Conrad Murray’s CNN Interview on the Fifth Anniversary of Michael Jackson’s Death
As you know on June 25th 2014, the fifth anniversary of Michael Jackson’s death, Don Lemon, a CNN anchor invited Conrad Murray, the doctor convicted for MJ’s manslaughter, for a friendly talk.
Below is the CNN transcript of their conversation with some of my comments. Murray promised to speak candidly and honestly, so see what has come of it and what else Conrad Murray is now up to. This will be the first part of the post as there is a lot to say about new Murray’s tricks.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN TONIGHT. I’m Don Lemon.
It’s hard to believe that it was five years ago that Michael Jackson died. His doctor, Conrad Murray, found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, spending two years behind bars, but that is not the end of the story.
Tonight, you’re going to hear from Dr. Conrad Murray. There he is, live right here. It is his first and only American interview since his release from prison, and he says he wants to set the record straight once and for all.
Doctor, many people were wondering why we should even give you a platform on the anniversary of Michael Jackson’s death, like Jo, who wrote on Twitter: “Why has Michael’s killer given airtime?” That’s what she said. “Show some respect on our legend’s anniversary.”
I believe, if we played by those rules, we would never do an interview. And I believe in transparency and having as much information as possible. Dr. Murray agreed to do this interview knowing that no question is off limits, and he has promised to answer each of them candidly and honestly. Correct?
CONRAD MURRAY, FORMER PERSONAL PHYSICIAN OF MICHAEL JACKSON: That’s correct.
LEMON: Before we get started, I want to go back to the trial that sent you, Dr. Murray, to prison for your role in Michael Jackson’s death. Here is CNN’s Sara Sidner.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant, Conrad Robert Murray, guilty.
SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Conrad Murray spent two years in prison, convicted of involuntary manslaughter for providing the king of pop an overdose of the powerful anesthetic Propofol. It was supposed to help Michael Jackson sleep. Instead, it killed him. His family and fans were devastated.
Back in 2009, as Michael Jackson rehearsed for his upcoming This Is It world tour, he struggled with his pain and trouble sleeping. Dr. Murray was his personal physician. A month-and-a-half before Jackson died in his bedroom, the star’s voice was recorded on Murray’s cell phone. It was entered into court evidence.
MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: I want them to say he’s the greatest entertainer in the world.
SIDNER: Prosecutors made the case that the drug-induced slurred speech was a clear sign that Jackson was out of control, and Dr. Murray should have known that he needed to be weaned off Propofol. Instead, prosecutors say the doctor ordered more. But Murray has maintained he was trying to wean the star off the drug, and it was Jackson who self-administered the fatal dose. But a jury blamed Dr. Murray for Jackson’s death, saying he was responsible. Dr. Murray went to prison, his medical license revoked in Texas and suspended in California and Nevada. Eight months ago, his time served, he walked out of prison.
MURRAY: This is part of the untold story.
SIDNER: Murray is vowing to get his medical license back. He has even published his own video to reassert his claim that he was wrongfully convicted. His attorney says he may appeal his case all the way to the Supreme Court.
VALERIE WASS, ATTORNEY FOR MURRAY: He has been adamant about his innocence. And after spending two years on the case, I truly believe in him. And I believe he was wrongfully convicted also.
SIDNER: Sara Sidner, CNN, Los Angeles. (END VIDEOTAPE)
As regards Conrad Murray’s video he indeed recently posted on the Internet two videos three hours long. The bad point about them is that all of it is a pseudo science based on a careful selection of data convenient to Murray and ignoring everything else not fitting his tale, and the good point about his speech is that it is so boring that hardly anyone will be able to make it past the first five minutes.
As to the recording made by Murray when Michael was falling asleep and reproduced in this interview, as usual it is not the full tape. That recording is very rarely played in full and as a result the public does not know what Michael Jackson said there except that he was the greatest entertainer in the world.
And he was saying that it hurt him to see sick children and that they are ill because of their depression. His hospital for children will have a movie-theatre and a game room, and it is God who wants him to do it. And he has no more hope in this generation of people because of their psychological degradation. So it will probably be the next generation that will save the planet. This is why he wrote those songs – “Heal the world”, “The Lost Children” and many others. He wrote them because he really hurt. And this is how he will be really remembered.
The tape is a really amazing opportunity to look into the deepest corners of Michael Jackson’s subconscious mind. When people are in a half-conscious state like that they cannot pretend and unwittingly reveal thoughts buried deepest in their souls. And we are so used to people saying one thing and thinking another that find it totally incredible to discover that Michael Jackson was really thinking what he always said in public – in his interviews and songs.
Yes, he really meant what he said in “Heal the World”, “The lost children” and all the rest of his songs, and this becomes clear from the remaning part of the tape which Don Lemon did not have the decency to reproduce in full:
Jackson: I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room. Children are depressed. The –in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
Murray: I know you would.
Jackson: Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save out planet, starting with-we’ll talk about it. United States, Europe, Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave- a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me- please take me with you.
Jackson: I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them, because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. “Heal the World,” “We are the World,” “Will You be There,” “The Lost Children.” These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
Murray: You okay?
Jackson: I am asleep.
When Jane Velez-Mitchell heard the tape for the first time she couldn’t help exclaiming that they must have been wrong about Jackson all along. A very true spontaneous reaction and a correct conclusion too!
However let us continue with Murray’s interview.
HIS FAIRY TALE
LEMON: So, joining me now exclusively to tell his side of the story is Dr. Conrad Murray. When I said what the person said in that tweet, murderer, you flinched. Why?
MURRAY: Well, I’m not.
LEMON: Not. Not. So that bothers you. Before we get to the video, right, that talks about – Dr. Conrad Murray talks, it’s 7:00 p.m. on the West Coast, 10:00 on the East Coast. Five years ago, what were you doing at this very moment?
MURRAY: Oh, my gosh. At this time, it was just monumental grief, an unexpected, surreal situation. I cannot believe the changes that happened within a couple of hours. It was just impossible. It was just unfathomable. I could not believe that, just hours ago, I was trying to muster all the strength I can to save the life of a friend and a patient, and here I am, on to the spotlight, all focus, fingers pointing as though I’m the one to blame.
LEMON: Were you still at the hospital? Because I know you went to the ambulance with him. Right?
MURRAY: I stayed in the hospital until near 6:00, maybe after 5:30. I was…
LEMON: Pacific time?
LEMON: Right. So at this time, were you back at his mansion? Where were you?
MURRAY: At this time, I would probably be at home. I got home to the apartment.
LEMON: Yes. Let’s – I want to – what do you remember about that day? Because I have done several documentaries, and I start them by saying, on the morning, he did everything that he – you know, preparing for a show, that he loved, preparing for a show. What do you remember about that day?
MURRAY: Well, you know, what time of day? You talk about the time he came home, which is the night before, around 1:00, just shortly after 1:00. And he just was not able to sleep.
LEMON: OK. Here is the timeline, just to refresh your memory. So, 1:00 a.m., Murray summoned to Jackson’s home, right, 1:30 a.m., 10 milligram tablet of Valium, 2:00 a.m., two milligrams of lorazepam.
Lorazepam injected into him; 3:00 a.m., two milligrams of midazolam, right? And then, 5:00 a.m., more lorazepam, two milligrams. And then again, 7:30, two milligrams again of midazolam, and then Propofol diluted, 25 milligrams.
MURRAY: So you can just summarize. Let’s make it simple. There were four milligrams of lorazepam given to him during that – all of the time you spoke about and four milligrams of midazolam. They were just in divided doses.
LEMON: So,why – were you ever worried about administering so many drugs to Michael Jackson? Did you ever think like, you know, this person could die, but I’m giving him so many drugs?
MURRAY: But, certainly, I do not think Michael Jackson would die from four milligrams of lorazepam or four milligrams of midazolam. We do that all the time in the hospital. But, certainly, I was divided and I was very cautious as far as giving Michael Jackson that type of medication to sleep. As you know, before that time, Michael Jackson was on Propofol. And I had weaned him successfully off of Propofol up to three days prior to his death. He never received Propofol
LEMON: But not successfully then, if you had – you said you had weaned him off.
LEMON: But then why did he go back on?
MURRAY: He did not go back on. Before that, I would treat Michael Jackson with an infusion. It was continuous. But the day he died, I did tell the police that I relented after all of the pressure and all of the changes that Michael was going through.
Don Lemon faithfully repeats every word of Murray’s story as if it were the bible, but fails to ask two simple questions which would destroy Murray’s theory of “relenting” to MJ and giving him “only 25mg” of propofol that night once and forever. Here are these two simple questions:
1) If there was no infusion that night and Murray administered only 25mg of propofol as he said he did, how come there was so much propofol in MJ’s bladder and in the quantity equivalent to general anesthesia (2000mg) which is a fact recorded even in the autopsy report?
2) And why did the urine in the jug by MJ’s bedside also contain propofol?
The jug was filled by MJ at 7 o’clock in the morning as Murray said in his police interview, and you don’t have to be an Einstein to realize that in order to leave traces of propofol in your urine at 7am you should have received it for several hours before that.
And to be able to collect more propofol in the bladder several hours after 7am you should have had propofol afterwards too.
Judging by the amount of urine collected that night and the quantity of propofol found in it Michael Jackson received a huge amount of propofol and on a continuous basis too, both before and after 7 in the morning. This fact is undisputable and Murray can’t do anything about it, even if he delivers a hundred of his lectures.
This turns the rest of Murray’s explanations into simple science fiction, into a sort of parallel reality created by authors with talent and vivid imagination – like the world where Harry Porter and friends study in the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft or where the Avatar characters live on the Pandora planet and fly their tamed dragons.
It’s high time people like Don Lemon realized that Conrad Murray’s story is a fairy tale and it is only after accepting it as an axiom (“a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy”) that any further listening to Murray is possible at all. Any other approach to Murray’s tales would be simply a waste of time.
So if you like the fantasy genre and want to assess Murray’s talent at it, we can proceed with his interview then.
“I HAD NO IDEA OF DEMEROL”
MURRAY: But the day he died, I did tell the police that I relented after all of the pressure and all of the changes that Michael was going through. Unbeknownst to me, it was because he was in withdrawal of another substance.
LEMON: Which was?
LEMON: Demerol, which was brought about – which your lawyers asserted in trial that he was on Demerol.
MURRAY: Well, he was on Demerol for years and decades. And if you see the doses that were given, if you look back into the video, as I describe, from Dr. Arnold Klein, he made Michael Jackson a drug addict from Demerol.
LEMON: What were the changes? You said because the changes his body was going through.
MURRAY: It was just like Michael was a hamster, could not sit down, could not rest, was restless. And he cried and craved sleep.
LEMON: You said that actually in trial. (Note: Murray never said anything in trial. He refused to testify). Let’s listen to when you said he was like on a hamster wheel. In the video, you said it, in the video that you have out. Dr. Conrad Murray talks. Let’s watch this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MURRAY: So in Michael’s case, what he needed that night was not Demerol. It was not Propofol, excuse me. He needed to have Demerol. But since his supply chain was cut from Beverly Hills, he was on his own. And he had never shared that with me. So I had no idea why it was so impossible to see Michael like a hamster that night, couldn’t sit down, couldn’t – restless, looked as though he was out of the movie “Thriller.”
And I could not imagine that he was doing something like this. Had I had any knowledge, his treatment would have been different. He would have been taken to a hospital for acute withdrawal from opioids, and he would have been treated accordingly. (END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: The video that is posted on your Web site, that you go through all the evidence in the trial and you knock it down. You refute what you think is wrong about the trial. You said you didn’t know that about him. Shouldn’t you have known, though, as his physician?
MURRAY: If I made any inquiries of Michael as far as drug use and he never give the information up, then how would I get it?
MURRAY: I mean, I would have to depend on my patient to tell me the truth. And I never got any information from Michael.
Indeed, how could the poor doctor know about Demerol except that everyone around him was talking about it and he had every chance to take a sample of the patient’s urine and blood at any moment he liked? Especially if Frank Dileo directly asked him to take MJ’s blood sample to see “what he was doing”?
At Murray’s trial District Attorney Walgren asked the defense addiction expert Dr. Waldman how he would find out about Demerol. Dr. Waldman said that urine and blood tests were common practice:
Q. You may order urine testing to confirm what drugs are being used, correct?
A. I generally do comprehensive laboratory and urine evaluation.
Q. And this is a kind of a standard of care if you want to be confident when treating someone for addiction issues, is that right? It is to get laboratory work to confirm in that initial meeting?
A. I ask the patient, that’s the best answer.
Q. But you get urine results. Do you not believe them?
A. I do routine urine analysis. If I feel the need to do drug testing I do it, but again…
Q. When do you feel the need to do testing for drugs?
A. As part of my comprehensive evaluation I do routine laboratory testing. If I have reason to believe that the patient is being disingenuous then I speak to family, friends, other physicians of the patient gives me permission and if I feel the need I will drug test. I do not drug test everybody. When I treat patients in primary testing facilities, they are urine tested on entry.
Q. So you have that information right upfront?
A. In a few days.
Q. And otherwise, if it is outpatient and you feel the need you pursue urine testing for drugs?
Considering that Murray did not have to even ask for Michael’s permission and could simply take a test of urine from MJ’s jug, there was no problem at all to learn what drug was given by Klein and in what quantities too. So the performance Murray now presents as an honest interview is actually a cheap and vulgar drama: “I could not imagine that he was doing something like this. Had I had any knowledge…”
Murray couldn’t imagine it, poor thing. Actually that Demerol was the talk of the whole town, and the wrong one at that. Leonard Rowe working for Joe Jackson said that he “personally” informed Randy Phillips that Michael was taking drugs (not that he knew anything about it, but that’s another story).
Randy Phillips admitted that Arnold Klein was “scaring them to death”. Frank Dileo was asking Murray to make a blood test of MJ to see “what he was doing”. “Intervention” meetings were arranged for Michael three or four times in June alone. Even Karen Faye was sure that Michael had a problem with Demerol and John Branca was offering a good doctor who could handle this problem effectively.
In short whether true or not (it was not) the matter of narcotics was taken as a given and was not even disputed, so pretending now that all of it was “unbeknownst” to the poor doctor is kids’ talk and an insult to common sense.
Murray evidently forgot that Michael died of Propofol and shifts all the blame to Demerol now, claiming that Michael was a Demerol addict suffering from a withdrawal and this is why he couldn’t fall asleep on the night of June 24/25th.
To check up this statement we need to answer a question – if someone indeed develops a dependency on Demerol within what time from the last intake of this drug will the withdrawal start?
The answer to it is eight to ten hours. Or one day at the most. However since the last time Michael visited Klein’s office on June 22 by the night of June 25 full three days had passed.
And prior to that night Michael was definitely not suffering from any withdrawal symptoms. On the contrary, it was exactly in that period of time that he made two highly successful rehearsals.
And three days after Klein’s procedures were absolutely not the limit. The breaks between Michael’s visits to Klein’s office in June 2009 were seven, nine and even ten days. And the peak dosages received by Michael were at the end of April only when Klein injected Botox into his armpits and groin. And beginning with May 2009 Demerol was steadily on a decrease, so that on June 22nd the dose administered by Klein was the smallest one.
And with real drug-addicts or people dependent on drugs all these processes should be the opposite ones. As their tolerance builds up their bodies require the drug to be constantly on the rise to be able to produce the same effect as before. However with Michael the dosages were steadily less and less, and with bigger intervals between them too.
And it is not only me who is saying all these things. It is Murray’s defense expert witness Dr. Waldman again who testified to these indisputable facts. This is what he had to admit at Murray’s trial:
DA Walgren: From June 3rd to June 10th how many days elapsed before the next injection?
A. From June 3rd to June 9th that was six days.
Q. Six days. And then from June 9th to June 16th how many days elapsed?
A. One week.
Q. And then from June 16th to June 22nd how many days elapsed?
Q. Mr. Chernoff asked you about the last Demerol injection being June 22nd, what period of time from that last injection (if Michael Jackson was addicted) would you expect to see the withdrawal symptoms?
Dr. Waldman:If Michael Jackson got Demerol – did you say on June 22nd?
Q. June 22nd.
A. Demerol has a short half-life. Three, four, six. Maybe, maybe eight hours. The metabolite accumulates, so that might have some effect as well. So I would expect that eight to ten hours after a Demerol dose he would probably not feel well.
Q. So you would expect to see withdrawal symptoms of some sort between eight to ten hours?
A. Possibly. And you are asking specifically about that date?
Q. Well, just disregard the date. I was just asking because it was the last date reflected in the records. Pick whatever date you want, whatever month you want. I’m asking you, when the Demerol injections stop, whatever day, when would you expect to see withdrawal symptoms?
A. Within a day.
Q. Would you diagnose Michael Jackson as addicted to Demerol based strictly on these documents?
A. I would diagnose him as physically dependent and because the initial doses were high, for somebody who may or may not have been opioid naïve, it raises the specter and question of prior opioid use.
Q. Let me try again, Dr. Waldman. Would you diagnose Michael Jackson as addicted to Demerol based strictly on these documents in my hand? Yes or no?
A. Probably not.
The above was a forced admission from the best Murray’s expert that if all that nasty gossip about Michael’s addiction spread by the media and his so-called friends was disregarded and the conclusion was to be made solely on the basis of documents (Klein’s medical records and invoice) he wouldn’t be able to call Michael an addict.
Indeed, Michael never asked for Demerol and it was the drug solely of Klein’s choice, and it was administered for a medical reason – to dull the pain from highly sensitive injections of Botox made by Klein under Michael eyes, armpits and in his groin.
And since we’ve started talking about it let me make my small admission too.
THE EMBARRASSING ISSUE
I have to admit that in this post which analyzed each and every injection given by Klein in the period of March-June 2009 I didn’t disclose one fact which I had learned about Botox.
It was a purely medical issue and I didn’t want to embarrass anyone, however since Conrad Murray has taken to repeatedly talking about it I think people should know of one more possible use of Botox and the reason why it could be administered to Michael, irrespective of whether Murray’s tale is true or not.
Botox fights not only perspiration. Botox is also an effective remedy against incontinence issues which our good old doctor Conrad Murray so readily mentions about his patient again and again.
Urinary incontinence — the loss of bladder control — is a common and often embarrassing problem. The severity of urinary incontinence ranges from occasionally leaking urine when you cough or sneeze to having an urge to urinate that’s so sudden and strong you don’t get to a toilet in time.
Initially the use of Botox for this purpose was off-label, but later it was approved by medical FDA authorities as a regular method for treating incontinence of males and females. The method involves making injections right into the bladder which must be so painful that the procedure sometimes requires general anesthesia.
Besides being a painful kind of treatment it also has a complication – after the injections the patients may face the opposite problem and experience difficulties with urinating and will sometimes need a catheter to relieve themselves.
Incidentally our great doctor Conrad Murray likes chatting about MJ having a difficulty to urinate too.
He speaks about it at almost every forum as if it were a dinner-table small talk. With doctors like these besides never having a moment of privacy in his lifetime Michael will be stripped of its last shreds in his death too.
This article says that a leaky bladder may be a consequence of an injury to the spinal cord and describes the process of its treatment by Botox:
Aug. 24, 2011 — Botox can now be used to treat a leaky bladder due to conditions such as multiple sclerosis and spinal cord injury, the FDA says.
Nerve damage from these and other conditions can make it difficult for patients to retain urine. Patients often need medications to relax the bladder, as well as catheters to empty the bladder.
Botox treatment involves injection of the drug into the bladder during cystoscopy. Cystoscopy is a medical procedure that lets a doctor see the inside the bladder. It sometimes requires general anesthesia.
The Botox treatment for leaky bladder lasts nine months. In two clinical trials that enrolled nearly 700 patients, Botox decreased the episodes of urinary leakage per week.
Botox helps urinary incontinence by relaxing the bladder, thus allowing it to store more urine.
The most common side effects of the Botox treatment were urinary tract infections and inability to urinate. Patients who retain urine may have to insert a catheter in order to empty their bladders.
In addition to its cosmetic uses, Botox is FDA approved for treating chronic migraines, various kinds of muscle stiffness and contraction, severe underarm sweating, eyelid twitching, and improper alignment of the eyes.
Let us agree that every cloud has a silver lining. Despite looking embarrassing at first sight, if Murray’s story about MJ’s incontinence issues is true it may turn out very helpful for understanding why Demerol was used by Klein in so big dosages in the middle of April 2009.
In fact, these dosages perfectly coincide with the injections of Botox into Michael’s armpits (April 17th) and groin (April 21st).
Below is the chart of Michael’s visits to Klein’s office showing that the biggest amounts of Demerol were administered to Michael right after the Botox injections into those two most sensitive areas of his body.
The chart was made on the basis of Klein’s medical records and invoice, and both of them stated that the biggest dosage of Demerol was given to Michael the next day after the injections were made into his groin (April 21st).
In addition to all that Botox is actually a toxin which creates a whole series of grave complications ranging from flu-like symptoms and migraine to muscle aches and severe back pain. So not only did those Botox injections in the armpits and groin surely hurt during the procedures, but Michael must have been in much pain after them too.
And it is absolutely no accident that after those injections in the middle of April Michael was so over-sensitive to pain that on two visits following it he had to be given the highest doses of Demerol in the whole period of his treatment.
Another proof that the complications from those Botox injections were really severe is provided by Michael’s autopsy report. One of its pages states that a week after the injections, on June 25th Klein prescribed Michael Prednisone, a drug used for cooling the after-effects of Botox. The drug was to be taken in the enormous dosage of “6 tablets now and 4 tomorrow” thus speaking to the enormity of the problem.
See this page from the autopsy report:
When the April 17-25 crisis was over Michael’s visits to Klein continued, but not that often and with the amount of Demerol usage gradually decreasing. On May 6 the dose of the painkiller was cut in half and a couple of visits later it became a quarter of it.
Now that we know the possible reason why Klein injected Botox into MJ’s groin you will agree that it is an inexcusable crime to call Michael a “junkie” as the media and public (and some Jackson family “friends”) did.
For Michael it was a purely medical condition and it had nothing to do with recreative use of narcotics which Michael was heavily suspected of by those who didn’t know a thing about him and didn’t believe a single word Michael was saying.
Strange as it might seem, but considering the decreasing dynamics of Demerol administration it is even unlikely that Michael developed a dependency on it. The word itself suggests that a person is dependent on the drug and with every new day needs a bigger intake of it - however by the end of Klein’s treatment the visits had bigger spans between them, the procedures were done under minimal sedation and at least one of the visits to Klein went without any sedation at all.
I hope you understand now why all that ignorant talk about the need of “interventions” for MJ made me furious. I do agree that in April 2009 Michael was given huge doses of a painkiller, but he had a good reason for it and any interventions were useless anyway as the need for treating his medical condition was still there.
Botox still had to be injected in the most sensitive parts of his body and without a painkiller it would have been a singular torture.
“I DIDN’T LEAVE HIM. HE LEFT ME”
In the meantime Murray goes on with his interview and his ridiculous story. You won’t believe it but now he claims that it wasn’t him who left Michael the night he died, but it was Michael who left him.
LEMON: My question is, if you say that he was like a hamster up and down, why would you leave him alone for any amount of time?
MURRAY: It was not that I was leaving Michael alone. So many times, Michael left me alone.
LEMON: But on that night, you did?
MURRAY: Well, no, I never left him during that night. He left me.
I am – there are two suites, an exclusive bedroom, where I am not allowed. His children sometimes were invited. And the suite where I treated Michael, he was clearly able to wander off. He has a saline bag with a drip on wheels. There was a Foley catheter that’s attached to him, because he had some incontinence issues. And – but he would wander off and come back.
LEMON: So you’re – what you’re asserting is that, on that evening, with all of those drugs, that he left where you were watching him and then went to another part of the bedroom? But in trial, you said that you left to use the restroom, and you left. You were on – taking a phone call.
MURRAY: That wasn’t until the next day.
LEMON: Your attorney said that. The next day.
MURRAY: That was still the next day, after around 11:20 in the morning, 11:20, 11:30.
LEMON: When did you realize he was in trouble?
MURRAY: Was what?
LEMON: When did you realize he was in trouble?
MURRAY: When I came back into the room after I had gone away, called my office, made some calls.
The further we go the more entangled in his lies Murray is. He has just said that he never left Michael that night (“it was Michael who left him”), and a minute later he says the opposite – he returned to Michael’s room after being away and making some calls (lasting for no less than 45 minutes by the way). Some people would be ashamed of being that inconsistent, but not Conrad Murray.
Now he is claiming in full earnest that Michael left the room rolling behind him an IV stand with a saline bag on it and carrying a Foley catheter (and urine bag?) attached to him.
We are supposed to believe that in a state like that Michael went out of his bedroom, crossed the foyer, went to the landing (where his children could see him), opened the door to his other bedroom and some time later returned via the same route – and all this time with an IV stand in his hand and a catheter attached to him?
The real reason why Murray is telling this ridiculous story is because at the trial his defense team came up with a hypothesis that Michael took that huge dose of Propofol himself.
Since the tubing was fixed to a place below his knee where he couldn’t reach it the defense suggested that to be able to stand up and get extra propofol Michael didn’t disengage the tubing and simply rolled the IV stand behind him. This way he allegedly got out of his bed, went outside to pick a bottle there, returned, cut the empty saline bag and put the bottle in it, pierced the bottle with a spike, connected it to his IV stand, adjusted the drip and then lay back on the bed and died.
All this was supposed to be done in Murray’s absence of course, which naturally clashes with Murray’s story that he never left Michael’s bedside – at least not until 11:20am on June 25 (which in Murray’s terminology is called “the next day” for some reason).
If there is anyone here whose wild fantasy suggests that Michael could have indeed rolled that IV stand, picked up more propofol and administered it himself, these people should be reminded of the basic facts of the case – Michael’s fingerprints were NOT found on the saline bag, NOT found on the propofol bottle and NOT found on any syringes in the room.
And judging by the amount of propofol in his body Michael died not of one but of two propofol bottles 100ml each. So if he survived the first time he should have gone through that procedure twice.
And after all that this great theory should be also somehow adjusted to Murray’s story that he never left Michael’s bedside until 11:20 in the morning.
In short it is high time we stopped even discussing all this Murray’s craziness.
Michael didn’t die of Demerol – he died of a lethal amount of Propofol which he couldn’t self-administer even physically. So it must have been someone else who administered it to him.
And if Conrad Murray says that it wasn’t him let him please name the person who did it. Because if Murray is adamant that it was none of his doing, the only other option is that he is covering up for the real criminal.
So let him finally decide who it was – him or his accomplice – and let us end this ridiculous comedy at last.