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Someone to Monitor Me

February 8, 2011

Less than a week after Michael Jackson died, after allegedly suffering “cardiac arrest,” CNN’s Drew Griffin interviewed Nurse Practitioner Cherilyn Lee.  The world was still reeling and Michael’s family and investigators in LA were still sleeping when, at 7:15 a.m., the public first heard the word Propofol.  Nurse Lee identified Propofol and speculated it may have caused Michael’s death.

Michael met Nurse Lee and had her recommend vitamins and nutritional supplements.  She was familiar with his insomnia and had once assessed his bedroom for levels of stimuli and sleep patterns.  But in April 2009, Michael asked her to help him find an anesthesiologist to monitor him.  He then told her about Propofol, which he claimed was the only thing that ever worked to provide instantaneous sleep.  He described the drug as being administered intravenously and said that he would fall asleep as soon as he received the first drop.  When she asked him who administered the drug, he said that a doctor gave it to him “a long time ago.”  After consulting with her Physician’s Desk Reference – a comprehensive volume that provides a detailed description of drugs, their side effects, and contraindications – she warned Michael that the drug was dangerous and that she feared if he took it he would not wake up.  Michael’s response, after she voiced her concerns, demonstrates why Dr. Conrad Murray’s conduct in monitoring his patient was reckless and, at the least, constitutes manslaughter.

Michael told Lee, “I need to have somebody here to just monitor me.  If somebody stay (sic) here and monitor me with this IV then I would be okay.  I would be okay because they’re gonna be here twenty-four hours or twelve hours to monitor me so I could sleep eight hours.”  Drew Griffin aptly predicted, “Half the people watching this are not going to believe you.  They are going to think this woman is just seeking fame.”  When asked why she was speaking out now, she responded, “I’m coming forward because the more I watch the news and the more they kept saying drugs and I’m thinking, ‘This is not drugs.’  It wasn’t the drugs they’re saying; the Demerol, it wasn’t that.  He kept saying he wanted to have somebody there that could watch him and medically supervise him.  That’s what [Michael] said.”

Nurse Lee’s reiteration of Michael’s words show (1) he had not taken Propofol in many years and (2) he understood that when given the drug, he needed to be monitored.  With that as a background, Murray’s defense that Michael was a drug addict who, in the absence of his physician, self-administered the fatal dose, is quite thin.

On June 27, 2009, robbery-homicide police officers Orlando Martinez and Scott Smith interviewed Dr. Conrad Murray in the presence of his attorneys, Michael Peña and Ed Chernoff.  Since Dr. Murray failed to keep any records of his treatment of Mr. Jackson, unless he testifies at trial, his statement to these police officers may be the only evidence giving insight into that treatment.

According to the recorded conversation, Murray first met Mr. Jackson in 2006 through a patient’s son.  He was referred not as a cardiologist, but merely because Jackson needed a physician.  Murray subsequently treated Jackson’s children for flu while they lived in Las Vegas.  Dr. Murray told Martinez that he received a phone call from Michael’s personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, requesting that he treat Mr. Jackson for the upcoming concerts in London.  Mr. Jackson then personally called Murray and asked that he join the tour.  Murray was elated.

Dr. Murray said that for a little over two months before June 2009, he had been treating Mr. Jackson, assisting him to sleep by administering Propofol every night.  Murray would first give an injection to get Mr. Jackson to sleep and, with an IV drip of 50 milligrams of Propofol, keep him under.  According to Murray, fifty milligrams per night was the maximum dosage Murray administered.

At various points throughout the interview, Dr. Murray told Martinez that Mr. Jackson had developed a dependency on Propofol.  As a result, Murray decided to try to wean him off, and introduce other agents.  Beginning three days before Mr. Jackson died, Murray administered Lorazepam and Midazolam instead of Propofol.

A common side effect of Midazolam is a change in respiration.  On autopsy, doctors discovered that Michael Jackson had an undiagnosed reduced lung capacity.  Before changing Michael’s medical regimen, Dr. Murray should have, at the very least, conducted a physical to determine if the medications he was first prescribing were appropriate for his patient.

On June 25th, Murray arrived at the Carolwood residence around 12:50 a.m. and went to Mr. Jackson’s bedroom.  Mr. Jackson arrived around 1:00 a.m.  They had a brief discussion as to how rehearsals went that night.  Mr. Jackson then took a shower.

Dr. Murray then began using an IV for hydration.  He administered Valium orally.  Using a syringe through the IV port, at 2:00 am he administered two milligrams of Lorazepam, diluted with saline, over the course of two to three minutes.

Mr. Jackson remained awake for another hour, so at 3:00 a.m., Dr. Murray introduced two mgs. of Diazepam in the same manner he administered the Midazolam.

Around 3:20 a.m., Mr. Jackson fell asleep for – according to Murray’s watch – 10 to 12 minutes.  Dr. Murray turned down the lights, turned on the music, and suggested that Mr. Jackson meditate.  Mr. Jackson said he would have to cancel his rehearsal because he could not sleep.  Dr. Murray then administered Midazolam; it did not work.

At 5:00 a.m. Murray administered two milligrams of Lorazepam.  Still unable to sleep, Mr. Jackson again complained that he would have to cancel rehearsal. Mr. Jackson confided that he was under a great deal of pressure about cancellations.  Dr. Murray administered two milligrams of diazepam at 7:30 a.m., but Mr. Jackson remained awake.

Still awake at 10:00 a.m., Mr. Jackson began asking for “milk,” allegedly his name for Propofol.  Doctors have nicknamed the drug, “Milk of Amnesia.”  According to Dr. Murray, he relented and administered Propofol at 10:40 or 10:50 a.m.  Murray gave half the normal dose, saying he administered only 25 milligrams over 25 minutes.  It was simply an injection to put Mr. Jackson to sleep, and then a slow drip to keep him asleep.  According to Murray, he was looking at his watch and Mr. Jackson fell asleep around 11:00 am.  Murray said that he monitored Mr. Jackson for a while, until he felt comfortable with Mr. Jackson’s condition; he then left the patient.

According to Murray, he went to relieve himself in the restroom in Mr. Jackson’s bedroom.  Dr. Murray said he was gone approximately two minutes.  After Dr. Murray returned from his two-minute absence, he was stunned to see that Mr. Jackson was not breathing.

Once he noticed that Mr. Jackson was not breathing, Murray started chest compressions and performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.  Mr. Jackson was still on the bed.  The 6-foot 5-inch, 220-pound Murray was unable to move Jackson – who, according to the autopsy report, weighed 136 pounds – to the floor by himself.  Murray described that he had one hand under Mr. Jackson’s back – supporting his back – and the other hand on top of his chest.  At this point in time, Dr. Murray explained that he did not call 911 because he was caring for his patient and did not want to interrupt it.  Had he made that call, the 911 operator would have asked what this was all about; responding to the operator’s questions would have interfered with Murray’s care.

The irony about Murray’s concern with the 911 operator’s interference is self-evident when one considers that Murray’s timeline has been totally undermined by his phone records.

On June 25, 2009, Dr. Murray had two cellular phones – one with AT&T service and the other with Sprint/Nextel service.  Therefore, prosecutors had two phone company witnesses detail Murray’s extensive telephone use while Mr. Jackson lay dying.

Harry Dhaliwal, an AT&T employee, discussed Murray’s cell phone activity on June 25th, 2009.  Beginning at 12:04 am and continuing every hour, on the hour until 6:04 am, Murray received data.  In addition, at 6:25 a.m., 9:00 a.m., 9:11 a.m., 10:26 a.m., 12:03 p.m., 12:04 p.m., 12:53 p.m. and 1:23 p.m., Murray received or sent a text message.  He received data at 7:03 a.m., 7:20 a.m., 8:14 a.m., 8:35 a.m., 8:54 a.m., 10:04 a.m., 10:15 a.m., 10:24 a.m., 12:13 p.m., 12:18 p.m. and 2:19 p.m.

In addition, he had several phone calls on June 25th, 2009:

  • 9:23 a.m. incoming call lasts 22 minutes (Bioni)
  • ·10:29 a.m. incoming call lasts 22 minutes[1]
  • ·11:07 a.m. incoming call lasts 1 minute (Ruggles)
  • ·11:18 a.m. incoming call lasts 32 minutes (Global Cardiovascular)[2]
  • ·11:26 a.m. incoming call lasts 24 minutes (Russell)
  • ·11:49 a.m. outgoing call lasts 3 minutes
  • ·11:51 a.m. outgoing call lasts 11 minutes (Anding)
  • ·12:12 p.m. outgoing call lasts 1 minute
  • ·12:15 p.m. outgoing call lasts 1 minute

Jeff Strohm is a custodian of records for Sprint/Nextel.  He detailed the phone calls Murray made from that phone:

  • ·7:01 a.m. outgoing call lasts 25 seconds (Butler)
  • ·8:49 a.m. incoming call lasts 53 seconds (Guild)
  • ·10:22 a.m. incoming call lasts 111 seconds (Dr. Prechad)
  • ·10:34 a.m. outgoing call lasts 8 ½ minutes (Ruggles)
  • ·11:26 a.m. incoming call lasts seven seconds (Morgan)
  • ·1:08 p.m. outgoing call lasts 2 minutes (Alvarez)

Further undermining Dr. Murray’s timeline was testimony by Stephen Marx, a computer forensic examiner.  He conducted an examination of Dr. Murray’s iPhone, which was recovered on July 28, 2009, to track when Dr. Murray reviewed incoming or created outgoing data.

Mr. Marx recovered a 5:54 a.m. incoming e-mail, with the greeting of “Hi Conrad,” with signature, Bob Taylor, of Bob Taylor’s Insurance of London.  The e-mail specifically inquired about Mr. Jackson’s health.  Mr. Taylor also needed to confirm that Dr. Murray was the only physician consulted during that period, and that his records dated back to 2006 when he first met Mr. Jackson.  Conrad Murray responded to Mr. Taylor’s e-mail at 11:17 a.m.  In a lengthy e-mail, Dr. Murray denied Taylor access to Michael’s medical records.  Murray wrote, however, that press reports about Michael’s health were false to say the least.

The most fateful call was one made to Sade Anding.  Anding was a cocktail waitress that Murray met in Texas.  He had begun referring to her as his girlfriend.  Murray called her at 11:51 a.m. and began telling her how things were going.  According to Anding, “Then I cut him off and I started talking.  I said, ‘Well, let me tell you about my day.’”  At some point, she realized, “He wasn’t on the phone no more.” “There was commotion – I heard noise as though the phone was in his pocket.  I heard coughing and mumbling.  It went on about five minutes.” She said, “hello, hello, hello.  Are you there?  Are you there?”  She received no response.  “I called and called and texted him and never heard back.”  She did not believe the mumbling she heard came from Murray.

In a February 3, 2011, interview, responding to how she felt when she heard that Mr. Jackson had died, Ms. Anding said, “It made me sad.  I felt like it was my fault.  But I really felt like, if [Murray] wouldn’t have called me, then maybe all that stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened.”

The most astonishing aspect of Anding’s testimony is that she heard mumbling that did not come from Murray.  This suggests that Mr. Jackson may indeed have been alive at 11:56 a.m., yet Murray did not request that anyone summon help from medical professionals until 12:21 p.m., twenty-five minutes later.  Once called, paramedics were on scene within four minutes.  Considering responding paramedic Richard Senneff’s testimony that his team had successfully revived patients who had been “down” for fifteen minutes, Murray’s delay was lethal.

The testimony of Strohm and Dhaliwal is relevant for several reasons, the most important of which was the fact that Murray was taking phone calls, communicating with his office, his girlfriends and former patients when he was being paid to watch Michael Jackson sleep.  In the period between 1:30 a.m., when he began treatment, and approximately 12:00 p.m., when he discovered his patient was not breathing, Murray spent three hours on phone calls, with the heaviest call activity beginning at 10:29 a.m.  Considering Senneff’s testimony that Mr. Jackson may have been dead for up to one hour before his 12:26 p.m. arrival, Murray’s phone records, which show three overlapping phone calls at 11:26 a.m., demonstrate unequivocally that Murray was not paying attention to his patient in the last moments of his life.  The records are relevant for one other outstanding reason; none of Murray’s numerous calls was to 911.

Mr. Jackson was pronounced at 2:26 p.m. at UCLA medical center.  According to the autopsy report, Mr. Jackson suffered “respiratory arrest” while under his physician’s care.

Conrad Murray has been charged with involuntary manslaughter, which, under California Penal Code 192(b) is defined as an unlawful killing that takes place:

  1. during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or
  2. during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or circumspection.

In response to the charges, his attorneys will be mounting a defense that (1) Michael Jackson was a drug addict and (2) that while Conrad Murray was out of the room, Michael Jackson self-administered Propofol, resulting in an overdose.

Many will recall Ed Chernoff’s initial diatribe that Murray did not know what other drugs Michael was taking.  Problematic with the addict theory is that, according to the toxicology report, Propofol, Lidocaine, Lorazepam, Midazolam, Nordiazepam and Diazepam – all drugs prescribed and administered by Murray – were found in Jackson’s blood samples.  No other drugs were found.  Therefore, the first defense is a dead end.

Murray’s attorneys must have mounted the second defense – that of Jackson self administering Propofol – once the phone records demonstrated that Murray did not leave his patient alone for two minutes as he told police investigators.  But, as the records show, Murray spent up to two hours on the phone before discovering Michael in distress.

According to Murray, Michael Jackson told him that while treating with other physicians, he had “pushed” the IV line into his veins.  Even if he had inserted the IV line on previous occasions, that does not change the fact that a physician always monitored him.  Indeed, for Murray to be acquitted, his attorneys would have to convince a jury that a man who understood how Propofol worked, who had stated on other occasions that he knew he needed to be monitored while using the drug, would have self-administered the medication while the doctor he was paying $150,000 per month to watch him was chatting with girlfriends, business associates and other patients.

To advance such a defense, Dr. Murray would have to take the stand.  If he takes the stand, he will have to explain (1) why he didn’t keep medical records, (2) why he didn’t perform a physical examination before administering new medication to his patient, (3) why he did not understand the dangers in combining benzodiazepines with Propofol, and (4) why he delayed in calling for help.  Then, Murray will have to find other doctors willing to admit that Michael Jackson self-administered Propofol in their presence.  This, of course, is a double-edged sword for the defense; even if they can elicit testimony about self-administration, the defense team is highly unlikely to find a doctor who will say that he, too, left the patient unmonitored while under sedation.

Should he take the stand, Murray’s conduct in hiding, destroying and concealing evidence may prove to be the most damning evidence against him.

About 12:17 p.m. on June 25th, security guard Alberto Alvarez received a phone call from Michael Amir Williams during which he was told to go to the house.  Alvarez noticed Dr. Murray standing at the top of the stairs, but leaning over the railing.  Alvarez raced upstairs and saw Murray walking towards Michael Jackson’s room.

When he first walked into the bedroom, Mr. Jackson was flat on his back with his hands to the side and his eyes and his mouth were wide open.  Alvarez then asked Dr. Murray what happened.  Dr. Murray said, “He had a reaction!  He had a reaction!” Alvarez was frozen.  He surveyed the scene and noticed that Murray had grabbed a handful of bottles from a nightstand.  Murray then instructed Alvarez to put them into a bag.  After the bottles and vials had been cleared from the room, Murray instructed Alvarez to remove the IV bag.  At the bottom of the IV bag was a milk-like substance.  Alvarez does not know what happened to the IV bag.  Once everything was cleared away, Murray told Alvarez to call 911.  Obviously, Dr. Murray’s actions delayed emergency treatment by paramedics.

Paramedic, Richard Senneff described a similar scene.  After administering emergency care at the home, on Murray’s orders, Mr. Jackson was to be transferred to the hospital. Mr. Jackson was placed on a gurney and all of the attached equipment was taken to the ambulance.  Senneff returned to the bedroom to make sure that he had all of his equipment.  While there, he observed Murray standing on the far side of the bed and, using a white plastic trashbag, picking things up.  Senneff was not looking hard enough to see what Murray picked up.

Given Murray’s elusive conduct, is it too far a stretch to suggest that he could have used Michael’s postmortem hand to place fingerprints on syringes and medicine bottles found at the scene?  In either case, Murray will have to explain what he did from approximately 11:56 a.m. – when Sade Anding heard mumbling and coughing – and 12:17 p.m. when Alberto Alvarez arrived.

Regardless of which aspect of Dr. Murray’s treatment is examined, it all falls short and is the very epitome of a lawful act committed without due caution or circumspection.

[1] This telephone call occurred during the time Murray claims he was administering Propofol to Mr. Jackson.

[2] It is unclear how this call lasted as long as the records reflect when other calls overlapped.

284 Comments leave one →
  1. sanemjfan permalink
    April 20, 2012 4:20 pm

    Here is an article about Propofol that mentions MJ and Conrad Murray.

    Michael Jackson did not die because propofol is a bad or dangerous drug, but because it was never meant to be used in this manner. Murray may have allowed Jackson’s status and wealth to push him out of his professional comfort zone (and well outside the boundaries of good medical practice) to administer propofol. He used it without appropriate training or experience, without vigilance, and without basic resuscitation equipment. And he discovered, in the hardest way possible, that the safe administration of anaesthetic drugs isn’t as easy as it looks.

  2. kaarin22 permalink
    March 31, 2012 1:19 am

    By the time it was more or less certain that Michael had died of a massive overdose of Propofol.I wish she would have been adamant that he seek help from a sleep specialist at a University hospital.Cause of death was proven without doubt at the trial by Dr, Shafer,There was a sense that Michael did not feel quite comfortable with Dr. Murray, and correctly so.
    What prevented a turnaround re MJ´s treatment was many matters, most of all the sudden increase in shows that he complained about to Randy Phillips who mocked him for it. And not only did Murray lack all safety equpment in this very extremely unothodox ,unethical type of “treatment”, Also he just failed to pay due attention to his one and only patient.
    It seems everything was carelessly left to the last minute. And the nasty riot act read to an allready overstressed Michael

  3. March 7, 2012 2:42 am

    Before any anesthesia, before surgery if more than removing a minute mole,before giving or prescribing medication with notable side-effects,a informed consent is needed.
    When minors are hospitalized and /or medicated on an in pt unit;In this case,any case ,requested by parent or anyone with appropriate interest is reviewed by a judge. In fact the Judge and his personell may come to the hospital which has a specific court-room, much like a small movie theathre , to hear cases every second week.In child-psych. you are more often than not, pretty much out of necessity, giving
    meds off label. This is because no trials on minors would ever be approved.They had to be medically indicated though and universally recognized in the field.There are a few psych.meds with indication for minors.
    So before any intervention of the nature that Murray did a written consent including exact risks of proceedure is necessary.He only reassured Michael as far as I know.Michael never signed a contract-that had to do with pay.AEG did pay him some,they ought to have asked about the form for informed consent.

  4. appleh permalink
    September 24, 2011 8:00 pm

    @suzy, thank you so much, I am not familar with american abbreviations !!!

  5. Suzy permalink
    September 24, 2011 7:30 pm

    WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
    DUI = driving under influence

  6. appleh permalink
    September 24, 2011 6:51 pm

    Why do they call juror # 108 a “wesp” and what is DUI ? Sorry for my question, but I want to understand it all !

  7. Suzy permalink
    September 24, 2011 12:47 pm

    Murray trial starts next Tuesday. Here are the jurors:

    Conrad Murray Jurors
    The Low Down

    TMZ has obtained the questionnaires from the jurors who were selected to sit in judgement of Dr. Conrad Murray in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. Here are some highlights.

    Juror #127 Mexican-American female, 54 years old, property manager, she has a daughter who was an alcohol and drug user 5 years ago, and she thinks famous people — notably Paris, Britney and Lindsay — are treated differently in court. She loved MJ’s music as a girl.

    Juror #145 White male, 45, partner in management consulting firm, wife is pediatric nurse at a hospital, he’s served twice on a jury before (murder and rape cases), watched “This is It” on Netflix.

    Juror #61 White female, 57, unemployed, worked in past for Red Cross, divorced, listens to NPR, followed the OJ Simpson cases, her younger brother uses drugs, served 5 times on a jury.

    Juror #70 White male, 54, college professor of animation and art, created characters for motion pictures at Disney, followed OJ trial, convicted of DUI, thinks celebs are not treated the same by police and can bend rules. MJ fan.

    Juror #44 Cuban/Mexican-White, watches History Channel, Pawn Stars, Sons of Anarchy and Modern Family, listens to Howard Stern, family members with alcohol addiction, served on a civil jury, fan of MJ, especially Thriller.

    Juror #49 White female, 43, head of communications for international marketing firm, watches NCIS and Hawaii Five-0, and motor sports/speed channel, worked in medical marketing, juror in criminal child sexual abuse case involving incest, does not think cops are more lenient with celebs.

    Juror #100 white female, 48, paralegal for 30 years, watches Big Brother, Survivor, Amazing Race, watched Casey Anthony trial, brother is an EMT, people of wealth and fame treated differently in court system.

    Juror #52 Mexican male, 51, USPS letter carrier, watches Law and Order, wife is back-office medical assistant, fan of MJ.

    Juror #99 Hispanic male, 42, school bus driver, father was addicted to alcohol, father-in-law died from alcohol abuse, served on a jury, MJ fan.

    Juror #38 Hispanic female, 36, customer service rep, filed for bankruptcy, listens to Ryan Seacrest on radio, watched Casey Anthony trial because it involved a child, former employer is a doctor, father was an absent alcoholic, shot in a drive-by shooting in 1993, on a DUI jury, MJ fan.

    Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who’s a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.

    Juror #108 male “Wasp,” 32, book seller, watches So You Think You Can Dance, Project Runway, girlfriend, in U.S. Army National Guard, grandparents attended AA, brother got DUI recently, thrown from a horse once, juror in civil trial, trained actor, MJ fan.

  8. September 23, 2011 12:12 am

    Board-certified anesthesiologist Dr. Barry Friedberg In Session Interview video with Ryan Smith.

  9. shelly permalink
    September 8, 2011 6:21 am

    Dr Friedberg on the Conrad Murray trial

  10. September 1, 2011 4:57 pm

    Just wonder how come Dr,Klein employed Pfeiffer,why this choice for office employ´e?

  11. shelly permalink
    September 1, 2011 2:52 am

    Something that might explain the Pfeiffer problem

  12. shelly permalink
    August 24, 2011 3:46 am

    This is a link that Teva gave me, it’s the legal document for Murray’s trial

  13. August 11, 2011 2:45 pm

    Murray needs the PR firm to free him of all responsibility for Michaels death.They don´t care how it will be done, how much it will cost (thats taken care of by (SOME).The media just goes along in tandem.
    It has crossed my mind that SOME may be married to the Jackson family or at least betrothed.Maybe, and to some Jacksons, not LaToya.though her statements to the contrary remain nebulous.

  14. Suzy permalink
    August 11, 2011 7:38 am

    If the defense has to rely on witnesses like Pfeiffer, they are in big trouble. It’s obvious he has an axe to grind against Klein and the prosecution will gladly point that out. As well as his lies about being Michael’s lover.

  15. Teva permalink
    August 11, 2011 6:29 am

    @shelly “I am wondering how Pfeiffer is going to handle cross examination after all his previous statement and his inability to answer questions from a tabloid reporter without contradicting himself.”

    That will be the best part. That’s gravy :)

  16. shelly permalink
    August 11, 2011 4:32 am

    Why did they allow them to speak about MJ’s addiction. A few months ago, they canceled the Patrick Treacy interview, I don’t understand that.

    I am wondering how Pfeiffer is going to handle cross examination after all his previous statement and his inability to answer questions from a tabloid reporter without contradicting himself.

  17. lynande51 permalink
    August 11, 2011 2:17 am

    Why would he ask for someone when he already had someone? Did Pfeiffer even ever meet Michael Jackson? Jason Pfeiffer apparently doesn’t get it. When the defense questions him so does the DA and the police I don’t think that he wants that to happen. I know he has hear of perjury.

  18. Susan permalink
    August 11, 2011 1:50 am

    Jason Pfeiffer is a defence witness, claiming Michael asked him to find him an anesthesiologist in June 2009. Yet Murray claims he was giving Michael propofol the 6 weeks prior to his death. Did Michael even know what Murray was doing to him? Is Pfeiffer lying about Michael asking him about propofol too (besides his claim of being Michael’s “boyfriend”?)

  19. Anna permalink
    August 11, 2011 1:03 am


    I agree. I think alot of the big name T.V hosts probably have an assistant moderating what comments & e-mails they will see. They probably only see the positive e-mails, I doubt they see any of the factual e-mails from us. How else could they be so out of touch with the factual reality here? Unless, they really are part of a concerted effort to defame Michael, I just have my doubts that it’s so cut and dry. I think it’s possible that the media machine against Michael is clouding the judgement of people both in the media and in the public against Michael. Someone who lives in a bubble like these big name T.V hosts seem particulalry vulnerable too it, (note: that ins’t an excuse just an observation)

  20. August 11, 2011 12:44 am

    There is this concerted effort to FREE MURRAY.Because if he ends up in jail he will talk.No money is spared in the effort to free murray from suspicion,guilt and homicide. If he ends up in jail he will talk, something to be avoided at any cost, no amount of $$$ is too much.
    Some would be very sorry if he talked.

  21. August 10, 2011 11:26 pm

    Here is an article from “Justice for Some” blog : Shame on You Dr. Drew
    (please go to it to see the screen shots of some segments of the conversation).

    The comments are also very good. One of them is giving an email for writing comments on the show:

    Tuesday, August 9, 2011
    Shame on You Dr. Drew

    I like Dr. Drew Pinksy. I watched Celebrity Rehab for many seasons, and think he genuinely cares about his patients. So when Pinsky’s show on HLN entitled Did Michael Jackson’s Doctor Cross the Line?, I watched it, believing that because Pinsky is a doctor, he would at least be semi-fair to Jackson’s condition at the time of death. I was wrong.

    1. Only a few minutes into the first segment, Dr. Drew accuses Michael Jackson of being a drug addict. Pinsky really needs to take a look at the autopsy report, which states: [screen-shot]

    The summary of the toxicology reports that only Lidocaine, Propofol and Lorazepam were in Jackson’s system at the time of death. Lorazepam was in extremely minute quantities in the blood. Lorazepam is a benzodiazepine. From the DEA: “the benzodiazepine family of depressants is used therapeutically to produce sedation, induce sleep, relieve anxiety and muscle spasms, and to prevent seizures. In general, benzodiazepines act as hypnotics in high doses, anxiolytics in moderate doses, and sedatives in low doses.”

    There were no opiates (painkillers) in Jackson’s system at the time of death. Lorazepam, as stated by the DEA, in low doses is used as a SEDATIVE. Jackson clearly was under pressure with the This Is It tour coming up and suffered from insomnia in times of stress and anxiety.

    2. Pinsky then brings in the now disbarred Brian Oxman (pssst Dr. Drew, did you know that? Oxman cannot practice law anymore!) and Dr. Deepak Chopra.
    Pinsky goes directly for Dr. Chopra’s often told story that Chopra once talked to Jackson about addiction, and consequently, Jackson kicked Chopra out of his inner circle.

    Is it just me, or is this completely attacking Michael Jackson and whether he was a drug addict or not? We all know and we’ve all heard Oxman’s stories of how Michael was an addict, spinning out of control. However, the AUTOPSY REPORT SAYS DIFFERENTLY, and I’d take the word of a physician over Oxman any day of the week. (Actually, I’d take just about anyone’s word over Oxman’s, but that’s a different story.)

    Pinsky then moves to the 2005 trial, and shows video footage of Michael entering the courthouse in pajamas. Of course, Oxman goes on his schpeel about how addicted Michael was, blah, blah, blah.

    After the commerical, Pinksy brings out his next guest, Dr. Sandheep Kapoor, who was found not guilty in the Anna Nicole Smith trial. Kapoor was one of Smith’s doctors.

    At the end of the segment, here are what Kapoor and Pinsky have to say [screen-shot]

    Kapoor seemingly sides with Conrad Murray!

    The headline for this story was Did Michael Jackson’s Doctor Cross the Line? Never once did anyone talk about Conrad Murray, not once. Pinsky did mention that propofol should never be given in a home setting, but then mentions addiction problems with propofol. Pinsky did not mention that Murray left Jackson UNATTENDED AND WITHOUT A MONITOR to talk on the phone.

    Dr. Drew, I am seriously disappointed in you. Michael Jackson has millions of fans who would be EAGER to supply you with information we have gathered over the past two years.

    A warning to the media who plan to attack Michael Jackson rather than focus on the issue at hand. That issue is that there were no significant drugs found in Jackson’s system at the time of death other than PROPOFOL. The LA coroner himself stated that it would be impossible for Jackson to self-inject. Conrad Murray administered propofol in a home setting, without monitoring or staying by Jackson’s side. That is the issue, and that is what is going to send Conrad Murray to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

    Posted by Michael Jackson: And Justice for Some at 5:50 PM


    lmt said…
    And I believe the airing on 8/9/11 was even worse. I have not seen it yet but Drew said Michael wore a mask to cover a hole in his nose and bleached his skin. Opened the show asking Who was Michal Jackson, freak, addict or idol?
    August 9, 2011 7:40 PM

    Anonymous said…
    I just watched the show..Completely slanted .When Dionne Warwick son said he never saw mj drugged ,just eccentric..and mentioned the media slanted the coverage during trial and mj was innocent, he was cut off..I noticed that Oxman was introduced as one of mj lawyers at trial which is just almost was Dionne son, not oxman that pointed out MJ was innocent …some lawyer, no wonder Mesereau sh@tcanned him…He is a waste of space..
    August 9, 2011 7:56 PM

    Gunngirl said…
    I would love to write to Dr. Drew, can’t seem to find a decent address though. It is sad a DOCTOR can’t even get these facts straight, and for these people to present this stuff on the air without having all the facts that even his fans can find and is ridiculous.

    People like Dr. Drew and Oprah give Michael a bad name, because these high profile names put out this stuff and regular people are going to listen and believe because they aren’t interested in their own research. Why isn’t Murray being condemned? Yes, Michael was in the wrong too, but that’s it? he is already dead isn’t he punished enough?

    Everyone loves to scream he’s a drug addict. If he was found in a crack house with a needle in his arm, yes, but he was in his home trusting his doctor to his care and no one blames the Doctor! I suppose if he died having an angioplasty people would say he woke up and began to dictate surgery on himself, asking for the wrong procedure and thus committed suicide. Anything to blame Michael.
    August 9, 2011 8:00 PM

    june said…
    @Gunngirl, you can go to CNN’s contact page, scroll down a bit for the HLN shows, where there is a selection box for Dr. Drew’s program. I just left a comment at that location. These comments are not published and it is stated they go directly to the recipient. I used to respect Dr. Drew’s opinions, however, since the Casey Anthony trial, I find him to be no better than Velez Mitchell, Nancy Grace, and all the others who are too lazy to seek out the truth preferring to poison their reporting with personal judgments and distortions. In Drew’s case, he should know better.
    August 9, 2011 8:28 PM

    elke hassell said…
    what really pissed me off further was the fact that Drew’s show came in two segments, the second segment being the issue with Michael Jackson and Dr. Murray, The first half was regarding the Jeffs’s case and primary was about child molestation, where Dr. Drew mentioned that Jeffs was molesting girls as young as 13 years of age and EVEN young boys.

    You call this another coincidence guys!!!!

    I don’t think so. Its high time we write to the station and Dr. Drew
    The hate and lies on Michael continue, I believe you saw absolute proof of that tonight.
    We need to be his voice now and stop the continued slander of Michael Jackson.
    August 9, 2011 11:12 PM

    elke hassell said…
    this is the email site for comments on the show, I just send an email, and also send a tweet to Dr. Drew. I think some of you should do the same. Lets stop this slandering, we are the voice now, let us be heard!
    August 9, 2011 11:59 PM

    SandyK said…
    I’ve encountered this kind of attitude around me, whether it be family or coworkers, that when the subject of Michael’s death comes up, almost all blame Michael as if Murray didn’t exist. This is what mainstream media has been doing to Michael all his life and after his death. I’m appalled with Dr. Drew and his total lack of knowledge on this subject or even attempt at looking at the issue in a none biased way. It’s as if the autopsy report didn’t exist. It’s as if the facts didn’t matter. And to go back to the 2005 trial and pull out one image as if that prooved anything is beyond words. Is it just me or is there an “Alice In Wonderland” quality to all this? I do very much hope and pray that when the trial finally starts and a jury is seated that the truth will eventually come out. As in the 2005 trial, or any trial, those jury members will be the only members of the public or media that will see the real facts in the case and be tasked to judge events based on those facts and not the slanted opinions of those such as Dr. Drew, Nancy Grace or Brian Oxman.
    August 10, 2011 4:29 AM

    Sue Adams said…
    The song “Scream” is getting more and more of a daily/weekly occurrence of the way we feel in general, isn’t it MJ fans?! A whole load of the same poisonous media crap perpetuated about Michael and no-one blaming anyone but Michael for other people’s idiocy!

    Bringing in the likes of Oxman and Chopra says it all! Aaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Yes we need our voices to be heard for definite and we will be there for you, Michael!
    August 10, 2011 6:24 AM

    june said…
    I hate to even bring it up, however it appears Drew tonight Wednesday, August 10th, is advertising more “conrad murray trial coverage”. I smell murray’s publicists all over Drew’s extensive, erroneous programming. Another poster here provided Drew’s email site, yes, please give voice where Michael cannot. HLN does acknowledge receipt of these emails.
    August 10, 2011 7:13 AM

  22. August 10, 2011 11:14 pm

    Dr Drew’s program tonight will again focus on Dr Murray. Efforts are being made all over the web to send clear questions to Dr Drew’s FB page and to the CNN feedback page. We are also working with a contact onTwitter. Obviously all these communications must be polite. If Drew is enraged because of name-calling, it will not be fans who suffer but the subject of his programs.

    Please send Dr Drew an informed email, asking him to not only state Murray’s perspective but also Michael’s. Remind him how important this is when the patient is dead and cannot speak for themselves.


    Pinsky has a Facebook page. A few articulate and thoughtful comments with informational links and requests for Drew’s responsible coverage of the Murray trial may do wonders for Pinsky’s erroneous point of view.

    These requests on FB do have to be polite or the FB page will be taken down..

  23. August 10, 2011 10:00 pm

    You can throw all Chopra´s books in the GARBAGE.

    Kaarin, I agree. From what I’ve read about Chopra and the way he talked about Michael after his death he doesn’t look like a friend to Michael. He even doesn’t look like a decent man at all. Each time I read him he was promoting himself only. People are often misled by him calling himself Michael’s friend but the proof of the matter is not what people say but what they do.

    No, I wouldn’t call Chopra a friend. Even Shmuley looks a better friend than Chopra – at least Shmuley has recanted his former opinions of Michael in his second book.

  24. August 10, 2011 9:49 pm

    Wonder how much murray´s PR firm will pay for that interview.

    And I wonder why Murray has PR firm at all?
    Is it common practice in the US for those suspected of a crime to hire a PR firm to improve their image before the trial?

    And where does Murray get all this money from? As far as I remember William Wagener said he needed $20mln. for airing only one documentary – so how much more does this PR firm pay for all those broadcasts? And where does the money come from?

  25. August 10, 2011 9:45 pm

    “Absolutely sickening”.

    Absolutely sickening. Reading about this TV show makes you realize that we are living in a topsy-turvy world. I hope these guys overdo it so much that the general public finally sobers up, says out loud that they don’t want to participate in this craziness and switch over to another channel.

    Finding excuses for the super-negligent Murray by calling Michael an addict is the same as finding excuses for a doctor who refused to help his dying patient because he was “old anyway”.

    They kill and we find excuses for them. They kill and we invite people to TV shows to explain that it was a good thing to do. They kill and others say that those dead would have died anyway.

    They kill and we applaud them for justifying it.

  26. August 10, 2011 9:04 pm

    I read on a reliable site that Chopra used to contact Grace R. behind Michaels back while Michael was going to him for counsel.This is just about the worst a therapist or counsellor can do.You can throw all Chopra´s books in the GARBAGE.

  27. August 10, 2011 8:57 pm

    So now murray is becoming famous and being interviewed for saving somebodys life.Not because he killed his one and only patient.
    Did he save someone with a weak pulse?I have yet to hear that he knows how to measure bloodpressure.Why does he not interview every doctor who has saved a life?Why just murray of all? Wonder how much murray´s PR firm willpay for that interview.Anybody know what this Pinski´s specialty is?This is the PR firm,murray would not know or have the time to arrange all these public performances.It would be much more interesting to hear murray´s latest version of the morning 6/25.
    He has tried one version after the other,didn´t work, now only mudslinging is left. -It is over 2 years since Michaels death.Why are all the people who hated MJ still so interested?My guess the 15 min + $$$

  28. Susan permalink
    August 10, 2011 8:30 pm

    It is truly disturbing to see how easily some people will discard their ethics in order to satisfy their addiction to attention. Julie, I noticed that also last evening – when Damon Elliott, Dionne Warwick’s son, did not confirm their “drug addict” mantra – he disappeared by the first commercial! I don’t want to believe what I am seeing, but the facts speak for themselves – there seems to be a very deliberate attempt to excuse Murray for his abysmal treatment of Michael. The scary thing is that other “doctors” and I use that term lightly when speaking of Drew Pinsky – are very quick to blame Michael when actual hard proof, via the autopsy, is so readily available. Making snide remarks about Michael’s nose or whatever else is just the same mean-spirited b.s. that Michael had to put up with his whole life. I can’t imagine them doing that to any other person.

    Tonight Pinsky is going to interview a man to whom Murray is a hero. He claims Murray saved his life. Isn’t that what he is supposed to do? So now he gets credit for this – heroism beyond the call of duty? For doing his job? Absolutely sickening.

  29. Julie permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:37 pm

    Do you have to like his page in order to comment? I found where you can email his show, but I feel like he’s like Oprah and doesn’t waste his time reading the emails that aren’t sycophantic. When you look on his fb page, there are already people who are off target (complaining about the family, etc.) with one comment actually quoting an anesthesiologist about the situation. Dr. Drew sold out and went for the sensationalism rather than looking for truth. What a sellout he is!

  30. August 10, 2011 5:08 pm

    Teva, I am truly sorry that this Dr, Drew is so tasteless and unethical.I am lucky (or unlucky?) not to be able to see those shows you mentioned.This is murray´s PR firm doing their dirty work.
    If you see some strange comments by me(see below) don´t take them to be what I really believe.They are just crazy ideas that come to my mind from haters statements and behaviour.As in martial arts I try to use the force of the oppponent against themselves.It seems nothing is out of bounds when it comes to Michael.And he was truly a wonderful person.

  31. August 10, 2011 4:55 pm

    Dr Drew’s show on 9/08/2011 was indeed disappointing. From his opening line calling Michael, ‘J***o’ to constant insinuations that Michael was somehow a ‘demanding Diva’ who asked for his own death — the program was a catalogue of misinformation.

    In the run-up to trial and during, it would be good to communicate with Dr Drew and his research team. Pinsky has a Facebook page. A few articulate and thoughtful comments with informational links and non-confrontational requests for his responsible coverage of the Murray trial may do wonders for Pinsky’s erroneous point of view.

  32. Julie permalink
    August 10, 2011 6:20 am

    This is so unbelievably disappointing. Teva’s comment about what Dr. Drew said about Michael’s nose was the first thing that just made me sick. He is supposed to be a professional, but you know he’s another one who has made a name for himself on the backs of celebrities so I don’t know how much credence he deserves truthfully. Seeing that complete moron, Brian Oxman, on there describing the scene at the hospital when Michael died — saying that Randy called him to get to the hospital. I would love to hear Randy say that’s what he did. I know if I were to get a call that a close family member was dying or possibly dead in the hospital, my first thought would not be to call my lawyer I don’t care how close I was to him. Oxman had his face stuck in a camera 10 seconds after Michael died and it was disgraceful. I truly think that he attempts to stay relevant in the Jackson’s life and feel that he was the one Mesereau was referring to when he said that there were other lawyers trying to get in Michael’s ear during the trial and attempting to tear down what Mesereau and Yu were trying to do. Then, there’s good ole Deepak. He’s another one that I just don’t get. Michael may have asked him for Oxycontin back in 2005 (which is his claim), but Michael was out of the country for the next 2-3 years so how could Chopra have any knowledge of what was happening with Michael before he died? The Irish doctor who was with him more recently that Chopra stated the exact opposite.

    The only one that made any sense on the panel was Dionne Warwick’s son who stated that he never witnessed Michael in any type of drugged state and he was around the family his entire life. I noticed directly after making that statement — he was taken out of the panel. I guess he had nothing sensational to report.

    I did read LaToy’s book on Jetzi and according to her (I know there’s a big question mark around here too most of the time), she stated that the family intervention was around 2002 and she referenced that the family became concerned because Michael had a problem stemming from his fall in Germany (where the balcony he was on plunged 60 feet into the orchestra pit during his performance of Earth Song). The family went to the house and found Michael and talked to him and he felt that he didn’t have a problem and according to her he seemed fine so they let it go. She does not state that they had multiple interventions which is contrary to what Janet insinuated on the Oprah show in 2010 so it’s hard to know who to believe. She further reiterated that the only drugs in Michael’s system when he died were the ones that were administered by Murray. The one disturbing thing that she said was that the coroner came to her (because she was the family member in charge of his body) and requested a palm print and hair samples right before he was buried in September of 2009. She felt it was extremely odd given the fact that he had been dead for almost 3 months so in her mind they shouldn’t have needed anything further. She stated that they took the black glove off of Michael’s hand and had to put him in a sitting position in order to get the print. According to her, after they left she turned to her friend that was with her and told him that she thought they were getting the palm print to put on the propofol bottle to claim Michael took the fatal overdose himself. It turned my stomach!

    It almost feels like a losing battle when these types of shows come on and people who were not really around Michael are allowed to come on and say whatever they choose no matter how damning or flat out untruthful it may be. How discouraging that this is happening on the eve of Dr. Murray’s trial. Once again Dr. Drew lumped Michael in with Corey Haim, Amy Winehouse, Anna Nicole Smith and others who died who had died as a result of drug addiction. I seem to recall that Haim died of a pneumonia related illness; however, this is not what Michael died from!

    A few months ago I had a medical procedure that required anesthesia. I had had the procedure the year before and was put under and this time the doctor requested something stronger because I apparently moved around too much the year before and it was difficult for her to perform the procedure. In any event, the CRNA came in to ask my permission for the upgrade in anesthesia and I gave my permission. As I was being wheeled to the procedure room, the CRNA told me I would be given propofol. All I remember was that the minute that substance went in my IV, I was out. Sometime during the procedure my eyes opened and I remember seeing the doctor standing there looking at me and she said to the CRNA, “her eyes are open.” The doctor then looked at me and told me to close my eyes, which I did. I was not coherent enough to sit up and do anything I can tell you that much. After the procedure concluded, I remember feeling my sheet and covering blanket was all wet. When the nurse came in to talk to me about the procedure, she told me that my IV had come out sometime during the procedure which made sense as to why I woke up and why my sheet, etc. was wet.

  33. lynande51 permalink
    August 10, 2011 6:00 am

    go to my twitter @lynande51

  34. Teva permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:34 am

    Dr. Drew says Michael wore a surgical mask to hide the gaping hole that used to be his nose. He also say Michael bleached his skin.

  35. Teva permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:07 am

    Dr. Drew opened his show tonight asking who was the real Jacko? Addict, Freak, idol?

  36. August 9, 2011 12:07 am

    Did this writer Chris Andersen have this name given by his parents or is he trying to imply some realationship to Hans Christian Andersen,
    a wellknown Danish writer,poet, most known for his fairytales,interesting enough to be read by adults.Born 1805,died 1875.

  37. August 8, 2011 1:52 am

    The menage a trois should be played in a Moliere theathre piece style.

  38. August 8, 2011 1:44 am

    This Klein-Pfeiffer story rivals V.G.`s MJWML in it´s phantasmagoric sense.I have not read the book by Chris Anderson and don´t intend to order it.Michael pickinhg up boys or men in the streets? He was terrified of venturing out without secutity.You all know about the brazilian boys story,I take.-Now that they don´t have money or work
    they can start a “Menage a trois harlequin show” by hiring a MJ-impersonator for the role of MJ. They could do tours or have a weekly TV show.-Forgive me for this bad joke, I know Michael was classy whatever you say.

  39. Teva permalink
    August 7, 2011 5:24 am


    You did a wonderful commentary on the drugs, and you have made my point for me. We tend to preach to the choir. Your analysis would have better served (warm) to the 4 TMZ staffers during their question and answer where their million of unknowledgable audience would have hear it (live). However, I will pass it on to the blogs on which I post. Thank you.

  40. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 4:52 am

    @Teva, I agree with that . I think though that Klein might be usable like the members of the media JRT and Roger Friedman sort of. I think if instead of attacking him he might be more user friendly if we avoid slamming him. I happen to know that they haters are expecting us to attack Klein over his giving Michael drugs. The haters have pretty much decided that the fan community believe this story or at least that is what they are talking about amongst themselves. In turn that would look like we believe this story which we can pretty much determine by now is not true and also help Murray in his defense if he can taint the possible jury pool. That was the intended purpose of doing this particular smear at this particular time. I think we really need to put out the information that I have here to show that there was no Demerol use. So if you can please pass it on and let’s all agree to not blame Klein for any of this stuff. It is a lawsuit alleging some pretty strange stuff. There is no control over what is said in a lawsuit. I do have a question though has anyone actually seen the papers yet? The reason I ask is that sometime today TMZ seems to have taken down the story or at least that is what happens for me if I search it on yahoo.

  41. Teva permalink
    August 7, 2011 4:06 am

    “Even if Klein fired him he has no recourse except to make up this doodoo and the only way he is getting any attention from it is to add MJ’s name to it.” – Lynette

    EXACTLY, and that is what pisses me off. No one would care about JP’s mess if he didn’t muck it up with MJ, but I would be more sympathetic to AK if he had not join JP to create that fake gay story, and not gone along with DD’s mission and claim to be Prince and Paris’ father.

  42. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 3:06 am

    It means that your employer can fire you at anytime without a reason. That is why he is actually claiming injury and suing for damages. Negligence.

  43. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:45 am

    “Unless you have a contract of some kind or tenure here in the US employment is “at will”

    What do you mean by that?

  44. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:44 am

    Hey when did the story come off the TMZ board? I just went to search for it but it is not there. The headline came up but I get a 404 error and a list of other choices I might like to read but none of them interested me much. LOL. Why do they do that? It was only 2 days old. The story is still out there on different gossip sites but not TMZ.

  45. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:29 am

    Probably he is worth it. He is not the slouch that the tabs are making him out to be. In reality he did develope this procedure and is recognized world wide for his work. The one thing that seem to be happening here with him is that he is in a bunch of lawsuits against former partners, business managers and employees now that walk of the job JP has claimed he was wrongfully terminated. Unless you have a contract of some kind or tenure here in the US employment is “at will”. Even if Klein fired him he has no recourse except to make up this doodoo and the only way he is getting any attention from it is to add MJ’s name to it.

  46. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:13 am

    “His meticulous, artistic approach requires multiple injections, depending on facial features, the extent of the wrinkling and the specific area being treated.”

    Does it means that he will charge you as much as he can?

  47. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:04 am

    I would guess that MJ had to pay for transportation with the helicopter. Well now we know how much that costs.Of course it might have been round trip.

  48. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:51 am

    Shelly here is a link to his site.
    Now maybe I can explain something a little funny in the good old USA in the world of the “privildged”. You won’t find a price list there. This is because in the area of his practice and his clientele there is an unspoken rule: if you have to ask how much it is you can’t afford it. It sounds snooty and it is snooty. I think that it says after hours home call not phone call. Anyway going by my brochure that I found it has different prices for different things.Most Restylane starts out the first time at 1500 per area treated maybe some addition charges because they need a little bit more in a syringe to fiinish up the and then you have to go back in a little while and the same goes for the Botox it starts at about the same price. I didn’t really pay attention to it because mine started from a work related injury believe it or not. One of my patients broke a chair picked up the leg and slammed it across my face. It split/tore my lip from the corner of my nose down and half of my upper lip. I had to have cosmetics close it and the dermatology to even up my features after the healing and scar reduction. it happened about 3 and a half years ago and it took about a year and a half for my lip to return to the preinjury size so they could even start it . Anyway the reason I don’t know how much it costs is because It was covered by insurance.
    Oh and look AWK has his own brand of facial cleansers, toners, and lotions who knew!

  49. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:38 am

    “Which is funny, ’cause in May when they were both out of town MJ did just fine seeing the other doctors there.”

    In May, they were in Europe.

  50. August 7, 2011 1:34 am

    I think that’s the weekend he said he needed to helicopter in from out of town to take care of MJ.

    Which is funny, ’cause in May when they were both out of town MJ did just fine seeing the other doctors there.

  51. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:32 am

    He did the same thing a few weeks later and asked for 7500 dollars.

  52. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:30 am

    He also asked for 5000 dollars for something he did on a weekend, the 17th of April.

  53. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:29 am

    Yes on the Botox and Restylane because they are used to do 2 different things. One is to smooth out the underlying muscle tissue and paralyze it and one is to fill in the line.
    Yeah all I’m going to say about that one is he sure thinks highly of his personal time off. LOL

  54. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:28 am

    Thank for the link, the problem is I don’t know what are the normal prices for those things, but I noticed one thing on the 15th of April he charged him 1000 dollars for after hour phone calls.

  55. julie permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:23 am

    Is it normal to do the botox/restylane so close together? Also the latisse charges seemed like a lot and did you love the charges for the weekend visits and after hours. Good Lord!

  56. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:02 am

    Hi Shelly, Here is a link to the bill that Klein submitted to the estate to be paid in 2009
    I can tell you later after you read it and save it to your computer what some of the stuff means if you want me to. Pay close attention to the dates. Here is something else that you need to know when you read it. a Botox treatment is an IM injection. You pay separately for the Botox serum or Restylane serum. Then you pay for every time they put the fine needle into the area that you want the Serum to go. SInce it can be painful and pain increases swelling and you don’t want to increase the swelling in a restorative treament you will use Novocaine, Lidocaine or what ever numbing agent in the Muscle first to numb it. Since that is a different drug and you have to use a different needle they charge for that separately. Now if you look at MJ’s face he was probably doing his brow, around his eyes, his lips, and the labial folds ( nose to corner of the mouth). He has a laser excision of a lesion. A lesion is an open area. In dermatology it can mean a lot of things most of the time a pimple. Then he got some moisturizer, some Latisse to help enhance the growth of his eyelashes and a couple of other things. That is why he used to wear scarves and stuff to cover his face when he left the office.
    Demerol is a CII or DEA schedule 2 classification of drug. What that means is that it has a strong potential for abuse, diversion, or addiction but still has legitimate medical uses because demerol is an opiate. A doctor or prescriber has to apply for a special number from the DEA if they are going to be prescribing these medications. It is used to track the sale, distribution and use of the medications. The DEA has to know where all of the Demerol is in the United States. If it is used you have to document how much, to who, where and when it was given. If it comes from a vial and it is not in a hospital setting where the remainder can be used by the same patient in a specific amount of time it must be wasted and destroyed. It has to be 2 people that waste it. In a hospital it can be 2 RN’s or an RN an a pharmacist.In a clinic. it must be placed in a locked container and counted and documented until it can be wasted by 2 people under specific conditions. If the clinic has a consulting pharmacist that comes in it can either be onsite with him and an RN. If the Pharmacist takes it with him it must be counted or measured, documented what time it was counted, by who, how much and what time it left the building. Then the pharmacist wastes it at the pharmacy following the same protocol and procedure. If it is sold it must be accounted for. If it is not on the bill it was not used. Dr Klein is not allowed to give it away. it is not that easy if an inordinate amount of Demerol were being used in a clinic without the procedural need for it it would be noticed.There really isn’t a protocol for it in dermatology because Demerol is used for severe/post operative pain. I would question if Dr. Klein even has the DEA number for the CII’s just because of what it is that he does in his office. The thing is they have already gone through his records.
    This was just used as another way to suggest to the general public that MJ was using Demerol becaue Murray’s trial is getting closer. I don’t like that whole PR firm by a guy who can’t afford it how is he doing that?
    That said Arnie sure charges a lot for a treatment and office call. Oh well that can be based on a lot of things from his level of expertise to his clients willingness to pay. On my last bill for Restylane I think it was about 900 but it was a touchup so they didn’t have to use as much. I’d have to sit down and add up each office call and treatment to figure out if mine is comparable or not and I don’t want to dig through my old bills.

  57. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 10:57 pm

    In his blog, he wrote, in May, that his problems with Klein started 6months earlier. So he had no problems with what Klein allegedly forced him to do until Klein accused him of stealing money.

  58. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 7:54 pm

    I should also add that if a “script” were found somewhere in say personal email exchanges they could use those as evidence in favor of Dr. Klein. In any case that goes to a jury a jury is given instruction on how to weigh the evidence that is presented even in a civil case. All of the instructions include an instruction on how to find the veracity of a statement made. Veracity is the truth of a statement. To make it easily understandable use this. If dr. Klein could prove that some of these statements were made up the court or the jury could say that there is a strong possibility that all of the statements were made up. That would be slander. If only Dr. Klein knew this.

  59. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 7:08 pm

    Let me help you all out a little bit. We are all quoting a book by Chris Andersen. A book that has some more salacious details in it about Michael none of which are true but they are nice and juicy aren’t they. Then we have this story which just gets crazier and crazier and in places starts to sound like the VG book with the fecees and peeing doesn’t it? What brought you to read those books? Who was writing about those books in the first place and so firmly “believes” what is written there? Does that person have a connection to Dr. Klein and Jason Pfeiffer?.Yes this person does. Do I think that maybe this person “helped” JP with the details of the lawsuit? You’re damn right I do.

  60. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 5:48 pm

    It depends what the DA will be able to prove. I think they will try to prove that he wasn’t an addict and nobody knows what evidence they have.

    By the way, I am sure the general public thought MJ was guilty in 2005 but he was acquitted.

  61. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:34 pm

    More to the point that TMZ was making I really do not see how this could help Murray. If Michael was taking medication from Klein on the sly, what does that have to do with the propofol drip Murray had going. Rubbish.

    Anyway I believe Murray will be acquitted, not because he was innocent, but for other reasons not involving: Sony, AEG, Branca etc. The fans are very knowlegable, so I hope the prosecution takes a cue, but I doubt it. In the Casey Anthony trial the defense hired social media experts that trolled thousands of websites, facebook, twitter etc to take a pulse on the public. They discovered that most people thought Casey’s behaviour could be explained if she were sexually molested; therefore, the defense was created. I don’t know if Murray’s team will do the trolling, but I won’t rule it out. Outside of fandom (where most people live) the general thought is Michael was undeniably talented, but . . . .

  62. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:09 pm

    “Jason said he had to bring an homeless man for Klein. I was wondering one thing, in Chris Andersen’s book, there is a rumor which said that MJ took young men on the street when he was on tour. Klein was on often with him. Don’t you think, that rumor could have started because of Klein’s sexual habit?”- Shelly

    Firstly we do not know if this is a sexual habit of Klien’s all we have is Pfeiffer’s word. Until the homeless people go to court and parrot Pfeiffer, and withstand vigorous cross examination it is just an allegation. I am no fan of Klein, but Jason sound like sour grapes to me.

    It is clear that they both have agendas that requires Michael Jackson’s participation (dead or alive, but preferably dead) to fulfill.

  63. Suzy permalink
    August 6, 2011 11:29 am

    @ Shelly

    Chris Anderson made up a lot of things without it having ANY basis to it (about Michael as well as about other people). I don’t why this story would be any different. For these people (the likes of Anderson) there doesn’t need to be the slightest of truth in any story to write about them.

  64. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 11:11 am

    Jason said he had to bring an homeless man for Klein. I was wondering one thing, in Chris Andersen’s book, there is a rumor which said that MJ took young men on the street when he was on tour. Klein was on often with him. Don’t you think, that rumor could have started because of Klein’s sexual habit?

    I spoke about Jason’s mom because she said lots of time on twitter that Klein was a wonderful guy. She even spent her birthday at Klein’s house. For me it tends to prive that Jason is lying.

  65. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 9:41 am

    @Suzy Yeah you are right. I was just using a comparison to show how unbelievably silly that whole story is. It goes from an unpaid medical bill to a grean sport coat to he was his lover no he wasn’t to I had to wash his groin and give him his medication before he had sex and all those silly and salacious details. Kind of reminds me of D if you know what I mean.

  66. Suzy permalink
    August 6, 2011 9:18 am

    @ Teva

    ” I wonder why things that are so blantantly obvious to us “crazy” fans escape the more “intellectual” like TMZ staffers.

    I think it’s obvious for them as well. But it wouldn’t be fun for them if they declared to their readers the story is not true.

    @ Lynette

    ” Now I have pictures of Michael wearing that coat. The thing is it looks like it fits him pretty good. I don’t know about anybody else but I just don’t think they wore the same size.”

    I have seen a pic of Klein wearing that coat, so it was really his. Michael had this habit of taking other people’s coats if he liked it. On the Thriller album cover the suit he’s wearing is the photograph’s suit.

  67. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:15 am

    Okay I’m caught up with the reading to this post. I sure have gotten a slang education on this one. Thank you Arnie and Jason. I don’t know for sure what a “bear site” is but I think I can guess. I do however know what 8 and cut is and that is for sure one I don’t believe. What I would like to know is: what did Jason Pfeiffer’s mom have to do with the story. I should probably write a little article about those injections just so people understand. I have the original lawsuit that Klein filed against MJ’s estate for unpaid medical bills and it lists everything that he gave him. I think I got it from Radar online or TMZ when he did it. He did that before he and Jason came up with the scheme about the gay lover and before he sued him for a ten thousand dollar ugly green sport coat. Now I have pictures of Michael wearing that coat. The thing is it looks like it fits him pretty good. I don’t know about anybody else but I just don’t think they wore the same size. I think I will try to do that very soon because that story is just to wild.

  68. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 3:33 am

    The sad part is to stay relevant they will have to pull MJ into the mix. I wonder why things that are so blantantly obvious to us “crazy” fans escape the more “intellectual” like TMZ staffers. Can’t they see Klien & Pfeiffer who were living together, and were friends with benefits decided to market a MJ and Pfeiffer Harlequin romance?

    As for the TMZ employee who said Michael killed himself I really hope he pays good attention to the trial, but who am I kidding. Even though it will be televised America will read the cliff notes by DD et al, and miss the substance. Televising it will make no difference to the reporting. I really hope they clear up during the trial the premise that Michael’s body was riddled with needle holes because that has been saturated in the public and media.

  69. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 3:20 am

    “I wonder what’s going to happen during the trial if those 2 people testified.” – Shelly

    It will come down to which is more likable to the jury.

    I find the Pfeiffer vs Klien story funny as hell, but let’s be honest the only reason anybody cares who pissed on whom is because Michael Jackson is involved, and they know it. With out the Michael connection their blogs, facebook, twitter etc would be nothing especially Pfeiffer who would go back to being a non entity.

  70. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 2:17 am

    I wonder what’s going to happen during the trial if those 2 people testified.

  71. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 2:16 am

    From the LSA forum

    “2007 Jason separates from his longtime partner and returns to LA unemployed and with no money, meets Klein online, Klein wants to have sex with him. Jason refuses. Klein apologizes and says to become friends.

    They start talking about cars etc. Klein invites him to his home saying that he might be able to give him a job, again makes a pass to him, jason leaves.

    Weeks pass they again started talking about a job possibility, Klein says he won’t make any more advances to him and then eventually hires him. His job responsiblities becomes significant such as always accompanying Klein to everywhere (note: I think Klein has a illness and physical limitation as help him dress up, put him to bed etc is mentioned)

    Jason alleges that Klein obsessively searched for sex partners on Internet especially on “bear” websites. Gives an example of his profile on one of the websites ( 8 and cut) . Jason says that he was required to help Klein with these searches, reading him the profiles, typing up emails to the people Klein liked, update Klein’s online profiles, calling up people etc. Jason says he didn’t want to do it but Klein said he’d fire him if he didn’t.

    Then comes the preparation for sex part. Jason claims that he had to wash his groin, give him drugs (viagra etc), greet his sex partners, wait till they leave etc. Jason says Klein took him to gay men hotels (bathhouses) that had bear parties. took Jason to one bear sex party in Las Vegas, says he didn’t want to go. Jason says sometimes he needed to go out and find and bring Klein sex partners, mentions bringing a homeless man.

    There’s a mention of Klein writing prescriptions in Jason’s name multiple times for other people – I’ll skip the details on that.

    Then allegedly Klein tells him that he has to move in with him or he’ll take away the car that he has given him and fire him. Jason moves in with him Klein expects him to work for him 24/7, doesn’t allow him to visit his family etc.

    Jason claims that Klein liked to “mistakenly” piss on him (shoes/clothes) to humiliate him. says that Klein has a serious medical condition and loses bowel control. He made Jason to clean Klein, change his clothes and clean the floor. Jason says that Klein swallowed a dental bridge and made Jason to look for it in the feces.

    Jason claims that Klein asked to report his former partner to police, made him listen to his problems with his current partner and again started to make sexual advances towards Jason (grabbing his nipples, trying to kiss him, force his tongue to his mouth, saying that they would have “hot love affair” and so on )

    a lot of mention of Klein becoming FDA consultant and wanting to get a billboard to advertise that and Jason saying that it’s illegal to do that.

    so they start having arguments about the billboard and another prescription in Jason’s name. Jason leaves the house and Klein starts to say that he fired him and doesn’t allow him back to the workplace and his house.”

  72. August 6, 2011 12:57 am

    Now Pfeiffer and Klein are at each others throats.Are both of them facing bankruptcy too?I thought the 50 injections over a 3 month period
    was old news.Both of them are buffoons and can plead incompetence to stand trial due to mental problems.How will they manage now that they no longer can leach on Michael?Some other people face the same problem.

  73. Julie permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:55 pm

    I know Shelly and thank you…I just had to throw my 2 cents in there because they angered me yesterday with their BS.

    I think both Klein and Pfeiffer are liars.

  74. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:45 pm


    I just posted that video because they clearly said Pfeiffer or anyone can’t get sue for defamation because of what is in the lawsuit. You can say anything you want in a lawsuit and it’s a very important point.

    By the way, By the way Jason claimed “he was wrongfully terminated”, so he didn’t leave klein by himself and he was fired. On his blog, he claimed that

    “I will post again in a few days… but again, YOU started this pissing match. You took a simple resignation to new heights. ”

    “When I started working for Klein, I was vulnerable, a trait he loves. I had just lost a close family member, moved half way across the country, and needed a job. Klein “came to my rescue, and pulled me out of the gutter” (as he describes it). He loves to be in a place of superiority, and lord over his forever grateful subjects. I worked hard for him… I believed in him… He turned into a father figure for me, and I respected him. In turn he was good to me. A fact that his lawyer threw into my face when I asked for my personal possesions back. As if to say, dont expect your socks and shoes back, he took you to see Lady Gaga. More on that later.

    It wasn’t until Michael died that chinks in the armor would start to show. I questioned how he handled the entire thing, but being a loyal subject, I was told to never question him. It wasn’t until September of 2010 that I decided I was going to stand up for myself. I continually refused to support his crazy endeavors and I started to question my loyalty. All these bizarre quests he was on, trying to destroy people,. why? I finally had enough and after him and his closeted boyfriend began to talk behind my back, I walked out of his house. I was done.”

    The Truth According to Jason: David and Goliath… Better known as the Pissing Match! UPDATED!!!

    I may be wrong, I don’t live in the US, but you can’t resign and be wrongfully terminated.

  75. Julie permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:21 pm

    The stoned guy that sits behind where they do their show said that he thinks Michael killed himself (which is absurd and that guy acts like he doesn’t have a clue about anything have the time) and then they read a comment which was the usual garbage that said Michael would have found another doctor if this doctor didn’t do what Michael wanted and the guys at least acknowledged that it doesn’t matter if Michael found another doctor or not — this doctor did not do the right thing.

    The rest of it I just had to shut off because they anger me so much!

  76. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:14 pm

    I think they said something very important at around 7 about that lawsuit

    You can say what the hell you want in a lawsuit.

  77. Suzy permalink
    August 5, 2011 7:51 am

    Here are the extracts from the lawsuits mentioning Michael:

    Basically just what TMZ wrote too. The last part is interesting, it says:

    “Toward the end of June, 2009, Klein told Pfeiffer that Michael Jackson was having trouble sleeping…”

    If Pfeiffer was Michael’s lover why did Klein have to tell him this? LOL.

    The rest of the lawsuit, according to the person who read it, is like gay porn, with Pfeiffer detailing Klein’s sex life including his penis size. Pfeiffer claims he never had sex with Klein but Klein made several passes at him.

  78. August 5, 2011 5:16 am

    thank-you for this site!!!!

  79. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 2:08 am

    I wonder how many assholes MJ had around him. It’s unbelievable.

  80. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 1:08 am

    Yes, I am not stalking his family, but I just wanted to know who was following him and I found her and she loved Klein very much.

  81. August 5, 2011 1:00 am

    LOL Pfeiffer’s mother is on twitter?

  82. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:48 am


    You forgot that he never said anything to his family. His own mother is on tweeter kissing Klein’s ass.

  83. August 5, 2011 12:44 am


    Sheesh! Obviously Klein needed his penis washer on vacation with him and his other bear lover!

    Previously he’d only admitted that Klein had tried hitting on him…

    I know when someone makes me uncomfortable sexually to the point of washing his penis I make all attempts to vacation with that person twice (why he was there at christmas with Klein), cosign lies in public with that person, speak to journalists about how fabulous and misunderstood that person is, tweet to that person in May 2009 how much I love them, and then move in with them.

    I mean, that’s obviously what all other sane people would do.

  84. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:02 am

    By the way, obviously Klein was really bad at writing medical note because according to that article, and others,

    “The singer – who wanted to appear via video link because of an unspecified illness – has been medically cleared to travel, his lawyer, Robert Englehart, said Thursday.”

  85. Lauren permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:00 am

    The truth will come out at trial re: Klein’s treatment. I tend to believe he was within
    standard of care…he was investigated by PD and the Medical Board. I imagine his
    treatments were painful for MJ. I do wonder how Klein can testify with another lawsuit
    pending. And I also wonder if Pfeifer is a potential witness.

  86. Anna permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:56 pm

    Hmmm……anyone else get the feeling Jason and Arnie are cut from the same cloth? They both strike me as attention hounds.

  87. shelly permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:56 pm


    You forget that he lived with Klein too.

  88. Suzy permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:45 pm

    @ Shelly

    Poor, poor Jason, he was “forced” to do these things. Why didn’t he quit his job and sue Klein THEN? Instead he went on a vacation with him in May 2009. He must have been so, so traumatized. Sorry, but no grown man can be forced to do things like this against his will. Who buys that? If it happened it happened because he too wanted it. How convenient that he sues Klein and claims these things now that Klein sued him first? But earlier they were best friends (and more, I suspect) and they made up lies about MJ together.

    Those two idiots. I wish they would leave MJ out of it.

  89. Suzy permalink
    July 25, 2011 10:59 pm

    Trial won’t feature unreleased Jackson footage

    By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer – 1 hour ago

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jurors in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case will not watch previously unseen footage from the singer’s final rehearsals to determine the state of his health before his death, a judge ruled Monday.

    Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor agreed with the characterization of a defense attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray that more than 100 hours of rehearsal footage condensed into the film “This Is It” did not show the singer in poor health.

    Pastor also agreed with attorneys for Sony Pictures Entertainment that the clips have significant value and should not be publicly shown without a good reason.

    “There is absolutely nothing in those materials that could have been of assistance to the defense,” Pastor said.

    The judge reviewed several hours of the footage last week then canceled plans to travel to Sony Studios over the weekend to finish watching the rest of the film that attorneys wanted to use during the upcoming trial of Murray.

    Sony filed a motion Friday citing comments by defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan calling the review of the footage a “big waste of time.”

    Murray’s attorneys wanted to show jurors four hours of film, while prosecutors wanted to show up to 12 hours.

    Deputy District Attorney David Walgren said the footage “demonstrated that Michael Jackson was optimistic, engaged, confident, physically well.”

    Pastor, who has ruled that snippets of the theatrical version of “This Is It” can be shown at trial, said it was unnecessary to show other clips.

    “There are materials which I viewed which I would regard as extremely valuable to Sony,” the judge said.
    The footage could be used later for extended versions of “This Is It.”

    Pastor warned Flanagan about speaking publicly about the case, scolding the veteran attorney for discussing evidence during a radio interview that won’t be presented to jurors.

    Jury selection is scheduled to begin on Sept. 8.
    Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

    Prosecutors accuse him of giving Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives in the bedroom of his rented mansion days before he was scheduled to travel to London for a series of comeback concerts.

    Defense attorneys have said Murray did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him.

    Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

  90. July 22, 2011 12:11 am

    It was initially the defence that wanted all those tapes from the rehearsals;to show that Michael was in such poor shape that it was expected he would die.Now it appears he was pretty good even on his bad days.Time to turn the tables again.And ask for a bit more postponement.

  91. July 21, 2011 11:19 pm

    “The prosecution had identified 12 hours of outtakes from the documentary “This Is It” as relevant evidence. The defense claims only four hours should be shown to jurors.”

    I envy the jurors.

  92. shelly permalink
    July 21, 2011 3:34 am

    I find that article funny

    Michael Jackson’s doctor wants jury sequestered, from Nancy Grace

    A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s personal physician said Wednesday that in light of the uproar surrounding the verdict in the recent Casey Anthony case, jurors in the doctor’s upcoming manslaughter trial should be sequestered round-the-clock, or at least “during the hours Nancy Grace is on TV.”

    The attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray told a judge he was concerned that biased commentary of the televised proceedings, set to begin Sept. 8, would affect the panel’s ability to render a fair verdict in the Jackson’s death.

    “I just think there is an overwhelming likelihood of contamination of the court’s control of evidence,” J. Michael Flanagan told Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor.

    The judge said the defense was free to file a formal motion for sequestration, but that he did not feel it was necessary and that in any case, the financially strapped court system could not afford it.

    Pastor, who said the O.J. Simpson case was the last time a county judge had sequestered a jury, said he would order jurors be kept away from the general public inside the courthouse but believed it “unhealthy” for panelists to be isolated for the entire trial, which is expected to last six weeks.

    Murray is accused of causing the pop icon’s 2009 death from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol. His defense contends Jackson gave himself a fatal overdose when the doctor was out of the room.

    In another development, Pastor said he would travel to Sony Pictures studios in Culver City to evaluate more than a dozen hours of footage of Jackson’s final rehearsals.

    The prosecution had identified 12 hours of outtakes from the documentary “This Is It” as relevant evidence. The defense claims only four hours should be shown to jurors.

  93. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 2:48 pm

    I don’t know if it was already posted, it’s about the civil cases

  94. June 9, 2011 5:13 pm

    “Now that Lloyds is in on it I hope some matters will be straightened out”.

    Kaarin, I hope so too.

  95. June 9, 2011 12:01 pm

    Thank you Chris for having pulled so much material together.Michael was in this hornets nest,surronded by shady characters and big money.It is strange that so much money was spent on the 50(!) concerts and the movie TII while no thought seems to have been given to the person, human being Michael Jackson who after all was to be the core and heart of all this expensive,(to say the least)hoopla.
    Since murray entered the scene his condition started to deteriorate bit by bit.
    It defies common sense. Even so his last rehearsal was said to be good.
    The strange requests put forward by murray at his trial and the judge allowing them surprises me.Murray is like a man banging his head against the wall in order for reality and truth to go away.
    Gatorgirl on From Atop The Giving Tree had a good blog, more or less proved that Michael was unconscious when the final Propofol was given. Murray is going to ask for postponements and getting them until someone testifies the way he wants.Now that Lloyds is in on it I hope some matters will be straightened out.
    Don´t worry over murray agreeing to do the unthinkable,he was in serious financial straights.

    ,murray´s accptance-he was in deep financial straights and that is why he accepted to do the unthinkable.

  96. Chris permalink
    June 9, 2011 12:11 am

    What I found interesting is that Lloyd’s claimed that they wanted info on Murray since December 09. Why wouldn’t AEG give them info if they got nothing to hide.
    Which is very interesting to me as MJ had 2 million left for advances right. 150,000 x 11 = 1,600,000 + equipment and doctors travel and living expenses.
    How did AEG know what to pay doctor when he wasn’t even in the picture yet?

    “Randy Phillips has said, that AEG advanced Jackson money to pay the doctor and had been negotiating to provide Murray a $150,000 monthly salary.” Didn’t negotiations start in April.

    I seen no other confirmation of advances other than in this contract in January.

    I also recently found out that Dr Conrad Murray house is in Red Rock county club aka sunrise colony, Partly owned by Colony Capital (this bit I Knew). What I didn’t know is that his practice at 2110 Flamingo Road 301 in Nevada was “Gaming entitled” by Station Casino’s. Go to LunaJo’s excellent recearched video at 14:11 she deserves the credit for the find.

    Meaning the address can be turned into a casino without special approvals. And who has a 75% share in Station Casino’s?

    Colony Capital.

    AEG controlled his earnings.
    CC had his practice and home.

    Some1 said what did Conrad Murray have to gain by Michael’s death? Maybe they asked the wrong question.
    What did he have to lose if he didn’t do what he was told?

    It’s all theory but interesting.

  97. June 8, 2011 10:02 pm

    I hope they really get AEG who was the major player and made those conntracts against Michael.This is an opportunity to get to those. They had forged signatures, signatures by fAX, and they made it big when Michael died.
    I have been looking at those conntracts of late.And it is great that Michael never paid murray, AEG did.And Thome-Thome is one Doe.The murray trial did not go anywhere. There is a pic. of him riding a plastic elephant in Disneyland and wawing happily.
    If they can clinch AEG the family really needs to sue seriously and get some tough legal help.
    Thome-Thome said he did not believe Michael could do even 1 show. Well had he not been driven to the the insane treatment by murray,but been taken care of properly he could have done 10 concerts to start with.AEG et Does made sure they will get big money no matter what.Michael was controlled and tortured to the end.
    Reading some older posts will give the full picture.Once the scam is exposed they can nolonger use murray to give him a slap on the wrist.

  98. Suzy permalink
    June 8, 2011 9:26 pm

    @ Alison

    What kind of browser you have? Because with Opera Radaronline never works for me either. But I could access and download the document through Internet Explorer.

  99. Alison permalink
    June 8, 2011 9:14 pm

    wow! thats unexpected, never thought about that. but i can’t access that link yet, maybe everyone is trying to, will try later.

  100. June 8, 2011 8:22 pm

    “Lloyds of London and underwriters will sue AEG and their Does 1-75, fictitious names of individuals and entities according to them”

    Kaarin, this is very encouraging news. If Lloyds of London sue AEG some information may transpire about the circumstances which preceded Michael’s death. I know that Lloyds are talking of Does 1-75 only but we have also noticed some fictitious individuals who were part of the AEG so-called “contract”. I hope AEG loses the case and has to pay millions.

  101. June 8, 2011 8:12 pm

    Now there might be some progress. Lloyds of London and underwriters will sue AEG and their Does 1-75;ficticious names of individuals and entities that are responsible in some manner for for events and happenings, acc to them.
    They also want information on murray.The insurance contract mentions illnesses and manner of deaths, but not homicide.MJ`s LLC is also mentioned.

  102. Kandid permalink
    June 8, 2011 5:18 pm

    An additional note: On June 25th, please don’t forget to say a prayer for Paris, Prince, and Blanket. A prayer for their well being, wisdom, and strength. Their toughest days may not be behind them. Someday they will be exposed to the hatred many in the media and internet have lodged against their father for decades.

    Okay. We have to agree to disagree. I respect your detailed argument. What MJ admitted to, what Janet said in a recent interview about him being in denial, and what Elizabeth Taylor witnessed is a lot harder to dispute. But the thing is, the issue doesn’t warrant a debate!!!! The only thing I want to spend my time on is doing my part to protect the integrity of MJ’s legacy, and his legacy is NOT his personal struggles or idiosyncrasies. It’s the man, father, son, brother, uncle, and lastly the Legend. We should continue his mission to improve the things he cared about most; the welfare of children, family, poverty, racial equality, etc.

  103. June 8, 2011 5:09 pm

    Okay. We have to agree to disagree. I respect your detailed argument. What MJ admitted to, what Janet said in a recent interview about him being in denial, and what Elizabeth Taylor witnessed is a lot harder to dispute. But the thing is, the issue doesn’t warrant a debate!!!! The only thing I want to spend my time on is doing my part to protect the integrity MJ’s legacy, and his legacy is NOT his personal struggles or idiosyncrasies. It’s the man, father, son, brother, uncle, and lastly the Legend. We should continue his mission to improve the things he cared about most; the welfare of children, family, poverty, racial equality, etc.

  104. June 8, 2011 4:27 pm

    Considering what happened to LMP when she went through a Scientology “detox” program in 1997 because of the breakup from MJ, it’s hypocritical of her to say much about MJ’s stay in hospital in 1995. She ended up in hospital because of it. In fact, anyone could say it was dangerous and the result of sycophants.

    Anyway, here’s the article from the doctor who treated him in 1995:

    Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson’s life after 1995 rehearsal collapse states that there were no drugs…(Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009)

    But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson’s life.”

    In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor’s Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”

    Alleyne didn’t believe it then.

    “I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,’” Alleyne recalled.

    He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring
    outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.

    “Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he’s one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.

    Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious,
    for Bill Alleyne to save his life.

    “Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”

    Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson’s doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor’s patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson’s emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.

    After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.
    “I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor’s mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.

    And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”

    Jackson’s entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn’t let me in.”
    Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.

    But the crush of people inside wasn’t over. The entourage of Jackson’s then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael’s sister.

    “Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,’” Alleyne recalled.

    Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine’s Children’s Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.

    “I’m gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”

    He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”

    Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson’s fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.

    “Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform.

    Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.

    Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson’s family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.

    After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson’s publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson’s people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.

    News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson’s condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.

    “Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”

    Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson’s doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.
    Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.

    “After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”

    Jackson’s entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.

    Near the end of Jackson’s hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”

    Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn’t such a good idea.”

    When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.
    “House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”

    In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson’s famous trademark dance.

    But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne’s every move.
    Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”

  105. Suzy permalink
    June 8, 2011 4:17 pm

    LMP hang out with the Jacksons a lot (I mean Katherine and the rest of the family), so perhaps it’s where she picked up the “addict” theme. Also Scientology is big on how you shouldn’t use medicine, so she may feel her religion to be justified by it.

  106. June 8, 2011 4:12 pm


    The Dr who treated Michael in December 1995 said there were no drugs in Michael’s system at all.

    So yes, I do think LMP is “lying” – or at least, using his addiction to justify why he distanced himself from her after she refused to have his babies.

  107. June 8, 2011 12:29 pm

    Lloyds of London and underwriters have entered the controversies and are refusing to pay the insurance to AEG,with their ficticious Doe 1-75,individuuals and entities responsible in some manner for events and happenings.
    To state it briefly ,they argue they are only responsible for ACCIDENTS.
    They do want to know about murray and care, and of course much more.This will be a complicated matter.I had difficulty getting the full contract up on screen, so I´ll leave this for now.

  108. June 8, 2011 9:41 am

    There is no doubt re the cause of death. Propofol went in by an intravenous injection,and a lot of it,as much as in major surgery.It was injected by another
    due to tubing setup and the rapid action of Propofol- he would have been unconsious before he had time to push in that amount.The drinking of propofol is beyond ridiculous.I have explained it in an earlier post under this headline.
    The Benzodiazepines had some effect,but in practice can be disregarded as the Propofol amount was so overwhelming.-There have been some suggestions that murray gave Michael enough, maybe around 2 am and left to his stripbar or whatever,returned around 6/29 am that morning and found Michael dead, srewed up the temperature started frenetic phonecalls, texting for hrs as alibi..,now this is just a hypothesis, nothing else.-Hair samples were taken postmortem from Michael. They will show drugs used during their growth.I am surprised that those results have not come out.Hair does grow microscopically and briefly after death.
    At this point there is no proof of addiction to painkillers.

  109. June 8, 2011 5:52 am

    Lisa M. Presley >>>>>> She’s lying too? Oprah? Family (Janet)? I loved…LOVE MJ. PLEASE don’t misunderstand where I am coming from.

  110. June 8, 2011 5:31 am

    First… thx for reading my blog, not many people do. LOL. But seriously, have you ever dealt with an addict. OMG. It is DEVASTING. It will keep you up at night crying until you can’t form tears. I’m serious. Yes, I’ve read the report. One report doesn’t cover it all though. Yes, they metaphorically hanged Michael. The media, shady businessmen, souless doctors, etc. The question that nobody wants to answer is….who provided the rope?????

  111. lcpledwards permalink
    June 8, 2011 5:11 am

    @ Kandid
    Thank you for your comment. Yes, your position isn’t popular, but the reason it’s not popular is because it flat out isn’t true! I know where you’re coming from, and I appreciate the compassionate way that you expressed yourself, but you have perpetuated one of the most pervasive falsehoods out there about MJ: that he was a “drug addict” who should have “sought help”. He was not addicted to painkillers or any other drugs, and this was CONFIRMED by the autopsy report, which stated that he was in good health. His desire for propofol was to use it to get sleep, not because he “demanded” it. It’s not even possible to become addicted to propofol because your body cannot become chemically dependent on it, and without a chemical dependance you cannot have withdrawal symptoms (which addicts suffer from when they don’t get their drugs.) I read what you wrote about MJ on your blog, and it it seems like you’re trying to pigeonhole him as a “drug addict”. Let me ask you this: did you read the autopsy report?

    I would respectfully suggest that you read the following posts for more information. Once again, thank you for expressing yourself in a positive, non-confrontational way. After reading the posts below, come back and let us know if you still feel the same way about MJ drug problems, and myself and the other readers of this blog will engage you in conversation in order to dispel any misconceptions you still have about MJ.

  112. June 8, 2011 4:07 am

    I know my position is not popular, but if’s fair. Just think of me as that “friend” MJ never had. A friend who loved him enough to suggest he had some culpability. If not in this manslaughter incident, he had a responsibility to get help for the pain addiction he admitted to in 93-94. He admitted he had a problem. Saught treatment. And it truly breaks my heart that he was not able to defeat his dependance on prescription medication. As a person who loves someone that abuses painkillers, I see this from a personal perspective.

  113. June 7, 2011 5:17 pm

    It took many years of many people of illwill to bring Michael to an almost untenable position. No way did Michael have the will to be slaughtered or murdered . The question of Free Will is complex and would need it´s own blog.

  114. June 7, 2011 12:08 pm

    kaarin22 I agree!!! Hindsight is 20/20, but who would have thought a doctor would be so reckless as to treat insomnia with Propofol? The drug has a history of abuse, but physicians abuse it, not everyday people. Murray had the obligation to save Michael from himself and he didn’t. Scratch that. ATTEMPT to save him. Nobody can save you but yourself. Even God gives you free will.

  115. June 7, 2011 10:58 am

    Where does the unlimited amount of money come from? And it is not only for the payment of lawyers and complex albeit unneccessary medical expriments, also for his disappearing debts.I strongly suspect
    you and many others suspect the same people and entities, but how to prove that? In the trial cards are stacked in favor of murray,he gets whatever he wants and the judge goes along.Murrays mysterious finances are off limits in the trial.Still they are one of the most significant factors.Murray is guilty,but it woudn´t have gone this far
    and this way if it was murray alone behind the homicide.

  116. June 6, 2011 8:16 pm

    He seems to have unlimited amounts of money for ridiculous and fruitless medical experiments. I guess he will learn a bit of medicine by way of all the microbiology,pharmacokinetics tests that he requests.This is beyond ridiculous. Apparently Murray enjoys his life and will ask for postponements into eternity.

    Kaarin, this unlimited amount of money is the most interesting part of it. I wonder where it comes from?

  117. June 4, 2011 4:27 pm

    I will briefly repeat the math. re Propofol found in stomach at autopsy;
    Total stomach content ie dark liquid 70 grams
    Total Propofol found in stomach content 0.13 milligrams
    Now calculate above into micrograms:
    70 grams = 70 000 000 micrograms
    0.13 milligrams =130 micrograms
    Propofol concentration in stoach content =130/70 000 000 micrograms.

  118. June 4, 2011 4:09 pm

    Now murray got postponement again.He just can´t stomach the fact that
    expert witness Dr.Stephen Shafer,anestesiologist stated that it is impossible that Michael died from drinking the Propofol.Among other tests he is still on the idea of veterinary medicine;that is having the pig drink Propofol.-It is just so simple-the Propofol went in i.v..He seems to have unlimited amounts of money for ridiculous and
    fruitless medical expriments.I guess he will learn a bit of medicine
    by way of all the microbiology,pharmacokinetics tests that he requests.This is beyond ridiculous. Apparenly murray enjoys his life and will ask for postponements into eternity.

  119. May 31, 2011 9:17 pm

    Giving Propofol as TREATMENT for insomnia ,without monitoring equipment was not illegal because nobody in their wildest dreams thouhgt anybody, and even less a MD would have the CRAZY IDEA of doing it at home.

  120. ZEROMARCY permalink
    May 9, 2011 9:12 pm

    guys sorry i missed some points: how do u know that jason and deirèe are in contact?

  121. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 7:17 pm

    “What is it that makes you think this man is telling the truth?”

    I never said I believe he is telling the truth, I believe he is lying, but I just want to have the whole story, that’s all.

  122. lynande51 permalink
    May 9, 2011 4:43 pm

    @ Shelley, The bottom of the story is that Jason Pfieffer is a liar. Of course he continues to propagate his story if he doesn’t he can be sued for slander and liable. He allowed the story to be published in August in the Australian Woman’s Day. Then about 9 months later he goes on E and speaks the words. It is wrong for anyone to think that Michael Jackson can’t be slandered because of his death. Michael Jackson was /is a persona. His reputation still has value as evidenced by how much he made after his death. Pfieffer told a story that is a lie a story intended to have a negative effect on Michael’s reputation, the very reputation that leads people to buy his records and his future music. That is slander and liable. If he doesn’t stick to his lie he can be sued for a lot of money and the whole thing started because he and Klein’s business manager are being investigated for fraud, and embezzlement for overbilling in Klein’s clinic. I don’t think I would want to believe that this man says anything close to the truth. What is it that makes you think this man is telling the truth? Is it because Desiree says that he is genuine and honest? Look at that source and then read his first comment on her board where he calls them nitwits. Nice guy. Good friend right. He only posted there because no one would read his blog otherwise. As for the link to Klein selling his car I can give you that, big deal. You know if you want to move on and read something more up to date do it, because the readers here don’t care about Klein or Pfieffer or Desiree. Go do your own research and be friends with him on Facebook we have more serious matters to discuss here.

  123. ZEROMARCY permalink
    May 9, 2011 11:33 am

    guys sorry i messed some points: how do u know that jason and deirèe are in contact?

  124. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 10:58 am

    It’s because I have with liars, I’d like to go to the bottom of that story.

  125. May 9, 2011 7:27 am

    Suzy, I guess it’s just the annoyance of it, that it is so obviously a lie, you know?

    It’s like Matt Fiddes and Susan Etok and Mark Lester… such obvious lies and how shameless they are with it and that makes it even worse in a way, like they can get away with such blatant lying in public about someone like MJ and nobody tries to catch them out on it.

  126. May 9, 2011 7:21 am

    How is it Jason & Desiree found one another?

    Vermin generally live in the same area, don’t they? They recognize each other well.

    I thought he and Klein were in fear of their lives from the ferocious Jackson Fans?

    LOL exactly, and now he wants to write a book, sure the MJ fans won’t be sending death threats over that, and if he does get published (doubtful), about his assocations with pedophile believers.


    You should screencap. If you have MSPaint you should be able to.

  127. Suzy permalink
    May 9, 2011 7:20 am

    @ Shelly

    Of course, you do whatever you want, but I don’t know why you bother yourself with this story so much. It’s so obviously made up and a lie. Why waste your time on it?

  128. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 6:58 am

    He added me as a frirnd on his facebook. There are too many info, like when Klein tried to sell his car on ebay he had a link for it on his facebook. There lots of talk about having to deal with TMZ way before MJ died. They both told Levine, in October 2009, they went out of town with Arnie’s boyfriend in May the same year. On his facebook, in May 2009,he said he was on holidays with Klein and his boyfriend. There are lots of others stuff like that.


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