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Someone to Monitor Me

February 8, 2011

Less than a week after Michael Jackson died, after allegedly suffering “cardiac arrest,” CNN’s Drew Griffin interviewed Nurse Practitioner Cherilyn Lee.  The world was still reeling and Michael’s family and investigators in LA were still sleeping when, at 7:15 a.m., the public first heard the word Propofol.  Nurse Lee identified Propofol and speculated it may have caused Michael’s death.

Michael met Nurse Lee and had her recommend vitamins and nutritional supplements.  She was familiar with his insomnia and had once assessed his bedroom for levels of stimuli and sleep patterns.  But in April 2009, Michael asked her to help him find an anesthesiologist to monitor him.  He then told her about Propofol, which he claimed was the only thing that ever worked to provide instantaneous sleep.  He described the drug as being administered intravenously and said that he would fall asleep as soon as he received the first drop.  When she asked him who administered the drug, he said that a doctor gave it to him “a long time ago.”  After consulting with her Physician’s Desk Reference – a comprehensive volume that provides a detailed description of drugs, their side effects, and contraindications – she warned Michael that the drug was dangerous and that she feared if he took it he would not wake up.  Michael’s response, after she voiced her concerns, demonstrates why Dr. Conrad Murray’s conduct in monitoring his patient was reckless and, at the least, constitutes manslaughter.

Michael told Lee, “I need to have somebody here to just monitor me.  If somebody stay (sic) here and monitor me with this IV then I would be okay.  I would be okay because they’re gonna be here twenty-four hours or twelve hours to monitor me so I could sleep eight hours.”  Drew Griffin aptly predicted, “Half the people watching this are not going to believe you.  They are going to think this woman is just seeking fame.”  When asked why she was speaking out now, she responded, “I’m coming forward because the more I watch the news and the more they kept saying drugs and I’m thinking, ‘This is not drugs.’  It wasn’t the drugs they’re saying; the Demerol, it wasn’t that.  He kept saying he wanted to have somebody there that could watch him and medically supervise him.  That’s what [Michael] said.”

Nurse Lee’s reiteration of Michael’s words show (1) he had not taken Propofol in many years and (2) he understood that when given the drug, he needed to be monitored.  With that as a background, Murray’s defense that Michael was a drug addict who, in the absence of his physician, self-administered the fatal dose, is quite thin.

On June 27, 2009, robbery-homicide police officers Orlando Martinez and Scott Smith interviewed Dr. Conrad Murray in the presence of his attorneys, Michael Peña and Ed Chernoff.  Since Dr. Murray failed to keep any records of his treatment of Mr. Jackson, unless he testifies at trial, his statement to these police officers may be the only evidence giving insight into that treatment.

According to the recorded conversation, Murray first met Mr. Jackson in 2006 through a patient’s son.  He was referred not as a cardiologist, but merely because Jackson needed a physician.  Murray subsequently treated Jackson’s children for flu while they lived in Las Vegas.  Dr. Murray told Martinez that he received a phone call from Michael’s personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, requesting that he treat Mr. Jackson for the upcoming concerts in London.  Mr. Jackson then personally called Murray and asked that he join the tour.  Murray was elated.

Dr. Murray said that for a little over two months before June 2009, he had been treating Mr. Jackson, assisting him to sleep by administering Propofol every night.  Murray would first give an injection to get Mr. Jackson to sleep and, with an IV drip of 50 milligrams of Propofol, keep him under.  According to Murray, fifty milligrams per night was the maximum dosage Murray administered.

At various points throughout the interview, Dr. Murray told Martinez that Mr. Jackson had developed a dependency on Propofol.  As a result, Murray decided to try to wean him off, and introduce other agents.  Beginning three days before Mr. Jackson died, Murray administered Lorazepam and Midazolam instead of Propofol.

A common side effect of Midazolam is a change in respiration.  On autopsy, doctors discovered that Michael Jackson had an undiagnosed reduced lung capacity.  Before changing Michael’s medical regimen, Dr. Murray should have, at the very least, conducted a physical to determine if the medications he was first prescribing were appropriate for his patient.

On June 25th, Murray arrived at the Carolwood residence around 12:50 a.m. and went to Mr. Jackson’s bedroom.  Mr. Jackson arrived around 1:00 a.m.  They had a brief discussion as to how rehearsals went that night.  Mr. Jackson then took a shower.

Dr. Murray then began using an IV for hydration.  He administered Valium orally.  Using a syringe through the IV port, at 2:00 am he administered two milligrams of Lorazepam, diluted with saline, over the course of two to three minutes.

Mr. Jackson remained awake for another hour, so at 3:00 a.m., Dr. Murray introduced two mgs. of Diazepam in the same manner he administered the Midazolam.

Around 3:20 a.m., Mr. Jackson fell asleep for – according to Murray’s watch – 10 to 12 minutes.  Dr. Murray turned down the lights, turned on the music, and suggested that Mr. Jackson meditate.  Mr. Jackson said he would have to cancel his rehearsal because he could not sleep.  Dr. Murray then administered Midazolam; it did not work.

At 5:00 a.m. Murray administered two milligrams of Lorazepam.  Still unable to sleep, Mr. Jackson again complained that he would have to cancel rehearsal. Mr. Jackson confided that he was under a great deal of pressure about cancellations.  Dr. Murray administered two milligrams of diazepam at 7:30 a.m., but Mr. Jackson remained awake.

Still awake at 10:00 a.m., Mr. Jackson began asking for “milk,” allegedly his name for Propofol.  Doctors have nicknamed the drug, “Milk of Amnesia.”  According to Dr. Murray, he relented and administered Propofol at 10:40 or 10:50 a.m.  Murray gave half the normal dose, saying he administered only 25 milligrams over 25 minutes.  It was simply an injection to put Mr. Jackson to sleep, and then a slow drip to keep him asleep.  According to Murray, he was looking at his watch and Mr. Jackson fell asleep around 11:00 am.  Murray said that he monitored Mr. Jackson for a while, until he felt comfortable with Mr. Jackson’s condition; he then left the patient.

According to Murray, he went to relieve himself in the restroom in Mr. Jackson’s bedroom.  Dr. Murray said he was gone approximately two minutes.  After Dr. Murray returned from his two-minute absence, he was stunned to see that Mr. Jackson was not breathing.

Once he noticed that Mr. Jackson was not breathing, Murray started chest compressions and performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.  Mr. Jackson was still on the bed.  The 6-foot 5-inch, 220-pound Murray was unable to move Jackson – who, according to the autopsy report, weighed 136 pounds – to the floor by himself.  Murray described that he had one hand under Mr. Jackson’s back – supporting his back – and the other hand on top of his chest.  At this point in time, Dr. Murray explained that he did not call 911 because he was caring for his patient and did not want to interrupt it.  Had he made that call, the 911 operator would have asked what this was all about; responding to the operator’s questions would have interfered with Murray’s care.

The irony about Murray’s concern with the 911 operator’s interference is self-evident when one considers that Murray’s timeline has been totally undermined by his phone records.

On June 25, 2009, Dr. Murray had two cellular phones – one with AT&T service and the other with Sprint/Nextel service.  Therefore, prosecutors had two phone company witnesses detail Murray’s extensive telephone use while Mr. Jackson lay dying.

Harry Dhaliwal, an AT&T employee, discussed Murray’s cell phone activity on June 25th, 2009.  Beginning at 12:04 am and continuing every hour, on the hour until 6:04 am, Murray received data.  In addition, at 6:25 a.m., 9:00 a.m., 9:11 a.m., 10:26 a.m., 12:03 p.m., 12:04 p.m., 12:53 p.m. and 1:23 p.m., Murray received or sent a text message.  He received data at 7:03 a.m., 7:20 a.m., 8:14 a.m., 8:35 a.m., 8:54 a.m., 10:04 a.m., 10:15 a.m., 10:24 a.m., 12:13 p.m., 12:18 p.m. and 2:19 p.m.

In addition, he had several phone calls on June 25th, 2009:

  • 9:23 a.m. incoming call lasts 22 minutes (Bioni)
  • ·10:29 a.m. incoming call lasts 22 minutes[1]
  • ·11:07 a.m. incoming call lasts 1 minute (Ruggles)
  • ·11:18 a.m. incoming call lasts 32 minutes (Global Cardiovascular)[2]
  • ·11:26 a.m. incoming call lasts 24 minutes (Russell)
  • ·11:49 a.m. outgoing call lasts 3 minutes
  • ·11:51 a.m. outgoing call lasts 11 minutes (Anding)
  • ·12:12 p.m. outgoing call lasts 1 minute
  • ·12:15 p.m. outgoing call lasts 1 minute

Jeff Strohm is a custodian of records for Sprint/Nextel.  He detailed the phone calls Murray made from that phone:

  • ·7:01 a.m. outgoing call lasts 25 seconds (Butler)
  • ·8:49 a.m. incoming call lasts 53 seconds (Guild)
  • ·10:22 a.m. incoming call lasts 111 seconds (Dr. Prechad)
  • ·10:34 a.m. outgoing call lasts 8 ½ minutes (Ruggles)
  • ·11:26 a.m. incoming call lasts seven seconds (Morgan)
  • ·1:08 p.m. outgoing call lasts 2 minutes (Alvarez)

Further undermining Dr. Murray’s timeline was testimony by Stephen Marx, a computer forensic examiner.  He conducted an examination of Dr. Murray’s iPhone, which was recovered on July 28, 2009, to track when Dr. Murray reviewed incoming or created outgoing data.

Mr. Marx recovered a 5:54 a.m. incoming e-mail, with the greeting of “Hi Conrad,” with signature, Bob Taylor, of Bob Taylor’s Insurance of London.  The e-mail specifically inquired about Mr. Jackson’s health.  Mr. Taylor also needed to confirm that Dr. Murray was the only physician consulted during that period, and that his records dated back to 2006 when he first met Mr. Jackson.  Conrad Murray responded to Mr. Taylor’s e-mail at 11:17 a.m.  In a lengthy e-mail, Dr. Murray denied Taylor access to Michael’s medical records.  Murray wrote, however, that press reports about Michael’s health were false to say the least.

The most fateful call was one made to Sade Anding.  Anding was a cocktail waitress that Murray met in Texas.  He had begun referring to her as his girlfriend.  Murray called her at 11:51 a.m. and began telling her how things were going.  According to Anding, “Then I cut him off and I started talking.  I said, ‘Well, let me tell you about my day.’”  At some point, she realized, “He wasn’t on the phone no more.” “There was commotion – I heard noise as though the phone was in his pocket.  I heard coughing and mumbling.  It went on about five minutes.” She said, “hello, hello, hello.  Are you there?  Are you there?”  She received no response.  “I called and called and texted him and never heard back.”  She did not believe the mumbling she heard came from Murray.

In a February 3, 2011, interview, responding to how she felt when she heard that Mr. Jackson had died, Ms. Anding said, “It made me sad.  I felt like it was my fault.  But I really felt like, if [Murray] wouldn’t have called me, then maybe all that stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened.”

The most astonishing aspect of Anding’s testimony is that she heard mumbling that did not come from Murray.  This suggests that Mr. Jackson may indeed have been alive at 11:56 a.m., yet Murray did not request that anyone summon help from medical professionals until 12:21 p.m., twenty-five minutes later.  Once called, paramedics were on scene within four minutes.  Considering responding paramedic Richard Senneff’s testimony that his team had successfully revived patients who had been “down” for fifteen minutes, Murray’s delay was lethal.

The testimony of Strohm and Dhaliwal is relevant for several reasons, the most important of which was the fact that Murray was taking phone calls, communicating with his office, his girlfriends and former patients when he was being paid to watch Michael Jackson sleep.  In the period between 1:30 a.m., when he began treatment, and approximately 12:00 p.m., when he discovered his patient was not breathing, Murray spent three hours on phone calls, with the heaviest call activity beginning at 10:29 a.m.  Considering Senneff’s testimony that Mr. Jackson may have been dead for up to one hour before his 12:26 p.m. arrival, Murray’s phone records, which show three overlapping phone calls at 11:26 a.m., demonstrate unequivocally that Murray was not paying attention to his patient in the last moments of his life.  The records are relevant for one other outstanding reason; none of Murray’s numerous calls was to 911.

Mr. Jackson was pronounced at 2:26 p.m. at UCLA medical center.  According to the autopsy report, Mr. Jackson suffered “respiratory arrest” while under his physician’s care.

Conrad Murray has been charged with involuntary manslaughter, which, under California Penal Code 192(b) is defined as an unlawful killing that takes place:

  1. during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or
  2. during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or circumspection.

In response to the charges, his attorneys will be mounting a defense that (1) Michael Jackson was a drug addict and (2) that while Conrad Murray was out of the room, Michael Jackson self-administered Propofol, resulting in an overdose.

Many will recall Ed Chernoff’s initial diatribe that Murray did not know what other drugs Michael was taking.  Problematic with the addict theory is that, according to the toxicology report, Propofol, Lidocaine, Lorazepam, Midazolam, Nordiazepam and Diazepam – all drugs prescribed and administered by Murray – were found in Jackson’s blood samples.  No other drugs were found.  Therefore, the first defense is a dead end.

Murray’s attorneys must have mounted the second defense – that of Jackson self administering Propofol – once the phone records demonstrated that Murray did not leave his patient alone for two minutes as he told police investigators.  But, as the records show, Murray spent up to two hours on the phone before discovering Michael in distress.

According to Murray, Michael Jackson told him that while treating with other physicians, he had “pushed” the IV line into his veins.  Even if he had inserted the IV line on previous occasions, that does not change the fact that a physician always monitored him.  Indeed, for Murray to be acquitted, his attorneys would have to convince a jury that a man who understood how Propofol worked, who had stated on other occasions that he knew he needed to be monitored while using the drug, would have self-administered the medication while the doctor he was paying $150,000 per month to watch him was chatting with girlfriends, business associates and other patients.

To advance such a defense, Dr. Murray would have to take the stand.  If he takes the stand, he will have to explain (1) why he didn’t keep medical records, (2) why he didn’t perform a physical examination before administering new medication to his patient, (3) why he did not understand the dangers in combining benzodiazepines with Propofol, and (4) why he delayed in calling for help.  Then, Murray will have to find other doctors willing to admit that Michael Jackson self-administered Propofol in their presence.  This, of course, is a double-edged sword for the defense; even if they can elicit testimony about self-administration, the defense team is highly unlikely to find a doctor who will say that he, too, left the patient unmonitored while under sedation.

Should he take the stand, Murray’s conduct in hiding, destroying and concealing evidence may prove to be the most damning evidence against him.

About 12:17 p.m. on June 25th, security guard Alberto Alvarez received a phone call from Michael Amir Williams during which he was told to go to the house.  Alvarez noticed Dr. Murray standing at the top of the stairs, but leaning over the railing.  Alvarez raced upstairs and saw Murray walking towards Michael Jackson’s room.

When he first walked into the bedroom, Mr. Jackson was flat on his back with his hands to the side and his eyes and his mouth were wide open.  Alvarez then asked Dr. Murray what happened.  Dr. Murray said, “He had a reaction!  He had a reaction!” Alvarez was frozen.  He surveyed the scene and noticed that Murray had grabbed a handful of bottles from a nightstand.  Murray then instructed Alvarez to put them into a bag.  After the bottles and vials had been cleared from the room, Murray instructed Alvarez to remove the IV bag.  At the bottom of the IV bag was a milk-like substance.  Alvarez does not know what happened to the IV bag.  Once everything was cleared away, Murray told Alvarez to call 911.  Obviously, Dr. Murray’s actions delayed emergency treatment by paramedics.

Paramedic, Richard Senneff described a similar scene.  After administering emergency care at the home, on Murray’s orders, Mr. Jackson was to be transferred to the hospital. Mr. Jackson was placed on a gurney and all of the attached equipment was taken to the ambulance.  Senneff returned to the bedroom to make sure that he had all of his equipment.  While there, he observed Murray standing on the far side of the bed and, using a white plastic trashbag, picking things up.  Senneff was not looking hard enough to see what Murray picked up.

Given Murray’s elusive conduct, is it too far a stretch to suggest that he could have used Michael’s postmortem hand to place fingerprints on syringes and medicine bottles found at the scene?  In either case, Murray will have to explain what he did from approximately 11:56 a.m. – when Sade Anding heard mumbling and coughing – and 12:17 p.m. when Alberto Alvarez arrived.

Regardless of which aspect of Dr. Murray’s treatment is examined, it all falls short and is the very epitome of a lawful act committed without due caution or circumspection.


[1] This telephone call occurred during the time Murray claims he was administering Propofol to Mr. Jackson.

[2] It is unclear how this call lasted as long as the records reflect when other calls overlapped.

284 Comments leave one →
  1. sanemjfan permalink
    April 20, 2012 4:20 pm

    Here is an article about Propofol that mentions MJ and Conrad Murray.

    Michael Jackson did not die because propofol is a bad or dangerous drug, but because it was never meant to be used in this manner. Murray may have allowed Jackson’s status and wealth to push him out of his professional comfort zone (and well outside the boundaries of good medical practice) to administer propofol. He used it without appropriate training or experience, without vigilance, and without basic resuscitation equipment. And he discovered, in the hardest way possible, that the safe administration of anaesthetic drugs isn’t as easy as it looks.

    http://blog.oup.com/2012/04/propofol-anaesthetic-michael-jackson/comment-page-1/

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  2. kaarin22 permalink
    March 31, 2012 1:19 am

    By the time it was more or less certain that Michael had died of a massive overdose of Propofol.I wish she would have been adamant that he seek help from a sleep specialist at a University hospital.Cause of death was proven without doubt at the trial by Dr, Shafer,There was a sense that Michael did not feel quite comfortable with Dr. Murray, and correctly so.
    What prevented a turnaround re MJ´s treatment was many matters, most of all the sudden increase in shows that he complained about to Randy Phillips who mocked him for it. And not only did Murray lack all safety equpment in this very extremely unothodox ,unethical type of “treatment”, Also he just failed to pay due attention to his one and only patient.
    It seems everything was carelessly left to the last minute. And the nasty riot act read to an allready overstressed Michael

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  3. March 7, 2012 2:42 am

    Before any anesthesia, before surgery if more than removing a minute mole,before giving or prescribing medication with notable side-effects,a informed consent is needed.
    When minors are hospitalized and /or medicated on an in pt unit;In this case,any case ,requested by parent or anyone with appropriate interest is reviewed by a judge. In fact the Judge and his personell may come to the hospital which has a specific court-room, much like a small movie theathre , to hear cases every second week.In child-psych. you are more often than not, pretty much out of necessity, giving
    meds off label. This is because no trials on minors would ever be approved.They had to be medically indicated though and universally recognized in the field.There are a few psych.meds with indication for minors.
    So before any intervention of the nature that Murray did a written consent including exact risks of proceedure is necessary.He only reassured Michael as far as I know.Michael never signed a contract-that had to do with pay.AEG did pay him some,they ought to have asked about the form for informed consent.
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  4. appleh permalink
    September 24, 2011 8:00 pm

    @suzy, thank you so much, I am not familar with american abbreviations !!!

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  5. Suzy permalink
    September 24, 2011 7:30 pm

    WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
    DUI = driving under influence

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  6. appleh permalink
    September 24, 2011 6:51 pm

    Why do they call juror # 108 a “wesp” and what is DUI ? Sorry for my question, but I want to understand it all !

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  7. Suzy permalink
    September 24, 2011 12:47 pm

    Murray trial starts next Tuesday. Here are the jurors:

    Conrad Murray Jurors
    The Low Down

    TMZ has obtained the questionnaires from the jurors who were selected to sit in judgement of Dr. Conrad Murray in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. Here are some highlights.

    Juror #127 Mexican-American female, 54 years old, property manager, she has a daughter who was an alcohol and drug user 5 years ago, and she thinks famous people — notably Paris, Britney and Lindsay — are treated differently in court. She loved MJ’s music as a girl.

    Juror #145 White male, 45, partner in management consulting firm, wife is pediatric nurse at a hospital, he’s served twice on a jury before (murder and rape cases), watched “This is It” on Netflix.

    Juror #61 White female, 57, unemployed, worked in past for Red Cross, divorced, listens to NPR, followed the OJ Simpson cases, her younger brother uses drugs, served 5 times on a jury.

    Juror #70 White male, 54, college professor of animation and art, created characters for motion pictures at Disney, followed OJ trial, convicted of DUI, thinks celebs are not treated the same by police and can bend rules. MJ fan.

    Juror #44 Cuban/Mexican-White, watches History Channel, Pawn Stars, Sons of Anarchy and Modern Family, listens to Howard Stern, family members with alcohol addiction, served on a civil jury, fan of MJ, especially Thriller.

    Juror #49 White female, 43, head of communications for international marketing firm, watches NCIS and Hawaii Five-0, and motor sports/speed channel, worked in medical marketing, juror in criminal child sexual abuse case involving incest, does not think cops are more lenient with celebs.

    Juror #100 white female, 48, paralegal for 30 years, watches Big Brother, Survivor, Amazing Race, watched Casey Anthony trial, brother is an EMT, people of wealth and fame treated differently in court system.

    Juror #52 Mexican male, 51, USPS letter carrier, watches Law and Order, wife is back-office medical assistant, fan of MJ.

    Juror #99 Hispanic male, 42, school bus driver, father was addicted to alcohol, father-in-law died from alcohol abuse, served on a jury, MJ fan.

    Juror #38 Hispanic female, 36, customer service rep, filed for bankruptcy, listens to Ryan Seacrest on radio, watched Casey Anthony trial because it involved a child, former employer is a doctor, father was an absent alcoholic, shot in a drive-by shooting in 1993, on a DUI jury, MJ fan.

    Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who’s a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.

    Juror #108 male “Wasp,” 32, book seller, watches So You Think You Can Dance, Project Runway, girlfriend, in U.S. Army National Guard, grandparents attended AA, brother got DUI recently, thrown from a horse once, juror in civil trial, trained actor, MJ fan.

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  8. September 23, 2011 12:12 am

    Board-certified anesthesiologist Dr. Barry Friedberg In Session Interview video with Ryan Smith.

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  9. shelly permalink
    September 8, 2011 6:21 am

    Dr Friedberg on the Conrad Murray trial

    http://www.mj-777.com/?p=8460

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  10. September 1, 2011 4:57 pm

    Just wonder how come Dr,Klein employed Pfeiffer,why this choice for office employ´e?

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  11. shelly permalink
    September 1, 2011 2:52 am

    Something that might explain the Pfeiffer problem

    http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Angeles/khilji-pfeiffer-llc/47602054.aspx

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  12. shelly permalink
    August 24, 2011 3:46 am

    This is a link that Teva gave me, it’s the legal document for Murray’s trial

    https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51

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  13. August 11, 2011 2:45 pm

    Murray needs the PR firm to free him of all responsibility for Michaels death.They don´t care how it will be done, how much it will cost (thats taken care of by (SOME).The media just goes along in tandem.
    It has crossed my mind that SOME may be married to the Jackson family or at least betrothed.Maybe, and to some Jacksons, not LaToya.though her statements to the contrary remain nebulous.

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  14. Suzy permalink
    August 11, 2011 7:38 am

    If the defense has to rely on witnesses like Pfeiffer, they are in big trouble. It’s obvious he has an axe to grind against Klein and the prosecution will gladly point that out. As well as his lies about being Michael’s lover.

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  15. Teva permalink
    August 11, 2011 6:29 am

    @shelly “I am wondering how Pfeiffer is going to handle cross examination after all his previous statement and his inability to answer questions from a tabloid reporter without contradicting himself.”

    That will be the best part. That’s gravy :)

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  16. shelly permalink
    August 11, 2011 4:32 am

    Why did they allow them to speak about MJ’s addiction. A few months ago, they canceled the Patrick Treacy interview, I don’t understand that.

    I am wondering how Pfeiffer is going to handle cross examination after all his previous statement and his inability to answer questions from a tabloid reporter without contradicting himself.

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  17. lynande51 permalink
    August 11, 2011 2:17 am

    Why would he ask for someone when he already had someone? Did Pfeiffer even ever meet Michael Jackson? Jason Pfeiffer apparently doesn’t get it. When the defense questions him so does the DA and the police I don’t think that he wants that to happen. I know he has hear of perjury.

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  18. Susan permalink
    August 11, 2011 1:50 am

    Jason Pfeiffer is a defence witness, claiming Michael asked him to find him an anesthesiologist in June 2009. Yet Murray claims he was giving Michael propofol the 6 weeks prior to his death. Did Michael even know what Murray was doing to him? Is Pfeiffer lying about Michael asking him about propofol too (besides his claim of being Michael’s “boyfriend”?)

    http://www.ksat.com/nationalnews/28819738/detail.html

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  19. Anna permalink
    August 11, 2011 1:03 am

    @Julie

    I agree. I think alot of the big name T.V hosts probably have an assistant moderating what comments & e-mails they will see. They probably only see the positive e-mails, I doubt they see any of the factual e-mails from us. How else could they be so out of touch with the factual reality here? Unless, they really are part of a concerted effort to defame Michael, I just have my doubts that it’s so cut and dry. I think it’s possible that the media machine against Michael is clouding the judgement of people both in the media and in the public against Michael. Someone who lives in a bubble like these big name T.V hosts seem particulalry vulnerable too it, (note: that ins’t an excuse just an observation)

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  20. August 11, 2011 12:44 am

    There is this concerted effort to FREE MURRAY.Because if he ends up in jail he will talk.No money is spared in the effort to free murray from suspicion,guilt and homicide. If he ends up in jail he will talk, something to be avoided at any cost, no amount of $$$ is too much.
    Some would be very sorry if he talked.

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  21. August 10, 2011 11:26 pm

    Here is an article from “Justice for Some” blog : Shame on You Dr. Drew http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.com/2011/08/shame-on-you-dr-drew.html
    (please go to it to see the screen shots of some segments of the conversation).

    The comments are also very good. One of them is giving an email for writing comments on the show:
    http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?124

    Tuesday, August 9, 2011
    Shame on You Dr. Drew

    I like Dr. Drew Pinksy. I watched Celebrity Rehab for many seasons, and think he genuinely cares about his patients. So when Pinsky’s show on HLN entitled Did Michael Jackson’s Doctor Cross the Line?, I watched it, believing that because Pinsky is a doctor, he would at least be semi-fair to Jackson’s condition at the time of death. I was wrong.

    1. Only a few minutes into the first segment, Dr. Drew accuses Michael Jackson of being a drug addict. Pinsky really needs to take a look at the autopsy report, which states: [screen-shot]

    The summary of the toxicology reports that only Lidocaine, Propofol and Lorazepam were in Jackson’s system at the time of death. Lorazepam was in extremely minute quantities in the blood. Lorazepam is a benzodiazepine. From the DEA: “the benzodiazepine family of depressants is used therapeutically to produce sedation, induce sleep, relieve anxiety and muscle spasms, and to prevent seizures. In general, benzodiazepines act as hypnotics in high doses, anxiolytics in moderate doses, and sedatives in low doses.”

    There were no opiates (painkillers) in Jackson’s system at the time of death. Lorazepam, as stated by the DEA, in low doses is used as a SEDATIVE. Jackson clearly was under pressure with the This Is It tour coming up and suffered from insomnia in times of stress and anxiety.

    2. Pinsky then brings in the now disbarred Brian Oxman (pssst Dr. Drew, did you know that? Oxman cannot practice law anymore!) and Dr. Deepak Chopra.
    Pinsky goes directly for Dr. Chopra’s often told story that Chopra once talked to Jackson about addiction, and consequently, Jackson kicked Chopra out of his inner circle.

    Is it just me, or is this completely attacking Michael Jackson and whether he was a drug addict or not? We all know and we’ve all heard Oxman’s stories of how Michael was an addict, spinning out of control. However, the AUTOPSY REPORT SAYS DIFFERENTLY, and I’d take the word of a physician over Oxman any day of the week. (Actually, I’d take just about anyone’s word over Oxman’s, but that’s a different story.)

    Pinsky then moves to the 2005 trial, and shows video footage of Michael entering the courthouse in pajamas. Of course, Oxman goes on his schpeel about how addicted Michael was, blah, blah, blah.

    After the commerical, Pinksy brings out his next guest, Dr. Sandheep Kapoor, who was found not guilty in the Anna Nicole Smith trial. Kapoor was one of Smith’s doctors.

    At the end of the segment, here are what Kapoor and Pinsky have to say [screen-shot]

    Kapoor seemingly sides with Conrad Murray!

    The headline for this story was Did Michael Jackson’s Doctor Cross the Line? Never once did anyone talk about Conrad Murray, not once. Pinsky did mention that propofol should never be given in a home setting, but then mentions addiction problems with propofol. Pinsky did not mention that Murray left Jackson UNATTENDED AND WITHOUT A MONITOR to talk on the phone.

    Dr. Drew, I am seriously disappointed in you. Michael Jackson has millions of fans who would be EAGER to supply you with information we have gathered over the past two years.

    A warning to the media who plan to attack Michael Jackson rather than focus on the issue at hand. That issue is that there were no significant drugs found in Jackson’s system at the time of death other than PROPOFOL. The LA coroner himself stated that it would be impossible for Jackson to self-inject. Conrad Murray administered propofol in a home setting, without monitoring or staying by Jackson’s side. That is the issue, and that is what is going to send Conrad Murray to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

    Posted by Michael Jackson: And Justice for Some at 5:50 PM

    9 comments:

    lmt said…
    And I believe the airing on 8/9/11 was even worse. I have not seen it yet but Drew said Michael wore a mask to cover a hole in his nose and bleached his skin. Opened the show asking Who was Michal Jackson, freak, addict or idol?
    August 9, 2011 7:40 PM

    Anonymous said…
    I just watched the show..Completely slanted .When Dionne Warwick son said he never saw mj drugged ,just eccentric..and mentioned the media slanted the coverage during trial and mj was innocent, he was cut off..I noticed that Oxman was introduced as one of mj lawyers at trial which is just almost laughable..HOWEVER..it was Dionne son, not oxman that pointed out MJ was innocent …some lawyer, no wonder Mesereau sh@tcanned him…He is a waste of space..
    August 9, 2011 7:56 PM

    Gunngirl said…
    I would love to write to Dr. Drew, can’t seem to find a decent address though. It is sad a DOCTOR can’t even get these facts straight, and for these people to present this stuff on the air without having all the facts that even his fans can find and is ridiculous.

    People like Dr. Drew and Oprah give Michael a bad name, because these high profile names put out this stuff and regular people are going to listen and believe because they aren’t interested in their own research. Why isn’t Murray being condemned? Yes, Michael was in the wrong too, but that’s it? he is already dead isn’t he punished enough?

    Everyone loves to scream he’s a drug addict. If he was found in a crack house with a needle in his arm, yes, but he was in his home trusting his doctor to his care and no one blames the Doctor! I suppose if he died having an angioplasty people would say he woke up and began to dictate surgery on himself, asking for the wrong procedure and thus committed suicide. Anything to blame Michael.
    August 9, 2011 8:00 PM

    june said…
    @Gunngirl, you can go to CNN’s contact page, scroll down a bit for the HLN shows, where there is a selection box for Dr. Drew’s program. I just left a comment at that location. These comments are not published and it is stated they go directly to the recipient. I used to respect Dr. Drew’s opinions, however, since the Casey Anthony trial, I find him to be no better than Velez Mitchell, Nancy Grace, and all the others who are too lazy to seek out the truth preferring to poison their reporting with personal judgments and distortions. In Drew’s case, he should know better.
    August 9, 2011 8:28 PM

    elke hassell said…
    what really pissed me off further was the fact that Drew’s show came in two segments, the second segment being the issue with Michael Jackson and Dr. Murray, The first half was regarding the Jeffs’s case and primary was about child molestation, where Dr. Drew mentioned that Jeffs was molesting girls as young as 13 years of age and EVEN young boys.

    You call this another coincidence guys!!!!

    I don’t think so. Its high time we write to the station and Dr. Drew
    The hate and lies on Michael continue, I believe you saw absolute proof of that tonight.
    We need to be his voice now and stop the continued slander of Michael Jackson.
    August 9, 2011 11:12 PM

    elke hassell said…
    http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?124
    this is the email site for comments on the show, I just send an email, and also send a tweet to Dr. Drew. I think some of you should do the same. Lets stop this slandering, we are the voice now, let us be heard!
    August 9, 2011 11:59 PM

    SandyK said…
    I’ve encountered this kind of attitude around me, whether it be family or coworkers, that when the subject of Michael’s death comes up, almost all blame Michael as if Murray didn’t exist. This is what mainstream media has been doing to Michael all his life and after his death. I’m appalled with Dr. Drew and his total lack of knowledge on this subject or even attempt at looking at the issue in a none biased way. It’s as if the autopsy report didn’t exist. It’s as if the facts didn’t matter. And to go back to the 2005 trial and pull out one image as if that prooved anything is beyond words. Is it just me or is there an “Alice In Wonderland” quality to all this? I do very much hope and pray that when the trial finally starts and a jury is seated that the truth will eventually come out. As in the 2005 trial, or any trial, those jury members will be the only members of the public or media that will see the real facts in the case and be tasked to judge events based on those facts and not the slanted opinions of those such as Dr. Drew, Nancy Grace or Brian Oxman.
    August 10, 2011 4:29 AM

    Sue Adams said…
    The song “Scream” is getting more and more of a daily/weekly occurrence of the way we feel in general, isn’t it MJ fans?! A whole load of the same poisonous media crap perpetuated about Michael and no-one blaming anyone but Michael for other people’s idiocy!

    Bringing in the likes of Oxman and Chopra says it all! Aaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Yes we need our voices to be heard for definite and we will be there for you, Michael!
    August 10, 2011 6:24 AM

    june said…
    I hate to even bring it up, however it appears Drew tonight Wednesday, August 10th, is advertising more “conrad murray trial coverage”. I smell murray’s publicists all over Drew’s extensive, erroneous programming. Another poster here provided Drew’s email site, yes, please give voice where Michael cannot. HLN does acknowledge receipt of these emails.
    August 10, 2011 7:13 AM

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  22. August 10, 2011 11:14 pm

    Dr Drew’s program tonight will again focus on Dr Murray. Efforts are being made all over the web to send clear questions to Dr Drew’s FB page and to the CNN feedback page. We are also working with a contact onTwitter. Obviously all these communications must be polite. If Drew is enraged because of name-calling, it will not be fans who suffer but the subject of his programs.

    Please send Dr Drew an informed email, asking him to not only state Murray’s perspective but also Michael’s. Remind him how important this is when the patient is dead and cannot speak for themselves.

    http://t.co/rS4QzQz

    Also:

    Pinsky has a Facebook page. A few articulate and thoughtful comments with informational links and requests for Drew’s responsible coverage of the Murray trial may do wonders for Pinsky’s erroneous point of view.

    These requests on FB do have to be polite or the FB page will be taken down..

    http://www.facebook.com/drdrew

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  23. August 10, 2011 10:00 pm

    You can throw all Chopra´s books in the GARBAGE.

    Kaarin, I agree. From what I’ve read about Chopra and the way he talked about Michael after his death he doesn’t look like a friend to Michael. He even doesn’t look like a decent man at all. Each time I read him he was promoting himself only. People are often misled by him calling himself Michael’s friend but the proof of the matter is not what people say but what they do.

    No, I wouldn’t call Chopra a friend. Even Shmuley looks a better friend than Chopra – at least Shmuley has recanted his former opinions of Michael in his second book.

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  24. August 10, 2011 9:49 pm

    Wonder how much murray´s PR firm will pay for that interview.

    And I wonder why Murray has PR firm at all?
    Is it common practice in the US for those suspected of a crime to hire a PR firm to improve their image before the trial?

    And where does Murray get all this money from? As far as I remember William Wagener said he needed $20mln. for airing only one documentary – so how much more does this PR firm pay for all those broadcasts? And where does the money come from?

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  25. August 10, 2011 9:45 pm

    “Absolutely sickening”.

    Absolutely sickening. Reading about this TV show makes you realize that we are living in a topsy-turvy world. I hope these guys overdo it so much that the general public finally sobers up, says out loud that they don’t want to participate in this craziness and switch over to another channel.

    Finding excuses for the super-negligent Murray by calling Michael an addict is the same as finding excuses for a doctor who refused to help his dying patient because he was “old anyway”.

    They kill and we find excuses for them. They kill and we invite people to TV shows to explain that it was a good thing to do. They kill and others say that those dead would have died anyway.

    They kill and we applaud them for justifying it.

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  26. August 10, 2011 9:04 pm

    I read on a reliable site that Chopra used to contact Grace R. behind Michaels back while Michael was going to him for counsel.This is just about the worst a therapist or counsellor can do.You can throw all Chopra´s books in the GARBAGE.

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  27. August 10, 2011 8:57 pm

    So now murray is becoming famous and being interviewed for saving somebodys life.Not because he killed his one and only patient.
    Did he save someone with a weak pulse?I have yet to hear that he knows how to measure bloodpressure.Why does he not interview every doctor who has saved a life?Why just murray of all? Wonder how much murray´s PR firm willpay for that interview.Anybody know what this Pinski´s specialty is?This is the PR firm,murray would not know or have the time to arrange all these public performances.It would be much more interesting to hear murray´s latest version of the morning 6/25.
    He has tried one version after the other,didn´t work, now only mudslinging is left. -It is over 2 years since Michaels death.Why are all the people who hated MJ still so interested?My guess the 15 min + $$$

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  28. Susan permalink
    August 10, 2011 8:30 pm

    It is truly disturbing to see how easily some people will discard their ethics in order to satisfy their addiction to attention. Julie, I noticed that also last evening – when Damon Elliott, Dionne Warwick’s son, did not confirm their “drug addict” mantra – he disappeared by the first commercial! I don’t want to believe what I am seeing, but the facts speak for themselves – there seems to be a very deliberate attempt to excuse Murray for his abysmal treatment of Michael. The scary thing is that other “doctors” and I use that term lightly when speaking of Drew Pinsky – are very quick to blame Michael when actual hard proof, via the autopsy, is so readily available. Making snide remarks about Michael’s nose or whatever else is just the same mean-spirited b.s. that Michael had to put up with his whole life. I can’t imagine them doing that to any other person.

    Tonight Pinsky is going to interview a man to whom Murray is a hero. He claims Murray saved his life. Isn’t that what he is supposed to do? So now he gets credit for this – heroism beyond the call of duty? For doing his job? Absolutely sickening.

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  29. Julie permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:37 pm

    Do you have to like his page in order to comment? I found where you can email his show, but I feel like he’s like Oprah and doesn’t waste his time reading the emails that aren’t sycophantic. When you look on his fb page, there are already people who are off target (complaining about the family, etc.) with one comment actually quoting an anesthesiologist about the situation. Dr. Drew sold out and went for the sensationalism rather than looking for truth. What a sellout he is!

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  30. August 10, 2011 5:08 pm

    Teva, I am truly sorry that this Dr, Drew is so tasteless and unethical.I am lucky (or unlucky?) not to be able to see those shows you mentioned.This is murray´s PR firm doing their dirty work.
    If you see some strange comments by me(see below) don´t take them to be what I really believe.They are just crazy ideas that come to my mind from haters statements and behaviour.As in martial arts I try to use the force of the oppponent against themselves.It seems nothing is out of bounds when it comes to Michael.And he was truly a wonderful person.

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  31. August 10, 2011 4:55 pm

    Dr Drew’s show on 9/08/2011 was indeed disappointing. From his opening line calling Michael, ‘J***o’ to constant insinuations that Michael was somehow a ‘demanding Diva’ who asked for his own death — the program was a catalogue of misinformation.

    In the run-up to trial and during, it would be good to communicate with Dr Drew and his research team. Pinsky has a Facebook page. A few articulate and thoughtful comments with informational links and non-confrontational requests for his responsible coverage of the Murray trial may do wonders for Pinsky’s erroneous point of view.

    http://www.facebook.com/drdrew

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  32. Julie permalink
    August 10, 2011 6:20 am

    This is so unbelievably disappointing. Teva’s comment about what Dr. Drew said about Michael’s nose was the first thing that just made me sick. He is supposed to be a professional, but you know he’s another one who has made a name for himself on the backs of celebrities so I don’t know how much credence he deserves truthfully. Seeing that complete moron, Brian Oxman, on there describing the scene at the hospital when Michael died — saying that Randy called him to get to the hospital. I would love to hear Randy say that’s what he did. I know if I were to get a call that a close family member was dying or possibly dead in the hospital, my first thought would not be to call my lawyer I don’t care how close I was to him. Oxman had his face stuck in a camera 10 seconds after Michael died and it was disgraceful. I truly think that he attempts to stay relevant in the Jackson’s life and feel that he was the one Mesereau was referring to when he said that there were other lawyers trying to get in Michael’s ear during the trial and attempting to tear down what Mesereau and Yu were trying to do. Then, there’s good ole Deepak. He’s another one that I just don’t get. Michael may have asked him for Oxycontin back in 2005 (which is his claim), but Michael was out of the country for the next 2-3 years so how could Chopra have any knowledge of what was happening with Michael before he died? The Irish doctor who was with him more recently that Chopra stated the exact opposite.

    The only one that made any sense on the panel was Dionne Warwick’s son who stated that he never witnessed Michael in any type of drugged state and he was around the family his entire life. I noticed directly after making that statement — he was taken out of the panel. I guess he had nothing sensational to report.

    I did read LaToy’s book on Jetzi and according to her (I know there’s a big question mark around here too most of the time), she stated that the family intervention was around 2002 and she referenced that the family became concerned because Michael had a problem stemming from his fall in Germany (where the balcony he was on plunged 60 feet into the orchestra pit during his performance of Earth Song). The family went to the house and found Michael and talked to him and he felt that he didn’t have a problem and according to her he seemed fine so they let it go. She does not state that they had multiple interventions which is contrary to what Janet insinuated on the Oprah show in 2010 so it’s hard to know who to believe. She further reiterated that the only drugs in Michael’s system when he died were the ones that were administered by Murray. The one disturbing thing that she said was that the coroner came to her (because she was the family member in charge of his body) and requested a palm print and hair samples right before he was buried in September of 2009. She felt it was extremely odd given the fact that he had been dead for almost 3 months so in her mind they shouldn’t have needed anything further. She stated that they took the black glove off of Michael’s hand and had to put him in a sitting position in order to get the print. According to her, after they left she turned to her friend that was with her and told him that she thought they were getting the palm print to put on the propofol bottle to claim Michael took the fatal overdose himself. It turned my stomach!

    It almost feels like a losing battle when these types of shows come on and people who were not really around Michael are allowed to come on and say whatever they choose no matter how damning or flat out untruthful it may be. How discouraging that this is happening on the eve of Dr. Murray’s trial. Once again Dr. Drew lumped Michael in with Corey Haim, Amy Winehouse, Anna Nicole Smith and others who died who had died as a result of drug addiction. I seem to recall that Haim died of a pneumonia related illness; however, this is not what Michael died from!

    A few months ago I had a medical procedure that required anesthesia. I had had the procedure the year before and was put under and this time the doctor requested something stronger because I apparently moved around too much the year before and it was difficult for her to perform the procedure. In any event, the CRNA came in to ask my permission for the upgrade in anesthesia and I gave my permission. As I was being wheeled to the procedure room, the CRNA told me I would be given propofol. All I remember was that the minute that substance went in my IV, I was out. Sometime during the procedure my eyes opened and I remember seeing the doctor standing there looking at me and she said to the CRNA, “her eyes are open.” The doctor then looked at me and told me to close my eyes, which I did. I was not coherent enough to sit up and do anything I can tell you that much. After the procedure concluded, I remember feeling my sheet and covering blanket was all wet. When the nurse came in to talk to me about the procedure, she told me that my IV had come out sometime during the procedure which made sense as to why I woke up and why my sheet, etc. was wet.

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  33. lynande51 permalink
    August 10, 2011 6:00 am

    go to my twitter @lynande51 twitter.com

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  34. Teva permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:34 am

    Dr. Drew says Michael wore a surgical mask to hide the gaping hole that used to be his nose. He also say Michael bleached his skin.

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  35. Teva permalink
    August 10, 2011 5:07 am

    Dr. Drew opened his show tonight asking who was the real Jacko? Addict, Freak, idol?

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  36. August 9, 2011 12:07 am

    Did this writer Chris Andersen have this name given by his parents or is he trying to imply some realationship to Hans Christian Andersen,
    a wellknown Danish writer,poet, most known for his fairytales,interesting enough to be read by adults.Born 1805,died 1875.

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  37. August 8, 2011 1:52 am

    The menage a trois should be played in a Moliere theathre piece style.

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  38. August 8, 2011 1:44 am

    This Klein-Pfeiffer story rivals V.G.`s MJWML in it´s phantasmagoric sense.I have not read the book by Chris Anderson and don´t intend to order it.Michael pickinhg up boys or men in the streets? He was terrified of venturing out without secutity.You all know about the brazilian boys story,I take.-Now that they don´t have money or work
    they can start a “Menage a trois harlequin show” by hiring a MJ-impersonator for the role of MJ. They could do tours or have a weekly TV show.-Forgive me for this bad joke, I know Michael was classy whatever you say.

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  39. Teva permalink
    August 7, 2011 5:24 am

    @lynande51

    You did a wonderful commentary on the drugs, and you have made my point for me. We tend to preach to the choir. Your analysis would have better served (warm) to the 4 TMZ staffers during their question and answer where their million of unknowledgable audience would have hear it (live). However, I will pass it on to the blogs on which I post. Thank you.

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  40. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 4:52 am

    @Teva, I agree with that . I think though that Klein might be usable like the members of the media JRT and Roger Friedman sort of. I think if instead of attacking him he might be more user friendly if we avoid slamming him. I happen to know that they haters are expecting us to attack Klein over his giving Michael drugs. The haters have pretty much decided that the fan community believe this story or at least that is what they are talking about amongst themselves. In turn that would look like we believe this story which we can pretty much determine by now is not true and also help Murray in his defense if he can taint the possible jury pool. That was the intended purpose of doing this particular smear at this particular time. I think we really need to put out the information that I have here to show that there was no Demerol use. So if you can please pass it on and let’s all agree to not blame Klein for any of this stuff. It is a lawsuit alleging some pretty strange stuff. There is no control over what is said in a lawsuit. I do have a question though has anyone actually seen the papers yet? The reason I ask is that sometime today TMZ seems to have taken down the story or at least that is what happens for me if I search it on yahoo.

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  41. Teva permalink
    August 7, 2011 4:06 am

    “Even if Klein fired him he has no recourse except to make up this doodoo and the only way he is getting any attention from it is to add MJ’s name to it.” – Lynette

    EXACTLY, and that is what pisses me off. No one would care about JP’s mess if he didn’t muck it up with MJ, but I would be more sympathetic to AK if he had not join JP to create that fake gay story, and not gone along with DD’s mission and claim to be Prince and Paris’ father.

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  42. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 3:06 am

    It means that your employer can fire you at anytime without a reason. That is why he is actually claiming injury and suing for damages. Negligence.
    http://employment.findlaw.com/employment/employment-employee-overview/employment-at-will.html

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  43. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:45 am

    “Unless you have a contract of some kind or tenure here in the US employment is “at will”

    What do you mean by that?

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  44. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:44 am

    Hey when did the story come off the TMZ board? I just went to search for it but it is not there. The headline came up but I get a 404 error and a list of other choices I might like to read but none of them interested me much. LOL. Why do they do that? It was only 2 days old. The story is still out there on different gossip sites but not TMZ.

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  45. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:29 am

    Probably he is worth it. He is not the slouch that the tabs are making him out to be. In reality he did develope this procedure and is recognized world wide for his work. The one thing that seem to be happening here with him is that he is in a bunch of lawsuits against former partners, business managers and employees now that walk of the job JP has claimed he was wrongfully terminated. Unless you have a contract of some kind or tenure here in the US employment is “at will”. Even if Klein fired him he has no recourse except to make up this doodoo and the only way he is getting any attention from it is to add MJ’s name to it.

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  46. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:13 am

    “His meticulous, artistic approach requires multiple injections, depending on facial features, the extent of the wrinkling and the specific area being treated.”

    Does it means that he will charge you as much as he can?

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  47. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:04 am

    I would guess that MJ had to pay for transportation with the helicopter. Well now we know how much that costs.Of course it might have been round trip.

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  48. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:51 am

    Shelly here is a link to his site.
    http://drarnoldklein.com/botox%C2%AE
    Now maybe I can explain something a little funny in the good old USA in the world of the “privildged”. You won’t find a price list there. This is because in the area of his practice and his clientele there is an unspoken rule: if you have to ask how much it is you can’t afford it. It sounds snooty and it is snooty. I think that it says after hours home call not phone call. Anyway going by my brochure that I found it has different prices for different things.Most Restylane starts out the first time at 1500 per area treated maybe some addition charges because they need a little bit more in a syringe to fiinish up the and then you have to go back in a little while and the same goes for the Botox it starts at about the same price. I didn’t really pay attention to it because mine started from a work related injury believe it or not. One of my patients broke a chair picked up the leg and slammed it across my face. It split/tore my lip from the corner of my nose down and half of my upper lip. I had to have cosmetics close it and the dermatology to even up my features after the healing and scar reduction. it happened about 3 and a half years ago and it took about a year and a half for my lip to return to the preinjury size so they could even start it . Anyway the reason I don’t know how much it costs is because It was covered by insurance.
    Oh and look AWK has his own brand of facial cleansers, toners, and lotions who knew!

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  49. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:38 am

    “Which is funny, ’cause in May when they were both out of town MJ did just fine seeing the other doctors there.”

    In May, they were in Europe.

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  50. August 7, 2011 1:34 am

    I think that’s the weekend he said he needed to helicopter in from out of town to take care of MJ.

    Which is funny, ’cause in May when they were both out of town MJ did just fine seeing the other doctors there.

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  51. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:32 am

    He did the same thing a few weeks later and asked for 7500 dollars.

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  52. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:30 am

    He also asked for 5000 dollars for something he did on a weekend, the 17th of April.

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  53. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:29 am

    Yes on the Botox and Restylane because they are used to do 2 different things. One is to smooth out the underlying muscle tissue and paralyze it and one is to fill in the line.
    Yeah all I’m going to say about that one is he sure thinks highly of his personal time off. LOL

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  54. shelly permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:28 am

    Thank for the link, the problem is I don’t know what are the normal prices for those things, but I noticed one thing on the 15th of April he charged him 1000 dollars for after hour phone calls.

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  55. julie permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:23 am

    Is it normal to do the botox/restylane so close together? Also the latisse charges seemed like a lot and did you love the charges for the weekend visits and after hours. Good Lord!

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  56. lynande51 permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:02 am

    Hi Shelly, Here is a link to the bill that Klein submitted to the estate to be paid in 2009
    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/arnoldklein.pdf
    I can tell you later after you read it and save it to your computer what some of the stuff means if you want me to. Pay close attention to the dates. Here is something else that you need to know when you read it. a Botox treatment is an IM injection. You pay separately for the Botox serum or Restylane serum. Then you pay for every time they put the fine needle into the area that you want the Serum to go. SInce it can be painful and pain increases swelling and you don’t want to increase the swelling in a restorative treament you will use Novocaine, Lidocaine or what ever numbing agent in the Muscle first to numb it. Since that is a different drug and you have to use a different needle they charge for that separately. Now if you look at MJ’s face he was probably doing his brow, around his eyes, his lips, and the labial folds ( nose to corner of the mouth). He has a laser excision of a lesion. A lesion is an open area. In dermatology it can mean a lot of things most of the time a pimple. Then he got some moisturizer, some Latisse to help enhance the growth of his eyelashes and a couple of other things. That is why he used to wear scarves and stuff to cover his face when he left the office.
    Demerol is a CII or DEA schedule 2 classification of drug. What that means is that it has a strong potential for abuse, diversion, or addiction but still has legitimate medical uses because demerol is an opiate. A doctor or prescriber has to apply for a special number from the DEA if they are going to be prescribing these medications. It is used to track the sale, distribution and use of the medications. The DEA has to know where all of the Demerol is in the United States. If it is used you have to document how much, to who, where and when it was given. If it comes from a vial and it is not in a hospital setting where the remainder can be used by the same patient in a specific amount of time it must be wasted and destroyed. It has to be 2 people that waste it. In a hospital it can be 2 RN’s or an RN an a pharmacist.In a clinic. it must be placed in a locked container and counted and documented until it can be wasted by 2 people under specific conditions. If the clinic has a consulting pharmacist that comes in it can either be onsite with him and an RN. If the Pharmacist takes it with him it must be counted or measured, documented what time it was counted, by who, how much and what time it left the building. Then the pharmacist wastes it at the pharmacy following the same protocol and procedure. If it is sold it must be accounted for. If it is not on the bill it was not used. Dr Klein is not allowed to give it away. it is not that easy if an inordinate amount of Demerol were being used in a clinic without the procedural need for it it would be noticed.There really isn’t a protocol for it in dermatology because Demerol is used for severe/post operative pain. I would question if Dr. Klein even has the DEA number for the CII’s just because of what it is that he does in his office. The thing is they have already gone through his records.
    This was just used as another way to suggest to the general public that MJ was using Demerol becaue Murray’s trial is getting closer. I don’t like that whole PR firm by a guy who can’t afford it how is he doing that?
    That said Arnie sure charges a lot for a treatment and office call. Oh well that can be based on a lot of things from his level of expertise to his clients willingness to pay. On my last bill for Restylane I think it was about 900 but it was a touchup so they didn’t have to use as much. I’d have to sit down and add up each office call and treatment to figure out if mine is comparable or not and I don’t want to dig through my old bills.

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  57. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 10:57 pm

    In his blog, he wrote, in May, that his problems with Klein started 6months earlier. So he had no problems with what Klein allegedly forced him to do until Klein accused him of stealing money.

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  58. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 7:54 pm

    I should also add that if a “script” were found somewhere in say personal email exchanges they could use those as evidence in favor of Dr. Klein. In any case that goes to a jury a jury is given instruction on how to weigh the evidence that is presented even in a civil case. All of the instructions include an instruction on how to find the veracity of a statement made. Veracity is the truth of a statement. To make it easily understandable use this. If dr. Klein could prove that some of these statements were made up the court or the jury could say that there is a strong possibility that all of the statements were made up. That would be slander. If only Dr. Klein knew this.

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  59. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 7:08 pm

    Let me help you all out a little bit. We are all quoting a book by Chris Andersen. A book that has some more salacious details in it about Michael none of which are true but they are nice and juicy aren’t they. Then we have this story which just gets crazier and crazier and in places starts to sound like the VG book with the fecees and peeing doesn’t it? What brought you to read those books? Who was writing about those books in the first place and so firmly “believes” what is written there? Does that person have a connection to Dr. Klein and Jason Pfeiffer?.Yes this person does. Do I think that maybe this person “helped” JP with the details of the lawsuit? You’re damn right I do.

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  60. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 5:48 pm

    It depends what the DA will be able to prove. I think they will try to prove that he wasn’t an addict and nobody knows what evidence they have.

    By the way, I am sure the general public thought MJ was guilty in 2005 but he was acquitted.

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  61. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:34 pm

    More to the point that TMZ was making I really do not see how this could help Murray. If Michael was taking medication from Klein on the sly, what does that have to do with the propofol drip Murray had going. Rubbish.

    Anyway I believe Murray will be acquitted, not because he was innocent, but for other reasons not involving: Sony, AEG, Branca etc. The fans are very knowlegable, so I hope the prosecution takes a cue, but I doubt it. In the Casey Anthony trial the defense hired social media experts that trolled thousands of websites, facebook, twitter etc to take a pulse on the public. They discovered that most people thought Casey’s behaviour could be explained if she were sexually molested; therefore, the defense was created. I don’t know if Murray’s team will do the trolling, but I won’t rule it out. Outside of fandom (where most people live) the general thought is Michael was undeniably talented, but . . . .

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  62. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:09 pm

    @Shelly
    “Jason said he had to bring an homeless man for Klein. I was wondering one thing, in Chris Andersen’s book, there is a rumor which said that MJ took young men on the street when he was on tour. Klein was on often with him. Don’t you think, that rumor could have started because of Klein’s sexual habit?”- Shelly

    Firstly we do not know if this is a sexual habit of Klien’s all we have is Pfeiffer’s word. Until the homeless people go to court and parrot Pfeiffer, and withstand vigorous cross examination it is just an allegation. I am no fan of Klein, but Jason sound like sour grapes to me.

    It is clear that they both have agendas that requires Michael Jackson’s participation (dead or alive, but preferably dead) to fulfill.

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  63. Suzy permalink
    August 6, 2011 11:29 am

    @ Shelly

    Chris Anderson made up a lot of things without it having ANY basis to it (about Michael as well as about other people). I don’t why this story would be any different. For these people (the likes of Anderson) there doesn’t need to be the slightest of truth in any story to write about them.

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  64. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 11:11 am

    Jason said he had to bring an homeless man for Klein. I was wondering one thing, in Chris Andersen’s book, there is a rumor which said that MJ took young men on the street when he was on tour. Klein was on often with him. Don’t you think, that rumor could have started because of Klein’s sexual habit?

    I spoke about Jason’s mom because she said lots of time on twitter that Klein was a wonderful guy. She even spent her birthday at Klein’s house. For me it tends to prive that Jason is lying.

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  65. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 9:41 am

    @Suzy Yeah you are right. I was just using a comparison to show how unbelievably silly that whole story is. It goes from an unpaid medical bill to a grean sport coat to he was his lover no he wasn’t to I had to wash his groin and give him his medication before he had sex and all those silly and salacious details. Kind of reminds me of D if you know what I mean.

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  66. Suzy permalink
    August 6, 2011 9:18 am

    @ Teva

    ” I wonder why things that are so blantantly obvious to us “crazy” fans escape the more “intellectual” like TMZ staffers.

    I think it’s obvious for them as well. But it wouldn’t be fun for them if they declared to their readers the story is not true.

    @ Lynette

    ” Now I have pictures of Michael wearing that coat. The thing is it looks like it fits him pretty good. I don’t know about anybody else but I just don’t think they wore the same size.”

    I have seen a pic of Klein wearing that coat, so it was really his. Michael had this habit of taking other people’s coats if he liked it. On the Thriller album cover the suit he’s wearing is the photograph’s suit.

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  67. lynande51 permalink
    August 6, 2011 4:15 am

    Okay I’m caught up with the reading to this post. I sure have gotten a slang education on this one. Thank you Arnie and Jason. I don’t know for sure what a “bear site” is but I think I can guess. I do however know what 8 and cut is and that is for sure one I don’t believe. What I would like to know is: what did Jason Pfeiffer’s mom have to do with the story. I should probably write a little article about those injections just so people understand. I have the original lawsuit that Klein filed against MJ’s estate for unpaid medical bills and it lists everything that he gave him. I think I got it from Radar online or TMZ when he did it. He did that before he and Jason came up with the scheme about the gay lover and before he sued him for a ten thousand dollar ugly green sport coat. Now I have pictures of Michael wearing that coat. The thing is it looks like it fits him pretty good. I don’t know about anybody else but I just don’t think they wore the same size. I think I will try to do that very soon because that story is just to wild.

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  68. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 3:33 am

    The sad part is to stay relevant they will have to pull MJ into the mix. I wonder why things that are so blantantly obvious to us “crazy” fans escape the more “intellectual” like TMZ staffers. Can’t they see Klien & Pfeiffer who were living together, and were friends with benefits decided to market a MJ and Pfeiffer Harlequin romance?

    As for the TMZ employee who said Michael killed himself I really hope he pays good attention to the trial, but who am I kidding. Even though it will be televised America will read the cliff notes by DD et al, and miss the substance. Televising it will make no difference to the reporting. I really hope they clear up during the trial the premise that Michael’s body was riddled with needle holes because that has been saturated in the public and media.

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  69. Teva permalink
    August 6, 2011 3:20 am

    “I wonder what’s going to happen during the trial if those 2 people testified.” – Shelly

    It will come down to which is more likable to the jury.

    I find the Pfeiffer vs Klien story funny as hell, but let’s be honest the only reason anybody cares who pissed on whom is because Michael Jackson is involved, and they know it. With out the Michael connection their blogs, facebook, twitter etc would be nothing especially Pfeiffer who would go back to being a non entity.

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  70. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 2:17 am

    I wonder what’s going to happen during the trial if those 2 people testified.

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  71. shelly permalink
    August 6, 2011 2:16 am

    From the LSA forum

    “2007 Jason separates from his longtime partner and returns to LA unemployed and with no money, meets Klein online, Klein wants to have sex with him. Jason refuses. Klein apologizes and says to become friends.

    They start talking about cars etc. Klein invites him to his home saying that he might be able to give him a job, again makes a pass to him, jason leaves.

    Weeks pass they again started talking about a job possibility, Klein says he won’t make any more advances to him and then eventually hires him. His job responsiblities becomes significant such as always accompanying Klein to everywhere (note: I think Klein has a illness and physical limitation as help him dress up, put him to bed etc is mentioned)

    Jason alleges that Klein obsessively searched for sex partners on Internet especially on “bear” websites. Gives an example of his profile on one of the websites ( 8 and cut) . Jason says that he was required to help Klein with these searches, reading him the profiles, typing up emails to the people Klein liked, update Klein’s online profiles, calling up people etc. Jason says he didn’t want to do it but Klein said he’d fire him if he didn’t.

    Then comes the preparation for sex part. Jason claims that he had to wash his groin, give him drugs (viagra etc), greet his sex partners, wait till they leave etc. Jason says Klein took him to gay men hotels (bathhouses) that had bear parties. took Jason to one bear sex party in Las Vegas, says he didn’t want to go. Jason says sometimes he needed to go out and find and bring Klein sex partners, mentions bringing a homeless man.

    There’s a mention of Klein writing prescriptions in Jason’s name multiple times for other people – I’ll skip the details on that.

    Then allegedly Klein tells him that he has to move in with him or he’ll take away the car that he has given him and fire him. Jason moves in with him Klein expects him to work for him 24/7, doesn’t allow him to visit his family etc.

    Jason claims that Klein liked to “mistakenly” piss on him (shoes/clothes) to humiliate him. says that Klein has a serious medical condition and loses bowel control. He made Jason to clean Klein, change his clothes and clean the floor. Jason says that Klein swallowed a dental bridge and made Jason to look for it in the feces.

    Jason claims that Klein asked to report his former partner to police, made him listen to his problems with his current partner and again started to make sexual advances towards Jason (grabbing his nipples, trying to kiss him, force his tongue to his mouth, saying that they would have “hot love affair” and so on )

    a lot of mention of Klein becoming FDA consultant and wanting to get a billboard to advertise that and Jason saying that it’s illegal to do that.

    so they start having arguments about the billboard and another prescription in Jason’s name. Jason leaves the house and Klein starts to say that he fired him and doesn’t allow him back to the workplace and his house.”

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  72. August 6, 2011 12:57 am

    Now Pfeiffer and Klein are at each others throats.Are both of them facing bankruptcy too?I thought the 50 injections over a 3 month period
    was old news.Both of them are buffoons and can plead incompetence to stand trial due to mental problems.How will they manage now that they no longer can leach on Michael?Some other people face the same problem.

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  73. Julie permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:55 pm

    I know Shelly and thank you…I just had to throw my 2 cents in there because they angered me yesterday with their BS.

    I think both Klein and Pfeiffer are liars.

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  74. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:45 pm

    @Julie

    I just posted that video because they clearly said Pfeiffer or anyone can’t get sue for defamation because of what is in the lawsuit. You can say anything you want in a lawsuit and it’s a very important point.

    By the way, By the way Jason claimed “he was wrongfully terminated”, so he didn’t leave klein by himself and he was fired. On his blog, he claimed that

    “I will post again in a few days… but again, YOU started this pissing match. You took a simple resignation to new heights. ”

    “When I started working for Klein, I was vulnerable, a trait he loves. I had just lost a close family member, moved half way across the country, and needed a job. Klein “came to my rescue, and pulled me out of the gutter” (as he describes it). He loves to be in a place of superiority, and lord over his forever grateful subjects. I worked hard for him… I believed in him… He turned into a father figure for me, and I respected him. In turn he was good to me. A fact that his lawyer threw into my face when I asked for my personal possesions back. As if to say, dont expect your socks and shoes back, he took you to see Lady Gaga. More on that later.

    It wasn’t until Michael died that chinks in the armor would start to show. I questioned how he handled the entire thing, but being a loyal subject, I was told to never question him. It wasn’t until September of 2010 that I decided I was going to stand up for myself. I continually refused to support his crazy endeavors and I started to question my loyalty. All these bizarre quests he was on, trying to destroy people,. why? I finally had enough and after him and his closeted boyfriend began to talk behind my back, I walked out of his house. I was done.”

    The Truth According to Jason: David and Goliath… Better known as the Pissing Match! UPDATED!!!

    I may be wrong, I don’t live in the US, but you can’t resign and be wrongfully terminated.

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  75. Julie permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:21 pm

    The stoned guy that sits behind where they do their show said that he thinks Michael killed himself (which is absurd and that guy acts like he doesn’t have a clue about anything have the time) and then they read a comment which was the usual garbage that said Michael would have found another doctor if this doctor didn’t do what Michael wanted and the guys at least acknowledged that it doesn’t matter if Michael found another doctor or not — this doctor did not do the right thing.

    The rest of it I just had to shut off because they anger me so much!

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  76. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 11:14 pm

    I think they said something very important at around 7 about that lawsuit

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/04/tmz-live-michael-jackson-dr-arnie-klein-lawsuit-dr-conrad-murray-justin-bieber-miley-cyrus-lebron-james-tim-tebow/

    You can say what the hell you want in a lawsuit.

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  77. Suzy permalink
    August 5, 2011 7:51 am

    Here are the extracts from the lawsuits mentioning Michael:

    Basically just what TMZ wrote too. The last part is interesting, it says:

    “Toward the end of June, 2009, Klein told Pfeiffer that Michael Jackson was having trouble sleeping…”

    If Pfeiffer was Michael’s lover why did Klein have to tell him this? LOL.

    The rest of the lawsuit, according to the person who read it, is like gay porn, with Pfeiffer detailing Klein’s sex life including his penis size. Pfeiffer claims he never had sex with Klein but Klein made several passes at him.

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  78. August 5, 2011 5:16 am

    thank-you for this site!!!!

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  79. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 2:08 am

    I wonder how many assholes MJ had around him. It’s unbelievable.

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  80. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 1:08 am

    Yes, I am not stalking his family, but I just wanted to know who was following him and I found her and she loved Klein very much.

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  81. August 5, 2011 1:00 am

    LOL Pfeiffer’s mother is on twitter?

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  82. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:48 am

    @rock

    You forgot that he never said anything to his family. His own mother is on tweeter kissing Klein’s ass.

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  83. August 5, 2011 12:44 am

    Suzy

    Sheesh! Obviously Klein needed his penis washer on vacation with him and his other bear lover!

    Previously he’d only admitted that Klein had tried hitting on him…

    I know when someone makes me uncomfortable sexually to the point of washing his penis I make all attempts to vacation with that person twice (why he was there at christmas with Klein), cosign lies in public with that person, speak to journalists about how fabulous and misunderstood that person is, tweet to that person in May 2009 how much I love them, and then move in with them.

    I mean, that’s obviously what all other sane people would do.

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  84. shelly permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:02 am

    By the way, obviously Klein was really bad at writing medical note because according to that article, and others,

    “The singer – who wanted to appear via video link because of an unspecified illness – has been medically cleared to travel, his lawyer, Robert Englehart, said Thursday.”

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-11-20/gossip/17910958_1_seas-records-sheikh-abdulla-jackson-s-contract

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  85. Lauren permalink
    August 5, 2011 12:00 am

    The truth will come out at trial re: Klein’s treatment. I tend to believe he was within
    standard of care…he was investigated by PD and the Medical Board. I imagine his
    treatments were painful for MJ. I do wonder how Klein can testify with another lawsuit
    pending. And I also wonder if Pfeifer is a potential witness.

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  86. Anna permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:56 pm

    Hmmm……anyone else get the feeling Jason and Arnie are cut from the same cloth? They both strike me as attention hounds.

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  87. shelly permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:56 pm

    @suzy,

    You forget that he lived with Klein too.

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  88. Suzy permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:45 pm

    @ Shelly

    Poor, poor Jason, he was “forced” to do these things. Why didn’t he quit his job and sue Klein THEN? Instead he went on a vacation with him in May 2009. He must have been so, so traumatized. Sorry, but no grown man can be forced to do things like this against his will. Who buys that? If it happened it happened because he too wanted it. How convenient that he sues Klein and claims these things now that Klein sued him first? But earlier they were best friends (and more, I suspect) and they made up lies about MJ together.

    Those two idiots. I wish they would leave MJ out of it.

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  89. Suzy permalink
    July 25, 2011 10:59 pm

    Trial won’t feature unreleased Jackson footage

    By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer – 1 hour ago

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jurors in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case will not watch previously unseen footage from the singer’s final rehearsals to determine the state of his health before his death, a judge ruled Monday.

    Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor agreed with the characterization of a defense attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray that more than 100 hours of rehearsal footage condensed into the film “This Is It” did not show the singer in poor health.

    Pastor also agreed with attorneys for Sony Pictures Entertainment that the clips have significant value and should not be publicly shown without a good reason.

    “There is absolutely nothing in those materials that could have been of assistance to the defense,” Pastor said.

    The judge reviewed several hours of the footage last week then canceled plans to travel to Sony Studios over the weekend to finish watching the rest of the film that attorneys wanted to use during the upcoming trial of Murray.

    Sony filed a motion Friday citing comments by defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan calling the review of the footage a “big waste of time.”

    Murray’s attorneys wanted to show jurors four hours of film, while prosecutors wanted to show up to 12 hours.

    Deputy District Attorney David Walgren said the footage “demonstrated that Michael Jackson was optimistic, engaged, confident, physically well.”

    Pastor, who has ruled that snippets of the theatrical version of “This Is It” can be shown at trial, said it was unnecessary to show other clips.

    “There are materials which I viewed which I would regard as extremely valuable to Sony,” the judge said.
    The footage could be used later for extended versions of “This Is It.”

    Pastor warned Flanagan about speaking publicly about the case, scolding the veteran attorney for discussing evidence during a radio interview that won’t be presented to jurors.

    Jury selection is scheduled to begin on Sept. 8.
    Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

    Prosecutors accuse him of giving Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives in the bedroom of his rented mansion days before he was scheduled to travel to London for a series of comeback concerts.

    Defense attorneys have said Murray did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him.

    Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5izv2H3Wkc32erAH9z82zlNV3jopw?docId=90419aef2db14f8cb382713517500050

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  90. July 22, 2011 12:11 am

    It was initially the defence that wanted all those tapes from the rehearsals;to show that Michael was in such poor shape that it was expected he would die.Now it appears he was pretty good even on his bad days.Time to turn the tables again.And ask for a bit more postponement.

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  91. July 21, 2011 11:19 pm

    “The prosecution had identified 12 hours of outtakes from the documentary “This Is It” as relevant evidence. The defense claims only four hours should be shown to jurors.”

    I envy the jurors.

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  92. shelly permalink
    July 21, 2011 3:34 am

    I find that article funny

    Michael Jackson’s doctor wants jury sequestered, from Nancy Grace

    A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s personal physician said Wednesday that in light of the uproar surrounding the verdict in the recent Casey Anthony case, jurors in the doctor’s upcoming manslaughter trial should be sequestered round-the-clock, or at least “during the hours Nancy Grace is on TV.”

    The attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray told a judge he was concerned that biased commentary of the televised proceedings, set to begin Sept. 8, would affect the panel’s ability to render a fair verdict in the Jackson’s death.

    “I just think there is an overwhelming likelihood of contamination of the court’s control of evidence,” J. Michael Flanagan told Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor.

    The judge said the defense was free to file a formal motion for sequestration, but that he did not feel it was necessary and that in any case, the financially strapped court system could not afford it.

    Pastor, who said the O.J. Simpson case was the last time a county judge had sequestered a jury, said he would order jurors be kept away from the general public inside the courthouse but believed it “unhealthy” for panelists to be isolated for the entire trial, which is expected to last six weeks.

    Murray is accused of causing the pop icon’s 2009 death from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol. His defense contends Jackson gave himself a fatal overdose when the doctor was out of the room.

    In another development, Pastor said he would travel to Sony Pictures studios in Culver City to evaluate more than a dozen hours of footage of Jackson’s final rehearsals.

    The prosecution had identified 12 hours of outtakes from the documentary “This Is It” as relevant evidence. The defense claims only four hours should be shown to jurors.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/michael-jackson-conrad-jackson.html

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  93. shelly permalink
    July 19, 2011 2:48 pm

    I don’t know if it was already posted, it’s about the civil cases

    http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/aegs-jackson-death-lawsuit-schedule-for-september-2012/

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  94. June 9, 2011 5:13 pm

    “Now that Lloyds is in on it I hope some matters will be straightened out”.

    Kaarin, I hope so too.

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  95. June 9, 2011 12:01 pm

    Thank you Chris for having pulled so much material together.Michael was in this hornets nest,surronded by shady characters and big money.It is strange that so much money was spent on the 50(!) concerts and the movie TII while no thought seems to have been given to the person, human being Michael Jackson who after all was to be the core and heart of all this expensive,(to say the least)hoopla.
    Since murray entered the scene his condition started to deteriorate bit by bit.
    It defies common sense. Even so his last rehearsal was said to be good.
    The strange requests put forward by murray at his trial and the judge allowing them surprises me.Murray is like a man banging his head against the wall in order for reality and truth to go away.
    Gatorgirl on From Atop The Giving Tree had a good blog, more or less proved that Michael was unconscious when the final Propofol was given. Murray is going to ask for postponements and getting them until someone testifies the way he wants.Now that Lloyds is in on it I hope some matters will be straightened out.
    Don´t worry over murray agreeing to do the unthinkable,he was in serious financial straights.

    ,murray´s accptance-he was in deep financial straights and that is why he accepted to do the unthinkable.

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  96. Chris permalink
    June 9, 2011 12:11 am

    What I found interesting is that Lloyd’s claimed that they wanted info on Murray since December 09. Why wouldn’t AEG give them info if they got nothing to hide.
    Which is very interesting to me as MJ had 2 million left for advances right. 150,000 x 11 = 1,600,000 + equipment and doctors travel and living expenses.
    How did AEG know what to pay doctor when he wasn’t even in the picture yet?

    “Randy Phillips has said, that AEG advanced Jackson money to pay the doctor and had been negotiating to provide Murray a $150,000 monthly salary.” Didn’t negotiations start in April.

    I seen no other confirmation of advances other than in this contract in January.

    I also recently found out that Dr Conrad Murray house is in Red Rock county club aka sunrise colony, Partly owned by Colony Capital (this bit I Knew). What I didn’t know is that his practice at 2110 Flamingo Road 301 in Nevada was “Gaming entitled” by Station Casino’s. Go to LunaJo’s excellent recearched video at 14:11 she deserves the credit for the find.

    Meaning the address can be turned into a casino without special approvals. And who has a 75% share in Station Casino’s?

    Colony Capital.

    AEG controlled his earnings.
    CC had his practice and home.

    Some1 said what did Conrad Murray have to gain by Michael’s death? Maybe they asked the wrong question.
    What did he have to lose if he didn’t do what he was told?

    It’s all theory but interesting.

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  97. June 8, 2011 10:02 pm

    I hope they really get AEG who was the major player and made those conntracts against Michael.This is an opportunity to get to those. They had forged signatures, signatures by fAX, and they made it big when Michael died.
    I have been looking at those conntracts of late.And it is great that Michael never paid murray, AEG did.And Thome-Thome is one Doe.The murray trial did not go anywhere. There is a pic. of him riding a plastic elephant in Disneyland and wawing happily.
    If they can clinch AEG the family really needs to sue seriously and get some tough legal help.
    Thome-Thome said he did not believe Michael could do even 1 show. Well had he not been driven to the the insane treatment by murray,but been taken care of properly he could have done 10 concerts to start with.AEG et Does made sure they will get big money no matter what.Michael was controlled and tortured to the end.
    Reading some older posts will give the full picture.Once the scam is exposed they can nolonger use murray to give him a slap on the wrist.

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  98. Suzy permalink
    June 8, 2011 9:26 pm

    @ Alison

    What kind of browser you have? Because with Opera Radaronline never works for me either. But I could access and download the document through Internet Explorer.

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  99. Alison permalink
    June 8, 2011 9:14 pm

    wow! thats unexpected, never thought about that. but i can’t access that link yet, maybe everyone is trying to, will try later.

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  100. Suzy permalink
    June 8, 2011 8:30 pm

    Here is the lawsuit:

    http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/MJ-Lloyds.pdf

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  101. June 8, 2011 8:22 pm

    “Lloyds of London and underwriters will sue AEG and their Does 1-75, fictitious names of individuals and entities according to them”

    Kaarin, this is very encouraging news. If Lloyds of London sue AEG some information may transpire about the circumstances which preceded Michael’s death. I know that Lloyds are talking of Does 1-75 only but we have also noticed some fictitious individuals who were part of the AEG so-called “contract”. I hope AEG loses the case and has to pay millions.

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  102. June 8, 2011 8:12 pm

    Now there might be some progress. Lloyds of London and underwriters will sue AEG and their Does 1-75;ficticious names of individuals and entities that are responsible in some manner for for events and happenings, acc to them.
    They also want information on murray.The insurance contract mentions illnesses and manner of deaths, but not homicide.MJ`s LLC is also mentioned.

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  103. Kandid permalink
    June 8, 2011 5:18 pm

    An additional note: On June 25th, please don’t forget to say a prayer for Paris, Prince, and Blanket. A prayer for their well being, wisdom, and strength. Their toughest days may not be behind them. Someday they will be exposed to the hatred many in the media and internet have lodged against their father for decades.

    Okay. We have to agree to disagree. I respect your detailed argument. What MJ admitted to, what Janet said in a recent interview about him being in denial, and what Elizabeth Taylor witnessed is a lot harder to dispute. But the thing is, the issue doesn’t warrant a debate!!!! The only thing I want to spend my time on is doing my part to protect the integrity of MJ’s legacy, and his legacy is NOT his personal struggles or idiosyncrasies. It’s the man, father, son, brother, uncle, and lastly the Legend. We should continue his mission to improve the things he cared about most; the welfare of children, family, poverty, racial equality, etc.

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  104. June 8, 2011 5:09 pm

    Okay. We have to agree to disagree. I respect your detailed argument. What MJ admitted to, what Janet said in a recent interview about him being in denial, and what Elizabeth Taylor witnessed is a lot harder to dispute. But the thing is, the issue doesn’t warrant a debate!!!! The only thing I want to spend my time on is doing my part to protect the integrity MJ’s legacy, and his legacy is NOT his personal struggles or idiosyncrasies. It’s the man, father, son, brother, uncle, and lastly the Legend. We should continue his mission to improve the things he cared about most; the welfare of children, family, poverty, racial equality, etc.

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  105. June 8, 2011 4:27 pm

    Considering what happened to LMP when she went through a Scientology “detox” program in 1997 because of the breakup from MJ, it’s hypocritical of her to say much about MJ’s stay in hospital in 1995. She ended up in hospital because of it. In fact, anyone could say it was dangerous and the result of sycophants.

    Anyway, here’s the article from the doctor who treated him in 1995:

    Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson’s life after 1995 rehearsal collapse states that there were no drugs…(Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009)

    But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson’s life.”

    In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor’s Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”

    Alleyne didn’t believe it then.

    “I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,’” Alleyne recalled.

    He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring
    outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.

    “Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he’s one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.

    Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious,
    for Bill Alleyne to save his life.

    “Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”

    Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson’s doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor’s patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson’s emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.

    After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.
    “I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor’s mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.

    And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”

    Jackson’s entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn’t let me in.”
    Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.

    But the crush of people inside wasn’t over. The entourage of Jackson’s then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael’s sister.

    “Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,’” Alleyne recalled.

    Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine’s Children’s Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.

    “I’m gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”

    He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”

    Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson’s fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.

    “Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform.

    Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.

    Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson’s family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.

    After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson’s publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson’s people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.

    News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson’s condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.

    “Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”

    Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson’s doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.
    Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.

    “After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”

    Jackson’s entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.

    Near the end of Jackson’s hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”

    Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn’t such a good idea.”

    When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.
    “House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”

    In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson’s famous trademark dance.

    But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne’s every move.
    Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”

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  106. Suzy permalink
    June 8, 2011 4:17 pm

    LMP hang out with the Jacksons a lot (I mean Katherine and the rest of the family), so perhaps it’s where she picked up the “addict” theme. Also Scientology is big on how you shouldn’t use medicine, so she may feel her religion to be justified by it.

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  107. June 8, 2011 4:12 pm

    @Kandid

    The Dr who treated Michael in December 1995 said there were no drugs in Michael’s system at all.

    So yes, I do think LMP is “lying” – or at least, using his addiction to justify why he distanced himself from her after she refused to have his babies.

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  108. June 8, 2011 12:29 pm

    Lloyds of London and underwriters have entered the controversies and are refusing to pay the insurance to AEG,with their ficticious Doe 1-75,individuuals and entities responsible in some manner for events and happenings.
    To state it briefly ,they argue they are only responsible for ACCIDENTS.
    They do want to know about murray and care, and of course much more.This will be a complicated matter.I had difficulty getting the full contract up on screen, so I´ll leave this for now.

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  109. June 8, 2011 9:41 am

    There is no doubt re the cause of death. Propofol went in by an intravenous injection,and a lot of it,as much as in major surgery.It was injected by another
    due to tubing setup and the rapid action of Propofol- he would have been unconsious before he had time to push in that amount.The drinking of propofol is beyond ridiculous.I have explained it in an earlier post under this headline.
    The Benzodiazepines had some effect,but in practice can be disregarded as the Propofol amount was so overwhelming.-There have been some suggestions that murray gave Michael enough, maybe around 2 am and left to his stripbar or whatever,returned around 6/29 am that morning and found Michael dead, srewed up the temperature started frenetic phonecalls, texting for hrs as alibi..,now this is just a hypothesis, nothing else.-Hair samples were taken postmortem from Michael. They will show drugs used during their growth.I am surprised that those results have not come out.Hair does grow microscopically and briefly after death.
    At this point there is no proof of addiction to painkillers.

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  110. June 8, 2011 5:52 am

    Lisa M. Presley >>>>>>http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/65545.aspx. She’s lying too? Oprah? Family (Janet)? I loved…LOVE MJ. PLEASE don’t misunderstand where I am coming from.

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  111. June 8, 2011 5:31 am

    First… thx for reading my blog, not many people do. LOL. But seriously, have you ever dealt with an addict. OMG. It is DEVASTING. It will keep you up at night crying until you can’t form tears. I’m serious. Yes, I’ve read the report. One report doesn’t cover it all though. Yes, they metaphorically hanged Michael. The media, shady businessmen, souless doctors, etc. The question that nobody wants to answer is….who provided the rope?????

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  112. lcpledwards permalink
    June 8, 2011 5:11 am

    @ Kandid
    Thank you for your comment. Yes, your position isn’t popular, but the reason it’s not popular is because it flat out isn’t true! I know where you’re coming from, and I appreciate the compassionate way that you expressed yourself, but you have perpetuated one of the most pervasive falsehoods out there about MJ: that he was a “drug addict” who should have “sought help”. He was not addicted to painkillers or any other drugs, and this was CONFIRMED by the autopsy report, which stated that he was in good health. His desire for propofol was to use it to get sleep, not because he “demanded” it. It’s not even possible to become addicted to propofol because your body cannot become chemically dependent on it, and without a chemical dependance you cannot have withdrawal symptoms (which addicts suffer from when they don’t get their drugs.) I read what you wrote about MJ on your blog, and it it seems like you’re trying to pigeonhole him as a “drug addict”. Let me ask you this: did you read the autopsy report? http://beensnookered.blogspot.com/2010/10/just-when-i-thought-mjs-tragedy-couldnt.html

    I would respectfully suggest that you read the following posts for more information. Once again, thank you for expressing yourself in a positive, non-confrontational way. After reading the posts below, come back and let us know if you still feel the same way about MJ drug problems, and myself and the other readers of this blog will engage you in conversation in order to dispel any misconceptions you still have about MJ.

    http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/03/discrepancies-part-i.html

    http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/04/discrepancies-part-ii.html

    http://www.mj-777.com/?p=7729#comments

    http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/AutopsyRevealsTheTruth.html

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  113. June 8, 2011 4:07 am

    I know my position is not popular, but if’s fair. Just think of me as that “friend” MJ never had. A friend who loved him enough to suggest he had some culpability. If not in this manslaughter incident, he had a responsibility to get help for the pain addiction he admitted to in 93-94. He admitted he had a problem. Saught treatment. And it truly breaks my heart that he was not able to defeat his dependance on prescription medication. As a person who loves someone that abuses painkillers, I see this from a personal perspective.

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  114. June 7, 2011 5:17 pm

    It took many years of many people of illwill to bring Michael to an almost untenable position. No way did Michael have the will to be slaughtered or murdered . The question of Free Will is complex and would need it´s own blog.

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  115. June 7, 2011 12:08 pm

    kaarin22 I agree!!! Hindsight is 20/20, but who would have thought a doctor would be so reckless as to treat insomnia with Propofol? The drug has a history of abuse, but physicians abuse it, not everyday people. Murray had the obligation to save Michael from himself and he didn’t. Scratch that. ATTEMPT to save him. Nobody can save you but yourself. Even God gives you free will.

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  116. June 7, 2011 10:58 am

    Where does the unlimited amount of money come from? And it is not only for the payment of lawyers and complex albeit unneccessary medical expriments, also for his disappearing debts.I strongly suspect
    you and many others suspect the same people and entities, but how to prove that? In the trial cards are stacked in favor of murray,he gets whatever he wants and the judge goes along.Murrays mysterious finances are off limits in the trial.Still they are one of the most significant factors.Murray is guilty,but it woudn´t have gone this far
    and this way if it was murray alone behind the homicide.

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  117. June 6, 2011 8:16 pm

    He seems to have unlimited amounts of money for ridiculous and fruitless medical experiments. I guess he will learn a bit of medicine by way of all the microbiology,pharmacokinetics tests that he requests.This is beyond ridiculous. Apparently Murray enjoys his life and will ask for postponements into eternity.

    Kaarin, this unlimited amount of money is the most interesting part of it. I wonder where it comes from?

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  118. June 4, 2011 4:27 pm

    I will briefly repeat the math. re Propofol found in stomach at autopsy;
    Total stomach content ie dark liquid 70 grams
    Total Propofol found in stomach content 0.13 milligrams
    Now calculate above into micrograms:
    70 grams = 70 000 000 micrograms
    0.13 milligrams =130 micrograms
    Propofol concentration in stoach content =130/70 000 000 micrograms.

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  119. June 4, 2011 4:09 pm

    Now murray got postponement again.He just can´t stomach the fact that
    expert witness Dr.Stephen Shafer,anestesiologist stated that it is impossible that Michael died from drinking the Propofol.Among other tests he is still on the idea of veterinary medicine;that is having the pig drink Propofol.-It is just so simple-the Propofol went in i.v..He seems to have unlimited amounts of money for ridiculous and
    fruitless medical expriments.I guess he will learn a bit of medicine
    by way of all the microbiology,pharmacokinetics tests that he requests.This is beyond ridiculous. Apparenly murray enjoys his life and will ask for postponements into eternity.

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  120. May 31, 2011 9:17 pm

    Giving Propofol as TREATMENT for insomnia ,without monitoring equipment was not illegal because nobody in their wildest dreams thouhgt anybody, and even less a MD would have the CRAZY IDEA of doing it at home.

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  121. ZEROMARCY permalink
    May 9, 2011 9:12 pm

    guys sorry i missed some points: how do u know that jason and deirèe are in contact?

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  122. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 7:17 pm

    “What is it that makes you think this man is telling the truth?”

    I never said I believe he is telling the truth, I believe he is lying, but I just want to have the whole story, that’s all.

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  123. lynande51 permalink
    May 9, 2011 4:43 pm

    @ Shelley, The bottom of the story is that Jason Pfieffer is a liar. Of course he continues to propagate his story if he doesn’t he can be sued for slander and liable. He allowed the story to be published in August in the Australian Woman’s Day. Then about 9 months later he goes on E and speaks the words. It is wrong for anyone to think that Michael Jackson can’t be slandered because of his death. Michael Jackson was /is a persona. His reputation still has value as evidenced by how much he made after his death. Pfieffer told a story that is a lie a story intended to have a negative effect on Michael’s reputation, the very reputation that leads people to buy his records and his future music. That is slander and liable. If he doesn’t stick to his lie he can be sued for a lot of money and the whole thing started because he and Klein’s business manager are being investigated for fraud, and embezzlement for overbilling in Klein’s clinic. I don’t think I would want to believe that this man says anything close to the truth. What is it that makes you think this man is telling the truth? Is it because Desiree says that he is genuine and honest? Look at that source and then read his first comment on her board where he calls them nitwits. Nice guy. Good friend right. He only posted there because no one would read his blog otherwise. As for the link to Klein selling his car I can give you that, big deal. You know if you want to move on and read something more up to date do it, because the readers here don’t care about Klein or Pfieffer or Desiree. Go do your own research and be friends with him on Facebook we have more serious matters to discuss here.

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  124. ZEROMARCY permalink
    May 9, 2011 11:33 am

    guys sorry i messed some points: how do u know that jason and deirèe are in contact?

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  125. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 10:58 am

    It’s because I have with liars, I’d like to go to the bottom of that story.

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  126. May 9, 2011 7:27 am

    Suzy, I guess it’s just the annoyance of it, that it is so obviously a lie, you know?

    It’s like Matt Fiddes and Susan Etok and Mark Lester… such obvious lies and how shameless they are with it and that makes it even worse in a way, like they can get away with such blatant lying in public about someone like MJ and nobody tries to catch them out on it.

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  127. May 9, 2011 7:21 am

    How is it Jason & Desiree found one another?

    Vermin generally live in the same area, don’t they? They recognize each other well.

    I thought he and Klein were in fear of their lives from the ferocious Jackson Fans?

    LOL exactly, and now he wants to write a book, sure the MJ fans won’t be sending death threats over that, and if he does get published (doubtful), about his assocations with pedophile believers.

    @Shelly

    You should screencap. If you have MSPaint you should be able to.

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  128. Suzy permalink
    May 9, 2011 7:20 am

    @ Shelly

    Of course, you do whatever you want, but I don’t know why you bother yourself with this story so much. It’s so obviously made up and a lie. Why waste your time on it?

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  129. shelly permalink
    May 9, 2011 6:58 am

    He added me as a frirnd on his facebook. There are too many info, like when Klein tried to sell his car on ebay he had a link for it on his facebook. There lots of talk about having to deal with TMZ way before MJ died. They both told Levine, in October 2009, they went out of town with Arnie’s boyfriend in May the same year. On his facebook, in May 2009,he said he was on holidays with Klein and his boyfriend. There are lots of others stuff like that.

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  130. Dialdancer permalink
    May 9, 2011 5:25 am

    Dag I said I wasn’t going to do this. How is it Jason & Desiree found one another?
    I thought he and Klein were in fear of their lives from the ferocious Jackson Fans?

    How do we know this is truly Jason? It is not like Desiree and others haven’t done something similar to start trouble and even if not them you have your general run of the mile troublemakers.

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  131. shelly permalink
    May 8, 2011 9:14 pm

    “BTW, in the interview Pfeiffer also says he didn’t know Murray and the first time he heard about him was from the news after Michael’s death. What an intimate relationship they had if he didn’t even know the doctor who was there with Michael every night.”

    Good point.

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  132. Suzy permalink
    May 8, 2011 9:07 pm

    @ Julie

    I totally agree with your analysis. This is what I thought from day one as this story came out: that it was constructed as an explanation for Michael’s visits to Klein’s office. In his Extra interview Pfeiffer claims most of the time they met in Klein’s office. Excuse me but why would Michael want to have his dates with his lover in his doctor’s office with all the other patients, the employees, fans and paparazzi around (there were always lots of fans and paparazzi in and around that office)? Don’t they have homes to go to? Couldn’t they have found a more private environment for their dates? So yeah, the story was clearly constructed to explain Michael’s visits to Klein’s office (and of course, they probably didn’t have anything against the tabloid money they got for it either).

    BTW, in the interview Pfeiffer also says he didn’t know Murray and the first time he heard about him was from the news after Michael’s death. What an intimate relationship they had if he didn’t even know the doctor who was there with Michael every night.

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  133. Julie permalink
    May 8, 2011 8:39 pm

    I personally feel that Klein contacted this story right after Michael’s death so as to make up an explanation for the reason Michael was in his office so much before he died. Klein was being investigated and was also having to produce records, etc. There is just too much craziness surrounding Klein. The fact that he called into TMZ to ask why they had not run the Pfeiffer story and then Klein himself shows up on the show to discuss the fact that Michael liked to pee in public and in front of people. How absurd!!!! The only thing just reeks. If you watched LMP on Oprah in October she said that she would pick Michael up from a certain doctor’s office and he would be out of it. When Oprah inquired about the reason for the doctor visits, LMP replied with something to the effect that Michael would need certain things for his skin. Ok, Red Flag! I’m quite sure it was Klein and that would have been back in the 90’s. So, Klein concocts this story, which is so sad it’s scary that MJ would be involved sexually with Pfeiffer and now they are at odds, so both are pointing the finger at each other. Pfeiffer sure doesn’t want to admit he lied, but we all know he did. I think all of Klein’s actions are what has caused him financial diffiulties which in turn has resulted in his bankruptcy.

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  134. Suzy permalink
    May 8, 2011 8:15 pm

    @ rockforeveron

    Well even in his Extra interview he was like: “yeah, we had sex but not very much, well it was more sensual than sexual” bla-bla-bla. So yeah, exaggerated. Compared to the nothing that was really between them.

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  135. May 8, 2011 8:07 pm

    @Shelly

    Yeah, it’s all about him. Mike is incidental.

    I’m so curious about how he says Klein made him exaggerate their love story for the media, why would Pfeiffer go along with this? As a lover of Michael’s, why would you a) want to go public at all less than 2 months after he died and b) want to exaggerate for more press for the sake of your colleague?

    Who does things like that? How does that make any sense???

    I mean, I know we all know they were in it together, and now Pfeiffer is trying to save his skin, but do they not realize how stupid they sound? We’re not idiots.

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  136. May 8, 2011 7:58 pm

    Yes, in his interview he spoke about how he hated the lies said about Klein, he seemed very upset about that.

    Why friends with Desiree? Because he has nobody else. Klein has thrown him under the bus, it seems his other friend Paul Camuso has also ditched him, so who does he have? TMZ isn’t on his side, he couldn’t get his interview to air on Extra.

    It’s all so pathetic, but as always, exposing them for who they are.

    Notice how the people who come out and speak the truth about Mike and are positive about him never end up like this?

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  137. shelly permalink
    May 8, 2011 7:57 pm

    @rock

    It’s him on this blog, and I can tell you from talking that he really doesn’t care about MJ and his family.

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  138. Suzy permalink
    May 8, 2011 7:55 pm

    @ Rockforeveron

    He and Klein really seem to be in a war with each other. (In his interview he was singing praises of Klein. He called him his best friend and all.)

    And there goes his claim about the purpose of his interview being to clear Michael’s name from p-lia accusations. So that’s why he is teaming up with D. now, right?

    But I think we should stop paying attention to him. That’s exactly what he and the likes of D. want. These people really are the scum of this Earth.

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  139. May 8, 2011 7:24 pm

    And you can see how BFF he and Desiree are in the comment section.

    Such a nice friend of Michael’s.

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  140. May 8, 2011 7:14 pm

    Shelly, his twitter screename was JPSnaggs, so maybe try searching for that on forums?

    It seems he might also now have a blog:

    http://jasonpfeiffer.blogspot.com/

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  141. May 8, 2011 4:30 pm

    Correction: it makes sense that the lidocaine content was somewhat higher as lidocaine is 100% watersoluble and propofol is an emulsion
    with a fatty part attatced.

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  142. May 8, 2011 4:25 pm

    This post to show you that the “drank it” defence is beyond the ridiculous.Some metric calculations; total amount of dark liguid stomach amount =70.0 grams.
    70 grams = 70 000 milligrams
    70 000 milligrams = 70 000 000 micro grams.
    0.13 milligrams =130 micrograms.
    To calculate the CONCENTRATION of propofol divide 130 with 70000000.
    At the most a drop. It makes sense that the propofol was slightly higher as it is 100% watersoluble and thefore leeches more easyly.

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  143. Suzy permalink
    May 8, 2011 2:33 pm

    I mainly visit MJJ Community nowadays. Before that there might have been other places I posted on, but just a couple of times. It also could have been a forum I just visited and never posted on. So I really can’t remember.

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  144. shelly permalink
    May 8, 2011 2:17 pm

    @suzy,

    I believe you it’s just that I like to show the truth to some people. Could you give me the forums where you usually post, maybe I can find it myself.

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  145. Suzy permalink
    May 8, 2011 1:35 pm

    @ Shelly

    No. It was long ago and I didn’t save any of it. I don’t even know any more which forum it was. You will just have to take my word for it or not to believe it.

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  146. shelly permalink
    May 8, 2011 1:14 pm

    @suzy

    Sorry to bring back the Pfeiffer story, but can you give me the link to the forum where people were speaking about his tweet 2or 3 days before the Extra interview.

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  147. May 5, 2011 6:48 pm

    It seems they are still mulling over the possibility that Michael drank the propofol. Either they don´t know the metric system or lack
    knowledge of simple math.
    The stomach content in its entity was 70.0 grams of dark liquid. One gram of water and most bodyfluids = 1.0 ml, 1.o gram =1000 mgs. So 70.0 grams =70000mgs of stomach content. In this was found propofol 0.13 mgs and Lidocaine 1.6 mgs. It makes sense that the lidocaine content was higher as it is 100% water soluble. Propofol is an emulsion and the fat part has to be spit off before it can go from bloodvessel in stomach wall into stomach content. The amount was less than a drop and less than what was found in the transparent fluid that fills the eye balls and has no blood vessels.
    Most people probably know this, but maybe murrays lawyers pretend not to understand.”

    Kaarin, thank you for your explanation and making it so simple! I think all of us should remember it!

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  148. May 2, 2011 12:30 am

    It seems they are still mulling over the possibility that Michael drank the propofol.Either they don´t know the metric system or lack
    knowledge of simple math.Murray ought to know as it is basic for calculating drug doses.
    The stomach content in its entity was 70.0 grams of dark liquid.One gram of water and most bodyfluids = 1.0 ml. 1.o gram =1000 mgs.So
    70.0 grams =70000mgs of stomacch content.In this was found propofol 0.13 mgs and Lidocaine 1.6 mgs.It makes sense that the lidocaine content was higher as it is 100% water soluble.Propofol is an emulsion and the fat part has to be spit off before it can go from bloodvessel in stomach wall into stomach content.The amount was less than a drop and less than what was found in the transparent fluid that fills the eye balls and has no bloodvessels.
    Most people probably know this,but maybe murrays lawyers pretend not to understand.

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  149. April 26, 2011 1:19 pm

    Murray was very busy the whole morning 6/26 with his telephone calls and text messages.Wonder if Michael was awake during all those calls.Should have been if murray is telling any truth which he isn´t
    And while on telephone and computer which way was he turned, did he have his back to Michael or was Michael privy to his affairs?
    Some really bad news re the trial;Murray´s personal life and his finances must not be questioned.He is a sociopath,owed the federal government 1.25 mln for overbilling. This was up in Las Vegas ,but was put on hold as he promised to pay it,+ all other debts he had ,some of which have magically disappeared.How come he was so sure that much money will come his way?He agreed to this very dangerous hometreatment for the money only.
    My suspicion is that Michael had died earlier in the morning from this OD.To confuse time of death the temperature (end of June) was turned up.Then the delay in calling 911.Now Michael liked to have some noise, like the TV on, it made him relax. The noises during Anding tel.call could be from TV.-He meddled with evidence so why not help with some staging of this accident too.-Leaving out his sociopathic peronality and his mysterious finances ,the trial will look at this homicide with tunnel vision only
    The hair samples should give evidence of drugs used.Hair does grow a little bit after death.
    Once the paramedics had everythimng ready to go and were in the ambulance Murray was still in Michaels bedroom.Stated by a paremedic(Blount ,can´t recall name exactly now)saw him through the bedroom window.

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  150. Chris permalink
    April 25, 2011 7:37 pm

    The only reason I mention it is that the person I mentioned had to stop taking them because he was over sleeping and if woken still felt the effect of the drug.
    I didn’t put my last comment clear enough. The person I know only took normal amount but they are used for mild and severe pain.

    Do you remember people saying in 2005 trial that he was incoherent and stumbling around. Well I know this drug had that effect because I’ve seen the effects just something for those addict claimers to think about. I’m sure MJ with his burns needed a far stronger drug as well so effects would be stronger too.

    No this drug is used for pain relief. What I was trying to say was due to Klein giving him whatever they said that He would come in the morning after and it still made him sleepy and drowsy for rehearsals even though they were probably working the effect hadn’t warn off. The person also couldn’t sleep due to severe back pain/rare back condition. That’s why I thought Michael may of been taking it or something similar before ordered to stop.
    The oddest thing is why order him to stop taking something that is helping him with his insomnia? As said the person had to stop taking it because he would over sleep or feel grogy for hours after waking up. But surely it would be in Michael’s best interests for him to get his rest this way than being put in a coma night after night.
    Or you could hire some1 to make sure he takes it so that when it kicks in at the right time (lets say half an hour before rehearsals end). Therefore it was AEG’s duty to make sure he recieved the right treatment and they chose wrong!
    However I only heard it alledged not guaranteed.

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  151. April 25, 2011 7:18 pm

    “What if Michael was asleep? Murray wanted a little more time before he woke up to make his phone calls.”

    Lynette, I think that if Michael was asleep it makes all the difference in the world. I am absolutely not interested whether Murray wanted or didn’t want to call his girls – what is important is that:

    1) Murray’s story of Michael being awake and begging for propofol is a LIE – Michael was asleep when Murray gave him propofol.

    2) if Michael was asleep there was no need to give that injection of propofol at all – when a patient is sedated no anesthesiologist will make a new injection to him “to be on the safe side”. Especially if it is a potentially very dangerous drug which – in combination with the other drugs Murray gave Michael that night – could stop (and did stop) his breathing.

    3) the fact that he did it either shows that Murray is a complete ignoramus in medicine or he did it on purpose. And no “girls” are an explanation here. Murray could have called them later when Michael was to be at a rehearsal. Though Murray was to be present there he wasn’t probited from making telephone calls.

    Somehow I am not prepared to think that Murray was a complete nitwit in medicine -after all he had his licence and his patients were of a good opinion of him. So this leaves us only with the second variant – he did it intentionally.

    As regards telephone calls it is absolutley incongrious that Murray called everyone except his direct boss to whom he reported everything as regards Jackson (except his death). I mean Randly Phillips who had drafted a contract with Murray.

    Since neglecting to call him is simply impossible there are two options here – either the information about that call was erased or they didn’t make any calls to each other because both of them knew about it without any talk.

    “… if Murray did do the above scenario that was definitely murder”.

    I think it was.

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  152. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 6:45 pm

    @Chris, If it is alleged that Michael was tired and they say it was Klein’s drugs? So AEG insisted on using Murray that leads me to believe they just demanded that Michael use their hired killer. Michael would not have had to take any drugs to go to rehearsal tired. He WAS tired, not sleeping and that is where Murray comes in.

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  153. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 6:31 pm

    Actually after reading Nikki’s post on the amount of urine in the bag I think I have a possible solution to the urine in Michaels bladder. I got the answer from Michaels lungs. They had dependent pulmonary edema (fluid in the alveoli “little air sacs” in the lungs). Pulmonary edema developed not because Michael stopped breathing, he stopped breathing because his heart stopped first. His heart had the largest concentration of propofol found in the body. When the heart stops pumping the blood stops where it is in the body. That would mean that the concentration of propofol would not have been in the kidneys because there was no blood flow to them to perfuse and eliminate the propofol to increase the amount in the urine. The amount of urine also indicates that Michael died very rapidly after being given the propofol and therefore the body did not eliminate it the way it would in the case of a “slower” death. Michael may have been sedated but Murray probably pushed the propofol in and did it over a short span of time. What if Michael was asleep? Murray wanted a little more time before he woke up to make his phone calls. Instead of using more benzo’s he decided to push in some propofol to make sure he stayed asleep but due to a rapid infusion he stopped Michael’s heart and killed him. I would have to ask Nikki to be sure but I think a rapidly bolused infusion of propofol would do just that, stop someones heart right were it was at. I don’t really care what his motive is if it was AEG paying him to do it or him wanting “quality” time with his ladies, if Murray did do the above scenario that was definitely murder.

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  154. Chris permalink
    April 25, 2011 6:24 pm

    @ lynande51

    “What I will repeat is probably the most important thing about this whole mess. Klein did not inject Michael with Demerol according to that bill and the autopsy report.”

    Alledgedly, Randy Phillips told MJ only to take Murray’s drugs and not klein’s. The reason for this is MJ was turning up to rehearsals tired due to the effect of the drugs Klein used.
    Do you know what drug it was?
    Someone I know had back problems and used co-codamol to sleep that made them very drowsy. They could sleep for 24 hours with those tablets.

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  155. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 5:16 pm

    @ thetis7

    “Having need for money and DA looking for you for MJ’s death can cause a great amount of stress and then you need something for distraction.”

    Not only distraction, but tabloid magazines and TV shows tend to pay for these kind of stories. Remember when Michael’s cousin, Tim Whitehead said that in 1993 he was offered $100 000 by a tabloid to say MJ was gay? It could be a way for someone to make quick money.

    @ Helena

    Sorry for the distraction. I think it may be connected to the Murray trial since both Klein and Pfeiffer are on the potential witness list and we need to know where they are coming from and what to expect from them in case they will be called.

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  156. April 25, 2011 5:05 pm

    This post is called “Someone to Monitor Me” – so talking about Dr. Murray and Michael’s death would probably be more appropriate here.

    Earlier I quoted Nikki who made a breakthrough discovery based on Michael’s autopsy report. Michael was sedated or asleep when Murray gave him propofol – so there was absolutely no need to give it to him except of course the case of giving it to him on purpose.

    Has anyone paid attention to this stunning discovery?

    Nikki’s post is called “But I have got to pee” and she is discussing the volume of urine in Michael’s bladder. It is a very personal thing of course but since we have to do with a murder case let us put aside all prudish considerations and if this clue takes us to the truth about Michael’s death so be it.

    In any case it is much better than salivating at a possibility of seeing the photo of Michael’s naked body which, for example, Jane Vellez Mitchell is absolutely looking forward to. She wants to make sure that Michael’s nose was not falling off and see with her own eyes vitiligo spots as if everything everything we heard and saw before is not enough:

    http://www.facebook.com/l/82d5eQvSY0d3M2q1vEZncERMETQ/www.megaupload.com/?d=X30IKTU0

    Well, let swines dig in their dirt to the very bottom of it, while we return to Nikki who is handling her sensitive issue in a very respectful way. Her post is an absolute must read.

    Here is an excerpt from it – for full story and important comments go to http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/03/but-i-have-got-to-pee.html :

    “In a normal person (as in, someone without diabetes insipidus) , someone usually makes urine in proportion the amount of fluids they take in, so, a person who drinks just a little bit of liquid should not pee as much as someone who has taken in a lot of liquids. Murray claims Michael was dehydrated–so Murray may have actually given Michael a lot of IV saline fluids, either for dehydration or some other reason (perhaps a reason like Monica hinted at, for example).

    So, assuming Murray gave Michael a lot of fluids, for whatever reasons, it caused Michael to produce a lot of urine. Here is where the problem occurs–Michael had 550 mL of urine in his bladder. A normal bladder comfortably holds 300-350 mL of urine. A “full” bladder holds about 500-700 mL of urine. Michael’s bladder had about 550 mL of urine in it so his bladder was at capacity. The desire to urinate begins to be felt when the bladder is at about 25% of its working value–so, if the working volume was 400 mL for Michael then at about 100 mL Michael should have felt the need to pee. Whatever the percentage, at 550 mL Michael should have felt the need to urinate and urinate ASAP. But, Murray claims Michael was awake, “demanding” propofol. Really? Michael was awake yet did not think to empty his at-capacity bladder? In fact, Michael should have felt the urge to go well before he passed away but yet died with a full bladder but Murray insists Michael was awake all this time. I seriously doubt an awake Michael consciously held this much urine and did nothing about it, hell, he did not even have to get up to pee since he had a condom catheter on–I think almost certainly Michael was sedated thus did not feel the need to urinate and that is why his bladder was full. He would have peed had he been awake during all that time when Murray claims he was awake demanding this and that and what not.

    With Michael creating that amount of urine and holding it all that time one has to ask if Michael EVER awoke at any point on June 25th before he died? It does not seem likely from my point of view.

    …a condom catheter does not actually enter the body–it is external and merely collects urine as it is released from the body. It does not help one to urinate or anything like that–it simply collects it and keeps it from soiling the patient…I would think had he been awake he’d have relieved himself well before allowing his bladder to get that full as I don’t think he would have been comfortable with that much urine in his bladder.

    … the comments above seem to be yet another indication that Michael was in fact sedated when he was killed.

    http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/03/but-i-have-got-to-pee.html

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  157. April 25, 2011 5:01 pm

    Helena, yes, it’s funny as hell. Lynette’s comment is self explanatory and don’t forget Klein’s $1 millon debt plus the DA was visiting him as early as July 2009. Having need for money and DA looking for you for MJ’s death can cause a great amount of stress and then you need something for distraction.

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  158. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 4:47 pm

    Of course on a lighter note it did bring quite a smile to find our not so favorite Michael Jackson hater exposed for the fraudulent manipulator of her spin that she is.I don’t want to gloat too much you all know how she can get when she has the truth pointed out to her.But:):):)

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  159. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 4:26 pm

    The truth of the matter is that Pfieffer started all of this way back and Klein participated in and allowed Pfieffer to spread and sell his lie. Pfieffer originally approached the Australian magazine Womans Day and sold it to them in August of 2009. In order to do that he had to have gone to them almost immediately after Michael’s death. His motivation was to distract the public away from his crime of embezzelment, probable insurance fraud if any of the clinics patients were covered for treatments, and focus on something trivial. We have to now look at the people that billed MJ when he went to see Klein it was Pfieffer and Klein’s business manager not Klein.A doctor never does his own billing they don’t have any idea how to find the ICD-9 codes trust me on that. For all we know they may have been overbilling (it appears that way to me) each and every patient of Klein and all of his medical associates.It is just that their secret was going to be exposed when Michael was murdered by Murray and they scrambled for anything they could to cover up their secret.It is a classic act of a criminal attempting to cover up the tracks to the paper trail.
    Going back to my earlier comment where I said that the one thing there billing invoice showed me was that they itemized each thing in their office. That is more than a common occurance in a private Dermatology office, it is practically universal.
    The best news is that they are making themselves, as well as Klein, accomplices to MJ’s murder by trying to cover their embezzelment by saying that Klein was giving him IM injections of Demerol. If Klein has a DEA number that allows him to prescribe controlled substances that should have beeen indicated on the bill that was made available in the court documents when Klein sued Michael for the remaining balance in his outstanding medical bill. This was actually due to him as all medical procedures leading up a persons death are billable (sorry death is not free in the good old USA).
    What I will repeat is probably the most important thing about this whole mess. Klein did not inject Michael with Demerol according to that bill and the autopsy report. Demerol was not found in any of his tissue samples and if Michael had gotten it anytime within the previous 3 months evidence of it would have been found for 3-6 months following the last use of an opiate.
    Murray’s defense team has been tossing out the most ridiculous things to confuse people and cause some kind of reasonable doubt in his favor.It is though they expect to be able to say that he deserved to die for this reason , that reason or any other reason they can put out there.Well I have a couple of questions that MIGHT put it back into perspective.
    Who is paying for Dr. Murray’s legal bills and now a PR firm? Murray is broke and was close to bankruptcy before he was hired by AEG to be Michael’s doctor while on tour. In recent news that has broken it was evident that Murray is probably a sex addict because he made phone calls to 3 different women that basically charged for their “friendships” and he was on the phone or texting them in the middle of the administration of a life threatening medication in a dangerous setting. That proves to me that he did not have Michael’s best interest at heart when he took the job, started that IV and left that room to go “romance” his ladies.He was and is held to a higher responsibilty that the rest of you. He is held to the same standards I am both ethically and legally. When he inserted an IV canula into Michael Jacksons body he broke the law. When he left him unattended he was guilty of gross misconduct and when he did not respond appropriately to Michaels needs he was guilty of manslaughter at the very least. How do I know? Because I would be and he and I are in the same business, the field of medicine, the one that is supposed to keep people alive and well, not put them in dangerous situations and then abandon them.

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  160. April 25, 2011 3:41 pm

    http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=116e78ac-b8af-42a0-8f5e-aedadcecafd3

    Thetis, and this mountain of a man alleges he was MJ’s lover? Please tell me honestly that people are pulling my leg!

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  161. April 25, 2011 11:58 am

    Maybe the big fat liar forgot his “taken out of context” mumbling

    http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=116e78ac-b8af-42a0-8f5e-aedadcecafd3

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  162. ares permalink
    April 25, 2011 11:25 am

    @Suzy
    No, i wasn’t implying that MJ fans are homophobes, i was trying to say something else. I wish i could send you a personal message but anyway.

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  163. Anna permalink
    April 25, 2011 8:45 am

    Wel, I’m no fan of Arnie Klein but I’m finding it oddly humorous that he put Desiree on blast on his facebook page, lol.

    @Suzy

    The whole thing with Desiree and her blog is just creepy, it’s as if she’s trying to be the next Diane Dimond or something. I totally agree about your assessment of Arnie Klein, he was no innocent bystander in the gay story. I have a feeling the war of words between him and Jason hasn’t stopped yet.

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  164. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 7:38 am

    @ David

    Deisree now claims to have contacted and met Jason Pfeiffer. She describes him as (are we surprised?) honest and genuine, LOL. University student my ass. She’s more like an aspiring tabloid journalist with a sick obsession about MJ. I hope one day she manages to piss off somebody enough to get her ass sued off.

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  165. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 7:27 am

    @ Lynette

    Klein is a liar as well as Jason Pfeiffer is. They are lying about different aspects of the story. Pfeiffer lies about the story being true (according to an article on TMZ he still sticks to it: “Jason insists, “The story is true. We had a relationship with sexual aspects, but I’m not going to make it into some grand love affair.” Now it’s a relationship “with sexual aspects”? What that would mean? Him having erotic dreams about MJ? LOL. And now it’s not “some grand love affair”. Strange. At first they were “soul mates” and he was the love of Michael’s life….) and Klein lies about what his role was in making this up. It’s clear that he was in it together with Pfeiffer, Camuso and Muhammed Khilji. Now it seems like a personal war between Klein and Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer says Klein only wants to discredit him because he could say incriminating things about him during the Murray trial. I think it’s true that’s Klein’s motivation with coming out with the truth now. Otherwise he probably wouldn’t.

    Klein reported Pfeiffer and Khilji to the police for stealing big money from him and even falsifying his Will and other forgeries. That case is ongoing. Pfeiffer in turn is on the witness list in the Murray trial. Probably he’s put there by the defense to tell incriminating things about Klein (they are trying to blame much of it on other doctors instead of Murray). Considering the relationship between them now it’s safe to say Pfeiffer will be as incriminating on Klein as he can be. So now Klein came out exposing their gay story to show the liar that Pfeiffer is. What he doesn’t tell is that he was in it just as much as Pfeiffer.

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  166. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 5:48 am

    @ lcpledward, Well I think this was her source and unfortunately I find nothing in her bio that says she is a person highly placed in the music business and Klein is not in that business either. Klein is a little flaky when it comes to Michael and gaining publicity for himself , yes. I think he could have researched other treatments for Michaels vitiligo abroad and had better results because there are stem cell lines that are available in India and the UK that are used for Melanocyte transplantation. I can tell that he is not the biological father of the Jackson kids at a glance. The one thing that I can tell from the documents available is that he did not inject Michael with Demerol. When you look at a medical invoice and it says IM injection while in a dermatologist clinic and that person is having their lips done with a filler they use a shot of Novocaine to numb the inside of the lip first because it is very sensitive ( think about it it makes your eyes water). That is considered an IM injection because it goes into the inside of the lip. they charge for each one of these individually. If you have ever been to the hospital and have asked for an itemized billing like your insurance company gets you will know that they charge for everything . Yes even a box of tissues and if you have to have a bandage they charge for each part of it individually even the tape. I should give you an example of the documentation that I have to do if I dress a wound you guys would be amazed at what has to go in it. You know health care supplies are very expensive.
    That was a little off topic but from the best I can make out Michael had his lips done 3 – 4 times and his eyes and probably his browline and forehead a couple of times. If you have a Restylane treatment to fill in the labial folds ( the line from the corner of the nose to the corner of your mouth) it has to be done more than once for the desired effect and at first tends to look a little overdone but it gradually dissipates and looks more natural. He was also having Botox and using Latisse to restore his natural lashes. As far as I’m concerned and technically speaking these are not surgical procedures they are cosmetic enhancements and when I need them I will get them too.
    If you prescribe Demerol you have to have a special DEA number for controlled substances. If he used it in his office he would have had to list it specifically on his billing invoice and the amount he used. He would have had to account for it somehow because it doesn’t just appear out of thin air and each Milliliter must be accounted for.

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  167. lcpledwards permalink
    April 25, 2011 5:25 am

    @ Lynette
    I have saved a screenshot of Klein’s note, as you requested. I personally am not surprised because I never believed him or Jason Pfiefer for one millisecond, but I am surprised that Desiree really was able to get info from Pippa, or whoever else she used.

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  168. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 5:06 am

    Our foe Desiree has been mentioned specifically on Dr. Kleins facebook. The writer is a Pippa Hudson that was her source for all of her information. Desiree now says that she has been thrown under the bus by someone who is a friend and now more than ever says that Klein is a liar. Of course this implies something very different.

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  169. lynande51 permalink
    April 25, 2011 4:52 am

    Someone as rapidly as you can go to this page and please take a screen shot.

    Desiree stay away from my friends. The only one who knows the truth is me and I don’t talk to vermin
    by Arnold W. Klein on Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 11:10am
    Pippa Hudson April 24 at 12:09am Report
    Dear Dr Klein,

    . It is Easter morning and I am so sad, devastated, ashamed really, and I hope you will give me 2 minutes to read this through for my sake as some sort of an explanation.

    I was approached with a facebook friend request last November by someone called Desiree whom I had never met. I accepted and at some point she said she was interested in the Jason story and could she interview me about it. I assented and during the course of the online interview she questioned me about my evening out with him. I never heard anything else and in due course I in fact removed her from my friends list. I knew nothing about her blog.

    About a month ago or so she contacted me again on my email asking to talk to me again about YOU. She said she had a blog site on which she wrote about topics related to Michael Jackson. I foolishly allowed myself to chat to her online and during the course of less than one hour she asked me about a variety of topics from Elizabeth Taylor, AIDS charities, your paternity of Michael Jackson’s children and well I think that’s all actually. I (foolishly in retrospect) interacted with her and told her in fact exactly what you told me yourself of your own accord about being the Father. I was then told by her last week she was going to post a blog at which time I said “don’t use anything i said.” I am not the first person to be screwed by someone they talked to. That is what has happened. She writes like a tabloid hack and twists things and it all sounds so awful I cannot bear to look again at what she has written.

    When I first came to see you I had no interest whatsoever in these inflammatory subjects that interest so much of the world. I came to see you as the BEST in your field and continue to do so. I found I liked you very much and enjoyed your company and was a welcome recipient of your kindness and the friendliness of some of those around you. You have made a difference in my life. I think you know yourself that you talk a lot about a lot of things NONE of which I have questioned you or asked you about. You have offered this up freely including those comments to me about the children last month. Whatever you think of me I do not want to be thought of as some sort of spy. This has been a mistake on my part of naivety and carelessness.

    If only you knew how much I love and admire you and am grateful for all your kindness. I read your recent public facebook statements with awe and distress for all you are going through and the seeming injustice of everything.
    I would like to continue seeing you as my aesthetician and hope you will allow this. I also hope you can find it is your heart to forgive me and think of me as a friend who made a mistake and not an “informant” as I am presented online. I was myself informed this morning by Desiree (who still of course has my email) of the comment left by one of you – and can understand the rancour and concern. This is a messy business – so much a tangled web. A stranger sought me out and questioned me and I was foolish enough to engage.

    I do hope you can bring yourself to reply – I regret I cannot see you in person to apologise – but will you see me again to do just that when next I am over?

    Yours shamefacedly but with love

    Pippa

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-w-klein/desiree-stay-away-from-my-friends-the-only-one-who-knows-the-truth-is-me-and-i-d/221014977912039

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  170. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 2:22 am

    @ Teva

    I think he knew all along it was a lie and in fact he helped to fabricate it. He just wants out of it now.

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  171. Teva permalink
    April 25, 2011 2:08 am

    So Klein found out it was a lie after he fired Jason, or before? Goes to Klein’s credibility.

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  172. April 25, 2011 2:02 am

    @ Teva, After it aired they claimed they had death threats and needed bodyguards and you could see them both entering the clinic together.

    Klein only claims he found out it was a lie six months ago…

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  173. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 2:00 am

    @ Teva

    He did. The Extra interview aired in April 2010, but it was recorded months before. I think Pfeiffer was fired in the fall of 2010.

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  174. Teva permalink
    April 25, 2011 1:54 am

    At the time of the Extra interview was Pfeieffer still working for AK?

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  175. Teva permalink
    April 25, 2011 1:49 am

    @Ares

    It is not important, but I have found it is good to leave no stone unturn because you never know where it may lead. Also Michael Jackson said he was not gay.

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  176. April 25, 2011 1:31 am

    Pfeiffer deleted his twitter after the airing of the Extra show. He was “JPSnaggs”, here is a tweet Klein made to Pfeiffer the day after MJ’s birthday in 2009:

    The Women’s Day article had already been published.

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  177. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 1:26 am

    @ Shelly

    No, I don’t have a screenshot. But I remember it well. That was how fans first found out about the fact that Extra will air this BS.

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  178. shelly permalink
    April 25, 2011 1:21 am

    “A screenshot for what?”

    For Jason’tweet

    @ares

    If MJ was gay, well it’s not a problem. The question is wether or not the story is true. It’s not about being gay or not.

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  179. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 1:05 am

    @ Ares

    It’s important because it’s a lie. It’s important because haters use this lie to bash MJ.

    I don’t like it when people say MJ fans protest gossip about MJ being gay because they are homophobic – if that’s what you are trying to imply. Most of them protest it because it’s a lie, as simple as that. MJ himself protested it. In fact he seemed hurt by these rumours.

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  180. ares permalink
    April 25, 2011 12:56 am

    Let me just ask this because i don’t feel very comfortable with something here. So, lets say that MJ was indeed gay ? Lets pretend that this Paifer dude had indeed relationships – which i don’t believe- with MJ and he wasn’t lying in that interview, so what? Why is that so important?

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  181. Suzy permalink
    April 25, 2011 12:53 am

    A screenshot for what?

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  182. shelly permalink
    April 25, 2011 12:45 am

    @suzy

    Do you have screenshot for that?

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  183. Suzy permalink
    April 24, 2011 11:36 pm

    Also the person who wrote this e-mail to Pfeiffer asking him is apparently someone who personally knows him and Klein. Someone who did talk about MJ with them. Yet he is totally stunned and surprised by what Pfeiffer claimed in the Extra interview!

    “I knew u were a friend of Michael’s but all the conversations I’ve had with Arnold and occasionally you about Michael I never heard you guys even elude to that. Wow. I just saw you and Arnold 2 days ago.”

    The whole story has LIE written all over it since day one!

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  184. Suzy permalink
    April 24, 2011 11:30 pm

    What I wanted to give a link to was the post “Jason Pfeiffer’s commentary on Extra TV interview”

    Oh, notice when he writes at the end he’d like to write a book about MJ. Surprised? Not really….

    I’m glad at least Klein admitted the story wasn’t true, even if I think he is not as innocent in it as he’d like us to believe now.

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  185. Suzy permalink
    April 24, 2011 11:23 pm

    @ Shelly

    It’s obvious that Pfieffer is a liar, I had never thought otherwise. There’s so much wrong with his story that I lost count of it.

    BTW, on the website you linked in I have also found this: http://thetruthaboutmichael.com/truth/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=2

    I know for a fact that Pfeiffer is lying here as well. He says he and his lawyers tried to stop the Extra interview. Bullshit! A day or two before it aired he was BOASTFUL about how he would be on Extra on his Twitter! There was nothing indicating he was unhappy about this – on the contrary: he advertised it, he was happy about it! (He needed to cease his Twitter though when he was flooded by angry tweets by MJ fans.)

    Oh and cry me a river about how he “needed” to give this interview because he was ripped apart by tabloids. First, no tabloid would have written anything about it if he hadn’t gone to them in the first place. Second he was not really ripped apart by anybody at first. Most people (including fans) just laughed off the story and ignored it at the time. I think his problem was exactly that he didn’t get more reaction.

    Yes, it’s true he didn’t sit for the London tabloid (Sun) to give an interview, but he did for an Australian tabloid (Woman’s Day) which first published the story. All other tabloids took it over from there. At first noone seemed to care so they went shopping around with the story. Henry Levin said in a TMZ chat they were trying to get him publish it too (he didn’t at the time for whatever reason). So there came Extra. So this guy is totally lying through his teeth, there’s no doubt about it. I don’t believe for a moment he didn’t get money for it. Of course, he did!

    What rockonforever posted also indicates this is an “anything for money” type of guy.

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  186. shelly permalink
    April 24, 2011 8:25 pm

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  187. shelly permalink
    April 24, 2011 8:19 pm

    I think Pfeiffer is a liar

    This is what he said in 2009

    “I thought nobody else knew, but have since discovered that others did surmise the truth.”

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2599439/Jason-Pfeiffer-claims-he-was-Jackos-gay-lover.html

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  188. April 24, 2011 7:43 pm

    @rockforeveron I just sent you a message

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  189. April 24, 2011 7:08 pm

    He removed and blocked some people from his fbook, but he still has it. He also has another personal one.

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  190. April 24, 2011 7:06 pm

    Did Klein close his FB page? I can’t find him anymore

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  191. April 24, 2011 6:52 pm

    This:

    And:

    Muhammed Khilji Jason Pfeiffer suspects

    TO: Beverly Hill Police Department
    FROM:Attorney for Dr. Arnold Klein
    DATE: December 7, 2010
    FILE #:
    RE: Theft/Embezzlement
    Victim/Reporting person: Dr. Arnold Klein

    Date of Occurrence: January 2007 through August 2010

    Related reports: Beverly Hills Crime Report – 09-0940

    Summary:

    Dr. Klein is a dermatologist in Beverly Hills. Dr. Klein has operated a medical
    office in Beverly Hills since the 1970’s.

    In 2007, Dr. Klein hired Muhammed Khilji as his accountant. Mr. Khilji oversawaccounts payable and receivable for the office. Khilji directed employees who handledthe accounts payable and receivable. He was also responsible for preparing paymentfor Dr. Klein’s personal expenses, including mortgage payments, payroll for house staff,car payments and credit card payments.

    Jason Pfeiffer began working for the Dr. Klein as a research assistant in 2007. He began to spend time in the office and assist in the office. He eventually became the office manager in early 2009.
    In mid-2010, it was brought to Dr. Klein’s attention by friends and some staff that there were concerns about how his finances were being handled by Khilji and Pfeiffer.

    In September of 2010, upon returning from a trip, Dr. Klein attempted to use his

    Klein Memoranda
    December 14, 2010
    Page 2

    American Express Card for a nominal purchase (approximately $5). The card was denied. In the next few days and weeks Dr. Klein learned that his finances had been substantially depleted. He learned that several loans had been taken out without his knowledge. He learned that over $3 million had been transferred from his retirement account without his knowledge.

    A forensic accounting was performed of all of Dr. Klein’s accounts. Officer records as well as bank records were utilized in the forensic accounting. While the totalamount of loss is believed to be substantially greater, there was $1.3 million of possible unauthorized payments/transactions involving Muhammed Khilji and Jason Pfeiffer identified in the forensic accounting. (See attached accounting)

    Questionable transactions related to Khilji totaled over $500,000.00.

    Transactions without supporting documentation totaled $124,000.00. Among the transactions was a $50,000.00 wire transfer from one of Dr. Klein’s bank accounts to a bank account in Khilji’s name. A number of transactions were for reimbursement of telephones (according to the Quickbook memo) in the amount of $4,000.00. Other transactions with invoices appear to involve “double billing.” Additionally, Khilji admitted
    to giving Pfeiffer an unauthorized loan in the amount of $32,000.00.
    Questionable transactions related to Pfeiffer total more than $250,000.00.

    It was discovered that Pfeiffer opened a “paperless” American Express Card account in the name of Dr. Klein, without the Dr.’s authorization. The card was possessed by Pfeiffer and the invoices were sent directly to him by electronic mail. The debt accumulated on the credit card was paid through Dr. Klein’s bank accounts without his knowledge.

    Additionally, Pfeiffer made numerous unauthorized transactions charging Dr. Klein’s American Express card. It was also discovered that Pfeiffer was receiving up to $4000.00 in cash each month above his regular salary, such payment being authorized by Khilji. This was done without Dr. Klein’s knowledge.

    Khilji, as the accountant, and Pfeiffer, the office manager, controlled all of Dr. Klein’s assets. Changes were made to bank accounts, giving Khilji and Pfeiffer signature authority over Dr. Klein’s accounts. Additionally, several “power of attorney’s” were created giving Khilji and Pfeiffer control over all of Dr. Klein’s finances. With the creation of the control of the assets by Khilji and Pfeiffer, several irregular and unusual transactions occurred.

    Two “hard money” loans were executed involving Dr. Klein’s residence on
    Windsor Avenue in Los Angeles, and his house in Laguna Beach. Dr. Klein was not aware of the loans until the forensic accounting was conducted. He believes that his signature is either forged or was obtained under false pretenses. He did not authorize the loans totaling $3.2million.

    Klein Memoranda
    December 14, 2010
    Page 3

    Dr. Klein’s retirement accounts with Ameritrade were depleted of more than $3 million dollars. The individuals managing his retirement accounts (Klein’s former CPA’s – who sold their practice to Khilji)received authorization forms, but never spoke directly with Dr. Klein. The transfers/withdrawals from the retirement accounts began as early as December 2008. Dr. Klein did not authorize Khilji or Pfeiffer to remove the money
    from his accounts.
    Dr. Klein’s Laguna property was listed for sale with a real estate agent. Initially, Dr. Klein had a “pocket listing” with a agent. However, the listing was to be withdrawn. Khilji never informed the agent and had her change the listing to a public listing. The agent had several public showings of the property, following the instructions given to her by Khilji. When Dr. Klein visited the property, all signs related to the showings were
    removed. Additionally, Khilji contacted a second agent to list the property and had asked for a percentage of her commission if the property sold. Dr. Klein was unaware that the property was still being listed for sale and he did not give Khilji authority tocontinue the listing.

    Dr. Klein’s will was changed making Khilji and Pfeiffer the executors of his estate upon his death. All relatives of Dr. Klein were removed as beneficiaries of his estate. There are a numerous documents with questionable signatures alleged to be Dr.Klein’s signature, including checks, bank authorizations, powers of attorney, codicils towills, etc. Dr. Klein is adamant that he either did not sign the documents or that he was unaware of the document that he was signing.
    Several witnesses have been interviewed regarding the loss. We will continue to interview additional witnesses as they are identified. We will provide documentation as requested

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  192. shelly permalink
    April 24, 2011 6:47 pm

    @rock,

    Did he react to what Pfeiffer said on TMZ?

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  193. April 24, 2011 5:27 pm

    Klein just posted this…

    Desiree stay away from my friends. The only one who knows the truth is me and I don’t talk to vermin

    by Arnold W. Klein on Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 6:10pm

    Pippa Hudson April 24 at 12:09am Report

    Dear Dr Klein,

    . It is Easter morning and I am so sad, devastated, ashamed really, and I hope you will give me 2 minutes to read this through for my sake as some sort of an explanation.

    I was approached with a facebook friend request last November by someone called Desiree whom I had never met. I accepted and at some point she said she was interested in the Jason story and could she interview me about it. I assented and during the course of the online interview she questioned me about my evening out with him. I never heard anything else and in due course I in fact removed her from my friends list. I knew nothing about her blog.

    About a month ago or so she contacted me again on my email asking to talk to me again about YOU. She said she had a blog site on which she wrote about topics related to Michael Jackson. I foolishly allowed myself to chat to her online and during the course of less than one hour she asked me about a variety of topics from Elizabeth Taylor, AIDS charities, your paternity of Michael Jackson’s children and well I think that’s all actually. I (foolishly in retrospect) interacted with her and told her in fact exactly what you told me yourself of your own accord about being the Father. I was then told by her last week she was going to post a blog at which time I said “don’t use anything i said.” I am not the first person to be screwed by someone they talked to. That is what has happened. She writes like a tabloid hack and twists things and it all sounds so awful I cannot bear to look again at what she has written.

    When I first came to see you I had no interest whatsoever in these inflammatory subjects that interest so much of the world. I came to see you as the BEST in your field and continue to do so. I found I liked you very much and enjoyed your company and was a welcome recipient of your kindness and the friendliness of some of those around you. You have made a difference in my life. I think you know yourself that you talk a lot about a lot of things NONE of which I have questioned you or asked you about. You have offered this up freely including those comments to me about the children last month. Whatever you think of me I do not want to be thought of as some sort of spy. This has been a mistake on my part of naivety and carelessness.

    If only you knew how much I love and admire you and am grateful for all your kindness. I read your recent public facebook statements with awe and distress for all you are going through and the seeming injustice of everything.

    I would like to continue seeing you as my aesthetician and hope you will allow this. I also hope you can find it is your heart to forgive me and think of me as a friend who made a mistake and not an “informant” as I am presented online. I was myself informed this morning by Desiree (who still of course has my email) of the comment left by one of you – and can understand the rancour and concern. This is a messy business – so much a tangled web. A stranger sought me out and questioned me and I was foolish enough to engage.

    I do hope you can bring yourself to reply – I regret I cannot see you in person to apologise – but will you see me again to do just that when next I am over?

    Yours shamefacedly but with love

    Pippa

    I am justly reprimanded Zero C00l. This is a war zone and I stepped into a minefield.

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  194. April 22, 2011 4:51 pm

    Klein and Michael knew each other for decades. Despite the negative traits he has shown since Michael´s death he may not have been as compliant as Murray was medicating Michael to death. And also,maybe, he was a reserve scapegoat.
    Murray has repeatedly stated that he, Michael, “liked to push it” thereby attempting to implant the idea into peoples minds that Michael was soo an addict. Instead he uncovers his own belief in the low intelligence of other people. Propofol burns like hell, that´s why a local anaesthetic like lidocaine is injected first. Mixing them is not that good. I was surprised that Klein said Michael may have seemed out of it from Murray injecting Propofol into muscle. It will cause tissue damage and intense pain. Done only accidentally.
    However it may have been a propofol effect. You can even go unconsious again after having woken up.

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  195. April 22, 2011 10:54 am

    “But why Murray, Klein seems to have been the perfect candidate, if his previous actions are anything to go by he did and would do anything for money? If he was willing to be a part a lie ( Pfeiffer) against a man he claimed to have loved days after his death I cannot see him balking at this job. He was more qualified in the sense he had successfully administered the anesthesia to Michael before and knew what to do.”

    Dial – sorry I am so terribly behind with all the comments – so you also found it strange that Dr. Klein wasn’t hired by AEG? And that they even pushed him aside to let Murray in? Given the kind of personality Klein is the only real difference I see between the two doctors is their professionalism – Klein is far more qualified than Murray and this was probably the reason why he was not welcome in this case?

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  196. April 22, 2011 10:44 am

    “I suspect (and dr Klein says), that AEG searched for a desperate doctor who would do anything for money.”

    EXACTLY!

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  197. April 22, 2011 12:10 am

    @Shelly

    It’s in the creditor’s claim they made against the estate, other doctors at that clinic treat Michael in May

    http://i.imgur.com/MokTr.jpg?1255

    and Harvey reports Klein/Pfeiffer both told him this here

    http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?autoplay=true&mediaKey=9c2b1f82-42db-4470-9f73-2b0d36397686&isShareURL=true

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  198. shelly permalink
    April 21, 2011 11:10 pm

    I found that, can anyone confirm that

    “Klein and Pfeiffer with Harvey Levin 3 November,

    Harvey quoting both of them: “They were out of town for a month before [June].”

    That means they were out of town in May, which we know is true because Klein’s creditor claim against Michael’s estate shows that Michael’s last treatment there in May was on the 6th and then he used another doctor until Klein/Pfeiffer presumably returned on the 1st of June.”

    http://andyoubrutus.wordpress.com/

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  199. Dialdancer permalink
    April 21, 2011 11:00 pm

    My apologies. The manner of reporting on the judge allowing the Prosecution to show pictures of Michael dead and alive had my normal erratic writing go even more so. I do not think the judge should allow the Media access to Michael’s death pictures for obvious reasons, however what has me angry is Jane Velez Mitchell’s reporting of what is pertinent to the case and what is not. Her beyond crass pretense speculation of Michael’s skin and surgeries. It takes listening to the report to comprehend. With any luck and a clearer head I will have the film footage available shortly.

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  200. Dialdancer permalink
    April 21, 2011 10:24 pm

    I am so angry I am shaking. HLN an offshot of CNN just completed reporting on the ruling to show the jury, not sure about the Media pictures of Michael after he was pronounced dead. It is not the photos to the jury I object to, I do object to any News outlet getting without 3 states of the photo, but even that is not what is wrong. I dislike most of the Mainstream Media’s reporting and not just because of Michael, but Jane Velez Mitchell has been pretty beneign as far as I am concerned until today. While they are determining whether it is in the interest of justice she starts up with people want to know if he was one color and did he have a tip on his nose.

    WTF…… does this have to do with this trial I recorded it and am preparing it for conversion to a video fie and will be sending it out within the hour. MJV Admin please check your mail.

    ENOUGH…..DAMNIT

    Then there is a sound bit of some loud mouth female teling Murray he is going to hell. I assume this person is the same fool who keeps chasing after his car and basically act the nitwit. The only Jackson Fan the Media is paying attention and she has to know this so why? Why ruin it for the rest, why act in a manner that is counter productive to getting the public to taking us seriously? This is not a rhetorical question I’d like an answer from someone who knows.

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  201. April 21, 2011 2:04 pm

    To continue on the hiring of Murray v. Klein;Maybe someone thought it more appropriare to hire a cardiologist rather than a dermatologist.
    Not that Murrays background is that solid. He was never board certfied in cardiology and his board certfication in The Medical Arts
    had lapsed.There are stains in his medical background other than financial,but I will not go into that now.

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  202. April 21, 2011 12:25 pm

    Dialdancer,that is what Klein says too, why not him? You would have to ask AEG.Supposedly it was Randy Phillips who hired Murray. Klein also claims that he never gave anaesthesia without an anaesthesiologist.The original, and only, request was as far as I know for 24/7.

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  203. Dialdancer permalink
    April 21, 2011 6:14 am

    kaarin22 said,

    “I suspect (and dr Klein says), that AEG searched for a desperate doctor who would do anything for money”

    But why Murray, Klein seems to have been the perfect candidate, if his previous actions are anything to go by he did and would do anything for money? The fact he filed for bankruptcy so soon after Michael’s death leads me to believe Michael had become his main source of income. If he was willing to be a part a lie ( Pfeiffer) against a man he claimed to have loved days after his death I cannot see him balking at this job. He was more qualified in the sense he had successfully administered the anesthesia to Michael before and knew what to do. AEG was footing the bill so he would not need to worry about getting paid and even if AEG only offered him half, 75K monthly that is still a lot of money. If you want your money making asset fit to perform why bring in the B team at 150K when there were A teams out there who do the job unless there was something else going on or something wrong?

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  204. April 21, 2011 12:19 am

    See info in this article re London insurers e-mail to Murray and his response at 57:54 am.The insurer wanted confirmation of Murray´s records on Mr Jackson,dating back to 2006 and asked for his,that is murray´s, medical records on Mr. Jackson.He denied the latter for obvious reasons, one of them because there were none.-I presume the date was 6/25 2009.What I have gathered from other posts is that Michael and his children lived in Ireland 2006 and returned to US on 23/12 2006.That week Michael also attended a funeral in Atlanta.
    I have always been suspicious regarding the cute story of how Murray treated the children for flu.Must have been love at first sight.
    Now it seems not well known how dire Murray´s financial situation was.He owed 1.25 mln to the federal government for over billing.
    Do you recall the good doc who saw his poor patients for free?
    You can find this on Rose Speaks,Michael Jackson Trial:Dr. Conrad Murray Faces Preliminary Hearing.Date of article Jan.4,2011,see
    responses, nr9 .It was up in Las Vegas.The federal attn. is Bogden.
    I suspect (and dr Klein says), that AEG searched for a desperate doctor who would do anything for money.This is now on hold and it seems kept secret.It is Murray´s finances and not Michael´s that should be scrutinized.

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  205. April 20, 2011 9:41 pm

    I took a screenshot of all of it together and highlighted

    I’d love a screenshot of him telling Shelly more though.

    It’s interesting he chooses to say this now. He originally told the story seemingly as a way to make money and as a method of distraction, at the time there were reports about how involved he was in MJ’s death. Pfeiffer has just been listed as a potential witness on the case, I wonder if he’s worried their lies will be caught out in court, so he’s throwing Pfeiffer under the bus pre-emptively.

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  206. Lauren permalink
    April 20, 2011 9:39 pm

    And let’s not forget the timing last year. The following night
    was Aphrodite’s Investigative story about media and the trial.
    And wasn’t that just totally usurped and ignored because of this
    drivel of a purposeful lie?

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  207. Julie permalink
    April 20, 2011 9:29 pm

    Isn’t it absolutely amazing that Klein comes out and says Michael’s gay, promotes it all over the media (even calling in to TMZ to ask Harvey Levin why he hadn’t printed the story), goes on TMZ to discuss it and the peeing in public story (which is absurd) and of course because it’s negative it’s all over the media. He then recants and only when someone actually sees his note on facebook is it repeated. As usual with all things Michael — it’s so sad!

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  208. April 20, 2011 8:31 pm

    Here is Paul Camuso

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  209. April 20, 2011 8:26 pm

    I took screenshots-hold on a minute to upload them

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  210. shelly permalink
    April 20, 2011 8:21 pm

    Thank you Thetis.

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  211. April 20, 2011 8:05 pm

    Guys he just accepted my friend request and I am reading his notes. It’s there, you have to be on his friends list

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  212. April 20, 2011 6:26 pm

    Here are some instructions

    http://www.iopus.com/guides/screenshot.htm

    You should have MSPaint, so you can paste it into there

    And then you can set up a free image hosting account at http://www.imgur.com and upload it there

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  213. shelly permalink
    April 20, 2011 6:21 pm

    I don’t know how to do screenshot.

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  214. April 20, 2011 5:28 pm

    Klein must be in a desperate situation to admit all this… or he realized things were catching up to him….

    Does anyone have any screenshots?

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  215. shelly permalink
    April 20, 2011 12:36 pm

    @suzy

    I think he deleted that comment but still maintained that the story was bullshit.

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  216. Suzy permalink
    April 20, 2011 12:20 pm

    Apparently Klein also made this comment on his FB on March 30th, 2011:

    Michael was not gay
    by Arnold W. Klein on Wednesday, March 30, 2011

    Michael Jackson’s sexuality? I do not believe at this time there is any evidence to indicate that he was gay. Jason Pfeiffer an ex-emloyee of mine together with a lawyer,my ex-accountant and a shady busines man sold the story of Jason’s so-called affair with Michael to the foreign press as well as the US media. I recently found out this story was fabricated my a ghost writer. I apologize to Michael’s family for any damage this might have caused. Nevertheless, I feel the accusations of Michael’s so called pedophilia forced him to live a tortured life with even his own sister accusing him of this behavior.

    @ Shelly

    Can you look it up? I have taken it from a blog and I don’t have access to Klein’s FB.

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  217. April 20, 2011 11:59 am

    “Either Klein has removed the note or you have to be his friend to view it.”

    Yes, Julie, the same with me – Facebook says that either the link is inoperative, or I have no access to it.

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  218. shelly permalink
    April 20, 2011 11:40 am

    @julie

    You have to ask to be a friend and he accept everyone and answer your questions. I know I did it yesterday.

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  219. Julie permalink
    April 20, 2011 11:10 am

    I found a couple of blogs by searching Paul Camuso and Arnold Klein discussing the fact that Klein is now denying that MJ was gay, but the link Shelly provided for Klein’s facebook page doesn’t work. In one of the discussions Klein was reported to have referred to Pfeiffer as an ex-employee who was responsible with another employee of embezzling $10 million which pushed Klein into bankruptcy. Who knows what the real story is? Klein was sure willing to make some outrageous claims about Michael and on TMZ so once again I’m not sure what his agenda was or is.

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  220. Julie permalink
    April 20, 2011 10:51 am

    Either Klein has removed the note or you have to be his friend to view it.

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  221. Suzy permalink
    April 20, 2011 10:17 am

    Funny how Klein bashes TMZ and Levin now, when up until a couple of months ago he was there, selling them stories about MJ every other day.

    I don’t buy he is innocent in the Pfeiffer story either. I think he was in it when they made it up and sold it together with Pfeiffer and Camuso.

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  222. shelly permalink
    April 20, 2011 9:31 am

    According to his official profile on google, it’s his official Facebook account

    https://profiles.google.com/arnoldkleinmd#arnoldkleinmd/about

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  223. April 20, 2011 7:21 am

    @shelly — where did you find this info on Dr. Klein? I can’t find it on his facebook. Julie

    Shelly, I would also very much like some kind of confirmation if it is possible. The information is too important for leaving it unattended, but to be able to discuss it in full seriousness we first need to verify its exact source, you understand.

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  224. April 20, 2011 6:45 am

    “This is what Klein said on his facebook account”

    If this account is genuine all of it is extremely interesting.

    At least one good thing he has said is that Jason Pfeiffer’s story is a LIE. I wish Klein cleared other dark secrets off his chest – the truth is always better than lies, no matter how bitter it may be. And we will try to find out what it true and false in the suppositions he is making.

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  225. Suzy permalink
    April 20, 2011 4:24 am

    But I have to add he’s just trying to save face now. Sorry, but when TMZ did an interview with him after the Extra show and when Elizabeth Taylor trashed him on her Twitter for his claims, he still supported Pfeiffer’s story. Now he says he only found out 6 months ago it was a lie. Yeah, right.

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  226. Suzy permalink
    April 20, 2011 4:19 am

    Great that now Klein admitted the Jason Pfeiffer gay lover story was a lie.

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  227. Julie permalink
    April 20, 2011 1:44 am

    @shelly — where did you find this info on Dr. Klein? I can’t find it on his facebook.

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  228. Dialdancer permalink
    April 20, 2011 1:36 am

    Sheesh and these people are considered some of the best in California. Steve Hoefflin tells a different story. It is not the amount charged that insures the quality of care.

    Take your pick generally sleazy:
    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-documents-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-doctor-says-he-has-evidence-put-people

    Extra Sleazy:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1201467/Police-raid-Houston-clinic-Michael-Jacksons-personal-physician.html

    Super Duper Sleazy:
    http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/15/michael-jackson-doc-sues/

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  229. Teva permalink
    April 20, 2011 12:00 am

    Arnie Klien has more faces than a dice. I can’t tell if he is going, or coming; up or down.

    @Shelly I left you a message.

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  230. shelly permalink
    April 19, 2011 8:55 pm

    I asked him that question

    “I have a question, if the Jason Pfeiffer story was false, why did you do the Extra interview?
    Il y a environ une heure · J’aime.

    Arnold W. Klein

    because Extra is a piece of crap. Alicia Jacobs from LV did an interview of Jason and Me. She sold only the piece about Jason to Extra. Only found out Jason made up the tale 6 months ago.
    Il y a 50 minutes · J’aime

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  231. shelly permalink
    April 19, 2011 8:54 pm

    This is what Klein said on his facebook account

    TMZ torture.

    par Arnold W. Klein, lundi 18 avril 2011, 08:30
    .

    One of the most difficult things over the last few years has been Harvey Levin,and TMZ. He is guilty of slander, defamation of character, preventing fair business trade and endangering my life. Historically the records firmly show Michael jackson was addicted to Propofol by Steve Hoefflin. In 2003 Michael made a cease and desist order against Hoefflin. Harvey Levan’s best friend is Howard Weitzman who was well aware of Hoefflin’s involvement. Also by pointing the finger at me, which Mrs Jackson did,no one ever wondered who hired Murray or how Howard Weitzman and John Branca got together with AEG totally to totally control the Jackson estate. I enclose an article about the true story but as recent as last week Harvey Levin released a story about me, Demerol and Karen Faye(Michael’s hair stylist) saying I contributed to Michael’s death.She later tweeted that he totally misquoted her. Michael was totally not himself the last two weeks of his life. He said it was benadryl but it seemed more than that. I guess it was Murray injecting Propofol into his muscle because

    The things you should be aware of is before I was a dermatologist I spent two years studying addiction and wrote a text on it. I made two interventions on Michael’s Propofol Abuse myself and was aware of Mark Honzel making one hf. Mark is an addiction specialist who I consulted before ever giving Michael medication

    .AEG camera’s were always at my office and forced me to close my office twice. Randy phillips of AEG hired Murray “Phillips said that Jackson insisted that AEG hire his doctor of choice, Dr. Conrad Murray, the Houston- and Las Vegas-based physician who was with Jackson as he died, for 24-hour medical assistance on tour in London. AEG was paying Murray $150,000 per month for compensatory fees, as well as hotel and travel costs..” Why did AEG not talk to me his physician of 30 years before doing this.?Howard Weitzman was my lawyer during the Botox trial, he knew the truth when Hoefflin pointed to me. Weitzman knew what Hoefflin was saying regarding me and propofol was unfounded in that he represented Michael during the first molestation trial and interviewed me extensively Allegations about me teaching Murray to give Propofol ( i never used it without an anestheologist) or Jason being Michael Jackson’s lover are ridiculous. That story was made up by Paul Camuso who will admit to it. Boyer and Charmley my lawyer released Michael’s records when he ask for payment of Michael’s bill’s because Jason Pfeiffer thought it was the right thing to do telling Murray I gave Michael 41 shots of ? when I was rebuilding his face. Charmley releases the records and Hippa does nothing. Levin came to a huge news conference held in front of my office with Dick Winters from the Coroner’s . There were helicopters and everythinf there. TMZ was there and it was planned by AEG.Then Dick Winters ends up in the third row of the memorial service. Winters came to my office requesting the records I already had given him. So this mass news conference was a ploy to make look responsible for something i never did.As per the DEA Mickey Fine was the problem but Levin portrayed me as addict. I am alreading suing Hoefflin but wish to sue Harvey Levin, Howard Weitzman and Phillips before the trial begins, I remember TMZ almost killed me while they chased my car on Beverly Blvd… You want to talk about the will? How could Michael sign it when he was with me and Sharplon in NYC? i never saw any will or notary there. Ask Meko Brando, he does not lie

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  232. Dialdancer permalink
    April 19, 2011 5:25 pm

    This is an excellent article concerning Murray’s ever changing story.

    Prosecutors say Jackson’s doctor changed story
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110419/ap_en_ot/us_michael_jackson_doctor

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  233. Suzy permalink
    April 18, 2011 4:04 am

    @ Dialdancer

    I’m waiting for Lynette’s answer however the story originates from News of the World and that in itself is suspicious of not being true.

    1) This theory about a “Mr X” sneaking into Michael’s room, murdering him, stealing money while noone notices is laughable. What were Michael’s bodyguards doing while this happened? What was Murray doing while this happened? How come not one of them mentioned in their testimonies that someone else was the room besides Michael and Murray?

    2) “The fingerprints do not belong to any of Michael’s family or staff and it remains unknown whose they are.”

    Sorry, but it seems extremely unlikely that they have checked the fingerprints for all of Michael’s staff and family and concluded it didn’t belong to any of them. They would probably check only for Murray and Michael.

    Imagine how small a syringe is, imagine holding it in your hand and what fingerprint that would leave on it. So I can imagine they actually couldn’t identify who the print belong to (remember that in 2005 often the experts couldn’t tell whom a print belonged to, whether they were Michael’s, and those were magazines, not small syringes). So I’d say it would be likely if they couldn’t identify the prints on it and this is what the tabloid is twisting into Murray’s print not being found. But it doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t Murray’s.

    I personally think the whole story smells like tabloid bull*.

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  234. Dialdancer permalink
    April 17, 2011 11:08 pm

    @ Lynette,

    Can you explain how this is possible and what it may mean if there is any truth to this article. I am not a medical and do not understand how the anesthetic would have been administered. Yes I know it is even steps below TMZ, but it was sent to me.

    Prints on Michael Jackson syringe ‘not Murray’s’

    http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a315015/prints-on-michael-jackson-syringe-not-murrays.html

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  235. March 11, 2011 3:50 pm

    I just find it ironic that MJ had a fear of someone killing him, and then he ended up dead by the hands of someone else. I can’t believe people still think that it was an accident. Maybe it could have been, but I don’t know. I’ve been looking at a lot of videos about conspiracies and I think I’m being convinecd that something fishy may be going on.

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  236. March 6, 2011 9:18 pm

    @Dialdancer

    The short answer is that without Jordie’s testimony, the DAs of LA and Santa Barbara would not have been able to prosecute Michael in 1993/1994. But the true answer to that question is a bit more complicated. Jordie’s report to the DCFS in August 1993 placed the administration, police and the DAs of LA and Santa Barbara county on notice. The three departments, along with the FBI conducted investigations to determine whether they had enough to prosecute. As you know, a strip search was also conducted in December 1993. It is said that over 200 people were interviewed in an attempt to corroborate Jordie Chandler’s tale; no one did. In January 1994, the civil matter settled. But Jordie did not advise the authorities that he was no longer willing to cooperate until July 1994. In other words, eleven months after being placed on notice, neither LA nor Santa Barbara had filed criminal charges. The DAs then used Jordie’s change of heart to justify their inability to prosecute. Truth be told, they never had enough, even with Jordie’s allegations, to prosecute. There were far too many other people who had seen, interacted with and been around Michael and Jordie, for prosecutors to build a case on Jordie’s allegation standing alone.

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  237. Dialdancer permalink
    March 1, 2011 6:00 am

    @lisathelawyer,

    Have a off topic question. Was it necessary to have Jordan’s cooperation for a criminal trial in 94 if either DA had been able to secure an indictment? I believe I understand the case would have been stronger with Jordan, but if there had been evidence strong enough or credible witnesses could one of the DA’s moved forward with a trial without Jordan?

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  238. February 16, 2011 8:26 pm

    Guys, I’ve found Tom Mesereau’s CNN interview about Dr. Murrey he gave in February last year. It is the first time I’ve read it, so it might be new to you too.

    Besides the legal matters he speaks about how hard the trial was for Michael, how afraid he was for his children and that he was a nervous wreck despite the acquittal. He is adamant that Michael never belonged in that courtroom. This is how a defense lawyer should indeed talk!

    http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/05/ijvm.01.html

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tom, so glad to have you here on ISSUES tonight. You know, we haven`t talked since Michael Jackson died, and I know you became very close to Michael. What was your reaction when you heard he had died and under these very disturbing circumstances?

    TOM MESEREAU, FORMER MICHAEL JACKSON DEFENSE ATTORNEY:
    Well, at first I was hoping it was just a rumor, because so many crazy rumors used to circulate about Michael. And then I was in the middle of a jury trial in federal court in Los Angeles. I called my office, and my office machine was filled with media requests from around the world. And then I had a very bad feeling that it might be correct.

    And when I realized he truly had passed away, I was just horrified. I was shocked. I still am in shock. You know, I hear his music every day. I feel like he`s still with me. He`s still with all of us. It`s a terrible situation.

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, of course Dr. Murray has said that Michael Jackson was very familiar with Propofol, the drug that is believed to have killed him, which Dr. Conrad Murray admits to having administered to him, along with five doses of other sedatives. He says that Jackson referred to Propofol, this surgical knockout drug, as his milk.

    Were you aware when you got close to Michael Jackson during this trial of him having insomnia or needing something like Propofol, a surgical knockout drug, to go to sleep?

    MESEREAU:
    I never heard him mention Propofol or any prescription drug whatsoever. He certainly was having sleep problems. He was having trouble eating. He was depressed. Anyone in a five-month criminal trial like that would go through all of these situations. I mean, none of this was unusual.

    I assumed if he was getting assistance in sleeping or dealing with anxiety, you know that would not be abnormal. But I never heard anyone mention Propofol or any other prescription drug.

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you believe that this is something that if, it did develop, developed after the trial.

    Was he depressed about the trial even though he was acquitted on all counts? It was a stunning victory for him and for you. We were all there the day the verdict came down. It`s one of the most dramatic days that I`ll remember in my life. But nevertheless, some said that he was depressed after that. Could he have needed the Propofol because of that?

    MESEREAU:
    Well, I don`t like the words “need Propofol”. He probably needed some medical and psychiatric assistance, because he had spent five months sitting in trial five days a week, hearing people hurl accusations at him that were false and untrue and very malicious in nature.

    To go through five months of that with the world media saying you`re going to be convicted and be worried about your children and your family and then suddenly be exonerated doesn`t take away all the hurt and the pain. And to not have slept, to have been very worried and depressed for all that time would hurt anybody.

    But you don`t give somebody Propofol just because they know about it or someone else mentioned to them. You give them Propofol because it`s appropriate. And every doctor I`ve talked to says it should never be in a home and it should only be administered by an anesthesiologist. So the fact that…

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Murray admits to giving Michael a prescription drug cocktail and injecting him with a powerful knockout drug Propofol right before he died. But he denies any wrongdoing. Authorities have raided his homes and offices in Houston, L.A. and Las Vegas. One big question — what was Michael`s live-in doctor doing during the hour between when he says Michael`s heart stopped or Michael stopped breathing and the 911 call to get the paramedics over there?

    Michael`s chef says Dr. Murray was behaving very oddly that morning, the morning Michael died. Listen.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    KAI CHASE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S PERSONAL CHEF: Normally he would come around 10:00, 10:30, down stairs to get Mr. Jackson`s juices and breakfast for him for that morning. So around that time, I noticed I hadn`t seen Dr. Murray. So I`m thinking to myself, oh, maybe Mr. Jackson is sleeping in late, you know, maybe because he has rehearsal`s been pushed back or something.

    So I proceed, go preparing the lunch and wrapped his lunch like he — Mr. Jackson likes, wrapped it in saran wrap because he likes his lunch like he is at a hotel, kind of like room service.

    LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Room service.

    CHASE: Yes, exactly. So around 12:00, 12:05, 12:10, Dr. Murray comes down the stairs.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: So we`re getting insight on the latest chaos surrounding this case from a man who knows perhaps more than anybody else about Michael Jackson. I`m delighted again to have Tom Mesereau as my guest here on ISSUES.

    Tom, of course, the attorney who famously and successfully defended Michael Jackson in his 2005 molestation trial. Tom, what do you make of the Jackson`s family contention that Dr. Murray should face a murder charge as opposed to the involuntary manslaughter charge that`s expected on Monday?

    TOM MESEREAU, MICHAEL JACKSON`S ATTORNEY: I understand it completely from an emotional standpoint; the family and the fans want to see a murder charge. But you got to be careful with that from a practical standpoint. If the prosecutors bring murder charge and they can`t prove it, the jury may discredit everything they say and acquit him of both murder and involuntary manslaughter. I`d rather see them bring involuntary manslaughter if they know they can prove it and get a conviction that sticks.

    But from an emotional stand I understand the family, I understand…

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Let me ask you this, though. We have the issue of the five sedatives he gave Michael. He admits that; then the Propofol with Lidocaine. Then you have the delay of more than an hour once he comes back and he sees Michael stop breathing before 911 is called. Then you have him doing CPR on the bed when everybody knows should you do that CPR on a flat surface.

    Then you have the fact that the paramedics thought he was dead there and said, “Let`s just say he`s dead now”. And he`s saying, “No, no, no. We`re going to go to the hospital.” And then he was finally pronounced dead late in the afternoon.

    A lot of people say all of that is more than just gross negligence. What do you say?

    MESEREAU:
    Well, it may be more than gross negligence, but the question is, what do the prosecution think they can prove?

    You know, I`ve defended cases, you know, where prosecutors had a good case for assault and they brought in attempted murder and I looked at the jury and said they shouldn`t have brought attempted murder. They`re not credible. They`re misusing their power. Don`t believe anything they say.

    And that could happen here if they bring a second-degree murder charge and can`t prove it. I`d rather bring involuntary manslaughter and convict him than run the risk of having him go free on everything because you overcharged a case you couldn`t prove.

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Very good point. Now, let`s talk about the rehearsals for Jackson`s last concert tour. They were taped; eventually made into a movie. I`m sure you saw it Tom. I certainly did; amazing movie. Check it out from “This Is It” Sony Pictures.

    Tom, when I saw this movie, I was shocked. Michael was so incredibly energetic, coordinated; dancing like a teenager. But at the trial when I saw him every day with you, he looked so weak sometimes. Sometimes he — after the trial we saw him in a wheelchair. How do you reconcile those two totally different persons?

    MESEREAU:
    Well, time passed. You know, between the end of the trial in 2005 and when you he began these rehearsals. I would like to think that he got himself in a better physical state, that he had some emotional counseling and he was helping himself do much better with life.

    He knew that I got up at 3:00 in the morning every day during the five month trial. I was in bed at 7:30; I was up at 3:00. He would call me at 3:00 or 4:00 and often be crying about his children. He was a nervous wreck over this thing.

    Michael was a very sensitive, creative, kind-hearted genius. He didn`t belong in that courtroom and he was treated horribly in that trial. I`m sure it took him a long time to recover, if he ever did.

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tom Mesereau, could I talk to you every night and I always say every time I see you, if I`m ever in trouble, you`re the person I`m calling. I have you on my speed dial.

    MESEREAU: Thank you.

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thanks again for coming on. It`s always great to see you. Thank you.

    MESEREAU: I appreciate it Jane.

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  239. meigadas permalink
    February 14, 2011 6:40 pm

    @Teva:
    “I have been hearing that propofol burns on the site of contact. Is that true?

    If so then wouldn’t michael’s lips, tongue, etc have had burns, and would traces of the substance be found there?”

    No, Teva. Propofol doesn´t burn on every site of contact; Only when it is administered by vein. This is the reason that it is usually mixed with lidocaine at the beginning of the induction.

    I don´t know why propofol was found in MJ`s stomach.The autopsy describes propofol traces found, it doesn´t say anything about sulfate and glucoronide metabolites, those are typical metabolites resulting from the metabolism of propofol via enterohepatic.
    But ( knowing that in my country there isn`t any other reported case like this) i guess that the propofol´s metabolism in the stomach could be interfered by the gastric acids and its effectiveness be annulled.

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  240. Ane Hope permalink
    February 12, 2011 3:44 pm

    Thank you for this unbiased article.
    We need people like you, who tells the truth.
    Congratulation.
    We want justice.

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  241. February 12, 2011 2:54 am

    I believe Murray ought to be convicted, but he won’t be.

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  242. 2kandid permalink
    February 12, 2011 12:38 am

    I can’t even acknowledge Murray’s defense. It’s unreal to me. The crazier the defense, may equal a shorter trial I hope. The jury’s intelligence will be insulted so much that they’ll send his quack ass to jail out of stupidity, let alone manslaughter.

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  243. February 11, 2011 10:53 pm

    I have been hearing that propofol burns on the site of contact. Is that true?

    If so then wouldn’t michael’s lips, tongue, etc have had burns, and would traces of the substance be found there?

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  244. Lauren permalink
    February 11, 2011 10:09 pm

    Thank you Lisa. In NP Lee’s interview she relates that Michael mentioned at least twice that he knew propofol was administered via IV. The defense has touted the ingestion theory because the contents of the ‘juice’ box were not tested. If propofol could be given orally to obtain the same affect, would Murray have taken the time to start IV’s and design what appears to be a gravity drip of some sort to deliver the anesthetic?

    The thing is, none of that matters, really. Murray is guilty of the charges brought against him for the many reasons delineated so well here and by others, including medical experts. This trial will be an attempt by the defense to play on public perceptions of Jackson dating back many years. It’s the old ‘blame the victim’ once again and, unfortunately, this victim is a person they believe they can convict in the public’s eye, or at least, the 24 important eyes on the jury.

    Yes, Murray is a liar. Any positioning of evidence in that bedroom is suspect because of his attempts at concealing what he was doing. Bottles and needles on the floor could very well be a result of his frantic activity to hide what he did. I don’t believe he intended Michael to die nor do I believe in a conspiracy. I see greed, arrogance, negligence, sound medical judgement dwarfed by a huge paycheck and now a supposed medical professional willing to blame his one patient for his own death.

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  245. lisathelawyer permalink
    February 11, 2011 8:36 pm

    Hi everyone. Thank you all for your comments and thank you to Lynette for responding to the questions about Propofol.

    I just wanted to add two points that may need discussion.

    I’ll begin with the caveat that I don’t have a medical background. And, while I defended doctors in malpractice cases years ago, I obviously never encountered Propofol before. But, I have heard that since there was no equipment to control the Propofol drip, by the time Murray found Michael, even if he was still alive, based on the levels of Propofol found, he would have been overdosed such that nothing could have saved him.

    The presence of Propofol in Michael’s stomach – although thoroughly explained by Lynette – may have gained some momentum for the “self-administered” theory because the media has reported that finding and that there were audible gasps from the Jackson family when Dr. Ruffalo testified that he made a mistake when he measured the amount of Propofol found in the stomach.

    But, I cannot help to think of Sade Anding’s testimony that she heard “coughing and mumbling.” Again, isn’t it possible that Dr. Murray added some Propofol to Michael’s juice and gave it to him to sip on? I guess my point is that I don’t believe any aspect of the self-administration theory because Michael knew how the drug worked and that it could not be drunk. But, Murray’s delay in calling for help, gave him the necessary time to “doctor” (pardon the pun) the scene.

    My second point is the defense’s most recent publicized strategy of Michael’s declining health. On that note, Conrad Murray will have to explain why he lied to Bob Taylor less than an hour before he found Michael in distress.

    Prosecutors called Stephen Marx at the recent preliminary hearing. Mr. Marx was a computer forensic examiner for the DEA. He has since retired and now extracts computer evidence to present it at trial. He conducted an examination of Dr. Murray’s iPhone, which was recovered on July 28, 2009. Specifically, he analyzed screen shots from the phone to track when Dr. Murray reviewed incoming or created outgoing data.

    Mr. Marx recovered a 5:54 am e-mail, with the greeting of “Hi Conrad,” with signature, Bob Taylor, of Bob Taylor’s Insurance of London. The e-mail specifically inquired about Mr. Jackson’s health. Mr. Taylor also needed to confirm that Dr. Murray was the only physician consulted during that period, and that his records dated back to 2006 when he first met Mr. Jackson. Conrad Murray responded to Mr. Taylor’s e-mail at 11:17 am. In a lengthy e-mail, Dr. Murray denied Taylor access to Michael’s medical records. Murray wrote, however, that press reports about Michael’s health were false to say the least.

    Murray has said that he was excited to go on tour with Michael and closed his practice because he could now make more money than he could have with his own practice. If Michael was in failing health, the e-mail to Bob Taylor demonstrates that Dr. Murray is willing to lie for money.

    Now, Murray’s freedom and professional licenses are on the line. Is he telling the truth or is he lying? Can we believe anything that Dr. Murray says?

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  246. lcpledwards permalink
    February 11, 2011 6:02 am

    Here is another great post from MJJ Justice Project! It is about debunking the myth that propofol can be used as a recreational drug that one can become addicted to:

    http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/phraseology-part-2-propofol-milk-of-amnesia/

    This post right here is about the insulting defense strategy that Murray is trying to use:
    http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-los-angeles/dr-conrad-murray-s-insulting-defense

    Here is the bio of Dr. John Curtis, Ph.D., the author of that piece. He definitely lived up to his reputation as one of the nation’s leading authority of SPIN in the news!

    John M. Curtis, Ph.D. is editor of OnliineColumnist.com, the Web’s leading source of nonpartisan commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He’s a consultant, seminar trainer and news analyst on national radio shows. Dr. Curtis is considered the nation’s leading authority on SPIN in the news. His politically neutral commentaries appear in U.S. and foreign newspapers. You can find his columns on OnlineColumnist.com. Contact him at drjmcurtis@aol.com.

    For those of you who don’t know, “spin” means: “to give the public biased information; to present information in a way meant to influence public opinion“.

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  247. 2kandid permalink
    February 10, 2011 4:54 pm

    As Okunuga stated, even though Murray will probably be convicted, their will be no resolution for his fans, family, and friends. To me justice only begins with Murray being convicted, but MJ’s legacy deserves one thing above all — fairness. Murray will pay a heavy price no matter what, but what’s being overshadowed is how important it is that people have a balanced view about this tragedy. First, Michael was a MAN. Second, a FATHER. Lastly, a Legend. In that order!!! Think about how Katherine see’s Michael. Her son is dead. Not the world’s greatest entertainer. Her son. Think about how Paris, Prince, and Blanket see’s MJ. He’s was their father.

    Please think about the people you love and appreciate them more. Don’t take for granted that they know how much you love them, but make sure they know. Michael is loved by tens of millions around the globe, but he needed the love from the people closest to him.

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  248. Siu permalink
    February 10, 2011 3:59 pm

    Great article, I have to read several times to understand more. English is not my native language. It brings a lot of information to me, I hope the truth will eventually come out and I hope the prosecution will do their job without bias. I hope the witness will tell the truth and nothing but the truth. This is what I hope. From Hong Kong

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  249. February 10, 2011 3:13 pm

    Great article Lisa! Finally, not only some truth but also some common sense. This bears reading again and again. Powerful information!

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  250. Okunuga permalink
    February 10, 2011 8:39 am

    I have this feeling that at the end of the case dr murray will be found guilty of the charge but mj will still come out of it worse than before due to the way the media/tabloid will be reporting the trial proceedings.

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  251. Dialdancer permalink
    February 10, 2011 4:18 am

    Hello lisathelawyer,

    Welcome and congratulations. Your article has drawn the kind of knowledgeable responses that will be needed in the coming days.

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  252. Lezlie permalink
    February 10, 2011 3:00 am

    Wow! This article is is really thorough. I just hope a jury is willing to have an open mind when it comes to the standard of medical care. Dr. Kevorkian…oops…Murray should have NEVER administered this drug outside of a hospital setting. The haters will say that Jackson was a drug addict who killed himself but when asked to explain why weren’t there other drugs in his system except for what Murray had given him, either they can’t or they run around the question with responses like “maybe he hadn’t taken any that day” or “if Murray did provide the Propofol another doctor would’ve. Never mind the fact that 3 children are fatherless now, and the doctor that was hired to monitor him didn’t do his job.

    Another thing the defense will have a problem with if they try to portray Michael as a junkie is the findings of the autopsy report. According to the report, none of Jackson’s organs showed that strain the of long-time drug use will most definitely show. In fact, the American media was utterly at a loss to explain why the report didn’t show anything untoward at all.

    In a perfect world, I would hope that Murray is made to pay for what he did. But I cringe when I think about the type of people that might be on that jury. We have to be mindful of the fact that there might be people on the jury that are uninformed about the allegations from 93 and 2003, and they’ll probably feel like he got away with it. And then there will be those that pander to that idiocy (i.e. tabloids, Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth, “expert” legal analysts, and their ilk). I just hope that these people will understand that Paris, Prince, and Blanket lost the only parent that they’ve ever known, and they will do the right thing.

    If only for them…..

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  253. Deborah Ffrench permalink
    February 9, 2011 6:25 am

    I managed to get in contact with a lady who knows Steve Cooley personally. This article was faxed to both he and Walgren earlier yesterday.

    It bears repeating that the information in this needs to be linked and included in all web comments on this subject leading up to, and during trial.

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  254. lynande51 permalink
    February 9, 2011 4:47 am

    That is right he would not have needed to mix it with lidocaine . The lidocaine is used only at the beginning of induction of anesthsia becaue it stings when it goes into the vein . Once the person is unconsious they don’t need the lidocaine for the sting.

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  255. February 9, 2011 3:25 am

    Thanks so much for this well researched, well presented article. I’ve seen tweeted and posted on other blogs today that “Someone to Monitor Me” should be sent to the LA District Attorney Walgren. Having worked for attorneys for years, I know there are many who appreciate receiving credible information from outside sources on their tough cases.

    Deborah is correct, information is power.

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  256. February 9, 2011 2:40 am

    This is a great, great blog. Thank you for this well researched and clearly presented information. I’ve even seen tweets and other blogs today suggesting this be sent to the District Attorney’s Office! I’ve worked for attorneys for many years and find most welcome all credible assistance they can get in handling tough cases.

    As Deborah said above, information is power!

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  257. lcpledwards permalink
    February 9, 2011 1:53 am

    Good news guys! Our invitation to Lisa the Lawyer to be a co-admin is already paying major dividends! Yesterday we shattered our record for most hits in a day! We had 2,529 views yesterday, easily surpassing the 1,700+ hits we had sometime in late December when we were fighting the Discovery Channel debacle.

    Thanks Lisa!

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  258. February 9, 2011 1:03 am

    Nicely said!

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  259. lcpledwards permalink
    February 8, 2011 11:49 pm

    I posted this a few months ago in my settlements article, but it deserves to be shown here as well:

    Guess what guys? Dr. Conrad Murray’s insurance carrier is trying to avoid having to pay the legal fees of his civil lawsuits because they involved alleged criminal wrongdoing, and the policy doesn’t cover incidents involving general anesthesia!

    Ironically, Dr. Murray is in the same position that MJ was in, because he is facing simultaneous criminal and civil trials! So his attorneys are trying to have the civil cases delayed until AFTER the criminal trail is finished so that his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination!

    “We believe Medicus is wrong on the facts and wrong on the law,” Murray’s attorney, Charles Peckham, said Wednesday. “We believe there should be coverage.”

    Peckham asked the judge in a court filing Monday to delay the case until after the criminal matter is decided, arguing that defending it would violate the doctor’s Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

    “He simply can’t engage in this kind of case,” Peckham said, adding that coverage Murray applied for, and the insurer initially accepted, would have covered all the claims.

    Insurance companies don’t settle for criminal claims, so the fact that they are trying to avoid insuring Dr. Murray means that they believe he was innocent. Conversely, they paid out MJ’s settlement based on “global claims of negligence”, and allowed MJ to insert language that emphatically denied any criminal wrongdoing, so they obviously believed in his innocence.

    It will be interesting to see if Dr. Murray’s civil lawsuits are delayed until after the criminal trial is over.
    http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2010/10/21/744736.aspx

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  260. meigadas permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:21 pm

    An excellent review on the propofol´s matter. Only two thing: in our service we always administrate Propofol mixed with Lidocaine ONLY in the induction bolus. Only 10 mg of Lidocaine is required, not enough to cause any heart´s damage.
    ” To induce sedation he would have had to administer 40 mg /kg or 123 mg ( or in this case 12.3 ml.) to induce sedation and he would have had to have to continue to administer the propofol by IV drip to maintain sedation”
    This dose is only to induction to general anestesia, if you administrate 123 mg you HAVE to intubate, with doses above of 60 mg aprox. ( it depends not only on patient´s weight, on metabolism behaviour, and neurotransmitters…) you have to be prepared with a OT tube on one hand and a resucitation bag on the other.

    Fingerprints on the propofol´s bottles and sirynges, and of course: on the iv catheter…but if Murray´s team is trying to explain his “self administred theory”, they will have a hard time trying to stage a MJ reaching an iv catheter in his leg and pushing the propofol needed to commit suicide without losing consciousness before reaching the fatal dose…bizarre

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  261. nenabunena permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:07 pm

    “Perhaps Michael had a psychological dependance on propofol. Or perhaps, through his experience, he learned that he could ‘sleep’ and continue to function when under stress that prohibited normal sleep. ”

    ^^^I don’t think MJ was psychologically addicted to propofol. There was a reason propofol was used & there is a good reason MJ was adamant in non-addictive drugs. Remember, MJ had insomnia for about 30 years as far as we know. & this is a man who depended on addictive painkillers for accidents, surgeries, & Lupus ailments for the last 30 years of his life YET was strong enough to not be addicted to them. That includes the 1993 incident IMO, I believe at that time MJ became more dependent than he wanted to be, plus given the stress, he had to recup himself to prevent such an outcome in the first place. He wasn’t even in rehab for 2 weeks, he didn’t even finish the 12 step program, a drug addict who was more dependent on such a substance would not likely have recovered from this addiction in such a short time period. MJ’s personality is not the type to be psychologically addicted to a drug where it is not physically addictive, if this was the case, a placebo could’ve psychologically fooled him long before propofol came to the scene, be it pain medication or etc. Besides, if propofol is not physically addictive, why are we even surmising or entertaining the idea he was psychologically addicted to it? What points to this bizarre & unfair conclusion? It’s like people proving that this substance is not physically addictive yet just to give cause or any reason for drug addiction, one says it’s a psychological addiction. I don’t think it is fair to allege against MJ when there is no proof of it. & especially if the man has such fortitude & strength of control & discipline to not have been addicted to such medication & drugs, given his dependence on them as an athlete & a Lupus sufferer no less. This is a stronger man than people give him credit for.

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  262. February 8, 2011 5:55 pm

    Lynette, thank you for your expert information on propofol. 1300mg instead of 50mg plus mixing it with lidocaine though the package insert from propofol specifically says not to do so is something we should remember.

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  263. Suzy permalink
    February 8, 2011 5:18 pm

    Lynette!

    Thank you for the expert analysis!

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  264. lynande51 permalink
    February 8, 2011 4:56 pm

    The reason that Propofol is non addictive is because it does not bind to the receptors in the brain. It has a half life if 10 minutes which means that it would be completely metabolized by the liver in 20 minutes and on its way out of the body in the person’s urine. It does not come in an oral form. The only reason that Murray and his lawyers even suggest such a thing is because it was found in his stomach tissue and given IV there is no reason for it to even be there. A medication given IV bypasses the stomach during the metabolism process so it should never have been found in his stomach tissue period. The autopsy lists it being in his vitreous humor ( the “liquid” part of the eye) and in his stomach, 2 places it should never have been found unless he was given much more than Murray said he gave.
    Murray says that 50 mg per night was the max dose he gave him. To induce sedation he would have had to administer 40 mg /kg or 123 mg ( or in this case 12.3 ml.) to induce sedation and he would have had to have to continue to administer the propofol by IV drip to maintain sedation. This is calculated by micrograms per kilogram of body weight.
    We have no way of knowing how much Murray would have had dripping on a continuous basis into Michaels veins because he removed the IV tubing and bag of IV solution that he mixed it with lidocaine (I will explain why this is wrong too) before the paramedics and police got there. According to the toxicology reports I can tell you that it was found predominately in his liver and heart meaning that it had not completely metabolized. It means that Michael died quickly once this drug was administered.
    The drug Propofol is mixed in a fat emulsion to make a liquid. When it is mixed in lidocaine it will separate from the rest of the emulsion and become unstable meaning it would have had time when there was more propofol and times when there was no propofol because the drug actually separated from the fluid. In other words he had no way of knowing how much of the medication he was getting at any time. He might have been getting all drug and then again he might not have been getting any. The propofol was a lighter molecular weight that the fat emulsion so it would have been at the top of any IV bag that was. The package insert from propofol even says not to mix it with lidocaine. Lidocaine IV is also used to treat heart arrhythmias in particular ventricular tachycardia.
    What was found at the scene were two and a half empty vials of propofol. One of them was 1000/100ml and one empty 200/20 ml and half of a 200/20 ml. this actually equals 1300 mg of propofol not 50 mg because it comes in 10mg/ml availabilities. That is across the board that is the concentration of the drug in the liquid.
    Murray is supposed to be a Cardiologist meaning he was a heart specialist. Even if he was not board certified he should have known the effects of the lidocaine IV on the heart and if he was a cardiologist (these are the guys that invented CPR) why didn’t he pull Michael off that bed to the floor to administer CPR? If Michael’s respiration was slowed due to the benzodiazepine effect so was his heart and he should never have had lidocaine in his vein let alone mixed with propofol. There really is no excuse for Murray’s actions that day.

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  265. Suzy permalink
    February 8, 2011 4:39 pm

    And the judge ruled the trial can be televised: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/02/07/california.conrad.murray/

    I don’t like the sound of it. Will it be another OJ Simpson circus?

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  266. Suzy permalink
    February 8, 2011 4:30 pm

    Thanks for the information on Propofol, guys!

    TMZ wrote today that Murray’s defense will be based on claiming Michael
    was in failing health:

    “Michael Jackson was in such a weakened state before he died … it’s unfair to blame his death on Propofol …and we’ve learned this is precisely what lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray will argue to a jury.

    Sources familiar with the case tell TMZ … Dr. Murray’s team will argue that at the time of his death, Jackson’s body was failing him … partly because he was “driven over the edge” by AEG to rehearse for his upcoming tour.

    We’re told Murray’s lawyers will call witnesses to testify that Jackson was not showing up for rehearsals — and when he did show, he was exhibiting “clear signs” of failing health.

    The upshot of the defense … even if jurors believe Dr. Murray administered the fatal dose of Propofol, Jackson was already in failing health.

    But as TMZ has already reported … Dr. Murray’s lawyers will argue Jackson himself administered the fatal dose of Propofol to himself when Murray was out of the room.

    The trial begins in April.”

    I don’t know if Murray’s defense is just trying to mislead the public and the prosecution about what their strategy would be, because in this form it sounds extremely stupid to me. I mean the prosecution will just call in the coroner who will tell (like he already did) that MJ was in good health considering his age and what is in the autopsy report that he died because of Propofol intoxication, nothing else. Of course, the defense can refer to episodes where Michael didn’t feel well during rehearsal (when Ortega sent him home) or when he didn’t attend, but that wasn’t because he had some bad condition in his body, but probably because of Murray’s treatment – and the chronic insomnia and the fact he didn’t eat properly. And this would just further incriminate Murray.

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  267. Susanne permalink*
    February 8, 2011 3:36 pm

    Excellent article, Lisa. It should be spread around the world!

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  268. anne82958 permalink
    February 8, 2011 3:31 pm

    Propofol is very psychologically addictive. There are treatment centers on the east coast that specialize in it. Before MJ, it was just people in the medical profession who became addicted because no non medical person had access to it. In one study of residents who abused propofol, it was found that 40% of them died. This is an extremely high mortality rate for an addictive substance. Any person who cannot stop taking a medicine that has a 40% mortality rate is addicted to it. Specialist say it is one of the hardest addictions to treat because the person is not seeking to get high. They are seeking an escape from severe psychological trauma PTSD. They start out taking it because of insomnia and then cannot stop.

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  269. Lauren permalink
    February 8, 2011 3:26 pm

    One additional comment.

    There is no standard of care for propofol used in the manner that Murray did; there are no studies on the effects of this anesthetic given to a patient every night over 6-8 weeks.

    There are no comparison cases on record.

    None.

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  270. Lauren permalink
    February 8, 2011 3:16 pm

    Propofol does not fit in the parameters for physical addiction.

    However, psychological addiction is possible.

    One of the tenets of an addictive substance is that a person develops tolerance for a certain dose or amount. That person physically requires more of the substance to attain the same affect. With propofol, that doesn’t occur. The initial dosing used prior to surgical procedures anesthesizes the patient.

    Every time.

    Perhaps Michael had a psychological dependance on propofol. Or perhaps, through his experience, he learned that he could ‘sleep’ and continue to function when under stress that prohibited normal sleep.

    It is interesting that the 3 nights prior to June 25 he did not require propofol to sleep and reports from those at rehearsal state that he was engaged and performing at a high level.

    We know that Murray was administering propofol for weeks prior to June 25 so it is possible that any weakness or fatigue Michael exhibited were a direct result of this.

    Lisa, thank you for this terrific presentation. We will soon learn who the prosecution will call as witnesses. I certainly hope that this nurse is among them.

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  271. Olga permalink
    February 8, 2011 2:49 pm

    This is a very compact summary. You did an excellent work

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  272. February 8, 2011 1:57 pm

    Great Article Lisa.

    @Suzy

    I’ve heard repeatedly from those with medical background that Propofol is not addictive. Also, another thing that I’ve learned and is important to note. Propofol does not work when taken orally.

    One lady I’ve spoken with has medical background she’s the author of http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com I think David has mentioned her site before. She is very detailed and she has helped explained a lot things. You can contact her on her blog or twitter. Last night she completely blew apart the defense’s theory that some uniformed writer in people magazine did an article on. I highly recommend her blog and twitter cause she very informative.

    Regarding propofol taken orally she explained that it doesn’t work because its so fast-acting and metabolizes before it can even work. Also, there was only 0.013 mg aka 0.0013 mL in his stomach due to the CPR and the tiny bit that spilled into the stomach was not white.

    She wrote some more information, it was getting late last night. So I didn’t get a chance to read all the information she tweeted. I’m about to go read everything right now.

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  273. nenabunena permalink
    February 8, 2011 1:51 pm

    “I’ve heard Propofol is not addictive. Can somebody confirm or deny this?”

    ^^^It is my understanding as well that studies have shown propofol is not addictive. All the new supposition that it is was given more consideration only after MJ died. As to say that he was addicted to it but that years of study in the medical community does not support this supposition that propofol is addictive. So I’m very very wary of this newfound ideal of an addicting propofol to prove MJ was addictied to one. Has anyone read gatorgirl’s blog? I believe she’s a doctor & she believes that MJ was not an addict nor is propofol addictive.

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  274. Deborah Ffrench permalink
    February 8, 2011 1:43 pm

    A stunning, and ultimately, case-defining post. Superbly done Lisa!

    This article must be linked and used in widespread comments on the web now and in the run-up to trial.

    Information really is power.

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  275. February 8, 2011 11:58 am

    LISA, THIS IS BRILLIANT!

    Knowing how vast a material you had to analyze to come to a precise and compact summary like that I can only applaud you!

    The facts you have collected are the very gist of the case and should be learned by heart by every Michael’s supporter (I mean it, guys).

    And the two issues you are emphasizing are really crucial to this issue:
    1) Michael expected to be monitored non-stop throughout his sleep which made it relatively safe for him if the rule had been followed
    2) and Dr. Murray could have pressed Michael’s fingers on some propofol bottles or other equipment in the commotion that followed.

    This post has so much crucial information in a top condensed form that it needs going back to it again and again. This is a great factual basis which opens way to further analysis of the situation.

    Thank you so much for it! No one could have done it better!
    GREAT JOB!

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  276. Suzy permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:54 am

    Great article! Thank you!

    Dr. Murray told Martinez that Mr. Jackson had developed a dependency on Propofol.

    I’ve heard Propofol is not addictive. Can somebody confirm or deny this?

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  277. nenabunena permalink
    February 8, 2011 5:00 am

    “Michael Jackson had an undiagnosed reduced lung capacity. ”

    ^^^I’m sorry but I believe this was diagnosd back in 1980 when he 1st collapsed due to it.

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