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They did it ONCE, they’ll do it AGAIN – IF WE DON’T STOP THEM!

May 29, 2010

What made me doubtful two days ago is CLEAR enough today.

I know that I am touching on dangerous ground now but it won’t change anything for me.  When the goal is reaching for the truth only and it turns out to be politically incorrect,  so be it.

While discussing Thomas Carroll’s book and professors who recommended his pedophile opus (Richard Green and others) we touched upon homosexuality. This made me read a report from NARTH (the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) where I found the name of Richard Green again – as a colleague of Alfred Kinsey this time.

Alfred Kinsey

If you’ve seen “Twin Peaks” by the incredible David Lynch you’ll remember Lora Palmer’s criminal father played by actor Ray Wise, who is the exact replica of Dr. Alfred Kinsey.  How on earth could David Lynch know who was the main villain in real life too, I wonder?

actor Ray Wise

Everyone tells me that the findings of Alfred Kinsey laid the basis of the gay liberation movement and cannot be disputed as his research is unmistakably true …. Well, the recent studies say that A. Kinsey’s results (as well as methods of obtaining them) were highly questionable to say the very least, and their consequences were as disastrous for the society as those for Troya when the Trojan Horse destroyed this earlier unbeatable town from within.

Below you will find a top serious and honest research made by Jeffrey B. Satinover, M.D., Ph.D. called “The “Trojan Couch”: How the Mental Associations Misrepresent Science”.

This paper shows the easy method by which someone very powerful and someone very corrupt can change the whole society’s perception of its basic ethical values and with no regard for what REAL science has to say about it – and how they are currently attempting to do it again, this time in connection with pedophilia. Initially Michael’s vindication blog didn’t seem to be the right place for discussing the problem.  Now I think differently – it is exactly the place to do it.

Michael is probably IMPLORING US to protect children now that he cannot do it himself.

Due to his own painful childhood or whatever other reasons he had,  Michael Jackson was a person who felt the pain of each kid like his own and cried like a baby when he saw a child ill, hungry, suffering, being harmed, offended or even shouted at. Michael was a true and sincere supporter of children, someone who was ready to spend his last penny on their well-being and fight for those innocent little beings until his deathbed

Michael was the worst enemy of pedophiles as he was their EXACT OPPOSITE.

And they knew it.

Something had to be done about this highly popular man and the idea of the pedophile lobby was a truly devilish one:  make him look like one of THEM, hit him where it hurt him MOST and ridicule his very ESSENCE – love and compassion for children, and his true desire to make their life better. And when the idea is all ready and formed nothing can be easier than its implementaton. All you need is:

- a couple of close employees who will work in the ‘right’ direction (the porn genius Lemarque alone is more than enough for dropping whatever he likes at Neverland and giving his ‘damning’ evidence later of what he ‘sees’ or ‘finds’ there)

-  a couple of ‘victims’ rehearsing real pedophiles’ words for their imaginary molestation,

- a prosecutor who is given millions of dollars to go to the other end of the world in search for non-existent ‘witnesses’,

- articles written in every media outlet based on suspicions only which are stealthily and illegally leaked by the prosecution.

- nothing positive about Michael Jackson accepted for print by all publishing houses (Aphrodite Jones’ book was self-published as it was rejected by all publishers and Thomas Mesereau was approached by many but when he said he would prove Michael’s innocence there they all disappeared),

- but the same publishers’ arms wide open to those who are ready to tell ped-le lies about him (Ray Chandler, Victor Guttierrez, Thomas O’Carroll),

- copyright and other ridiculous law suits poured on Michael’s head one after another to make him lose the last of his remaining strength and money,

- public ridicule of each of his steps, independent of what he tried to do – close himself from the public eye or enter the limelight again to give some explanations. And lots and lots of other things too…

Well, one would more or less understand all this hue and cry if the society were morally impeccable as far as the subject of pedophilia is concerned.

But when you see WHAT these ‘professors’ are teaching their students (that everyone is a pedophile, that it is normal and that democracy and pedophilia go hand in hand), when you read of numerous REAL CRIMES committed against children by those on the top of the society and of the CRIMINAL RESEARCH made by Alfred Kinsey as the pioneer of the cause – what impeccable morals of the society can we talk about?

The society should either accept the idea and think it okay for everyone to do it, or it should reject the idea altogether and stigmatize it as revolting for anyone doing anything like that.

It is EITHER this OR that.

But in Michael’s case it is the terrible DISPROPORTION and bias towards HIM ONLY which immediately  attracts the attention of everyone who ever cares to look.

Yes, the biggest riddle of it all is WHY the media, public and prosecution created all this hue and cry around one innocent man and WHY they kept a near absolute silence around open pedophilia talk in ‘academic’ circles, books and journals and real crimes committed and covered up by the police, authorities and the media?

Michael was surely aware of this amazing riddle too. That is probably why he never expressed anything else but astonishment at all this injustice. That is why his only reaction to it was just to stop smiling forever

I am afraid that you will also stop smiling soon if you read what Jeffrey B. Satinover has to say on how academics falsified the scientific data they submitted for homosexuality discussion and how they are now doing the same for pedophilia.

Below is the short of the study I’ve mentioned earlier. The author is Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., Ph.D. in Psychiatry and Physics. He is Distinguished Adjunct Professor of Science and Mathematics, The King’s College, New York City and Visiting Scientist, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich. The present work reports on research conducted while teaching constitutional law in the department of politics at Princeton University and consulting to groups writing briefs in various state and federal Supreme Court cases.

No matter how you feel about homosexuality the study is exceptionally telling as to the way real science is misrepresented by groups of people whose number is (probably) limited but whose influence is (evidently) very powerful. They have once used their colossal power to change the perception of the whole population in respect of homosexuality and now they are doing the same with regard to pedophilia.

SEE HOW THEY DID IT THE FIRST TIME:

Jeffrey B.Satinover says:

“In every generation, on certain matters, a whole society— its experts, its most admired, respected, and trusted leaders and counselors — will adopt as authoritative a complete illusion.

Some of my psychiatric and psychological colleagues have claimed to the Supreme Court that the scientific data show that homosexuals form a “class” whose boundaries are defined by a stable “trait.” This presumption is false, yet the recent Supreme Court decisions pertaining to same-sex marriage have taken it for granted.

This paper reviews the history of the diagnostic change that in 1973 removed homosexuality as a formal disorder from the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), a change that many now accept as simply indisputable in spite of the fact that it was based wholly on fiction.

[It also] analyzes the psychiatric guilds’ massive misrepresentation of the scientific record in the Supreme Court’s Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans cases…”

Let us start with the year 1994. It was when a landmark study by Edward O.Laumann, John H. Gagnon, Robert T.Michael, and Stuart Michaels was published by the University of Chicago Press. The study is universally respected and is considered to be the key one in the research of homosexuality.

It states, “all the evidence points to the fact that homosexuality is not a “stable trait”. The authors found to their surprise that its instability over the course of life was one-directional: declining, and very significantly so. Homosexuality tended spontaneously to ‘convert’ into heterosexuality as a cohort of individuals aged – and this was true for both men and women.

So striking and unexpected was this finding that it led researchers all over the world in subsequent years to see if it was really true. Their research involved hundreds of thousands of people and strongly confirmed Laumann.

The findings of Laumann and colleagues are that the great majority of people (both men and women) are exclusively heterosexual throughout their lives. Only a small minority of people will ever consider themselves homosexual or have same-sex experiences, and of these most will eventually change and stop having such experiences.

The point is subtle and powerful, and addresses a confusing false symmetry that activists attempt to create between heterosexuality and homosexuality, as though they were somehow two equivalent poles or ends of a spectrum, the numerically minority status of one being an incidental and trivial fact.

In other words, the data illustrates “just how normative heterosexuality is,” even for homosexuals. Heterosexuality exerts a constant, normative pull throughout the life cycle upon everyone. Human physiology, including the physiology of the nervous system, is overwhelmingly sexually dimorphic, that is, heterosexual. It should come as no surprise that the brain self -organizes behavior in large measure in harmony with its own physiological ecology.”

However when presenting the scientific findings to the Supreme court in the Romer and Lawrence cases the gay lobbists “took care to argue that homosexuality is a stable trait, completely ignoring the major finding of Laumann. They argued that “once established, sexual orientation is resistant to change” and specifically, that “there is little evidence that treatment actually changes sexual attractions”.

The authors suggest that “conversion” therapy is actually harmful and that programs might even be needed to undo the harm.

In contrast, by the time of the Lawrence brief, [one of the champions of gay cause] Robert Spitzer had begun to suspect that homosexuality was in fact “not stable” and that the increasingly large number of claims of change he had been hearing might in many cases be true. Upon completion of a pilot study, he presented his findings privately to the Association of Gay and Lesbian Psychiatrists (a group within the American Psychiatric Association) expecting his results to be met with scientific objectivity.

As he told me, he was urged to suppress his findings on the grounds that, whether true or not, they would harm the civil rights of gays and lesbians. He later received a letter from Wayne Besen, then President of the Human Rights Campaign, warning him not to attempt to perform and publish a full –fledged study. As he wrote me: “the intimidation was in the form of telling me that if I did such a study I would be exposed as doing fraudulent research in front of my colleagues.”

In spite of Spitzer’s reputation as one of the most highly -regarded quantitative researchers and bio-statisticians in psychiatry and as the man who had shepherded homosexuality out of the DSM, he faced enormous difficulty in getting his study published.

Initially presented at the APA annual convention in May, 2001, the results were not published until November, 2003, but the journal of the very organization of which he was the chief editor refused its publication. It was a remarkable slap in the face for someone of his stature, and an indication of the astounding power of political correctness and lack of scientific integrity within the organization.

Considering the significance of the study, the numerous comments by eminent names in the field published with it, Spitzer’s eminence, and the care he took to approach the Gay and Lesbian interest groups within the APA before proceeding, it is truly remarkable that this study did not even merit a mention in the brief” [submitted to the Supreme Court].

In short, the major scientific findings were presented to the APA and the Supreme Court in a completely distorted way. The scientific lobby kept claiming that “sexual orientation” or “identity” was defined well enough to be meaningfully spoken of and in particular, used legally to establish homosexuals as a class, following a program laid out years before in a legal paper by Green (Richard Green?) .

The lobby claimed that homosexualism was completely normal, omitting the great differences found in the psychopathic behavior between homo and heterosexuals and keeping silent on the fact that the rate of homosexuals placed in psychiatric hospitals was 5 times as high as that of heterosexuals.

In their briefs to the APA and the Supreme Court they didn’t mention a higher degree of alchogolism among lesbian females and suicide attempts among homosexual males. None of these and other facts were reported to the American Psychiatric Association and the APA consequently ruled to remove homosexuality from its Manual of Mental Disorders as a phychiatric illness. Since then it has been considered normal, publicly accepted and (by some) even fashionable …

SEE HOW THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN:

In 1997  the American Psychiatric Association made a subtle change in how it diagnosed all the ‘paraphilias’ (the new term which stands for ‘deviations’ like sadomasochism, pedophilia and fetishism) in its revised edition of the Diagnostic Manual. Now it said that such diagnoses would apply only if the activities in question caused distress to the individual himself (and if it didn’t?)

By 2002 the sexology community was fiercly debating whether all the ‘parahphilias’ should be removed from the Diagnostic Manual and the American Psychiatric Association had published an article arguing that pedophilia was not harmful.

In 2003 the APA held a symposium debating the removal of the ‘paraphilias’, pedophilia included, from the Diagnostic Manual, on the same grounds as homosexuality had been removed.

The group lobbing those interests refers to the works of Alfred Kinsley and to a cluster of less well-known individuals in the field of sex research more or less closely associated with him and his ideas: John Money, Wardell Pomeroy, Paul Gebhard, John De Cecco, and  - attention please – Richard Green (who is friend #4 of pedophile Thomas O’Carroll whose book he is now recommending).

Jeffrey B.Satinover characterizes the group as follows:

These researchers have been engaged in a thirty-year process of using the mental health guilds to subvert fundamental societal standards. In particular, many have a long history of advocating the casting aside on principle – the same principle by which homosexuality was removed from the DSM [Diagnostic Manual] – traditional restrictions not only on homosexuality, but on pedophilia, sado-masochism, incest, and bestiality.

The ROMER brief on the basis of which crucial political gay-oriented decisions were made refers to the Kinsley group as an authority on sexual orientation as if unaware of the fact that the all-conclusive study by Laumann mentioned earlier “gives an extensive, utterly damaging critique of Kinsey’s research”.

Kinsey’s colleague: RICHARD GREEN

 

Richard Green

The brief cites three articles by Richard Green where he asserts that “growing research evidence exists for an innate origin of homosexuality.” Jeffrey Satinover says about it:

  • But the statement is false. Evidence of any kind was then sparse, but all evidence as of the date he wrote was consistent with the opposite conclusion. Since then, evidence has grown more robust and contrary to the “it’s genetic” claim with every passing year. Byne and Parsons flatly state: “Critical review shows the evidence favoring a biologic theory to be lacking.

So several decades ago Dr. Richard Green claimed that homosexuality was natural as it is an in-born trait, and now he asserts practically the same as regards pedophilia? You remember he said that pedophilia should not be considered a mental illness (and should consequently be looked upon as a normal state of mind (?)

Here are the reasons he gives to support his point of view:

  • Distress. One of the criteria for mental illness is subjective distress – and, Green notes, many pedophiles are not distressed about their attractions at all–except, he notes, about being the possibility of being jailed. In fact, “some celebrate their interests, organize politically, and publish magazines or books.”
  • Disability. Considering another marker of illness, “disability,” Green says, psychiatry must not let itself be locked into the narrow definition of disability currently dictated by our culture. When we broaden our view to consider other cultures over time, Green explains, we see that many African tribes and even the ancient Greeks considered man-boy pedophilia to be a helpful rite-of-passage into manhood.
  • Animal Behavior. Looking at normality from the perspective of our animal relatives, Dr. Green looks at a close genetic relative, the pygmy chimp, or bonobo. Studies show that the bonobo has erotic contact with babies of its own species. And that behavior isn’t likely harmful to the babies, Green says, because it’s the babies themselves that often initiate the sex play.
  • Frequency of Occurrence. Green says that contrary to popular myth, pedophile attractions aren’t even especially unusual. Studies prove that many so-called “normal” men with conventional sexual interests can, in fact, be sexually aroused in a laboratory setting when they are shown erotic photos of little girls.
  • Is the pedophile a dysfunctional person? No, Green says; in truth, there appear to be quite a number of “highly skilled pedophiles” – in fact, even some beloved public figures–so a simple explanation of “social inadequacy” doesn’t explain their psychological condition.

Taken together, Green says, these findings converge on the conclusion that pedophilia is not a mental disorder – at least “not unless we declare a lot of people in many cultures and in much of the past to be mentally ill.”

Source: http://www.narth.com/docs/debate2.html

Another Kinsey’s colleague: JOHN MONEY

John Money (1921-2006)

John Money, referenced three times in Romer brief, was the director of the now defunct “Psychohormonal Research Unit” of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and perhaps the world’s most effective promoter of “transsexuality” and transsexual surgery.

Although Hopkins was once one of the major centers in the world for such surgery, the university abandoned it in 1979, having had the most—and therefore worst—experience with it.

Writing in First Things, Paul McHugh, Chairman of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, noted that scientific studies convinced him and his colleagues:

  • … “I have witnessed a great deal of damage from sex -reassignment. The children transformed from their male constitution into female roles suffered prolonged distress and misery as they sensed their natural attitudes….We have wasted scientific and technical resources and damaged our professional credibility by collaborating with madness rather than trying to study, cure, and ultimately prevent it.”

Another Kinsey’s Colleague: WARDELL POMEROY

 

Alfred Kinsey with his assistants Wardell Pomeroy and Clyde Martin

One of Kinsey’s co-authors, (and one of his numerous lovers as were all Kinsey’s male colleagues) referenced with him, was Wardell B. Pomeroy, who had served on the 1973 Nomenclature [Homosexuality] Task Force. In his book Boys and Sex: Wardell B. Pomeroy Co –author of the Kinsey Reports, he writes that:

  • “… having sex with the male animal,… whether it is a dog, horse, bull or some other species, may provide considerable erotic excitement for the boy…Psychically, animal relations may become of considerable significance to the boy who is having regular experience…[ and] in no point basically different from those that are involved in erotic responses to human situations…”

 

Wardell Pomeroy, a prison psychologist for the state of Indiana, joins Kinsey's reseach staff in 1943

In Variations magazine, Pomeroy offers this advice:

  • “We find many beautiful and mutually satisfying [sexual] relationships between fathers and daughters. These may be transient or ongoing, but they have no harmful effects … Incest between adults and younger children can also prove to be a satisfying and enriching experience … When there is a mutual and unselfish concern for the other person, rather than a feeling of possessiveness and a selfish concern with one’s own sexual gratification, then incestuous relationships can and do work out well. Incest can be a satisfying, non-threatening, and even an enriching emotional experience, as I said earlier”.

Another Kinsey’s Colleague: PAUL GEBHARD

 

Paul Gebhard

The authors of the amicus brief likewise reference Kinsey’s other co -author, Paul Gebhard, another member of the NIMH Homosexuality Task Force, and a presenter at the crucial Nomenclature Committee meeting in 1973. He is also a co-founder of SIECUS and Planned Parenthood, and a former head of the Kinsey Institute.

The following is from a transcript of a taped phone conversation in 1992 between Gebhard and J. Gordon Muir, editor of Judith Riesman’s “Kinsey, Sex and Fraud”, about the report in the “Male volume” (table 34) [one of Alfred Kinsey’s major works] supposedly demonstrating multiple orgasms in

Paul Gebhard. Look at this jovial old man...

children and infants as young as six months old. The question as to how this “data” was obtained has been a subject of intense secrecy. Nonetheless:

Muir: “So, do pedophiles normally go around with stopwatches?”

Gebhard: “Ah, they do if we tell them we’re interested in it!”

Muir: “And clearly, [the orgasms of] at least 188 children were timed with a stopwatch, according to….”

Gebhard: “So, second hand or stopwatch . OK, well, that’s, ah, you refreshed my memory. I had no idea that there were that many.”

Muir: “These experiments by pedophiles on children were presumably illegal.”

Gebhard: “Oh yes.”

Another Kinsey’s Colleague: JOHN DeCECCO

John De Cecco, who teaches at San Francisco State University, is Editor of the Journal of Homosexuality, whose articles are often referenced in these briefs as though it were a dispassionately scientific journal with reasonable standards of peer -review. It is tendentious, politicized, and self-referential.

But, more importantly, De Cecco is a board member of Paedika: The Journal of Paedophilia. In a “Statement of Purpose” published in the journal’s first issue, the editors wrote:

  • “The starting point of Paedika is necessarily our consciousness of ourselves as paedophiles. … we understand [paedophilia] to be consensual intergenerational sexual relationships …Through publication of scholarly studies, thoroughly documented and carefully reasoned, we intend to demonstrate that paedophilia has been , and remains, a legitimate and productive part of the totality of human experience.”

De Cecco also was editor of Journal of Homosexuality’s special 1990 issue devoted to the “debate” over the relationship of homosexuality and pedophilia.

This “debate” focuses on two major questions:

  • First, are male homosexuality and paedophilia intrinsically related phenomena, albeit in any given individual they may be differentiated in varying measure, or are they essentially unrelated, even though it is clear that they overlap to a degree that cannot be coincidental?
  • Second, as a matter independent of the first question, is it wise for “the movement” to acknowledge the relationship or overlap between pedophilia and homosexuality, and to seek rights for pedophiles (based on “orientation”) similar to those that have been won for homosexuals, or would it be damaging to the gay rights movement to do so, even if it is ultimately the proper thing to do?

Source: http://www.narth.com/docs/TheTrojanCouchSatinover.pdf

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All of the above is so taletelling that Jeffrey R.Satinover left all those revelations with no comment and I will follow his example, hoping that this information will answer some of your earlier questions.

The only thing we are lacking now is some data about their teacher Alfred Kinsley. So here it is:

 

Alfred Kinsey is quoted even by NAMBLA

ALFRED CHARLES KINSEY (1894 – 1956) was an American biologist and professor of entomology and zoology, who in 1947 founded the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University, now known as the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction (NB: no matter what we’ll learn about Kinsey it should not be attributed to the present staff of this Institute).

Kinsey’s sex research went beyond theory and interview and included observation of and participation in sexual activity, including homosexual activity, with his co-workers and others. He justified this as being necessary to gain the confidence of his research subjects; Kinsey filmed sexual acts which included co-workers in the attic of his home as part of his research.

Kinsey wrote about pre-adolescent orgasms using data (documented in tables 30 to 34 of his “Sexual behavior in a human male’) which report observations of orgasms in over three-hundred children between the ages of five months and fourteen years. This information was said to have come from adults’ childhood memories, or from parent or teacher observation.

Kinsey said he also interviewed nine men who had sexual experiences with children, and who told him about the children’s responses and reactions. Little attention was paid to this part of Kinsey’s research at the time, and nearly 40 years later where Kinsey had gained this information began to be questioned. It was later revealed that Kinsey used data from a paedophile and presented it as being from various sources.

Dr. Judith Reisman, President of the Institute for Media Education wrote a series of books about Kinsey (“Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences in 1998”, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud,   The Kinsey coverup and others).

This is what she says:

  • “The Yorkshire documentary, entitled Secret History: Kinsey’s Pedophiles, was broadcast in Great Britain on August 10, 1998.
  • In a review, England’s BBC Radio Times wrote that “this deeply unsettling documentary… makes a strong case that Kinsey cultivated [pedophiles whose crimes] he presented as scientific data.”
  • London’s Daily Mail for August 11, 1998, agreed: “An academic study admitted the… repugnant… evidence of a child abuser as though this were a respectable scientific contribution.”
  • “Paul Gebhard, Kinsey’s co-author, frankly admitted that Kinsey researchers interviewed pedophiles, and declined to report them to police. “‛An example of criminality is our refusal to cooperate with authorities in apprehending a pedophile we had interviewed who was being sought for a sex murder,’ Gebhard told an interviewer.. It was illegal and we knew it was illegal and that’s why a lot of people are furious… they say we should have turned him in instantly… If we had turned him in it would have been the end of our research”.

You can read the rest yourselves – if you CAN, of course (I hardly could):
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/chapter7.pdf

Here is a video called KINSEY COVER-UP explaining some of Kinsey’s “methods of research”. Prof. Judith Reisman makes her comments on them:

Kinsey’s corresponded with Dr. Friedrich Karl Hugo Viktor von Balluseck, a Nazi who was in charge of a small Polish town during World War II. Von Balluseck, according to testimony during his 1957 trial for a child sex murder, molested boys and girls from 1927 to 1957.

As reported by the Franfurter Allegemeine Zeitung on May 22, 1957:

  • “Dr. Balluseck…[recorded measurements] of his crimes committed against children between 9 and 14 years old … in four thick diaries … of a pseudo-scientific character … while in correspondence with the American sexual researcher Kinsey … about his research, which as he said himself, took place over three decades.”

Another German newspaper, the Berliner Zeitung, reported on May 16, 1957:

  • “Kinsey had asked the paedophile specifically for material of his perverse actions. The presiding judge, Dr. [Heinrich] Berger, noted that it was Kinsey’s duty to get Balluseck locked up, instead of corresponding with him.”

Source: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/6112/CWA/family/index.htm

And this video tells us about the many years of cooperation between Kinsey and a pedophile named Green. It is almost impossible to watch:

So why did the society keep complete silence about hundreds of pedophilic experiments made on real children by the criminal Alfred Kinsey and his younger assistants who lived up to the 21st century as respectable scientists?

Why did they prefer to pick on an innocent man instead?

Probably because they wanted to divert our attention from real ped-le crimes committed right behind our backs?

30 Comments leave one →
  1. sanemjfan permalink
    May 4, 2012 8:37 am

    While it’s unfortunatel that there are professors who support Carl Toms’ book, there are many, many professors who also support MJ and are trying to spread the truth about him. Here is an academic essay on MJ called “The Roots and Routes of Michael Jackson’s Global Identity”. It’s not too long (only 6 pages), but it’s an excellent read!

    http://uci.academia.edu/SylviaJMartin/Papers/1557649/The_Roots_and_Routes_of_Michael_Jacksons_Global_Identity

    Also, here is the Twitlonger I wrote a few months ago about my meeting with Prof. Martha Gallien, who was interviewed by William Wagener, and is making her students read “MJ Conspiracy”:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gmh4du

  2. August 25, 2011 8:49 am

    @David

    Unbelievable! It just amazes me how these so called “dr’s”, “professors” and whatnots go unchecked. This is the kind of stuff those talking heads on tv need to be throwing a fit over, but nope they don’t want to do that. Would be great if someone with high media platform would expose the crap out of this twisted propaganda.

  3. lcpledwards permalink
    August 25, 2011 7:28 am

    Well, well, well, look what we have here! They’re baaaaacccckkkk! There is a group of shrinks known as B4U-ACT who want to “normalize” p..philia! Here is a quote from the article:

    Several speakers at the August 17 conference, including B4U-ACT director of operations Dr. Richard Kramer and conference keynote speaker Dr. Fred Berlin, of the Johns Hopkins University, have actively opposed sex offender notification laws.

    “What purpose does calling someone a ‘pervert’ or ‘predator’ serve anyway, other than to express contempt and hatred?” Kramer wrote in a March 14, 2009 blog entry on the website ReformSexOffenderLaws.org. “How is this productive? It certainly doesn’t protect children. I would urge all SO [sex offender] activists to listen to their own message: Stop buying into and promoting false stereotypes. Stop demonizing a whole class of people, and start learning the facts.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/

    Absolutely disgusting.

  4. lcpledwards permalink
    February 28, 2011 12:06 pm

    @ Olga
    I think Dial was referring to the MJ hater’s post, not ours.

    @ Dial
    Thanks for the words of wisdom! I’m very knowledgeable about all of the tricks haters use, and I’ll be on the lookout once I start reading it!

  5. February 28, 2011 11:57 am

    Dial, I don’t know where this post you quoted came from but MJ didn’t tour in 2002-2003

  6. Dialdancer permalink
    February 28, 2011 10:28 am

    “are you really going to do that? You know that this guy’s goal in that book is to prove that MJ was a pedophile and he is probably using every possible theory to achive that. Good luck with that.I hope you have a strong stomach.”

    David will not need a strong stomach if my hunch is correct and that hunch comes from having spent several months doing battle with one of Tom’s devotees and an advocate of this book on another site. What he will need is to be seduction proof. From what I gathered the book is written to intrigue the intellectual. We actually had a supporter begin to email and converse with this devotee who may in fact have been Toms although the name used was given as the alter ego for a CSU professor.

    An except from his previous post:
    “I forget the name of the tour, but it was in 2002-3, the one he wanted Jordie to accompany him on and which caused the rift between him and his father, leading Evan to bring the case. I find the account credible, and have seen nothing that refutes it. Have you?”

    @ David,

    Do not be deceived by the obvious mistake of the 02-03 tour. The people who wrote this book know Michael’s history very well and have tailored it to fit their book. I also suspect that they/he like many others lurk picking up information on sites such as this to adjust their tale to make it read as factual.

    This person who came to a Michael Jackson site claiming great admiration came at first with the kind of Tabloid stories only found in R.C’s response to the 8th subpoena then he subtly shifted gears. This person had read A. Jones’ book in early 2007 and praised it so the act of ignorance was just that an attempt to lull.

  7. Dialdancer permalink
    February 27, 2011 9:06 am

    Alison said:

    “Why is the FBI, the American Government and those who govern the research Ethics Boards not investigating and stopping this?? What or who is preventing this from happening?”

    Because at the moment nothing “illegal” is happening. They are using laws just as the Media uses the First Amendment to commit atrocities that it was never meant to protect.

  8. Alison permalink
    February 27, 2011 2:08 am

    OMG Helena, I haven’t looked at the videos, cannot bring myself to do so, but the Big question is – why is the FBI, the American Government and those who govern the research Ethics Boards not investigating and stopping this?? What or who is preventing this from happening? I agree its not directly related to vindicating Michael but its important nonetheless because its being ignored and should be stopped and because of your question – why did they go after an innocent man yet ignore what is happening openly? I would say we should make Obama aware but i suppose he has his hands full at present and this info would not reach him at the moment.

  9. Carm permalink
    February 26, 2011 8:00 pm

    @Michael Moore
    Are youTHE Michael Moore? If so, we could certainly use your help!

  10. February 26, 2011 11:03 am

    “To me the most shocking discovery of all is this fact about how wide-spread p-lia is in the society, and how the ‘academia’ and a part of the media advocates it. And that painting MJ a p-le was a p-le plot and that while he was humiliated beyond belief, real p-les get a pat on the back from the media and haters! I wish some investigative journalist would go after it one day – including the Victor Gutierrez connection and would expose it all what Michael really was a victim of!”

    Guys, I am sorry but since yesterday I cannot think of anything else but ped-lia again. A year ago we discussed this problem in connection with Carl Tom’s book and were recently reminded of it by David’s bold purchase – so I just returned to the post “They’ll do it again if we don’t stop them” to update it and in the process found several videos which made me absolutely sick at heart.

    They show that the highly respected Alfred Kinsley was involved in hundreds or probably thousands of criminal ped-le experiments on children ranging from 5 months to 14 years “for the sake of science”.

    The idea was to find out whether sexuality is inherent to human beings since early childhood and in order to prove the theory at least two serial ped-les sexually abused hundreds of children for years. This was done practically under Kinsley’s guidance who trained them how to record their results and use chronometers to register how long the orgasm lasted (even with infants, OMG!).

    Kinsley published the results in his book which created a revolution at the time and opened – among other issues – further research of children’s ability to “enjoy sex”. This “research” is still being done by Kinsley’s followers, professors of esteemed universities and is being openly discussed in Paedika journal edited by Kinsley’s former assistant John DeCecco.

    For some reason no one asked how Kinsey’s initial “scientific data” were obtained, and questions have begun to be asked only now. This is what those videos are all about.

    If anyone wants to see them please make sure first that you have the stamina to do so (they made me physically ill).

    I am really hesitant whether this problem should be raised again. It seems to be standing apart from the need to vindicate Michael, but the thought that they chose to pick on an innocent man while all this time some learned academics openly carried out their ped-le experiments makes me think that someone used Michael’s innocent name for distracting public attention from the real problem and what real ped-le groups were doing behind everyone’s back.

    The need to keep an eye on those “academics” and their desire to erode human ethics further also arises from the fact that Michael was indeed very much concerned about the future of children – and if we call ourselves his followers, it is a sort of our duty to shield children from the dangers of ped-lia. In fact it makes us natural defenders of children and their innocence which is endangered now from totally unexpected quarters – the so-called “academic circles” which claim that ped-lia is normal, inherent to every human being and has been practiced for thousands of years.

    Just one quote before you watch the videos (if you can of course):

    “The homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as “prophets” of sexual freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: “We must listen to our prophets. Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We must do it for the children’s sake.”

    The book, “Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives” edited by pedophile Edward Brongersma, openly promotes pedophilia. It was first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University. DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.’ http://www.defendingthetruth.com/topic/328-very-interesting-a-must-read/

    DeCecco is a former associate of Kinsey.

    Kinsey COVER-UP:

    Kinsey’s pedophiles:

    I understand that it is impossible even to talk about it – we will all have a nervous breakdown if we do – that is why the only thing I suggest is keeping an eye on these “academics” and the discussion of these problems which will eventually surface one way or the other…

  11. Suzy permalink
    February 26, 2011 6:49 am

    Oops. Last one was me, Suzy.

  12. February 26, 2011 6:47 am

    I agree guys.

    To me the most shocking discovery of all is this fact about how wide-spread p-lia is in the society, and how the ‘academia’ and a part of the media advocates it. And that painting MJ a p-le was a p-le plot and that while he was humiliated beyond belief, real p-les get a pat on the back from the media and haters! I wish some investigative journalist would go after it one day – including the Victor Gutierrez connection and would expose it all what Michael really was a victim of!

  13. February 25, 2011 7:49 pm

    The study is very disconcerting, to say the least. ..Now that the academics plan to clearly subvert the ethics of society to justify molestation is outrageous and should be stopped!

    Michael Moore, thank you for reminding us of this post.

    The scientific study you’re talking about is indeed an eye-opening one (especially when you read it in full as I did). But I would also want to draw your attention to the pedophilic crimes committed by the highly respected “pillar of psychiatry” Dr. Kinsley and his colleagues which are described in that post.

    And this is the most surprising thing of all. While they are screaming about non-existent Michael Jackson’s “crimes” the society is keeping full silence on the pedophilic experiments these “scientists” conducted on hundreds of real children.

    Quote from that post:

    The biggest riddle of it all is WHY the media, public and prosecution created all this hue and cry around one innocent man and WHY they keep absolute silence around open pedophilia talk in ‘academic’ circles, books and journals and real crimes committed and covered up by the police, authorities and the media?

    When you see WHAT these ‘professors’ are teaching their students (that everyone is a pedophile, that it is normal and that democracy and pedophilia go hand in hand), when you read of numerous REAL CRIMES committed against children by those on the top of the society and of the CRIMINAL RESEARCH made by Alfred Kinsey as the pioneer of the cause – what impeccable morals of the society can we talk about?

    The society should either accept the idea and think it okay for everyone to do it, or it should reject the idea altogether and stigmatize it as revolting for anyone doing anything like that.

    It is EITHER this OR that. But in Michael’s case it is the terrible disproportion and bias towards HIM ONLY which immediately attracts the attention of everyone who ever cares to look….

  14. Michael Moore permalink
    February 25, 2011 5:48 pm

    The study is very disconcerting, to say the least. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality itself, and it was rightly dropped as a mental disorder. But the fact that much of the whole picture was faked to get the end result is very disillusioning. Surly, being gay could easily be accepted even with the warts and all image laid bare to everyone. But now that the academics plan to clearly subvert the ethics of society to justify molestation is outrageous and should be stopped!

  15. Alison permalink
    February 24, 2011 7:03 pm

    @ David,
    well i know you do, that wasn’t really a question, i was really only offering to help.

  16. February 24, 2011 10:24 am

    “I was intrigued at the amount of research that went into writing this book, which consists of almost 600 pages! There are 921 references cited, so this guy definitely did his homework”.

    David, Tom O’Carroll had a lot of free time to do his homework as part of the book was written when he was serving a term in prison for keeping child porn (and probably his other ped-le activities which he freely admits in all his writings).

    I wish you purity and God’s help while you are struggling through all that dirt.

  17. February 24, 2011 9:38 am

    “There’s nothing that they can say that I haven’t already heard before, so my rhinoceros skin can surely handle it!”

    Well, David, you are indeed a sacrificial lamb who has voluntarily subjected himself to this ordeal. But someone on our side should do it, otherwise they will always feel free to say whatever they like, knowing that everyone else will be too disgusted ever to check.

    David, can I ask you to pay attention to the language of Tom O’Carroll? I have reasons to believe that one of the people operating in the Internet under a different name now may be actually him.

  18. lcpledwards permalink
    February 24, 2011 1:11 am

    @ Alison
    Of course I do! All of us have to use reference materials for our posts! Otherwise, they wouldn’t be as detailed as they are! I usually include links to the articles I reference inside of my posts.

    As for Carl Toms, this book must have been years in the making! He has articles going back to the 80’s! I’m actually pretty excited about reading this, as weird as that may sound, because I like learning how haters think. There’s nothing that they can say that I haven’t already heard before, so my rhinoceros skin can surely handle it!

  19. Alison permalink
    February 23, 2011 6:50 pm

    @ David,

    Well, don’t feel you have to continue with it all if it feels too much. do you normally look up the references too? do you want to share any of them out?

  20. ares permalink
    February 23, 2011 3:16 am

    @david
    are you really going to do that? You know that this guy’s goal in that book is to prove that MJ was a pedophile and he is probably using every possible theory to achive that.Good luck with that.I hope you have a strong stomach.

  21. lcpledwards permalink
    February 23, 2011 2:24 am

    Sorry guys, I have something very shameful that I did, and I’m here to confess to everyone what I did!

    First let me take a deep breath…………inhale…………….exhale…………………………OK, here it goes…………………

    I bought “Michael Jackson’s Dangerous Liaisons” by Carl Toms!

    I’m sorry, but I couldn’t resist the temptation! After finding out that our adversary was using this book for her research, I wanted to know what exactly was in this book that made it so interesting to her. I know about the general synopsis of what this book represents, but I was intrigued at the amount of research that went into writing this book, which consists of almost 600 pages! There are 921 references cited, so this guy definitely did his homework.

    I’m always more excited about reading anti-MJ books than I am pro-MJ books because you can learn the techniques that haters use against MJ, and then effectively refute it. That’s why the first 3 books I read about MJ when I started my research were All That Glitters, Be Careful Who You Love, and Unmasked. In order to effectively defend MJ, you must know the weaknesses of the arguments that haters use.

    And that’s my rational for giving in and buying this smut. Amazon had one copy available at a reasonable price, so I had to snatch it up before it was sold out. The remaining copies were being sold at astronomical prices. It will take me a few months to read this, and I may do a post on this book later this year, if there is enough demand for it. Unlike the aforementioned books, this book is not in wide circulation, so there isn’t much access to it, so there isn’t an urgent need to refute it.

    I guess I’ll have to be the sacrificial lamb for the fan community and read this trash! Wish me luck!

    On a happier note, I added this site to the blogroll: it is CBS News’ summary of all of the witnesses that testified during the trial, and it’s easier to navigate through than the one listed on MJ Upbeat, although it’s not as detailed. It’s compiled by the date, and lists the person or people who testified that day. This is perfect for when you want to know when someone testified, and what they said, and you need to find it quickly. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2005/03/03/in_depth_showbiz/whoswho677925.shtml

  22. Hayat permalink
    July 25, 2010 5:08 pm

    I’m getting sick. How is it that these ‘scientists’ and ‘doctors’ get away with saying that kind of .. of revolting stuff? I don’t know what to say, really, I’m appalled!! I didn’t even read the whole thing… Sex with animals – normal???

    “• Children are sexual and potentially orgasmic from birth, are unharmed by incest, adult/child sex, and often benefit thereby.
    • There is no medical or other reason for adult-child sex or incest to be forbidden.
    • All forms of sodomy are natural and healthy.”

    That first thing: unharmed by incest – adult/child sex and benefit thereby???????
    No medical reason for adult child sex or incest to be forbidden????
    All forms of sodomy are natural and healthy?

    Sick. Really I feel sick.

    I hope those predators and delusional sick perverted beasts will get the worst kind of punishment that God Has in store for them…

    In this life and the next!!!!

  23. June 1, 2010 5:44 pm

    It seems that the information about them is all over the internet for everyone to see – only no one notices it for some reason. The easy way we are uncovering this world gang of pedophiles would be really funny, if it were not that tragic – it is the future of our children and grandchildren which is at stake.
    Just imagine them living side by side with all those smooth-talking hyenas sniffing around…

  24. Suzy permalink
    June 1, 2010 9:57 am

    What about politicians? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit#Allegations_of_paedophilia

    And this guy is in the European Parliament. I wonder if there are more.

  25. May 31, 2010 9:26 pm

    It seems that those guys didn’t even need any conspiracy. The correct word would probably be ‘fighting for the civil rights’ of these people.

    Do you remember what happened to Robert Spitzer who presented the gay/lesbian community with his findings about homosexuality not being a stable trait? He was urged to suppress the findings – because WHETHER TRUE OR NOT ‘they would harm the civil rights of gays and lesbians’.

    So astounding was the power of political correctness and lack of scientific integrity that the scientist could not publish his work from May 2001 to November 2003 (for 2 and a half years) in the journal where he was the chief editor!

    This reminds me very much of the situation with Aphrodite Jones when she took here Conspiracy book about Michael to various publishers – but as soon as they heard that it was ‘positive’ about Michael Jackson they said they were not taking it NO MATTER WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR NOT. So a negative lie was much more welcome to them than the positive truth…

    The same thing happened to Thomas Mesereau who was approached after the trial by various publishers for a book about Michael, but when he said he would justify him there all the offers were quickly withdrawn.

    This can’t be a mere coincidence. There is evidently a pattern here.

  26. "Pixie Dust" permalink
    May 31, 2010 9:05 pm

    I whole heartly agree with Susy,these type of people have to be stopped.

  27. Suzy permalink
    May 31, 2010 4:08 pm

    I was someone who used to laugh off “conspiracy theories”, but I’m not so quick to dismiss them any more. It seems there’s more in everything than what first meets the eye. And indeed: what would stop the powerful and influential to use the media to manipulate, deceive the masses or to give them “circus” (ie. tabloid, artificial scandals etc.) so that they won’t deal with meaningful and important things? Like checking out what is going on in the Academia and certain Institutions….

    Michael’s trial was such a “circus” for the masses, while the real pedophiles are sitting in the Universities and teaching our children, and slowly but surely erode the society’s moral resistance. And you don’t hear much about that in the media! If only they would concentrate as much effort on reporting on these things and bring them to people’s attention as they concentrated on bringing down Michael Jackson.

  28. May 31, 2010 2:53 pm

    Suzy, I’ve just updated the post. It seems to me that the jigsaw puzzle is coming together at last.

    Up till now we’ve been looking at details only – Tom Sneddon’s and Diane Dimond’s zeal, strange witnesses like Lemarque (who for some time worked as a children’s entertainer at Neverland, but later turned out to be the host of the dirtiest porno site), the Arvizo nonsense family, pedophile Thomas O’Carroll speaking freely and his book recommended by university professors and 3 months before its release too and many other things which seemed strange when taken SEPARATELY.

    If my guess is correct and if a pedophile lobby is standing behind all that, the whole picture becomes much clearer now.

    It seems that it is exactly Michael’s supporters who should resist this lobby and save children from moral and physical corruption which will be inevitable in case the people who fought Michael will take the upper hand.

  29. Suzy permalink
    May 31, 2010 1:20 pm

    Helena, you are fantastic! Thank you for this enlightening and profound research once again! After reading previous posts on this blog I shouldn’t be surprised by anything any more, but it’s still shocking! So there are people who call themselves academists, scientists and advocate – besides pedophilia – incest and sex with animals? Wow. And did these people ever get investigated or punished for what they are doing?

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