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Conrad Murray’s Release From Prison, Fans’ Boycotts and The Choices We Make

October 28, 2013

There is only one subject on everyone’s minds now and it is the release of Conrad Murray’s release from jail today.

The news has already been reported by the press:

Michael Jackson doctor released from prison

Published October 28, 2013

FoxNews.com

LOS ANGELES –  Conrad Murray, the former doctor convicted of causing Michael Jackson’s death, has been released from prison.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department confirmed to Fox News that Murray was released from a downtown Los Angeles jail at 12:01 a.m. local time Monday.

The former cardiologist served less than two years of a four-year sentence after being convicted in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter for Jackson’s June 2009 death. The pop superstar died after receiving a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol, which Murray was giving Jackson as a sleep aid.

Murray’s medical licenses remain suspended or revoked in three states where he previously practiced medicine.

A change in California law allowed Murray’s incarceration time to be significantly cut down. In an attempt to ease the problem of overcrowded state prisons, Murray served his sentence in a county jail instead of a state penitentiary. His sentenced was reduced by half due to good behavior and Murray was also credited with time served for weeks he had spent in prison prior to his trial.

The former doctor is appealing his conviction, although an appeals court has questioned whether it needs to hear the case. His attorney Valerie Wass has argued that the court should not dismiss the appeal because it could alter his overall sentence and reduce some of the stigma his conviction has caused.

Despite being jailed, Murray has not been entirely silent. Audio recordings of his calls have been posted on celebrity website TMZ and the ex-doctor told the Today show that he cried tears of joy after a civil jury recently determined that the promoters of Jackson’s comeback shows did not negligently hire Murray.

He did not, however, testify in the civil case or take the stand during his criminal trial.

Murray previously maintained clinics in Houston and Las Vegas and frequently complained about conditions in jail after his conviction. He was allowed to serve his entire sentence in a Los Angeles jail rather than a state prison due to a law aimed at easing overcrowding by shifting nonviolent offenders to local lockups.

“Dr. Murray has not received any special treatment in jail and in fact has many less privileges than most inmates because of his notoriety,” Wass said in a statement earlier this year. She said he “is very much looking forward to his release and getting on with his life.  However, the fact of his incarceration is increasingly difficult for him.”

Jurors in a lawsuit filed by Jackson’s mother against concert giant AEG Live LLC determined that the doctor was not unfit or incompetent to serve as Jackson’s tour doctor earlier this month. The panel heard testimony about Jackson and Murray’s relationship throughout the five-month trial, but the panel said it did not condone the physician’s conduct.

“That doesn’t mean we felt he was ethical,” jury foreman Gregg Barden said of Murray after the AEG Live verdict.

No doctor or medical expert has condoned Murray’s treatments of Jackson during either the ex-doctor’s criminal case or the civil litigation. The former cardiologist told police he gave the superstar nightly doses of propofol to help him sleep but lacked the proper medical or monitoring equipment that’s required to administer anesthesia.

Although widely used, propofol is intended only for surgical settings and experts have noted that its effects are not actually sleep.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/10/28/michael-jackson-doctor-released-from-prison/

AN HONEST APPROACH

Recently I was asked what I think of the boycotts calling on the media not to give Conrad Murray a platform to speak for money and profit from his gross negligence towards Michael.

After a long thought over this question I’ve come to a very unusual conclusion and as it is my custom will be quite frank about it.

I don’t support those media outlets that will pay money to Conrad Murray for spreading predictable lies about the ‘good guy’ Murray and the ‘bad guy’ MJ, but will very much count on honest journalists to use the opportunity given to them by the free press to grill Murray and ask him inconvenient questions he is not expecting to face.

For example, Aphrodite Jones could grill Murray about everything he wasn’t grilled about during the past two trials where he chose to keep total silence, or Beth Karas could put Murray and Thomas Mesereau together in a series of rounds that will surely be an enjoyable sight for every Michael Jackson fan and supporter.

And it is with some surprise, shock and even shame to myself that I also realized that I wouldn’t even mind if Murray was paid for this fight as for free he will probably never agree to it.

I am very sorry for disappointing you by this frank admission, but if they pay him for a harsh interview  I can perfectly live with it as long as the program opens his eyes to the deep wrong he did and brings us new facts and truthful revelations from the discussion that ensues.

But if they pay Murray money for making him extremely comfortable in the studio and letting him spread habitual lies about Michael and will leave these lies unchallenged, this is absolutely not the kind of journalism I have in mind because it will be like buying some unproven dirt from a pleased seller who will be so satisfied with the deal that it will encourage him to spit and sell even more.

No, there is a big difference  between the two – one is an easy offer to a liar to tell the lies they expect to hear of him and the other is a tough talk aiming at learning the truth where the person has to answer inconvenient questions which he would otherwise prefer to avoid.

And when I ask myself what I would really like to come of it , the answer is a big contest of truth versus lies between an honest and tough journalist and this cunning creature that avoids answering unpleasant questions but for the promise of a paid interview will probably agree to a round on a boxing arena.

I am terribly sorry again if I shocked you by this practical approach – I am probably inspired by one of our old comedies where a young and inexperienced working-class guy put in charge of the customs on a far away border had to buy business advice from his jailed bureaucrat predecessor by pushing banknotes into his cell. The enemies benefitted from each other as one acquired knowledge while the other built up some income for himself.

A joke, guys….

But despite all jokes and my wild dreams about a contestant and truth-seeking media I would still like to encourage the press to be honest and make the right choices when it comes to a convicted felon like Conrad Murray who spent in jail only two years out of four for actually killing Michael Jackson through his incredible, outrageous and unconscionable negligence and was released earlier simply because of prisons being overcrowded at the moment.

If I were to appeal to the press I would call on them to do what their journalistic integrity tells them to do, and if their interviews with Murray cannot be avoided due to a tough competition on the information market I urge them to make their meetings with this guy not as plain sailing as he expects them to be.

And I would also like to make a special note in my appeal that depending on their choice we as their consumers will make our choice too. And it is we who will decide whether their programs are worth watching, and whether their sponsors have made a wise investment by approaching their TV channel, their newspaper and this particular journalist.

By “we” I mean a big international jury of Michael Jackson’s fans, advocates and supporters who will now look at the media and decide which of them are credible and worthy of trust, and who are mere nobodies selling themselves for someone else’s evil agenda and who should be thrown into fire as unnecessary trash.

In short all of it is about the choice again – theirs, ours and that of the general public.

BOYCOTTS TO CHOOSE FROM

Various groups of Michael’s supporters suggest boycotting the media if it allows a guy like Murray to profit by making false speculations about Michael Jackson and his death.

The press-release from TeamMichaelJackson suggests a whole program of action from signing a petition against Murray’s media deals to sending letters to the Medical boards to suspend Murray’s licences in case they have not been suspended there yet.

TeamMJ is our sister-in-arms in a fight against one ruthless corporation that ground Michael down to his death, so I’ve readily joined their campaign. The picture they’ve prepared for the occasion fully reflects the sad essence of Conrad Murray’s nature – this person has already proven by his behavior that he is capable of anything for the sake of money.

Conrad Murray - I'll do anything for money

“I’ll never betray or deceive you my friend but… if they show me the cash, then I will take it. If you tell me to cry, then I will fake it. YOU’LL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY….”

This impressive poster from TeamMJ is followed by their Press Release which I fully reproduce here:

PRESS RELEASE: – Michael Jackson Advocates against Conrad Murray

Posted on October 27, 2013

Media Release

http://www.teammichaeljackson.com

October 27, 2013

TITLE OF PRESS RELEASE: Team Michael Jackson Continues Campaign to Boycott any and all News Media Outlets and their Sponsors who offer and/or pay Conrad Murray “Blood Money” to tell his “story” of the Homicide of Michael Joseph Jackson

Los Angeles, CA – Boycott All Conrad Murray Media Deals

Team Michael Jackson (www.teammichaeljackson.com) is continuing the Project to Boycott any and all News Media Outlets and their sponsors who offer to and/or pay Conrad Murray Money after his release from Jail on Monday, October 28, 2013, to tell his story of the Homicide of Michael Joseph Jackson. This includes, but is not limited to, the following Media Outlets: Television Stations, Radio Stations, Newspapers, Books, Movies, Magazines, Tabloids, etc.

This “Boycott Conrad Murray Media Deals” Campaign represents the support of Michael’s millions of Loving Fans around the World and will clearly demonstrate the WORLDWIDE L.O.V.E., SUPPORT AND DEMAND FOR JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON!

It has already been reported that Conrad Murray is “shopping” to tell his Story and WE WILL NOT support Conrad Murray, News Media Outlets, or their sponsors making money off of the Death of Michael Jackson.

It is NOT the time (and is not acceptable) to report negative or untrue information about Michael Jackson and it will not be tolerated. Michael is DEAD and is not here to defend himself.

We have noticed that certain news media are already reporting false information leading up to the release of Conrad Murray, currently scheduled for Monday, October 28, 2013.

Team Michael Jackson represents the WORLDWIDE L.O.V.E. and SUPPORT of Michael’s millions of Loving Fans around the World! We will vigorously defend any nonfactual, inaccurate, dishonest, and untruthful information being spread about Michael Jackson and will also Boycott any Media Outlets, as well as their sponsors who are reporting any nonfactual, inaccurate, dishonest, and untruthful information about Michael Jackson!!

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH! It is NOT Wacko Jacko, It is MICHAEL JACKSON! It is NOT Pedophile, It is Humanitarian! It is NOT Guilty, It is Innocent! It is NOT Bleach, it is Vitiligo! It is NOT Addiction, it is Injury! It is NOT a Freak, it is Emotional Abuse! It is NOT Suicide, it is Homicide! PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE!

THIS IS THE TIME – WE WILL BE MICHAEL’S VOICE AND LET THE ENTIRE WORLD KNOW WE DEMAND JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON FROM AROUND THE WORLD!

This Media Release is respectfully submitted to you from: “TEAM MICHAEL JACKSON.”

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/9947#.Um3dBD7HmGc.twitter

PETITION TO BOYCOTT CONRAD MURRAY MEDIA DEALS! – NO PROFIT FOR CONRAD MURRAY

PLEASE SIGN PETITION AND SHARE! NO PROFIT FOR CONRAD MURRAY!

Team Michael Jackson requests you SIGN PETITION if you Pledge to Boycott any and all Media Outlets and their sponsors that offer and/or pay Conrad Murray $$ Money $$ to tell his “story” of the Homicide of Michael Joseph Jackson!

SIGN PETITION AT: http://chn.ge/1a97YIl

We boycott and will abstain from using, buying, viewing, or dealing with any company/organization and all of their sponsors.

Help us to send the message to television networks, radio stations, newspapers, book publishers, movie/show producers, tabloids, magazines, etc. that seek out and help Conrad Murray to profit from the Homicide of Michael Joseph Jackson!

PLEASE SPREAD ON FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND ALL SOCIAL MEDIA SITES!!!

We also advise fans to contact media in the country they reside in. Joining a Facebook group is not going to get the results we envision. We need to make noise via any/ALL media outlet.

Conrad Robert Murray possessed four (4) State Medical Licenses when he committed the Homicide of Michael Joseph Jackson on June 25, 2009: (1) California; (2) Texas; (3) Nevada; and (4) Hawaii.

California filed Court Papers to Revoke Conrad Murray License on June 27, 2012, and Texas Revoked Conrad Murray License in August 30, 2013.

As of today, October 27, 2013, the States of Nevada and Hawaii have only “Suspended” Conrad Murray Medical Licenses and (as we understand) he merely need reapply for those Medical Licenses to be reestablished.

In honor of the Memory of Michael Joseph Jackson and so that no other person has to suffer a “Death Sentence” like Michael Jackson did, we have to take the action to notify the Nevada and Hawaii Medical Boards and demand they immediately “REVOKE” Conrad Murray’s Medical Licenses.

Below are two (2) Separate letters to the Nevada and Hawaii Medical Boards. Please copy and paste Letter #1 and Fax to the Nevada Medical Board and Copy and Paste Letter #2 and Email to the Hawaii Medical Board, as noted. All directions are identified below.

Thank you for taking the time to support this very important effort!

On their website TeamMichael Jackson provides two sample letters to the medical boards, ready to be downloaded, but I think that in respect of Murray’s medical licences and the prospect of him never regaining them we are more or less safe. The reason for that is that the Los Angeles District Attorneys have promised to see to it that Conrad Murray never regains his medical licence either in the US or anywhere in the world – which is the news we can only applaud to:

 Los Angeles District Attorney Moves To Block MJ Death Doc’s Bid To Regain Medical License

Posted on Oct 17, 2013 @ 3:56AM | By radarstaff

David Walgren and CMThe Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit is over, but the fall-out for MJ’s death doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, is just beginning. Although Murray has reportedly set his sights on practicing medicine again once he is released from jail on October 28, an insider tells RadarOnline.com that the L.A. District Attorney’s office will do everything in their power to make sure that doesn’t happen.

“The L.A.CountyD.A.’s office will be closely monitoring Murrayonce he is released from jail,” an insider tells RadarOnline.com. “If he tries to get a medical license in the U.S. or anywhere around the world, the D.A. will make sure the appropriate officials are aware that he was convicted of killing someone because he used propofol in a house.”

The source continues, “He is a danger to any potential patients because he lacks proper judgment skills.”

Murray was sentenced to four years in prison back in 2011after he was found guilty of the involuntary manslaughter of Jackson.

Automatic credit for good behavior lowered his actual time served to two years. Despite that verdict, Murray reportedly feels vindicated because the wrongful death trial verdict found Murray to be a reasonably competent caregiver for Jackson, and that AEG was therefore sufficiently prudent in hiring him.

Jermaine and Randy Jackson are pressuring their mother Katherine to appeal the decision, as RadarOnline.com has reported.

http://radaronline.com/2013/10/michael-jackson-death-doc-conrad-murray-medical-license-blocked-la-da/

OTHER BOYCOTTS TO CHOOSE FROM

Several days ago I was told about another boycott started by another group of fans. The information about it was placed by the admins of MJJCommunity:

 Michael Jackson Fans United – Tired of Injustice – No Profit for Conrad Murray

We are a group of very concerned Michael Jackson fans. We are uniting out of our respect for Michael Jackson and his legacy. He was a global superstar and while he should be remembered for his artistry, he should also be remembered for his humanitarianism. Of equal importance was his love for his own children and his loyal fans. These are the things an individual like Michael Jackson should be remembered for… not the tragic manner in which he was taken from us.

The man responsible for taking Michael away from his children, family, and fans, Conrad Murray is scheduled to be released from jail in a matter of days. Murray is now a convicted felon, who was put in handcuffs and taken to jail moments after his manslaughter conviction. Michael Jackson’s fans from all over the globe are steadfast in our belief that Conrad Murray should not be allowed to profit from his criminal negligence, which resulted in the death of another human being. A human being beloved by millions all over the world.

We are reaching out to all media outlets, broadcasters, public relations organizations, and publishers, in an attempt to encourage them not to give Murray a platform to profit or exploit the life and/or death of Michael Jackson. Murray has shown absolutely no remorse for his crime and accepts no responsibility for his egregious actions and negligence. Instead, he continues to re-victimize Michael Jackson and his children. Murray continues through his agents and through jail house interviews to shift the blame post-conviction to his victim. In a reckless and thoughtless act, Murray released a taped message to Michael’s daughter, Paris. In this act he has demonstrated his selfishness and heartlessness towards the very child he left orphaned by his criminality.

We are determined to hold any organizations accountable for any/and all partnerships with Murray. If necessary, we will reach out to advertisers, sponsors and community organizations, to prevent Murray from profiting. Murray should not be given any platforms to spread ‘his truth’ especially since he refused to tell ‘his truth’ under oath. Our fight for justice for a just man such as Michael knows no limits. We believe that all media outlets should respect the fact that Michael Jackson is no longer here to defend himself against any allegations, and let this man, who millions love and continue to mourn, finally rest in peace.

Blog: http://boycottcmcampaign.blogspot.com/

Facebook: Boycott Conrad Murray Campaign

Twitter: @BoycottCM

Email: BoycottCMCampaign@gmail.com

NoteMJJCommunity have pledged its support to this campaign. Please join this campaign either with your fan groups or individually. Spread the word.

Any of us is free to join one, two or both of these boycotts if we support their cause. These fans must have made their appeal in the best of faith too and it is not their fault that it was supported by the admins of a forum whose company makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable after certain events that took place after the AEG trial.

It is indeed strange to see support for Murray’s boycott from someone who only recently provided a certain juror #27 with every opportunity to describe Conrad Murray as a fit and competent doctor and who didn’t even allow to properly challenge this person due to a thorough filtering of questions at their Q&A session with no chance for a free discussion there.

In fact what they did for this highly dubious juror #27 is the same as some media outlets may do for Conrad Murray now – allow him prepare for the Q&A session by letting him know the questions in advance, support him by leading questions from some people and shield him from the inconvenient questions from others and creating for him a most welcome atmosphere instead of facing him with challenging questions and giving him a really tough talk.

And mind you that all this was done for juror #27 on a totally free basis, so sometimes even the money is not that really important – it is the journalistic and human integrity which is.

THE MESS WITH CONRAD MURRAY’S STATUS NOW

Unfortunately more than a half of the MJ community hailed the jury’s verdict at the AEG trial though it was due to this jury’s decision that Murray’s criminal status turned into a vague mess which must be totally unclear to the general public now.

The mess started when the jurors at the AEG trial closed their eyes to Murray’s crime and said that for the job he was hired he was competent and fit, leaving us wondering how it could it be possible that the job of a general practitioner may be to take his client to his grave?

Then the mess was further aggravated by juror #27 who explained that at the moment Murray was hired (by AEG) he was still a fine doctor. No one bothered to tell us when the moment of hiring was, same as no one explained why they jury looked into the time of hiring at all – they were simply not supposed to as it was nowhere in the jury instructions.

But all of it is inconsequential as Conrad Murray likes saying, and the only matter of real consequence is that AEG was unaware of Murray’s incompetence and this is all we are supposed to know about it now.

The case will probably go to the appellate court and if the verdict is reversed the opposing sides will have to return to where they were before (see the California CODE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE SECTION 906-909 for the rules governing such cases: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=901-914 ).

However for the moment peace and love have settled between the community and jurors who exonerated AEG of its guilt by calling Murray competent and fit, and now all of them are throwing a look of disgust at Murray again, with the only difference this time that now they say that initially the guy was good and only then he turned bad.

And when did Murray turn bad? Judging by the decision of the jury – at the time when he started working for AEG.

But AEG are the good guys too as juror #27 and fans keep tirelessly explaining to us, so the tragedy happened due to whom? Who is there to blame for what happened to Michael Jackson? Well, after all of them are out it seems like Michael Jackson is the only one left there…

See how this totally outrageous conclusion becomes inevitable as soon as some fans take out the key figures out of the equation by absolving AEG of their guilt and agreeing with Juror #27 that Murray  was ‘fit and competent’ until after he was hired by AEG and eventually killed Michael Jackson?

And after all that they support the fans’ intitiative to boycott Conrad Murray and say that they are tired of the injustice? Well, they are probably sincerely enraged, only their approach to the matter is so complicated, intricate and many-faceted that I give up trying to understand the complexity of their feelings.

JUROR #5 EXPLAINS IT ALL

At a time of so much vagueness around the figure of Conrad Murray it will be refreshing to hear what another juror has to say about this doctor.

It is juror#5 who spoke for the jury at Murray’s criminal trial after they returned a guilty verdict in November 2011. The interview of this sensible woman has long been there on Youtube and I cannot believe that we haven’t listened to it up till now.

What juror #5 has to say about Conrad Murray is based on good and clear common sense and a highly responsible and solid approach to the process of weighing up evidence and making decisions. Actually her words make a decided difference from the confusion and vagueness of the jury’s explanations in the AEG case:

Juror 5 speaks out

Some of Debbie Franklin’s interview has been reported in this article:

Juror #5 in the Conrad Murray Trial Speaks Out

Juror #5 in Murray's trialDebbie Franklin, a 48-year-old mother of two from Temple City, Calif., was the juror who, on November 7, rung the buzzer three times in the Los Angeles courtroom where Dr. Conrad Murray had sat on trial for the past six weeks to alert the judge and the world that a verdict had been reached.

“Our hearts were pounding to go out there,” Franklin told “Good Morning America,” of the moment she and the other jurors emerged from eight hours of deliberations to issue a guilty verdict for Murray that could send him to prison for up to four years.

The jury convicted Murray of involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of the King of Pop. Prosecutors alleged that Murray supplied an insomnia-plagued Jackson with the surgical anesthetic propofol to help him sleep as he rehearsed for his “This Is It” comeback tour.

Franklin says she and the other jurors believe Jackson, who was 50, would “absolutely” be alive today if not for Murray.

“Conrad Murray agreed to be the one to go into the bedroom and do this,” she said. “[Jackson] was looking for somebody to say yes, and Conrad Murray said yes.”

Prosecutors portrayed Murray, 58, as a negligent doctor who recklessly administered propofol at home in Jackson’s bedroom without the necessary safeguards and care when things went wrong.

“I thought they did an excellent job,” Franklin said of the prosecution. “They were ready for every witness. The questioning went from beginning to end. Nothing seemed to sidetrack them.”

Franklin says there were three factors presented in the trial that led the jury to a guilty verdict for Murray.

“The three biggest things for us were [...] not calling 911. That was a big issue, and not having the medical equipment in the room to put somebody under sedation, and leaving the room,” she said.

“Even if Michael Jackson injected himself, which I don’t think we believed, but, we felt, even if he did, that wouldn’t have mattered because Conrad Murray brought the situation there,” Franklin explained. “He was the doctor. He was in charge.”

Jackson’s behavior was barely a consideration, despite the fact that Franklin believes “he had a lot of issues” and a “dependence” on medications.

But the defense’s various theories were not enough to sway Franklin, or the other jurors.

“I really think they didn’t have a lot to work with,” she said of Murray’s defense team. “They tried to do what they could with what they had.”

Although the jury came to a verdict fairly quickly, it was not easy for the seven men and five women.

“We took a vote and it was not unanimous, so we said let’s think about it over the weekend and talk about it on Monday,” she said of the jury’s first day of deliberations on Friday, November 4. “It was stressful.”

Franklin says the jury was more easily able to reach a guilty verdict for Murray because of the decision by the prosecution to charge the doctor with involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

Murray now faces as many as four years in prison when he is sentenced November 29. The lightest sentence he could receive is probation, since Murray is a defendant with no prior criminal record, a factor that Judge Michael Pastor will be taking into account. Because of jail overcrowding, Murray may spend little or no time in jail despite whatever sentence Pastor metes out.

“I’m glad I don’t have to make that decision,” Franklin said. “I really have no feeling one way or the other what the sentence is. We did our job.”

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/64338919.html

Yes, they did their job and it was a fine one. I wish  the jury in the AEG trial could listen and learn.

34 Comments leave one →
  1. November 2, 2013 4:43 am

    “Helena, how is your hands now? O my dear takes care of yourself. Your health is first and we need you here dear.” – Mariam

    Mariam, thank you very much. The right hand seems ok, the left hand started moving a bit. It still needs a good deal of exercise and it looks like it will take months.

    “It is very upsetting that it is not read for the juror. I am thinking about FD computer and was there any relevant document in it? Was there a conversation between the lawyers and a judge about it, like KF text?

    As far as I can see TeamMichaelJackson’s files contain only the transcript of the September 9, 2013 proceedings and only up to lunchtime. If we want to have all the documents from that trial we should probably collect more money so that they are able to purchase more.

    The transcript of September 9 has a tiny piece on Frank Dileo mentioned in connection with Karen Faye. First they discuss the fact that only those emails may be admitted as evidence in court which were submitted during depositions. But the Plaintiffs did not ask for that – they just wanted to have Faye’s messages read out in court.

    The second point AEG lawyers find fault with Karen Faye is that she allegedly “hid” from them the email saying on June 23 “yippie”, “everything is great”. This way they want to accuse her of being selective in providing information as she didn’t disclose the email where she spoke of Michael looking great.

    Actually the problem is in that one email only:

    Ms. Bina. Ms. Faye’s here, because we know at least one instance she was selective in what she produced. She produced an e-mail for the plaintiffs’ version of the case but not defendants, which is when —
    Judge. The “yippee”?
    Ms. Bina. Yes. “yippee,” “everything’s great.”
    Mr. Putnam. Same conversation.
    Ms. Bina. And there’s another e-mail in that same time period, your honor, where she says, “I’m very protective of Michael Jackson’s image, and I’ll do anything to protect it.” so she’s a witness who has a motive not — she has, frankly, a motive to fabricate something. I’m not saying she did it, but I’m saying, before we put it to a jury, I’d like an opportunity to examine that, particularly when she didn’t produce it in response to discovery, and she’s been selective in what she’s produced.

    In reply to that Ms. Chang says that first of all the email about “yippee” is not inconsistent as it shows that Karen was happy to see Michael feeling better on June 23 (everyone saw that) and secondly, she asks the AEG lawyers why they themselves did not provide this email when they looked through Dileo’s computer:

    Ms. Chang: …during her deposition, or before the deposition, they subpoenaed her and asked her to bring all her e-mails, and she didn’t. And she didn’t provide these texts. She explained how she found these texts and the number of hours it took. You’re only required to submit what you have at the time of the deposition. She’s not a party, didn’t pursue it with her. Secondly, they alleged that the Frank Dileo e-mails, she didn’t submit an e-mail that she wrote to Frank Dileo that said, “yippee” on the last day. She’s thrilled at how much better he did. It’s not inconsistent. But I will also point out that this is the time period where they represented Frank Dileo and did not produce those documents to us.

    Ms. Bina. We didn’t have them.

    Mr. Putnam. We didn’t have them.

    See how quick the AEG lawyers deny that they saw anything on Dileo’s computer? This way they claim that even when they had access to his computer at the time they represented Frank Dileo (immediately after his death) there was absolutely nothing there they could use for this trial – for example, Dileo’s correspondence with Karen Faye.

    This I HIGHLY doubt because they got Dileo’s computer at a time when no one had yet meddled with it and no one had yet cleared any information from it. AEG were the first to handle it, and if Karen Faye did send something to Dileo his computer should have had it. So if she sent “yeppie” to him, his email should have it too, and if it does not it means that someone erased it.

    Over here the AEG lawyers simply lie. No one could erase anything from Dileo’s computer except them.

    “Is there any way to get the transcript (conversation) about the “jury instruction” between lawyers and the judge that was recorded or written?”

    I haven’t seen it in the TeamMichaelJackson’s files. Maybe someone else has it?

  2. Mariam permalink
    November 1, 2013 9:24 pm

    Helena, how is your hands now? O my dear takes care of yourself. Your health is first and we need you here dear.

    “Mariam, I am infinitely grateful to you for bringing this matter to our attention. By now I’ve found the full text of Karen Faye’s messages in the court transcript of September 9, 2013″ Helena

    I thought it was very interesting and I said to myself let me tell to Helena if in case you do not know about it. I am glad I bringing to your attention because you beautifully wrote about it today. I also twitted about it.

    I read it and it is very upsetting that it is not read for the juror. I am thinking about FD computer and was there any relevant document in it? Was there a conversation between the lawyers and a judge about it, like KF text?

    Is there any way to get the transcript (conversation) about the “jury instruction” between lawyers and the judge that was recorded or written?

  3. Mariam permalink
    November 1, 2013 8:37 pm

    I have got this reply. it is all Good, I think

    Thank you for your message.

    In researching Dr. Murray’s records, I noted that he is no longer licensed in Hawaii. As his license expired on January 31, 2010 and he has no license, there is no license to revoke.

    sincerely,
    Constance I. Cabral
    Executive Officer
    Hawaii Medical Board
    P.O. Box 3469
    Honolulu, HI 96801
    ph: (808) 586-2708

  4. November 1, 2013 4:12 pm

    “The saddest is that Michael lost his life in this cruel,heartless manner.” -rkatarina

    But it seems that he didn’t lose it just for nothing. It seems that the world is gradually recovering from the hell where we were before and his very death is healing the planet.

    Susanne has sent me an article from the Healthy Living magazine, and though they allow only a preview there the previews of its two parts made me feel like seeing a glimpse of a different world.

    Here are the previews:

    By Aida Poulsen
    Who’s Bad
    Michael Jackson: Did he need to die?

    We started to write a piece on the medical issues of the wrongful death trial with AEG Live sued by Michael Jackson’s family (which was concluded when the issue went on press), when we found the trial too insignificant, as the entire life of the superstar is an impactful health, physical and psychical subject. As intense as his dance, Michael Jackson’s life was burned on both ends at a rhythm of his anti-gang violence hit “Beat It” by himself and by the media frenzy.

    Four years after shaking the world with his last move—a spectacular (as cynical as it sounds) death, both the press and us, its docile hordes, seem to have begun admitting a scent of doubt. The Niagara waterfall of ridicule and dirt, under which the music genius spent his brief presence with us, finally thinning, reveals the truth universally acknowledged: to make us believe in him, he needed to die. He will not triumph at our expense over the fact that his art will survive us all, which is not a surmise anymore, as his artistic inheritance proved there is arguably no other in modern art of the same consequence, volume and height of humanitarian essence. Vulnerability, exalted sensitivity of human nature, naivety, agitation, feebleness, pain, hope, despair and search of strength to bear it all became his artistic abode after the unseen scale of popularity, unforgiving of childlike spontaneity and unconsciousness of the media’s predatory nature, had imprisoned a 24 year old Michael Jackson to an unprecedented atrocity of media bullying and public disdain, deadly glued to the former, for the rest of his life.

    FULL STORY and photo gallery in the magazine.

    http://www.healthylivingmagazine.us/Articles/233/

    Some comments:

    OMG THIS IS A PAPER I HAVE TO BUY. OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE MY EYES. FINALLY WE THE MJ COMMUNITY GET TO READ SOMETHING THAT WE DREAMED OF FOR SO MANY YEARS. I CONGRATULATE THE WRITER FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO TELL THE TRUTH AS IS ONCE AND FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

    I have never read your magazine before but to see the possibility of a positive article (can it really be??) about Michael Jackson made me open this link out of dozens in my Google Alerts. I will buy this magazine tomorrow! If it’s as fair and concerned as it appears on the surface, thank you in advance for having the decency to write a caring article about a man who was slaughtered by the media for 25 years. And people wonder why he had health and emotional issues………….

    This is my first time reading this magazine and I only did this time because of the article on Michael Jackson. It almost makes me cry to see Michael finally recognized for who he truly was, yet I almost dread the future articles – will they be another knife in the back, like the Walters interview, or the Martin Bashir interviews? I hope not. Thank you, Aida Poulsen, for a beautiful article so far…

    I have just read the full article and want to congratulate Aida Poulsen for having the courage to stand up and speak the truth about Michael. So many ‘journalists’ resort to cut/copy/paste when it comes to Michael and do not make the effort to even begin to look beneath the surface. Michael was not only a musical genius but a true, real-life humanitarian, who spent his entire life with nothing but LOVE in his heart. I look forward to the series titled “MJ Matrix”. Blessed Be to you.

    This article is one of the lights at the end of a very dark tunnel of media distortion. The author really “gets” what Michael and his message were all about. I purchased the magazine, read the entire article, and look forward with eager anticipation to the follow-ups to come, i.e., the MJMatrix, the things Michael did vs. the things the world did to him. Thank you Ms. Poulsen

    Here is the second preview:

    By Aida Poulsen
    Who’s Bad
    Michael Jackson: Did he need to die?

    … Why is it only now, watching again Barbara Walters’ interview, it is not Michael Jackson but the host who looks unreasonable in emphatically formal attire—gray suit, short haircut, seemingly intended to underscore her subject’s perverseness—when she asks, rather asserts, isn’t it his “extreme” appearance that provokes press ridicule? Does she want him to dress like her, behave like her, think like her? Gray suit, short haircut? Whom she would be interviewing then, and for such a rating? Herself?

    Lady Gaga, a talented and promising performer, seems to be adopting the “technic” of attracting media, only with a safety belt: she would appear before press and on stage, well, everybody knows in what, do her thing, and go back to normal, being very practical, calculating and cautious about where, how and what to say, do and wear, admirably, cold mindedly and skillfully managing her career— the very thing Michael Jackson would have found unthinkable—to be a pretender on stage, or vice versa.

    Michael Jackson was the embodiment of his art; this was the very thing that gave him his immense power and the unwillingness to be dishonest offstage is probably what had killed him. It is unlikely now if he were looking back at the pain he went through and had a chance to live his life again that he would submit to what was the public’s demand and his abhorrence. He was eccentric on stage and in life, and if he had been a Gray Suit in life, he would have been a Gray Suit on stage. Above all, he believed that there is nothing to conceal because of his harmless nature and such, rather rare, characters usually tend to believe in symmetrical response, no matter how many injuries the more common result produces. Because believing otherwise would have ruined him…

    Michael Jackson: “When your life is in front of 100 million people since the age of 5 you are automatically different.” And different he was. But people around him weren’t.

    http://www.healthylivingmagazine.us/Articles/238/

  5. October 31, 2013 4:01 pm

    It was for tactical reasons Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter rather than murder 2.The circumstances 6/25 are in no way fully clarified.And he is released due to overcrowding .If he gets a medical license it will be a shame for all U.S. licencing boards and the whole country.–The AEG trial leaves much to criticise,witnesses not heard (Ortega) properly,traps and snares and poor instructions to the jury.Wonder if that was done on purpose.The whole story started with Thome bringing T.Barrack to Michaels. In its totality it appears as a gamble,
    with the twisted contract, winning either way.The saddest is that Michael lost his life in this cruel,heartless manner.

  6. October 31, 2013 12:54 pm

    “Helena, someone twitted & it is on her blog.” – Mariam

    Mariam, I am infinitely grateful to you for bringing this matter to our attention. By now I’ve found the full text of Karen Faye’s messages in the court transcript of September 9, 2013.

    By a strange twist of fate this matter was discussed in court the very next day I broke both of my arms, so this period of the trial got totally lost on me.

    Of course when things happen the way they do there is always a reason for it, so there must be some divine logic why it happened this way and why we learned about those messages only now.

    But one other thing has also become clear to me and it is a very bitter thought.

    TeamMichaelJackson has gone into much sacrifice to get those transcripts and post them on their website, I was forced to stop all activity due to the accident at that time – and no one has taken the trouble to read that transcript for almost two months?

    Or someone has read it and not told others about it? And no one has made an effort to spread the truth and stand up for it all this time? Of course these people would not have changed the outcome of the trial, but they would have simply done their duty of telling the truth to others.

    I’m sorry, guys, but this way nothing will ever come of it. If we want the truth about Michael to win we should do something about it. Each of us should do the little each of us can do, and there is no place for waiting or relying on someone else.

    All of us are human beings and all of us are weak and vulnerable. Only some take it upon themselves to carry more burden than the others. And as long as we wait for a “hero” to come and save us, nothing will change.

    We don’t need a hero. We don’t need a leader. We simply need to do the very little expected of each of us just at the time when it needs to be done.

  7. simba permalink
    October 31, 2013 12:49 pm

    After his testimony throwing MJ under the bus, I ceased thinking of KO as one of the ‘good guys’. Karen Faye’s emails seal the deal.

    But am I the only person who notices a glaring omission from her contemporaneous accounts of the goings-on June18-20?

  8. October 31, 2013 11:31 am

    “don’t know if anyone else has emailed the Hawaii medical board, but I did it yesterday and had the following reply back in 12 hours – impressive and made me feel better: “In researching Dr. Murray’s records, I noted that he is no longer licensed in Hawaii. As his license expired on January 31, 2010, we no longer have jurisdiction over Dr. Murray’s license.”

    Good work, Caro Attwell. Thank you very much, so we can relax a little bit at least here. However it is time to spread the other news now.

    The transcript of court proceedings on September 9, 2013 provides the full text of Karen Faye’s messages she sent the morning of June 19th. It was later that very day that Michael would be in a state of shock and icy-cold and Alif Sankey would say that she saw him dying. And Kenny Ortega would be so concerned that he would send a message to Randy Phillips later. No wonder he was “concerned”, because the previous night he himself and AEG were the reason for what happened:

    Ms.Chang is reading Karen Faye’s messages:

    First this:

    Ms. Chang. It’s actually — it goes four pages. And I can read it for the record. It basically says: “MJ has not shown up yet. His call was 4:00.” this is at almost — its 7:55 p.m. “His fear is big. He needs a 24/7 therapist.” and then the next one, it goes: “Kenny was mad.”

    And then this:

    “DIDN’T GET HOME UNTIL 2:30. KENNY WAS MAD,” [all in caps].
    “He and Randy Phillips and the doctor held a sort of intervention. MJ didn’t show till 9:30 p.m. Kenny told me AEG, (Randy Phillips) is funding his entire life right now. His house, food, kids, school, everything. They told him they will,” [all capitals] “PULL THE PLUG IF HE DOESN’T GET HIS SHIT TOGETHER. IF HE DOESN’T DO THIS, HE LOSES EVERYTHING, PROBABLY EVEN HIS KIDS.”

    Her boyfriend texts, “I hope he doesn’t.”

    She writes back, “He came in ‘very serious’ last night. Any ‘hand holding’ has been removed. He has to be forced to face his fears.”

    That’s the texts.

  9. October 31, 2013 11:12 am

    -Kenny Ortega (KO) was angry that night.
    -KF was told by KO that KO, Randy Phillips (RP), Conrad Murray (CM) and MJ had held a meeting of some kind – or an “intervention”.
    -KO told KF that “AEG (Randy Phillips) is funding [MJs] entire life right now. His house, food, kids school, everything.”
    -They told MJ that they will “pull the plug” [on the TII show] if MJ “doesn’t get his shit together”.
    -“If he doesn’t do this, he loses everything…probably even his kids.”

    “So this was from a REAL TIME text message on june 18. 2009. This didnt happen after Michael died, but while he was dying. Nothing hindsight about that. If they threatened him that he would lose his kids that is the most evil of everything they did. Worse than the ‘freak’ or other nasty things they called him. I have always given KO the benefit of the doubt but I got serious doubts when he changed his tune the second time on the stand and suddenly started the blame card. How could this man hug Michaels mother knowing that such horrible threats were made against her son. Great friend, applauded by the jury for ….. what exactly while the truthful one (KF) is scolded for telling it like it is.” – Sina

    Sina, yes, this is the worst thing they could say to Michael.

    So this is absolutely no time to stay in limbo – it is time to do serious work.

    Everybody, please don’t wait that someone comes and “saves” us from lies taking the upper hand. It is time to tell the truth and make it really known in each corner of the planet.

    It is time to reread the court documents, analyze facts, bring them over to the public or OTHERWISE they will rewrite history right in front of our eyes.

    We have all these facts and it is no time to sulk or wait for someone else to do it for us.

    No one will tell the truth. Only we can do it.

    Just take those messages and post them in every place you can.

    They will tell you that Karen Faye is a “liar” but all you need to do is show the way she retrieved those messages from her iphone and that she readily offered them for a forensic analysis. Ms. Chang described it to the judge on September 9, 2013:

    Ms. Chang: “I just want to state this for Karen Faye because I think a lot of bad things have been said on the record. As an officer of the court, I went to get the phone from her. I asked her, “can you show me how you went and retrieved all this?” it was the most tedious thing. She had to go back all the way to 2009 and scroll down. There was no fabrication of any evidence there. I saw — it must have taken her days to go back that far. And so with respect to that, I feel — especially since she so gladly went over and said, “do any forensic analysis that you want to do.” but it is degrading, it’s humiliating.”

  10. October 31, 2013 10:55 am

    “seems to me , he is lying through his teeth , right in front of Michaels casket” – Nan

    Nan, yes, Ortega is lying or at least not telling the whole story. The AEG lawyers went to great lengths not to allow Karen Faye’s messages to be read out in court and cross-examine Ortega over things that would make some of his statements look “inconsistent” (false to put it plainly).

    I’ve finally read their court discussion of Karen Faye’s messages on September 9, 2009 (taking place out of the presence of the jury) and though the AEG lawyers’ arguments against Karen’s messages are ridiculous, they worked. The judge did not allow them to be even read in court.

    All of it is so big demagogy and sophism that it is even indecent. Here is just an excerpt from it:

    Ms. Bina “So Mr. Ortega was asked a couple of different questions. He was asked: “do you recall whether you told Karen Faye that Dr. Murray and Randy Phillips had had some sort of intervention?” and he says, “I don’t recall that.” so he was only asked, “do you recall,” not did he ever say it. So, “do you recall?” “I don’t recall that.” “do you recall whether you told Karen Faye that AEG was funding Michael’s entire life right now? His food, kids and everything?” he said, “no.” again, the question was, “do you recall.” they never asked the follow-up question of, “well, do you deny you said it? Is it possible you might have said it?” none of those things.

    Judge. “Did you ever tell Karen Faye?”

    Ms. Bina. Right. “do you recall whether you ever told Karen Faye that AEG has told Michael that they’re going to pull the plug if he doesn’t get it together?” answer: “maybe in some capacity to that.” and then, “did you ever tell Karen Faye that any hand holding is removed?” and he said, again, “we may have had a conversation about something like that.” those four, he said, “I don’t recall” to two of them, and he specifically admitted the other two. What remains is, “did you tell Karen Faye that Michael — if Michael doesn’t do this, he’ll lose everything, including his kids?” he did say “no” to that, but the text doesn’t attribute that statement to him. Now, Ms. Faye —

    Judge. Doesn’t attribute it to?

    Ms. Bina. To Kenny Ortega. Doesn’t attribute it to anyone. The last thing she says, “if he doesn’t do this, he loses everything, probably even his kids,” it’s not clear that that’s a statement in the text attributed to Mr. Ortega. Now, Ms. Faye might testify that Mr. Ortega told her that. She might testify, but it’s not in the text. And if she testifies, I would argue, it’s a pretty collateral matter, whether Kenny Ortega ever told Karen Faye, Michael might lose his kids if he doesn’t do this, has no bearing on any position of the case. So that’s the only time, your honor —

    Ms. Chang: “.. the jury has only heard one side, and that’s AEG’s pure love, pure support, no pressure whatsoever, Kumbaya, holding hands, and “he hugged me the last day he saw me.” okay. 

    That’s the story the jury has. And we all know from a whole variety of sources — and Ms. Jessica Stebbins Bina knows, because there’s other people, not only Ms. Faye, but other people who have — Alif Sankey, other people who have alleged to the pressure that’s being inflicted. 
    However, after that argument failed, then we vehemently argued about, in sidebar, how — other hearsay exceptions, and your honor finally said, “the easiest way to do this is get Kenny Ortega here. It’s clean and dry, it’s a prior inconsistent statement.” and we agreed with that. So we all waited for Kenny Ortega. 

    So then the questions here now, it’s unclear, like a lot of things in this trial, he never came out, flat out, either the question was unclear at some point, or the answers weren’t clear. But there are some crystal-clear questions, and I’ll read one from page 13,567 of the transcript: “did you ever tell Karen Faye that AEG had told Michael that if he doesn’t do this, he loses everything?” “no.” and this is right after, “do you ever recall” — you know, whether they’d pull the plug if he doesn’t get it together. “did you ever tell Karen Faye that Michael had to face his fears?” “no.” so all of that — that is clear — 

    Judge. It’s kind of interesting that — 

    Ms. Bina. Your honor — 

    Judge. — If he didn’t remember, then why didn’t you refresh him? Well, you know, showed him something, and even if it was these texts, you could have shown it to him.

    Ms. Chang. Actually, we did show those texts.

    Judge. To Kenny Ortega?

    Mr. Putnam. No. The answer is “no,” your honor. The reason is because it’s not inconsistent.

    Mr. Panish. We actually did give it to his lawyer who showed it to him, and he denied it.

    Ms. Chang. And he said, “I would never have this conversation with Karen Faye.”

    Ms. Bina. Your honor, again, it was not done on the witness stand, which is where it should be done. The only way you get a prior inconsistent statement is you ask the witness, and he denies making the statement. Now, there are times when the witness is being evasive, and only when the witness is being evasive, and they say, “I don’t know,” it can be construed as a denial.

    Judge. That’s true.

    Ms. Bina. That’s not the situation here. He admitted some of the statements. He didn’t recall others. He denied two, but those two are not actually attributed to him in the texts. “any hand holding has been removed” and the statement about — sorry — the statement about “he has to be forced to face his fears,” and “if he doesn’t do this, he loses everything, even his kids” in the texts, are not attributed to Mr. Ortega or AEG now, it’s possible the witness has a memory that impeaches Mr. Ortega on those two statements, but that’s not grounds for getting the texts in. And the other four statements were never denied, so there’s no inconsistency there. Again, they had the opportunity to ask Mr. Ortega, “did you make those statements” —

    Judge. To Ms. Faye.

    Ms. Bina. — “To Ms. Faye?” to have him get squirrely and say, “I don’t recall,” have him deny it —

    Ms. Chang. There’s a firm denial.

    Ms. Bina. The standard follow-up answer, your honor, is — to “do you recall making the statement?” is, “well, are you saying you didn’t make the statement?” and they never asked that.

    Judge. Or “if I showed you a text, would it help you refresh” —

    Ms. Bina. “Would it refresh your recollection?” they could have, and all of that —

    Ms. Chang. That’s not what —

    Ms. Bina. Can I please finish?

    Ms. Chang. Your honor stated, “Get him to say whether he said it or not.” there’s no rule —

    Judge. But you didn’t do that.

    Ms. Chang. Yeah. How — “did you ever tell Karen Faye that AEG had told Michael that if he doesn’t do this, he loses everything?” “no.” “Did you ever tell Karen Faye that Michael had to face his fears?” “no.” we don’t have to refresh his recollection.

    Ms. Bina. Those were clear denials, your honor. We’re not disputing that.

    Ms. Chang. Okay.

    Ms. Bina. But they’re also not attributed to Mr. Ortega in the texts. So, again, it’s possible that they can bring in Ms. Faye, and she has an independent recollection that would impeach Mr. Ortega as to those two statements.

    Judge. And she’ll say that, yes that information came from Mr. Ortega.

    Ms. Bina. Right. At that point —

    Judge. She hasn’t said that yet.

    Ms. Bina. Right. So it’s possible — she said that at deposition, your honor, so there’s reason to believe that she will say that. Again, that’s not grounds for getting the texts in. It might be grounds for getting her testimony in.

    Ms. Chang. I think we’re fighting —

    Ms. Bina. Can I finish please, Ms. Chang?

    Judge. Ms. Chang, let her finish.

    Ms. Chang. This helps her. We’re not trying to get the texts into evidence. I think she thinks we are.

    Judge. I thought you were, too.

    Ms. Chang. No, no, no, no, no. The code doesn’t allow us to get the texts in, it allows us to read from it.

    Judge. If it’s past recollection recorded, you haven’t gotten that analysis yet.

    Ms. Bina. Which is what I’m getting to. They’re not allowed to get in the texts or read from the texts. Ms. Faye, conceivably, could impeach Mr. Ortega as to the two statements he specifically denied. I would argue, your honor, that at that point, the testimony is cumulative and collateral because Ms. Faye repeatedly said on the stand, said Mr. Ortega was pressuring Mr. Jackson —


    Ms. Bina. But as to those two statements, your honor, if Ms. Faye has a recollection that impeaches Mr. Ortega, they would not be hearsay. The remaining four statements are hearsay with no exception, because Mr. Ortega never denied them, and plaintiffs never asked the questions that would lay the foundation for prior inconsistent statements. So we’re only dealing with the two statements, not the six. So then we talked about the two statements —

    Judge. The two statements where there was negative responses?

    Mr. Putnam. Yes, your honor.

    Ms. Bina. With a negative response.

    Judge. It wasn’t a “do you recall,” it was a direct “yes.”

    Ms. Bina. It was a direct “yes” or “no,” which is “he has to be forced to face his fears” and if —

    Judge. Loses.

    Ms. Chang. “Loses everything.”

    Ms. Bina. “He loses everything, including his kids.” and, again, actually, that one is not actually an inconsistent statement, if you go by what the text says. The text says — doesn’t attribute an author to that. Mr. Ortega was asked, “did you ever tell Karen Faye that AEG said that?” it’s possible that Mr. Ortega said it to Karen Faye without it being from AEG. They didn’t ask that question. So in any event, Ms. Faye might have an independent recollection that impeaches on those two statements alone. The other four, there’s no basis for admission whatsoever. Then we get to the second question of, well, can she read from the texts as to those two statements? And the law is very clear that that is not permissible; that past recollection recorded, two things have to happen first: first, the witness can have no independent recollection. Ms. Faye has testified under oath that she remembers specifically everything that happened.

    Judge. Did she say that in trial or in the depo?

    Ms. Bina. She said that in the trial.

    Mr. Putnam. In trial.

    Ms. Bina. She had the text in front of her, and she said, “I remember. I don’t need the texts. I remember specifically what happened on June 18th.” now, it’s possible they’ll bring her back in, and she’ll magically forget all that. But she testified to all that repeatedly under oath at her deposition and elsewhere. [AFTER SHE SAW HER MESSAGES SHE RECALLED THEM]

    Mr. Putnam. At trial.

    Ms. Bina. So I don’t have any reason to believe she will suddenly have a lapse of memory, requiring her to read these two texts. So first the witness has to have no recollection at all. Then —

    Judge. And if she doesn’t, you refresh.

    Ms. Bina. Then you refresh. Exactly, your honor. And the law is very, very clear, and we cited the authorities in our opposition papers, that if the witness is refreshed and then can testify, then you don’t get it in as a past recollection recorded.

    Judge. Right.

    Ms. Bina. Only if, after attempting to refresh, the witness still has no memory of what happened, then you can read from the document.
    Judge. And that’s usually only in the case where it’s such a lengthy document, such a lengthy list of something, that nobody can possibly retain it just by reading it on the stand. That’s usually how it happens.

    Mr. Putnam. And how we’ve done it in this trial.

    Ms. Bina. Right. The problem here, your honor, is that reading from the document as to those two statements wouldn’t actually impeach Mr. Ortega, because the document doesn’t attribute them to Mr. Ortega. So we have this sort of convoluted situation here where there’s text messages that they’re basically trying to get in to bolster Ms. Faye’s credibility, which they can’t do unless it’s challenged. And there’s no grounds for admitting at least four of the six statements in question. Again, Ms. Faye might have a recollection that might contradict Mr. Ortega’s denial on two specific statements, and they could potentially bring her in, ask her those two questions. She can testify as to her recollection. If we then challenged it, then she might get it in, in part, as an inconsistent statement. But that’s the only way the text would ever come in.

    Mr. Panish. Clearly comes in —
    Ms. Bina. Not past recollection recorded unless she can’t remember it. And even, after being refreshed on it, can’t remember it actually happening, at which point then I suppose you could read it in, but it would have to be actually inconsistent, and it’s not. So that’s —

    Judge. I would be surprised, because it’s one sentence, how you would not remember. How could you not be refreshed?

    Ms. Bina. Particularly since she said it multiple times, including under oath, and testified a month ago that she could remember specifically everything, and the text only clarified the dates for her. Then turning to the last issue, your honor, which is the forensic examination of the text. Since I don’t think there’s any basis to admit the texts, I don’t think there’s any need to go through forensically examining them. But there is a concern here. Ms. Faye was subpoenaed in two different cases. She came — she brought documents to her depositions, including documents that, you know, showed that she was concerned about Mr. Jackson that she sent to Mr. Dileo saying he was thin, and he was sabotaging himself, and so on and so forth. She didn’t bring the texts. She didn’t bring the texts in at all. She didn’t bring them when she first testified at trial. She instead brought them on her second or third appearance and said, “oh, I’ve suddenly found the texts.” well, again, your honor, we’d ask the opportunity to examine, if your honor was inclined to admit the texts, because it’s suspicious when they were discovered. It’s also very, very easy to fake. You only have the printout of the texts. And as your honor will recall, we went away at lunch and figured out exactly how easy it is to change the dates on an iPhone conversation, and it’s super, super easy. Takes two minutes. So we’d like the opportunity to prove that hadn’t been done. And, again, there is some reason to doubt Ms. Faye’s —

    Mr. Putnam. Veracity.

    Ms. Bina. Ms. Faye’s here, because we know at least one instance she was selective in what she produced. She produced an e-mail for the plaintiffs’ version of the case but not defendants, which is when —

    Judge. The “yippee”?

    Ms. Bina. Yes. “yippee,” “everything’s great.”

    Mr. Putnam. Same conversation.

    Ms. Bina. And there’s another e-mail in that same time period, your honor, where she says, “I’m very protective of Michael Jackson’s image, and I’ll do anything to protect it.” so she’s a witness who has a motive not — she has, frankly, a motive to fabricate something. I’m not saying she did it, but I’m saying, before we put it to a jury, I’d like an opportunity to examine that, particularly when she didn’t produce it in response to discovery, and she’s been selective in what she’s produced. But I don’t think we need to deal with any of that, because the only two statements at issue aren’t directly contradicted by the texts, so I don’t think there are any grounds for ever getting to the texts. The only issue is whether Ms. Faye can come in and testify against Mr. Ortega as to the two statements he actually said “no” to. And that may be, but I think at that point, your honor, it’s pretty irrelevant as to whether kenny ortega ever told her —

    [WHY NOT LET THE JURY DECIDE?]

    Judge. It’s pretty marginal.

    Mr. Putnam. So marginal, your honor.

    Judge. Benefit is pretty marginal.

    Ms. Bina. Very marginal.

    Ms. Chang. But it’s our —

    Judge. I know it’s your case. I think even if you get that, it’s so marginal —

    Ms. Chang. Do we want to leave the impression it’s all hugs and kisses from AEG?

    Judge. We have enough of that impression.

    Mr. Putnam. And, your honor, that’s why —

    Mr. Panish. Are we coming back at 1:30?

    Judge. One thing, and then I have to let the staff go.

    Ms. Chang. I’m so sorry, your honor. The thing about Karen Faye on the texts, we don’t know until we lay the foundation. We were interrupted, we didn’t do it, so we just don’t know. The second thing, I just want to state this for Karen Faye because I think a lot of bad things have been said on the record. As an officer of the court, I went to get the phone from her. I asked her, “can you show me how you went and retrieved all this?” it was the most tedious thing. She had to go back all the way to 2009 and scroll down. There was no fabrication of any evidence there. I saw — it must have taken her days to go back that far. And so with respect to that, I feel — especially since she so gladly went over and said, “do any forensic analysis that you want to do.” but it is degrading, it’s humiliating. But with that said, why don’t we all powwow, take a break, see where we are. I think we all agree that she’s entitled to do something. We can lay foundation for other things, and then we can all discuss how marginal or helpful it would be over lunch.

    Judge. That’s what I suggest you do.

    Mr. Putnam. Yes, because we don’t agree —

    Ms. Bina. But, your honor, I don’t think there’s really any room for debate. There’s only two statements, and Ms. Faye can come in —

    Judge. I’m done with the argument. I wanted to focus on the marginality of the benefit.

    Ms. Chang. Let me —

    Judge. Say this to Mr. Putnam.

  11. Nan permalink
    October 31, 2013 12:32 am

    Helena, I hope you are feeling better..<3
    I was just watching the Staples Center memorial and at the part of 2 hours and 22 minutes, Kenny Ortega gets up and starts talking for a few moments abou tMJ and "what they all knew, and they all saw, I promise you , Michaels triumphant return" and how they all were a family and he thought it was mj best work.:(((
    When you look back at what we now know, I cant believe he got up there and said that, but hey , he is a company guy
    He seems so sincere:(
    seems to me , he is lying through his teeth , right in front of Michaels casket

  12. aemaleski permalink
    October 30, 2013 9:24 pm

    Sina, Read your comment and felt appalled about by the facts that you wrote about. It makes me so mad that I want to spit. I want to say is how dare they do that Michael. That is totally inconsiderate and disrespectful. And furthermore Michael was not a drug addict! Ohhhhh! this whole thing is a royal mess. And makes me feel nauseated at the same time.

  13. Sina permalink
    October 30, 2013 5:27 pm

    -MJ was hours late for rehearsal on June 18.
    -“[MJs] fear is big. He needs a 24/7 therapist.”
    -Kenny Ortega (KO) was angry that night.
    -KF was told by KO that KO, Randy Phillips (RP), Conrad Murray (CM) and MJ had held a meeting of some kind – or an “intervention”.
    -KO told KF that “AEG (Randy Phillips) is funding [MJs] entire life right now. His house, food, kids school, everything.”
    -They told MJ that they will “pull the plug” [on the TII show] if MJ “doesn’t get his shit together”.
    -“If he doesn’t do this, he loses everything…probably even his kids.”
    -“[MJ] came in ‘very serious’” that night [the 18th]
    -“Any ‘hand holding’ has been removed. [MJ] has to be forced to face his fears.”

    So this was from a REAL TIME text message on june 18. 2009.
    This didnt happen after Michael died, but while he was dying. Nothing hindsight about that.

    If they threatened him that he would lose his kids that is the most evil of everything they did. Worse than the ‘freak’ or other nasty things they called him.
    The phrase : he came in ‘very serious’ tells me that he was just pretending to go with what was demanded from him.
    I have always given KO the benefit of the doubt but I got serious doubts when he changed his tune the second time on the stand and suddenly started the blame card.
    How could this man hug Michaels mother knowing that such horrible threats were made against her son. Great friend, applauded by the jury for ….. what exactly while the truthful one (KF) is scolded for telling it like it is.
    And KO lived happily ever after.

  14. Caro Attwell permalink
    October 30, 2013 10:17 am

    Hi everyone

    don’t know if anyone else has emailed the Hawaii medical board, but I did it yesterday and had the following reply back in 12 hours – impressive and made me feel better –

    Thank you for your message.

    In researching Dr. Murray’s records, I noted that he is no longer licensed in Hawaii. As his license expired on January 31, 2010, we no longer have jurisdiction over Dr. Murray’s license.

    sincerely,
    Constance I. Cabral
    Executive Officer
    Hawaii Medical Board
    P.O. Box 3469
    Honolulu, HI 96801
    ph: (808) 586-2708

  15. October 30, 2013 8:10 am

    What Mariam posted I also found on this link:

    http://mjsloveismagical.blogspot.ca/2013/10/michael-jackson-and-aeg-part-1-those.html

  16. Mariam permalink
    October 30, 2013 6:50 am

    Helena, someone twitted & it is on her blog . Steph Martin @neverletyoupart twitted the link but i could not get in now. I will try later

  17. October 30, 2013 5:55 am

    Goodness gracious, I think we missed an extremely important part of the AEG trial – the one where they discussed Ortega’s email out of the presence of the jury. I’ve just found it posted by the great TeamMichaelJackson and urge you to read it. Haven’t even read it myself as must be running now, hopefully will get back to it later.

    http://ru.scribd.com/doc/167232463/Transcripts-KATHERINE-JACKSON-V-AEG-LIVE-September-9th-2013

    Please download it on your computers to safeguard us from losing it for some reason.

  18. October 30, 2013 5:18 am

    “Helena, I found FK text message on twitter, did you see it ? here is the link: “The text messages in question were sent by KF to her boyfriend on the evening of June 18 2009 into June 19 2009. The texts themselves are available for anyone to see, but I will summarize quickly” – Mariam

    My God, Mariam, you have the whole text??? Please share as we cannot open the link now.

    -They told MJ that they will “pull the plug” [on the TII show] if MJ “doesn’t get his shit together”.
    -“If he doesn’t do this, he loses everything…probably even his kids.”

    Just as we expected, but I never knew they could threaten Michael with him losing his kids. This is the worst he could ever hear. Oh, now things are getting much clearer.

  19. October 30, 2013 3:15 am

    Mariam, thank you for this important information on KF. However, the link does not work and I saw that KF’s twitter is not public anymore.
    Can you provide the entire texts?

  20. Mariam permalink
    October 29, 2013 8:38 pm

    “In my eyes AEG is as guilty of a crime against Michael Jackson as Conrad Murray is. And in some way probably even more” Helena

    Yes, if AEG not hired CM and pressured him, MJ wouldn’t die. So AEG is the big one and a main cause for MJ death.

    “As far as I remember it was Dr. Early. He did claim that propofol is addictive and forming a dependecy, but in the same testimony he himself refuted his own statement – propofol does not have withdrawal symptoms and you “just stop it” without any effect on the way the body system functions. There is no need to wean off propofol, no need to replace it with anything, no need to cope with withdrawal symptoms (because there are none) – you just stop it and that’s it.”

    Propofol is not addictive; there is no addiction for propofol because there is no such conclusion so far to rely on. May be I don’t know much about it, but if there is, AEG could have strong evidence to prove but they didn’t.

    MJ want it because he thought he could get sleep and rest so that he can work the next day. Propofol does not make you high or not give you energy to do something. Actually, MJ didn’t like to get high as per Debbie. I believed that, in fact, if he wants to get high, he just can have those street drugs, he can do whatever he like as anybody else. I don’t understand why people think he is addicted for Propofol even though study did not indicate or very sure about it, except AEG’s man Dr. Early. As you said AEG just want him to be addict so that science/study also has to change now to fit their agenda.

    Finally, thank you for your hard work Helena, I cannot tell you enough how much I learn from your search and analyses every time.

    Helena, I found FK text message on twitter, did you see it ? here is the link:

    “The text messages in question were sent by KF to her boyfriend on the evening of June 18 2009 into June 19 2009. The texts themselves are available for anyone to see, but I will summarize quickly:

    -MJ was hours late for rehearsal on June 18.
    -“[MJs] fear is big. He needs a 24/7 therapist.”
    -Kenny Ortega (KO) was angry that night.
    -KF was told by KO that KO, Randy Phillips (RP), Conrad Murray (CM) and MJ had held a meeting of some kind – or an “intervention”.
    -KO told KF that “AEG (Randy Phillips) is funding [MJs] entire life right now. His house, food, kids school, everything.”
    -They told MJ that they will “pull the plug” [on the TII show] if MJ “doesn’t get his shit together”.
    -“If he doesn’t do this, he loses everything…probably even his kids.”
    -“[MJ] came in ‘very serious’” that night [the 18th]
    -“Any ‘hand holding’ has been removed. [MJ] has to be forced to face his fears.”

    *the ONLY thing that I added or changed at all was to specify who she meant when she said ‘he’ a couple times. (which was all confirmed by Karen.)

    So, now that we know what they say – why do they matter? First of all, some of these points are things that KF has said for a long time already. But, when the information comes in this form, it becomes more accurate for two reasons. ”

    http://t.co/4Qu5xnMwQdMJJBlog2009

  21. Sina permalink
    October 29, 2013 6:48 pm

    Helena I hope you are making some progress healthwise Sounds like you had a backlash because of overstraining. I wish you all the best and please take care .

    Yesterday was a sad day , I felt a bit numb and I was thinking what to do with the situation.
    I am by principle against giving a platform to convicts of crimes where human lives are involved. even after they have served their time. Especially if they refuse to take the stand to be questioned about their doings in a court of law , then use the media to tell their version of the story to the public. I also do not have faith in the media that they will handle questioning Murray with integrity, as sensationalism is what sells and what counts. Im sure CM will be encouraged to make statements for shock effect. Also it is not fair because the victim cannot defend himself.
    But since we cannot and I would not want to stop the media from doing their work, which is breaking the news – and Murrays release is news- imo we have to accept the fact that it will happen.
    Now we have to pick our battles and goals wisely and try to find allies with the media and the public. I don’t think advocating against free speech or promote bullying or hate campaigns will help. I also do not want to give Murray too much attention that will increase media demand and his price.
    My goal would be to prevent CM from restoration of his license . I think the public needs to be protected against a doctor who killed a man because of gross negligence and has not shown any remorse or compassion for his patient or his family. That does not deserve a second chance.
    I am trying to find out if the public who is not a party in a case of revoked license can influence the decision of the board .
    I wish I could be as optimistic as Caro , but Im a skeptic as far as public influence is concerned.
    I found a site about medical licensing, and will look into it when I have more time.
    This is what it says about restoration of medical license.

    “The burden of proof is on the applicant seeking restoration of a medical license. The applicant must adduce sufficient evidence so ineluctable in its implications that it would compel restoration of license by the Board. There is conflict of opinion regarding the burden of proof. One view is that issues of fact in a revocation or suspension proceeding do not have to be shown beyond a reasonable doubt, but only by a preponderance of the evidence. On the other hand, some courts have held that the board is required to use clear and convincing evidence due to the plenary nature of the proceedings[xii].
    Courts will review the conclusions of law de novo. While reviewing the sanctions imposed by the licensing board, the court defers to the board’s expertise and will not generally substitute its discretion for that of the board. The physician can seek mandamus as an available and appropriate remedy for wrongful revocation if no other method of review has been provided by the statute. However, mandamus is not the proper remedy if the statute provides another adequate remedy, such as appeal.”

    http://physicians.uslegal.com/revocation-and-suspension-of-physician-licenses/#sthash.iA6BvZBH.dpufor

    http://physicians.uslegal.com/revocation-and-suspension-of-physician-licenses/.

  22. October 29, 2013 3:51 pm

    Actually the need to adopt an anti-defamation law raised by Dialdancer on a different thread concerns Conrad Murray in the first place, so let me repeat this information here too. The law proposed by Cadeflaw is so natural that I am totally surprised that it has not been adopted yet. All it suggests is allowing the successors of the deceased to bring civil action against the slanderer and give him a chance to prove what he is saying:

    As you know CadeFlaw the Anti-defamation Legacy Initiative for the State of California has gone National. It is now AdLLaw (Ad Law). I’d like to invite anyone who has not heard of AdLLaw to read from the below links.

    Our freedom of speech is precious, but there is no man made law which says you have the right to slander another. There is a law from a higher order which says: “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” There is another which reads: “Thy shall not steal.” If you are getting tired of nagging, protesting and boycotting these people how about helping to realize a law the successors of the deceased can use to bring civil action when it is warranted? -Dialdancer

    Dialdancer, this law is absolutely indispensable! “Thy shall not steal” also means that no one should be allowed to steal a good reputation from a man who died and cannot defend himself any longer. Lack of this law allows all kinds of crooks to keep silent when people are alive but pour dirt on them when they are dead. Allowing them to do that is unfair, unreasonable and is simply revolting.

    Adopting a new law will simply allow the living and the dead to have the same rights, with the only exception that the dead will not speak for themselves. Well, at least their successors will be able to!

    Denying them this right is like leaving them helpless in the hands of all sorts of rogues who will extort money from the successors by threats that they will drag their dear ones through the mud. Think of WR – if there was a law like that there would be a big fat chance that he would have never come up with his lies.

    THE LAW IS A COMPLETE MUST!

    “What’s So Special About The AdLLaw Initiative and Petition? ” (The Grandfather clause)

    http://cadeflaw.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/an-action-for-defamation.jpg?w=516&h=278

    If you previously signed the CADEFLAW Petition, but have not signed the AdLLaw Petition I ask that you do so.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/protect-the-legacy-of

    Dial, in reply to the Cadeflaw petition let me repeat Caro Attwell’s words just said in this thread addressing them to all readers:

    “Come on fans, this isn’t a time for apathy, helplessness or hopelessness. As Gandhi so rightly said “Be the change in the world you want to see”. Michael was and we owe it to his memory and legacy to continue that sentiment whenever and whereever we can.”

  23. October 29, 2013 3:07 pm

    “The big indication to make me think the fact that CM intentionally left MJ to die or want him to die is “the delay for 911 call”. The whole circumstance that day and before indicates that it was intentional even it seems coordinated murder crime when I see it now after the AEG trial.” – Mariam

    Mariam, every secret will one day be known. Let us be patient and peel off layer after layer of it to finally see the truth. I’ve been analyzing the timeline of the events on June 25th once again and think that at the time Murray found Michael not breathing he knew too well that MJ had been long dead and no resuscitation methods or calling 911 would revive him.

    So everything he did since that moment was just a masquarade and covering up his tracks. When bodyguards Alvaraz and Faheem came he asked them if they knew CPR. They were stunned but for Murray it was a logical question – he himself did not want to do a CPR on a dead body. He also wanted someone else to do it while he would busy himself with collecting things.

    For the same reason he didn’t bother to put MJ’s body on a firm surface for CPR – what’s the point of moving him if it does not matter anyway? I doubt that he as a cardioloigist didn’t know that it should be done on a firm surface, but at that moment his mind was busy not with reviving Michael but with making a performance meant for his spectators and future witnesses.

    The same thing with the 911 call – it was another of his calculated steps. He did not want Alvarez to call 911 unless he first collected those vials. Why so? And what if the paramedics arrived immediately and he would not have time to hide all the evidence incriminating him?

    But what makes me think that he didn’t kill on purpose is his totally different demeanor before and after finding Michael not breathing. Before that he sent voicemails and text messages and spoke to one doctor on the phone not showing a sign of any agitation, and after that he was nervous, frantic, perspiring.

    What I mean is that if he had committed a cold-blooded murder and could calmly speak on the phone to create an alibi for himself all the while knowing of the dead man in the next room, he would have behaved in a similar cold-blooded manner afterwards too – cool, composed and professional. However to everyone who saw him at that time it looked like he was in a panicky state.

    This is the impression I get now though I cannot guarantee to you that this is correct.

  24. October 29, 2013 2:19 pm

    “No shock, Helena, I had similar thoughts about Murray for his post-jail time. I thought, well, let him talk after his release, he will make it only worse for himself. Every time he talked in an interview or on a released audio tape he made a fool of himself. Remember the song he sang on CNN?
    His documentary after the trial also didn’t help him because he exposed himself to ridicule. He didn’t come across as a credible person in public. The way he talks and his arrogant behavior doesn’t make him friends.” – Susanne

    You know, at the time Murray’s documentary aired I absolutely had no strength to watch it. However two years later it became easier and I’m indeed amazed to see what an arrogant and pathological liar he is. What amazes me most is that he changes his story within seconds. It does not bother him that initially he said one thing, then he said another thing and now it is something different from the first two. And each time he is right!

    And it is always someone else who is to blame. Murray doesn’t call 911 himself because there is no telephone line (with two mobile telephones in his pocket), so he summons Alvarez and tells him to call 911. But then he stops him and tells him to first collect the vials and then call 911, and when Alvarez finally calls Murray ridicules him for having to prompt him simple things like Michael’s age – Alavarez does not even know that Michael is fifty!

    And Murray gives the interviewer a stare trying to produce the impression that not knowing the age is something totally outrageous – and this after he has just killed his patient and never bothered to call 911 himself!

    Indeed, when you bring all these pieces together you get the impression that he is simply crazy.

    At the time when the documentary was broadcast fans found a good description of a sociopath which matches Conrad Murray in every little detail:

    DSM-IV Definition

    Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths.

    Profile of the Sociopath

    This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

    http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

    • Glibness and Superficial Charm

    • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

    • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    • Incapacity for Love

    • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

  25. October 29, 2013 1:50 pm

    “I am very grateful to have something to do, instead of just complaining again at the injustice of it all. I have downloaded the letters and sent them off to Hawaii and Nevada and signed the TeamMichaelJackson’s petition in support of Michael, because as long as there is breath in my body I will be there for him, and will do whatever I can to help defend him when he can’t do so himself now.” – Caro Attwell

    Caro, I like your reaction to it. Complaining does not help and this is not the way difficulties are overcome. And by the way we knew that it would not be easy, didn’t we?

    Come on fans, this isn’t a time for apathy, helplessness or hopelessness. As Gandhi so rightly said “Be the change in the world you want to see”. Michael was and we owe it to his memory and legacy to continue that sentiment whenever and whereever we can.

    Great words of wisdom. And frankly, I don’t see reason for too much helplessness or hopelessness. Despite all odds we’ve come a long way since the time of Michael’s death. Remember what it was like when he died? Terrible hue and cry with “Jacko” all over the press. And see what it’s like now after these two relatively unsuccessful trials? Even some in the media have come to respect Michael.

    What I mean is that the real outcome of the events may be totally different from their formal result. Formally they may have won but in reality it might be one of their worst crashes.

  26. October 29, 2013 1:05 pm

    P.S. AEG tried very hard to portray MJ as a drug addict dependent on narcotics (Demerol). However the evidence was against them as in the past years of his life Michael was clean.

    So in these circumstances they decided to paint him as a propofol addict and to be able to prove that propofol is able to form a dependency they even hired a scientist who for their money conducted a research.

    As far as I remember it was Dr. Early. He did claim that propofol is addictive and forming a dependecy, but in the same testimony he himself refuted his own statement – propofol does not have withdrawal symptoms and you “just stop it” without any effect on the way the body system functions. There is no need to wean off propofol, no need to replace it with anything, no need to cope with withdrawal symptoms (because there are none) – you just stop it and that’s it.

    Those who have a dependency on caffeine or tobacco will tell you that with substances really forming a dependency “just stopping them” seldom works.

  27. October 29, 2013 12:02 pm

    “This is so messed up..I believe he deserves to sit there and rot for causing Michael’s friends,family and fans so much pain..” – Christy
    “Conrad’s release is a total and complete mockery to the criminal justice system as MJ died from his own actions as a drug-addict.” – JanCorey

    Of course he deserves to be in prison and his release is a complete mockery. And AEG deserves to answer for what they did too. And the public deserves to know the truth and finally see what’s what. And Michael deserves to be cleared of allegations that he was a ‘drug-addict’ because he wasn’t.

    Now that I finally forced myself to carefully read some of Conrad Murray’s revelations surprisingly many pieces of the puzzle have begun to fit into their places. The truth may not be as spectacular as we expected it but it is still tragic because Michael was the innocent victim of all these people.

    Here is a very rough outline of it the way I see it at the moment (which is my most favorable of all possible scenarios for AEG).

    Murray often speaks of the ‘production team’ (Ortega, AEG officials, etc.) telling him what they thought of Michael. They thought that he was an addict and they spread these ideas all over the production company. However it absolutely does not mean that he was one and this is where the real tragedy is.

    All of them were finding fault with Klein. They were simply mad about Michael’s visits to Klein. They said to Murray that those visits were 3 times a week (which was true for May only) and considered it the root of all evil. This was repeated by the staff, by all ‘insiders’ and by all the media whom those insiders confided in. This way even prior to the tour a myth about MJ’s addiction was created and was spread all over the media as undisputed fact.

    The fact that Michael was indeed seen under the effect of painkillers after his legitimate cosmetic procedures at that time supported the myth. But at a certain moment the procedures were over while the myth was vigorously kept up and turned into a fixed idea with AEG.

    By the amount of TMZ and other publications about MJ’s “addiction” connected with Klein we can judge the power of AEG over the press. What they say so will the press repeat. Prior to and after Michael’s death Klein was chosen as the main culprit who was to get all the media beating in the press. All other things were just a pretext.

    During the rehearsals AEG was preparing the public in full seriousness for a flop their concerts might turn out to be and the media talk about Michael’s “addiction” was one of the means. The tour was not ready and the producer was largely to blame for it, but they were determined to shift all the blame to Michael, especially since they very much believed in the addiction myth they themselves created.

    So from their point of view they did everything correctly in respect of Michael’s health – they cut his ties with all his friends, relatives, doctors and the children’s nanny who were discarded as his “enablers”. It was top important for them to have their own doctor for Michael, of whom they could be sure in terms of “No-to-drugs”, who would report on MJ and all his “misbehavior”. AEG thought that once narcotics are out all the rest will take care of itself.

    Only there were no narcotics and this was their biggest mistake. We can imagine what an insult it must have been to Michael if he realized the essence of their attitude to him.

    The kind of a doctor AEG needed could not be an independent one – he had to be employed by AEG as he was fulfilling their specific instructions. And since Murray was their tame doctor they forgave him Michael’s deterioration of health and the doctor’s obvious lapses – that he was not around Michael on June 19 and did not react to the emergency, did nothing with Michael’s quick loss of weight, etc.

    Randy Phillips could even sympathize with Conrad Murray in their private conversations for the hard task he was facing – the doctor is doing his best but this beastly MJ is still “doing something” to himself as Frank Dileo put it. It never occurred to arrogant Phillips that Michael was not abusing drugs.

    All along they thought him to be an junkie addicted to Demerol. It started with Gongaware who saw MJ’s dependency in 1993 and their misconceptions about Michael continued all the way down to 2009. Hence their disdainful attitude towards him, the “freak” treatment, the slap and all the rest of it.

    Of course they knew that he had a sleep problem, but didn’t give a damn. Most probably they thought that it was the result of his “drug addiction” and all of it was due to his “enablers”. People like Randy Phillips adhere to simple solutions in life and think that they know better than anyone else, so his way of treating Michael of insomnia was getting rid of “enablers” and that was it. All the rest of it could go to hell.

    If really AEG did not know of propofol I can imagine they could indeed have a very big shock when they learned that:

    1) there were no narcotics found in MJ’s system, though they thought there would be a ton of them
    2) that Michael died of propofol taken for insomnia which was the basis of Michael’s ill condition. Insomnia is something AEG heavily contributed to themselves as they placed Michael into a non-stop stress situation, and at that point they must have realized it.
    3) the doctor who was their most trusted agent was the actual reason for Michael’s death.

    They themselves know of their guilt even if they don’t admit it. They made a big mistake in lowering Michael to a level of an ordinary junkie who needed a “straightjacket”. But he never was. Not only wasn’t he a junkie, but he wasn’t even dependent on narcotics.

    And from their initial terrible mistake about MJ all their other wrong decisions stemmed. They did not allow Murray or any other doctor to really look into Michael’s health problems, because they decided that they knew better. All others were just “hysterical” and it takes right guys like them to put everything into order. Handle him with a steel hand, play tough love on him and everything will be fine.

    However everything was not fine and Michael died due to their extreme negligence and indifference to his life, and their terrible misconceptions about him.

    And over here comes the second part of this saga. Accepting their guilt is not AEG’s style. So what solution did they think of? A very easy one. Even if Michael was not an addict they will turn him into one.

    Hence all those doctors who paraded the AEG trial with their testimonies about what they gave to Michael during their legitimate medical procedures and all of it boosted out of all proportion. Michael simply had a tremendous amount of health problems totally untypical for an ordinary person, therefore the amount of procedures was much bigger than the average person has.

    All of it has nothing to do with real drug addiction when people start it by themselves and as a result are totally out of control of their life.

    Michael had two such periods all in all amounting to no more than 5 years in his 50 year long life – in 1993 when he was plunged into a Demerol addiction by a horde of irresponsible doctors who made experiments on his head, and in 1999-2003 he had a serious back injury also requiring painkillers, after which he relapsed to the condition similar to the one he had in 1993.

    But both times he got over his problem. The second time it was a much more difficult task but he nevertheless overcame it again. And for 6 years after that he was clean, even despite the 2005 trial.

    However no one on the AEG side could even believe that anything like that was possible. They painted Michael an addict both to themselves and to everyone around, including the media. They never believed that he could be ill with something else. They denied him help themselves and separated him from anyone who was ready to give it. And when he died they poured a ton of dirt on his grave, because in order to exonerate themselves they needed him to be an addict.

    This is not only a slow killing of a human being through denying him help when he needed it most, but it is also the worst possible character assassination of an innocent man after he dies.

    In my eyes AEG is as guilty of a crime against Michael Jackson as Conrad Murray is. And in some way probably even more.

  28. aemaleski permalink
    October 29, 2013 11:33 am

    What more can I add to what has already been said. I totally agree that both AEG and Conrad Murray need to go back to Appellate court. Both cases need to be appealed and re-judged and a new verdict as well needs to be rendered. What is done is unjustifiable and these people need to reassess the whole situation at hand. My concern and heart goes out to Michael’s family. Mainly his children and his mother. I hope and pray that the rest of the Jackson family will unite along with Michael’s fans and stand firm and together and have this whole case be revoked. If it means being re-tried, so be it.What has happened is unjustifiable. And something needs to be done. Right here right now. We need to have a United Front and tell whoever we can tell that injustice has occurred. And that it needs to be resolved.

  29. Caro Attwell permalink
    October 29, 2013 8:08 am

    Hi Helena thanks once again for this post and all your hard work – especially as it is still probably one handed.

    I am very grateful to have something to do, instead of just complaining again at the injustice of it all. I have downloaded the letters and sent them off to Hawaii and Nevada and signed the TeamMichaelJackson’s petition in support of Michael, because as long as there is breath in my body I will be there for him, and will do whatever I can to help defend him when he can’t do so himself now.

    Come on fans, this isn’t a time for apathy, helplessness or hopelessness. As Gandhi so rightly said “Be the change in the world you want to see”. Michael was and we owe it to his memory and legacy to continue that sentiment whenever and whereever we can.

  30. October 29, 2013 7:31 am

    No shock, Helena, I had similar thoughts about Murray for his post-jail time. I thought, well, let him talk after his release, he will make it only worse for himself. Every time he talked in an interview or on a released audio tape he made a fool of himself. Remember the song he sang on CNN?
    His documentary after the trial also didn’t help him because he exposed himself to ridicule. He didn’t come across as a credible person in public. The way he talks and his arrogant behavior doesn’t make him friends. And his stupid lawyer Valerie Wass contributes to that.
    So I am not very worried about his influence on public opinion.
    Of course I don’t want him to earn money on Michael’s back or publish a book that would land in the hands of people unchallenged, but I don’t think he will be taken serious as a source for truthful information. If he would be grilled by good journalists, ok, that might bring some revelations about his behavior, truthfulness and answers when taken by surprise. But all in all I’m convinced this guy cannot get back to his comfortable life with 3 girl-friends at hand and strip clup visits he had before he killed the most famous person on earth. He will have to struggle for the rest of his life with what he did.

  31. Mariam permalink
    October 28, 2013 10:33 pm

    I believe God will give fair and appropriate justice for MJ and his family one day. Someone who killed a HUMAN BEING got less jail sentence than the robbery? It is really silly joke. Very sad the fact that MJ’s killer after only 2 years got out there and celebrate with his family right now and here we are still with our wound which is still fresh and painful and wondering that when and where MJ will get justice? We are here disbelieve and shocked that AEG and Murrey got away from this crime.

    I absolutely believe that Murrey get away from this crime/murdering MJ, it seems like 2 days not 2 years jail for me.

    After AEG trial, I more believed now that Murrey intentionally left MJ to die or he murdered him. The case should be murder case not manslaughter case.

    He is a doctor, he knew propofol is a dangers medicine but he gave him not once or twice or three days but he gave him 3 months street. Not only that, he still gave him even though MJ was in very bad shape. Everybody was seeing MJ was dying but not his DR who was with him every day? No, he just let him die. Not only that, he didn’t give him proper CPR, why? Isn’t he cardiologist? No, he just let him die.

    What was the purpose of RF coming MJ’s house and what was all that conversation about between RF and CM that night June 24th/2009 while MJ and everybody was rehearsing at Staple Center? Why RF and the other guy where at MJ’s house that night the night before MJ died? Still bother my mind.

    The big indication to make me think the fact that CM intentionally left MJ to die or want him to die is “the delay for 911 call”. The whole circumstance that day and before indicates that it was intentional even it seems coordinated murder crime when I see it now after the AEG trial.

    But one thing is clear and certain that MJ is not getting hurt and abused anymore. I am glad all this unjust and unfairness is not hurting MJ right now. He is in peace and in full of joy with God forever, thank God for that. Knowing that gives me a peace of mind. I really like the place (heaven) where MJ is right now. Rest in peace dear MJ.

  32. Christy permalink
    October 28, 2013 9:52 pm

    This is so messed up..I believe he deserves to sit there and rot for causing Michael’s friends,family and fans so much pain..but I do believe he will eventually get his just desserts as God doesn’t sleep. I feel the same for all of those responsible for destroying Michael.

  33. JanCorey permalink
    October 28, 2013 7:18 pm

    Conrad’s release is a total and complete mockery to the criminal justice system as MJ died from his own actions as a drug-addict.

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