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An Insider’s Letter About Michael Jackson’s Women. Part 2. CHECKING IT UP WITH FRANK CASCIO’S HELP

January 16, 2013

We are still discussing a reader’s letter published in the National Enquirer on June 12, 2004. The goal is to find out whether it was written by a former Michael’s employee, who knew all secrets about his “thoroughly heterosexual” love life or by a fan who was simply inventing things about the idol.

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The four of them together.  The star in this picture is June Chandler. I don’t like the way Jordan Chandler is looking at her

The author of the letter states that it was June Chandler, and not her son Jordan, who was involved with Michael in 1993 case and this is why we have our own specific interest about this letter.

It says that Jordan got jealous of his mother and Michael’s attention to her. Previously we also noticed some signs pointing in this direction and if the letter is proven authentic the author’s statement about June Chandler will turn for us into a precious gem to crown all the work done in this blog by now.

The good thing about the letter is that the author is providing details only an insider could know. He says that Michael was neither gay, nor pedophile, but was thoroughly heterosexual and the word “thorough” here is what I like most as it leaves no space for any other types of sexuality except Michael’s love of women.

For the circumstances of publishing the letter and its details already proven to be correct please see this post , however if you don’t want to run back and forth between the two posts here is the letter again for your convenience:

Nor gay or phedofile [sic]

2004-06-12

You people are so gullible! I love it, it’s hilarious.

Anybody who genuinely knows Michael (which is none of you), knows that Michael is straight – almost to a fault of himself, considering that he doesn’t look like the most masculine of brothas. You’re so quick to believe Scott, which is hysterical because if you knew their history, you’d know how weirded out Michael was by Scott’s advances. Michael’s not overtly homophobic, but he is old school and isn’t completely comfortable with it. However, given the nature of his profession, he has tried his best to be accepting and because he tries to be a good Christian, he does not judge, he leaves that to God. He still gets incredibly uncomfortable by advances by anything remotely male….which brings us to Scott. Scott made a pass at Michael. Michael ignored it, initially. The second time, Michael told him to back the #### off (in more polite language, of course…Michael was still quite young and sweet and innocent back in the ’80s, if a dude tried something similar NOW, he might get punched in the face). They haven’t spoken since then. The closest he ever got to Michael after about ’84 was that his boyfriend was friends with Priscilla Presley’s makeup artist. The two haven’t spoken since Scott tried to get all up on Mikey.

One may ask themselves, if his motive for coming forward now was out of some sort of moral obligation and a desire to crush MJ’s “strategy” of declaring himself heterosexual, why didn’t he come forward in 1993? Maids, cooks, ex-guards, everybody and their momma was coming forward with “claims,” why not then? Or, if the motivation behind this is genuine concern for the welfare of children and not money, why not go to the police with the things you’ve seen (i.e. Scott claiming to have seen child porn on Michael’s nightstand)?

Simple, none of it happened and Scott was still livin’ the life with all of Liberace’s dough. Poverty brings forth all sorts of “memories.” Isn’t it convenient that just as soon as his cash stash is running dry, he tells the world he had sex with Michael Jackson?

Please.

Let me break this down for you people and pay attention because I don’t like doing it more than once. Michael Jackson is thoroughly heterosexual. He does not like men. He does not like boys. He likes women over the age of 18. Shiiiiit, even before he was 18, he liked women well over the age of 18. It’s no secret within certain circles that Diana Ross was his first. The poor guy thought he was going to marry her but she fucked him over with Gene Simmons and Arne Naess. He was pretty naive back then, so he chose not to see the obvious. Then he was celibate for about 3 years, before becoming involved with a pretty, blond employee of his, an actress from a popular ’80s/early ’90s sitcom, a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the sh.it back in the day, some groupie/secretary, June Chandler (the mother of punk bitch Jordan who got jealous of mommy’s relationship with Michael) and, of course, Lisa Marie. Lisa Marie was the only one he allowed himself to become more than just sexually involved with since Diana, that boy was sprung. Lisa Marie, however, led him to believe they would have a family of their own, but stayed on the pill anyway because even if she said she was a rebel, the little bitch didn’t want mommy dearest to get mad at her for having a lil black child. Mike found the pills, split, messed around with a couple of other women with the goal of getting one pregnant just to hurt Lisa (he can be an as.shole sometimes, true) and eventually knocked up Debbie, which, (if I didn’t love and adore his children and think think they saved his life) I would say was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life. He was never faithful to Debbie after they married, never even wanted to marry her but Mike doesn’t like to break his mother’s heart. He and Lisa continued having sex until 1999 (they weren’t “together,” they were just fucking), until he met his third child’s mother, fell very much in love with her, but he is his father’s son, so he wasn’t entirely faithful to her, which is why they split up shortly after she found out she was pregnant. From that time, up until right before these new bullshit allegations broke, he was pretty much a dog. No attachment, just sex. He has no time to get attached to somebody and then depressed again after they part ways now that he has his children. I doubt he has time for anybody other than his children and his lawyers now.

There, you have it. Take it or leave it, but it’s the truth. Mike would hate me for putting his business out here like this, but at least it’s accurate, unlike all of the other trash going around now. He ain’t my boss anymore, so he’s just going to have to put up with it.

Summary: Scott is full of s.hit, Michael isn’t gay and he sho’ as h.ell ain’t a pedophile.

1. He’s weird, he’s rich, he’s black and he never bows down to anybody. He doesn’t fit any stereotypes of what a black man “should” be, which makes people uncomfortable and enables them to believe anything sinister about him. If you need proof of that, just look no further than this very message board.

2. I think I outlined most of the girlfriends for you, if you think hard enough you could probably figure out names, but it’s not my job to spoon feed this to you. He kept Diana a secret because that’s what the hussy wanted and by the time he got his sh.it together enough to move on and get with other women, he was so obsessed with his privacy that he didn’t want the public to know anything about him that didn’t have to do with music or business (and rightfully so, everything he does is misconstrued, manipulated and taken out of context).

3. Can’t help you there, that’s something you don’t really discuss with Michael. All I can say is that it got more out of hand after he and Diana were officially no more. Nobody around him ever condoned it, I know I certainly didn’t. In all fairness to the kid, most of it is exaggerated. He’s had a lot, but to a fairly localized area, none of this crazy cheekbone, eyebrow, eyelid, forehead stuff. But what does plastic surgery have to do with whether or not he’s a pedophile or a homosexual? Nothing. He’s got a good heart, I don’t give two sh.its about his face.

I’m about through here, maybe a repeat performance or two, but probably not. Just keep all I’ve said in mind before you jump to conclusions about Mike.

==

This post took place on June 12, 2004

http://reclaimingafallenking.blogspot.ru/2010/03/was-michael-jackson-womanizer.html

Debbie and MJ 11

A mischievous look

Up till now only one episode of the letter has been checked up.  It concerned Lisa-Marie and the surprising news that Michael was involved with Debbie and made her pregnant even when he was still married to Lisa.  

This seems to be a closely guarded secret of Lisa-Marie and we even know why. For the royal princess she really is it was a complete insult to find that her husband was having a baby by another woman while he was still married to her. And what a woman too! Some nurse who was ten years her older! Not that she was not pretty but the whole thing was still totally unimaginable to LMP…

Let me refresh your memory about the circumstances and time of a major split between Michael and Lisa-Marie.

The 1995 MTV video awards ceremony. Both of them are utterly unhappy and even pretending doesn't help...

The 1995 MTV video awards ceremony. Both of them are utterly unhappy and even pretending doesn’t help…

It must have taken place at the end of July 1995. According to the author of the letter Michael found Lisa’s birth-control pills, realized that she had been cheating on him for a year, promising to give him a child and never allowing it to happen, and as a result broke away from her for the next 6 weeks.

This statement from the mysterious letter perfectly fits in with a forced reconciliation Michael and Lisa-Marie had at the MTV Video Music Awards ceremony on September 7, 1995 where they tried to present a picture of them still being together, but looked terribly tense and even unhappy with each other.

The year before that at the 1994 MTV video awards ceremony. This was love

The year before that at the 1994 MTV video awards ceremony. This was love

It was a publicity event the importance of which none of them could overestimate, and Lisa-Marie was still in hope to bring Michael back, however a lot of trouble going on between them was noticeable and was even painful to watch.

This sight makes a decided difference from the great picture of them together at the previous 1994 MTV ceremony where they kissed on stage and where only the dumbest did not notice that it was all about genuine tenderness and love. True that there was much publicity around it too, but this was the only way Michael could ever live his life – I mean the necessity to live with millions of eyes upon himself and those close to him.

Many people fell then for the media nonsense about that “weird” kiss, while the rest saw behind it much genuine love and attraction between them, and frankly, this kiss was no more weird than the kiss of the royalty on the balcony of their palace which everyone likes and eagerly expects.

Getting back to 1995 let me say that our insider told us that it was around the time of that ceremony that Michael was already “messing around” with “a couple of other women” with the idea to have a baby by them and “just to hurt Lisa” as the insider said. He was close to forty and could no longer wait –  which was perfectly true. It is only now that I understand how terribly helpless men are in this respect (they can’t do it on their own, you know).

When Lisa didn’t become immediately pregnant, he expressed his disappointment. ‘I thought we’d be expecting within a couple of weeks of making love,’ he said. ‘Lisa says it takes time, but I don’t have time. I want it to happen now. I want children so badly.’

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/LisaMariePresley-MichaelJackson.html

The woman to finally make Michael the precious gift was Debbie Rowe who had her first pregnancy in December 1995 or while Lisa and Michael were still officially married (and absolutely not several months after Michael’s separation from Lisa-Marie as the official tale has it).

This news should have been an awful blow to Lisa, so her announcement to Michael exactly in December 1995 that she “was out” perfectly fits into the timeline and is no surprise to us at all.  He didn’t object to the idea of a divorce and even asked her to leave the hospital where he was being treated after that notable collapse. The separation led to an official divorce filed by LMP on January 18, 1996 and was finalized several months later.

The resolution we had over the episode of a split between Michael and Lisa-Marie was that the facts provided by the author of the letter were completely novel, were impossible to know by a fan and were correct as they accurately fit the timeline of the events we already know of.  The story even created a much better understanding of the real drama taking place in the life of Michael and Lisa Marie at the time.

All of it is conclusive evidence that the person who told us of these valuable details was a real insider, who was close to Michael and knew the situation in much detail.

MJ's note to Lisa Marie

Smell here […] Lisa, I truly need rest. I haven’t slept literally in 4 days now. I need to be away from phones and business people. I must take care of my health first. I AM CRAZY FOR YOU. Your Turd. [the note was pulled out of the auction at the request of Lisa Marie]

Let me also add that despite the divorce Michael was crazy about Lisa-Marie as he said it himself in a note to her which was recently auctioned and then pulled out from sale at Lisa’s request.

The mysterious insider agreed with the crazy love diagnosis and also shook his head in compassion for Michael saying that “the boy was sprung” (syn. infatuated, unable to live without her, etc.) which is why he kept dating her for the next four years after their separation.

a shot from "Who is it" by Michael Jackson

The author of the letter should be someone like this man (a  screen shot from “Who is it” by Michael Jackson)

From the way the author is writing about Michael he sounds like a man older than Michael, someone like a father figure to him, and also someone who knew Michael inside out and was unlikely to be fooled by his prank-like versions presented to other people.

I imagine this person to be like a man who stayed by Michael’s side in his “Who is it” video, took care of him, saw him off to the helicopter to fly away from some disastrous love affair and dealt with the woman who returned too late to only find that Michael was already off.

If you compare this man with other good and no less close friends of Michael you will see the big difference between them. Michael’s friend Frank Cascio also wrote his memories of Michael and covered some of his personal life, but he was much younger than Michael as their age difference was more than 20 years.

FRANK CASCIO: I was 4 years old. When I was 4, I was — my father says, I`m going to bring you to work with me, and I`m going to introduce you to a friend of mine. And his name is Michael Jackson. So, he takes us to — he takes me to the hotel.

And we`re greeted by a gentleman by the name of Bill Bray. And he brings us into the room and says, I`d like to introduce you to Michael Jackson. And Michael puts out his hand and goes, “Hi, I`m Michael.” I say, hi, I`m Frank.

PINSKY: And Michael was how old at the time?

CASCIO: Gee, I don`t even know. I think 27.

(From Cascio on Dr. Drew – http://lisamarieandmichael.foroactivos.net/t767-frank-cascio-about-michael-jackson)

Frank was like a son to Michael and children were always spared by Michael when it came to details of adult life. Therefore when his unhappy marriages took place Michael didn’t spell out to Frank the complex, intricate and often discouraging reasons for his decisions concerning women.  As for Lisa Marie for example, Michael chose to present to Frank the news of his marriage and divorce from her in a totally ridiculous manner.

It started with him telling the 14-year old Frank that Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal liked to do business with family men, and so he wanted Michael, as his partner, to be married, and this is why Michael married Lisa Marie Presley. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard – but what else could he say to a teenager who used to give Michael Christmas gag gifts of garbage or a yearly supply of tampons, accompanied by unappetizing scraps of a family Christmas dinner?

Add to their usual pranky style the fact that Frank was still too young to understand the complexity of Michael’s relations with women in order to be able to coherently explain them to us twenty years later, and you will see that there was no way could Michael tell him the details of his love life as they were, especially since Michael was unable to understand much of what was going on himself at the time.

This makes it clear that Frank’s memories of Michael’s affairs with women should be taken with a grain of salt as we never know when Michael was making a fool of himself and when he was telling the real truth to his younger friend. 

The ridiculous stories Michael told Frank seem to me his way of reassuring him that their friendship would remain strong as ever and he would not allow any woman to come and ruin their comradeship and the great fun they used to have together.

Michael explained to Frank his family life with Lisa-Marie with a bravado more characteristic of a teenager than a grown-up man. I think that to his younger pal Michael didn’t even want to confess his infatuation with Lisa-Marie (or any woman at all), and so for Frank he reserved a nonchalant version that he “didn’t care really that much”.

a shot from "Who is it" video by Michael Jackson

This man understood Michael even without talking to him (a shot from “Who is it” video)

This Michael’s trait of being different with different people and even playing up to these people’s expectations of him should never be underestimated by us when we read what others say about Michael.

He rarely disclosed himself to anyone at all, and if you were close to him but were unable to see the truth with your own eyes he evidently considered it more of your problem than his. If you understood him even without talking much it was perfect, but if you didn’t it was okay for him too – he was not going to explain anyway.

Each of his associates was looking at Michael’s life from his own tower and perspective only, and this is how all those different reports about Michael’s life came into being. As to our insider’s view it seems to me that out of everything we’ve heard by now his perception of Michael was probably the closest to the truth of the matter.

Below you will find an excerpt from Frank Cascio’s book describing Michael’s views on his marriage to Lisa-Marie.

It is again hilarious to read that Michael chose to explain the divorce from Lisa-Marie by her jealousy of Frank’s family. Even considering that this version could be partially true – Lisa was indeed jealous of everyone around Michael –  saying that this was one of the main reasons for the divorce was definitely a joke.

However the story about Michael’s arguments with Lisa and the manner in which he tried to pacify Lisa-Marie’s anger seems interesting to me. It shows that Michael didn’t want to fight and tried to be solve his differences with Lisa in unconventional ways. I don’t know what to make of Michael’s applause to Lisa’s fury – probably it was not too bad a reaction after all, but to Frank it didn’t seem to be a sensible and mature way to deal with the problem. On the other hand we don’t know how bad Lisa Marie could indeed be with her husbands. Nicolas Cage used to say about her:

Frank describes Lisa’s and Michael’s relations as follows:

“…it wasn’t hard to see the issues he’d brought to the marriage, and the trouble he had being a husband. And there was also the fact that Michael did not like confrontation. I remember the day when he began talking about staying in Lisa’s L.A. apartment with her and her children.

“She likes to fight,” he said. “When she complains, I start clapping my hands and smiling.” There wasn’t a hint of self awareness in his tone, a sense that perhaps he could have handled the situation more maturely. If anything, he sounded pleased with his reaction.

“Does that work?” I asked.

“Well, it makes her stop, and then I ask her if she’s done arguing.”

Not exactly dialogue a couples’ counselor would condone. I had a sense that things weren’t going very well.”

…”When they split up at the end of 1995, Michael claimed that one of the main reasons was that Lisa was jealous of us (she called us the “Jersey family”) and the relationship he had with us. He preferred spending time with us to spending it with her. Personally, I had seen no evidence of this, and I don’t believe my family had very much to do with the failure of the marriage, but I’m sure Lisa had been hoping to build a life with Michael. And I can certainly imagine that this life didn’t include a family from New Jersey. Michael shifted some of the responsibility onto my family—perhaps as a way of telling us how important we were, or maybe to convince himself that Lisa was asking him to make impossible sacrifices—but I believe we were only part of the greater routine of his life that he was unwilling to change.

There was also the issue of children. Ambivalent as he may have been about having a serious relationship with a woman, there was one thing Michael was sure about: he longed to be a father. At one point he had wanted to adopt a child from Romania with Lisa, but she didn’t like the idea. Then he wanted to have a child with her, but she was not ready.

Overall, although they did love and have a tremendous amount of respect for each other, I don’t think they were ever emotionally connected enough to sustain a long-term marriage. Michael inhabited his own world and had little desire to leave or adjust it. He didn’t know how to be in a relationship, and he wasn’t willing to learn. He only knew what he knew. Marriage, with its sharing, conflicts, and compromises, just didn’t work for him. When he and Lisa split, he seemed to me to be a little sad, but not entirely heartbroken. That, more than anything else, told me they were better off without each other.”

LMP and her dreamsNo, they were not better off without each other, and what Frank saw in Michael as a sign of relief after his marriage was over was actually Michael’s enthusiasm and happiness at anticipating a child at last.

But Frank is absolutely right in saying that Michael had no idea how to be in a relationship – he simply never had a chance to learn how to as what he saw in his own family was a terrible dysfunction in its grossest of forms. He didn’t want to repeat the pattern of Joe Jackson, but he didn’t know any other either, and hence all that hand-clapping as a reaction to his wife’s complaints.

When Lisa-Marie spoke to Oprah in October 2010 she finally agreed that Michael had tried hard to make their marriage work. It was done in his own specific way, but now she sees that he did give their marriage a good shot. She simply didn’t understand or appreciate his efforts at the time, and was probably not willing too as she also had issues of her own.

She was also guilty of doing things to hurt him. For example, she went on a vacation and took her first husband Danny to accompany her (you can’t imagine what Gutierrez made of it in his book – he was like “she had sex only with her former husband while MJ spent time with boys”).

Now it turns out that Michael was very uncomfortable about that situation and asked her why she was doing it. All Lisa-Marie can say now to explain it is that Danny was still a big part of her life. She was trying to cope with the thought that she had hurt Danny by leaving him for Michael, however it never occurred to her that she was hurting Michael that way too. Well, all this is the usual pain men and women inflict on each other when they are immature, confused, have some unresolved problems with people lleft behind… and are very much in love with each other.

If you want you can watch Lisa-Marie’s full interview with Orpah on September 2010:

Lisa Marie here is only trying to understand what she did right, and what she did wrong, and why. Please remember that she is still not completely open about her relations with Michael and on many occasions is confused by what others say about him (for example, “boys”), as all she says in reply is something in between “she doesn’t know” and “she never saw anything herself” . No, dear me, she knows everything all right and if she hadn’t been sure of Michael’s innocence she would have never subjected her own children to any danger. Hopefully one day she will understand it.

Debbie and MJ 17What is especially notable about her interview with Oprah is that though Oprah claims that Lisa Marie is opening up to her, Lisa once again withholds information that she lost Michael to her rival Debbie while she was still married to him.

The article below also imposes on us the idea that Debbie’s first pregnancy came “months after they divorced”, which is a big stretch of the truth. The second pregnancy (ending in Prince’s birth) did indeed come in May 1996, but the first one started half a year earlier, in December 1995 and ended in a miscarriage three months later, in March 1996.

It is simply unpleasant for Lisa-Marie to talk about it which I perfectly understand, but for the sake of the truth (and verifying the authenticity of the insider’s letter) we need to state that whether Michael did or didn’t want to hurt Lisa the truth is that she did not leave Michael of her free will. She was forced to do it due to the circumstances she created with her own hands by refusing to give Michael a child and mockingly suggesting that Debby should do it instead of her.

As a result what Lisa-Marie was making fun of in October 1995 two months later turned into a reality she had to accept:

Presley Hurt By Rowe Baby Taunts

22 October 2010

LISA MARIE PRESLEY and MICHAEL JACKSON’s 18-month marriage in the mid-1990s started to crumble when the King of Pop told her his friend DEBBIE ROWE had offered to have children with him.

The rocker admits she was far from shocked when her then-ex announced his new wife Rowe was carrying his first child months after he divorced Presley – because he used to taunt her with the idea while they were married.

In a revealing TV interview with Oprah Winfrey, Presley says, “I knew it was a bit of a retaliatory act on his part because I didn’t have a baby and I know that she was there the whole time telling him she would do it. He would tell me… ‘If you’re not gonna do it, Debbie says she’ll do it.’

“I was like, ‘What is that? Not gonna entice me,‘ so we would get into arguments because that really wasn’t how to handle it – but that’s how he knew how to handle it.”

And Presley admits those arguments were the beginning of the end for the marriage: “I understand him so well now but, at that time, I was hurt and I did things that hurt him.”

She reveals that her closeness with her former husband Danny Keogh, who she had two children with, was a big issue for Jackson.

Presley explains, “I was very torn because I broke up my family and I left my husband for Michael… While I was with Michael I was still trying to process what I had done… I felt, ‘How could I have done that to somebody…?’

“Danny was still very much part of my life and Michael didn’t know what to do with that sometimes and that made him uncomfortable. I would take a vacation and Danny would go and Michael would get upset … and then he would disappear for a couple of weeks and I couldn’t find him.

“We hit rough waters and we would argue – three-day arguments sometimes, taking a break to eat and sleep. I’d have to say that I really admire that he really gave it (our marriage) a good shot. I didn’t appreciate it then and I wish I did.”

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/presley-hurt-by-rowe-baby-taunts_1176187

So Michael was so upset and insulted by her vacationing with Danny that he would disappear for weeks after that…..  Okay, so much for reasons of their divorce.

Quote 2 from the letter:

  • “…he eventually knocked up Debbie, which, (if I didn’t love and adore his children and think they saved his life) I would say was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life. He was never faithful to Debbie after they married, never even wanted to marry her but Mike doesn’t like to break his mother’s heart. He and Lisa continued having sex until 1999 (they weren’t “together,” they were just f***ing), until he met his third child’s mother”

Now that we have some proof that the author was a true insider I am curious to know why he said that Michael’s involvement with Debbie was “probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life”. The only explanation I can find is that Michael probably regretted the wreck of his marriage with Lisa-Marie and wanted her back as much as she wanted him, however his marriage to Debbie was now a stumbling block to a reunion with his first wife.

Well, mistake or no mistake, but it gave Michael what he always longed for – he became a father and this saved his life, as the author of the letter tells us (and we know it ourselves).

MJ and LMP after their divorce

A fan’s note over the picture of Lisa Marie and Michael together afer the divorce, guessing at the true nature of their relations

The above quote is remarkable for one more fact.

In 2004 the author of the letter already knew that after their divorce Michael had been dating Lisa-Marie until the year 1999.

This fact was revealed to us only recently, and it is one more great proof that this person really knew what he was writing about.

The intimate relationship between LMP and MJ after the divorce was kept a secret for a long time and was disclosed only after Michael’s death, by Schmuley Boteach’s tapes and then by Lisa-Marie herself when she spoke to Oprah in 2010.

Over there Lisa frankly admitted that she followed Michael all over the world for four years after their divorce in 1996, which takes us to the end of 1999  – and this is exactly the time mentioned by the author of the letter many years before Lisa disclosed it.

Who else could know such details? Only an insider and a very knowledgeable one at that.

In an October 2010 interview with talk-show host Oprah Winfrey, Lisa Marie told Oprah that she and Michael Jackson spent the four years following their divorce together, on and off, in an attempt to reconcile and said that she had traveled to different parts of the world in order to be with him.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Opens-Up-About-Michael-Jackson/print/1

Let us face the reality.  No fan could ever know that Lisa-Marie and Michael were dating each other until the year 1999 and with so much certainty and precision too. The media did note that Lisa Marie and Michael appeared together in various parts of the world, but no one knew anything for sure and everyone was making guesses only. In fact the media sounded incredulous of what they saw and presented it more like a curious urban myth rather than a fact.

This huge difference – even in the way this news is presented –  shows that the author of the letter was not only an insider, but someone who knew Michael’s personal secrets really well. And this fact makes the next quote from the letter all the more intriguing to us.

Quote 3 from the letter:

  •  “He and Lisa continued having sex until 1999 (they weren’t “together,” they were just f***ing), until he met his third child’s mother, fell very much in love with her, but he is his father’s son, so he wasn’t entirely faithful to her, which is why they split up shortly after she found out she was pregnant.”

If this new love affair is true it means that Michael abandoned Lisa-Marie the second time, poor girl, and this explains her fury and vicious attacks against him in the years to come.  This second split sent Lisa-Marie into a series of affairs with various men which started in 1999 and took her through two more quick relationships until she finally vented all her anger at Michael in her album “To whom it may concern” released in April 2003.

Wiki says that Lisa Marie quickly got herself engaged to someone in February 2000, or immediately after Michael fell in love with someone else,  then broke off the engagement and married Nicolas Cage to be divorced from him only three months later:

In May 1999, Presley met musician John Oszajca. They became engaged in February 2000, but Presley broke off the engagement in April 2001 after meeting Nicolas Cage at Johnny Ramone’s 52nd birthday party. Presley’s third marriage was to Cage. They were married on August 10, 2002, in an outdoor wedding at the Mauna Lani Bay Hotel on the Big Island of Hawaii. Cage had proposed just ten days earlier. He filed for divorce after 108 days of marriage, on November 25, 2002. The divorce was finalized on May 16, 2004. The divorce proceeding lasted longer than the marriage.

On April 8, 2003, Presley released her debut album, To Whom It May Concern. Presley wrote almost all the lyrics and co-wrote every melody.

Most of Lisa’s lyrics were angry and vehement, though some were not, and of course they can be attributed to Lisa-Marie’s experience with men other than Jackson –  however I doubt it.

  • I’m no longer your erection, or your congregation, I’m your disease. You take the sun. You have your fun but you better beware. [“Better Beware”]
  • You made me,  I love you, And do you know that nothing has changed [“Nobody noticed”]

Despite the angry lyrics she still had a lot of attachment for Michael. Even when she was married to Nicolas Cage, in the middle of 2002,  she was fiercely protective of Michael and at the same time furious with him. It seems that Cage as her third husband simply fell a victim to her love and anger for Jackson.

After watching a video of Michael with his son Blanket out of the window of a German hotel Lisa Marie and Nicolas Cage had a huge row over Michael.

Did The King destroy Lisa Marie’s marriage?

Afterwards, Elvis’s only daughter [ ] had a furious row with Cage.

Nicolas, like most people, thought it a bizarre and careless thing to have done – the clumsy way Jackson held the baby, Prince Michael II, so precariously over a ledge, with a cloth thrown over its head.

However, Lisa Marie felt that Michael’s actions were not at all disturbing and maintained the incident had been blown out of proportion. ‘Michael would never hurt one of his children,’ Lisa Marie said. ‘It was the camera angle that made it look so dangerous.’

But, as she later recounted to one of her friends, Nicolas demanded to know why she was always so protective of Michael.

‘What is that about?’ he asked, trying to dig to the core of her feelings for her second husband. ‘I know you’re not still in love with the guy. Or are you?’

Six years after her divorce from him, Lisa Marie Presley does have strong feelings for Michael Jackson – though probably not of the romantic variety. She speaks to him often and visits him at his Neverland home in California at least once a month.

For Nicolas to even comment on the long-standing, albeit odd, relationship was not a good idea. Lisa Marie loathes it when others attempt to probe her psyche. ‘Stop trying to analyse me,’ she told him, angrily.

‘It went on from there, a disagreement about Lisa not wanting Nicolas to delve into the reasons for her friendship with Michael,’ said Monica Pastelle, a friend of Lisa Marie’s.

‘Throughout his relationship with her, Nicolas was always asking Lisa questions and trying to figure her out. I think, though, that he learned what many people already know: you can’t figure out Lisa Marie Presley.’

Two weeks after that row, Cage filed for divorce.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-150606/Did-The-King-destroy-Lisa-Maries-marriage.html

So even six years after their divorce Lisa-Marie still visited Michael’s Neverland at least once a month? Well, this love story can take us forever, so let us tear ourselves away from it and get back to the letter where the author stated that in 1999 Michael fell in love with another woman.

Though all of us heard Michael’s official story that the third child was born from a surrogate mother, when you come to think of it, the “falling in love” version presented by the insider may indeed be a much more correct one. And it is not only because it is the insider who is telling us this news, but because I also remember the blissful expression on Michael’s face when he first mentioned Blanket’s mother in Bashir’s documentary.

"She will be in tabloids and newspapers and she doesn't want it" (a shot from Bashir's documentary)

“She will be in tabloids and newspapers and she doesn’t want it” (a shot from Bashir’s documentary)

Even then, when I watched it for the first time, Michael’s initial reaction to Bashir’s question struck me as a dissonant note from everything he would later say about this woman – that it was a business agreement, that she was a surrogate mother and that he didn’t have a relationship with her.

His first reaction to a question whether they had a relationship was much more tale-telling – he nodded with much determination and said a decisive “yes” to Bashir’s question. Later on Michael somewhat checked himself probably recalling that his words were going counter to his own official version of the story, but initially the reaction was different.

And this is what’s precious about it. Initially he gave a firm reply that he had been in a relationship with that woman, and was all smiles explaining that he couldn’t reveal her identity because she would be bombarded by papers and tabloids. She didn’t want it and he didn’t blame her for it.

He talked about her at approximately 4:40 in the video below. Please note his happy smile and demeanor of importance when saying “yes” (and this way fully confirming what the insider had to tell us about Blanket’s mother):

However the next comment from the insider immediately following this news is not that easy.

Though his point about Michael not being entirely faithful to Blanket’s mother and him being “his father’s son” is fairly believable,  the version that “they split up shortly after she found out that she was pregnant” does not stand up to any criticism. This course of the events runs counter to everything we’ve learned about Michael by now.

Michael would have never left a woman who was making a precious gift of a baby to him – at least during that period, so the most probable reason why he stayed away from her was his desire to hide her from all the media frenzy – for her own and her child’s safety. On the outside it looked  like he had parted with her even despite her pregnancy, however knowing what we know about Michael such a scenario was simply out of the question.

Does it mean that the author made a mistake about that other woman and was wrong in what he was saying? No, all it means is that he interpreted this fact in a slightly wrong way, though the fact itself is perfectly correct. Michael was in love with that woman, was happy to have a baby by her, and surely took care of all birth preparations, but since he (or she) was unable to go into an official marriage he preferred to turn it into a business arrangement and present her to the world as a surrogate mother.

At times he himself forgot about the arrangement they had agreed about and gave himself away by true comments about her (like those he gave to Bashir), though generally he tried to adhere to the official version of the story.

I wish we knew who this woman is – after all Blanket does need a mother, doesn’t he?

For some reason Michael parted with that woman after the birth of their child – probably because she really didn’t want to get into the limelight, and this would have been impossible if she had stayed by his side. As to him, he went for the “fish” in the ocean that was all his. No, he wasn’t turning into a replica of his father – he simply had to take care of his sexual needs in the circumstances he found himself in and another marriage was no longer fitting into the picture.

Quote 4 from the letter:

  • “From that time, up until right before these new bullshit allegations broke, he was pretty much a dog. No attachment, just sex. He has no time to get attached to somebody and then depressed again after they part ways now that he has his children. I doubt he has time for anybody other than his children and his lawyers now”.

This is a very rough way of putting it, but it does look like the truth. A true relationship starts with an  interest, goes on with a romance and a period of courtship when men usually stay at their best behavior with women and only then it progresses into love which may be difficult too as it involves a lot of adjustment to one another. However with his busy legal life and three children on his hands Michael absolutely had no time for any form of a “relationship”. He spent all his time on his children, his music and a horde of lawyers who were to be paid in order to look into the incredible number of lawsuits he had to face.

Actually Michael was so busy with lawsuits that the author of the letter didn’t even include music into the sphere of Michael’s immediate interests at the time. To name only a few let us recall the suit from Evan Chandler’s for another $60 mln. filed some time in 1996 if I remember it right, and Michael’s own lawsuit against Daine Dimond and Gutierrez for $100 mln. in addition to all those 1000 plus lawsuits he had to handle during his whole life. All this was going on for months and years and was consuming lots of time and money which first had to be earned.

However Michael still had his sexual needs and hence the situations like those witnessed by Frank Cascio:

Sometimes Michael invited members of his fan clubs to Neverland, and he occasionally formed a special relationship with one of the women. One time I was driving Michael into town. Someone was next to me in the passenger seat of the Bentley, and Michael was in the backseat, kissing one of his fans.

“Easy back there,” I said. “Relax, calm down.”

“Just keep driving,” Michael said, in a joking way. “Don’t worry about it, just keep driving.”

Michael’s dalliances with fans were infrequent, and discreet, but they were hardly unheard of. He tended to like tall, slender women whom I’d describe as nerdy in a sexy way. Once, in London, I was in his suite when he brought a friend he’d known for years into his bedroom. They were in there for about an hour, and when he emerged, his pants were unbuttoned. I smirked at him.

“Shut up, Frank,” he said, smiling sheepishly. The woman, equally sheepish, said good-bye and left.

Around this time, Michael had another friend—I’ll call her Emily —who visited the ranch regularly. She was a nice, cute girl, slender, with brown hair, in her early to midthirties. Emily didn’t want or need anything from Michael. They just liked spending time together —talking, walking around, hanging out in his bedroom. It was a romantic relationship, but as far as I know, he didn’t tell anyone about Emily but me. Michael kept her a secret—she didn’t stay in his room because he didn’t want her to be seen coming out in the morning—and even I didn’t see real evidence of the romance. That’s how I knew he was telling the truth. He wouldn’t have been so secretive if he hadn’t had something he wanted to hide. That was the longest relationship I saw Michael have: Emily was at the ranch frequently over the course of about a year.

Please note that if Michael really wanted to hide his intimacy with someone he would be top secretive about it, which reminds us of the matter of “boys”. He had nothing to hide there and was therefore completely open about it, and it probably even never entered his mind that someone could think dirty of it…

Every so often, fans were allowed to visit Michael in his hotel room. We called the girls fish—because there were lots of fish in the sea—and we called the most aggressive ones barracudas. We’d fight over them, joking about which girl was for him and who was for me. I’d say, “Let’s be realistic, you’re just the decoy.” That’s why on the Invincible album notes when he thanked me he wrote, “Stop fishing.”

The Invincible album reminds us of a notable scene during the album promotion campaign when Michael openly flirted with women who came up to him for an autograph. First Michael fell all over a blond girl who later became his friend (Jovanna, if I remember it right). Frank Cascio who was sitting by his side doubled up with laughter and hid himself behind a journal  when he saw Michael fussing over that girl and making arrangements for bodyguards to take her telephone number by all means.

And some time after that episode one more Michael’s associate made a tell-all remark when Michael fiddled with another girl. After all the embraces with her the man sitting on the other side of Michael said something like ‘I see something sticking out’ to which Michael immediately reacted: ‘Nastyyyy’ .

The scene is an interesting insight into what men do and say when women are not looking, and is really much fun. However what is most important to us is that all this banter over girls falls very much in line with the picture our insider painted of that period of Michael’s life. See for yourself:

Frank Cascio says that despite all those frivolities with girls when it came to his children Michael immediately assumed a serious role of a parent, so I can hardly imagine that any of them would have ever witnessed any of his flirting with women. Frank Cascio was amazed by how easily Michael could change from a baffoon he someone was into a caring and attentive father:

It never ceased to amaze me how easily he could change from a water balloon fighter to a pop music star to a caring, attentive father. It was a transition that, even now, I find hard to explain, but it was one that he did every day with ease.

…At night, when all the visitors had left, Michael would take his kids on twilight walks around Neverland. It was touching to see Prince and Paris walking on either side of him, their little hands in his. Michael would point out a bird or a duck while Prince occasionally scrambled ahead like a puppy and Paris stayed next to her dad, a demure little lady. Michael seized any opportunity that arose to teach the children life lessons. If they saw a deer, or another animal, he would tell them about its life and its habits while they stood watching it. The sky, the grass, a tree: Michael saw the value of every detail of his surroundings and introduced each to his children. He wanted them to love what was around them and not take the wonders of creation for granted.

… Michael as a father made much more sense to me than Michael as a husband. Maybe being with Lisa, loving her children, and wanting to have a child with her had made him see that he was now ready to raise his own children. Much as Michael acted like a child at times, the truth was that he was a grown man, and he always cared for the children in his life the way a responsible father would do. For years he’d had hands-on experience with me, my brothers, and my sister, and over the course of our long friendship I’d watched him part-time parent all of my younger siblings. His instincts were excellent: he knew how to listen to kids and his patience with them was infinite. In addition, he researched parenting the way he did his other passions—through books. In our many trips to bookstores, Michael always stocked up on titles about parenting and child-rearing. He was determined to be the best father he could possibly be and sought to understand the psychology of children and the meaning of their interactions with their parents.

Michael’s care for every element of his baby’s experience began the moment his son was conceived. He knew, before the baby was born, that he was going to name him Prince. He said that the name had run in his family for generations. Michael taped himself saying, “Prince, I am your father. I love you, Prince. I love you, Prince. You are wonderful. I love you.” He also recorded himself reading children’s books and classic novels, like Moby-Dick and A Tale of Two Cities. At night, Debbie would put earphones to her belly or play the tapes aloud so that when the baby was born, Michael’s voice would be familiar to him.

Prince was born on February 13, 1997.

… All of Michael’s plans at this time revolved around his child: he didn’t believe a baby should be dragged from city to city, so he set Prince up in Paris, a central location in terms of the tour’s itinerary, with two nannies to care for him day and night. Each night after he finished his concert, Michael flew back to his apartment on the Champs-Elysees by private jet. Whenever he wasn’t performing, he was with Prince. It was a tough schedule, but Michael was trying to be both a father and a mother to his son. My mother, my brothers Aldo and Dominic, and my sister, Marie Nicole, accompanied Michael for the majority of the HIStory tour, along with Prince and the nannies. Eddie and I couldn’t leave high school, but we escaped for long enough to meet the baby at Disneyland Paris.

In the hotel, as he would wherever they traveled, Michael made sure to create a stress-free, stimulating environment for the baby. My mother remembers that there was always beautiful harp music playing and that she, Michael, and the nannies read to Prince from the day he was born. I was happy to hold the new bundle. He slept in my arms, as babies always do.

… As I’d discovered at the age of five, Michael had no trouble connecting with children. He had an innate ability to see the world through a child’s eyes, and he didn’t have to change at all to become the kind of father he wanted to be. His heart and mind had long been committed to the challenge. Once Prince was born, Michael wanted another child almost immediately, so the two of them could grow up together. Five months after Prince was born, he and Debbie arranged another pregnancy.

Michael was a great father. People can say what they will about his life and his choices, but nobody will ever take that away from him. He loved his children deeply. He fed them, changed their diapers, held them, spoke to them. Michael didn’t believe in baby talk. “Speak to children as if they’re adults,” he said. “Trust me, they understand. And it’s better to train them to speak properly from the start.”

Yes, Michael was indeed a great father and nobody will ever take that away from him. As to women the circumstances made Michael go through several stages many man probably experience, only to him it happened in a much more intense and concentrated form.

MJ wore a ring

Michael wore a ring with Debbie

He started with the worst of women in his childhood (in those night clubs) and witnessed the dirtiest way women can be treated too. This made him look for women with a purity streak to them and taught him to be gentle towards them as he promised himself that at least he would behave like a gentleman should.

Then he tried hard to make his two marriages work (even with Debbie he wore a ring as if saying to others, “Girls, stay off me now, I have a family of my own”), but after a number of disasters and due to loss of emotional strength and a mere lack of time he finally progressed to looking at women as fish in the sea where there were so many of them available to him that it  made almost no difference…

This we get from both the insider’s and Frank Cascio’s accounts, but in addition to all that there was an observation from Frank that made me realize that there was one more reason for Michael eventually treating women in so perfunctory a manner.

Frank said that after the disaster with the Chandlers Michael lost his faith in people and the “fundamental decency of his fellow humans”.

Just think of it. Michael lost his faith in the fundamental decency of his fellow humans. It is so well said. And sounds so true. And is so difficult to live with…

Who were those people who brought Michael into that state of total devastation?

It was Evan Chandler and possibly his son Jordan.

But it was also a woman, June Chandler who, according to our author, was involved in that 1993 business even more than Jordan was. She could have told the truth about her affair with Michael and could have spoken up for him, but she preferred not to and sided with the accusers instead. Her personal betrayal of Michael adds a new color to the 1993 case, and now we can surely say that June Chandler put her hand to turning Michael into a different man –  a man who became a far cry from his former self after meeting with that family.

He probably forgave her realising that she was also caught up in the circumstances, and had to surrender to Evan’s pressure, but no matter how you look at it, Michael’s sincere attempt to form a relationship with a woman was destroyed in the very bud of it. The Chandler catastrophe was followed by a deceit from Lisa-Marie who promised him children and never lived up to her promises, and these two huge blows taken together were the factors which among other things  finally crushed Michael’s faith in his fellow humans. And it seems that women were one of the first to contribute to it.

Blood on the dance floorImagine that one woman you love accuses you of child abuse (knowing that  it is not true) and the next one cheats you in something which is the most sensitive thing to you? Anyone will turn cynical after that…

Only Debbie restored some of Michael’s belief in the decency of people,  and we should be infinetely grateful to her for that (in addition to bearing him children and making his dreams come true at last), however her case wasn’t very helpful in terms of love as she was more of a friend to Michael while he was infatuated with someone else.

Here is the excerpt from Frank Cascio’s book where he says that after the Chandlers’ case Michael was no longer the same man.  June and Jordan Chandler should know what they did to Michael:

 After the purity and genuineness of Michael’s love for children was called into question, he became a different man. Inevitably, his relationships with children changed forever. The days of the innocent freedom with which he’d played with kids were gone for good. In addition, he now saw what a target he had become for people who were looking to exploit his eccentricities for cruel and selfish ends. Family excluded, he stopped hanging out with kids in the same way as he’d done before. It wasn’t worth the risk.

Beyond this, if I had to sum up the change I saw, I’d say that Michael lost his confidence. Not just in himself—the way he would boldly and without a second thought do whatever he felt like doing, no matter how unconventional or immature it might have seemed— but in others as well.

He lost his faith in the fundamental decency of his fellow humans. Where once he had seen only the good in people, now he worried about the intentions of those around him. He questioned their motives. He thought everyone around him was trying to take advantage of him, to manipulate him. That hint of paranoia he’d expressed when it came to other people stealing his musical ideas started spreading to other areas of his life. Sometimes, even if he encountered someone whose intentions were good and sincere, he’d look for reasons to doubt that person. He created scenarios in his head that didn’t exist in reality as a way of guaranteeing that he would again never be caught off guard. My family, however, was exempt from Michael’s escalating paranoia. Eddie and I were innocent kids, and his faith in our parents never wavered.

….I know that the argument for settling out of court with the Chandler family made a certain amount of sense, but I have to say that as incredible a lawyer as Johnnie Cochran was, I don’t think he should have settled that case. Michael was never the same after it. Not fighting for the truth took a heavy toll on him. He was the biggest star in the whole world. The unresolved accusations cast a shadow on his character. They damaged his reputation. They threatened his legacy. And they wounded his soul. From then on, people wouldn’t know what to believe about Michael Jackson. Above all, they challenged his love for children—something that was central to his being—and that hurt far more than the media circus that had been stirred up by the accusations.

… He’d said, “I have rhinoceros skin. I’m stronger than all of them,” but Eddie and I could see the truth behind the bravado. The accusations that Jordy’s father had leveled against Michael were a source of unrelenting anxiety to him. At night he would sometimes vent: “I don’t think you realize” —and we certainly didn’t— “I have the whole world thinking I’m a child molester. You don’t know what it feels like to be falsely accused, to be called ‘Wacko Jacko.’ Day in and day out, I have to get up on that stage and perform, pretending everything is perfect. I give everything I have, I give the performance that everyone wants to see.

Meanwhile, my character and reputation are under constant attack. When I step off that stage, people look at me as if I were a criminal.”

The only ones Michael still believed after the Chandler disaster were children whose purity and integrity he didn’t doubt. Even the example of Jordan Chandler didn’t shatter his views on the innocence of children as he still thought that youngsters depend on their parents and may be too susceptible to their influence. Frank says that children for Michael remained the embodiment of purity and God, and this helped him to still have some hope and survive:

As far as what was going on with Jordy’s family, we only talked to Michael about it when he brought it up. When he did speak about it, it was often in a wistful tone, and I could tell that he was still trying to comprehend the fact that this horrible thing had occurred.

“I did so much for his family,” he’d say.

I would almost always respond with anger, saying things like “I just don’t understand how he could do such a thing.”

“You don’t understand,” Michael would reply. “I don’t blame Jordy. It’s not his fault. It’s his father’s fault.”

Michael forgave Jordy. He knew that a child wouldn’t come at him and ruthlessly attack him of his own volition. He believed it all came from the father. Later, when I was older, Michael would tell me that Jordy’s father had wanted Michael to invest in a film he wanted to make. Michael initially liked the idea, but his advisers were against it. They dismissed Jordy’s father rather thoughtlessly, and Michael, not one for confrontation, blew him off, too. Michael thought that this, more than anything else, had set Evan Chandler off.

…    I want to be precise and clear, on the record, so that everyone can read and understand: Michael’s love for children was innocent, and it was profoundly misunderstood. People seemed to have trouble accepting all the good qualities of this incredible man, and were always asking how it could be that he was the greatest singer on earth, the greatest dancer on earth, and yet enjoy hanging around with children all day? How could he write and perform such explosively sexual, complex songs, and then have nothing but harmless interactions with the kids with whom he surrounded himself? How could he have so many idiosyncrasies that seemed weird to the outside observer—the plastic surgery, the bizarre purchases, the secrecy—and then not be “weird” in other, more offensive ways?

Yes, Michael had different personas. The same way I myself became a different person depending on whether I was home with my family, traveling with Michael, or back in school in New Jersey. The same way we all put on different faces for dealing with different parts of our lives. If Michael’s different images seemed extreme, it was only because his life was more extreme than anyone else’s. For all the hard work he’d put in during his own childhood, for all the perfectionism that drove his music, Michael craved the simplicity and innocence of the youth he had never fully experienced. He revered it, he treasured it, and, especially through Neverland, he tried to offer it to others. People had trouble understanding all this, and many assumed the worst.

This misunderstanding was the greatest sorrow of Michael’s life. He carried it with him to the end. I am here to say that I knew the real Michael Jackson. I knew him throughout my childhood. In all that time, he never showed himself to be anything but a perfect friend. Never did he make a questionable advance or a sexual remark. My parents were older and wiser than my brother or I. If anything, their perspective was broader and more encompassing than ours. And they trusted Michael implicitly.

… During the Dangerous tour, Michael had made a point of visiting orphanages and children’s hospitals. In every city we visited, we brought toys to these children, and it was clear that Michael wished he could adopt them all. He could not stand to see a child suffer. There were times during those visits when Michael would break down crying because he couldn’t stand seeing a child in pain. He was moved and inspired by the innocence and purity of youth, and always said that of all the creatures in the world, children were closest to God.

Well, Michael didn’t yet know what some children were going to say about him very soon after that, the next year after the insider’s letter was published. We can imagine how greatly Michael’s disillusionment with people deepened after he listened day in, day out to what the Arvizo kids and other scumbags had to say about him…

I am sorry that the post has deviated  from the man subject – it just happened this way. However there is still a lot to say about the insider’s letter, so let’s leave the rest of it until next time, okay?

Let us also remember that up till now the author of the letter has been correct in all his observations  about Michael and his women.

And if he was correct about Lisa and Debbie, he was correct about June Chandler too.

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124 Comments leave one →
  1. September 6, 2014 4:22 am

    Michael was lucky having this Friend, a woman in Las Vegas.in2008. Wonder where and if she disappeared when he moved to LA.Anyway Michael had the common problem of coming home at night while the children were still at sleep. It is difficult and takes time to introduce a new “member” to a family when there are children involved. Also at the time AEG had put him on their harsh program and he was not flush with money.A good father,always the children came first.It is so sad he is not around now anymore bringing them up as a father and ejoing the later years of his life.The Friend may have had her own reasons for remaing in Las V.
    Everything went wrong whith AEG and the unlucky choice of Murray.That man should never get a medical job. He is,was a M.D. psychopath and con-man.There is sc psychopathic charm they use for manipulation.Ethics sreams By it´rs abscence.

  2. September 5, 2014 10:39 am

    Oh, and the bottom line is: none of us ever deserved Michael! He was far better than any single one of us. He was the best! And forever will stay that way!

  3. September 5, 2014 10:37 am

    You are the brightest star in the universe, Michael! I adore you, baby!

  4. September 5, 2014 10:35 am

    Michael is a unique man who had a unique life and yes, he was and is and forever will be the dearest beloved for his female fans and those women who did have the beautiful great honor to be loved by him both emotionally and physically.

    I have loved him all my life and I owe him so so much! I love him and I think the world of him!

  5. OffTheWall5 permalink
    October 25, 2013 3:04 am

    Lisa Marie’s daughter Riley Keough was asked about Michael in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, 2012 :

    “As Elvis’s granddaughter and Michael Jackson’s stepchild, Riley Keough has lived in an improbable celebrity vortex for all her 22 years. She’s been asked every Elvis question and shyly confesses that the most annoying ones have to do with “people thinking I was alive when he was alive,” since Keough was born 12 years after he died. Regarding the eccentric Jackson, who married her mother, Lisa Marie, in 1994, Keough says she mainly knew him as the stepdad who went swimming with her, dropped her off at school and indulged her candy fixes at Neverland from the time she was 6 till she was 11.”


    Michael was a great stepfather to Ben and Riley :)
    Riley also said in May 2009 that she has nothing but positive memories of Michael.
    Ben Keough was photographed wearing a Michael Jackson T-shirt in 2008/2009.

    Michael also spoke about Lisa’s children to Rabbi Schmuley in 2001 :

    Rabbi : Did you want to be a father to her kids?
    Michael : Yes.
    Rabbi : Do you still stay in touch with the children?
    Michael : Yes, and with her (Lisa Marie).

    Michael : I was really good to her children. Every day I’d bring them home something and they’d be waiting by the window for me and hug me. I love them.

  6. OffTheWall5 permalink
    October 11, 2013 4:25 am

    The article below is from the National Enquirer – it is tabloid trash. Lisa was recently asked about it on twitter and she said the article is “complete BS”.

  7. October 8, 2013 2:43 pm

    “LMP is a cold woman. http://www.mjisalive.ru/viewtopic.php?p=36652#p36652&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter- mjjyo

    Mjjyo, she may indeed be a cold woman but it is absolutely unnecessary to believe everything we are told. The facts do not support the theory voiced on the above site. It was LMP who was desperate about Michael and followed him for four years after their divorce and not the other way about. And Michael said in the tapes recorded by Schmuley that she was writing him letters promising 9 children but Michael sort of shut his heart to her.

    So the theory that because of LMP he “turned to drugs” does not have have any grounds for it, especially since Michael did not “turn to them” but simply had another accident in Munich, had a terrible back pain and this started him on another round of painkillers.

    Of course he was very much in love with LMP and did feel betrayed, but fortunately Debbie Rowe gave him two children and as Michael himself said they saved his life.

    And Karen Faye didn’t actually call LMP “deceitful and manipulative” though the rest of the quote from her testimony is correct. I suppose that the article is coming from some Hoax site? Here it is if anyone is interested in this new version of MJ’s death:

    Michael Jackson death trial: Lisa Marie Presley responsible for Jackson’s demise

    Lisa Marie Presley has been blamed as one of the reason for Michael Jackson’s death. New evidence introduced during the $40 billion Michael Jackson wrongful death suit claims that Presley’s betrayal sent Jackson over the edge.

    The courtroom statements given by Michael Jackson’s longtime makeup artist have revealed that when Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson were married, Lisa Marie was begging Michael to work to save their marriage by doing whatever it took, then the daughter of the late King of Rock and Roll Elvis Presley blindsided MJ with divorce papers.

    It s now being claimed that Lisa Marie Presley’s betrayal broken Michael Jackson’s heart and pushed him towards the drugs to ease his pain.

    “Michael trusted Lisa Marie more than anyone else in his life,” said a Jackson family insider.

    “When she betrayed him, he was consumed with sadness and used drugs as an emotional escape. His drug use increased immensely after that and led him down the self-destructive path that ultimately ended with his death.”

    Michael’s former makeup artist Karen Faye took the stand to describe Lisa Marie Presley, 45, as a deceitful and manipulative..

    “They weren’t getting along. She said, ‘Let’s try to work this out.’ “Michael kept saying, ‘No, I don’t think it’s going to work.’ She begged and begged, ‘Please don’t file, please don’t file.’ So he promised her he wouldn’t file for divorce. The next morning it was all over the press – she filed for divorce. He was devastated. He had decided to really try again with her. Then she turned around and did that.”

    Fate claims that this is the reason Michael Jackson turned to drugs, and implied that if not for Lisa Marie Presley’s nasty betrayals, Michael Jackson might still be alive today.

    http://www.mjisalive.ru/viewtopic.php?p=36652#p36652&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  8. October 8, 2013 11:22 am

    “Dom S. Sheldon is a cold man”
    LMP is a cold woman.

    http://www.mjisalive.ru/viewtopic.php?p=36652#p36652&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  9. anniedomino permalink
    September 15, 2013 4:25 pm

    I always somehow think the singer is Irene Cara. Maybe because I was a pre-teen in the early 80’s and remember how huge she was during the Fame/ Flashdance era. There is one pic of her and MJ together – at the 83 Dreamgirls opening night I think.

  10. forreal permalink
    May 14, 2013 3:51 am

    Michael to Lisa Marie : “I’m Crazy For You”.

    very sweet letter :) I’m glad Julien’s Auctions returned the letter to Lisa. Lisa didn’t know the letter was up for auction until a fan tweeted her and told her about it.

    Lisa Marie said that she has many other letters from Michael… she is very lucky :)

  11. nannorris permalink
    February 7, 2013 10:48 am

    I dont think Diana Ross would ever say anything like that, but it speaks to Gene Simmons character , that he wouldnt even have respect for someone he supposedly cared about (Diana) feelings regarding MJ.
    He is a snake
    I just watched that clip of the awards show,,Boy, MJ certainly looked glum.Another good point regarding the info in that letter, being truthful….

  12. February 7, 2013 10:04 am

    “But Diana Ross??? It is hard for me to understand , how someone she went out with , knowing how supposedly close she was to MJ, would make those comments..”

    Nannorris, I think that Diana Ross never made any comments like that about MJ. It was Gene Simmmons’s own invention, and surely done in order to renew public attention to his faded self. But I was amazed that Diana Ross could stay by Gene Simmons’s side at all. From the ideal picture Michael was painting of Diana Ross I thought much better of her.

    The Insider’s letter was right again – Michael was young and naive and chose not to see the obvious.

  13. February 7, 2013 9:28 am

    I looked into Diana Ross’s personal life when I was checking up the Insider’s letter and had to agree with his words again, this time said about Michael and Diana Ross.

    Quote:

    “The poor guy thought he was going to marry her but she fucked him over with Gene Simmons and Arne Naess. He was pretty naive back then, so he chose not to see the obvious.”

    Michael’s misery over that marriage was so strong that he could not make himself smile even at an official ceremony (the American Music Awards) in January 1986 as he knew that Diana Ross was to have her wedding in a few days, on February 1. Michael is a painful sight, and Elizabeth Taylor who is Michael’s companion to the ceremony is of course in the know of what is going on:

    Poor Michael has never met Arne Naess and that is why he gets jealous of all fair-haired men around Diana Ross. When he is on stage he casts a long terrible glance at a guy behind her back who is somewhat bewildered by the stare (no, it is not him, but Michael evidently does not know it):

    The dramatic events are all here:

    As lacienegasmiles wrote in her blog Michael was particularly hurt by Diana keeping that relationship a secret from him:

    According to Adrian Grant’s book, Michael showed up half way through the AMA 86 ceremonies with Liz Taylor. Diana had already gotten married to Naess in a private ceremony in Oct ’85 and her public wedding in Switzerland was to be in Feb ’86. MJ apparently cancels his attendance at the public wedding at the last minute and doesn’t attend.

    Michael Jackson was truly heartbroken that Diana Ross planned to marry Arne Naess, and would later say that he was particularly hurt that she hadn’t even introduced him to Arne, especially since they were already man and wife. “I was jealous because I’ve always loved Diana Ross and I always will.”

    The marriage to Arne Naess lasted for 13 years, but most of the time Diana spent in the US while Arne stayed alone. They were so “close” that Diana found that Naess was divorcing her from newspapers (her publicist):

    Diana Ross said that she enjoyed climbing mountains with Naess, but his uncle Arne told a reporter that “rustic cabin life is not for Diana”. Insiders also claimed that Naess was annoyed by his wife’s spending, which reportedly included $25,000 a month on private jets and $1,000 a month on lipstick. Yet, for a time at least, the relationship, which Diana Ross described as “a series of sexy honeymoons”, seemed to suit them.

    The end of the marriage was announced in early 1999, when Naess gruffly informed an interviewer that they had separated. Diana Ross claimed that the first she knew of it was when her publicist called to tell her, although it appears that she was not greatly surprised. Two weeks later, when her record company released her new album Every Day is a New Day, most of the songs were about a disintegrating relationship. “I think he’s going through a little bit of a menopause,” she reflected. “He’s looking for something better or a bigger mountain to climb.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1451651/Arne-Naess.html

    And only three years before that Michael was happy, confident and very much hopeful of Diana Ross:

    THE INSIDER’S LETTER IS CORRECT AGAIN!

  14. February 7, 2013 8:59 am

    “Diana never married Gene, they only dated from about 1979-1983, they started dating when Gene was still with Cher.”

    Lacienegasmiles, thank you for the correction. Sorry I didn’t check up his status with her (now it is corrected). All I remembered was that Gene Simmons was her lover at some moment in time and that I was totally shocked by her choice. There can’t be more contrast and difference than the one between Gene Simmons and Michael Jackson in terms of their character, personality and way of behavior. I think that to Michael it must have been a shock when he finally learned about that relationship.

    And her marriage to the Norwegian billionare Arne Naess was definitely a shock to him too. This guy was at least a good sportsman, besides being a shipping magnate, and could be really respected for his achievements in mountaineering. This I more or less understand though seeing the picture of them together was also quite a shock to me.

    Wiki about Diana Ross’s personal life:

    During her early Motown career, rumors had spread that Ross had brief flings with some Motown executives, including Brian Holland. Around 1965, Ross began dating Motown CEO Berry Gordy. The affair reportedly lasted several years and resulted in the birth of Ross’ eldest child, Rhonda Suzanne Silberstein, in August 1971. A month after she was first pregnant with Rhonda, in January 1971, Ross married music executive Robert Ellis Silberstein. Ross gave her first husband’s surname to her daughter. It was stated that Ross’ marriage to Silberstein was a “business arrangement”. Rhonda didn’t learn the truth until she was 13.

    With Silberstein, Ross had two daughters, Tracey Joy and Chudney Lane Silberstein, born in 1972 and 1975 respectively. Ross and Silberstein divorced in 1977 and Ross relocated to New York in the early 1980s after years living in Los Angeles. Ross briefly dated actor Ryan O’Neal as well as rock musician Gene Simmons. Ross met her second husband, billionaire Norwegian shipping magnate Arne Næss, Jr. in 1985 and married him the following year, later having boys Ross Arne and Evan Olav. They divorced in 2000.[29] Næss was later killed in a mountain climbing accident in 2004, Ross attended his funeral. With the exception of her son Ross Næss, all of her children use their mother’s surname as their stage name.

  15. nannorris permalink
    February 7, 2013 8:17 am

    I have wondered about Diana Ross with Gene Simmons.
    I know that Cher had worked with MJ when he was a kid and she commented on him after he died, and I wouldnt consider her to have been a friend to him, so I wouldnt be surprised that she was with Gene Simmons , who has made comments saying he thought MJ was a criminal.
    But Diana Ross??? It is hard for me to understand , how someone she went out with , knowing how supposedly close she was to MJ, would make those comments..
    I think he just does it for publicity , but I think he is scum.,

  16. February 7, 2013 2:26 am

    Diana never married Gene, they only dated from about 1979-1983, they started dating when Gene was still with Cher.

  17. February 7, 2013 1:11 am

    “In a court document that Zonen had filed they had to tell her that they wouldn’t ask about sex with Michael because that was specifically what was prohibited in the confidentiality clause. Now why would Michael prohibit her from talking about their sex life if they never had one?” - lynande

    It once again shows that Michael probably doesn’t belong to this world. These days almost all “stars” brag about their sex life and sometimes discuss the most intimate details even during public ceremonies. Recently I watched a video on Youtube where Diana Ross and Cher were taking part in some celebration of their former lover Gene Simmons, and over there Cher started her speech with saying that he was the man with simultaneously the biggest and the smallest **** she had ever seen. Everybody enjoyed it very much, so I understand that this kind of salacious jokes is absolutely common in show business.

    Of course in comparison with all these people Michael was a gentleman belonging at least to the 19th century. Incidentally if he had spoken about his sex life and had allowed his female partners to do so, there wouldn’t be any questions now. But his difference from the rest of the world was that he never talked about things that were really intimate and meaningful for him (women) and openly showed to everyone things where no intimacy was involved (children).

    However the public interpreted it in exactly the opposite way. They are so used to the Gene Simmons type of “advertising” himself that they regard this as a norm, while Michael’s secrets about his sex life look “abnormal” to them. Indeed, why doesn’t everyone tell everyone else what size **** this or that man has and what this or that woman likes most in bed? It can be such an advertisement! And indeed what is there to hide from the inquisitive public? People want to know! No one has the right keep any secrets from them!

    Frankly, after seeing whom Diana Ross chose instead of Michael I lost all respect for her. And I can imagine what a blow it was to Michael too.

    Meet Diana Ross’s lover Gene Simmons:

  18. February 6, 2013 3:51 pm

    In a court document that Zonen had filed they had to tell her that they wouldn’t ask about sex with Michael because that was specifically what was prohibited in the confidentiality clause.

    When did Zonen file that?

    Iris Finsilver was Debbie’s long time custody lawyer, she also states Debbie and MJ had sex.

  19. lynande51 permalink
    February 6, 2013 2:55 pm

    Actually Shelly that clause was put in there to protect Debbie from herself and not because she could make up stories but because she gets so angry at anything that is said about Michael she would have been commenting about everything. Michael didn’t want her harassed by the paparrazi like he was because that is what would have happened if she had started to talk to them.

  20. shellywebstere permalink
    February 6, 2013 11:25 am

    “Now why would Michael prohibit her from talking about their sex life if they never had one?”

    Because she could make up stories.

  21. February 6, 2013 11:14 am

    “Even if what the insiders letter says is true the press and the haters will never allow it to be. Whiles I have been looking up articles I have found some of the most ridiculous things being said about Michael’s kids.” -lynande

    Yes, the press is acting as if it is totally blind and deaf in the worst case or extremely forgetful at best.

    Initially I was amazed to see that no matter what truthful facts we uncovered there was no reaction and they kept playing the old tune. I expected a more natural and human reaction, some kind of admission like “oh yes, at least in this and that point we were wrong, though in some others we probably weren’t”. This would have required more research and more interaction with the press and the public, and this reaction would have been natural. But even this was missing.

    The initial amazement turned into anger – so no matter what truth you tell they pretend they do not hear it and stubbornly stick to their lies? Their superiority attitude that “they know better” and “everything will remain their way” reminded me of our authorities who are also more or less conveying this idea to us by either ignoring the truthful voices or trying to show them in the worst possible light. So to me personally it added a note of frustration as I slowly realized that there is no truth under the sun – either here or there. Truth seems to be the most inconvenient thing on earth as everyone everywhere prefers to stick to lies instead.

    But now something else is also adding to that anger and frustration. It is a quiet understanding that no matter what their suffocating lies are we cannot be different either and cannot give up the truth, and this means that we will have to live and function in a world parallel to theirs. They prefer not to notice us, so we can choose not to pay attention to them either and keep doing what is necessary to be done – restoring the truth and finding out who was really who in this shameful matter of Michael’s lifelong harassment.

    The work needs to be done even without thinking what will come of it, because the outcome of it is in the spheres that are totally beyond us.

    I’ve always believed that the truth is absolute in its quality and it is a big honor to be the one who uncovers it and restores things the way they really were. And speaking up for Michael and telling the truth about him is a big, an incredibly big honor on its own.

  22. lynande51 permalink
    February 6, 2013 7:04 am

    Even if what the insiders letter says is true the press and the haters will never allow it to be. Whiles I have been looking up articles I have found some of the most ridiculous things being said about Michael’s kids. I have even heard them say that Debbie herself said that the kids weren’t Michael’s when the person that made up that story was sued by her and Debbie won because she never spoke to the woman. Her name was Rebecca White someone who tried to get herself in other celebrity stories as well. I have been researching a lot of stories because of Sullivan’s book and oddly enough I have found many of those stories are in fact just taken from that one woman.
    The truth is that Debbie’s Lawyer Iris Finsilver was on Larry King and she said that “absolutely” those kids are Michael’s. In a court document that Zonen had filed they had to tell her that they wouldn’t ask about sex with Michael because that was specifically what was prohibited in the confidentiality clause. Now why would Michael prohibit her from talking about their sex life if they never had one?

  23. February 6, 2013 12:08 am

    “Has anyone even considered that most of what the media says about the kids parentage is in fact a ploy to get Blanket’s mother to come forward?”

    Lynette, I think you have hit the nail on the head here. The more I read Frank Cascio and other information about that period the more I realize that Michael’s friends sort of encrypted all facts about Blanket’s mother to avoid a terrible media hysteria around her, and what’s more important – around Blanket.

    And it looks to me like it is done by them on purpose. Well, Michael could have announced to Frank in May 2001 that he was going to be a father, but it doesn’t mean anything except his plans to be one (or his thinking so). Natural or articifial insemination – at that stage no one could really know. As you mentioned somewhere more time was needed to really make sure.

    Michael’s confident manner of announcing it also surprises me as I remember how dreamlike and fearful of talking about Debbie Rowe’s second pregnancy (with Paris) Michael was in that interview with Barbara Walters. He didn’t speak about it at all, as if he was afraid to say it too soon. The interview was on September 7, 1997 when Debbie should have been 3 months pregnant already. And still Michael said “Let’s say I am not sure yet” and stopped all conversation with “Shhhh, pleeeease”.

    If Michael’s close friends and aides are shrouding the circumstances of Blanket’s birth in secrecy, making it as contradictory as it is only possible, this will explain that slight note of insincerity which I also feel in the Insider’s letter about Michael concerning that matter.

    I suggest we don’t discuss it any further, leaving it as it is, if this is what Michael wanted it to be, at least until a much later time.

    P.S. I would like to make it a point that whatever Michael’s aide said about the “third woman” and the circumstances of Blanket’s birth it doesn’t make the rest of his letter less authentic. In a way it makes it even more authentic than we could ever expect.

  24. February 5, 2013 4:31 pm

    “I refuse to put my total faith in an article that refers to Michael as J$ck0 unless it can be corroborated by a reliable source.” - Tatum

    It is the Daily Mirror article – which is a diagnosis in and of itself. Another point that discourages me from discussing things like that is a confidentiality clause which is usually part of the agreement between the parent(s), the surrogate mother and the clinic. Neither party can talk about anyone’s identity.

    Here is a confidentiality clause I’ve found in one (Ukrainian) surrogacy contract:

    “The company Renaissance, Inc., the private clinic, the surrogate mother, and all parties are subject to confidentiality and will not disclose any information about the identity of biological parents or born child to third parties.”

    And in the Daily Mirror article the doctors who delivered the baby allegedly gabbed about the surrogate, the baby and Michael Jackson as if they were some gossip girls in a village where everyone knows all the news anyway. And this is the clinic which Michael Jackson supposedly approached? Where did he find such a great place?

  25. February 5, 2013 4:11 pm

    “Why is it that no one ever considers the science and the policies and proceedures of IVF or artificial insemination when they talk about the Jackson children. The likelyhood that Michael would have had twins at least is about 76% if he went with a surrogate”

    Exactly, Lynette.

  26. lynande51 permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:52 pm

    The tabloids also once said that Blanket’s mother was Omer’s mother so why would any reference in a tabloid be used to establish a fact?

  27. February 4, 2013 6:30 pm

    There have been many different tabloid stories about who the supposed surrogate was, there’s also another tabloid story that she’s British. So which was it, British, hispanic? Italian like Cascio said? Cascio seems to have been the one to have shared the surrogacy story with his friend Roger Friedman back around 2004 too, he gives the same sort of description of her to him then.

  28. February 4, 2013 6:02 pm

    Lynande is right re the the IVF pregnancies being high risk, and involves implanting of several embryos, many of them are later removed. Twins are common.In an IVF, spermdonor, egg dononor and the woman carying the child can be 3 different people. Eggs from one woman are feritilised in vitro and then intoduced to a surrogate mother.-
    AI just means (usually) that the sperm is introduced into the mothers vagina at a moment an egg is ready, in humans most likely midcycle. This can be specifically determined.This is the most common insemination in veterinary medicine for practical reasons.
    All these methods can be used to improve the possibility in fetilisation between married couples who have had difficulties conceiving a child.The wife is given hormonal treatment that produces several eggs which are harvested and then fertilised in vitro by the husbands sperm.and the embryos introduced to the wifes womb.

  29. February 4, 2013 5:10 pm

    If he wasn’t conceived by IVF, then why would Michael have used an egg donor. I wound assume that’s the only reason he’d go for that. And I can’t see Frank just making something like that up in his book. All articles I looked up say he went with an egg donor/surrogate. No idea who the source of the info was, but I think it was an attorney close to Michael.

    I don’t believe Blanket was conceived naturally. And I don’t think any of us will ever know for sure if he was or not.

    Personally, it shouldn’t matter to us how Michael had children. I don’t think his kids care and when they get older, they can figure that out themselves if they so choose.

    I don’t know how the process of IVF or AI work, so thanks for the info :) I only knew bits and pieces of how it worked.

  30. lynande51 permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:37 am

    And since Michael always said he wanted at least 10 children of his own why didn’t he just go ahead and have 10 different surrogates have 10 babies at the same time? He wanted children from all over the world so he could have ahd a surrogate from every continent because they have the science everywhere and the agencies to do it.

  31. lynande51 permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:33 am

    Can I interject here with some information about the surrogate thing. If a surrogate was chosen and impregnated in May he would not have been told if it was a viable pregnancy until August. All IVF fertilization is considered a high risk pregnancy so they also always implant 5 embryos because they usually miscarry some of the embryos. Why is it that no one ever considers the science and the policies and proceedures of IVF or artificial insemination when they talk about the Jackson children. The likelyhood that Michael would have had twins at least is about 76% if he went with a surrogate and IVF but he somehow manages to be the one person that ends up with single births only? No, I think they were conceived naturally and that is just one reason.

  32. February 4, 2013 5:56 am

    I’ve been thinking that too. After reading the article and watching the Bashir video again, Michael could have been referring to both women. In the one statement where he said he didn’t know the mother, he could have been talking about the egg donor. When he made the statement about knowing her, but keeping her identity a secret, he was probably talking about the surrogate.

    Looking at the scenario from that point of view makes the insider’s article a bit more authentic. Again, I still doubt the validity of some of the information in it.

    There were other articles that I found that didn’t refer to Michael as J****, but the one I posted, had a lot more information in it than the other ones I looked at.

  33. February 4, 2013 4:49 am

    “Now it can be revealed his mother was a pretty Latino nurse who Jackson personally selected. Jackson paid Helena a $20,000 surrogacy fee to have his child and lavished her with gifts, generous expenses and staff to see to her needs.

    I don’t think this disproves the authenticity of the letter in discussion because when Michael spoke about the egg donor in the Bashir documentary it sounded like the surrogate (possibly a black woman) was the one who Michael had admiration for. I refuse to put my total faith in an article that refers to Michael as J$ck0 unless it can be corroborated by a reliable source. In this letter, it could be referring to the surrogate herself, which she is technically the mother as well. The only thing in this letter I can’t wrap my head around is Diana Ross being his first. She always seemed to look at him like someone she had raised.

  34. February 4, 2013 3:01 am

    “Jackson decided on Helena” - Tia

    Thank you.

    P.S.
    I’ve read about that story before. Okay, I’ll look into it again – though this theme is officially closed with me for the next twenty years. And I removed the “ring story” because I realized my mistake.

  35. February 3, 2013 9:16 pm

    “Why would it have been awfully hard for Michael to have sexual relations with a woman when he was in Florida? Is Florida a totally unsuitable place for having relations with a woman?”

    It would have been awfully hard for Michael to have had sexual relations (in Florida) with the woman that was Blanket’s mother.
    a: Michael was in Florida at the time that Blanket was conceived. Unless Michael had sex with the woman in the few days before Frank came to Florida to see Michael, then I find it hard to believe that he knew/had sex with her.
    b: Michael told Frank the news from his hotel room in Florida. He said that a surrogate mother was carrying his and the egg donor’s child.

    In reply to the pictures posted (or were posted) of Michael signing albums in New York: The ring he was wearing can be easily explained by a video on YouTube. A fan asked Michael if he would marry her, and then she proceeded to give the ring to Michael. He ended up putting it on and wore it for the remainder of the album signing. There was no ring on his finger before that moment. So that’s why he’s got a ring on.

    This article from http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/michael-jackson-exclusive-blanket-jacksons-412013 (true or not), explains that Michael chose an egg donor and then chose a surrogate:
    “Now it can be revealed his mother was a pretty Latino nurse who Jackson personally selected. Jackson paid Helena a $20,000 surrogacy fee to have his child and lavished her with gifts, generous expenses and staff to see to her needs.

    Her identity has been a secret since Blanket was born. On his birth certificate Michael Joseph Jackson is identified as the father but the line for “Name of Mother” is left blank.

    The child was conceived through IVF. Jackson donated his sperm for the procedure.

    An unknown woman, also chosen for her gene pool, was the egg donor – effectively making her Blanket’s biological mother.

    The woman was paid a mere $3,500 for her contribution and signed legal papers handing over all rights to the child.

    Helena was one of a string of women presented to the star as possible surrogates. He reviewed several profiles which included photos, full background checks and family history.

    Jackson decided on Helena, who lived on the outskirts of San Diego at the time.”

    I’m not trying to disprove the entirety of the insider’s letter. Just the part involving Michael and Blanket’s mother. She was an egg donor, Michael was the sperm donor. A surrogate carried the baby.

  36. February 3, 2013 2:08 pm

    “Michael was in Florida. And he had been in Florida for some time. May would have been when Blanket was conceived. It would have been awfully hard for Michael to have sexual relations with the woman when he was in Florida.” - Tia

    Why would it have been awfully hard for Michael to have sexual relations with a woman when he was in Florida? Is Florida a totally unsuitable place for having relations with a woman?

  37. February 3, 2013 9:02 am

    In that interview with Bashir, Michael tells two accounts of his relationship with Blanket’s mother. One moment he says that he didn’t know her and that she was a surrogate. The next moment, he says that he does know her, they had a relationship, and that he kept her secret to protect her from the media. That account goes against what Frank wrote in his book.

    Here’s the excerpt from the book:
    ” …Michael sought an egg donor for his next child. Without Debbie as a familiar, willing volunteer, he resolved that his relationship with any prospective mother would be anonymous. I remember a day when he and I were in his suite at the Four Seasons, perusing a big binder full of pictures of potential donors…I flipped through the pages until the photo of one young woman caught my eye.”
    “…He said ‘Let’s do it,’ and I called the doctor to give him the young woman’s donor ID number. Now in the Florida hotel room, Michael was telling me that everything had worked out. A surrogate mother was pregnant with Michael and the donor’s baby.”

    With the amount of time that Frank spent with Michael, it would seem odd that Frank never saw this woman in Michael’s life. His account of him and Michael looking through a book of donors makes a lot more sense than what both the insider said and what Michael said in his interview with Bashir. Only one of Michael’s statements can be true. I’m leaning more towards the one that is backed up by Frank. Michael never fell in love with Blanket’s mother. In fact, I don’t think they ever met. Blanket was born in February 2002. In May 2001 (9 months before Blanket’s birth), Michael was in Florida. And he had been in Florida for some time. May would have been when Blanket was conceived. It would have been awfully hard for Michael to have sexual relations with the woman when he was in Florida. And another thing, the woman carrying Blanket wasn’t even the same woman who was the egg donor. So that just makes it even even harder for me to believe that Michael had a thing for, and was in love with Blanket’s mother.

    I still don’t know what to think of this insider’s letter. It might be true, it might not be. I don’t believe the part about Michael’s relationship with Blanket’s mother, anyways. It just doesn’t work with the timeline of Blanket’s conception and birth.

  38. January 21, 2013 5:26 pm

    “I just thought that she had regretted telling him to go for it , with Debbie” - nannorris

    I am more that sure that she regretted it very much, and this is why that close Michael’s confidant thought that “knocking up” Debbie was one of Michael’s biggest mistakes in life. If it hadn’t been for it Lisa Marie would have eventually agreed. “And they would have been happy forever after” – like in a fairy tale.

  39. nannorris permalink
    January 20, 2013 10:48 pm

    I was under the impression that He was still sleeping with LMP up until Blanket was conceived.
    I just thought that she had regretted telling him to go for it , with Debbie ,, pretty much actually overlooked that he had children with Debbie and and offered to have his children .., according to the Rabbi makes sense…
    Maybe he changed the status of the relationship to platonic and decided to have a baby with someone else.
    Because he wanted to be in control of any situation involving his children, He didnt need anyone else helping make decisions for his children ,He seemed to be excellent with it on his own…
    He loved all kids …..didnt matter who bore them…it was unconditional
    But I dont think that didnt mean he didnt have feelings for LMP, he just was protecting that part of his life
    Can you imagine how maddening it must have been to have Michael begging you for a child, and you say no, and he goes to someone else .
    Then you change your mind and are begging him and he is the one saying no..? ouch
    ……
    That would mean LMP was humiliated and hurt over the same issue twice…..Then she started going on shows making snide remarks , and everybody would eat it up………………
    Now she has regrets, but I think that she always attributes everything to drugs and the parallels of Elvis, because that part, is really hard to admit to anyone, much less the public.
    She didnt tell Oprah anything about the ongoing relationship until after Mj had passed and she could give her version of events , with out MJ getting his say
    Easier to say he had drug issues , she left him and Blanket was conceived , then he chose someone else for the mother instead of her, yet again.
    But if his issues with drugs were so severe, she wouldnt have been offering to have his child and she wouldnt have been bringing her own children around him…

    But I always thought he still cared for her, just wanted to be a single parent.

  40. alinemj permalink
    January 20, 2013 9:51 pm

    There is an exchange of emails between that person and a fan, I read them all a few years ago, however I can not find, I do not remember if there were more questions about June, if someone has this other e-mail, please put maybe can help us.

  41. January 20, 2013 11:15 am

    “The constant talk about drugs and of course her total denial of the real cause of filing for divorce the next day is annoying.” - kaarin

    I hope that one day Lisa Marie will tell the truth. She needs time and an honest interviewer without an agenda.

  42. January 20, 2013 4:44 am

    So June C. and LMP overlap .I am very curiuos about more info on her.I have some hypothesis, but that will be til later if at all.
    LMP should not have agreed to that interview with Oprah.The constant talk about drugs and of course her total denial of the real cause of filing for divorce the next day is annoying.

  43. January 20, 2013 4:37 am

    That makes Frank 21 yo when Blanket was born, and maybe 20 when he was conceived
    And Michael resp.43 and 44 when Blanket was born.Just wonder how detailed a 40+ man´s account of his lovelife to a much younger man would be.

  44. January 20, 2013 2:35 am

    “Can anybody tell what year was Frank C. born, just to have some idea of his age”. – kaarin

    Frank says that he was 4 when he met Michael and he thinks that Michael was 27 at the time. This makes the age difference between them something like 23 years.

    So if Michael was born in 1958, Frank Cascio was born 23 years later, which takes us to 1981. He must be 32 or so now.

  45. January 20, 2013 2:17 am

    There are other contested statements in the letter;Diana R. was his first..and when he stopped f ing LMP,the reason being that, he met the mother of his third child and fell in love.Can anybody tell what year was Frank C. born, just to have some idea of his age.

  46. January 20, 2013 1:38 am

    “Haters THINK they know stuff…they THINK, based on their own ideas and theories…and it’s truly laughable.” - Rodrigo

    Yes, they only THINK they know stuff but in their interpretation everything looks so flat, so vulgar, so terribly unlike Michael that it is indeed laughable. In fact his real life was much more complex and intriguing than any of them can ever imagine.

    I am afraid we are asking too much of these primitive people. How can you explain the flying of a bird to a snake crawling in the dirt?

  47. Rodrigo permalink
    January 19, 2013 10:28 pm

    “Some people are so idiotic i came across someone claiming on a forum that Michael was a P and that he had some kind of P syndrome in which the P gets sexually aroused from thinking they are a child themselves there was an article someone had done”

    I suppose that explains why Michael used to giggle a lot on camera then?

    It’s a load of sick tripe. This does not, in anyway, apply to Michael Jackson. And I’m not just saying that for obvious reasons. Because thinking about the thing entirely, with Michael in the situation, it doesn’t make sense.

    I’m sick of all these stupid theories people have about him. We analyze from the inside out, given from facts straight from the horses mouth.

    Haters THINK they know stuff…they THINK, based on their own ideas and theories…and it’s truly laughable.

  48. January 19, 2013 2:58 pm

    “I don’t agree that if some part of the letter is correct, all of it is correct.” - aldegaran

    This again has to do with science and principles of its work. What we are doing here is reconstruction of the past events and this work is similar to that of historians. And they have certain principles of verifying the veracity of what they find.

    When an ancient document is uncovered they verify it by all other sources available to them. If the comparison proves that the author described the events (already known to historians) correctly, the other events described in the document (but still unknown to historians) are also regarded as credible. Not yet verified but credible.

    Then a search starts to verify these newly uncovered facts and if they are confirmed by other credible sources, the facts are regarded as final and the original source where they came from as true. Its author acquires the status of an objective reporter of the past, though of course there could be certain limits to his perception and knowledge.

    This is exactly what we are doing here – looking for documents, uncovering new facts, verifying them by other sources. Up till now I have no reason to doubt the author of the letter. He knew details no one could know and didn’t distort facts. Moreover he offered his own critical views of Michael’s behavior, and this helped us understand what was indeed happening between MJ, LMP and Debbie in the period of 1995-1996.

    Not that the above matters that much. Again I have to repeat it – we (or at least I) try to verify the letter in order to make sure that it is credible in respect of June Chandler.

    My post about June Chandler is almost ready, however I have a party today and will not be able to finish it off.

  49. January 19, 2013 2:22 pm

    “I actually hesitate to make any further comments since it unleashes so much anger and disrespect from you, VMJ, which is surprising since I have really tried to be helpful now and in the past.”

    Aldebaran, please don’t be surprised, you simply do not know me well enough. I don’t disrespect you , but I don’t respect your opinion about the situation with June Chandler, and these are two different things.

    Yes, I am thankful to you for your help in providing to me Dr. Gardner’s principles of assessing the veracity of interviews, but please don’t confuse my gratitude to you for this and other things with search for the truth.

    I don’t side with people – I side with the truth (or at least try to). This means that if my friend, ally, another Michael’s supporter, an ardent advocate of his innocence, or simply a fan makes what I consider to be a mistake I will never hesitate to say it. It also means that if a hater, opponent or even Diane Dimond says some truth (which is unlikely of course, but in theory possible) I will not hesitate to say it either.

    If you are really committed to searching for the truth you will not side with anyone just because they are friends (neither will you automatically condemn everything a hater says, he may be right in some things). Friendship and research do not coincide.

    Look at us as if we were scientists. Scientists can be the best of friends but the most fierce opponents of each other in their research. And the fact that they are friends absolutely does not affect their views in science. They may adhere to totally different ‘schools of thought’.

    Aristotle said it best of all: “Plato is dear to me, but dearer still is truth”.

  50. January 19, 2013 5:24 am

    Cindy Lauper was condsidered on par with Madonna in the 80:ies.

  51. January 19, 2013 5:18 am

    As fot the singer my gues is Cindy Lauper.She received the best new artist reward at th 27Th Grammy Awards and also sang on”We are the world”

  52. Tatum Marie permalink
    January 19, 2013 2:21 am

    I’m not sure I believe the Dianna Ross portion but it’s okay to go on the portion of the letter that’s already been corroborated by truthful sources. As far as what it states about Debbie and Lisa it seems to be completely honest. Unknown or questionable character sources can give is leads despite not being able to fully give us facts.

  53. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 19, 2013 1:23 am

    @Helena

    “This idiotic pseudo-scientific talk infuriates me. Please don’t ever, ever listen to what some ‘experts’ calling themselves psychologists say. As a daughter of a psychology professor I’ve heard her react with extreme annoynance a thousand times to the nonsense people say in the name of their science.”

    I agree especially when you exposed the “academics” that were supporting Tom Carroll’s filthy book of bullshit.

  54. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 18, 2013 11:38 pm

    BECAUSE IF THE LETTER IS CORRECT IN RESPECT OF LISA AND DEBBIE, IT IS ALSO CORRECT IN RESPECT OF JUNE CHANDLER. –vmj

    I don’t agree that if some part of the letter is correct, all of it is correct. I actually hesitate to make any further comments since it unleashes so much anger and disrespect from you, VMJ, which is surprising since I have really tried to be helpful now and in the past.

  55. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 18, 2013 9:56 pm

    oh and it was on Klein’s Facebook page.

  56. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 18, 2013 9:56 pm

    Klein is now going around still saying he is Prince Jackson’s father, he posted a picture of himself under a picture of Prince with the title “Hmmmm”

    That guy is scum!

  57. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 18, 2013 9:54 pm

    “a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the sh.it back in the day”

    Maybe it could have been Whitney Houston.

    The sitcom star may have been Jane Fonda, was she part of a sitcom?

  58. January 18, 2013 4:07 pm

    Not Madonna, no. They went out on a few public dates but were never thought of as dateting per se.

  59. January 18, 2013 4:04 pm

    Chrisitna Applegate´s father Robert W. Applegate was a music producer. She went on acting in severa movies after this sitcom was over. You can find her on Wiki.

  60. January 18, 2013 3:47 pm

    Sitcom: Married with Children, in the early 80:ies.Chrisina Applegate played the older teen age daughter. Pretty,blond,not a bad actress . A familycomedy, ok light entertainment.

  61. katina permalink
    January 18, 2013 2:31 pm

    Who is the 80’s sitcom star? KIm Fields? And the singer had to have been Madonna right?

  62. January 18, 2013 6:20 am

    Yeah, well, he wants to, but he can barely write anything coherent at this point, so odds are it won’t see the light of day, or if it does it will be self published and a mess. Klein knows nothing about MJ’s personal life.

    He admitted the Jason Pfeiffer thing was a lie, but claimed it was just them lying, and didn’t admit to being the one to plan and write it. He can sod off, his lies about MJ and about Prince are disgusting.

  63. January 18, 2013 6:14 am

    The actress from a popular early 80.ies sitcom, hmm.. maybe Christina Applebaum ,she was Al and Peggy Bundy´s daugher Kelly.

  64. Rodrigo permalink
    January 18, 2013 6:10 am

    Klein said to Evan Chandler that Michael was straight.

    Then, I don’t know if he actually did it or not, said that Michael had a gay affair with assistant.

    Now he’s saying he was asexual?

    The dude can go piss off.

  65. alinemj permalink
    January 18, 2013 5:54 am

    Klein will write a book saying that Michael was asexual?

    About the photo in what appears to be a tear (this photo on February 98), it opened a hole in my heart, they were suffering. But the letter says they were only having sex, as I understand, no feelings (at least on the part of Michael).
    Another thing I noticed that Michael called June, Lily and Jordan for my family or my little family, but Cascio family, he called being with my second family. Therefore, I believe the intention was for Michael to make them for your family (a family normal, was the thing that Michael wanted more)

    I have a doubt how old June had?

  66. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 18, 2013 3:35 am

    “I’m figuring “an actress from a popular ’80s/earl 90s sitcom” is Maurine McCormick, and “a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the…” is Stephanie Mills. Anyone else think that?”

    But the Brady Brunch only ran from late 60’s and to the mid 70’s.

  67. January 18, 2013 2:27 am

    Arnie Klien, Liza and Elizabeth might have known all this stuff

    Klein was not a friend to MJ like that. After all his crazy stories he says he’s now gonna write a book about MJ and talk about how he was asexual and scared of sex. He knows nothing. He was one of those people MJ kept only at a certain distance to his life. Like Karen Faye.

    If this insider is legit, I’d imagined they were like a bodyguard or some other detail like that, because MJ seemed to relax and just show that side of himself to the people who were around him all the time. I’d also think this was a black guy speaking.

  68. nannorris permalink
    January 18, 2013 2:17 am

    When I read that letter, I thought of Maureen McCormick, ( Marcia, from the Brady Bunch ) also because she has mentioned hanging out with MJ before…
    Bill Bray does look like the guy from the “Who Is It’ video..I had thought of him too.
    Hard to recall, who has been around him for so many years and would have his confidence..
    Arnie Klien, Liza and Elizabeth might have known all this stuff, but it sounds like a man..
    I also think , besides MJ being very private, who ever he may have had a relationship with , was somewhat muzzled into not saying anything , because , as Frank DeLio said, he liked his fans to think he was available..
    And then with how brutal the media was describing him as a monster, people might not have wanted to step forward and admit an affair with him.
    I am not a LMP fan ,, but it might have been difficult to sit on tv , when people are questioning you , like you have been duped by MJ, and he was using you ,, or he is a freak.
    The way Diane Sawyer said to her ” Michael Jackson???!!!!…
    Like she couldnt believe LMP could have viewed him as a man she could love ..
    The mob mentality of pig piling on somebody, might have made people hesitate to speak up in his defense also..
    Like with Tatum …I find it hard to believe that MJ could have felt she was a girlfriend and she was passing it off , as nothing, like he imagined it..He spoke about her to different people..

  69. January 18, 2013 2:05 am

    “If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with.” ~Michael Jackson

    @prov31wmn, the quote is phenomenal in its wisdom. But it also shows how much Michael wanted and needed love. If someone was there to offer it to him he was easy to respond and believe it.

  70. January 18, 2013 12:26 am

    “People are welcome to believe that he was in love with June, even though I don’t buy it, but we are all different and have different opinions. This is normal. I respect everyone’s opinion, even if it differs from mine, and I hope I can have the same courtesy. Thanks!” – aldebaranredstar

    Aldebaran, you probably forget why we are discussing it at all. This is not a mere exchange of opinions of “what you think” or “what I think” and we are not engaged in mere gossip here, as if it were some girlie fan forum.

    I, for one, DON’T think that Michael was really in love with June Chandler, but following the insider’s word believe that some sort of an affair WAS developing between June Chandler and Michael, and he probably had some personal plans as regards her and her family. Probably not then, but at a later time.

    He could be just probing and “trying” a family life with her upon himself. Probably he intensified their relations up to staying in her home to check up whether it was the love he was really looking for and whether it would work out for him or not.

    But the facts are there – he invited June and her children to various places, stayed with them in hotels, in June’s home, gave her jewelry and other gifts, allowed her to go shopping with his credit card, etc.

    This situation was turned inside out and presented by Evan Chandler, Jordan and the media as Michael’s interest in the boy, while our source, whom I came to believe very much, says that it was NOT the boy. The insider says it that all of it was due to JUNE CHANDLER and not due to Jordan, and that moreover, there was a lot of jealousy from Jordan’s side, which is why he probably went for that scam.

    Up till now EVERYTHING the insider said was confirmed by the facts from other sources. And this makes me think that this man knew the whole truth about June Chandler AS WELL. Because if he knew every little detail about Lisa Marie and Debbie, he knew of the situation with June Chandler too.

    I am writing these posts not because I am simply waggling my tongue gossiping about Michael’s private life. And I don’t even care for the names of the other women. All I want to know is the truth about June Chandler, and this is why I am discussing this letter in so much detail.

    BECAUSE IF THE LETTER IS CORRECT IN RESPECT OF LISA AND DEBBIE, IT IS ALSO CORRECT IN RESPECT OF JUNE CHANDLER.

    If you choose not to believe the insider – okay, it is your right. But I am not going to give you the courtesy of respecting your opinion. I do believe the insider’s letter, and act on his words. I also act on the basis of numerous hints from Thomas Mesereau himself (his questions like “Did you drop off your clothes in Michael’s bedroom?”, “Did you order food into his bedroom?” or “Did you discuss your marriage to David Scwartz with Michael Jackson?”)

    Who else did Thomas Mesereau ask similar questions? NOBODY ELSE.
    Why did he ask them? Just for mere gossip? I DON’T THINK SO.

    Sorry, but I am not going to agree with the opinions of those who don’t want to accept the truth though it is practically glaring in their faces.

    What I will agree with is that we will never know how much feeling Michael had for June Chandler (probably very little or just some initial interest), but I will never agree with the fact that the Chandler case was revolving around Jordan (as your disagreement with the June Chandler version actually suggests).

    I am sure that the Chandler case was not revolving around JORDAN, Lily and June Chandler.
    I am sure that it was revolving around JUNE CHANDLER, Jordan and Lily.

  71. January 17, 2013 11:43 pm

    “Some people are so idiotic i came across someone claiming on a forum that Michael was a P and that he had some kind of P syndrome in which the P gets sexually aroused from thinking they are a child themselves there was an article someone had done” – Truth prevail

    This idiotic pseudo-scientific talk infuriates me. Please don’t ever, ever listen to what some ‘experts’ calling themselves psychologists say. As a daughter of a psychology professor I’ve heard her react with extreme annoynance a thousand times to the nonsense people say in the name of their science.

    This “sexual arousal” thing is Kinsey’s legacy again. He saw sex everywhere, and his followers see sex everywhere too – even when people retain some childlike features in their character. How perverse should the mind of these “experts” be to imply that someone may be aroused if he thinks that he is a child himself? Do they mean to say that children are highly sexual beings? And in order to be aroused one must go back to childhood, while the reality is exactly the opposite?

    I’ll tell you that people writing and saying all this nonsense tend to be ped-les themselves, because such perverse thoughts can originate only in a perverse mind.

    Fortunately psychologists have to do with normal minds, and it is only psychiatrists who deal with mentally ill people. I don’t envy them – they see so much ugliness and perversion that at one moment they can stop seeing things clearly themselves. A psychiatrist is a risky profession.

  72. January 17, 2013 11:41 pm

    I’m figuring “an actress from a popular ’80s/earl 90s sitcom” is Maurine McCormick, and “a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the…” is Stephanie Mills. Anyone else think that?

  73. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 17, 2013 11:33 pm

    It’s interesting to me that Michael is with LMP May 5th before he goes to Monaco on May 9th, 1993.

    LMP talks about how he takes her somewhere and tells her he is not gay, swears, acts like a red-blooded male, etc, and concludes “You and me could get into a whole lot of trouble, girl.” Does anyone know the date?

    People are welcome to believe that he was in love with June, even though I don’t buy it, but we are all different and have different opinions. This is normal. I respect everyone’s opinion, even if it differs from mine, and I hope I can have the same courtesy. Thanks!

  74. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 17, 2013 11:19 pm

    “before becoming involved with a pretty, blond employee of his, an actress from a popular ’80s/early ’90s sitcom, a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the sh.it”

    Anyone figured out some names?

  75. Truth Prevail permalink
    January 17, 2013 10:42 pm

    “Michael announces 50 shows in London, THIS IS IT.”

    You mean 10 shows.

    Some people are so idiotic i came across someone claiming on a forum that Michael was a P and that he had some kind of P syndrome in which the P gets sexually aroused from thinking they are a child themselves there was an article someone had done i did not click it and did not bring it here because i did not want to give it exposure.

  76. January 17, 2013 9:54 pm

    November 1992: Los Angeles…Meet for the first time as adults (& begin a friendship) at the Pacific Palisades home of Australian artist, Brett Livingston Strong.
    May 5, 1993: Michael is invited by ex-president Jimmy Carter to Atlanta in order to boost the Atlanta Immunization Drive. Afterwards, Michael joins Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Emmanuel Lewis & Lisa Marie Presley in the front row during the Kids Celebration at OMNI.

    Aldebaran, thank you for posting it. As to the two dates above, it is very little as compared with Michael’s close association with June Chandler and her family at the time.

    ????????
    MJ & children return to Las Vegas

    Michael and the children returned to Las Vegas from Ireland for Christmas time in December 2006. At the end of December Michael attended James Brown’s funeral.

    What’s missing, or just plain wrong, in the timeline?

    A lot is missing. We can add that the photo of Lisa Marie crying at the Ivy restaurant was dated September 1998, or almost three years after their divorce. I can also add a little bit about Lisa Marie’s present life and views. Frankly, they impressed me. But then it will have to be another post. Probably I’ll make one as a supplement to what has already been said.

  77. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 17, 2013 9:17 pm

    Okay, this is for the die-hard LMP/Michael fans. The timeline. No LMP/MJ thread is complete without one. Notice all the time they spend together after the dinner at The Ivy…

    What’s missing, or just plain wrong, in the timeline?

    November 1992:
    Los Angeles…Meet for the first time as adults (& begin a friendship) at the Pacific Palisades home of Australian artist, Brett Livingston Strong.

    May 5, 1993
    Michael is invited by ex-president Jimmy Carter to Atlanta in order to boost the Atlanta Immunization Drive. Afterwards, Michael joins Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Emmanuel Lewis & Lisa Marie Presley in the front row during the Kids Celebration at OMNI.

    February 2, 1994
    Jackson created “a buzz from the crowd” Wednesday night at the Sheraton Desert Inn Hotel (Las Vegas?) when he attended a show here, accompanied by Lisa Marie Presley.

    May 25, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie Presley arrive at Casa de Campo in the Domenican Republic .

    May 26, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie secretly marry in a 12-minute ceremony attended by Eva Darling & Danny Keough (LMP’s ex-husband)!

    June 5, 1994
    Michael takes Lisa Marie & her children, Benjamin & Danielle, to Disneyworld in Florida.

    July 11, 1994
    Michael Jackson moves into Trump Tower with Lisa Marie Presley, the New York Post reported today. Jackson spokesman, Lee Solters, insisted he had nothing to add to his earlier denial of the wedding. A spokeswoman for Lisa Marie said she still had not contacted Lisa Marie and had not discussed the matter with her mother, Priscilla. Lisa Marie is said to be relaxing in the spacious digs, with marble sinks.

    July 26/27, 1994
    Disguised as a Sheik Arab, Michael and Lisa attend Janet’s concert at Radio City Music Hall in NYC.

    August 1, 1994
    Lisa Marie confirms that she is married to Michael.

    August 5, 1994
    Michael & LMP arrive in Budapest and make their first public appearance together causing a media frenzy.

    August 6, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie visit sick children at a hospital and meet Bela Farkas, a little boy in need of a transplant. Moved by his story they decide to finance his operation that will save his life.

    August 9, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie fly back to New York where Michael resumes the recording of his new album.

    August 20, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie are on the covers of magazines worldwide (Jet, Hello, Paris Match…) with the exclusive pictures taken by photograph Dick Zimmerman.

    September 2-6, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie visit France (Nice, Cannes , Paris & Disneyland) and spend time with Prince Al Waleed who wants to launch a production company with Michael.

    September 12, 1994
    MIchael & Lisa Marie open the MTV Video Music Awards Ceremony with a kiss.

    October 8, 1994
    Michael & Lisa Marie attend an Elvis Presley tribute gala in Memphis with Janet and Lisa’s mother, Priscilla Presley.

    December 24/25, 1994
    Michael enjoys the holidays with Lisa Marie & her children at Neverland.

    January 20-24, 1995
    Michael & Lisa Marie welcome King Nana Amon Ndoufou to Los Angeles .

    February 6, 1995
    Michael & Lisa Marie visit lawyer Johnnie Cochran at his new office in L.A.

    February 23, 1995
    Michael previews several new songs from his new album at the NARM convention and is presented with an Humanitarian Award. (Lisa Marie was backstage.)

    April 18-20, 1995
    Michael & Lisa Marie welcome 46 youth from 17 countries at Neverland for the World Children Congress.

    May 25, 1995
    Michael, Lisa Marie & her daughter, Danielle, go to the Six Flags Amusement Park in Los Angeles .

    June 14, 1995
    Michael & Lisa Marie give an interview to ABC’s Primetime Live with Diane Sawyer. The Scream video is premiered. A new controversy arises about some lyrics to the song They Don’t Care About Us

    June 15, 1995
    The History album is released worldwide. Huge statues of Michael appear in some European cities. Both Life & Hello carry the pictures (taken by Harry Benson)of Michael & Lisa kissing.

    July 10, 1995
    Michael & Lisa Marie attend the opening of the Magic Johnson Sony Theatre in Los Angeles . Later they shoot the video for You Are Not Alone and appear on the cover of Jet magazine.

    July 31-August 6, 1995
    After an argument with Lisa Marie, Michael flies to Disneyland Paris to take a break.

    September 7, 1995
    Michael attends the MTV Video Music Awards in New York City . He opens the ceremony with a 20-minute long medley (including Dangerous & You Are Not Alone) and accepts an award with Janet for Scream. Lisa Marie attends separately.

    September 23, 1995
    Michael performs You Are Not Alone at the BET 15th Anniversary Special in Washington .

    September 24, 1995
    MJ and LMP go to the Memphis Zoo with her two children.

    December 6, 1995
    Michael collapses while rehearsing for a one-night concert in NYC and is rushed to Beth Israel Medical Center . He is suffering from gastro-enteritis, dehydration and electrolyte imbalances. Janet visits him cancelling her appearance at the Billboard Awards. LMP also visits and reportedly argues with Michael.

    January, 1996
    Michael’s nurse & friend, Debbie Rowe, offers him to bear his child. Her pregnancy ends in a miscarriage.

    January 18, 1996
    Lisa Marie officially files for divorce. Michael’s spokesman says they remain friends.

    November 15, 1996
    Michael marries Debbie Rowe during a private ceremony in his presidential suiteat the Sheraton-on-the-Park Hotel in Sydney, Australia

    February 13: 1997
    Prince is born.

    July 10, 1997
    Concert in Sheffield (attended by Debbie)

    July 11, 1997
    While a pregnant Debbie returns to the US , Michael goes to London where he is joined by his ex wife, Lisa Marie and her children. The single HIstory/Ghost is released in Europe .

    July 12 + 15 + 17, 1997
    Michael performs 3 concerts at the Wembley Stadium in London . (Katherine & Lisa Marie attend the shows)

    September 3, 1997
    Janet attends a listening party of The Velvet Rope in NYC with many celebrities in attendance including Lisa Marie Presley who was featured on the album.

    October 11, 1997
    Michael is made honorary member of a tribe in Phoheng. His parents Joe & Katherine & ex wife Lisa Marie attend the event.

    October 12, 1997
    Concert in Johannesburg. Michael’s parents, Lisa Marie and her children attend.

    October 15, 1997
    82nd and last concert of the History World Tour in Durban.

    October 16, 1997
    Michael and Lisa Marie leave Africa and return to Neverland with Omer Bhatti.

    November 25, 1997
    Debbie Rowe gives an interview to KNBC in Neverland where she denies tabloid rumors of an affair between Michael & Lisa Marie & announces she is pregnant with a baby girl that she & Michael want to name Paris Michael Katherine.

    February, 1998
    Michael meets Janet (who he hadn’t see since December 95!) in a Los Angeles hotel and introduces her Prince Michael Jr.

    February 7, 1998
    Michael and ex-wife Lisa-Marie share an intimate post-dinner moment outside of The Ivy restaurant in Beverly Hills.

    April 3, 1998
    Paris is born.

    July 14, 1998
    Michael has lunch with ex-wife Lisa Marie in LA.

    August 29, 1998
    Michael spends his 4Oth birthday with 3T and ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley
    seeing Janet’s concert in Las Vegas .

    September 22, 1998
    Michael attends another Janet concert in Orlando & spends time with Lisa Marie and her children.

    November 1O-20, 1998
    Michael goes to South Africa with his two kids, Lisa Marie & her kids and together they attend Janet’s concert.

    November 25, 1998
    Michael spends Thanksgiving at Hayvenhurst with the Jackson family + Lisa Marie & her kids.

    Mid December, 1998
    Michael goes to the Hit Factory in New York where he meets Teddy Riley, Janet & Lisa Marie.

    December 20, 1998
    Michael takes Prince & Paris to visit the Hilton grandchildren in New York. Meets with Janet, Lisa Marie and her children, Riley and Ben.

    March 21, 1999
    Janet attends an Oscar After Party with Shawnette & Lisa Marie Presley in Hollywood.

    June 29, 1999
    Lisa attends Joseph Jackson’s 70th birthday party at Michael’s Neverland Ranch.

    October 8, 1999
    Michael and Debbie are divorced.

    February, 2001
    Janet completes the recording of her new album in L.A.
    She attends Lisa Marie Presley birthday party.

    February 21, 2002
    Blanket Jackson is born.

    August 10, 2002
    Lisa Marie marries actor Nicholas Cage.

    November 25, 2002
    Cage files for divorce.

    November, 2002
    Michael calls LMP to check in on her after 4-month marriage ends.

    February 3, 2003
    The Bashir documentary airs.

    February, 2003
    After the Bashir documentary airs, Lisa calls Neverland. Michael invites her to the ranch. Michael completely forgets the date, and when Lisa arrives, she is told he had already left.

    November, 2003
    Charges are filed against Michael.

    May 26, 2004
    Cage divorce granted.

    January 31, 2005
    Michael’s trial starts.

    June 13, 2005
    Michael is acquitted on all counts.

    July, 2005
    Michael leaves for Bahrain.

    ????????
    MJ & children return to Las Vegas

    January 22, 2006
    Lisa marries Michael Lockwood

    March, 2008
    Lisa and Lockwood announce they are having twins.

    October 7, 2008
    Lisa’s twins are born.

    March, 2009
    Michael announces 50 shows in London, THIS IS IT.

    June 25, 2009
    Michael passes away at approximately 2:26 at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.

    June 26, 2009
    Lisa releases a blog on Myspace titled “He Knew.”

    July 7, 2009
    A public memorial service is held for Michael at the Staples Center in LA.

    October 15, 2009
    Lisa Marie leaves the Mahiki club crying after Thriller is played.

    February 10, 2010
    Priscilla Presley guest stars on Larry King Live and confirms that Lisa has taken Michael’s death extremely hard.

    Source: http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/1994.html

  78. January 17, 2013 8:55 pm

    “Who else is going to introduce you to the likes of Elizabeth Taylor and Nelson Mandela . like June Chandler was. I would say June was smitten with MJ before she ever met him..That is why she was in such hot pursuit…” – nannorris

    Exactly. And for this part I cannot even blame her. All girls want fairy-tales.

  79. January 17, 2013 8:47 pm

    “water stain on the coat seems to be like raindrops” - alinemj

    No, these were tear drops. It wasn’t raining:

    no rain drops

    And there was a tear running down her cheek:

    it wasn't raining

    http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-and-ex-wife-lisa-marie-presley-share-an-intimate-moment-outside-of-the-ivy-restaurant-in-beverly-hills(116)

  80. January 17, 2013 4:22 pm

    “look at the photo you posted where Michael is kissing—-LILY!! NOT June” – aldebaranredstar

    Kissing June Chandler in front of all those cameras? Let us not lose touch with reality.

    Claiming that Michael could easily kiss a woman he was travelling with around the world in full view of everyone is forgetting what it was like at the time. Yes, he sometimes hugged fans on stage, but even those occasional hugs sent the media and fans into a frenzy.

    Well, in fact, even Lisa Marie was not kissed that much in public. I remember only one kiss and even that one was thoroughly thought-out and well-prepared.

    P.S. It has just struck me – so in those matters which Michael wanted to keep private and secret he was very reserved in public, and for Michael this matter happens to be women. But his love for children was not secret or private matter and therefore he kissed and hugged them and took them on their lap quite openly, never thinking that it could be a problem for someone.

    And what will a real ped-le do? Exactly the opposite. He will be reserved with children in public (not to give anyone any suspicion) but will flaunt his relationships with women throwing much dust into people’s eyes.

  81. January 17, 2013 4:07 pm

    “when June came along so why why would he be attracted to June when at the same time you are saying LMP and he had this amazing love affair?” – aldebaranredstar

    Let us be accurate with the dates. Michael got acquainted with June and Jordan Chandler in May 1992 and then went on a tour. Half a year later they started associating with each other – in February 1993 the family was invited to Neverland for the first time. June had already been separated from her husband and was a more or less free woman.

    Lisa Marie Presley on the other hand was still deep in her marriage. She gave birth to her son Benjamin on October 21, 1992 - so by the time Michael started seeing June Chandler Lisa’s baby was just three months old. Knowing Michael’s care for children and idea of decent behavior we can be sure that he wouldn’t want to break Lisa’s family – at least at that moment.

    When Michael was in Monaco with June Chandler and her children in May 1993, Lisa’s son was just 7 months old. With a small baby like that Lisa Marie herself would be totally unprepared for any new relationship. She was drawn closer to Michael (and he to her) AFTER the Chandler allegations – when she supported him very much and they were constantly on the phone. The real romance must have started sometime around the settlement with the Chandlers which was January 1994.

    Wiki: “In April 1994, Presley announced her separation from Keough, and flew to the Dominican Republic to get a quickie divorce, which was finalized on May 6, 1994.”

    Well, it really doesn’t matter when their love started – what matters is that June Chandler came well before any serious relationship with Lisa Marie and not simultaneously with her.

  82. January 17, 2013 3:29 pm

    “But Michael was a firm believer in marriage, so would he have been with her when she was married to Dave Schwartz? Unless she told him it was practically over anyways? Was their marriage really that strong when Michael came on the scene?” - Rodrigo

    The marriage was absolutely not strong – June Chandler and Dave Schwartz had separated by then and Michael knew about it. Thomas Mesereau is asking these questions because Michael must have informed him about it as his attorney:

    1 Q. At the time you were happy that Michael was
    2 around, because Jordan’s father was not spending
    3 time with him, and you were separated from David,
    4 correct?
    5 A. True.

    21 Q. When Michael Jackson used to stay at your
    22 home, were you in the middle of a divorce
    23 proceeding?
    24 A. No.
    25 Q. Were you separated?
    26 A. Yes.
    27 Q. Did you used to discuss your problems with
    28 David Schwartz with Michael Jackson? 5681
    1 A. Yes.
    2 Q. You actually had a lot of discussions,
    3 didn’t you?
    4 A. Not a lot.
    5 Q. You told him it was a poor relationship,
    6 didn’t you?
    7 A. What was a poor relationship?
    8 Q. Your relationship with David Schwartz.
    9 A. I told whom? I’m sorry.
    10 Q. Michael Jackson.
    11 A. Oh. No. I — I don’t — I didn’t get into
    12 my relationship about David Schwartz to Michael.
    13 Q. So you never discussed it with Michael
    14 Jackson?
    15 A. I just said that we were separated and these
    16 were not wonderful times for us.

  83. January 17, 2013 1:05 pm

    Michael at critical times made some impulsive decisions, maybe not always the best ones.
    Maybe I am the only person to think that sometimes quarreling is better than total avoidance, like disappearing or treating the other person like air. There are some rules for “good” quarreling” that can eventulally bring the parties to some conclusion or agreement. Nastiness should be avoided during such quarreling and the parties should stick to the matter.
    The Howard Stern-LMP interview was trashy.Well,trash is his signature, she should not have agreed to that interview.

  84. January 17, 2013 11:54 am

    @alinemj:
    Michael was not moved by Debbie’s testimony and he didn’t show any gratitude. He was very disappointed that she cooperated with the prosecution. Debbie looked at him during her testimony and tried to make a contact, but he looked through her and didn’t show any reaction. That’s what Aphrodite Jones described in her book.

  85. alinemj permalink
    January 17, 2013 7:32 am

    I’ve looked up the text of the letter again and noticed something I had overlooked before. He is writing:
    [Michael] “eventually knocked up Debbie, Which, (if I did not love and adore his children and think They Saved his life) I would say was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life.”
    “Which” here Refers to the fact that “Eventually he knocked up Debbie” and not to his marriage to her. We misunderstood it. The insider is talking of Michael taking an irresponsible decision because he was driven by hurt and anger instead of trying to settle the matter with Lisa Marie!

    I simply loved, I found this very interesting vision of the facts, remember that in the beginning of the 90s Debbie proposed to help give children, Michael refused saying he wanted to have a traditional family. The second time she proposed he accepted, I think he really wanted marriage work.

    She was not hopeless – after the divorce she wrote letters promising him nine children if he wanted Them, so there were other ways out of That situation would have and she finally agreed. He simply did not make the best of choices at That Moment. He was driven by anger and frustration and once impregnated Debbie was there was no way back.

    I agree and disagree, I really feel that there was a great love between them, but I remember that he told the rabbi that he had closed the heart at that moment, why? If she’s great love was agreeing to have his children.
    Karen said that Michael was very hurt with Lisa before the divorce, she begged that they give one another chance when Michael agreed, the next day she put the divorce papers, you can understand her head?or she discovered that Michael had already played with Debbie and she was pregnant?

  86. alinemj permalink
    January 17, 2013 7:07 am

    I think there is a lot of truth about Debbie Rowe being another threat for Michael during the 2005 trial because of her custody fight. When I talked to William Wagener last year I asked him about his perception of Michael during the trial and what kind of reactions he saw from Michael during the testimonies (because he was in the courtroom virtually every day). He told me that Michael had a pokerface most of the time and didn’t show much emotion during the testimonies, but on the day Debbie Rowe testified he said Michael looked extremely terrified. He didn’t know why, but it was very visible to him. In the end she wasn’t so threatening to him, but he must have been frightened about what could happen with his kids.

    What kind of bomb Debbie say? Everything I have read during the trial was that this was the only time he was moved, they looked at each other and seemed to have gratitude between Them.

  87. alinemj permalink
    January 17, 2013 6:28 am

    I never thought this photo, Lisa was crying, I see her smiling and that water stain on the coat seems to be like raindrops.

  88. January 17, 2013 5:51 am

    June was a former model.

  89. nannorris permalink
    January 17, 2013 5:44 am

    The license plate is after the 4 minute mark in this video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENC5MEzrRp8
    this article by Mesereau..http://www.mesereauyu.com/random-thoughts-on-trial-practice-by-thomas-a-mesereau-jr
    this part here
    ———

    We are taught so many things about how to be careful in a courtroom and how to not go too far over the edge lest we embarrass ourselves. But sometimes you need to take risks to have a chance at winning. In my opinion, the best trial lawyers periodically take risks and sometimes get burned in the process.

    The bottom line is that you are mastering and understanding a human process that is unique to each case. When you are in a courtroom trying a case there is never going to be another moment quite like that one. The particular interaction and chemistry between the judge, witnesses, lawyers and evidence will never be duplicated. This chemistry will evolve and change throughout the trial and is very much affected by what you as the trial lawyer do. Reaction and spontaneous decision making are critical, and the proper reaction will often require that you scuttle ideas and strategies that you had spent considerable time preparing. When confronted with the unexpected in the courtroom, flexibility is critical. The flexible lawyer is the better one.

    For example, in the Jackson case I prepared and reviewed twenty binders of material for the critical cross-examination of a major prosecution witness. During my cross-examination, I did not use a single binder! The witness came across very differently than anticipated. Instead of the vigorous cross-examination intended, I delicately and gently conversed with this witness in a non-hostile manner. She became my witness. My decision how to cross-examine this witness happened quickly and spontaneously. I had to seize the moment.
    ———————–
    He is talking about Debbie, she was supposedly going to be a bombshell witness., that he had 20 binders to try and impeach her with…
    She actually wore a wire for the prosecutors at one time and said some nasty stuff about mj.

    Frankly , I think , at first, she might have been concerned about her children , if something happened to MJ, but she said in her testimony she had hoped to renew a friendship with MJ..
    and that didnt happen after they started talking about custody and lawyers were involved..
    I m sure that bothered her..
    Once people met him , they never wanted to leave him , and that is a problem.
    Where do most average people go, to have kind of high , that you could have with him?
    Who else is going to introduce you to the likes of Elizabeth Taylor and Nelson Mandela . like June Chandler was.
    I would say June was smitten with MJ before she ever met him..That is why she was in such hot pursuit…

  90. TatumMarie permalink
    January 17, 2013 4:20 am

    I guess the expression goes “different strokes for different folks” because I find June Chandler to be very appealing. She is tall, slender and multirational. She reminds me somewhat of the black and asian girls that Michael casted in his Blood on the dance floor and Rock my world videos. Lisa on the other hand, she was cute when with Michael but afterwards fell off the wagon.

  91. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 17, 2013 2:53 am

    VMJ, look at the photo you posted where Michael is kissing—-LILY!! NOT June. I guess we will have to agree to disagree about whether he was attracted to June–I say not and I do not see any evidence (evidence) to the contrary. Some people think she is attractive, I do not. LMP wasa way more attractive and lovely and MJ was already involved with her when June came along so why why would he be attracted to June when at the same time you are saying LMP and he had this amazing love affair?

    Re LMP changing–nononono. She got worse and worse and trashed him over and over in the media–Oprah (3 times, and yes, I include the last interview), Diana Sawyer (2 times), Howard Stern, Larry King–is this a person MJ would want a relationship with? She is showing in these interviews who she is–an angry, negative, snarling, person who blames Michael for not knowing how to love, for being a drug addict, for letting himself be surrounded by vultures, for USING HER! She also called him a motherf…er in a French magazine and said marrying him was the worst mistake of her life. And this is someone you think would have made Michael happy??? She had nothing to say about him that was positive until he died, she took no responsibility for the failure of the relationship until he died. She was a disaster for MJ but I am glad he got over it. I would be furious if an ex-husband trashed me in the media like that over such a long time. I would be so angry, but somehow he was able to cope (I don’t know how he did it with those 2 ‘wives’ who were really ‘blood on the dance floor’ types).

  92. Rodrigo permalink
    January 17, 2013 1:44 am

    I’m a 22 year old guy, and I think June Chander was a very attractive woman.

    She was well presented, sophisticated, and probably a friendly woman with Michael, so I see her being his type. If he knew he could trust her, then he would definietly have dated he,and he had no reason not to.

    But Michael was a firm believer in marriage, so would he have been with her when she was married to Dave Schwartz? Unless she told him it was practically over anyways? Was their marriage really that strong when Michael came on the scene?

  93. Rodrigo permalink
    January 17, 2013 1:27 am

    That’s what it sounded like to me also.

    But I think he was talking more about the concept of a long lasting relationship without any problems for him, he hadn’t yet experienced that like his brothers had, and it bothered him.

  94. TatumMarie permalink
    January 17, 2013 1:18 am

    The various.things about Michaels love life that came out really make me doubt the authencity of the Glenda tapes. I dont think I ever thought they were real but in the tapes he.said he.was.waiting until he got married.to have sex. Pahaha… As if. Forgive my typing, cell phone.

  95. January 17, 2013 12:59 am

    “I do not believe there was any chance that they would get back together after the divorce–why do I think that?” – aldebaranredstar

    Because I see Lisa Marie changing. Eventually they would have found common language. And their infatuation with each other which lasted for so many years was a good foundation for finally turning them into a happy couple. They separated not so much because of inner difficulties between themselves – no, it was public opinion that separated them.

    Now Lisa Marie doesn’t care about public opinion. She left her country for a place in rural Britain, has abandoned scientology and was even spotted selling hotdogs in a shop belonging to her friends. Her friends had a lot of fun over the fact that no one noticed that it was Lisa Marie Presley who served the customers.

    In other words she tore herself off from conventional standards and is following the trend Michael adhered to – just being herself.

    “About Bill Bray, do you think he could be the person who wrote the letter? In any case, Bill Bray was hired by Joe Jackson. Michael told stories to his real estate agent about how Bill Bray would LOCK him in his hotel room after a performance. I will later look for the exact passage.”

    Please do. I haven’t really looked into Bill Bray and his relations with Michael. At the moment it is important for me to make sure that the letter was indeed written by an insider and is therefore true. And who this insider was is a secondary matter to me (at the moment).

    “Is there any evidence beyond the letter that Michael had anything going with June Chandler? And to me, she is NOT a beautiful woman and is not MJ’s type.”

    To you she is not beautiful, while to Michael she probably was. We have very little on June Chandler as everything was effectively erased from the Internet. But I know for sure that when she was in Monaco with Michael the media was raging with stories about them together. The National Enquirer wrote that Michael was now having an adopted family, implying June as the main reason for it. The story was supposedly revealed to the press by a sister of one of June’s friends. David Schwarz, her then husband, was infuriated – he called her a “whore” and said she was ruining his business as he was afraid that banks would no longer give him credits regarding his family unstable.

    It was a very big story at the time. But the only place where we find traces of it is Ray Chandler’s book. Now I have not been able to find a single of those articles. To me it is a very telling sign – someone took everything away to promote only the official version of a “child abuse”.

  96. January 17, 2013 12:33 am

    “Leaving the mother-identity question aside, there is another reason for Blanket being so ”lost” at times. This has to do with his age. It is much more difficult for him to process the grief of the death of his father than the older siblings”.

    Kaarin, exactly. I also realize it perfectly well.

  97. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 17, 2013 12:21 am

    Hi, VMJ, about LMP and Michael, I do not believe there was any chance that they would get back together after the divorce–why do I think that? When he almost DIED and was taken to the emergency room UNCONSCIOUS, what did she do–she had a big argument with a very ill man and then went home and filed for divorce. I think that would do it for anyone, esp. after lying aboiut wanting to get pregnant (taking birth control pills), and having 3 day arguments do destroy love (I know this from experience!). LMP made it clear she did not want kids with him b/c she foresaw a huge custody battle. These 2 people did fall in love but they did not have enough in commion to sustain a relationship. Michael was a deep thinker, a profound artist, and LMP is not. Also recall that Michael told Schmuley–yes, she promised 9 kids but he had “hardened his heart” against her (i.e. written her off).

    I think what Debbie did to Michael to try and get custody back b/c he had been accused was so lowdown dirty and mean. Obviously, she had been with him for decades as a friend and had closer time with him after the relationshiop became more closwe, so she KBNEW 1000% he was not what he was accused of. I can not forgive her for what she did to him, and I am sure William W. is correct that Michael was terrified at what she would say or do on the stand.

    About Bill Bray, do you think he could be the person who wrote the letter? In any case, Bill Bray was hired by Joe Jackson. Michael told stories to his real estate agent (she wrote a book about how they found Neverland together) about how Bill Bray would LOCK him in his hotel room after a performance and how lonely Michael would feel locked in all alone. He would actually talk to the moon that shone through the window, that’s how lonely he was. He also sometimes climbed out the window and had to climb back in just to get out of the locked room and have some freedom, sometimes this was very risky to do and he might have fallen and gotten hurt. I will later look for the exact passage. Bill Bray went with them when they drove around looking at properties. I think Michael’s feelings about Bill were a bit more complicated than just a father-figure. He may have associated BB with his dad and how controlled he was under the authority of his dad and his employee BB. I am not saying he disliked BB, but there were other elements to their relationshipo that were not all great.

    Is there any evidence beyond the letter that Michael had anything going with June Chandler? And to me, she is NOT a beautiful woman and is not MJ’s type.

  98. January 17, 2013 12:12 am

    “I can try to reach my friend and ask her to give me the exact words from this chapter again.”

    No-no, Susanne, please don’t. We are not so much interested in the name of Blanket’s mother as it is indeed an incredibly sensitive point which should be handled with utmost care, and absolutely not by us, and not now.

    As regards everything else we more or less know it or can deduce ourselves. And I also think that Michael wasn’t restricted by the Jehovah’s Witnesses views, except probably his younger years. What he did was incorporation of those ideas, making them his own and living by those principles.

    I see him as an extremely decent man and whether he was born that way, or became one as a result of Katherine’s upbringing or due to Jehovah’s Witnesses teaching, we don’t know. But we do know the result – he treated women with respect and expected the same from their side. There was love, sex and fights there all right, but all of it was not for sale to the public or any sort of magazines.

    Some people practically make their living out of scandals in their private life or intimate details of their love affairs. The tinier the “star” is the more noise it makes over its escapades. If Michael had wanted it he would have made a billion out of stories about his love life (without the need to release any albums), but he simply did not want to.

    Old school, you know.

  99. January 16, 2013 11:48 pm

    “I don’t believe the first woman he slept with was Lisa-Marie. I think his complaint in the Glenda tapes was that everyone else in his family had had real long lasting relationships and went on to marry, and he wanted that himself. Wasn’t it?”

    Rodrigo, I would like to talk about the Glenda tapes in the next post. It is a big subject, so how long it will take I have no idea.

    “it just shows how secretive and private Michael was about letting people think he had a normal sex life.”

    Not quite. He wanted people to know that he was normal in his sex life, but his circumstances didn’t allow him to speak about it. If you remember he constantly wanted to marry. Marry Diana, marry Brook Shield, marry someone else I don’t yet know of. And the key word here is “marry”. It was only under that condition that he was ready to make his relations with women public and allow the media to go into his private life. He was not a man to flaunt his pre-marital affairs if he had them and put them on the cover of popular magazines. In his younger years he was very serious in his love for women. He really cared for them and didn’t use women for his publicity, as some men do. In short he was decent and a gentleman.

    Another reason why he didn’t make those relations public was that he constanly had failures with women – he never knew what those love affairs would end with. He asked one of them to marry him and she refused, he asked another one and she refused (several times too). It was humiliating. So what could he actually open up to the press? That he was constantly proposing and was constantly refused?

    If the media approaches you with questions about your love life, no person seriously in love will ever tell. Just because it is serious. It is absolutely not the same as going to noisy parties with a company of girls and place photos of your last Friday night on the Internet. Yes, this could have brought Michael the fame of a womanizer, which some “stars” long for, but he didn’t want it. He wanted real LOVE. And love can easily fly away if you do not show enough respect for it.

  100. Susannerb permalink*
    January 16, 2013 11:42 pm

    Helena, as far as I remember Wiesner didn’t tell any details about Blanket’s mother. He just mentioned in one sentence that he knows who she is, but won’t tell anybody who it is, because Blanket is the one who should know it first.
    I have read Wiesner’s book, but don’t possess it myself. It was lent to me by a friend and I gave it back to her. But I also remember that he confirmed that Michael sometimes met with women during the time of their cooperation. I also made some notes for myself to remember some quotations of Wiesner, and one quotation I wrote down is:
    “Sometimes it is claimed that Michael was restricted regarding love affairs by his mother and by her and his affiliation with the Jehova’s Witnesses. But I don’t believe this, that’s not the way he was. Michael was always himself and did always exactly what he felt like.”
    I remember he also told that he knows from conversations with Michael that he really loved Lisa Marie and that the relationship came close to his ideal (at the beginning).

    However, I can try to reach my friend and ask her to give me the exact words from this chapter again.

  101. January 16, 2013 11:05 pm

    “Debbie first said giving Michael children was a ‘gift’ and she gave him full custody, but later she changed her mind and fought for custody, and in the process she got $8 million dollars. He had already given her millions and bought her a house. She raised this custody issue in the middle of the 03-05 trial, so there were 2 threats to Michael losing his kids–jail through conviction, and maybe through a custody fight with Debbie.” - aldebaranredstar

    Initially I thought that the custody battle came in 2005 but I looked it up and it started in 2003, i.e. before the insider’s letter was written. So this man knew of the custody suit. Here is some information about it:

    The lawsuit was a byproduct of the 2003 charges filed against Jackson alleging child molestation. Rowe, who had relinquished all of her parental rights to the children, changed her mind after Jackson’s arrest, according to court documents.

    “Everything changed,” Rowe said in a declaration, and she regretted having given up her rights to see the children.

    Rowe and the pop star were married in 1996 and she filed for divorce in 1999. The divorce became final in 2000. She filed to terminate her parental rights in 2001 and the court accepted her declaration in which she said, “Michael has been a wonderful father to the children, and I do not wish to share any parenting responsibilities with Michael because he is doing so well without me.”

    According to court documents, she said, “I want to forever give up any and all rights pertaining to the children because I believe that by doing so, it is in the children’s best interest.”

    Before that, she said in documents, Jackson had allowed her visitation rights only if she went to distant locations such as Geneva and South Africa.

    After Jackson’s arrest in 2003 she filed for temporary custody alleging that she became concerned that during the criminal case, Jackson would be too distracted to care for the children. She also said she was disturbed by his association with the Nation of Islam, whose leader she believed was anti-Semitic.

    “I am Jewish, as are — by definition — my children. I worried about how my children would be treated by these new advisers to Michael,” she said.
    Rowe testified for Jackson at his molestation trial, describing him as a loving and caring father.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216717,00.html

    BUT THE INSIDER DIDN’T SPEAK OF THE LAWSUIT.

    I’ve looked up the text of the letter again and noticed something I had overlooked before. He is writing:

    [Michael] “eventually knocked up Debbie, which, (if I didn’t love and adore his children and think they saved his life) I would say was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life.”

    “Which” here refers to the fact that “he eventually knocked up Debbie” and not to his marriage to her. We misunderstood it. The insider is talking of Michael taking an irresponsible decision because he was driven by hurt and anger instead of trying to settle the matter with Lisa Marie!

    Actually only now I understand what he meant. Okay, so Michael found those damned pills, and realized that she was cheating, but he should not have disappeared after that for 6 weeks and should not have meddled with other women. He should have discussed it with Lisa first!

    She was not hopeless – after the divorce she wrote him letters promising 9 children if he wanted them, so there were other ways out of that situation and she would have finally agreed. He simply didn’t make the best of choices at that moment. He was driven by anger and frustration and once Debbie was impregnated there was no way back.

    This “burning the bridges” is what this wise man meant by “Michael making one of the biggest mistakes in his life”. Now I am beginning to think that it probably was (save for the children of course).

  102. January 16, 2013 9:44 pm

    “I read that in fact the Cascio kids were a source of jealousy from LMP. Michael took the Cascio kids to Paris at a time when he and LMP were fighting, so instead of working it out with LMP, as she saw it, he took the kids to Paris. He probably got totally tired of the fights, esp. if, as LMP says, they went on for 3 days straight! OMG.”

    Oh Aldebaran, you are providing the necessary proof for what I’ve just said. I was sure that there was a lot of jealousy around Michael and he was trying to pacify all jealous parties by belittling the importance of his relations with their “opponents”. So to Frank he didn’t mention his infatuation with Lisa and said he had married because some Arab Prince liked to do business with married men (LOL), and to Lisa Marie he must have said something similar about Frank and his family – that he had some business to attend to there (with the same Prince) or something more funny and exotic.

    Now all these stories look like Michael’s “lies”, while in reality he was simply trying to cope with all their jealosy and ease the tension between them.

    But I can also imagine that after 3 days of fighting with Lisa he could use the jealousy card against her and go away with the Cascio kids on purpose, just to hurt her and tease. The insider said that “sometimes he could be an asshole”.

    We may be sure that Lisa was jealous of the Cascios as Michael explained his divorce by her jealousy of the Jersy family. As far as I understand he didn’t mention any other reasons, which was funny again. But most probably it was typical of Michael – he mentioned only those things which were meaninful to others and not to himself.

  103. January 16, 2013 9:17 pm

    “One thing I noticed reading Frank’s book, that the two marriages of Michael, Frank did not know anything before it happened, I think Michael knew hide information from people in a very clever way.” – alinemj

    I think he hid it from those who had no reason to know about it. People like Bill Bray knew everything about Michael, but MJ could think that informing boys 14 of age (like Frank) was totally unnecessary. They were pals and I hear that friends often get jealous and bitter when their brotherhood is ruined by one of them getting married. It seems that many people around Michael were craving for his attention and got jealous when he was leaving them.

    Even Agajanian’s daughter Amy (who was like 5 years old at the time) confessed she was burning with jealousy when Michael started spending time with Lisa-Marie Presley and she saw them together on a couple of occasions.

    Rockforeveron told this story in this post http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/jc-agajanians-stunning-interview-about-michael-jackson-he-will-never-be-replaced/ :

    Amy

    “She said she thinks she was MJ’s best friend (but of course she wouldn’t really know for sure) until Lisa Marie came along. She told me about accompanying the couple to a few outings, and she BURNED with jealousy, the poor little thing. She said it was obvious they were in love, always holding hands and kissing. So Michael started finding less and less time for her.

    Oh, in the interest of fairness to LMP , she said LMP was as sweet as could be to her and she did come to like her.”

    By the way our insider also explains Jordan Chandler’s spite towards Michael by him getting jealous of MJ and his mother – “punk bitch Jordan got jealous of mommy’s relationship with Michael”.

    But on the whole you are right. Michael was used to hiding his personal life from everyone around. Probably his first experience with Diana Ross taught him to.

  104. January 16, 2013 8:53 pm

    Leaviing the mother-identity question aside, there is another reason for Blanket being so”lost” at times. This has to do with his age. A child does not comprehend death as final until about age 8y.”..he was walking in the street,then a car drove over him and he died–an ambulance took him to the hospital..and he became alive again..”or versions of this kind of story.have been told me innumerous times. I recall that it was said Blanket asked about his father;when will he come home?, thinking he was on a trip or tour.It is much more difficult for him to process the grief of the death of his father than the older siblings .

  105. Rodrigo permalink
    January 16, 2013 8:51 pm

    And if so…it just shows how secretive and private Michael was about letting people think he had a normal sex life. Which if we start piecing things together from here and the fact he may have had an affair with June Chandler, it seems true.

    I just don’t think he liked people thinking of him that way for some reason. Or maybe it had something to do with the way the media treat him over the years? Maybe I’m wrong?

    I don’t believe the first woman he slept with was Lisa-Marie. I think his complaint in the Glenda tapes was that everyone else in his family had had real long lasting relationships and went on to marry, and he wanted that himself. Wasn’t it?

  106. January 16, 2013 8:50 pm

    “It’s true that Dieter Wiesner claims in his book to know who Blanket’s mother is. If she was just a surrogate mother he probably wouldn’t know her. So this could be another indication that she was more than that.”

    Susanne, can you tell us what exactly Wiesner said about her? Any details?

  107. January 16, 2013 6:25 pm

    It’s true that Dieter Wiesner claims in his book to know who Blanket’s mother is. If she was just a surrogate mother he probably wouldn’t know her. So this could be another indication that she was more than that.

  108. January 16, 2013 5:52 pm

    This, by the way, means that what Paris said about her nanny Grace not being involved with her father can be totally disregarded. Paris wouldn’t know a thing about any relationship between Michael and Grace if there was any – Michael would have taken care of it.

    Paris said MJ and Grace never had anything (which the bodyguards will eventually confirm), but Paris confirmed MJ did have a last girlfriend and she was someone serious enough that she had met them, and was with them on Christmas Day 2008, though Paris said MJ never introduced her as a girlfriend officially, but they figured it out (or were later told). Paris said that she and her brothers would always tease him when he’d flirt with women in front of them.

  109. January 16, 2013 5:42 pm

    “Blanket seems so lost at times. When he grows older I guess he might start asking..”

    Kaarin, I also feel very sorry for Blanket. He is the most vulnerable of them all. And he is taking his orphan’s condition hard. I wish his mother were found one day. But on the other hand there is also a danger that a crowd of them will come over and make false claims on the boy. So it is an extremely sensitive issue where the very well-being of the child is at stake.

    Sometimes it is better to leave things as they are, at least until after the child grows up and is able to cope with all these challenges.

  110. January 16, 2013 5:15 pm

    Blanket´s mother remains a mystery. She must still be around, I mean alive somewhere.
    Unless she really was a surrogate and even the father of the child was kept a secret from her.If so there must be medical people who arranged this insemination and transport to Michael once the baby was born,This sounds so trite.It has been said she is hispanic or that Blanket is hispanic. This is by no means so sure. She could very well have been a blond with staight hair and Michael the bio father.All of this ofcourse just speculation.
    If it was not that surrogate thing, I would be surprised that a woman would not give some hints, or show any interest in her child.
    At what point in time was the arrival of a third child for Michael first announced? Blanket told Bashir (sorry to bring this ##### int thr discussion) “I have no mother”. I am sure somewhere in this world there are people who know And Michael´s sexual relationship with LMP coming to an end around a time when it is speculated that he had fallen in love again. Blanket seems so lost at times. When he grows older I guess he might start asking..

  111. January 16, 2013 5:03 pm

    “There’s also a license plate for a “Gok” something, MJ had a limo driver named Gokor who spoke about a secret relationship MJ had for a number of years.” - lacienegasmiles

    Thank you for the information. Here is another shot from “Who is it”:

    a shot from Who is it

    Michael Jackson´s driver Gokor talked on Armenian TV:

    Gokor was bein’ interviewed by our local channel shortly after the ‘memorial”(Gokor is armenian like me) and he never told these stories to anyone.So here it is.

    One day he was driving Michael to an important meeting, Mike as usual was lookin’ out of the window examining people outside,so suddenly the red light went for the cars and they stopped,so did Gokor. There was a little girl with her mum on the pavement,she was playing with her ball while her mum was busy with talkin’ on phone,so the ball fell on the motorway and the green light for the cars turned on,a car was nearly to run the baby down, Mike was following all that,suddenly he ran out of the car to save the baby. Gokor couldn’t manage to get what was goin’ on, at that moment a car was to run M.J. down and he was nearly to die. thanks God Gokor managed to get him back and the baby’s mum pulled her away from the car, when Michael got into the car he and Gokor were trembling, Mike was bitterly crying of the thought that the car could run the baby down, at that moment Michael didn’t care for his own life, he was ready to save the girl and die himself.

    The driver also told us that Michael used to disguise and take a taxi (those taxes in London which carry several passengers) with Gokor and M. Culkin and go to an ice-cream shop, wait in a huge turn, so that nobody guessed that Michael Jackson was near them. So one day when they were waiting in a turn, Mike asked Gokor to tell the old lady who was near them that he (Gokor) would pay for her. The lady turned Gokor down for several times very rudely, then Gokor turned to Michael and said loudly: “You see MICHAEL JACKSON she doesn’t want to”. After it everyone turned to them, the old lady couldn’t believe it, she came down to her knees, was trembling and crying. Michael helped her to stand up, held her, kissed and bought the ice-cream for her. (He did such kind and touching things for several times, this makes me respect, adore and fall in love with him even more, he’s a priceless pearl).

    After leaving a concert when Michael and his team got in the limousine, a huge army of fans was following the limousine as usual, so one of the fans wanted to have a glimpse of Mike so desperately, that she was almost run down by Gokor’s limousine, she was a bit injured, so when Mike learned what was going on, he became very furious at the securities and Gokor, he was nearly to fire the whole stuff,he invited the fan to the limousine and spent the whole day with her, they were travelling in the limo around the city and Mike was telling her about his life and career.

    He also said that when they were in London and a hot woman would pass by them Michael would use some Armenian words to talk about the woman with Gokor so that if his children were near him they couldn’t understand what they were talking about. He would say “lavna che Gokor,” which in English means “isn’t she hot Gokor” or he would call those hot women “pretty fish.”

    They spoke about the fact that Michael had a woman he loved very much and had been near him for many years. It wasn’t a secret but her identity was kept a secret.

    http://www.truemichaeljackson.com/true-stories/driver-gokor/

    You see how everything is fitting in?

    1. Michael never discussed women around his children (or any children at all, and Frank Cascio as a teenager is no exception). Michael even used foreign words to make his comments about women.

    This, by the way, means that what Paris said about her nanny Grace not being involved with her father can be totally disregarded. Paris wouldn’t know a thing about any relationship between Michael and Grace if there was any – Michael would have taken care of it.

    2. The expression “fish” is common to all the accounts we’ve heard by now.

    3. There was a love and relationship with some woman and for many years too, only her identity was kept a secret.

  112. January 16, 2013 4:46 pm

    “I’m amazed about your interpretation of Frank’s memories about what Michael told him, because I interpreted it exactly the same way. It’s the youth of Frank we have to take into consideration here, in terms of his own perception as well as regarding the versions Michael told him.”

    Susanne, I am happy you saw it this way too. There was a time when I was taught that the truth is absolute and exists on its own, so when we see it we just recognize it. This is what must have happened to us here. It is always a joy.

    “on the day Debbie Rowe testified he said Michael looked extremely terrified. He didn’t know why, but it was very visible to him. In the end she wasn’t so threatening to him, but he must have been frightened about what could happen with his kids.”

    Thank you for this important detail. Of course it was his fear to lose the kids. Thomas Mesereau said Michael never worried about himself and what would happen to him if he were convicted – he used to call him at 3 am (when Mesereau got up) in complete terror over what would happen to his children if it came to the worst. The thought of it must have drained him of his last strengh.

  113. January 16, 2013 4:04 pm

    Helena, I’m amazed about your interpretation of Frank’s memories about what Michael told him, because I interpreted it exactly the same way. It’s the youth of Frank we have to take into consideration here, in terms of his own perception as well as regarding the versions Michael told him.
    “This Michael’s trait of being different with different people and even playing up to these people’s expectations of him should never be underestimated by us when we read what others say about Michael.” – Yes, absolutely.

    @aldebaranredstar:
    I think there is a lot of truth about Debbie Rowe being another threat for Michael during the 2005 trial because of her custody fight. When I talked to William Wagener last year I asked him about his perception of Michael during the trial and what kind of reactions he saw from Michael during the testimonies (because he was in the courtroom virtually every day). He told me that Michael had a pokerface most of the time and didn’t show much emotion during the testimonies, but on the day Debbie Rowe testified he said Michael looked extremely terrified. He didn’t know why, but it was very visible to him.
    In the end she wasn’t so threatening to him, but he must have been frightened about what could happen with his kids.

  114. January 16, 2013 2:19 pm

    “Notice the way he has Bray follow the women around too….There’s also a license plate for a “Gok” something, MJ had a limo driver named Gokor who spoke about a secret relationship MJ had for a number of years.” – lacienegasmiles

    Interesting. It seems almost like Michael dropping all those hints here and there and waiting for us to come and solve them one day, lol.

  115. January 16, 2013 2:12 pm

    Notice the way he has Bray follow the women around too….

    There’s also a license plate for a “Gok” something, MJ had a limo driver named Gokor who spoke about a secret relationship MJ had for a number of years.

  116. January 16, 2013 1:50 pm

    Well, in fact Bill Bray even looks like the man who was Michael’s best confidant and aide in “Who is it” video.

    It can’t be a mere coincidence. When selecting the cast for his video Michael could have selected anyone, but he found a man who was almost the exact replica of Bill Bray! And remember that in that video the aide was a witness to Michael’s most intimate secrets.

    Bill Bray and Michael Jackson (the late 1970s?)
    Bill Bray and Michael Jackson

    Michael’s aide in “Who is it” video (1992):
    Who is it - shot from a video

  117. January 16, 2013 1:37 pm

    “The part of Blanket’s mother is to me the most complicated” – alinemj

    To me too. I can imagine that Michael fell in love again – he was flirtatious and easily fell in love, so it could be just another of his big affairs, but I cannot imagine him leaving this woman when she was pregnant as the insider suggests it. Most probably the insider was not as close to Michael as before and knew of that woman from Michael’s other associates, which again brings me to the idea that the confidant could be Bill Bray, who by the year 2002 when Blanket was born was not personally associating with Michael.

    The article below says that Michael and Bill had a “falling out” in the mid 90s, but this may not be the main (or only) reason – Bill Bray was 70 at the time, so his retirement could have taken place for natural reasons.

    What’s much more important is that Bill remained on Michael’s payroll until his death in November 2005, even despite all Michael’s financial problems. This is a clear indication to Bill really being like a father to him.

    Previously I said that Bill died in 2004 (my mistake) – no, he died a year and a half after that letter had been written.

    MJ and Bill Bray

    Michael Jackson father figure dies
    Reuters, Nov 16, 2005 4:09 pm PST
    Yahoo News

    Bill Bray, a former Los Angeles police officer who served as Michael Jackson’s longtime security chief and became a father figure to the onetime child star, has died at the age of 80.

    Bray, who began working for the Jackson 5 in the early 1970s and was one of Jackson’s closest confidants until his retirement in the mid-1990s, died on Tuesday, the entertainer’s publicist, Raymone Bain, told Reuters.

    “Michael is very, very, very saddened to learn of the passing of Bill Bray, who was a longtime friend and mentor to him and very trusted adviser to him,” Bain said.

    She said Jackson, who has been living in Bahrain since winning an acquittal on child molestation charges in June, had spoken to members of Bray’s family by telephone.

    “Bill was a father figure to all of the boys (in the Jackson 5) in the early days and when Michael struck out on his own he became sort of a surrogate father to Michael,” said J. Randy Taraborelli, author of the biography “Michael Jackson: The Magic and the Madness.”

    “Michael always had this sort of ambivalent relationship with his dad — bordering on downright anger — and Bray was the person, back in early days, and up until the early 1990s, who Michael would turn to if he had any kind of personal problem he needed to have solved,” Taraborelli said.

    Bray was at Jackson’s side during the height of his sensational career in the 1980s and when a young boy accused the singer of child molestation in 1993. Jackson settled that case out of court and no charges were ever brought.

    “Everybody around Michael always liked Bill Bray,” Taraborelli said. “(Film star and Jackson friend) Elizabeth Taylor thought he was one of the greatest people who had ever been in Michael’s life. She was very protective of Michael and always knew that Bill was someone he could rely on.”

    Jackson and Bray had a falling out in the mid-1990s, for reasons that were never made public, and Foxnews.com columnist Roger Friedman, who was first to report Bray’s death, wrote on the Web site that they had not seen each other in a decade.

    But Friedman and Taraborelli said that Bray was still on Jackson’s payroll at the time of his death.

    http://www.zimbio.com/Bill+Bray/articles/gAKeUb60AVJ/Article+Find+Michael+Jackson+longtime+security

  118. January 16, 2013 12:55 pm

    “I believe Michael was seducing June” – alinemj

    Or June was seducing Michael.

    “Michael wanted a family, he thought he had found especially with a beautiful woman. By this time Michael had already proposed marriage to Brooke, Xuxa and an unknown woman, they do not accept.”

    Just imagine that Michael proposed to Diana Ross, then Brook Shields, then someone else too, and all of them didn’t accept. It must have been terribly traumatizing to him. No wonder he proposed to Lisa Marie in a tentative manner, afraid that he would get a negative response again, “If I asked you to marry me, would you do it?”

  119. January 16, 2013 11:49 am

    “For some reason though, I have to believe that his marriage to LMP was practically over when he got Debbie pregnant and he was doing what many in Hollywood do now, move on with their lives before the divorces is final.” – Tatum

    Of course it was over when Debbie got pregnant – Michael’s focus shifted to Debbie and the child (less to Debbie, more to the child), but as this insider says it Michael was “sprung” and this is a very strong word!

    He was infatuated with Lisa and when she also started writing him letters that she would give him “nine children” he must have wavered at some point. If he had been less of a target he would have divorced and they could have reunited as Elizabeth Taylor remarried her husband Richard Burton, but for Michael it was out of the question – the media screams would have been deafening. And don’t forget Lisa Marie’s family.

    We cannot even understand what it’s like to have to be living so openly in the public. He was never his own master, every little move had to be examined first from the point of view of “what will they say?”. It is absolutely abnormal. Usually the most consultations people do are with their relatives and friends, and over here you have to think first “what the whole world will think if we remarry?” It is incongruous.

    The situation both Lisa and Michael found themselves was like that of a Greek tragedy. I’m pretty sure that if everyone had left them alone they would have been a very happy couple. Eventually they would have settled their differences. Their only problem was that they constantly had to look back at someone and report to people whom they didn’t have to report. She – to her mother, family, Scientology and the whole nation. He – to the media, his business partners, the nation and the whole world.

    No family can survive in such circumstances. Look at the picture of Michael and Lisa together during one of their post-divorce dates and you will see it in his eyes and in the drops of her tears on his coat – this picture is the essence of what was happening to them (he is squeezing her shoulder – “don’t give them the pleasure of seeing you cry”.

    September 1998:

  120. Tatum Marie permalink
    January 16, 2013 8:43 am

    I think this is a good article. It’s so interesting learning the different facets of Michael’s personality. For some reason though, I have to believe that his marriage to LMP was practically over when he got Debbie pregnant and he was doing what many in Hollywood do now, move on with their lives before the divorces is final. I also think that the smiling and the calling probably evolved from a continuance complaint. He described times where he would actually argue back with her to Schmuley.

    This makes it clear that Frank’s memories of Michael’s affairs with women should be taken with a grain of salt as we never know when Michael was making a fool of himself and when he was telling the real truth to his younger friend.

    I expressed similar sentiments while reading Frank’s book. If Michael did say certain things – what makes all the difference is the context in which it was said. Last time I checked fighting and complaining would not be the suggested counselors’ way of handling situations of married couple either.

    Outside of the portion about LMP, this article pretty much confirms what many of us already knew. I forgot about that portion and reading it again with this article is hilarious. Somebody dissociated themselves because they couldn’t keep their pen in their pocket. lol.

  121. Rodrigo permalink
    January 16, 2013 8:32 am

    This couldn’t have come at a better time, Helena.

    The imposter freaks are trying to kick up a stir with Jordan’s description again.

  122. alinemj permalink
    January 16, 2013 7:26 am

    Thank you, I loved all his conclusions. I’ve always had great attention to this letter.
    1 – I believe Michael was seducing June, (as Jermaine said, I think I read this statement in his book) I think not happened all that terror could have gotten something in between. As already mentioned, Michael wanted a family, he thought he had found especially with a beautiful woman. By this time Michael had already proposed marriage to Brooke, Xuxa and an unknown woman, they do not accept.
    2 – About Lisa proved that this was someone very close to him to know details very private. When we saw years ago the pictures of them after the divorce, never imagined that lasted four years, in 2004 this person said they were already for 4 years which was confirmed by Lisa in 2010.
    3 – The Scott case, do not have much to say – Poverty brings forth all sorts of “memories.” Was confirmed a few months ago by the journalist who helped.
    4 – The part of Blanket’s mother is to me the most complicated, I do not have much detail on the one hand we have Michael saying two versions, we have Frank saying she was a surrogate, but reading his book he was not near Michael this season, he met Blanket only when he was 8 months old, another detail that I read was that Dieter knew who the woman was.
    One thing I noticed reading Frank’s book, that the two marriages of Michael, Frank did not know anything before it happened, I think Michael knew hide information from people in a very clever way.

  123. aldebaranredstar permalink
    January 16, 2013 5:07 am

    HI, Helena, this is an excellent post–lots of info and well put together!! Thanks a lot for this. My thoughts: 1) I read that in fact the Cascio kids were a source of jealousy from LMP. Michael took the Cascio kids to Paris at a time when he and LMP were fighting, so instead of working it out with LMP, as she saw it, he took the kids to Paris. He probably got totally tired of the fights, esp. if, as LMP says, they went on for 3 days straight! OMG.

    2) re Debbie Rowe and why the letter writer says it was the biggest mistake to marry her: I actually agree with this. Debbie first said giving Michael children was a ‘gift’ and she gave him full custody, but later she changed her mind and fought for custody, and in the process she got $8 million dollars. He had already given her millions and bought her a house. She raised this custody issue in the middle of the 03-05 trial, so there were 2 threats to Michael losing his kids–jail through conviction, and maybe through a custody fight with Debbie. Doing that to him under any circumstances was cruel and breaking her word, but during the allegations?? Horrible. I think she must have gotten over 10 million from Michael and gave him plenty of stress re court cases and general anxiety. So you give someone something they want so much as a ‘gift,’ and then take it away or threaten to???

    3) I still don’t buy it that Michael was attracted to June. I think he wanted a family. I could be wrong but I just don’t see it so far.

    4) In the M Poetica book that was available for free on Amazon recently, the author Willa Stillwater makes a case that Michael settled after the strip-search b/c if they had gone to trial the lawyers for Chandlers would have gotten copies of the photos and the photos would have ended up,via leaks, in the press, also they would have been entered into court evidence and discussed at the trial. She argues that this was a big factor in the decision to settle. I can’t believe that even after he was acquited in 05 and requested the photos be returned to him, the judge denied it!!!! What insanity poor MJ had to deal with.

  124. January 16, 2013 5:02 am

    If I hadn’t been home, sick with the flu, I would not have read this in it’s entirety. How spellbounding as the story unfolds. With all the twists, turns, and uncertainty, Michael Jackson’s life was far from boring and normal. It amazes me with all the talent and humanity he possessed how he survived even to the age of 50. After reading all of this, I am so glad I can just go press “play” and listend to why we were graced with his presence in the first place. Michael Jackson completed his work here and left us with a gift; his music and messages of love and compassion for others; especially children.

    After 3 1/2 years of speculations on all the minutiae of Michael’s life I’m reminded of one of his famous quotes:

    “If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with.”
    ~Michael Jackson

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