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Transcript of “Season 25: Oprah Behind The Scenes”

February 3, 2011

This is the transcript and analysis of “Season 25: Oprah Behind The Scenes”, which aired on Friday, January 28th on Oprah’s OWN network.  This episode showed exclusive behind the scenes access of Oprah’s groundbreaking interview with Katherine Jackson, and MJ’s children.  To see the actual interview, which aired in November, read this post. To read the transcript, read this post.

In order to keep everything clear, I have differentiated when Oprah or her staff sit down and narrate what is going on behind the scenes, and when the behind the scenes footage is actually being shot.

If you have not seen this episode yet, you can watch it below, but unfortunately the quality of the video isn’t very good, but it should be suffice for most people.

Transcript:

Oprah (narrating): The time that I interviewed Michael Jackson in 1993, it was the most exciting interview I had ever done because it was live around the world, and it’s the only time I can recall being so nervous that my knees were literally shaking.  It was a big decision around here whether or not to do Katherine Jackson.  Seeing Michael Jackson through the eyes of his mother Katherine would be of major interest to me, and also my viewers.

Phone conversation between Oprah’s producer and Howard Mann:

Howard Mann (on the phone): Hello?

Erin Sermeus: Howard? It’s your favorite person!

Howard Mann: Who?

Erin Sermeus: Erin Sermeus!

Oprah (narrating): She’s a pit bull with a smile.  She prides herself on being able to book anybody.

Erin Sermeus: This has been such a complicated booking, that I just don’t want any 11th hour, little things we forgot to button up.

Howard Mann: You got it.

Erin Sermeus: OK.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): Trying to book Mrs. Jackson on the show has consumed our lives for months! We want this interview for our final season.

Erin Sermeus: We want to start producing it immediately.

Howard Mann (on the phone): I do to.

Erin Sermeus: Alright Howard.

Howard Mann (on the phone): Alright darling!

Erin Sermeus: Bye.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): I think that’s the biggest interview we can get this year. I really do.

Oprah’s producers talking amongst themselves:

Erin Sermeus:  Ok, let me give you the update.

Cindy Mori (narrating): When we first started pursuing the Jackson interview, we never told Oprah that Michael’s children might be a part of the interview because one of my booking mottos is “Under-promise and over-deliver”.

Andrea Wishom: Hi guys! Do you have a second?  We have great news!

Cindy Mori: I’m going to let Erin do the honors!

Erin Sermeus: Katherine Jackson and the kids are in!

Sheri Salata: You’re kidding! Really?

Cindy Mori: Yes! October 9th, at their house.

Oprah (narrating): My team, they constantly raise the bar for themselves for me and for the show. And they go beyond anything you can ask. Relentless! They don’t give up!

Sheri Salata: Everybody wanted that interview! That is awesome!

Cindy Mori: The kids are gonna sit down……….

Sheri Salata: Prince, Paris, and Blanket are in?

Cindy Mori: Yeah!

Andrea Wishom (narrating): So Erin and Cindy got the booking of the century, really. I can’t, you know……….it’s unbelievable that they were able to pull this off.

Erin Sermeus: So this will be the world exclusive! Don’t start crying! Then I’ll start crying!

Oprah’s pre-show meeting with her producers:

Erin Sermeus: This is team Katherine Jackson.

Andrea Wishom (narrating): We’re going into our pre-show meeting, and we wanted Oprah to be prepared. Sometimes we’re giving her easy facts, and sometimes we’re telling her brutal truths.

Oprah: This is what’s startling to me: I just learned yesterday, walking out of the building. I did not know that we were interviewing Michael Jackson’s children!

Oprah (narrating): I thought it was Mrs. Jackson, Jermaine, Tito, Jackie, those children! When I realized it was “the” children, I knew our viewers would love that!

Oprah: I never think anything’s big but, I think this is big!

Erin Sermeus: This is big!

Oprah: I thought we were talking to Katherine’s kids! I did not know that! That’s really big! That’s the booking people! This is so funny! So last night I’m telling my friend Gayle King on the phone, you know, on our nightly call in, “Let me see if I’m available!”, and she said “Well what time are you doing that? OMG! This is so big!” and I go “Yes! This is really big!”

Andrea Wishom (narrating): I don’t hear Oprah say “This is big! This is big!” very much, but this is big to us, no question, and it’s big to her too, so she’s reacting to the fact that we booked Mrs. Jackson! The fact that we book Michael Jackson’s children, and there is huge pressure for us to make sure that happens, and ironically that is the one area that I would say feels a little uncertain.

Cindy Mori: We don’t know a lot about them. We’ve been trying to find out little nuggets and pieces, and it may not be as much information as you’d like to know

Oprah: Is his name Prince Michael?

Cindy Mori: It’s Prince Michael, but you’ll call him Prince.  There’s Prince Michael the 1st, and the little one is Prince Michael the 2nd, but he goes by Blanket.

Cindy Mori (narrating): Michael Jackson’s kids have never given an interview.  This is a huge moment because we knew the world would be watching us.

Oprah: How much time do I have? Because that will determine, you know………….

Cindy Mori: She wants you to stay for dinner.

Oprah: Is she cooking?

Cindy Mori: She hired a chef.  So the interview’s at 3pm, and we told her to block out 2 hours because, we don’t know?  And if you’d like to stay for dinner, you’re welcome.

Oprah: Pretty fascinating! Is Joe going to be there?

Andrea Wishom: They are not living together, they’re don’t live together.

Cindy Mori: They’re not together.

Oprah: They’re not together, but……..

Andrea Wishom:  He lives in Vegas, right?

Cindy Mori: Yeah.

Oprah: Are they still friendly?

Cindy Mori: It seems like they are.

Andrea Wishom: It seems like he’s still very much in charge, in a way, of the matters of Katherine, and maybe to a lesser degree, the children.  And that wasn’t the way it was before.

Oprah: Before what?

Andrea Wishom: The way it’s been going for months.

Cindy Mori: He sort of knew in the mix in the last couple of days.

Andrea Wishom (narrating): In a situation like this, you don’t really know what’s going to happen until you’re actually there, looking at someone in their eye, and actually in such a high profile booking, and such a sensitive booking.

Andrea Wishom: Now the “interview”, and let’s use that word in quotes, might be lunch at a picnic in the backyard.  It might be a looser conversation…..

Oprah: I know that! It doesn’t matter! I know you’re talking to children………

Cindy Mori: And these are children who have never been interviewed…….

Oprah: I know!

Cindy Mori: Ever!

Oprah: I know!

Andrea Wishom:  And they wore veiled!

Oprah: And were veiled! I know!

Jakki Taylor Richardson: And lost their father just a little over a year ago!

Oprah:  And he was their world!

Jakki Taylor Richardson: He was!

Oprah (narrating): First of all, children are difficult to interview, and you certainly can’t interview children about the death of a parent. And the first thing I thought about, I have to say, was “Michael Jackson! What would Michael Jackson say about his children being interviewed?” And then, the question is how to do it in such a way that you’re not exploiting the children.

Jakki Taylor Richardson: Now seeing and getting into this, I realize at the end of the day that she’s a grieving mother who has lost her child, and that’s the greatest loss a parent could ever have so I’ve forgotten about any charges, court cases, anything that was a bit odd about Michael Jackson.

Oprah: This was her son!

Jakki Taylor Richardson: Yes! It just……..that’s what it did for me.

Cindy Mori: Yeah, you know………we’re just giving you the picture of what it might look like because they haven’t done this.

Oprah: Well, as you know I’m a very malleable host, and you can tell me whatever you need me to do, and I will be………one of the great things about myself! Let me stop myself from saying that! “One of the great things about myself!” (Sarcasm!) I just did the charisma test in Oprah magazine, and it says that one of the characteristics is being able to be flexible and mold yourself around a situation!

Jakki Taylor Richardson: That’s good to know!

Oprah: You can move with the flow!

Cindy Mori: That’ll be great on Saturday!

Jakki Taylor Richardson: And when you see me Saturday go………

Oprah: That means go with the flow! It means it just went that way!

Cindy Mori (narrating): There’s something really difficult that I have to tell Oprah.  There’s something that Mrs. Jackson brought up, and we feel it’s important for Oprah to know, so that everyone is on a level playing field, and there are no secrets, no surprises when we get to their house.

Cindy Mori: One other quick thing: Mrs. Jackson told Erin that her feelings were hurt that they never heard from you after the 1993 interview.

Oprah: But as I have said, and I will tell her, that I feel the same way everybody feels.  I left there thinking “Gee, I’d love to be his friend. I’d love to call him up.”  But you don’t feel like you can now go call him up! You just don’t feel that! He’s Michael Jackson for goodness sakes!  He doesn’t want to talk to me! Because at the end of the interview, he didn’t say “You know what? God, that was so great! Call me sometime!”

Oprah (narrating): I didn’t feel that it was my place to cross that line and call him up and try to befriend him.  It’s a business, people, it’s a business!

Oprah: Every celebrity friend that I have is a celebrity friend because they opened the door to me! I wouldn’t do that to somebody that you interview, because otherwise I’d be calling Hugh Jackman everyday! If I was the kind of person who would go around saying “I just want to be your friend! Can I call you afterwards?” You can’t do that, so I will say that to her.

Cindy Mori: Yeah, so just an acknowledgement of some sort so we can get it out of the way or organically if it comes up I think it would be appreciated.

Oprah Ok. Got it!

Cindy Mori: See you Saturday!

Oprah: Big! This is big! THIS IS BIIIIGGGGG!

Behind the scenes at Hayvenhurst with the production crew:

Erin Sermeus (narrating): So I flew out a couple of days in advance of Andrea and Cindy to give Mrs. Jackson some extra TLC, and we’re going to do our walkthrough with Dave Rivera, who’s the field producer.

David Rivera: If you don’t already know, we’re going to walk into the Jackson compound. This is a very, very sensitive shoot.  Be on your very best professional behavior, so that means no smoking at all, that means cell phone conversations, don’t have them, no photography at all, do not engage anybody on the property, if you need to know something talk to me or Erin, she’s been working like a dog on this for a long time, and she’s almost like an honorary Jackson at this point.    These folks are also really sensitive about being sort of looked at.  Any questions? Thanks guys!

Erin Sermeus: Ok! The circus is coming to town!  Here they come! Get ready! Everyone should drive fast and look like they’re real small.

Erin Sermeus: I had some nerves and butterflies. I mean pulling was the thing, and I was like “Wow! We’re really here! Michael Jackson’s childhood home, where his children live today!” It becomes very real very quick! There are a lot of players in this interview! A lot! A lot, a lot, a lot!  Lowell is Mrs. Jackson’s long time manager. Trent is Mrs. Jackson’s nephew, and he’s sort of I guess her personal aide/ he’s her everything!  We’re doing our walkthrough with Dave, and he has his team of production folks.  I’m telling everyone to be extremely careful, respectful. This interview could go away! Really! One misstep and it could go away!

David Rivera: So this is the plan guys! This is such a beautiful room, so I think we’re going to put them in here.

Trent Jackson: At first this room was the trophy room.  It has all of his gold records, and trophies, and Emmy’s, and Grammy’s, when my aunt came here she wanted to make it a library, so he took it to Neverland.

Erin Sermeus: Where is it now? Is it still there?

Trent Jackson: Yes, it’s in Neverland.

Erin Sermeus: Wow!

David Rivera: So it’s likely that most, if not all of this furniture is going to go out. That is with our department. He’s literally taking a picture of everything so that we know where everything was, so we can put it all back together.

Erin Sermeus: And we’ll delete them, and make sure that………

David Rivera: Yes, they will be in my possession.

Erin Sermeus: I know where he sits!

David Rivera: She knows where I live, so it’s all good!

Trent Jackson: Can you give me five minutes?

Erin Sermeus Oh sure! Do you need me now?

Erin Sermeus (narrating): When any of the people in the Jackson camp pull you aside and say they need something or need you to work something out, I’m there immediately, there’s nothing that’s more important.

Trent Jackson: Me, you, and Lowell need to get together and talk about how we’re going to deal with these kids. We gotta work that out.  Oprah has to be involved.  Whatever’s going to be with the kids, I’m going to have to have Oprah involved.

Erin Sermeus Well, she’s the one that’s doing everything.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): There are so many different people involved in this interview, that there are a million different rumors going around, there’s a million different versions of what we’re going to do, and what we’re not going to do.

Erin Sermeus She’s the only one that’s going to be talking with them. Do you mean on camera or off camera? Anything on camera is just Oprah. Oprah’s doing everything on camera!

Erin Sermeus (narrating): He expressed a lot of concern about how Michael’s children will be incorporated into this interview.  He wants to make sure that Mrs. Jackson felt comfortable; I mean she is their grandmother, she is their protector, she will do anything to make sure that they are handled in the right way.

Trent Jackson: We gotta talk about that, because I’m starting to hear all these different things going around.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): The call I don’t want to make is that Michael’s children will not be participating.

Oprah (narrating): Andrea, she started booking audience, and moving through the producer ranks to now she is Senior Supervising Producer, the only position higher than that is executive producer.

Andrea Wishom (narrating): Erin’s been there for a couple of days, and she really can let Cindy and I know what to do now to make sure that this interview happens.

Erin Sermeus: So this is where we see the sit down conversation happening with Mrs. Jackson and Oprah. Then they’re going to walk this way and go outside…

Andrea Wishom (narrating): I never imagined in a million years that I’d be standing in the Jackson family home, where they all grew up, and where Mrs. Jackson lives, and I couldn’t believe it! In prepping for the shoot, I know that every little detail, and there’s a million of them, has to be looked at, considered, thought through, with a magnifying glass.  The world is watching and paying attention, and I know the pressure is on, and the pressure is on me, and I know that this has to go well, and I’m praying that it does.

Hayvenhurst, on the day of the interview when Oprah arrives:

Andrea Wishom (narrating): So today’s the day of the big interview, and the first thing I want to do is make sure that the plan we discussed yesterday is the same plan that everyone is on today! The worst thing that can happen now is the kids could decide that they don’t want to do it. I have to say that I’m a little worried. So much going on, so many different people around, and I’m responsible for the whole thing.

Andrea Wishom Once I go down to the gate to meet her, you guys have to……..

Jakki Taylor Richardson: Yeah!

Andrea Wishom …..it’s like a set! How are we doing on time?

David Rivera: She comes at 3pm.

Andrea Wishom: There’s going to be 2 cars, you want her in the first car, right?

David Rivera: Yes.

Andrea Wishom: Kenya just jumped in the fountain, and I was afraid that Mrs. Jackson would…..

David Rivera: Who? The dog? The dog always does that.

Andrea Wishom: I’m gonna go wait outside the gate, she’s on her way. Brian, she’s on her way! Hey, there’s paparazzi here!  I just want you to know so you’ll see him across the street.

Andrea Wishom (narrating): I mean, really? Could anything more happen at this point?

Andrea Wishom: Which side of the car is she on? She shouldn’t be on the right side.

Andrea Wishom:  Hi! So just a couple of things first…….it’s like a Michael Jackson convention in there.  There’s a lot of people inside the house. Joe Jackson, Mr. Jackson is here.

Oprah: Did you guys invite Mr. Jackson?

Andrea Wishom: No, Mr. Jackson came here from Vegas.

Oprah: Are they saying they’re not divorced?

Andrea Wishom: That’s what they say.

Gayle King: I still think that’s a fair question.

Oprah: Are you a couple?

Andrea Wishom: Yes.

Oprah: She said no holds barred, and we can talk about anything?

Andrea Wishom: Yeah!

Oprah: Including the sexual abuse charges?

Andrea Wishom: Yeah! She’s going to say he was innocent, for sure! They do want to address her finances, and “How are you doing financially?” is a fair question.

Oprah: After Michael died, Thriller had a whatever percentage, I need to know that number, increase in sales? All of his records! I need to know that

Andrea Wishom: The room that you’re going to be doing the interview in was one of Michael’s favorite rooms, it was where his trophies were held, it is in the library.  I’m going to hand you my set of blue cards when you’re sitting down.  So right now you’re going to greet Mrs. Jackson, then you guys are going to walk inside……….

Oprah: Absolutely everything is on limits? There’s nothing that’s off limits?

Andrea Wishom Yeah, the only thing that has been of conversation is the children, which we’re going to see how that goes.  Anytime that they come over and you’re meeting them, I would take the time to opportunity to talk to them then.

Oprah Alright. Is there where I can get some powdered before I get interviewed?

Oprah (narrating): I believe that there’s almost no situation that I can’t handle, and it is whatever it is, and I can just meld into whatever that moment is. I believe in staying present, staying now, dealing with that, and not worrying about what is to come.

Right before and during the interview with Katherine Jackson

David Rivera (speaking to Katherine): You can take her inside if you like, and then I’m gonna walk in with you, and we’ll go do the next thing, OK?

Oprah (speaking to Katherine): How many bedrooms in this house?

Katherine: Six!

Oprah Six bedrooms?

Andrea Wishom (narrating): Joe Jackson, he’s definitely like, um, a very flirtatious guy!

Joe Jackson: Look at you!

Oprah: Well, thank you!

Joe Jackson: Turn around. Look at you! Let me introduce you to one of my producers in Japan! She’s doing my reality show in Japan!

Oprah: You’re doing a reality show in Japan?

Joe Jackson: Yes!

Andrea Wishom (narrating): There were at least 50 people around Mrs. Jackson’s people, and then there’s Mr. Jackson and his people!  Friends of the family, and their people! Every time I turn around there were more people.  We gotta get going here!

Oprah (narrating): There’s so many different people in the house, and I couldn’t tell who all those people were!  What are they doing here? And what are they trying to show me this now for? I’m just trying to meet Mrs. Jackson. I think my team worries more about how things are going to be, and will I be OK, and will everything be OK, more than I do! Maybe one of the reasons I can do that is because I have such a good team. All my life I’ve been doing interviews, and it’s really just sitting there, talking woman to woman.

Oprah: Today we’re going to focus on Michael. Obviously I know you have other children, and I’m not trying to ignore the other children. So tell me, if you can, what it was like, because the children were brought into this house immediately on the night of his death? That had to be traumatic! Because you’re dealing with your grief, and they’re dealing with their grief, and this whole house was grieving! What gave you the strength to get through that?

Katherine: Well, you know what broke my heart more than anything else in the whole world? When people at the hospital told us “You can leave now” and Paris said “Grandma, where are we going?” It tore my heart up!

Oprah: I’m going to stop taping. Let us change tapes.

Oprah (narrating): Mrs. Jackson was one of the loveliest, dearest people I’ve ever met. In that moment, I could see that she’s like every other mother who has lost her son.  Who’s gone too soon.  That’s what I felt.  That was just raw, pure mother’s love and emotion.  That’s what that was.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): I was so happy to see Mrs. Jackson and Oprah connecting. Mrs. Jackson finally telling the untold story of her son, and his life, and who he was.  There was much more to him than people understood.

Oprah (narrating): We all didn’t know quite what to do with Joe Jackson, because I don’t want to interview Joe Jackson. I’m not there to interview Joe Jackson.  But I’m not sure that Joe Jackson knows I’m not there to interview Joe Jackson.  I could see he wanted to talk, or was feeling “Why are you talking to her and not me?” And I just thought “Let’s just roll with it”.  I don’t know what we’re going to do with it.

Oprah: OK, well I’m really surprised to see you here, Mr. Jackson.  Do you all share a home together, or do you, I mean you share whatever part of this you want to share, but I’m just trying figure it out.

Joe Jackson: It’s not hard. She has a home, and I have a place too.

Oprah: Do you regret that Michael felt fearful of you? Do you regret that?

Oprah (narrating): Nobody wants to say they beat their kids! If you were to ask my grandmother, who beat me, she would say “Well, I gave her a spanking every now and then”, oh no no no! It was not a spanking!

Oprah: Was that the way you raised your children?

Erin Sermeus (narrating): These are not easy, breezy questions! I mean, she is going for it! The kids still have not joined the interview! They still have not sat down! I’m getting nervous that the rest of this interview is going to happen!

Joe Jackson: Beat or whipped?

Katherine Jackson: Same thing!

Oprah: It’s the same thing when you have welts on your back!

Katherine Jackson: You might as well admit it! That’s the way black people raised their children!

Oprah (narrating): Listen, we’ve all heard the stories about Joe Jackson, and most of the stories came from his son, Michael Jackson! And I love how Mrs. Jackson said “Just go on and tell her! Tell her the truth!” And later she whispered to me “You know, when we were coming up, we just didn’t know any better!”

Oprah: I can’t believe it’s been all these years, and I never met you! We never met once! Anywhere, for any occasion!

Katherine Jackson: I’m going to cry. I’m going to try to stop crying! I’m trying to hold it back.

Oprah: I’m so honored that you feel that way.  Because I feel exactly the same way.

Katherine Jackson: I’m so proud of you!

Oprah: Thank you! Thank you!

Katherine Jackson: As a black woman!

Oprah: I’m holding on!

Andrea Wishom (narrating): As a black woman, I thought that was so great of her! Here she is the head of a dynasty, the Jackson family, and for her to say that is really sincere.  It really came from a good place, and I thought that was a really sweet moment.

Joe Jackson: I think it went good.

Andrea Wishom: We made it!

Oprah: Now all the kids are coming!

Erin Sermeus (narrating): Michael’s children are here right now! Oprah, she’s got it! She’s got the wheel, she’s going to make it all happen, as it should!

Oprah: Ok! Introduce yourselves! Hello!

Prince: Prince, nice to meet you!

Paris: Hi, I’m Paris!

Andrea Wishom (narrating): The plan was you’re going to sit down, have some lemonade, and you’re going to talk to the children.  And the cousins were there, too.

Oprah: Jermajesty? So are we supposed to bow in your presence? I feel like you deserve a “Jermejesty!” (bows to him)

Oprah: Hey Blanket! Nice to meet you! So shy!

Oprah: So are you guys going to sit down and talk to me?

Prince: Why not?

Oprah (narrating): I wanted to respect the memory of Michael Jackson, and not do it in such a way that we would exploit in any way his children…………because I don’t want the spirit of Michael coming to visit me from the grave!

Oprah: How many do you have? Grandchildren?

Katherine Jackson: 26!

Oprah: 26! Wow! So you’re all cousins?

Prince: Yeah!

Oprah: So everybody lives here in different parts of the house?

Prince: Yeah!

Oprah: And how’s that working for you?

Randy Jackson, Jr.: Good! It’s been like that our whole lives!

Katherine Jackson: And some were born here.

Randy Jackson Jr.:We’re kind of used to this circus.

Erin Sermeus (narrating): Watching Oprah talk with Michael Jackson’s children, and how well the conversation is going, and the intimate moments that they’re sharing, that are just sweet moments of remembering their dad, it was great!

Oprah: Who’s the funniest?

Paris: Prince!

Oprah: Prince is the funniest?

Paris: Yeah!

Oprah: Who’s the strict disciplinarian?

Prince: Grandpa!

Paris: And Grandma!

Prince: Granma too!

Oprah (narrating): Seeing Michael Jackson, through the eyes of his children, makes him more real, and more accessible than anybody else you could interview, and I sensed that the moment we heard his daughter speak at the funeral. That was a moment that none of us will ever forget.

Paris: He tried to raise us without knowing who he was, but that didn’t really go so well!

Oprah: Is anyone following the whole Jackson family tradition? Anybody in showbusiness?  OK, so nobody wants to be a psychologist, or a doctor, or a lawyer?

Erin Sermeus (narrating): What’s wonderful about this is that the world saw Michael Jackson’s children in a very different way than they did a year and a half ago at his funeral. You see 4 vibrant, thriving children who love their father.

Oprah: The first day of school, tell me what happened when you walked into the classroom?

Prince: They said “Say your name, and what your favorite food is”.

Oprah: And you said?

Prince: Prince Jackson, and my favorite food is cookies, or something like that!

Oprah: So Blanket, are you still homeschooled?

Blanket: Yes.

Katherine Jackson: He’s shy. Speak up!

Oprah: I hear that you’re a dancer in the group, are you the best dancer?

Blanket: No.

Oprah: No? Ok. I would have to say that you would be one of my toughest interviews, Blanket!  That’s tough! Well, thanks for talking to me!

Later that night, after everyone was finished eating dinner:

Andrea Wishom: Hey, that’s Mr. Jackson! Come here! How did you think it went?

Joe Jackson: Fantastic!

Andrea Wishom: We think so too! We were just talking about how we felt Michael would be proud, and his children are doing well, and people are going to see that they’re happy, they have great lives…..

Joe Jackson: One thing about the fans all over the world are going to be proud,

Andrea Wishom :Yes!

Joe Jackson: That’s why I cater to the fans!

Erin Sermeus (narrating): Mrs. Jackson, she’s such a sweet woman, she had this chef come in, and this wonderful dinner for Oprah and Gayle!  It meant a lot to her that Oprah stayed, and shared a meal with the family.

Andrea Wishom (narrating): All these people around, pulling Oprah every which way, taking pictures of her, asking her for things, it was getting really crazy, and I was like “We gotta get Oprah out of here!”

Oprah: I’ve got to say goodbye to Mrs. Jackson, and I’m taking my cake.

Oprah (narrating): I felt a real connection to her, really. I felt a real special connection to her.  Just the most normal, sweetest person I’ve ever met, I gotta tell you.  That was the interview that I felt from her.

Oprah: I’d like to call you, and just sit down without the cameras.

Katherine Jackson: I would love that!

Oprah: I will do it! I will absolutely do it!

Katherine Jackson: I really enjoyed it!

Oprah (narrating): Now I can see why Michael loved her so much! The humanity and sweetness of her heart has remained exactly the same.  It’s like she just moved from Gary yesterday. What I loved about that interview is that there was no pretense whatsoever, and no showmanship.

Analysis

1. “It was a big decision around here whether or not to do Katherine Jackson.  Seeing Michael Jackson through the eyes of his mother Katherine would be of major interest to me, and also my viewers.” Well, that quote pretty much sums up the interview purpose of the interview!  Ratings, ratings, and more ratings!  Over the course of the show, you will hear Oprah and her staff gleefully celebrate how they got “the booking of the century”, as if Katherine and MJ’s kids are commodities instead of human beings!  At least this should put to rest the speculation that Katherine used the kids as bait to get Oprah to interview her so she could plug her book!

2. “Trying to book Mrs. Jackson on the show has consumed our lives for months! We want this interview for our final season.” This quote shows the tenacity that Oprah and her crew pursued the interview. Notice the strong language that they used: “consumed our lives for months!” That means that the decision to pursue the Jackson family wasn’t a knee-jerk decision that took several days or weeks, but it was premeditated and several months in the making!

Just to reiterate how “time consuming” it was to book the Jacksons, here is a quote from Oprah and her producers from her show on December 29th, 2010:

Oprah: I’m here with my HARPO team talking about something we’ve never done before, allowing cameras to document our farewell season. It’s called “Season 25”. There’s a whole department that does nothing but just make calls and try to get people to say yes. The booking department has been in overdrive this season, and we’ve had a lot of exclusive interviews: Michael Jackson’s mother and children, Ricky Martin coming out, Marie Osmond. Andrea, Cindy, and Erin lead that team, and that is so hard!
So, what’s the hardest part?

Andrea: Well, I will start by saying it’s an honor to book for you! And I wouldn’t say the “hardest” part, I would say what might be the most surprising is that everyone doesn’t “yes”! What people always think is it’s easy to book for the Oprah show, because it’s the Oprah show, but sometimes people who you might think would say yes, end up saying “no”.

Oprah: And my rule is I never want anyone to be here unless they really want to be here. So by the time they say yes, it’s a full yes. But the Jacksons were hard, and particularly hard to get the Jacksons to agree to let the children talk………

Andrea: It was a process!!

Oprah: That’s what we use when we say “It was a proooooooooccccccceeeeeeesssssssss!!

Erin: There are some things you can never do again, and that was a one time event!

3. “And the first thing I thought about, I have to say, was “Michael Jackson! What would Michael Jackson say about his children being interviewed?” And then, the question is how to do it in such a way that you’re not exploiting the children.” In this quote, Oprah makes it seem as if she gives a damn about MJ’s opinion, when in reality she couldn’t care less!  If she did, she would not have interviewed his kids under any circumstances!  She claims that she wanted to interview them in a way that wasn’t exploitative, but the interview is exploitation in and of itself!  Both Janet and Randy Jackson agree with me on this!

4. “Mrs. Jackson told Erin that her feelings were hurt that they never heard from you after the 1993 interview.” Obviously, Katherine and MJ were upset that Oprah didn’t reach out to them after the 1993 scandal, but because there was no money that could be made in defending MJ, Oprah tuned her back on him, and gave a pretty pathetic explanation by trying to pin it on MJ because he didn’t reach out to her first.  The fact is, she’d rather invite a convicted rapist (boxer Mike Tyson) and a real child molester  (Gerald Imes, brother of comedienne Monique) on her show than MJ! For a list of the many snide and slanderous comments that Oprah has said about MJ over the years, read this post, and this post. For more on Oprah’s hypocrisy regarding her acceptance of violent criminals, read this post.

Oh, and to add insult to injury, in honor of National Poetry Month Oprah will let Mike Tyson publish his poetry in the April issue of “O” magazine!  Hey Oprah, why don’t you publish some of MJ’s poems from “Dancing The Dream?”

Here’s something else to consider: in 2007, actor Alec Baldwin left a horrific voicemail to his then 12 year old daughter, in which he called her a “rude little pig” for missing his phone call, among other things.  There was some uproar about this, but it quickly subsided. And no, Gloria Allred didn’t hold a press conference calling for Baldwin to not have any contact with his daughter, either! This is clearly a case of child abuse, yet this didn’t stop Oprah from booking him on her show last year!  Here is the audio of his voicemail, and next time you hear someone call MJ a bad father, play them this video and ask them how they feel about it!

If you guys can stomach it, here is Baldwin on The View, trying to explain and rationalize his actions.  Part 1 and Part 2.

5. “She said no holds barred, and we can talk about anything? Including the sexual abuse charges?” Yes Oprah, you can ask about the sexual abuse charges for the 100th time already!  How long are you going to beat a dead horse? What do you think Katherine is afraid of? Bring it on! Just as your producer said, she will say he was innocent for sure!

And guys, watch the video and look at the disgusted look on her face when she asks this question!

6. “We all didn’t know quite what to do with Joe Jackson, because I don’t want to interview Joe Jackson. I’m not there to interview Joe Jackson.  But I’m not sure that Joe Jackson knows I’m not there to interview Joe Jackson. Hey Oprah, why don’t you want to interview Joe Jackson? He grieves for MJ the same way that Katherine does! (Although he may not express it in the same way.)  Don’t you think Joe’s voice deserves to be heard like Katherine’s and the kids? Oh, that’s right!  Joe Jackson won’t bring in phenomenal ratings! He’s not the “interview of the century”!  So of course you don’t want to interview him!

And don’t try to say that it’s because Joe Jackson abused his children, because whatever he did to them couldn’t possibly be worse than what Gerald Imes did to his sister Monique, or what Mike Tyson allegedly (and possibly!) did to his rape victim!

7. “I wanted to respect the memory of Michael Jackson, and not do it in such a way that we would exploit in any way his children…………because I don’t want the spirit of Michael coming to visit me from the grave!” Oprah, you don’t know how stupid you sound when you say this! Why would MJ’s spirit visit you from the grave, of all people! He’s too busy watching over his kids! He doesn’t have time for you!

8. “I’d like to call you, and just sit down without the cameras.” Well, this is a complete contradiction to what she said earlier about not calling the people that she interviews because “this is a business”.  This shows that, for whatever reason, Oprah wants to reach out to Katherine, and perhaps something good can come out of this.  If and when they meet without any cameras, maybe Katherine can be the one to thoroughly discuss the charges with Oprah, and let her know why the Jackson family and the MJ fan community is so disappointed with her.  Our perhaps Oprah is trying to ingratiate herself into the Jackson family so she can get on their good side, and position herself for an exclusive interview with the kids when they grow up! Who knows what her true motives are for wanting to speak with Katherine?

Let’s cross our fingers and hope for the best! In the meantime, let’s all hope that Oprah has behind the scenes footage of her interview with Teddy Riley and the Cascio family!

35 Comments leave one →
  1. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 14, 2012 3:17 am

    I Hadn’t read this article before and i’m shocked that Katherine had dinner prepared for Oprah and Gayle after the things they have both said about Mike with the same mouths they were munching on food with.

    What happened to family loyalty?

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  2. Alison permalink
    July 25, 2011 1:46 pm

    @ Gigi,
    Thanks for clarifying and I’m glad to hear the reporting works.
    those people are very sick individuals, they claim to be against child ab… and so they ab..e and harrass children to make this known.
    (BTW you said you weren’t going to repeat it – just to clarify, I wasn’t asking you to repeat it and i certainly wouldn’t want that, it would be completely innapropriate and i am not a voyeur of that sort of thing. it would be unnecessary anyway, i have seen what type of things haters say and i cannot even repeat them to myself.)

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  3. July 25, 2011 8:56 am

    @Alison

    This was on twitter and the day in particular happened on Father’s day. The people I follow on twitter reported that person, who came at her twice for abuse and harassment. With all the reporting the person finally deleted their account again themselves. I won’t repeat what was said to her, but Helena knows cause I sent her an email about it when it happened. Whenever a hater pops up we’re all quick to block and file a abuse/harassment claim to twitter. Its the least we can do on the social network side of things. Also, one of the reasons why I feel she may not know all that her dad went through, is cause she follows Enmeim (sp ?) on twitter. A couple weeks ago a friend told me that someone tweeted her that video that disrespects her dad. I can’t remember the name of the video, but MJ told Geraldo he would hate it if his kids saw it.

    This isn’t an estate situation, its for the family to help monitor just like any other kid on social networks that need to be monitored. The other family on twitter don’t follower her account, except for 2 cousins. Not all the family follow every family member on twitter as it is. Someone told me that Mrs. K and/or her assistant has an account, nothing really on it except for happy birthday tweets to her kids/grand kids.

    The bullying/hate towards her is on a larger scale, cause of the large scale bullying/hate that her dad had to live through…smh

    Her bro has an account too, but he hasn’t tweeted since March. I’m thinking he probably got tired of the whole twitter thing and is leaving it alone, which I’m happy with tbh. He could have setup another account no one knows about, which I would be happy also. At least the little one doesn’t have a computer, lol. I will say this P is a tough young girl and MJ was right she will stick up for herself.

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  4. Alison permalink
    July 25, 2011 6:25 am

    @ Gigi,

    “those kids need supervision & protection on these social networks. When I came across her page weeks back folks had already called this child out her name and haters had already asked & said vile things to this child re: her dad. When everyone else & myself was watching this child bless heart try to talk to those haters…sigh Tbh I don’t think this little girl has a real understanding of the evil that came against her dad. She may start to know a little about it now ”
    – O M G ! UNbelievable!

    i’m not on facebook so i don’t know the rules, but wouldn’t people doing that be a violation of them? isn’t it something facebook can take action on? quite apart from the special circumstances of them being MJ’s children, – which deserves, imo, special rules (because of what he had to endure with the constant allegations in particular but also all the rest of it and because its well known there are a lot of haters out there who will spew without considering that these are minor children), – this is bullying and harrassment and as such is surely not allowed? Why isn’t the Estate doing something about it i wonder.

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  5. July 25, 2011 12:36 am

    @Julie & Teva

    I agree with both of you. Its not our place to say who should finish raising MJ’s kids. MJ wanted his mother to look after his kids that’s who he loved and trusted. I do agree with you Teva those kids need supervision & protection on these social networks. When I came across her page weeks back folks had already called this child out her name and haters had already asked & said vile things to this child re: her dad. When everyone else & myself was watching this child bless heart try to talk to those haters…sigh Tbh I don’t think this little girl has a real understanding of the evil that came against her dad. She may start to know a little about it now that she watches yt as well, and whenever she types in her family name some of those vile videos will pop up. Oh, and tmz has already headlined one of her tweets and she couldn’t believe it. Whenever someone shows her a picture or a video she always asks “how did you get that” or “idk how you got that” Many of us try the best we can to help from afar, has far as the social networks. She really didn’t know you could block and make your page private. With all these photos/videos leaking of her quite of few people & myself told her she might want to look at who has access to her. Someone she either knows personally or met via online are leaking her photos/videos.

    Btw, MJ would be pissed that P was listening to a song like that. Whoever was driving them had to have been a bodyguard, cause I don’t see TJ allowing his son & niece listening to a song like that.

    So yes, we need to keep them in prayer.

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  6. July 24, 2011 12:17 pm

    “I, for one, am very appalled that there is a site dedicated to asking Debbie Rowe to seek custody of the kids. First of all, that is going against Michael’s wishes and not a one of us is a better judge as to who should parent his children than Michael himself. Who is Musikfactory to determine that Debbie would be a better parent to those children when they were not even raised by her.”

    Julie, I fully agree with you too!

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  7. Teva permalink
    July 24, 2011 6:04 am

    Personally I believe Paris should have some semblance of a normal life, and be allowed to go on twitter like most kids her age, but she is not most kids her age. She is the daughter of Michael Jackson and because of that she will live in a fish bowl. If I were raising her I would insist that she only go under a pseudo name and have the account lock. As of today on twitter she has 11,838 followers and it goes up by 100 everyday. Paris Jackson cannot possibly know all those people, they are Michael’s fans she has inherited who are following her, and she seems quite enamoured that she has so many.

    I think Paris and the Jacksons’ children (Jafar, Jermagesty etc) need greater supervision. The viedo of her, and her little cousin in the SUV singing Chris Brown’s “Look at me Now” was not cute here is a sample of the lyrics.

    Chorus
    Look at me now, look at me now
    Oh, I’m getting paper
    Look at me now
    Oh, look at me now
    Yeah, fresh than a muthaf-cker

    [Chris Brown]
    Lil n-gga bigger than gorilla
    Cause I’m killing every n-gga that
    Try to be on my sh-t
    Better cuff your chick if you with her
    I can get her
    And she accidentally slip fall on my dick
    Ooops, I said on my dick
    I aint really mean to say on my dick
    But since we talking about my dick
    All of you haters say hi to it
    I’m Done

    They are Michael’s fans on twitter asking her about fake songs and why she isn’t doing anything about it. How is that normal?

    I think all teenagers should be have a cell phone for calls or texting. No need for internet access on a mobile for teenagers. Also the Jacksons’ children internet access should be behind an industry standard firewall where they have restricted access to certain sites, and their privacy is protected from the outside world.

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  8. Chris permalink
    July 24, 2011 4:01 am

    @ Julie

    Completely agree. Anyone who thinks they have the right to tell Paris Jackson that she is not aloud to go on twitter or facebook should take a long look at themselves in the mirror.

    If she wants to speak with her friends on twitter like the rest of the world why shouldn’t she? Michael went on fan forums for a start.
    She knows what the risks are as we all do and if that is what her choice is then that is her choice.
    You me or anyone else has no right to say otherwise to her or anyone else for that matter.

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  9. Julie permalink
    July 24, 2011 3:43 am

    I, for one, am very appalled that there is a site dedicated to asking Debbie Rowe to seek custody of the kids. First of all, that is going against Michael’s wishes and not a one of us is a better judge as to who should parent his children than Michael himself. They are kids and they are going to do things that other kids do. It is not for any one of us to agree or disagree with how they are being parented. That makes anyone who judges no better than Gloria Allred or Cher for that matter who stated several years ago that if it were up to her, Michael wouldn’t have those children because she felt he was abusing them by shuffeling them back and forth to the American Bandstand 50th anniversary rehearsals with their faces covered, etc. Who is Cher or Gloria Allred to decide what is best for those children. Likewise, who is Musikfactory to determine that Debbie would be a better parent to those children when they were not even raised by her. She obviously didn’t want the job previously so why on earth would she want it now and how can anyone be a judge that she would do a good job? I could maybe understand if a plea was made to Diana Ross since Michael did actually name her as a backup guardian for his children. I have to say that I am glad that Paris spoke at her father’s memorial. The reason being is that suddenly the stupid and ridiculous media began saying that Michael was a good father. It’s sad that it took that for people to get the picture. I do get so tired of hearing, “they are such normal kids.” As if they would be anything other than normal kids just because they were Michael’s kids. All anyone can do is pray for them. Losing the only parent they have ever known is so difficult. I think especially for Paris because she was such a daddy’s girl. All fans should be extremely respectful because they are his children and all of this can be seen by them on the internet. We should pray for them that they will be all as protected as they possibly can be and pray for Katherine. It has to be very hard for her at her age to take that on — but she did because she loved Michael and those kids. People can speculate until the cows come home about motives, but at the end of the day Michael wanted his mother to have his children in the event of his death and that’s really the only family those kids know and didn’t really know them all that well since Michael moved around and traveled a lot.

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  10. lcpledwards permalink
    July 24, 2011 12:15 am

    Did you guys see this? Someone apparently “hacked” into Paris’ facebook account and leaked many personal photos of her!! I knew she had a Twitter, but didn’t know she had a FB. Either way, why she is allowed to have be on social media and tweet photos and videos of herself, I don’t know, but anyway, here are the photos:

    http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/49950/michael_jacksons_daughter_paris_has_her_facebook_page_hacked___and_all_her_personal_pictures_are_leaked_pics_inside.html

    I’m not in any way, shape, or form condoning the paparazzi stalking the kids (and almost getting involved in a crash a few weeks ago similar to what happened to Princess Diana), but when the kids (primarily Paris) tweet all of these photos and videos of themselves, it INVITES the media attention that the family claims they so desperately want to avoid.

    This is one of the reasons why MuzikfactoryTwo thinks that Debbie Rowe should seek full custody of the kids: http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/2011/07/dear-debbie-rowe.html

    http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-it-proper-for-katherine-jackson-to.html

    http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/2011/07/3-best-suitable-women-to-raise-michael.html

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  11. Cookie permalink
    June 7, 2011 6:05 pm

    Aw, the Youtube videos have been pulled. Thanks for transcribing this.

    I stopped watching her after this episode because I finally saw her for who she really is – an opportunist who uses other people to promote herself. I don’t know what she has to be proud of at all. She’s not a self-made billionaire, she made her billions off the back of others.

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  12. Teva permalink
    March 20, 2011 4:06 pm

    Here is a little gem that came out of the Oprah interview. It seems Michael got his greatest desire in life.

    “… My biggest dream is one day for Prince and Paris to say to somebody, “He was the best dad.” I would just start crying, just weeping, that’s my reward. That’s all I want is to say “He was the best dad.” We’d go there, we would do this. You know? That’s all I want back.” – Michael Jackson

    Those are are words of Michael Jackson as relate verbatim by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach in his book Honoring the Child Spirit, page 100.

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  13. TatumMarie permalink
    February 22, 2011 8:25 am

    Oprah really slithered her way out of answering Katherine’s real concerns. It wasnt that Katherine wanted Oprah to be Michael’s friend, she wanted to know why Oprah wasnt trying to let them have an interview after 93.

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  14. February 8, 2011 9:43 am

    “she interviewed some of oprah`s family members who says that they never believed the abuse she claims happenned that she was just milking that story so that ordinary people could relate with her better like she is one of us and she has been running with the abuse stories ever since.”

    Okunuga, looks like it, by the way. In the same interview Oprah mentioned somewhat in passing that she was promiscuous as a young girl and her story about early molestation could be just a cover up for her habits. I agree that she does sound too sure of herself for a victim – they don’t talk like that about the worst experience in their lives.

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  15. okunuga permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:13 am

    I read early last year an article/interview about an un-authourised biography written by a lady i`ve forgotten her name now,in which she interviewed some of oprah`s family members who says that they never believed the abuse she claims happenned that she was just milking that story so that ordinary people could relate with her better like she is one of us and she has been running with the abuse stories ever since.

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  16. February 8, 2011 2:43 am

    “I’ve never heard Oprah say she was abused by her father. I’ve always heard Oprah say she was abused by her male cousin. I remember watching a show she did a long time ago when she went back to her home town. She visited her dad who still worked at the same barbershop when she was little. She looked really happy all smiles and hugged him.”

    Gigi, you are right. I mistook her uncle for her father. Here is the story:

    Oprah Gail Winfrey was born on January 29, 1954, in Kosciusko, Mississippi, to Vernita and Vernon Winfrey. She was born out of wedlock, black and poor. Vernita was 20 years old and worked as a maid. Vernon was enlisted in the armed forces.

    The first six years of Oprah’s life was spent on a farm in Kosciusko, where she lived with her grandmother.
    At age six, Oprah was sent to live with her mother in Milwakee. Here she suffered a life of abuse. When she was 9, Oprah was raped by a male cousin. A male friend of Vernita’s and Oprah’s uncle both sexually molested Oprah when she was young.

    She kept the abuse as secret, but experienced anger and pain. She began to rebel. By the time she was 13, she had begun to run away and get into trouble. Vernita decided to send her to a juvenile detention center. Luckily, the home had no available beds. Vernita sent her to Nashville to live with her strict, disciplinarian father, Vernon. “As strict as he was,” Oprah says, “he had some concerns about me making the best of my life, and would not accept anything less than what he thought was my best.”

    Vernon set down the rules. He gave Oprah a curfew, demanded she make good grades and encouraged her to be the best that she could be. He insisted she read one book a week and submit a book report to him. He encouraged her to turn her life around”.http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/biographies/100446

    Her father said then:

    “My father … said to me as I’m standing in the kitchen listening to him, ‘These are the rules of the house, you’re going to obey the rules, you have a 10 o’clock curfew, and I would rather see a daughter of mine floating down the Cumberland River … than to bring shame on this family and the indecency of an illegitimate child.’ ”

    She said she didn’t come close to killing herself – “I did stupid things like drinking detergent and all that kind of crazy stuff that you do when you’re trying to get attention when you’re really just trying to cry for help,” she said.

    Full story:
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/17/winfrey-losing-baby-as-a-teen-was-my-second-chance/

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  17. Dialdancer permalink
    February 8, 2011 2:19 am

    “Oprah is trying to ingratiate herself into the Jackson family so she can get on their good side, and position herself for an exclusive interview with the kids when they grow up!”

    If this is the case she should be careful what she wish for. Blanket appears to have Michael’s sweet nature, but I have a feeling Oprah would not enjoy an off camera one on one with an adult Paris Jackson.

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  18. February 7, 2011 10:38 pm

    I’ve never heard Oprah say she was abused by her father. I’ve always heard Oprah say she was abused by her male cousin. I remember watching a show she did a long time ago when she went back to her home town. She visited her dad who still worked at the same barbershop when she was little. She looked really happy all smiles and hugged him.

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  19. February 7, 2011 8:45 pm

    “She is hypocrite,deceptive,distasteful and for sure repulsive woman, she hide true self centered issues behind her so called intelligence and she makes me sick when she cried because I really can see through her,those Crocodile tears never fooled me at all. The fact that she interviewed a real child molester (Gerald Imes, brother of comedienne Monique) makes me despise her more than ever,she should be ashamed of her self…”

    Sara, hello, it is the first time we are talking here and I would like to say a couple of words about Oprah. From what I hear about her background makes me top careful in judging this woman.

    I hear she was molested by her own father [correction: uncle and cousin] – and for many years too – became pregnant (for which he had the audacity to shame her) – had a miscarriage – was beaten by him and kept at home in terror. This alone makes her stand apart from all others who are equally nasty to MJ but have not had a childhood like that.

    Her “point” about molestation is understandable and when she repeatedly asks questions about it, there is certainly a personal element to it – she probably can’t asking it as she is a victim herself. Her life was ruined by that awful childhood experience and when we deal with people like that we cannot judge them by the same standards like DD, for example.

    If there is a chance we should talk to people like her – only I don’t know whether Oprah is accessible or reachable for talk.

    Recently I learned that her trauma was so big that Oprah turned into a cocaine drug addict for several decades. Probably you knew that but this information took me quite by surprise. I found a serious article from a National Detox program site which mentioned Oprah Winfrey as someone who more or less beat the habit:

    “In the controversial Oprah-Winfrey-was-a-drug-addict tale, there are two known sides. On one hand, there’s the unforgettable TV moment in the 90s when she tearfully told in her own talk show that she had smoked crack cocaine while in her 20s, but never said anything about dependence on the drug or anything else. On the other hand, there’s the more latest allegation made in a tell-all book by a previous boyfriend that Oprah was actually a regular cocaine user in the 80s, and was in fact under the influence during her show tapings.

    Whatever the truth is, it is clear that Oprah has now overcome whatever her drug demons of the 70s and 80s were… She is quite the success story, sordid drug past or not.” http://www.nationaldetox.com/44/cocaine-hydrochloride/

    So whichever way you look at Oprah she is quite a controversial character – a victim on the one side, a long-time drug-addict on the other, and honest about both issues on the third side too.

    But what it interesting about it is that tabloids seem to be very careful on this issue – I haven’t heard any of them pick up her drug-addiction story and turn it into a harassment nightmare similar to the one Michael had to go through due to his demerol or that damned propofol he had to take with the only reason to make him sleep.

    In any case if haters become too rabid about MJ’s propofol we can always remind them of Oprah and ask them why they are so harsh on MJ and his anesthetic taken for sleep only but are so soft-hearted about Oprah’s long-time drug-addiction to cocaine.

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  20. lcpledwards permalink
    February 6, 2011 8:47 am

    I wanted to address something here regarding MuzikfactoryTwo, the person who slandered Charles Thomson on her blog last year, and recently reposted those entries. She wrote a XLTweet about Randy Jackson and the rest of the Jackson family, accusing them of exploiting MJ and making AEG the scapegoat for his death. Just to show how poorly researched her tweet is, I wanted to fact check this quote from her tweet: http://xltweet.com/show/?id=54505C585D

    Katherine Jackson IS supported by the Estate, Jackson siblings are NOT. Since her son’s death, every single apperance made by Katherine has been about, bluntly put, selling the death of her son! She even sold out her grandchildren to do so! When Oprah contacted Jackie Jackson for a show about “teen crushes”, Oprah invited Jackie because she had a secret crush on Jackie. The show wasn’t even about Michael. When Katherine hears this, she offers Oprah an interview to promote her “book”. OPRAH REFUSES TWICE! Only then Katherine offers Oprah an exclusive interview with Michael’s children! As all things about Katherine, we whitewashed her and assiged the blame on Oprah instead!

    1. First of all, Oprah did NOT “invite” Jackie Jackson to her show! Her producers SURPRISED Oprah with a dinner date with Jackie! That particular episode was about Oprah inviting former teen heartthrobs The Backstreet Boys, Shaun Cassidy, and Peter Frampton to discuss what it was like to be in the spotlight. Read the following links for more info: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20439067,00.html http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Teen-Heartthrob-Surprises

    2. Then she has the audacity to say that Katherine initiated the interview with Oprah to sell her book, and Oprah refused twice, so she offered the kids as bait to lure in Oprah? Did she even bother to watch Oprah’s behind the scenes? I can’t even count the number of times Oprah and her staff gushed about how happy they were to land “the interview of the century”, or how nervous they were about the possibility of losing the interview after it was scheduled!! Watch the video and read the transcript! Here is a quote from the producer that sticks out, and totally refutes what MuzikfactoryTwo said: “Trying to book Mrs. Jackson on the show has consumed our lives for months! We want this interview for our final season.” Is that statement consistent with Katherine “begging” Oprah for an interview? If it was Katherine’s idea, would it have “consumed their lives” for months, as they openly stated? I don’t think so!

    3. Also, here is what Oprah said a few weeks ago regarding getting Katherine to agree to let the kids be interviewed!

    Oprah: I’m here with my HARPO team talking about something we’ve never done before, allowing cameras to document our farewell season. It’s called “Season 25”. There’s a whole department that does nothing but just make calls and try to get people to say yes. The booking department has been in overdrive this season, and we’ve had a lot of exclusive interviews: Michael Jackson’s mother and children, Ricky Martin coming out, Marie Osmond. Andrea, Cindy, and Erin lead that team, and that is so hard!
    So, what’s the hardest part?

    Andrea: Well, I will start by saying it’s an honor to book for you! And I wouldn’t say the “hardest” part, I would say what might be the most surprising is that everyone doesn’t “yes”! What people always think is it’s easy to book for the Oprah show, because it’s the Oprah show, but sometimes people who you might think would say yes, end up saying “no”.

    Oprah: And my rule is I never want anyone to be here unless they really want to be here. So by the time they say yes, it’s a full yes. But the Jacksons were hard, and particularly hard to get the Jacksons to agree to let the children talk………

    Andrea: It was a process!!

    Oprah: That’s what we use when we say “It was a proooooooooccccccceeeeeeesssssssss!!”

    Erin: There are some things you can never do again, and that was a one time event!

    MuzikfactoryTwo needs to properly do her research and get her facts straight before slandering the Jackson family! But what do you expect? This is the same person who wants the entire fan community to turn on Charles Thomson because of his personal opinions from years ago (which he is perfectly entitled to)!!

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  21. Anna permalink
    February 4, 2011 1:12 pm

    @lcpledwards

    Nice job transcribing this! I totally agree with you analysis at the end!

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  22. February 4, 2011 2:28 am

    Let’s cross our fingers and hope for the best! In the meantime, let’s all hope that Oprah has behind the scenes footage of her interview with Lisa Marie Presley!

    .

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  23. February 4, 2011 2:15 am

    To Chris my friend,its a mistake to say race has to do with it,but sometimes its true .
    “You assert that all “white’s” get away with everything.
    DON’T BECOME WHAT YOU HATE!”
    I’m in no way saying white’s get away with everything,but they didnt get the cruel innuendos,the media bashing as black’s get, look at Janet’s situation after the super bowl incident,everything were put on her shoulders,while Justin Timberlake walks away empty handed from any blame,its really frustrating,the media didnt treat them as equal,no they blame Janet for it,even when the rehearsal video aired the attacks continued.

    The list goes on.
    how I can hate myself!!, I’m white.

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  24. Chris permalink
    February 4, 2011 12:42 am

    1)I’m glad David did the article because it saves me having to watch this crap. I just read the quotes/analysis and surprise suprise what Oprah’s intentions were.

    2) As a friendly warning to Sara William.
    If Helena was here I don’t think she would appreciate this quote.
    “give me a break!!! ohh I forgot he is white right!!”

    It may well have something to do with race as sum things with MJ were but generalising like that is bad.
    You assert that all “white’s” get away with everything.
    DON’T BECOME WHAT YOU HATE!

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  25. February 3, 2011 11:38 pm

    Oprah is a complete fraud and only her audience can’t see it. She is a coward moving along the hype. She is fooling people to preserve her ratings and she is a great example of subculture.

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  26. lcpledwards permalink
    February 3, 2011 10:51 pm

    @ Sara William
    Thanks for that info! That was an excellent observation! I completely forgot about Alec Baldwin! In fact, I just updated the analysis to include him as an example of Oprah’s hypocrisy for inviting a child abuser on to her show? I guess she thinks that mental abuse is perfectly ok!

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  27. February 3, 2011 10:15 pm

    First of all I didnt care what Harpo the sly thinks or even say,if someone told me that she did those interviews due to her misunderstanding of Michael Jackson or his family then they are living in their own Neverland!!
    She is hypocrite,deceptive,distasteful and for sure repulsive woman, she hide true self centered issues behind her so called intelligence and she makes me sick when she cried because I really can see through her,those Crocodile tears never fooled me at all.
    I remember once she had Well Smith on her show and ofcourse she brings Michael’s name, however I cant really recall what Smith Said about kids in bed or thats a big NO NO and said something about pajamas incident he said” maybe he thought there is gonna be a sleepover arrangement or something” all hell broke loose… Oprah opend her huge disgusting mouth as if she is giant hippopotamus which she does look a like,she was laughing her ass off about that comment Smith made about Jackson,I lost my respect to Smith long time ago.
    The fact that she interviewed a real child molester (Gerald Imes, brother of comedienne Monique) makes me despise her more than ever,she should be ashamed of her self,a black woman kicking down a black man while he was under attack by a racist,malicious, wicked prosecutor ,she should looked behind her harpo stage,at least Jessy Jackson saw that and helped Michael through that hard time,she interviews John Travolta instead of Jessy Jackson ,she befriended Alec Baldwin , she giggled,laughed and hugged him like he is her best friend forgetting that he abused his daughter verbally”mayeb even physically” as the whole world watched his barbaric speech to his daughter “” you rude, thoughtless little pig” everyone stood beside him Justifying the horror phone call as”moment of anger” ,give me a break!!! ohh I forgot he is white right!!
    Hollywood is a carzy world full of Hypocrites,vile,shoddy and double-faced people with insincere smiles,Michael didnt like this suffocating atmosphere and thats why the media started on him calling him names and causing scandals over the poor man,Mike was NOT one of those stuck up creatures in CrazyWood and thats why I love the king of Pop Michael Jackson.

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  28. Denise permalink
    February 3, 2011 7:11 pm

    @Icpledawards

    Don’t pay “Keep it real” No attention.

    We watched the interview to understand it’s contents. And what I understand from watching that fake interview, is that Oprah is a fake B***. I’m sorry, but she is so fake, that you can almost see it peel off her bones. She didn’t give a damn about Michael or his kids. And that excuse about Michael not wanting to be her friend…..Yeah, It’s pretty weak.

    Anyway, I love the blog. Please keep it up. Which I probably don’t have to say, the up-keeping is pretty remarkable.

    Thank you for posting.

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  29. nan permalink
    February 3, 2011 6:57 pm

    sorry , i cant stand oprah . i think she is a ratings whore..i have seen her interview a grieving child, who had lost their parent before., so i dont know what she is talking about how she wouldnt interview children about a parents loss.
    that child, just didnt have a large fan base watching every move she made, so she didnt really care..jmo..
    her excuse for treating mj the way she did is once accusations like that are made, she will always have doubts.
    well werent accusations made against her school .? is it tainted forever? i believe she may have had to settle with the headmistress for accusations she made regarding her.

    i have absolutely no respect for this woman.

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  30. lcpledwards permalink
    February 3, 2011 6:48 pm

    @keepitreal
    How am I a hypocrite? I simply provided the videos as an alternative to anyone who didn’t have the time or the desire the read the entire transcript. We watched the interview in order to analyze it and expose the true motivations behind Oprah’s desire for the interview: RATINGS! She and her staff explicitly mentioned this over and over and over throughout the show! “This is big!” “The interview of the century!” etc.

    What bothered me the most is that Oprah tried to make it seem like she would do a light hearted interview in order to not exploit the kids, but in reality any interview at this point is exploitation!

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  31. PDeverit permalink
    February 3, 2011 3:05 pm

    Useful info-
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    by Jordan Riak
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  32. okunuga permalink
    February 3, 2011 2:42 pm

    @keepingitreal,people use the word `exploited`because this woman never miss a chance to bash and abuse mj at any giving opportunity,to now feign compassion to the mother and the kids is just hippocritical of her by the way the admins of this site have never said people should not watch the show if they want to but should wait for it to be available on youtube so as not to give her show the rating that she did not deserves.

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  33. ares permalink
    February 3, 2011 11:50 am

    Thank you for the transcript David.

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  34. KeepItReal permalink
    February 3, 2011 11:24 am

    Oh please! You’re upset that Oprah “exploited” the kids by interviewing them but you have no qualms watching their interview. Hypocrite.

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  35. Suzy permalink
    February 3, 2011 6:54 am

    Thank you, David.

    Oprah is such a phoney, I’m not surprised Michael didn’t seek to be friends with her.

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