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PURITY and INNOCENCE AS A WAY OF LIFE. A natural experiment

October 14, 2010
 

I always said if I ever had kids I won’t touch a hair on their heads. Because people always say the abused abuse and it is not true. It is not true. I am totally the opposite. The worst I do is I make them stand in the corner for a little bit and that’s it and that’s my time out for them.

This piece is about purity and innocence as a way of life and how Michael Jackson managed to prove to us that innocence is the best path any human being can ever take.

Why did Michael have a paper with the words “Children are innocent” pinned to a wall in his room? Why was this message so important to him that he wanted to see it until his dying day?  The reason for it was probably because he was terribly tired of what the world is like today and needed a constant reminder of another force in life which could help keep him going.

When you feel that the world is closing down on you and is getting increasingly difficult for you to live in, it is only small children and very old people who can still give you some strength to go on with it.

When old people return to childhood, I have seen them, they become very playful and childlike. I relate very well to old people because they have those qualities of a child. Whenever I go to a hospital I always find a way to sneak into another room to talk to the old people. I just did it two days ago because I was in the hospital and they were so sweet and they just welcome you like a child does. They say, “Come in”, and we talk. They are simple and sweet. Old people and children are very much alike. They are carefree and play-free and simple and sweet. It is just a spiritual feeling. I don’t visit the old people’s homes as much as I have the orphanages. A lot of them get Alzheimer’s and they don’t recognize. But I have a great relationship with older people.

Only those who have just entered life and haven’t been touched by its corruption and those who are on the verge of leaving it and are long past its temptations are the ones who can side with you and make your company if you are a lonely heart craving for purity in a world like ours.

You can’t imagine how lonely a person is if he happens to retain some of his childlike innocence in his grown-up years. It is nothing less than being a Martian on Earth who is surrounded by a boisterous crowd of its truly earthly children. You can always try to pretend you are earthly too and a good laugh here and there or some joint work will let you pass for being like them for a time being, but the deep sadness you are feeling for what you see around will inevitably give you away.

These loners are sad because what is the biggest treasure for them is completely worthless to the world. They feel a natural bond with the nature, cherish self-perfection and highly value freshness of relations with the other sex – however the world is deeply suspicious of this behavior and considers it some kind of a perversion or pretence or asexuality or a publicity trick or whatever, because it – the world –  abandoned its own freshness long ago, doesn’t remember what it is, and the word innocence became obsolete with it both as a word and as a phenomenon. Imagine how far the loners are from this world and you will know how deep a gap between the two is and how quickly it is growing.

When I think about it.. I would never say it on TV – but if I went on stage thinking about what goes through women’s heads, I would never go out on stage. If I was suddenly to start thinking about what they were thinking about … sex, or what I look like naked, then, oh God, that would be so embarrassing I could never go out.

The world is wondering why loners want to set strict limits for themselves and refuse the so many pleasures it can offer them, but what the world doesn’t know is that these weirdos most probably did try or see the ‘other’ thing too –  to only feel later that they are dirty all over and it hurts like hell when they betray their own selves and values they believed in. Now they will not trade their regained freshness for any sophistication in the world because it is only after they got it back is when they started living again.

They are sad because they are lonely as if in a desert and try to live a life of their own in quiet seclusion, however the world doesn’t like it as it senses disagreement with what it is doing. The world is busy seeking more pleasures in life and intensifying them too as what satisfied it yesterday is not enough today and should be taken a further step tomorrow.

The pleasure seeking process is a very pleasant one and is spreading among people like a pandemic. When the world offers its latest breakthrough in the field of deeper satisfaction of human desires there are always some who feebly remonstrate that they are okay the way it is, however their resistance is quickly smashed by the younger ones who try ‘the new things’ and say it is truly fantastic.

“Why did you deprive us of this fun? Why don’t we have a right? It is our life and no one can tell us how to live and what to choose!” is their main argument which is really hard to refute. It is indeed their right to choose and the fact that they are really choosing it is what really makes it so sad.

If you think that I am talking about one issue only you are wrong – the breakthroughs are all around us and include lots of things like, for example, hunger for being constantly entertained instead of thinking or educating oneself, “I do what I like” principle, the abolition of human conscience and its replacement by cynicism or being street smart, the money-decides-it-all concept, a much greater variety of sex opportunities and an exciting race for who starts sex earlier and in which way – these are only a few items on the menu list. Some call it progress or a human rights movement while the loners think differently – they consider it a surrender to the darker side of human nature as a whole.

You need love. You need love. That’s the most important thing. That’s why I feel so bad for those kids who sit in those orphanages and hospitals and they’re all alone and they tie them to the beds – they tie them because they don’t have enough staff. I go, “Are you crazy?” And I go to each bed just freeing them, releasing them. I say, “This isn’t a way to do children. You don’t tie them down”.

Those of them who take the process too close to heart try measures like Sunday visits to other people’s homes with disguise on their faces and religious books in their hands.

They share millions of dollars with the ill and needy to rekindle in them at least some hope in human nature and belief in the divine justice which is indeed delivered through people like them.

They make attempts to explain to others that ‘they should be childlike’ not knowing how else to describe it that the humankind needs to return to purity as a means of its survival or otherwise things will become simply irreversible.

They refuse to engage in usual sex orgies out of their great respect for love, romance and common interests with their partner and are looking for a perfect match only to make love until dawn and turn sex with them into something unique – as perfection is a thing they are almost praying to.

Their find the air they are breathing too suffocating and try to associate with those with whom they can breathe more freely last –  small innocent children and very old people who have returned to that stage.

Climbing trees with Bubbles

They set up places like very big ranches with amusement parks there and lots of other fun things for the host and his visitors in order to show to the people the value of simple pleasures in life – like feeding animals, or riding them, or speedy driving golf-carts or climbing trees or having water fights or dancing together or reading books. They know that simple things like that are capable of dragging children away from the other attractions offered by the world.

They justifiably think that the happier is the childhood, the more balanced is the character and the healthier is the spirit – which may be the beginning of a hope that children will be better than their parents, and tomorrow will be better than today.

They firmly believe that almost everything in life can be corrected with a little help from the above if only a human being really wants it, so they are ready to give it try it even with the worst characters in human history ever, – not to mention those who are around this human being whom he invariably gives the benefit of the doubt and who as invariably fall short of his expectations.

These loners know that all humans have a divine spark in them and implore people not to allow it to be stamped out as otherwise they become helpless in the face of vileness, cynicism and corruption.

And they feel furious when they see that those who have crossed the line are taking the innocent babies there too instead of trying to cross the line back and return to where they were before….

Look at the infinite sadness in those eyes

If Michael Jackson’s system of thought was that weird and crazy as we are told it is, will anyone explain to me please how he managed to single-handedly bring up three marvelous children who, when they were finally presented to the world, turned out to be pure and innocent, well-tempered and dignified, modest and disciplined, free-spirited and courageous all at once despite Michael’s weird pedagogical methods?

Can’t it be exactly the opposite case and they turned out to be like that because he shielded them from us and our corruption and it was his approach to life and people which helped him to bring them up in such a fantastic way? (OMG, let us keep our fingers crossed for his children now that they are facing our reality with all its beauties).

Can Michael’s life be a natural experiment God has staged on all of us to show that it is Michael Jackson’s way of life and thinking which is the best we can offer to our children? I mean the purity of thought and innocence he always sought for and spoke about, and a great deal of love which were the main things to bring about so excellent a result?

SB: Is it possible if someone is not a biological parent to love a child as much as you love Prince and Paris? MJ: Absolutely. SB: I have always noticed one the most impressive things about you is when I say something like, “Prince and Paris are beautiful”, you always say, “No. All children are beautiful”. You won’t let me get away with just praising Prince and Paris. MJ: They are to me. I see beauty in all children… they are all beautiful to me. It is so beautiful and I love them all – equally. I used to have arguments about it with people who didn’t agree with me. They say you should love your own more

Doesn’t the experiment show that it is the arrogant us who have completely failed in our upbringing methods and have a whole pack of problems on our hands who are the real losers in this competition?

I wish Michael had never been interrupted and had been allowed to associate with the children he invited to his home without any interference from the outside. This way he could have been given a chance to bring up a whole army of great youngsters who could have made a big difference to his nation now and who could have turned out to be as good as his own children – especially since we know it for a fact that he treated all children as his own.

He could have done it if only those beasts had not interfered with him…

If anyone is interested about who taught Michael strange views that “all children are ours” here is a piece from Michael’s tapes with Shmuley Boteach (which are also quoted above) where Michael speaks about his tutor, Rose Fine, a Jewish woman who accompanied them on tours from the time when Michael was a little boy until he reached the age of eighteen. She was their teacher who was always at his side as he was the youngest and of whom Michael had very tender memories. It seems that it is exactly Rose Fine’s behavior which was later echoed in the way Michael treated his and everyone else’s children:

… Rose Fine is a Jewish woman who was my beloved childhood tutor and who traveled with me and my brothers when we were all in the Jackson Five.

MJ: After the show I would run into her room. We’d read and have warm milk and I needed that so badly. She would always say to me, “The door’s open”, and she would leave her door open.

SB: You think she saw you as her son?

MJ: She called me her son.

[ ] SB: Did she show you unconditional love?

MJ: Yes.

SB: So you think unconditional love can be shown even by two people who are not related by blood?

MJ: Oh my God, yes, of course. I think I learned it through her and I have seen it and I have experienced it. It doesn’t matter with blood or race or creed or color. Love is love and it breaks all boundaries and you just see it right away. I see it in the children’s eyes. When I see children, I see helpless little puppies. They are so sweet. How could anybody hurt them?

[ ] SB: Rose Fine, although she wasn’t your biological mother, was able to show you a lot of motherly affection?

MJ: And boy did I need it. I was never with my mother when I was little, very seldom, and I had a wonderful mother. I see her as an angel, and I was always gone, always on tour, doing back-to-back concerts, all over America, overseas, clubs, just always gone. She [Rose Fine] was with us all the way from the very first professional tour of the Jackson 5 until I was eighteen.

SB: And she would teach you during the day?

MJ: Aha.

SB: Regular subjects? Mathematics? English? She taught all the five of you together?

MJ: Yes, together, three hours. She taught Janet, all of them.

(Rose never told Michael her age. He thought that she was over ninety when she died).

MJ: It hurt when I came to the door to see her and I went, “Mrs. Fine, it’s Michael”, and she would go, “You are not Michael”… That hurts so much. Growing old is not always pretty. It’s sad.

Rose died this year, Janet and myself, we paid for her nurse and her hospital care, or if her television broke down or the electricity, or there was anything wrong with the house, we would cover the bills. Now her husband is sick, so I am taking care of him, and because we felt she is our mother and you take care of your mother…

SB: You really felt like that?

MJ: Absolutely. She was more than a tutor and I was so angry at myself that when she died I was far, far away. I couldn’t get there.


UPDATED October 16, 2010

Irma has sent us the lyrics of Michael Jackson’s song SUPERFLY SISTER (from the Blood on the dance album), which is actually the gist of the above post, screaming of Michael’s thirst  for Purity and Innocence in human relations.

The song is so powerful that it practically bangs you on the head with its lyrics and has become to me an effective proof of two main facts:

1) Michael was surely NOT a novice in matters of sex as he speaks about it as someone who really knows (and this is something which believers in his asexuality should remember).

2) It is Michael’s Angry and Passionate Manifesto Against Stripping Love Of  Its Beauty and Turning It Into Vulgar Technical Sex.

Why did I write that long and tedious text above? I should have posted the video and lyrics in the first place and that would have been enough of it! I really should do my homework better…….


For those who don’t know whom Michael is referring to in the song here is a marvelous interpretation of what it’s all about from Raven Woods in her Allforloveblog:

“… Michael nevertheless had his ways of letting his feelings be known. “Susperfly Sister,” for instance, was a song in which Michael finally got off his chest some of his own feelings about his family and the smack they were talking. Take, for example, the following lines excerpted from Michael’s song Superfly Sister:

“Sister’s married to the hood/thinking that she’s got it good” (an obvious stab at Latoya)…

”Mother’s preaching Abraham/brothers, they don’t give a damn…” (a jab at Katherine’s Jehovah’s Witness teachings and his brothers’ blatant disregard of it, especially in regards to sexual matters).

http://allforloveblog.com/?p=4165

45 Comments leave one →
  1. Olga permalink
    October 19, 2010 9:05 pm

    sorry! I meant David

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  2. Olga permalink
    October 19, 2010 9:05 pm

    Davis this was also mentioned in a Los Angeles Times article dated August 28 1993

    “Film industry sources have said that the boy’s father sought a $20-million movie production and financing deal with Jackson. Although the boy’s father has not commented publicly about that charge or any other aspect of the case, he has told friends that the extortion allegation is untrue.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-28/news/mn-28760_1_michael-jackson

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  3. October 19, 2010 8:05 pm

    David, let us make an online post out of the quotes. I’ve also found LMP speaking about it with Playboy in 2003:

    PLAYBOY: Did you and he ever have children join you in your bed?

    PRESLEY: Never. Never, never, never, never. I never saw him sleep in bed with a child, ever.

    PLAYBOY: Did you ever see him with photos of nude children?

    PRESLEY: Never. Never.

    PLAYBOY: Do you have any reason to think he’s a child molester?

    PRESLEY: If I’d had any reason to suspect that, I would have had nothing to do with the guy. I had no reason to, other than the allegations themselves. The only two people who know are Michael and that kid in the room. I’ve never seen him behave inappropriately. He was great with my kids. He does have a connection with kids, babies. He’s a kid, and other kids sense that in him.

    http://www.lisamarieonline.net/lisa/interviews/Playboy.php

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  4. lcpledwards permalink
    October 19, 2010 7:35 pm

    Helena:

    Here is a quote from acclaimed painter David Nordahl, who was working with MJ for his film production company at the time the 1993 accusations came about, and was Michael’s personal portrait artist as well as a close friend for over 20 years (this quote below is from a personal interview that Debbie Kunesh conducted with Mr. Nordahl and it will appear in an upcoming interview on the Reflections on the Dance website):

    “I was working on sketches for his film production company, called “Lost Boys Productions”….Sony had given him (Michael) $40 million to start this production company and that little boy’s dad (Evan Chandler), who considered himself to be show business material, because he had written part of a script….after that he considered himself a Hollywood screenwriter, and being friends with Michael and his son being friends with Michael, this guy had assumed that Michael was going to make him a partner in this film production company and that’s where the $20 million figure came from. He wanted ½ of that Sony money. It was proven. It was an extortion. Michael listened to his business advisors and they all told him to keep his mouth shut and to go on to Korea, go on with your tour, you’re in the middle of a tour. We’ll take care of it….”

    Wow! I never knew that MJ had a $40 million dollar deal with Sony for a film company! MJ must have told Evan, and that’s why he wanted $20 million! When MJ refused, this is why he stopped talking with Evan.

    It’s amazing how Nordahl was able to defend MJ in a way that nobody has ever done so before (by stating how MJ was told by his advisors that they’ll “take care of it” while he’s away on tour). Do you think that Nordahl would EVER do an interview with Victor Gutierrez? LOL!

    Here is another interview with Nordahl and Raven Woods from the Fanvention in August:
    http://allforloveblog.com/?p=3826

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  5. Skeptikos permalink
    October 19, 2010 4:03 am

    Not so off topic as it may seem at first – Innocence as a way of life – I wonder if MJ ran away from Bahrain/Dubai and never looked back, because of this ?!
    “The Dark Side of Dubai”… or… “The Only Side of Dubai” might be a better name.
    I mean, its entire economy is based on debt-financed construction projects that nobody needs as well as SLAVERY. After reading this piece, all I could think is IF a society could be said to have a soul, would the soul of Dubai not be rotten to the core?
    It seems like Dubai already has a large element of things that are illegal in the rest of the Saudi Arabian peninsula: more alcohol, more gambling, more sex trade (more gays and also the story about how most boys in Saudi Arabia partake in gay sex because all the women are locked away), and sad as it is, more 3rd-worlders.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

    Btw, JEFF TURNER on AWARENESS child slavery and HUMAN TRAFFICKING
    http://stopchildslavery.com/

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  6. Skeptikos permalink
    October 19, 2010 3:41 am

    Ooops … «(…) importance of using critical thinking!»

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  7. Skeptikos permalink
    October 19, 2010 2:26 am

    vindicatemj, thank you so much for the videos (didn’t know YouTube had them). I’ll certainly watch them. 🙂 All opportunities are welcomed to raise awareness, or extend knowledge, for the importance of using creative thinking.

    Btw, we all know by now that publicly «the falsehoods are ingrained as accepted truth.», but we must not forget «How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition»
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/17/wikileaks

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  8. Irma permalink
    October 18, 2010 7:27 pm

    @Jacqueline Thank You My Dear!
    You said it Loud And Clear!!!- Michael is not just pair of Gold Pants.

    Even though I Adore And LOVE Michael And His Gold Pants and think He is totally beautiful and sexy wearing them,I See him much much much more beyond then just this pair Gold Pants like they do.
    And like it hurts you and it hurts me too.
    They don’t understand they hurt Michael’s name with that.
    And of course you’re not saying MJ is asexual,you are not even close to that.
    Non of us even writing that.
    It’s how people twist words and make them to the most dirty,dark,cruel thing.
    And unfortunately,that’s the nowday beliefs.
    Just like I Said,Today If you don’t screw,excuse me for using the word,every woman on the dark corner,or have nude women photos on you cell phone,that means you’re asexual,gay or alien for Jupiter

    Seeing Fans,and generally people like gives me a lot of hope.I Bless Michael,You,@vindicatemj and this Magical-Fantastic Article. I have been looking for these words for really long time.I Know Fans,who share the same opinions as I do,but I wanted it to be like that.

    This truly can be a better place for you and me and the entire human race.

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  9. Jacqueline permalink
    October 18, 2010 6:57 pm

    @Irma,
    I totaly agree with you! Completely!
    I’ve read what these fans have to say about Michael and I was disgusted too.
    In fact, I was really sad, because they talk about Michael as if he was the most promiscuous man of this earth! As if he slept with every woman who crossed his path and Jermaine, compared to him, was an angel…

    But, then, I was reading this post Helena wrote, and some things in another blog and I’m convinced that Michael did NOT behave this way.
    I think we must know Michael from himself, not from sites and forums where women wrote all their fantasies about him and what they WANTED him to be.

    These fans consider Michael a sex object, “Mr. Michael Gold Pants Jackson”. Only. Though I think he was the cutest thing of this world, gorgeous, sexy and handsome, I think he deserves respect as a human being, not as a pair of gold pants.

    And these are the same fans who believe Michael is alive, faked his death and is hidden somewhere with some woman, waiting to come back some day…

    I’m sorry for writing this, but I get sad when people try to make Michael appear a crazy womanizer, when this was not how HE portrayed himself. This makes me really sad…

    Before I forget, I’m not saying he was asexual or something, but I don’t think that to say he was a normal man means to say that he was promiscuous.

    Sorry… And, please, don’t be mad at me for saying this… It’s just what I think.

    @Suzy

    I also agree with you that some people love to judge others, as if they were God.
    I am a Catholic and I remember, when Michael died, Vatican’s newspaper printed an article about Michael. Nice words, they were saying good things about him. And I was happy because we were all praying for him, for his soul… Then, I read that some people got mad about that, as if it was wrong to remember him… I got really mad and sad that some people don’t understand that Michael was a child of God too, as we all are.
    A very special child and I’m sure God loves him very much.
    I think God loves him more than all of us together… It’s so beautiful that Michael, in almost all his interviews, talked about God, Jesus and God guiding his work… I love him because of that.

    Many people will always think that they are better than others and that’s why they put themselves in a position where they are perfect human beings, but the others are full of sins and mistakes…

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  10. Suzy permalink
    October 18, 2010 9:13 am

    I find it very un-Christian when people who consider themselves Christians say things like XY is in Hell. First off, if you are a Christian why do you play God? I thought God is The Judge, not people.

    And secondly, read one of the best known passages of the Bible, which is 1. Chorintians 13, or the “hymn of Love”. I have never seen a better definition of Love than this. And as a Christian you have to be filled with love, not with hatred, right?

    So what is Love?

    “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    Love never fails.”

    Have you ever thought about this? What a wonderful description! For example: “It always protects, always trusts, always hopes”.

    It means that love is always optimistic, always hopes for the best, always sees the best in people and not the worst, always assumes the best about people and not the worst. It always protects (and not blames!) people! (Blaming is actually associated with Satan in the Bible! He is the great Accuser, the great Blamer!)

    That is Love! So for this reason I just cannot see how this trend of “helling” other people can be Christian. In my view it is not. As a Christian you “always trust, always hope”.

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  11. October 18, 2010 8:35 am

    “please stop posting desiree comments on your site”

    Okunuga, I will if she becomes too much of a nuisance. I allow her to stay here for the same reason Thomas Mesereau allowed witnesses for the prosecution speaking without interruption. He says that if they talk and talk they eventually start making slips and mistakes in their stories and this is when the time comes to do away with their lies.

    The hater visiting here should get all the rope to hang herself with. This way not only us but hopefully everyone see how ridiculous the haters’ views are. However I left a detailed comment on each of her statements in her own reply (see below).

    I must admit though that I am getting a little tired of repeating things again and again. If she doesn’t listen and goes on just repeating haters’ mantras even my patience will come to an end. I told her that any conversation would be possible only in case I see any signs of her thinking.

    P.S. The full answer to Desiree is placed in the page which is called a “See through lies Manual”.

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  12. pez permalink
    October 17, 2010 7:47 pm

    Oh Desiree is back. The ‘champion of children’. She seems to have a difficult time differentiating the truth from the truth made up in her own mind. Michael was “too powerful” which enabled him into fooling, manipulating, and victimizing kids in such a way. Wow. I would think Desiree or Veronique or Claire (clearly she can’t choose one name) was likening Michael to Christ. Michael was only a man, he was not some master manipulator. If he was those scandals would never have gotten out.

    Desiree admits she’s a troll so she doesn’t care for truth, she just hates and accuses Michael out of her own fear, paranoia, anxiety, envy, resentment, and a host of other ugly emotions. It would be refreshing if Desiree would get as impassioned over the likes of Gary Glitter, Roman Polanski, Jeffrey Jones, etc. Why? They are not as threatening. They did nothing to change the world for the better at large, to bring all groups of people together, therefore they are nothing to fear.

    Christian people who condemn Michael to ‘hell’ are no Christians at all

    “And the Lord said vengeance is mine”

    Judge not less ye be judged

    Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.”

    Scriptures the likes of Desiree must familiarize themselves with.

    Would Michael have been blessed with the ability to influence so many through the positive creative gifts of song & dance if he such an evil, satanic individual. I think not.

    Michael was already in hell on Earth. He dealt with leeches, parasites, hangers on, opportunists, and above all racist, hateful, prejudiced opinions which were passed off as fact. If Michael was as sinister as Desiree claims, those in power would have had no problems with him. He represented innocence, child like spirit, wonder, magic, optimism, love, and hope. Values that are quickly dying in this dark, ugly, cynical world.

    Desiree is still suffering yet Michael is free. Oh the irony. Hate destroys those who perpetuate hate NOT those who receive it. Remember this Desiree. Remember.

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  13. Chris permalink
    October 17, 2010 6:51 pm

    I know you used “Superfly Sister” but “Monkey Business” would also be suitable but then again so could a lot of MJ’s work be used to show societies flaws.

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  14. Okunuga permalink
    October 17, 2010 4:59 pm

    I feel the next battle to be fought is to get tom sneddon tried for prosecution neglegent and please stop posting desiree comments on your site since she has own site that she uses to spew her own garbages and by the way congratulations to mj fan-mily on the un veiling of mj auditorium signpost

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  15. October 16, 2010 10:17 pm

    David, thank you for the link – the article is great and is very enlightening as to how it was before with Jermaine’s envy of Michael’s success and what’s going in the family now.

    And I must really apologize to Raven Woods for not going often to her site – she quotes us a lot and we are just ungrateful pigs. Her site has so many great posts which are overlapping with our topics that we must insert links to them into our posts on a regular basis – this way the information is exchanged better and readers get a fuller picture.

    David, since you probably understand that I am hopeless in this respect could I ask you to provide us with the necessary links to Raven’s blog so that we can put them into our posts? Or could you just add them without asking me – like, for example, “more about it here” + the link? Or probably within the text where you see the right place for them?

    I am sorry that I cannot do more at the moment. I really must be going to bed now – it’s 2.15 am here and tomorrow I will be away. If our “visitor” gets on your nerves too much, please spam her until I come back – sorry, but I will reply her next week only.

    P.S. That painted doll Latoya is absolutely pathetic.

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  16. lcpledwards permalink
    October 16, 2010 9:23 pm

    @ Helena
    Here is Raven Woods’ interpretations of “Superfly Sister” in this post about the dysfunction amongst certain members of the Jackson family: http://allforloveblog.com/?p=4165

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  17. October 16, 2010 9:01 pm

    “I never ever said that sex is a bad thing. What I do and totally think is a bad and disgusting thing is what sex turn to be,what it represents today! A Disgusting cold dirty nasty and twisted game with no feeling Or LOVE.
    For me,Having sex is the most pure and warm thing and it must be with Emotions,Purity and most important with LOVE!”

    Dear, I know you didn’t say it was bad. It absolutely isn’t if it is based on love.

    ““Superfly Sister” is a very great song of Michael, Which I Adore That Song. It really fits to our issue. One of the comments I mentioned earlier were made by this kind of fan about “Superly Sister” Who Didn’t understand the true meaning of the song.”

    Oh my God, it is fantastic. I have listened to it before but didn’t understand a word of it (I should do my homework better). Here it is complete with the lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIRgAGPUtmI

    I shall immediately put this Manifesto Against Vulgarity in Sex Relations into the post – it is the essence of it. It also seemed to me that he mentioned Latoya being married to a ‘hood’ there? Saying that it is ‘good’ and Michael praying ‘Holy Mary mercy me, I can’t believe the things I see’?

    Absolutely fantastic!

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  18. October 16, 2010 8:18 pm

    “I’m a little bit rusty on Kant’s principles”

    Skeptikos, it is a really nice way to put it. My brains are not sharp enough for Immanuel Kant. However the brainier ones have been checking his conclusions for three centuries now (he was born in 1724) and still cannot find any flaws in his logics. This is enough proof for me to believe him. Skipping the argumentation here are some of the thoughts and conclusions:

    Two things awe me most, the starry sky above me and the moral law within me. (as far as I know he proved the existence of God by the moral law within us. The moral law is not found in the animal world, but only among humans which makes us special)

    – Morality is not really the doctrine of how to make ourselves happy but of how we are to be worthy of happiness.

    Always recognize that human individuals are ends, and do not use them as means to your end. (we cannot and shouldn’t use others for our own purposes)

    – Act only on that maxim which you can at the same time will to become a universal law. (we should act only in a way that we think anyone else in the same situation should also act. So it would be wrong to lie, because we could not possibly will that everyone lied)

    If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on.

    Immaturity is the incapacity to use one’s intelligence without the guidance of another.

    He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.

    – In law a man is guilty when he violates the rights of others. In ethics he is guilty if he only thinks of doing so.

    Since Immanuel Kant is the most difficult of all world philosophers and is virtually unreadable, here are a couple of videos to explain some of his maxims:

    There is a good comment on the above video:

    “Lying is not ok because in a world in which all people lied all the time when lying would be more beneficial than telling the truth, nobody would expect the truth to be told to them, thereby negating the idea of a lie. ‘Lying’, as an act, ceases to mean anything. All persons would expect lies and if a lies are expected, no statements are believed by anybody at any time regarding any proposition because of the necessarily dishonest nature of humanity.”

    I think the media have almost reached that stage (at least as regards Michael Jackson) and their lies about him have actually ceased to mean anything to us – we don’t believe anything of what they are saying. And since the lie potential has been exhausted there is an objective necessity for the truth now.

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  19. Irma permalink
    October 16, 2010 5:38 pm

    @vindicatemj
    I never ever said that sex is a bad thing.
    What I do and totally think is a bad and disgusting thing is what sex turn to be,what it represents today!
    A Disgusting cold dirty nasty and twisted game with no feeling Or LOVE.
    For me,Having sex is the most pure and warm thing and it must be with Emotions,Purity and most important with LOVE!
    That’s why I Am so disgusts and so hard mad!
    Because People have turned sex to the most the sex to the most important thing in a relationship
    and It hurts me,I am taking it personally.

    About Michael,I Think that “Superfly Sister” is a very great song of Michael,Which I Adore That Song. It really fits to our issue. One of the comments I mentioned earlier were made by this kind of fan about “Superly Sister” Who Didn’t understand the true meaning of the song.

    Here Are The Lyrics

    Yeah Shoo-hee
    Oooh
    Hee hee!
    Shoo-hee
    Woh
    Woh
    Hee!

    Love ain’t what it used to be
    That is what they’re tellin’ me
    Push it in stick it out
    That ain’t what it’s all about

    He wanna do something keen to you
    He wanna wrap his arms all around you girl
    He wanna shake it up shake it down
    Doing it right
    He wanna jump back half flap doing it right

    He wanna lay you down
    Turn it up
    Kicking it loose
    He wanna fly high nigh high
    Baby for you’se

    He wanna motormouth
    Float around
    Baby the back
    He wanna shake it up shake it down
    Moving round ha ha

    Love ain’t what it used to be
    (Hee!)
    That is what they’re tellin’ me
    Push it in stick it out
    That ain’t what it’s all about
    (Oh)

    Susie like to agitate
    Get the boy and make him wait
    Mother’s preaching Abraham
    Brothers they don’t give a damn
    (Oh)

    He wanna do something keen to you
    He wanna wrap his arms all around you girl
    He wanna do it up keep it high
    Deep in the night
    He wanna eye ball
    Get hard
    Playing it right

    He wanna turn the key
    Hurt the sheets
    Move to the left
    He wanna hot scrub
    Hot love
    Making it wet

    He wanna give hot jump shot
    Move to the left
    He wanna time bar
    Slam dunk ha ha ha

    Hoo!
    Hee!
    Keep it goin’
    Party now
    Hee!
    Hee!

    Love ain’t what it used to be
    (Hoo!)
    That is what they’re tellin’ me
    (Oooh!)
    Push it in stick it out
    That ain’t what it’s all about

    Sister say she love him some
    (She’s doin’ it, she’s doin’ it)
    God is jammin’ on the run
    Mother’s preaching Abraham
    (Hee!)
    Brothers they don’t give a damn
    (Oh)

    (Ha!)
    (Ho!)

    Johnny’s begging pretty please
    (Keep the brother on his knees)
    Keep the brother on his knees
    (Hee hee!)
    Susie likes to agitate
    (Keep doin’ it keep doin’ it)
    Get the boy and make him wait

    Sister’s marries to a hood
    Sayin’ that she got it good
    Holy Mary Mercy me
    (Hee!)
    I can’t believe the things I see

    Thinkin’ that they got it made
    (Hoo!)
    They doin’ what they used to hate
    (Oooh!)
    Push it in stick it out
    (Keep doin’ it)
    (Keep doin’ it)
    That ain’t what it’s all about
    That ain’t what it’s all about

    Holy Mary Mercy me
    (She’s holy Mary moly Mary)
    I can’t believe the things I see
    (Goin’ on now)
    (Hee Hee!)
    Mother’s preaching Abraham
    (She’s doin’ it she’s doin’ it)
    Brothers they don’t give a damn
    (Hoo Hoo!)
    (Hoo! Hoo!)
    (Holy Mary moly Mary)

    Sister say she loves him some
    (She’s goin’ down)
    (Hoo!)
    God is jammin’ all around
    (God is jammin’)
    (Hee hee!)
    Holy Mary Mercy me
    (She’s holy Mary moly Mary)
    I can’t believe the things I see
    (Keep on goin’)
    (Hee!)
    (Hee!)

    You’re doin’ it
    You’re dirty
    Keep doin’ it
    You’re dirty
    Keep nasty
    You’re nasty
    You’re doin’ it
    You’re dirty
    You’re dirty
    You’re doin’ it
    You’re nasty
    You’re doin’ it
    Keep dirty
    Keep dirty
    You really want it
    Oooh!

    Hoo!
    Hoo!
    (Go’on now)
    Hoo!
    Hoo!

    (Doh)
    (Close your eyes)
    (I gotta make)
    (Close the door)
    (She’s dirty)
    (She’s oh)
    (She’s)
    (Hee!)
    (Keep on goin’)
    (Party down)

    Holy Mary mercy me
    (Hoo!)
    I can’t believe the things I see
    Push it in stick it out
    That ain’t what it’s all about

    There are some who love to think that Michael actually is singing only about sex,I an talking you know about who.
    But In Fact he sings about how upset he is that Love is no longer how it used to be and that sex ain’t what it’s all about.
    To Be Honest I Love that song!
    Here again,Michael Proves how genius He is and how Lovely human being he is and how unique human being he is!

    You Didn’t sound dirty to me.Again,I Never said that have sex it’s a bad thing.and the vulgar comments this group said about Michael are horrible.You Don’t Know What I Saw.They Didn’t talk about MJ Sexual life with his wives or something,It’s was like they were talking stories,like he was again :sex obsessive,playboy and playboy magazines obsessive ,Obsessive womanizer and etc.
    Why they try to Make Michael to someone he was not?
    Are not Michael’s words enough? why this stupid will to dirt him with thing Michael himself was embarrassed and shy about it?

    I am sure there will be some that Will come to me and say ” Don’t put yourself on other people”
    I am not putting Myself on nobody and especially not on Michael Jackson.

    Michael himself made some remarks during his life about this issue (Oprah,The Rabbi Conversations),And I Think People Should Respect That.

    What’s Really Funny That this group of fans in addition to the “virginal angel” think that With That We Keep The medialoids Slander That Michael Is Guy

    Well, I Didn’t Know That Believe In LOVE Means Being Guy Or Supporting the medialoids

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  20. October 16, 2010 5:32 pm

    “there is a CULTURE OF FEAR now in society.”

    I have a strong suspicion that the majority of people have a lot of good in them and it is only because they are afraid to show it is why they don’t make it public. They fear that if they show themselves as kind and compassionate guys others will think them soft, naïve and vulnerable and this vulnerability will be immediately taken advantage of. This is why many take an “I am street smart and don’t you ever touch me” attitude just out of fear and as a means of the defense.

    Fear distorts your vision, because you can’t see the situation as it is – you see it only the way you fear it is.

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  21. October 16, 2010 4:19 pm

    It’s totally disgusting what the way the world manages now day. It makes me sick. The World Is So Sick, Dirty, Corrupt, Twisted, Full Of Junk! I am 17 years old, and I don’t feel and even don’t want part of the world’s society. Just thinking about it, I have pains. Everywhere, everything is all about sex. But There Are People Who Want To FEEL!!!! Nowadays Believing In LOVE means that we are “virginal angels”. There is a group of fans, even sites that talking about Michael Jackson Like He Was Some Kind Of Sex Obsessed Machine – Something He Truly Was Not. Today If A Man is not a playboy guy, reads playboy magazines, watches erotic movies, goes to strip clubs and have sex with every woman -It means that he is GAY Or a an Alien!

    Hello to a fellow Martian. It truly surprised me to see a Martian streak in a 17 year old – I thought they were already extinct among the young. Well, things are not as bad as we sometimes think.

    Yes, sex is surely overemphasized now. I remember a comment one foreigner made on a documentary film made in the 1950s which showed women dancing with women at the celebrations devoted to the end of WWII – he noted “Lesbians?” in a half question and half assertion manner which almost made my hair stand on end.

    To someone who really knows such an interpretation is ridiculous. Moreover – it is insulting. These women were just happy that the war was over and were dancing with each other because their men had died in the war and there were not many men left in the surrounding! And everyone knows it, except those who were brought up in today’s rotten atmosphere where crooked ideas are introduced forcefully into people’s minds to explain other people’s behavior by sex instincts only.

    Such a remark gives an immediate insight into the minds of these people. Though the supposition itself may be quite justified given the females dancing together (which is unnatural), however under no circumstances can it concern these particular women. They most probably didn’t even hear of any lesbian love because their young lives were spent working nightshifts at gun-making plants or hospitals or running around in search for some food and warm clothes in between bombs falling on their heads and them sleeping some 3-4 hours a day for the four years the war lasted here. And I know for sure that the only real thought on their minds was an every-day fight for survival…

    This is probably why the foreigner didn’t even understand why I looked so startled by his observation. He probably thought me prudish or whatever. You won’t be able to explain it in a couple of words if someone doesn’t understand it, will you? You just say “No, they are not” in reply to such a question. But doesn’t it effectively show that the first-minute associations people have tell you more about these people than the fact they are observing and commenting on?

    This is what they did to Michael Jackson. He wanted to heal the wounds of poor, ill or neglected children while they saw only perversion in it. He shared millions with the needy while they thought he was making up for his ‘sins’ this way. He enjoyed making presents while they explained he was buying silence. He desperately needed some privacy and they called this desire weird. He didn’t have sex with everyone around or kept his affairs secret and the world passed around expert opinion about him being gay, asexual, not having semen because of his father’s beatings, perverse and so on. He married at the age of 36 and everyone mocked at it, while Richard Gere married at 42 and no one minded it.

    I don’t want to make wild guesses about Michael’s sex life but what I am sure of is that he didn’t want sex without love. However if a love feeling was there there was probably no stopping him (so those fans may be partially right). Excuse me for saying that but Michael could indeed be a true love machine because I’ve read somewhere that Debby Rowe said he could make love round the clock.

    I remembered it because such an observation coming from Debby surprised me very much, however if this was the way with her – probably just out of the sense of duty and gratitude – what could it be like if he really loved someone – Lisa Marie Presley, for example? If this is the case it doesn’t surprise me that she ran after him for years after the divorce, writing him letters, promising him nine children, asking him to “take her back” and even repeatedly calling his mother about it? She did say that he was a great dynamic force which shouldn’t be underestimated, didn’t she? Did you think of the same thing I’ve just thought of?

    I hope I don’t sound too dirty for you, but genuine love feelings do not rule out sex – vice versa, they very much include it and make it truly fantastic. And when sexual life gradually fades as the couple gets old it is love and respect for each other and warm reminiscences which stay and keep the bond.

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  22. Suzy permalink
    October 16, 2010 8:39 am

    @ Helena

    but it is laughable for those who have failed it altogether and have not even reached a college stage to judge university professors just because they received B marks in their youth for excessive correction of their nose shape!

    I agree!

    Like Jesus said simply but perfectly: “Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?”

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  23. October 16, 2010 7:16 am

    I feel he was here for us all to learn something from and through his fate.

    Suzy, thank you so much. What you are saying is what many of us feel. In fact if many of us didn’t feel that way there wouldn’t have been an ocean-like tide of remorse after Michael’s death when thousands and thousands of people woke up to the truth all at once. The Heavens probably meant it this way though Michael implored “Father, please have mercy!” (Scream)

    Self-righteous people would probably say the thing we should learn from his fate is how not to live. The dangers of plastic surgery, the pitfalls of celebrity etc. etc. While there may be some point in those as well (and I don’t pretend Michael was perfect), I think those who think this is the only moral of the story, have missed the big lesson altogether.

    I think there is no such thing as perfection of a human being as such. A man is in the process of learning at every stage of his life and what he started with is not necessarily something he will adhere to when his life is drawing to an end. Michael was also probably sorry about the several times he worked on his nose (though the first two were mandatory due to the accident and further correction of his breathing problem), but again, it is none of our business to judge him for it – each of us has his own record to take care of.

    Each man is a pupil here on earth and it is simply inevitable for him to first be a pre-school pupil, than a college student and then, possibly, a university professor. In terms of spiritual growth some people never go past their pre-school stage (DD, VG, etc.) though in real life they may be awfully successful. To me it is mostly the end that matters though the marks a person gets during his schooling are important too.

    Michael was an excellent pupil throughout his schooling with some minor imperfections here and there, but it is laughable for those who have failed it altogether and have not even reached a college stage to judge university professors just because they received B marks in their youth for excessive correction of their nose shape!

    The lesson is really about us more than about Michael. It’s us, the society who cannot tolerate people who are different and feel the need to dehumanize and eliminate them. It’s us, the society who find childlikeness in an adult “weird” and “freaky”. It’s us, the society who project our worst nightmares and fears onto other people. It’s us, the society with a lynch mob mentality if we feel somebody of us is down and wounded. It’s us, the society who like to mock and ridicule people just for the fun of it. It’s us, the society who see the worst in other people and not the best. Michael wasn’t just the “Man in the Mirror”, he was The Mirror! And it’s time to look into that mirror.

    YEESSS!
    And when people like DD and VG are looking into the mirror of Michael Jackson they see nothing else but their dear selves.

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  24. lcpledwards permalink
    October 16, 2010 6:23 am

    Good news! The Gardner Street School surprised EVERYONE by uncovering MJ’s name TODAY!! They didn’t even wait until next week’s meeting!

    Here is the press release!!! Congrats to everyone who participated in the effort to restore his name! When you combine this good news with the article I posted earlier with the author APOLOGIZED and RETRACTED his negative comments about MJ, it’s like a double dose of good news to help get the weekend started!

    http://www.mj-777.com/?p=5945#comments

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  25. October 16, 2010 6:19 am

    “The Gardner Street School may uncover Michael’s name
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=166379040040125

    Pez, thank you for this news and for bringing it into our attention. It’s the first time I hear even of the problem (SORRY, it is impossible to follow everything) but it feels good to learn of it at a stage when it is no longer a problem.

    I fully agree with the author of the article – Listen everyone, let me just say that this WILL be done. Our patience and perseverance WILL pay off.

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  26. lynande51 permalink
    October 16, 2010 5:46 am

    Hi David I think it should be noted that only very small pieces of Jolie Levines deposition were added to the papers filed in court that day. It is also much more interesting when you know who she really is. Her name is Jolie Jones Levine the eldest daughter of Quincy Jones. Yes I would imagine she would be upset having been called in to give a deposition but a better question would be why did they call her? Quincy Jones has Seven daughters. His youngest daughter Rashida once ran up a $500 phone bill calling Michael Jackson when she was little. Rashida is also the reason that Bubbles had go live in a sancutary because she was the one he bit.

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  27. Skeptikos permalink
    October 16, 2010 4:44 am

    At last!

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  28. Skeptikos permalink
    October 16, 2010 4:30 am

    Oooops, typo error – lie (not lye) – sorry!

    (…) one tells a lie for a “good” goal / reason (…)

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  29. Skeptikos permalink
    October 16, 2010 4:25 am

    «Eventually, the act of lying would become unnecessary, because people would no longer believe each other; thus eliminating the very reason and need for telling lies.”»
    The end of our turmoil.

    Well, vindicatemj, I’m a little bit rusty on Kant’s principles but I believe (pls correct me if I’m wrong ) that lying (for Kant) was always wrong, no matter what could justify a lie.
    He based this on his general principle that we should treat each human being (rational) as an end in itself (respecting his/hers rationality) and never as a mere “means” (ex: for the liar to get what he/she wants).
    Therefore, also in opposition to the mere possibility that – one tells a lye for a “good” goal – lying is not permissible because the act simply cannot be willed into “universal law” and also because it is impossible for one to see what good goal/consequence can eventually come of a lie.
    The Kantian conception of “human dignity” is not easy to understand either, but I believe he also stated the value of human beings ‘is above any price’ had in mind not just a rhetorical effect, but an objective opinion about the place of humans in the order of things, meaning, imo, human dignity transcends materialism or any indignant action (like a lie).

    Therefore, our immoral standards of today like lies, narcissistic behavior/perverted actions, plus lack of determinism (free-will), as well as false consciousness will drive us to the abyss of extinction.
    Ethics is indeed essential to our survival!

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  30. Chris permalink
    October 16, 2010 1:11 am

    @ everyone

    I can understand your negativity about society, I am 21 and like me you probably had every person around you at the time of the trial saying “MJ is guilty” and when I asked them why they had no answer other than he’s a freak or looks strange etc.

    My advice would be if you look at MJ’s lyric in Privacy about Diana.

    “to get the message across that yet you haven’t heard”

    IMO the message was if every person did there bit to do as much good as they can no matter what your social status (e.g. help some elderly person with their shopping or just some loose change in a charity pot) then you make your mark on improving and helping others.
    However, there is a CULTURE OF FEAR now in society. I remember last year I walked around a lady to get to my dads car and she jumped out of her skin.

    I said whats wrong?
    She replied I thought you were a gang member going to rob me!

    I just smiled and walked on I was walking along with one other person which was my 60 year old dad!
    She saw a 20 year old come over her shoulder and her automatic reaction is societys logic of all young people being involved in antisocial behaviour and crime.

    But you shouldn’t be discouraged. You don’t do selfless acts for personal gain or a big house or a nice car. You do it because you know in your heart it is the correct thing to do.
    So, don’t let society win. Theres this automatic assumption that society is right about everything and should never be challenged…hmmm Racism, Sexism, Homophobia etc etc.

    This is one of many lessons I learned from Michael.
    It’s time for us now to be the one’s to take a stand instead of watching Icons rise and fall to act on there message. Otherwise there lessons will never be learned and their lives of struggles would of been for nothing.

    We all feel dispair when we look around on news and everyday life now. You just have to hold on to hope and the truth, that is why although Michael and others were battered and bruised, they could never finish him/them off and the proof of that is US!

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  31. lcpledwards permalink
    October 16, 2010 12:21 am

    Hey guys, apparently our visitor here is making reference to Jolie Levine, who was MJ’s secretary in the late 80’s.

    Among other edited depositions filed Monday in connection with the lawsuit is one taken from Jolie Levine, who worked as Jackson’s secretary for two years starting in 1987. Levine told the lawyers that she called Jackson a “chicken hawk,” a slang term for a pedophile, when police interviewed her about the allegations against her former boss.

    “And when you told that to the detectives or the police, you meant by that that Michael Jackson was a pedophile, correct?” asked Robert Turner, an associate of Feldman who also is representing the boy.

    I was caught off guard, angry, surprised,” Levine said. “I didn’t really mean saying that.”

    If you look closely at what she said, it’s easy to see where she was coming from. She worked with MJ from 1987-89 as an assistant on his Bad tour (http://www.jacksonaction.com/?page=text/badtour.htm), and then moved on with her life for 4 years before being dragged into MJ’s mess in 1993. She was obviously very upset about having her life interrupted in order to be interrogated by police and lawyers about her time with MJ. And out of that anger, combined with the public perception of MJ being gay, she said that derogatory slur against MJ. She did NOT say it because she had any inside knowledge of MJ, because she was only with him on tour! She didn’t visit Neverland (in fact, Neverland wasn’t even purchased until AFTER the Bad tour)!! Her reaction is similar to many in the general public who called MJ other derogatory slurs during that time, because those allegations “complimented” the effeminate label that the media pigeonholed MJ with, primarily due to his affinity for children.

    I guess we’re supposed to believe that she had dirt on MJ, but was “paid off”, just like all of those other victims?

    http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-11/local/me-10709_1_michael-jackson

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  32. Suzy permalink
    October 15, 2010 11:23 pm

    “Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.”

    I love you Michael.

    Wade Robson.

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  33. Irma permalink
    October 15, 2010 11:03 pm

    Thank You Thank You Millions Thanks For This ADORABLE Piece!
    I felt a so good while I was reading your article.

    It’s totally disgusting what the way the world manages now day.
    It makes me sick.The World Is So Sick,Dirty,Corrupt,Twisted,Full Of Junk!
    One of what totally can piss the hell of me is,the fact the nowday,Everything all goes around Sex.
    Everywhere,everything is all about sex.
    There is no more innocence! We Totally can see it in MJ’s Trial’s.
    God,when I read the trial transcripts and saw the damns,stupids,insane questions that have been asked I almost chocked full of anger and broke the wall.
    The world has lost the Purity and The Innocence!
    Why do we need all the Multi Advanced Technology and all the other crap if the humanity is losing the most saint thing? Innocence !! Purity!
    The only good thing the humanity gained with all this World Progressing it’s the FREEDOM,but as we all see,people abusing this freedom to do NASTY AND DIRTY things with the Miserable Lame claim,they are using the Free Speech.
    But what those people don’t know or maybe forgot that,Free Speech ends when you use your free speech For Insulting Innocent People Or Slandering Him Without Strong Proofs!
    Very very very common thing the Medialoids do and then come to me and telling they are “Serious Journalist” While every question they ask start with the same 2 words “People Say”!

    What also shows how the world in addition to being dirty and twisted is Totally Ignorant And Narrow Mind.
    I mean,look,Today If A Man is not a playboy guy,reads playboy magazines,watches erotic movies,goes to strip clubs and have sex with every woman -It means that he is GAY Or a an Alien!

    I assume this sounds similar,because it is.That’s what Michael had to fact during his entire LIFE!
    The Media sucked his blood from his very young age.not just the media even some of fans.There is an article from Jet 1979 where Michael tells How He refused to kiss a fan on the lips and then she called him “Fag”
    Here Is The Link:

    http://celebrityhollywoodgossips.blogspot.com/2010/07/vintage-michael-jackson-talks-dating.html

    The Point Is -Just because Michael Jackson doesn’t screws every woman makes him Gay? Since when or who make this twisted And Sick theory?
    And here again we can sadly repeat how the world lost his Purity!
    I guess people forgot that there is such things that Calls : LOVE, LOYALTY,FEELINGS,SOUL,HEART!

    And not just cold sex games.
    There Are People Who Want To FEEL!!!! Not Having A Game!

    What most makes me feel really bad,is how there is a group of fan,even sites that talking about Michael Jackson Like He Was Some Kind Of Sex Obsessed Machine -Something He Truly Was Not.
    Michael Was Totally Different From That. Michael Was All Into Innocence!
    They Are Having This Obsession of making Michael To Something He Was Completely Different Of!

    If You Just Could See Those Comments,God.
    Comments Like “Michael Had Needs” “Michael Loved Sex” “I Hate When When Fans MJ Was A virginal Angel” “MJ Is A Nasty dirty Boy” And Even Worse Worse And Worse!

    Saying That Michael Was All Into Innocence Doesn’t Means We Are Saying He Was Virginal Angel!

    It Means That Michael Believed In LOVE In INNOCENCE In PURITY In JOY In LOYALTY in CHILDLIKE in The ONE AND THE PERFECT WOMAN In FEELINGS!

    You See How Everything Is All Twisted?
    Nowadays Believing In LOVE means that we are “virginal angels”.

    They MUST Read Some Transcripts Of They Conversations Michael Had With Shmuley About His View About Love And Sexuality.

    I am 17 years old,and I don’t feel and even don’t want part of the world’s society.Just thinking about it,I have pains.

    I Always wonder who is the guilty for the culture we have now?
    I Used To Blame The Media,But Now After Thinking About It,The Answer Is Clear- It’s Us Again. The Human Beings.Just Like We Created It We Can Stop It! Just Like Many Say And I Support It The Worst Enemy Of The Human Being Is The Human Being Himself!

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  34. October 15, 2010 10:47 pm

    MODERATOR’S comments are in the brackets.

    If only all of this were true. But, alas, I have a strong suspicion it is not.
    (Beware, when you share your suspicions in defiance of all facts you are speaking of YOUR nature, not his.)

    His belief in children’s innocence is odd to me.
    (It can seem odd to you only if you are not believing in their innocence yourself. It doesn’t seem odd to any of us as ALL people think children innocent.)

    You quoted from Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s book and when I first read it when I was still a fan, or more of a fan (stop lying, you have never been a fan) I thought he was using children and throwing them away after he was done with them.
    (I’ve also read Shmuley’s book and there is NOTHING there to suggest a ridiculous thing like that. You are either lying or are again projecting YOURSELF onto the situation).

    Just like he did with the animals.
    (First they took away his money and then wondered why he didn’t keep up the Neverland? Victor Gutierrez was bragging he was going to own Neverland. Since driving away Michael from his home was largerly his doing I suggest HE takes responsibility for the poor animals’ fate. However I hear nothing terrible happened to them).

    But, having researched into p–lia, that is the typical behavior of those affected with that mental sickness. They ‘love kids’ but they then throw them away.
    (First you tell a BIG lie about MJ “throwing away” children, which even despicable Shmuley never ventured, and then you make a FURTHER step based on your first lie saying this “typical behavior of p.” attributes to MJ. I know of only ONE author who was also keen on this “throwing away” idea. It was Victor Gutierrez – he said Wade Robson was so badly “thrown away” that he was homeless and had to beg for money in the street. Your and VG’s vision is surprisingly similar).

    I thought it was cruel when I read Boteach’s book, what he did to children.
    (A third false step – now you are shedding a crocodile tear over something which was already false on two occasions. TRIPLE LIE. And where did you see cruelty in “what he did to children”? This is a somewhat new and unexpected twist of a hater’s thought to me as this is what Boteach’s book actually tells us:

    MJ: “I have heard Gavin’s doctors, and his doctors say that it is a miracle how he is doing better and that’s why I know this magic of love is so important. I like giving them that love and that pride to feel that they belong and they are special. He was hiding and he was ashamed that he had a bald head and he had cancer. Everybody has made him feel like an outcast and that’s how he came here and I want him to let go. He is such a beautiful child, he doesn’t need that hat. I told him, “You look like an angel. What are you ashamed of?”

    When Michael had little Ryan White in his dining room (he dined with him at a time when others were afraid to breathe the same air with him because of his AIDS!), Ryan told his mother at table that when he died he wanted to be buried in jeans and a T-shirt. Michael’s reaction was: “I ran to the bathroom and I cried. Imagine a 12-year old boy telling his mother how to bury him. How could your heart not go out to someone like that?
    When the boy died Michael promised “I will create a song for you. I want the world to know who you are. I did Gone too soon. That was for him”.

    Obviously JoRobson remarked about thiats to June Chandler, that Jordie would eventually be abandoned for a ‘new special friend’, ie TOY.
    (It is obviously only to YOU dear, however Joy Robson said something absolutely different:

    To Tom Sneddon:
    Q. And in a conversation you told June Chandler that with these special friends, that when Mr.Jackson moves on to the next special friend, that it has a tremendous emotional impact on the children when they’re no longer the favorite, correct?
    A. As does everybody when they lose a friend.
    Q. I’m sorry?
    A. As does everyone if you lose a friend or a friend becomes friendly with somebody else.

    To Thomas Mesereau:
    Q. Did you ever see something that you thoughtwas very suspicious when one child would get jealous of Mr. Jackson’s attention to another child?
    A. No, I think that’s normal with children.
    Q. When you used the term ‘special friends,’ what did you mean?
    A. I think just the one that he was spending time with for now. That he considered all of his friends special.
    Q. When you used the term ‘special friends,’ did you mean to suggest anything criminal was going on?
    A. Absolutely not.

    It’s just… wrong.
    (Yes, it IS wrong to twist the facts the way you do).

    I wish he was like he said he was. It would be refreshing. But he was not. Never was.
    (Repeating hateful mantras won’t help)

    He was sexually abused by adult men (not even by ONE????) and that shaped his ….sexuality. He needed psychiatric intervention, not praise of the facade (which, ironically, was used to capture boys).
    (It is yet to be determined who needs psychiatric intervention here).

    His secretary Jolie Levine called him a ‘chicken hawk’, which was slang for P. She disavowed her statement saying she was caught off guard but how do you get caught off guard and call an non-P a ‘chicken hawk’? I think she was lying… as usual.
    (His employees were also humans who unfortunately read tabloids and watched TV. When the world around you is screaming dirt about your boss, some will start doubting even though they’ve have never seen anything themselves. It is the usual mob mentality – each person in the crowd thinks “I don’t know it myself, but look at all these people – ALL of them cannot be wrong. So there must be something to it”. MJ’s bodyguards who told ridiculous stories to tabloids later admitted under oath at the trial that they were just saying what “they heard from others”

    David, thank you for the information about Jolie, you just confirmed my suppositions by saying: “If you look closely at what she said, it’s easy to see where she was coming from. She worked with MJ from 1987-89 as an assistant on his Bad tour (http://www.jacksonaction.com/?page=text/badtour.htm), and then moved on with her life for 4 years before being dragged into MJ’s mess in 1993. She was obviously very upset about having her life interrupted in order to be interrogated by police and lawyers about her time with MJ. And out of that anger, combined with the public perception of MJ being gay, she said that derogatory slur against MJ. She did NOT say it because she had any inside knowledge of MJ, because she was only with him on tour! She didn’t visit Neverland (in fact, Neverland wasn’t even purchased until AFTER the Bad tour)!!

    When we are dealing with Michael Jackson, all reason and ethics are out the window (sure, when it comes to the media and people like you).

    He’s just too powerful.
    (A especially pathetic mantra told by the haters which has nothing to do with the 15-year long lynching of Michael. However I agree – Michael Jackson IS powerful, but not in the way you mean it).

    By the way, Michael Jackson abandoned God a long time ago.
    (He was a true believer in God until his last breath even if he didn’t attend church. Michael’s later songs were increasingly turning into prayers: Holy Mary, mercy me… Farther, please have mercy… He prayed to God when he saw the beauty of the nature and the happy faces of his (and other) children. He was CONSTANTLY in a state of prayer. You should read more of Michael and less of Maureen Orth, DD and VG if you really want to know).

    If any of you believe in the Christian concepts and the Bible, Michael is probably in ‘Hell’…
    A serious statement and a very damaging one too. Not for Michael, but for YOU. If you do really read the Bible, then you should know that all sins are forgivable except one – sins against the Holy Spirit. Have you ever wondered what it is? I mean REALLY wondered? Well, it has to do with speaking against the truth, confusing the minds of other God’s creations (human beings) with deliberate lies, corrupting their souls, hindering their spiritual and moral development and dirtying THEIR spirit this way. By offering them lies and taking them off the correct road the cynical and the corrupt assume the tremendous responsibility for other people’s downfalls . This is why the Bible is warning against committing such crimes against humanity and calls them UNFORGIVABLE. Just think the spirit of how many people you have tried – and probably succeeded – to take down now, and you will know who is following the real road to hell. You need to repent before it is too late.

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  35. October 15, 2010 6:28 pm

    “In endless ways they sought to dismantle
    This mysteroius force which they could not handle
    In endless ways they tried to destroy
    His simple trust, his boundless joy”

    Louise, thanks a lot for your support. The poem is great. Michael’s writings in general are a unique insight into what he was really like. Writers very often betray the darkest corners of their souls in what they say even despite their will, but whenever I read Michael there is never a trace of what he was accused of or anything even remotedly close to it (Victor Gutierrez’s book is the opposite case – though he is writing about MJ his own personality projects itself onto every page).

    Michael’s compatriots mostly listen to his music, while foreigners often have a problem with understanding lyrics so they have to find texts and study them – and this is when Michael opens up. It is high time the English speakers started paying attention to his words as well.

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  36. October 15, 2010 6:03 pm

    “through education, work, parenthood, or by adhering religious, or traditional concepts of what are considered humane qualities, values and believes (ethical codes), we have to train ourselves to be “good”, to be better, and children are our only and last hope towards a solution for the general cry of humanity!”

    I fully agree and would just like to note that ethical norms cannot be thrown away into a wastepaper basket because it is up to us to use them or not – Immanuel Kant proved that ethical norms are a must. He called them a “categorical imperative” or undisputed obligations. The easiest explanation I have found is this:

    “The categorical imperative can be explained by relating it to the act of lying. In deciding whether or not to tell a lie, one must suppose that the act of lying was not only universally acceptable, but universally executed as well. In such a world, people would follow the maxim: “It is permissible to lie”. That situation would lead to widespread mistrust. Eventually, the act of lying would become unnecessary, because people would no longer believe each other; thus eliminating the very reason and need for telling lies.”

    So telling lies eventually brings about a situation when it is no longer necessary or possible to tell lies. A beautiful explanation, isn’t it? And a reason to always tell the truth? Haven’t we almost reached this stage?

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  37. Suzy permalink
    October 15, 2010 3:57 pm

    The other they I came across this blog entry by someone who is not an MJ fan, still when she visited a castle of King Ludwig II of Bavaria she thought of Michael and draw a parallel between him and King Ludwig: http://dailydwelling.com/linderhof-castle-and-king-ludwig-ii

    Interestingly, Michael must have felt something in common with him as well, look what he is wearing here: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15900000/King-of-my-Heart-michael-jackson-15962104-781-1200.jpg

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  38. pez permalink
    October 15, 2010 2:54 pm

    The Gardner Street School may uncover Michael’s name

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=166379040040125

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  39. cherie permalink
    October 15, 2010 2:44 pm

    1. False Bible teachers would be money hungry. They would be smooth talkers, have many followers, and slur the Christian faith (2 Peter 2:1-3) See some at: Fakemessiah.com

    2. Homosexuality would be increasingly evident at the end of the age (2 Timothy 3:3)

    3. Earthquakes would be in diverse places (Matthew 24:7)

    4. Stress would be part of living (2 Timothy 3:1)

    5. Many wars would erupt (Matthew 24:6)

    6. People would forsake the Ten Commandments as a moral code, committing adultery, stealing, lying, and killing (Matthew 24:12)

    7. There would be a cold religious system, in denying God’s power (2 Timothy 3:5)

    8. Men would substitute fantasy in place of Christian truth (2 Timothy 4:4). This is so evident at Christmas when the birth of the Savior is lost behind the myth of Santa Claus.

    9. Deadly diseases would be prevalent (Matthew 24:7). The worldwide increase in AIDS deaths is almost inestimable. Over 160,000 Americans die of cancer each year.

    10. The fact that God once flooded the earth (the Noahic flood) would be denied (2 Peter 3:5-6). There is a mass of fossil evidence to prove this fact, yet it is flatly ignored by the scientific world because of its uncanny implication.

    11. The institution of marriage would be forsaken by many (1 Timothy 4:3)

    12. There would be an increase in famines (Matthew 24:7)

    13. Increase in vegetarianism would increase (1 Timothy 4:3-4)

    14. There would be a cry for peace (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

    15. The possession of Jerusalem would be at the center of international turmoil (Zechariah 12:3)

    16. Knowledge would increase (Daniel 12:4)

    17. There would be hypocrites within the Church (Matthew 13:25-30)

    18. There would be an increase of religious cults/false teachers (Matthew 24:11 & 24)

    19. The future would seem fearful to many (Luke 21:26)

    20. Humanity would become materialistic (2 Timothy 3:4)

    21. There would be many involved in travel (Daniel 12:4)

    22. The Christian Gospel would be preached as a warning to all nations (Matthew 24:14)

    23. Jesus said Christians would be hated “for His name’s sake” (Matthew 24:9)

    24: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (Luke 21:25-26).

    25: Youth would become rebellious. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy (2 Timothy 3:2)

    26: Men would mock the warning signs of the end of the age saying, “for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:4). The Bible even reveals their motivation, they love lust (verse 3). They fail to understand that a day to the Lord is as a thousand years to us. God is not subject to the time that He created. He can flick through time as we flick through the pages of a history book. The reason He seems to be silent, is because He is patiently waiting, not willing that any perish, but that all come to repentance.

    http://www.bibleprobe.com/end-time-signs.htm

    These are all recognizable in our current society.

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  40. Suzy permalink
    October 15, 2010 11:25 am

    Helena!

    Thank you for this post.

    Can Michael’s life be a natural experiment God has staged on all of us to show that it is Michael Jackson’s way of life and thinking which is the best we can offer to our children?

    I have been thinking about it as well, because I don’t think it’s biased to say that Michael was more than “just another popstar”. His life and death touched even people who have never expected to be so saddened by the death of a celebrity. I have this feeling that there was something more to it than just another celebrity dying.

    I feel he was here for us all to learn something from and through his fate. Self-righteous people would probably say the thing we should learn from his fate is how not to live. The dangers of plastic surgery, the pitfalls of celebrity etc. etc. While there may be some point in those as well (and I don’t pretend Michael was perfect), I think those who think this is the only moral of the story, have missed the big lesson altogether.

    The big lesson is what you have just written about. The lesson is really about us more than about Michael. It’s us, the society who cannot tolerate people who are different and feel the need to dehumanize and eliminate them. It’s us, the society who find childlikeness in an adult “weird” and “freaky”. It’s us, the society who project our worst nightmares and fears onto other people. It’s us, the society with a lynch mob mentality if we feel somebody of us is down and wounded. It’s us, the society who like to mock and ridicule people just for the fun of it. It’s us, the society who see the worst in other people and not the best. Michael wasn’t just the “Man in the Mirror”, he was The Mirror! And it’s time to look into that mirror.

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  41. October 15, 2010 9:50 am

    Helena, I really feel your sadness and anger towards things that you enumerated:
    “hunger for being constantly entertained instead of thinking or educating oneself, “I do what I like” principle, the abolition of human conscience and its replacement by cynicism or being street smart, the money-decides-it-all concept, a much greater variety of sex opportunities and an exciting race for who starts sex earlier and in which way”.

    And I join you saying that these are not “progress or a human rights movement” it’s surrendring “to the darker side of human nature as a whole”.

    Let me share here some love to beat the beast:

    MAGICAL CHILD (part 1)
    Dancing The Dream

    Once there was a child and he was free
    Deep inside, he felt the laughter
    The mirth and play of nature’s glee
    Beauty, love was all he’d see

    He knew his power was the power of God
    He was so sure, they considered him odd
    This power of innocence, of compassion, of light
    Threatened the priests and created a fight
    In endless ways they sought to dismantle
    This mysteroius force which they could not handle

    In endless ways they tried to destroy
    His simple trust, his boundless joy
    His invincible armor was a shield of bliss
    Nothing could touch it, no venom, no hiss

    The child remained in a state of grace
    He wasn’t confined in time or place
    In Technicolor dreams, he frolicked and played
    While acting his part, in Eternity he stayed

    Soothsayers came and fortunes were told
    Some were vehement, others were bold
    In denouncing this child, this perplexing creature
    With the rest of the world he shared no feature
    IS he real?He is so strange
    His unpredictable nature knows no range
    He puzzles us so, is he straight?
    What’s his destiny?What’s his fate?

    And while they whispered and conspired
    Through endless rumors to get him tired
    To kill his wonder, trample him near
    Burn his courage, fuel his fear
    The child remained just simpel, sincere

    All he wanted was the mountain high
    Color the clouds, paint the sky
    Beyond these boundaries, he wanted to fly
    In nature’s scheme, never to die

    Don’t stop this child, he’s the father of man
    Don’t cross his way, he’s part of the plan
    I am that child, but so are you
    You’ve just forgotten, just lost the clue

    Inside your heart sits a Seer
    Between his thoughts, he can hear
    A melody simple but wondrously clear
    The music of life, so precious, so dear

    If you could for one moment know
    This spark of creation, this exquisite glow
    You would come and dance with me
    Kindle this fire so we could see
    All the children of the Earth
    Wave their magic and give new birth
    To a world of freedom with no pain
    A world of joy, much more sane

    Deep inside, you know it’s true
    Just find that child, it’s hiding in you.

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  42. Skeptikos permalink
    October 15, 2010 6:22 am

    The hedonistic society we live in and its 48 laws of power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power

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  43. Skeptikos permalink
    October 15, 2010 5:46 am

    I read twice this interesting insight of today’s world “needs”, or in other words – We just want to be “better humans”.
    Today’s hedonistic culture (and its consequences, such as materialism and moral relativism) deeply knows how to manipulate us to be markets “better humans”.
    For the last 5/6 decades markets have spread the idea that – “better humans” mean “beauty, power and happiness” – and because we all share a desire for self-improvement, most of us – the more consumerist ones – do follow marketers and try hard to be happy… being a clone of Celebrity A, B; buying those products that most rich people have; “feeling” sexy/desired and glamorous after working out in the gym; wearing the most fashionable makeup; buying new clothes all the time; or indulging in a spot of cosmetic surgery. All irresistible ways to find happiness… with the help of all-mighty-credit-card.

    In the near future the thoughtful market (always ahead of our needs) will “offer” a new set of technological possibilities to find “Happiness” through the advances in biotechnology, neuroscience, computing and nanotechnology, allowing us to alter the genetic make-up of our future children; to insert artificial implants into our bodies; or to radically extend life expectancy… and yet no one will ever find happiness this way either. These people are the real loners burying their Botoxed heads in the sand…

    Others, the so called weirdos of this hedonistic society want to be “better humans” too, but through education, work, parenthood, or by adhering religious, or traditional concepts of what are considered humane qualities, values and believes (ethical codes), because they know that all activities of life are connected with one another and because we, humans, are not perfect by nature, we have to train ourselves to be “good”, to be better, and children are our only and last hope towards a solution for the general cry of humanity!
    It is not easy to find happiness in ourselves and it is not possible to find it elsewhere … Love is the only thing that can help, as well as trust and respect.

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