Fact Checking Diane Dimond’s Lies from TruTV’s “In Session”

Look who she has hanging on her wall! I bet she has a photo of MJ taped to her ceiling above her bed!
On Friday, September 16th,2011 Tru TV’s legal orientated show “In Session” aired a round table discussion on Michael Jackson’s life, legacy, and upcoming trial. It was hosted by Ryan Smith, and consisted of Steve Manning (one of MJ’s former publicists), Mike Garcia (one of three of MJ’s former bodyguards, who was scheduled to help write a book, but, according to their Facebook page, is no longer associated with that project), Anthony DeCurtis (contributing editor for Rolling Stone), and the notorious Diane Dimond, who replaced author Joe Vogel at the last minute!
The one-hour discussion was divided into different segments and shown throughout the day 8am through 3pm CST. I was fortunate to record all of it on my DVR, and after watching it I was so disgusted by Dimond’s lies that I decided to transcribe the segment on – you guessed it! – the allegations, and refute them right here in a new post!
I also have to admit that I was disappointed –not disgusted, but disappointed – in the performance of Mike Garcia and Steve Manning. Although they made a valiant effort, they came up short in providing a cogent, effective rebuttal to Dimond’s lies. Instead of providing cold, hard facts, they relied on such weak defenses as “Michael was a kid himself!”, “He was such a nice, sweet person!”, “He never harmed his own kids!”, “Evan Chandler killed himself, so that proves he was lying!”, “Jordan Chandler admitted he lied on the internet!”, etc. Dimond immediately countered all of their claims, and by doing so was able to insinuate that MJ was guilty. And I have to give it to her, she never explicitly said MJ was guilty, or was a p…, but she didn’t make the case for his innocence either! She gave the appearance of being “fair and balanced”, which gives her credibility with less-knowledgeable viewers, who unfortunately are the majority of the viewers! To use her words, this tactic is her effective “subterfuge”!
With no further ado, here is the transcript of that segment, along with the video of the entire session!
Ryan Smith: What was it like at Neverland Ranch? Was it a place of fantasy? Tell me what it was like at Neverland.
Steve Manning: I would say it’s a place of pure fantasy. At first I went there was around 10 years ago, when I went there with Jermaine, his wife, and his kids, and I was astonished! I said “My gosh!” It was something to behold, especially as a black man, to see another black man own this type of property, it was unbelievable! I mean, he had a 5,000 square foot French chalet for movies to watch. It was just tremendous! He had these private cottages on the lake. It was something to see; it was a true luxury. It was a 10-star hotel.
Mike Garcia: I think he was able to actually walk around and just be himself.
Steve Manning: And he loved inviting fans, and people………speaking of molestation charges, there was a bed that he had inside the movie theater, inside the booth where the projections were, and people said that he used that bed for children, and that was so insulting, so outrageous! It was for kids who were terminally ill! (In a mocking voice) “What’s that bed doing in there?!!” It was a king size bed for kids in their dying days from the Make-A-Wish foundation could come there, lay down, and watch a movie there. But it was something that he was very happy about.
Ryan Smith: There was talk that there were secret rooms inside Neverland Ranch. There was a lot of speculation, especially when the molestation charges came up, that those rooms were dubious, in certain ways.
Mike Garcia: I think that’s the media kinda twisting it.
Diane Dimond: I’ll tell you what, the secret room of Michael Jackson’s, in the bedroom, used to be a fur vault for the woman who lived there before. He made a bedroom out of it, and each step going down there was a little doll on each step.
What was Neverland like? I don’t know, because I was never there. I’ve seen lots of pictures, lots of video of it, and it was opulent and beautiful! Tudor style mansion, gorgeous! I will tell you what they said at the criminal trial: they said it was a child magnet! It was a beautiful place with swimming pools, and slides, and a movie theater…………
Steve Manning: I disagree! That’s outrageous!
Diane Dimond: And that’s what they said at the trial!
At this point, Dimond’s face turns red as she angrily turns to Steve Manning, and chastises him for interrupting her!
Diane Dimond: You know what? I don’t interrupt you!
Steve Manning: Ok, I’m sorry!
Mike Garcia: I’ll say, in security terms, a lot of people do have those rooms because we call them panic rooms.
Ryan Smith: Ok, first Diane, I want you to finish your point about “their saying this at the trial”
Diane Dimond: That’s not ME saying it……
Steve Manning: Oh ok, alright.
Diane Dimond: I know it’s hard to hear me Steve because I’m talking over this way.
I don’t know what Neverland is like because I never got inside, but I did see a lot of video, at the trial. I did see lots of pictures, and layouts, and diagrams; it’s beautiful! It’s a sanctuary! But, I also remember at the criminal trial the prosecution said “it was a child’s magnet”. It had swimming pools, and movie theaters with all the popcorn and candy you can eat, it had its own amusement park with a petting zoo, and giraffes, and Ferris wheels. If that was Michael Jackson reliving his own childhood, that’s one thing, but that’s not what we heard at the criminal trial.
Ryan Smith: Now Steve, talk to me about that, because the question so many people would ask when they would talk about Neverland is “Why are so many children there?” Why was he around so many children?
Steve Manning: Because he thought children were innocent, and they were innocent, and childlike. And again, there were adults there. I’ve been there maybe 28 occasions at the ranch, and always had a good time. There were adults there also. And, he did tell me when the police raided the place that he would never step foot in there again. He was violated, that he was raped.
Mike Garcia: He told us the same thing. He said he wouldn’t go back because the place was scarred. And from a security standpoint, we felt that it wouldn’t even be a smart move because there’s no telling what’s in the rafters, or inside the walls, after everybody’s in there.
Diane Dimond: Do you mean eavesdropping equipment?
Mike Garcia: Yes.
Diane Dimond: Oh, interesting.
Ryan Smith: Ok, so he felt that way about Neverland after that raid, but was he aware that he was a grown man spending a lot of time with children, and that people would ask questions about it?
Steve Manning: He didn’t find anything wrong with that because he was innocent, and nothing was happening, that’s what he told me.
Mike Garcia: If you know Mr. Jackson, and he’ll probably agree with me, if you know Mr. Jackson then you’ll know that he shouldn’t have been in that trial. He’s a child himself, and at the same time there’s probably not a whole lot of people telling him saying “Hey, it doesn’t look right”, because there were a lot of “yes” people, but Mr. Jackson was a child himself.
Steve Manning: I had a conversation with Mr. Jackson; that trial killed Michal Jackson!
Mike Garcia: Absolutely!
Steve Manning: That’s what really killed him. Even though he was found “not guilty”, he never was the same after that.
Ryan Smith: Why?
Steve Manning: It drained him. It drained him; it drained his soul and spirit.
Ryan Smith: Let’s talk about the trial, and as Mike just said, you think that trial should have never happened. Diane, what did you think?
Diane Dimond: Well, I’m listening to what the former employees and friends have said about him never wanting to go back to Neverland, because he felt “raped”. I know some members of the prosecution team who said they didn’t want to go back because he had been exposed!
I’m not saying that Michael Jackson was a pedophile! A judge and jury ruled that he was not.
Steve Manning: Thank you!
Mike Garcia: Absolutely!
Diane Dimond: But in my book, I outline several years’ worth of interviews that I did, with lots of young boys, and their families, that were too afraid to come forward and press charges, that all told the same story! Of how the child was manipulated to come and see Michael Jackson, manipulated to be alone with Michael Jackson, maybe the adults in their lives were over-protective, or over-reacting, but Michael Jackson made the first charges “go away”, as I outline in the book, by paying $30 million dollars! Who does that? And don’t tell me it’s because he had a lot of money back then, because he wasn’t working at that point!
Steve Manning: Mr. Jackson brought Johnnie Cochran in, and I had a conversation with Johnnie Cochran personally about this, Mr. Jackson brought him in late, before they settled that, and he begged him not to settle it, but he wanted it to just go away. And he regretted it later on.
Diane Dimond: That is just not true! Johnnie Cochran and Howard Weitzman negotiated that monetary settlement with the first young boy.
Steve Manning: Mr. Jackson asked him not to settle…
Diane Dimond: That’s just not of the facts!
Mike Garcia: A lot of the things your saying is hearsay because I was with him when he went to the lawyers, and things like that……
Diane Dimond: You were there in 1993?
Mike Garcia: No, I was not there.
Diane Dimond: I was there in 1993.
Mike Garcia: But the things that you’re saying is hearsay. I’ve been with him, with lawyers, and I know that he, just like you said……..
Steve Manning: I’m not going to scrupulate Johnnie Cochran, but Mr. Jackson did bring him in like that, and he begged him not to settle. He wanted it to just go away.
Diane Dimond: Ryan, that is not the facts!
Steve Manning: That’s what I was told by Johnnie Cochran, and by his mom.
Mike Garcia: Absolutely.
Ryan Smith: Mike, you’re saying that what Diane is saying is hearsay; what did you learn from Michael Jackson?
Mike Garcia: The information that she’s saying is things from secondhand. Like I said, if you knew Mr. Jackson, you would know he didn’t do it.
Diane Dimond: Michael, I sat and talked with young boys, I sat and talked to their families, that’s not secondhand.
Mike Garcia: If you knew Mr. Jackson, you knew he didn’t do it.
Diane Dimond: That’s not secondhand. And you weren’t there in 1993, and I was. When did you first start working for Michael Jackson?
Mike Garcia: So what he had a petting zoo! So what if he had a Ferris wheel! It doesn’t matter!
Diane Dimond: When did you first start working for him?
Mike Garcia: In 2006.
Diane Dimond: Ok, he wasn’t even at Neverland!
Mike Garcia: If you knew Mr. Jackson, then you knew that he didn’t do it. That’s all I have to say.
Diane Dimond: You were not even around when he lived at Neverland.
Anthony DeCurtis: To tell you something about kids and families like that, they’re not bringing suits, they’re not doing anything? What is motivating them like that?
Mike Garcia: Who’s not to say that their parents didn’t push them on? They’re a lot of things that could have happened.
Diane Dimond: That’s right.
Mike Garcia: You’re sitting there and pointing things out, but at the same time, I’m not…………to be honest, I get asked that question a lot, when people find out that I was with Mr. Jackson, they ask “do you think he did it?” Absolutely not! He was a very gentle man!
Steve Manning: Diane, isn’t it true Diane that the Ryan father who pushed this whole thing, later admitted that his father made him do it?
Diane Dimond: No, that is not true! That was put out on the internet that the first young man recanted, and it absolutely was not true. That came out after his father committed suicide, and people said “Oh look, his father committed suicide! Chandler’s gone, it was all a hoax!” Mr. Chandler committed suicide because he had a degenerative disease that was robbing him of the ability to stand up, to speak, to swallow, or to think.
Steve Manning: Well, I wish you would have went to Neverland, and you’re family. It was something for families; it was a beautiful place……
Diane Dimond: I’m sure it was a beautiful place, but Mike, with all due respect, you started working for him in 2006, he didn’t even live at Neverland! You don’t know what went on at Neverland, and I don’t either! I just know the people I spoke to, not secondhand.
Mike Garcia: When you’re embedded with someone 24 hours a day……like I said, there was no entourage, it was just us, Michael Jackson, and the kids, and when you’re embedded with someone like that, you pick up on things. I have a great attention to detail. I watched how everybody does everything. There’s no way that he did it. There’s absolutely no way. And him being a child himself………..you want to talk about his house at Neverland, he had this, and he had that, he probably had it for himself first.
Steve Manning: But the bottom line is, like I said earlier, the trial killed him, it drained him. He was dead already!
Mike Garcia: Drained him!
Mike Garcia: A lot of things, like how people turned their backs on him……I heard that there was a party after the trial, and a thousand people were supposed to be there, and only 200 people showed up! He saw a lot of things! He saw a lot of people’s true colors. Honestly, we didn’t get paid for several months, but we stayed with the guy because we saw his naiveness, and the way he was treated by the media and everybody else, and the control. The guy was a heart of gold.
Ryan Smith: Let me ask this, of both of you. You both spent a lot of time with Michael; did Michael ever spend time alone with boys? The rumors that he spent time in bed with boys?
Mike Garcia: I never saw anything myself.
Ryan Smith: You never saw anything?
Mike Garcia: The only children I saw him with were his own, and he was a great father.
Diane Dimond: And you do know Ryan, if indeed the charges were true…………nope, let me say it this way………you do know Ryan that a child molester does not molest in front of other people! They’re very secretive, they’re very crafty. Anybody at the FBI, who wrote the profile of what a pedophile is, will tell you that they’re the most charming, fascinating, engaging people in all of criminal life! They first must seduce the parent to get to the child. I’m not saying Michael Jackson was a pedophile, but to say “Oh golly, he’s such a nice guy, and he’s so sweet, and he’s like a child himself”, that could also be a crafty subterfuge. I look at both sides to everything, and I know that angers some people!
Steve Manning: But the Santa Barbara jury found him not guilty.
Diane Dimond: Absolutely!
Ryan Smith: And that’s a good point Steve! And why was he found not guilty?
Diane Dimond: Because I think the state did not prove its case! I sat in that court every single day, and the case that was filed became so complicated with conspiracies, and phone numbers, and phone trees, and this, and that, they forgot to just tell the story, and let the jury decide on that.
Steve Manning: But look at those charges, I mean, an all-white jury, a black guy……..
Diane Dimond: It wasn’t in Santa Barbara, first of all, it was in Santa Maria, which is 120 miles north from Santa Barbara.
Ryan Smith: I’ll ask this one other question, and Steve and Mike, let me get your thoughts on this: as Diane’s saying, it’s been documented that he paid families of children that accused him molestation, so the question is……..
Steve Manning: She said they didn’t come forward, just one family, the guy Ryan…..
Ryan Smith: Ok, so let’s assume it’s one family then, assuming that, I think the question that would occur to a lot of people guys, is “Why would you pay somebody off for something that you didn’t do?”
Steve Manning: Well he regretted that he settled that case, he regretted it. He should have let it go to trial. In the second trial he was vindicated, and he wished he could have done that with the Ryan case.
Diane Dimond: And I think that’s a very good point because, if he had not settled the first case, and it had gone to trial, there never would have been a second one. He made himself a target by paying $30 million dollars to a boy’s family. Every ne’er do well in America could have come forward and said “Hey look! He pays people! Let’s go file a false claim!” There weren’t any for 10 years, and in 2003, a young boy, suffering from cancer, alleges that Michael Jackson did untoward things to him. The jury declared him “not guilty”, and I say that’s the way we need to remember Michael Jackson.
Steve Manning: Thank you!
Diane Dimond: He was a genius, a talented genius, and a tortured soul.
Analysis:
1. “Speaking of molestation charges, there was a bed that he had inside the movie theater, inside the booth where the projections were, and people said that he used that bed for children, and that was so insulting, so outrageous!” This topic was brought up by the one and only Oprah in her 1993 interview with the Agajanian family, which aired on the same day as her live, primetime interview with Michael. She describes how impressed she was that he would build a bed inside of his movie theater so that terminally ill children could watch movies in comfort, and how she was so moved by that, because in order to do that means that MJ genuinely cared about them! (And those are her exact words, too!) Her comments start at 3:50.
2. “There was talk that there were secret rooms inside Neverland Ranch.” In an interview that was granted on July 1st, 2009, Mr. AC Agajanian, the father of Amy, debunked this “secret room” garbage that both the tabloid and “lamestream” media reported on for years, even after his acquittal! Here is his interview, and he refutes the lie beginning at 5:45.
Here is a partial transcript (the complete transcript is included in this post):
JC: But let me tell you something that came up about his bedroom, and the “secret room” and all this stuff that went on. Francie and I were in his bedroom, my kids were in his bedroom, his bedroom was a playland, it had Disney things in there, it was like a living room. And when he said, “I invited kids in my bed” [sorry, JC, Michael never said it – he simply said he gave his bed to others] it’s… first of all, any kids that wanted to have a slumber party there, the “secret room” that they referred to that was locked up and so on, that was where he went to sleep.
When he said, “I’d be happy to give my bed to kids”… what he meant by that was, when he grew up, he didn’t have a bed. All the Jackson kids slept in one room. To be able to sleep in the bed was a big deal! And the people just didn’t understand that what he was saying was, when you give someone where you sleep and you leave and you go to another room to sleep, you’re giving them the bed, you’re sharing the most you have.
It’s like sitting at the table and going, “Yeah, you could have this steak and go eat, I’ll eat the beans over here.” They just didn’t understand and his honesty in saying that got him in trouble.
Here is a video of The Today Show from June 2010. They did a special on the one year anniversary, it included a tour of Neverland, and of course the stupid reporter had to show everyone the “secret room” and remind everyone that the prosecutors said he used it for nefarious reasons! It starts at 00:30 seconds:
http://www.mefeedia.com/video/31716321
3. “What was Neverland like? I don’t know, because I was never there.” Bull! She was the ONLY reporter that was on the property during Sneddon’s November , 2003 raid! As a matter of fact, she was there BEFORE the police arrived! This was summarized in this MJEOL Bullet. Here is an excerpt:
Not only was she apparently tipped off by someone in either the district attorney’s office or the sheriff’s department, but she was given so much specific information that she executed a plan to have two camera crews ready: one to catch the raid at Neverland, and another for when Jackson was to be arrested and taken to the police station. What? No one has so much as asked one question about how she knew to be there at that time, who gave her this information, and for what purpose was it given to her. The second crew at the police station came up empty because Jackson wasn’t at Neverland when the raid started. This in itself of further evidence that Sneddon was allowed to get the search and arrest warrants at the same time, since Dimond “broke” news that police “sources” said that had Jackson been at Neverland during the time they ransacked his home, they would have arrested him “on the spot”.
Apparently for months, she was given or was seeking information about this investigation, and was tipped off hours before the raid so that she could be there, ready to roll camera and report her ill-gotten “scoop”. She has also, since, proclaimed to have met the accuser and presumably the mother. The questions that arise, of course, are when and how did she get in contact with them. We know from an earlier report that current district attorney Sneddon was trying to get in contact with the family as early as Feb 16 2003. So when did Dimond track down the family? Since she was so…uh, resourceful…could she have aided prosecutors in finding them? She has, since, aided prosecutors in tracking down a pair of dirty old underwear which may or may not even belong to Jackson. But the point is that she has gone to the other side of the country, found what she thought was “evidence” in the so-called case against Jackson, and called up her old buddy Sneddon—who sent officers there to pick up those dirty old drawers.
Here is an excerpt from the Daily Mail UK, and I apologize for having to use this garbage, due to the headline:
Police search Jacko’ s ranch
Police have searched Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in California – although the purpose of the search was not immediately disclosed, a sheriff’s official said.
The authorities executed a search warrant at the 45-year-old musician’s sprawling home in the Santa Ynez Valley outside of Santa Barbara, said a sheriff’s spokesman.
The Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s office was also involved in the action, he added.
A Jackson spokesman told CNN the singer was not at the ranch and the raid “came as a total surprise.”
CourtTV’s Diane Dimond, reporting from Neverland, said the raid was in connection with an abuse charge from a 13-year-old boy.
The search is unrelated to a 13-year-old boy’s 1993 allegation that Jackson shared his bed with the teenager and initiated sexual contact.
Jackson’s friend Uri Geller said: “I have heard an ambulance was involved. I don’t know what is going on”.
The search warrant related to a criminal investigation, a police spokesman said.
Nine years ago a 14-year-old reached an out-of-court agreement after accusing the singer of molesting him.
The search comes on the same day Epic Records released Number Ones, a greatest hits collection featuring Jackson’s new single, One More Chance. US TV is scheduled to air a Jackson special next week consisting mainly of old concert footage.
And if there are still any doubts as to whether or not Dimond was tipped off several months early about the investigation and upcoming raid, then let’s look what she had to say about it in her book “Be Careful Who You Love”,
from page 4:
Several years went by. My life went on. Flash-forward to my birthday, November 15th, 2003. I got “the” call. I had been alerted a few months earlier that a new Jackson child molestation investigation was percolating and on that day I learned that another raid on Neverland was a go. There was also a secret arrest warrant pending, and if Michael Jackson was anywhere on his 2,700 acre ranch, he would be arrested on child molestation charges immediately.
There! She admits it herself that she was tipped when the investigation started, and obviously that Sneddon was able to get an arrest warrant to arrest MJ on the spot, something he obviously wanted to do but could not do in 1993, due to Jordan’s inaccurate description of MJ’s penis!
4. “But in my book, I outline several years’ worth of interviews that I did, with lots of young boys, and their families, that were too afraid to come forward and press charges, that all told the same story!” This statement is totally and absolutely representative of Dimond’s M.O.: she tells a gullible, impressionable public audience that she, in her capacity as an “investigative journalist”, has interviewed “lots” of young boys who told the “same story”, but were “too afraid” to press charges! And to give her lies more credibility, she insists that she also interviewed their families as well! This is what’s known as an “ad hominem” technique, which means that she’s “appealing to the viewer’s emotions and prejudices, instead of their ability to think”! By claiming that there are other “victims” out there, and of course by not revealing their identities, or an exact date of her “interviews” with them, she scares the less-knowledgeable viewer into thinking that MJ is a reincarnation of John Wayne Gacy!
Here is what Dimond wrote on her blog on July 6th, 2009:
But Michael Jackson was obsessive about other things too; things that don’t make us feel so good. He was accused of one of the most insidious crimes imaginable – the sexual abuse of a child – not just once but twice. And from my years of reporting on the case I can tell you there were other young boys with eerily similar stories of abuse by Jackson, sons of parents too reticent, too embarrassed or scared to press charges.
Maureen Orth also peddles in this type of yellow journalism. Here is what she said on June 26th, 2009:
In August 1993, I was on the beach in Nantucket when I was told that Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter was trying to reach me: Michael Jackson had just been accused of child molestation by a 13-year-old boy. Thus began an odyssey of 12 years in which I wrote five lengthy articles for the magazine about the trials and tribulations of this music icon whose fame had literally deformed him. I spoke to hundreds of people who knew Jackson and, in the course of my reporting, found families who had given their sons up to him and paid dearly for it.
These are what I call “phantom victims”, and it was my idea to do a post on all of the frivolous accusers who smeared MJ’s reputation, in addition to the specious accusers. The word “specious” means “to appear to be superficially plausible, but in reality false”. Jordan Chandler, Gavin Arvizo, and Jason Francia’s claims are considered specious because they knew MJ personally, and spent time with him (which gives their accusations a hint of credibility), unlike the phantom victims who never met him at all! (Except for Terry George, but his claim came years after MJ severed ties with him.)
The phantom victims that we rebutted include Terry George, Daniel Kapon, Joseph Bartucci, and a German kid whose mother, according to Dimond and Ray Chandler, allegedly called Evan Chandler from Germany, but never contacted the police! We dismantled all of them in this post.
5. “Michael Jackson made the first charges “go away”, as I outline in the book, by paying $30 million dollars! Who does that?” Once again, another ad hominem attack! This is the usual “no innocent man would pay money to settle a false claim!” nonsense, and for added sensationalism, she doubled the $15,331,250 settlement to $30 million dollars!
I have rebutted this nonsense ad nauseum on this blog before, so there’s no reason to once again do it here. As usual, for the truth behind MJ’s settlements, please read this 2 part series, beginning here.
One of the reasons that Dimond is able to spin the settlement as a sign of guilt, and make up astronomical dollar amounts for the settlement, is that she deliberately excluded from the leaked documents the all-important Paragraph 3, which is referred to numerous times throughout the settlement. This paragraph, in all likelihood, mentions the insurance carrier who negotiated and paid the settlement, among many other pertinent facts. This was discussed in this post last year.
And did you notice how she lied and said that he “wasn’t working” at that point? How can that be, when he was on tour throughout the fall of 1993, until he checked into rehab! And while he obviously wasn’t touring in January 1994 when the civil case was settled, he still was worth hundreds of millions of dollars! What Dimond did was, once again, rebut the weak defense that fans often use that the settlement money was “pocket change” to MJ.
6. “No, that is not true! That was put out on the internet that the first young man recanted, and it absolutely was not true.” I was absolutely speechless when Steve Manning mentioned Jordan’s so-called “confession”. And not only did he try to use it as “proof” of MJ’s innocence, he even asked Diane if it was really true! As if he wasn’t sure about it!! How (for lack of a better word) MISINFORMED can this man be? He doesn’t even know Jordan’s name! (He referred to him repeatedly as “Ryan”.) And it’s not just him; I’ve seen both Jermaine and Katherine Jackson say this as well! In fact, here is a video of Katherine Jackson on the Today Show in May:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42894699#.TnZwIGjlYao
Here is a partial transcript:
Matt Lauer: You said in an interview not long ago with the associated press that there are a lot of lies about your son out there and misconceptions. If you could set some of them straight now what would you like to tell people?
Katherine Jackson: Well, the first thing i would like to tell them is as far as Michael being a child molester, that’s the biggest lie that was ever told. I guess nobody seemed to know that his first accuser, after Michael died there was an article that he came and confessed that Michael never touched him. It was a big lie and his father just wanted to be rich. He said, “I’m sorry i didn’t get to tell him before he died”.
Matt Lauer: Yet, Mrs. Jackson, there was a settlement made, a payment made by your son to the accuser. If there was no guilt why was the payment made?
Katherine Jackson: Well, his lawyers told him that he should just pay the money because Michael was out on tour at that time. They thought that just paying the money and shut the people up would be the right thing to do. but Michael was upset and i was, too. As soon as I heard it I called him and said, why did you do that? It makes you look guilty. He said, “the lawyers told me to do it. I didn’t want to do it either, mother. I wanted to fight it because it wasn’t the truth.”
Just for the record, Jordan Chandler never publically recanted ANYTHING! While it’s been said that he told his closest friends in college that he lied, until he publically announces it, and writes a book, and does a major TV interview with Oprah, Larry King, Diane Sawyer, etc., anything he says in private to his closest friends is IRRELEVANT!
Also, Evan Chandler’s death does NOT automatically prove that he lied, either! While it’s certainly karma that his life ended the way it did, after how he destroyed MJ’s life, Dimond made a good rebuttal (which is what any MJ hater will do to such a weak defense of him): his death was due to his illness, and not necessarily because he felt “guilty” about what he did. Perhaps there was some guilt, but unfortunately we as fans will never know, and we cannot independently confirm it, so we should never use this as “evidence”; instead, we can rely on the timeline of the chain of events of 1993, such as his desire to be a 50/50 partner with MJ, the dissolution of his relationship with MJ after his request was denied, his demand of a $20 million dollar film deal in exchange for his silence, and numerous other examples of exculpatory evidence.
7. “Well, I wish you would have went to Neverland, and you’re family. It was something for families; it was a beautiful place.” Oh my gosh, when I responded to Dimond with this crap, my jaw just dropped! You’re telling me that you’re on a panel with the most notorious MJ hater who ever lived, and you’re gonna defend your friend and former client Michael Jackson by saying that Dimond should have visited Neverland to see how beautiful it is? If you were someone who is on the fence about MJ’s guilt, what would you think upon hearing this? This was a theme that was consistent throughout this panel, from both Manning and Garcia. Instead of providing facts, they kept mentioning how nice, sweet, naïve, and childlike MJ was, how Neverland was a beautiful place, how he regretted settling the 1993 case, blah,blah, blah, and they really missed a golden opportunity to educate the public! I guess this is why they were selected in the first place! Let’s not forget, Tru TV is merely a spinoff of the now defunct Court TV, which employed the likes of Dimond, Grace, Sunny Hostin, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and Gloria Allred.
To get an objective opinion of Court TV’s degradation over the years, let’s look at what former Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley had to say about the network at the November 2005 Harvard Law School Seminar:
“I was totally hooked on Court TV. That was Court TV in the “good old days”, before all the talking heads came in, and you got mostly uncensored, real trial testimony, and it was fascinating to watch.”
8. I’m not saying Michael Jackson was a pedophile, but to say “Oh golly, he’s such a nice guy, and he’s so sweet, and he’s like a child himself”, that could also be a crafty subterfuge. This is EXACTLY why all MJ fans must step their game up, and improve their knowledge of the facts; otherwise, you will merely resort to using ad hominem techniques that will be rightfully obliterated by haters, and even skeptics. I truly hope that this blog is a stepping stone to the accomplishment of that goal!
For example, let’s look at Rev. Al Sharpton try to defend MJ against Peter King’s attacks. His heart was in the right place, but overall it was a very weak defense that (once again) didn’t include any pertinent facts. It was just more of the same “the jury acquitted him, leave him alone, blah, blah, blah…”. Extremely weak, ineffective, and unconvincing.
9. “The case that was filed became so complicated with conspiracies, and phone numbers, and phone trees, and this, and that, they forgot to just tell the story, and let the jury decide on that.” Once again, Dimond goes into spin mode, and I’m surprised her head didn’t start spinning around like that kid in “The Exorcist”! (When I say “spin”, I mean that she’s “presenting information to the public in a way that is meant to falsely influence their opinion”.)
This is absolutely typical of what haters do; they blame the prosecution for “bungling” the case, or they blame the accusers for being of a lower educational and socioeconomic status, or they blame the jury for being “smitten” by MJ’s celebrity. Matt Drudge warned that this would happen during his vehement defense of MJ on his radio show in 2005.
Let’s take a closer look at this so-called “complicated” phone number evidence that was soooooooo confusing that the jury decided to acquit MJ on this alone! Here is the May 2nd, 2005 testimony of Detective Craig Bonner, who was assigned the task of investigating the phone records in the days and weeks after the airing of the Bashir crock-u-mentary, which were subpoenaed by Sneddon. He used Microsoft Excel to create phone charts which showed how each phone call was connected to one another, similar to the flowchart that was used in the Veritas Project to show how all of the accusers were connected to each other!
Here are some very brief excerpts from his direct and cross examination. This is truly the most BORING testimony that I’ve ever read! To think that the prosecution spent ALL DAY on such trivial and irrelevant evidence just boggles the mind, and it’s easy to see why haters use this is an easy scapegoat for MJ’s acquittal. If Dr. Murray had forced MJ to read this testimony, instead of administering propofol, MJ would surely have gotten the sleep he so desperately desired!
Let’s start with a basic introduction of who Det. Bonner is, and how he accomplished his assignment of making the phone database:
23 DIRECT EXAMINATION
24 BY MR. NICOLA:
25 Q. Good morning, Sergeant Bonner.
26 A. Good morning.
27 Q. With respect to your investigation in this
28 case, did you have occasion to gather, sort and 8322
1 analyze telephone records and subscriber
2 information?
3 A. Yes, I did.
4 Q. Do you see the stack of phone exhibits
5 sitting on counsel table? I believe they’re 450
6 through 459.
7 A. Yes, I’m quite familiar with them.
8 Q. Do you recognize those exhibits?
9 A. I’m quite familiar, yes.
10 Q. And did you play a role in putting those
11 exhibits together and analyzing the information that
12 was contained within them?
13 A. I did.
14 Q. Can you briefly and generally explain to the
15 jury the process that was used to — the initial
16 step used in getting a handle on the information
17 that’s in those exhibits?
18 A. Yes. Basically we obtained quite a number
19 of telephone records through search warrant and
20 subpoena. We amassed those records and brought them
21 into a computer database, used that computer
22 database to compile and sort those records into a
23 format where we could begin to see patterns of calls
24 and who was calling whom.
25 We then utilized that information to cut out
26 the unnecessary material, or the material which we
27 could not substantiate through other evidence, and
28 we have brought that together now into exhibits that 8323
1 will show just those phone calls that are pertinent,
2 and we have done that in a visual manner as well as
3 in a document that will back up that visual manner.
4 Q. Okay. I think we missed a step. With
5 respect to the information that was generated and
6 you created a spreadsheet from it, can you explain
7 to the jury how you verified the information that
8 was in your spreadsheets?
9 A. The computer database basically put together
10 a list of the calls that it said occurred between
11 our involved parties to ensure that that list was
12 correct. We then went into those records, which are
13 the actual records sent by the phone companies, and
14 we verified each and every call that the computer
15 said occurred, and we have noted where that call
16 occurs within those records.
17 Q. Okay. Did you prepare some exhibits for
18 court today to demonstrate your testimony?
19 A. I did.
18 Q. BY MR. NICOLA: I ask if you recognize
19 Exhibit 859?
20 A. Yes, I do.
21 Q. What does 859 contain?
22 A. 859 is the visual chart documenting
23 telephone calls between the involved parties on
24 February 5th, 2003.
25 Q. Is there also a document behind the visual
26 chart?
27 A. There is. It’s an Excel spreadsheet, which
28 is the verification of each call that is claimed on 8325
1 the visual chart.
2 Q. And did you create or cause to be created
3 these charts?
4 A. I did.
5 Q. And did you cause to be created 859 through
6 882?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Okay. Now, with respect to testifying about
9 the contents of these exhibits, 859 through 882, did
10 you delegate some other of your colleagues to assist
11 you?
12 A. I did.
13 Q. And which exhibits will you be testifying to
14 today, if you could please the tell jury now?
15 A. I will testify to 859, 860, 861, 862, 863,
16 864, 865, 866, 867, 871, 875, 876, 877, 878 and 879.
Now, let’s get to the heart of the matter: there was a material error in the description of one of the charts that was used to outline 12 phone calls between Eveyln Tavasci and Neverland Valley Ranch. Det. Bonner pointed out to that there was an error in the description of who was called (which was Neverland Valley Ranch, not Marc Schaffel, which was stated on the chart). The original chart implied that there was phone contact between Tavasci and Scheffel, when there wasn’t any!
Upon realizing this error, Prosecutor Nicola asked to have the chart evidence(exhibit 879) stricken, pending correction (which would have forced the jury to disregard it), but defense attorney Robert Sanger objected, because it had already been referred to in front of the jury, and that is should remain until it was corrected. The court agreed!
1 Q. Can you tell us about the 12 phone calls
2 between the Evvy Tavasci/MJJ Production phone and
3 the Schaffel phone, please? Do you know when the
4 first one occurred?
5 A. No. There appears to be an error.
6 Q. That should say “Neverland Valley Ranch”?
7 A. It should.
8 Q. Okay. Can you tell us what time the first
9 call to Neverland Valley Ranch occurred?
10 MR. SANGER: I’m just going to object for
11 the moment, that there is a reference to, “That
12 should be Neverland Valley Ranch,” and it’s not
13 clear what that reference is to.
14 THE COURT: Sustained.
15 Q. BY MR. NICOLA: The 12 phone calls I was
16 referring to should have been referred to as the
17 Neverland Valley Ranch, correct?
18 A. That’s correct.
19 Q. So the link between the Tavasci/MJJ
20 Productions phone and the Marc Schaffel phone is
21 incorrect; is that what you’re saying?
22 A. That’s correct.
23 Q. Okay. Were there any calls between the
24 Schaffel phone and the Tavasci phone for that day?
25 A. No.
26 Q. Okay. So the 12 calls between the
27 Tavasci/MJJ Production phone and the Neverland
28 Valley Ranch phone began at what time that day? 8391
1 A. 8:48 a.m.
2 Q. And what time did they cease?
3 A. At 8:19 p.m.
4 Q. Is the chart — excuse me, is the
5 spreadsheet behind the chart accurate, to your
6 recollection?
7 A. Yes, it is.
8 Q. Okay. And is that how you realized the
9 actual chart that’s up on the screen is incorrect
10 with respect to the link between the Evvy Tavasci
11 phone and the Marc Schaffel phone?
12 A. That’s correct.
13 Q. The call between the Amen phone and the
14 Schaffel phone, what time did that occur, please?
15 A. At 1757 hours.
16 Q. And that was a one-minute call?
17 A. One-minute duration.
18 MR. NICOLA: Your Honor, I’ll move to strike
19 this chart, Exhibit 879.
20 It is 879, correct?
21 THE WITNESS: Correct.
22 MR. NICOLA: Pending correction.
23 MR. SANGER: Well, I object to that. It’s
24 been referred to in front of the jury, so it should
25 remain. And they can present a corrected chart if
26 they want.
27 MR. NICOLA: We can do that.
28 THE COURT: I think that’s the way to do it. 8392
Here is Sanger’s cross examination of Bonner. Let’s look at the VERY FIRST QUESTION!!!
22 CROSS-EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. SANGER:
24 Q. Okay. Some big-picture questions. First of
25 all — I don’t really want to go through the exact
26 times of minutes of everything, but there are some
27 big-picture questions.
28 First of all, in all these phone records 8393
1 that you analyzed, were you able to determine from
2 the phone records whether or not Michael Jackson was
3 ever on a single call?
4 A. No.
As you can see, Sanger cut straight to the chase! He wanted to erode the prosecution’s claim that MJ was the mastermind behind the alleged conspiracy by having Bonner admit that MJ was not on a single call!
Here is where Sanger asked Bonner to describe how MJ’s staff arranges for his travels, and that there was no effort to hide MJ’s identity in his internal travel records:
21 Q. Okay? And before we talk about that
22 particularly, let me ask you some general questions
23 that will cover other entries as well.
24 In general, through your investigation in
25 this case, did you determine that when Mr. Jackson
26 travels, the people that arrange his travel often
27 will take a name that is not Mr. Jackson’s name and
28 use that for the purpose of booking hotels? 8408
1 A. That’s correct.
2 Q. And is that something common with
3 celebrities, to book rooms under other names,
4 whether it’s a staff person or just a fictitious
5 name?
6 A. I don’t have personal knowledge. This is
7 the only instance that I’ve personally been involved
8 in.
9 Q. All right. Have you ever seen other
10 celebrities book rooms?
11 A. No.
12 Q. Okay. All right. Anyway, it makes sense to
13 you. You don’t want to put your own name down there
14 if you’re going to attract a lot of attention,
15 right?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. And sometimes in your investigation, just to
18 cover the big picture, you will see in the documents
19 that the name that is used appears to have — the
20 last name that’s used appears to have no relation to
21 anybody we know of, right?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. So it just might be a name like Mason or
24 something like that; is that correct?
25 A. Could be, yes.
26 Q. On the other hand, sometimes you’ll see
27 rooms are booked in the name of somebody who is
28 actually working for MJJ Productions or in some 8409
1 other way associated with that organization, such as
2 Chris Carter?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. So Chris Carter might reserve rooms in his
5 name, right?
6 A. Correct.
7 Q. You never saw rooms reserved in the name of
8 Michael Jackson himself, correct?
9 A. No.
10 Q. All right. And the records are kept openly
11 in that regard, correct? In other words, through
12 the records that you found both at Neverland and
13 from the various places where records were
14 subpoenaed or obtained by search warrants,
15 internally there was no effort to hide the fact that
16 these were Mr. Jackson’s rooms, right?
17 A. No.
Here is Sanger asking Bonner about his recollection of Janet Arvizo asking for a ride from Neverland in a Rolls-Royce on the morning of February 12th, 2003 (when she would later claim to be held “hostage”):
27 Q. Okay. Not a big thing. It’s just you
28 jump — 862 is for February the 8th, and then the 8414
1 next summary chart you have is for February the
2 12th; is that correct?
3 A. That’s correct.
4 Q. All right. So you did not do a summary
5 chart for February the 11th, correct?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Now, on February 11th, based on your
8 investigation, the night of February 11th, right at
9 the end of the night, were you aware that Janet
10 Arvizo had asked somebody to give her a ride?
11 A. The 11th or the 12th. I’m not sure which
12 day.
13 Q. And the ride actually occurred at — the
14 ride — the Rolls Royce left the ranch at about 1:52
15 in the morning; is that correct?
16 A. The person I interviewed wasn’t real certain
17 about times, so —
18 Q. You’re familiar with the gate logs, right?
19 A. Yes. But —
20 Q. Did you look at the entries on the gate
21 logs?
22 A. I did. But not having them in front of me,
23 I couldn’t state with certainty.
24 Q. Whatever time it was, it was sometime in the
25 early morning hours of the 12th when the Rolls Royce
26 left the property; is that your understanding?
27 A. Yes.
28 Q. So my question was, were you aware that she 8415
1 was asking, around midnight, somewhere just before
2 midnight on the 11th, for a ride?
3 A. That is my understanding, yes.
4 Q. All right. There you go.
5 So on the 11th, I want to follow the same
6 procedure, with the Court’s permission, and I’m
7 going to write up at the top 02-11-03. And since
8 the 12th was a Wednesday, the 11th had to be a
9 Tuesday. We learned that. Right?
10 A. Sounds good.
11 Q. Okay. And now I’m going to ask, with the
12 Court’s permission, to put up page two of Exhibit
13 458.
14 THE COURT: All right.
15 MR. SANGER: All right.
16 Q. Page two of 458. All right. Now, referring
17 to – I’m going to refer to these three calls down
18 here. Hit the line numbers, I’ll make it easier.
19 Referring to these three calls down here
20 that say Santa Barbara, so that looks like 17, 18
21 and 19, correct?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. And I think you told us these are the phone
24 records of Jay Jackson, correct?
25 A. Correct.
Here is some additional information on Dimond’s lack of respect from her journalistic peers. This is an excerpt from a December 1993 LA Times article called “Television News ’93 – Where Entertainment And Reality Blur” by Howard Rosenberg ( a subscription to Highbeam is required to read the entire article):
A seminal moment in 1993′s incestuous media process came in August when “CBS This Morning” co-host Paula Zahn conducted an interview about those widely reported sexual abuse allegations that a 13-year-old boy had made against Jackson.
The person she interviewed was Diane Dimond.
Diane Dimond of the syndicated “Hard Copy.”
“Hard Copy” the notorious tabloid series.
Zahn was respectful, if not reverential. Had Dimond heard of other boys being involved? Had she heard of the existence of incriminating photos? CBS News had joined the inquiring minds wanting to know. “Hard Copy” was working on those angles, Dimond disclosed.
CBS News and the extraterrestrial “Hard Copy” merging on coverage of Michael Jackson? It was an exotic hybrid that probably sent Edward R. Murrow spinning in his grave.
The media were doing plenty of their own spinning, which included tabloid and local news choppers spending enough time above Jackson’s various residences in Southern California to earn frequent-flier mileage. And late in the year — after he had aborted his world tour because of a reported prescription drug problem — came the Search for Michael. The search for the Loch Ness Monster was less intense.
Where was he doing his rehab? In Switzerland? In Oz? Inquiring quacks just had to know. How big was this story? So big that on the evening of the crucial vote on the North American Free Trade Agreement in Congress, the NBC affiliate in Los Angeles topped its major newscast with 15 minutes of Jackson.
Trade barriers were about to fall; news standards had already fallen.
Whether Jackson is guilty or innocent of sexual molestation is not the point. How the media have covered his story is.
Anyone with a damning tale to tell about him, even if unsubstantiated, has been assured of air time somewhere. Heading the group was a man who insisted he had been Jackson’s “friend.” Negative statements made about Jackson by his estranged sister LaToya Jackson continued to get wide play even after she admitted on “Today” that she could not substantiate her innuendo about her brother molesting young boys.
A former Jackson housekeeper and four of his former security guards made damaging statements to “Hard Copy” in recent interviews that the tabloid program paid them for. Paying for interviews is odious enough, a sure way to encourage interviewees to do the bidding of the payer and give a performance. Omitting mention of that payment compounds the sin. And that is exactly what several stations did in excerpting the “Hard Copy” remarks of some of Jackson’s former employees.
There was one positive side to the Michael Jackson coverage in 1993. At least no one implied that he was associated with Heidi Fleiss. Or that he was Heidi Fleiss.
But “Hard Copy” may be working on it.
I want to take a moment to reiterate a point that I made earlier: we as fans need to step up and increase our knowledge of the exculpatory facts that prove that Michael Jackson was innocent. We can’t rely on hearsay, innuendoes, speculation, or conjecture, nor can we simply describe MJ’s childlike personality, heart of gold, charitable endeavors, or his parental abilities. The performance of Mike Garcia and Steve Manning was UNACCEPTABLE!
I’m going to say something, and it may sound harsh, but it needs to be said: don’t insult my intelligence by telling me that MJ is innocent because he’s a nice, sweet, childlike person who would never harm a child! That’s just as bad as haters who say that MJ is guilty because he bleached his skin, butchered his face, and was effeminate! When you use MJ’s childlike persona as a sign of innocence, haters or skeptics could see it as a sign of guilt! They will say “Maybe he did it out of childlike curiosity instead of a sexual desire!”
In the days and weeks after MJ died, I quickly got fed up seeing the endless list of people who knew MJ for 5 minutes at one point in their lives talk about his childlike personality and charitable contributions as exculpatory evidence whenever the allegations were brought up! That’s why I set out on this mission to learn the truth, and 2 years later, here I am, helping to run one of the most informative MJ blogs on the net!
The performance of Mike Garcia was valiant, but unconvincing. Steve Manning was downright awful! For him to repeatedly refer to Jordan Chandler as “Ryan” is symptomatic of how freakin’ CLUELESS he is! At least Anthony DeCurtis had the decency to keep his mouth shut, except for the one worthless comment that he uttered during the entire segment.
Congratulations, Tru TV! Congratulations, Ryan Smith! You guys succeeded in your goal of entertaining your viewers, as opposed to educating them! You gave Dimond a platform to misinform more and more of your (mostly) gullible, impressionable viewers!
This segment validates a decision I made several months ago to do a new post called “How to Talk to a Michael Jackson Hater”, which will consist of talking points that fans can use to effectively make the case for MJ’s innocence. For example, here is what I would have loved to have asked Dimond, and this will surely be included in the upcoming post:
Mrs. Dimond,
When Tom Sneddon filed his initial felony complaint against Michael Jackson on December 18th, 2003, it consisted of the following charges which allegedly occurred from February 7th through March 10th, 2003:
- 7 counts of lewd acts upon a child
- 2 counts of administering an intoxicant
However, in the grand jury indictment that was filed on April 21st, 2004, the dates of the alleged offenses shifted to February 20th through March 12th, 2003, and the charges were materially altered as follows:
- 4 counts of lewd acts upon a child
- 1 count of an attempted lewd act upon a child
- 4 counts of administering an intoxicant
- 1 count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment, and extortion
Mrs. Dimond, how do you explain that discrepancy in the charges? How do you explain the addition of the conspiracy charge, when Sneddon investigated Michael Jackson for almost 6 months before raiding Neverland? Why wasn’t Michael Jackson charged with conspiracy in the initial complaint? Why weren’t the 5 unindicted co-conspirators charged, even after they refused immunity for their testimony against Michael Jackson? And why did the start date of the alleged crimes suddenly shift by almost 2 weeks, and the end date shift by 2 days?
That’s an example of the type of substantive, analytical, well-researched and straightforward questions that need to be asked of Michael Jackson haters. I’d LOVE to see Dimond spin her way out of that one! That’s guaranteed to shut her up real quick! And do you guys ever notice how the media loves to question the conspiracy charge AFTER the trial (using it as a scapegoat for MJ’s acquittal), but they never questioned it BEFORE the trial, when it appeared out of thin air when MJ was indicted!!
Here is some additional info on Dimond that can be used for additional research:
- Fans United For Michael Jackson’s Legacy did a recent post titled “Turn Off, Tune Out, Shut Off Diane Dimond”
- A two-part dossier from MJJ-777 which compiles all of her dirty work. Here is part one and part two; part three is on the way!
- The section of the Veritas Project aptly titled “Diane Dimond: Paragon of Deceit”.
- LunaJo67’s four video compilations of Dimond’s coverage! This is over an hour of footage! It’s definitely not for the faint of heart! Open her “Michael Jackson: The Special Parts” playlist, and you’ll see the four “Diane Dimond Clips” videos. Have your barf bags ready!
- MJJJustice Project’s post “Dimond – Duplicity is Thy Name”. Another excellent analysis of her clever, yet deceitful spin of the facts. In this post, they analyze her 1995 radio interview on “The Ken and Barkley Show”, which was transcribed in MJ’s lawsuit against Paramount Pictures Corporation (the company behind “Hard Copy”.)
- Filthy Tabloid Trash’s Open Letter to TruTV, respectfully asking them to reconsider their decision to hire Diane Dimond to cover the upcoming trial. Obviously this letter fell on deaf ears!
- The Edgy Matters blog post from June 25th, 2004, titled “C-O-N-SPIRACY”” where Dimond was sarcastically “charged” as the #1 co-conspirator in helping Sneddon violate the gag order by planting stories in the media to taint the jury pool and convict MJ in the court of public opinion! And let’s not forget their June 23rd, 2005 post titled “Diane Dimond vs. Journalism Code of Ethics”, a must read!!
- And of course, we here at Vindicate MJ blasted Dimond in this overview of MJ’s 1995 Lawsuit against her and Victor Gutierrez, and in Jacques Peretti’s “What Really Happened” crockumentary!
Here is Mesereau speaking at a law conference in 2005 titled “From O.J. To Martha To Michael: What Have We Learned About the Conduct and Coverage of Trials?”, and once the conversation turns to the media’s bottom feeders at 5:00, guess who is the ONLY media hack who gets name-checked?
In an unrelated note, here is Linda Deutsch’s respectful rebuttal to Mesereau’s media tirade! She was one of the few journalists who was fair to MJ; in fact, MJ actually CALLED her to thank her! Unbelievable! (Personally, this surprises me, because Aphrodite Jones was never thanked publically or privately by MJ for writing Conspiracy.) She made an excellent point when she suggested that had there not been so many media restrictions, the public would have gotten a better idea of what was happening in the courtroom (e.g. sealed pleadings, no cameras in the courtroom, etc.). Her description of the conspiracy charge was dead on!
Here is Mesereau respectfully disagreeing with a reporter who suggested that the mainstream media should be given more credit for the professional journalists that they hire by slamming the mainstream media for ALSO hiring tabloid hacks with a vested interest in a conviction!
(To read a summary of the entire conference on, open this link.)
In closing, I truly hope that this roundtable discussion was a learning experience for all of you. You get to see Dimond as the lying, deceptive snake that she is, constantly insinuating that MJ is guilty, yet never explicity saying it, while simultaneously extolling him with every compliment under the sun! (Regarding his musical legacy and pop culture impact.) If you didn’t already know anything about Dimond, you would walk away from this special saying to yourself “I don’t understand why so many MJ fans hate her! She was fair and balanced, didn’t call him a freak or Wacko Jacko, praised his musical talents, explicitly stated that the jury’s verdict is what matters, and refuted the ‘secret rooms’ nonsense, so what’s the big deal?” And that’s EXACTLY the image that Dimond wants to project to the general public! She qualifies everything she said with such statements as “I’m not saying he’s a pedophile”, “I don’t know what went on at Neverland because I wasn’t there”, and “We need to remember the not guilty verdicts!”, among others, in order to give viewers the appearance of objectivity.
Obviously, it didn’t work with this viewer! I saw through Dimond like she was a window that had just been cleaned with Windex or Mr. Clean! As someone who knows these allegations backwards and forwards, I was able to immediately detect all of Dimond’s half-truths, and I truly hope that post can help turn the tide of public opinion against her!
I will respectfully ask that everyone email and tweet this post to not only Dimond, but the other members of the panel as well! They ALL need to be educated on the facts!
Finally, let’s end this post with Joe Jackson’s thoughts on Dimond and her partner in crime Nancy Grace! At 3:48, he lets the fans at Neverland know how he feels about them!
UPDATE September 23, 2011
Here is a partial transcript of an episode of ”Issues With Jane Velez-Mitchell” from March 6th, 2009, titled “Cases That Changed America”. The panel included Aphrodite Jones, and she was outnumbered 3 to 1 by MJ haters JVM, Lisa Bloom, and Diane Dimond! (The full transcript can be read here.) As you can see, Bloom and Dimon scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with excuses for MJ’s acquittal, clinging mostly to the conspiracy charge!
Notice how Lisa Bloom tried to defend the Arvizos by saying that they were not in it for the money because they never sued MJ, but when Aphrodite tried to say that they went to Larry Feldman first, and Sneddon got the law changed that prevented lawsuits from being filed before a criminal trial, Velez Mitchell cut her off! Jones asked JVM to “wait a minute“, but JVM replied with “let’s move on, because there’s so much to cover here“.
LISA BLOOM, ANCHOR, IN SESSION: There`s no question that his celebrity status is what led to his acquittal in part, because we know from some of the jurors who were interviewed afterwards that back in the jury room during the deliberations, some of the jurors said, “We can`t convict my Michael. Not my Michael. My Michael could not have done this.”
You know, we have celebrity culture in this country that`s almost like royalty. There are certain people who are above the law, and I think in the Michael Jackson case, his celebrity status is what put it over the top. Yes, there were other factors, but none as big as the celebrity factor.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but Aphrodite Jones, I have to say that I sat there along with you and Diane, and the conspiracy aspect of this case made my head explode. I couldn`t make head or tails of it. They`re keeping the whole family hostage. Meanwhile, they`re getting waxes and they`re going on shopping sprees. It was convoluted, and some said it just didn`t make sense.
APHRODITE JONES, AUTHOR, “MICHAEL JACKSON CONSPIRACY”: It did not make sense.
First of all, to charge Michael Jackson with conspiracy to hold a family hostage when, in fact, they were using his money and his limos and his Rolls Royces to travel around? It`s bizarre.
The idea that — I disagree with Lisa in that the jury perhaps had some fascination, certainly, with Michael`s celebrity status, but remember these people were looking at evidence that, for all intents and purposes, showed us at the end of the day that the Arviso family, the accuser`s family, seemed to take the playbook from Jordy Chandler`s lawsuit and follow suit.
There really was conflicting testimony from the key witnesses: that`s the accuser and his brother. There really was no absolute evidence that Jackson did ply anybody with alcohol.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, I want to bring it down to what we`re learning from this case. Diane Dimond, you covered it extensively. You wrote about it in your book. Where did the prosecution go wrong?
DIANE DIMOND, JOURNALIST/SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I think they made it too complicated, Jane. I completely agree with you. You and I sat in that courtroom along with Aphrodite and a whole lot of other reporters. And there were times during that 4 1/2 months that we`d look at each other and go, “Huh? Why are they spending so much time on the phone bills?”
Why — why did they make this seemingly simple story — this kid was allegedly molested by this man — into such a complicated thing? I never could figure it out. And I think that`s one reason he was acquitted.
BLOOM: Jane — Jane one very important point to respond to Aphrodite, throughout the trial, before the trial, after the trial, everybody said this 13-year-old accuser is in it for the money.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right.
BLOOM: Unlike Jordy Chandler, the previous child, he never filed a civil suit before, during, and now even years afterwards. He has never asked for one dime. And that — that was proven to be completely false.
JONES: Yes, but, you know, Jane, wait a minute.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me move on, because there`s so much to cover here.
JONES: OK.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Jackson case, we were there, a circus often turning a serious child molestation case into what felt like a Las Vegas act with Jackson as the ringmaster. I`m sure you`ll remember Jackson hopping on the roof of his SUV. We`re going to see it over and over today, playing to the crowd, looking for all the world like he was on stage at Madison Square Garden. There he is. I was there at that moment. It was crazy.
DIMOND: That was on arraignment day. Do you remember that, Jane? That was on arraignment day when you`re going into court to hear the charges against you and that`s what he did.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And not to be outdone, his own family got in on the theatrics. I`m sure you remember this, guys. They arrived at the trial, all dressed in matching white outfits as a sign of solidarity.
Now, as I watch this, covering the case in the courtroom along with you guys, it seemed to me that Michael Jackson was fighting back in a way that no defendant had ever done before, using psychology and emotion. Diane, it was almost that he was taking the skills that he learned on stage and applying it to the legal arena.
DIMOND: His father made sure that he was a showman from the age of, what, 6 years old. To me, the jumping on the SUV was a — I was agape at that. But it was “pajama drama day” that really did it for me.
Everybody remembers Michael Jackson was late for court. There was an arrest warrant issued for him that day. He was at a hospital complaining of back pain. And he comes to court in his pajamas.
But what nobody ever mentions is that`s the day that the young boy was going to spend his first full day on the stand testifying to these very, very serious charges. What did the jury do, Jane? You saw it. Aphrodite, you saw it. The jury was transfixed on Michael Jackson sitting five feet away from them in his pajamas, looking like he was in pain and disheveled.
JONES: Wait a minute. Diane, we saw that, but remember, from the waist up, you only saw Jackson in his — his jacket, blazer.DIMOND: He had on blue pajamas with clouds on them.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The blue pajama bottoms. You have to see them right there.
DIMOND: Come on.
JONES: I was told by the jury foreman that he honestly did not know that those were pajamas until after the fact.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, whatever. You would think his team could have brought him some trousers to wear.
BLOOM: But you know who could see it? The accuser, when he was testifying, he could see those pajamas. I`m sure it was distracting to him. And part of what he testified about was, part of the molestation was afterwards Michael Jackson asked him to put on his pajama pants.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Bingo.
JONES: Well, that was bizarre, clearly bingo (ph). But if Jackson was trying to detract from that testimony of pajamas, don`t you think he wouldn`t have worn the pajamas? I just think it was Jackson being Jackson, not feeling well, not being disheveled.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s part of the show.
UPDATE January 14th, 2012
I’ve finally been able to get the video of this discussion uploaded! I will add it to the beginning of this post as soon as it’s available in the next day or two! In the meantime, here are Parts 1 and 2 of a 5 part series on the post-discussion interview with Ryan Smith, Diane Dimond, Steve Manning, and Mike Garcia. They accepted questions from callers, and Dimond was much more well-behaved than she was at the earlier discussion!
By the way, if you want to know why Diane Dimond is still able to find work as a “journalist”, then please listen to the caller at the 13:39 mark in the second video! It’s UNBELIEVEABLE how guillible and downright STUPID some people are when it comes to Dimond’s reporting!
UPDATE March 1st, 2012
Have you ever asked yourself “What do Michael Jackson’s parents really think about Diane Dimond?” If so, then watch the video below!



Hi, sane
I just watched the second video, but I couldn´t bear DD Bull**** too long. What do you think, is the caller at 13:39 real ? I doubt, because she seemed a little too professional to me, let away her slimy “hero” statement to DD.
BTW have you heard, that Gloria Allred accidently published her personal mail distribution list ?
There are some interesting people on it !!!
If you’ve ever wondered what do MJ’s parents really think about MJ, then watch the video that I added to the end of the post!
“@vindicatemj, do you know who these people are and why they are spreading their hate all over the net?”
Appleh, no, I don’t know it. But one thing I am sure of – they are absolutely the same people who worked against Michael when he was alive. The ferocity of their fight against Michael’s supporters is the thing which amazes me most. The scope of their activities is so big and methods so horrendous that I suspect that there are someone’s huge interests behind all this.
It might be a fusion of different interests and agendas, but my best guess is that it is a pedophile lobby which is working on an international scale.
First, they desperately wanted (and still want) MJ to be their poster boy. To use him for this purpose they first need to prove that he was a p. and then press every button to show the public how unjust the society was to a nice guy like MJ.
“Pressing the buttons” is done by convicted pedophile Thomas O’Carroll and those professors who backed up his book (and continue teaching students in their universities). These people are simply dying to have Michael’s fans to support their “cause”. Therefore their primary aim is to brainwash Michael’s fans into thinking something like “So what if he did it? He made great music and was a genius. All geniuses have their flaws”.
Another reason for the pedophile lobby to be interested in persecuting Michael is distracting them from real crimes against children. Fight against him is a sort of a smokescreen for them. These people are the ones who do the first part of the job by fiercely attacking Michael. The idea is – while everyone is busy with MJ they can be sure that no one will pay attention to real criminals. And this is exactly what is taking place now.
Remember what Corey Feldman said about the “big secret” of Hollywood? He said that when he was 14 he was surrounded by pedophiles – SURROUNDED by them – but no one cared! He even told the police the name of the Hollywood mogul who molested him but they were not interested. They wanted Michael only, though Corey Feldman could not remember a single bad thing about Michael! And he is the one who should know!
The conclusion from Corey Feldman’s experience is that real pedophiles hold positions of power and are very influential people who can exert pressure on the police.
In case you missed it here is Corey Feldman’s interview again:
Guys, let me ask you to be top careful with the videos produced by these people. They are part of a very big and widespread new hatred campaign raging against Michael Jackson in the web now.
@vindicatemj, do you know who these people are and why they are spreading their hate all over the net ?
And a couple of words about Bob Jones. This time I couldn’t bring myself to watch Peretti’s filth, but I remember from the previous time I saw it that if you listen to him carefully you will not see him providing any facts or saying anything incriminating against MJ – all his story is made up is pauses, silence, some looks and things like that, and a big part of it is the doing of the author of the film.
Peretti makes long and affected pauses to set off phrases like “they would lie together on the carpet and imagine flying over Neverland” (as if it were something sinister!) or falls into a horrified silence for several minutes after hearing Bob Jones saying that “they were in the bedroom at night too”.
So what? All this has been chewed up for 19 years now, if we start from the year 1993! Of course if you take ANY phrase and add to it the look of horror on the listener’s face, long silence and sinister music it will turn into a horror film even we talk of an innocent thing like imagining flying over Neverland!
The film is edited in such a way that it conveys the impression that Bob Jones is saying something sinister. In fact Bob Jones even CANNOT say anything bad about Michael – simply because he didn’t know him and never had any personal relationship with him. In spite of him being his PR man he seems to be the man who knew Michael least of all. He worked mostly at home and seldom met Michael. As far as I remember he even tried to distance himself from him in order to be “his own master”.
So the whole of Peretti’s video is just a vulgar theater meant for the street crowd.
And as regards Diane Dimond’s words about Michael “bouncing” Jordan on his lap I’ve specially made a video for you to see that it is A DIRTY LIE!
First, Michael took the children to his seat because there were no more seats in the first row. And it was exactly Bob Jones who told us about it.
Second, it was Lily who sat on Michael’s lap. Her head bounces a little as she is leaning on Michael’s shoulder and he is clapping his hands. He also tenderly touches her curly head.
And third, Jordan did not sit on Michael’s lap – he sat on his SEAT, only in front of him. And we can prove it. Michael is moving to the rhythm of the music and Jordan IS NOT! He is sitting still while Michael is almost dancing. Jordan doesn’t even notice Michael waving his hands over his head, until Michael accidentally touches his hat.
Diane Dimond is a Dirty Liar with a Dirty mind, Dirty words and Dirty deeds.
It is time we renamed her into Dirty Diane.
But take a look here. In this video she states that Michael was bouncing the boy up and down on his lap in front of everybody. She adds that the scene was very embarrassing.”
OMG, Diane Dimond and Victor Gutierrez in Peretti’s “documentary” are saying so many lies and pour so much dirt on Michael that I consider this documentary much worse than anything Bashir ever did!
I touched upon it in this post (though the most of it is about Victor Gutierrez who is seen in the video sitting in a car): http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/for-the-attention-of-fans-of-perettis-film-about-michael-its-main-source-of-information-victor-gutierrez-is-a-suspected-nambla-member/
David also made a post about it: http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/fact-checking-the-documentary-michael-jackson-what-really-happened-by-jacques-peretti/ The “documentary” we were writing about was conveniently misnamed “Michael Jackson: what really happened”.
When it was first broadcast in October 2007 one of the viewers said about it: “It makes the Bashir piece look almost impartial. Unreal. I was disgusted”.
Now this documentary has been broken into Youtube episodes and is posted by Michael’s worst haters called MJnewsonline.NET site.
LET ME BRING EVERYONE’S ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS SITE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MJnewsonline.COM site – which was an international MJ fan club and which isn’t found on the web any more for some reason (?).
The place where this documentary comes are HATERS who assumed the name of a MJ fan forum, adding “net” instead of “com” to its name. These are the tricks they widely employ now. To see what their lair is like you can have a look here (not that I recommended it): http://www.mjnewsonline.net/
On Youtube they call themselves MJNOmjnewsonline – but these are the same people as they themselves state in the introduction to the video!
Now they are spreading lies from Peretti’s film under the name of “The story you have never heard” (mimicking “The footage you were never meant to see”).
But not only have we heard the false Diane Dimond and Gutierrez’s stories innumerable times but this Peretti’s film was broadcast again by French, German and other TV channels recently, in March 2011 (this is what I know of – the number of broadcasts may be a hundred times as much). So saying that we have never heard their lies is a grave understatement, meant to lure the public into watching this filth.
Guys, let me ask you to be top careful with the videos produced by these people. They are part of a very big and widespread new hatred campaign raging against Michael Jackson in the web now.
@sanemjfan
…”he has NO REMORSE for insinuating that MJ was guilty on MSNBC; in fact, he still believes MJ is guilty!’
I wonder if he truly believes MJ was guilty (is he that dumb?) or if he is just trying to save face. I don’t know what these people hope to gain by not admitting their mistakes. As time goes on they just look more and more like fools. They have dug themselves into a hole.
For those who haven’t read it, here is the Amazon website description (July 2009) of “The Man Behind the Mask”. At one time this would have been disturbing–now it’s good for a laugh:
‘Michael Jackson: The Man behind the Mask’ is the INSIDE STORY of the truth behind the rumors, ugliness and mystery surrounding Michael Jackson.Is Jackson just a confused person who got too much fame too soon or is he a cold and calculating villain who will stop at nothing to have his bizarre appetites satisfied? Now you can read about it for the first time from the man who knows everything!The author, Bob Jones, is not a journalist conducting interviews but somebody who has known and been with Jackson for 34 years as his chief of Public Relations; by his side since Michael was 11 years old. Bob Jones is the one person with this unique inside view of Michael Jackson’s world. To a certain degree, Bob Jones CREATED Michael Jackson. He created his image. For example, Bob Jones created Michael Jackson’s famous nickname “The King of Pop”.This book is explosive and will make any other book about Michael Jackson instantly forgotten. You won’t find this inside information anywhere else.
He used to write for Right On! magazine which did many pieces on MJ, he met and knew MJ from back in the 70s
Who is Jefferey Scott Beasley?
If you’re on KOP there’s someone there who goes by the nick “Writer” who has a story to share about Stacy Brown. Josephine Zohny would be a really good get because she also knew Jordan Chandler.
Jefferey Scott Beasley was around and in and out of that kind of circle back then, I don’t know if he knows any stories about Bob he could share but it might be worthwhile asking. For one thing, Bob Jones was gay and it was he himself who would be asking young male fans to speak alone with them for a bit….
Here’s the Bob Jones article, to say he praised MJ is an understatement, he said MJ was chosen by God….
BOB JONES: The Man Who Stands Firmly Behind the Man in the Mirror
Los Angeles Sentinel
9/2/93
By CAROLYN BINGHAM
Entertainment Editor
Do you believe in prophesy? I do. Now more than ever. Everyone is party to the fate that has befallen the legendary Michael Jackson recently, but no one, but perhaps Michael himself, feels it more than Bob Jones,vice president, MJJ Productions, Michael’s right arm.
This didn’t start out to be a piece in defense of the famous pop icon, nor when the interview was taped, were either Bob Jones or myself aware of the charges that would soon be leveled against the young superstar. We talked Wednesday, Aug. 18, three days prior to Jones accompanying Jackson on his now infamous world tour.
It started out to be a “what’s he really like” piece, but in light of recent events rearing their ugly head, I felt the public had a right to know Jones’ foreboding. He was a frightened man, but not in the way you’d suspect. Uncannily, although most probably, his fears were realized when he himself was least undupable. But herein lies Jones’ prophetic statements which in my naïveté, I thought his anxiety unfounded. After all, how could you stop the wake of Michael Jackson. But in his wisdom, he knew the inevitable. A curse came with Michael’s kind of stardom. A curse where he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn’t.
In a roundabout fashion, Jones took me back to his first days on the job in Michael’s camp. Prior to that he worked public relations for Motown and prior to that public relations with the famous firm of Rogers and Cowan Public Relations. “I came to work for Michael in December of 1987 and have not regretted it one bit. And I thought having worked with the Supremes, the Temptations, the Commodores, Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, the Four Tops–all of those people who were a part of the Motown stable–that I had seen it all. That I had seen everything America had to offer.
“All of a sudden, we went to the first out-of-the-country date. We went to Rome, Italy, and we played the Coliseum in Rome to 55,000 people. We did three nights at 55,000 persons per show. It was mind-boggling. I had never seen anything like this. To see zero blacks there. It was mind boggling, and to see that one black man had drawn all these people in to see this show, I was awe struck. We not only played Rome, we played touring Italy. We went to Paris, France, and the audiences kept growing, and we went to London, England, and played five nights at Wembley Football Stadium at 72,000 persons a show. All coming out to see this one black man. I saw white folks passing out and fainting and all of this sort of stuff, and I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe it, and it really frightened me.”
I sat perplexed in Jones’ office by his diffidence, but now I see the farsightedness in his statements. “Because I’m aware and a believer in the system … when you sit back and know that you can take the president and our mayors and our governors and put them all in a stadium together, and you can’t draw 20,000 people, and to see a black man draw these kind of people, I became frightened, because I know how this system operates.” Now for the prophecy.
“They are frightened. The system becomes frightened if they see a black man with this kind of power, and especially a black man that they don’t have total control over. That they have not given a white woman and who doesn’t have the white babies and the monies going back into the white system. A black man who is basically clean, that they can say nothing about, who neither smokes nor drinks.
“The system is not ready to conceive of this and who ( Michael) is like a pied piper to white youth. Who if he decides to make a statement or take sides in situations, I’m sure the same system would remove. It becomes detrimental to what the system in America, in the world, is all about. Nobody but the Pope has followings like this.”
We go off on another tangent, try to make him crazy. They try to do everything. The system would rather praise Elvis Presley, who we all know was a drug addict. They make every excuse in the world rather than say this man was a drug addict. He died from an OD of drugs. If they could just come back to the same sober fact. Jones feels Michael is in a league of his own, “He doesn’t deteriorate his body, his health. He’s a clean-liver, and if they could, I’m sure they would–well you read the press reports–they try to make him weird. They find Michael Jackson with a marijuana cigarette, forget all the other stuff, they’d destroy him.
“Anything that the system can’t control, it does not allow to exist. We’re not all of those who have dared challenge the system. I’m a firm believer, we live in a society that is programmed–these people are walking idiots, programmed idiots. That idiot box tells us what to buy, when to go–it’s football time so come watch your television show–and the couch potato goes plop. It’s amazing how man no longer uses his mind to think, and the system is aware and the system knows it. So they take advantage of it. In politics. In everything else.”
Jones intimate alliance with the standout superstar follows Michael Jackson for 30 years. He was there representing James Brown, and that was during the hey day of James Brown, when he had put out such records as ‘Say it Loud, I’m Black and I’m Proud,’ and he was the number one black man in America. I began to work on the Motown account. Among the acts that e Jackson Five first debuted their act in Los Angeles. He worked for Rogers and Cowan Public Relations when they were handling all the Motown acts. “I worked at Rogers and Cowan and learned from some of the best. At that time Rogers and Cowan was had the James Brown account. We had a party one night for James at The Playboy Club when it was on Sunset Boulevard. It was for an artist called Randy Crawford and a group called the De Felise Trio (excuse spelling). They were recording for James Brown’s sub label. “And we had a big press party at the Playboy Club which was from 6 to 9 p.m. At nine o’clock the same night, there was a party that Rogers and was also having at The Daisy Club to introduce a new group called the Jackson Five. So the people came to the party that I had for James, and then about 8:30-8:45, we shut down and everybody rushed over to The Daisy to be there for the debut of this young group that Motown was introducing. And that was the first night that I met The Jacksons and the first night that I saw them perform.
“I was still at Rogers and Cowan at the time, but I worked on The Jackson Five account also. I was covering all their interviews, etc. That was the beginning of my association with The Jacksons, and even though I was working at Rogers and Cowan, I would tour with The Jacksons when they toured on their first tour dates.”
That was the introduction of a lifelong cultivation of friendship between Jones and Michael. Of the juvenile Michael, Jones states, ” Michael was always a devilish little kid. He loved to play games and loved to run in your room and see what you had in there or if you had a beer or something in there because he was gonna go and tell the whole tour about it. He loved to pillow fight. He always loved animals and rodents and things like that. Actually, I don’t like rats and never have, and he had pet snakes, and I don’t like snakes, so he
always made it a point to run me around. Rats and snakes, that was enough to get me out of that room and as far away from him as I could.”
You can take sides if you chose to, and everyone has an opinion. I’ve met Michael, and I chose to believe the best about him. I saw his compassion and his loving kindness towards children. Yet, although I chose to believe all things, I know all things are not expedient for me. But Jones has lived with Jackson upwards of 30 years, and if there was an inkling towards misbehavior on Michael’s part, he would have gleaned it, or Michael is a darn good actor at espionage.
In ending this first of a two-part story on Jones’ long association with Michael, and what happens when mega-minds converge, let me end on Jones’ words and Jesus’ and not Michael’s detractors for we’ll all have to wait until the final verdict is in. And then will we even know the thing-in-itself, Jones’ above statements make it abundantly clear, can we ever be really sure? Jones told me, “God has given him some kind of gift, and he ( Michael) believes in sharing that gift. And he realizes that there is something that God has given him that is special, and that is the reason he does and shares with the kids and the youth the way he does.” Truth. God knows. Michael has always let his moderation be known to all men.
And in the immortal words of Jesus, “Let he who is without sin among you, cast the first stone.”
PART 2
One would assume creating a legacy for the eminent Michael Jackson is one easy task. Just sit back and let Michael do his thing. Not so, says Bob Jones, vice president, Communications and Media Relations, MJJ Productions, whose job it is to never let the superstar’s name die in the embers of oblivion, as has been the fate of many that have gone before him.
Bob Jones is mighty in battle for that cause, just as dynamic at what he does as Michael is potent in his performances and songs.
Jones as a dynamo, helps Michael, the diplomat, deal with the rigors of superstardom, while keeping Michael’s name going long after the superstar has ceased and deceased. It is Michael who makes the headlines, but Bob Jones who manufactures them.
Jones says, “There is an important factor that Michael feels. Michael has studied and read about all the legendary performers. He studied their mistakes, and he knows one thing, that if we don’t create a legacy, there will never be one for us. “Because until Natalie sang ‘Unforgettable,’ Nat Cole was forgotten. Sammy Davis–it’s only been four years–and you don’t hear anything. Sammy was the greatest, and he kissed a__ whenever he had to, to try to hold on to make you like him, and even though he was dying of cancer, he had to go out there, work around the world. “Whereas when theirs (whites) go down, they give them a talk show or something, so they won’t have to go through those struggles. There is none of that for us. When those football players come off that field, they either go to a cigarette company, a beer company or a whiskey company. That’s it. Otherwise it’s over. The white boys get announcers on television. There’s a whole new career that’s for them. It’s not for us, and my thing is to try to create a legacy for Michael.”
To date Jones has been successful at Michael’s bequeathal building, albeit even with the fame of Michael, Jones has hit snags in the way to immortalizing Jackson. Jones was able to get the renaming of the auditorium at the school Michael went to, to the Michael Jackson Auditorium. Jones has created awards such as The Boy Scouts coming out with a Michael Jackson Award, BMI Publishing has a Michael Jackson Award, as does Jack the Rapper, “To keep the name going. Because,” Jones says, “if you don’t darling, do you realize the greats that have gone down that have been black. You don’t hear anything about these people. It’s over for us once we are done. And if we don’t place your name on a building or your name somewhere …”
It isn’t an automatic given to assume Jones’ job is cushy. “It isn’t automatic,” he explains to me. “I’m working right now to try to get them to rename the elementary school Michael went to the Michael Jackson School. First they said, you’ve got to be dead. Why do you have to be dead? Your contributions are done while you’re alive.” Jones also bears the brunt of the trouble with the mural in Hollywood which they have been working towards more than three years. “We started over three years ago with the Hollywood Arts Council. They approached me about doing a mural for Michael Jackson. Then some red necks out of the woods said no we want Orson Wells. Anything but a black man up there on that wall. So it’s that kind of thing. Look, racism is alive and well and festering here in Los Angeles. I don’t fool myself.”
Jones came to inherit his job by a long arduous path. He got into the journalism business while attending USC. There he was a big fan of the late Walter Winchell and Louella Parsons. And he saw all the Hollywood parties going on and wanted to attend them. He started out by writing a column about kids in high school for the California Eagle, and that didn’t last long, and then he moved over to the Herald Dispatch where he was a writer and entertainment editor at the height of that publication. After syndicating his Hollywood column to more than 80 black newspapers, a little down the line he met Bobby Darin, who was quite an entertainer during those early days, he says.
They became fast friends, and that association would lead him to his next job as a publicist for Rogers and Cowan Public Relations. Jones had tried to secure a job at Motown earlier, but he says, “Now mind you, I had applied to Motown before going to Rogers and Cowan, and as typical of what we sometimes go through, I guess I didn’t qualify until I was accepted by Rogers and Cowan.”
From Rogers and Cowan, Jones went to Motown and thought he would die there. But as fate would have it, Michael Jackson called him one day after the release of “Bad.” Jones skeptical, they met, and Michael asked him what it would take to bring him on board, and Jones told him. Michael only had one stipulation, “He said, ‘you got the job as long as you handle telling Berry Gordy and not have me having any problems with Berry Gordy. We have a good relationship.’ I said Okay,” and Jones proceeded to make the transition from Motown to Michael’s camp.
Jones tells me that Michael was always a very, very inquiring mind, who wanted to know what was going on and who wanted to delve deeper of how things worked. “Perhaps,” he says, “a great degree of his success today is based on the fact that he had an inquiring mind, and he wanted to know and he wanted to explore and find out what was going on above and beyond his brothers.”
The Michael Jackson mystique and mania, Jones says he thinks is food to Michael Michael’s ego. “It’s soothing to know that God has given him this kind of a strength, and he doesn’t misuse or abuse it in the wrong manner.” Jones tells me of firings when people on Michael’s staff take advantage of the fans. Jackson doesn’t tolerate it.
Jones credits Michael Michael’s mother for much of the talent that Michael absorbed. “They don’t give his mother enough credit. They didn’t have a television during those early years back in Indiana, and they lived in what amounted to a box. And the mother liked country music. They’d have hootenannies and sing, because it was the way they entertained themselves, and that was what brought them along and developed this great thing. At least there was a togetherness. That everybody participated. I think it was the beginning of the end of that togetherness within the family.”
Jones says Michael is very close with his mother and tries to be close with his family, but it becomes difficult. “It becomes very difficult,” Jones emphasizes.
When I ask Jones is Michael a shrew businessman? he replies, “He’s a kid at heart, but he knows what he wants, and I have the good fortune that he knows me over the years. I don’t have to be a hand-holder.” He goes on to say that Michael doesn’t like entourages, and Michael’s very private. Jackson wants to be by himself. Jones find himself being the bull fighter in Michael’s arena. Jones fought to have the Oprah Winfrey interview advertised in Ebony and Jet and on BET. During those face-offs, Jones found himself saying, “Wait a minute, let’s back up. Oprah may not care, but that’s the reason I’m here. I care. And it’s most important. Michael Jackson is black, first and foremost.”
Besides acquiring certain properties for Michael’s private collection and handling all facets of the awards shows, it is Jones who goes to the black book stores and buys hundreds of black books at a time so that Michael knows who the black inventors are, so he knows who the black composers are.
“He has been educated about his people,” Jones says, “Those things are important, because if you don’t know where you came from and who you are, you don’t know where you’re going. And he knows, and he tells me all the time, ‘Bob don’t give up. Never give up, never say no,’ he says. ‘That’s what the system wants you to do is to say no and give up.’ And he says, ‘I never give up. I never disbelieve that it can’t happen.’” Jones says he has been around the entertainment industry for 40 years, but Jackson has taught him things, “and it causes me to continue to grow.”
Of Michael and Jones’ activities on his behalf, Jones states, “He’s a gentle … one of the nicest–he doesn’t use curse words. It’s like, because when I know what a dog-eat-dog world it is out here, thank God that he has me and a few others like me to fight off the lechers, because there there, and I’m able to become that alter ego and say go to hell. Because you won’t believe the propositions that come here.
“He is truly the nicest, and if there is anything such as being God-like, he doesn’t smoke, he doesn’t drink, he doesn’t believe in thinking bad thoughts. That’s why I am suspicious of most of them who come through here, because everybody has an agenda, and it’s either to get over or something, and we live in a society of that. The society we live in is ruthless, and it’s all the buck and nothing else, and that’s what America’s become. When I look at him ( Michael) I say, ‘It’s good that God chose you.’ That’s the way I look at it. It’s good that God chose you.”
@Rockforeveron
I know that MuzikFactoryTwo has conducted two interviews with Stacy Brown on her blog, and I’ve personally clashed with him on Twitter (he has NO REMORSE for insinuating that MJ was guilty on MSNBC; in fact, he still believes MJ is guilty!)
Do you know what paper Bob Jones’ article was in? Maybe we can find it on Highbeam or Google.
Bob Jones also wrote a piece in a newspaper before the allegations in 1993 about what a saint he thought Michael was.
I’m not sure if it would be possible but there are fans who’ve had first hand dealings with Bob Jones and Stacy Brown and might be interested in speaking about it in an article, maybe you guys could contact them?
@Marina Aparecida
Thank you! That was an excellent observation! You really know your stuff! Not a lot of fans know that Bob Jones wrote the forward to Lisa Campbell’s book, so I’m glad that you brought that up. In a few weeks I’m going to summarize and analyze all of Bob Jones and Stacey Jones’ lies from their testimony and their book “Man Behind The Mask”, so stay tuned!
Diane Dimond is a contradictory person as well as all slanderous people.
We can hear and read above:
Diane Dimond: And you do know Ryan, if indeed the charges were true…………nope, let me say it this way………you do know Ryan that a child molester does not molest in front of other people! They’re very secretive, they’re very crafty. Anybody at the FBI, who wrote the profile of what a pedophile is, will tell you that they’re the most charming, fascinating, engaging people in all of criminal life!
But take a look here:
In this video she states that Michael was bouncing the boy up and down on his lap in front of everybody. She adds that the scene was very embarrassing. Watching this video, it would appear to me that Michael is reacting to the sound of music.
On the other hand, Bob Jones should be ashamed of his contradiction too (I know he has already passed way), if we compare his attitude in this video with his foreword in Lisa’s Campbell book – “Michael Jackson The King of Pop’s darkest hour”, where he talks about the same subject. We can read there:
“Lisa has presented here a fair overview of the
events that took place when Michael became the victim
of false and cruel allegations, and the irresponsible
persecution he suffered at the hands of the media. We
have long been the victims of rumors and lies through
the media but nothing could have prepared us for that
to which he was recently subjected.
Michael experienced pain and humiliation to a
depth he never realized existed. The tremendous
distress he suffered during this period had profound
effects on him both emotionally and physically. He has
now overcome those difficulties with knowledge of his
complete innocence and his deep faith in God.”
“His goal is to spread pure and simple love around
the world. Children are his greatest source of joy. That
is a part of him which will not ever change.”
Here is a video interview of Anthony DeCurtis of Rolling Stone that was conducted on June 26th, 2009. It’s amazing how knowledgeable he is of MJ’s musical accomplishments and influence in this interview (and this round table with Dimond), yet when the subject of the allegations came up, he sat there like a bump on a log! He didn’t have a word to say! (Click the “streaming video” link to view the video.)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/jan-june09/mjanalysis_06-26.html
“What you’ve been saying is true about the use of repetitive phrases. ..when anyone who really knew Michael firsthand says he was caring, kind and loving are never wasted and well-worth repeating and the more the better.”
BG, and also the word “innocent”. I think the other word (you know which one) should be totally forgotten by us when we talk of Michael Jackson. Even with “not”!
Michael’s supporters of course mean well when they say, “He wasn’t a ..” but without knowing it they are doing him only more harm. They allow themselves to be led by the media who know perfectly well what they are doing.
Let us agree to never use the word with Michael’s name, okay? In fact in this blog it is a rule, but I would very much like to see it as a rule in Michael’s community as a whole. Many fans by the way avoid the word instinctively, as they simply cannot bring themselves to put it beside Michael’s name (I can’t).
And BG, you’ve found another good use for the word “yellow” – yes, Diane’s reporting is indeed yellow!
P.S. Guys, you may be surprised that I am getting increasingly more interested in the ways the media did it to Michael, and some might think it a far-fetched idea that media is using psychological methods of brainwashing the public. But I just noticed some things and couldn’t help looking into them. And when I found that there is a special journal called “Journal of media psychology: Theories, Methods, and Applications”, containing lots of articles on the subject, it became clear that media people are even learning how to do that – in “theory, method and application”.
@ vindicatemj What you’ve been saying is true about the use of repetitive phrases, which is why when anyone who really knew Michael firsthand says he was caring, kind and loving are never wasted and well-worth repeating and the more the better. The truth is necessary to overcome the abuse knowingly inflicted on all of us by the likes of the lie-peddling Dimond, even if she, herself, was used and abused by corrupt officers of the justice system. Oh and it’s her reporting that’s yellow, the wall is really white!
Lynette, it seems to me that both the media and Sneddon abused their power – the obligation of prosecutors is to prosecute criminals and not to set up innocent people, and the media’s obligation is to inform people of true information and not tell lies or play nasty jokes on others. Both were involved in ugly things and each played an ugly part of his own.
But as regards Sneddon it is interesting to note that all Michael’s detractors are trying to distance themselves from him now – very few of them recall him or pronounce his name. Speaking about the media and how cleverly they mask their bias, did you notice the strange slant in Dimond’s vocabulary in that recent show? She never mentions Sneddon but says “prosecution” only, she does not call Michael by his full name, but says Jacko instead (if I am not mistaken) but she pronounces the word “ped-le” so clearly, with so much emphasis and so many times that this alone shows that she came to the show with an agenda of her own.
I know that you are right about that Helena repetition is how we learn a task and it has a lot to do with how we are shown what we learn. In this case it started with the Bashir program where he asks Michael about having boys sleep in his bed. Michael answers the question fully and completely but Bashir had it edited to say something different. I finally realised where this misconception came from. In the trial briefs the prosecution wanted to admit the Bashir piece, not all of it for the truth of the matter asserted, just a certain portion of it. That portion was the portion that has Michael in Miami when Hamid was filming him. That was when Bashir asked him that leading question that Michael did not pay attention to and he answered it “yes”. Well that was all the prosecution wanted the jury to consider for the truth of the matter asserted which to them was that Michael said he slept with boys. The rest they were calling hearsay and self serving hearsay because of course Michael went on to explain himself and that can only be heard in the out takes filmed by Hamid Moslehi. When they did that they were saying he said yes and yet he did not which can clearly be heard. First Bashir actually asks him about children not boys.Michael says yes and he continues yet the only part they wanted admitted was up to the word “yes”. Then Michael makes it plain from the first time with Gavin that he shared his bed meaning he gave it to the company and he slept on the floor. At no time does Michael say he sleeps with boys but it has been repeated that way over and over again. He clearly explains that he gives the beds to the company just like every other person has said that has been in his bedroom suite. So from now on when someone says that he admits that he slept with boys give them the correct answer. No he said he gave the bed to the company and he took the floor.
There are also a lot of misconceptions out there based on the court documents that untrained people are reading and using. If you are going to interpret some of the language in a trial brief you should know what some of the legal phrases mean. A good example would be the two terms ” based on information and belief” and “not for the truth of the matter asserted”. Both of those are legal phrases having specific and special meanings when added to a pleading. The term information and belief means that the person is qualfying a statement they are making, not from what they know, but from what they have been told and that they believe what they are told, otherwise it is rank hearsay and cannot be used as testimony or evidence. Then there is the term “not for the truth of the matter asserted”. That means that some evidence that would be considered hearsay is not to be taken as the truth of that hearsay but is offered for another reason altogether.
I look at some of the things that Diane Dimond writes and says about Michael and people like her and Bashir and I just shake my head at how awful they are but they are the media. The one that is truly to blame for what happened to Michael in 2003 and 2005 was Tom Sneddon. He had a media machine working for him and he played it. Those guys were just doing a job, as distasteful and unpleasant as they are but Sneddon was the one that abused his power when he brought that case to trial once he found out what the Arvizos really were about. He had a choice and no one will ever know what drove him to that choice but he could have ended that case before he searched that ranch by investigating the Arvizo family as well as Michael. That whole thing was a one sided investigation from start to finish in 1993 and in 2003. They searched everything about Michael and never investigated or searched through the Chandler houses or the houses that Janet Arvizo lived in. If they had they would have known what they were doing was wrong and when he did find out he just twisted the charges so they fit his agenda. That is what is known as an abuse of power.
Ares, if you are talking of the analogy with Michael Jackson – NO, the wall is definitely NOT yellow!
But what I wanted to show to everyone by speaking about a “not yellow wall” is the lingering effect of some word if it is repeated a hundred times. You know that the wall is not yellow, but the moment you recall the word “wall” “yellow” springs into your memory together with it. Why?
This is a psychological effect and it has nothing to do with psychiatry. Psychology studies why a healthy human being behaves in this or that way and how human memory, perception, emotions work. Diane Dimond is absolutely sane in the technical meaning of the word. She is simply using (on purpose) a well-known psychological mechanism every teacher of foreign languages is familiar with.
I’ll explain. If you want someone to remember the word “yellow” it is absolutely not enough to state the word as it is. How will a foreign language student remember this word if you do not put this word into a context? You show him pictures and give this word in various combinations – a yellow wall, a yellow book, a yellow lemon.
Or speak of a girl in a yellow dress who is eating a yellow apple and is sitting in a yellow car which is driving up to a yellow house with a yellow fence and garden with yellow flowers in it.
You’ve guessed it – the word is best remembered in a text and the more colorful the context is the better the memory effect is. If a bright picture of a girl in a yellow car has been implanted into your memory it is just enough for you to remember the image to recall the necessary word.
Diane Dimond is doing absolutely the same with Michael Jackson and … (that other word). She is painting the same kind of picture and is implanting it into our memories in the same way I did it with a “yellow girl”.
And what does it matter if I insert NOT into the picture?
NOTHING.
The girl not in a yellow dress is not eating a yellow apple and is not sitting in a yellow car which is not driving up to a yellow house which has no yellow fence and no garden with yellow flowers in it.
Though I inserted “not” into the same text you still memorized the word “yellow”, don’t you? Actually almost nothing changed? The same girl and the same yellow are still coming together?
So this is exactly what the media has been doing to Michael Jackson all these long years. They repeated these words in association with Michael not a dozen times (the way I did it now), but thousands, probably millions of times and for many years at that. They wanted him and that word to merge and form a firm link of associations. Even if they were using NOT with it.
They could have very well gone without the repetition of that word because there a lot of other ways of saying the same thing – but no, they insisted on refreshing in people’s memory of the old and nasty image.
The damaging effect Diane Dimond did to Michael in that program by repeating “I am not saying he was ..” is impossible to calculate. Is it horrendous.
And this is why they introduced her into the show at the last minute. Someone wanted her to speak of the “old things” and wanted to nullify new associations formed in people’s minds – Michael Jackson was a great father, Michael Jackson was innocent, Michael Jackson was slandered, Michael Jackson was harassed, Michael Jackson was a loving soul, Michael Jackson had a heart of gold, Michael Jackson was a great human being…
And this is why the sincere and genuine words said by those bodyguards were also very good in support of Michael. The recollections of these people are drawing a different image of Michael in people’s minds, and though they are unable to undo the damage done by Dimond’s tricks, they still leave a warm feeling in their hearts.
- Okay, guys. Test your memory now. What color is the wall?-
Helena, the wall is definetely NOT yellow. But Diane Dimond is definetely a delusional woman who needs a psychiatric help.
I wonder what explanation they gave to Joe Vogel?
Joe Vogel did not provide any when he tweeted on August 28, 2011 – he just said that he was replaced at the last minute. However Dimond lashed out at him even for that, as if he was responsible for the replacement and shouldn’t have informed his readers about the changes. How can anyone talk to this woman if she picks on you for something you did not do?
This is from Twitter:
JoeVogel1 Joe Vogel
Busy week ahead, including interviews w/ Positively Michael (wed.), CNN’s HLN (Friday), and MJ Preservation Project (Sun.)
22 Aug
JoeVogel1 Joe Vogel
The HLN taping is this Friday but will air in early September. I’ll let everyone know the exact time/date when I know.
But then:
JoeVogel1 Joe Vogel
Never mind about my scheduled appearance on HLN. Just found out I was replaced on the panel. People will hear from Diane Dimond instead
15 hours ago
Diane Dimond answered:
DiDimond Diane Dimond
@ @JoeVogel1 What are you talking about? I had nothing to do with picking a panel and you’ve got all Jacko fans screaming for my head. Come on
7 hours ago
DiDimond Diane Dimond
@ @JoeVogel1 you have no idea what you’ve unleashed on my head.
6 hours ago
Joe Vogel:
JoeVogel1 Joe Vogel @
@DiDimond Never said you picked the panel. Read the tweet
10 hours ago
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/118432-Joe-Vogel-replaced-by-Diane-Dimond-on-HLN
Julie, let me shake your hand. Fully agree with you!
No, he doesn’t look like an idiot, so it must be the second variant.
David, all these questions why they invited two bodyguards against a seasoned shark like Dimond, should be addressed to the TV company in the first place. They know perfectly well that the experience of their guests in handling the TV audience is incomparable, so this mismatch was totally intended.
The program was something about real Michael Jackson. If they really wanted to hear what he was like as a human being they should have never invited Dimond AT ALL. She never talked to him, she never met him in person, so what was she doing there then?
The TV company should have had the decency to invite someone who at least met Michael – for example, Taraborrelli. And what was the purpose of inviting Dimond? Only to refute anything good those two bodyguards would say.
I don’t see any fault in the words of these two men. They spoke up for Michael as best as they could and their sincerity was their best recommendation. Their genuine feelings and spontaneous words were a big treat to see in comparison with the well-rehearsed monologue of this mechanical doll.
Okay, guys. Test your memory now. What color is the wall?
Not yellow?
BG, I wholeheartedly agree with your words. Could not say it better. These men did a very good job! Especially considering that Dimond gave them very little chance to speak.
I’ve listened to two parts of what she is saying and could not force myself to listen to any more of it. It is a total nightmare.
First, she constantly refers to “what the prosecution said”. What does it matter what the prosecution said?
The prosecution LOST their case and did not prove at the trial ANY of the points she is repeating now!
How much longer will this incessant chewing up of the old gum go on? People are behaving in a way as if there had been no trial! They repeat the same accusations again and again, as if we are just at the beginning of the case…
Second, I am utterly disgusted by the way she constantly repeats “I am not saying that Michael Jackson was a p-le”. What is she doing?
Diane Dimond is repeating her mantra as a propaganda activist who employs the tricks of her profession! She knows perfectly well that the more you repeat a statement even in its negative form, the stronger is the impact and the more lasting the impression is.
This is the CLASSICS of the genre and is based on human psychology. The goal is to establish a fixed connection between two words – Michael Jackson and … (this other word). You repeat it a hundred times and here you are – the old allegation is refreshed in people’s memories and is firmly implanted in their minds.
To explain to everyone that she is doing it on purpose, please answer the following question – if you think that the wall in front of you is not yellow, will you constantly say “This wall is not yellow”?
No, you won’t? Absolutely the same principle applies here! If she doesn’t think Michael to belong to that class she should not say it AT ALL. It would be quite enough to say just once – I’ve never thought that he was capable of anything bad (without naming the word), and that’s it.
And this constant talk like “I do not say that the wall is yellow. Do you think it is not yellow? Who also thinks it is not yellow? Why do you say it is not yellow? You’ve always thought it is not yellow?” etc., is only implanting in your memory that the wall is indeed yellow.
This woman is like a parrot who is playing one and the same tune no matter where she goes, just to refresh in everyone’s memory that the wall is yellow. While in fact it is absolutely not.
I agree. HLN or any other media outlet for that matter would never put Diane Dimond in the same room with Aphrodite Jones, Tom Messereau, Geraldine Hughes or a knowledgeable fan. Dimond constantly contradicted herself and had no basis for her claims in that interview. When talking about the 93 settlement she says “Don’t say he had the money because he wasn’t working” What!!!! That’s not why he settled but that doesn’t change the fact that Michael was in the middle of promoting Dangerous tour….but he wasn’t working?
I think the American media as the worst in the world.
I put the media on a par with the British tabloids. These media destroy our world. It is pure evil.
Changing media in these countries is a big step to repair the world.
Dimond, Sneddon and other bad people destroyed Michael in the cruelest possible way. They hurt an innocent man in a way so horrible that you can not breathe. They not only hurt Michael. They hurt the whole world. (heal the world). They hurt children, who helped Michael. They hurt his family and his fans. They hurt man who did nothing wrong. They hurt an innocent man.
Diane Dimond is heartless.
@TatumMarie
Thank you! I felt the same thing as I watched this when it premiered back in September, and I felt so furious that I started writing this rebuttal ASAP! But I don’t blame Manning and Garcia; they tried their best, but ultimately it HLN’s fault because they deliberatly chose people who they knew weren’t knowledgeable about the cases because they didn’t want anyone to upstage Dimond.
Thank you for uploading this HLN report, I never saw this. This is so infuriating that Diane Dimond is on this show and what’s even more infuriating is that they can’t even correct her about the origin or amount of the settlement. I wonder if anyone of them knew that Dimond and Michael were feuding back and forth and he was suing her for slander along with all the proven false stories she’s been involved in.
While we’re on the topic of the JC Penney settlement, here is the full explanation of how she extorted them, for those of you who don’t know the whole story (at the bottom of this post): http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/analyzing-the-media’s-hypocrisy-in-reporting-on-michael-jackson’s-settlements-vs-the-settlements-of-other-celebrities-part-2/
So saying that the JC Penney guards beat you and sexually harrassed you, while it was your own husband who beat you, is “just exaggerating”? Wow, just wow. That just shows Sneddon’s standards.
And just in case here is the actual definition of exaggerate or exaggerating
1.
to magnify beyond the limits of truth; overstate; represent disproportionately: to exaggerate the difficulties of a situation.
2.
to increase or enlarge abnormally: Those shoes exaggerate the size of my feet.
So is it a lie when you go beyond the limits of truth?
lynande51
Thank you for that ,,So funny!!!
It no secret I am awful at computers …but Wm Wagener had one out about Jim Moir from inside edition …giving an accurate account of what Mac said and how it never got to mainstream media..in 2005
That was a joke too..
I cant follow every link on this page as there are so many exonerating mj ….but if you ever get a chance to go to Larry Nimmer youtube page where he is interviewing Mr Jim Moir ?from inside edition….outside the Murray Trial………and Larry puts the camera down ..and this guy starts talking in a very real way….if it isnt here someplace on this site …it should be…
For some reason I am locked out of youtube??
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thanks for all you do
Goodnight
Sometimes we should all take a time out for a good laugh. Not all reporters were against Michael in 2005.Some of the ones that could have spoken out were stifled by the gag order. One of them was Rita Crosby who interviewed Janet and her kids at Neverland on Feb. 21st, 2005. They told her the usual schpeil about him doing wonderful things for the family and that Michael was going to buy them a big new house. She couldn’t say anything publicly because of the letter that Sneddon sent to certain people that said they were going to be witnesses and therefore they were subject to the gag order that was in place. So anyway I was searching through You Tube looking for that interview which I have not found but here is a parody on her interview after the verdict with Tom Sneddon.You’re going to love when he says that exaggeration is not the same thing as lying. What?
@SaneMJFan
Remember, Joe Vogel had originally been scheduled to be in Diane’s place on that very show. Guess they figured they couldn’t have an entirely pro-MJ group…
I tried to watch that supposed round table discussion and couldn’t get through the Diane Dimond garbage. I know that I’m preaching to the choir, but my gosh — she covers herself by saying that she’s not calling Michael a child molester — but then at every opportunity she throws in what the prosecution said. I’m sorry but I thought Michael Jackson went to trial in 2005 and was acquitted. I didn’t realize she was holding a mock trial during the round table discussion. She smiles while she’s stabbing MJ in the back. The host, who seems like a nice person, must either be an absolute idiot or is just doing what his producers are telling him to do because he’s obviously not done any research on Michael Jackson either.
@ sanemjfan I do get your point and didn’t think you were attacking. You were educating
and that is a good thing. Just felt the need to say the things I did. It’s easy for us to say we know this or that or that we would have said this or that, but when it comes down to it, we are not the ones in front of the cameras and they can only say what they know to be true. In a perfect world we would all know everything and have all the answers at our fingertips, unfortunately that is not the case. I hope one day you will be the one in front of the cameras sitting across from Dimond – that I would pay to see! Keep up the great work!
@BG
I respect what you’re saying, and I wasn’t trying to attack Steve Manning or Mike Garcia, but I was merely trying to use them as an example that fans should not emulate when defending MJ. Yes, they knew MJ personally, so when they talk about how great of a person he is, they have a lot of credibility. But they were not with him 24/7, so someone who is skeptical of MJ’s innocence could challenge them by saying “But you weren’t there with MJ and those kids!” That’s where facts have to come in, and unfortuantely neither Manning nor Garcia provided any! In fact, Manning looked totally clueless by asking Dimond if it was true that Ryan’s father committed suicide! (He obviously mistaked Jordan Chandler for Ryan White!)
You don’t have to be a legal scholar or a media pundit in order to effectively prove that MJ was innocent; myself,the other admins, and the readers of this blog are living proof of that. We’ve started out clueless about the allegations (at some point in our lives), and gradually we have all learned the facts inside and out. If we as fans can become knowledgable about the facts, then why can’t MJ’s friends and family? Wouldn’t you assume that they would WANT to know the facts backwards and forwards? Wouldn’t it be great if Jermaine could rely on facts instead of relying on Evan Chandler’s suicide to prove MJ was innocent? (The fact that he killed himself doesn’t in and of itself mean MJ was innocent.) Why is it that fans always have to do the hard work when it comes to cleaning up MJ’s legacy? Why is it that the Jackson family can grant interviews to the same media hacks like Jay Leno and Joy Behar when it’s time to promote their projects, but won’t stand up for MJ?
I was very disappointed in them, and very disappointed (but not surprised) that HLN had them on as guests. They don’t want anyone who could go toe to toe with Dimond with facts, and they got what they wanted! If you were skeptical about MJ’s innocence, would watching that debate sway you in MJ’s favor? Of course not!
Someone who watched the video on YouTube left the following comment, and there are a lot of other fans who share my disappointment in Garcia and Manning.
Looking at the Sneddon and Zonen, Dimond, people like McManus and the Arvizos, it is difficult to work out just who used who the most but perhaps the answer lies at the top of that little chain of names.
@ ares The only reason I can see for the media not questioning Dimond’s close association with the prosecution is that perhaps she is seen as one of their own and looking at her would be like looking into the mirror for them. But I agree Dimond’s role and the prosecution’s alleged use of her should have been examined very closely and very extensively because it would not be the first time Zonen has used media to support a case. There is the case of Jesse James Hollywood where Zonen handed over confidential files from which a book (“Stolen Boy”) and a film (“Alpha Dog”) were made before Jesse James Hollywood’s trial. Zonen was reprimanded and replaced as the lead prosecutor in that case. Hollywood was subsequently convicted. But my point concerns the modus operandi of Zonen in his use of the media in that case and the similarities when considering Dimond’s role and the books that have been written both in relation to the Chandlers and Michael himself – books by Guiterrez, Chandler, Stacy Brown/Bob Jones and Dimond.
The prosecution and Larry Feldman “handled” the Arvizos differently than the Chandlers. It seems they had learnt from the Chandler case in that the Arvizos should not give the obvious appearance of extorting money from Michael Jackson. It is suspected that stacking conspiracy charges onto the other charges was the only thing they could do to explain the Arvizos’ acceptance of Michael’s generosity following the airing of the Bashir interview. But isn’t it just a little (or a lot) incongruous for some to say that Michael Jackson must have been guilty in the Chandler case because it was settled but they don’t have anything to say about the decision to go to trial in the Arvizo case, and yet at the same time they don’t have anything to say about the obvious extortion in the Chandler case, yet they are quick to say the Arvizos weren’t after money. How’s that for twisting things to suit the spin?
Although the Arvizos weren’t able to obtain any more money from Michael as a result of the trial, they appear to have done quite well. Ad hominen or not, an examination of their sources of assistance may turn up some interesting people, people who may be forever tied together because their interests against Michael converged in that farce of a trial against him.
While I respect Linda Deutsch, in her rebuttal of Tom Mesereau she did not take into account the history of the media reporting on Michael Jackson, neither did she take into account the actual biased reporting that went on during the trial from reporters who attended the trial each day just as she did. Other reporters heard the same things Deutsch did but the impartiality she displayed was lacking in others, and it wasn’t confined to television reporting either. Not questioning the integrity of Deutsch or her championship of First Amendment rights, just pointing out that anomaly in her rebuttal.
Also, while I agree that when defending Michael people do often come up with the same arguments by saying he was a loving, kind person or that he loved the innocence of children etc., these things are the most true, deep and lasting impressions they have of Michael and to them, while they may not have studied all the details of the Chandler and Arvizo cases, those qualities of the man they knew personally is the ultimate answer for them. The reason they knew Michael personally is why they are questioned and willing to answer questions in the first place and I do think the phrases that are repeatedly used to describe Michael are not wasted. Manning and Garcia are not lawyers, they are not biased reporters, they are just people who knew Michael and who actually can speak about their firsthand experiences and it’s wonderful that they were given a platform. I think they did a good job in remaining calm and continuing to press their points . Their truth was heard.
Congratulations on shedding more light on Dimond-speak. And yes, she has also learned over the years how to sprinkle her words with a little…. saccharin, but still she can’t help herself, she does slip every time, as you have pointed out. Then again, she has to.
I’ve finally added all of the videos of the special! 4 videos of the panel discussion, and 4 videos of the live Q&A session with callers!
Guys, I’ve FINALLY added the video of the entire roundtable discussion! It’s at the beginning of the post!
Unfortunately I just realized that the first portion of the segment is missing, and I’m working on getting it uploaded, and as soon as it’s up I’ll let everyone know!
I added parts 1 and 2 of 5 of the post-roundtable interview where they accepted questions from callers, and tomorrow I’ll add more videos, including the video of the actual roundtable discussion!
@ Suzy,
“Now that Sneddon and Zonen are retired are the Arvizos ready to go to the media and cash-in on their “story”? Will we see Gavin on all kind of shows now spouting his lies and trashing MJ?”
Suzy I doubt it. Do not think both men are not aware we now possess the court documents. Zonen may be trying to find a way to ease the boys in to a more public life, but I doubt there will be books and so on.. Our level of knowledge concerning the trial and the behind screen shenanigans has only increased. We are better equipped and have more public resources then in the past where only they and the Media ruled.
The article from ContactMusic came by way of a series of missteps on the part of the Fans. What started off with one Fan finding the Zonen wedding pictures and reporting it to a few others grew until it became widely known and was picked up or told to some bored writer who hoped to draw numbers to the article and maybe piss off the Fans at the same time. By now everyone should be aware neither the Arizos or Chandlers are going to speak up so continued pleading or harassing serves no purpose and detracts from what is important.
Teva
sadly , I am thinking you are probably right..It wasnt enough to destroy the guy, but his legacy and all the things he stood for.
They keep trying to perpetuate that garbage..
Even in the face of the truth.
I swear if they saw MJ washing the feet of the poor alongside mother theresa, the headline would be he has a foot fetish…
and to watch them patting themselves on the back is really hard.
my only consolation is that their circle is getting smaller, like the core players who keep hanging onto this crap like a dog with a bone.
i am just going to continue calling them out on it for him and his children..
Even that trial brought some positive stuff, if I remember well one of his bodyguard spoke about his children and the mask.
Well, when the trial is over we should take all our dedication to her and disclose the public her true character !!!
@Nan
In addition DD decided 18 yrs ago to marry her career to Michael Jackson. She needs to keep the deviant MJ angle going. This trial was a blessing and a curse for her because she got to chant “drug addict”, but it is written in stone to all but the willfully ignorant that Michael Jackson genuinely cared about children, and he had vitiligo. Two things her “souces” close Jackson said weren’t true.
@Nan
IMO their motive is to corrupt the legacy. It is not enough for him to be dead, but they want to shape the way he is remembered as well. Before MJ died theirs were the only voices heard in the media, but things have changed and it less skewed. His Children, Mesereau, family, fans, estate and friends have said some very good things about him and his character. In addition the fans have worked hard to clean up the public image with the uncovering of the Gardener School, Vanguard award, Discovery Channel protest, etc, and have made some positive strides. The public is taking a more sympathetic look at Michael, and people like DD will do anything to keep his name in the mud where they put it. As for all of them banding together – water seeks its own level.
sometimes i feel like i need a shower after reading DD page..
The thing that concerned me is Adrian has recently becomes friends with Stacey Brown and both him and DD were saying how she would know about MJ because she worked at Neverland, talking her up..I wonder what they are up to …..so I wrote this..
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I have read Adrians court testimony …Adrien and the rest of the neverland 5 sold stories to tabloids to finance their suit against Jackson., using atty Michael Ring……..these stories, of course were in direct contrast to the deposition given in 93 , …………..they lost their lawsuit and lost the counter suit by Jackson alleging they stole from him,,,,, , they ended up owing Jackson 1.6 million dollars ….Jackson was also entitled to a hearing for punitive damages, but he declined and took 1 dollar instead….if i was Adrian , Jackson wouldnt be one of my favorite people and………neither would tom mesereau as he destroyed her credibility on cross examination in a matter of minutes…”(( i certainly am taking her remarks regarding him with grain of salt..
these court transcripts are all over the internet..these are just a few of the facts of that case
Yesterday on the positively Michael podcast Mr Mesereau was talking about how he wasnt surprised that all the people stick together..(like the arviso boys being at the wedding) as they were all so invested in the outcome….I hope that is the case and these people arent plotting more smear campaigns..
On a happier note , DD was asking people to like and comment on her new daily beast article .i assume because she was getting lots of negative comments..:))
Wow, they are really a gang,aren’t they? They have found each other and support each other and i’m pretty sure that they have even convinced themsefs that MJ was all that sinister things so they don’t feel any regret for what they did to him.It amazes me that no one in the media hasn’t ever question Diane implications with Sneddon and all those people who have accused MJ.
They really have no shame.
I see she presents herself as very religious. Maybe someone should send her the part about bearing false witness from the Ten Commandments…
She’s also a Sarah Palin supporter. Why am I not surprised? LOL.
@ Nan
Yes, that’s certainly her! Her exterior definitely matches her interior! LOL!
isnt this person who is commenting on diane dimonds facebook page, regarding her latest daily beast aticle the adrian mcmannus from the trial
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001622234607
she has all the people who screwed over mj on there
thanks for finding this video of Sneddon..Sometimes I worry that this stuff will disappear off the internet