To accept facts of Michael Jackson’s INNOCENCE all they need to do is let go of their HATRED…
Vindicatemj: My colleagues made so remarkable and insightful comments on the statements of one alleged Michael Jackson’s “fan” that I decided to bring them together and offer you a summary of their replies as a separate post (rockforeveron, thetis7 and lcpledwards – thank you so much for your wonderful contribution!):
“I used to be a huge MJ fan/supporter but I can’t help but shake my head and question his motives/behavior, etc, especially around children. His obsession with children; him mentioning he would kill himself if there were no children on this earth. The child molestation allegations Having children/adults/whatever sleep in HIS bedroom/bed as they please. (I mean, weren’t there guest rooms/housing?) The balcony/Blanket incident”.
Rockforeveron: I’ve resigned myself to the fact that a certain proportion of people will always believe he’s guilty, even if Jordie were to come out tomorrow denying it. Considering the evidence and Jordie’s behaviour I honestly don’t even believe it’s necessary. Anyone who looks at the facts can see what Jordie’s feelings are.
They’d still say Mike shouldn’t have slept in the same room with kids, that he shouldn’t have been friends with kids, yada yada yada. They seem to believe this alone is a criminal act worthy of destroying his entire life for and they refuse to feel any remorse about any treatment of MJ – he might not have been a ped-le, but he deserved this treatment.
I’ve seen some people on other forums change their opinions about things regarding Michael. But so many people here seem to need to believe the things they do about him, it seem like they just don’t want to let go. They’re mad at MJ and they have to be pissed at him about something.
I’ve seen people accept that he isn’t a ped-le – but then they are very adamant that it was creepy and wrong and weird for him to let kids share his bedroom and even be friends with kids, even though none of the kids involved say it was creepy, so it’s basically just their own views that they’re projecting on MJ to say it was creepy.
Don’t they think it was even worse that he was hounded for his entire life on a lie? But no, they don’t want to feel guilt or remorse about that; he should have been hunted to death just for having sleepovers and for having child friends (sorry “obsessions”). They seem to think this is a rational and fair minded view to have.
Maybe this isn’t enough for some people – in order to continue to believe their original beliefs were grounded and they should feel no remorse I’ve even heard people say (this is very true), “Okay MJ didn’t molest those kids, but it’s likely he was a ped-le just because of how he behaved, so it was right to put him to trial.”
Try and think that one through: “It’s likely he was a murderer, just because of how he behaved. It’s likely he was a rapist, just because of how he behaved.” Who cares if there aren’t any victims, if nothing happened? So long as their prejudice against their fundamental idea of a person can persist.
Just like people saying “there’s no smoke without fire” – so we shouldn’t bother with any criminal trials. Everyone involved in any legal trial must be guilty of something or they wouldn’t be up there.
I’ve noticed that when challenged with serious conflicts in what they’ve chosen to believe is fact, most people downplay anything that outright contradicts their beliefs, shrug indifferently at the value of facts and evidence themselves, and try and move on to another topic, so that the goal post is continuously moved and they don’t have to resolve the discussion and reconcile their original opinion versus all the evidence against it.
It’s like a cartoon where at the end of every episode, everything goes back to how it was at the start. They seem to learn and gain nothing.
When it turns out that you may be wrong, people can either feel stupid and hate themselves (this is rare), or they can resist this and continue to justify their original belief – no matter how ungrounded – because they refuse to have to feel any compassion or remorse for their original judgement on someone.
Like the same people who have been proven wrong about his vitiligo and his children – they still insist he hated being black even though their entire foundation for their argument was… his skin and his children.
Michael has taught me a lot about arguments, critical thinking and why people believe what they believe. I used to think belief rested on facts and that once people became aware of facts they would enjoy being illuminated and progress with their thoughts. It’s how I’ve always behaved, though obviously when you get proven wrong about something it’s embarrassing, but the need to cling to it would be even more embarrassing to me.
It reminds me of this, from a recent paper about the psychology of belief:
- One of the strongest, most-repeated findings in the psychology of belief is that once people have been told X, especially if X is shocking, if they are later told, “No, we were wrong about X,” most people still believe X.
Thetis7: “Michael has taught me a lot about arguments, critical thinking and why people believe what they believe” – that’s how I feel too. We had the greatest mentor. I began question everything because of him.
About the psychological research finding, the reason is the high correlation between belief and desires. That research was very old and it has been repeated many times (test-retest reliability) with the same result. It is linked to emotional factors (aka somebody’s personal reason) and the correlation between belief and objective measures is always low. It is considered to be very reliable and it is one the concepts in social psychology.
Lcpledwards : If Jordan, Jason Francia, and Gavin Arvizo all held a joint press conference to deny the charges, haters would say that they were paid by the Estate. Or, they would say that MJ molested other boys who have not spoken out against him. They’ll cling to those tired arguments to justify their prejudices against MJ. They did not want justice when MJ was accused, they wanted a conviction, and there’s a big difference! They were disappointed when he was acquitted, so they had to make up excuses to undermine his acquittal such as “Just because he’s not guilty, it doesn’t mean he’s innocent!”, “OJ Simpson was acquitted too!”, “Those 2 jurors said he was guilty!”, etc.
The way I see it is this: nobody will EVER say “I think MJ is guilty because I’ve done the research, read books, the court transcripts, and watched documentaries on him!” Their belief in his guilt is rooted in prejudice, and not in a credible allegation or hard evidence. So if Orth, Dimond, and the rest of the haters have to rely on imaginary, “phantom” victims who are too afraid to press charges, then as far as I’m concerned, WE’VE WON! We have refuted and debunked every allegation, no matter how bogus or specious it is, and if the worst thing you can say about MJ is that he let kids sleep in his room, then WE’VE WON!
Rockforeveron: There are many creepy men in this world. Here are some quotes from another very very very famous man (at least for South Americans and Europeans):
- “I have always felt like I was different from others.”
- “Already that young (when I started to work)… it’s not easy.”
- “Most of the time I had to deal with things by myself. Already doing things at that age that a regular kid didn’t do. Or things a kid shouldn’t even have to worry about. Normally kids have someone to do that kind of stuff for them.”
- “I grew a lot, I was basically forced to mature quickly and become a man.”
- “What do I miss the most from back then? Maybe not enjoying my childhood as much as I should have.”
- “If you could do anything anonymous for a day what would it be?”
“Go shopping to a mall with my (young, preteen) nephews. Sit at a cafe and have an ice cream together.”
- (Holding his young nephew) “It’s amazing. Whenever I have time I like to come here and visit them.”
- “I have 4 nephews and it’s amazing. Homes are always better when there are kids. They like spending time with me. I feel great joy when I’m with them.”
Then footage of this person visiting a hospital and kissing kids, talking to them, cuddling them…
This is from Cristiano Ronaldo, a superstar international footballer worth millions and millions.
Now has a baby in circumstances similar to Michael…
People also made fun of Mike for his nose job (like he’s alone in that), the balcony incident (read up about Britney Spears’ incidents with DCFS), having a monkey named Bubbles (Elvis had a monkey named Scatter) and Usher has recently been seen befriending a 12 year old boy and performing onstage with him…
I feel like people have just had it ingrained in them that Michael Jackson was just sinister. This person tied up the balcony incident with the sexual molestation – all these things are the same to them. In arguments with these people you’ll always end up having to discuss plastic surgery, vitiligo, his sexuality, his marriages, his children… they start throwing everything in there, like all of it is part of the criminality of Michael, a big grand master plan of pedophilia he was undertaking, first his nose job, then dangling kids off balconies, then molesting kids, then birthing kids too white for him… he was a “creep” with a game plan!
The video about Ronaldo is great, isn’t it? I got all welled up seeing him with those kids in the hospital. Someone posted that on a forum when news of his baby came about and I was surprised. I’d always thought of him as a jock womanizing footballer… it’s interesting to realize how your perceptions about things can be so clouded based on gossip.
But of course if allegations came about about Cristiano that same clip would be played in slow motion with dramatic pauses, with the colour warped and faded all sepia, accompanied with sinister forebording music in the background, just like Peretti and “Michael’s Boys” were so fond of…..