HELENA’s page
October 13, 2010
Guys, there are some issues which are considered by many as not related to Michael Jackson’s vindication but which are nevertheless raised again and again here (even despite my will) – so I’m making a separate page for myself where anyone who disagrees with my approach to some matters can challenge me directly with no damage to the rest of the blog.
The problem which caused much controversy was my mentioning homosexuality in connection with pedophilia. It seems that both my correspondent and I did not quite understand what we were talking about, so I am placing our correspondence with him in this page for everyone to see what it’s all about.
The reader’s letter is actually very good so I hope he doesn’t mind it that I’m bringing it into the open discussion. Also you shouldn’t be surprised that these matters are raised within Michael Jackson’s vindication blog – and if you have patience to read it to the end you will probably understand what I mean.
Helena, I just read your comments about me on your blog and I feel that I need to clear up something.
I am not one of those people advocating pedophilia. I agree with much of the world that pedophilia is a serious and unnatural mental illness, not to mention a crime against humanity. I am repulsed at the idea of adults taking advantage of innocent children in that manner; they are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of development, and any such relationship would be like fire and water.
I wish to assure you that that is not what I am advocating. As an adult, I cannot fathom in any way, shape, or form how any adult could be attracted to children in that manner. I think that any organization that promotes such an agenda should be burned to the ground, and that any pedophile should be castrated.
What I am advocating for is that young people should have the right to be able to accept themselves for who they are and to be true to themselves, without being bullied and harassed, which could lead to self-hatred and eventual suicide. More and more young people are identifying who they are as pre-teens and should receive the best support and nurturing in terms of whatever orientation they are so that they can grow up to be healthy, well-adjusted adults, as I am now.
I wanted you to know that you and I are on the same exact page in terms of our views of pedophilia. As for homosexuality, that is another ball game entirely.
I should also let you know that this whole fiasco, beginning with the multiple suicides and culminating in your last e-mail to me (as well as your comments about me on your blog), has put me into a state of depression that has lasted all weekend. Luckily, I am working my way out of it now, but I want you to know how dangerous your ignorance, intolerance, and insensitivity can really be, especially to people like me on the Autism spectrum, who automatically soak everything up like a sponge and take things deeply to heart.
Dear ……..
Thank you for your letter. It is no longer an explosive “How dare you” leaflet but is a clear statement of how you think and feel about ped-lia. You deserve the same approach from me so here is what I have to say.
I am sorry that I thought your letters could be the beginning of a ped-le attack on the blog. There have been numerous attempts to undermine us and it was always done in a covert way which made me think it could be another of those cases. It was evidently a coincidence that you wrote to me exactly at the time when we returned to the problem of ped-lia.
I am happy to hear that you feel so strongly against it. It gives me hope that gays will be in the forefront of the struggle against this menace as their own good image fully depends on how they position themselves on this issue.
I think that the best way to jointly fight the so-called man-boy love is to never agree to lower the age of consent for boys and probably raise it across the world by several years independent of the country (in some countries it is age 14 which is extremely low). Such an act will imply that no matter at what age teenagers identify themselves as gays – the first signs of which may indeed appear in their adolescence – their sexual relationships should not start until they reach a certain age, and everyone should accept this restriction willingly as there is simply no other way to go about it than that.
You understand that the present attitude to a 14-year old boy as both an adult and a child depending on the country introduces very much controversy into the problem as what is legitimate in one place is a horrible crime in another – so the best way to deal with it is to raise the age limit everywhere and thus do away with at least one of the problems.
A universally accepted high age limit for gay sex may be only for the better – if gay people are ready for a serious relationship it would be no problem for them to wait another couple of years before such a relationship starts. Knowing that homosexuality is accepted as such, but is not accepted until a certain age will make a lot of things much easier for all of us – some of the hysteria around it will subside and many problems related to it will just take care of themselves.
Youngsters will be given more time to realize their sexual identity, come to terms with it or revise it if their heterosexual side takes over, their parents will be given time to learn ways to accept it if the decision is final, and global enthusiasm over starting sex at an early age (even ‘usual’ way) will be checked too. I am afraid that all the gender chaos we are going through now is because sex freely starts at an unnaturally early age, so that by the age of 15 youngsters – who have tried everything there is to try in sex - are already tired of it and want something ‘new’.
Given that sex is actually a very intimate thing the fact that we’ve allowed it to be so commonplace, so accessible, so open for comparison and mockery by young and immature minds (in case of sex failures) has become a sure way to deprive sex of all its divinity – yes, divinity.
The almost 4000 year old ethical system of Zoroastrianism I adhere to says that sex is a divine act. I actually feel it in an absolutely natural way without anyone telling me, that is why the Zoroastrian ethics stuck to me so easily when I happened to study it. And easily fused with my Christianity too (my nationality has nothing to do with it as I am a very rare bird even among my own people).
From the ‘old-fashioned’ way Michael Jackson behaved I have reasons to believe that he, as a true believer in God, also felt that sex is divine and that is why when he touched the hand of a girl he loved it was like fireworks going off for him.
Very few people can boast such an acuteness of sensation which first and foremost speaks to a person’s innocence – and the rarity and even archaism of such a feeling seems to me the root of all this sexual chaos and controversy we are facing now.
Increasing homosexuality is probably a way for the nature to backfire on us for our complete loss of this sense of divinity (not only in sex but life in general), and this makes the problem of homosexuality not the intimate problem of one particular teenager hit by it – no, it turns into a gigantic problem concerning all of us and taking its root in our total loss of contact with the divine spirit.
If we look at both ends of the reason> result sequence skipping all the intermediate steps in between, the conclusion will be that the unfortunate people who have been afflicted by homosexuality are actually the victims of the world as such which has lost all respect for God and true religion en masse. By religion I don’t mean rituals – genuine religion for me is an understanding that there is a much bigger power than we are which has brought us into this world, is capable to terminate our life any minute and thanks to which you and I are still living at this particular moment of time.
In short it is the power so crucial to us that if we don’t adhere to its ethical laws we as the world will be doomed to extinction.
Now you will probably realize that it is not only you who have reasons to be depressed – people like me find the situation equally painful because we realize only too well that we as a whole are responsible for what happened to you. And if we don’t do something about it now the infectious process will go on and none of us will be immune to its influence.
However Zoroastrianism says that the border between the light and dark, innocent and corrupt, wholesome and sick sides of human nature is going inside each particular human being and it is within our power to shift it in either of the directions. To shift it towards returning to one’s innocence requires very much effort but it is nevertheless possible. During some global disasters the spirit of many people undergoes immediate changes on a mass scale due to reconsideration of their former values (what was valuable before is no longer valid now) and this is when the whole nature is recovering a little bit through such individual changes for the better which undergo in each man. This is probably why such disasters have become so common lately and they may very well stop if we clean our spirits ourselves without further hints from the above.
Zoroastrians believe that we come into the world to be the co-workers of the Absolute power and are therefore capable to make a change, but only if we preserve our childlike purity and don’t allow our divine spirit as a particle of the Absolute to be stamped out from our souls. From this point of view this power is predominantly inside us - though it is also everywhere – and it is a power so big that if we approach it for help it can change anything.
The world is ill and needs recovery and I practically had no hope it would ever happen. But as I am writing this and simultaneously watching TV and the Chilean minors being taken up one after another from deep inside the earth, embracing their wives and children and saying that love is everything, and that they faced both devil and God and God has won, it feels almost like the world is being reborn in front of your eyes.
October 14, 2010
Isn’t it amazing that right at the time when we are looking into the deeds of one despicable creature of a man, a Chilean Victor Gutierrez, who is showing us the deepest lows to which a human being can possibly fall, other Chileans are demonstrating to us the very best a human being is ever capable of?
Not being able to find a proper word for it can I call it just human splendor? The greatness of human spirit and its immense strength? Triumph of humaneness? The valor and staunchness of both those who were trapped inside and those who were free on the outside? The miracle human beings are capable of when they are really together? The infinite power of Love and Hope?
They were still looking for the missing minors seventeen days after all contact with them had been lost! Anyone in their place would have given up long ago and the poor men would have died there just of thirst and hunger – but no, they were still drilling hoping to find someone alive and they won.
Amazing.
If there are any Chileans here let me send my biggest congratulations to them and their country. It is a fantastic victory and a huge encouragement to us all. You’ve shown human beings at their very best.
And you’ve shown us that anything is possible for a human being if he really wants it.


This article might be of interest to anyone here who has participated in the discussion brought up by AutisticOne:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/Amelia/gay-children_b_954350.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
Helena,
Check email. Sending something which you may find of interest.
Thanks, Helena.
You right about Arviso’ case, that’s so ridiculous, but, for us, that know all about. For the rest os thw world, is diferent, because the media still selling the false history that Michael was find not guilt to be a superstar.
As a lawyer and a Michael’s fan since I was a child,these two cases do not go out of my head.
Or projct is just beginning, we are looking for a serious jornalis to producer it.
There’s another like our, do you know, like a Willima Wagner’s project.
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Or love for Michael can get everything.
@ Daniela
Yes, you can translate our posts and use them on your blog. I’m glad to see that you’re a lawyer! MJ’s fans consist of educated people from many professions! I’ve met MJ fans who are doctors, lawyers, engineers, journalists, writers, accountants, etc. Your legal skills will be a great asset to you once you begin your research.
Why don’t you send us an email via the Contact Us form, and we can talk about your proposed documentary? Thanks!
“I do not know if you’re a lawyer or an investigator, but if not, you could be a good one’.
Daniela, I’m no lawyer and no investigator – just a researcher with a science-oriented mind. But you are right – when this online investigation started I suddenly found that research and investigation were not that far from each other. Both need much attention to detail and a good deal of thinking.
“I am Brazilian and would like to translate your articles into my language and use them on my blog, if you agree, of course I’ll give credit.”
Sure you can translate them with a reference to our blog! The whole idea of the blog is spreading the truth about Michael – so all those who take this information further are also part of the vindication team.
“We want to do a documentary and produce a film about the Chandler and Arvisos cases, telling the story honestly, as all the details that the media missed. We need support. Can we count on you?”
I don’t know how I can help but if I will try to do my best. Please remember that our David is a much better expert on the Arvizos – I consider the case so ridiculous that refuse to talk about it seriously. I wish you every success with the documentary.
Helena, I consider this blog excelent.
There is a huge amount of valuable information and his observations are very intelligent. I am a lawyer and I am also attentive to details, I do not know if you’re a lawyer or an investigator, but if not, you could be a good one.
I am Brazilian and would like to translate your articles into my language and use them on my blog, if you agree, of course I’ll give credit.
By the way, I would like to talk to you about a project that we have and what motivated the creation of the blog to which I referred. We want to be a documentary and produced a film about the Chandler and Arvisos cases, telling the story honestly, as all the details that the media missed. We need support. Can we count on you?
As we are dicussing Michael here, let me add some bits of info:He had
a crush on his 1.st(?) gradeschool teacher in Gary ,Indiana and brought her gifts ie. he took some of his mothers jewellery,(later returned),he was also taken by Diana Ross at 10 or 11 yo, and at age 12y he asked his classmate, Joanelle Romano to”go steady”,she however moved to New
Mexico, so it did not materialise.
“That’s all.”
I know.
@ Helena
I don’t want to open a can of worms here either, because this subject is unrelated to the general subject of this blog. I just saw AutisticOne and I wanted to tell him that I was sorry about my former ignorance and judgmentalness. I’m not talking about anybody else but myself. I feel that my former opinion was based on ignorance and judmentalness and I felt the need to apologize to AutisticOne for that. That’s all.
“I totally understand now what you are talking about. I’m sorry for being judgmental the first time”.
Suzy, it will probably surprise you but I also totally understand what Autistic is talking about. And it would be a terribly perfunctory thing to say that all this talk is about being or not being judgmental – this way we are doing only more harm to people who didn’t make this choice by themselves. No, it wasn’t their choice – it is only that human sexuality is so sensitive a subject that it is possible to get sexually stuck even on a woolen sock (proven fact) if some corresponding circumstances or influence from third parties has taken place and just at the right time.
I will say no more on the subject as I promised to. All I ask of you and others is not to think that it is a primitive subject – no one knows how a human sexuality forms, whatever it is, but instead of doing proper research in this matter people prefer labeling it “judgmental” thus blocking even a possibility of reaching for the truth there.
@ AutisticOne
I’d like to tell you that since the last time we have talked here I have changed my views about homosexuality and I totally understand now what you are talking about. I’m sorry for being judgmental the first time.
Yes it was from the Neverland Five lawsuit.They had the lawsuit ready to file on December 2nd 1994 but had to wait until the tabloids bought some of their stories to file.it was February of 1995. THe lawsuit was won by Michael thanks to Bob Sange in June of 1998. It was the longest civil trial in Santa Barbara County.
Okay, then it seems we have buried the hatchet.
I am sorry – I will have to leave now as it is 3 am here. Why I was staying awake for so long was a question I couldn’t find an answer to. There was a deposition made by Michael Jackson in March 1996 which was conveniently released by a British tabloid immediately after Michael’s death (at the beginning of July 2009). I would like to comment on it, but cannot find the reason why Michael was deposed. Some say that it was during the suit filed by the “Neverland Five” – but does it mean that the suit which started sometime in 1994 lasted until March 1996? On the other hand I remember Tom Mesereau saying that it was long…
I will be really grateful if someone finds an answer to this question. We really need to look into that deposition (among a thousand other things to do) as it was analyzed by some professional “truth wizard” who made so superficial and biased an analysis that it is absolutely shocking. However for us to be able to discuss it we need to know the background for that deposition inside out. By the way it was heavily redacted too.
Agreed.
“I will no longer discuss it as long as you are as well.”
I won’t either, as long as the topic discussed will not require me to cover Michael’s views on this issue. Agreed?
My pleasure. I will no longer discuss it as long as you are as well.
“However, please refrain from airing your personal feelings about homosexuality. As you said, it is totally unrelated to the subject of vindicating Michael.”
Autistic, I will gladly refrain from it if I am not constantly forced to discuss this subject again and again.
Actually, the main reason I am reading this site in the first place is to indeed read your vindicating blog entries of Michael, which I have no problems with. That is why I never raised an issue with such.
What I do have problems with are your ignorant and prejudiced feelings about homosexuality. Let me remind you that the reason I first corresponded with you at all was because you filled up the comments sections of two of your blog entries with completely inaccurate, unrealistic, and misleading statements about such. I corresponded with you in an effort to combat those statements.
As I said, I am all for Michael’s support as well, but you have taken it upon yourself to air your personal feelings about a totally unrelated subject on several occasions. I then took it upon myself to combat such.
Please keep up the good work in your efforts to vindicate Michael; I’m all for it. However, please refrain from airing your personal feelings about homosexuality. As you said, it is totally unrelated to the subject of vindicating Michael.
“The fact of the matter is that you are dangerously in denial of reality. The sooner you accept that, the better you will feel about me and, most importantly, yourself.”
Autistic, I have to remind you that we are not discussing homosexuality here at all. We are discussing Michael Jackson and his innocence here. And as regards Michael Jackson he explained his attitude towards Marc Schaffel’s involvement in making gay films in a very simple way – he simply said that it was not his agenda (same as it isn’t mine).
Please see a piece of Michael’s deposition in 2006 (the year 1996 is a mistake made by the author, as the video itself carries a different date):
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9s50i_michael-jackson-deposition-1996_fun
Michael Jackson: “It was something not appropriate with what I was projecting, with my work. We just didn’t match. You know that…”
Same as Marc Schaffel’s agenda did not match with Michael Jackson’s, my agenda is probably not matching with yours. Or rather our agendas match only if you are ready to vindicate Michael. But it seems that you come here solely for the reason to talk about your feelings about homosexuality as I don’t remember you saying a word of support in respect of Michael Jackson.
Yes, VindicateMJ, feeling sorry for me is a crime in this case because you are laboring under a serious and dangerous misconception. Because of that, your pity is ill-placed and very offensive to me.
I am not ill, sick, or otherwise, nor did I choose to be gay. I was made this way by God for a reason. I realized this in my *heart*, not by following my dangerously unrealistic religion or reading about it in the Bible. Following my religion nearly destroyed me. Looking inside my heart and finding the answers within is what truly made me feel better. As Jesus himself said, “The truth will set you free.” You cannot find the truth about yourself in some 2,000-year-old book of fairy tales; you can only find it within yourself.
The fact of the matter is that you are dangerously in denial of reality. The sooner you accept that, the better you will feel about me and, most importantly, yourself.
“I am happy being who I am”
Autistic, it is good that you feel happy about it. Unfortunately I cannot as I feel sorry for you. Is feeling sorry for some people a crime?
Thank you Daniela. I truly appreciate your support and understanding.
You’re absolutely correct: homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia. I for one am vehemently against grown men taking advantage of innocent children and I would hurt such people if I ever witnessed such a crime.
Unfortunately, yes, there are many people out there in the world today who still think that homosexuality is either a choice or a behavior that is catching or learned, not to mention a mental illness. They are prejudiced and ignorant, as well as dangerously out of touch with the true reality of human sexuality and development. As for it being considered a moral virus, perhaps they should look in the mirror when making such a statement (or better yet, people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones).
The truth is that homophobia and intolerance are the true moral viruses because such is harmful to people’s self worth and self esteem. If you inundate people with such intolerance, they will look down on themselves. They are in effect taking away our rights to be happy with who we were born to be, at both the emotional level and at the legal level. This kind of intolerance is what breeds violence against us gays.
I am happy being who I am and I intend to help fight for the rights of those who are like me. I’ve said it before: the more they keep us locked in the closet, the harder we will fight to break out. We gays are not out to take away the rights of anyone.
Thank you once again for your kindness. May God bless you.
AutisticOne, I want say to you that I understand you, and I agree wiht you. I have a lot of friends who are gays and they founded that they were gays since they were children. Be homesexual not mean be a child molester. no one needs be educated to be gay, just born this way. Haw a lawyer a fight for rights of gays, like get marry and adopt children. Like a Michael fan I repudiate all kinf of prejudice and ignorance. Michael was not gay, but they, for sure, din’t hava prejudice against them.
Homosexuality is not a ill, is not a moral virus, of course not ! I am shocked to read something like that.
Are the
re someone in the world that still thing this way ?!
Be haapy, boy , the way you are.
By the way, I want to sincerely apologize for my animosity. I am very defensive about my sexual orientation due to the traumas I’ve suffered, not to mention the intolerance currently shown to us gays.
Recovery? Ill?
First of all, you need to stop viewing me as ill. I cannot be “cured” or “recover” because I am not ill in the first place. I’ve given you all of the facts about my life and you still refuse to accept it as reality. I f I was indeed ill with something, I would most definitely want to be cured and recover, but the fact of the matter is that I am not ill and never was, except with severe depression and anxiety.
The only disorder I have is Asperger Syndrome, which is not psychological, but neurological (my brain is rewired neurologically). That is what is responsible for my depression and anxiety. And it is not something that you can recover from. I am that way for life.
Secondly, I do not have a hormonal imbalance. I will not go into the gory details of my private life, but I can assure you that my attraction to men is not the result of a hormonal imbalance. There is no shortage of testosterone in me. I just happen to be attracted to men.
I can appreciate your attempt to feel compassion for me, but you’re going about it the wrong way. Instead of feeling sorry for my being gay, you should feel sorry for all of the trauma and heartache I suffered as a youngster.
“Belittling others and teaching people to hate them.. Ignorance breeds intolerance and hatred, which leads to suffering for those who are hated.”
Autistic one, dear, I don’t hate you and don’t teach anyone to do that. However I have a clear impression that it’s me and my approach to this matter which evoke much hatred on your part. It is just some grave misunderstanding between us.
I’ve always told you that I look upon homosexual people as those lacking some hormones, or having some psychological disorders (which many people have and there is nothing to be offended about) or those who have had some unfortunate experience in life which changed the natural course of their sexual development – so for me it is a disorder or illness the roots of which still need to be studied. And you don’t hate those who are ill – you feel sympathy and compassion for them. And you wish them recovery – which is what I am wishing to you.
Wow Helena, quite the turnaround. I guess you’ve been living so long in your own world that you can no longer handle the facts of reality.
Because of that, this will be my last post here, but I wish to close with some food for thought.
Homosexuality is not a psychological or moral virus. As a matter of fact, I take offense to your assertion. Your ignorance is the moral and psychological virus, my dear. Belittling others and teaching people to hate them based on an archaic and outdated belief system, be it Christian, Catholic, or Zoroastrianistic, is what is truly immoral. Ignorance breeds intolerance and hatred, which leads to suffering for those who are hated.
@ Helena
Like you said, I wouldn’t give any credit to anything Gutierrez claims and I will definitely take Ricky Martin’s word over his about whether he was or wasn’t sexually abused as a child. And we all know VG is lying about the Michael part. At least in the book he doesn’t claim Michael sexually abused Ricky, although I think even the part about the Ricky Martin picture found in Michael’s home is a lie. I have browsed the lists of the police’s findings and I don’t remember a Ricky Martin pic mentioned. There were 3T pics, for example (Michael’s nephews), but no Ricky Martin.
Wouldn’t that have been all over in the media had it been true? Just like the media had an obsession with the Macaulay Culkin portrait that was found (I guess because Mac was famous too), I assume the media would have had a field day with a Ricky Martin picture as well, if it had been true.
BTW, I remember that when Ricky Martin came out someone mentioned on a MJ fan board that VG was on TV in Chile claiming, he knew this because Michael sexually abused Martin as a child. So here, he already claimed MJ abused Martin – even though in his book he admits they didn’t even know each other (apart from later meeting as adults when Martin was in the “What more can I give?” project together with other stars, of course). If I remember well also the childhood Ricky Martin picture that allegedly was found in Michael’s possession now was suddenly a nude photo….
VG is a p-le, I have no doubt about that now and he is obviously trying to link all these stories together somehow, but I don’t give credit to any claim he makes about this, because he obviously has an agenda. Poor Ricky maybe will have to watch his back, because who knows if he won’t be the next attempted NAMBLA poster boy now….
Autistic one, may I ask you not to flood the blog with posts about the gay issues? Firstly, the blog is dedicated to Michael Jackson who was not gay according to his own words and other people’s testimonies, and secondly, I will be away for a few days as we are having a holiday here, so I won’t be able to answer you (or anyone) on this or any other matter.
Guys, I’m focusing now on Larry Feldman and hope to present to you a few pieces about him when David is finished with the seminar. David, I am very much looking forward to what the others said there, especially Thomas Mesereau!
Now that I’m researching Larry Feldman I am sure more than ever that someone’s professionalism is only half the story – it is professionalism and human’s integrity and high ethics which make a person a truly whole.
“my psyche is bruised and scarred”
“whether that is due to the neurological re-wiring of my brain (which is Asperger Syndrome) or something else, I’ll never know”
Autistic one, I am sick and tired of this gay issue and am answering you only for the reasons quoted above.
The article you provided about Ricky Martin does NOT prove to me that he was gay when he was five. The questions he was asked about him having girlfriends when he was in his preschool are firstly, absolutely crazy questions to ask, and secondly, I doubt that anyone can really remember what he or she was thinking when he was five years old. All these reflections are just a way to explain to oneself later that “I’ve always felt that way” which is not necessarily true.
However Ricky doesn’t elaborate on other factors which might have taken place in his life, an indication to which is given by our old friend Victor Gutierrez in the Spanish version of his MJWML book to which he added a special chapter about Ricky Martin.
It is truly surprising that whenever we have gay and p-le issues it is Victor Gutierrez who immediately pops up!
In that article Victor Gutierrez says that the manager of Ricky Martin’s group was a p-le who sexually abused members of the group including Ricky. Knowing what VG is like all of this might be a COMPLETE LIE, however the fact that adult gays involving youngsters in sex inevitably turn them into gays is an established fact, and we don’t need Victor Gutierrez’s stories to prove it.
In that story VG claims that there were photos of Ricky Martin found in Michael’s home (out of some journals) and that Ricky was involved in early sex with the manager of his group (evidently when he was a minor):
“Amongst the photographs confiscated by the Police during the raid, the detectives found some of an unidentifiable Hispanic boy. Later they discovered that they were of the singer, and ex-member of the band Menudo, Ricky Martin. Who is now an actor on the North American soap opera “General Hospital”.
In any case, the police knew that the then minor, never reached the point of knowing Jackson. In an interview with Ricky Martin, Martin was asked about the photographs found on Jackson ranch, he was surprised, ” When Jackson invited the group ‘Menudo’ for some photographs, I wasn’t a member of the group yet, when I did join the group I was fully aware that Jackson liked ‘Menudo’. But I never would have thought that this man would have kept photographs of me when I was a young boy. The Police have never contacted me, because I never knew Jackson.”
The preoccupation of the Police over Ricky Martin was understandable, they knew of incidents involving this now young man of 22. The records show 2 incidents where he was a victim of sexual abuse by famous personalities. The first time Ricky Martin heard the phrase ” Sexual Abuse”, was when he was the new member of the group “Menudo”. The ex-photographer of the group, Bolivar Arellano, accused the Manager of the group, Edgardo Diaz, of being a pedophile. He accused him of sexually abusing various members of the group, one of them being Ricky.
Even though charges were never filed, it was now recognized that there were problems in the group involving sex & drugs. Ricky states that he has never been aware of any such activities and claims, for the record that he no sexual abuse occurred between him & his ex-manager. Regardless, Bolivar Arellano, claims that he has seen Ricky Martin (when he was a young boy) & Diaz in the same bed. Ricky claims this to be the truth, they were in the same bed, but there was no sexual activity involved. “I don’t know about the other member of the group, he has never made any type of sexual advance towards me, add to that I’ve never seen him make any sexual advance towards the other members of the group either”.
The other incident the Police have involving Ricky Martin, is the report that Ricky Martin was the sexual victim of Jose Menendez. Father of the brothers Menendez, who are now on trial for killing their parents. When Ricky was 12 years old, Jose Menedez was the president of RCA, Menudo’s record label.
Even though Ricky finds it hard to remember Jose Menedez, he states that nothing happened between the two of them. “I was a kid & I met many people, but I really don’t remember this man much”, states Ricky. “When I saw his photograph in the press that he was murdered, his face looked familiar, and it was my assistant that told me that I knew the guy when he was President of RCA. But to say that I had any type of relationship with this man, and add to that, any type of abuse, I would remember that, I would definitely remember that, nothing like that ever happened”.
In total there are 3 people the police believe abused Ricky involuntary: Jackson, Jose Menendez & his ex-manager. It’s difficult for Ricky to understand “I don’t know what it is about me that they involve me in the sexual abuse charges when I was a boy. It’s incredible that I’m involved in these stories. People sure do have a lot of imagination”, Ricky stated in a surprised manner”.
I repeat that ALL OF THE ABOVE MAY BE A COMPLETE LIE – but Victor Gutierrez’s constant preoccupation with ped-le issues is growing more and more suspicious to me every day…
As to gay issues let me point out again that there is no power on earth which will ever convince me that a five-year old boy can truly realize himself as a homosexual because children simply do not realize their sexual identity that early and it is only a big and adult gay man who can convince a small boy that it is the first sign of his ‘orientation’ if he looks at another boy’s penis and asks a question about it.
As to your desire to help others I suggest you focus on the elderly for whom your theories about kid homosexuals are no longer harmful.
Homosexuality is a virus and is contagious, but not in the meaning which people usually attach to it – sexual likings are such an intricate and subtle thing which have to do with a person’s psychology, that even a woolen sock (as specialists say) may become sexually attractive to someone if some circumstances come together at a certain moment in a person’s life, though you definitely cannot say that being attracted to a woolen sock is an inherent ‘orientation’ of a person.
It is a psychological and even moral virus, if you like, and the more propaganda is made about it the more contagious it gets.
Hello Helena. I wanted to share with you an article today about Latino singer Ricky Martin, who, as you may recall, came out as gay earlier this year. The article can be found here:
http://www.celestrellas.com/2010/11/03/ricky-martin-oprah-today-show/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7C2%7Clink1%7C23296
In it, Ricky reveals that he had known he was attracted to the same sex since he was five years old. To quote: “I always felt attraction, I was four, five years old and I felt this chemistry. I was feeling something. The first day I went to school, when I came back the first thing they asked me was ‘Do you have girlfriends already? How many girlfriends do you have?’ and I was like ‘What? I don’t understand what you mean.’ I was five.”
Contrary to what you believe, that homosexuality is “catching,” there is no evidence in this article to suggest that Ricky “caught” it from anyone. He came to that realization on his own, as did I.
As I stated in my last post, I also have vivid memories of being attracted to my same-sex peers throughout my childhood and adolescense, but I forced myself to deny those feelings out of necessity and security, for fear of being rejected by my parents and bullied by my peers, so I adopted a homophobic view. I knew from an early age that it was unacceptable for males to bond in that way with each other, so I attempted to bond with my female peers, believing that it was the “right” thing to do. It wasn’t until the end of high school that I realized why I was unsuccessful in finding a girlfriend: I related more on an emotional and mental level with guys.
To further quote Ricky: “People were mocking my sexuality and I was like ‘I don’t want to be that,’ Is that me? I totally want to reject myself…you know what? I think I hate myself’ That’s why, I must insist: when someone is not ready, we must not force that person to come out. Right now we are dealing people that are being bullied because they are gay, and are committing suicide because they’re forced to come out.”
I understand exactly how he felt because I went through it too. I was suspected of being gay during my grade school years, which I vehemently denied because all I heard about homosexuality was negative word-of-mouth. I knew that if I let on that I was the tiniest bit attracted to my male peers that I would have succumbed to the pressure of their inevitable bullying and possibly attempted suicide at a young age. (I also knew that there was no support for gay and questioning youth at that time; luckily now, there is.) As it is, during grades 6 and 7, I was being so bullied by everyone who knew me in school that I developed my first suicidal thoughts. However, I never attempted to carry them out; looking back, I now realize that I was stronger than I thought.
Nevertheless, because I did not receive any nurturing support for my homosexuality when I needed it most, my psyche is bruised and scarred. The only thing that helps me to cope is therapy, as well as my relationship with my fiancee. I want to do more, however, to make a difference for gay and questioning youth, so that they will not grow up hating themselves, as Ricky Martin and I did. I intend to become more active in that area by joining the Human Rights Campaign, as well as possibly volunteering at my local pride center.
Helena, thank you for your kind blessing. I know in my heart and mind that God loves me for who He made me to be. That is where I found what I believe is my true destiny: to adopt orphan children and raise them in a loving and caring household. They will not be “doomed” to be gay, as you believe. My fiancee and I will tell them that it is up to them to search within their heart and soul to decide which direction is most true to themselves. We will not impress upon them that it is imperative in any way to procreate. We will leave that decision in their hands, to be made at the right time in their life. We would not want them growing up under pressure, as my fiancee and I did.
In terms of people’s beliefs that homosexuality is a choice, it is only a choice in the barest sense that they can choose to either ignore or be true to themselves. I (and millions of others, young and old) chose to be true to myself and to ignore the harmful beliefs with which I was indoctrinated. It was figuritively like pulling out a knife after being stabbed. If you pulled the knife out too quickly, you’d bleed to death. If you slowly and methodically removed it surgically, you would have a chance of survival.
I will respectfully reiterate again that homosexuality is *not* a “virus” or a “psychological problem”, as you may have been led to believe over the years; telling gay youth that they have a “problem” will do more harm than good (they would most definitely want nothing more than to be true to themselves, and they should know that it is okay to do so). It is simply a difference in people’s psychosexual (and physical-sexual) make-up, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Some men are attracted to men, while some women are attracted to women, in the same way that someone is attracted to a certain flavor of ice cream, or a certain genre of music or movies, or sports, etc.
It is also not contagious, as you so assert. I did not “catch” it from anyone. I realized very early on during my childhood in the 1980s, based on what I saw with my eyes, that men were supposed to be with women and vice-versa. I, however, have vivid memories of being attracted to my (same-aged) male peers at various stages of my life, knowing full well that it was considered “wrong.”
Once I started hearing (negative) word-of-mouth about this thing called “homosexuality” (or being “gay”) at the beginning of the 1990s, I realized that I had found a label for my pre-existing feelings, but I felt that I could not come out because I would have not received the nurturing support I knew I needed, given the negative word-of-mouth all around. Because I did not receive that support during the window of opportunity that was puberty, my psychosexual development was stunted and my psyche remains scarred and voided because I did not fulfill my requisite developmental needs.
To this day, I obsess over the fact that I had no release or outlet for the psychosexual tension caused by my raging hormones during puberty (except, excuse the gory details, for solo masturbation, which got boring after a while). I remain scarred for life because of this. I tried adopting the viewpoint that you shared with me, in that the time of the “raging storm” of hormones would have been the worst time for me to find an outlet, but I knew myself better than that. One thing that my numerous therapists over the years know about me is that I always seem to know exactly what I want. Whether that is due to the neurological re-wiring of my brain (which is Asperger Syndrome) or something else, I’ll never know, but I do know that I knew very much what I wanted as a teen.
Out of necessity, I fell into denial of my true needs and adopted a homophobic point-of-view for the better part of the ’90s, simply to fit in with the rest of society and to appease my parents, until I turned 18 and realized that I could not hold it in much longer. Beginning with puberty, I looked at heterosexual pornography with the belief that it was the “right” thing to look at, hoping that I would grow into it, but the opposite was true. I craved pictures of naked men because I was curious about their bodies. It was then that I realized that I had no interest in forming an emotional or physical bond with females. At that age (and during puberty, which began at age 14), I had no desire to engage in heterosexual procreation of any kind, only a need to touch and explore the developing bodies of my fellow same-aged peers.
I did not get to do that until ten years after I began puberty, at which time I was 25. Despite the fact that I am now in a stable, mutually faithful monogamous relationship (and engaged, to boot), I still obsess over the developmental needs that remain unfulfilled. (Luckily, my fiancee is very supportive and understanding of this.)
I remember Madonna saying something to this effect during a concert after Michael died, which was, in fact, a reference to Michael. She said, “When you don’t get something you need, you obsess over it.” That is what Michael did to his dying day: he obsessed over the childhood he never had. In the same fashion, I obsess over the needs that went unfulfilled during puberty. Though the window of opportunity has been closed since puberty ended, I still look longingly into it, and will for the rest of my life.
I and many other people want to advocate for gay and questioning teens to receive the support and nurturing they need most during their own windows of opportunity so that they do not grow up scarred and voided like me and many others. We know now that the spectrum of human sexuality is much more complex and multi-faceted than any religion would like you to believe. And we are the way we are for a reason. It is up to us to search within ourselves to find that reason.
Again, thank you for your blessing and your invitation to me to stay and discuss my feelings.
I realized that I couldn’t leave without saying a few more things. I have as much right as you do to air my feelings.
Autistic, you shouldn’t leave at all. I’ll be glad if you stay and talk to us.
First of all, I’ve never heard of Zoroastrianism and I don’t think that I’d be willing to believe in it after what you’ve described it to be.
Practically nobody heard of it but everyone celebrates one of its main holidays every December 25. Mitra’s birthday was so popular that Christians had to replace it with a Christmas holiday to erase the memory of Mitraism which was a later version of Zoroastrianism. Also the three Magi who came to greet the newborn Christ belonged to that religion. They came all the way from Persia to show their respect to the child that would take humans a step further – it was like passing the keys to the world’s most sacred wisdom. By the way the main feature of Zoroaster followers was that they never lied. The first world historian Hippocrates visited ancient Persia and was amazed that the whole nation considered a lie to be the most distressful thing ever.
… to address your assertion that you do not believe in “gay kids,” have you ever heard of “The Trevor Project”? It is an organization in America that provides round-the-clock support for gay and questioning youth. It was started by the filmmakers of the 1994 short film “Trevor,” about a teenaged boy who realizes he is gay upon beginning puberty. He was ostracized and bullied by his peers, to the point of attempting suicide. Luckily, his attempt failed and he received much-needed support. You can find more information about it here: http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
It is good that there is an organization in American which can provide psychological help to young people questioning their sexuality. However help may be different – if they prevent them from suicides, that’s one thing, but if they encourage them to be gays, that’s a different matter.
Given the recent spate of teen suicides this past month, it appears that the Trevor Project is just not enough. Ignorance and hatred is winning over everyone. What needs to be done to curb these suicides is complete acceptance and education of homosexuality as a natural sexual orientation/preference, especially for those who identify as such as teenagers. If gay and questioning teens do not receive the support they need during the window of opportunity that is puberty, they will grow up permanently and irrevocably damaged by the word-of-mouth, intolerance, and beliefs they are exposed to, as I was. They will be cleaning up society’s mess for the rest of their lives, as I am.
In matters of homosexuality there is no place for hatred. IMHO the first thing to do is to calm down and stop the hysteria about it. From what I have seen in this matter gay men are partially to blame for it because they attack everyone who does as little as just shrugging his shoulders. You feel that you are allowed to speak of it well only or you don’t speak about it at all. This type of an attitude is drawing fire on gays – I always felt compassion for young men with all their troubles until people started attacking me here and this is what really made me angry (and say more than I initially wanted to).
If everyone calms down people will be able to sort out a few things, one of which is that the concept of ‘gay kids’ is partially a nonsense – partially, because there might be some hormone changes in the body which will eventually produce a gay effect (nobody knows anything for sure yet). However the main reason for homosexuality is the social environment – people you associate with, matters you discuss, contacts you have, examples of behavior you see, etc. Therefore the role of older gays becomes critical here and if they impose themselves on a younger generation I’ll be the first to hate them and burn them on fire.
I still battle the after-effects of the word-of-mouth and harmful beliefs that I endured during puberty (and I was lucky for not coming out until after I graduated high school); part of my psyche still wants to believe that it is wrong to be gay. However, I cannot give in to that, otherwise I may become severely depressed and attempt suicide again. I need to fight for what I believe is being true to myself. And I intend to fight for the rights of others like me, young and old.
I think you should stop thinking of it as ‘wrong’. At the moment you just can’t help it because some psychological patterns have already formed. But these patterns can be changed.
Both the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association have long maintained their belief that homosexuality is not a mental illness that needs to be cured, but is instead a natural sexual orientation that needs nurturing and support, as natural as someone’s preference for a certain type of music, color, food flavor, or whatever.
It may not be a mental illness, but it is a psychological problem which is contagious. It is a ‘virus’.
True, we gays cannot procreate with our same-sex partners, but I think that is all for the better. I believe that we were instead meant to adopt and give homes to less fortunate orphan children. If we were meant to procreate, we would have been attracted to people of the opposite sex, but the fact of the matter is that we are not. And once again, we did not choose to be this way.
Children in gay families are doomed to become gays too because they will absorb the same problems and perception of sex and gender. It will be a completely one-sided type of education.
Thank you once again for providing me with a forum in which to air my feelings. I don’t expect to change your beliefs, but I do hope that you will learn to stop treating homosexuality as a tragedy. Murder is a tragedy. Child mlestation and rape are tragedies. Theft is a tragedy. It is *not* a tragedy when two people of the same sex fall in love with one another.
I agree – it is not and shouldn’t be a tragedy for the man himself but it may be a tragedy for his parents who hoped for a different future for their son. However a loving parent will always accept his child with all the choices he is making. The matter turns into a tragedy when the boy commits a suicide because of these issues. In order to avoid all that everyone should calm down first and then 1) accept things which cannot be changed, 2) give a chance of psychological help to those who want it to be changed and 3) never encourage homosexuality or impose it on anyone by creating a specific social environment (for ex, male schools or propaganda of same sex) thus giving a chance to young people to develop their sexuality in a natural way.
God bless you, dear.
Helena, I know I said we should just agree to disagree, but since you’ve given me a forum on your site to further discuss this issue with you, I realized that I couldn’t leave without saying a few more things. I have as much right as you do to air my feelings.
First of all, I’ve never heard of Zoroastrianism and I don’t think that I’d be willing to believe in it after what you’ve described it to be. That was then and this is now, and we know much more about the spectrum of human sexuality than ever before, thanks to science and intellect. Adhering to and enforcing such an archaic and antiquated belief system is dangerous and harmful.
Secondly, I remember you saying in one of your e-mails to me that one or more of the links I sent you would not open. For your convenience, I will post them again here:
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/09/28/Antigay_Bullying_Prompts_Houston_Suicide//
http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716
Thirdly, to address your assertion that you do not believe in “gay kids,” have you ever heard of “The Trevor Project”? It is an organization in America that provides round-the-clock support for gay and questioning youth. It was started by the filmmakers of the 1994 short film “Trevor,” about a teenaged boy who realizes he is gay upon beginning puberty. He was ostracized and bullied by his peers, to the point of attempting suicide. Luckily, his attempt failed and he received much-needed support. You can find more information about it here: http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Given the recent spate of teen suicides this past month, it appears that the Trevor Project is just not enough. Ignorance and hatred is winning over everyone. What needs to be done to curb these suicides is complete acceptance and education of homosexuality as a natural sexual orientation/preference, especially for those who identify as such as teenagers. If gay and questioning teens do not receive the support they need during the window of opportunity that is puberty, they will grow up permanently and irrevocably damaged by the word-of-mouth, intolerance, and beliefs they are exposed to, as I was. They will be cleaning up society’s mess for the rest of their lives, as I am.
I still battle the after-effects of the word-of-mouth and harmful beliefs that I endured during puberty (and I was lucky for not coming out until after I graduated high school); part of my psyche still wants to believe that it is wrong to be gay. However, I cannot give in to that, otherwise I may become severely depressed and attempt suicide again. I need to fight for what I believe is being true to myself. And I intend to fight for the rights of others like me, young and old.
The reason why your last e-mail put me into a state of depression is that it reinforced all over again the beliefs that I was indoctrinated with as a teen/adolescent. I remembered the feelings I had of being coerced against my will into adhering to a belief system that I did not agree with, not to mention the negative word-of-mouth about homosexuality that I heard from my peers and my father. I was also depressed due to the notion that countless gay youth have it much worse than I did and that there was nothing I could do to help them. But now there is something I can do; I can volunteer at my local pride center, not to mention vote for the better candidates.
The fact of the matter is that you and countless millions of others are so hung up on your archaic belief systems (be it Zoroastrianistic, Christian, Catholic, or whatever) that you are not aware of the very real problems that are going on around you, nor the people that you are hurting in the process.
Both the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association have long maintained their belief that homosexuality is not a mental illness that needs to be cured, but is instead a natural sexual orientation that needs nurturing and support, as natural as someone’s preference for a certain type of music, color, food flavor, or whatever.
True, we gays cannot procreate with our same-sex partners, but I think that is all for the better. I believe that we were instead meant to adopt and give homes to less fortunate orphan children. If we were meant to procreate, we would have been attracted to people of the opposite sex, but the fact of the matter is that we are not. And once again, we did not choose to be this way.
Thank you once again for providing me with a forum in which to air my feelings. I don’t expect to change your beliefs, but I do hope that you will learn to stop treating homosexuality as a tragedy.
Murder is a tragedy. Child mlestation and rape are tragedies. Theft is a tragedy. It is *not* a tragedy when two people of the same sex fall in love with one another.
Thank you, Helena, for taking the time to fully understand me. However, I believe that we should just agree to disagree. You are entitled to your beliefs and I am entitled to be true to myself. Instead of bombarding you with anger and animosity, I will channel my feelings into positive and helpful ways of helping the people of my orientation.
Guys, sorry for my long silence. It is due to the fact that I’ve been thinking what to do about some issues which on the one hand cannot be left unattended, but on the other hand shouldn’t be mixed up with Michael’s vindication. On still another hand judging by how Michael behaved and what he said spiritual problems were probably constantly on his mind so mentioning some of them here are well within what he would expect us to do.
As a result I decided to open a page of my own where I can deal with all controversial issues. If you are interested please have a look.
It is only after taking this step (which is crucial for me) that I will read in more detail the superb work done by Lynette in her latest post and all the comments for the past few days.