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PHANTOM ‘VICTIMS’ of Michael Jackson

June 21, 2010

Thanks to David and Suzy we have lots of information on Michael Jackson’ s phantom or non-existent victims. Two such ‘victims’ were already mentioned in the Skepticism post but Michael’s detractors want all of them neatly grouped together, so let us do it – but first let’s see what events preceded the appearance of those so-called victims.

NOVEMBER 19, 2003. The  PRESS CONFERENCE of County District Sheriff Tom Sneddon and County Sheriff Jim Anderson

The press-conference was held the next day after the surprise raid of Neverland of which Michael Jackson knew nothing as he was in Las Vegas at the time, recording “One more chance” and getting ready for the release of his new album.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson opened the press-conference and said an arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson had been issued. The previous day approximately 70 policemen raided Neverland ranch from 8:30 in the morning to 11:00 p.m.  Two more search warrants had been served.

The basis for this investigation regarding Mr. Jackson involved allegations of child molestation, 288(a) of the California penal code.

The bail amount on the warrant had been set at $3mln dollars. Mr. Jackson would be given an opportunity to surrender himself to the custody of the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s department within a specified period of time.

Then the Santa Barbara County District Attorney Thomas Sneddon took the floor. He compared the new case with the one in 1993  and said that there was a big difference between the two:

  • “Number one, it is different because the law in California has changed, and it was changed specifically because of the 1993-94 Michael Jackson investigation. The law in California at that time provided that a child victim could not be forced to testify in a child molest proceeding without their permission and consent and cooperation. As a result of the Michael Jackson case, the legislature changed that law, and that is no longer the law in California”.
  • “Secondly, as you all know, or most of you know, either from being involved, or knowing about that investigation, there were never any charges brought in that investigation. No warrant issued” 

(I am quoting it just in case someone forgot that Michael was never charged in 1993).

The DCFS memo. Click on the image to enlarge it

Michael Jackson was arrested the next day after that, on November 20, 2003 when he flew from Las Vegas specifically to put himself in the hands of the police, was handcuffed, kept in a feces-smeared toilet for 45 minutes, later released on a $3mln. bail – but still no charges were brought against him.

Six days later, on November 26, 2003  the L.A. Department of Children and Family Services released an official statement that the accusations made by the Arvizo family were unfounded.

The official memo issued by DCFS was based on their 2-week long probe conducted jointly by the DCFS and the police half a year ealier, in February 2003 (immediately after Bashir’s film aired) and  quoted the mother of the accuser say that Michael was like a father to the children, that none of them ever shared a bed with him (he always slept on the floor) and the sister had never seen anything inappropriate  between the brothers and the entertainer.

Dr. Charles Sophy, a high-ranking DCFS official, to whom the Memo was addressed

The Smoking Gun explains what “unfounded” accusations actually mean:

” The joint probe by DCFS and the Los Angeles Police Department ran from February 14-27 and, the memo states, the “investigation by the Sensitive Case Unit concluded the allegations of neglect and sexual abuse to be unfounded both by the LAPD-Wilshire Division and the Department.”

“When an investigation is closed, child welfare officials can summarize their findings in one of three ways. If evidence is found to support abuse charges, the case is marked “substantiated.”

A case is termed “not substantiated” when evidence discovered is not sufficient to support allegations (though the charges may, in fact, be true).

Finally, a matter is branded “unfounded” when officials determine there is no merit to the allegations.” http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dcfsmemo1.html)

Tom Sneddon however insisted that there would be charges made against Michael Jackson:

  • “There is a warrant outstanding and I can assure you that within a very short period of time, there will be charges filed against Mr. Jackson. Multiple counts. That’s different” [from the 1993 case].

The November 19, 2003 press conference held by Tom Sneddon and Jim Anderson was magnificent in many ways:  the raid preceding it had been put off for several weeks and was finally appointed for the time exactly prior to the release of Michael’s new album (the official pretext was ” because of all the visitors who had come up here for the Halloween”), Tom Sneddon was in a great mood, made jokes about Michael, and finally said there could be other possible victims.

Since this was probably the main goal of the show Sheriff Jim Andersons invited the nation to participate in the process of finding such victims:

  • “…we would encourage the public to come forward if they have any information whatsoever that would lead us to believe there are other victims in the community…to contact us so that we can follow up on that information”.

So two years prior to the 2005 trial both D.A. Tom Sneddon and Sheriff Jim Anderson were  desperately in need of self-declared victims to support their flimsy Arvizo case and were waiting for the public to help the prosecution…

On November 25, 2003 Nancy Grace was already reporting on Court TV about the numerous calls from potential victims that had come in for the five days since the press-conference:

  • “I found it peculiar when I first heard of it, but after we learned that the sheriff had issued a public statement asking any potential victims to come forward, it’s my understanding there are report they have received many, may dozens of phone calls. Are they legitimate, don’t know. But I think the district attorney and the sheriff have to filter through them and determine if there are any other charges that should be coupled with this young boy”.

Now that the public was invited to take part in the witch hunt  and ‘victims’ were encouraged to come in,  let’s see who answered the trumpet call.

  • ‘VICTIM’ #1

Among those ‘dozens’ of callers mentioned by Nancy Grace there was a certain Terry George, a British businessman, who now owns a telephone sex company.

Our Suzy has left the following comment about the man:

“I remember Terry George, selling a story to the British Tabloids. He claimed Michael forced him to “phone sex” when he was 13 and Michael was 19.

How do you force somebody to phone sex? Anyway, the guy was an obsessed fan, IMO. There are photos of the two posing like MJ would pose with any fan. On that the guy looks about 17-18 and Michael is about 23-24.

Terry told the tabloids that after this MJ rejected him and he was trying to get to him in hotels or wherever he was but he just cut him off. Now, the twist is that Terry is gay man and IMO this is exactly the reason why Michael cut him off! Not that he had a problem with gay people, but I think this guy was trying to make moves on him and Michael was disturbed by it, because he was not gay.

“Funny”, how Mr Terry George only remembered this “molestation story” and sold it to tabloids after the Chandler case broke. Another twist to the story is that he owns a phone sex company….. And “funny” how despite of being “molested” by Michael as a boy he was running after him all around the world trying to get to his hotels when he was 17-18. Of course, tabloids pay cash for stories like this”.

I’ve been to Terry George’s site.

Over there he claims that he was summoned to the 2005 trial, however even the link itself disproves this statement as it adds WRONG to the very end of it: http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/about/michael-jackson/article/_Terry-George-at-Jacksons-trial-WRONG/.

Now we know that Terry George never testified at the 2005 trial. It seems that Tom Sneddon wasn’t terribly happy with this witness –  the joyous guy  practically imposed himself as a molestation victim on the chief prosecutor but he was still not impressed and not interested… Why?

If we look up Terry George’s biography we will learn that from the age of 12 this boy, who says about himself that he was “never the shrinking violet”, had a hobby of interviewing famous people.

Terry says that he was a star-struck lad and brags that the tapes of his interviews were important enough to be broadcast on  local radio. To us it means that all of them were meant for open air discussion. Terry’s interviews were advertized as follows:

  • “Many of his interviews were not only personal scoops for the star-struck lad but chats thought to be important enough to be broadcast by local radio stations. Amongst those caught on tape by Terry were a selection of ‘superstars’ as diverse as Michael Jackson, with whom he became friends (read separate account on this web-site), Omar Sharif, Paul McCartney, Boy George, Les Dawson, Dick Emery and over three hundred other big names from show biz.”

So when Terry brags on his site that “the prosecution believe a phone conversation between Mr George and Jackson in 1979 could be key evidence”, he refers to that completely official tape of an interview with Michael Jackson presented on the radio. No wonder Tom Sneddon could never use it for his purposes.

But how do we know that Terry has nothing else but that official interview?

Because Terry was very meticulous in what he was doing and valued every conversation he had with a (any) star. And if he was recording every precious little bit, his alleged conversation with MJ involving “masturbation” should have been recorded by all means and would have been the gem of his collection!  It could have been sold to the media at an astronomical sum, or used for blackmailing MJ and seeking “compensation” from him.

And if Terry had had an incriminating tape it would have surely landed in the hands of Tom Sneddon.

But since it did not, it means that there was NOTHING to show or listen to.

As simple as that.

The rest of the information on his site is a poor attempt to portray Terry and Michael as “friends” which is naturally a great tool for promoting a night gay club Terry ran at the beginning of his career.

As regards that alleged “masturbation”, he is simply wagging his tongue about it – you will not find a single shread of evidence on his site to prove his words!  There is NOTHING except some crap showing “how important he is” and some newspaper cuts proving that Michael and the Jackson 5 did perform in his hometown back in the 70s.

That is ALL.

In short Terry George is a man who made his career solely on boasting his fictional “friendship” with Michael Jackson and spreading false allegations against him.

It was about characters like him that Michael once said: “I’ve seen lawyers who do not represent me and spokespeople who do not know me speaking for me.”

By the way this boy Terry George was the one mentioned in the FBI files. There was nothing but a newspaper cut about him in the file and no further action was taken by the FBI as there was nothing to investigate, as we see.

Judging by Terry’s later professional interests I wonder which of the two young men wanted to rape the other over the telephone back in the 70s… No wonder Michael avoided him like the plague after that.

  • ‘VICTIM’ #2

In mid-April 2004 the allegations were made by Daniel Kapon. It was in the very midst of the Arvizo investigation, so the timing of this accusation is telling half the story as it is another clear answer to Tom Sneddon’s call. The press reported the case  in June 2004.

This “victim” was never allowed to testify as his claims could ruin the whole Sneddon’s case against Michael Jackson, flimsy as it was. However after the trial was over, the 20-year old Kapon decided to try his luck in a civil suit and filed it in October 2005.

Our David has written the following about this guy:

“On June 1st, 2004, Daniel Kapon sold a videotaped story of where he said he was “molested” by MJ from ages 3 to 9 years old to British Tabloid “News Of The World” for $500k. In addition to molestation, he also accused Jackson of forcing him to “take drugs and drink alcohol”, as well as making him undergo “cosmetic surgery”, and falsely “imprisoning” him.

And, (worst of all!) Kapon goes on to allege Jackson plagiarized him, stealing song ideas from him for 10 years from 1987 to 1997.  At age 9, he all of a sudden “forgot” about his 6 years of molestations and plastic surgeries, only to have the repressed memories “recovered” under the treatment of notorious MJ hater Carole LIE-berman. Kapon also hired – you guessed it! – Gloria Allred to represent him in a CIVIL TRIAL! Lieberman reported it to the cops, as she’s required to do by law, and of course they completely dismissed this baseless claim!

But what’s really disturbing about this is the fact that his false claims were ENABLED and ENCOURAGED by Carole Lieberman and Gloria Allred! These two money hungry, attention loving quacks would have immediately dismissed such baseless claims if they were thrown at anyone else other than MJ”.

Let’s have a closer look at Daniel Kapon:

Daniel Kapon Sold Half-Hour Taped Account Of Abuse To U.K. Tabloid

By Jennifer Vineyard

“Michael Jackson and his camp are dismissing as “malicious” and “false” claims by an 18-year-old man who has sold his story of abuse to a British tabloid.

News of the World purchased Daniel Kapon’s half-hour videotape, on which he alleges Jackson had drugged, molested and videotaped him during trips to the Jackson family home in Encino, California, as well as at Neverland Ranch. Kapon claims the abuse started when he was 3 and continued for six years. A Jackson spokesperson said the tape was being offered for nearly a half a million dollars when it first surfaced a month and a half ago.

“This appears to be a malicious attempt to undermine Mr. Jackson’s right to a fair hearing on the charges presently pending,” Jackson’s lawyers said in a statement. “We have to question the timing and purpose of this false allegation being raised at this time. We believe that this smear campaign is driven by money-hungry lawyers seeking to capitalize on Mr. Jackson’s current legal situation.”

Kapon claims his allegations were prompted by a repressed memory that was recovered while under a psychiatrist’s care. That psychiatrist is said to be Dr. Carole Lieberman, and Kapon’s lawyer is said to be Gloria Allred. Lieberman and Allred previously filed complaints against Jackson with the Department of Children and Family Services following his infamous baby-dangling incident (see “Michael Jackson Tells Attorney To ‘Go To Hell’ “). Lieberman declined to comment, and Allred was unavailable for comment”.

Another source, “THE THAINDIAN NEWS portal” reported in January 2008 a different version of  the alleged molestation period. Now it was extended from 6 years to 12 years as  Kapon claimed that “Jackson started molesting him when he was 2 years old and sexually assaulted him up to the age of 14″.

Jackson “forced him into drugs and alcohol and subjected him to unnecessary cosmetic surgery, burned, tortured and beating”.  Kapon also accused the 49-year-old singer of “stealing his song ideas”. In addition to that Kapon alleged that he was father of MJ’s children as he wanted to “continue Kapon’s blood line”!

“In his deposition, he said that Jackson had him ejaculate into a jar and later used his semen to impregnate ex-wife Debbie Rowe.”

“He was obsessed with geniuses and blood lines and he told me that he wanted to continue my blood line, which he believed to be related to the Rothschilds,” said Kapon.

After reading things like that one would assume that Kapon was placed in a corresponding mental institution to freely express his ideas there, however this would be a totally wrong conclusion to make. Not only weren’t his crazy allegations dismissed the next day, but the court needed full FOUR YEARS to sort out this madness and take it to a trial stage. The lawsuit was dismissed only in 2008 and only after the plaintiff .… failed to show up for the commencement of the trial.

Here is what the Thaindian News says about it:

LAWSUIT AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON DISMISSED

January 15th, 2008

Washington, Jan 15 (ANI): A lawsuit filed against pop star Michael Jackson by a 22-year-old man has been dismissed after the applicant failed to show up for the commencement of the trial.

Daniel Kapon had filed a lawsuit against the pop star, stating that Jackson had molested and sexually assaulted him for 12 years. The case however was dismissed after he failed to show up.

“I think the judge realized how crazy the lawsuit was,” E!News quoted Jacksons attorney Thomas C. Mundell, as saying.

In the original lawsuit filed in January 2006 in Orange County, and then refiled in Los Angeles in March, Kapon accused Jackson of a litany of sins, including child molestation, assault, battery, false imprisonment, plagiarism and fraud.

However, Jacksons lawyer claimed, “These are not good-faith deposition answers. They are the ravings of an unbalanced celebrity stalker.”

a quote from Daniel Kapon's suit

For another source of information on the same episode please go here.

To most of us the clinical nature of Daniel Kapon’s fantasies is so obvious that they do not require any debunking, but for those few who are still unconvinced here is a sample date for them to check and compare.

It is a quote from Kapon’s 2005 lawsuit saying that defendant Michael Jackson “battered” the plaintiff’s mother while the plaintiff was “in close proximity to him” and claiming that this notable event took place on December 21, 1999.

Michael was in New York at that time. Source: http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/1999.html

The real timeline shows that in December that year Michael Jackson was in New York recording songs  for his new album and on December 20, 1999 he left there for Neverland together with his kids and nanny.

Kapon's behavior was too much even for his lawyer (click to enlarge)

It is no wonder that with a client like Daniel Kapon his attorney Barry Fischer finally lost all patience and dropped him saying that he “could no longer prepare for trial in such circumstances” (our thanks to Shelly for the court papers on Daniel Kapon’s litigation).

David gives a very detailed account of Daniel Kapon’s case the way it is described by Diane Dimond:

“Once in the doctor’s office, they found a small, scared-looking young man I’ll call “Donny”.  His story was not only dramatic but graphic.  In a nutshell, he told them over the course of several years, when he was between the ages of ten and fourteen, his father had repeatedly driven him to Neverland Ranch and left him there for days at a time.  Jackson, he said, had bought is father a new car to make sure he always had a reliable way to get to Neverland from his suburban L.A. home.  At first he and Jackson just had fun at the ranch playing with all the games and riding the amusement park rides.  But then over time, he said, Jackson gave him alcohol served in soda cans and drugs that made him “zone out”.

Donny told the investigators it got to the point where he didn’t mind because that way he could be “out of his body and not care what was really happening.”  Asked to describe exactly what had happened, he told them about various sex acts, including penetration, that were performed upon him by the star. 

The interrogator reported that the young man’s story kept changing.  His original claim, that he’d been between ten and fourteen years old at the time of the molestation, switched in mid-interview.  No, Donny said, he’s actually been three to seven years of age. Then later he reportedly said the sex abuse occurred when he was fifteen years old.  There were other discrepancies, too.  But Santa Barbara authorities didn’t leave it there.  They traced the mother’s claim of being attacked in the parking lot and found it to be nothing more than an altercation between two neighbors, fighting over some perceived slight.  They found the boy’s father and learned much more.

Donny’s dad told investigators he had never met Michael Jackson and certainly had never taken his son to Neverland – ever.  He called his ex-wife “a certifiable psycho” who’d actually lost custody of Donny when he was just three years old.  The father had raised the boy himself and the mother had no contact with him until his eighteenth birthday.  She’d apparently hired a private detective to track down her son at his college and reentered his life.

Donny’s tale was described by insiders as “a tragedy, pure and simple.”  A lonely, impressionable boy who so longed for motherly love that he allowed himself to be virtually brainwashed into believing an unstable parent’s incredible story.

Asked later what he thought of the Donny story, Santa Barbara district attorney Thomas Sneddon told me, “The story was pure voodoo.  But that poor, poor kid.”

For more details of this totally incredible case please go to David’s post here.

  • ‘VICTIM’ #3:

THE USA TODAY (AP) http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-04-18-jackson-follow-up_x.htm?csp=34 reported on April 18, 2006  that in “a December 2005 motion asking for dismissal” Jackson’s lawyers spoke about a certain Joseph Bartucci.

Who is Bartucci?

Joseph Thomas Bartucci is the mysterious 1984 ‘victim’ to whom Michael’s haters often refer as the ‘early case of molestation’. This guy claimed that he had been kidnapped by the pop star and molested in New Orleans for nine days from May 19 to May 27 in 1984.

During those traumatic days Bartucci alleged that “Jackson would cut him, lick the blood off of his arm, and proceed to snort coke of the laceration – all while raping him”. The awful details include Bartucci being forced into a white limousine, held at gunpoint there and cut with steel wire and a razor blade.

Nothing but sheer horror, I would say, however a minor obstacle to the case is that all this time Michael Jackson happened to be in California which was a fact proven by his lawyers.

Well, firstly he was rehearsing for his Victory tour with every hour being well documented by various appointments and secondly, he couldn’t leave California because he was to receive an award from President Reagan at the time.

Despite this apparent obstacle the accuser claimed emotional and physical trauma which he recalled only when he saw  a Court TV show in November 2003 about the charges brought against Jackson – i.e. after Tom Sneddon’s call for new “victims” to come forward.

Okay, so how much time passed since the alleged molestation took place?

According to Bartucci it took him 20 years to recall the “event”!

Bartucci's 2004 lawsuit against MJ, page 3 (click to enlarge)

Bartucci’s lawsuit even specifies:

  • “Until November 29, 2003 Joseph HAD NO KNOWLEDGE that his injuries were caused by the wrongful actions, sexual assault, sexual battery, and abused inflicted on him by Jackson”!

The lawsuit further says that Joseph Bartucci brought an action against Michael Jackson “once he DISCOVERED the fact of his abuse and his injuries”!

So even the fact of the alleged “injuries” was discovered somewhat accidentally!

Does it mean that even of his INJURIES Bartucci didn’t know for twenty years either?

The case would be laughable if it weren’t that tragic….

Bartucci’s lawsuit was filed in 2004 prior to the Arvizo trial, evidently in the attempt to prejudice the jury against Michael Jackson. However the judge in the case agreed with Jackson’s lawyers that Bartucci was a “professional litigator.” The lawyers proved that Bartucci had been involved in 18 civil and criminal suits over the previous 17 years and included four damage suits filed by Bartucci, with at least one of them raising allegations of sexual abuse against a minister.

The case was so ridiculous that Bartucci’s  lawyer dropped him three weeeks after filing it and even the Smoking  Gun called Bartucci nuts and/or full of shit:

DECEMBER 1–Three weeks after filing a “recovered memory” lawsuit on behalf of a man who claims he was sexually assaulted by Michael Jackson in 1984, a New Orleans lawyer has asked a federal judge to allow him to withdraw from the case.

In the below motion, filed Monday in U.S. District Court, Stephen Murray stated that “circumstances have arisen which necessitate” him dropping Joseph Thomas Bartucci, Jr. as a client. Since the specific reasons for his withdrawal “are highly sensitive in nature,” Murray requested permission to file a separate sealed motion describing those reasons. That sealing request was approved yesterday by Judge Eldon Fallon.

While Murray does not want to publicly detail why he’s seeking to so quickly ditch Bartucci, TSG will venture a guess that he’s come to the conclusion that his client is nuts and/or full of shit.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jacko-accusers-lawyer-beat-it

However the most interesting information about Joseph Bartucci was found in the Smoking Gun documents concerning his 1996 stalking arrest:

NOVEMBER 10—Meet Joseph Thomas Bartucci, Jr. He’s the Louisiana guy who last week sued Michael Jackson over an alleged sexual assault dating back to May 1984 (Bartucci claims the memory of that decades-old attack had been repressed until recently).

While we doubt his case will last long in the federal system, in case he ever does make it to the stand, he’ll probably be asked to recall the details of his 1996 arrest for stalking a woman in Rapides Parish. According to court records, Bartucci took a plea to a reduced count of harassment and was fined, sentenced to probation, and hit with a 90-day suspended jail term. Bartucci is pictured below in a mug shot snapped by sheriff’s deputies. (4 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/new-jackson-accusers-stalk-rap

This court trial paper shows that at the alleged time of "molestation" in 1984 Joseph Bartucci was 18-19 years old!

I did look into those 4 pages and besides the fact that he was charged with “willfully, maliciously and repeatedly following and/or harassing and threatening Tanya Rimel, with the intent to place her in reasonable fear of serious bodily harm” and was sentenced to serve 90 days for “harassing teleph language”, the case also cited Bartucci’s date of birth – which was November 8th, 1965.

1965!

Bartucci’s year of birth means that in 1984 when the alleged molestation took place the poor ‘kid’ was 18-19 years old!

In 1996 Joseph Bartucci was put to jail for "harassing teleph language"

Looking at the Smoking Gun mug shot of this not too frail guy it is impossible to imagine that the small and thin Michael Jackson would be able to force him into a limousine, keep him at gunpoint for nine days and “molest” him cutting him with “steel wire and a razor blade”!

What is totally incomprehensible to me is that Michael’s detractors could believe his allegations for so long!

So who is crazy here?

As the final touch to Joseph Bartucci’s story here is an article sent to us by Lynette. Over here Bartucci’s ex-girlfriend says he planned to falsely accuse MJ, successfully sued a reverend on the same charges “devastating the minister and his family” and calls Bartucci “a total con man and a liar”:

Courtesy of:
MJEOL.com
November 14, 2004

Jackson Accuser Accused

The following article was published on the web site of Celebrity Justice on November 11, 2004:

The ex-girlfriend of Michael Jackson’s latest accuser is speaking out and labeling her ex a con man.

Hope Horne, of Pineville, Louisiana, spoke exclusively to “Celebrity Justice.” She told us Joseph Thomas Bartucci, Jr., is her ex-boyfriend, and sje claimed that long before Bartucci filed a lawsuit accusing Jackson of graphic sexual molestation, she knew he was planning to do it.

“When I was watching ‘Celebrity Justice,’ I was just shocked,” Horne said. “I couldn’t believe he went through with it. He told me a couple of months before that he was going to sue Mr. Jackson, and I told him he was full of it. I am speaking out because I don’t want to see this con man ruin a person who already has enough on his plate.”

“CJ” has learned that Bartucci filed another suit in 2001, accusing a Louisiana reverend of sexual molestation, claiming the minister “demanded that the plaintiff’s masturbation was necessary in order to purify and avoid going to hell.”

Attorneys for both sides say that the suit settled out of court with the terms confidential. Bartucci’s lawyer on that case told “CJ” that his client seemed truthful, but the reverend’s lawyer said it was a totally meritless suit that devastated the minister and his family.

“I’m angry that he’s doing this,” Hope told us. “I feel hurt that he’s doing this and glad that maybe I’ll see justice served. He’s a total con artist and a liar.”

Hope says she’s surprised that Bartucci is also facing a civil suit, in which a woman claims he used “fraudulent conduct” and “obtained title” to her insurance policy. That woman’s lawyer claims Bartucci faked a convulsion during a deposition, about which Hope said, “It does not shock me at all.”

As for the Jackson case, Bartucci claims the abuse happened in 1984 when he was 18 and he repressed the memory of it until 2003 when he saw a Court TV episode and then decided to sue.

So what’s Hope’s theory on why Bartucci is accusing Jackson of sexual assault, cutting him with a razor blade and puncturing his chest with steel wire? “He’s trying to get a quick buck,” Hope said. “He thinks Michael Jackson will pay him off and shut him up.”

We tried, but couldn’t find Mr. Bartucci for comment on all this. We also repeatedly called the attorney representing Bartucci on the Jackson suit, but could not reach him.

Source: Celebrity Justice / MJFC
http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180:2004-november&catid=167:2004&Itemid=75

  • ‘VICTIMS’ #4-4,5

As a result of the worldwide search for additional victims Tom Sneddon finally came up with a package of five of them which the  Smoking gun ironically calls “the Jackson 5”.

However the ‘victims’ weren’t as closely knit as the Jackson 5 – out of the five of them three turned out to be witnesses for the DEFENSEMacaulay Culkin  (click on his name for a separate post), Wade Robson and Brett Barnes .

All of them vehemently denied any abuse. The remaining two, or rather one and a half,  turned out to be the only  more or less suitable candidates for the victim role.

Jordan Chandler wasn’t actually a witness as he did not come to court. He was the boy to whom Michael’ s insurance company had paid $15,3mln. in a civil suit, but their confidential agreement did not preclude him from testifying in a criminal trial.

He had been approached to testify in the 2005 case, but he flatly refused to do so adding that ‘he had done his part’ . His refusal was so adamant that he threatened to sue the investigators if they insisted on him going to court. It was only his mother June Chandler who used her right to testify and took the stand. It turned out she had never seen anything improper and never witnessed any molestation.

The other ‘victim’ was Jason Francia who said he remembered being tickled on 3 occasions. It is interesting that back in the 90s he had been repeatedly interviewed by the police and at the time was so angry with their insinuations that he confessed “he wanted to strike them on the head”. However 12 years later he suddenly recalled those tickling episodes.  It is documentarily evidenced that the jury laughed when listening to his testimony…

This article is just one of the examples – it was cited during the trial by the Wilmott Forum:

JACKSON CASE ROCKED: JURORS LAUGH, MOCK PROSECUTION WITNESSES
Jurors in the Michael Jackson case were overheard during a break in the trial mocking a 24-year old witness who claimed he was molested by Michael Jackson when he was 7 and 9-years old, sources claim.
Specifically, a Juror was overheard by two reporters [one fron UK’s SKY TV] saying, “Oh boo-hooo, Michael Jackson tickled me.” That statement was followed by laughter from other Jurors.
The comment was also heard by a bailiff.
Court officials are investigating.
The report was first broadcast on Los Angeles’s top-rated radio outlet KFI, by reporter Laura Ingle.
Jurors 8 and 9 have been observed laughing during the latest witness testimony, frequently cupping their mouths and talking during testimony.
http://www.wilmott.com/messageview.cfm?catid=15&threadid=25357&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

  • ‘VICTIM’ #6, etc.

I am not closing the list as the number of volunteers to play the role of MJ’s “victims” may be endless – all it depends on is these people’s imagination, greediness and the state of their mental health.

One of the examples of such a volunteer was a Canadian boy who accused MJ of molestation in 1995. The case seemed so serious that Diane Dimond herself went to report it to Canada – only to find out to her sheer disappointment that it was a scam.

We have also found out that the man who was her “informer” in this case was later put to jail by the Canadian police for – you guessed it –  chid molestation!  This is another proof that pedophiles are for some reason extremely interested in falsely accusing Michael Jackson of these crimes. Probably because they hope to use him as a poster boy for their “movement”? Or because he refused the “honor” of being one of them which is why now they are taking revenge on him?

Here is Diane Dimond’s report about the Canadian set-up. Let us remember that she was talking with a real ped-le who had most probably infiltrated Neverland!

Now that we’ve searched the whole world for the so-called victims of MJ and still found nothing, the question is  –  were these people’s stories worth the 20 years of Michael Jackson’s brutal harassment?

Honest answer, please!

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UPDATE August 25th, 2010:  Another “Phantom Victim” from Diane Dimond and Ray Chandler,

by D. Edwards

I have found another phantom victim!  I was reading Diane Dimond’s “Be Careful Who You Love”, and on page 149 she talks about a German woman who calls Evan Chandler in December 1993 to complain that MJ had molested her son as well.

At first, I thought that this may have been the 3rd phantom victim (with Jordie Chandler and Jason Francia being the first two ‘victims’) that Sneddon and Garcetti alluded to in their press release in September 1994, but I was wrong because they claimed that the 3rd phantom victim was “molested” 3 times (twice in L.A., and once in Santa Barbara). The German woman claimed her son was “molested” once in Germany. According to Dimond and Ray Chandler (who also mentioned her in his book “All That Glitters”), the woman called Evan to tell him about her son, and Evan offered to fly her to the USA to get her son psychiatric help, but she declined.  And in 2004, Court TV went searching for her, and found her but she refused to give an on camera interview.  I wonder if Sneddon ever flew to Germany to try to interview her son, the same way he flew to Australia and the Philippines to interview Brett Barnes and the Quindoys, respectively.

Here is an excerpt from the press release from September 1994:

The investigation also revealed the existence of a third alleged victim who has been in psychological therapy since his disclosure to police in early November of 1993. He has alleged that Michael Jackson molested him on three occasions. Two of those occasions allegedly occurred in Los Angeles County beyond the statute of limitations, and the third occasion, within the statute, allegedly occurred in Santa Barbara County. In light of the primary alleged victim’s decision not to testify, and because of the third alleged victim’s reluctance to testify and in consideration of his psychological well-being, no charges relating to the third alleged victim will be pursued at this time.

http://michael-jackson-facts.yolasite.com/primetime.php

Here is the excerpt from “Be Careful Who You Love”, page 149-150:

The Chandlers’ telephone never stopped ringing.  So many fierce phone calls came in – day and night – that police finally installed a tape recorder in an attempt to trap, and then confront, some of the worst offenders.  The device didn’t automatically turn on with each phone call; it was up to either Evan or Nathalie, to switch on the recorder if need be.

In December 1993, before his dental partnership dissolved, Chandler was  busy with a patient when his receptionist urged him to take a call from a woman in Stuttgart, Germany.

The woman’s first name was Ulrike (last name withheld), and in shaky English she told Evan Chandler that they had something in common – a son who had been forever changed after spending time with Michael Jackson.  Dr. Chandler gave her his home phone number and in a series of phone conversations, some of which Chandler recorded, an emotional Ulrike revealed details of a 1992 summer trip she and her six year old son had taken to an outdoor festival in Munich.

It was a chance encounter on the street between a young fan and an international celebrity, she explained.  Ulrike said that when Jackson spotted her little boy and learned his name was also Michael, they reportedly hit if off like old friends.  She said Jackson was surrounded by bodyguards and was wearing black pants, a red shirt, and his usual black fedora and he invited the boy to his hotel room.  The child was completely dazzled by the pop star, and when his mother translated the invitation, the overjoyed boy begged for permission to accept.  Ulrike said she agreed and walked with them to Jackson’s hotel.  She was told to pick up her son in the hotel lobby in no more than two hours.

Ulrike is heard explaining on one recording that when her boy came back “he was not the boy I borne.”  All he could say when asked about the visit was that it was “nice”.  Asked what he and Jackson did together the child meekly replied that they had “just danced a little.”

“He became weird, started to cry a lot, and then when he started school last year….he had to drop out of school because he couldn’t concentrate anymore, not at all.  Anyway, after that, I just don’t know, I just got the feeling that something was wrong with my child,” Ulrike said during one of the transatlantic telephone calls with the Chandlers.

“I finally asked him, ‘what’s going on?’ and he actually said, ‘I don’t think anymore that Michael is great and I don’t really like him much any longer.  And then the boy told me, ‘that guy was so weird.  We had danced together and then he touched my penis.  And he tried to kiss – he called it, ‘a spittle-kiss’ because it’s a wet kiss. Anyway, he (Jackson) tried to give him that and he didn’t like that.  He said, ‘That wasn’t nice, Mommy, you don’t do that.  I have never seen you do that I don’t like it at all.’  He doesn’t trust almost anybody anymore, that is, particularly men he doesn’t trust anymore.”

Evan Chandler asked more than once if he could fly Ulrike and her son to America so the boy could “talk to specialists like my son talked to.”  Chandler also surely knew how beneficial it would be to his case if another complaining child stepped up.  But Ulrike declined the offer, saying she would find help for her son in Germany.

In the spring of 2004, when a Court TV producer tracked down Ulrike in a low-rent neighborhood of Stuttgart, he discovered her husband had recently died and she declined to go on camera to speak about Michael Jackson.

When asked about Ulrike, a California law enforcement official said, “We heard about a lot of German children who spent a lot of time with Jackson.”  But no one specifically remembered Ulrike’s story.

I think that last sentence says it all!  You’re telling me that MJ spent time with all these German kids, and only ONE PARENT complained about MJ molesting their child, yet NOBODY in law enforcement even “remembered” this kid?  Are you kidding me? Well, I guess this answers the question that I posed earlier: Sneddon must NOT have flown to Germany to interview the kid or his mother because he didn’t believe their story!  Why would this parent call Evan Chandler, instead of calling the cops in either LA or Santa Barbara? Personally, I think it was a prank caller who is on the same level as Rodney Allen, the guy from Canada who conned Dimond to flying there to interview a “victim” in 1995.

Here is Ray Chandler’s account of the phone call, from “All That Glitters”, page 180.  There are two huge discrepancies here:  first, he says that the German mother called Evan on October 8th, 1993, when Dimond says the phone call happened in December 1993!   And second, Dimond says the mother initially called Evan at his office, but Raymond says she initially called him at home! They can’t even match up their dates and locations!

It was midday and Evan and I were sitting in the den discussing recent events when the phone rang.  Attached to the phone was a recoding machine installed by the police to catch death threats.  It was set to begin rolling with the first ring.

Evan rarely answered the phone.  At his office there was staff to do it.  At home, I screened most calls.  But this time Evan was sitting next to it and answered out of reflex.

“My name is Kirsten Danzig,” the caller said, in a heavily accented but understandable voice.  I’m calling from Germany.  I wanted to speak with Dr. Chandler.”

“Why?”

“Because my son, too, was molested by Michael Jackson.”

“Did he touch his penis?” Evan asked – the crucial question.

“Yes,” Kirsten answered.  “And he tried to kiss him.”

Kirsten relayed how she and her eight-year-old son had met Jackson in Munich, and that at Michael’s request she let her son go alone with him for a few hours.

“My son was changed,” Kirsten said, sobbing.  “He’s not the son I’ve born……He told me, ‘Mommy he touched me but it was not a touch from a mother or a father, he touched me very strange.’  And then he showed me where he touched him.  You know, I felt so bad and I feel guilty, I feel so guilty!  I left him alone.”

Evan and Kirsten talked at length about the long-term effects of such an experience for a child and the need for them to get immediate help.  Evan offered to buy her and her son airline tickets to the United States to come talk to Feldman and the D.A.  Kirsten said she would consider it, but a therapist advised her that the trauma of going public would be devastating for her son, so she decided not to come forward.  (Therefore her real name has not been used.)

Feldman was not concerned.  His case was more than solid without her.

Just to reiterate what I said earlier, the fact that nobody in law enforcement “specifically remembered” this kid, and that Sneddon didn’t fly there to track him down, shows how much “faith” they had in this kid’s story!

“Where there’s smoke, there’s fire”, huh? Well, consider this another flame extinguished!

Updated by vindicatemj on 26.08.10

David forgot to mention that it was another hater of Michael Jackson who extinguished the fire started by Ray Chandler and Diane Dimond.

Ray Chandler said  Feldman was not concerned.  His case was more than solid without her” .

And the haters’ favorite source Victor Gutierrez says that opposite – in his book he says that Larry Feldman expressed his concern that the police were unable to find another victim to corroborate Jordan Chandler’s story:

  • Tuesday,  January 11 (1994) “That same afternoon I met with Jordie’s attorney Larry Feldman, to find out more about the status of the case.  During our conversation, Feldman expressed to me his uneasiness about the difficulty of finding more children to testify against Jackson.”

Whatever is the case with Larry Feldman the fact that neither  Tom Sneddon of Santa Barbara D.A. department, nor Gil Garcetti of Los Angeles D.A. department, nor the Sheriff Jim Thomas of Santa Barbara, all of whom were investigating the 1993 case, ever used the “evidence” of this German woman, shows its true worth.

Diane Dimond and Ray Chandler are capable to provide us with hundreds of fiction stories like that.

Unfortunately their effect may often be very harmful even if they are proven lies – colorful lies are more interesting than the boring truth and therefore get easier imprinted in people’s minds. This is why I would advise David not to provide huge texts from haters’ books – someone gullible might take them for real, though the situation described above is clearly FALSE.

If there had been a grain of truth in that story Tom Sneddon would have sent a squadron of policemen to fetch the boy and his mother, paying their full fare to Santa Barbara and back. He and Gil Garcetti were simply dying to have new ‘victims’ to come up with their stories and were extending criminal investigation by months in the hope that some new incriminating circumstances would be disclosed.

See how they were stretching the period of investigation again and again hoping for some luck with more allegations:

  • “Mid March was time again for the Los Angeles District Attorney to promise the investigation would be completed next month. Since the beginning of the case seven months earlier, it was going to be completed next month. First the D.A. predicted it would be done by mid October. October came and went and no end was in sight. So it was announced it would be completed next month, November. Then before the end of the year, December. Then early 1994, January. Then next month, February. There was no decision in February, or March. Gil Garcetti announced on March 15, that he expected a decision on whether or not to charge Michael in about six weeks. “In a month or so we will have the investigation wrapped up and within 2 or 3 weeks after that a decision will be made”.  So now it was going to be completed next month, April. Okay, maybe May. If they still didn’t have any evidence by then to indict him, they could always delay it until June”.
  • Then “a Santa Barbara judge extended the term of the Santa Barbara grand Jury on April 11, which had reached the end of its ninety day term”…  (Lisa Campbell, “The King of Pop’s Darkest Hour”).

Even when the case was closed in September 1994, it still remained technically open for the duration of the statute of limitation of six years, in case the boy ever changed his mind and decided to cooperate with the prosecutors. Or in case some new circumstances came into public view.

And after all that Diane Dimond says that all this time Tom Sneddon and Gil Garcetti had a ready victim for them and THEY NEVER CARED?

Who do they take us for?

Complete idiots?


229 Comments leave one →
  1. May 4, 2013 8:00 am

    Closes now!!

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  2. May 4, 2013 6:10 am

    What a brilliant article! Thanks so much for the post.

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  3. Rodrigo permalink
    March 8, 2013 10:43 am

    I was just watching that documentary Louis Theroux made during the LWMJ period. Boy, that Terry George sure does trip himself up doesn’t he?

    First he claimed the tabloid story was
    “partially true…majority of it”

    He claims a conversation he had with a friend is what caused the story to happen in the first place ahd that the tabloids twisted a
    “A 10 minute…3 minute” conversation he had with Michael.

    Speaking, he looked and sounded dead nervous on what he was saying.

    He says there was no friction in his feelings towards Michael.
    Yet up there, he clearly says they buried the hatchet later on.

    But if George did feel hurt for the way he spoke to him, then why name a site after one of Michael’s songs?

    What a puzzling man.

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  4. FREEMJ permalink
    June 7, 2012 6:58 pm

    Jerry Sandusky’s case has proven MJ was falsely accused and framed. Michael’s been dead for nearly a year now, where are his victims? Do you know how many children had gone in and out of MJ’s neverland ranch? Where are the sexually abused kids? What happened after Jerry Sandusky’s 1st victim came out? Ten other victims followed and now maybe more had been involved.

    Michael Jackson is the most tragic and exploited celebrity in our lifetime!

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  5. mjjyo permalink
    May 16, 2012 9:55 pm

    Was Michael who has suffered, from first time to last time, by this harassment, by only this one that continued for 13 years started 1993 by BASHIR.
    There was all kinds possible of harassments to destroy a man named Michael JACKSON who was / IS ABLE TO RECEIVE THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.
    For this, I want to and I must to say you BASHIR:

    To Mr. Bashir!
    Guests can go to hell?
    Please go to.
    Is the location that works best for you.
    Sneddon even when taken together?
    He is the best for you.
    Then Dan ABRAMS, Diane DIMOND and Nancy GRACE also, ARVIZOs certain.
    Chandler waiting.
    Yoshimi

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  6. Rodrigo permalink
    May 1, 2012 7:29 pm

    Honestly, Terry George is full of crap.

    What planet do these people come from?

    He claimed Michael and him had phone sex, he was uncomfortable and years later, after another call, he forgave him…He praised him as well?

    OH MY GOD! You don’t do that! If anybody did that to me, I wouldn’t be as forgiving. It’s just an unusual response, completely unbelievable.

    This guy, most likely knew what Michael was doing to other kids, like what he allegedly did to him? And he forgave him?

    BULL****

    ADMIN’S COMMENT
    Rodrigo, Michael was NOT doing anything to kids, so there was nothing to “know”.

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  7. Suzy permalink
    May 1, 2012 2:39 pm

    @ Helena

    No, thank you. If you want you can use this info to make a post of it, but I’m not doing it.

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  8. May 1, 2012 2:23 pm

    “Of course, Larry King doesn’t pay for interviews and doesn’t tell people what to say, while National Enquirer and ET famously do. Also the NE article came out in 2004 when tabloids paid big bucks for any gay/pedo story about Michael. Thorson is a drug addict and he’s been in jail for the last few years after pleading guilty on drug and burglary charges. He’s out now and he needs money again, it seems. It’s a shame the tabloid media gives platform and pays money to such people.’

    For some reason the media people terribly need dirty stories circulating about Michael. There are so many sensations around just to pick them up for free, however they will pay people money to have them slander Michael Jackson. It seems that nothing can be more important for the media but throw Michael in the mud – no other subjects to raise and no other way to earn money with!

    Suzy, you’ve already done half the job of refuting Scott Thorson – so here comes my traditional question to you (and everyone) – will there be a post?

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  9. May 1, 2012 1:36 pm

    “Is anyone willing to take the lead and take this story to its logical end?”- VMJ
    “How do you do that?” – Shelly

    Shelly, I meant that all the story is there on the surface of it. You just need to take everything we already know about Terry George (from his own site, by the way, which is quoted in the post to which we are writing here), then listen to the whole of the documentary, fish out all the remaining facts out of it (transcribing his words for those who didn’t understand) and write things down in the chronological order. You need to mention that even the FBI looked into this craziness but never found anything – and here you are with the full report made.

    A little bit of attention to minor details and the crazy, dirty, ugly story begins sparkling in all its “beauty” for everyone to see and incredulously wonder how they could swallow it for so long.

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  10. Suzy permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ Shelly

    Terry George: he is obviously playing games, trying to play to both sides. He tries to show himself as a friend and fan of Michael, yet he also wants to remain in the good graces of the tabloid media where he can expect some cash from in every once in a while whenever he comes up with this story.

    If he would be honest he wouldn’t tip-toe around the matter in such vague terms. Why doesn’t he say what parts of the story are true and what exactly happened, according to him? This way he’s just making further insinuations and lets people do the guessing. But I think that’s exactly what he wants, because he has no real story.

    When did Liberace did TV interviews? He died in 1987.

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  11. May 1, 2012 1:22 pm

    “I found the full documentary that Louis Theroux did on Michael where he was more or less run around by Uri Geller and Joe Jackson and never did get to talk to Michael. He confirims that his parents phone was cut off because he ran up a huge phone bill calling Michael all over the world. By the way that link to a phone interveiw with him he grossly understates what that phone bill was because he says it was 350 british pounds. It was actually $350 thousand US dollars…”

    Lynande, thank you so much for finding this documentary! I wish you could make a great post out of it (will you, please?)

    A recording of a visiting celebrity made by an ambitious teenager … his phone stalking Michael Jackson resulting in a huge telephone bill and his parents’ telephone being cut off… a story invented by Terry, probably in order to pay the telephone bills… however no tapes proving any of it though tapes like that are very easy to make… they could sell for millions or could be used for blackmail… but still none of them… Terry George being in love with MJ and running a gay club where he boasted of his seeing Michael just once… Terry finally ending up with running a sex-by-phone company…

    All these small and big facts fit perfectly in and need just being put down on paper – for keeping them neat and tidy for future researchers of the way Michael Jackson was harassed for absolutely NOTHING! The pattern of harassment is becoming clearer with every coming day – he was harassed for other people’s craziness.

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  12. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:22 pm

    “Is anyone willing to take the lead and take this story to its logical end?”

    How do you do that?

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  13. May 1, 2012 1:03 pm

    Appleh, a great find! The funniest part of it is that Terry George claims he had lots of conversations with Michael but doesn’t have a single tape to prove it. Considering that this guy made interviews with celebrities for the local radio station and now runs a company providing sex by phone he was definitely familiar with the technical side of things and would have recorded all his conversations with MJ if there had been any. But there are no tapes and absolutely nothing to prove his lies! Just his word, but even here he admits that things were exaggerated!

    In this video he says the “story was partially true”. Can you guess in which part it was true? He was masturbating himself while listening to MJ or while trying to get him on the phone! This was probably how the idea to set up a telephone-sex company came to his mind at all!

    If only we had time! This requires a little bit more of investigation and the whole thing will blow up in the face of those crazy folks who still find this sleazy guy credible. Is anyone willing to take the lead and take this story to its logical end?

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  14. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:00 pm

    @suzy,

    Terry did several interviews during the 2005 trial where he said exactly the same thing. I believe he even spoke to bashir. Liberace also did TV interview during that time.

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  15. Suzy permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:36 am

    Oh, here is the link to his 2002 Larry King Live interview: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/12/lkl.00.html

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  16. Suzy permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:33 am

    Apparently Scott Thorson (former lover of Liberace) will be on Entertainment Tonight claiming that he had a gay relationship with Michael. For anyone not familiar with the story, here is when it started. In 2004 he gave this interview to the National Enquirer:

    LIBERACE’s former lover has stepped forward to publicly declare he once had a gay affair with troubled pop star MICHAEL JACKSON.

    SCOTT THORSON, 45, made his shocking claims to American tabloid the NATIONAL ENQUIRER, alleging their tryst took place in 1979, shortly after they were introduced by Liberace in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    Thorson recalls, “The day Michael and I met we hit it off. We spent days running around Las Vegas together.

    “Michael wanted to spend all his free time with me. We are only five months apart in age so we had a lot in common with each other.”

    Thorson claims his relationship with Jackson intensified in London in the early 80s, where Liberace was performing and Jackson was working on a selection of songs with PAUL McCARTNEY.

    He says that when Jackson visited him at the home of late female impersonator DANNY LA RUE, he took the 45-year-old BAD singer up to the master bedroom where he tried on new clothes.

    Thorson continues, “We were two young men extremely attracted to each other. You could’ve cut the sexual tension with a knife.

    “I was standing only a few feet away from Michael when he motioned with his hand to come over to him and join him in bed. I climbed onto the bed. Our lovemaking session lasted about an hour.”

    Thorson, who claims he had sex with Jackson again for the final time a day later at LORD MONTAGUE’s house in the outskirts of London, says he visited the singer on two occasions years later at a hotel where he alleges Jackson was in possession of what looked like gay porn magazines featuring young boys.

    While Thorson’s romance with Liberace later fizzled, his friendship with Jackson also deteriorated because of the THRILLER singer’s alleged porn habit. Thorson later fell into a spiral of drug abuse and is now battling hepatitis C.

    The publication says it put Thorson through a lie detector test over the claims – which he passed in the presence of an expert.

    And now Thorson declares he’s willing to testify about his alleged affair in Jackson’s current child molestation case.

    He adds, “If the district attorney wants to talk to me about my experiences with Michael Jackson I would be more than happy to tell him the truth.

    “And if Michael tries to deny what I’ve said about our homosexual acts in London, I challenge him to take a polygraph. I did.”
    15/04/2004 09:22

    The first part of his current interview with ET was aired yesterday. In that he only talked about Liberace but a teaser was played for part 2 that will air today in which he was asked if Michael was inappropriate with him when he (Thorson) was 16 and he said yes. The interesting thing about this claim is that when Thorson was 16 Michael would have been 16 as well, since according to Wikipedia Thorson was born in 1958, just like Michael. But obviously Thorson and ET build on that few people will realize that.

    Of course, he even contradicts his 2004 story in which he said they met in 1979 and then they would have been both 21…

    But the best part is the contradictions to the interview he gave to Larry King in 2002:

    “You know, when Lee and I met I was 16-1/2 years old, Larry, 16- 1/2. I was just a child.”

    KING: Were you — to your knowledge, were you gay?

    THORSON: I don’t think I was gay. I pleased him [Liberace]. He once told me, he said, “Scott,” he says, “you have the most important job in my organization,” he says, “and that is to keep me happy and please me.” OK? Remember, Larry, I was a child.

    KING: Are you heterosexual?

    THORSON: Yes.

    KING: But you hated him [Liberace] because he forced you to do things you didn’t want to do.

    THORSON: Exactly.

    KING: For example, did you find yourself attracted to girls?

    THORSON: I was very much attracted to girls.

    So where does the gay affair with Michael fit in?

    KING: Did you ever have other homosexual relationships?

    THORSON: No.

    KING: No. You did not.

    THORSON: No.

    KING: He [Liberace] was the only one.

    THORSON: He was the only one.

    The only mention of Michael is this:

    THORSON: … Robert Goulet, they all say, “Oh, how wonderful he was. Oh, he was my best friend.” Lee didn’t associate with anybody in show business. The only close people in show business were actually my friends, which was Michael Jackson, Tony Orlando and Charo.

    KING: Charo.

    THORSON: And Englebert Humperdink.

    Of course, Larry King doesn’t pay for interviews and doesn’t tell people what to say, while National Enquirer and ET famously do. Also the NE article came out in 2004 when tabloids paid big bucks for any gay/pedo story about Michael.

    Thorson is a drug addict and he’s been in jail for the last few years after pleading guilty on drug and burglary charges. He’s out now and he needs money again, it seems. It’s a shame the tabloid media gives platform and pays money to such people.

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  17. Suzy permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:34 am

    He says he doesn’t want to talk about it and it’s been “documented in the papers” and that it was twisted and sensationalized by the media and that parts of it are true.

    I’m pretty sure he was in it at the time. I mean you don’t get interviewed (and paid) by tabloids in 1993 just to say what a great guy Michael was. Also considering what Michael has been accused of Terry should make it very clear what parts of it are true are what aren’t. If the media twisted his words why not tell what exactly he actually said and how was it sensationalized? His mudding the water tells me he was in it and he cannot blame the whole thing on the media. He’s an opportunistic liar.

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  18. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 4:05 am

    It’s very hard to understand what he said because of the accent. What did he actually said when he was asked about the 1993 story?

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  19. appleh permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:18 am

    Here´s the part where he interviews Terry George, I hope it contains what you are looking for !

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  20. shellywebstere permalink
    April 30, 2012 9:18 pm

    Do you have a link for that documentary?

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  21. lynande51 permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:58 pm

    I found the full documentary that Louis Theroux did on Michael where he was more or less run around by Uri Geller and Joe Jackson and never did get to talk to Michael. In that he talks to Terry George where he talks about how he said something to a friend a long time before the story that the tabloids wrote came out. You can hear a part of his conversation with Michael but what is most interesting is that he confirims that his parents phone was cut off because he ran up a huge phone bill calling Michael all over the world and even called Havenhurst when one of his sisters answered the phone. Terry George was 13 when he first met Michael. Randy was in the room with them, they were not alone. Michael was 20 years old. He says he saw him one more time in 1983. When he would call Michael he would try to reverse the charges on the phone bill which is how the story was investigated by the FBI. According to him he didn’t exactly say what the tabloids say he said but said something different to his friend. By the way that link to a phone interveiw with him he grossly understates what that phone bill was because he says it was 350 british pounds. It was actually $350 thousand US dollars.This may be where the story about a non existant restraining order came from in New York because that is where Terry and his family lived at the time.There was no restraining order against Michael ever found in connection with that case because the case in essence was against Terry George for stalking behavior.The FBI files prove that the FBI even did a manual search for the restraing order and none was found. The restraing order was either about Terry George or Maculey Culkin via Victor Gutierrez.Terry George is a hypocrite and a liar.

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  22. ares permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:21 pm

    lacienegasmiles

    Remember Terry George?

    Terry George ‏ @TerryGeorge
    @matt_fiddes it sickens me that the press still persist to refer to #MichaelJackson as #jacko If you do more press ask them to change it.


    This is the same Terry George who had made all those stupid claims about MJ calling him at night with no so innocent intentions? So now Terry is sad because the press is still using a nickname that MJ, a man who Tetty claimed that made inappropriate moves towards him, despised so much?

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  23. April 29, 2012 11:46 pm

    Remember Terry George?

    Terry George ‏ @TerryGeorge
    @matt_fiddes it sickens me that the press still persist to refer to #MichaelJackson as #jacko If you do more press ask them to change it.

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  24. lynande51 permalink
    January 29, 2012 5:48 am

    Bartucci filed his false accusations on November 29th 2003 and Kapon filed his false accusations in March of 2004. The LAPD and SBSD investigated him and brought in a special FBI forensic investigator to get to the bottom of those accusations.They both cleared Michael in June of 2004. Carol Lieberman was the psychologist that “helped” Daniel Kapon “remember’ his supposed repressed memories. Both of them had their first attorney’s petition the courts to be dropped from the case. Kapon’s first attorney was Gloria Alred.

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  25. January 29, 2012 1:15 am

    “Who was first Bartucci or Kapon? One of them used the other for inspiration, obviously.”

    As far as I know both cases arose soon after the November 2003 press-conference of Tom Sneddon and Jim Andersen (where they urged new “victims” to come forward). But it seems that Bartucci was quicker in reaction. He said he recalled his “molestation” and his “injuries” immediately after watching a Court TV program in November 2003.

    And Kapon’s case was first mentioned by the press in mid-April 2004.

    However they did not need each other and could be completely autonomous in their fantasies. The signal was sent by Tom Sneddon and it was just enough for them to read a few ped-lia case description on the internet to come up with their stories. There are plenty of materials on this subject.

    P.S. This article of December 1, 2004 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jacko-accusers-lawyer-beat-it says that Bartucci filed his lawsuit three weeks prior to the date of writing the article – which makes it November 2004. So it was only his explanation to the police that the TV program broadcast a year before had triggered off the “memory recovery” (he needed some dramatic event to start the process, didn’t he?)

    This makes Kapon first and Bartucci second. Not that it matters – it is just for the record.

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  26. January 28, 2012 11:56 pm

    Who was first Bartucci or Kapon? One of them used the other for inspiration, obviously.

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  27. January 28, 2012 11:47 pm

    Bartucci will never stop his bullshit I guess http://bartucci.blogspot.com/

    I have found Bartucci’s 2004 lawsuit which actually says that before he saw TV in 2003 he had no knowledge that he had been molested by MJ and had injuries from the year 1984! And he had no knowledge of it for almost twenty years! See here: http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jacko/brtccmj110104cmp3.html

    This is why I added the following to the post about Phantom victims:

    Bartucci’s lawsuit specifies that “Until November 29, 2003 Joseph HAD NO KNOWLEDGE that his injuries were caused by the wrongful actions, sexual assault, sexual battery, and abused inflicted on him by Jackson”.

    The lawsuit further says that Joseph Bartucci brought an action against Michael Jackson “once he DISCOVERED the fact of his abuse and his injuries”! So even the fact of the alleged “injuries” was discovered somewhat accidentally!

    Does it mean that even of his INJURIES Bartucci didn’t know for twenty years either?

    The case would be laughable if it were not that tragic…

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  28. January 28, 2012 5:37 pm

    He wants to make movies

    http://josephthomasbartucci.moonfruit.com/#/about-me/4552347614

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  29. January 28, 2012 5:33 pm

    Bartucci will never stop his bullshit I guess

    http://bartucci.blogspot.com/

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  30. January 1, 2012 1:01 am

    “This is what the NOTW paid $500k for, the NOTW 2004 breaking story”

    Rockeforeveron, considering that the News of the World no longer exists (but their lies about Michael are very much alive) your find of their “breaking news” about Kapon is precious. The article is stunning and will become even more stunning if you look at the date when it was published – I’ve noticed it quite by chance and hope to explain what I mean when a couple of things are put together. After getting so much additional information on Kapon his story needs a separate post.

    Thank you and a Happy New Year!

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  31. December 29, 2011 3:51 pm

    Lol at that article, the guy obviously believe that MJ was a freak but this is what he had to say about the Arvizo case

    “CBS) Attorney Andrew Cohen analyzes legal issues for CBS News and CBSNews.com.

    ——————————————————————————–

    You had to see it to believe it. You had to be here in central California, in this nondescript little conservative town nestled in one of the most beautiful parts of the country, inside a Santa Barbara County courthouse. You had to watch Michael Jackson, and his accuser and prosecutors and defense lawyers and judge to truly understand how and why the King of Pop finds himself today in the position he is in.

    You had to see how much paler he looks in person even than he appears on television. You had to see his entourage and the ghastly, ghostly way he walked into and out of court each day. You had to see his fans, the zealots who sacrificed the responsibilities in their own lives to come by day after day to lend support to the molestation and conspiracy defendant. And you had to see the parade of witnesses, so many of them sleazy or creepy or just downright odd who paraded in front of jurors for three long months.

    You had to see what a punk the alleged victim seemed like on the witness stand and how shaky the core of his testimony was. You had to see how delusional his mother seemed in court and how much her testimony lacked in credibility and candor. You had to see how futilely prosecutors tried to convince jurors that it is a crime for a famous person, a target, to undertake good public relations or swift damage control. You had to see the evidence that piled up proving that the accusing family had a history of setting up and then hitting celebrities for payoffs.

    You had to see how defense attorneys ran rings around prosecutors inside and out of court. You had to count how many times prosecution witnesses testified to facts that helped Jackson. You had to note how often both prosecution and defense witnesses told jurors that they had not been interviewed by law enforcement officials prior to the start of the case. You had notice how many times Santa Barbara Country District Attorney Tom Sneddon slumped down into his chair and pouted when a court ruling would go against him. And you had to notice how intently jurors were watching and listening to lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau when he delivered his closing argument last week.

    But you also had to see and hear about the many crazy things Jackson did and said over the past few years. You had to hear the sick things that some of the witnesses accused Jackson of doing to those little boys. You had to look at the covers and titles of those adult magazines and books found in Jackson’s Neverland home. You had to hear the similarities in the alleged seduction stories told by witnesses. You had to learn in detail from the prosecution’s evidence about the ways in which Jackson’s entourage often acted like racketeers.

    You had to close your eyes and just listen to the words spoken in court and ask yourself, based upon all those words, which version of events was the truth. Was Jackson predator or prey? Was he a serial child molester as prosecutors claimed or was the victim of a family of grifters who knew and easy mark when they saw one? Was he lying or were his alleged victim and his mother lying? And in the end you had to try to figure out on your own whether both stories could be true: whether Jackson could initially have been this family’s mark but they could have ended up instead as his victims.

    If you did not see these things, you no doubt will have a more difficult time this morning understanding what happened here yesterday. This is not a difficult result to analyze or explain. Jackson’s jury acquitted him of molestation because the evidence simply wasn’t strong enough, on all levels and in any way, to support the felony convictions sought by prosecutors. He was acquitted because the witnesses against him were among the worst I have ever seen in a court. He was acquitted because the evidence against him was too unclear, too unfocused and too susceptible of having a benign interpretation.

    Even though he is a freak, even though neither you nor I would ever let our children near him, Jackson is free today because it is not against the law to sleep in a bed with young boys. If you are angry with these jurors don’t be. Rest assured that as a group they were perfectly willing, perhaps even a little eager, to send the King of Pop off to jail until he’d be eligible for Social Security. Take it as a testament to the monumental weakness of the evidence against Jackson that this did not occur. Or, to put it another way, the case against Jackson was so bad that even you would have acquitted him based solely upon the evidence. Yes, it was that bad”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/13/opinion/courtwatch/main701474.shtml

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  32. Suzy permalink
    December 29, 2011 11:13 am

    The media played a LARGE part in Michael’s persecution and they know it. That’s why they won’t even talk about the facts of the cases in a fair manner even now. When the media pays $500K for a story like Kapon’s you know – and they know – they were partners in crime! They weren’t just passive observers. They were actively encouraging people to lie about Michael.

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  33. December 29, 2011 10:52 am

    Reading these flat-out salacious lies are turning my stomach. To just think that someone would pay top dollar to listen to someone that they probably know is lying, and give the story life.

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  34. December 29, 2011 8:54 am

    David said:

    “It’s interesting that Sneddon allegedly had the FBI analyze Kapon’s story, but not the Arvizo’s!”

    He could not afford to. After having two DCFS, one FBI and his own Police investigations which ended in them close their cases all he truly had was Gavin. It was Gavin’s statement to Katz which was the basis for the DA’s “probable cause” affidavit. Had he allowed the FBI to check it out or even DCFS to investigate again the lie would have been out like a jack-in-the-box. I believe had they analyzed the Arivzo’s the results would have gotten to the Media and the public. No excuse for the search or arrest warrant, nothing to support convening a Grand Jury.

    @ Helena:

    “Evidently Jordan could not bring himself to lie any further, and this is why we managed to go without anything worse.”

    I am not giving Jordan any props for not going further, it just he could not go any further. Any statement like Kapon’s required an exam. It wasn’t decency it was just wasn’t expedient to making the case. As for anything else it necessary for Jordan’s imagine to paint a picture of MJ as the sole participate.

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  35. December 29, 2011 5:42 am

    This is what the NOTW paid $500k for, the NOTW 2004 breaking story:

    Edition 3GXDSUN 30 MAY 2004, Page 19
    Jacko filmed as he abused me;News Of the World investigates
    CAROLE AYE MAUNG IN LOS ANGELES

    He’d be laughing demonically while this was happening
    New youngster claims he was drugged and used for ‘sadistic pleasure’
    from age of three
    A SECOND youngster has accused Michael Jackson of sex abuse,
    alleging the singer FILMED him as he carried out depraved acts.
    Daniel Kapon also claims Jacko, 45, is a sadist who revelled in
    inflicting pain.
    The teenager, now 18, sets out a catalogue of sickening abuse that
    started from the age of THREE.
    And he makes the detailed accusations in a harrowing 28 minute and
    50 second video as his case is studied by Los Angeles police.
    Daniel said he was never taken to Jacko’s bedroom to be abused-but
    to a chilling bare room without an ounce of comfort.
    Camera
    He recalled: “I wouldn’t be in his bedroom. He’d do the sadistic
    acts, sometimes taping it, in a darkly lit room. He’d just be getting
    his kicks.
    “The room had bare walls and had two camera lights and a chair which
    he’d make me sit in.
    “There might have been a bed too. It was dark.
    “I recall a director-type, an older guy with white hair. He would be
    holding the video camera and directing, telling Jackson what to do
    and sometimes they’d collaborate.”
    Daniel also alleged Jackson:
    DRUGGED him in order to carry out depraved acts.
    SWITCHED personality the second he was in private, changing from a
    charming companion to a “demon”.
    And ABUSED him for years at the star’s two palatial homes, leaving
    him in emotional turmoil.
    The video recording Daniel’s claims begins with his chilling words:
    “I was abused by Michael Jackson.”
    The singer already faces trial, possibly in September, accused of
    abusing cancer sufferer Gavin Arvizo when the lad was 12. Jacko, who
    denies all charges, could be jailed for 74 years on nine charges.
    Second accuser Daniel was clearly emotional on the video as he
    claimed he was filmed being forced to take part in “grotesque acts”.
    He added: “It seemed as if he was deriving pleasure from my pain.”
    Then he claimed Jackson would “be laughing demonically while this
    was happening.”
    The youngster, currently in a safe house in Los Angeles, and now
    represented by highly respected lawyer Gloria Allred, said that there
    was nothing he could do to fight back.
    He added: “I had no control over my body but I was still conscious.
    “They drugged me. I was given a goblet of red wine. I suspect it had
    something in it.” And he described the sinister change in Jackson’s
    personality once he was in private. One minute they might be walking
    through grounds of the star’s Neverland Ranch in California.
    Once inside and out of sight of others, Jackson would turn off the
    charm like a tap. Daniel said: “In public, Jackson was charming, but
    when I was alone with him he was a freak. His whole demeanour
    changed. You have to have a totally whacked-out demeanour to even
    consider doing the things he’s done to me. He was acting demonic, he
    was acting crazed. Very sadistic.”
    At this point, Daniel breaks down and asks to stop filming. When it
    resumes, his first words are: “He was verbally abusive, cursing, very
    crazed for power.”
    Daniel went on to describe Jackson’s naked body.
    He said: “I remember that his whole body was the same colour, very
    white, very pale.”
    The youngster’s mother Suzanne says her son was introduced to
    Jackson by her estranged husband Danny.
    Before long, the child became a regular visitor to Jackson’s home in
    Encino and was also treated to a special birthday party at Neverland.
    Daniel said he suffered abuse ordeals at both places.
    He added: “I can remember things as far back as when I was three. I
    have a photographic memory.
    “I vaguely remember first meeting Jackson-but the things that stick
    out in my mind are the sexual acts that occurred with him.
    Intimate
    “And I remember walking with Jackson on the trail at Neverland and
    holding his hand and talking to him. Just chit chat.
    “Most of what I remember at around the age of 12 and 13 is just
    being alone with him and that other guy and all the sexual acts.”
    Mum Suzanne, who did not have custody of Daniel, said she had
    noticed bite marks on intimate parts of his body.
    Asked if he has any pleasant memories of the star, Daniel spits:
    “Pleasant memories with Jackson? Only outside Neverland riding the
    rides.”
    Suzanne said she discovered her son knew Jacko shortly before his
    fourth birthday-when one of the star’s songs came on the car radio.
    She said: “My son was very agitated and started kicking my radio so
    that the knob came off. He told me, ‘I don’t like that’.
    “I said, ‘What? It’s Michael Jackson’. He said, ‘I don’t like him’.
    I said, ‘You’re talking like you know him’. He said, ‘I do’ and
    started crying. I just flipped out.”
    LA District Attorney Tom Sneddon has quizzed Daniel and passed a
    file to cops.

    So he also said he had been filmed while being molested! This stuff is incredible. I just can’t believe anyone would pay for a story like this.

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  36. December 29, 2011 3:39 am

    A lawsuit filed by a young man who alleged he was molested as a boy by Michael Jackson — and who also claimed he fathered the singer’s two oldest children and saw him dine with Fidel Castro — was dismissed today by a judge.

    Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Rolf M. Treu granted a motion by Jackson’s lawyer, Thomas C. Mundell, to throw out the case after the 22-year- old plaintiff, {tag Daniel Kapon}, failed to show up for the scheduled start of today’s trial.

    “I think the judge realized how crazy the lawsuit was,” Mundell said outside the courtroom.

    Kapon never visited Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County as he claimed, and the entertainer did not know him, the lawyer said.

    Kapon’s lawsuit alleged Jackson “repeatedly and forcefully sexually molested” him starting in 1987, when he was 2, and lasting until he was 14.

    The case was originally filed in Orange County, but a judge transferred it to Los Angeles County in March 2006 at the request of Jackson’s lawyers.

    In court papers filed Dec. 17, Mundell said Kapon made a series of unusual statements during his Dec. 11 deposition that undermined the validity of his case.

    Kapon claimed his mother married Jackson multiple times, and testified that the ceremonies were attended by Elizabeth Taylor, Celine Dion, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Beyonce Knowles and Diana Ross, according to Mundell’s court papers.

    He said Kapon testified that his mother “was in Michael Jackson’s ‘Thriller’ music video. She helped Michael with a lot of his material, his songs, his music videos. Michael Jackson was madly in love with my mom.”

    Kapon also claimed he fathered Jackson’s two oldest children, Paris and Prince Michael, by masturbating into a jar so his semen could be used to impregnate Jackson’s ex-wife Deborah Rowe, according to his deposition.

    Jackson specifically wanted Kapon to be the father of the two children, Kapon testified.

    “He was obsessed with geniuses and blood lines and he told me that he wanted to continue my blood line, which he believed to be related to the Rothschilds,” Kapon testified.

    Jackson wanted Kapon to have sexual intercourse with Rowe, but “it did not work out,” he testified.

    Kapon also testified that one of Jackson’s other lawyers, Marshall L. Brubacher, was conspiring with disgraced private investigator Anthony Pellicano and “other associates of Michael Jackson” to “kidnap me and make my life a living hell.”

    According to additional Kapon deposition testimony, he said he saw Jackson dining with Castro in New York City, Mundell’s court papers state.

    “These are not good-faith deposition answers,” Mundell wrote. “They are the ravings of an unbalanced celebrity stalker.”

    Treu granted a motion by Barry Fischer, Kapon’s most recent attorney, to withdraw his representation Jan. 10 after his client stopped communicating with him in late November.

    Kapon’s mother stated he was homeless and living in a car, Fischer said in his court papers.

    “I do not know if he is ill, dead or simply refusing to respond,” Fischer wrote.

    The lawyer filed a “missing persons report” with Los Angeles police on Jan. 3, a copy of which was attached to his motion.

    In December 2006, Treu threw out Kapon’s allegations of childhood sexual molestation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, plagiarism, conversion, breach of contract, accounting, fraud, negligence, civil conspiracy and unfair business practices.

    However, Treu ruled then that case could to trial on allegations of battery, willful misconduct, assault and false imprisonment, along with a sexual battery cause of action that Brubacher did not move to dismiss.

    Kapon’s court papers alleged the false imprisonment occurred when Jackson confined him for “multiple periods” from 1987 to late 1991 at Neverland Ranch, as well as homes in Encino and Woodland Hills.

    Kapon also claimed he was occasionally confined inside a car, against his will, by Jackson; that the singer stuck his tongue down Kapon’s throat, masturbated him and anally penetrated him by force; and that Jackson gave him drugs and alcohol and subjected him to unnecessary cosmetic surgery, as well as burning, torturing and beating him.

    Along with the abuse claims, Kapon alleged Jackson misappropriated his song ideas, lyrics and melodies during the time in which the pop star was recording”Bad,” released in 1987, “Dangerous,” released in 1991, “HIStory, released in 1995, and “Blood on the Dance Floor,” released in 1997.

    Treu previously dismissed Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Sony Music Holding Inc. as defendants. Kapon alleged they shared responsibility with Jackson for stealing his music ideas and for breaching a contract.

    Jackson was acquitted in 2005 of child molestation charges brought by a teenage boy, and some years ago reached an undisclosed, but reportedly multimillion-dollar settlement with another boy who alleged he was molested by the pop star.

    http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_7969754

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  37. December 29, 2011 1:21 am

    There is one good point about Kapon’s laughable lies including Michael “stealing songs” from him when he was 1 year old, or “forcing him to plastic surgery”, or Sony “conspiring against him together with Jackson”, etc.

    When you have a crazy background like that you finally begin understanding the true value of other allegations from the same Kapon which otherwise would have looked terrible to you.

    Generally I try to never repeat these terrible lies without refuting them, but in Kapon’s case I think that the laughable context in which they are found shows how grossly absurd and totally tragic those allegations were.

    Any madman could lie whatever he liked about Michael Jackson and people still believed the madman while the poor accused was helpless in the face of the madman’s ravings:

    “From in or about 1987, when plaintiff was two years old, until on or about December 21, 1999, when plaintiff was fourteen years old, in the Counties of Los Angeles, Santa Barbara and Orange, at locations which were owned, leased or rented by defendants, and each defendants of them, defendant XX repeatedly and forcefully sexually molested plaintiff, and defendants Sony and Does 1-100, inclusive, knew, or should have known that defendant XX repeatedly and forcefully molested plaintiff. The sexual molestation includes, but is not limited to, defendant XX sticking his tongue down plaintiff’s throat, masturbating plaintiff, and anally penetrating plaintiff by force”.

    Frankly, after reading the above I begin looking at Jordan Chandler’s much milder statement with more comfort than before. Previously the words from his so-called “declaration” sounded offensive and impossible to read, but after seeing similar horrors in the ridiculous Kapon’s suit you begin understanding that all those descriptions were taken from standard allegations and simply thrown at MJ without variation.

    It seems that we are even fortunate that Jordan Chandler’s declaration stopped at “masturbation stage” and said that that was the worst the defendant went to with anyone at all. Evidently Jordan could not bring himself to lie any further, and this is why we managed to go without anything worse.

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  38. December 29, 2011 12:47 am

    Lynette, thanks for the great link to MJEOL: http://site2.mjeol.com/mjeol-bullet/absurd-kapon-allegation-not-new-%C2%96-mb-299.html

    Kapon’s case is both tragic and hilarious – but what is even more tragic (and hilarious) is that Lieberman, Alred and Levin pretend that they believe his story!

    It is simply indecent to be such clowns!

    And while this indecency goes on there will be a need to show the true worth of these people and vindicate Michael this way. I personally would consider the job of vindication done only when people start laughing at these sinister clowns.

    Here is an excerpt from what MJEOL wrote about Kapon (you should go to their site for the whole of it, it is great):

    Kapon’’s allegation is permeated with some of the most idiotic allegations I personally have ever heard… outside of the Joseph Bartucci allegation, that is. Some have said his lawsuit reads like a patchwork of other highly publicized and meritless allegations/lawsuits against Jackson.

    Not only is Kapon suing Jackson, but he’s also suing Sony Music. That’’s right. On top of his absurd Jackson allegations, he’’s also alleging that Sony conspired with Jackson. According to the lawsuit, Kapon is claiming “abuse” began when he was 1 or 2 years old.

    He alleges Jackson made him get plastic surgery, stole song lyrics from him, and burned him. If the phrase ““what the hell?”” didn’’t immediately come to mind, then maybe you should back up and read that again.

    He also is accusing Jackson of giving him drugs and alcohol. That one sounds like a snippet from the Arvizo allegation, doesn’t it? There is a question as to whether or not this man even knew Jackson during the time period of his lunatic-like allegation.

    The part about Jackson stealing song lyrics from him is particularly laughable because of his age. This nutjo…..uh, I mean, this person is alleging Jackson stole song lyrics for him for his Bad, Dangerous, HIStory and Blood on the Dancefloor albums.

    First, Bad was released August 1987 (Amazon.com), which means Jackson worked on it before that time. If Kapon is 20 now, he was about a year old in 1987. Is he seriously trying to get people to believe that at 1 year old, he was composing song lyrics? Lyrics apparently so well written that Jackson stole them and put them on an album?? Ah, but he also is alleging that Jackson stole the melodies and ideas for the songs as well, not just the lyrics!

    He is alleging that Sony knew or should have known that he, Kapon, was the “sole and exclusive author” of the lyrics. I mean! He’’s claiming that Jackson and Sony “expressly agreed” to pay him for these “songs, lyrics, melodies” and ideas…… in 1987…..when he was a year old. I could be amused all day at this if it weren’t such a sad and rather pathetic illustration of how much mental help it appears this person may need based on reading the lawsuit. And having any entity coddling and appeasing the “despicable and outrageous” allegation is rather pathetic and quite troubling as well, in my opinion.

    Kapon also alleges he was held hostage by Jackson and his staff. Right about now, you should be having flashbacks of the Arvizos’s ridiculous kidnapping/hostage allegation which were proven untrue during the 2005 trial. In Kapon’s tall tale, Jackson’s staff was instructed not to let him leave the premises.

    He also claims Jackson “confined” him in a vehicle against his will. Sounds like an allegation made by Joseph Bartucci in his lawsuit, doesn’t it? Bartucci claimed he was held hostage in a limo and cut by Jackson. I’’m not kidding.

    As if these allegations against Jackson weren’t absurd enough, he had to drag Sony into the mix. There is certainly no love lost between the fan community and Sony music. But even they don’’t buy these allegations. Kapon is alleging that starting in 1987…, when he was about a year old…, Sony “willfully conspired” to aid Jackson with falsely imprisoning and molesting him. Again, if the words “what the hell?”” didn’t immediately pop into your mind, then maybe you need to back up and read that again.

    Attorney Thomas Mesereau was quoted in that tmz.com article as saying that these latest allegations are “ridiculous” and that “they will be vigorously defended”. Mesereau also vigorously defended the 2005 allegations against Jackson as well. And we all know how that turned out. Stay tuned. -MJEOL

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  39. Maria permalink
    December 29, 2011 12:33 am

    appleh
    Americans destroyed their own countryman. Sneddon, Dimond, Orth, Nancy Grace are Americans. This is not the Chinese, Italians. Americans persecuted him. Bad news came by the actions of these people. The level of media in America is the lowest possible. Only British rival them. U.S. media have led to the tragedy, because it’s American journalists produce their lies that swept across the world. And this is the greatest scandal. It’s a great shame.
    I agree with that, not only in America, the media have behaved badly in relation to Michael. But what led to this?. The actions of his countrymen.

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  40. appleh permalink
    December 28, 2011 10:57 pm

    Maria, it´s not only the american media, it´s the media in many other countries too, specially in Great Britain, Germany and other european countries ! People are not able or not willing to see through the lies, which is, I have to admit that, not easy, but if you once know how they work, you can decide, which stories are true and which are not ! In my country there is a tabloid called “BILD” and a TV-station “RTL” who are very worse and awful against MJ. You can compare them almost to “National Enquirer” “TMZ” and “HLN” or “News of the world”. They all have something in common, misleading their audience, hiding behing “Freedom of Speech” for making a lot of money regardless to the people, they are reporting about. I don´t know how these so called “society reporters” (LOL!) and paparazzis can look at themselves in the mirror, I could not, maybe it´s because I have a conscience and some decency !

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  41. Maria permalink
    December 28, 2011 8:50 pm

    Americans are brainwashed by their media. Media in this country is a plague that destroys everything good. Journalists can do anything with people. People are lying on a string of media. Media play people like puppets. A journalist can push people every lie. Even the court’s verdict does not mean anything. The journalist will tell you who is guilty and who is not. America violated human rights in relation to Michael. It was a violation of all norms in force in civilized societies. People are very vulnerable to the lies of the media. Made the lynching of an innocent man. Until now, unaware of his own cruelty. Reading all these things on this page give you a sickness. It is so terrible and unbelievable what his country did. This sick country.

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  42. December 28, 2011 7:01 pm

    If Michael did all those things tabloids, TV programs, various pastors told he did, when did he ever have the time to make songs and music, meet with his other friends, go on tours ?It all seems comic if it weren´t so sad that it almost and finally did destroy his life.

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  43. December 28, 2011 2:12 am

    “I analyzed Allred’s involvement with Kapon in this post: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/analyzing-the-media’s-hypocrisy-in-reporting-on-michael-jackson’s-settlements-vs-the-settlements-of-other-celebrities-part-2/

    David, thank you for the reminder! I thought that we had a great piece about Kapon in some other post but did not remember where. I’ve included now part of the information into “Phantom victims” with a link to your post.

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  44. sanemjfan permalink
    December 28, 2011 12:54 am

    @Lynette and Shelly
    I analyzed Allred’s involvement with Kapon in this post: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/analyzing-the-media’s-hypocrisy-in-reporting-on-michael-jackson’s-settlements-vs-the-settlements-of-other-celebrities-part-2/

    It’s interesting that Sneddon allegedly had the FBI analyze Kapon’s story, but not the Arvizo’s!

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  45. nan permalink
    December 27, 2011 11:34 pm

    This is DD doing a positive segment on MJ after his death,,This footage is of Mac and Mj in 92 , before all the garbage from VG and her salacious stories..
    It is very obvious this is a above board friendship …She has done this segment….. and still tries to assert, whenever possible that there was something sinister going on back then ….
    But that kind of crap is just her bread and butter , same as Harvey Levin..
    He knows Corey Feldman told police another man had molested him..Told them twice ,and that Mj was innocent of any wrong doing, told Howard Stern the same thing and yet they glide right over that and go back to the fake B.S. about MJ.
    My hope is that soon they realize there is a bigger market for positive stories about him and more money to be made that way..They will never show their own complicity in the witch hunt but they might be willing to shine a light on the prosecutors who abused the power of their office,,against MJ if that kind of story would get them ratings….

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  46. nan permalink
    December 27, 2011 11:11 pm

    Michael Jackson was vindicated in a court of law , but the press has never recognized those 14 verdicts.Instead they dangled money in front of jurors , muddy up the verdict and try and nullify it.
    This is one of Luna jo latest about the jurors..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUGdj5du6BU&feature=g-u&context=G248276aFUAAAAAAAGAA&fb_source=message
    So it is necessary to be vigilant and hold the press accountable..
    We never saw DD or Orth take the stand to testify to what they know ..
    Never saw any of the supposed other victims that had sought DD out ,,none of that bunk because the court isnt about gossip, its about facts..AT least it is supposed to be.
    After reading on here about VG book and the part about throwing pebbles at a lion..
    I think these prosecutors are just tabloid junkies…
    And I feel strongly that Sneddon was so influenced by his tabloid media friends that he built a case to suit their purposes whether conscious or subconscious..
    Nobody else would have been brought to court with this kind of garbage .
    And the media would have called Sneddon out , like they did the Duke University D.A, had it not been making them so much money..
    Now that people are speaking out, they want to turn him into a drug addict , even though his Dr was found to be guilty of negligence.
    I just saw tmz blaming the mj tribute for being the possible cause of death for heavy D because he died from a traveling bloodclot which you can get from long flights., and he had flown home from performing at teh concert.
    It is just ridiculous how much money and publicity anything having to do with mj name can generate..

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  47. lynande51 permalink
    December 27, 2011 8:59 pm

    I know Shelly and recently people have started to say things like if Michael did nothing wrong why does he need vindication. Well that is a perfectly good question until you see things like Daniel Kapon and Joseph Bartucci creep back up. It was deemed wholy unsubstantiated when it was turned into not one but 2 police departments. SBSD and LAPD both investigated this in the middle of the Arvizo case. I wish they would have put these two on the stand so people would have gotten a really good idea of what Michael went through because they are both absurd. Then it was over and TMZ/Harvey Levin used it like it was new news. So much for his credibility.He might be able to use his law degree to get documents, which says he has someone at the courthouse on his payroll, but my question is has he ever used it in a court of law for the betterment of humanity? NO!
    Here is the story. Daniel Kapon went to Carol Leiberman and she helped him “recover” his memories of this abuse. Then she refered him to Gloria Alred who filed the first lawsuit but when she found out how crazy this story was even she asked to be recused. Now you would think knowing this that woman would just keep her mouth shut about Michael but nooooo she and her daughter still keep bringing this crap up. Then a tab like TMZ gets hold of it and runs it again and again and again ad nauseum. That is why Michael needs vindication I guess because people like Gloria Alred exist. I just have to ask her something; “Gloria do you really want people to believe your crap so much that you keep right on repeating it or rehashing it every couple of years or so?”If that is so then every couple of years or so please link people to our article that covers the facts in these cases so we can stop writing about it. If her, Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth and Stacy Brown would just shut up half of our work would be done for us.Here is a link to a story that tells the story.
    http://site2.mjeol.com/mjeol-bullet/absurd-kapon-allegation-not-new-%C2%96-mb-299.html

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  48. December 27, 2011 5:17 pm

    Shelly and Lynette, thank you very much for the addional materials on the “phantom” victims – I’ve included all of them into the post.
    The post has been fully rewritten again as the previous variant was unsatisfactory and far from complete.

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  49. December 27, 2011 6:29 am

    The Kapon lawsuit was even crazier

    http://site2.mjeol.com/mj-news/kapon-lawsuit-thrown-out-of-court.html

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  50. December 27, 2011 5:35 am

    Kapon original lawsuit

    http://www.onpointnews.com/docs/kapon.pdf

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  51. December 27, 2011 5:34 am

    Daniel Kapon

    http://www.onpointnews.com/docs/kapon2.pdf

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  52. December 27, 2011 5:27 am

    I wonder how old is Daniel Kapon?

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  53. lynande51 permalink
    December 27, 2011 4:14 am

    Helena you might want to add this to it too. It is probably the reason that his lawyers dropped him because someone went on public record and denounced his charges. Of course that could be seen as over doing it if we add all of the facts about him.

    Source: http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0411/11a.html

    Watch the video of this report on CJ:
    http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/
    —————–
    Courtesy of:
    MJEOL.com
    November 14, 2004

    Jackson Accuser Accused

    The following article was published on the web site of Celebrity Justice on November 11, 2004:

    The ex-girlfriend of Michael Jackson’s latest accuser is speaking out and labeling her ex a con man.

    Hope Horne, of Pineville, Louisiana, spoke exclusively to “Celebrity Justice.” She told us Joseph Thomas Bartucci, Jr., is her ex-boyfriend, and sje claimed that long before Bartucci filed a lawsuit accusing Jackson of graphic sexual molestation, she knew he was planning to do it.

    “When I was watching ‘Celebrity Justice,’ I was just shocked,” Horne said. “I couldn’t believe he went through with it. He told me a couple of months before that he was going to sue Mr. Jackson, and I told him he was full of it. I am speaking out because I don’t want to see this con man ruin a person who already has enough on his plate.”

    “CJ” has learned that Bartucci filed another suit in 2001, accusing a Louisiana reverend of sexual molestation, claiming the minister “demanded that the plaintiff’s masturbation was necessary in order to purify and avoid going to hell.”

    Attorneys for both sides say that the suit settled out of court with the terms confidential. Bartucci’s lawyer on that case told “CJ” that his client seemed truthful, but the reverend’s lawyer said it was a totally meritless suit that devastated the minister and his family.

    “I’m angry that he’s doing this,” Hope told us. “I feel hurt that he’s doing this and glad that maybe I’ll see justice served. He’s a total con artist and a liar.”

    Hope says she’s surprised that Bartucci is also facing a civil suit, in which a woman claims he used “fraudulent conduct” and “obtained title” to her insurance policy. That woman’s lawyer claims Bartucci faked a convulsion during a deposition, about which Hope said, “It does not shock me at all.”

    As for the Jackson case, Bartucci claims the abuse happened in 1984 when he was 18 and he repressed the memory of it until 2003 when he saw a Court TV episode and then decided to sue.

    So what’s Hope’s theory on why Bartucci is accusing Jackson of sexual assault, cutting him with a razor blade and puncturing his chest with steel wire? “He’s trying to get a quick buck,” Hope said. “He thinks Michael Jackson will pay him off and shut him up.”

    We tried, but couldn’t find Mr. Bartucci for comment on all this. We also repeatedly called the attorney representing Bartucci on the Jackson suit, but could not reach him.

    Source: Celebrity Justice / MJFC
    http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180:2004-november&catid=167:2004&Itemid=75

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  54. December 27, 2011 2:13 am

    “Joseph Bartucci’s lawyer. I wonder why he left the case”. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jacko-accusers-lawyer-beat-it – Shelly

    Guys, when following the link about Joseph Bartucci’s lawyer I’ve found some materials which make the crazy allegation of his “molestation” even crazier than we thought. Now I’ve even rewritten the “Phantom victims” post. Here is new information on Joseph Bartucci:

    Joseph Thomas Bartucci is the mysterious 1984 ‘victim’ to whom Michael’s haters often refer as the ‘early case of molestation’. This guy claimed that he had been kidnapped by the pop star and molested for nine days in 1984 in New Orleans. The awful details include him being forced into a white limousine, held at gunpoint there and cut with steel wire and a razor blade.

    Nothing but sheer horror, I would say – however a minor obstacle to the case is that all this time Michael Jackson happened to be in California which was a fact proven by his lawyers. Well, firstly he was rehearsing for his Victory tour with every hour being well documented by various appointments and secondly, he couldn’t leave California because he was receiving an award from President Reagan at the time.

    Despite this controversy the accuser claimed emotional and physical trauma which he recalled only when he saw a Court TV show about child molestation charges brought against Jackson in 2003 (or when he heard Tom Sneddon’s call to come in and accuse Michael Jackson).

    His lawsuit was filed in 2004, but the judge agreed with Jackson’s lawyers that Bartucci was a “professional litigator.” The lawyers proved that Bartucci had been involved in 18 civil and criminal suits over the previous 17 years and included four damage suits filed by Bartucci, with at least one of them raising allegations of sexual abuse against a minister”.

    However the most interesting information about Joseph Bartucci was found in the documents filed by the Smoking Gun which concerned his 1996 stalking arrest:

    NOVEMBER 10—Meet Joseph Thomas Bartucci, Jr. He’s the Louisianaguy who last week sued Michael Jackson over an alleged sexual assault dating back to May 1984 (Bartucci claims the memory of that decades-old attack had been repressed until recently). While we doubt his case will last long in the federal system, in case he ever does make it to the stand, he’ll probably be asked to recall the details of his 1996 arrest for stalking a woman in Rapides Parish. According to court records, Bartucci took a plea to a reduced count of harassment and was fined, sentenced to probation, and hit with a 90-day suspended jail term. Bartucci is pictured below in a mug shot snapped by sheriff’s deputies. (4 pages) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/new-jackson-accusers-stalk-rap

    I did look into those 4 pages and besides the fact that he was charged with “willfully, maliciously and repeatedly following and/or harassing and threatening Tanya Rimel, with the intent to place her in reasonable fear of serious bodily harm” and was sentenced to serve 90 days for “harassing teleph language”, the case also cited Bartucci’s date of birth which was November 8th, 1965.

    1965!

    Bartucci’s year of birth means that in 1984 when his alleged “molestation” took place the “victim” was 19 years old!

    Looking at the Smoking Gun mug shot of this not too frail guy it is impossible to imagine that the small and thin Michael Jackson would be able to force him into a limousine, keep him at gunpoint for nine days and “molest” him cutting him with “steel wire and a razor blade”!

    What is totally incredible to me is that Michael’s detractors could believe in that story for so long!

    So who is crazy here?

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  55. lynande51 permalink
    December 26, 2011 8:28 am

    I don’t have the Lee lawsuit but I have a link to an article from the Free Library. the name of the lawsuit was not Myung Ho Lee but the name of his company Union Finance and Investment VS Michael Jackson. Michael also countersued him and they both agreed to drop the case.
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Union+Finance+and+Investment%2c+Michael+Jackson+Announce+Settlement+of…-a0103398135

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  56. shelly permalink
    December 26, 2011 5:49 am

    Do you have the Lee lawsuit?

    I read the Stacy Brown and I think he is a liar.

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  57. lynande51 permalink
    December 26, 2011 5:19 am

    Yes they are very alike. I also want to add that Dr. Myung Ho Lee and Michael both just dropped their lawsuits. It is hard to continue to sue someone saying that they signed a contract on the West Coast when they were on the East Coast because there was no air travel in the US. Espescially New york because of 9 11. That was the basis of Lee’s case he said that Michael signed a contract with him on September 14th 2001 when there was no way for him to be there. He sent his family that was in New York back by bus but he stayed in New Jersey with the Cascio’s with his kids because of the World Trade Center attacks.
    Did you read all of those links to the Stacy Brown information that I found.Well I guess we now know who started all of the rumors about MJ’s kids not being his and so forth and so on.We also know who DD’s source is and to think that they know it isn’t reliable. HMMM.
    The one thing that Judge Pastor did that I think was best when he sentenced Murray is he asked himself what was the reasonable explaination for the recording. It has be a reasonable story because it is too fabricate an unreasonable story like the Arvizo story. It has to make sense and none of the allegation did. take for instance even the 50 nose jobs story. It isn’t physically possible to have 50 nose jobs for heavens sake. Look at what the story is and ask yourself does it sound reasonable because if it doesn’t what does that make it.

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  58. December 26, 2011 3:53 am

    I think the judge thought it was bullshit too. It’s not different than the Kapon’s lawsuit.

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  59. lynande51 permalink
    December 26, 2011 1:42 am

    I found the same story the other day and wondered the same thing. Whatever it was it was so sensitive in nature that the ruling and the motion had to be filed under seal. That makes me think that it was probably that he found out that he was not telling the truth.
    His story is so unbelievable for a variety of reasons. For one thing in the psychiatric community when a patient says repressed or recovered memories it makes eyes roll, not to their face but when that is used we can generally assume that the person is not truthful.That is pretty much universal in psychiatry.
    There are many reasons for that; one is the physical working of the human memory or in other words, that is not how the memory works. Memory of an event is like a series of photos not like a video tape.Our memories are stored like animation. Images are imprinted on the memory and they stay there. Memory is not in constant motion, it could not be, otherwise all of our memories of every event would always be playing in our head. It does not because it can’t, so our memory serves us on command when we ask it to. That is short and long term memory. Short term or working memory is what we use when we need quick retrival for learning a new task. That is in the prefrontal lobe. Then in order to retain that information it has to conciously be placed in long term memory in the hippocampus.This is achieved through repetition of a task (think about your primary school spelling words). If as he claims the injuries were to his frontal lobe he could not have had the short term memory of the event to store it in his long term memory.
    First if you take into account what he states was done to him it would not have caused long term memory problems. He says he was hit in the forehead which is the frontal lobe. That may cause behavioral differences but a blow to the frontal lobes does not cause long term memory problems ( which is what it would have had to be for a “recovered” memory). Just as he said that he had cardiac problems from wires in his chest and cuts on his arms from where they used razor blades. More than likely Mr. Bartucci was a borderline personality that was cutting himself.
    Next if you ask someone that is a survivor of a traumatic even such as he descirbes it would be very difficult for an adult, as he claimed he was, to repress that memory. The common reaction of an adult would be to perserverate on the event causing continued trauma reaction by reliving the event. Then what happens is the person, in order to stop the replaying of the event usually will start to self medicate with things like alcohol and street recreational drugs.That is what would have happened to him if he had experienced the event while it was placed in his short term memory.
    One of the doctors that I worked with one time said when I asked him about recovered memories he said when someone says this to me think one thing and then tell me if you think this is true. He told me to think of the holocaust survivors ( he is Jewish) and how each and every one has said that they would never forget and can relate it precisely on command. I realized he was right when I realize that not talking about an event is not the same as not remembering an event. I think of my father who was a veteran and how he would never talk about the war but he also never forgot every minute of the horror that everyone lived through.Simply speaking most psychologist and psychiatrists do not believe that there is such a thing as a repressed or recovered memory that many years after an event. It is like believing that people can be hypnotized into remembering past lives.
    Now what is wrong with his story is that even though the same news coverage occured 10 years earlier when his memory was even fresher he did not recall the events. If that was not the trigger then it was not the trigger in 2003. Then there is the precise memory of the dates and events as he describes them. That is not possible even if he never “repressed” the events that he says happened. Then simply put his girlfriend Hope Horne of Pineville Louisianna came forward with the information that he had told her he was going to do it 2 months before he did it. That did not help the story either. The appeal that he filed in federal court Fifth Circut is on line for anyone to read if they like to see why he did not win the case or the appeal.All those reasons and the depositions of Wayne Nagin and a woman from his (Michael’s) church who stated that Michael was not in New Orleans on the dates that he gave made it impossible for him to win. One of the reasons that the story even got so far was because Michael was out of the country ( Bahrain ) and thought the suit had been dismissed when Bartucci’s first lawyer withdrew and was not made aware that it had been refiled by different attorneys.

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  60. December 25, 2011 8:25 pm

    Joseph Bartucci’s lawyer. I wonder why he left the case.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jacko-accusers-lawyer-beat-it

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  61. shelly permalink
    August 26, 2011 12:07 pm

    How could Mark Quindoy know that it was Robson when he didn’t in 1994

    “Quindoy said he was watching out of a side window, and he saw Jackson kissing a young boy in the mouth and hugging him, as the boy prepared to leave the ranch.

    Who the boy was, he did not know. The kissing and hugging went on for about a minute, said Quindoy.”

    [url]http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-2229242.html[/url]

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  62. Teva permalink
    July 29, 2011 8:58 pm

    Thanks for the article Shelly.

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  63. shelly permalink
    July 29, 2011 8:21 pm

    I think it’s an interesting article because it shows that the Cascios had a hard time in 1993

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-22685207.html

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  64. shelly permalink
    July 29, 2011 6:49 pm

    Did the Cascios said something about what they did when they were travelling with him?

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  65. Teva permalink
    July 29, 2011 5:56 pm

    @shelly

    Of course it is terrible, that is why we have got to get it together for the Murray trial.

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  66. shelly permalink
    July 29, 2011 5:36 pm

    I know Vindicate and I think the real tragedy here it helped create a terrible image of himself. How many articles were like this one

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61177548.html

    I don’t know for his wife, but Dominic Cascio was with him during the Dangerous tour and I am sure all the Cascio family including Marie Nicole and her parents were at his side when he was at the hospital in New York in 1995. I am sure LMP knew the relationship he had with this family. It’s terrible.

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  67. July 29, 2011 4:20 pm

    “He even raped Bubles the chimp in that stupid book and is responsible for Benny Hill’s death.”

    Shelly, if there was no tragic life of a real human being behind all these lurid hallucinations we should be the ones who laugh at “crazed Michael’s haters”. Only none of us wants to laugh – because there is nothing funny about these people’s insanity.

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  68. lynande51 permalink
    July 29, 2011 6:21 am

    @ Alison, No kidding, The problem seems to be that some people can’t separate fantasy from reality and it aint us.

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  69. July 29, 2011 4:39 am

    Brett defending MJ in 1993


    MJ, Brett and Alex in Disneyland

    Funny that Bob Jones claims they tried to hide his friendship with MJ

    The Cascio’s with Mike

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  70. Alison permalink
    July 29, 2011 3:28 am

    @ Teva
    “lynande51 is correct the occult story started with Thriller, and the mafia with smooth criminal.

    The media also said that thriller was the foundation for the plastic surgeries because Michael was fascinated with morphing. Also they said that Thriller showed his true self, that he felt like a monster on the inside. Michael just wanted to make a really cool video and be a pioneer.”

    Wow!
    I guess they should build a special prison for all those people in Hollywood who are murderers , rapists, bombers, terrorists, arsonists, cannibals, robbers, gangsters who also film it all for us to enjoy on the screen. That Anthony Hopkins fellow is still roaming the streets after eating those people!. whats going on? is there no law and order anywhere? and Scwarzenegger loves shooting people left right and centre and they still made him governor! Incredible. and Johnny Depp – all those scissors, he must be obsessed with cutting people up, whats he doing still loose?

    .

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  71. shelly permalink
    July 29, 2011 2:52 am

    By the way, during the second part of the Dangerous tour, he was travelling with the Cascio. He was not alone with Barnes during that period.

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  72. shelly permalink
    July 28, 2011 11:36 pm

    He even raped Bubles the chimp in that stupid book and is responsible for Benny Hill’s death.

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  73. shelly permalink
    July 28, 2011 11:34 pm

    In that book, MJ unauthorized, you have the feeling that MJ raped hundreds of kids in front of his family. I wonder if the author realized how stupid it looks.

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  74. Teva permalink
    July 28, 2011 4:07 am

    Shelly, all I have to say is these idiotic stories have to start with someone, and why not Chris Anderson? Have it repeated by VG and parrotted by Maureen Orth, and voila! you will have him bathing in cow’s blood or some nonsense. I know you want to get to the bottom of this as much as the vindication community, but for me I feel I have already past the bottom, and just kept on falling.

    It is good that you track down every story to see where it leads you. You never know what you may uncover some day.

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  75. shelly permalink
    July 28, 2011 3:35 am

    I know that about the occult, but I was thinking about the story of the satanic dolls he allegedly had according to VG.

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  76. Teva permalink
    July 28, 2011 2:43 am

    @Shelly

    lynande51 is correct the occult story started with Thriller, and the mafia with smooth criminal.

    The media also said that thriller was the foundation for the plastic surgeries because Michael was fascinated with morphing. Also they said that Thriller showed his true self, that he felt like a monster on the inside. Michael just wanted to make a really cool video and be a pioneer.

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  77. lynande51 permalink
    July 28, 2011 1:10 am

    No Chris Andersen was just repeating what he had read from his tabloid sources. MJ’s supposed “fascination” with the occult rumor actually started with the video Thriller. The Jehova Witnesses were upset by theWolfman and the Zombies. In their teachings I guess they are symbols of a belief in the occult and not just fictional creatures in horror movies and books. It was to the point that they wanted him to speak out against his own video and he refused but did add that disclaimer at the beginning where he says that these are not his beliefs.

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  78. shelly permalink
    July 27, 2011 12:18 pm

    Sorry, next time I’ll be more precise. I was wondering if it not in this book that those rumors started. I also wonder if it’s not there that the voodoo story started, on the back cover the author speaks about MJ’s facination for the occult and the mafia.

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  79. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 8:06 am

    Gee If I had that close of a relationship to Michael I could know so much more LOL.

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  80. Suzy permalink
    July 27, 2011 8:04 am

    I agree with Lynette. D. is a proven liar and lunatic. Tell us when she finds something interesting, something worthy to look at, but I’m tired of hearing about every fantasy story she makes up about each and every male who was ever around Michael. She will keep making up such stories whenever she hears from a male name in Michael’s environment, but she has nothing, just speculations and her own sick fantasy. I can’t see why we should deal with any of those.

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  81. July 27, 2011 8:01 am

    And in I think christmas 2006? he spent it with the Schleiter’s, Bhatti’s and Cascio’s. Also possibly Mark Lester’s family? So apparently Mike likes to stage reunions of all the kids he’s abused and their families as well as Mark Lester’s kids, two daughters he spent time with also.

    Anyone following Paris’ twitter should know how much she loves Omer, who she explained to fans she thinks of as her brother even though he isn’t. Omer sure seems like a kid who’s experienced traumatic sexual abuse, I guess Paris didn’t pick up any of the signs even though D knows a friend of a friend of a friend of a cousin who knows a musician who says they knew Omer was with MJ, guess Paris living with him and being a daddy’s girl must’ve missed all of that.

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  82. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 8:00 am

    I still say that LaToya was dropped on her head as a baby. I think it is time for her Mother to do it again to see of it would help in anyway. I can’t think of any other solution anymore.

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  83. July 27, 2011 7:55 am

    I always thought that story from Roger was funny… just like JRT he fixates on the male kids around MJ and he wanted to suggest Anton was still a child. He actually spent time with both Anton and his sister then. In fact his sister Franziska was onstage with him in the HIStory tour and I think she’s the girl holding his hand in one of his European stops as he comes out of a plane too.

    Here’s what both the Schleiter’s had to say after his death:

    Franziska and Anton co-wrote an openning to the book about MJ, “It’s All About LOVE.”

    “He told us many times how much you, the fans, mean to him and we understand very well why, because everything you do comes out of love. Often, when some of you came to meet him, he would tell us to hug you so that we could feel the love you give. He was always so right.

    Your personal stories and experiences with Michael are truly magical and will never be forgotten – it is something that stays in your heart where nobody can take it away from you. What makes us so unbelievably happy is knowing that all of you (the fans) will continue to live his love and his messages and pass it on to the coming generations. And this way, through all of us, Michael will forever live.”

    Franziska also supposedly posted on some German forums back in 2006-2007 when he visited but I haven’t been able to track down any of her posts.

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  84. Suzy permalink
    July 27, 2011 7:53 am

    He is 11 year old, called Moritz and he is convinced Michael is innocent in the allegations (by Chandler).

    He says he doesn’t believe the allegations because it would go against Michael’s principles, everything Michael believes in and what he sings about in songs like Heal the World. He mentions how Michael financed the treatment of a blind kid. He also says Michael wasn’t treated well as a child, so he surely would not do something bad to others.

    It’s not mentioned this boy was in personal contact with Michael, so I suppose he’s just a fan.

    The report has inaccuracies though, such as three other boys (besides Jordan) claiming that MJ molested them. We know by now it was something the D.A. wanted us to believe but it wasn’t true. Also the psychologist talks BS. He’s talking about how 80% of molesters were sexually abused as children themselves and says how close Michael was to his sister (LaToya), so everything she went through he probably did too. I think he’s referring to LaToya’s allegations that she was sexually molested by Joseph and from that the psychologist suggests that maybe Michael was too. (As if we can believe everything LaToya says. And even if it’s true that she was molested, she’s a girl and Michael was a boy, how can we conclude from that that Joseph molested boys too?)

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  85. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 7:40 am

    Shelly I know that the person that makes us all so crazy is fixated on Anton Schleiter from Germany for about the last six months. The boy in her photos that she identified as him is in fact Michael’s real cousin Levon. The one next to him is one of the Cascio’s and I do not know who the girl and the other young man are but they dont look like Anton and here is a picture of him.
    http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060130/Michael_Jackson_060130?hub=Edmonton
    She always likes to use this article from Roger Friedman from October of 2005 to pick at people.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172714,00.html
    There are of course a couple things wrong with his story. One is that Michael was in London being deposed for the Marc Schaffle lawsuit not to sell his song that he was trying to get the rights to that Schaffle had stolen from him. Second Anton was 23 at the time or else they count birthdays differently in Germany than they do in the rest of the world. She likes to use the dedication to the Schleiter Children as some kind of proof against Michael. Well when did he write that song? How old were those kids. because he talked about wanting to put the song on his album Dangerous but there was not room for it. I also have photos of the evidence that they took from Brad Millers office and a tape recorder in the safe of Michael’s bedroom. It contained a recording of Earth Song that was dated 6/8/89, which should give you an idea about how long it took him to finish a song. I think we should stop reading her blog we can’t spend time refuting every foolish thing that person says.That tape of Earth Song is a prime example of the genius of Michael Jackson. He could write the words and sing the music but Michael Jackson could not read or write musical notes. He thought in beat and melody and poetry. No one else on this planet since Mozart has been able to do that.

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  86. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 6:51 am

    Hey does anyone speak German to translate so I know what that boy is saying?

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  87. Teva permalink
    July 27, 2011 6:43 am

    I also like your idea Ares.

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  88. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 6:36 am

    There was a young German boy that was interviewed by a television news program in 1993 defending Michael like Brett and Wade did. I don’t understand German so I don’t know what is being said but it was played here as well and I think that is where the Chandlers came up with the idea that they had to say someone from Germany had accused MJ too.CNN was the network that aired the stories about Brett, Wade, and this German kid whose name I don’t know.

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  89. lcpledwards permalink
    July 27, 2011 6:01 am

    @ Shelly
    I debunked the story about the German kid in the post, at the very end. Did you read it? Both Dimond and Ray Chandler talked about it in their respective books, and I pointed out all of the inconsistencies in their stories.

    I will have to agree with Ares, Shelly, and ask that you try to be more specific when you talk about the allegations. You mentioned Chris Anderson, but didn’t mention who he is, nor did you make any attempt to refute him, and that obviously confused Ares. You have to be more careful about that in the future.

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  90. lynande51 permalink
    July 27, 2011 5:57 am

    The Author of Michael Jackson Unauthorized. The first book out in 1994 about the case. It is just the same thing that was being reported by every tabloid as a matter of fact that is what he lists as his source in the index of his book.I have it so I know.
    There is no point to debunking his book because it contains all the same information as the Chandler, Dimond and Gutierrez nonsense. Once you do one you do them all cause they are just repetitions of all the same tabloid stories.

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  91. ares permalink
    July 27, 2011 5:32 am

    Ok, thank you Teva.

    Can i ask for a favour and especially Shelly? I know that you are particularly interested in the molestation facts but there are people who read the blog and they are either not familiar with names, people and situations yet or ,like me, can’t remember all the names. I did a research and found out who this Chris guy is. The dude wrote that Unauthorised smear book about MJ and many similar books about other celebrities and his main sources were/are tabloids stories, lies and his imagination. Basically he is a professional liar who is making money by writting fictions about celebrities.Not a very trustworthy person, to say the least.
    It would be nice the next time that you post something that someone claimed about MJ, and especially claims about m.tion and picking boys at night, to say who that someone is and where he said it so if someone is new to the blog or isn’t familiar with the particular person,can easily see that his claims are false, already debunked and basically not worthy for discussion.
    Call me paranoid but i don’t think it’s very good to leave comments regarding serious claims like those made by Andersen, without debunking them or at least presenting the other side of the story.Especially when we know that this blog is also read by people with not so frendly feelings towards MJ.

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  92. Teva permalink
    July 27, 2011 4:48 am

    “Chris Andersen spoke about a german kid being the victim of MJ and others kids he allegedly picked up on the streets for one night.” – Shelly

    Wow sounds like he interviewed that kid from Mississauga Canada. The one DD hunted down. He was a street kid.

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  93. Teva permalink
    July 27, 2011 4:34 am

    He is one of D’s favourite authors, and a former editor of People’s magazine.

    Ps
    Someone please correct if I am wrong about the editor part.

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  94. ares permalink
    July 27, 2011 3:53 am

    What? Who is Chris Andersen?

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  95. shelly permalink
    July 27, 2011 3:37 am

    Chris Andersen spoke about a german kid being the victim of MJ and others kids he allegedly picked up on the streets for one night.

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  96. lynande51 permalink
    July 20, 2011 7:52 am

    No that is Karlee. There is a photo of the barnes family in Aphrodites Jones book but she has them as June and Jordan and an unknown man. She was mistaken it was the Barnes family, Brett, Lizbeth, Karlee and their father in Las Vegas.

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  97. shelly permalink
    July 20, 2011 2:19 am

    I think it’s Brandi Jackson.

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  98. shelly permalink
    July 20, 2011 12:42 am

    http://imgur.com/0IZlL

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  99. lynande51 permalink
    July 20, 2011 12:36 am

    The photo doesn’t show for me it says an error occured. Can you just save it them send it to me?

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  100. July 20, 2011 12:29 am

    Karlee Barnes?

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  101. shelly permalink
    July 20, 2011 12:26 am

    Does someone know who is that girl?

    http://mjphotoscollectors.com/index.php?/gallery/image/37014-06jpg/

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  102. July 19, 2011 11:22 pm

    Are you a member of MJPhotocollectors? Here’s 3T in Tokyo with him

    Von Thurn and Brett an Mike in Eurodisney

    http://mjphotoscollectors.com/index.php?/gallery/image/14848-eurodisneyjune1992groupgg-b310jpg/

    There were some others where you could see them behind him too, but I can’t find them right now…

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  103. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 10:59 pm

    All those people saw him with Barnes and they never had problems leaving their kids with him. Do you have pictures of the 3t during the dangerous tour?

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  104. July 19, 2011 10:53 pm

    Here’s the story of one of the girls from Gabon where he stayed then…

    Miss Bongo Ondimba

    Girl in white, first met him when he visited Gabon in February, 1992

    “I met him in Africa when he came to my country and he spent 3 days in my family’s house when he visited our village. I was about 7/8yrs old. We met him because my uncle and my grandma, who is an African singer are friends with his brother Jermaine. When he visited Gabon, my grandpa was President of the country so he invited him to do a show in Gabon. In my country, Gabon, he stayed at the “Okoumé Palace” when he was in Libreville (the capital) and in my family house when he went to my village. MJ wanted to see a village so my grandpa invited him to our family coumpound in Franceville (a Gabonese village). We know the Jackson family because my uncle and grandma are friends with Jermaine.

    I met him a couple of times in the US, mostly with my nephews/nieces and one time in Paris. Jermaine was at my grandpa’s funeral representing the Jackson family, they are kind of family friends.

    My best memory is when my cousins and I tried to teach him our African language (so hilarious). He really loved everything about Africa (except the food) and wanted to know everything about it. Michael Jackson loved his race and loved Africa, he was fond of the African arts, mostly the tribal mask and the pygmy, and he was obsessed with traditional african dance. He talked a lot to his kids about africa.

    About the food… it’s because in my country, and especially my ethnie, we eat a lot of meat like crocodile, “game animals”, porcupine, wild boar, snake, so if you’re not used to that then it’s kind of weird. But he love the vegetables and the way we cook the chicken.

    He tried a lot though, and he didn’t want us, the people cooking the food, to tell him what meal he was trying to eat. I don’t have any funny stories about the food, but I will just forever remember his face when we were eating monkey! So hilarious.

    The last time I saw him was a couple of months before his death, it was at one of my little cousin’s birthday. He came with his kids and Grace but only stayed for about 20 minutes, leaving his kids with us, and then came back at the end of the party to take them. I found Grace to be kind, she wasn’t very talkative or warm, except with Michael’s kid, but once you get to know her she is nice.

    Then he called my family for the death of my grandpa a few days before his.

    I wasn’t at his memorial. My grandpa died 2/3 weeks before him so my family and I were grieving at home in Gabon, but my uncle and his wife were at his memorial and the funeral, representing the family.

    http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/mjs-female-kid-friends/

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  105. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 10:42 pm

    Did he went alone wit Barnes in Africa or do we know if there other kids with him?

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  106. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 10:34 pm

    I guess they were probably sleeping with him in his bedroom.

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  107. July 19, 2011 10:01 pm

    Oh and 3T were with him, there are photos of them with him on the tour. Also other Jacksons, Brandi was with him, she picked up the phone when Glenda called, he was on tour alrerady during that phonecall.

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  108. lynande51 permalink
    July 19, 2011 9:58 pm

    Gotham Chopra was also with him. He was there with his father in Bucharest.

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  109. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 8:59 pm

    Taraborrelli did say in his book that Albert was travelling alone with MJ and Barnes.

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  110. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 8:37 pm

    The good question would be to know if he was travelling alone with MJ. From what I understand he toured with MJ during the Dangerous tour.

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  111. July 19, 2011 8:21 pm

    @Shelly

    That’s a great story! So another guy there at the same time, along with Brett’s family and Teddy Riley and his daughter.

    In the early 90s around then the papers would talk about Michael and the Von Thurn family hanging out.

    http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_q=michael+jackson&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Search+Archives&as_epq=von+thurn&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_user_ldate=1990&as_user_hdate=1992&lr=&as_src=&as_price=p0&as_scoring=a

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  112. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 7:35 pm

    I don’t know if it’s the good post, but in fact MJ wasn’t alone with Barnes when he did the Dangerous Tour, there were other kids with them like albert von Thurn und Taxis

    http://www.finchsquarterly.com/2741/never-neverland-again/

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  113. shelly permalink
    May 14, 2011 8:04 pm

    I guess on page 17, they are speaking about the Dimond’s kid, when they said interview male juvenile from Vancouver.

    http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/100804peoprespstatrpt.pdf

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  114. shelly permalink
    April 29, 2011 3:35 pm

    By the way, if they really believe Safechuck was molested, why didn’t they try to introduce his 1994 testimony to the grand jury in their prior bad act. It’s on page 15 of the same document.

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  115. shelly permalink
    April 29, 2011 12:44 pm

    I don’t know where to put that but on page 14 they spoke about a fax involving Rodney Allen.

    http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011305declyurespmotcompel06.pdf

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  116. Suzy permalink
    April 12, 2011 8:48 am

    Aaron Carter always defended Michael. He said that he wasn’t a child molester and that he wasn’t gay. He saw him flirting with women, he said.

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  117. Dialdancer permalink
    April 12, 2011 8:09 am

    It is amazing that people are willing to subject their children to the kind of scrutiny that goes along with any case where sexual misconduct is involved, especially when there has been none.

    MJFC: November 11, 2004

    Friedman: [Jackson]-Aaron Carter Story Doesn’t Jibe

    Roger Friedman’s column on November 10, 2004:

    There’s a little fallout from Access Hollywood’s big “scoop” the other day regarding Michael
    Jackson. Teen singer Aaron Carter’s mother, Jane, told the syndicated show that she was very concerned last year when 15-year-old Aaron stayed overnight at Neverland following Michael’s 45th birthday party.

    Well, not exactly. Michael’s birthday celebration was held at the Orpheum Theatre in Los
    Angeles on Aug. 30, 2003. Access Hollywood was actually there and filmed it, but somehow all that got lost in translation. If Carter had been there, he was not caught on camera by the paparazzi.

    Jane Carter, who’s been on the outs with her son for several months and no doubt received
    compensation for her story, may have been confused about the dates and events. Her two sons, Aaron and Nick, were at Neverland on Sept. 13, 2003, for a charity fundraiser. That event resulted in Neverland being jammed with guests, lots of kids, parents and Jackson family members. One insider who was there told me she remembers Carter, but finds it unlikely that there was an opportunity for him to spend time alone with Jackson.

    Calls to Jane Carter and her husband, Robert, were not returned.
    Source: FoxNews; Fox411 Roger Friedman by special permission / MJFC

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138118,00.html#2

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  118. Teva permalink
    April 9, 2011 12:35 pm

    Bartucci was not one of the prior “bad acts”.

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  119. Dialdancer permalink
    April 9, 2011 6:39 am

    Still looking to a photo of Capon, but found one of Bartucci and more importantly found out Bartucci alleged he was “molested” at the age of 18 by Michael…….18 yrs old. So that kills the 1984 “molestation” business the haters have been hanging on to for so long.

    Smoking Gun:
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jacko-accusers-lawyer-beat-it
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/bizarre-jackson-sex-abuse-lawsuit

    Did Sneddon really make this one of the alleged “prior bad acts” or did Dimond just add him to the list?

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  120. Dialdancer permalink
    April 2, 2011 5:24 am

    Has anyone ever seen a photo of Daniel Kapon? Since he alleges Michael forced him to undergo surgery to look like Michael I was just wondering if there were any pictures or a description of his face to back up his claim, to give some logical explanation for Allred taking on this case? Now I did say logical.

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  121. Suzy permalink
    March 21, 2011 8:42 am

    I remember there used to be some speculations in the media about whether Brandon Adams (the boy who played in Moonwalker with Sean Lennon and Kellie Parker and who danced in “Badder” and “Smooth Criminal”) was a “victim” and whether Michael paid him off. Of course, it was just the usual ill-willed speculation by haters. Here is what Brandon wrote on his website after Michael’s death:

    “A Note for the Greatest Talent Performer of all history Michael Jackson.. The King of Pop!

    June 26, 2009

    The loss of another great one has come upon us this week. Michael Jackson was a legend, a icon, and just an all around good hearted beautiful human being. My heart is very sad with the lost of my friend, there is no words that can express the grief and the pain that I’m feeling in my heart right now. Michael was my idol growing up and he was also my friend. I feel extremely blessed to have had the oppurtunity to meet him, get to know him, and even work with him. I discovered who I was and the talents that I possess as an individual thru the influence of Michael Jackson. He was thee greatest entertainer of all time, there will never be another Michael. He has reached so many people with his music all over the world. He was an inspiration for so many out there. I still cant believe he’s gone.

    Still to this day, no matter where I go, no matter how many other project’s I’ve been involved with, everyone from my friends, to family, my peers, have always said the same thing to me, and that is that I was the luckiest kid in the world to have met and worked with the legendary king of pop Michael Jackson. Those memories I will forever Cherish and treasure.

    I also want to take the opportunity to send my condolences and sorrow to all of Michael’s family, friends, and fans all over the world. I know this is a very sad moment for all of us. I will keep my friend MJ in my prayers and will look forward to one day reuniting with him. We all know he’s in a better place.

    Michael thank you for giving me those priceless memories and allowing me to be part of your history and life.

    I will Miss you!

    Your friend and best child impersanator,

    Brandon Q. Adams”

    http://www.bqadams.com/6.html

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  122. February 5, 2011 5:10 pm

    “Thanks for posting the follow up to Terry, just more nails in the coffin.”

    Guys, the only thing we should always remember about Terry George is that since the beginning of his career as an interviewer of celebrities he has RECORDED each and every of his conversations with them. Later on he offered them to radio channels, and this is how he made a certain “name” for himself in his locality.

    There is absolutely NO CHANCE he could MISS the opportunity to record a conversation with MJ – especially if it were “telephone sex”. If he had had a record like that we would have heard it (or about it) a million times already, it would have been No.1 exhibit in the Prosecution list in 2005 and we would have had the ‘pleasure’ to read and learn by heart the most intimate parts of it.

    If the record was never presented to court it can mean only one thing – there was NEVER a tape like that, and that’s that.

    For details everyone can check Terry’s own biography in his blog and this I hope will close the discussion once and for all (though I don’t recommend going there not to increase his traffic – this guy will shut up only when everyone stops listening).

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  123. January 31, 2011 6:12 pm

    @Lezlie

    He’s a fairweather. He tries very hard to make himself look like he was always MJ’s biggest fan all the way through now and the only person who ever believed his innocence. Lies. I think Vindicate just showed the other day how he included excerpts from Victor’s book in his own book.

    He does a lot of things like that that bug me – for example when Mike had that fight with Lisa Marie in 1995 and he went on that 6 week vacation from her, he spent some of that time with the Cascio’s. In JRT’s book you’d think Mike had only spent that time with 2 young boys. Marie Nicole and the parents and his cousins just *poof* vanish.

    I’m also curious about something in All That Glitters – someone told me the other day that Raymond tried to say or suggest that Jordi might’ve been gay in the book (as a reason for why Jordie was supposedly so complicit with Mike), does anyone know if that’s true?

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  124. ares permalink
    January 31, 2011 4:05 pm

    @Lezlie
    Taraborelly’s opinion about MJ changes according to the general attitude.If the general attitude is pro Jackson, then his opinion is more positive. If it is against MJ,then he RT has no hesitation to bury Michael. For me he is just a slimeball who has made money and a name on MJ’s back. A disgusting dude.

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  125. January 31, 2011 4:04 pm

    Lezlie, Taraborelli supported MJ’s innocence since 1993 and he still does. He has complained about the editing of Peretti’s laughable documentary and since he is trying only to give live interviews.

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  126. Lezlie permalink
    January 31, 2011 1:23 pm

    It is just me or am I the only one that feels like “All That Glitters” was written as a way for the Chandler’s to address certain issues that made them look like they were lying?

    I haven’t read Ray Chandler’s or Dian Dimond’s book, and I most certainly do NOT want to waste my money on it. However, if anyone has PDF copies of these (and any other Jackson-detractor book), please let me know. I’d like to read them.

    Also, I’m on the fence about J. Randy Taraborelli. Was he truly Michael’s friend. I have to ask because I’ve seen conflicting statements in regards to the allegations against Jackson. In one instance, it looks like he believes he’s guilty, and then in the next he’s proclaiming his innocence. I don’t know what to believe about that man….Maybe he’s trying to be objective? I don’t know….Please enlighten me, guys.

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  127. January 31, 2011 11:01 am

    Question here: In what year did Terry George make this statement. “but there were no overt sexual messages.”? He was contacted by the Tabs and shortly after that sold his tale in 93. And we are back to Michael having made the transatlantic phone calls which cost the recipient nothing.

    I’m wondering if it’s from this documentary:

    two days before the November raid a docu aired, “George also gave a televised denial in a documentary which coincidentally aired just TWO DAYS before the Nov 2003 Neverland raid. At that time he was all “My friends blew what happened out of all proportion and Hey, I’d love to get back in touch with Michael and be friends again.”

    It goes in line with what he in MJ’s Secret Childhood 2003, “parts of the story are true.” So helpful when they admit to being liars, huh?

    I think in 1993 it was good cash for him to sell stories to the tabloids, but then in 2003-2005 he backtracked on them, because it got serious and he could have been called to the stand to testify under oath. Knowing he was lying he didn’t want that, of course.

    Yup. They’re all such cowards.

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  128. Suzy permalink
    January 31, 2011 6:57 am

    @ rockonforever

    Thanks. Enlightening.

    Although he is playing the victim of the tabloid media here, I think he has his part in it. Parts of the story are true? Well, I guess the part that he met MJ a couple of times as a fan and that he was obsessed with MJ and tried to get to him to hotel rooms (and failed, of course, because Michael didn’t want what he wanted…..). That’s all that is true from it IMO.

    I think in 1993 it was good cash for him to sell stories to the tabloids, but then in 2003-2005 he backtracked on them, because it got serious and he could have been called to the stand to testify under oath. Knowing he was lying he didn’t want that, of course.

    Not that I was ever concerned about this guy. It was so clear that those stories are not true. However it’s a good piece of information that even he was flip-flopping about his story.

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  129. Dialdancer permalink
    January 31, 2011 3:21 am

    @ Shelly,

    There are Tabloid articles of Terry George’s story in Michael’s FBI File. He too became strangely silent when faced with putting his story in writing in his own words for record.

    Another thought from going over previous posts. The phone just ringing at the Chandler house I believe because the Media was all over them like a dirty rash so much so Evan and Jordan hid out at Feldman’s office for a couple of days. What are the chances with the Media constantly calling that (1) you would publicize your telephone number so it is available to someone in another country (2) you haven’t changed your number to private and screen the calls not to be harassed by Media and MJ Fans? It may be redundant, but that lie has so many holes in it and is so insulting until it irks me.

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  130. Dialdancer permalink
    January 31, 2011 3:07 am

    Never having seen Jackson’s Boys I cannot say if it was an unintentional character assassination, but I can say with conviction David Jone’s article was a most deliberate
    character assassination. He pulled out all the stops.

    Question here: In what year did Terry George make this statement. “but there were no overt sexual messages.”? He was contacted by the Tabs and shortly after that sold his tale in 93. And we are back to Michael having made the transatlantic phone calls which cost the recipient nothing.

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  131. January 30, 2011 10:51 pm

    I guess he’s been flip flopping ever since.

    Michael Jackson’s Secret Childhood 2003
    Terry George: Parts of the story are true. I mean the majority of it is true. Unfortunately, that story tends to focus on that ten-second part of the conversation, well three-minute part of the conversation.

    http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?f=13/Mi…rry-George.html

    I gave no interview!
    Despite not having given an interview to the newspapers since 1993, the following ‘exclusives’ appeared on the front pages of the Sunday People and the Sunday Star on the 23rd November 2003. I had been offered a large sum of money to give my story, but had declined. How therefore are they able to claim that this story is an ‘exclusive’? Is it because they both came out at the same time? Is it because they re-hashed an article which was written ten years ago? Or was it an exclusive because they took images and mis-quoted the Louis Theroux documentary? It is a no-win situation – when the papers want to get their story, they will print it with or without your co-operation. “I did not sell or give an interview to the Sunday People or the Sunday Star”.

    What’s so interesting, though, is that George also gave a televised denial in a documentary which coincidentally aired just TWO DAYS before the Nov 2003 Neverland raid. At that time he was all “My friends blew what happened out of all proportion and Hey, I’d love to get back in touch with Michael and be friends again.”

    ‘Brit Star Witness Could Nail J@cko’ says Sunday People
    By Steve Myall, The Sunday People
    Jan 23 2005

    Terry’s Comments:

    I find it most odd that the press can run a story like this without me having any knowledge of a court appearance. The press never contacted me about this story;
    They never asked me for any comments or even checked with me if it was true. I won’t be at any trial on 31st Jan, as I will be on my way to Rio to photograph the carnival.

    Yet another “EXCLUSIVE”, fake story similar to that in a similar newspaper printed on the same day (The Sunday Star).

    The most upsetting thing was that they got my age wrong!

    The Daily Star Sunday
    January 23rd 2005

    Terry’s Comments: I find the term victim offensive – I have never seen myself as a victim of MJ. The only time I become a victim is when these innacurate reports are printed.

    JACKSON’S ‘PHONE SEX’ WITNESS Says: contactmusic.com (Jan 23 ’05)
    23/01/2005 21:36

    Terry’s Comments:

    Come on guys! Please check your story first and get your facts right. This is the sort of s*** I expect from the tabloid press not a website such as yours.

    The papers have nothing new to say, they are just filling space because they think I make a good British link to Michael’s case and all what they have written has been written before except they had a tip off that I have been contacted by Santa Barbara county sheriff’s department.

    For your information: I won’t be at any trial on 31st Jan, as I will be on my way to Rio photographing the carnival

    http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?showtopic=1445&view=findpost&p=19195

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  132. shelly permalink
    January 30, 2011 10:45 pm

    @ares

    I know he lied and by the way nobody took him seriously.

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  133. ares permalink
    January 30, 2011 10:42 pm

    @shelly
    He is a liar

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  134. shelly permalink
    January 30, 2011 10:21 pm

    @Suzy

    In his first interview, for the Sun, Terry George said there were sexual messages. He is in the FBI files.

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  135. Suzy permalink
    January 29, 2011 5:28 am

    @ rockonforever

    I didn’t realize that Terry George first said nothing happened. Not that I’m surprised, of course we all know he lied later on as the tabloid media were willing to pay him for “stories”. Same with Scott Thorson. When he was on Larry King in 2002 and he was asked if he had other homosexual relationships than Liberace, he said no. Larry King, I suppose, didn’t pay for the interview. But as soon as Thorson was interviewed by tabloids – and during the trial – he suddenly “remembered” he had an affair with Michael. How typical!

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  136. January 29, 2011 2:56 am

    I stumbled on this description of that documentary “Jacksons Boys” (which I kind of want to see as they supposedly speak to Jimmy Safechuck and he says nothing happened) and it mentioned Terry:

    http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?showtopic=1432&view=findpost&p=19038

    TV Today

    Jackson’s Boys documentary – unintentional character assassination?

    26·01·2005, 6:01pm

    The first ‘boy’ that the program focussed on – Terry George – was from Leeds and, having exchanged phone numbers after interviewing Jackson in his hotel room in the late seventies, they had stayed in touch. When Terry asked Michael what his interests were, Jackson replied “I like kids a lot”, but there were no overt sexual messages.

    So it seems back in this first interview he was telling people no overt sexual messages were exchanged.

    @Vindicate

    Thanks for posting the follow up to Terry, just more nails in the coffin. He wasn’t bothering me but I just like exposing all these rats for what they are, you know? I consider it a hobby.😉

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  137. January 5, 2011 11:16 pm

    @VindicateMJ

    “Teva the fact that Michael once travelled by train is not a sign of his guilt!”

    Who said anything about guilt, I am simply stating a fact. There was a discussion as to whether Michael ever travelled on a train, and I pointed to the fact that he did.

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  138. January 5, 2011 6:28 pm

    “NOBODY else could be next to him except for his personal bodyguards and his entourage. Nobody else was allowed to approach and nobody else could a room next to his.”

    Olga, of course! When they stayed in a hotel they had to book the whole floor – and NOT because of Michael’s extravagant style as some would suggest – but because it was a NECESSITY. Kit Culkin (Macauley’s father) says that even old ladies behaved like schoolgirls when they were around Michael. The army of them was ready to mob him:

    There was the time when Michael paid a call on us at a hotel in which we were lodged in Chicago. This particular establishment had a garden restaurant on its roof, and I remember that as I was standing this day in front of the elevator bank on our floor awaiting a trip to the lobby, that one of the elevator doors opened to reveal a lift perfectly packed with ‘little old ladies’ enroute upstairs for lunch. Giggles perfectly wafted from within, I recall, and I could hear Michael’s name being bandied about amidst the merriment.

    Now, rather obviously, this army of ladies (none of whom could have been less than sixty-five or seventy years old, I should imagine) had quite deliberately pressed the button for our floor, having heard (no doubt, and on the Q.T.) that Michael was somewhere about. Giggled and giggled and giggled like little schoolgirls they did ‘til the elevator door closed, the better to whisk them all upstairs to their afternoon’s repast. “Good grief!”, I remember thinking. “Is there no limit to the demographics of Michael’s appeal?!” Made me laugh, it did.

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  139. Olga permalink
    January 5, 2011 5:26 pm

    Whoever followed everything about Michael Jackson’s life for over 20 years like I did, knows that NOBODY else could be next to him except for his personal bodyguards and his entourage. Nobody else was allowed to approach and nobody else could get a room next to his. That’s pure science fiction.

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  140. January 5, 2011 4:46 pm

    “Michael did take a train ride in the early 90s, this is according to David Nordahl in his interview on Reflections Of The Dance. He said Michael called him from a train. He does not say where the train originated, its destination, or Michael’s travel entourage just that Michael was excited to be on a train.”

    Teva, the fact that Michael once travelled by train is not a sign of his guilt! He could have gone by train once, twice or lots of times. This is not the point. The point is that he couldn’t travel without his entourage as it was impossible to keep his identity secret on a train. In a car it is possible, because you are alone there – but not on a train.

    – If he was travelling alone he should have been either in disguise (and then he couldn’t have been recognized by that couple) or he should have been mobbed by the crowd. There is simply no other alternative.

    – If he wasn’t travelling alone his bodyguards should have been in the adjoining compartment. And then the couple couldn’t have heard anything either. So whichever way you look the whole thing is totally absurd.

    Nordahl says that Michael was excited to be on a train – so this means it was a rare occurrance for him.

    Let’s assume the impossible – that 1) Michael was without his entourage, 2) was not wearing a disguise, 3) was with a child (evidently to draw more attention to himself) and he was “so excited” that he decided to make “strange noises” so that the people in the adjoining compartment definitely noticed both of them and reported them to the D.A.

    If some think that all the above ridiculous conditions are possible then the only explanation I can give to them is that it was either an impostor or Michael playing a prank on them. They may think whatever they like but should agree with me that Michael was NO fool and wouldn’t do “it” amid the curious crowd (in fact, he wouldn’t do it anywhere at all!).

    And WHAT could they hear? The noise of a train is so LOUD that even a murder can go unnoticed there!

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  141. January 4, 2011 11:14 pm

    @DialDancer & VindicateMJ,

    Michael did take a train ride in the early 90s, this is according to David Nordahl in his interview on Reflections Of The Dance. He said Michael called him from a train. He does not say where the train originated, its destination, or Michael’s travel entourage just that Michael was excited to be on a train.

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  142. January 4, 2011 9:39 pm

    “We haven’t seen the last of Terry George! He was interviewed by Bashir in “MJ’s Secret World”, which I have already transcribed and will post in a few weeks (once the preliminary trial is over, and after I post the 2005 Harvard seminar transcript). Bashir just asked him a few softball questions and didn’t attempt to scrutinize his story.”

    David, if Bashir likes fairy tales Terry is the man for him. If you look up his site you’ll see a special page dedicated to MJ. This page is made up of several newspaper articles where he calls himself MJ’s friend with nothing to prove his bragging. This guy is just a cunning businessman who made his name out of several interviews with celebrities visiting his town. He turned himself into a local star this way. If he had really had anything incriminating on MJ he would have turned himself into an international star long ago. I really think that the best punishment for him would be to forget him altogether.

    As to Nancy Grace – when I was looking for Larry King’s interview with Johnnie Cochran I found some more information on both. I surprised me greatly to learn that Nancy Grace and Johnnie were friends. I don’t know what to make of it yet but it is somewhat disturbing, isn’t it?

    Here are a couple of links:

    1) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/29/lkl.01.html

    It starts with Larry King saying: “Tonight, legendary lawyer Johnnie Cochran is dead at age 67. We’ll have exclusive first reaction from his one- time client, Sean “P. Diddy” Combs, plus Johnnie Cochran’s friends, like CNN Headline Prime’s Nancy Grace, his former Court TV co-host; attorney Ben Brafman, Cochran’s co-counsel on the P. Diddy case; attorney Barry Scheck, a member of Cochran’s O.J. Simpson dream team; William Epps, Johnnie Cochran’s pastor for 18 years; and Chris Darden, one of Cochran’s opponents on the O.J. Simpson case, still his friend”.

    2) I promised Teva a link to Larry King’s interview with Johnnie Cochran – where I expected him to stand up for MJ in the same way Thomas Mesereau does it. However what he said there put me a little on my guard – not in terms of Michael’s “guilt” (which was never there) but in terms of his Johnnie’s desire (or lack of it) to defend MJ: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/18/lkl.00.html .Some of his replies made me resentful, for example:

    KING: Kirksville, Missouri. Hello.

    CALLER: Yes. I have a question for the panel.

    KING: Sure.

    CALLER: In a case like Scott Peterson’s or Michael’s, does the defense attorneys know the truth?

    KING: Johnnie?

    COCHRAN: That’s a good question. I think that — who knows the truth? I mean, from a standpoint — your client says they’re innocent. And you go in and investigate the facts. And you — you know, from a standpoint, you present what the facts are. You can’t change the facts. They are what they are, and you just deal with it. Now, if a client says they’re guilty, Larry, that’s when you dispose of the case. You plead them guilty. You make — you work — you enter them into a plea bargain.

    KING: You can’t let your client lie.

    COCHRAN: No, you don’t let them lie at all. Now, if the client says, I’m guilty, and…

    CARL: But I want you to get me off.

    COCHRAN: … you try to work the best deal you can. But if he’s says, I’m guilty and I want to — you can’t let them testify… (CROSSTALK)

    or this:

    COCHRAN: … he would never harm a child. He said he loved children. He would never harm a child. I mean, he said it was all innocent, very innocent. Now…

    GRACE: It’s all in your definition of love.

    COCHRAN: … as his lawyer — we’d all advise him, Don’t ever put yourself in that position. That’s who Michael Jackson is. He’s a very, very naive person in many respects, and there’s no question about that. So I think that, yes, he does wear a bullseye on him, and so…

    CARL: Johnnie, I’d like to know, as an attorney, at some point, have you all said, Don’t sleep in bed with little boys anymore, as his attorney?

    KING: Has somebody said that?

    CARL: Has somebody…

    COCHRAN: Well, I think it’s not appropriate for us to say what we’ve said to him. But obviously, you could probably surmise that many of us…

    (CROSSTALK)

    What I mean is that it doesn’t sound like Thomas Mesereau, does it? WE know and have proved that Michael was innocent – so why doesn’t Johnnie Cochran say it point blank? His word and his DEFINITE position in this matter could have convinced many people – so why is he beating about the bush instead?

    It seems that he never took the trouble to REALLY look into the case.

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  143. lcpledwards permalink
    January 4, 2011 8:37 pm

    @helena and Rockforeveron
    We haven’t seen the last of Terry George! He was interviewed by Bashir in “MJ’s Secret World”, which I have already transcribed and will post in a few weeks (once the preliminary trial is over, and after I post the 2005 Harvard seminar transcript). Bashir just asked him a few softball questions and didn’t attempt to scrutinize his story. I have made copies of it on DVD and will send them out to you soon!

    I also recently purchased “The Trials of Michael Jackson” DVD (not to be confused with Lynton Guest’s book), and it is about the relationship between the fans and the media more than the actual trial itself. There are also numerous clips of media pundits predicting MJ’s guilt. For example, if anyone had any doubts about Nancy Grace’s biased coverage, than look no further than her atrocious behavior during jury deliberations! She actually wore a single sequined glove on her show, mocking MJ! And she also reported that in many Las Vegas casinos, the odds of MJ being convicted were 2:1! She had an animated slot machine that had MJ’s photo (instead of cherries, apples, and the usual slot machine symbols), and to me proves that her show was more about entertainment than factual reporting! I’ll send out copies of this as well. Here is the website:
    http://www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com/

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  144. January 4, 2011 2:29 pm

    Rockforeveron: “I’m sure the reason he didn’t take it to court in 2005 was because he’d have to come up with a good reason for how and why and where he met Michael in the late 70s, something that is very hard for people who lie on MJ to do because it wasn’t that easy to meet him and you’d need to make sure the dates matched up, the hotels, who else was there, etc.

    Guys, I don’t know why Terry George is still bothering you. I’ve looked him up again after Rockforeveron mentioned him and find the guy A COMPLETE JOKE.

    If you visit his site: http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/about/biography/ you will learn from his biography that from the age of 12 he – “never the shrinking violet” – interviewed famous people as his hobby. It says that he was a star-struck lad and that his tapes were important enough to be broadcast on the local radio (so all of them were meant for open air discussion):

    “Many of his interviews were not only personal scoops for the star-struck lad but chats thought to be important enough to be broadcast by local radio stations. Amongst those caught on tape by Terry were a selection of ‘superstars’ as diverse as Michael Jackson, with whom he became friends (read separate account on this web-site), Omar Sharif, Paul McCartney, Boy George, Les Dawson, Dick Emery and over three hundred other big names from show biz.”

    So when one of the articles (in the separate account on his web-site) says: “The prosecution believe a phone conversation between Mr George and Jackson in 1979 could be key evidence” – the article evidently refers to that completely official tape presented on the radio. No wonder Tom Sneddon never used it.

    Terry wanted to become famous and to do so he recorded each of his conversations with the stars. But if he recorded every precious little bit his conversation with MJ involving “masturbation” should have been the gem in his collection – to sell it to the media at an astronomical sum, to blackmail MJ or to seek compensation from him for the “damage” done.

    And if Terry had had an incriminating tape it would have by all means landed in the hands of Tom Sneddon. If it didn’t it means that there was NOTHING to show or listen to.

    As simple as that.

    The rest of the information on his site is a poorly-disguised attempt to show that Terry and Michael “were friends” which – as you understand – is a great tool in promoting his business based on attracting celebrities to a night gay club he once ran, etc. He is just wagging his tongue as you will not find a single shread of evidence there to prove his words! NOTHING except some crap showing “how important he is” and some newspaper cuts proving that Michael and the Jackson 5 did perform in his hometown back in the 70s. That is ALL.

    In short Terry George IS a self made man who made his career solely on boasting his fictional “friendship” with Michael Jackson.

    It was about characters like him that Michael once said: “I’ve seen lawyers who do not represent me and spokespeople who do not know me speaking for me.”

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  145. January 4, 2011 11:57 am

    And by sleuthing I meant the people who investigated his claims – I’m sure the reason he didn’t take it to court in 2005 was because he’d end up looking like that guy who claimed he’d been kidnapped by MJ at a time when MJ wasn’t even in his state. He’d have to come up with a good reason for how and why and where he met Michael in the late 70s, something that is very hard for people who lie on MJ to do because it wasn’t that easy to meet him and you’d need to make sure the dates matched up, the hotels, who else was there, etc) so much so that he was able to speak to him on the phone numerous times, have MJ masturbate to him, then be ditched by him, then suddenly reconnect with him in 1983 and then be ditched by him again.

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  146. January 4, 2011 11:50 am

    Terry George is also known as Terry G Kernachan, Terence G Kermachan, Terence G Kermachan and his age on People Finder is shown as 45

    http://www.192.com/people/search/?sk=fb32239e-feb4-44ce-a5a2-6b642f1555a4&county=West%20Yorkshire&region=Yorkshire%20And%20The%20Humber&gre=421638&grn=428118&distance=71007

    So he has no evidence of meeting MJ then (when MJ spent most of that year filming The Wiz), his photos are clearly from at least 1983 when he was at least 18 as you guys have pointed out.

    He says

    Terry told the tabloids that after this MJ rejected him and he was trying to get to him in hotels or wherever he was but he just cut him off.

    So after this phone conversation when he was 13 MJ cut him off? Which is why he has two photos with him in 1983? And you can tell it’s 1983 because you can see his malar rash, something that only flared up in that year. I’d guess like most people he fell in love with MJ after Thriller and stalked him out and got lucky with two shots of him then. No evidence of any other interaction before that, something I’m sure anyone who did any sleuthing could tell you.

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  147. Dialdancer permalink
    September 19, 2010 11:17 pm

    I am collecting the trial transcripts for easier access and reading each as I go along. I previously read some and skimmed through others. It is interesting the things you pick up on which went unnoticed before.

    That is the absolute beauty of sites like this, MJ777, allforlove and others, the daily contributions, updates on information and persons. They allow you to revisit events with new information and a better understanding.

    After reading Jason Francia testimony what struck me was his very last comment after he was permitted to step down from the witness chair. Jason said; “HE NEEDS TO MOVE AWAY”. (speaking of Michael)

    He does not say Michael needs to go to jail as any victim who is so traumatized as Jason professes himself to be would, nor did he suggest Michael needed counseling which would have tied into Jason’s new career.

    No Jason makes what is meant to be a heart rendering plead to make Michael move. Why? Do child molesters need Estates in order to have victims? Not according to Jason who testified he was victimized in a one room location by Michael while his mother worked there at the same time.

    Helena,

    I still have found nothing more on the train trip. It is a pity that the Agent who was called to assist with the 93 allegations wasn’t more experienced. It required a seasoned veteran who was less likely to get caught up in the madness; someone who was able to look beyond Tabloid stories and would not report them as fact, and would document the investigative conclusion of each person’s allegation.

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  148. September 4, 2010 11:41 am

    “I am still looking for answers about the train.”

    Dialdancer, please do. Same as Suzy, the first thing I thought about that train was why Michael was going by train at all – his schedule was always very pressed, so going by train was surely a big loss of time. Also even when he flew he evidently used private aircraft but not usual airlines to avoid all the commotion.

    The second question is why he would be taking a tiny train compartment with some strangers being behind the wall if he usually travelled with a big crowd including bodyguards, etc. and even when staying at a hotel had to take the whole floor (as I read in a recent post by Raven in her allforlove blog) – not for luxury reasons but because of minimum safety and quiet.

    So even if that story is true and those people were not telling an intentional lie has any of you ever thought that they could simply mistake him for another person? Especially if some mad guy was impersonating him on a train but couldn’t afford to create the necessary ‘entourage’?

    Frankly I cannot imagine Michael being all alone (with a boy) on a usual train taking one compartment only and ‘making suspicious noises’ too only to attract further attention to himself…

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  149. September 4, 2010 11:20 am

    “If there had been a verifiable story or even a complaining witness someone would have made the trip to Germany. Germany is not mentioned in this FBI report and neither is the alleged report of molestation. To this day there has not been one story Tabloid or otherwise about a German victim, only vague and unproven references to this boy by the Chandler/Sneddon camps. By the way…. Germany has one of the best social medicine and stay at home Mom programs I have personally seen. If the child needed therapy excellent services were available free of charge. Germany also has very strict laws about child molestation and the reporting of it.”

    Dialdancer, thank you for this addition about Germany. It is very valuable – though no one ever doubted it that in Germany these things were and are well under control. This is just another piece of pure science fiction which is coming from the Chandlers/Gutierrez kitchen again. They are capable of inventing more – so should be analyse each and every of their masterful fantasies? Isn’t it doing them too much honor if we sort through all the dirt they are capable of inventing?

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  150. Suzy permalink
    September 4, 2010 7:48 am

    @ Dialdancer

    Is there any proof at all that Michael indeed travelled by that train at that given time? To me it sounds very strange that a busy man like him would take a train instead of a plane if he wanted to travel to Canada.

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  151. Suzy permalink
    September 4, 2010 7:39 am

    @ Dialdancer

    I think Terry George is obsessed with Michael in a sick way. He claims he has been (phone-)molested by Michael, yet on his website he is proudly presenting his pictures with Michael (along with his pictures with other famous people): http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/about/gallery/_Terry-George-with-Famous-People/

    The pics with Michael are on Page 5 and Page 4. There are two pics I have seen, on none of them does Terry look younger than at least 17-18. Also the pics are no different than the pics he made with other famous people. He seems like a guy who made it a hobby to stalk celebrities and make pictures with them. And Michael was only one of the subjects of that. (I don’t think for a moment they were ever “friends” like he claims. I think he was just a fan stalking Michael.)

    He also has a seperate section on his site titled Terry George & Michael Jackson: http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/about/michael-jackson/

    And his foundation is called “Gone too soon”. Look at this: http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/about/michael-jackson/article/_Michael-Jackson-died-Gone-too-soon-message/

    Sounds just like a molested guy about his molester, doesn’t it?

    IMO he is a crazy “fanboy”, a gay man who is wrapped up in his own fantasies about his idol and the subject of his obsession.

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  152. Dialdancer permalink
    September 4, 2010 5:06 am

    The boy on the train: Again we have more adults who are purportedly suspicious of alleged activities, but do not report them through proper channels. A couple calls from Toronto Canada alleging they heard suspicious noises on 3/7/92, but do not report them until 8/24/93 when the Tabloid stories begin to circulate.

    This couple works in child services. Once again there is no coordination or report of coordination with local law enforcement. There are no further reports of any statements from this Canadian couple; that is assuming they are Canadian, this is ambiguous. They see Michael somewhere in California, but there is no reference to locating the “porter” for corroboration of Michael and the boy’s presence on the train or the supposed complaint of concern.

    According to the way this file is presented the next page is 1/8/94. It speaks of a file with an attached search warrant with affidavit provided by (redacted name) (why? all investigators except the writer of the report and one other are named within the report) There is no copy of the search warrant and affidavit not even one which was completely covered as found with others in this report. For an entire year nothing, then on 8/8/94 the FBI closes this report. Or there is an entire year missing from this report. Now since we all know this Agent had some issues, I can’t see him being nice to Michael and removing anything which could be used against him.

    There are 95 pages deleted from this report. I am still looking for answers about the train.

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  153. Dialdancer permalink
    September 4, 2010 4:19 am

    @ Helena, you addressed his not so boyish appearance in the one and only photo of him and Michael.

    Terry George: There are no reports confirming his reported multiple and lengthy phones which lead to an oversize bill. The Task Force utilized the British Telecom system to check this out. Terry’s false statement of a restraining order against Michael was searched for and nothing was found, none had ever been initiated. These articles occurred on the same day as the FBI’s visit to England and interview with Terry. I have not been able to verify Terry’s true age, it seems to fluctuate. He appears to be getting younger each year.

    I’ve seen 4 different articles or sites where Terry’s age is different. none of his websites he was 40 in 2005 when he said he forgave Michael, but would not be testifying. Another site he was celebrating in 44th birthday in 2010, 42 in 2009. You get the picture.

    In the past 6 years Terry has made a point of stating he did not tell his story to make money as he is already rich. True, Terry is rich now, but he was not then and his seed money came from the many interviews he gave during the years where his story would alter slightly, like his age.

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  154. Dialdancer permalink
    September 4, 2010 4:09 am

    The phantom German boy: There is no physical evidence an alleged German victim ever existed. The FBI Agent making reports to Quantico checked using British and European Tabloids, and telephonic tips for any alleged molestation stories on Michael. What the Agent sent back were Tabloid stories of Terry George and two articles on Detectives Linder’s and Sicard’s scheduled interview with the Quindoy’s in Manila. It is strange how according to Diane Dimond the Chandler’s phone just rang off the hook with calls, but when the international Tip Hotline and Online Webpage was conceived both remained silent.

    If there had been a verifiable story or even a complaining witness someone would have made the trip to Germany. The Agent recorded each request through the Embassy for expediting paperwork at places where either FBI or local law enforcement were utilized for investigation or locations where Task Force members were sent. Germany is not mentioned in this FBI report and neither is the alleged report of molestation. To this day there has not been one story Tabloid or otherwise about a German victim, only vague and unproven references to this boy by the Chandler/Sneddon camps.

    By the way…. Germany has one of the best social medicine and stay at home Mom programs I have personally seen. If the child needed therapy excellent services were available free of charge. Germany also has very strict laws about child molestation and the reporting of it. (Another case of spreading it on too thick and not sticking to what you know) (This may explain why there are no references to this alleged victim in the FBI report. FBI assigned to Germany and national law enforcement would be knowledgeable of these things.)

    Like was there really an international call to the Chandler home.

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  155. lynande51 permalink
    August 26, 2010 6:20 am

    How wonderfully unselfish and concerned for her child Evan is. FELDMAN wasn’t concerned our case was more than solid without them.Yep that does sound like an Evan reaction doen’t it. Why bring anybody else in on the case to divide up the money with if we don’t have to.

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  156. lcpledwards permalink
    August 26, 2010 3:12 am

    Hello everyone, I updated this post and added some new information about a “phantom victim” from Germany! Enjoy!

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  157. August 3, 2010 8:50 pm

    David, this gmail.com is playing tricks on me – I’ve pressed some wrong button and your post of July 23 about another phantom victim disappeared. I am sorry for being so clumsy with it – can you please repeat it?
    I promise to have a serious look at it but hope the phantom will disappear in the same way the post about him did.

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  158. lynande51 permalink
    August 1, 2010 8:39 pm

    I know it’s just like my dog ate my homework.

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  159. Jacqueline M. permalink
    August 1, 2010 5:40 pm

    I think this German kid doesn’t exist. Ray Chandler or Diane Diamond must have invented him… These people are “a little bit” crazy. It’s very easy to say “oh, there are three Spanish kids accusing Michael, but they couldn’t appear because the first is on vacation, the second is sick and the last is shy to appear on T.V. This is the problem with their phantom victims. They NEVER can prove ANYTHING. Do you think it’s coincidence?

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  160. lynande51 permalink
    August 1, 2010 4:41 pm

    I think that DD and Evan had difficulty telling the difference between German children and Norwegian ones. Neither one of them speak a foreign language that is probably what is wrong.

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  161. Kathy permalink
    August 1, 2010 11:58 am

    Now that is interesting!…..German kid!…..who found this kid?…..this is the type of thing this site has that makes it so interesting….if this kid is a real person, even if he was just a friend, he will show up sometime?….do you think so? …..we are waiting for some one to come forward about the other crimes going on in MJ’s world that he might not have known about….Kardashian’s gambling case…LAPD inestigation……and Teto and LaToya’s wild ride thru life….

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  162. David permalink
    August 1, 2010 5:53 am

    @ lynande51

    Yes! They both claim that in 1993 there was a German mother who called Evan all the way from Germany to tell him her son had been molested, but refused Evan’s offer to come to the USA.

    I emailed Helena the excerpts from both books describing this “victim”, and there are MAJOR DISCREPANCIES between Ray and DD’s versions of the event, so I want to add it to the website so readers can see this story for the piece of garbage that it is.

    According to Diane Dimond, law enforcement knew that MJ spent a lot of time with German kids, yet NOBODY could even “remember” this kid’s story in 2005. So if law enforcement “forgot” about this kid in 2005, then that speaks volumes about the credibility of that German mother’s story!

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  163. lynande51 permalink
    August 1, 2010 5:27 am

    The German kid?

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  164. David permalink
    August 1, 2010 1:54 am

    @ Helena I found another “phantom victim”, and I sent you the info in an email on July 23rd called “another phantom victim of Michael Jackson”. Both Ray Chandler and Diane Dimond discussed him in their books. I wanted to bring it to your attention so that we could address it here, and you can add your own opinion/commentary to it. Thanks!

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  165. Kathy-wife-bnepi permalink
    July 6, 2010 9:43 pm

    Thank you Vindicacatemj….Don’t go to Brian n. everett pi….we will look into the virus….you will not find any MJ information on this site anyway…as Lynande51 has said…..my husband’s Mom was into psychology, he grew up with it….typical “Jews”…can some one tell me what they think about Barry K. Rothman, working for Warner Music….in the 1970ty’s and then being in on the con game played on Michael Jackson…I really want to know more about this…

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  166. Emma permalink
    July 5, 2010 3:14 pm

    “There is no smoke without fire – but the human race is capable of seeing huge clouds of smoke without a single spark ever having been struck, save in the overheating furnace of the imagination”

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  167. Suzy permalink
    June 30, 2010 12:13 pm

    Rosa, are you coming from MJ Files also? Are you one of Brian’s pals? I can’t speak for others but I don’t have time for crazy conspiracy theories, which don’t even make any sense at all. I suggest to stick to facts and not the fairy tales of Brian & Co.

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  168. Rosa permalink
    June 30, 2010 11:00 am

    What if the PI was working for one of the music catalog maqnagers, for Michael ? What if Jordan’s Mom, was just a tool that they lost control of & Evan took control of Frank Military [the PI’s boss] was one of the executive of one of the catalog managers…..did anyone see that?

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  169. lynande51 permalink
    June 30, 2010 1:01 am

    I saved the PDF file I think I had it a long time ago too.

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  170. lynande51 permalink
    June 30, 2010 12:23 am

    David are you talking about the article written by Lisa G. I got a link to Reflections of the Dance and the article. It does have some conflicting information considering that they used the information from Dianes book for a reference to refute the evidence. I used both book and did a comparison that will give you a more broad picture and a little more information. Lisa is an attorney in New York State she has been on the official Michael Jackson site for a long time and has helped answer some legal questions before. I think someof their time line is off a bit compared to Ray Chandlers timeline but the legal information about the settlement is invaluable. It explains the legal terminology very well and breaks it down for all of us legal laypersons to understand. It is a long article but I think it is a very good one. Is this the link?
    http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/theextortionofmichaeljackson.html

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  171. June 29, 2010 10:19 pm

    David, I’ve read it and have some suggestions about it – but I’ll email you only tomorrow. Now it is almost half past 2 in the morning here and I need some sleep.

    Good night to everybody (or whatever time of the day it is with you),
    Hugs,
    Helena

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  172. David permalink
    June 29, 2010 10:07 pm

    I think that we should just IGNORE Brian from now on! He claims to have all of this exculpatory info on MJ, but won’t give it up, and it appears that he’s just trolling around to different MJ sites to try to get visitors to go to his blog. Just ignore him!

    The only good thing I’ve seen on that MJJ Files site is the legal document that Jordie filed against his father after he was assaulted. It’s a PDF file, so please download and save it for your records, just in case it’s ever removed from that site. That is a valuable document to prove Evan’s true character.

    BTW, Helena if you want a good idea of what you should post, then look at the email I sent you on June 21st about the “2 so-called legal analysts”. I know it’s long, but you’ll like it if you haven’t read it already!

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  173. June 29, 2010 9:55 pm

    Suzy, wait – something is terribly wrong here…

    First of all let me WARN everyone here – if you enter Brian Everett’s site and click on the top sentence (containing some information about him) YOU WILL GET A WORM PROGRAM – my antivirus system has just detected it.

    Now I understand why Brian wanted me to enter his blog and look up some information there – the blog is INFECTED!

    On second thought I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt – he may not know his site is infected – so Brian, if you are reading it, here is the news for you…

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  174. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 9:45 pm

    Helena,

    These people are simply nuts!

    BTW, conspiracy theories seem to be very much ‘in’ nowadays: especially those involving the Freemasons and the Illuminati. Just go to YouTube and type in “Illuminati”. Among them you will find a lot of MJ related theories as well. Most pominently: the Illuminati killed MJ! And Tupac. And apparently every celebrity who died….

    You know, it’s strange how the Illuminati kill celebrities for, apparently “exposing them”, but then they allow people to post all these anti-Illuminati videos on YT. Makes sense. LOL.

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  175. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 9:34 pm

    Oops, sorry, the previous post was me, Suzy, just logged in with my account.

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  176. June 29, 2010 9:33 pm

    OMG, I’ve looked up one of the latest articles there “in memory of MJ” called “One Year After Michael Jackson’s Death – A Review” and this is what they say there among other things (by the way they mention our friend BRIAN EVERETT who honored this blog by his presence):

    Michael Jackson was deeply influenced by the Mafia and the Freemasons in his artwork. Gangster video-clips, Freemason symbolism all over the place. Was this just some quirk of his, because he liked gangster movies and because he read about the Freemasons in one of his thousands of books? Just something he found cool?

    It might be, but if we take a closer look at his connections, it appears that his interest in the Mafia and Freemasonry was more than a passing fad.

    As already written about in some of our previous articles, Michael Jackson was connected to several underground figures through some of his close friends and business partners.

    BRIAN EVERETT, a private investigator who worked on a case to discredit Michael Jackson in 1993, says this about Michael’s Mafia connection:

    “Michael Jackson’s family was in a world of organised crime, and had been, for years. Jermaine was married to Berry Gordy’s kid, this is the founder of Motown Records. This was back in 1973, you don’t need to search too deep to see this is an organised crime connection. One of Motown’s big names was, Barbra McNair, her husband was shot dead in his Las Vegas home in 1976, a mob hit victim, He was a known FBI informant. Where do you think Steve Wynn of the Golden Nugget and the Mirage Casino got the money to start the casinos? I think this is a ‘no brainer’. And the list goes on and on.”

    http://www.mjfiles.com/more/featured-articles/one-year-after-michael-jacksons-death/

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  177. June 29, 2010 9:32 pm

    These people at MJ Files seem to be the Diane Dimond types: obsessed with MJ, but not out of love, but out of some kind of twisted perversion.

    Maybe it would be worth to cover the FBI files here as well, since it’s obvious that there was NOTHING incriminating in them. In fact, even much of the media concluded what was inevitable to conclude from them: after more than 15 years of investigation the FBI could come up with nothing that could have been held against Michael in a criminal trial.
    And then comes MJ Files, a site that claims to try to “defend” him, and makes it sound like all these claims were actually true? When from the files it was clear that the FBI found nothing to support those claims. The part about the Terry George claims was, for example, just the collection of a bunch of tabloid articles! The Mexican boys story was found unfounded as well! It was just a claim by a book author in the 90s (yes, AFTER the Chandler scandal) and the author referred to alleged secret FBI files existing about it. Then the FBI took a look into their own archives based on this claim and they found, you guessed it: NOTHING! And this is what is documented there.

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  178. June 29, 2010 9:11 pm

    Now that you mention this MJ files site I remember visiting it several times and coming back in utter amazement at the way information was presented there. At a certain point I began thinking that it is actually a HATERS’ site. See what the administrator says about those “phantom” victims (who are actually the subject of this thread):

    [The New York Post article] reveals that there was a molestation incident reported as far back as 1979 when Michael was in the Jackson Five. The boy was 13 year old Terry George, a British fan who exchanged numerous telephone conversations with Michael Jackson. Details of Terry’s allegations are printed in the forum.

    Another allegation relates to Michael having once been accused of molesting two Mexican boys in the mid-1980s — but the case was supposedly covered up because “Jackson was to receive an honor at the White House from the president.” I wrote about the time Michael received this honor from President Reagan here and at the time, believed it was about publicity. Now i wonder, was it about publicity or about distraction?”

    Then the author posts the article which starts with: “The FBI’s explosive, secret dossier on Michael Jackson was made public today and includes sickening — and surprising — allegations involving the kiddie-molestation raps against the superstar… etc.”

    The comment from kassandra to that: “I feel strong sympathy with him, but if there were kids molested it needs to come to the light, for authorities were covering this many many years. Behind this have to be the institutions gaining from the idol MJ. They have huge power on media and authorities. We people need to research and publish it over and over …. to reveal the truth !”

    AND THEY CALL IT RESEARCH?

    Look at the photo of Michael they published there:
    http://www.mjfiles.com/allegations/details-michael-jacksons-fbi-files/

    Mystery of the Moonwalker may have a double meaning and what they are doing there is not vindication.

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  179. June 29, 2010 8:47 pm

    Lynande, I absolutely agree to all the changes you propose if only you guys help me do it. I am hopeless with the internet (and the chances it provides) and am very slow in answering your questions or comments (and feel very bad about it). David, I remember that I still owe you an answer!

    If everyone (or almost everyone) could write here it would be great – there’ve been so many valuable texts, links and ideas posted here but they are stored somewhere in the comments and are getting eventually lost… Turning them into separate posts for me is impossible timewise – so something should really be done about it.
    We could turn it into a forum, if you like, but again it is impossible within the framework of wordpress.com and should be done somewhere else.

    Any ideas?

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  180. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 8:39 pm

    Lynande51,

    it’s crazy, isn’t it? I once went to that site (MJ Files) and I came away disgusted. People are overly obsessed there with tabloid rumours (especially if it’s a gay rumour) and they are willing to give credit to them whoever tells them. The site itself puts up stories like that! (Like the Scott Thorston story, which is laughable.)

    It’s the perfect place for people like Brian, I guess he manages to fool a few people there with his “insider infos” – people over there seem to be gullible and love these kind of “stories”.

    But I wonder what kind of “defending” of MJ is that? What kind of “fans” are these who are so easily giving credit to tabloid stories when Michael resented them so much and warned against them so many times? It seems there are marginalized group of “fans” who have their own agendas with MJ. After all MJ was so mysterious that a lot of people can interpret themselves into him! I mean pedophiles see him as a pedophile, gay people see him as gay, Muslims see him as a Muslim and so on (none of the above is true, BTW).

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  181. lynande51 permalink
    June 29, 2010 8:00 pm

    As I and all of us on this forum I am not surprised to find that the MJ files the Mytery of Moonwalker is a hater site. It has everything on it from MJ faking his death to the infamous Ernie Rizzo and Norma Salinas ( former Chandler housekeeper). An interesting site for Brian to be associated with. I say it is time to take us world wide. We have enough evidence and I am going to contact Lisa G. from the Michael Jackson official site to ask if she would post her article here as well. She is a lawyer and breaks down the legal language in the settlement and has other legal information in it as well. Then I am going to ask you guys if it OK to turn this blog site to a website and post us to Google, Google UK , Yahoo, Netscape and MSN. It will be a lot more busy and we will have a lot more defending to do but I think we might be ready. Let me know what you think.

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  182. lynande51 permalink
    June 29, 2010 5:40 pm

    Ok I’m back with more good news for Brian. I went to look up a CHT or Certified Hypnotherapist. Most of these degrees are scams, SURPRISE! One place even certified a cat yes thats right a cat named by her owner a clinical psychologist Dr. Zoe Katze Phd. second the PSE specialist , well I will let the desription speak for itself:
    WHAT IS VSA

    Voice Stress Analysis (VSA), originally known as Psychological Stress Evaluation (PSE), is a procedure used for detection of deception (lie detection) or truth verification or to determine psychological stress profiles.

    WHAT IS FVAS

    FVAS is software that operates with Microsoft Windows XP and Vista. It detects, measures, and displays brain initiated deception through psychological stress in the human voice / brain alpha-wave analogous.
    Brian, do you have any questions?

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  183. lynande51 permalink
    June 29, 2010 5:24 pm

    Brian has removed his Michael Jackson information from his site here is what he says about himself now;
    My apprenticeship was served in Las Vegas, working for Whitney Investigations, for Frank Military….but the world of private investigations, turned out to be something I did not like, or want to do for a long time……So that is why you will see the PSE and CHT after my name….Studying human behavior is much more interesting than sitting in a car for 8 hours, waiting to get a photograph of some husband kissing his co-worker, in the parking structure of some office complex…..so I moved on to forensic hypnosis, and psychological stress evaluation techniques………In this “blog” we will look at some of the real uses of these investigative tools………[if you are looking for “MJ” information..Mj files the Mystery of the Moonwalker” is what you wanted to see]
    I am not surprised to see that he has moved on in his career. The surprising thing is he went into studying human behavior. Why do all these guys pick psychology? And forensic hypnosis?

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  184. lynande51 permalink
    June 29, 2010 5:14 pm

    I would like to talk about Michael Jackson’s Sony/ ATV music catalogue. Michael bought the ATV catalogue in 1985 for 47 million US dollars. He merged that catalogue with Sony in 1995 making it the third largest music catalogue. It contains 247 Beatles songs, and some of the songs of Elvis, Bob Dylan and others, they do not list the numbers of those songs.The one thing that Sony does not have a percentage of are Michael Jackson’s songs. All of those he retained under his MJJack productions. He never relinquished his own work . Sony does not have a percentage of it.He did not merge those with his catalogue at any time.What Michael got with the merger of the ATV catalogue with Sony was control of the copyrights and a percentage of the royalties of those songs estimated at generating 30 million US dollars in revenue a year for Michael Jackson per his 50 percent.Of course a music catalogue grows all the time whenever a new artist is signed with the company therfore generating new and more revenue. What Michael also got was artistic control over the copyrights. That meant in simple terms that no one could remake, say, Lady Madonna, without Michael Jackson saying ok and then theywould have to pay for the rights to remake the song. I think the past is pretty indicative of the fact that Michael was probably just as interested in preserving the original artists rights to their songs, thank goodness. That is what prevents us from having to listen to Adam Lambert scream out Michelle or other such musical atrocities. The catalogue was a revenue generating investment for Michael Jackson as well as an opportunity to protect the art of music.Michael Jacksons song he owned free and clear he got all the money from his own songs. It is really hard for me to understand why Sony music executives would want to destroy Michael other than Tommy Mottola who didn’t like to ask Michael’s permission to re record a song. He was an ass and is a moot point because he was fired from Sony in 2005 I think? As for his wanting to destroy Michael Jackson before a merger was even discussed in 1993 baffles me. Why? They didn’t have any reason too yet unless Brian is working on the premise of racism motivating the conspiracy because no one wanted a rich black man.

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  185. June 29, 2010 9:55 am

    Your humility is bringing me to tears, Brian, dear… Sorry I was so harsh on you… It is such a treat to see a truly humble person…

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  186. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 9:53 am

    Given the fact that June didn’t even believe MJ was a pedophile until the police talked her into thinking that (telling her things like “MJ perfectly fits the pedophile profile” – which is a lie according to psychiatrists) and until Evan threatened her to take away the custody of Jordan from her, it’s hard to believe she ever claimed to see anything to anybody. Even in 2005 under oath she said she never saw anything.

    But I don’t know why we are even discussing this when it’s so obvious Brian is a liar – and not even a clever one.

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  187. Brian N. Everett permalink
    June 29, 2010 9:46 am

    Thank you for the invitation..Vindicatemj…but if I was to say I did not hear June say that, I would be a lier…but not to worry!…I just now took down the true MJ information, from my blog…so if you are intersted in PSE tech. or the uses of CHT in ciminal cases, take a look….thank you for your time…now you can talk about Michael Jackson, in a safe place…[and the music executives are safe]

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  188. June 29, 2010 9:12 am

    Brian, you do not necessarily have to back off – this blog is intended for people like you too. Stay if you want to. But what you need to understand though is that YOU CANNOT SRPEAD LIES here.

    What you are saying about June seeing them ‘naked’ is AN OUTRAGEOUS LIE because if that had been the case nothing could have stopped June from saying about it at the 2005 trial. Moreover it was her OBLIGATION to say it for two reasons – she was speaking under oath and if someone is a criminal he should be stopped by all means, no matter who he is. But she didn’t say a word of it….

    Why are we supposed to believe ANYTHING you are telling us here? Because YOU JUST SAY so? And what if I say that I saw Diane Dimond naked in your bed and the two of you are working together?

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  189. Brian N. Everett permalink
    June 29, 2010 8:11 am

    OK Suzy…you have been a very important person, for me….I think you are a good model, of most of the MJ fans….I do not want attention….I will “back off”…and go about my retired life…if you don’t think I’m telling the truth just take a look at my blog, a day or two from now….thank you for your help in understanding the new American….

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  190. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 7:21 am

    Brian,

    Honestly? Yes, I think you are an attention seeker. Or you have mental problems.

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  191. David permalink
    June 29, 2010 7:00 am

    @ Brian:

    Whatever it is you have to say that will clear MJ and expose those executives,then please say it already! You’re being very vague with your assertions, and we want specifics! The people who visit this site reguarly have studied the 1993 case, and know it backwards and forwards.

    Please, just come out and say it because we don’t know what’s the point of you leading us on like this!

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  192. Beatriz permalink
    June 29, 2010 6:55 am

    What is this Brian doing here? I just came to the blog after a while looking for satisfying my soul and my mind and I find this crap here.

    BRIAN DO NOT INSIST, GO AWAY! IF YOU REALLY WANT JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON DO IT IN ANOTHER PLACE.
    WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, OK?

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  193. Brian N. Everett permalink
    June 29, 2010 6:38 am

    Hi Suzy…Do you think I’m trying to get some money?, or attention?…I don’t want anything, what is this hate all about, I can’t understand it…it is not important, to fight against some one like me…just look at what I have said on my blog….you can see it is not about me at all…I have been in touch with the Dick Gregory, and Aphrodite Jones….and I have “turned down” several tabloid offers…..Forget me…don’t you want to see the executives that ruined Michael Jackson’s life, get exposed?….

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  194. Suzy permalink
    June 29, 2010 6:09 am

    So you worked at the set of some D-rate movies (curiously many about sex, homosexuality) as transportation coordinator or a driver? Wow, Brian, really impressive pedigree. Especially as a “private investigator”. Surely makes you a lot more credible now. (I hope you sense the irony.)

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  195. Brian N. Everett permalink
    June 29, 2010 5:13 am

    Can’t anyone see I want some justice for Michael Jackson?….24 years in the film industry, and I never said anything, about anybody…go to IMDB, and see some of my work history…June Schwartz…Maybe she was telling us a load of crap?…but that she what she said..sorry for the truth…but it is just what she said…

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  196. June 28, 2010 1:01 pm

    Brian, I am always happy to see a colleague of mine. To tell you the big secret I am James Bond who worked for the CIA, FBI, KGB, MI6, Massad, Yakuza, Freemasons plus the British military taken together – and all this time under a cover of an ordinary Russian woman. When I am fully retired I’ll send you my memoirs so that you can make a blockbuster out of them, okay?
    I was fully prepared for flowers like you to emerge out of nowhere exactly after Michael Jackson’s death. Since the prosecution case was fully laid out and totally blasted by the 2005 trial (which listened to all those who were willing to testify in the Chandlers’ case) there is a HUGE need for new witnesses to urgently appear to support Michael Jackson’s haters.
    So here you are – brand new and shining like a new dollar coin. Congratulations on your debut.

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  197. Lynette permalink
    June 27, 2010 10:54 pm

    Brian go away. You have been trying to put this crap out there long enough. You first came out right after Michaeldied. I didn’t believe you then and don’t now. I won’t even bother telling you why JUST GO AWAY!

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  198. Suzy permalink
    June 27, 2010 8:24 pm

    In my opinion Brian’s claims are so ridiculous that it’s an insult to MJ to even discuss them!

    He claims that June found MJ naked with her son in bed. That makes me think Brian is not even familiar with the case because June never said she found them naked in bed. In fact, in 2005 under oath she testified that she never witnessed molestation, or anything that was suspicious to her, for that matter! (And BTW, not even Evan claimed to have seen them naked in bed together.)

    And the claim that MJ was gay and had sex with teenage male hustlers in Las Vegas in 1993. Wow, that’s some crazy, ridiculous idea! Had it been the case I’m sure it would have been exposed on court, either in the 1993 case or in 2005. Especially, if like Brian claims, he was an investigator who worked AGAINST Jackson: so why didn’t he or his boss or the office that employed him go to the prosecution with this information? Or why didn’t anybody else find out about it?

    And on top of this, he doesn’t even make any sense at all! He claims June found MJ and Jordan naked in bed. He claims he found that in 1993 Michael had sex with teenage male prostitutes in Las Vegas. And he adds that there’s nothing wrong with that! And at the end he claims MJ was innocent of the charges brought against him and it was a conspiracy for the ATV calaogue? How does it all make any sense?

    Maybe Brian was one of those who tried to sell a story to tabloids, but even they laughed him off, so now he is spreading his filthy lies on the Internet? Hoping for some tabloid discovering his “story” and paying cash for it? Or maybe he is one of those “man-boy love” advocates? It certainly seems so by the way how he says it would be nothing wrong from MJ to be found naked in bed with Jordan, or to like the company of teenage male hustlers!

    No wonder NOBODY believes him – like he even admitted on his blog. You know, there are clever liars, who construct their lies so that at least that makes one wonder for a couple of minutes. But Brian is not even clever, he left so many holes in his story and he is totally inconsistent.

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  199. Truth permalink
    June 27, 2010 7:26 pm

    Brian,

    “The fans, can not accept the fact that Mr. Jackson was sexually attracted to teenage boys, and that was the tool used by the conspirators, to play the classic “Badger Game” on Mr. Jackson……behind this effort, was the big music companies, and some one in the Jackson family……. No one wants to know the facts, and all they can say is, I don’t believe you, even with enough evidence, to convict us of extortion…….”

    I’m sure Diane Dimond would love this information, and even she hasn’t reported on this – that speaks for itself. If June saw anything of that nature, she would have called the police straight away, remember she did’t even believe Evan to begin with. In any case, she would have testified to this in the 2005 trial.

    How can you say Michael molested Jordan but that he was still a victim of extortion.

    And another thing, people, including the fans, just want to know the TRUTH. However, you cannot just make a statement and expect us people to believe it, they need proof.

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  200. Truth permalink
    June 27, 2010 7:17 pm

    Brian,

    “first June Schwartz found Michael in bed naked with her son, in the day time…that’s right…..and the agency I worked for caught Michael picking up young hustler’s, in the Las Vegas “fruit loop”,,,[and He had a right to do that]… but I still feel Michael Jackson was the victim of a crime, in 1993…..and murdered, in 2009……BNE”

    So what are you saying? That Michael did molest Jordan but he was the victim of a crime?

    You make no sense at all!

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  201. Suzy permalink
    June 27, 2010 11:47 am

    Here is Brian’s website, so that everybody can look for themselves: http://brianeverettpi.blog.com/

    Some claims don’t even make any sense and easily dismissed. Someone would like some attention on the WWW, me feels.

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  202. Suzy permalink
    June 27, 2010 11:40 am

    Brian,

    Are you the same guy who is posting on MJJ Files? I’m sorry to say this, but I will say it because I’m a straightforward person (even at the cost of sounding rude): There are TOO many holes in your stories and in my opinion you are just a poser who pretends to know more than he does.

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  203. Brian N. Everett permalink
    June 27, 2010 9:28 am

    I was one of the private investigators, that worked against Michael Jackson, in 1993….I said nothing about it [other than family & friend’s] until I retired, this year….I worked in the film industry, and could not be saying things, about entertainers, and still get my jobs, in Las Vegas…if you want to know more, go to my site..brian n. everett pi…I have nothing for sale, and do not claim to know the whole story, but I will tell, most of what I was involved in…

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  204. David permalink
    June 24, 2010 8:31 pm

    Hey, I found an article from the trial that described Jason Francia’s “devastating” testimony against MJ. What a joke!

    This article is 100% TYPICAL of the one-sided media coverage that dogged the trial. It gave a brief overview of his history with MJ as the son of a maid that worked for Neverland, who was molested several times during tickling games.

    But of course, it didn’t mention anything about how Blanca was fired for stealing, sold her story to the tabloids, & lied during her deposition. Nor did it give examples of Jason’s “devastating” testimony (except of course to repeat the lurid details of those awful “molestations”), or of how many times he said “I don’t know” and “I don’t remember’ during his testimony.

    Like I said, absolutely typical!

    http://www.santamariatimes.com/news/traffic/article_d13f057b-a2f3-546d-be9d-86adac62c64b.html

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  205. Suzy permalink
    June 23, 2010 4:20 am

    @ David

    It was in Jason Francia’s court testimony that he didn’t know about his mom got a settlement until a couple of days before his testimony. Hard to believe IMO, since it was all over in the media….

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  206. Lynette permalink
    June 22, 2010 11:00 pm

    yep 2 days before he testified didn’t mom share with him?

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  207. David permalink
    June 22, 2010 10:26 pm

    Hey, I think we should do a post strictly on Jason Francia. I know he’s Blanca Francia’s son, and I think everyone needs to know the exact order of events as far as his original story in 1993, when and how he changed it, the settlement his mother blackmailed from MJ, and his testimony at his trial.

    I have a lot of questions about his story; for example, I read somewhere that he didn’t know that his mom got the settlement until shortly before the trial started!

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  208. Lynette permalink
    June 22, 2010 5:30 pm

    I know the silliness of it all!. I think the best one I read on Kapon is that Michael Jackson stole Billie Jean from him which he wrote when he was 2. LOL.

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  209. June 22, 2010 12:12 pm

    Suzy, yes when reading the memo more attentively I realized there were no actual interviews taking place in November 2003. The DCFS investigators evidently went over their documents and records only.

    At first I thought that it changed something, but on second thought – nothing much. The only correction is that by then the Arvizos most probably had changed their evidence, that’s all. BUT:

    1) there were still no official charges made at the time of the arrest (as Tom Sneddon said it himself and Larry King confirmed a week after that), so how the arrest could take place, I don’t know.

    2) we have an official confirmation now from the DCFS office what exactly the Arvizos were saying back in February. We’ve been under that impression that they said there was no abuse to the school Official and in that rebuttal Video only – but now the Welfare workers come in too. By the way the DCFS investigated the case together with the police and for as long as 2 weeks .

    I don’t know how in these circumstances the case could have gone to that trial AT ALL.

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  210. Suzy permalink
    June 22, 2010 11:52 am

    Helena, regarding that DCFS memo, although the date on it is 26th November 2003, but it states the investigation took place in February 2003.

    As for the “evidence” taken from Neverland. It’s obvious from the trial that they didn’t find anything incriminating (like child porn, for example), otherwise Michael would have been charged with that. To me actually the stuff they found in Neverland is a good evidence in FAVOUR of Michael. I don’t know until this day what the prosecution were thinking when they presented them on trial. Probably they were trying to portray him as sex crazed, problem is based on that evidence he looked like a guy crazy for adult women, not little boys…..

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  211. Suzy permalink
    June 22, 2010 11:35 am

    I agree Helena. And let’s not forget Terry George only came up with the molestation allegation after the Chandler case went public – although it happened, according to him, some 15 years earlier. Of course, it had nothing to do with the fact that such stories paid well in the tabloids at the time (*sarcasm*).
    These “other victims” were so “credible” that even Sneddon rejected them – and that should speak volumes, since his standards of credibility weren’t too high (just see Arvizo or Francia).

    BTW, I was thinking about Francia also and how tickling became “molestation” that he needed therapy to get over. Funny, I used to be tickled a lot by my granddad when I was a child, I loved it and I never needed therapy. But then I was never pressured by anybody into thinking it was something else than it was….. (For the record: My granddad is a decent, moral man.)

    I can imagine that Jason indeed needed therapy but that wasn’t because of Michael tickling him, I’m sure. I mean he claimed the “molestation” happened in 1990. Yet his mother only came out with it after the Chandler case broke (only to sell the “story” to tabloids). But Jason himself first denied it. So he was so traumatized by Michael tickling him that he needed to go to therapy, yet when the police first questioned him, he didn’t remember being molested. Makes perfect sense – NOT!

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  212. June 22, 2010 11:14 am

    Larry King also had the same question (now the link is provided to that interview):

    LARRY: Chris, if there are no charges, what did he surrender to?

    CHRIS PIXLEY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, there was arrest warrant issued for Michael Jackson’s arrest.

    KING: Saying what?

    PIXLEY: Saying he violated, again, the section of the penal code, saying that he had, in fact, committed lewd and lascivious acts. So, he has been arrested, but the charging decision hasn’t been made yet. Those are two distinct events, typically they occur much closer in time than they occurring here. And you know, Nancy has her inside about it. I think the delay suggests if nothing else that they don’t have a smoking gun right now. They have taken truckloads of evidence out of Michael Jackson’s home, but if they had a smoking gun or something more than the child’s statement, we probably would be getting a decision earlier. I think Nancy may be absolutely correct, though, it has to do with the fact they have reached out the community say we want more.

    KING: Jane, what do you think?

    JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, “CELEBRITY JUSTICE”: Well, I think the boy provided a road map to investigators. They followed that map to the Neverland and two other location they raided and they seize a lot of evidence. And they are going to have to pour over it all. And they are going to have to try to match the evidence they found with the boy’s story. An that’s a lot more complicated than appears on it’s face.”

    Let me remind those who really believe that there was ‘lots of evidence’ seized from Neverland – if you remember the jurors did indeed say that their closet was crammed with it but they COULDN’T FIND ANYTHING that would incriminate Michael. So much for the VALUE of it.

    This Larry King interview is very interesting from many points of view – Ray Chandler goes on telling lies here (more about it later) and the interview starts with an outrageous story of Michael and his defense attorney discussing the case on a private plane AND THEIR CONVERSATION BEING VIDEO RECORDED by hidden cameras installed by I don’t know who. Even Pellicano who went to prison for illegal taping did not encroach on the sanctity of a lawyer-client relationship – and over here it is done on a really grand scale!

    WHATEVER PART of this case you look into the injustice and absurdity of the whole thing is appalling.

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  213. June 22, 2010 10:49 am

    Yes, Suzy, I think this Terry George is not only obsessed with Michael – he is basking in his limelight and using Michael’s image for his own financial gain. “Gone too soon?” Is this the man who is capable of shedding a tear in memory of Michael? Just see how terribly satisfied with himself he is! Is it how ‘molestation’ victims look like by the way? And what abuse are we talking about here AT ALL?

    Was it Michael who set up a phone sex company or WHO?

    Terry was keen on it from the very start and I have no doubt that it was HIM who first tried it on Michael as someone he was clearly mad about. And what do madmen do after their ‘love passes’ go unanswered by the other side? Many start telling dirty stories about the subject of their passion and try to publicly humiliate them in their fury. There are lots and lots of history and literature examples of people behaving that way when they are rejected… And there will be absolutely NO stopping them if this slander can bring about a fortune to start a business, for ex. a phone sex company with…

    Suzy, I am very grateful to you for this contribution to our ‘victims’ list. Please notify me if you hear about any other applicants for this status. It is not Michael’s haters who need the names – it is Michael’s supporters who need them in order to uncover all this human dirt.

    David, and many thanks to you too! I will be looking forward to your summary of the Arvizos – thank you for understanding my complete repulsion for this case.

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  214. Suzy permalink
    June 22, 2010 10:19 am

    I don’t understand how could they issue a house search warrant and an arrest warrant against MJ when the Arvizos still claimed nothing happened? How is that even possible?

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  215. Suzy permalink
    June 22, 2010 8:40 am

    Helena,

    thanks for the additional research. I went to Terry George’s website and under the menu “Business” I found this:

    “Terry and his Partner Michael Rothwell have built up a diverse portfolio of successful businesses. He is the founder of social enterprise GoneTooSoon.org the UK’s largest online memorial website.

    His empire includes bars and clubs in Leeds, the Mr Gay UK annual male beauty contest, APN a telecoms company, Bent Magazine and Bent Shop a mail order business and a property portfolio of residential and commercial properties”

    How sick is it from him to call his “social enterprise” “Gone too Soon”, after everything he claimed about Michael?

    He claims he has been molested by Michael, but in reality he seems obsessed with him.

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