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What Do We Know About Mariano “Mark” Quindoy? Part 2

November 5, 2019

By September 1993, when Mariano “Mark” and Ofelia “Faye” Quindoy arranged a press conference in Manila, their legal battle with Michael Jackson had been going for three years – since they left Neverland in August 1990. The disputed sum was $283,000 they thought Michael Jackson owed them in unpaid overtime wages.

For a while all seemed quiet, but in late 1991– early 1992 they started seeking contact with the media. We’ve seen their two big TV interviews with Hard Copy (Feb.1992) and Geraldo (July 1992), and an earlier contract with the “Sun” for $25,000 to tell a frank and full story about their work for Michael Jackson – however then they didn’t say a single bad word about their former employer.

The Quindoys and Michael Jackson

But knowing that when doing those interviews the Quindoys were also litigating Michael Jackson, it was easy to assume that their public appearances were actually a warning sent to Michael via TV – if their payment demands were not met, the very same story about him would acquire a different coloring.

Indeed, their earlier interviews had all the makings of future allegations – the comment that Michael used to throw around his clothes and underwear was a signal that it could turn into “boy’s underwear” lying by his bedside, the bed on the second floor of his bedroom where his guests “usually stayed” could turn into a “never slept in” bed, and the innocent fact that for their 6 months there they didn’t see any MJ’s girlfriends would later turn into the idea that he was gay.

The supposition that the interviews were a veiled threat was confirmed by an unexpected source – Victor Gutierrez, who claims that the Quindoys “made demands of” Jackson and threatened him. Gutierrez says that he was also planning to interview them.

We learn about it from Gutierrez’s filthy pro-pedophilia book which describes a sudden visit to him by Anthony Pellicano sometime in July-August 1992. Gutierrez says that two months after he met Joy and Wade Robson (in June 1992) Pellicano appeared on his doorstep and asked Gutierrez why he was spreading rumors about Michael Jackson. Pellicano added: “I know that you work with the Quindoys.”

Of course, Gutierrez is so big a liar that everything he says should be divided by a hundred, and even then it may still be a lie, but as regards Pellicano I don’t see any reason for him lying:

“Joy turned out to be something of an opportunist. She tried to use my interview as a means of making good Jackson’s promise of the “good life.” The next day, Joy called the manager at Neverland Ranch, Norma Staikos. Staikos [ ] turned to Anthony Pellicano. He commenced an investigation into my book. Two months after I had interviewed Joy, he paid me a surprise visit.

Pellicano, together with his assistant, arrived and presented himself as Michael Jackson’s representative and pointed out that he wanted to speak with me regarding conversations I had had with his client’s friends. He asked why I was saying that his client abused minors. [ ] Pellicano then said that “I know that you work with the Quindoys.” The Quindoys were a married Philippine couple that had worked for Jackson at the ranch from May of 1989 to August 1990.[ ] They had left the ranch unexpectedly, and thereafter threatened and made demands of Jackson. “I told Pellicano that I knew little about the Quindoys, but that I was interested in interviewing them. When he mistakenly claimed that I was working with the Quindoys, I questioned his ability as a private investigator.”

So according to Gutierrez since the time the Quindoys left they were threatening Michael Jackson, and Pellicano was aware of those threats, thinking that they worked in cooperation with Gutierrez. The latter claims that this was not the case, but there is no doubt that the first thing he did after Pellicano’s visit was getting in touch with the Quindoys and sharing with them his fantasies about MJ. It is also highly probable that he sold them the idea of a diary – Gutierrez himself was busy writing a diary allegedly kept by Jordan Chandler which in reality never existed.

How did Gutierrez get in touch with the Quindoys? Easily. Pellicano’s visit to VG came soon after their participation in Geraldo’s show in July 1992, so they could still be in the US, or their communication could be by telephone, the way Maureen Orth interviewed Mark Quindoy a year later, in 1993. Orth also says that the Quindoys had several representatives in the US.

From her “Nightmare in Neverland”, Jan. 1994:

I managed to obtain the Quindoys’ Manila phone number without going through their U.S. representative, a woman who works as a private investigator, a tabloid reporter, and their agent on the side.[ ]They did not go to the police, they said, because “we were just witnesses—we were not victims.”

Some will say that the fact that the Quindoys extorted Jackson for money does not make them the respectable people they claimed they were, but may indicate that they had some evidence against him and were selling their silence for a certain sum.

This is a legitimate question, but the answer to it is negative. The sum at stake at that moment was $283,000 – a drop in the bucket for Michael Jackson. If Michael had been in the wrong he could have paid this sum as hush money in no time, without dragging the case for 3 years. But he was innocent and didn’t want to give in to the Quindoys’ threats, knowing that they had nothing against him, and lie they will not – after all Mark Quindoy was an attorney and indeed looked respectable.

But Michael did not yet know the depths of human meanness and simply could not imagine that a year later not only Gutierrez’s “diary” would be read on the radio, by Diane Dimond as far as I remember, but a similar “diary” would appear from thin air in Manila too.

How many grown-up people keeping diaries do you personally know? I know none. And around Michael Jackson almost everyone seemed to be writing a diary. In his “Unauthorized” hatchet job against MJ Christopher Andersen says that both Mark and Faye Quindoy kept diaries:

“… their exhaustive accounts later given to Los Angeles police investigators [were] backed up by prodigiously detailed diaries kept by both himself and his wife.”

In reality the Quindoys could have some notes of what guest was to arrive when and what meals were to be served, as this was their job to meet them and take care of their needs. In fact there was even a log kept at Neverland of who stayed when, so for Quindoys it was no problem to insert the allegations later to fit certain dates. Anyone with a little fantasy and much greed and malice could do the same.

PRESS CONFERENCE

On September 14, 1993, the very same day Evan Chandler filed a lawsuit against Michael Jackson, the Quindoys held a press-conference in Manila for an audience packed with journalists and TV cameras.

What a coincidence considering that the Quindoys made their press-conference arrangements in advance! In fact due to the difference in time zones their press conference came as a kind of an introduction to the news about the Chandlers.

These days there is practically no information about the event, but we can learn at least its date from the AP archive whose cryptic synopsis of the ABC footage from Manila says:

Date:

14/09/1993 00:00 AM

MARK QUINDOY PRESS CONFERENCE

Source: ABC News

ABC News

22:34:55 FOOTAGE OF FORMER MICHAEL JACKSON EMPLOYEE MARK QUINDOY PC ON CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE CHARGES AGAINST JACKSON. HE DISCUSSES WHAT HE AND HIS WIFE WITNESSED AND CONSIDER PEDOPHILIA BY JACKSON AT HIS RANCH SINCE 1989.

On a side note the ABC report says that the Quindoys mentioned the beginning of their work for MJ as 1989 and this makes it clear that it was Diane Dimond who lied about them speaking at the press conference of four years of work for Michael Jackson.

In fact the Quindoys lied only about two years (the real dates of employment were May 24, 1989 – August 30, 1990). But Diane Dimond turned it into 1987-1991 which was later repeated by almost every author writing about Michael Jackson.

An excerpt from Diane Dimond’s book:

Well, no surprises here. Same as her “best source” Gutierrez, Diane Dimond is also a notorious liar, and it is a real problem that it is this kind of people who formed public opinion about Michael Jackson. By now the amount of fakes about Michael Jackson has reached a point when anything can be said about this man, and it requires much dedication and care to navigate to the truth in this bottomless sea of lies.

To see what happened at the press conference let us resort to Yan Halperin who described it in his book “Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson”:

Quindoys at a press conference1

(all screenshots from the Frontline documentary “Tabloid Truth: The Michael Jackson Story” https://youtu.be/Ldc61tv-EgE)

Shortly after Jordan Chandler’s accusations were made public a Filipino man named Mark Quindoy called a press conference in Manila to confirm that he had witnessed Jackson molesting children when he and his wife, Faye, worked as housekeeper and cook, respectively, at Neverland between 1989 and 1991 [correct year is 1990]. The couple had either quit or been fired in a dispute over overtime pay, claiming Jackson owed them almost $280,000. But now Mark Quindoy, who said he was writing a book about the singer, claimed that they had actually quit because they could not stomach what they had witnessed between Michael and the young children that he shepherded through the ranch on a daily basis.

He claimed that seventy-five boys visited the Jackson estate during his two years there and that he had recorded the names and addresses of the visitors. Moreover, he kept a diary of events along with 200 photographs.

75 boys, 200 photographs… I wonder how Mark Quindoy could make those photos – cameras were not allowed at Neverland. And this was 1990 when there were no mobile phones for taking pictures, so if somebody had seen him with a camera he would have been fired then and there. And where are those photos? Can we have a look?

Quindoy at a press conference

“He also indicated that he had made detailed notations of what he saw every day at Neverland. Stars on the pages, he said, meant instances of abuse.”

Stars on pages? But the prosecution 1108 Motion mentions only two abuse instances allegedly witnessed by Mark Quindoy – the scene with James Safechuck at the Jacuzzi that was impossible to see (here is why) and the other case allegedly involving Robson (to be discussed later).

Quindoy at a press conference 3

“Asked why they had kept quiet for so long and hadn’t gone to the authorities to report what they saw, Quindoy claimed he was afraid of “threats of Jackson’s associates.” He added, “Michael is such a big man. I was trying to protect him, but it lingered in my mind that it was a civic duty to tell the truth.”

And Maureen Orth says that they kept silence because “they were witnesses – not victims”, meaning that being only witnesses they didn’t give a damn.

Quindoy at a press conference 1

“Then he dropped the bombshell. Jackson, he declared, was a “gay pedophile.” Elaborating on this accusation, he said that “whatever a gay man does to his partner during sex, Michael does to a child.”

He described a scene he had allegedly witnessed involving Jackson and one of his “special friends” as an example. “I swear I saw Michael Jackson fondling the little kid, his hands traveling on the kid’s thighs, legs, around his body. And during all this, the kid was playing with his toys.”

This vaguely reminds us of James Safechuck and the scene at the Jacuzzi, except the playing with toys part.

Another time, Quindoy recalled, he was driving Michael and a seven-year-old friend to a nearby town when he looked back and discovered the spectacle of Jackson kissing the boy “like a lover.” The boy wasn’t protesting at all, but rather sitting there unmoved. “It was just like a boy kissing a girl in the backseat,” he said. “I was utterly stunned – appalled that he could do that to a seven-year-old boy.”

And this must be about Robson.

Quindoy at a press conference 5

Before long, Quindoy was appearing on the tabloid TV show, A Current Affair, where he took his accusations a step further, saying that he saw Jackson putting his hands down a boy’s underwear.

The above is the Current Affair program part 1 of this post started with.

Two investigators – Detective Fred Sicard of the Los Angeles child abuse unit and Sgt. Deborah Linden of the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department – immediately flew to Manila to question Mark Quindoy for three hours. After the session, Quindoy contacted reporters. This was becoming a habit.

“I indicated my intentions to go [to the US] if I was asked,” he said. He was never asked.

It later emerged that the Quindoys had shopped their story around to the highest bidder – a story that changed constantly depending on how much money was an offer. At one point, they were asking $900,000 for the story until Rupert Murdoch’s London-based tabloid, The News of the World, gained the story for free on a previous $25,000 agreement with the couple to provide a full and frank account of life with the Jacksons.”

Bad luck for the Quindoys, but they still hoped for a smashing success of their book they said they were writing.

Now what about the detectives who came to Manila to interview the Quindoys?

VISIT TO MANILA

The arrangements for the investigators’ arrival were made within a week after the press conference.

Two investigators – Sgt. Deborah Linden, deputy sheriff of the Santa Barbara Sheriffs department and Detective Federico Sicard from the LA police department came on September 20, 1993. They were assisted by the FBI.

The recent Daily Beast article provides some details of it, quoting the FBI files released to the public.

THE DAILY BEAST

Amy Zimmerman

Updated 03.05.19 

The files indicate that the FBI was involved in multiple investigations into Jackson. A 1993 memorandum reveals that the LAPD’s Child Sexual Abuse Section requested assistance from the FBI “in their investigation of child molestation allegation against entertainer, Michael Jackson.” More specifically, “Inquiring if the FBI would be interested in working a possible federal violation against Jackson concerning the transportation of a minor across state lines for immoral purposes.” At a subsequent meeting, “The United States Attorney’s position of not pursuing a federal investigation was expressed to the group.” However, “[Redacted] offered the assistance of the FBI in covering leads that may develop.”

The documents further detail how the FBI helped to facilitate interviews in the Philippines with two former Neverland ranch employees “concerning their knowledge of accusations against Michael Jackson of sexual abuse of young boys.” Attached newspaper clippings from 1993 cover the interviews, which occurred in the wake of Jordan Chandler’s allegations. “The detectives, one from Los Angeles, the other from Santa Barbara, began meeting Wednesday afternoon with Mariano Quindoy and his wife, Faye,” The Philippine Star reported. “The Philippine couple managed Jackson’s Neverland Valley home from 1988 to 1990.”

The article continued, “Quindoy, a 59-year-old Philippine lawyer who left Jackson’s ranch due to disagreements with other staff and a pay dispute, claimed he saw the singer fondle young boys on at least two occasions…He and his wife said they had ‘reason to believe’ the 13-year-old’s allegations against Jackson.”

The above is another instance of the media never getting their story straight – the correct dates of Quindoys’ employment are 1989-1990!

Just for the record here are the two archived newspaper clips covering the investigators’ visit. In both of them the years of Quindoys’ employment are wrong (as usual) and both speak about two occasions of alleged inappropriate behavior, though the press conference created the impression of it being an almost daily occurrence.

Monday, SEPT. 20, 1993

U.S. police to question Philippine ex-Jackson staff

MANILA — Two U.S. police detectives investigating child molestation charges against Michael Jackson will question a Philippine couple who claims the pop star fondled young boys, the American Embassy and the couple said Monday.

The detectives, from Los Angeles, California, are scheduled to arrive in Manila Tuesday to meet Mariano Quindoy, who managed Jackson’s Neverland Valley home from 1988 to 1990 with his wife, Faye.

‘That is confirmed, they are coming tomorrow,’ U.S. Embassy spokesman Frank Jenista said, adding that embassy officials had been in contact with the lawyers of Quindoy.

Jackson has been haunted for weeks by allegations he sexually abused a 13- year-old boy. The boy has filed a civil suit against the 35-year-old star in Los Angeles. Representatives of Jackson, who is currently on the Middle East leg of a world tour, have said the charges are part of an elaborate plot to extort $20 million from the mega star.

Quindoy, a 59-year-old Philippine attorney who left Jackson’s ranch due to disagreements with other staff and a pay dispute, claimed he saw the singer fondle young boys on at least two occasions.

He and his wife said they were willing to testify in the case involving the 13-year-old boy, adding they ‘had reason to believe’ his claims although the alleged incident occurred long after they had left Jackson’s employ.

Quindoy said he and his wife planned to meet with the detectives early this week in Manila’s business district. ‘They want us to shed light on the Michael Jackson case,’ he said.

Quindoy plans to write a book about what he allegedly saw during his employment at the Neverland resort. He has denied his allegations could be designed to foster interest in the manuscript.

Family and friends have rushed to Jackson’s defense including Elizabeth Taylor, who accompanied the singer for several days during appearances in Asia in early September.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/09/20/US-police-to-question-Philippine-ex-Jackson-staff/4856748497600/

The second article is slightly shortened to avoid repetitions.

Wednesday SEPT. 22, 1993

Two California detectives investigating child molestation allegations against Michael

MANILA — Two California detectives investigating child molestation allegations against Michael Jackson met Wednesday with a Philippine couple who claims the megastar fondled young boys.

The detectives, one from Los Angeles the other from Santa Barbara, met for just under four hours Wednesday afternoon with Mariano Quindoy and his wife, Faye at a downtown law office. The Philippine couple managed Jackson’s Neverland Valley home from 1988 to 1990.

‘As the media already knows, we are here to talk to the Quindoys,’ said Sgt. Deborah Linden, deputy sheriff at the Santa Barbara County Sheriffs Department. ‘We are not here to comment on the investigation.’

Linden refused to say whether she and Los Angeles police detective Fred Sicard would question the Quindoys further in connection with the allegations. The two arrived in the Philippines Tuesday and are scheduled to stay until at least Saturday.

Quindoy, a 59-year-old Philippine attorney who left Jackson’s ranch due to disagreements with other staff and a pay dispute, claimed he saw the singer fondle young boys on at least two occasions.

Appearing relaxed and accompanied by three lawyers, Quindoy reiterated Wednesday that he was willing to testify if the case went to court. He declined to say whether the two detectives had requested his testimony.

Quindoy plans to write a book about what he allegedly saw during his employment at the Neverland resort. He has denied his allegations could be designed to stoke interest in the manuscript.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/09/22/Two-California-detectives-investigating-child-molestation-allegations-against-Michael/5866748670400/

So after meeting with the investigators and accompanied by three lawyers Mariano “Mark” Quindoy spoke to the press again on Wednesday September 22, 1993. Indeed, this was becoming a habit.

The investigators were going to leave on Saturday, but left earlier than planned. Steve Knopper of the Rolling Stone spoke to the now retired Detective Federico Sicard who gives us the idea of the intensity of Mark Quindoy publicity efforts – when the detectives arrived at the airport there were 10,299 reporters there.

Steve Knopper:

“They kept a diary. We saw the diary. That was going to be a good piece of evidence,” Sicard says. “When we went to the airport, 10,299 reporters were there. ‘Man, how did they find out?’ Of course, the Quindoys probably told them we were going to interview them.” (from “MJ: The Genius of Michael Jackson”)

The Quindoys were indeed squeezing maximal publicity out of their story. On September 28, 1993 they arranged their second press conference, this time to announce that they were going to file a lawsuit against Michael Jackson for slander and libel, though their problem was actually Anthony Pellicano.

As we already know the Quindoys had a history with Pellicano, but following their first press conference Pellicano called them “cockroaches and failed extortionists”, after which they announced their plans to sue Michael Jackson “to get the head of Pellicano.”

By Deseret News Sep 28, 1993, 12:00am MDT  (Tuesday)

JACKSON CASE: A Philippine man who accused Michael Jackson of fondling young boys at his Neverland Valley ranch said Tuesday he had given detectives evidence that could lead to criminal charges against the singer. Mariano Quindoy also said he planned to file slander and libel suits in the Philippines and the United States against Jackson and his spokesperson, Anthony Pelicano, for allegedly calling him a “failed extortionist” after he made his allegations earlier this month.

The second press conference was also widely reported by the press. The AP archive has a shotlist of the ABC 20 minute-long TV report about the Quindoys:

Source: ABC News

 Date: 28/09/1993 15:02 PM

Shotlist

FTG FOR CS ON FORMER MICHAEL JACKSON EMPLOYEES MARK AND FAYE QUINDOY WHO CLAIM JACKSON PERFORMED QUESTIONABLE ACTS W/ CHILDREN

00:00:13 TWO SHOT OF MARK QUINDOY AND ATTORNEY IN ROOM

00:00:37 TWO SHOT OF FAYE AND MARK QUINDOY SEATED IN ROOM

00:01:09 MCU OF MARK QUINDOY AS HE TELLS ATTORNEY INVESTIGATOR ANTHONY PELLICANO IS THE MOUTHPIECE OF MICHAEL JACKSON

00:01:21 MCU OF ATTORNEY WHO SAYS HE IS THINKING OF FILING A CIVIL SUIT AGAINST JACKSON BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET THE HEAD OF PELLICANO

00:01:37 HEAD ON OF QUINDOYS AT PC / MARK QUINDOY DELIVERS STATEMENT

00:02:03 SHOT PULLS INTO MCU OF MARK QUINDOY AS HE SAYS THERE HAS BEEN QUESTIONS AS TO THEIR MOTIVES REGARDING THIS CONTROVERSY INVOLVING MICHAEL JACKSON IN HIS CHILD MOLESTATION CASES

00:03:20 MARK QUINDOY SAYS THEY WILL SOON FILE CHARGES AGAINST PELLICANO FOR LIBEL

00:11:10 HE SAYS THEY WERE ESTATE MANAGERS FOR MICHAEL JACKSON

00:11:45 TWO SHOTS OF MARK AND FAYE QUINDOY

00:12:27 HEAD ON OF QUINDOY / HE SAYS THEY TOLD LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT (LAPD) EVERYTHING THEY KNOW

0:14:37 HE SAYS THEY ARE FILING SUIT AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON AND PELLICANO FOR DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER

00:19:09 QUINDOY SAYS MICHAEL JACKSON’S ABUSE OF CHILDREN HAS GONE ON FROM THE FIRST DAY OF HIS EMPLOY W/ JACKSON UNTIL THE TIME HE LEFT

00:19:33 HE SAYS MY WIFE AND I WERE WITNESSES NOT VICTIMS

When the Quindoys’ nephew Glen Veneracion heard of their activities he was so appalled that he contacted Anthony Pellicano and said he was ready to testify against his uncle and aunt if the case went to court.

According to Lisa Campbell’s 1994 book “The King of Pop’s darkest hour” Veneracion said he was ashamed to be related to these people and as a student of law doubted the credibility of their story:

Glen Veneracion, a law student and nephew to the Quindoys, told interviewers his aunt and uncle were opportunists and they were an embarrassment, “I just feel bad that this is happening. I’m ashamed. I’m ashamed to be related to these people. I’m ashamed for the people in our country. It’s an embarrassment. It really is.”

He described the Quindoys antics as a desperate attempt to make money, “What disturbs me the most out of all of this is that they waited so long. Why did it take them three years to come up with these allegations? That’s what really is disturbing. If this was true, they should have come out with it a long time ago instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

They never said that Michael was a pedophile, they never said that Michael was gay, so I don’t know where this is coming from. I find it shocking. It’s very disturbing to me.”

Veneracion went to Pellicano with his statement and established the lack of credibility of the Quindoys. He answered questions concerning the diary the Quindoys claimed to have kept, “I’m quite sure they wrote that diary to fit in with these allegations. He was gonna get it at any cost. And that’s what’s coming out now.” Veneracion was willing to testify in any court proceedings, “I’d be willing to step forward in a court of law and make these allegations.”

Indeed, imagine a lawyer being a witness to certain crimes and just calmly putting everything down in his diary instead of reporting it to the authorities? And then speaking favorably about the alleged perpetrator for three years and only then producing the damning document?

No wonder that when four years later Mark Quindoy offered his diary for sale no one got interested. However this lack of interest could also be due to the asking price – the Quindoys’ pricelist was constantly changing and this time they wanted 15 million pounds or roughly $20 million dollars for the publication.

Yan Halperin makes an incredulous note about it:

Four years later, Mark Quindoy hired a book agent and attempted to sell his so-called diary for the staggering sum of £15 million, promising to expose his “intimate insight” into the singer’s sexual preferences through his book, “Malice in Neverland.” Among the purported highlights of the book was his claim that Jackson had flown to London where surgeons removed distinguishing marks from his penis. There were no offers.

And it would be fine if the story ended there. But it didn’t.

TWELVE YEARS LATER

When the Arvizo absurd case led to criminal charges against Michael Jackson, Tom Sneddon took the chance and included Mariano “Mark” Quindoy’s statement into his #1108 Motion, as well as everything else they considered so-called “prior offenses” by Michael Jackson.

The Prosecution Motion was made on December 10, 2004, and filed on December 20th, however more than a month earlier bad news came from the Philippines – Mariano “Mark” Quindoy reportedly died on November 9, 2004 and could not take part in the court proceedings for natural reasons.

This demanded a change in the Prosecution strategy, but Tom Sneddon was unperturbed and still included Quindoy’s statement into their Motion presenting him as a possible witness.

The prosecution Motion of December 10, 2004 said:

“Mr. Quindoy will also testify concerning a number of events, evidence of which does not constitute “evidence of another sexual offense” within the meaning of Evidence Code section 1108″ etc.

 

Three months later, in March 2005 he simply informed the judge that Mariano Quindoy, same as Charlie Michaels, “will not be called.” Here is an excerpt from that Notice:

Two of the witnesses listed in the pending motion (i.e. Orietta Murdoch and Mariano “Mark” Quindoy) will not be called.

Dated: March 16, 2005.

Respectfully submitted,

Thomas W. Sneddon, Jr. District Attorney

 

I rule out the possibility that a month after Mark Quindoy’s death the Prosecution still had no idea that their key witness was gone.

But why then did Tom Sneddon include the statement of a witness he knew he could not call?

The goal was to eat the pie and have it too. Sneddon presented Quindoy’s uncorroborated allegations to the judge and later to the media and public (when the Motion was unsealed, leaked, etc.), at the same time effectively robbing Michael Jackson of a chance to refute Quindoy’s allegations. The witness was not there, but his statement was, thus giving no opportunity to cross-examine and challenge the witness’s story.

Tom Sneddon did the same trick at the 2005 trial with the photos of Michael Jackson’s genitalia taken in 1993. The law says that the photos could be admitted into evidence only if there was a witness to give his own description. But Jordan Chandler refused to testify and though Tom Sneddon had been perfectly aware of it since September 2004, he still pretended he wanted to introduce those photos at the end of the trial. The judge naturally turned it down, but everyone was left under the impression that “the key evidence” was withheld from the jury purely for technical reasons.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Tom Sneddon never really intended to use those photos as they were to prove Michael Jackson’s innocence in the first place. All that drama was created for publicity and publicity alone. And besides the absence of Jordan Chandler one more reason why we know of Sneddon’s intention to never really introduce the photos was the absence of other witnesses – the photographer and doctor who were the only ones present during Michael Jackson’s strip search. Their authentication of those photos was necessitated by the law because otherwise any man’s genitalia could be presented as “evidence.”  However Sneddon didn’t make even the slightest attempt to call them (see here for details).

Tom Sneddon needed neither witnesses, nor photos – all he was wanted was negative publicity about Michael Jackson created virtually out of thin air.

The same was done with Mariano “Mark” Quindoy. The witness was dead, but it didn’t matter as it was his statement that was meant to work against MJ. And whether it was corroborated or not didn’t matter either.

And now indeed this statement is living a life of its own. When James Safechuck and Wade Robson made their U-turn against Jackson they got familiar with the Quindoy’s allegations and used them as their inspiration. This is how James Safechuck’s scene at the pool arose and how his comparison with “newlyweds” came into being. Similarly, some details of Mariano “Mark” Quindoy’s statement can now be easily recognized in Wade Robson’s story.

This is actually a well-tested method of making their never-ending lies about Jackson.

First somebody lied about Michael Jackson in 1993 in the hope of getting millions. The same lies, often in their exaggerated form, were repeated at the 2005 trial and its various Prosecution Motions. And years later the two bastards used the same papers to structure their own allegations about Michael Jackson – in the hope of getting hundreds of millions this time.

And the unsuspecting public still wonders how Mark Quindoy could “know” in 1993 what these bastards are claiming today? There is no way for these parallel stories to be inconsistent because these guys are using the old lies, unfortunately elaborated in great detail in books, documents and prosecution statements.

And it is only the blunders made by the first liars which give away the pattern used – if their blunder is repeated by the current accusers we can be one hundred per cent sure that they used the initial lies as a blueprint for their own.

 

What Do We Know About Mariano “Mark” Quindoy? Part 1

October 31, 2019

Recently I came across an interview of Mariano “Mark” Quindoy, a former housekeeper at Neverland and his wife Ofelia “Faye” Quindoy who worked at Neverland as chef. The video claims that the Quindoys were employed at the ranch for two years and shows Mariano “Mark” Quindoy saying that during his time at the ranch he eye-witnessed a scene in the pool area where Michael Jackson allegedly kissed a boy and put his hand into the boy’s pants. The name of the boy was not specified.

Mariano “Mark” Quindoy on Current Affair, Jan.17, 1994

This previously unknown video is a clip from the Current Affair program dated January 17, 1994, but it surfaced only recently sparking off numerous exclamations from its viewers like “Shocking”, “Never seen this before. I can’t believe some people think he’s innocent”, “Why the hell did they stay silent?” etc.

It just happened that right at that time I was also rereading the Prosecution Motion of December 10, 2004 introducing the so-called “Prior Bad Acts” into the forthcoming Michael Jackson trial (also known as #1108 Motion), and the details and wording of the statement of the same Mariano “Mark” Quindoy in that paper made it clear that Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories in the “Leaving Neverland” film are for the most part based on Quindoy’s claims – up to the description of some scenes repeated by these two characters almost verbatim.

This suddenly made Mariano “Mark” Quindoy big news again, so we need to closely look into this character and his story, especially into that striking episode near the pool area which Quindoy allegedly observed at Neverland and which, according to #1108 Motion, supposedly involved Jimmy Safechuck. It is the same episode as the one in the video, only described in the prosecution paper in much more detail.

This is what the Motion says about Mariano “Mark” Quindoy’s version of the events:

“On August 12, 1989, Michael Jackson told Mr. Quindoy that he “planned to go into the spa [Jacuzzi]” area with Jimmy Safechuck.  Quindoy said that “going to the spa” was understood by him and Jackson’s other employees as a coded order that they should not go near the pool or barbecue area where the spa was situated. Mr. Quindoy noted in his diary that the evening of the 12th he was on the second floor of the recreation room (the video arcade building), across from the barbecue court near the pool. At approximately 9:00 p.m., Mr. Quindoy looked out of the second-floor window and saw Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck standing in the knee-deep water of the Jacuzzi in their shorts. The recreation room is adjacent to the swimming pool, and the Jacuzzi is on the far side of the pool. The Jacuzzi area is well lit. Jackson and the young boy were hugging each other “like they were newlyweds.” Jackson was standing behind Jimmy Safechuck and Mr. Quindoy saw that he had one hand down the front of Jimmy’s underpants and was manipulating the boy’s genitalia.”

“Like they were newlyweds”? What a familiar wording, first heard by us from James Safechuck in the “Leaving Neverland” feature film. When we were watching it, this phrase sounded extremely odd to us because as a boy he would not know what it is to be “like newlyweds”.

Imagine a really sexually abused kid saying of his or her childhood experience: “We were like newlyweds” and you will realize the dissonance between the age of the victim and the description. These are not the words of a child – these are the words of an adult who observed (or said he observed) it from aside. And whether true or not, now we know that this adult was Mariano “Mark” Quindoy.

Okay, let us go to the scene of the crime then and see the area described by Quindoy. Fortunately now we have splendid pictures of Neverland and can inspect the place from almost every angle – the thing that was impossible to do in the 1990s and even the 2000s.

This is the way the pool area and the arcade building looked several years ago (a shot from the Neverland booklet):

The author of this photo is standing exactly behind the open-air Jacuzzi which is a small pool decorated with rocks and seen at the bottom of the picture. Of course the photographer’s position is not knee deep in the Jacuzzi, but the picture is still taken from approximately the same level and angle where MJ and Jimmy Safechuck were allegedly standing.

And here is the view of the same Jacuzzi from the opposite side (behind it is the barbecue area):

Going back to the first photo we see a pool behind the Jacuzzi and then the video arcade building from which Mr. Quindoy allegedly saw that heart-breaking scene.

Well, the video arcade building is there, but where is the second-floor window from which Mr. Quindoy was looking?

What we see there is only the roof, and it is only after a closer look that we realize that there must be a window on the second floor, only it is closed from view by a tree standing right in the way between the window and Jacuzzi.

The picture taken in winter time when the tree is leafless shows that there is indeed a window there. This is the way the area looks on a sunny winter day (the Jacuzzi is to the left of the pool):

So in winter the tree no longer blocks the view from the second floor, however Mariano Quindoy alleges that he was there on August 12th when the tree was still in full leaf. And this is not to mention the rather big distance between the two points that wouldn’t allow him to see the details in any case.

I’ve tried several pictures of this area, but the result was always the same – whatever took place in the Jacuzzi on a summer evening could not be seen from the second floor of the video arcade building because of the tree fully blocking the view, at least in the past 15-20 years.

But Mariano Quindoy says he observed the scene in August 1989, and that was 30 years ago, so in theory the tree could be not that high at the time and it could probably not block the view then.

This possibility should be explored by all means, but where can we see the same area the way it was 30 years ago? Probably only in Michael Jackson’s old home videos… Oh, here it is – the video made at Neverland at Easter time, on March 31, 1991, which is practically only one summer season after August 1989 described by Mark Quindoy.

This home video shows the fun Michael Jackson and many children – boys and girls of different ages and skin color, including Brett Barnes – had at Neverland while hunting for 45 eggs hidden by the staff in various places in the pool area.In the following shot Michael Jackson and Brett Barnes are putting into the basket the eggs they have collected (Michael found one while Brett found seven) and we see them standing near the barbecue kitchen with their backs to the arcade building:

And surprisingly, behind their backs we see not one, but two trees growing in front of that building. And they are already high enough to block the view from the second-floor window. Apparently some time later one of the trees was removed as they were indeed too close to each other, but while both were there their summer foliage must have been very dense indeed.

Mind you that the video is dated March 31, so the trees are only budding out and by August they will form a solid green wall fully blocking the view of the Jacuzzi. And remember that this was only one summer season after the alleged event described by Mark Quindoy.

So what do these photos tell us about?

They tell us that the dramatic scene described by Mariano “Mark” Guindoy in his interview and Prosecution Motion is a lie.

What Mark Quindoy allegedly saw from that window was physically impossible to see – especially in the evening and even despite the lights. He simply invented the whole thing, same as that catch phrase about the “newlyweds” later learned by James Safechuck from Quindoy’s statement and then reproduced in Dan Reed’s film.

But this is not all.

The photos with a tree blocking the view also tell us that Mark Quindoy invented his story post-factum, when he no longer had a chance to check it up and see whether it was physically possible to observe anything from that window. He had no respective photos of Neverland and had to rely only on his memory, hoping that his stories would be never tested and verified.

And since he had to rely on his memory, it means that his so-called diary was not kept since his first days at the ranch as he later claimed – it was written after he left his employment at Neverland. And this turns his diary into another of his lies.

EMPLOYMENT

If you have a closer look at Quindoy’s story you will realize that there isn’t a single straight point about it and even the period of their employment at Neverland is variable and is a matter of controversy.

Indeed, how long did the Quindoys work at Neverland?

The answer is not as easy as you might expect it. It ranges from 6 months to 5 years depending on the circumstances, Quindoys’ interests and wish to exaggerate.

For example, on Hard Copy program airing on February 5, 1992 when their employment was already over, Mark Quindoy mentioned only 6 months of working for Michael Jackson. It was a spontaneous reply and its spontaneity adds to its value and turns it into a remarkable revelation. Someone on the program asked him if Michael Jackson was in a relationship with a woman and he answered, “I don’t think so” and then added, “Being there 6 months we would be in a position to know”.

In contradiction to that James Safechuck’s complaint says that Mark Quindoy worked at Neverland for about a year – from May 1989 to April 1990. In this piece devoted to Mark Quindoy he is describing exactly the same episode in the Jacuzzi that we started with, apparently quoting it from Quindoy’s statement (incidentally “Leaving Neverland” will have another version):

 

The Prosecution #1108 Motion extends the Quindoys’ period of work for Jackson a bit further – to a year and three months and says that they commenced their employment on May 25, 1989 and terminated it on August 30, 1990.

 

The media quickly changed it into two years, claiming that they began working in May 1988 and ever since then these “two years of employment” at Neverland have become the media standard.

 

But in her 2005 book Diane Dimond went much further than all the rest of them and stretched the period to four years, claiming that the Quindoys worked for Jackson in 1987–1991, and presented it as Mark Quindoy’s own statement made at their 1993 press conference in Manila.

Mariano Quindoy, from DD's book Fragment about the period they worked at Neverland

This press conference was also the first time Mark Quindoy made his allegations against Michael Jackson producing as if by some miracle the diary he had allegedly kept since day one with MJ.

Diane Dimond says about it:

Mark and Faye Quindoy were living in the Philippines when the allegations against Michael Jackson hit the headlines in late August 1993. They were not surprised, and they called a news conference in Manila in late September to tell the world as much.

Holding what he said was his personal diary in his outstretched hand, Mark Quindoy announced that when he and his wife had served as the estate managers at the rambling Neverland Valley Ranch from 1987 to 1991, they had seen and heard so many disturbing things with regard to Michael Jackson and his “special friends” that he had decided to write them all down. It begged the question: Why hadn’t he and his wife gone to the police with their claims? Their answer was that they didn’t think they’d be believed and they feared they’d lose their jobs if they came forward. This diary was later given to California law enforcement.”

Remember that Quindoys most probably worked at Neverland for 6 months only, and initially there was no diary as our small experiment with the window shows it (the most he could note at the time was which of the guests would arrive and when), so the whole narrative Mark Quindoy came up with in 1993 was fiction.

And if Diane Dimond’s timeline is correct, the diary should have covered the years 1987-88 and 1991 too when the couple didn’t work at Neverland at all even according to the prosecution version. Some people have the nerve…

But even those four years were not enough for the media – in their frenzy over the Arvizo allegations they quoted the Quindoys again and turned the period of their work for Jackson into 5 years, extending it to 1992.

See how easy it is to tell lies about Michael Jackson? 6 months can turn into 5 years as if by a magic band – everybody simply copy pastes the earlier story, which was already false, and adds a little lie of their own.

Like this paper in 2003 for example:

“The former employee, who worked for Jackson from 1987 to 1992, said he was not surprised by the current case.  He said he had extensive access to the ranch and was an “eye witness” to Jackson’s acts, the paper said.  [ ] Quindoy quit in 1992 after Jackson failed to pay him overtime wages.

https://www.wnd.com/2003/11/22042/

So how long did the Quindoys really work at Neverland? The most realistic period is between 6 months and a year, but for the sake of convenience let us adhere to the official version of their employment stated in the Prosecution Motion (May 25, 1989 – August 30, 1990), also keeping in mind that for some reason Safechuck shortened that period by four months – to April 1990. This correction is strange as Safechuck, same as Robson, was provided with the prosecution papers by Ron Zonen and could have simply copied the date, but he did not – and we should find out why.

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Now that we have a little more clarity about the time the Quindoys worked for Michael Jackson, let’s see how Mariano “Mark” Quindoy found himself at Neverland at all.

He was a Bachelor of Law, but the prosecution was somewhat shy to mention it. A lawyer is expected to be always guided by the law if he sees some impropriety, and this was obviously not Mariano Quindoy’s case. And this is probably why the Prosecution Motion never mentioned Quindoy’s original profession and said that the couple was running “a picture frame business” in California when they heard of a vacancy at Neverland:

“In 1989 Mariano and Ofelia Quindoy learned that Michael Jackson was looking for an estate manager at Neverland Valley Ranch. At the time they were operating a picture frame business in Glendale, California. They met with Mr. Jackson, and several days later they were offered the job to work for Michael Jackson as estate managers. They commenced their employment on May 25, 1989. The Quindoys’ job duties included welcoming guests and celebrities visiting the ranch, preparing the guest quarters, and responding to Jackson’s needs and those of his guests after-hours, when the day staff had gone home.”

A short correction to the above – they weren’t the estate managers. She was a cook and he was a housekeeper. His job duty was to welcome Michael Jackson’s guests and respond to his and his guests’ needs, mostly after the usual working hours.

Their termination could easily be a dismissal though they claimed that they quit of their own free will. Let it be their way, but what was the reason for their leave? The answer to this question is as variable as everything else regarding Quindoys and ranges from “they quit on moral grounds” (false) to disagreements with other Neverland employees and a pay dispute (true).

After they left their employment the Quindoys filed a lawsuit against Michael Jackson claiming that he owed them unpaid wages for overtime, even though it was Mark’s direct duty to “respond to Jackson’s needs and those of his guests after-hours when the day staff had gone home” as we’ve just read.

Initially the sum of the claim was unspecified but many years later Diane Dimond named the figure of $283,000 explaining it by the nearly unbearable work conditions the Quindoys complained about at their Manila press conference. Diane Dimond is clearly sympathetic to the exploited couple:

“Mark and Faye Quindoy said they quit working at the ranch in 1991, thinking that Jackson’s activities with young boys would certainly catch up with him. Now that the allegations of Jordie Chandler had made worldwide headlines, they said they felt it safe to tell the public what they knew.

The problem with the Quindoys’ story was their ongoing battle to get Jackson to pay them the $283,000 they claimed he owed them in “unpaid overtime wages.” They didn’t try to hide that fact; they openly spoke about how they had been forced to be on call around the clock, even on scheduled days off, during their tenure with Jackson. They had added up all those extra hours and come up with the $283,000 figure. As they told their stunning story to the media, they were still actively engaged in trying to get the money they felt they were owed.

Their legal battle gave the Jackson camp all the ammunition they needed. They were immediately labeled as “disgruntled former employees” and “failed extortionists” in a public statement delivered by Anthony Pellicano.”

So from their termination in 1990 and through the year 1993 the Quindoys were involved in a legal battle with Michael Jackson for the sum of $283,000 which they considered their unpaid overtime wages.

In this context it is exceptionally interesting that even despite that legal battle, or probably due to it, the Quindoys started making TV appearances in 1992, speaking about Michael Jackson very favorably though.

THEIR FIRST ROUND OF THE MEDIA

In February 1992 the Quindoys appeared on Hard Copy in a story presented by Doug Bruckner. There wasn’t a single bad word said about Michael Jackson – both Quindoys smiled a lot, spoke about Michael Jackson’s chimps, about serving him food named after Disney characters, about his famous guests – Marlon Brando (who ate non-stop until midnight), Elizabeth Taylor (who wasn’t like a prima donna, but was a very down-to-earth person) and La Toya who was never invited to Neverland (she was banned there after her tell-all book about the family and a Playboy spread).

Here are some details of that program:

At 2:15 mark Quindoy is asked if Michael Jackson is in a relationship with a woman and answers, “I don’t think so” revealing to us his 6 months of work for Michael Jackson: “Being there 6 months we would be in a position to know”.

At 3:05 he says how funny it was to see Michael Jackson with seven or eight six-year olds who were always clinging to his pants.

At 3:20 he says that Michael would write lyrics on the walls of his bedroom and sometimes on the white sheets on his bed.

At 4:05 he says that Michael Jackson wore a surgical mask a lot. “This is one of his disguises.” And adds as a kind of a joke: “Some friends and people have asked me whether it was true that his nose was falling off”.

At 4:30 he says that on the first day of their stay at Neverland they were terrified to learn that Michael Jackson was the only person who never cared for food. “He didn’t care for food at all.”

Faye Quindoy: “We would ask him about lunch or dinner, and he would gently say, ‘Oh thank you. I’m not hungry yet.’  “And we named all the food, from soup to dessert after Disney characters.”

At 5:30 Mark Quindoy says that when they shopped for food if celebrities were to come, they would buy a lot of meat and steaks, and when Michael would pass by he would go: “Wow. Mark, is this for the lions?” “No, Mr. Jackson, it is for the guests”, I’d say” (smiles)

At 6:00 he talks about Michael being scared of dogs, so there was a prohibition for guests to bring in dogs.

At 6:50 he says that Michael’s chimp sometimes slept in his bed and when the chimp got wet they would change the diapers and take the chimp away to the caretaker (smiles).

At 7: 11 he says that Michael was a very private person and he would probably hate it if he was seen without his make-up on.

At 7:45 he speaks about Marlon Brando and his incredible eating habits.

At 9:05 Quindoy leans forward and says with a look of confidence on his face that he thinks that Michael Jackson “was pretty much like a kid.”

At about 10:00 he speaks about the television sets around the spa and hidden in the rocks. “With a push on the button the video and a TV set will come out.”

At 10:58 he says about MJ’s child guests aged 6-11: “He would call me and say, “Please, Mark give them freedom.  Don’t say to them – don’t do this, don’t do that – just give them freedom. I like the kids to enjoy themselves.”

At 11:50 he mentions Liz Taylor who was recovering from a bad pneumonia: “We were offering to bring her food to the guest house because she was just from the hospital, but she said she would rather eat by the kitchen, she did not want to inconvenience anyone”

At 12:50 he says that he never saw La Toya at Neverland. “Otherwise all family members have been there. Mom and dad, brothers, the wives, the children…”

At 13:13 he says that Michael liked to play games in his room, he threw towels, his underwear and whatever he wore – he loved that. And this is when he says with a smile and a noticeable emphasis on his words: “You know, I think he is pretty much like a kid”.

13: 40 he says Michael used disguises, an Afro wig and false teeth that looked so funny –“like fangs.” “I’d say to him, everyone knows that you are Michael Jackson”.

Then some ladies from a neighboring town talk about running into him on one occasion. “He was wearing so big a nose that you wouldn’t like to look at him”. They realized that it was Michael Jackson only when they heard his voice.

14:40 Mark and Faye Quindoy say they never got close to Michael as he always kept to himself. At this point Mark Quindoy imitates Michael’s manner by looking at the ground and saying timidly, occasionally looking up: “He would look down every time he asked me a question and say, ‘Mark, do you know what time dinner is at?’ Something like this all the time.”

At 14:50 the reporter says that “Mark and Faye left the ranch six months ago before Michael really made eye contact.  But they’ll never forget what a special person their former employer is. Or that time at 5 in the morning when the phone woke them up out of a sound sleep and Michael was on the other end.”

Faye Quindoy: ‘He said, “Oh Faye, I just want to tell you that I love Mark and you very much.”

On this positive note the Hard Copy report ended. Children as Michael Jackson’s favorite company were also talked about, mostly by the narrator, but the only boys mentioned as Michael’s pals were Macaulay Culkin, Emmanuel Lewis and the AIDS victim Ryan White.

What attracted my attention here is that in 1992 there was already no love lost between La Toya and MJ, so her 1993 outbreak against her brother could also stem there; that the Quindoys lied about their time at Neverland again as they claimed they left six months prior to the program which makes it August 1991 instead of August 1990; and that it is quite possible that Michael’s “I-love-you” call at 5 in the morning could be one of those instances for which they charged him for overtime.

And though the Quindoys were all smiles, the fact that all of a sudden they chose to go on TV, years after they left their employment and while still litigating Michael Jackson, looks to me like a veiled threat message to MJ that they could go to the media any time, and if he didn’t pay him what they wanted, they could sing a different tune.

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Half a year later there was another program with the Quindoys’ participation. On July 24, 1992 they went on Geraldo’s show  called “Servants to the Stars”.

Their story was essentially the same, up to Mariano Quindoy again mentioning 6 months of being around Michael Jackson. In the original version of Geraldo’s program (which now looks shortened) a girl in the audience asked the Quindoys when Michael would marry and Mark Quindoy replied that he didn’t know if Michael would marry at all, adding that in 6 months he hadn’t seen any girlfriends.

I wonder why the journalists never asked Quindoy why he always spoke about 6 months at Neverland though his official version was two years of work there?

Another interesting episode at Geraldo took place at 31:40 – 32:00 of the show. Mark Quindoy was describing Michael Jackson’s bedroom and said:

“He’s got another bedroom inside his bedroom. The second bedroom would have like a flight of steps that would lead to the Shirley Temple room, where he has black and white pictures of Shirley Temple and usually Michael would let his young guests stay in that room.”

http://index.geraldo.com/page/servants-to-the-stars

The importance of the above statement can be understood only if you compare it with the Prosecution 1108 Motion where Mark Quindoy claimed that during the month he and his wife cleaned Michael’s bedroom they never saw the bed on the second floor being slept in:

“Michael Jackson told the Quindoys that Jimmy Safechuck slept in the Shirley Temple room, a bedroom located upstairs but within Jackson’s private quarters. However the Quindoys found this not to be true. During the month that Mark and Ofelia cleaned Jackson’s private quarters, cleaning the Shirley Temple room was part of their responsibilities. They went there every day and observed that the bed was not slept in.”

This was said in 2004, but in 1992 Mariano Quindoy volunteered to Geraldo the opposite version.

Another surprising fact stated in the above excerpt from the Prosecution Motion is that the Quindoys allegedly cleaned Michael Jackson’s room “for a month” though all along it was the responsibility of Blanca Francia, Michael’s personal maid. The Motion explained it as follows:

“Approximately one month after the Quindoys began their employment, Blanca Francia, Michael Jackson’s personal maid, went on a month-long vacation to El Salvador. She was the only person allowed in Jackson’s private quarters, and in her absence, the Quindoys were assigned to clean the area.”

To be frank, this story doesn’t sound too credible to me.

It is hard to believe that only a month after the Quindoys began working at the ranch Michael Jackson would select them to clean his room while Blanca Francia was absent. There was a team of maids at Neverland whose job was to clean, dust and wash, and it sounds ridiculous that the new employees whose job duties had nothing to do with cleaning, were entrusted with taking care of Michael’s bedroom. Inviting total strangers to his private quarters, especially at a time when Jimmy Safechuck allegedly stayed there is a somewhat strange decision, especially for someone who was supposed to be obsessed with “security” according to the current Safechuck story. How could MJ be sure that these newcomers would not go to the media immediately after that?

This makes their bedroom story highly questionable and considering Mark Quindoy’s previous lies – the diary that appeared from nowhere, the scene at the pool that was impossible to see, and variability of his statements about everything else, I am not inclined to take his story at its face value.

Absolutely not.

THE MONEY TRAIL

Besides the official sum of $283,000 claimed from Michael Jackson for overtime, the remaining scraps of information tell us that the Quindoys were shaking the media for other substantial sums.

In her “Nightmare in Neverland” article of January 1994 Maureen Orth says that Geraldo Rivera confirmed to her “through a member of his staff” that “the Quindoys had disclosed to him these same allegations about Jackson at the time they appeared on his show Now It Can Be Told a year and a half ago. But on-camera they gave no hint of any of this. The reason was that they wanted to be paid $25,000.”

The above piece is of course about Geraldo’s show Servants to the Stars of July 1992, already mentioned in this post, but let us not pick at Maureen Orth’s inaccuracy – she is known to make bigger blunders and tell much grosser lies. The real problem with her claim is that this confirmation did not come directly from Geraldo and was provided by an anonymous “member of his staff”.

But if we are to believe this anonymous person the Quindoys were ready to tell a much juicier story about Michael Jackson for $25,000 if Geraldo had given it to them.

However the problem, yet unknown to Maureen Orth, was that by the time of the Geraldo show the Quindoys had already got $25,000 from another media source, but even then they didn’t say a single bad word about Michael Jackson. What a surprise indeed!

This amazing fact was revealed in the Frontline documentary “Tabloid Truth: The Michael Jackson Story” which aired in February 1994, a month after Maureen Orth’s story.

The Sun correspondent said there that they had started their dealings with the Quindoys “two and a half – three years ago” which makes it 1991-1992. Eventually the Sun signed a contract with the Quindoys for $25,000 who pledged to tell the full and frank account of their lives beside Michael Jackson.

Allan Hall, the tabloid journalist who was the first to interview the Quindoys was clearly disappointed with their story and almost complained to the Frontline that even for money the Quindoys didn’t provide any sensations.

“I was working then for The Sun. The Sun drew up a contract for $25,000, and I spent some time with them in Los Angeles doing the Life and Times of Michael Jackson, which was all, hey, isn’t he whacky! He’s got, you know, speakers in the hibiscus plants that play Beethoven’s Fifth in the morning, and he doesn’t get up before midday. He’s got dollar bills that he tears up and throws in the air like confetti. What a great, what a gasp – but nothing anti. It was very, very high, upbeat.

[They] didn’t have a bad word to say about the guy, not one bad thing. That he was just a kind man with children, basically. They had signed a contract to say they would tell the full and frank account of their lives and clearly from what later transpired they didn’t, if what they’re telling now is the truth. They’re two people whom I wouldn’t trust at all. And I think they really have gone to town to do Michael Jackson down for the mighty dollar. Now, they see money again being offered around and they want some more. I think they’re greedy people.”

How much more money did the Quindoys want and when?

The answer to “when” is the year 1993 of course, when they changed their story into its opposite. As to how much more they wanted, the new figure was incomparable with their earlier prices – after their U-turn against Jackson they wanted $900,000.

We learn the figure from no other than Diane Dimond who speaks about it in the 1994 Frontline documentary. This was the younger version of Diane Dimond who did occasionally tell some truth – in her later book published in 2005 she was already cautious enough to mention only the official $283,000 sum of the Quindoys’ lawsuit but say no word about the additional $900,000 they demanded for an updated story. But in the Frontline documentary she did speak about that sum.

Diane Dimond at 29:50:

“The Quindoys at first wanted $900,000. Where they got that figure I have no idea. It came down to half a million.”

The figure later dropped to $500,000 and then to $250,000, and in the end the Quindoys got nothing. The crucial detail overlooked by the Quindoys was that both the Sun with whom they already had a contract and to whom they had sold a nice story about MJ and the News of the World to whom they took their new horror version of the same, belonged to Rupert Murdoch and were part of one corporation. So the News of the World simply used their old contract with the Quindoys and published their new allegations without any additional pay to their authors.

The Sun reporters explained it in the Frontline documentary:

Diane Dimond: The Quindoys at first wanted $900,000. Where they got that figure I have no idea. It came down to half a million.

Stuart White, correspondent of The News of the world: “When they negotiated with us I think they were asking [ ] for a quarter of a million dollars. [ ] “…the Quindoys, unfortunately, were not acting totally in good faith.”

After he had heard most of the Quindoys’ story White’s London office suddenly ordered him home. News of the World splashed Quindoys big time – three pages without any payment! The lawyers said there was no need to pay – the Quindoys and the Company already had a history. [ ] The London Sun and News of the World are owned by one company – Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation.

THE U-TURN

The few bits and pieces still available to us say that Quindoys made their U-turn against Jackson immediately after the Chandler allegations broke and from then on their story only went from bad to worse.

On September 5, 1993 Mark Quindoy announced their plans to share more information about Michael Jackson. The announcement sounded like nothing terrible – he just said that “things were uncommon”, “things were a little weird”, “there were some abnormalities” and that sometimes Jackson “was mischievous”.

Quindoy promised to tell “nothing but the truth” and immediately broke his promise by saying that “he and his wife were the only staff who had access to Jackson’s bedroom” which was a flat lie of course, but a sure bait for the media.

The Reuter correspondent noted that Mark Quindoy was wearing a huge diamond ring and a heavy jeweled gold bracelet. This made me look at Mark Quindoy’s earlier photos and realize that this was his standard outfit.

This report about Mark Quindoy announcing their intentions has been retrieved from the Palm Beach Post.

The Palm Beach Post

Monday, September 6, 1993

Reuter MANILA, Philippines

A Filipino couple who used to run Michael Jackson’s California household said Sunday they would reveal within days what they know about sex abuse charges against the pop superstar. “Things were uncommon. Things were a little weird,” Mark Quindoy said in an interview at the Manila home of a friend. He denied telling a London newspaper he saw Jackson abuse at least three children. “Probably in the next few days I could inform the press and media about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,” he said. Jackson, who took the stage in front of 40,000 fans in Taiwan Saturday night, has denied charges he molested the boy. The singer’s representatives say the accusations are part of an elaborate plot to extort $20 million from Jackson. “I can only say there were some aberrations, some abnormalities, some things that were not normal,” Quindoy said earlier. “We are willing to testify, to shed light on these current events in a U.S. court of law if they find it necessary.” Quindoy, a 59-year-old Filipino’ who wears a huge diamond ring and heavy, jeweled gold bracelet, worked with his wife Faye for Jackson for two years until 1990, running the household at Neverland Valley.

Neverland was a fairy tale, like something out of Peter Pan or Snow White, he said, while Jackson was “mischievous sometimes.” Throughout his time at Neverland, Quindoy said he kept a diary  of what went on at the ranch, where he and his wife were the only staff who had access to Jackson’s bedroom. “We are not people who would sensationalize or exaggerate,” he said. “We are very respectable people.”

Approximately ten days later this was followed by the Quindoys’ press conference.

(to be continued)

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UPDATE Nov.3, 2019:

A reader’s comment suggests that Mark Quindoy could forget what window he was looking from:

“Are there photos or footage of the second floor of the arcade during the late eighties/early nineties? What was up there? Were there any arcade machines up there or anything else that could have blocked the upstairs window from the inside in addition to the trees outside? Were there any arcade blocking the windows below the upstairs window? I know the alleged diary entry said the second floor but I just wanted to know if it is possible to eliminate the possibility of Mark allegedly seeing Michael and Jimmy through that window because I know haters would probably use the excuse that he misremembered where he was in the arcade building.”

The reader is most probably talking about a smaller window on the landing of the stairs that led to the second floor of the arcade building where Mark Quindoy could probably stand and which he later “misremembered.”

Firstly, if it was a diary kept then and there Mark Quindoy shouldn’t have misremembered which window he was looking from. If he put it down the same evening there was no time to forget.

Secondly, the second floor window was specified not only in the alleged diary. It was the description given by Mark Quindoy to the investigators who arrived in Manila and was part of the official witness statement later included in the Prosecution Motion.

Thirdly, in the respective fragment of the Current Affair program Mark Quindoy explains the reason why he was on the second floor at all – he was allegedly checking if the windows were closed, and this is how he happened to look out of the window. Mind you that the window on the landing was never opened – it was partially closed by a big  mannequin of a girl and was simply inaccessible.

Here is a quick transcript of the Current Affair fragment where Mark Quindoy explains what he allegedly saw and why he was on the second floor:

Narrator: It’s not what Quindoy thinks, it’s what he says he saw in the two years that he and his wife worked for Jackson.
Mariano “Mark” Quindoy: From that window you can look down towards the Jacuzzi and I was looking out, you know, checking whether they may have [not] closed the doors and the windows and I was just checking. I looked out and saw Michael with this kid whom I identified as boy No.1.
You know, and I saw them kissing. You know, in the mouth. And I saw Michael holding this kid and putting his hand inside the undergarment of the kid. I thought to myself what [unintelligible] doing that.
And I turned back, sat on the sofa for a while and I looked out again and saw what they were doing. This happened probably for about a minute – a minute and a half, and I decided to get down, and get out from the back door, and I went to my apartment and I told my wife Faye what I had just seen. And this confirmed our worst suspicions about Michael Jackson.

At this point I can’t resist asking – so this confirmed their “worst suspicions” about Michael Jackson, but didn’t prevent them from working for him for a year after that?

But getting back to that window we learn from Mark Quindoy that he “turned back” and “sat on the sofa”, and then “looked out again”, and all of it could certainly take place only on the second floor, and not on the stairs.

Fourthly, the statue of a girl on the landing was quite tall, probably taller than a man of an average height, and Mark Quindoy was short. So he could see nothing from the landing.

And this leaves us with only one possibility – that he went up the steps and was standing on the top of the stairs trying to peep through that smaller window over the head of the mannequin.

But then it begs the question – what for would Mark Quindoy go into so elaborate explanations about the second-floor window, if he could simply say that when going down the stairs he saw all of it in the window on the landing?

Provided he could see anything any details from such a big distance.

~ PICTURES ~

In today’s photos of the arcade building you can hardly imagine what it was like in Michael Jackson’s times:

But back then the inside of this building was so crammed with arcade machines, games, etc. that you could hardly move around. The landing on the stairs was occupied by a life-size mannequin of a girl that partially blocked the small window there.

Below is the inside of the arcade building during Michael Jackson’s times. The window on the landing is marked by an arrow.

The girl mannequin that occupied the landing is shown in the bottom right-hand corner of this collection of photos.

And here is the big window on the second floor of the arcade building (screenshot from the footage of the Neverland ranch police raid in 2003).

The episode when the sheriffs go to the arcade building starts at 7:28 of this video:

You will agree that if we were to choose a better vintage point for watching the Jacuzzi, the window on the landing would be a better choice considering that its view was not blocked by a tree.

But the funny thing here is that what’s obvious to us was not obvious to Mark Quindoy because he didn’t have the pictures of Neverland. And this makes it even clearer that he invented his story post-factum, without seeing what he was talking about. And this is why what he thought was a better view turned out to be the worst option and actually an impossibility to see anything at all.

Danny Wu’s documentary SQUARE ONE about Michael Jackson is a MUST-SEE

October 9, 2019

Danny Wu did a remarkable job.

His SQUARE ONE documentary does away with the allegations against Michael Jackson in a very concise and clear way, and what amazes me most is that despite the documentary being only 1 hour and 20 minutes long he manages to cover it all and not miss a thing. Out of the vast exculpatory materials accumulated since Michael Jackson’s passing, Danny Wu managed to select only the most essential facts and documents that tell the truth about those allegations in their most condensed form.

From what I hear about the author he more or less believed Michael Jackson’s accusers after watching the “Leaving Neverland” fake but since it didn’t feel right for him to just blindly accept it, it triggered off his own research and after an obviously very deep dive into the MJ story he made his rebuttal documentary just in two months – a miraculous phenomenon in and of itself, especially considering how impressive the result is.

Even from this point of view it is totally unlike Dan Reed’s tedious shooting and reshooting of his “Leaving Neverland” scenes intended to present its characters in their most favorable light and give them some semblance of credibility through their endless repetitive lies, which are meant to pass off as “research” that actually never took place there.

It is also funny how Danny Wu manages to be slightly ironic about Dan Reed’s crooked job by imitating his signature aerial views and piano music which adds to this documentary at lot as you can’t help occasionally laughing even despite the seriousness of the subject.

In short the quality, accuracy and standard of research of SQUARE ONE are phenomenal, which make it a must-see for those who never heard MJ’s real story and are ready to leave the nasty media matrix to discover the sensational truth that Michael Jackson was an innocent man.

And even long-time researchers like us can also find in the documentary some new facts to carry on with. Read more…

LIES OF “LEAVING NEVERLAND” and the matter of JOY ROBSON’S HAIRSTYLE

August 29, 2019

Honest people to whom the truth matters are doing so splendid a job of debunking  the lies of Dan Reed’s ‘Leaving Neverland’ film that I can only watch in awe the speed at which they are doing it. Great new videos have been released lately and more are still to come – the ‘Leaving Neverland‘ fakes are indeed an endless source for research and analysis for those who value the truth and reveal it to others.

The thorough shredding of ‘Leaving Neverland’ into pieces seems to have come as a surprise to its authors as well as the mainstream media – none of them expected Michael Jackson’s fans to watch the film in the first place, not to mention the fans’ determination to dissect it.  Of course all those involved in making this fabrication continue to play the old tune, but now they are definitely on the defense and sound more and more like a broken record. Their fake documentary is in rags now because of the numerous holes poked in it, but the liars in and around the film continue to pretend they don’t see anything wrong with it and don’t mind the stench. And this is what backfires most – the more they pretend and censor the voices of reason, the clearer Michael’s innocence is.

Out of the many latest videos debunking Robson’s and Safechuck’s lies the only one available to me is the one called ‘Lies of Leaving Neverland’, released in mid-August, almost on the eve of Michael Jackson’s birthday.

The video is a marvel. It takes only 32 minutes to show the enormity of falsifications in Dan Reed’s film – its numerous contradictions, provable lies, fakes scenes, restaged shoots, reconstructed memories, omission of critical information, manipulation of news clips, use of discredited source materials, key motives ignored and whatnot.

But to me the most stunning discovery of all were the fragments of Robson’s and his mother’s depositions videotaped in 2016 and released only now. Let me tell you – it is one thing to read the tapescripts and it is a totally different thing to see them saying it. Read more…

How the TRUTH of “Chernobyl” Dumped the “Leaving Neverland” FAKE

June 25, 2019

“This is not a film about Michael Jackson. It’s about the Robsons and Safechucks and their encounters with Jackson,” said Dan Reed about his “Leaving Neverland” creation.

Following Reed’s example I will also say that this post is not about Michael Jackson – it is about the two filmmakers whose films are the complete opposites and the only common feature and drawback they share is that both were produced by HBO.

This common production platform is indeed a drawback because the superb accuracy of Craig Mazin’s  “Chernobyl” may lead people to believe that “Leaving Neverland” made by Dan Reed is up to the same standard of factual accuracy. And the glorious effect of one film may reflect on the other though these two films are actually like poles apart – Reed’s so-called documentary is a blatant fake while Craig Mazin’s dramatization movie, which even has some fictional characters, is still breathtakingly authentic and true to life.

Craig Mazin

And this is not to mention the fact that Craig Mazin’s work is up to the highest standards of journalistic and human ethics, while Dan Reed is even unaware of these words.

If you put these films side by side you will also suddenly realize that the tragic but simple truth is much more harrowing than even the most sophisticated and horrible lies. Read more…

„Leaving Neverland“ – after the dust has settled: Fiction and propaganda

June 13, 2019

Meanwhile Dan Reed’s „Leaving Neverland“ has aired in many countries and the dust has settled, presenting a clearer picture of the so-called documentary. The discrepancies and obvious lies in the fiction film have become visible, though not spread everywhere in the media, especially in the US. Apparently it is still not admissible for the mainstream media to talk about the contradictions and implausibilities in the film and explain why not all accusers of sexual abuse have to be believed.

Recently Helena and I have written on a post at the same time, and interestingly we found out that we have included the same topics in it without talking to each other. It showed us that we clearly have the same things on our mind and blindly can complement each other. Helena’s latest post is so important that I decided to add a few things which will corroborate her post and support her statements, especially regarding the propaganda and consensual love issues.
And I do it today on Michael’s acquittal day because in this trial in 2005 his innocence was proven, and Wade Robson had testified for this acquittal. Read more…

The ‘Leaving Neverland’ Fabrication Is Breeding A New Ideology

May 24, 2019

“Nothing binds you except your thoughts; nothing limits you except your fear;

and nothing controls you except your beliefs.”

Marianne Williamson

This post took much, much longer than expected (very sorry for that). When every new day uncovered more and more of Robson’s and Safechuck’s lies, but it still didn’t change anything, I will admit that it was somewhat disheartening to look for the truth.

In circumstances like these it felt like true facts are irrelevant, the feeling all too well known to me from other spheres of life, and it once again raised the question that constantly bothers me – what’s the point of telling people the truth if they prefer lies anyway? Is there a need for facts if all that matters is “who says what” and the impression it produces?

SAFECHUCK’S TRAIN STATION

Safechuck, for example, said that when he was a boy he allegedly “had sex” with MJ at many places at Neverland, including the second floor of the train station where it “happened every day”. The impression produced by his monotonous description of the alleged offense, his detached manner and a weird smile was indescribable:

SAFECHUCK: “At the train station, there’s a room upstairs, and we would have sex up there, too. It would happen every day. It sounds sick, but it’s kind of like when you’re first dating somebody, right, and you do a lot of it. (Chuckles.) So it was very much like that.

Now we know that every word in this story is fiction as the train station was built two years after the alleged relationship stopped, but when you say it to Oprah Winfrey she will answer you that the two years discrepancy is no problem – it doesn’t matter if “it was Wednesday or Thursday” as victims can simply forget. Read more…

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