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Conrad Murray and AEG Live. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THEM, MICHAEL WOULD BE ALIVE NOW

September 9, 2011

Before the start of Conrad Murray’s trial we need to make an overview of all facts concerning AEG’s involvement with Michael Jackson. This will be a sort of platform from which Conrad Murray’s trial can be finally watched.

Let me even make a bold statement that it will be the only correct platform to watch Murray’s trial from.

Learning all the facts there is to learn about AEG’s involvement in Michael Jackson’s life is an absolute must as besides Conrad Murray AEG was the only other direct participant in the events prior to Michael’s death. Their so-called contract with Michael Jackson already partially analyzed here (see parts 1, 2, 3 , 4 and 5 ) made us believe that the deal was not free from fraud and if it came to the worst was about to strip Michael Jackson of all his assets.

While preparing that contract – which is not even a contract but a Letter of intent with assorted papers attached to it – AEG employed numerous dirty tricks including making a cut-and-paste job and leaving some crucial pages unfinished, undated and unsigned (like Exhibit A which stated basic definitions the main contract fully depended on).

It didn’t bother AEG that the contract had a  forged signature of Michael Jackson on the last page of it where Michael was to sign for MJ Company LLC  – which,  for some reason, was the main AEG’s contractor for the tour. Yes, Michael Jackson the individual was not even a proper party to this so-called contract with AEG…..

After the first study of the extreme inaccuracy of AEG-MJ papers, their contract will have to undergo a second reading before Murray’s trial starts – this time from the point of view of its content and the company’s intentions towards Michael Jackson.  But in addition to that there are other documents which also need a brief look – Katherine and Joe Jackson’s lawsuits against AEG, AEG’s Demurrer to Katherine’s complaint, Conrad Murray’s contract with AEG and Lloyds vs. AEG dispute.

The task is enormous and there is too little time left to do it properly, so the posts I’d like to make in this connection will be only an attempt to review these documents.

The materials will be studied with two major goals in mind:

  • uncovering all possible factual information related to Michael’s demise
  • determining AEG’s role in it.

The documents selected for today’s post will be all those enumerated above except AEG’s contract with Michael Jackson proper.

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Joe Jackson’s lawsuit has had a long and winding road as it was filed, re-filed and then finally amended on June 27, 2011.  (Update: On Feb.21, 2012 it was thrown out as a double to Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit, though it actually wasn’t a double. The judge suggested that Joe should join Katherine’s suit as hers was filed earlier).

The 2011 amendment to Joe Jackson’s lawsuit included AEG Live as an additional defendant who in the opinion of the plaintiff bears responsibility for Michael Jackson’s death along with Conrad Murray and his company, GCA Holdings LLC.

I fully agree that AEG bears responsibility for Michael’s death too and that is why despite our common distrust for Joseph Jackson and his lawyer Brian Oxman, studied their lawsuit on a par with other documents related to AEG. To my big surprise the amended part of the lawsuit turned out really good — it is well-grounded, very much to the point and supported by interesting facts and documents, including two draft contracts between AEG and Conrad Murray. It also provides some unique details like the circumstances of June 18, 2009 infamous meeting where AEG made harsh demands of Michael Jackson and read the so-called “riot act” to him.

Randy Phillips: “Let me tell you a story: Michael had missed two rehearsals … the cast and crew were waiting and he was really late. He hadn’t left his house yet. So I called and yelled at him. We had a fight. He finally got there and I got there a little later. He was sitting in a chair, going over notes. He walked around the table and walked past me. But he didn’t want to be rude so he stopped. Put his arm on my shoulder, tapped it, then walked on. He was mad but he still didn’t want to be impolite. That was Michael.”

Among other things in his lawsuit Joe Jackson states that AEG directed and controlled Murray, taking advantage of his difficult financial situation; required Michael to accept Murray’s dangerous treatment, displayed gross negligence by failing to provide the necessary medical equipment and a nurse, and thus didn’t exercise due care which caused Michael Jackson’s death.

As we know AEG doesn’t accept even a morsel of their guilt. The document where they most fully state their cold, detached and truly hypocritical position as regards Murray and Michael Jackson is their Demurrer to Katherine’s complaint.

The fact that I refer you to Katherine’s suit and not to Joe Jackson’s to quote their answer (probably AEG made one, only I do not know of it) does not really matter as AEG’s reply to Katherine Jackson states their official position towards Murray and Jackson and this official position naturally should not differ from document to document.

Let us see what AEG thinks of its involvement in all this nasty AEG-Murray-Michael Jackson business as it is stated in their Demurrer to Katherine Jackson’s complaint (Dec.30, 2010):

p.5  Michael Jackson at all times retained the option of refusing Dr. Murray’s services, or of canceling his agreement with AEG. ….AEG in no way actually controlled Michael Jackson’s conduct even under plaintiffs’ alleged facts.

p.6  The draft agreement expressly states that Dr. Murray and his medical company were to be engaged as independent contractors at [Michael Jackson’s] request.

Unless Michael Jackson signed the agreement, acknowledging that he requested Dr. Murray’ services, then Dr. Murray would have no contract with AEG and AEG would have no obligations to Dr. Murray. …And the costs of Dr. Murray’s services were to be borne principally by Michael Jackson.

p.7 AEG did not choose or hire Dr. Murray; it merely conducted negotiations aimed at retaining him as an independent contractor on the tour – but only for Michael Jackson’s benefit and only if Michael Jackson expressly consented to its doing so.

p.8 … plaintiff’s allegation that AEG is liable because it failed to provide a nurse and medical equipment to Dr. Murray is foreclosed by the draft Murray-AEG agreement, which expressly states that AEG owed Dr. Murray no obligations unless the agreement was signed by Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray signed the agreement – indicating he understood he would receive no medical equipment unless Michael Jackson also signed the agreement – and Michael Jackson did not sign.

p.8 …it simply was not foreseeable, even on the most liberal view of the facts alleged, that Dr. Murray, a licensed physician with no alleged history of malpractice, would administer anesthesia in Michael Jackson’s home. ….it makes no sense to impose on Defendants a duty to prevent the totally unforeseeable circumstance that Michael Jackson would die in his home from an overdose of anesthesia.

p. 9 AEG could not have hired or supervised Dr. Murray negligently because AEG did not hire or supervise Dr. Murray at all.

p. 10 ..plaintiffs allege… that AEG “knew or should have known that Murray was nightly administering sleep remedies to Jackson”. Yet, plaintiffs tellingly do not cite a single fact suggesting how AEG could have obtained this knowledge.

p.11 ..plaintiffs’ negligent supervision claim rest on plaintiffs’ allegation that AEG… did not conduct a background check before hiring Murray… Defendants’ alleged failure to conduct a background check would be pertinent only if plaintiffs also alleged that such a check would have revealed facts sufficient to put Defendants on notice ofMurray’s dangerousness. But plaintiffs did not – could not – do so.

p.11 Plaintiffs’ third cause of action for fraud and constructive fraud must also be dismissed because plaintiffs fail to state a claim for fraud. The elements of fraud are: (1) misrepresentation; (2) knowledge of falsity; (3) intent to defraud; (4) justifiable reliance; and (5) resulting damage. A fraud action against a corporation requires the plaintiff(s) to allege the names of the persons who made the allegedly fraudulent representations, their authority to speak, to whom they spoke, what they said or wrote and when it was said or written”. [by the way, helpful information for us]

p. 12 Plaintiffs fail entirely to meet this burden. Instead they allege only generally that Defendants “made false representations to Michael Jackson that they were looking out for his best interests and well-being” and “that they would provide a doctor and equipment to Jackson to keep him healthy”. Plaintiffs do not actually specify the representations made. Nor do they make any attempt to identify who made these statements, when they were made, by what means they were made, or whether the speaker had authority to make them.

p.12 In addition, plaintiffs’ allegation that Dr. Murray was provided by AEG against Michael Jackson’s wishes is inconsistent with the draft AEG-Murray agreement and should be disregarded.

p. 13 Plaintiffs allege that AEG was the “controller and employer” of Dr. Murray, and that accordingly AEG should be vicariously liable for Dr. Murray’s alleged negligence. Plaintiffs make two claims: first, that AEG orally agreed to employ Dr. Murray, and second, that AEG employed Murray through a written contract signed by Dr. Murray on June 24, 2010 (sic)

p.13 The draft agreement shows plainly that Dr. Murray and a subsidiary of AEG were negotiating an independent contract agreement – but that agreement, by its own terms, never became effective. Rather, the draft agreement indicated that absent formal, written endorsement by Michael Jackson, the parties would have no “rights and obligations” to one another. The agreement also reveals on its face that this formal, written endorsement never took place. On page six, there is a space for Michael Jackson to confirm “that he has requested [AEG’s subsidiary] to engage Dr. Murray on the terms set forth herein on behalf of and the expense of the undersigned”. That signature box is blank.

p. 13 By signing the document, Dr. Murray confirmed his understanding that absent Michael Jackson’s signature, there would be no employment or independent contractor agreement between them. The draft agreement is plain and unambiguous, and unequivocally demonstrates that AEG and Dr. Murray did not have an oral or written employment relationship of any kind.

p. 15 Claims for wrongful death due to medical negligence are subject to a one-year statute of limitations under Code of Civil Procedure section 340. …Katherine Jackson failed to bring her claim within one year of Michael Jackson’s death on June 25, 2009. Accordingly, her claim warrants dismissal on this independent ground.

p.15 The fifth cause of action must also be dismissed against individuals Phillips, Gongaware and Leiweke. Even if AEG employed Dr. Murray (and plainly it did not), vicarious liability flows to the employer, not to other alleged employees. There is no basis for holding these individuals vicariously liable for Dr. Murray’s conduct.

 If we listen to what AEG Live says to Katherine Jackson about her son’s death we’ll find out that such an outcome was totally “unforeseeable” to them and the company never hired Conrad Murray and has no responsibility whatsoever for anything Murray did to Michael Jackson. There were “negotiators only” but their contract was “ineffective” as Michael Jackson did not put a signature under it. Consequently it looks like Murray was not even in their employment – ever.

Can all this be true? To learn an answer to this question first we need to ask a few questions ourselves:

How long did it take AEG to negotiate their contract with Murray and what progress did these negotiations make during that period of time?

Joe Jackson’s lawsuit has an attachment to it with two draft contracts between AEG and Murray which will enable us to answer this question.

Initially Conrad Murray was rendering his services to AEG under the May 8, 2009 oral Agreement only the main terms of which were covered in one of the AEG emails (stating the period, insurance, housing, fee and all the rest of it). At some point in time a draft contract was made and on June 24th its final variant was signed by Murray (no one else signed it). Comparing the two drafts we can see what progress was made between the two of them and why it took AEG so long to finalize the contract.

There is very little difference in the text – in one variant Dr. Murray is called “an owner of GCA” and in the other he is simply employed by it, the duration of the concert period is different too and … these are about all the changes made.  (Correction of April 3, 2013: The date since when the contract becomes effective was also changed, but this will be discussed in a separate post).

Judging by the main guidelines set already in the email of  May 8th and very little progress made later there was a good deal of pretence on the part of AEG that their “legal department was working hard on it” and that the matter was not easy. What was decided on May 8th practically did not change until June 24th and this is why it seems that AEG was just delaying signing their contract with Murray and was doing it intentionally.

Only a couple of minutes ago AEG was saying to Katherine Jackson that there was no proof that AEG had ever made false misrepresentations [to Michael Jackson] and that no one identified who and when made those misrepresentations –  and voila, here we have an email from Timm Wooley, AEG’s Tour manager of May 28, 200where he is lying to Conrad Murray [and via him to Michael Jackson] that their “legal department has not yet completed the agreement which is rather specialized since it is a rare event that a physician is engaged to accompany a touring artist”.

Timm Woolley requests “Murray’s patience a little longer for the agreement to be completed”. As you know this brief patience had to last until June 18, 2009 when as a result of the “riot act” and probably on the insistence of Murray or Michael Jackson the draft contract was finally presented to Murray for signing (as to payment, it was never made).

Here is the email from Timm Woolley of AEG to Conrad Murray:

Date:  Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:25 +0400

Dear Conrad

The legal department has not yet completed the agreement which is rather specialised since it is a rare event that a physician is engaged to accompany a touring artist.

In any other circumstance I would agree that payment should be made as close as practicable to the due date, but AEG policies dictate that payments can only be made under a fully-executed agreement.

We are working on it and, if is any consolation for the brief wait, the reason I suggested the mid-month (rather than customary month end) due date was to anticipate some teething problems in the first payment.

Please may I request patience a little longer for the agreement to be completed.

With kind regards,

Timm

Timm Wooley

LA office + 310 458 3720

Frankly, I don’t think that a doctor accompanying a 50-year old star is such a “rare event”, but whatever it is, the main point is that the absence of any difference between the original and final versions shows that AEG had no reasons for withholding the contract and was delaying its disclosure to Murray on purpose.

Why did AEG intentionally delay signing the contract with Murray?

1. INSURANCE

There might be numerous reasons for this intentional delay.  One of them is AEG’s desire to avoid having any written documentation on hiring a doctor for Michael Jackson until the time he underwent his second medical examination in London (which was to be made on Lloyds’ insistence). This examination was a necessary obligation for the whole of the insurance policy to become effective as up till then only its “accident’ clause was valid and enforceable (and even this clause is being disputed now by Lloyds):

Quote from Lloyds suit against AEG:

  • 13. The Policy wording is amended by certain Conditions Additional, one of which states as follows:  In respect of Michael Jackson, cover hereunder is restricted to losses resulting from Accident only until such time as Underwriters have seen and agreed the medical report from the medical taking place in London and Underwriters’ representative has attended the rehearsals taking place in London. 
  • 47. No medical examination of Mr. Jackson took place in London and, accordingly, no medical report was ever prepared. Underwriters’ representative did not attend London rehearsals as Mr. Jackson died before traveling to London for such examination or rehearsals. Thus, the only covered peril under the Policy was an “Accident”
Point 4 of  the Insurance Policy is extremely interesting and relevant to us:
  • 4. It is a condition precedent to the Liability of the Insurers that the Assured has:

4.2.1. established to their best knowledge and belief after making reasonable inquiry that no Insured Person has any physical, mental or medical condition or is undergoing any treatment, medical or otherwise, other than those advised to the Insurers and agreed by them in writing, and that each Insured Person is fit to fulfil the commitment insured herein.

4.2.2 accepted that any such pre-existing condition in (4.2.1) agreed by the Insurers will only be covered hereunder if the Insured Person continues to follow any medical advice regarding the Insured Person’s well-being during the period of this Insurance.

This point refers to the Assured which is AEG Live*, while Michael Jackson the individual is the Insured  i.e. the actual subject of insurance. So under the terms of the Insurance Policy it is the Assured who is obliged to establish that the Insured does not undergo any treatment other than that advised by the Insurer (Lloyds).

This  means that if at the time of the new medical check-up in London Doctor Murray was found to be providing treatment to Michael Jackson numerous questions would arise in respect of AEG and some clauses in their insurance policy would prevent it from taking effect – thus denying the Assured the indemnity of $17,500,000.

In case the fact of MJ’s treatment was uncovered, AEG as the Assured (who were to benefit from that insurance – otherwise now they wouldn’t be asking Lloyds to pay them) could be found to have made a “misrepresentation” (a lie) to the Insurer which would make the policy invalid – and therefore it was absolutely not in the interests of AEG to sign an official contract with Murray, at least until the second medical examination took place soon after Michael’s arrival in London.

Conversely it was absolutely in the interests of AEG to pretend they never heard of any medical problems of Michael Jackson and that the doctor was needed only for general overseeing the health of a 50-year old performer during the strenuous London concerts. In case any serious medical problem arose they intended to present the case as if they heard of it for the first time – which they actually did when Michael Jackson died and the whole story with propofol was uncovered.

Considering that the necessity to obtain a medical insurance was imposed on Michael Jackson by AEG as a condition of their deal we can safely assume that it wasn’t Michael Jackson’s will or intention to go into this insurance deal, especially since it involved payment of a premium of $437,500.00 and for 30 concerts too.

All he wanted to do was 10 concerts which were initially agreed with AEG. The more concerts were scheduled the higher the health risk was and the bigger the premium and the rate at which it was calculated were. At the moment I cannot assert that it was MJ who paid the insurance fee for the policy –  his ‘contract’ with AEG obliged him to obtain the medical policy but did not explicitly specify who was to pay for it.

But whatever is the case with the fee, it is clear now that while every tabloid is shouting about “Michael Jackson lying about his state of health” they are misdirecting their screams, shouting at the wrong person again. I suggest that those who are shouting loudest – TMZ for example – should better look in AEG’s direction and see the ugly face of a real fraudster and tricks it is able to go to in order to reach its dirty goals.

And the trick is that AEG as the Assured  knew that Michael Jackson was treated by a doctor beginning May 1, 2009  but refrained from signing a contract with him in order to purposefully misrepresent the case to Lloyds during Michael Jackson’s second medical examination in London.

EXAMINER: His death was a shock to the world, yet Michael passed the physical to sign on to the tour, as you said, with “flying colors.” RANDY PHILLIPS: “He took the physical in March long before he died. He had a passing bill of health. Michael did not die from ill health, it was a tragic accident.”

As regards Michael Jackson there was no fraud whatsoever as he did subject himself to an independent medical examination and did indeed pass it in March 2009 with flying colors – so his conscience was clear when as a result of it the Lloyds insurance broker in L.A. issued a policy effective from 24th April, 2009 (when no propofol was yet given or even bought by Murray) through 19th January, 2010.

The occasional visits he made to doctors other than dermatologist Arnold Klein for the five years prior to that are no reason to believe that he had any serious medical history to be presented to Lloyds which could incriminate him in a fraud. So TMZ had better stopped screaming and shut up as far as MJ is concerned.

This situation must be the reason why it is the Michael Jackson Estate which now filed a counter claim against the insurance company – while AEG Live, according to Lloyds, is keeping complete silence and is unable to provide a single document in support of their claim for the insurance indemnity.

Quote from Lloyds vs. AEG:

  • 29. Despite Underwriters repeated requests for necessary information, AEG has steadfastly refused to provide the information and has delayed in responding to Underwriters’ numerous requests for access to vital information. Absent the information requested, Underwriters cannot take meaningful examinations under oath of key witnesses with knowledge of necessary information and Underwriters cannot determine whether AEG’s claim is covered or not.

*Note: A small correction should be made to the term “Assured” under a Lloyds Insurance Policy.

Technically speaking the term included both AEG and Jackson LLC, however at the time of preparing the Policy Michael Jackson had no control over his company at all.  It was fully run by Dr.Tohme Tohme.  This fact is clearly manifested not only by Michael’s own words that he was afraid of his manager who had full control over his business, but also by the AEG contract with MJ which is heavily biased in favor of  Tohme.

To show you the extent of  Tohme’s power over Michael’s business affairs  here is another proof of it.  It is an excerpt from the Lloyds policy which was extended to include Dr. Tohme Tohme too – as if Michael’s performance could depend on that man!

  • 14. This Insurance extends to include the following Named Persons under the Named Person(s) Extension NMA 2845:

Dr. T Tohme.

Additional Named Persons to be notified to and agreed by the Insurer(s).

Michael’s insurance extended for Tohme!

The insurance was definitely a reason which prompted AEG to delay their contract with Conrad Murray, and in connection with that other AEG’s actions are also becoming clearer to us.

2. EQUIPMENT

Under their draft agreement with Murray AEG was to provide the CMR equipment and a qualified nurse during his medical services to Jackson.

Despite AEG’s claim that “it is a rare event that a physician is engaged to accompany a touring artist” you will agree that there is nothing unusual if a doctor follows a middle-aged performer or a sportsman during his tour.

What makes the agreement unusual is a provision of a “cardio pulmonary resuscitation unit (“CMR Machine”) and a “qualified medical assistant” employing “saline, catheters, needles and other mutually approved medical equipment, necessary for the services” as stated in the AEG-Murray contract.

This is really something which was sure to raise eyebrows of the insurance brokers and provoke questions from them about why all this equipment was necessary if the Insured was fit as a fiddle and was not undergoing any treatment whatsoever.

But we, on our part, will ask another question – was AEG indeed unaware of what kind of services Conrad Murray was rendering to Michael Jackson?

Now AEG says they were innocent as a baby and had no idea what was going on in Michael’s home –  however their own enumeration of the obligations about a “resuscitation unit” and a qualified medical assistant with “needles, catheters, etc”  speaks to the opposite and show that they knew of Murray’s type of treatment all right.

Another crucial point concerning the resuscitation equipment is that the draft contract with Murray fixed the date when it  was to be supplied.  After Michael’s death AEG’s Randy Phillips alleged that the medical equipment was to be provided only in London and not the USA, however their contract with Murray proves the opposite and makes Randy Phillips’ statement about “London only” another of his lies.

AEG released the following statement to ABC News: “The medical supplies in question were requested by Dr. Murray for use specifically in London in the event an unexpected need arose. When asked why these supplies were needed, Dr. Murray said that Michael Jackson was in excellent health but an artist of his stature should have this equipment on-hand when engaging in this type of performance. Dr. Murray did not ask for these items for use in Los Angeles.”

Both draft contracts with Murray (initial and final) state that he was to render his services in the UK and the US:

  1. …. Dr. Murray shall perform such services in London, Englandduring any time periods in which the Artist is located in London, and at all other times during the Term, the Services will be performed in the United States”.

Both draft contracts clearly specify that the resuscitation equipment was requested by Dr. Murray from the very start and was to be provided “during the Term”.

And what is understood as the Term in AEG’s draft contracts?

The Term was to commence on May 1, 2009 and continue through the end of the last performance of the Artist in the Concert Series.

Judging by the first draft contract with Murray, on May 1, 2009 AEG already knew that it was their obligation to supply the equipment to Michael Jackson’s home and on the same day when the treatment was starting.

And the second draft contract shows that on June 24, 2009 they knew that the equipment was to have been supplied by AEG a month and a half  before the proposed signing of the contract with Conrad Murray!

Please compare the above with Randy Phillips’ words about Dr. Murray not asking that equipment in Los Angeles and you will know who is telling lies on behalf of AEG – while their Demurrer to Katherine Jackson pretends they don’t know who it is!

AEG released the following statement to ABC News:

  • “The medical supplies in question were requested by Dr. Murray for use specifically in London in the event an unexpected need arose. When asked why these supplies were needed, Dr. Murray said that Michael Jackson was in excellent health but an artist of his stature should have this equipment on-hand when engaging in this type of performance. Dr. Murray did not ask for these items for use in Los Angeles.”

And Conrad Murray’s contract with AEG says otherwise:

  • 3.3. Producer shall provide Dr. Murray for his use during the Term with medical equipment requested by Dr. Murray to assist him in performing the Services as approved by Producer (“Equipment”). The Equipment will include a portable cardio pulmonary resuscitation unit (“CMR Machine”), saline, catheters, needles, a gurney and other mutually approved medical equipment, necessary for the Services”.
  • 2. The term of this Agreement shall commence as of May 1, 2009 and shall continue through the end of the last performance o fhte Artist in the Concert Series unless sooner terminated in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement (the “Term”).

You have  also heard numerous statements from AEG’s officials that since the contract was not signed they were not obliged to fulfill it, which is all wrong as firstly:

“A contract is a legally enforceable agreement between two or more parties with mutual obligations, which may or may not have elements in writing. Contracts can also be formed orally” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract)

and secondly, we are not even discussing whether AEG’s contract with Murray was valid or not – all we need to know is whether AEG knew or didn’t know that 1)  they were to provide certain equipment, 2) what equipment they were to provide and 3) at what particular time.

And their draft contract with Conrad Murray shows that they knew what they were to do and when.

CMR Machine is not an everyday pulse oxymeter or a thermometer kept in every home, so AEG must have surely known for what purpose this highly specific type of equipment was needed – guys working for AEG will not give a cent without double-checking what it goes for, so imagining that they didn’t know why Murray needed a “resuscitation unit” is simply impossible. They knew it all right and this is what makes their innocent-looking stares and feigned surprise so revolting now.

And the May 1, 2009 date proves that they knew about their obligations to supply the equipment from the very beginning of Murray’s services, therefore their failure to provide the equipment acquires a really sinister meaning.

No matter why they did it – to fool the insurance company or in simple but total disregard for Michael Jackson’s well-being – what is important is that they willfully ignored this crucial point of their agreement with Murray and this factor became one of the major reasons which brought about Michael Jackson’s death.

If the equipment had been there Michael Jackson would be alive now.

3. DOCTOR

Though the above points concerning why AEG delayed signing their contract with Murray are more than suffice for any criminal investigation, I am still looking into other reasons why AEG so terribly dragged their feet with Murray’s contract.

With all of the above still being valid another likely reason why they played their dirty game with Murray’s contract is a possibility of a dispute between AEG and Michael Jackson over who was to pay the doctor or Michael’s disagreement with Murray’s services in general.

Randy Philllips of AEG said on numerous occasions that it was Michael Jackson who insisted on Murray as his doctor. Yet, you will agree that there is a big discrepancy between AEG’s statement about Jackson’s “insistent” request for Murray’s services and absence of his signature on the last page of Murray’s contract under the following statement:

  • “The Undersigned herefy confirms that he has requested Producer to engage Dr. Murray on the terms set forth herein on behalf of and the expense of the undersigned”

If Michael Jackson was so much eager to have Murray as his doctor how could he refuse to put his signature under Murray’s contract and for almost two months too?

Could he afford to have a disgruntled doctor by his side if he knew that his life wholly depended on that doctor?

Could he allow himself to be put to sleep not being sure that the doctor – worried with his own financial woes – would fulfill his duties properly and he would wake up the next morning at all?

Was is in Michael’s interests to economize on payment to the doctor?

The answer to these questions is NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Considering how scared for his life and health Michael was and how attentive to his doctors he was as a result of his concerns, it is much more probable that he simply didn’t know that Murray was having all those problems and wasn’t paid for his services. The money was to be remitted by AEG anyway and AEG didn’t report to Jackson on what they did or didn’t do.

The agreement for Murray’s services was between Murray and AEG, and not Michael Jackson and all the money was to be remitted to Murray by AEG (remittance is a funny word and is not equal to payment– you can remit the money first and then demand that someone recompenses it to you, thus making this somebody a real payer).

However if we recall Timm Woolley’s email it was speaking about payments, so as far as Conrad Murray goes he was absolutely sure that payments were to come from AEG:

“In any other circumstance I would agree that payment should be made as close as practicable to the due date, but AEG policies dictate that payments can only be made under a fully-executed agreement.

We are working on it and, if is any consolation for the brief wait, the reason I suggested the mid-month (rather than customary month end) due date was to anticipate some teething problems in the first payment”.

Timm Woolley

The AEG-Murray’s contract was however much more elusive about the subject and spoke about remittances only:

  1. As full and complete compensation for all of the Services to be provided by Dr. Murray under this Agreement, Producer shall remit payment to GCA in the amount of $150,000 per month to be paid on the later of the fifteenth day of the month of the five business days after the execution and delivery of the Agreement. [“execution of the Agreement” is where the trap is – if the Agreement is not executed there will be no remittance even if someone works for them for several months. Later they will just pretend it never happened!]

Since remitting money to Murray was none of Michael Jackson’s business and AEG’s official version was that Murray’s contract was still unfinished (while they were actually delaying it until Michael’s second insurance medical examination in London),  Michael Jackson could be completely in the dark as to what signature he was to put under the doctor’s contract – especially since it was still in the making as Timm Woolley was writing to Murray.

All of it was a big game on the part of AEG where no one really knew what was going on and only AEG was the real mastermind of the situation. Remember that delaying Murray’s contract was in AEG’s interests – not Michael Jackson’s, whose health fully depended on the only doctor he had.

It wouldn’t surprise me  if we learn one day that Michael didn’t know either that it was his responsibility to pay for Murray’s services – his contract with AEG did not give a hint at such a crucial obligation on his part!

On AEG’s insistence Michael Jackson was to pay Dr. Tohme Tohme the amount “not exceeding $100,000 per month” though Dr. Tohme was supposed to be Michael Jackson’s manager and it was none of AEG’s business to specify in their contract with MJ how much he was to pay him or anyone in his employment!

Absence of clearly stated information about payment to a doctor in ‘contract’ between Michael Jackson and AEG is all the more striking if you compare it with a point where AEG specifically states that Michael Jackson is to pay Dr. Tohme Tohme and the amount “not exceeding $100,000 per month” too.

Dr. Tohme was supposed to be Michael Jackson’s manager and it was none of AEG’s business to specify in their contract with MJ how much he was to pay to Tohme, Frank Dileo or anyone else who in his employment!  But AEG nevertheless considered it possible to forcefully include Dr. Tohme into Michael Jackson’s payroll – while simultaneously keeping complete silence about Dr. Murray!

However in terms of their non-disclosure policy as regards the insurance company this is no surprise at all…

From Joe Jackson’s suit it becomes clear that the insistence on Michael’s signature under Murray’s contract arose much later.

The suit says it point blank that the first, oral agreement with Murray, on the basis of which Murray was working at least until June 18, 2009 (when he saw his written contract with AEG for the first time) did not specify any ‘signature’ by Michael Jackson:

  1. A prior draft of the agreement existed for internal purposes. Murray had been rendering his services to AEG under the May 8, 2009, oral Agreement. Jorrie forwarded the written agreement toMurray, with copies to Woolley, Irma Magana, and Brigitte Segal, at 11:11 p.m. on June 18, 2009, which was after the “Riot Act” meeting between AEG and Michael Jackson [which makes me think that if it hadn’t been for that riot they would have delayed showing the contract even longer].
  1. …The written contract mirrored the May 8, 2009, oral agreement, except it required Jackson’s signature, which was not part of the oral agreement.

And this means that if Murray didn’t know about the need for that signature, Michael Jackson most probably didn’t know about it either…

Some of us will argue that Michael could have known about the need to sign, but he simply didn’t want to put his signature on Murray’s contract. Though it is quite possible it doesn’t make AEG’s situation any easier – if Michael didn’t agree to sign, it means he didn’t want the doctor, and if Michael didn’t want the doctor, it was AEG who was imposing Murray on him and Michael was only putting up with Murray only until someone else came his way.

Surprisingly but recently we received confirmation that Michael did indeed want another doctor instead of or in addition to Contrad Murray.  In an interview with TMZ  both  Harvey Levin and Dr. Arnold Klein mentioned that Michael was looking for an anesthesiologist some two weeks before his death. To Klein this information does’t make sense but to me it does – AEG provided a doctor from their side, while Michael wanted his, the one he could trustand who was professional in administering his unfortunate sleeping aid:

Klein          I read the article in People magazine that AEG hired Murray and I think that if I would hire a doctor for a very famous person I would make sure that the doctor was qualified to be the physician to this patient.

Levin         So you had told me something earlier about Dr Murray and Michael Jackson, that at a point MichaelJacksonsaid, “I need an anesthesiologist.”

Klein          Okay, this is not what I said. You heard it from someone else but I’ll tell you what my feeling is on this, because…

Levin         An associate of his.

Klein          Somebody told me that, that Michael called two weeks before he passed away saying he needed an anesthesiologist, which makes no sense when he has Murray there who’s giving him this anesthesia.

The last few weeks even brought us the name of a possible candidate for the job – it was Dr. David Adams who says he was contacted by Michael Jackson and Conrad Murray and they suggested he accompany Michael on the tour. The doctor was obviously a much better choice than Murray as he used to administer propofol to Michael on four occasions earlier (due to some oral surgery in 2008 or around that time) and was familiar with Michael’s system. He even agreed to accompany Michael to London, but strangely enough, despite the doctor’s consent the other side did not contact him further:

  • Adams texted Murray, “I’d like to be on board. Let’s talk about it.” However, MJ and Murray never contacted him again, according to Adams.

Okay, it is clear why Conrad Murray didn’t want or contact Dr. Adams (he was a competitor to Murray) but why didn’t AEG agree to have him instead of Murray if they indeed did what Michael requested, and were simple “negotiators” with the  doctors chosen by Michael as they claim they were?

No, everything points to the fact that AEG specifically wanted Conrad Murray to attend to Michael’s needs and that Murray was their choice, not Michael Jackson’s.

Why did AEG want Conrad Murray only?

Joe Jackson’s suit addresses this question directly and says that a doctor who was having serious financial difficulties was much easier for AEG to manipulate and control.

J.Jackson’s lawsuit:

88. AEG knew Conrad Murray was having financial difficulties and utilized that fact to induce him to provide dangerous medical services it directed for Michael Jackson. Murray was unable to pay his child support of $1,103 a month for one of his seven children, Christopher C.Murray, whose mother was Nenita Malibiraun. Murray did not have funds to support his other six children, his house was in foreclosure in Las Vegas and he was experiencing serious financial difficulties. Dr. Murray had submitted a financial declaration dated April 8, 2008 … where he stated under penalty of perjury that his gross monthly income was $3,300.

112. Murray was not an independent contractor despite the Agreement’s “boilerplate” language which attempted to recite he was independent. The services Murray provided were inherently dangerous and needed Carido-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment, along with a nurse, because of the peculiar risk of Jackson’s collapse and possible death. AEG was to provide all tools, equipment, premises, housing, transportation, insurance, expenses, directions and control of Murray’s services, and AEG’ s hiring and firing of assistants demonstrated an “employee” relationship, not an independent contractor status.

Indeed, though as regards Murray AEG’s contract elusively says that they are to “remit” money to him, as regards his nurse they admit it is them who are to pay her. Naturally this assistant is to be approved by AEG as their contract says:

  • 3.4. Producer shall pay a mutual approved fee for a qualified medical person (the “Assistant”) selected by Dr. Murray and approved by Producer. The Assistant will provide assistance in connection with the Services required of Dr. Murray under this Agreement.

Another point of Joe Jackson’s suit concerning payments to Murray looks like a positive sensation to me. It sends us to a certain Exhibit D attached to the lawsuit which is actually the cost of all medical supplies and medicines purchased or planned to be purchased by Murray and covered by AEG.

You still don’t understand what it means?

It means that AEG knew what medicines Conrad Murray was buying and therefore they definitely knew that Murray was buying Propofol. How could they NOT know it if they were paying his medical bills?

J.Jackson’s lawsuit:

89. The $150,000 a month AEG was to pay him represented a $146,800 monthly increase over Murray’s previous earnings. The additional costs AEG covered was another $39,045 each month (Exhibit D)

Here is Exhibit D which shows that AEG had a special budget for Murray and was covering all his medical expenses (including Propofol) for his attendance to Michael Jackson’s needs. It drives the final nail into the coffin of AEG’s big lie that they did not know that Propofol was being administered by Murray and that the whole thing was totally “not foreseeable” to them.

To be able to cover the expenses AEG needed receipts from pharmacies, otherwise Murray was to pay from his own pocket – which he most probably didn’t want to and definitely had no financial possibility to. Not only didn’t he receive any payment from AEG yet, but he also left his former practice giving him $3,300 a month, which therefore made him totally unable to pay any bills himself!

Exhibit D is an effective proof that AEG knew that Murray was administering Propofol, and this makes all their declarations about them being innocent babies who didn’t know what was going on in Michael’s home a big, glaring and insolent LIE.

Let us limit ourselves now to a mere statement of this fact though the knowledge of AEG being aware of Propofol is opening a whole new and vast area for the discussion of their motives  –  from why they didn’t provide the necessary resuscitation equipment (if they knew that Propofol could be deadly) to why they refused the services of Dr. David Adams who was more experienced in administering the drug and insisted on Murray instead? Let us hope that one day we will be able to look into that too while now we need to finish up with Murray’s contract and Joe Jackson’s suit based on it.

Joe Jackson was absolutely right when he said that Murray was acting not as an independent contractor but was employed by AEG, controlled and directed by them.

J.Jackson’s lawsuit:

111. The written Agreement delivered to Murray on June 18, 2009, at 11;11 p.m. provided the “term” of Murray’s services was May 1, 2009, through completion of the concert series. In addition to the housing, insurance, travel, equipment, and premises where Murray would perform services, AEG was the only one who could fire Murray. Michael Jackson had not right to terminate the Agreement. It was AEG who directed, controlled, oversaw, and supervised Murray’s services.

All major decisions could indeed be taken only after AEG’s approval. No word or even a hint is stated as regards Michael Jackson having a say in the process.

The contract states that Conrad Murray was to perform services requested by AEG (and not Michael Jackson), which is simply amazing considering that though doctor is being hired for a fully able person (and not a senile invalid) he is to listen to and follow instructions of someone else.

It becomes all the more amazing after you hear AEG’s proclamations about Murray being an “independent contractor”. Any independent contractor, if he is really independent, should know better which course of treatment to give to the person in his charge and should not listen to anyone else who is not a professional in medicine –  even if it is his employer.

However AEG’s contract with Murray says that he should render services requested by them:

  • 4.1. …GCA and Dr. Murray shall perform the Services reasonably requested by Producer. 

Another amazing fact is that AEG requests the doctor to produce his license, proving that he is able to render medical services, only two weeks after signing the agreement (if it is ever signed), but not earlier:

  • 4.4.  Present to Producer within two weeks from the date of this Agreement documented proof of any and all licences required for Dr. Murray to practice medicine in the United States and to perform the Services under this Agreement 

The above means that Dr. Murray was allowed by AEG to ‘render services’ to Michael Jackson  for two months running (and now we know that AEG knew that it was an extremely dangerous Propofol)  without anyone even checking his qualification and asking for his license?

Does it mean that if it remained a solely oral agreement the Producer would not even bother to check whether the doctor had a license or not? And they chose this doctor over Dr. David Adams who was also willing to go and was undisputedly more qualified to do the job as he knew how to administer Propofol?

Do we need any more proof of AEG’s gross negligence? Or can this negligence be even qualified as malicious intent as some will suspect?

Remember Katherine Jackson’s complaint that AEG was negligent towards her son and AEG’s condescending answer to the poor bereaved woman? They laughed her claims off and said in their Demurrer that they bore no responsibility for anything at all – while now,  in Murray’s contract, they admit they knew they were to provide the resuscitation equipment and never did it, imply they covered the doctor’s bills for the medicine purchased and say they hired the doctor without even asking for his license!

Isn’t all of it amazing to say the very least?

Joe Jackson said in his lawsuit that Michael Jackson did not have the right to terminate Murray’s agreement with AEG. Indeed, termination of his services was possible only by the Producer while Michael Jackson’s sole right was to say whether he wanted or needed the services of Dr. Murray any longer  – however it didn’t mean that the doctor was to be fired as it was only the Producer who had the right to fire or employ (it was their contract with Murray, not Michael Jackson’s!)

The Murray-AEG contract says:

  • 7. The Term of this Agreement and this Agreement  may be terminated as follows:

7.3. Immediately by Producer if the Artist decides for any reason that the Artist no longer wants or needs the services of Dr. Murray.

What’s the use of all that AEG’s make-believe game about Murray enjoying an “independent contractor’s status” if  his personnel was required by the contract to:

  • 8. “refrain from making any representation by word or conduct whereby any other person might understand or believe that such persons are employees, agents, or servants of  Producer”.

Servants of Producer? Interesting choice of words, isn’t it?

AEG’s point 9 stating the confidentiality clause by far surpasses the confidentiality clause in Michael Jackson’s settlement agreement with the Chandlers which allowed the family to testify in court at any point in time. In AEG’s contract nothing can be disclosed by Murray ever as confidentiality is supposed to:

  • 9.  “survive any termination and expiration of the Term of this Agreement and may be enforced by … legal remedies without the necessity of .. proving inadequacy of legal remedies and without proving that Producer… would suffer irreparable harm as a result of a violation of such confidentiality obligation”.

In other words if Murray had kept rendering Michael Jackson services “at the request” of AEG and had miraculously survived those services but had his health completely ruined by this doctor, Conrad Murray was to keep silence until his deathbed about his “treatment” of Michael Jackson for fear of being relentlessly sued by AEG even without the need to prove that they had the right to do it!

Why should there be so much secrecy in a contract with a doctor? And what irreparable harm to AEG could Murray’s revelations make?  The only explanation that comes to my mind again and again is that AEG was fully aware of Propofol and knew that this treatment was far from being legitimate – especially in the absence of the equipment they promised to provide but never did.

They knew that they were guilty and made every effort to conceal it from everyone’s view…. I wonder if Conrad Murray will have courage enough to tell the truth at the trial?

Point 12 of the AEG -Murray contract amazes you by its comparison with the contract between Michael Jackson and the same AEG. Do you remember the easy way in which all decisions were to be made there, between AEG and Michael Jackson’s company LLC represented by Dr. Tohme? Dr. Tohme was supposed to send a simple fax amending some point of their agreement – let us say changing the number of concerts from 10 into 50 – with a fax copy of Michael’s signature confirming it and that was it, the deal was made.

However in Conrad Murray’s case everything is by far more serious. All notices which were supposed to be communicated by AEG to Conrad Murray (or his to AEG which were highly unlikely under the circumstances as Murray’s only business was to obey) were to be treated with utmost respect.

Murray’s contract:

  • 12. Except as otherwise expressly provided in this Agreement, any and all notices or other communication required or permitted under this Agreement … shall be in writing and shall be delivered either by personal delivery or by certified or registered mail, return receipt requested, postage prepaid by United States mail, addressed as follows:

Producer AEG Live LLC

Full address

GCA and Dr. Murray:

GCA Holdings LLC

Full address

Artist: Michael Jackson

Blank space with no address specified

(as was usual with AEG when it came to Michael Jackson)

*  *  *

Now, after all you have heard and seen, what will be your opinion about the replies made by AEG to Katherine Jackson’s complaints? Won’t they strike us now as ONE BIG LIE where almost every word is a grave distortion of the truth or is at least an extremely cunning way not to tell the whole of the truth?

Check yourselves once again please (not to have to return to the beginning of the post AEG’s Demurrer statements to Katherine Jackson are being repeated here):

p. 5 Michael Jackson at all times retained the option of refusing Dr. Murray’s services, or of canceling his agreement with AEG…. [he could say he refused, only he could not fire him. The contract could be terminated only by AEG].

AEG in no way actually controlled Michael Jackson’s conduct even under plaintiffs’ alleged facts [don’t tell us that].

Murray's contract could be terminated only by AEG (and not by Michael Jackson)

Murray’s contract could be terminated only by AEG (and not by Michael Jackson)

p.6 The draft agreement expressly states that Dr. Murray and his medical company were to be engaged as independent contractors at Michael Jackson’s request [this ‘independent’ doctor was to do as the Producer requested!].

Conrad Murray's responsibilities were to perform the services requested by AEG (and not by Michael Jackson)

Conrad Murray’s responsibilities were to perform the services requested by AEG (and not by Michael Jackson)

Unless Michael Jackson signed the agreement, acknowledging that he requested Dr. Murray’ services,  then Dr. Murray would have no contract with AEG and AEG would have no obligations to Dr. Murray  [now it positively sounds like a blackmail to me – if the Artist doesn’t acknowledge that it is him who requested the doctor, they wash their hands off it].

…And the costs of Dr. Murray’s services were to be borne principally by Michael Jackson [only I wonder if he knew about it].

p.7 AEG did not choose or hire Dr. Murray; it merely conducted negotiations aimed at retaining him as an independent contractor on the tour – but only for Michael Jackson’s benefit and only if Michael Jackson expressly consented to its doing so. [what hypocrisy]

p.8 … plaintiff’s allegation that AEG is liable because if failed to provide a nurse and medical equipment to Dr. Murray is foreclosed by the draft Murray-AEG agreement, which expressly states that AEG owed Dr. Murray no obligations unless the agreement was signed by Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray signed the agreement – indicating he understood he would receive no medical equipment unless Michael Jackson also signed the agreement – and Michael Jackson did not sign. [a demagogic way of saying that they were to provide the resuscitation equipment but willfully chose not to]

p.8 …it simply was not foreseeable, even on the most liberal view of the facts alleged, that Dr. Murray, a licensed physician with no alleged history of malpractice, would administer anesthesia in Michael Jackson’s home. …it makes no sense to impose on Defendants a duty to prevent the totally unforeseeable circumstance that Michael Jackson would die in his home from an overdose of anesthesia [it was foreseeable all right]

p. 9 AEG could not have hired or supervised Dr. Murray negligently because AEG did not hire or supervise Dr. Murray at all  [If AEG had nothing to do with Murray, why did they demand during the riot act that it should be only Murray to attend to Michael Jackson’s needs? Did AEG have the right to demand it if they had nothing to do with this doctor?]

p. 10 ..plaintiffs allege… that AEG “knew or should have known that Murray was nightly administering sleep remedies to Jackson”. Yet, plaintiffs tellingly do not cite a single fact suggesting how AEG could have obtained this knowledge. [Want facts? And who paid Murray’s medical expenses and bills as Exhibit D shows it?]

p.11 ..plaintiffs’ negligent supervision claim rest on plaintiffs’ allegation that AEG… did not conduct a background check before hiring Murray… Defendants’ alleged failure to conduct a background check would be pertinent only if plaintiffs also alleged that such a check would have revealed facts sufficient to put Defendants on notice of Murray’s dangerousness. But plaintiffs did not – could not – do so. [ What plaintiffs cannot do, AEG’s own contract with Murray can. It says AEG was to check Murray’s licence two weeks after signing the contract, not before  – if that signing was ever meant to be ].

p.11 Plaintiffs’ third cause of action for fraud and constructive fraud must also be dismissed because plaintiffs fail to state a claim for fraud. The elements of fraud are: (1) misrepresentation; (2) knowledge of falsity; (3) intent to defraud; (4) justifiable reliance; and (5) resulting damage. A fraud action against a corporation requires the plaintiff(s) to allege the names of the persons who made the allegedly fraudulent representations, their authority to speak, to whom they spoke, what they said or wrote and when it was said or written”. [Who told a lie? Randy Phillips told a lie when he said that the equipment was to be supplied to London only. It was to be in the US and from May 1, 2009 according to their own contract!]

Murray was to render his "services" in the US too (and not only in London)

Murray was to render his “services” in the US too (and not only in London)

p. 12 Plaintiffs fail entirely to meet this burden. Instead they allege only generally that Defendants “made false representations to Michael Jackson that they were looking out for his best interests and well-being” and “that they would provide a doctor and equipment to Jackson to keep him healthy”. Plaintiffs do not actually specify the representations made. Nor do they make any attempt to identify who made these statements, when they were made, by what means they were made, or whether the speaker had authority to make them. [Without repeating ourselves here, let us just state that AEG never looked out for Michael Jackson’s best interests and well-being. And no demagogy can conceal the outrageous fact that they were actually doing the opposite]

p.12 In addition, plaintiffs’ allegation that Dr. Murray was provided by AEG against Michael Jackson’s wishes is inconsistent with the draft AEG-Murray agreement and should be disregarded. [Wrong, it is consistent with it. He never signed that box on page 6 and thus never acknowledged he wanted him].

p. 13 Plaintiffs allege that AEG was the “controller and employer” of Dr. Murray, and that accordingly AEG should be vicariously liable for Dr. Murray’s alleged negligence [I hope justice will have its final say in this matter…]

If you haven’t had enough of it and are still in doubt how to interpret AEG’s outrageous statements, here are some excerpts from Joe Jackson’s lawsuit which will help to clarify details which still remain to be clarified.

Please note that some of the information below could have been obtained solely from the now deceased Frank Dileo. He was the only person on Michael’s side during the many of the events described (for example, the riot act) and was the only witness who could have given his evidence to the effect.

I personally find it very disturbing that Frank Dileo was suddenly taken gravely ill, was given double anesthesia which brought about his prolonged coma and ultimate death. Besides the usual sadness which accompanies the demise of a good and decent person this death is especially disturbing as it took away from us one of the key witnesses who could have contributed a lot to getting to the bottom of the truth during the trial.

The country which had at least one precedent when all witnesses who could have shed light on a key person’s assassination were suddenly taken ill within a very short period of time and met their untimely death, simply cannot afford another similar case with other key witnesses suddenly going. If anything like that were to ever happen it would surely cast a dark shadow of doubt on those who may be directly or indirectly benefiting from such a terrible occurrence.

June 25, 2010: “Oxman filed the wrongful death suit on behalf of Joe Jackson against Dr. Murray. “If the equipment were at his house to preserve his life, Michael Jackson could have been saved,” said Oxman. “I think that Dr. Murray bears responsibility, but I don’t think that his is the only responsibility here.” http://abcnews.go.com/2020/michael-jackson-wrongful-death-lawsuit-aeg-medical-equipment/story?id=11014828

Unfortunately Brian Oxman who isn’t my favorite character in the whole Jackson business (same as Joseph Jackson) is out of the game too, as he has been recently stripped of his license – so we do not know whether Joe Jackson’s lawsuit will have any future. But the least we can use its text for is getting information about the events many of which could be described only by the now deceased Frank Dileo – the man who will no longer be able to tell us the truth.

The text is cited from full Joe Jackson’s lawsuit provided here:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/59105659/Notice-of-Motion-and-Motion-for-Leave-to-File-First-Amended-Complaint-FULL-AEG-CONTRACT-P43

Part of the text has been retyped due to some technical problems and part will come in the form of screen shots. I hope you will find this information helpful:

A. AEG Directed and Controlled Murray

1. The January 26, 2009, Jackson-AEG Contract

78. On January 26, 2009, Respondent entered into a written agreement with Michael Jackson wherebyJacksonagreed to perform the provisions of a contract between AEG Live, LLC and the Michael Jackson Company, LLC. The agreement was an “artist loan out agreement” where the Michael Jackson Company agreed to supply Michael Jackson to perform various concerts and shows for AEG from July 26, 2009, through September 30, 2009.

[please mind the date when the so-called contract with AEG was planning to start concerts – July 26. If this is indeed a contract than the new date of July 13 is definitely breaching it]

79.Jackson announced the “This is it” tour and concerts at a press conference on March 3,2009, inLondon. AEG began to make preparations for the performances which were to take place at its facility called the O2 Arena inLondon. AEG held auditions and interviews inLos Angeles,Californiato hire dancers, musicians, and other support personnel, and it began rehearsals for the London performance.

80. On approximately May 3, 2009, Brandon “Randy” Phillips, President of AEG, and Paul Gungaware, Vice-President of AEG, complained to Michael Jackson that he was not participating in the show’s preparations. They believed Jackson’s failure to rehearse was because he was under the influence of drugs and medications from various doctors, including Dr. Arnold Klein in Beverly Hills,California. Phillips and Gungaware demanded Jackson cease seeing Dr. Klein, that he no longer receive medications from Dr. Klein, and that he have a new doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray. 

[Dr. Klein says that in April he was indeed working on rebuilding Michael’s face and injected some Demerol into his face and scalp as local anesthesia for various medical procedures]

2. May 8, 2009 Murray-AEG oral agreement

81. On May 8, 2009, Gungaware and Frank Dileo, who was Michael Jackson’s manager, met in Gungaware’s office located at5750 Wilshare Boulevard,Los Angeles,California. Dileo had previously telephoned Dr. Conrad Murray inLas Vegas,Nevada, at Gungaware’s direction to inquire about Dr. Murray’s interest in being Michael Jackson’s doctor.Murraywas a physician who had treated Michael Jackson on occasion since 2006.

82. On May 8, 2009, Gungaware telephonedMurrayinLas Vegas, and stated that AEG was interested in hiring Murray to be Jackson’s personal “concierge” physician and to exclusively treat Jackson during the planned shows which had been expanded from the original dates to dates through March, 2010. Gongaware explained Jackson had a drug [Propofol?] problem. He stated AEG wanted Murray to “wean”Jackson off medications and to reduce his dependence on medications.

83. Gungaware said AEG wanted Dr. Murray to get Jackson to attend rehearsals and perform. Gongaware informed Murray that AEG would hire and pay him. Gungaware offered Murray$150,000.00 per month for 11 months commencing May, 2009, through March, 2010, for a total of $1,650,000.00.

84. Gungaware offered Murray and his family all travel expenses to whatever locations the Jackson tour may go, including London. Murray would receive all living accommodations, costs, and cell phone expenses. Murray would receive travel, sickness, health, property, accident and life insurance.

3. AEG confirmed the Murray Agreement in writing

85. Gungaware stated AEG would pay for all ofMurray’s equipment, supplies, personnel, and treatments administered to Jackson. Murrayagreed and Gungaware asked Murrayto start immediately. Murrayagreed.

86. On May 8, 2009, Timm Woolley, who was AEG’s Tour Manager, spoke to Murray on the telephone concerning Murray’s services. They reviews the terms of the Gungaware conversation and agreed that because of the nature of the services involved, AEG would provide Carido-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment and a nurse. Wooley confirmed their conversation in an e-mail.

87. On May 8, 2009, Dr. Murray accepted the contract’s terms. At Gungaware’s and Woolley’s request, Murray traveled to Los Angelesand started his services as AEG directed.

B. AEG induced Murray with repeated promises of financial reward.

4. AEG Took Advantage of Murray’s Significant Financial Difficulties

88. AEG knew Conrad Murray was having financial difficulties and utilized that fact to induce him to provide d

angerous medical services as directed fro Michael Jackson. Murray was unable to pay his child support of $1,103 a month for one of his seven (7) children, Christopher C. Murray, whose mother was Nenita Malibiraun. Murray did not have funds to support his other six (6) children, his house was in foreclosure in Las Vegas, and he was experiencing serious financial difficulties….

YES, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR AEG, MICHAEL JACKSON WOULD BE ALIVE NOW

You will find Conrad Murray’s contract on page 137 of Joe Jackson’s lawsuit:

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  1. June 11, 2013 1:24 am

    that mofo Randy Phillips screamed at Mike and slapped him! wtf?
    I just…omg I’m shocked. how?
    😥

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  2. April 3, 2013 7:47 pm

    Guys, let me make a correction. Now that I am reading Murray’s contract with AEG again I’ve noticed that what I initially thought to be the final version of it was actually the original version and vice versa.

    The variant beginning with the effective date of the contract as of May 1, 2009 seems to be the FINAL variant of it as its closing page refers to June 24th as the date of its signing (pp. 137-143 of the file). This particular text does not have Murray’s signature but from other sources we know that Murray signed it on June 24th (no one else did).

    And the variant beginning with June 2009 is actually the original version as its closing page does not have any reference to the date of this partial signing of the contract (pp. 120-125 of the file).

    All this confusion means that AEG wanted to make June 2009 the effective date of their agreement (though its term started on May 1st), but Murray evidently insisted on the real date when he began to render his “services”. So in the final variant this was corrected – the effective date of the contract was moved to May 1st too.

    This means that the payment was to be made from May 1st and the equipment was to be provided from May 1st as well.

    It also means that on the basis of these two Murray’s contracts it would be wrong to conclude that there was a two months’ break between its two drafts. It was one of the basic assumptions when making this post, but since now we cannot be certain of it I need to make another post about Murray’s contract – based on what we see in the text now. I will try to do it as soon as I can.

    Sorry for the mistake. With this AEG business one has to be a criminalist to be able to unravel their mysteries.

    P.S. I’ve read their emails and see that the two months’ period was correct. They started with an oral agreement on May 8th and made their contract on June 24th, so it did take AEG about two months to draw up Murray’s contract. It is only that the two drafts of the contract could be made within a couple of days between them.

    But I will make a new post about it anyway.

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  3. April 3, 2013 3:39 pm

    From the fact that this post is on top of the reading list now I see that people are interested in Conrad Murray’s contract with AEG. Murray’s contract was published as part of Joe Jackson’s suit against the company.

    Now I’ve added to the end of the post a link enabling scrolling of this 197-page document.

    Conrad Murray’s FINAL contract with AEG is found on pages 137-143.

    So if you want to get familiar with it please either go to the end of this post and scroll to page 137 there or go directly to the original place where TeamMichaelJackson posted the document: http://ru.scribd.com/doc/59105659/Notice-of-Motion-and-Motion-for-Leave-to-File-First-Amended-Complaint-FULL-AEG-CONTRACT-P43

    P.S. The original version of the contract dated June 2009 is found on pages 120-125 of the same file. We discussed it so long ago that I forgot everything and have to refresh it in my memory too.

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  4. shellywebstere permalink
    March 8, 2013 5:08 pm

    Here is the list of experts for the Jackson

    http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128739-Possible-Expert-Witnesses-for-Katherine-Jackson

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  5. March 8, 2013 1:31 pm

    “From what I can make out in the documents that you linked Shelly is the reason that AEG got some of the charges dropped from the lawsuit is because the Plaintiffs say that AEG LIVe is a division of AEG and AEG says that it is its own company. That is why they were dismissed not because there was not foundation.” – lynande

    In short it was dismissed against AEG Inc. for purely technical reasons – because Anschultz does not regard it as its own division but as a “subsidiary” which probably means that it is a separate company.

    The fact that AEG proper is trying to distance itself from its subsidiary AEG Live and is even trying to sell it, is a sign strong enough to show that even Anshutz does not want to have anything to do with Randy Phillips and his team, and does not want his name to be smeared forever after with what they did to Michael Jackson.

    Well, over here I understand him. If Anshutz is indeed a believer in God he is supposed to be he must be having a terrible premonition that unless he does something drastic now his situation when he comes before God is not going to be an easy one.

    Guys, please give me some more time before I make another post. It is very difficult for me – both techically and emotionally.

    P.S. But while I am working on my post Susanne has offered hers which I think wonderful and will post immediately. It is also about the subject we were discussing here as it is about propofol and how it was used on (or against) Michael Jackson.

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  6. lynande51 permalink
    March 7, 2013 7:55 pm

    Before early release he has to go through education and rehabilitation and complete it. From what we have heard from Murray he has not done anything like that in preparation for his release. The only thing he has done in jail is complain and that is not rehabilitation. Rehabilitation would mean that what he did was wrong and that what he did did cost the life of Michael Jackson. My guess is that we will never hear him say those words.

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  7. lynande51 permalink
    March 7, 2013 7:33 pm

    Murray already got paid for his crime with the interview that he did on TV in the UK and here. They paid his legal expenses. Then of course there is the $150 thousand that AEG did pay him. Unfortunately there probably will be a publisher somewhere that will pay him to write a book just like all the others. One thing is for sure though the law that keeps Murray in jail for only 2 years does not say that he is automatically free. He could be in there for up to four years.

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  8. March 7, 2013 12:46 pm

    “Someone,I cant remember who,,most likely on this blog,said that it would have been better suing Murray.Not that there will be any money,but for the possible income from his forthcoming book.A book on Michaels last days.”

    He’ll be out of jail at the end of the year and free to earn money with his crime.

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  9. shellywebstere permalink
    March 6, 2013 11:08 pm

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/128521652?width=534

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  10. lynande51 permalink
    March 6, 2013 9:34 pm

    They could file another amended complaint too, there can be a third one with all the corrections. My guess is that they would just like it to be over and are satisfied with the fact that Randy Phillips will be in court since it was largely him that pressured Michael. At least from the sound of it.

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  11. shellywebstere permalink
    March 6, 2013 9:06 pm

    @lynande,

    I have to check it again but I believe they filed another amended complaint and it was dismissed too.

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  12. lynande51 permalink
    March 6, 2013 8:29 pm

    From what I can make out in the documents that you linked Shelly is the reason that AEG got some of the charges dropped from the lawsuit is because the Plaintiffs say that AEG LIVe is a division of AEG and AEG says that it is its own company. That is why they were dismissed not because ther was not foundation it was because apparently they are not a division of AEG. It was also dismissed without prejudice which mean if they want to file again just against AEG Live I think they can they would just have to file another amended complaint that leave AEG LLC out and just names AEG Live as the defendent. I might be wrong but it looks that way to me.
    As for the sealing of the pleading by the Estate it turns out that Martin Putnam filed a motion and attached a bunch of MJ’s medical records to it so that is why they wanted it sealed. That is what I gather from that so the family did nto know what they were talking about last summer. That’s what happens when you listen to Howard Mann and rely on him to dissemintate information to the public. I think it is clearly appropriate to seal the motion and protective of Michael’s best interest. T
    The interesting part of that is that it would have to be AEG or Marvin Putnam that is leaking information about medical records and what they say. So it looks to me like anything that is said about his medical records is questionable due to the source.

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  13. March 6, 2013 1:59 pm

    Murray is busy breaking the doctor/patient relationship .He has all the time on his hands and has been at this for some time already.Someone,I cant remember who,,most likely on this blog,said that it would have been better suing Murray.Not that there will be any money,but for the possible income from his forthcoming book.A book on Michaels last days.
    On the man who was his friend and whom he was to treat and protect.Now he need not be worry re any breaches of doctor/patient relationsip as it is likely and it should be so,that he never practice medicine again.No more licenses for Murray.

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  14. nannorris permalink
    March 6, 2013 5:43 am

    When MJ first died, ..nobody mentioned this propaful.not a word about it on TMZ, or any place else.
    Later, after the autopsy Harvey is putting it out that it was an open secret that MJ was doing propaful all the time, it was an open secret , yet nobody mentioned it to the police???

    I find it hard to believe he would sit on that kind of info , for so long, and not put it out , because that would have been a heck of a scoop..So I dont know if that is actually true, because I feel like TMZ is a mouthpiece for either the estate or AEG., or maybe both. Particularly since the estate spends so much money on that site..
    They take particular pleasure in grinding Arnie Klien into the ground , and I dont think it is because they care about MJ..I think it suits someone elses purposes, I just dont know who…..But this crap is all orchestrated to me.
    These are all powerful people ..
    Remember Murray walking around , so supremely confident , that all would go his way…Mj would be blamed for his death..He had his youtube statement,comforting his other patients his lawyers, security , private plane,saving people on airplanes, that happened to be caught on camera and put on TMZ..
    Come to find out this guy doesnt have a pot to pee in , and if I am not mistaken,Chernoff said he had maxed his credit cards out supposedly caring for MJ, probably paying for that drug….so how did he pay for security etc
    I dont know if Katherine will prevail but he certainly had a close relationship with AEG, because somebody was floating him on that stuff,….. didnt want him to panic…
    ..I dont believe MJ was looking for that stuff that night, because if he was insisting, I think Murray, desperate for this job , would have gone to his car and got the contract for him to sign..Especially is MJ was begging for it
    He needed this job desperately.
    Nobody signed but Murray, so maybe he was on his way out..
    MJ was trying to stay off it..He had a good rehearsal because he hadnt been medicated like usual..Why would he want that stuff, he would have wanted an alternative or he would have just missed the rehearsal, since he couldnt perform after nights Murray gave him that stuff., anyway.
    It wouldnt have made sense, after such a great rehearsal, to go back to what didnt work for him.
    I think Murray pushed it on him , and then walked away because he resented MJ..Just like always to show him who really is the boss, becuase he is so arrogant..
    Which is why he had near misses earlier times …

    I think everybody including his house staff knew something fishy was going on..
    It was like Russian Roulette.,.
    I dont know if these corporate people intentionally wanted MJ dead, I think they wanted him alive so he would have to forfeit his assets, but I dont think they thought he would do the shows..
    They hardly had anything ready , other then ticket sales , some they jacked up, so they would have made money anyway..Some other group could have played the arena , they would have made money and got his assets..
    This was like a corporate raid, but it was a human being , but they used the same ruthless tactics..
    I think initially Murray thought they were on the same side and were going to protect him , but they hung him out to dry imo..I hope he is angry enough to tell the truth., no matter what it is ..Problem is , he is untrustworthy..If he would use that stuff on someone and walk away , perjury is nothing.

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  15. shellywebstere permalink
    March 6, 2013 2:21 am

    Well, we agree on this. I never said they weren’t negligent. They were

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  16. Truth Prevail permalink
    March 5, 2013 11:47 pm

    Was Michael on Propofol in the 90’s?

    Because if he was what we all have to remember is he did NOT die.

    The cause of death was because there was TOO MUCH Propofol in his body to handle which resulted in Cardiac Arrest which was given by Conrad Murray.

    If I went for surgery of any sort I would naturally put my trust in the surgeons that were operating on me Perhaps that’s what Michael thought and just thought Murray was just another doctor who knew his profession well so did not worry about him.

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  17. lynande51 permalink
    March 5, 2013 11:19 pm

    Shelly the fact that AEG didn’t know what he was doing is actually a couple of dozen points against them. That is what negligence is the fact that if they were paying attention and had investigated Murray they would have found out he was untrustworthy and would do what he needed to to get the money they promised him in exchange for what he was doing for them. That is what makes them culpable in this. Theyeven said they investigated him and he was beyond reproach! How and who did that investigation is my question when a simple credit check would have told them otherwise. Negligence is not that they KNEW that something was going on but that they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that something was going on and the way they should have known that is by having done and actual investigation of Murray to see if there was something that might undercut his ability to perform like any other doctor. Everyone forgets that the first responsibility in the doctor patient relationship is to say no to things that might be dangerous. It is not to encourage it and falsely represent the dangers of it.

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  18. March 5, 2013 10:48 pm

    They promised Murray heaven. Nearly 2.000 000 $ per year, free luxury travel, a beutitiful and sure expensive house. I can grant you that.In a lovely aerea just outside of London or some of its parks.For him,murray and the insrtument and their babe as well.And he had not even applied for a medical license in UK.Maybe they owe him.

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  19. March 5, 2013 10:38 pm

    Nobody knows for sure about the reationship between Murray and AEG.Maybe he expects something..Just thinking.

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  20. March 5, 2013 10:33 pm

    The silence is thundering,or here rather the ignorance.It is hard to believe that the people
    in charge of the practical and business arangements had no understanding of simple everyday psychology, or knowledge of the huaman body and totally lacked the wish to know how the star of their 50 concert tour was doing.Such willful ignorance is suspicious,
    They did the opposite to what a couch does for athletes or performers in general. It is as if
    they wanted to break his spirit.How come many outsiders knew things were not allright.
    In the 2 last weeks of his life Michael made queries about an anestetist.

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  21. March 5, 2013 10:24 pm

    “Murray might have been the one that put that in Michael’s veins but he did so at the insistance of Randy Phillips.”

    By the way, if there was evidence why it never came during the trial, as far as I remember not even from Murray’s side.

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  22. March 5, 2013 10:22 pm

    “Shelly how do you know that what Lisa Marie said was true.”

    I don’t know if what she said was true and I wasn’t talking about LMP, I was talking about what the judge said: that doctors were giving drugs during the tour and she claimed there are evidence of that.

    Now, I am not sure that Gongaware could have known MJ was using drug at that time. Cascio said he saw doctors but he didn’t know about the Propofol.

    “DId you know that what they were going to pay him is about 10 times what a non invasive cardiologist makes in a year? And he was not Board Certified yet so he could not charge through medi care and medi caid what a Board Certified cardiologist can.”

    It’s why they could have guessed there was a problem, but it’s completely different than forcing the drug on him or even knowing he was suing it.

    “You say that Walgren even said the Michael asked him for it. Well what he was doing was undercutting the defense tactic of blaming Michael for what happened.Cherilyn Lee was called to testify because Michael had asked her about it and said ” my doctor said it was safe”. That implies to me that he had not tried it before and that Murray was the one that recommended it.”

    I know that but it also means that wasn’t AEG’s idea.

    “Murray might have been the one that put that in Michael’s veins but he did so at the insistance of Randy Phillips.”

    But there is no evidence of that, only what Murray might say and he had no credibility.

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  23. lynande51 permalink
    March 5, 2013 10:10 pm

    And the brochollitis that he had was from those near misses as well because it is evidence that Michael’s respirations had slowed or nearly stopped before.

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  24. lynande51 permalink
    March 5, 2013 10:07 pm

    Shelly how do you know that what Lisa Marie said was true. That is where the information that Doctor Neal Ratner and Dr. Alan Metzger were givng Michael drugs on the History Tour. She interpreted what she saw the way she wanted to. In other words she was still justifying what she did to Michael when she divorced him. There are hundreds of different things that can be hung on an IV pole that are not drugs. There are fluids and nutrition as well. Does she know what was in the bags hanging on the poles. TPN also looks like “Milk” because it is in a fat emulsified base with nutrients added and it comes in bags. Propofol only comes in a vial. A lot of people could have made assumptions based on a glance or seeing something without knowing how to read it.
    That said… Murray was the one that made Michael ill. He did not have any of those symptoms that he was having until Murray started making him sick every night with the propofol. He knew what he was doing as well because he went out of his way to make sure that Paul Gongaware and Randy Phillips thought it was something that Klelin was giving Michael. That is evident in the emails as well. They put Murray in charge of Michael and they did it with the promise of money.
    DId you know that what they were going to pay him is about 10 times what a non invasive cardiologist makes in a year? And he was not Board Certified yet so he could not charge through medi care and medi caid what a Board Certified cardiologist can.
    You say that Walgren even said the Michael asked him for it. Well what he was doing was undercutting the defense tactic of blaming Michael for what happened.Cherilyn Lee was called to testify because Michael had asked her about it and said ” my doctor said it was safe”. That implies to me that he had not tried it before and that Murray was the one that recommended it.
    Walgren also said in the press conference that if he had a chance to ask Murray any questions what would he ask him. His reply was ” how many near misses did he have”? You see he did know that Murray had probably almost lost Michael at least once if not twice in the days leading up to his death. That is what those symptoms were from that Kenny Ortega was writing about in that email. Murray might have been the one that put that in Michael’s veins but he did so at the insistance of Randy Phillips.
    We will see what he says in hsi deposition for the case. It is on March 18th and I am sure as I am sitting here that Murray will say that they insisted that he use “whatever means necessary” to get Michael to rehearsals.

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  25. March 5, 2013 9:57 pm

    “If it didn’t shock the judge, it tells me more of the judge than of the contract. It also makes me realize that the chances of Katherine winning the case are slim. ”

    So again, you can’t guess that you are wrong. The judge based her ruling on MJ financial situation based on what is done in the industry.

    “The fact that he asked for propofol is not reason enough to die. Patients also ask for propofol when in hospitals (where it is standard anesthesia), and no one dies as a result of that.”

    Patients don’t ask for Propofol in an hospital. The majority of people don’t even know what Propofol is.

    “No, I know how unfair, insolent and mean AEG could be then, when they were executing their ‘contract’, and also now, when they show their true self by the answers they give to Katherine Jackson – so I can imagine what kind of mistreatment and humiliation Randy Phillips subjected Michael to.”

    The same thing can be said about MJ, but thanks for admitting that you don’t know what went on and you based your judgment on what you think MJ was.

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  26. March 5, 2013 9:39 pm

    “Everybody saw their contract, it doesn’t shock people, not even the judge by the way.”

    Those of us who studied the contract and know what to look for were appalled. If it didn’t shock the judge, it tells me more of the judge than of the contract. It also makes me realize that the chances of Katherine winning the case are slim.

    In this connection I remember once reading a comment that “a person should be crazy to dream of winning from AEG in Los Angeles”. Why the commentator said it I don’t know but the idea and the confidence with which this idea was expressed produced a certain impression on me. And now we are getting proof of it.

    “You don’t know what happened and why Philips did what he did”

    No, I know how unfair, insolent and mean AEG could be then, when they were executing their ‘contract’, and also now, when they show their true self by their answers to Katherine Jackson – so I can imagine what kind of mistreatment and humiliation Randy Phillips subjected Michael to.

    “You think that Avram wasn’t worse when he sued him in 1993….I don’t believe MJ is blameless for his death either. He asked for Propofol and he shouldn’t have”

    The fact that he asked for propofol is not reason enough to die. Patients also ask for propofol when in hospitals (where it is standard anesthesia), and no one dies as a result of that. If Murray had been qualified or at least an attentive doctor Michael would be alive now. I know that my attitude to this point goes against everything said by others, but if AEG had provided the equipment and had put a good doctor by Michael’s side I would have fewer claims to AEG now.

    Michael would be alive, and my only remaining problem with AEG would be their infinite greediness. This would put AEG on a par with Marcel Avram and then these two could indeed be compared. However now they cannot.

    “he wasn’t always a victim.”

    In this case he was. If Randy Phillips had died of a heart attack after what he did to Michael I would have said a good word for him. But it was Michael Jackson who died, and Randy Phillips did not even lose his job as a result.

    Tommy Mottola did when Michael had problems with Sony though over there the damage done to MJ by Mottola was much less.

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  27. March 5, 2013 9:14 pm

    “I am against AEG because I SAW THEIR CONTRACT. If you provide me with a contract between Marcel Avram and Michael Jackson I will tell you what I think of that person as well. All I know at the moment is that though Marcel Avram is indeed a terrible guy Michael at least survived his association with this person. But as to his association with AEG Michael did not survive it – and this is where the big difference is. “

    Everybody saw their contract, it doesn’t shock people, not even the judge by the way. I don’t have a contract between Avram and MJ, nobody has it. MJ didn’t die at that time only because he wasn’t Murray, but he was using drug at that time too.

    “Why should I “love” AEG if Michael himself said on the day of his death: “They treat me like I am a machine”?

    Why should I if Michael (yes, this gentle and tolerant person) was not getting on well with Randy Phillips and Phillips was constantly yelling at Michael? How do I know about it? Randy Phillips himself said it when he was surprised that Michael embraced him after an especially terrible scene”

    You don’t know what happened and why Philips did what he did and if he embraced Philipps after that it just means that it wasn’t that bad or that MJ wasn’t blameless.
    Stop treating MJ like he was that perfect person, he wasn’t, nobody is.

    “Why should I speak well of AEG if it was Randy Phillips of AEG and no one else but him who drove Michael into a terribly stressful state?”

    How do you know that? You think that Avram wasn’t worse when he sued him in 1993.

    “In contrast to me you have not said a single good word in support of Michael in this situation. It seems that AEG is much dearer to you than Michael himself.”

    They are not dearer to me than MJ, but they are not the devil that you make them to be. I don’t believe MJ is blameless for his death either. He asked for Propofol and he shouldn’t have. By the way, you are doing any help to MJ by treating like he was always blameless, he wasn’t always a victim.

    “Would you yourself like to be treated the way Michael was treated by AEG?”

    What make you think they treated him differently than other companies do when their employee don’t show up to work?

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  28. March 5, 2013 8:52 pm

    “Stop insulting people just because they don’t agree with you. Why are you so against AEG that you can’t realise that they are not better or worst than any other company.” – shelly

    I am against AEG because I SAW THEIR CONTRACT. If you provide me with a contract between Marcel Avram and Michael Jackson I will tell you what I think of that person as well. All I know at the moment is that though Marcel Avram is indeed a terrible guy Michael at least survived his association with this person. But as to his association with AEG Michael did not survive it – and this is where the big difference is.

    Michael was terribly afraid that all his assets would be taken away from him – and this would have indeed happened as a result of his association with AEG judging by that terrible contract of theirs. They would have stripped him virtually naked if they had “pulled the plug” as they threatened him to. But he did not give them any reason for it. It wasn’t his fault that AEG was not ready for the show – he was ready while they were not.

    Why should I “love” AEG if Michael himself said on the day of his death: “They treat me like I am a machine”? He was a human being but AEG was totally unable to understand it! Even now they talk of him in a most despicable manner possible, as if he were some garbage. No, he WASN’T. If he had been properly treated he would have amazed us by the greatest performance ever. However I doubt that AEG wanted those shows at all. All they wanted was $$$ and more and more of it.

    Why should I support AEG if Michael, a gentle and tolerant person, was not getting on with Randy Phillips and Phillips was constantly yelling at Michael? How do I know about it? Randy Phillips himself said it when he was surprised that Michael hugged him after an especially terrible scene.

    Why should I speak well of them if it was Randy Phillips of AEG, and no one else but him, who drove Michael into a terribly stressful state? And it was as a result of that dreadful stress that he died. He could not fall asleep as the poor guy was afraid to miss the next rehearsal. He was simply terrorized by AEG!

    And I am not even saying that AEG was in cahoots with Tohme and both were working against Michael’s interests behind his back.

    You, on the contrary, have not said a single good word in support of Michael in this situation. It seems that AEG is much dearer to you than Michael himself. But if this is the case then why do you come to this blog at all?

    If you don’t like it here, you are welcome to go any time. Coming here is your own choice. I am sorry but I am not keeping you. Go in peace and look into your conscience instead.

    Would you yourself like to be treated the way Michael was treated by AEG?

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  29. March 5, 2013 8:41 pm

    “It wasn’t even Murray who asked for that equipment – vice versa, it was AEG who informed their attorney Kathie Jorrie about the list required!”

    Of course, they did. Wooley had a phone conversation with Murray before that.

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  30. March 5, 2013 8:20 pm

    @vindicate,

    Do you seriously believe that I didn’t remember that? Do you think the judge didn’t know that? You think that Walgren didn’t know that?

    By the way, in that lawsuit, the judge made the ruling that Murray was an independant contractor not an employee, so you still think she didn’t read the email.

    Stop insulting people just because they don’t agree with you. Why are you so against AEG that you can’t realise that they are not better or worst than any other company.

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  31. March 5, 2013 8:07 pm

    “It’s not what they knew, because there are no evidence that they knew what Murray was doing.” – shellywebstere

    What are you talking of? They were the first to tell Kathie Jorrie, who was drawing up a contract between Murray and AEG in April 2009, what kind of equipment they would need for Michael Jackson.

    It wasn’t even Murray who asked for that equipment – vice versa, it was AEG who informed their attorney Kathie Jorrie about the list required! She revealed it under enormous pressure from Ed Chernoff during Murray’s trial.

    I’ve heard this information with my own ears during the trial and put it down as I was making notes. However when I tried to find it in the news there was absolutely nothing reported there. However I do remember what she said to Chernoff and even put down the way how he made her admit it. She was visibly shaken when she had to say it. This is how it happened – https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/murrays-trial-begins/:

    And then the Defense asked the crucially important question to which Kathy Jorrie gave an answer which shows that AEG knew much more about propofol than they would like to admit. See how it was found out:

    – Kathy said that she had NOT talked to Murray before making the 1st draft contract and was preparing it on the basis of the guidelines given to her by Timm Wooley of AEG.

    – She also said that the very first draft already contained a point about the need for resuscitation equipment.

    – The Defense asked her how she knew that this point was to be included in the contract if Murray hadn’t talked to her before that.

    – To that she replied in some confusion that she was informed about the need for it by Timm Wooley of AEG.

    Her exact answer was: “It was in the list of equipment provided by Timm”.

    This means that it wasn’t Murray who asked for that equipment as we were previously told. It was AEG who from the very start of it knew that the equipment should be there. And most probably also knew what that equipment was needed for.

    As is usual the case with any revelations about AEG’s involvement in this propofol-killing business the media is keeping total silence about AEG having anything to do with it. Morever, the headlines of all articles I’ve managed to find about Kathy Jorrie’s testimony state that it was Murray who asked for the equipment.

    Let me add that not only did they know of the equipment and were the first to mention it to their lawyer, but they also breached their own obligations as they knew the equipment was needed but never supplied it.

    P.S. Dear shellywebstere, shall I tell you how disgusted I am by your constant advocacy for AEG here or do you know it yourself?

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  32. March 5, 2013 7:22 pm

    “And hadn.t Murray been asking for some equipment from AEG for some time that was not forthcoming.”

    I believe it’s what the judge meant. It’s not what they knew, because there are no evidence that they knew what Murray was doing. It’s just what they could have guessed based on MJ’s past and based on what they know about the industry.

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  33. March 5, 2013 7:17 pm

    “They knew very well Michael had felt ill and Ortega let him go home.Later Ortega was chastised for this.The autopsy showed bronchiolitis, not as the cause of death But sure with that you are not to exercise but rest.

    Yes, they knew he was ill at one point, but it doesn’t mean they knew about the Propofol. It’s 2 different things and it was Murray’s job to tell them no if he couldn’t perform.

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  34. March 5, 2013 7:15 pm

    And hadn’t Murray been asking for some equipment from AEG for some time that was not forthcoming?

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  35. March 5, 2013 7:11 pm

    They knew very well Michael had felt ill and Ortega let him go home.Later Ortega was chastised for this. The autopsy showed bronchiolitis, not as the cause of death. But sure with that you are not to exercise but rest.

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  36. March 5, 2013 6:54 pm

    “could exercise any control over how the task was to be accomplished?”

    Because they weren’t in the house. How do you want them to know that if MJ and Murray didn’t tell them that.
    There is no evidence that they knew about the Propofol. Even Walgren said it’s MJ who asked for the Propofol.

    You think that the judge is so stupid that she would make that kind of ruling if there were any evidence to the contrary?

    Like she said, they should have known but there are no evidence that they knew.

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  37. March 5, 2013 6:50 pm

    How so no evidence_it was discussed by the people who took part in it.Murray should know,but oh well he is in prison .

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  38. March 5, 2013 6:46 pm

    Aeg used Murray as a tool to do Michael in.Michaels artistic performance was Michaels responsibility only. AEG had no business telling Murray what to do,ie see to it that Michael attend rehearsals,,if as they claim he was not an AEG employee.,.
    And no business telling Michael he had to take Murrays medications..
    Michael was the best judge of what he was capable of.Or not capable of when ill.
    AEG was wrong in rearanging schedules without Michaels knowledge.
    Who arranges for the insurance .Did they know murray told them lies,that all was ok while Michael was dying or dead.
    Why was R.andy Phillips so concerned re Michael that he said he wii throw him over hishoulder and carry him on to the stage.And those ticket sales.. well that may not belong here.just another dishonesty.

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  39. March 5, 2013 6:45 pm

    “Insisting that murray was Michaels personal physician, how can they then justify their totally inapprpriate intrusion into the patient/doctor relationship?” – kaarin

    Easily. Now they say there is no evidence of it.

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  40. March 5, 2013 6:40 pm

    “She also agreed with AEG that Murray was not an employee and, as such, could not ensure that Jackson would show up for rehearsals. “Assuming that is true, there is no evidence that Defendants exercised or could exercise any control over how (manner or means) that task was to be accomplished.””

    No evidence? And what about the “riot act” read out to Michael Jackson by someone from AEG’s side? Everyone has heard about it and Kenny Ortega never disputed this fact, and it even has its reflections in the email he sent to Randy Phillips. And now it turns out that there was no evidence that AEG “could exercise any control over how the task was to be accomplished?”

    Amazing.

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  41. March 5, 2013 6:25 pm

    “Very nice of Judge Yvette Palazuelos. She evidently didn’t notice Paul Gongaware’s email:”

    Wrong, she did notice it. It’s why it’s going to trial. MJ wasn’t paying him but he wanted Murray as a doctor, there is no question about that.

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  42. March 5, 2013 6:16 pm

    “She also agreed with AEG that Murray was not an employee and, as such, could not ensure that Jackson would show up for rehearsals.

    Very nice of Judge Yvette Palazuelos. She evidently didn’t notice Paul Gongaware’s email:

    Paul Gongaware wrote 11 days before Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. The e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before: “We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.” http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/03/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-suit/index.html

    Well, the judge didn’t notice it and we did.

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  43. March 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    Michael Jackson wrongful-death suit headed for trial
    By Amanda Bronstad Contact All Articles

    The National Law JournalMarch 4, 2013

    A judge in Los Angeles has cleared the way for Michael Jackson’s mother and three children to go to trial on claims that the concert promoter for his planned This Is It tour was negligent in hiring and supervising Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the singer’s 2009 death.

    Los Angeles County, Calif., Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled on February 27 that AEG Live LLC and its senior executives failed to prove on summary judgment that they had not hired Murray or that they had no reason to believe he would be an unfit physician. Murray was convicted in 2011 of administering a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson and is serving four years in prison.

    “There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live’s executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain,” Palazuelos wrote in her order, which became public on March 1.

    “Triable issues of fact exist as to whether it could have been foreseeable that Dr. Murray would engage in the exact behavior alleged here: Dr. Murray’s provision of drugs which led to Decedent’s death,” she said.

    Palazuelos, however, threw out additional claims for breach of contract based on a “special relationship” between AEG and Jackson created when both signed the This Is It tour contract. Jackson was hardly in AEG’s thrall, she said, citing the promoter’s reference to Jackson as “the greatest and most beloved entertainer in the world.”

    “The court does not necessarily disagree,” she wrote. “So, given Decedent’s status and experience, exerting strong financial pressure is insufficient alone to create undue risk of harm.”

    She also agreed with AEG that Murray was not an employee and, as such, could not ensure that Jackson would show up for rehearsals. “Assuming that is true, there is no evidence that Defendants exercised or could exercise any control over how (manner or means) that task was to be accomplished.”

    A trial on the negligence claim is scheduled for April 2.

    “We actually have the cleanest, simplest cause of action for us to prove, which is simply that they were negligent in hiring and retaining, keeping on board, the man who’s in prison for killing Michael Jackson,” said Kevin Boyle of Panish, Shea & Boyle in Los Angeles, who represents Jackson’s heirs.

    “I am pleased the Court dismissed AEG and Leiweke outright, and dismissed all but one of the remaining claims against the remaining defendants,” said Marvin Putnam, a partner at O’Melveny & Myers in Los Angeles who represents the AEG defendants. “Michael Jackson’s death was a tragedy, but as Friday’s ruling and commonsense make clear, AEG was in no position to save Michael Jackson from his longtime battle with addiction.”

    Jackson died on June 25, 2009, days before he was scheduled to start the This Is It tour in London. He was 50 years old.

    Jackson’s heirs originally accused AEG Live of negligence and breach of contract in hiring Murray. They asserted that AEG Live valued profits over the singer’s health, forcing him to show up to rehearsals despite knowing he was ill in the days leading to his death.

    In addition to AEG Live, the suit names its parent corporation, Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc., and its president and chief executive officer, Timothy Leiweke; AEG Live president and chief executive officer Brandon “Randy” Phillips; and AEG Live co-CEO Paul Gongaware.

    In her order, Palazuelos found that the AEG defendants had hired Murray as an independent contractor despite the absence of a signed contract. The AEG defendants had argued that a draft contract between Murray and AEG was never executed before Jackson’s death.

    The judge referred to an oral or implied contract, payments to the doctor in the tour’s budget and discussions about Murray’s compensation—about $150,000 per month—just before Jackson’s death.

    “Prior to the anticipated signing of the written contract, the evidence is sufficient to establish that Defendants and Dr. Murray communicated regarding the current medical treatment and care of Decedent,” she wrote. The fact that Murray was never paid, or that Jackson retained his services beforehand, does not clear AEG of all liability, she added.

    She also disputed that AEG had no forewarning about Murray’s actions.

    “Plaintiffs presented evidence that Defendants did not conduct a sufficient background check of Dr. Murray, which would have established that Murray was deeply in debt,” she wrote. AEG executives knew that Dr. Murray had closed his practice in Las Vegas and had no practice in Los Angeles; furthermore, Gongaware, in particular, was familiar with the fact that Jackson’s prior doctors had given him large amounts of drugs, she wrote.

    “Basically, the court concluded that the plaintiffs presented evidence that AEG could have known the problems with this doctor,” Boyle said. “He was financially dependent, and deeply financially in debt, and basically that they had him close all his practices, so this was his only source of income.”

    In denying the breach of contract claim, Palazuelos concluded that Jackson’s heirs had failed to establish that financial pressure established a special relationship between AEG and Jackson. “Extending the special relationship doctrine to financial control would greatly expand the narrow and limited class of special relationships,” she wrote. And AEG lacked total control over Jackson’s medical care, especially since Jackson saw doctors other than Murray.

    “The facts may establish that Defendants gave some input to medical care, but there is no evidence that they undertook Decedent’s medical care in its entirety,” she wrote.

    In a separate order, Palazuelos granted summary judgment to Leiweke and Anschutz Entertainment Group, concluding that neither had a special relationship with Jackson or had hired Murray.

    In another order, Palazuelos ruled that several documents provisionally filed under seal under a protective order, including emails among AEG executives, should be made public. She did not unseal documents related to depositions of medical professions discussing Jackson’s health or his medical records.

    http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticl…20130205061428

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  44. March 5, 2013 5:29 pm

    Thome had been keeping an eye on Michael for years.So when Neverland comes up so does Thome,then a business partner or something with Thomas Barrack.Gets T.Barrack to come to meet Michael in Las Vegas,Michaels then home. Thomas B. gets interested when the catalogue is shown to him. I dont really understand why this was important,but anyway.
    An arrangement re Neverland between Michael and T.B.. is made. Thome pockets 2.700000
    as A FINDERS FEE…Thome continues as Michaels friend/manager.He plays it both ways
    There was an intense exchange of e/mails between Thome and Randy Phillips.with xeroxed
    signatures of Michael.Thome fires all of Michaels familiar staff, including the nanny.
    Sometime ,a bit before 6.25 2009 Thome said he does not think Michael will do even one
    show. All along he speaks of his great love for Michael.He is there spaeking when Michaels death is officially announced.He had been fired by Michael but this made no difference to
    him.Had told Michael that he, Thome will take care of all business matters so Michael can just apply himself to the artistic side.
    The info./ Thome/Thomas Barrack/Michael Jackson is from Wikileaks, not all of it is there.anymore.
    nannorris is right all these people are connected

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  45. March 5, 2013 5:29 pm

    Palazuelos, however, threw out additional claims for breach of contract based on a “special relationship” between AEG and Jackson created when both signed the This Is It tour contract. Jackson was hardly in AEG’s thrall, she said, citing the promoter’s reference to Jackson as “the greatest and most beloved entertainer in the world.”

    She also agreed with AEG that Murray was not an employee and, as such, could not ensure that Jackson would show up for rehearsals. “Assuming that is true, there is no evidence that Defendants exercised or could exercise any control over how (manner or means) that task was to be accomplished.”

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  46. shellywebstere permalink
    March 5, 2013 5:04 pm

    The difference is he didn’t have Murray as a Dr. You seriously believe that Avram was différent.

    MJ was not weaker than millions of people who has the same kind of problems.

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  47. March 5, 2013 4:20 pm

    Insisting that murray was Michaels personal physician, how can they then justify their totally inapprpriate intrusion into the patient/doctor relationship? Then it was totally up to Michael to decide whether he found tne need for rest more compelling than attending further rehearsals. Of course murray was a puppet and good for that role for many reasons.
    Then the nepharious Thome. More abuot him later as 2 posts just mysteriously disappeared.

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  48. March 5, 2013 1:48 pm

    “All these people are all connected..I wonder what they have planned next, if they are selling AEG and how the Jackson lawsuit might effect it.. ” – nannoris

    I’ll tell you how it will effect it. The more we learn about AEG’s unpleasant ways the lower the price for the company is. The more details of their crooked ways are disclosed the more negative feeling it will evoke among the general public. And no one wants to buy something which has an aura of so much negativity around it. The price will fall and their best friend Tom Barrack will probably buy it making a good deal out of his former friend’s misfortune. One shark will swallow another shark.

    However the essential thing to remember is that each word of truth told about AEG during Katherine’s case is lowering the market price of AEG further, and this will make other sharks wait for the price to drop. This waiting will only contribute to the price fall, and so on.

    The process is actually the same as what was done to Michael through all that negative publicity. AEG is at least buildings and stadiums while Michael the human being was regarded as a commodity and this “commodity” was losing its value with each new negative article they published about him. The media was working to bring about Michael’s ruin and now the same negative publicity for AEG is slowing working to its detriment.

    Will AEG’s Scale Thwart its Sale?

    03.03.13 | 05:15PM PT
    Buyers could prefer behemoth in smaller pieces

    Rachel Abrams
    Financial News Editor

    Negotiations are heating up for trophy asset AEG, but it may take splitting up the company to facilitate a sale.

    Just how potential buyers could afford a price tag estimated around $6 billion was called into question as soon as the global sports and entertainment unit of Anschutz Corp. went on the block last year. But with at least one bidder having balked, the specter has been raised that AEG could be forced to break apart its businesses — which include concert promotions, event production and venue operations — into more easily digestible parts.

    On the other hand, as financial markets show strong signs of recovering from the 2008 financial crisis, it could be easier for AEG to be acquired in its entirety. The company has attracted suitors with deep pockets: Guggenheim Partners, the private equity firm that bought the Dodgers last year for more than $2 billion, was among the strongest candidates sniffing around AEG.

    But Guggenheim has since dropped out of the race, according to sources.

    Bloomberg News reported Thursday that Tom Barrack’s realty group Colony Capital — a partial owner of Miramax — was a frontrunner in the bidding process.

    “We are not going to comment on the identities of bidding parties or values being proposed by bidders during the sale process,” said an Anschutz Corp. rep. “We are gratified by all of the interest being shown in AEG, and at the conclusion of the process, we will make the appropriate announcement.”

    Owned by billionaire Philip Anschutz, the company has previously stated it would seek to sell as a single platform, and has no intention of splitting its businesses. But insiders say AEG could attract new investors by dividing its sports, marquee venues and live-event production businesses.

    Full story here: http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/will-aegs-scale-thwart-its-sale-1200002395/

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  49. March 5, 2013 1:08 pm

    “So you completely disagree with the judge ruling. The CNN article that you like clearly said that we will have a trial because Gongaware was working on the History tour when MJ received lots of drug therefore he should have known that Murray would do the same thing” – Shelly

    The judge’s ruling may be correct as the text of Katherine’s suit is rather toothless and is not about the right thing (in my opinion). Joe Jackson’s suit in its amended version was much stronger as it shifted towards the contract with AEG and you know perfectly well that it is over there that AEG does not stand a single chance.

    Why Joe’s suit was thrown out as a ‘double’ to Katherine’s suit only God knows (and probably AEG). And why Joe’s lawyer Brian Oxman was debarred on some funny pretext only God knows too – I tried hard to understand what terrible thing Oxman did to be disbarred but could not. In my opinion Larry Feldman did much more gross things like lying under oath about his conversation with Larry King, however even despite that clear perjury he is still alive and kicking and practicing law.

    This makes me lose some illusions about the system.

    Therefore I don’t expect much of Katherine’s lawsuit except that we will learn some truth about the way AEG treated Michael Jackson. I am not counting on any money to be earned by Katherine in the process. But this is not the point in my opinion.

    All we need is the truth, even if it discloses that Michael was given something to make him sleep in earlier tours. It won’t shock me as I understand the problem of insomnia. Hypocrites don’t and will feign a great shock. As usual they will pretend that they themselves are angels and the final judges on earth. They are not, and when their own days are over they will have to answer hard for what they say and do.

    Whatever happened during the History tour Michael was still alive then and even went on the later Dangerous tour which he also survived. And after that he even kept making his music and doing a great job of raising his children.

    However if during the same History tour he had had a contract with AEG and Murray as a doctor, he would not have survived already then. Things started happening only when he came into contact with a concert promoter who humiliated him beyond any measure, exploited him to impossible extremes and ultimately killed, at least by all the stress of it. And after that had no remorse whatsoever about what they had done.

    Such “concert promoters” should be avoided at all costs.

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  50. nannorris permalink
    March 5, 2013 5:50 am

    http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/will-aegs-scale-thwart-its-sale-1200002395/

    this is from the and justice for some page..
    All these people are all connected..I wonder what they have planned next, if they are selling AEG and how the Jackson lawsuit might effect it..
    Colony Capital owns part of Neverland..

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  51. March 5, 2013 4:33 am

    I was talking about that part of the article

    Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos, in her ruling rejecting AEG Live’s request to have the case thrown out, said she agreed that the Jackson lawyers provided evidence that AEG Live didn’t do “a sufficient background check of Dr. Murray, which would have established that Murray was deeply in debt.”

    Jackson’s previous relationship with Murray, who treated him and his children for minor illnesses in Las Vegas, did not relieve AEG Live of liability, “although the fact may be relevant in determining proportional liability and damages,” she said.

    While the AEG Live lawyers argued the company could not have foreseen that Murray might use dangerous drugs on Jackson in preparation for the tour, Palazuelos said there was evidence that Gongaware had “previous tour experiences” with Jackson in which “tour doctors” gave “large amounts of drugs/controlled substances to him.” Gongaware testified in Murray’s trial that he worked as tour manager for Jackson’s “Dangerous” and “History” tours before joining AEG Live.

    The judge cited “Gongaware’s general knowledge of the ethical issues surrounding ‘tour doctors’ and the practice of administering drugs to performing artists.”

    “There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live’s executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain,” the judge wrote.

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  52. shellywebstere permalink
    March 5, 2013 3:36 am

    So you completely disagree with the judge ruling. The CNN article that you like clearly said that we will have a trial because Gongaware was working on the History tour when MJ received lots of drug therefore he should have known that Murray would do the same thing.

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  53. March 5, 2013 3:24 am

    “The article that I posted is neutral. The judge dismissed almost the entire case.”

    It may be neutral for you, Shelly. But not for me. And what the system says about justice for Michael has long ceased to be of any importance. At least for me.

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  54. shellywebstere permalink
    March 5, 2013 3:16 am

    The article that I posted is neutral. The judge dismissed almost the entire case. It’s going to trial because of MJ’s past and because they didn’t check Murray’s background.

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  55. March 5, 2013 2:58 am

    “Lets not forget that the number of shows also greatly increased.” – kaarin

    And let us not forget that the bigger the number of shows was the bigger was AEG’s share of profit and the lower was Michael’s share of it – because AEG’s percentage (10%) was to be deducted from the gross sum received from selling tickets and Michael’s from the net profit. AEG took their share before the production costs were deducted while Michael was to receive him after it. He was also to receive 90% of what remained (and not even 100% of it).

    Normally the profit is shared by two partners after their common expenses are deducted from the total sum. This way both parties are equally hurt by the huge expenses. You get a $100 profit, deduct $40 in expenses and then share the remaining $60. And it is one thing to get 10% of the first $100 and a totally different thing to get the same 10% but from $60. First time it is $10 and the second time it is $6.

    Michael’s share was to start from the net profit, while AEG’s share was to start from the gross sum. And in addition to those 10% AEG was also to receive a percentage for their “services” (5% if I remember it right). And we still need to see how the profit for those secondary tickets was to be shared.

    By the way it was only from that cunning scheme of sharing profit that we learn that all production expenses were to be covered by Michael. Nowhere in the contract does AEG say it in a direct way – which is another sign that the whole deal was meant to be a fraud.

    In short there is still a lot to look into and see there. The crooked sharing scheme was discribed in this post:

    “But there is a much more important thing. If you come to think of it AEG’s share depends on … the number of shows! The more the number of shows is, the more tickets they sell and the bigger the overall sum they collect. And the more they collect the bigger their 10% is.

    But the bigger the number of the shows is the higher the production expenses are and the lower the share of the Artist is.

    Yes, a bigger number of shows is damaging ONLY to the Artist. Not only does it mean a more strenuous itinerary for him but it also involves more production costs as each new show means additional expenses on the wages of the artists, their feed, accommodation, etc.

    Each new added show REDUCES the Artist’s share and simultaneously INCREASES the share of AEG! Doesn’t it explain why they so easily increased the number of shows to 50 without asking the Artist and paying attention to his protests?

    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/michael-jacksons-agreement-with-aeg-fraud-in-the-artists-compensation-too-part-3/

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  56. March 5, 2013 2:06 am

    And I would also like to mention one fact before I forget it. Talitha, a faithful fan of Michael Jackson wrote in her blog about a conversation she had with Michael about his concerts. Please read this information carefully:

    “They did the schedule wrong”

    The first indication I got that he wasn’t entirely happy with the tour was on 29 May, which was his last day of rehearsal at CenterStaging. He spoke with a European fan who told him that we were unable to buy tickets to all the This Is It shows, firstly because everyone was limited to buying only four tickets per credit card and also because all the best tickets had been sold to a secondary ticketing site called Viagogo, which was selling them for hundreds or even thousands of pounds.

    Normally the biggest fans are at the front because they arrive first and wait the longest, not because they fork out the most money.

    But the only tickets we could buy at face value, of £50 to £75, were for seats that were the furthest from the stage. (Note that artists usually get a percentage of the FACE VALUE of tickets sold so Michael might have gotten £20 for a ticket that sold for £1,000!)

    After speaking with this fan about the tickets, Michael called the other nine of us into the studio. This is the conversation that took place, as I wrote it down that evening:

    MJ: I love you, I love you, I love you. I wanted to tell you that I didn’t know that the concerts were seated. I didn’t know about that and I’m going to do something about it. They did that without my consent. They just did it for obvious reasons.

    All of us: To make money, we know. We know it’s not your fault.

    Jill: We know how complex this is and how many people are involved.

    MJ: They did the schedule wrong too. It was supposed to be show, day off, show, day off, show, day off.

    Jill: We are worried we won’t be able to keep up with you.

    MJ: (laughs) I put everything I have into the shows. I work so hard. But I’m only one person. There is only so much I can do. (sounding emotional)

    Me: Michael, please don’t push yourself too hard. Please look after your health. You are more important than anything. You don’t have to do all 50 shows. If it’s too much, just cancel them. Don’t let anyone pressure you into doing anything you don’t want to do. Only do what you want to do. It’s YOU who we love.

    MJ: Oh thank you, you’re so sweet, thank you. Bless you all. I also wanted to say that I’m sorry that we don’t put the window down sometimes but it’s for security reasons. I know you all wait for me and I love you so much.

    All of us: Don’t worry, we understand Michael. We love you. We love you more.

    MJ: Thank you for your love and thank you for your loyalty.

    He clasped his hands together, bowed his head, and stood there in silence for a while. We could feel his energy reaching out towards us, filling the room.

    Unfortunately someone betrayed Michael by selling him out to a British tabloid, which reported some of the things he had said to us (and I believe to this other fan) the next day. AEG were quick to issue a statement denying the validity of the story.
    http://www.michaeljacksonthelastangel.com/michael-jackson-this-is-it.html

    WHY IS THIS INFORMATION IMPORTANT? Actually all of it is important but I want to draw your attention to secondary tickets.

    Selling secondary tickets (sold via some intermediaries, agents, etc.) was purely AEG’s business under that “contract” of theirs. And the above story means that all the best seats were sold at a much higher price, though Michael was still to get his standard percentage. We also learn that Michael did not know about what was going on.

    But what’s even more important is that IF those high-priced tickets were to be returned (after Michael’s death) they were to be compensated for at the standard price. This way if you bought the ticket at £1000 you were to still get only the standard £50 or £75. All the rest of the cost remained in the pocket of those who were responsible for selling the tickets.

    And who was responsible for selling the secondary tickets under the contract? And keeping the rest of the price for themselves? Sold for 50 concerts too?

    AEG.

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  57. March 5, 2013 2:05 am

    Lets not forget that the number of shows also greatly increased. Michael was pestering Randy Phillips about this constantly. And was there not some thought of making it to a 3 year plan.as well. Yes, they hoped it would pass for an accident, in this win..win situation for AEG.

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  58. March 5, 2013 1:37 am

    I’ve once read a comment from a reader who paid attention to the way Conrad Murray reacted to Michael’s dream to build a hospital for children.

    When Michael said that he was going to do it, Murray said, “I know you would”.

    He didn’t say, “I know you will”, but he said, “I know you would” as if telling Michael “I know you would if you had a chance. But you don’t have it.”

    MJ: Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave the show, when people leave the show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world”. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. The – in those hospital, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.

    CM: I know you would.

    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/10/05/full-transcript-michael-jacksons-recorded-talk-dr-murray#comments

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  59. March 5, 2013 1:30 am

    “How would they be able to insure him once he got there? The answer is they wouldn’t have. I think AEG and Murray were all hoping that the world would just think of this as a horrible accident when in fact with all the available information it looks much more like and intentional homicide when you think of what was at stake for them if they were found out in London.” – lynande

    Unfortunately it looks very much like it.

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  60. March 5, 2013 1:25 am

    “A more neutral article http://bigstory.ap.org/article/suit-over-hiring-jackson-doctor-go-trial– shelly

    With such emails from AEG the article is not neutral. It is grossly pro-AEG as it is not telling the whole truth. Let me note that with so much “justice” in the media and from AEG’s insolent lawyers we cannot predict the outcome of the trial. I hate to say it but it may be anything.

    But the truth is still there and will go on marching despite every attempt to silence it. AEG is the worst of exploiters who focused on Michael’s coming to every rehearsal though essentially it was none of their business. Their business was to take care of the costumes, technical side of the show, all the equipment required for it – and we can see it with our own eyes that two weeks before the show nothing was ready!

    So this is how they were doing their job? The “This is it” documentary makes it clear that all those videos, costumes, etc. were added to the documentary only after Michael’s death. And they started only in April as Randy Phillips himself said at Murray’s trial. Was it enough? Absolutely not for a big show like that!

    And do you remember what date was initially set for the beginning of the shows in London and even stated in that “contract” of theirs?

    It was July 26th.

    Why did they move the beginning of the shows to a date almost two weeks earlier? To turn the rehearsals into a frantic race? To make Michael responsible for what was their own fault – their own poor preparation of the show?

    THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON’T THEY?

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  61. March 5, 2013 1:01 am

    “A cornerstone of the Jacksons’ case is an e-mail AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware wrote 11 days before Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. The e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before” – Susanne

    Let us make some calculations then. Michael died on June 25th. 11 days back from that date makes approximately June 14th when the email was sent. It concerns the rehearsal the day before that, so Michael stayed at home on June 13th. And this was one or two days after that first meeting when AEG made Murray responsible for Michael’s attendance of all rehearsals (and probably when the riot act was read out to him (?)

    The email itself shows that AEG could not care less about how Michael felt and what was going on with him. They could not care less about their own contract which said that Michael was to produce a first-class show and not a rehearsal. They could not care less about Michael being a “director” of the show and the one who was to ultimately pay all production expenses for it.

    There is so much insolence in all this that I hope AEG pays a trillion. It would be better for them not to exist at all.

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  62. March 5, 2013 12:45 am

    A cornerstone of the Jacksons’ case is an e-mail AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware wrote 11 days before Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. The e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before: “We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/03/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-suit/index.html

    Oh, Susanne, how sweet is the air of truth when you finally breathe it! And how bitter it is! I almost cried when I saw it.

    This tiny piece of truth can overthrow a ton of lies AEG has been telling us all along. They said that Murray was to be paid by Michael. This is actually true as I am more than sure that they would have forced Michael to pay in the end. The devilishness of the plan is that first they make Murray do what “is expected of him” and then they make Michael pay for it (if he manages to stay alive after it of course).

    The essence of it is revolting – first you get what you want from your victim and then you make the victim pay for what was done to him.

    This email shows who the real boss was. They were making Murray do what they wanted him to, and after all that Michael was supposed to cover all the expenses! It is so ugly a move that I simply cannot get over it.

    It is the worst of what I’ve ever seen.

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  63. lynande51 permalink
    March 4, 2013 8:02 pm

    So if Michael was to undergo another physical when he got to London there was more than enough reason for AEG and especially Murray to make sure he never got there.A somple blood test would have shown how much Propofol and benzodiazepines were in his blood. How would they be able to insure him once he got there? The answer is they wouldn’t have.
    I think AEG and Murray were all hoping that the world would just think of this as a horrible accident when in fact with all the available information it looks much more like and intentional homicide when you think of what was at stake for them if they were found out in London.

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  64. shellywebstere permalink
    March 4, 2013 8:02 pm

    A more neutral article

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/suit-over-hiring-jackson-doctor-go-trial

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  65. lynande51 permalink
    March 4, 2013 7:25 pm

    The judge in her ruling said that there was enough evidence to take it to trial. If she thinks that there is enough evidence that shows neglect then AEG would be wise to just settle otherwise this is going to haunt them forever . Imagine having a part in the death of Michael Jackson.

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  66. March 4, 2013 4:08 pm

    Latest news:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/03/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-suit/index.html

    “A cornerstone of the Jacksons’ case is an e-mail AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware wrote 11 days before Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. The e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before: “We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.” “

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  67. March 3, 2013 10:10 pm

    It is common place to give top athletes psychological couching as well as training, naturally. What Michael got was something like anticouching. This corroded his psychological preparedness instead of improving it as couching does. The psychological mindedness of Murray, Randy Phillips and Thome must have been nil.

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  68. March 3, 2013 8:22 pm

    Let me also state one more detail which remains to be clarified – it is the date of the so-called “riot act” read out to Michael. Judging by Ortega’s words it could take place on June 11-12th during the first meeting they arranged for Michael, while the documents filed by Katherine Jackson say it was June the 18th.

    At Conrad Murray’s trial the meeting supposedly taking place on June 18th was not mentioned at all. Over there they talked about the first meeting taking place approximately a week before the rehearsal on June 19th. So it seems that this matter needs further clarification.

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  69. March 3, 2013 6:20 pm

    “did murray prescribe valium half tablet valium,strength of tablet probably 10 mgs ,as that what he used to give, every 1 to 6 hrs, if I understand it right.” – kaarin

    CORRECTION: Now that I’ve enlarged the picture I see that the commentator I took the information from was wrong (a typo and I did not double check, was too tired, sorry). The prescription was 1/2 to 1 tablet every 6 hours. So Valium was to be taken from 2 to 4 tablets a day.

    However it does not change anything as regards the conclusions – Michael took only 3 tablets within 5 days and all the rest remained in the bottle.

    I’ll correct the data in the previous comment.


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  70. March 3, 2013 6:03 pm

    did murray prescribe valium half tablet valium,strength of tablet probably 10 mgs ,as that what he used to give,every 1 to 6 hrs, if I understand it right. You are not allowed to drive a car with that. And the Flumazelin to counteract all the benzos, given am only made matters like coordination and memory of movements worse. And all this of mess to wean Michael from propofol. He seems to lack knowledge of basic pharmacology.
    A person sedated or anestethised for some brief proceedure is not allowed to go home unaccompanied. And Michael had do dance, not just walk.

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  71. March 3, 2013 12:51 pm

    And one more thing before I forget it. The last time Lou Ferrigno saw Michael was two weeks before his death. This makes approx. June 11th and at that time Lou says that Michael was perfectly okay. They were training as usual and nothing was wrong except that Michael did not return the “I’ll see you next week” words.

    June the 11th was supposedly the time when the so-called “riot meeting” was arranged for Michael (we don’t know for sure when the riot act was read out as no one is really talking about it). Conrad Murray was given a task to ensure Michael’s attendance of the rehearsals and it was soon after that Michael began to feel bad. He didn’t attend the rehearsals (according to Ortega) and on June 19th was in so bad a condition that Ortega had to send him home.

    I wonder what happened between June 11th and June 19th? Lou did not see Michael any more. Klein did not see Michael any more as one of the demands of the “riot act”, if it was on the 11th, was to stop seeing Klein (there was one meeting though three days before Michael’s death), but Michael’s health was still deteriorating. Why?

    In this article Lou Ferrigno compares what he saw of Michael on ~June 12th with Ortega’s description of him on June 19th and could not believe it:

    Lou Ferrigno Contests Reports About Michael Jackson’s Deteriorating Health

    Michael Jackson’s longtime friend and fitness guru Lou Ferrigno has challenged testimony from the opening day of DR. Conrad Murray’smanslaughter trial in Los Angeles, which suggested the King of Pop was struggling with poor health in the weeks leading up to his 2009 death.

    The former Incredible Hulk star has been watching the court proceedings with interest and he was baffled when another Jackson associate, choreographer Kenny Ortega, took the stand on Tuesday (27Sep11) and told jurors the pop superstar was so sick at rehearsals two weeks before his death that he sent an email to his concert promoters sharing his concerns.

    Reading the email he sent to an Aeg Live official, Ortega told the court, “Tonight I was feeding him (Jackson), wrapping him in blankets to warm his chills, massaging his feet to calm him and calling his doctor.”

    But Ferrigno insists there were no signs that the King of Pop was ill while he was training him.

    The bodybuilder-turned-actor tells Tmz.com his superstar client was in good health whenever he arrived at his home to work out with him and his energy levels were good, although the King of Pop did complain about sleeping problems.

    Around the same time Ortega reported Jackson’s deteriorating health, Ferrigno worked out with him for the last time – and he admits his final chat with the pop star left him with concerns about his friend’s state of mind.

    Ferrigno recalls, “He said, ‘Take care of yourself,’ and when his fitness trainer said, ‘I’m going to see you next week?’ Michael just repeated, ‘Take care of yourself.’

    http://www.contactmusic.com/news/lou-ferrigno-contests-reports-about-michael-jacksons-deteriorating-health_1247536

    P.S. If anyone thinks that Michael could be thinking of a suicide you will be wrong. There was absolutely nothing to suggest a suicide in what happened that night in Michael’s home. This version was thoroughly explored by both sides and had to be discarded even by Murray’s defense.

    And this means that Michael was worried about himself for another reason.

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  72. March 3, 2013 12:21 pm

    And one more thing. Michael’s personal trainer said that Michael was physically very well fit for the performances but seemed only stressed out:

    LOU FERRIGNO
    Michael Seemed Fine to Me

    Lou Ferrigno — Michael Jackson’s friend and fitness guru for decades — tells TMZ MJ showed no signs of physical distress during workouts, as recently as 2 weeks before the singer died.

    Lou’s account differs from some of the statements in court — that Michael was deteriorating in the weeks before his death.

    Lou says two weeks before Jackson died, he went to MJ’s home and trained him for an hour. Michael did cardio on the treadmill, used the exercise ball, worked with some light weights, completed a bunch of core exercises, and did a lot of stretching.

    Lou says Michael’s energy level was very good, but he did complain that he was upset because he was having trouble sleeping.

    Lou says he had been training Michael 2 to 3 times a week for the tour … and aside from seeming “very stressed out,” he appeared in good health.

    And this is eerie … Lou says as he left Michael’s house the last time — two weeks before MJ’s death — Jackson said, “Take care of yourself.” Lou said, “I’m going to see you next week.” Michael just repeated, “Take care of yourself.” Lou feels Michael knew something bad was about to happen.

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/27/lou-ferrigno-michael-jackson-mj-cardio-health-dr-conrad-murray-manslaughter-trial-case-gym-workout-cardio-treadmill-personal-trainer-fitness/

    Yes, it seems that Michael knew that something bad was about to happen.

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  73. March 3, 2013 12:15 pm

    Now that we know that Michael was not taking regularly even the few pills prescribed to him by doctors I think everyone will appreciate the article from the terrible site I’ve already mentioned (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2283687/posts). Over where they repeat AEG’s lies that Michael was trying to intentionally “make himself sick”:

    Michael Jackson Killed Himself While Trying To Make Himself Sick, ‘Insider’ Claims
    Syndey Morning Herald ^ | July 01, 2009 01:30pm | staff writers

    Source says Jackson wanted shorter tour Claims he tried to make himself sick Says Jackson wanted ‘note from the doctor’

    MICHAEL Jackson accidentally killed himself while trying to become sick enough to cancel upcoming concerts, a prominent author claims.

    Author Gerald Posner, claims that a top member of the pop singer’s entourage told him that Jackson wanted to cancel several shows without having to pay out his touring company.

    According to the advisor, who was not named in the report, Jackson intentionally took a large amount of prescription drugs to induce a trip to hospital.

    “Like a child who doesn’t want to go to school… Michael thought he could get away from his obligations if he had a ‘note from the doctor’,” the advisor reportedly said.

    Jackson’s contract with the company handling the 50-show tour stated that if the singer cancelled any concert, he would have to pay a penalty to the promoters, according to The Daily Beast.

    But most contracts have a medical infirmity clause, whereby if a performer is hospitalised no penalty needs to be paid.

    It was also reported that at least six other sources supported the claim that Jackson was looking for ways to reduce the number of concerts.

    The advisor also said that Jackson’s use of painkillers had increased over the past decade and he believed the performer mixed his pills in order to be sick enough to go to hospital.

    The pop singer died last Friday and questions still surround his doctor’s involvement in prescribing him painkillers.

    Posner has published 10 books examining a variety of subjects including the JFK assassination; the history of Motown; and the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia.

    His books, based on controversial subjects, have been highly praised by prominent reviewers and experts from around the world.http://www.news.com.au/news/michael-jackson-killed-himself-while-trying-to-make-himself-sick-insider-claims/story-fna7dq6e-1225744738244

    There are several huge lies in the above article:

    1. Michael did not take “a large amount of prescription drugs”. He actually neglected taking many of them as we’ve already seen. Those benzos were forced on Michael by Conrad Murray. During the trial some experts were surprised that he prescribed them at all. Some of those drugs do not even produce sleep. Michael would have preferred not to take any at all, because they were useless anyway. The only one that really helped his insomnia was propofol which is actually a safe drug when delivered properly. But Murray didn’t even have the basic dosage equipment and neglected to look whether his patient was alive at all.

    2. Saying that “most contracts have a medical infirmity clause, whereby if a performer is hospitalised no penalty needs to be paid” is a blatant lie for this particular case. There was no such clause in AEG’s contract. The most they had was a force-majeure clause which means that in case of circumstances beyond the parties control the show can be postponed (and not altogether cancelled). There was no specific clause about medical situations in which Michael could be released of his obligation to perform.

    3. A statement about Jackson “looking for ways to reduce the number of concerts” is surely true, because 50 concerts were never mentioned even in that dubious AEG contract of theirs. The biggest number stated there was 32 shows if I remember it right and this was only a hypothetical situation which required further negotiations, etc. However the number to increased to 50 overnight.

    4. And the story about Michael taking more medication in the years before his death and mixing pills to get sick for a hospital is another blatant lie. First, no one could be more sober than Jackson at the time and second, the few pills found in his room speak exactly to the opposite of the liar’s statements. Michael wasn’t mixing anything, he was simply exploited, humiliated and treated in the nastiest way possible – both by Murray and AEG.

    Both of them are the worst of criminals.

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  74. March 3, 2013 12:32 am

    “Several of them show dates well past the time that Murray said he started giving Michael propofol which indicates that Michael was still looking for a better way or a safer way to sleep. Read them and see what you think.” – Lynande

    I think you are talking of this comment (I’ve added only the names of doctors and what type of medicine it is):

    I too wonder why is media using the label “addict” for Michael Jackson? That is simply not supported, for example by the meds left at bedside. Here are the drugs, dates and how prescribed and how they were taken:

    Drug: Temazepam Date: Dec 12 08 took 27 of 30 pills in 541 days with 3 pills remaining-1 @bed MURRAY (BENZO FOR SLEEP)
    Drug: Clonazapam Date:Apr 18 09 took 22 of 30 pills in 68 days with 8 pills left in bottle- 1 @ bed METZGER (BENZO AND MUSCLE RELAXANT)
    Drug: Trazadone Date: Apr 18 09 took 22 of 60 in 69 days with 38 pills remaining– 2 @ bed METZGER (ANTI-DEPRESSANT WITH HYPNOTIC EFFECT)
    Drug: Lorazepam Date: Apt 20 09 took 21 of 30 in 58 days with 9 pills remaining- 1 @ bed MURRAY (BENZO)
    Drug: Tizanedine Date: Jun 7 09 took 2 of 10 in 18 days with 8 pills remaining-1/2 @ bed KLEIN (MUSCLE-RELAXANT)
    Drug: Diazepam (Valium) Date: Jun 20 09 took 3 of 60 in 5 days with 57 pills remaining-1/2 in 1-6 hrs MURRAY (BENZO FOR ANXIETY AND INSOMNIA) Correction: it was 1/2 to 1 tablet every 6 hours.
    That is not the pattern of an addict.

    Of course it is not the pattern of an addict. I discussed all the pills here: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/murrays-trial-begins/ and in several other posts in this category: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/conrad-murrays-trial/murrays-trial-november-2011/

    Now all I want to say is that Metzger also tried to treat Michael’s insomnia and anxiety, but MJ didn’t even take all the medicine prescribed. The anti-depressant was to be taken 2 pills a day, and Michael took only 22 pills out of 60 and if divided by 2 pills a day, this will make eleven days only (after which he never took it).

    Lorazepam prescribed by Murray was taken even more seldom. It was prescribed once a day at bedtime, but Michael took only 21 in 58 days – so it was one pill per 2,9 days (or alternatively he took them for 3 weeks and then dropped too).

    The same goes for all other pills. In fact it seems that Michael was not taking the pills as prescribed and was almost neglectful of the doctor’s instructions. This was his real pattern as regards all these pills.

    Please pay special attention to Valium (Diazepam) prescribed by Murray on June 20, 2009. It was the day when Randy Phillips arranged another of those scenes for Michael. It came immediately after the June 19th rehearsal where MJ, the director of the show, had to ask for a permission to sit and watch as he felt very bad.

    Finally Ortega sent him home after playing doctor on him – he gave him tea, massaged his feet, wrapped him in a blanket. And he tried to reach Murray who was supposed to take care of Michael, but to no avail. So Murray was neglecting Michael not only when he tried to sleep, but in the daytime as well. As you know Ortega sent Randy Phillips a worried email asking to give Michael professional help.

    But the next day Murray told Ortega not to play doctor or psychiatrist, and simply gave Michael Valium – 1/2 to 1 pill every 6 hours (which is 2 -4 pills depending on the amount taken at a time).

    However following his pattern Michael took only 3 pills in the five days that followed and that was it. 57 pills out of 60 pills of Valium remained.

    In these circumstances it is ridiculous to call Michael a “drug-addict”. It seems that he was not taking even what the doctors told him to.

    P.S. Sorry I cannot answer any more comments today. Tired like a dog.

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  75. lynande51 permalink
    March 2, 2013 1:06 am

    Actually Helena there is no explanation good enough for Murray to have been administering propofol at all, let alone in the setting in which he did.
    What is interesting is that in listening again to the recording of Michael I realized that the length of it alone says that Michael was sleeping with the benzos because he falls asleep at the end of it. Propofol works to quickly to have that long of an dialogue. So why did Murray even add the propofol. Then if you look through the comments of the article that you and Susanne cited you will find a list of medications that were found in Michael’s house that day. Several of them show dates well past the time that Murray said he started giving Michael propofol which indicates that Michael was still looking for a better way or a safer way to sleep. Read them and see what you think. Sometimes timing is everything and if Michael was still asking for other ways to sleep and the medications were barely used what else does that say about Murray? I always suspected that Murray played that tape to Michael and threatened him with it to get him to use his method or to hire him either way Murray is much more sinister than people think. You can see it in his “interview” that he did. He is completely without remorse.

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  76. March 2, 2013 12:16 am

    Susanne, thank you very much for the article by Michael C. Barnes. The article is great and the fact that Mr. Barnes is an expert on drug abuse who worked for the US government drug policy office only gives more weight to his opinion.

    Here are some more quotes from his article to close the subject:

    “The testimony of defense witness Dr. Robert Waldman yesterday in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray finally cleared the record on a crucial point: The facts in this case do not support the notion that Michael Jackson was addicted to opioid pain relievers or any other medications.

    “Waldman is a self-proclaimed addiction specialist (not certified by the American Board of Addiction Medicine) who provides care for substance-related disorders some of the time, and kidney dialysis treatment the rest of the time.

    Waldman’s definitions of key terms were consistent with those set forth by real authorities in addiction medicine:

    Addiction: a primary, chronic, neurobiologic disease characterized by behaviors such as impaired control over drug use, continued use despite harm, and craving.

    Dependence: a state of adaptation that is manifested by a drug-class-specific withdrawal syndrome that can be produced by abrupt cessation, rapid dose reduction, decreasing blood level of the drug, and/or administration of an antagonist.

    [See Definitions related to the medical use of opioids: evolution towards universal agreement. J. Pain Symptom Manage. 2003; 26(1):655-67.]

    Waldman testified that the evidence he reviewed suggested that Michael Jackson may have shown signs of dependence on opioid pain relievers such as demerol, which Jackson received when undergoing dermatological procedures. Jackson was “probably not” addicted to the medications. A diagnosis of addiction could only be supported by what Waldman described as the “public behavior” of Michael Jackson — not facts on the record.”

    Here is Mr. Barnes’ opinion and diagnosis:

    “Since before this trial began, I have been stressing the fact that the evidence in this case does not support a conclusion that Michael Jackson was addicted. Rather, Jackson suffered from undertreated anxiety, insomnia, and perhaps chronic pain. Any drug-seeking behaviors Jackson displayed were likely the result of desperation for care that would enable him to live a normal life that included the basic human essentials of family time, work, and sleep.”

    http://psbar.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/two-michaels-vindicated/

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  77. March 2, 2013 12:04 am

    You are right Helena. That same worn mantra.

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  78. March 1, 2013 11:40 pm

    “it is WWP that you have on your logo. ..I have learned that psycological trauma ie PTSD is quite common in returning military personnel.”

    Kaarin, the main feature of those who help wounded soldiers is understanding and compassion. This person, who thinks that anyone who is given benzos by a doctor or is left unattended with propofol pouring into his veins is a drug-addict whose life is worthless, is absolutely unable to help anyone at all.

    This person is simply not suitable for this job and if some wounded soldiers are in his care they should run away from this JayCorey as fast as they can. It is an impostor.

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  79. March 1, 2013 11:27 pm

    “To all of our readers Helena has blocked this person and there should be no futher replies this person. It is unfortunate that this person has found a way to avoid being blocked by using and IP proxy which allows their location to change and therefore they cannot be blocked.”

    Lynette, I’ve blocked this person again though of course he will reappear again – from another IP address this time. Frankly I prefer not to block them as it is useless. I like seeing them leave on their own.

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  80. March 1, 2013 11:11 pm

    I will one more time point out that murray was guilty of some of the 10 most serious mistakes by doctors,texting,reading texts,attending to his peronal social communications while he had Michael on a propofol drip.
    Only this alone is sufficient for gross malpractice.

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  81. March 1, 2013 11:03 pm

    I did in 2011 listen to murrays utterly selfserving and stupid PR film.
    And I have to admit to feelings of shadendfreude.I know this is a negative feeling, just could not help it,how he put his foot in his mouth.

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  82. March 1, 2013 10:51 pm

    “There was no video shown of Michael admitting that he was a drug addict in the course of the Conrad Murray trial. I watched every single minute of it.” – lynande

    Of course there was no video like that. Not only did I watch the trial but I also took minutes of it and made a summary of each day. If this person claims that there was any such video he is simply pulling our leg. Frankly I don’t even want to read this nonsense – reading it is giving too much credit to this person.

    “we got Murray’s months long “interview” that he made during which it was Murray that said Michael was an addict not Michael”

    It is ridiculous to even listen to Murray. He is a killer, a criminal doctor, who will say anything to whitewash himself. There is no way he can explain why he left Michael’s bedside for so long and did business on the phone or spoke to his girlfriend instead.

    If this is “normal” in the US medical practice then it will leave the rest of the world simply lost for words.

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  83. lynande51 permalink
    March 1, 2013 9:04 pm

    To all of our readers Helena has blocked this person and there should be no futher replies this person. It is unfortunate that this person has found a way to avoid being blocked by using and IP proxy which allows their location to change and therefore they cannot be blocked. We have seen it many times before and unfortunately we will continue to see it. IF this person would like to discuss this issue intelligently without the repition of he was an addict in spite of all the evidence to the contrary I for one would be more than happy to help. This person should also tell us what their real name is and where they hail from.because the IP address that was used was from the UK and The Wounded Warrior Project is an American Charity.

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  84. March 1, 2013 8:51 pm

    Sorry for the mistake, it is WWP that you have on your logo.I used to live in US for quite some time and still keep in touch with friends there and read up on various topics.From that I have learned that psycological trauma. ie PTSD is quite common in returning military personnel..

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  85. March 1, 2013 8:40 pm

    Michael suffered from PTSD, something I guess you Corey may know about judging from the www you have on your logo. It is an anxiety disorder.You belittle some commentators professional background. Maybe you could be curteous enough to let us know what your background is.. Nobody here will have anything against WWW that you support or belong to.

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  86. JanCorey permalink
    March 1, 2013 6:47 pm

    If only MJ had been able to overcome his drug addictions and drug dependency issues before it was too late, my how things would be different.

    * * *
    VMJ: Things would also be different if people who allegedly carry wounded soldiers from the field also had a drop of compassion in their blood. I guess that wounded soldiers who are prescribed benzos by doctors are not worthy to be saved and should be left there to die?

    I’ve found another interesting definition of a troll. This one reflects the essence of all this constant drug addict mantra. It turns out that trolling is singing the same tune by different people. In our case it is singing the same tune from different IP addresses:

    “A partsong in which voices follow each other; one voice starts and others join in one after another until all are singing different parts of the song at the same time”

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  87. JanCorey permalink
    March 1, 2013 6:33 pm

    Yes, I agree and MJ will be sorely missed just like other drug addicts like him that we have lost over the years.

    * * *
    VMJ: Have you said everthing you have to say dear? Okay, now let me inform you that we don’t waste our time on trolls here. Here is a definition of a troll:

    – “A person who posts to a newsgroup, bulletin board, etc., in a way intended to anger other posters and to cause drama, or otherwise disrupt the group’s intended purpose.”

    But I like this definition best:

    – “Ugly, hairy, mean beasts who live under bridges”. From folklore.

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  88. lynande51 permalink
    March 1, 2013 6:24 pm

    Michael suffered from insomnia while on tour and during rehearsals because of the high level of adrenalin that was in his body after doing 2+ hours of aerobic exercise. You can’t do that much aerobic exercise and then expect to sleep. You have to do that earlier in the day and then give your body a chance to wind down and for the adrenalin to go back to normal. The reason that his body ached the next day is because of the lactic acid that is released into the muscle tissue when you do that kind of exercise. That stays in the muscle tissue unless you do a cool down period after aerobic exercise.
    His anxiety was about not being able to perform because he knew this from past experiences that he would not be able to sleep. He did not always have insomnia but he did when he was on tour.
    There was no video shown of Michael admitting that he was a drug addict in the course of the Conrad Murray trial. I watched every single minute of it. The only recording that was presented at the trial was the talk recording of Michael that Murray recorded when he was under the influence of one of the benzos that he was giving him. He would not have the time to say all that he did if he was given propofol because it acts in seconds not minutes.
    The only video that was shown was after the trial when we got Murray’s months long “interview” that he made during which it was Murray that said Michael was an addict not Michael. I have watched both the US and the UK versions.
    And further more I do have a degree in Nursing, several of them as a matter of fact and one of them is in psychiatric nursing, ( chemical dependency is a part of that) and the other is in critical care nursing so I do know what I am talking about some of the time.

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  89. March 1, 2013 3:54 pm

    Just for the other readers it is necessary to say this:

    OK, JanCorey, so leave this matter to the experts. This is from Michael C. Barnes who is an expert on drug abuse and even worked for the US government in the office for drug policy. Read his blog:

    http://psbar.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/two-michaels-vindicated/

    Quote:
    “The testimony of defense witness Dr. Robert Waldman yesterday in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray finally cleared the record on a crucial point: The facts in this case do not support the notion that Michael Jackson was addicted to opioid pain relievers or any other medications.
    Since before this trial began, I have been stressing the fact that the evidence in this case does not support a conclusion that Michael Jackson was addicted. Rather, Jackson suffered from undertreated anxiety, insomnia, and perhaps chronic pain. Any drug-seeking behaviors Jackson displayed were likely the result of desperation for care that would enable him to live a normal life that included the basic human essentials of family time, work, and sleep.
    Waldman is a self-proclaimed addiction specialist (not certified by the American Board of Addiction Medicine) who provides care for substance-related disorders some of the time, and kidney dialysis treatment the rest of the time.”

    This is the truth that came out of the Murray trial and nothing else!

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  90. lynande51 permalink
    March 1, 2013 4:20 am

    Darn just when it was getting fun 🙂 Why is it that a liar’s only defense seems to be to attack the one that exposes the lie?

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  91. March 1, 2013 3:37 am

    “there are thousands of links available on the open-internet and many be available to you if you simply search and enter those sites. The more information you are able to grasp, the better informed you will be and the better emotional feeling you will feel about your own self-esteem lynande51. I do not believe this site is an appropriate avenue to discuss your psychological difficulties here asnd we all wish you the best of luck in your recovery process… God will likely place you in Hell for that and our best and most gracious wishes go out to you to comfort you down there.”

    JanCorey, first you kept sending people on errands in order to prove the points you yourself were trying to make. Now you have fallen as low as degrading others. This makes me think that his site is indeed no appropriate avenue for someone like you. I also wish you the best of luck – in your recovery process. And you do need recovery very much indeed. In the meantime you are banned.

    Lynette, please accept my apologies for this troll arranging a shooting party here. I should have banned this beast earlier. Please try not to pay attention.

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  92. JanCorey permalink
    March 1, 2013 3:09 am

    Clearly, at least to me, you do not have a medical license or degrees in anything possibly related to anything to do with medicine as many of us do. That may explain some of your confusions on this issue. Also, there are thousands of links available on the open-internet and many be available to you if you simply search and enter those sites, especially the legal sites and medical sites that have already confirmed MJ’s position on some of his addictions and life-problems. The more information you are able to grasp, the better informed you will be and the better emotional feeling you will feel about your own self-esteem lynande51. I do not believe this site is an appropriate avenue to discuss your psychological difficulties here asnd we all wish you the best of luck in your recovery process. Hope yopu will keep MJ in your thoughts and pray for him as we all pray for you and your recovery. God speed.

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  93. JanCorey permalink
    March 1, 2013 2:56 am

    The video is part of the court record in the trial against Dr. Conrad. Using facts instead of emotions is always easier imo.

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  94. JanCorey permalink
    March 1, 2013 2:53 am

    Facts about MJ’s admitted-addictions still seem to rattle you lynande51, so, your confirmed habit of attacking the messenger is still in constant attack-mode. Which, makes you, lynande5, appear vengeful and indicative towards the good memory of Micheal Jackson. God will likely place you in Hell for that and our best and most gracious wishes go out to you to comfort you down there. In the meantime, can I please suggest to you to stop attacking others and disparaging MJ’s good name and to try to use facts to base your false conclusions upon.

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  95. lynande51 permalink
    March 1, 2013 1:28 am

    Going back to Jan Corey I see that her first comment about a video is from September 18th of 2011 just prior to the opening statements in Conrad Murrays trial. No need for further communication with Jan Corey. Conrad Murray is in jail, just where he belongs.If you click on see older comments you can find them and the date that they were posted. I don’t like to accuse anyone of being a troll but she was then and it seems she still is.

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  96. March 1, 2013 12:57 am

    They tortured Michael to death. And murrays medines just added to his distress.Apprpropriate point about the benzodiasepines and then theFlumazepin that caused neulogical problems as well.Trying to wean Michael from propofol,how silly,really
    such an incompetent a// for a doc..And all along it looked that AEG was not i a hurry with the many practical components of the 50 shows.Hopping back and forth to Michaels home, or constantly calling him, maybe spying on his whereabouts as well.They had well prepared themselves for the final result!For them a win..win situation.

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  97. lynande51 permalink
    March 1, 2013 12:34 am

    Sorry for the typo Jan Corey. THe same Jan Corey that started commenting on this post in Oct, 2011 in the midst of the Conrad Murray trial saying then the Michael videotaped admitting that he was a drug addict. That video never materialized either did it.

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  98. lynande51 permalink
    February 28, 2013 10:45 pm

    @Jan Cprey
    The question was where was a stethescope not where were the oxygen tanks. Stethescopes hang around a doctors or nurses neck and they auscillate the torso cavity. What is it that was in containers? I think you answered any questions we might have about you because your answer didn’t make any sense about drug addiction and where Michael confessed to it. Provide us with the links so we can be just as knowledgeable as you are then we can have an actual discussion about drug addiction otherwise I will just give you my short answer. No he was not an addict as you think of as an addict.

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  99. February 28, 2013 8:51 pm

    Here is a letter from someone present at rehearsals which testifies to the style of AEG’s interaction with Michael and the tone they chose for talking with him. It was published before but is worth repeating, I think. One of the main reasons why Michael was missing rehearsals and was so stressed was that AEG was slow and the concerts were absolutely not ready. Actually Randy Phillips himself said that they had not started until April (which was too late for a project like that!).

    The information comes from an anonymous source but this person surely knows what he is talking about:

    Yesterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I’ve seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.
    He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me “hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say.”
    However, at the same time he told me to “share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known.”
    He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.
    Here’s the most important things he told me:

    – Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these rehearsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.

    Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he “had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal” therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael’s house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was “Michael is not feeling well today,” “Michael rehearsed at home” or “Michael is rehearsing with his vocal coach.”
    At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always made sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then they would pass it around to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.

    -Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, “look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them.” According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him “you have to understand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different.” He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.

    Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her “well, he has to wear them!”

    -This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone knew it. He asked me the following “when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?” I said “yes, of course” to which he replied “so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?” He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was “pathetic” @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.

    The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never rehearsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.

    He also confirmed that they never had a full rehearsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were also very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours originally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.

    Also, they never rehearsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never rehearsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.

    -For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was “wrong” and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while rehearsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said “don’t expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won’t and I can’t.” He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
    However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said “he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening.”
    Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

    -Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more.

    He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.

    -The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend rehearsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.

    This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out.

    He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because there was simply not enough time to accomplish all they had planned.

    He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because “he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exactly what to do” but everything else around was not ready.

    He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviously not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone.

    Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.

    According to him, if the concerts were not going to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themselves and their lack of timing skills.

    Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.
    A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don’t forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.

    This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
    Source : Mrfuture@Kop Board

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  100. February 28, 2013 8:25 pm

    “What he showed were signs of having too much flumazenil too fast. Flumazenil is the antidote for benzidiazepine toxicity and if you give too much too fast you will have neurological side effects like Michael had. So in essence they did cause the illness as well.” – Lynande51

    Very interesting. And benzidiazepines were the drugs pressed on Michael by Murray. So Michael’s condition which terrified Ortega so much on June 19 was the result of Murray’s “treatment”. And everyone assumed that it was “drugs” taken by Michael though he did not even want those benzidiazepines as they were useless for sleep anyway.

    Michael said to Murray on the night he died: “They think I am a machine.” AEG treated him as a machine or a commodity, and not as a human being. And all the answers AEG’s lawyers give now testify to the same. Disgusting.

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  101. February 28, 2013 8:09 pm

    “The contract that Michael had with AEG clearly shows that he DID NOT have to attend a rehearsal, yet they were all over there “playng tough love”. – Lynande

    This is one of the crucial points. The contract says that Michael’s obligation (and the ArtistCo’s obligation) was to ensure the Artist’s first class performance during the show and not at rehearsals. It did not say a word about how often he should attend rehearsals and what he was to do there.

    For all we know he could be practising at home at the time which suited him most and then could just sit, look and direct the rehearsal. He was a co-director of the show (like Ortega) and its sole producer as he was to cover all production expenses. AEG was spending and Michael was to cover it all, and it was only much later that someone on his side was to check up the bills (I can imagine it).

    AEG had no rights to demand anything of Michael, let alone playing “tough love” on him.

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  102. JanCorey permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:51 pm

    One was noted by police investigators in MJ’s bedroom, another in three different bathrooms, two in his “personal” closet and two unopened containers brand new in two of the pantries of the home. Sounds like that issue was pretty well covered by the looks of things, but still an excellent inquiry.

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  103. February 28, 2013 6:42 pm

    Michael also suffered from bronchiolitis.This was not cause for death. Possibly had to do with lupus or allergy. Anyway it taxed his strength to some degree. Did murray ever put a stethoscope on Michaels chest to chech on his lungcondition. Where was that stetoscope kept. he must have had one somewhere.

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  104. lynande51 permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:01 pm

    ANd the illness that Michael displayed that day that Kenny Ortega was talking about in his email is a direct result of their conversation with Murray. They told him to do whatever it took to get him to rehearsals. Well Murray did and what he was suffering from that day was because of a “near miss” as David Walgren put it. What he showed were signs of having too much flumazenil too fast. Flumazenil is the antidote for benzidiazepine toxicity and if you give too much too fast you will have neurological side effects like Michael had. So in essence they did cause the illness as well.

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  105. lynande51 permalink
    February 28, 2013 5:54 pm

    If Randy Phillips and AEG were not “chosen” by Michael to be his “sobriety coaches” then why did they exhibit the behavior of one? They were the senders of those emails, they talked with Murray and they agreed without conscience to allow Murray ” to do whatever it took” to get Michael to rehearsals and through the shows.
    The contract that Michael had with AEG clearly shows that he DID NOT have to attend a rehearsal, yet they were all over there “playng tough love”. So they did take on the role of “sobriety coach” when they misrepresented what would happen to him if he did not go.There is the threat and there is the responsibility.

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  106. February 28, 2013 2:44 pm

    “The tone here is incredible. They show their true face.”

    Susanne, the tone is indeed incredible. And is not only here but in the official reply they initially gave to Katherine Jackson – over there it is almost the same style and the same insolence.

    The most terrible thing of all is that it could be the way they talked to Michael Jackson too, which is why he was getting more nervous and intimidated with each new day.

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  107. February 28, 2013 1:32 pm

    Quote: ” “The most important thing to note is that Michael Jackson asked AEG Live to be his concert promoter, not his sobriety coach. AEG never assumed a duty to protect Michael Jackson from his longstanding private demons or from his longtime doctor,” lead defense attorney Marvin Putnam, a Los Angeles partner at O’Melveny & Myers, wrote in an e-mail to The National Law Journal. ”

    The tone here is incredible. They show their true face.

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  108. February 28, 2013 12:13 pm

    “Without Michael’s contribution it would be 0, nothing. Still there are listed some 10 producers and others to benefit from the income it brought. How much did Michael or his Estate get?” – kaarin

    As far as I know AEG not only sold the footage which probably never even belonged to them (the rehearsal footage usually belongs to the performer and Ortega even said that it was made for Michael’s home library), but after selling it they also received part of the proceeds from the “This is it” documentary. They were behaving in so mercanary a manner that it is simply incredible.

    It is the same as selling a rough diamond which is not theirs, and when it is cut and turned into a precious jewel by others, they share the profit over its sale once again.

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  109. February 28, 2013 10:51 am

    Then it was the movie TII that originally was Michael videotaping his own performances as was usual for him to do. It was made to a commercial movie and had considerable success.
    Without Michael’s contribution it would be 0, nothing. Still there are listed some 10 producers and others to benefit from the income it brought. How much did Michael or his Estate get?

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  110. February 28, 2013 10:40 am

    I recently received a medical e.mail from a highly regarded medical post about the 10 worst mistakes doctors make. Among them was, Texting, receiving and reading texts, and especially bad – attending to private social media. All of which Murray was guilty of while Michael was getting iv Propofol. And that is what killed him. Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and ? Thome made 2 visits to Michael the week before his death. Tough love style. This to someone who already was under stress and did not need to rehearse q day. Kenny O wrote to Randy Phillips about this, but to no avail. At the time vid.s saw Randy P. smiling and stating he will throw Michael over his shoulder and carry him onto the stage. At the Murray trial he had his facial expression in a completely different manner. Murray was told to comply to Randy Phillips of AEG which he did and so did Murray which he should not have done. It is right that he is imprisoned and he should never ever get a medical license again.

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  111. February 28, 2013 9:27 am

    JanCorey: “I’m just a bit stuck on the facts of MJ’s admissions that he was a drug addict for decades, at least according to MJ”.
    Lynande51: “I don’t remember him admitting that if you could show me an example of him saying that if you would please.”
    JanCorey: “it’s all over the internet if you look in the right places, many are secured-sites after the lawsuits lost by the Jacksons recently though.”

    JanCorey, so it is we who need to find facts to prove your point you are “a bit stuck on”? May I provide you with a definition of a troll instead?

    “A Troll is a person who just loves to waste the time of other people on a newsgroup, group, or other Internet Forum. A troll tells people to do this or do that, to go yonder, etc. because they are too good to do the work themselves. Never will a troll put any effort into their replies. And, if you actually believe these people you will end up wasting a considerable amount of time going on a wild goose chase.http://johnhgohde.wordpress.com/definition-of-an-internet-troll/

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  112. JanCorey permalink
    February 28, 2013 8:28 am

    Sure lynande51, it’s all over the internet if you look in the right places, many are secured-sites after the lawsuits lost by the Jacksons recently though. Sure miss MJ, my, how time passes by so quickly.

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  113. lynande51 permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:40 am

    I don’t remember him admitting that if you could show me an example of him saying that if you would please.

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  114. JanCorey permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:20 am

    Great information lynande51, I’m just a bit stuck on the facts of MJ’s admissions that he was a drug addict for decades, at least according to MJ.

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  115. lynande51 permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:16 am

    @ Jan Corey
    The court documents that we have about Michael hiring Murray is information from Murray and AEG. Neither of which are to be believed.
    Michael never said he was an addict. He said in his 1993 statement from Neverland that he was being treated for a dependency on prescription pain killers that originated from a recent reconstructive surgery on his scalp. So you are wrong when you say he ” admitted” himself that he was an addict.
    He was not as you like to describe him an addict in the way that you are thinking. Having a dependency on prescription pain killers and being an addict are two entirely different things. Michael became dependent off and on throughout his adult life on these pain killers when they were prescribed as a doctor ordered because everyone that takes an opiate for pain over a period of time becomes dependent on them like it or not and the must be treated for it.
    Then there is the fact that in spite of what Murray and his legal team said Michael was not getting sufficient amounts of Demerol at the time for him to be considered an addict. Even their own expert said that on the stand.

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  116. JanCorey permalink
    February 28, 2013 3:59 am

    According to the court documents, MJ hired Murray because Murrey would do what MJ wanted. Drug addicts do things like that, there are thousands of stories like that. And, I agree, MJ died, unfortunately, only because he acted like the drug addict MJ said he was ever since the hair-fire, remember? Sure do miss MJ, just wish he got the help he needed sooner.

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  117. February 28, 2013 12:56 am

    Here is an article of February 19, 2013 about the situation with AEG.

    On many occasions the AEG is simply lying – about Murray answerable to Michael (in reality he was answerable to AEG who hired him), about Tim Leiweke, the AEG president, who allegedly didn’t know about the medical matters (their lawyer Kathy Jorie admitted at Murray’s trial that it was Tim Leiweke who sent her the list of the medical equipment required for Michael). We also learn from this article – for the first time! – that AEG advanced to Conrad Murray $150,000:

    Tim Leiweke TIM LEIWEKE

    Michael Jackson’s concert promoter: We weren’t his ‘sobriety coach’
    By*Amanda Bronstad*Contact*All Articles*
    The National Law Journal
    February 19, 2013

    Efforts by Michael Jackson’s mother and children to pin at least a portion of the blame for the singer’s 2009 death on the promoters of his planned comeback tour will come to a head in a courtroom next week.

    Los Angeles County, Calif., Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos was scheduled to consider defense motions for summary judgment on February 25, ahead of an April 2 trial date. Jackson died on June 25, 2009, days before he was scheduled to start the This Is It tour in London. He was 50 years old.

    Katherine Jackson and Michael Jackson’s three children have accused AEG Live LLC of negligence and breach of contract in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician who was convicted of manslaughter for administering the singer a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to treat insomnia. They also accuse AEG Live of valuing profits over the singer’s health, forcing him to maintain a “grueling” rehearsal schedule despite knowing that he was ill in the days before his death.

    In addition to AEG Live, the suit names its parent corporation, Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc., and its president and chief executive officer, Timothy Leiweke; AEG Live president and chief executive officer Brandon “Randy” Phillips; and AEG Live co-CEO Paul Gongaware.

    In summary judgment motions filed last fall, the defendants moved to dismiss the allegations, arguing that none of them had a “special relationship” with Jackson that required them to protect the singer from his doctor — and that, in any event, no one could have foreseen that Murray would kill his own patient. They added that they hadn’t hired Murray, even though AEG Live agreed to advance his fee of $150,000 per month.

    Anschutz Entertainment Group and Leiweke argued that they never had any relationship with Jackson at all.

    “The most important thing to note is that Michael Jackson asked AEG Live to be his concert promoter, not his sobriety coach. AEG never assumed a duty to protect Michael Jackson from his longstanding private demons or from his longtime doctor,” lead defense attorney Marvin Putnam, a Los Angeles partner at O’Melveny & Myers, wrote in an e-mail to The National Law Journal.

    “AEG Live was Michael Jackson’s concert promoter. Period. As a result of that, AEG Live and Michael Jackson had professional and financial ties. But AEG Live never assumed any duties whatsoever with respect to Michael Jackson’s healthcare.”
    Kevin Boyle of Panish Shea & Boyle in Los Angeles, lead counsel for the plaintiffs, declined to comment.

    WHO HIRED DOCTOR?

    Murray was found guilty in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter and is serving a prison term of four years. The summary judgment arguments involve the legal obligations and relationships between AEG and Jackson.

    “At the time of his death, Michael Jackson was under the immediate care of a doctor selected by, hired by, and controlled by AEG; indeed AEG demanded and required that Michael Jackson be treated by this particular doctor to ensure that Michael Jackson would attend all rehearsals and shows on the tour,” Jackson’s heirs wrote in their first amended complaint, filed on March 26, 2012. “AEG had an employment contract with this doctor that, among other benefits, paid him $150,000 per month with his sole and exclusive job being to make sure Michael Jackson got to rehearsals and shows.”

    The relationship began with a January 26, 2009, tour contract between AEG Live and Jackson, according to the complaint. AEG then allegedly retained Murray, promising to pay for any medical equipment, supplies, treatments or assistants necessary to making sure the singer made it to rehearsals. Jackson, who was in substantial debt at the time, was in “no condition to say no to AEG,” they wrote.

    “AEG knew or should have known that it was jeopardizing Jackson’s health and safety by assuming control over the doctor-patient relationship between Jackson and Murray, and by directing and influencing Murray to act without regard to medical safety standards,” the complaint alleged.

    In his email, Putnam emphasized that AEG had not employed Murray, who was Jackson’s longtime physician. He added that Jackson, not AEG, directed Murray’s actions.

    “Needless to say, nobody from AEG Live had any idea what Dr. Murray and Michael Jackson were doing in Michael Jackson’s bedroom at night,” he wrote. “That was between Dr. Conrad Murray and his patient Michael Jackson.”

    In their summary judgment motions, the defendants denied they were under any duty of care to protect Jackson. Anschutz Entertainment Group and Leiweke added that they had no connection with Jackson and were never parties to the contract between Jackson and AEG Live.

    “The only connection between Jackson’s death and defendants is that he was preparing for a tour produced by defendant AEG Live at the time he passed away. Despite two years of discovery in which defendants produced hundreds of thousands of documents, plaintiffs still have no evidence to support the wild allegations in their amended complaint,” Putnam wrote in one of the summary judgment motions.

    The defendants denied that they financially pressured Jackson into going to rehearsals despite his ill health. Although AEG advanced Murray’s monthly fee, Jackson was responsible for paying his salary, they wrote.

    Furthermore, a draft contract between Murray and AEG was never executed before Jackson’s death.

    “Jackson, an intelligent adult who plaintiffs concede was capable of managing his own business affairs, voluntarily entered the Agreement on January 26, 2009,” Putnam wrote in the motion. “That Jackson felt pressure to work to meet his financial needs makes his situation no different from that of most Americans.”

    THE FIGHT OVER DOCUMENTS

    During next week’s hearing, Palazuelos may rule on whether to seal a range of documents related to the summary judgment motions. Many of documents in the case have remained confidential, having been filed provisionally under seal under a protective order issued by Palazuelos on January 11, 2012. For example, only a redacted portion of the defense summary judgment motion has been made public. The documents the defense wants to seal involve details of Jackson’s health, including medical items found at his Beverly Hills, Calif., house following his death; personal, business and other confidential information provided by Kenneth Ortega, director of the tour; and confidential and private discussions among the tour’s producers and directors. The defense also wants to seal documents provided by the Los Angeles County district attorney’s office, which prosecuted Murray.

    Jackson’s heirs, in a February 8 court document, noted that the defendants have earmarked 90 percent of the discovery material as confidential; the First Amendment, they wrote, imposes a high burden to seal so much of the case.

    They opposed the sealing of any documents except depositions from medical professionals discussing Jackson’s health or his medical records. They also opposed the sealing of internal emails and other communications among the AEG defendants and other parties to the case who had no knowledge of Jackson’s medical condition.

    This actually is the second fight over confidential documents in the case. On September 2, a report in the Los Angeles Times cited hundreds of pages of confidential emails among the defendants indicating that AEG executives had pressed ahead with rehearsals despite serious concerns about Jackson’s mental and physical health. Lloyd’s of London, which had sued AEG for failing to disclose Jackson’s drug use when taking out an insurance policy on the pop star, dropped the concert promoter from the case after the company abandoned its $17.5 million claim against that policy.

    The defendants moved for sanctions against the plaintiffs’ attorneys, accusing them of leaking those documents in violation of the protective order. The defendants sought sanctions of $50,000, plus $1,500 to be paid to the court and an order excluding any document related to the leak.

    The plaintiffs’ attorneys targeted by the sanctions motion were Boyle and fellow attorneys Brian Panish, Peter Polos, Robert Glassman and Jennifer Farrell at Panish Shea & Boyle; K.C. Maxwell of the Law Office of K.C. Maxwell in San Francisco; Michael Koskoff and Bill Bloss at Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder, a personal injury firm in Bridgeport, Conn.; Perry Sanders Jr. of the Sanders Law Firm, a personal injury shop in Lake Charles, La.; and Sandra Ribera at San Francisco’s Ribera Law Firm, also specializing in personal injury. The plaintiffs’ attorneys insisted that they had not provided the leaked documents.

    On November 5, Palazuelos denied the sanctions order, ruling that the defendants hadn’t provided evidence sufficient to prove a willful violation of the protective order. But on February 13, she ordered that those documents remain sealed.

    http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202588802957&Michael_Jacksons_concert_promoter_We_werent_his_sobriety_coach&slreturn=20130127153213

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  118. February 27, 2013 11:45 pm

    “I totally agree with you Helena”

    JanCorey, you don’t agree with me and I am not asking for it.

    “like the Experts say, once a drug-addict, always a drug-addict”

    I hear that it is true because the inner biochemistry changes even after the first dosages of a narcotic. But some people live up to the word “drug-addict” while others do not. Michael did not live up to it.

    “MJ lost his own battle”

    No, he didn’t. He was simply killed. Michael wasn’t addicted to propofol as it does not form an addiction like Demerol does, and it is not a narcotic. It is given to all people in hospitals now and nobody dies.

    If Conrad Murray had not left him unattended Michael would be alive now. Murray simply poured propofol into Michael without any dosage equipment, as if it were some vitamin. In fact even vitamins require dosage, not to mention such a highly potent anesthetic as propofol.

    If the surgeon leaves the patient unattended for an hour on the operation table and he dies, no one will say that the patient “lost his own battle”. They will simply call the surgeon a criminal doctor and that’s it. However when Conrad Murray leaves Michael for an hour on IV and talks on the phone even without looking, for some reason it is Michael who becomes responsible for it.

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  119. JanCorey permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:33 pm

    I totally agree with you Helena, like the Experts say, once a drug-addict, always a drug-addict, one day at a time for them and relapses are usually a constant battle and MJ lost his own battle.

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  120. February 27, 2013 11:13 pm

    “Even MJ said he was a drug addict so that sums it up quite well for me.” – janCorey

    He used to be a drug addict and openly talked about his problem naming the reason how it started (the hair burn). Now we know that it was not only the burn but the baloon put under his skin to stretch it which took a very long time and much suffering, but was ineffective.

    Yes, Michael had the problem but managed to overcome it. Very few people are able to. Moreover very few people will confess it so openly and fight it so valiantly.

    The fact that he beat his habit and was clean of narcotics in the last years of his life is one of his greatest achievements and should be regarded as such. Most people cannot give up even smoking, not to mention things like a highly addictive Demerol.

    There are actually few people like that. One of them is Winfrey Oprah who, as I’ve read, overcame her addiction to cocaine which afflicted her for many years. She did beat it and deserves only praise for it. However technically you can also call her a drug addict.

    If she dies in an accident (for example) will you sum up her as a drug addict too?

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  121. JanCorey permalink
    February 27, 2013 4:36 am

    Even MJ said he was a drug addict so that sums it up quite well for me.

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  122. JanCorey permalink
    February 27, 2013 12:13 am

    Good points Helena, when I said MJ was a drug addict, I was just going by what the court records still do reveal. See, I thought MJ took drugs to help him sleep and that is covered under a doctor’s rationale as a drug addict from what many Experts claim. Just a sad thing he passed away so soon. Not so sure having drugs around, any drugs, is really a good thing. Back in the old days when people didn’t have any drugs, life was much dimplier and predictable from what is documented.

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  123. February 26, 2013 9:26 pm

    “I agree, if MJ had not been a drug addict, he would be alive today.” – Jan Corey

    In my humble opinion a drug addict means a person who 1) takes narcotics and 2) does it for recreationg purposes. If he takes something else and not for recreation purposes he is not considered a drug-addict – he is simply taking medicine as prescribed.

    In fact if people do not take medicine prescribed to them they are even reprimanded by doctors for breaking their instructions. For example, Michael Jackson was unable to refuse all that Lorazepam and other medicine of that type Conrad Murray was injecting him. Michael knew that they would not help his insomnia but he had to agree as Murray thought it a must.

    If a person takes some medicine for his insomnia given to him by a doctor (even if this medicine is an unconventional one) it is the same as your father, mother, friends, colleagues, etc. taking some medicine for their heart condition, for example. Following your logic however, all these people should be considered drug addicts.

    I am sure that your parents are taking some medicine for their health and do it on a regular basis too. It means that you JanCorey, also have “drug addicts” in your family. My congratulations to you.

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  124. JanCorey permalink
    February 26, 2013 8:36 pm

    I agree, if MJ had not been a drug addict, he would be alive today.

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  125. February 26, 2013 7:57 pm

    “If the lawsuit cites “fragile health” that can also include psychological health. There is no way out for AEG at this point. They should settle out of court while they can.” – Lynande51

    I think that no amount of money can compensate to Katherine and the three children for the loss of Michael. Let there be a trial instead. It has been set for April. In March Conrad Murray will be deposed.

    Jackson kids’ lawsuit in dad’s death cleared for trial
    By Alan Duke, CNN
    updated 4:19 PM EST, Mon February 25, 2013

    Los Angeles (CNN) — The lawsuit filed by Michael Jackson’s three children and mother that accuses a concert promoter of contributing to the pop icon’s death can go to trial, a Los Angeles judge tentatively ruled Monday.

    The trial for the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG Live, filed by Jackson matriarch Katherine Jackson and his children, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson, is set for April. A final order on Monday’s decision has not been issued yet.

    The judge has ordered Dr. Conrad Murray, who the suit contends was hired and supervised by AEG Live executives, to meet with Jackson lawyers next month for a deposition. Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s 2009 death.

    The judge’s decision would allow the suit to move ahead on the contention that AEG Live was negligent in hiring Murray.

    Murray was working as Jackson’s full-time personal physician as the star prepared for his 2009 comeback concerts promoted by AEG Live.

    Murray lawyer Valerie Wass said she would advise Murray to invoke his Fifth Amendment right to not answer questions.

    “But Dr. Murray has a mind of his own,” Wass said. “If he decided to answer a question, those parties don’t know what he’s going to say.”

    Murray’s video-recorded deposition is set to take place on March 18 in the Los Angeles County Jail where he has been serving a four-year prison sentence since November 2011. He could be released on parole later this year.

    Murray has never been questioned under oath about Jackson’s death. He did not testify at his own trial that ended with his conviction in November 2011.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/showbiz/jackson-wrongful-death-suit/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_showbiz+%28RSS%3A+Entertainment%29&cid=sf_twitter

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  126. February 24, 2013 11:25 am

    “No they have not taken any forms of it out. They did add a subtype called hebephilia which is a preference to pubescent children.” – lynande51

    It is absolutely great that they didn’t take anything out of the psychiatric manual and ped-lia is still recorded as a mental disease. I didn’t know how to look at the fact that they singled out hebephilia out of the whole concept, but after reading lots of materials tend to think that the mere statement of it there is good.

    However the manual will be finally approved only in May 2013, so before that we can expect a most fierce fight on the part of a pro-pedophilia academic lobby. I’ve spent the last three days studying them and now can assert with more confidence than ever that this lobby does exist, is extremely active, insolent and bold. I will probably write about it as protecting children from these monsters is our top priority.

    Michael saw children as the image of God and would want us to fight monsters to defend the right of children to an innocent childhood.

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  127. lynande51 permalink
    February 23, 2013 9:50 am

    No they have not taken any forms of it out. They did add a subtype called hebephilia which is a preference to pubescent children.

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  128. February 22, 2013 11:35 pm

    Helena, I hava not yet ordered the DSM5,inthe previous edition p.–lia is listed under paraphilias,p–lia is nr,302.2 and on page 571-572, 1page +3/4 pages on it. It is really too long for a lousy typist like me to copy. I doubt very much that it is removed.They do make a separartion between illnesses and disorders.This does not mean that one category is less severe than the other. As I told you I have a few problems ,one is with my computer. I may try yo find out re DSN5.and that dg,

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  129. February 22, 2013 11:13 pm

    “And things are changing here. IF a person is addicted to prescription drug it is the prescriber that is responsible” – lynande51

    Happy to hear it. I think that it is the only correct approach.

    Lynette, since you know all the latest developments with the US Psychiatric Association’s manual for psychiatric deseases (or whatever it is called) can you tell me – is it true that pedophilia or at least some forms of it have been taken out of it and are no longer regarded as deviations? Dr. Reisman is writing that these changes have already taken place. I am very worried that this is indeed the case.

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  130. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:33 am

    And things are changing here. IF a person is addicted to prescription drug it is the prescriber that is responsible. If he was using street drug it might be different but he wasn’t so they don’t want to go there. Michael was not responsible for his addiction if he was addicted it was the doctors that made the drugs available to him. Addiction to things like prescription pain killers is now a legitimate illness and it should have been treated approporiately if he had it. There is no way out no matter what excuse they try to use now.

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  131. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:29 am

    If the lawsuit cites “fragile health” that can also include psychological health. If he was frightened by Randy Phillips and company that he would lose his catalogue that should be a slam dunk. Telling someone like Michael that they would own him would definitely cause him what is known as emotional distress and increase his inability to sleep. Then telling Murray that he was responsible for Michael getting to the rehearsals was like putting a gun in his hand.Oh and by the way if he was or ever was addicted that is considered fragile health now too. There is no way out for AEG at this point. They should settle out of court while they can.

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  132. JanCorey permalink
    February 22, 2013 4:38 am

    Will the concert promoters be allowed to cite or claim that MJ was a drug addict and died of his own doing?

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  133. February 22, 2013 12:18 am

    The news I’ve just received on Facebook:

    Conrad Murray ordered to meet with Katherine Jackson’s lawyers
    By Alan Duke, CNN
    updated 1:47 PM EST, Thu February 21, 2013

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Jackson lawyers can question Conrad Murray about Michael Jackson’s death, judge says
    Murray’s lawyer says she will advise him to use his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent
    “But Dr. Murray has a mind of his own,”lawyer Valerie Wass says.
    Michael Jackson’s mother and children are suing concert promoter AEG Live

    Los Angeles (CNN) — A judge has ordered Dr. Conrad Murray to meet with Katherine Jackson’s lawyers next month for a deposition in her wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter AEG Live.

    The lawsuit, which is set for trial in April, accuses AEG Live of causing the death of Katherine Jackson’s son, Michael Jackson, by pressuring him to prepare for his 2009 comeback concerts while he was in fragile health.

    The suit, filed on behalf of Michael Jackson’s mother and three children, says that AEG Live executives hired and supervised Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s death.

    Murray lawyer Valerie Wass, who unsuccessfully objected to the deposition, said the decision disappointed her. Wass said she would advise Murray to invoke his Fifth Amendment right to not answer questions.

    “But Dr. Murray has a mind of his own,” Wass said. “If he decided to answer a question, those parties don’t know what he’s going to say.”

    The videotaped deposition is set to take place on March 18 in the Los Angeles County jail where Murray has been serving his sentence since November 2011.

    Murray, who was the pop superstar’s personal physician, has never been questioned under oath about Jackson’s death. He did not testify at his trial.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/justice/conrad-murray-deposition/index.html

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  134. Susannerb permalink*
    February 2, 2013 5:18 pm

    Thanks, Helena. I also doubt that the allegations against Metzger are true.

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  135. February 2, 2013 3:48 pm

    Here is one more update. If the information below is correct Katherine would like Murray to testify in her lawsuit against AEG:

    Katherine Jackson – Katherine Jackson needs evidence from Conrad Murray
    21 January 2013

    Katherine Jackson wants Conrad Murray to give evidence in court.

    Michael Jackson’s mother needs the jailed doctor to testify in her wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, in a bid to prove the company negligently hired Murray – who is serving a four-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter for inadvertently supplying the dose of anaesthetic Propofol that killed the King of Pop in June 2009 – and failed to supervise him.

    According to gossip website TMZ, the showbiz matriarch needs Murray on the record to prove AEG hired him, but the disgraced doctor is refusing to co-operate.
    His lawyers Valerie Wass and J. Michael Flanagan are trying to make the order invalid on technical grounds.
    This comes just weeks after the physician launched a second appeal over his conviction for manslaughter.

    Murray wants to leave prison and serve the rest of his sentence under house arrest as he believes he is not a threat to the community or a flight risk since he has a young child who lives in Los Angeles. His first attempt at appeal was denied last autumn.
    Moreover, he is still insisting he has been wrongly convicted for Michael’s death and is allegedly passing his time in his prison cell by writing a ”tell-all” book about his time with ‘Thriller’ hitmaker.
    A source recently commented: ”Dr. Murray spends most of his days writing what he is telling friends will be a tell-all book about what really happened in the final days of Michael Jackson’s life.
    ”Murray believes that the public will want to hear about the time he spent with Michael.”
    http://www.contactmusic.com/news/katherine-jackson-needs-evidence-from-conrad-murray_3460635

    It is interesting that ten days after this news Murray’s defense attorney M.Flanagan refused to represent his former client (Ed Chernoff refused to do it much earlier). Attorney Michael Flanagan

    It is also interesting that someone is trying to compromise Michael’s doctor Alan Metzger by suing him for sexual harassment. Well, I remember what Alan Metzgeris like and am very much doubtful.

    Conrad Murray Gets Dumped by Attorney
    Posted: 01/31/2013 09:15 AM EST

    By Clarissa Simpson

    It’s another day so that means there’s another story chronicling Conrad Murray’s drama-filled life behind bars. Radaronline is now reporting that his attorney Michael Flanagan has just jilted the disgraced former doctor of Michael Jackson.

    A source told Radaronline, “Flanagan will inform Murray during his next jailhouse visit that he will no longer be representing him.” The lawyer was repping Murray in his fight against the California Medical Board to get his medical license reinstated.

    Flanagan was also assisting Valerie Wass, his co-counsel, and Murray’s other attorney. Flanagan will now refer Murray to other attorneys that can help him with his case.

    Exactly one week ago, Flanagan and his son got into a jailhouse physical and verbal altercation with Wass while visiting Murray. Just days after that, a weeping voicemail message from Murray was leaked to the press. It’s now been reported that Murray’s girlfriend, Nicole Alvarez, was the source of that recording. She allegedly sold the voicemail message to a website so that she could pay her rent.

    In other King of Pop association news, Michael Jackson’s former doctor is being sued for sexual misconduct with a female patient. TMZ is reporting that Dr. Allen Metzger, who went on tour with Jackson and testified at Murray’s manslaughter trial, got inappropriate with a patient named Victoria Oliver.

    During one of Oliver’s 2010 medical visits she claims Metzger described her body as “delicious” after a physical exam. Then in 2012, the touchy feely doctor allegedly placed his hand under her blouse. Metzger then asked, “Why don’t we close the door and really have some fun?” He later snuck behind her and groped her breasts while pressing himself against her body.

    Oliver, who filed her lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court, is suing for unspecified damages. So far, Metzger has no comment on the matter.

    http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2013/02/01/conrad-murray-gets-dumped-by-attorney.html

    Dr. Allan Metzger testifies
    Dr. Alan Metzger

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  136. September 1, 2012 7:39 pm

    “The one thing that was enforced for me during the trial is that there are two things that corrupt absolutely: 1. Money, and 2. The lack thereof.”- Chernoff

    This is an interesting statement. The way I understand it “total lack of money corrupting absolutely” refers to Conrad Murray and means that a person in a situation like his will agree to anything for the sake of money. And “money that absolutely corrupts” evidently refers to big corporations which also cease to see people behind the figures of profit which is all they pursue.

    In this connection I recall Randy Phillips of AEG who said about increasing the number of concerts to 50 and Michael having to fulfill his obligations something like “What could I do? It is business, you know”. I also recall Michael saying to Murray when he came home the night he died: “They think I am a machine”.

    I also always wonder why AEG, when seeing so much demand for Michael’s concerts did not raise the price of tickets for a couple of additional concerts instead of adding 40 more concerts at the same ticket price? Sorry, I know it is not fair to the fans, but it is fair to Michael Jackson who deserved tickets to his concerts to be twice as high from the very beginning of it.

    Frankly, after reading how other promoters (like Marcel Avram) and other partners (like Fortress, etc.) treated Michael I am no longer surprised at seeing AEG’s ways – Michael was right, it seems that all of them are sharks, but I still cannot get over those so-called contract papers AEG prepared for Michael. So much disrespect, so much lack of goodwill, so much sheer exploitation.

    And speaking about Christians – AEG’s owner Philip Anschutz is said to be a devout Christian, which I for some reason even tend to believe. How could he???

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  137. September 1, 2012 6:46 pm

    Guys, unexpected news has come from Ed Chernoff. He left a comment in his blog and said the following:

    Posted By Ed Chernoff on Aug 17, 2012 11:26am PDT Leave a Comment

    What’s wrong with the Jacksons?

    I get asked every recent day about the drama surrounding the Jackson family. I’ve been told they are fighting. Over the kids, or something like that. People assume that I have some special insight into the family simply because I sat in the same courtroom with them for four weeks. The truth is, everything I know comes from what Dr. Murray revealed to me about conversations he had with Michael. (This is for Dr. Murray to reveal, when and if, he decides.)

    My interaction with the Jackson family was limited to stares and disdainful looks as we left the courtroom together. Joe Jackson, in particular, spent my entire closing argument contorting his face into an angry charicature. I think LaToya actually spoke to Michael Pena, my co-counsel, once. She wanted to know who he was. He responded by asking her who she was? I still get a kick out of that!

    The one thing that was enforced for me during the trial is that there are two things that corrupt absolutely: 1. Money, and 2. The lack thereof. I know that the Michael Jackson estate was awash in debt prior to his death, and immensely valuable at the time of the trial. I also know that neither Sony nor AEG, two billion dollar companies, was subjected to any of the necessary scrutiny that they deserved during the trial.

    Maybe one day, all will be revealed.

    http://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/Criminal-Defense-Blog/2012/August/Whats-wrong-with-the-Jacksons-.aspx

    I agree. Neither of the companies was subjected to the necessary scrutiny they deserved. I think that AEG should have been scrutinized in the very first place, but the court blocked every Chernoff’s attempt to ask any questions about AEG’s involvement. I wondered why they didn’t allow him. If it was done not to distract attention from Conrad Murray it is more or less okay, but it mostly looked like not letting anyone disclose the truth about AEG’s role in Michael Jackson’s death.

    Conrad Murray was guilty as hell and would have been convicted anyway, in my opinion, so learning a little truth about AEG would not have done any harm. A reader told me at the time that we would learn the whole truth during the civil trial, however now the future of this civil case is also questionable – so will there ever be a time for finding out the truth?

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  138. February 5, 2012 10:19 pm

    Wow…You did a great job…Thank you for putting the time and effort into this for us…One thing if I remember correctly…Didn’t the chief coroner investigator die too??? Flappy was trying to get that out when he was questioning the coroner investigator on the stand as she kept saying that she did not investigate that part of the house. Where is he? What happened to him? Is he on vacation? There was an objection and he was to change questioning…Everything around his death stinks. Thanks again.

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  139. lynande51 permalink
    November 20, 2011 7:02 am

    @Yvonne,I have one other thought for you.If they are insane and I am actually feeling compeled to comment what does that make me.Insulting words are just that.If you feel compeled to insult people this is not the place to do it.Might I suggest a visit to the Topix Michael Jackson forum.You will fit in better there.
    In the event you are interested in learning I first recommend that you read the blog Rules page.
    Thank you

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  140. Yvonne permalink
    November 20, 2011 6:53 am

    Wow. Scrolling through this page, I have 2 thoughts–

    1. You have an extraordinary amount of time on your hands.
    2. You are insane.

    In fact, I think if MJ were still alive, even he would tell you to get help.

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  141. October 10, 2011 3:18 am

    During the II World War my country was the leading user of heroin.It was
    even distributed pretty freely on the front.A cousin of my mother who was there stated” it was great;if you wanted to have a bit of good time you took it, if you could not sleep you took it” and so on.Still after the war there were hardly any opioid addicts, a couple of breaks into pharmacies.So”always an addict” is not so .And heroin is more potent than morphine, it has never been used medically and is highly addicting.

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  142. October 10, 2011 2:23 am

    To those who dare call Michael various names here is what the tape with Murray ends with:

    DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: DID YOU EVER – DID YOU EVER GIVE HIM DEMEROL?
    DR. MURRAY: NO.
    DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: OKAY.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: WE DIDN’T FIND ANY.
    DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: YEAH, WE DIDN’T FIND ANY. I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT CAME UP.

    Even the detectives don’ t know how that Demerol came up! It wasn’t found in the house, it wasn’t found in Michael’s blood, urine or whatever. But some people prefer to talk about it as if it were fact though it was literally non-existent.

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  143. October 10, 2011 1:14 am

    Guys, I have been able to read the transcript of Murray’s tape only now. It is totally amazing. Murray turned out even a worse liar than I ever expected. I think we will need to make a full post about this tape – only not now, as I am terribly behind schedule due to all the distraction here and my own technical problems.

    As an example of Murray’s outrageous lias let me draw your attention to at least one piece of it. You remember that Murray wanted to return to the house – apparently to take away his bags, don’t you?

    And now please have a look at how he explains the bags on the top shelf in one cupboards in the closet:

    DETECTIVE SMITH: WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THOSE SYRINGES WHEN YOU WERE DONE WITH THEM?
    DR. MURRAY: WELL, I USUALLY HAVE MY BAGS RIGHT THERE. EVERYTHING I USE, I WOULD PUT IT QUICKLY INTO THE BAGS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT IT INTO THE CUPBOARD, BECAUSE HE WANTED ME TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING HANGING AROUND.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: WHERE’S YOUR BAG WHERE THOSE SYRINGES WOULD BE AT NOW?
    MR. CHERNOFF: OH, REALLY?
    Dr. Murray: I DON’T HAVE THEM.
    MR. CHERNOFF: I THOUGHT YOU LEFT IT THERE.
    DR. MURRAY: YEAH, I DID.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: WHERE? WHERE DID YOU
    LEAVE IT?
    DR. MURRAY: IN THAT SAME BEDROOM, IN THE CLOSET, WHERE IT ALWAYS STAYS.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. WHICH CLOSET? IT’S A MESS.
    DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: IT’S 45 CUPBOARDS.
    DR. MURRAY: YEAH, IF YOU WALK INTO THE DRESSING ROOM AND YOU TURN RIGHT, THE HIGH LEVEL TOP, THE BAGS ARE RIGHT THERE WITH THE ITEMS IN IT AND THE MEDICATION.
    DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: IS THAT THE CLOSET THAT HAS THE GLASS CABINETS WITH HIS JACKETS?
    DR. MURRAY: YES. BUT THIS WILL BE TOO SHORT STUBS HIGHER UP THERE. HE SHOWED ME THAT CABINET. HE WANTED ME TO KEEP THE THINGS THERE WITH MY BAGS AND SO.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: AND THAT’S WHERE YOU LEFT YOUR BAGS THAT NIGHT?
    DR. MURRAY: YEAH.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: BLACK ATTACHE BAGS?
    DR. MURRAY: THREE BAGS. THERE WERE THREE. ONE IS A LITTLE COTSCO BLUE BAG. ONE IS A BLACK SMALL BAG. THE OTHER ONE IS A LITTLE BLUE BAG THAT HAS A ZIPPER AT THE TOP OF IT
    MR. PENA: AND YOU LEFT IT THERE BECAUSE YOU WENT DIRECTLY WITH THE E.M.T.’S TO THE HOSPITAL AND NEVER WENT BACK TO THE HOUSE; RIGHT?
    DR. MURRAY: OH, BUT – YEAH, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE STAYED THERE ANYWAY UNTIL I CAME BACK THE NEXT NIGHT AND HELP HIM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE I.V. CATHETERS AND EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.
    DETECTIVE SMITH: AND THAT WAS NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS FOR YOU. IT’S NOTHING –
    DR. MURRAY: YEAH.

    Let me draw your attention to a couple of things here:
    – Murray makes it clear to the detectives that it was his routine business to collect everything, put in the bags and leave them in the closet until “next time”
    – moreover he implies that he did it following Michael’s instructions

    But all this is an unspeakable lie!

    – firstly, those bags contained not just clean IV catheters, etc. but scrap papers, torn packaging and – what is most important – empty vials of lidocaine and propofol as well as used syringes containing both
    – no normal doctor will ever keep clean IV catheters and unused sterile medication with waste vials and used syringes picked up from the floor together with some dirty packaging
    – but what is crucial is that empty propofol vials and syringes containing propofol cannot be kept until “next time” because propofol deteriorates very quickly and after some 12 hours these open vials disseminate bacteria all over the place!

    One of the main requirements to handling propofol is to dispose of it as quickly as possible as you cannot leave those vials around!

    An added “advantage” for Murray in telling that lie is that this way he hoped no one would never know how much propofol was given to Michael that night – because it would be easy to explain it by saying that those vials had been kept there since some earlier time. However even if he claims that those vials were old, he is doubly culpable for doing everything in so anti-sanitation conditions!
    And what is absolutely outrageous is that he shifts all the blame for it onto the dead man!

    See the following for reference – microbial contamination associated with propofol may result in a sepsis and ultimate death of a patient:

    Propofol Injectable Emulsion 1%
    Contains a sulfite

    FOR IV ADMINISTRATION

    Strict aseptic technique must always be maintained during handling. Propofol injectable emulsion is a single-use parenteral product which contains sodium metabisulfite (0.25 mg/mL) to retard the rate of growth of microorganisms in the event of accidental extrinsic contamination. However, Propofol Injectable Emulsion can still support the growth of microorganisms as it is not an antimicrobially preserved product under usp standards. Accordingly, strict aseptic technique must still be adhered to. Do not use if contamination is suspected. Discard unused portions as directed within the required time limits (see DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION – Handling Procedures). There have been reports in which failure to use aseptic technique when handling Propofol injectable emulsion was associated with microbial contamination of the product and with fever, infection/sepsis, other life-threatening illness, and/or death.
    http://www.drugs.com/pro/propofol.html

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  144. Jan permalink
    October 10, 2011 1:10 am

    OK, thanks!

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  145. appleh permalink
    October 10, 2011 1:05 am

    @JanCorey,
    so why don´t you come with your so called “facts”. We are all curious to hear them !

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  146. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 11:05 pm

    Yes, V, he will be missed even by me. MJ was a hero to so many people in so many ways and a loss that occurred for any reason to be ohh-too-soon imo.

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  147. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 10:20 pm

    I am a huge MJ fan, but sorry for pointing out your errors. Facts so seem to scare some people who are not ready to deal with facts.

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  148. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 9:26 pm

    MJ’s family said it’s not about Conrad, but instead it is about a conspiracy to end MJ’s life. Is the family correct?

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  149. lcpledwards permalink
    October 9, 2011 7:58 pm

    @ Jan
    Sorry for the confusion! We weren’t talking about you, but of Jan Corey, the troll who has been harassing us for the last few days.

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  150. Suzy permalink
    October 9, 2011 7:58 pm

    @ Jan

    It’s not about you! It’s about a person posting under the name “JanCorey”. Look below!

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  151. Jan permalink
    October 9, 2011 7:55 pm

    Please do not accuse me of being a troll I work very hard on MJ behalf the only things I post are for people to be aware of that people are disrespecting MJ

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  152. October 9, 2011 7:42 pm

    “Any future comments by Jan or any other troll will be deleted.”

    David, I suggest we delete only in case these meaningless mantras continue. If some reasonable idea is suddenly voiced this can be left for a further study of what Michael’s detractors are up to. I am curious what else they can come up with.

    They know they are not welcome in this blog so if they receive harsh treatment here it will be them who are to blame. Actually this is what they always say about Michael – “he knew what he was getting into, so he is to blame”. They also know what they are getting into, so if they have to face the music it will be their fault.

    However there is a big difference between them and Michael. He was in a desperate situation and had no other way out, while these people have many options. One of them is scraping in their souls a little bit of human sympathy for an an insomniac who – despite total lack of sleep – had to rehearse every day due to AEG’s kindness and had to do 50 shows due to their whim.

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  153. lcpledwards permalink
    October 9, 2011 7:00 pm

    Guys,
    It obvious that Jan is just a troll who is here to cause trouble and distract us. He or she is demonstrating all of the usual tricks:

    1. Earning our trust by pretending to be a fan

    2. Giving short, terse answers that are devoid of any substance or cogency

    3. The biggest clue of all that he or she is a troll is his or her REFUSAL to answer our questions!

    So let’s ignore her from now on, but of course we’ll leave her current comments and our replies so future readers can see how to effectively respond to the “MJ got what he deserved because he’s a drug addict” nonsense. Any future comments by Jan or any other troll will be deleted.

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  154. Lynette permalink
    October 9, 2011 5:33 pm

    Actually I have replied to Jan and would like her to read my comment. It explains addiction and dependence to her and Michael’s addiction to opiates versus his death from another agent in this case propofol. Propofol does not and would not satisfy an addiction to opiates. I see when she returned that she chose not to comment on my information but rather just stated her misinformed opinion of Michaels Jackson’s medical ailments. I am not telling her to go away I am ready to refute her misinformation with correct information should she ask questions rather than just give a statement. It is then clear that it is only an opinion based on media reports and the media has a defined agenda in this case just like they do in the others that they report oon. I would also like her to give me a list of the experts that she quotes in her replies so I can research their research to see if it is the same as most recent literature in the field of addiction and treatment.

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  155. October 9, 2011 5:11 pm

    “He will be missed.”

    Yes, he will, but not by you, JanCorey. If you intend to go on with it here I suggest your cut on the ritual part of proclaiming yourself a fan and get down to your hater’s business at once. We don’t believe you anyway so there is no point in all these proclamations.

    What is expected of a fan or supporter or an advocate of Michael Jackson is understanding the man in the first place. You seem not to be able to do it in the least possible degree so please don’t flatter yourself to be a “fan”. You are definitely not.

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  156. October 9, 2011 4:57 pm

    “You sound like a troll.”

    Of course he is a troll. None of us is buying this “I’ve been a fan for years” business. All trolls start with the same opening tune and then go on with their boring and not too original routine.
    If this person indeed thinks himself to be a fan, all I can answer to that is a prayer to Lord that he rids Michael of such “fans”.

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  157. October 9, 2011 4:13 pm

    If MJ was not an addict, he likely would not be dead right now, plus, he was videoed saying he was an addict.

    So why didn’t he die from any of the drugs he was supposedly addicted to? Your argument is nonsensical and you seem to accept this but not care. It makes your original comment about how the DA had only proven he was an addict and wasted tax payers money and your subsequent inability to answer to all the other questions put forward to you simply obnoxious. You sound like a troll.

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  158. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 2:13 pm

    If MJ was not an addict, he likely would not be dead right now, plus, he was videoed saying he was an addict. Sounds about right to me. He will be missed.

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  159. October 9, 2011 11:50 am

    “MJ was an addict and is responsible for actions that are done by an addict whether good or bad. the reason for MJ’s death, imo, 90% Mj’s fault, 10% Conrad’s fault, imo.”

    MJ wasn’t an addict to Propofol and this is where you are twisting facts to the point of lying.

    He just wanted to sleep and it was all the same for him which medication would do it – be it propofol or an ordinary sleep aid.

    He had a major problem with insomnia and that’s the only thing which matters here. He could not sleep 24 hours a day and was supposed to rehearse (and give shows) in a condition like that.

    It is a doctor’s job to help his patient. If Murray was unable to help Michael he should have called a council of physicians and they should have decided what to do in such a situation.

    I do not rule out that on the basis of medical records which Murray should have kept (but didn’t which is a grave breach of medical practice on its own) and considering the circumstances of the forthcoming tour doctors would have arrived at the same decision that Michael COULD be administered propofol, but only in a hospital setting.

    After all a patient cannot be left alone to handle this grave problem without any medical help. If people are deprived of sleep for a long time the outcome can be fatal. Sleep deprivation is so awful a thing that it has been known to be used as a means of torture.

    Guys like you speak only of what Michael shouldn’t have done and keep silent about what Michael could have done in such a situation.

    You keep silent about it because you have nothing to say here.

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  160. Suzy permalink
    October 9, 2011 10:47 am

    For the life of me I cannot understand the argument that MJ was an addict and therefore Murray is innocent and should walk.

    @ JanCorey

    Even if you think MJ was an addict how does that exonerate Murray? Michael’s former addiction to painkillers doesn’t have anything to do with his death, since painkillers weren’t the things those killed him. Even if they were, that wouldn’t exonerate Murray. If Michael asked him for Propofol, as a responsible doctor he should have said no and sent him to a sleep clinic. If we had only ethical doctors in this world, that’s what would have happened and nobody had ever given Propofol to him and maybe he would have got proper treatment for his problem. But Murray chose not to be an ethical doctor, he chose to be a greedy one. On top of that he was negligent and he lied to the paramedics and ER doctors – so he didn’t do everything in his power to save Michael’s life.

    And you think he did nothing wrong?

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  161. Lynette permalink
    October 9, 2011 8:10 am

    Jan. as a medical professional I have to tell you that there was no indication that Michael’s previous addiction, which was to opiates, had been reactivated at the time of his death.That is evident in the autopsy report when no opiates were found You are not addicted to an opiate and chose propofol to to satisfy an addiction to opiates. They are not the same and do not work the same on the brain therefore they would not satisfy the addiction. Addiction is a brain disease and an addiction to a certain substance requires ingestion by some means of that particular substance. That means that it would have had to be found in his system actually in his blood to satisfy the addiction and it was not.
    A person cannot become addicted to propofol because it is not a medication it is a drug which is in the anesthesia class and is by all rights a type of poison. It goes into the blood stream and hits the brain in less than 40 seconds. It is completely metabolised in 10 minutes and has left the body.To make it simple it just does not stay in a tissue long enough to create the necessary changes to create an addiction. The only documented cases of propofol “addiction” are found in people that work in the medical field, have access to propofol and are actually suicides.
    More information on addiction is that in 1993 when Michael told the world he was addicted he was going by what that diagnosis was then.His diagnosis now may be that he was physically dependent on opiates for pain relief.In the 18 years since that time addiction treatment and pain control and treatment of this has advanced to the point where we now know that when you take an opiate it changes the brain.That happens to everyone that takes an opiate for pain, it is unavoidable. I do disagree with Helena when I say that opiates must be used in the treatment of severe pain like bone pain or end stage terminal illnesses as there is nothing else available to alleviate that type of pain. Opiates, like propofol have a purpose and can and should be used as intended.
    There is no indication at all, ever, for the use of propofol as a sleep aid as it does not produce sleep. Propofol produces unconciousness or a mild coma that is not sleep. Conrad Murray used this at his own suggestion from what I have heard from the comments from Dr. David Adam’s attorney. He used it in a setting of HIS suggestion and he used it without the proper monitoring equipment. That is Gross Negligence because he did it not to help Michael but to fill his bank account.It is Gross negligence because as I have stated before in my comments Doctors and Nurses have laws to abide by in their practice that go beyond the laws for laypersons. We are held not only to a higher standard but to another set of laws.Those are the laws that Conrad Murray broke.
    Dependency is what happens when a person takes opiates for this pain and the brain undergoes the inevitable changes. There are pain receptors in the brain and opiates in their action attach to these receptors. Once they are attached to those receptors those receptors “grow” and require more opiates to do the job of pain control. That is when dependency starts, the more opiates that are used the more opiates are needed by the brain and it grows to an addiction if it is not treated.
    If you would like to talk to someone about the facts of the case I will be happy to explain and define what it is that is confusing you. I can’t right now because I have to go to bed and get up for work in the morning. On Monday I will be free to discuss this with you futher if you like because I am also an expert in the field of addcition I work in it everyday.

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  162. October 9, 2011 6:13 am

    Even MJ’s family members have said it was a conspiracy and not a lone-Conrad.

    How does that even make sense with your belief that his death is entirely his fault? Seems like you just wish to blame anyone other than Murray. Also pretty amusing considering you claim you’re just here for facts and yet you’re willing to believe a conspiracy that none of the Jacksons can prove.

    It’s a shame the coroner created a verdict of “Homicide” and didn’t assign the 90% of blame to MJ the way you seem well informed enough to have given. I assume you know more than he does.

    MJ supplied all the money to continue his addiction, and that’s Conrad’s fault now?

    Money was involved? I guess you’re right. We should all just let rich people get away with whatever they want. If they want doctor’s to break ethics and their oath then it’s okay, because they did offer money.

    Oh but it’s worthless money when the DA decides to investigate a doctor behaving negligently and unethically so long as we already don’t like the patient to begin with.

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  163. paradais permalink
    October 9, 2011 5:51 am

    vindicatemj

    I have only just recently discovered this blog and I want to say I really appreciate the blog, the opinions and the information assembled here. Thank you! The information regarding AEG and others, eg Tohme, makes a lot of logical sense and certainly should not be dismissed at all, especially as counter-productive to the Murray case. I hope that it is able to be analysed as an integral part of the Murray trial and that there are no preconceived ideas at all, which appear to be rampant in the minds of many MJ fans, who without being aware of all the possible scenarios, seem hell-bent on getting Murray’s blood as atonement for everything that has been done to Michael,especially his death. It certainly looks like Murray has a case to answer, but I don’t believe, after reading your blog, that he is the only one with a case to answer.

    There are just too many unanswered questions as to why or how he could act alone tasked with the enormous responsibility of getting Michael over the line for any number of concerts, let alone when their number blew out of all proportion. AEG and Michael’s managers could still have achieved the profit outcomes with the same number of concerts, but increasing the price.

    Anyway, I hope these interesting details about the contract Murray had with AEG and the interactions with the insurance company, become common knowledge and that somehow they are explored further. Do you know if they are the subject of any other investigations currently? I see that Katherine’s attempts were unsuccessful, as she was out of time?

    Again, thanks for a wonderful blog.

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  164. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 5:01 am

    Teva, you are completely incorrect in both of your recent comments, is there a reason for that?

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  165. Teva permalink
    October 9, 2011 4:55 am

    The only reason you do not see the criminality is because the victim is Michael Jackson.

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  166. Teva permalink
    October 9, 2011 4:51 am

    @JanCorey

    Not GROSS negligence in your opinion?! That state is charging with 19 variations from the standard of care. How many in your opinion would make it GROSS negligence? 19.75?

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  167. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 4:46 am

    No, not gross negligence, imo. The reason they charged Conrad is to have a fall-guy, someone they can tag a crime to for MJ’s own addict-actions. I hope they do find Conrad guilty as charged, but don’t be surprised when Conrad only has to do a very short stretch of time incarcerated, if any. Even MJ’s family members have said it was a conspiracy and not a lone-Conrad. Facts and trial-results of this case may increase the mental health systems just like the Casey Anthony acquittal did.

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  168. Teva permalink
    October 9, 2011 4:32 am

    @JanCorey

    The reason why Dr. Conrad Murray is standing trial for the involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson is because his level of care met the state’s criminal requirements for GROSS negligence. Had this not been met this case would be a medical malpractice civil case. Bear in mind propofol is NOT a prescription drug, a doctor cannot write his/her patient a prescription for propofol; therefore, Michael Jackson cannot fill, or trick a doctor into giving him a prescription it is simply NOT possible. The fact that propofol was found in his home it could only have gotten there by a doctor; hence Conrad Murray. The pharmacist has testified that Dr. Murray ordered 40 gallons in total.

    Yes it is Dr. Conrad Murray’s fault because Michael Jackson cannot dictate his care to any physican. If I walk into my doctors office and said “Gee Dr. Mead, I can’t sleep can you treat me with anesthia?” I could tell you she is not going to order 40 gallons, or even a vial. A doctor is to administer the best care to their patient, regardless of the paycheck. If you have information beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael Jackson held a gun to Dr. Murrays head and force him to give him propofol, and he was not acting on his own volition please give that evidence to the state and stop this trial quickly.

    Next point, using the theory that Michael Jackson was addicted to prescription drugs makes Dr. Conrad Murray’s actions even worst. Since I would argue it was Murray who took advantage of him because he was not in a rational frame of mind.

    Either way Dr. Murray was the one who gave him anesthesia without any surgical reason. There is no getting past that, and he died as a result.

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  169. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 4:09 am

    Ares, I never said that. But, MJ was an addict and is responsible for actions that are done by an addict whether good or bad. the reason for MJ’s death, imo, 90% Mj’s fault, 10% Conrad’s fault, imo.

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  170. ares permalink
    October 9, 2011 3:46 am

    @JanCorey

    Are you even going to answer my question? Hello!!!! Or you simply don’t know how to answer rationally to a logic question? Pfff, you are so rude. You come here, you make question, we answer but you never respond to ours. That’s not fare,lady or sir.

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  171. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 3:35 am

    I am an MJ-fan myself and have been for years, even during his trials. My point was to only mention that MJ said he was an addict and the Experts claim that once one is an addict, they will always be an addict. MJ supplied all the money to continue his addiction, and that’s Conrad’s fault now?

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  172. Teva permalink
    October 9, 2011 3:18 am

    @JanCorey

    What is your point? You have come to a Michael Jackson fansite to inform us about what exactly? I am waiting.

    We are in the middle of an involuntary manslaughter trial which we are following with pinpoint accuracy, and do not have the energy for guessing. Please state where you are going with all this.

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  173. Teva permalink
    October 9, 2011 3:06 am

    “Looks like some people here missed the video of MJ saying he became an addict after his head caught on fire. I find it easier to just deal with the facts instead of speculation. MJ definately was a drunk addict.” – JAN COREY

    MISSED THE VIDEO?! Have you not met us? We miss nothing around here.

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  174. October 9, 2011 2:18 am

    “There is culpability here in this Conrad case of MJ himself, at least according to the analysis of the case so far.”

    This is an absolutely outrageous statement and you know that it is. A doctor gives the oath of Hippocrates, saying ” I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel” , which clearly implies that a desperate patient will go to extremes if he has become really desperate. According to this oath the doctor should refrain from doing his patient any harm no matter what. Moreover he is expected to alleviate his problem.

    Propofol is by the way not at all deadly if applied properly. Anesthesiologists say it is a beautiful drug – Dr. David Adams has put to sleep 16,000 people as his lawyer said and none of them died. So it is not so much the drug itself as the manner in which it was administered which is to blame here. If the doctor takes a decision to use some medication it is a doctor’s responsibility to administer it in full accordance with the necessary requirements. And since when have patients become responsible for what doctors do to them?

    If Murray took it upon himself to become Michael’s personal physician it was his obligation to find a remedy to help him sleep. HIS obligaiton and not Michael Jackson’s. When a patient has a health problem it isn’t him who should solve it – we have doctors for that. And what is the good of doctors if they cannot help you to treat your problem? For example, insomnia?

    And what “analysis” of Murray’s case are you talking about? Tabloid analysis? If so, then these guys definitely overlooked the glaring fact that this so-called doctor wrote emails and incessantly talked on the phone instead of monitoring his patient. Fiddled with all those vials and ran back and forth asking for his patient’s son. And didn’t do the most logical thing to do – call 911 when the emergency took place.

    You like the doctor? Okay, then if they set him free I suggest you take him as your personal physician. Or better let him treat your children. After all you hear at this trial you will surely know what to expect of Murray if your children get into an emergency situation.

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  175. October 9, 2011 2:14 am

    The statement is not true at all. The chemical addiction is the most easy part to get rid off with the help of drugs. Then you have to deal with the psychological addiction which is the most difficult part. Addiction of any kind has a difficult treatment and the outcome depends on numerous factors like in any other disease. It is something that can be cured & numerous people have been cured. Any statement to the contrary does not come from a professional.

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  176. ares permalink
    October 9, 2011 1:37 am

    Your comments seem to imply that.

    – I just choose to stay with the facts in the case and not speculation.-

    No, you chose to believe the things that you want to believe. The facts are those autopsy and toxicology report that you seem to dismis because you chose to believe that MJ was an addict and thus totally resposible for his death.

    And let me ask you something else. You spoke about the pubblic being ripped of by the prosectution of this trial. David, a co-admin in this blog, asked you if you complained about the fact that in 2005 DA Tom Sneddon spend millions of dollars in order to prosecute MJ in that joke of a trial. Did you complain then? The pubblic was totally ripped off then, did you ever asked why that trial even happened? Can you answer us this question please?

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  177. October 9, 2011 1:33 am

    “the truth is, according to Experts is once an addict, always an addict”

    This is true for narcotic drugs because some biochemical changes take place in the body over which the person has no control. That is why narcotics should not ever be started.

    But the problem is that Michael 1) never started it himself and 2) managed to admirably control it once he overcame it.
    I am talking of Demerol because propofol is not a narcotic drug and does not develop a dependency (the addiction).

    Oprah Windfrey was a cocaine abuser for many years. Later on she managed to beat it (as far as we know), but technically speaking she may be called a drug addict too. I hear she is very popular and receives some awards. Why don’t they say that “the award was given to drug addict Oprah Winfrey”?

    What I mean is that if it is rule for everyone it should be followed for everyone and not only for Michael Jackson, right?
    It is bashing him only and “forgiving” everyone else which isn’t nice and is smelling so badly.

    Re.Oprah:
    “In the controversial Oprah-Winfrey-was-a-drug-addict tale, there are two known sides. On one hand, there’s the unforgettable TV moment in the 90s when she tearfully told in her own talk show that she had smoked crack cocaine while in her 20s, but never said anything about dependence on the drug or anything else. On the other hand, there’s the more latest allegation made in a tell-all book by a previous boyfriend that Oprah was actually a regular cocaine user in the 80s, and was in fact under the influence during her show tapings.

    Whatever the truth is, it is clear that Oprah has now overcome whatever her drug demons of the 70s and 80s were. As of September 2008, Forbes has predicted Oprah as having a fortune worth over $2.7 billion. CNN and Time Magazine hailed her “arguably the world’s most powerful woman”. She is quite the success story, sordid drug past or not.”

    http://www.drugaddictionnews.com/38/get-to-know-crack-addiction/

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  178. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 1:17 am

    Ares, I never said that and you can believe that too if you want. I just choose to stay with the facts in the case and not speculation.

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  179. ares permalink
    October 9, 2011 1:12 am

    @ janCorey

    So what you are basically saying is that MJ was an addict and thus Murray doesn’t have any respossibility for his death right?

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  180. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 12:53 am

    I am not here to argue with you, you can choose to believe aht you are saying or rely upon what has been proven. Simple.

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  181. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 12:42 am

    Great commentary Vin, but the truth is, according to Experts is once an addict, always an addict. There is culpability here in this Conrad case of MJ himself, at least according to the analysis of the case so far.

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  182. October 9, 2011 12:28 am

    “the video of MJ saying he became an addict after his head caught on fire.”

    Yes, and he was absolutely honest about it. Yes, his hair caught fire. Yes, he was in excruciating pain day and night for weeks or months after that. Yes, doctors gave him Demerol to dull the pain. Yes, they put expanding baloons under his scalp to extend the skin and cut out his bald spot and gave him more Demerol because of that. Yes, the first attempts didn’t help and they proceeded with stretching his scalp again and again, giving him more pain and more Demerol. Yes, this is why he had to wear a hat even in his home. Yes, Michael acknowledged that he developed a Demerol problem after their treatment. Yes, he went to Europe to a rehab. Yes, Demerol was not an easy thing to fight but he kept fighting. And yes, he managed to beat the problem as no traces of Demerol were found in his system.

    Any more questions?

    Just for the fun of it here is an article about some of George Washington’s and Thomas Jefferson’s activities – http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2912/did-george-washington-and-thomas-jefferson-grow-marijuana. Do these activities diminish the greatness of these two people and should they be crossed out of the US history as narcotic drug dealers and possibly drug abusers?

    Did George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grow marijuana?

    December 11, 2009
    Dear Cecil:

    I have heard Thomas Jefferson traded marijuana blends with George Washington and the other founding fathers. I find this hard to believe, but the rumor is ubiquitous. Can anyone verify if it is true or false? I e-mailed the famous Jefferson scholar Clay Jenkins but got no response. However, on his podcast, The Thomas Jefferson Hour, he did admit to donning his Thomas Jefferson impersonation gear and visiting Burning Man. Should I take this as a tacit admission of our third president’s smoking habits?

    — Piddyx

    Cecil replies:

    Two approaches we could take here. The first is we just stick to the facts. Lotta fun that is. The second is we wave gaily at the facts en route to a more entertaining sociopolitical perspective. This is the Fox News system, and you can see it works for them. Let’s see what we can come up with based on the following:

    Botanically, marijuana equals hemp. As we’ve established in the past, these are basically two names for the same plant.
    Useful for rope, paper, and clothing, hemp was long promoted in Virginia as an alternative cash crop to tobacco. Tobacco depleted the soil, and gluts sometimes drove prices down. Shifting economics led to a small “hemp boom” by 1765. In two Virginia counties, folks were allowed to pay their taxes in hemp.
    Both Washington and Jefferson tried growing hemp on their Virginia farms, with mixed success. Washington used some of what he grew to make hemp clothing worn by his slaves. However, U.S. hemp exported to Britain often was of such poor quality that it couldn’t be sold, and Washington was never able to turn a profit on the crop despite sustained effort. Jefferson also seems to have grown hemp strictly for local consumption, from which we deduce he couldn’t make money at it either. In short, not only were Washington and Jefferson marijuana farmers, they were unsuccessful marijuana farmers.
    Notwithstanding their failure to make a fortune from hemp, Jefferson and Washington kept at it. Washington continued to tout the crop after he became president. Jefferson invented a better “hemp brake” to separate the fibers from the stalks, something he thought was so important agriculturally that he refused to patent it. This tells us two things. First, Jefferson ran an advanced marijuana processing facility. Second, he was a socialist.
    Both Jefferson and Washington traded seeds and plants with other farmers on a regular basis. Jefferson wrote of receiving hemp seedlings from someone in Missouri, and it would have been only neighborly to send some Virginia seedlings back. Chances are Washington did the same. Couple this with the fact that the two men at least tried to sell their hemp crops and we’re obliged to conclude: Washington and Jefferson weren’t merely marijuana farmers, they were marijuana dealers.
    Were they marijuana smokers, though? Let’s continue our review.

    No great social stigma was attached to smoking pot in the late 1700s and early 1800s — pot use wasn’t considered a problem until the early 1900s.
    Thomas Pynchon’s novel Mason & Dixon (1997) features a scene in which George Washington shares a blunt with the eponymous surveyors while Martha dutifully supplies them with doughnuts and other munchies. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, being fiction and all. But it’s reassuring to know that whenever an opportunity presents itself to combine historical revisionism and pot jokes, Pynchon is all over it like a wetsuit.
    Despite the above, I couldn’t find any contemporary accounts suggesting either Washington or Jefferson ever indulged in, advocated, or even mentioned smoking pot. The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, an organization dedicated to being a voice for “responsible marijuana smokers,” simply notes that Washington and Jefferson grew hemp for economic reasons.
    But let’s not give up too quickly. In his diary for August 7, 1765, Washington writes, “Began to separate the Male from the Female hemp … rather too late.” Female marijuana plants are the ones that contain enough THC to be worth smoking. Some take this to mean Washington was cultivating the plant not just for fiber. Of course, two days later Washington says he put the hemp in the river to soak and separate out the fibers, and later in September that he started to harvest the seed. That suggests he divided the plants because the males made stronger fiber while the female plants produced the seed needed for the next year’s crop. Jefferson in his Farm Book wrote that a female plant would produce a quart of seed, and a bushel of seed was enough to plant an acre.
    Do these guys sound like midnight tokers? No, they sound like farmers. Just shows how clever they were at covering their tracks.

    — Cecil Adams

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  183. October 9, 2011 12:28 am

    “the fact remains that once an addict, always an addict”

    There is no such fact in science. The statement is completely false

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  184. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 12:22 am

    Anyone can re-word it to anything that makes them feel more comfortable, but the fact remains that once an addict, always an addict. Period, no if’s and’s, or but’s.

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  185. October 9, 2011 12:19 am

    Michael Jackson admitted addiction to pain killers in 1993 and went to rehab for that. What does this have to do with the current homicide case?

    Once an addict always an addict is pure popular generalization and since I am an expert who treats addiction among other mental illnesses, I have to inform you that there is no such thing as generalization in science. Since I don’t have treated someone myself the only thing I can rely on is the factual information, not somebody’s useless opinion on TV.

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  186. JanCorey permalink
    October 9, 2011 12:03 am

    Once an addict, always an addict, at least according to the Experts.

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  187. lcpledwards permalink
    October 8, 2011 11:37 pm

    @ Jan Corey
    Yes, he had an addiction in 1993 that was caused by the stress he was under due to the FALSE allegations, as well as the fact that he went on tour before his scalp was fully healed from additional surgery he had in the summer of 1993. The addiction that he had in 1993 is absolutely irrelevant to the events that transpired in June 2009. That’s what people like you fail to realize! You label MJ as an “addict”, but fail to hold Dr. Murray accountable for the things he did wrong!

    What if you needed sleep, and accidentally took too many over the counter sleeping pills, and died? How would you like it if you were labeled as an “addict”, despite the fact that you did not have a physical dependency on those pills? How would your friends and family react? They would obviously defend you from those false claims!

    By the way, are you here to engage in an intelligent, civilized discourse over your thoughts of MJ being an addict, or are you here just to be a troll and harass us? I would assume the latter, since you have yet to present a substantive, cogent answer to the questions that I posed to you in previous comments.

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  188. JanCorey permalink
    October 8, 2011 11:23 pm

    Looks like some people here missed the video of MJ saying he became an addict after his head caught on fire. I find it easier to just deal with the facts instead of speculation. MJ definately was a drunk addict.

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  189. lcpledwards permalink
    October 8, 2011 11:01 pm

    @ Jan Corey
    Did you read either the autopsy report or the toxicology report? Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that MJ was a “drug addict?”

    Did he use drugs in his lifetime? Of course he did! He needed painkillers for his scalp burns, and for his back injury that he sustained in 1999 while he fell from a stage while performing. He also had Lupus, which is a deadly autoimmune diseases, and his Vitiligo was a result of that Lupus. Just because he needed drugs throughout his life, it doesn’t make him an “addict”. There is a negative connotation with that word because it implies that he was out of control, was a “junkie”, couldn’t function (which the “This Is It” movie disproved), and it dehumanizes him because it gives people an excuse to not care about obtaining justice for him. His desire for Propofol was rooted in his quest for sleep, which he had a problem obtaining due to Lupus, and the stress he was under. He wasn’t physically “hooked” on Propofol, as it induces a coma, and your body does not build a tolerance to it.

    How do you feel about the hundreds, if not thousands, of former NFL players who were/are addicted to painkillers, such as future Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre? Are they “addicts” too? Or do you feel any sympathy for them? ESPN did a lengthy investigation into this issue with this report: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=110128/PainkillersNews

    I have a question for you: if a woman wears a mini skirt and high heels, and goes out by herself late at night, and walks through a dark alley alone, and gets sexually assaulted by a stranger, would her bad judgement negate the need to get justice? Would you say that she “got what she deserved?” Would you say that her attacker should get off easy because the woman “had it coming to her?” That seems to be the logic that you’re applying to MJ; he was an “addict”, so Dr. Murray should get off easy, because MJ “got what he deserved”.

    I truly hope that you and your friends and family never, ever have to use painkillers to recover from a traumatic injury!

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  190. JanCorey permalink
    October 8, 2011 10:44 pm

    No evidence to suggest MJ was an addict? How about his own words?

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  191. October 8, 2011 10:28 pm

    There is no evidence to suggest MJ was an addict-not even from the results of the search warrant compared to doctors subscriptions. It’s old news since 2009. Plus the autopsy report does not support any kind of addiction and the same goes for the toxicology report. The toxicology is here by the way

    http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/toxicologyreport.pdf

    Needless to say that the cause of death is acute propofol intoxication administered by somebody else according to the coroner and that’s why it was ruled homicide. And of course MJ’s fingerprints were NOT found in the scene.

    These are the facts. Anything else is tabloid fantasy

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  192. lcpledwards permalink
    October 8, 2011 9:58 pm

    @ Jan Corey
    If MJ was such an “addict’, then why wasn’t there any long term damage to his internal organs, as noted in his autopsy report? Why is it that only propofol, a drug that you cannot become chemically dependent on, was found in his system, and determined to be the cause of death? Did you read all the toxicology report? Look at all of the drugs that they looked for but were NOT DETECTED! http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dge7s9

    And if you’re so worried about the public getting ripped off by prosecutors, then why don’t you complain about that JOKE of a trial that took place in 2005? If you believe that MJ was guilty but “got away with it because he’s a celebrity”, then please present the facts that you stand on. Thank you.

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  193. JanCorey permalink
    October 8, 2011 8:35 pm

    Vindicating Michael, he’s a confirmed and proven dope addict. Congratulations MJ. How much money was spent of tax-payer dollars by the prosecution-team to come to that conclusion? If they spent more than a penny, the public got ripped off yet again.

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  194. paradais permalink
    October 8, 2011 8:22 pm

    Vindicatemj,

    A wealth of information presented here and thank you so much for sharing it with all fans. I have only read through about 2/3 but I must say, the scenarios presented here, along with the motives, appear to make sense to me. It’s a shame Katherine filed her action too late to have other parties, eg AEG and Tohme investigated. I really hope all the facts come out eventually. I wonder why she missed the deadline? Who was providing her with legal advice I wonder?

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  195. September 29, 2011 11:20 am

    The key to this entire case is in fact Murray… and he will be found guilty as charged. The fact that when Michael’s manager, Mr. Dileo, Kenny Ortega and others noticed that Michael was not himself as far as not showing up for rehearsals and the weight loss; Murray assured them that he was in good health but now during the trial the defense wants to say that Michael was very ill and was very close to dying. Murray is a snake and when he recorded Michael during the time he was talking sluggish; was just a token for him to use to blackmail Michael if he found it necessary to get money from him. However, it’s turning out to be used against Murray. That only confirms that he is a sleazy individual that is capable of doing just about anything to get money including causing Michael’s death. On top of; while watching the trial the camera is constantly on Murray and you can very easily tell by his reactions that he is guilty of causing harm to Michael. Everyone that has testified knows that Murray caused Michael’s death and their testifying on behalf of Michael and not Murray even though they were subpoenaed to do so. And what doctor that you know of that doesn’t know how to perform CPR on a patient? “You’ve got to be kidding me!” Isn’t that one of the first things that they teach you in medical school? He didn’t have enough sense to place Michael on a hard surface to perform CPR. Or is it that he knew Michael was dead and decided to play dumb when asking security if they knew how to? And what happened to the money that was missing from Michael’s safe. Michael had demons around him and that’s why he’s not alive today. He had a problem sleeping which made him vulnerable to a lot of greedy people. And please do not forget Dr Klein. He should be sitting next to Murray. The medication that he was giving to Michael caused him to suffer with insomnia while trying to withdrawal. It caused Michael’s body to go through a lot of changes on top of not having an appetite that caused the weight loss. It’s very sad to say that Michael got caught up in a vicious web and the web was created by AEG, Dr Klein, Murray and Tohme Tohme. However, the main two characters that really caused the final blow to Michael was Murray and Klein. Michael just didn’t have anyone around him that really cared for his well being and it’s a shame that the security and others that was aware of what was going on in Michael’s home wasn’t concerned enough to make sure that he was okay. Now this is really what got me… “Muhammad; the head of Michael’s security said that he knew what was going on which makes me wonder why didn’t he contact Michael’s family?” But when everything went haywire, he all of a sudden wants to make sure that Michael’s family was not followed while leaving the hospital. If he was that concerned, why didn’t any of them call his family from the beginning when it first happened? Better yet, why didn’t they call his mother when he was driving Michael to Klein’s office just about every day? That’s how the word got out that Michael had skin cancer due to him explaining it to Muhammad the reason why he was visiting Klein’s office so often. Although I believe; Michael just told him that he had a problem with his skin to keep him from wondering why he really was visiting Klein so often. Muhammad was more or less concerned about keeping his job which they all were fired immediately after Michael died anyway. So, if any of them were smart, they would have come out better intervening to save his life when they first saw the signs of something going wrong. Michael would still be alive and they would still have their jobs. What a bunch of dummies…

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  196. Chris permalink
    September 29, 2011 10:07 am

    VMJ

    The prosecution are not charged with proving AEG they are proving Murray. That is there only goal which is fine.

    However the defence needs to blame every1 but murray so don’t be surprised that Defence is gunna question aeg more than prosecution.

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  197. JanCorey permalink
    September 28, 2011 11:49 pm

    Maybe the prosecution will blame the death of Michael Jackson on Casey Anthony and will try to sue Casey for the expenses of this investigation too. No facts necessary in this case also, just fantasy-forensics. If they prosecute Conrad’s case like Casey’s case, an acquittal is expected.

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  198. September 28, 2011 10:20 pm

    I’ve just listened to the testimony of Kathy Jorrie, a lawyer who drafted a contract with Murray for AEG and am astonished to find that they are asking the same questions I was wondering about. There is something uncanny in all of us dancing around one party to that deal which is not explicitly named here but which is one of the main participants in the events.

    Frankly, I cannot yet understand who is more interested in bringing AEG into the picture – Prosecution or Defense. Probably the Defense is more intent on that, so I am realizing with some trepidation that it is Murray’s side which is asking the questions I am keen on. Nice company to find oneself with…

    The business part of Kathy Jorrie’s testimony is very much different from what I was led to believe by the two versions of Murray’s contract I found in the attachments to Joe Jackson’s suit (discussed here: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/conrad-murray-and-aeg-in-michael-jacksons-life/). It seems that at least one of the versions posted there is wrong (if we are to believe Kathy Jorrie’s words).

    She says she made the first draft contract on June 15 and the reference to May 1 as the beginning of Murray’s term of services was because the contract had a retroactive power. She says that after Conrad Murray asked for some provisions to be revised a second draft was prepared on June 23 and Murray signed it the next day. This is a very big difference from what we knew before – previously we heard from Murray that he saw the contract only at the end of June. Whether it is important or not we will find out later – in the meantime let us just say that it is different.

    Kathy Jorrie says that she and Murray were involved in the discussion of the contract between those days (June 15-23). I even gathered that Michael Jackson was shown the contract, probably the final variant of it (though over here I probably misunderstood them).

    The crucially important question was asked by the Defense and the answer to that is powerful proof that AEG knew much more about propofol than they would like to admit.

    See how it was found out:

    1. Kathy said that she had NOT talked to Murray before making the 1st draft contract and was preparing it on the basis of the guidelines given to her by Timm Wooley of AEG.

    2. But she also said that the very first draft ALREADY contained a point about the need for resuscitation equipment.

    3. The Defense asked her how she knew this point was to be included in the contract if Murray hadn’t talked to her before that?

    4. She had to reply in some confusion that she was informed about the need for it by Timm Wooley of AEG.

    5. Her exact answer is: “It was in the list of equipment provided by Timm”.

    It means that it was AEG who asked for that equipment and wanted it in the contract. This means that they most probably knew what for that equipment was needed.

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  199. MOA permalink
    September 22, 2011 1:36 am

    @Lynande, thanks for the video!

    “there is not a known case of physical addiction or dependence to propofol because of the metabolism of propofol this does not happen.” I remember that Murray said once that MJ had developped dependency to propofol. For “gaining” him back, CM made some changes in his “treatment” and this some days before MJ’s passing. Have you heard anything about this? Is this BS?

    Talking about his “treatment”, what was it exaclty?

    You explained that Flumazenil reverses propofol’s effects (Is it correct?) But the mixture of propofol, lidocaine and flumazenil cannot help anything (is this correct?). The coronor had found propofol, lidocaine and flumazenil “in approximately 0.17g of white tinted fluide …” and again all these 3 meds “in approximately 0.47g of yellow tinted fluid from a short section of IV tubing attached to a Y connector” What does your experince tell you? Why mixing these meds? What was he purpose?

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  200. September 15, 2011 9:30 pm

    “many fans have openly stated that the idea of pulling anyone else into the equation is seen as a vice for weakening Murray’s case. It is felt that by implicating AEG or Tohme Tohme or anyone else, we are feeding into the defense’s hands threatening Murray’s conviction.”

    Cassaundra, the people who think that it is only Murray who is to blame need to ask a question – what does Murray gain by Michael’s death? Nothing at all.
    On the other hand the other side was not interested in his death either. And this made me think about their motives.
    Please understand that it will be sheer speculation on my part so I will describe a totally hypothetical situation not connected with anyone in particular.

    * * *
    Suppose your aim is to force someone to terminate the contract and refuse to fulfil his obligations.

    You want it because as soon as he refuses you derive enormous benefits from it. Enormous.

    But you see that the other side is absolutely determined to go with it.

    How can you induce him to stop?

    By making him frail and physically unable to fulfil his obligations, right?

    So you want him ill. You don’t want him dead – you just want him ill and frail.

    Will you spare him in this situation? Or will you pressurize him instead?

    And how can you pressurize a person and drive him into a corner?

    By making various harsh demands of him and simultaneously making him unable to fulfil them.

    If you have someone who is obliged or willing to obey your orders you will make similar harsh demands of him too. He should ensure this, he should ensure that. He is given an absolutely free hand in order to ensure things you expect of the other person.

    But then the person whom you wanted ill suddenly dies – due to his own stress, the other person’s negligence or probably his simple tiredness which made him fall asleep at the crucial moment.

    Will you still be responsible for your intentions? Or will this other person be the only one to answer?

    * * *

    Another totally hypothetical variant:

    The person you expect to terminate the contract has become ill, frail and utterly stressed.

    But he still does not give in.

    Nothing helps no matter how you try to induce him to terminate the contract.

    Then you take really drastic measures – find a pretext, make a sort of a scandal over it, blaming him for something he didn’t do and threaten him that it is you who will terminate the contract because you cannot put up with it any longer.

    Finding out that this was only a pretext will take time and much litigation, but for the moment it is okay.

    So you pull out and he has to pay for everything. And since he can’t pay, he passes over to you everything he has.

    Happy end is almost there.

    But suddenly your right-hand man makes a slip…..

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  201. September 15, 2011 11:15 am

    A lot of great information… I have been so desperate in making since of all of this craziness. And it’s a terrible shame that such a wonderful person lost his life simply due to greed. Everyone involved only wanted to make money off of Michael’s gift. And sure, Michael needed money as well true enough but he very well understood that he was capable of making everyone finances bloom including himself. But without knowing what was in store in reference to his demise; I pray that he did not know about the underhanded demons, agreements and disagreements that was going on around him. You see… this is what happens when greediness gets in the way of something that would have benefited everyone involved. “This is it” has turned into a “Who Done It” horror flick. And you would be surprised as to all that’s really involved. Now as far as the 6.5 million that was advanced to Michael and the fact that AEG controlled as to where all but 2 million would be utilized; it brings back to memory when Michael’s mother stated that he kept at least 2 million in a safe at his home and after his death, the money came up missing. I wonder if they ever located that 2 million. And I also wonder if it’s the same 2 million that was he left from the 6.5 million advances that he received from AEG? Not to mention of all of the signed, unsigned, copied and pasted contracts that probably had a lot to do with what happenrd. But what’s more important is what happened at his home that led to his death? Michael should have never come back to the US. This is where it all started as far as his demise. If I had to endure all of the havoc caused by tabloid junk and all of the haters; I would have left and never to return. As a matter of fact I just watched an interview of Michael’s brother; Jermaine talking about the book he just written and he explains that during Michael’s 2005 trial that his family had secretly arranged to fly Michael to Bahrain if he had been found guilty of child molestation. Jermaine was quoted as telling The Times magazine that was released on Saturday; that a private jet financed by a friend was on standby to whisk his late brother to the Gulf emirate if the 2005 court case ended with a conviction. Bahrain does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S. Jermaine also said that Michael did not know about the escape plan but he would have “done it in a heartbeat” because “why should he go to jail for something he didn’t do?” Therefore, I feel that Michael should have never step foot back into this country. And if you really want to blame someone then put the blame on the tabloids, MJ haters, the ones that took an oath to protect all US citizens, the families that lied about the molestations just to get money and the ones that invaded his Neverland home and destroyed everything that meant so much to him. They too are the blame for Michael not being here. Michael suffered for so many years due to greed and now it’s over. He suffers no more. And now the blame is put on one individual (Murray) that has to face the cause of Michael’s death. I’m not saying that he’s not guilty but he’s not the only guilty one. We need to get to the root of this and not stick one person amongst many to take the blame. And thank God for all of the fans that continues to support him including myself. We need to just stand tall and join hands in a very firm fashion to build a bridge that only the truth can cross. And as Michael once said during his 2005 molestation trial, “Do Not Judge for I Am Innocent until Proven Guilty… Give Me My Day in Court and Let the Truth Be Told.” Well, the truth will be told… remember this trail is not just about who was the cause of Michael’s death but who are the ones that really and truly stood up for him. The final truth will be told and the world will be tuned in including the haters to witness what really lead up to that dreadful day of June, 25, 2009.

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  202. September 15, 2011 4:36 am

    There has been a crime,and Murray is a partner.It may be followed by a travesty of justice.

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  203. September 15, 2011 2:03 am

    VindicateMJ:

    In response to your question about if people are thinking negatively about you. Nothing I’ve read in response to the posting of this article is seen as being personal against you, but many fans have openly stated that the idea of pulling anyone else into the equation is seen as a vice for weakening Murray’s case. It is felt that by implicating AEG or Tohme Tohme or anyone else, we are feeding into the defense’s hands threatening Murray’s conviction.

    Murray already stated that he gave Michael propofol, but he consistently denies that he killed Michael. That alludes to either someone else did or they are going to insist that Michael killed himself. I cannot go for that. I cannot see fans willing to let Michael be victimized, yet again to save AEG which IMO includes Dr. Tohme. If not Murray, then who? Certainly not Michael? That’s insane.

    Why should he be on trial AGAIN for of all things, killing HIMSELF? Wasn’t it enough that he was charged over and over again with crimes he didn’t commit on? Now he’s going to be tried pothumouly for mrdering himself. For crying out loud, NO!!!!! I cannot fathom that!

    If there are any questions regarding who killed Michael, those questions should be if not Murray then who had both motive and opportunity? And look at ALL the facts including binding documents .

    I only ask fans to please not allow Michael in death to become the victim of yet another shameless scam. Dignify Michael Jackson in death if we could not do it for him in life. We are his voice, his eyes and his ears. Use them to vindicate him.

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  204. September 15, 2011 12:46 am

    I have found over these 2 years that there are so many fans who are content to let Conrad Murray take the punishment for the crime and possibly, maybe serve 4 freaking years. Many might say “4 is better than none. That might ring true, but it still is not nearly enough for the loss to this planet of Michael Jackson. If there is any sliver of a possibility that big wheels were involved, I want them to go down too. What’s to lose by looking into the possibility? What’s to gain? Peace of mind if nothing else. At least we tried.”

    Cassaundra, first of all thank you very much for your great comments. You’ve expressed so many thoughts that it will take some time before I answer all.

    Yes, four years for Murray is a funny punishment – a human being’s life has been taken and we talk of 4 years only. However when it comes to doctors they often get away with the “mistakes” they make. But Murray himself astonishes me – he doesn’t seem to have any pangs of conscience! This is totally incomprehensible.

    As regards AEG, my resentment over the way they treated Michael is such that they simply do not exist for me any longer. If it hadn’t been for them and their shameful ways Michael would be alive now. Their contract with Michael was so horrible that it is a stigma they will carry on their name until their last day. It is a monument to Greed and Insolence, both of which think that they can get away with anything in this life. Anything is good – fraud, lies, hypocrisy, looking down on people whose little finger they are not worthy of, humiliation and total slavery to which they wanted to subject him. It is unforgivable. The contract is a SHAME in its utter form and I am happy that they have erected this monument to themselves with their own hands.

    p.5 Michael Jackson at all times retained the option of refusing Dr. Murray’s services, or of canceling his agreement with AEG…. AEG in no way actually controlled Michael Jackson’s conduct even under plaintiffs’ alleged facts. Question- What would have been the outcome had he cancelled? What did he stand to lose?

    I need to look into that and check all respective clauses – whether he could cancel, under what condition, etc. But what I am absolutely sure of is that cancellation of a contract involves penalties. A lot of money was spent on the preparation of the show and even if the production expenses had not been placed on Michael’s shoulders (as AEG did it) in case he cancelled the tour he would have had to cover all those production costs, and all losses, and a heavy penalty too. Lots of millions.

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  205. September 14, 2011 4:57 pm

    “I applaud all the hard work that was obviously put into getting it out for us to ponder. I have posted it (the link) on several MJ Forums and am a little disheartened by the lack of responses or the negative ones it has received thus far. “

    Cassaundra, it is sad news – I never knew it was that way. Of course I know that I am taking a risk when quoting Joe Jackson’s suits or writing about Arnold Klein but in order to get to the truth all directions should be followed. And I will continue to do so never minding who says what. The truth can be found in most unexpected quarters especially since no analysis is possible without comparing various sources and facts.

    Anyone who knows me know that I have no allegiance to anyone except Michael Jackson. He is, or rather his aggregious death is the reason “

    Since you’ve menioned “allegiance” am I right in understanding that some think I am engaged, biased or have an agenda? I cannot and even don’t want to present any proof of it except my posts and comments made for the past two years. All I can say is that if I wanted “to be loved by everyone” and were trying to win people’s support no matter what – in order to reach some unsavory goals – I would be avoiding “sensitive” issues and wouldn’t make myself vulnerable like I do it by referring to controversial figures like Klein or Joseph Jackson.

    All I am working for is the truth. It is something I am practically praying to. I am sure that the truth exists in an absolute form. Like God. And that is why it is possible to find it even despite all lies that are covering it from us – if it is there it should be reachable.

    The way to find is not only hard and selfless work. It is also necessary to preserve a certain purity of mind and never lie yourself. The road to the truth is impossible via lies. That is why those who allow lies into their lives – even minimally – will never be able to get to the truth. Because it is either this or that.

    So what we are involved in here is a really big fight – Truth vs. Lies. We’ve been promised by the Heavens that in the end truth will prevail. I hope it does happen though probably not in our present lives. But it is still the duty of all honest people to work for it to happen one day. Especially since we cannot live in any other way.

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  206. September 14, 2011 3:56 pm

    “Can I put on my facebook account?”

    Siu Siu, sure you can! The idea of the blog is to spread the truth about Michael. So as long as you do it you are also doing the vindication job. Only please provide a link to the blog.

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  207. September 14, 2011 5:20 am

    Let’s not forget that blood is thicker than water and Tohme Tohme was at one time married to Randy Phillips’ sister, Janet. That’s a fact that’s verifiable!

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  208. lcpledwards permalink
    September 14, 2011 3:59 am

    @Siu Siu
    Of course! Please share our blog with all of your friends! You don’t have to ask! Thanks for reading and for commenting!

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  209. Jan permalink
    September 14, 2011 1:24 am

    Jermaine jackson was on UK TV today on ITV1 This Morning I hope you can view it:

    http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=272447

    starts around 15.00

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  210. September 13, 2011 11:54 pm

    Exellent and shocking.Still I believe many already have suspected something like this.My self I am utterly shaken just reading it in one article and several poignant posts. I have just returned from a trip and feel tired to death, I will return to this when I have somewhat
    recuperated.Soon I am off again for a couple of weeks or more,this has been planned a long time ago.
    Thank you VMJ.

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  211. Suzy permalink
    September 13, 2011 9:07 pm

    And if it was Demerol, so what? I don’t think Michael needs excuses for that. It had nothing to do with the 2005 case and it has nothing to do with the Murray case. The judge was right to throw it out in 2005 and the judge is right to throw it out now.

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  212. lynande51 permalink
    September 13, 2011 7:36 pm

    We know what they are doing Shelly. It has been part of the defense tactic from the beginning and is just a continuation of the the same. I commented to the post and covered the main points about the error of their theory from my article about the drugs found at Neverland. The funny thing is they weren’t even going to call the right Detective. It was not Steve Robel it was Conn Able that was going to give evidence on the vial found if it had been allowed to be introduced as evidence.The prosecution said it was Demerol in one brief but did not submit the lab findings along with the brief that claimed it was Demerol. The vial was submitted for testing on 1/24/04, if it had been found to be Demerol do we now think that the prosecution in the 2003-2005 case would have let that slide when they were adding new charges for the Grand Jury to consider? I do not. The trouble with lawyers is that they are lawyers and most of the time don’t know what a prescription bottle means other than the directions on it if it is their own, but Murray is a doctor and he does.

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  213. Siu Siu from Hong Kong permalink
    September 13, 2011 7:24 pm

    Hi, I have been reading your posts all the way. English is not my mother tongue. Though they are rather difficult to understand, I try my best to understand them. Well done. Can I put on my facebook account?

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  214. shelly permalink
    September 13, 2011 6:07 pm

    Nan, no offense, but I don’t think we should post that crap article.

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  215. nan permalink
    September 13, 2011 4:28 pm

    I saw the article in th la times about how chernoff trusts murray with his health issues/counts him among his friends type stuff..just pure spin..
    a friend showed me this blog from a Texas lawyer that .”.andjusticeforsome” says shares the same public relations firm with Chernoff. both Texas lawyers…this seems to be the desperate route they are taking for Murray to smear MJ..
    http://www.johntfloyd.com/blog/2011/09/08/double-standard-of-evidence-in-conray-murray-trial/

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  216. September 13, 2011 5:20 am

    This will be my last post on this until I calm myself down. I am getting too emotional. I have seen questions about how Murray became so entwined in this. I have no first hand knowledge but I do have a theory if I might engage you for just a few more minutes. We know that Michael did know Murray before this arrangement. And perhaps Michael respected him and did suggest him as his road physician. Perhaps at Michael’s suggestion AEG contacted Murray and presented him with an opportunity of a lifetime to which Murray couldn’t say no. Smooth talkers, dream makers. I can imagine they made Murray feel comfortable enough to go along with the deal, not knowing what lay ahead. So Murray who is already in debt, closes up shop, happily anticipating, and leaves for the job of a lifetime. However, once hired, he learns that what he is expected to do is not quite what he envisioned. However, he has no income now and he’s got obligations to meet, so he reluctantly goes along with the plan hoping to make the most of it while being promised he would be provided all he’d need in order to make this happen. He begins treating Michael, and he asks again for other necessities to make this thing go without any hitches. He’s stalled. He continues night after night knowing what he is doing is dangerous and unethical. But he sees no way out. His hand is forced to continue. Michael gets antsy, Murray is reprimanded. Michael is still not sleeping and missing a few rehearsals. Michael is reprimanded. They are both now not trusting of each other. But AEG knows that Murray is desperate and cannot afford to go against their demands, so they’ve got the upper hand. Murray’s getting nervous. Michael’s requesting another doctor. Murray cannot afford nor does he want to lose this job. He needs money, no pay yet, so he starts to introduce other agents into Michael’s system hoping something will work and so on and so forth until in his desperation he gets too careless, too desperate, and he goes too far. In the meantime AEG simply stalls and waits. They know what’s going on. Michael’s cold and shivering onstage in torrid temperatures. They knew all too well. Did they do anything to prevent it?

    Good night guys. I feel I’m moving into the Twilight Zone and Rod Sterling is still alive, directing me.

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  217. September 13, 2011 4:39 am

    I don’t really need to see another piece of information regarding AEG and Thome Thome to convince me that they were working as a team and planned on financially destroying Michael Jackson in this 0-2 deal. I am convinced that they didn’t care if those concerts ever took place because the way they had duped Michael with this contract, insured that their futures would be signed, sealed and guaranteed for life. They wanted Michael’s possessons at any price. His life. God that was too high a price to pay for anything. But in all their planning and scheming and lying, they seemed to overlook oneimportant thing… Michael Jackson’s got real people who care for him, everyday people who love him enough that they would not stare this kind of fraud in the face and ignore it. Call us crazy but call us and we will wade through hell and high water to see that Michael is treated right. Even in death.

    That contract was pure trash; not worthy of an entertainer Of Michael’s calibre and booking ability. Beyond that, it was ill conceived. Michael Jackson was an icon, a master of his craft. He could move mountains. This crap of a contract rendered Michael a puppet and they doctored it up so well that they became the masters of his fate. They backed him against a wall and destroyed him. And for that, I HATE THEM. Who was looking out for Michael’s interest? Certainly not Tohme. It is obvious that no one was which allowed for these backdoor tactics used to trap him. It’s a tragedy of monumental proportions. More than anything else in the world, I want them to face a jury of their peers and pay for what they did. Michael Jackson never did anything to hurt anyone. He is dead. That is final. It’s over. He was murdered in cold blood! And it was all for his money and his things. His things! Yet they sit back and emotionally unattached, and speak of his death in terms of legalities of signatures on a damn piece of paper. When is enough ever enough? When is it ever too much? When to possess it ended in the death/MURDER of Michael Jackson, for me, the bucks stopped there.

    What can we do? Are we under time restraints? Is there as Mrs. Jackson learned too late, a statute of limitations we are up against to get these monsters charged? I am actually praying every night that these things are brought to light during this trial. I am praying. But if it doesn’t, what can we do?

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  218. lynande51 permalink
    September 13, 2011 3:37 am

    @MOA first there is not a known case of physical addiction or dependence to propofol because of the metabolism of propofol this does not happen. Next the only known cases of people that were addicted to it were addicted to it’s euphoric effects or thehigh that they felt when they injected very small amounts that did not induce unconsciousness.
    As for all of the other meds that he gave and the propofol it does not effect their mood or their intelectual performance. He would be the same once the med was out of his system.I have a video that is a pretty good example of what a person is like on propofol when they first come out of it. It’s funny so go ahead and laugh.

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  219. September 13, 2011 3:04 am

    I have to say this before I delve further into the findings in this well researched report. thank you for it. I applaud all the hard work that was obviously put into getting it out for us to ponder. I have posted it (the link) on several MJ Forums and am a little disheartened by the lack of responses or the negative ones it has received thus far. Anyone who knows me know that I have no allegiance to anyone except Michael Jackson. He is, or rather his aggregious death is the reason I got a Facebook, Twitter, etc. account after 6/25/2009. I hate the internet highway and basically stayed away from it. But I could not sit back and just allow Michael’s death to be minimized, made punitive, or go unpunished and not speak out on it. I just couldn’t. So with my limited social networking skills, I let my heart by my guide.

    I have found over these 2 years that there are so many fans who are content to let Conrad Murray take the punishment for the crime and possibly, maybe serve 4 freaking years. Many might say that 4 is better than none. That might ring true, but it still is not nearly enough for the loss to this planet of Michael Jackson. If there is any sliver of a possibility that big wheels were involved, I want them to go down too. What’s to lose by looking into the possibility? What’s to gain? Peace of mind if nothing else. At least we tried.

    I am happy to know that Michael’s Estate is doing well, that they are raking in money by the truckloads. That’s all well and good. But losing Michael Jackson trumps that and finding out the whole truth and nothing but the truth is the Ace. I’d rather he was still here with his children and I am sure they feel the same. They’d rather have him.

    Okay so back to the subject at hand. I have gone over some things and these are my concerns: Any responses and/or corrections are welcome.

    p.5  Michael Jackson at all times retained the option of refusing Dr. Murray’s services, or of canceling his agreement with AEG…. AEG in no way actually controlled Michael Jackson’s conduct even under plaintiffs’ alleged facts.

    Question– What would have been the outcome had he cancelled? What did he stand to lose? It is my understanding that in contract law, once a signature (a legitimate signature) is attached, the aforementioned becomes legally binding. Though I question how legitimate the signature was since it was detached and on a separate sheet from the actual contract and from what has been reported, a photocopy. There is no indication that Michael’s signature was witnessed or notarized as is most binding signatures that are being submitted by any means other than person to person.

    p.6 The draft agreement expressly states that Dr. Murray and his medical company were to be engaged as independent contractors at [Michael Jackson’s] request.

    Question– But if Michael did not sign that, then those were just words on paper that anybody could have written;. certainly not legally binding. How could he be held to it?

    Unless Michael Jackson signed the agreement, acknowledging that he requested Dr. Murray’ services, then Dr. Murray would have no contract with AEG and AEG would have no obligations to Dr. Murray. …And the costs of Dr. Murray’s services were to be borne principally by Michael Jackson.

    Response – Obviously Michael was unaware of this clause, surely had he known that he would be by default responsible for this cost of Dr. Murray’s services, he would have certainly acknowledged by either signing this document or expressing his unwillingness to do so, thereby dismissing Murray.

    p.7 AEG did not choose or hire Dr. Murray; it merely conducted negotiations aimed at retaining him as an independent contractor on the tour but only for Michael Jackson’s benefit and only if Michael Jackson expressly consented to its doing so.

    Response – Obviously Michael didn’t choose him if he refused to sign paperwork required acknowledging cceptance of his services. Another scenario, maybe Michael did initially suggest Murray but upon learning that Murray was unskilled in the area of expertise that Michael desired, he decided he wanted someone else on the road with him. Thus HE DID NOT SIGN THE PAPERWORK. But for what ever reasons, AEG, ignored Michael’s requests and went ahead with contracting Murray. The question is why weren’t Michael’s wishes granted? And so now, who’s the boss? Michael or AEG?

    p.8 … plaintiff’s allegation that AEG is liable because it failed to provide a nurse and medical equipment to Dr. Murray is foreclosed by the draft Murray-AEG agreement, which expressly states that AEG owed Dr. Murray no obligations unless the agreement was signed by Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray signed the agreement – indicating he understood he would receive no medical equipment unless Michael Jackson also signed the agreement – and Michael Jackson did not sign.

    Response – Michael DID NOT want this care. It also seems out of synch or odd that Michael being a client of AEG, that AEG would not have persisted that he be given proper care. They risked losing money if he didn’t, that is unless of course, they had schemed of another way to recoup: Performance Insurance for example with some strange added clauses and/or riders.

    p.8 …it simply was not foreseeable, even on the most liberal view of the facts alleged, that Dr. Murray, a licensed physician with no alleged history of malpractice, would administer anesthesia in Michael Jackson’s home. ….it makes no sense to impose on Defendants a duty to prevent the totally unforeseeable circumstance that Michael Jackson would die in his home from an overdose of anesthesia.

    Response– but wasn’t it quite apparent from the equipment that Murray had requisitioned AEG for that Murray planned on doing something out of the norm. It is highly suspect that persons of their epertise would not have been able to discern that this is out of the ordinary? Or take it a step further, AEG is a major production company, booking some of the hottest acts in the world. Certainly traveling doctors are a matter they should be fairly familiar with. It would be interesting to know how many of them
    have asked for this kind of equipment in order to carry out their duties? I’d almost be willing to bet … not ONE.

    p. 9 AEG could not have hired or supervised Dr. Murray negligently because AEG did not hire or supervise Dr. Murray at all.

    Response– How convenient that would be if it was in any way believable and if paperwork and action didn’t say otherwise.

    p. 10 ..plaintiffs allege… that AEG “knew or should have known thatMurraywas nightly administering sleep remedies toJackson”. Yet, plaintiffs tellingly do not cite a single fact suggesting how AEG could have obtained this knowledge.

    Response – The itemization of additional equipment needs presented to AEG for consideration would be cause for some questions, or at least one would think. Plus Michael was known to have sleep problems. Murray was ordered by AEG to DO WHAT EVER IT TOOK to ensure Michael would be able to get to rehearsals. Self explanatory. They did not care what Murray did so long as Michael was at work every day.

    p.11 ..plaintiffs’ negligent supervision claim rest on plaintiffs’ allegation that AEG… did not conduct a background check before hiring Murray… Defendants’ alleged failure to conduct a background check would be pertinent only if plaintiffs also alleged that such a check would have revealed facts sufficient to put Defendants on notice ofMurray’s dangerousness. But plaintiffs did not – could not – do so.

    Response– We do background checks at my job on EVERY new hire whether they are delivery personnel or mail room staff. So…. a doctor? Come on. Definitely not an unreasonable request and should be a mandate.

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  220. MOA permalink
    September 13, 2011 2:43 am

    @Lynande thanks. Your knowledge is very helpful here. I have more questions. Would you help me with these?

    I wonder how Propofol in combination with other meds that Murray gave to Michael could affect a person intellectually and psychologically. Do you know that?

    His “treatment” apparently was to cure insomnia but could it actually cause addiction and insomnia? If yes, can you give us a medical explanation. Perhaps I am asking too much.

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  221. September 12, 2011 11:12 am

    The Neverland ranch deal with Colony apparently had a clause that he had to tour again or they wouldn’t “help out”.If this is true it makes me wonder what other clauses were in it. Maybe a Tohme to be your manager clause? “I wanna get someone in there that I know and trust” Sept 2008.

    Chris, sorry, I didnt’ get it. Can you refer us to a document on that deal with Colony or provide some more details about it?

    As regards Tohme it is clear even from the AEG-MJ ‘contract’ that they were imposing Tohme on Michael. Besides Tohme fully negotiating for MJ and sending out all confirmations in his name with faximile copies of his signature, AEG did their best to give Tohme some legal status with MJ and provide for his needs at Michael’s expense.

    We have proof of it.

    Michael was evidently against naming Tohme his official representative, so they included Tohme’s name into Michael’s insurance with Lloyds and specified a very interesting point in their attachment to contract (called Exhibit A). Look at it please – will you notice anything strange about it besides the outrageous fact that ALL production costs were at Michael’s expense?

    Production costs means the following costs:
    (a) …sound, lights, rigging motors, staging elements, video, pyro….
    (b) … musical instruments and the cost of transporting, storing and insuring…
    (c) … personnel costs for the tour party incl. transportation, food and accommodations…
    (d) ….salaries, weager, payroll taxes, union dues and other labor costs….
    (e) at such time as Artistco obtains the cancellation insurance required by paragraph 13 of the Agreement and Promoter receives written evidence that it has been named as a loss payee of such cancellation insurance, the mutually approved direct, actual costs of Artist-related management and staffing pursuant to the terms of a separate agreemetn with TT International, LLC for the services of Dr. Tohme Tohme (not to exceed $100,000 per month);
    (e) travel and transportation costs (including trucking, bussing and freight…..
    (f) tour design fees and tour creative art…
    (g) visa & immigration costs…
    (h)…
    (i) cancellation insurance to cover the risk of loss of Artistco’s profits and Production Costs….

    Let me point out several things in case you overlooked them.
    – First you see that there are TWO points “e” in this list. This makes us think that the point concerning Tohme and the insurance was included there at another time in the hope that no one will notice that it is alien there.
    – it is AEG who want Tohme to be paid by Michael and not the other way about. This makes us suspect that Tohme never worked in Michael’s interests and was working for the other party instead. The amount they suggest for him is the exorbitant (in my opinion) $100,000 which is an extra burden on Michael.
    – the payment to Tohme is directly connected to Michael’s cancellation (medical) insurance and is dependent on it.
    – however obtaining that insurance is a condition on which the whole deal depends, so whether Michael likes it or not it is an absolute must.
    – at this point we recall that someone included Tohme’s name into the insurance (see proof of it in this post) which implies that Tohme is part of the tour party,is tirelessly working on its implementation and has to be insured
    – so a link between the two documents is created!
    – the above attachment requires Michael to pay Tohme “at such time as Artistco obtains the insurance” and as soon as it was obtained and someone amended it , Michael was obliged to pay Tohme though he was a legal nobody to him!

    This scheme speaks to a long planning done on the part of AEG and Tohme. They spread it very well in time – one amendment was made to the Insurance, another amendment was made to the contract and here you are – you have Tohme on Michael’s payroll as his almost official representative. Considering that point “e” is a suspicious double we also have every reason to believe that it was inserted into the text later. And since it does not carry Michael’s signature it means it was done without him knowing what they were doing.

    In short it is an ILLEGAL MANIPULATION WITH PAPERS.

    This manipulation could have been done by Tohme ONLY IN COOPERATION WITH AEG. And this is how Tohme and AEG were going about all their business with Michael.

    ILLEGALLY.

    And there is no use alluding now to the fact that Michael’s lawyers were not by his side. Irrespective of their absence, the other party is not allowed to use criminal methods and should not manipulate the papers the way they did.

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  222. September 12, 2011 9:40 am

    Another poor suffering soul saved by Conrad Murray. This time his own lawyer or maybe I should say liar. Don’t they ever give up? http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-murray-lawyer-20110912,0,5135979.story?track=rss

    What a saga about this lawyer! However it is interesting to what sacrifices Ed Chernoff is going in order to defend Murray! And the question where the money comes from is still very much undecided and intriguing. How can Murray – who at the best of his times earned $3300 and was to give away half of it to his children – can afford one lead lawyer with two co-counsels and a team of forensic experts (and a publicist)?

    Quotes:

    Chernoff has thrown himself into the defense of Murray, a man he says he now counts as a close friend, setting up a temporary office in Glendale, bunking in the San Marino home of another defense attorney and, in what colleagues describe as typical over-preparation, studying for and passing the notoriously difficult California bar exam.

    Chernoff said he searched for a California lawyer to take over the lead role in Murray’s defense, but visits to a dozen high-profile lawyers proved fruitless. Some wanted more money than Murray could afford, others Chernoff didn’t like, he said.

    Chernoff insists that Murray’s case has not brought him any business. In Houston, he specializes in what a colleague called “bet-your-future criminal litigation” – representing middle and upper-middle-class defendants facing a first criminal charge.

    Asked early on about Murray’s ability to pay him, he replied, “He doesn’t have a pot and he’s running out of pee.” The status of their pay arrangement is unclear. Chernoff initially told reporters he wasn’t sure if he would collect any money, then said he might collect a smaller-than-normal fee and now is going to trial with two co-counsels and a stable of forensic experts. Murray continues to work in Houston, but Chernoff declined to say whether clinic wages are the sole source of defense funding.

    “I don’t trace the serial numbers on the money,” he said.’

    Unfortunately I recognize his Russian roots in what this guy with a Russian name is doing:

    What Murray gets with Chernoff, those who have tried cases with him and against him say, is an attorney with an encyclopedic knowledge of every fact and issue. “If everyone [on the defense team] were to drop dead as they walked into the courthouse, Ed could keep going,” Alford said.

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  223. Chris permalink
    September 12, 2011 9:22 am

    @ Teva

    The problem with the merchandise argument is that he wasn’t gunna come away with any money due to that contract. I think someone said something a while ago about CD sales would go up and he would make money that way.
    WRONG.
    The Mijac catalogue has a term that all money made from mijac goes directly onto the loan against it. Until it was paid off he sees nothing from it.

    VMJ u guys got a lot of papers but every fan site is missing an important one (in my view).
    The Neverland ranch deal with Colony apparently had a clause that he had to tour again or they wouldn’t “help out”.If this is true it makes me wonder what other clauses were in it. Maybe a Tohme to be your manager clause?
    “I wanna get someone in there that I know and trust” Sept 2008.

    Then what was stopping him? And why did he hire someone he didn’t know and trust? People say Jermaine but Tohme didn’t have an official role in MJ’s life until after that deal. And somewhere between a week after MJJ productions was reactivated in June Tohme was setting up selling MJ’s personal effects behind his back.
    He wasn’t wasting anytime. But who put the order through? Tohme doesn’t seem like a master manipulator more of a chess piece.

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  224. September 12, 2011 9:12 am

    The fact is the insomnia was lifelong. He had always had trouble sleeping for a variety of reasons. One he was so young when he started performing,staying up late rehearsing or out til 3 am in clubs.He had never had his circadian rythmns set. That doesn’t really happen until a person is about 7 years old. Couple that with the level of adrenalin that he was at when it was time to go to sleep and he couldn’t. Have any of us done 2 hours of aerobic execise before going to bed and then try to fall asleep? It can’t be done.When he was touring it was from time zone to time zone, 2 hours of aerobics and into a different time zone.

    Absolutely true. His insomnia had objective and even physical reasons for it. Especially if you consider the kind of stress he went through with all those allegations, suits, trial and media harassment. It can ruin anyone’s health and deprive a person of his sleep forever.

    When push comes to shove in this trial he will cave and he will start pointing fingers at AEG or anyone else that helped him or planned it.

    AEG has put its hand to it, so if he starts telling the truth about what they did to Michael it will be only welcome. It is not pointing a figure at someone innocent – it is shedding light on what the situation was really like.

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  225. lynande51 permalink
    September 12, 2011 9:10 am

    Oh and here we go again. Another poor suffering soul saved by Conrad Murray. This time his own lawyer or maybe I should say liar.Don’t they ever give up?
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-murray-lawyer-20110912,0,5135979.story?track=rss

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  226. September 12, 2011 9:01 am

    CASH FLOW. I think Michael’s dire financial situation created the form from which everything was molded.

    Great.

    First it was Propofol and now it is Money. It is always the Circumstances which are to blame. The people involved are responsible for nothing at all.

    So let us set Murray free then and let him practice medicine and let AEG go on deceiving people with their cut and paste contracts and exploit people to death.

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  227. September 12, 2011 8:43 am

    The background to the whole tragedy is PROPOFOL, and who introduced it into Michael’s life, years ago, as a sleep aid. You remove Propofol from the equation, Michael Jackson is still alive – pressure or no pressure.

    It is the same as using an unsafe device for heating your home. You had to because the company cut off electricity for no reason and nothing else was available. You thought you were safe because you took every precaution and firefighters are also next door. But when the accident happened the firefighters stood there and spoke on the phone while watching a spark flaming into a blaze.

    You remove the heating device from the equation and there is no tragedy. Only it does not release the firefighters of their guilt and does not excuse the company who said it was none of their business and you were to survive on your own despite the frost.

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  228. lynande51 permalink
    September 12, 2011 7:49 am

    The fact is the insomnia was lifelong. He had always had trouble sleeping for a variety of reasons. One he was so young when he started performing,staying up late rehearsing or out til 3 am in clubs.He had never had his circadian rythmns set. That doesn’t really happen until a person is about 7 years old. Couple that with the level of adrenalin that he was at when it was time to go to sleep and he couldn’t. Have any of us done 2 hours of aerobic execise before going to bed and then try to fall asleep? It can’t be done.When he was touring it was from time zone to time zone, 2 hours of aerobics and into a different time zone.
    This is it was a different thing. He would have been stationary in one time zone but sometimes with only one day off in between shows. Someone with the right kind of training to treat insomnia would have found a way to make that work if given time.
    As for the propofol someone did introduce it to him as a quick fix instead of treating the insomnia. I think it was Murray myself. He was giving it to him as early as 2008 and we only have his word that it was ever given before that. Why would we believe that when we can’t believe anything else he says?
    We have all kinds of people pointing fingers at one another but none of them even thought about doing that until Murray started pointing at them for his murder instead of taking any kind of responsibility for it. The thing that Dr. Freidberg said that stood out more than anything else in his comment was “don’t believe a single Murray utterance unless it can be independantly confirmed”. He has thought of every which way he could to distract the media, the jury and the public at large because he is a sociopath. It is never their fault it is always someone elses.When push comes to shove in this trial he will cave and he will start pointing fingers at AEG or anyone else that helped him or planned it.

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  229. Teva permalink
    September 12, 2011 7:05 am

    I’ll like to add another dimension: CASH FLOW. I think Michael’s dire financial situation created the form from which everything was molded. We know Havenhurst was in foreclosure, Neverland was in foreclosure, some of his staff said they were being paid, and he was being sued into oblivion. Michael was didn’t want to sell his children inheritance which was his Sony/ATV half and the Mijac catalog; therefore, he needed to get back to work. However, we also know MJ said he would never tour again because it would kill him. Being a perfectionist he became so involved he let his health suffer coupled with sleeping problems made touring impossible. However, desperate times call for desperate measures, and touring with all the merchandising provided guaranteed cash.

    Enter AEG. If Michael Jackson was not in financial distress the contract AEG presented would never have been allowed because his high end expensive lawyers would have torn it up and ask AEG to write a new one – come again. As we know this wasn’t the case and he had sub-standard if any legal representation on his behalf. Why would Michael ask Joe Jackson to accompanied him to a contract meeting? In more financially stable times Joe Jackson would never have been involved in Michael’s dealings. Any manipulation by AEG was achievable because of a cash weaken Michael Jackson.

    Enter PROPOFOL. If it were not for the a lack of funds there would be no tour, and if it were not for the tour there would be no propofol. The anesthetic was the direct cause of death, by an neglectful reckless doctor who did not use judgment to tell Michael that the milk of amnesia was a bad bad idea. However, it was reported that Michael had used the propofol in the past to get to sleep after a performance because his adrenaline was so high coupled with insomnia. No tour, no propofol.

    I think Michael’s financial duress was the cornerstone for the domino effect that happened in 2009 that led to his death, but it was the indirect hand of Martin Bashir that guaranteed it was likely.

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  230. Craig permalink
    September 12, 2011 6:01 am

    How propofol came into this picture still remains to be seen and the trial will tell us more about it. What I want everyone to understand is that there was a BACKGROUND to the tragedy which took place on June 25, 2009. If it weren’t for that background the tragedy would not have taken place.
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    The pressure AEG put him under was the direct reason why the tragedy took place. This makes both Murray and AEG guilty like hell – only they are guilty of different things. And frankly, I don’t know whose guilt is heavier.

    The background to the whole tragedy is PROPOFOL, and who introduced it into Michael’s life, years ago, as a sleep aid. You remove Propofol from the equation, Michael Jackson is still alive – pressure or no pressure.

    Whoever that first doctor was, bears far greater moral culpability than anyone who entered Michael’s life after 2008 – (With the obvious exception of Conrad Murray). The person(s) who first opened that door led to this tragedy.

    In the end, we don’t even know if things would’ve been any different if Michael was preparing for 10 shows or 5, as opposed to 50 . It’s not like Michael was doing the entire concert set during rehearsals anyway.

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  231. lynande51 permalink
    September 12, 2011 4:45 am

    @ MOA yes it is possible to stop someones heart with a rapid bolus infusion or a mainline injection of propofol alone. Is it possible for someone to become disabled from their heart stopping. Yes if theyare not brought back soon enough. Murray essentially found MJ dead not just not breathing. He was absent pulse respiration or circulation with fixed and dialated pupils. He then started CPR. He did that for a couple of minutes before he goes and gets help he continued that for 14 more minutes until the amblance arrived. They wanted to call it at the house but Murray wouldn’t let them he wanted him taked to the hospital where they worked on him for another hour or more. The cardiology fellow on call had to tell him that he had to let them stop if the IABD she was inserting did not work. If anything would have happened in there and Michael had been able to sustain a pulse he was down so long that he would have been in a permanent vegetative state. Yes is is possibleto disable him that way.It was in AEG’s interest if they thought they could get that catalogue that way.

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  232. September 12, 2011 2:09 am

    MOA, I’ve thought a bit about your idea concerning disabling him. In order to understand whether it might be possible we must understand whether it was in anyone’s interests. Since practically nothing in this life is done without a reason there should be a motive for such an action – if there is no motive the chances are almost nil unless we deal with a maniac (people with mental problems do not need motives – their actions may be totally unmotivated). But since this is definitely not Murray’s or AEG’s case this possibility can be disregarded.

    Why would any of them want him disabled? At the moment I cannot think of any reason for such an action. The only outcome would be cancellation of the shows and the insurance company probably paying some money (and probably not) and that’s it.

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  233. September 12, 2011 1:39 am

    “Could there be a third possibility? Pushing propofol directly in the veins, syringes found with several meds mixed together. Is it possible to trigger a heart attack that would not kill the person but disabled him?”

    MOA, I don’t know that. I am not in the medical profession and have no idea. Moreover I think it wouldn’t be a constructive attitude to think of some ideas which are not grounded. There might be lots of possibilities but – frankly – I never go after “naked” ideas which might be a million. I prefer to follow the documents as this is the only way I can really work. It is only after a long study of them and putting everything on its own shelf is when I start noticing that some pieces are missing. It is like collecting pages of a torn book – you put them together and when you have page 1 and page 3 you see that page 2 is not there and can more or less reconstruct its content.

    And “naked ideas” are like standing in the open field and not knowing in which direction to go – you can try several directions of course, and there is a slight chance that you might hit the point by a stroke of luck, but you are more likely to go in the direction which will take you nowhere. I think it is impossible to find the road if you have not thoroughly studied the map first.

    The ‘contract’ between AEG and Michael Jackson is such a map for me. The two alternatives I’ve mentioned (obtaining Michael’s assets through penalties due to “infringement” of their contract AND turning him into a slave who was to work for them for at least 2 years) are derived from the contract and not from thin air. However I still need to write a post about it and today has not been a very fruitful day for me in this respect.

    I hope you understand what I mean by “naked ideas”. We can’t afford to make mistakes, and everything should be very well documented – otherwise strange demands that I should confirm other people’s interpretations of my words and “let them know whether they understood me in a correct or wrong way” will continue. I begin suspecting that these questions are not accidental.

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  234. Teva permalink
    September 12, 2011 1:20 am

    “What other strange questions will you have?” – VMJ

    LOL. Strange? I don’t know, hopefully that was the last.

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  235. September 12, 2011 1:06 am

    “Are you saying that it was AEG’s responsibility/obligation to provide the best and safest at home propofol environment for Michael Jackson? If my understanding is correct please let me know; otherwise, please point out where I went wrong,”

    Teva, I was about to leave here for today when I saw your strange question which made me stay. I don’t know why you are asking it in such a manner but let me quote AEG’s contract which says that Producer was to “provide Dr. Murray for his use during the Term with medical equipment requested by Dr. Murray to assist him in performing the Services as approved by Producer (“Equipment”). The Equipment will include a portable cardio pulmonary resuscitation unit (“CMR Machine”), saline, catheters, needles, a gurney and other mutually approved medical equipment, necessary for the Services”.

    They were to provide it for whatever reason Murray wanted it for but they did not. This is a fact whether you connect it to propofol or not.

    Have I answered your question? What other strange questions will you have?

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  236. MOA permalink
    September 12, 2011 12:32 am

    @VMJ, you wrote:

    The only thing we don’t know at the moment is whether his death was their aim in the project. MOST PROBABLY NOT as the contract opens two other lucrative possibilities for AEG – 1) obtaining all Michael’s assets through a string of penalties for so-called infringements of their contract and 2) turning Michael into a live-long slave of theirs who would give concerts around the world till the end of his life bringing to AEG enormous profits on the way. THIS WAS THEIR REAL GOAL.

    Could there be a third possibility? Since Murray knew what he did, would they want to turn Michael to an disabled person? It seems that Murray experimented on Michael’s heart. Pushing propofol directly in the veins, syringes found with several meds mixed together. Is it possible to trigger a heart attack that would not kill the person but disabled him?

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  237. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 11:46 pm

    @lynande51

    Thank you. I do not come from a background in medicine, but I read the 13 chapters on Dipravan from that site and found it fascinating.

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  238. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 11:40 pm

    @vindicatemj

    I don’t want to misrepresent, or misconstrue your words or intentions. Are you saying that it was AEG’s responsibility/obligation to provide the best and safest at home propofol environment for Michael Jackson? To this end providing resuscitation equipment, a nurse anesthetist, and if need be substituting Dr. Adams who is an anesthesiologist in place of Dr. Murray.

    Forgive me if I misunderstand, I am trying really hard to get it. I am speaking specifically about this paragraph

    “They promised to supply resuscitation equipment which could have saved his life but failed to do so on a totaly fictional pretext. They were obliged to provide a nurse, i.e.a person who is specially trained to make injections (doctors are less qualified in it as it isn’t their main job) but didn’t do it either. They could have checked Murray’s qualifications or at least his licence if they were talking of a doctor for a performer of Michael’s magnitude and acknowledged the extraordinary challenges he was facing during the tour. They could have hired Dr. Adams who agreed to accompany Michael but they refused him though Michael specifically asked for that doctor. ” _VMJ

    If my understanding is correct please let me know; otherwise, please point out where I went wrong,

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  239. lynande51 permalink
    September 11, 2011 11:22 pm

    Teva in the world of medicine and drugs doctors use meds for all kinds of off lable uses everyday. In an ED he would easily get away with administering it and doing a cardioversion he would actually be restarting the heart when he stopped it anyway.Mainlining it is entirely different than being given IV bolus or drip. Mainlining is shooting it right in.

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  240. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 11:15 pm

    I found this regarding the use of propofol and cardioversion.

    “Elective cardioversion can be painful during the electric shock, requiring the patient to have sedation and amnesia for a brief period during the administration of the shock. This can be accomplished by the intravenous injection of an induction drug such as thiopental, methohexital, or propofol after preoxygenation and just before the administration of the electric shock. :- http://www.utswanesthesia.com/forum/index.php?topic=1574.0

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  241. September 11, 2011 11:07 pm

    Lynette, to everyone except the US media it is murder – second, third or whatever number – but it is murder all right.

    1. Some think that I am defending Muray here so let me repeat what I said about him earlier:

    Murray displayed gross negligence and incompetence when attending to his patient – he shouldn’t have agreed to administer Propofol in the first place, but if he did he should have followed the necessary rules of doing it. However Murray broke all norms and regulations there were to break there – he didn’t follow his patient’s heart condition and neglected his duty to such a degree that the only pulse oximeter he had lay unused somewhere in a closet.

    He didn’t call 911 when he saw his patient no longer breathing, and spoke to various people on the phone for 45 minutes instead. He made the bodyguard collect vials and bottles before asking him to make the necessary call, he rushed back and forth over the stairs summoning Prince to see him performing CPR on the already dead body of his father and he didn’t know that CPR is not done on a bed or with one hand only.

    He misled the medical personnel by not telling them he had ever administered propofol to the patient, and repeatedly changed his story and lied and lied and lied all throughout the process. The amount of lies alone is reason enough to pronounce Conrad Murray guilty like hell, while all the rest of his actions amount to so much negligence that the whole world can’t believe their eyes seeing that the local justice, media and ordinary public are still so very much undecided as to the guilt of this man. Strange that people have to be far away to be able to see it so clearly.

    2. But to all AEG’s fans I will say that the AEG guys are no better either. They promised to supply resuscitation equipment which could have saved his life but failed to do so on a totaly fictional pretext. They were obliged to provide a nurse, i.e.a person who is specially trained to make injections (doctors are less qualified in it as it isn’t their main job) but didn’t do it either. They could have checked Murray’s qualifications or at least his licence if they were talking of a doctor for a performer of Michael’s magnitude and acknowledged the extraordinary challenges he was facing during the tour. They could have hired Dr. Adams who agreed to accompany Michael but they refused him though Michael specifically asked for that doctor.

    They were definitely not to decide for Michael how many rehearsals he was to attend and whether he was to dance or sing there at all – because it was Michael’s duty to provide a first class performance and only the concert itself could show whether he was or wasn’t fulfilling his duty. They had no right to face him with any Riot Acts because even their so-called contract did not specify how many rehearsals he was to attend. They had no right to decide for him matters which were none of their business – for example, whether he attended a cosmetic doctor or he did not.

    They shouldn’t have made a cut and paste job out of their “contract” and shouldn’t have forged Michael’s signature on that letter of intent which they are passing for their contract now. Even if that signature wasn’t their doing they shouldn’t have accepted it if they are businessmen of integrity. They shouldn’t have placed ALL production costs on Michael’s shoulders because if the Artist is to pay for everything he doesn’t need a producer at all. They shouldn’t have deceived him at every step he was taking and shouldn’t have subjected the man to so much stress that he lost any ability to sleep.

    Instead they could have attended to the show itself and for example, could have taken care of the costumes for all the participants which were absolutely not ready. NOTHING was ready as those involved in the show say. Some of their main equipment was not ready and it was still to travel across the ocean and had to be assembled in London!

    And they shouldn’t have added 40 shows to the initial 10 (okay, to 18 as their ‘contract’ says) and shouldn’t have suddenly cut the preparation period setting the first show two and a half weeks earlier than it was stated in their contract! Yes, the contract said the tour was to begin on July 26 and not on July 8 for which they suddenly started selling tickets….

    Shall we go on with the list or are AEG’s fans convinced of their guilt too now?

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  242. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 11:06 pm

    I don’t know how to believe what Flanagan has said because he implicated his client unwittingly in other crimes or egregious bahaviour. The one thing that jumped out at me was the fact the Dr. Murray was administering the anesthetic, and was the one (I assume) doing the cardioversion. Isn’t that medical malpractice? The WARNING and PRECAUTIONS for propofol clearly state

    “….should be administered only by persons trained in the administration of general anesthesia AND NOT INVOLVED IN THE CONDUCT OF THE SURGICAL/DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE….” – http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm#

    How could Murray be the one administering the propofol and doing the cardioversion? T

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  243. MOA permalink
    September 11, 2011 10:56 pm

    @Lynande, Wikipedia says: Cardioversion is a medical procedure by which an abnormally fast heart rate or cardiac arrhythmia is converted to a normal rhythm, using electricity or drugs.

    What do you mean exactly? How Propofol comes in this? Explain please.

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  244. lynande51 permalink
    September 11, 2011 9:46 pm

    Here is a link to an article linked on Seven’s page. I am going to show you the comment written by Dr. Barry Friedburg. He wrote this comment in response to the article that was written.

    In a California that could not convict the clearly guilty OJ Simpson, it is not clear that a conviction can be obtained for the equally guilty Conrad Murray.
    That being said, no amount of defense attorney posturing or attempts to create reasonable doubt can ever relieve Murray of his responsibility to have watched and monitored Jackson.
    I was interviewed by Michael Flanagan, one of Murray’s defense attorneys, as the first anesthesiologist chosen to be a witness on behalf of Murray’s defense.
    Prior to this interview, when I had written the Michael Jackson chapter in ‘Getting Over Going Under,’ I assumed Murray was over his clinical training and expertise giving propofol .
    Flanagan dispelled that impression when he described how Murray gave propofol for cardioversions (electrical activity delivered to a heart with atrial rhythm disturbance). Flanagan said, ‘Murray did not even start an intravenous. He simply ‘mainlined’ the propofol directly into a vein.’
    I told Flanagan that he impressed me but not at all in the manner in which he had hoped.
    There is no word in the English language to describe the recklessness of Murray ‘mainlining’ propofol for cardioversion. Not even a day one intern right our of medical school would be so reckless and cavalier.
    The only thing more reckless than Murray’s conduct at Jackson’s home would have been to have taken Jackson up in a plane and pushed him out without a parachute.
    ‘Mainlining’ propofol along with Murray’s failure to provide child support for the multiple illegitimate children he has fathered with multiple women & his long history of failure to honor other financial obligations leads me to reassess my diagnosis of Murray’s personality.
    Murray is the ‘poster child’ for Sociopaths of America.
    He is not an ignorant fool but a person who does not think the norms of behavior apply to him.
    When he disclaims responsibility for the death of Michael Jackson, it is the sociopath speaking who is convinced of his own words and clearly believes he will convince a jury as well.
    Another attempt to rehabilitate Murray’s image to the public included a release saying he had never been sued for malpractice. As if never being sued would be to give testimony to his wonderful doctoring. An informed listener should quickly recognize this record is a greater testimony to a sociopath’s slick talking, not to great doctoring.
    Do not believe a single Murray utterance that cannot be independently confirmed.
    Sadly, even if convicted and deprived of a license to practice medicine, Murray is unlikely to stop practicing. The rules just don’t apply to him, at least, in his mind anyway.

    I think this is the first time I realized that Dr. Murray was actually guilty of Second Degree Murder not just involuntary manslaughter.He was a seasoned veteran in the use of Propofol not a novice in over his head when he took the job. The fact that he was mainlining it for use in cardioversions for years prior to meeting Michael makes everything very different.He absolutely knew what he was doing and he did it anyway. That is intent.Intent makes it murder.
    I researched the use of propofol in cardioversions and all article recommend a bolus inject and then an IV drip. Not at anytime is propofol mainlined into a vein. What is meant by mainlining is just what the public sees when a movie or television show enacts a junkie drawing up a drug into a needle and then using a tourniquet to access that vein and shoots the drug into the vein. It should be remembered that Murray is among other things a licensensed Doctor. If I were one of the people that he did this too I would be on my knees thanking God I was still alive.
    This revelation that he mainlined propofol during cardioversions further proves that he wasn’t even a good or even adequate Cardiologist. A cardioversion has to be done at precisely the right moment to prevent stopping the heart. I think he was mainlining it to stop the heart before he did the cardioversion because in the lower right hand side of the propofol package insert is another warning that rapid administration may cause cardiac arrest, in other words it could stop the heart. I think he used propofol to stop the hearts of these people and then restarted them with the external defibulator.It is possible that he was “cheating” the proceedure by stopping the heart. It looks to me like he had no concern about a patient for a very long time and that is a sociopathic doctor one who was looking for the glory that “saving” a life gives them.It is called “The God Complex” look it up.
    The article recites the fact that AEG not providing the neccessary equipment to Murray also implies guilt. First Michael was under duress and his signature would have been invalidated. He was under duress due to the threat of losing his livelyhood if and when he failed to attend rehearsals and performances, his main source of income was the Sony/ATV Michael Jackson catalogue and they held it as collateral. He would have been broke if he did not fulfill his obligations or so he was led to believe.
    The most important fact is the contract itself. It was with Murray independent from Michael, Michael did not have to sign it to make it legal. Murray assumed that the contract was going to be signed and delivered and so commenced his deadly treatment of Michael on the assurances that were outlined in the emails from AEG to Murray and back again.

    http://www.prerogativechambers.com/2011/07/08/justice-in-the-face-of-high-profile-cases-the-people-of-the-state-of-california-v-conrad-murray-md-the-michael-jackson-saga/

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  245. September 11, 2011 9:38 pm

    “it is good to offer a different perspective.”

    Agree. I am actually thankful to you for your criticism as it allowed me to express my own thoughts. This post did not cover a half of what I wanted to say.

    “As for finding the receipts we will know about this in court.”

    Yes, we will. Now we will know what to look for and this information will hopefully not go unnoticed.

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  246. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 9:17 pm

    “Secondly, you expect too much of me in respect of tangible evidence. It is not enough for you that I am showing you the direction in which to look but you also want receipts from me. If I could provide you with the receipts paid by AEG what will police investigators do? And is it possible to find all those receipts in AEG’s archives now?” – VMJ

    Helena, I don’t expect you to provide me the receipts. How could I? I was not directing the question towards you per se, but rather at the argument in the lawsuit (which was not filed by you). I purposely chose to look at the logic in JJ’s lawsuit, because I find it interesting. You have said not to focus on Joe’s lawsuit, but on AEG’s accountability in Michael’s death, but the two are not mutally exclusive. I am not trying to be difficult, but people do not always analyze information the same way, and it is good to offer a different perspective.

    As for finding the receipts we will know about this in court. Murray was the one who purchase the propofol; therefore, the lab/pharmacy will have paper/electronic trails of the invoices with how he paid for it. Cash, Credit Card, purchase orders etc. I have not even gotten into who cost the transportation and storage of the propofol. These are the facts that I am looking for before I can definitively say AEG knew. I hope you understand where I am coming from.

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  247. September 11, 2011 8:42 pm

    From the second part of the lawsuit it is put forward that AEG knew Conrad Murray was giving MJ propofol, and are accomplices in Michael Jackson’s death. Here is where the logic falls apart for me: Joe Jackson is using the date of Murray’s employment, the date of the first propofol purchase, and an email date as the proof of AEG’s knowledge. The problem I have with that is, it is not PROOF. I require something more tangible. For AEG to know about the Propofol and to pay for it Murray would’ve had to submit receipts. Does AEG have such receipts? Furthermore, did AEG’s accountants sign a purchase order with an itemize for propofol? We know Murray was stockpiling the drug to take to London, so where does it show AEG was paying for this anesthetic? Show me the money.

    Teva, firstly, Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is only a supplement to what I have written. I expressed my own views in this post and I don’t understand why you choose only J.Jackson’s lawsuit out of the whole thing. The reason why I provided it was mostly the account of that Riot act which is very detailed there and is otherwise difficult to find. If you provide me with the text of the riot act I will gladly substitute it for Joe Jackson’s pages and close the subject.

    Secondly, you expect too much of me in respect of tangible evidence. It is not enough for you that I am showing you the direction in which to look but you also want receipts from me. If I could provide you with the receipts from AEG’s accountants what will police investigators do? And is it possible to find all those receipts in AEG’s archives now?

    The list of Murray’s expenses (covered by AEG) attached to Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is proof enough for me that they were paying for everything Murray was doing. Of course I cannot guarantee that Joe Jackson’s Exhibit D is genuine, but information about Murray’s extremely difficult financial situation indirectly proves that the expenses were indeed covered by someone else, not him. You think it wasn’t AEG? And who else then if Murray was factually in their employment and they promised to supply him with all those things?

    Here is the next problem I have with the lawsuit .“However, AEG continue to fail to provide Murray with Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation equipment or a nurse knowing the failure to do so constituted a reckless endangerment and unreasonable risk to Michael Jackson’s life.” – JJ lawsuit. If you have not given sufficient evidence to prove AEG knew about the propofol then this argument is shaky. Furthermore, let’s pretend they did know and the equipment was present Michael still may have died because propofol is not to be used for insomnia, and instead of arguing that the life saving equipment was NOT present he would have argued it was provided to aid in reckless practices. This is a no win situation; heads I win tails you lose!

    We are not discussing here whether Joe Jackson will lose or win the case. We are discussing AEG’s role in this matter and the fact that AEG is lying about certain things. And they are lying about that equipment – they knew they were to supply it and didn’t do it, so are partially to blame for what happened in that room.

    Let us make one point clear – propofol is widely used in a hospital setting and not a single patient has died of it. BECAUSE THERE IS LIFE-SAVING EQUIPMENT THERE. If the equipment had been there Michael had every chance to survive any respiration problem he had (of course only in case Murray had been attentive to his patient). So if we were to calculate the guilt of each of them we would have to divide it 50%-50% between AEG and Murray.

    Murray was grossly negligent for not taking care of his patient and AEG was grossly negligent for not providing the equipment which could have brought the patient back to life.

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  248. September 11, 2011 7:50 pm

    Please do not delete anything. Readers read the comments and the answers and they judge themselves.

    MOA, thanks – I won’t though now I understand that I should have rephrased certain things. At the moment, for technical reasons, I cannot update the post anyway!

    As to analyzing AEG’s contract I’m sure that readers will eventually be able to realise what’s what even without my help. I am just trying to speed things up as this information should be posted before the trial starts. That is why I am in a terrible hurry and don’t answer any other comments at the moment (sorry!).

    As I say the knowledge of AEG’s plans towards Michael is totally indispensable background information without which it is impossible to understand the situation as a whole. Murray was in AEG’s employment and was ultimately doing what they expected of him. So getting to the bottom of it is an absolute must. If I am not able to do myself I hope some of my thoughts will trigger off a chain of thoughts of other people and jointly we will get to the truth.

    There might be much more to it than what we are currently discussing. There might have been not one but two people in Michael’s room at that time, as Murray’s girlfriend said in her testimony she heard muted voices in the background. We still need to learn why Michael was not in his usual bedroom but found in another one. We need to recollect what Nicky said about the big amount of urine in his bladder which testifies to the fact that he had been asleep by several hours by the time of his death – people cannot fall asleep with their bladder full – and this means that Murray is lying that Michael was awake until 10 o’clock in the morning.

    In short there are still many things to look into but their interpretation is impossible without understanding AEG’s role in it. If we overlook it we will simply not see an elephant in the room.

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  249. September 11, 2011 7:02 pm

    “Murray was the medical professional. He knew that whatever happened to HIS patient under HIS care would fall on HIM. He was under no obligation whatsoever to use Propofol as a sleep agent especially without CPR equipment or assistance which he knew was dangerous. AEG couldn’t make him do anything he didn’t want to do.”

    No, they couldn’t. It was solely his fault and he should answer for it. Murray’s guilt is clear to me and (I hope) to everyone – that is why I am not talking about him specifically. I have already expressed my opinion of Murray in my previous post about doctors in MJ’s life. But this post is about AEG and them using Murray as their tool.

    How propofol came into this picture still remains to be seen and the trial will tell us more about it. What I want everyone to understand is that there was a BACKGROUND to the tragedy which took place on June 25, 2009. If it weren’t for that background the tragedy would not have taken place.

    AEG wanted a pretext for finding fault with Michael in order to apply sanctions to him. These sanctions allowed them to immediately demand repayment of the WHOLE sum of the advances and gave him only a few days to settle the problem. If he didn’t pay them, he was obliged to pass over all assets to AEG (of course if we consider their contract valid which I do not).

    AEG was building up pressure on Michael and were looking for the first possibility to create a pretext for introducing sanctions. After that riot act they imposed on Michael the situation was reduced to one thing only – if he didn’t appear at the rehearsal at least once – or on June 26, 2009 – they said they would pull the plug.

    It should still be verified whether they had the right to make all those demands of Michael – most probably they DID NOT – but as a result of their demands Michael’s stress became almost unbearable. It was possibly this stress which didn’t allow him to fall asleep even despite all that medicine Murray gave him. According to Murray’s testimony Michael repeated again and again that he was to be at the rehearsal the next day. It is extremely painful to hear him being so worried about it…..

    The pressure AEG put him under was the direct reason why the tragedy took place. This makes both Murray and AEG guilty like hell – only they are guilty of different things. And frankly, I don’t know whose guilt is heavier.

    P.S. Craig, thank you for correcting my spelling.

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  250. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 6:26 pm

    From the second part of the lawsuit it is put forward that AEG knew Conrad Murray was giving MJ propofol, and are accomplices in Michael Jackson’s death. Here is where the logic falls apart for me: Joe Jackson is using the date of Murray’s employment, the date of the first propofol purchase, and an email date as the proof of AEG’s knowledge. The problem I have with that is, it is not PROOF. I require something more tangible. For AEG to know about the Propofol and to pay for it Murray would’ve had to submit receipts. Does AEG have such receipts? Furthermore, did AEG’s accountants sign a purchase order with an itemize for propofol? We know Murray was stockpiling the drug to take to London, so where does it show AEG was paying for this anesthetic? Show me the money.

    Here is the next problem I have with the lawsuit .

    “However, AEG continue to fail to provide Murray with Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation equipment or a nurse knowing the failure to do so constituted a reckless endangerment and unreasonable risk to Michael Jackson’s life.” – JJ lawsuit

    If you have not given sufficient evidence to prove AEG knew about the propofol then this argument is shaky. Furthermore, let’s pretend they did know and the equipment was present Michael still may have died because propofol is not to be used for insomnia, and instead of arguing that the life saving equipment was NOT present he would have argued it was provided to aid in reckless practices. This is a no win situation; heads I win tails you lose!

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  251. MOA permalink
    September 11, 2011 5:23 pm

    @VMJ “I’ll delete it altogether if it is such a big problem.”
    Please do not delete anything. Readers read the comments and the answers and they judge themselves.

    “This is the only real problem I am facing – in order to be able to understand FACTS you need to learn the language and rules of business contracts first. And I am not sure that Michael’s supporters are ready to do it.”
    Michael’s supporters are ready to go as far as it needs. Please take us wherever we have to go and be.

    It seems that everyone is used to simple answers only while what I need is a conscious effort on their part to really try and understand.”
    It’s very hard to find a common ground but I assure you we will find it after some efforts.

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  252. Craig permalink
    September 11, 2011 4:45 pm

    “What I am saying here is that Conrad Murray is only a stalking horse and the real culprit is sitting quietly and watching.”

    So you aren’t diminishing his role but you dismiss him as ‘ONLY a stalking horse’ while the “real culprit is sitting quietly and watching”. How you know that i have no idea….

    Again, Murray was the medical professional. He knew that whatever happened to HIS patient under HIS care would fall on HIM. He was under no obligation whatsoever to use Propofol as a sleep agent especially without CPR equipment or assistance which he knew was dangerous. AEG couldn’t make him do anything he didn’t want to do.

    I also don’t think anyone has suggested that AEG introduced Propofol into the equation or forced it on either Murray or Michael.

    Although, I can picture Murray use some variation of this argument; blaming AEG as he begs for clemency during the penalty phase.

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  253. September 11, 2011 1:53 pm

    “AEG had doubts going into this deal about Michael’s ability to pull this off, but they were willing to risk it (or pretend to) given the right set of circumstances. The right circumstances being that they would be almost guaranteed to reap a fortune should he fail to deliver”.

    Cassaundra, you are absolutely right. They were pressurizing him in every direction possible for him to fail to deliver. More concerts were added, demands that he should attend every rehearsal were made even if he hadn’t slept the whole night before that.

    The riot act finally said that if one more rehearsal was missed they would “pull the plug”. What it means I don’t know but can suppose that it is either cancelling the shows (which is unlikely) or enforcing the penalty clauses of the contract (which is far more likely).

    The latter automatically meant that Michael was to return the advances – which he could not do and so was to pass over to AEG his rights to all his assets. Most probably he would have had to go on with the shows anyway, only this time as a total beggar. He himself would not have wanted to let his fans down and would have had to continue…. I must remember to check up the contract with AEG for one point – if they demanded that Michael should pay all the advances even after the penalty (passing over all his assets) came into effect, it means they wanted him to work for them until he paid out all those advances too.

    “So they went about the business of amaking that virtually a given; adding shows on top of shows and adding clauses whereby he had to do a certain amont in a leg before being compensated. Total bullshit. Accepting photocopied signatures as binding. Never heard of that before. Not for a contract of this magnitude.”

    This is why it is so interesting to compare AEG’s contract with Murray and the same AEG’s contract with MJ. What is freely allowed in MJ’s contract (photocopies of signatures) is absolutely ruled out in Murray’s contract! It means that AEG does not how to make contracts, only for MJ they made an exception and willfully broke all those rules!

    “That contract in my opinion was crap. Too many loopholes in it. Too much weight bearing on Michael’s assets. Too many demands in their favor and too few to protect Michael’s interest.”

    RIGHT!

    “When I read this piece of crap which was obvioulsy written to benefit AEG who as far as I know might very well have been in cahoots with Sony, I saw red! It so infuriated me that Tohme Tohme as Michael’s manager, allowed this. Then it hit me. He wasn’t doing anything for Michael Jackson, this was also a way to line his own pockets as well.”

    I don’t know whether AEG was in cahoots with Sony – they probably were but at the moment we have no proof of it. The fact that Sony later bought AEG’s footage of the rehearsals is no argument – AEG was a seller and the one who offered a bigger price was the one who got it. This way an ordinary buyer in a shop will be considered in cahoots with the producer if he buys their product.

    But who was surely in cahoots with AEG is Tohme Tohme. He said it himself that he was the main negotiator in that project, so it was him who negotiated all those slavery terms for Michael! And if you add to it that he was the one who handled all correspondence and sent by fax all Michael’s “consents” with a photocopy of his signature, we can safely say that Tohme was in full cooperation with AEG and was working AGAINST Michael’s interests.

    “I don’t for one second believe that AEG did not play a hand in this or that they were “in the dark” about EXACTLY what was going on because I feel that they planned it to a science”.

    Their plan was pressurizing Michael and Murray was an admirable way of doing it. You can imagine how “well” Murray was doing it if he gave a lecture even to Kenny Ortega. Ortega saw that Michael was unwell and sent him home and Murray practically said to him that it was none of his business. If Murray talked that way to Ortega HOW DID HE TALK TO MICHAEL?

    And after that AEG says that Michael had the right to “decide he didn’t need Murray’s services”? Probably he had it, but what of this right if AEG was not going to fire him anyway? In fact they didn’t even have to fire him because they say they never employed him! But if they never employed why did Murray talk to Ortega (who spoke in Michael’s favor) in such an authoritative way?

    From the above conflict of interests you can see for yourself that AEG created a situation where even their own story does not have a leg to stand on. They say Murray was not even in their employment – meaning that he was in Michael’s employment (?) – so why did Murray speak so rudely to the only person who supported Michael at the moment?

    And if Murray was not in AEG’s employment how could they insist that Murray should accompany Michael to every rehearsal then? Can you insist that X should do what you tell him to do if this X is not working for you?

    They are cowards and liars. And I hope that it’s all brought out in the trial. If Conrad Murray still possesses any backbone and/or balls, he’d better sing like a canary. If he doesn’t then I hope they throw the book at him.

    Yes, if Murray still has any brains in his head he should sing like a canary at the trial. All he needs is a little courage to tell the truth. In fact he will be a complete fool and total scum of the earth if he doesn’t do it.

    Big money equals big motives and losing Michael Jackson was the last straw.

    Yes, losing Michael was the last straw. It is the Heavens who should have their say now. Let us all pray for it.

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  254. September 11, 2011 12:18 pm

    “I have been screaming this since day one. On June 25, 2009 when that headline ran across my t.v. screen, my initial reaction was they killed him. those were my first thoughts, words, screams. They. No he. And the more I delved into this farce of a deal that they had going with Michael, the more that reverberated in my mind and my heart. AEG are as much or more responsible for the events that led to Michael’s death than Murray himself, though he actualy did the deed.”

    ABSOLUTELY!

    It is as clear to me as night and day. They used Dr. Mrray and his financial situation as well as possibly a bit of greed to get done what they did not want to do themselves. hen they used him and their expert lying and business skills as the scapegoats to avoid any responsibility for it.

    Yes, it is clear like day and night. The only thing we don’t know at the moment is whether his death was their aim in the project. MOST PROBABLY NOT as the contract opens two other lucrative possibilities for AEG – 1) obtaining all Michael’s assets through a string of penalties for so-called infringements of their contract and 2) turning Michael into a live-long slave of theirs who would give concerts around the world till the end of his life bringing to AEG enormous profits on the way. THIS WAS THEIR REAL GOAL.

    All they needed to do was aggravating the situation and bringing it to a boiling point when they would have some PRETEXT for “pulling the plug” (which they actually already said during the riot act) and then Michael would have had to return all the advances given to him. Considering that they gave him 1) his own advance and 2) advances for producing the show it must have been a really HUGE SUM which Michael was physically unable to return.

    And under their ‘contract’ if he didn’t return them , AEG was to immediately obtain all assets of his company as a “compensation”. It remains to be seen what MJ company LLC had at that moment, but it does not really matter because under the same contract AEG was receiving the right to litigate on his part and claim all future Michael’s assets too – in fact, EVERYTHING he ever had or would have in the future.

    Michael’s death was not AEG’s purpose – their purpose was to drive him into a corner so that he couldn’t fulfil his obligations. They simply “overdid” it in pressurizing the situation and faced a problem they didn’t envisage.

    And Murray was simply their tool for pressurizing Michael.

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  255. September 11, 2011 11:57 am

    AEG has indeed told may lies about events surrounding “This Is It” as you’ve written here and elsewhere…HOWEVER, I think you’re trying a bit too hard to diminish Conrad Murray role in Michael’s death. If anything this article makes him look even guiltier.

    WHAT? I am trying to dimish Murray’s role? Of course he is guilty like hell because no doctor should listen to what others tell him to do! All doctors give an oath that their patients’ interests are the only interests they will follow! When Nazi told their doctors to make experiments on people in their concentration camps the fact that doctors received orders did not release them of their own guilt!

    What I am saying here is that Conrad Murray is only a stalking horse and the real culprit is sitting quietly and watching.

    “Yes, Murray was under tremendous financial pressures – but he still had free will. HE didn’t have to put his patient – or his “friend”‘s life a risk the way he did.”

    ABSOLUTELY. But it doesn’t release those who were manipulating him of their guilt either.

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  256. September 11, 2011 11:26 am

    “Most of the jobs I know usually have a confidentially clause written in, my job has one and I am no doctor.”

    Teva, forget about that confidentiality clause if it blocks you from understanding everything else written in this post. I’ll delete it altogether if it is such a big problem.

    “We are each entitled to our own opinion, but I think Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is shaky”.

    I am beginning to wish I had never posted references to Joe Jackson’s suit and referred only to Murray’s contract with AEG instead. Should I explain again and again that Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is precious to us not because of itself, but BECAUSE IT HAS MURRAY’S CONTRACT ATTACHED TO IT? I was analyzing Murray’s contract and surprisingly, found that Joe Jackson and Brian Oxman were making correct conclusions from it!

    Being an honest person I decided not to dance about it and state this fact clearly – yes, I AGREE with the conclusions Joe Jackson and Brian Oxman are making about the role of AEG, even despite who these two people are! And it does not mean that I like Joseph more after that because his cruelty to Michael when he was a boy is unforgivable. But over here he is right!

    “In which case how do you explain that nurse Cherylee said in 2009 Michael had ask about propofol as a sleep aid.”

    And what do her words have to do with AEG’s role I am analyzing here? There will probably be a time for us to see what she said and why, but to me it is clear even without her that Michael had a terrible problem with sleep, and what was more or less passable while he was not giving concerts became a REAL PROBLEM when he signed himself up for the shows.

    In short he could afford not to sleep when in a less strenuous regimen, but he could not when he had to do concerts!

    And the number of concerts was crucial here too. And it was AEG again which – probably due to their infinite greed or other reasons – increased the number to 50 thus subjecting Michael to an incredible stress! Can anyone do 50 shows without sleeping? AEG didn’t give a damn for Michael and whether he could do it or not!

    And as regards Propofol I am not inclined to find Michael’s guilt in it. All he wanted was SLEEP and it was DOCTORS who could not help him. It is a question to doctors and not Michael Jackson – why didnt’ they find another method of ensuring his sleep? If they had found something else he would have been happy to go for it!

    Doctors can be very cruel sometimes by saying that cannot help and “you have to live with your insomnia”, thus leaving the patient alone with his problem. THEY can sure say “it was a crazy thing to do” because they were not to give 50 concerts every other day and at the age of 50 too!

    I think the lack of adequate legal counsel on the part of Michael Jackson allowed AEG to write a contract skewed in their favour, and Michael’s depleted/ing resources was a clear factor in his signing.

    That contract is not simply skewed in their favour – it is an intentional fraud. In my whole life I have NEVER seen a contract so terrible in content and its form. It is intentionally turned into a riddle where you cannot believe a single point of it because in some God forsaken attachment with no date or signature on it you will find a complete opposite of what the “main thing” says. But the problem is that to be able to explain it to my readers I will have to post the whole of the contract here and analyze each of its sentences one by one.

    This is the only real problem I am facing – in order to be able to understand FACTS you need to learn the language and rules of business contracts first. And I am not sure that Michael’s supporters are ready to do it. It seems that everyone is used to simple answers only while what I need is a conscious effort on their part to really try and understand.

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  257. September 11, 2011 10:42 am

    “I don’t understand why this is any different from the employment confidentiality contracts Michael had his employees sign. The reasons are not always nefarious, but more as a cautionary device to prevent the greed in persons from writing books and tabloid selling. Such a contract would never be used as a block to testimony in a court of law because it would be considered obstruction.”

    I personally have never seen any confidentiality contract Michael signed with his employees. All I can compare Murray’s contract with is the settlement agreement Michael signed with the Chandlers. And I remember there several points saying that the Chandlers were not resticted to speak up in court if need be. All I expected to see in Murray’s contract is a simple sentence like that, but it is missing there.

    It might have been an oversight on the part of AEG, so I am ready to take this point away from the post. It is not that important as it won’t change the whole picture of outrageous lies told by AEG on other occasions.

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  258. September 11, 2011 10:34 am

    “Okay, but how do you explain that it was Michael who brought Murray into the picture. Michael knew Murray from 2007. I believe it was AEG that hired Murray on Michael’s request.”

    I am not going to explain it because I don’t know whether it is correct or not. It is what Randy Phillips told you and this post proves that he told numerous lies concerning other things. This is enough reason for me not to believe what he is saying.

    At the moment all talk about “who brought whom” will be mere speculation. And I am not involved in speculation here – it is documents and facts that I am analysing. Facts are more or less known to everyone and it is putting them into a logical chain which is important.

    As regards hiring Murray I very much wonder why Michael approached Dr. David Adams and Dr. Adams even agreed to accompany Michael on a tour, but NO ONE contacted him after that. This fact is really meaningful as it proves that Michael wanted someone else even when having Murray!

    And this means that even in case he brought Murray in, he was also the one who wanted to change him.

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  259. September 11, 2011 10:17 am

    The older I get the slower i must be becoming because I don’t get it. Why should AEG supply medical equipment to Murray to aid in his madness?

    WHY is a question we still need to answer. What Murray’s contract with AEG irrevocably proves is that AEG WAS TO supply that equipment and was to do it from the very start of that “treatment”. This is an undisputable fact, there is no question about it.

    “For AEG to supply him CPR equipment, oxymeter, oxygen etc willfully is aiding and abetting to the crime Murray now stands trial for”.

    ABSOLUTELY. That’s the point.

    If one wants to make the argument that had the equipment been present Michael would still be alive to me is still wrong because the foundation is egregious -, propofol should never have been in the picture.

    Whether it should or it should not is not the point, we are talking about FACTS and the facts show that AEG KNEW on May 1, 2009 that resuscitation equipment, needles, catheters, and a nurse who would attend to all those things WERE REQUIRED for Murray’s “treatment”. And since this type of equipment and care is not an everyday thermometer, it points to AEG’s knowledge of what went on.

    When Michael Jackson died the furthest caused of death on anyones mind was propofol intoxification. It is such an extreme (even too mild) probability to guess it would be like the Earth being swallow by a black hole – it could happen, but the probability of guessing it astronomical. In all honesty I don’t see how AEG could make the connection that asking for this equipment meant administering propofol? I don’t get it.

    And what other kind of treatment requires resuscitation equipment close at hand? Okay, if it is a performance a heart attack can suddenly take place, so for the London performances it was more or less okay, especially if the equipment was installed somewhere in the O2 Arena. But why have it since the beginning of May when there were no concerts yet? And why have it in Michael Jackson’s HOME? (Murray was asked to attend the rehearsals only much later, previously he was to render his services only in Michael’s house).

    And the fact that they COVERED ALL MURRAY’S MEDICAL EXPENSES proves (though indirectly) that AEG KNEW what kind of medicines he was buying. Due to his financail situation HE SIMPLY COULD NOT BUY PROPOFOL HIMSELF!

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  260. September 11, 2011 9:59 am

    “I too ask myself a few question: How did AEG, Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson paths cross? It appears to me Michael asked AEG to hire Conrad Murray, and not AEG bringing Murray into Michael’s life.”

    Teva, what does it matter who brought Murray into Michael’s life??? If we are to talk about this point it was JOSEPH JACKSON who brought Murray into Michael’s life! Harvey Levin of TMZ spoke about it with Arnold Klein and both of them said that it was Joe Jackson who brought Murray and Michael together. They even specified that it was in October 2008.

    We are not talking about simple things like who took someone’s hand and brought X to Y. We are talking about the documents which show WHO had WHAT interests and consequently WHAT MOTIVES. And when you know the real motives of people you begin understanding why they behave like this or that.

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  261. September 11, 2011 9:52 am

    “Jo Jackson and Brian Oxman together, enough said.”

    It is time Jackson’s supporters started realizing that even the highly unlikely people may be hitting the nail on the head. There is no direct correlation – “what a friend thinks is always the truth or is correct” and “a foe always tells a lie or makes a mistake”. Foes may be shrewd while friends may be not. What we are trying to do here is fishing out facts and fishing them out from everyone.

    My special focus is on the documents. Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is helpful as it provides Murray’s contract and all conclusions derived here are derived from that contract, not Joe Jackson’s suit.

    However this is a rare case when Joe Jackson in his amended part of the suit is getting closer to the truth. The first part of the suit is more of a trash as it contains mistakes and Joe’s fantasies about his son being an addict. He wasn’t.

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  262. Craig permalink
    September 11, 2011 9:45 am

    AEG has indeed told may lies about events surrounding “This Is It” as you’ve written here and elsewhere…HOWEVER, I think you’re trying a bit too hard to diminish Conrad Murray role in Michael’s death. If anything this article makes him look even guiltier.

    Yes, Murray was under tremendous financial pressures – but he still had free will. HE didn’t have to put his patient – or his “friend”‘s life a risk the way he did.

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  263. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 8:08 am

    “For me the connecting dot to murder or conspiracy by AEG has been made.” = “For me the connecting dot to murder or conspiracy by AEG has not been made. ”

    correction.

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  264. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 8:03 am

    Most of the jobs I know usually have a confidentially clause written in, my job has one and I am no doctor.

    We are each entitled to our own opinion, but I think Joe Jackson’s lawsuit is shaky. I am not sure if it is saying Michael was being force to go along with Murray & AEG propofol treatment, or something else. In which case how do you explain that nurse Cherylee said in 2009 Michael had ask about propofol as a sleep aid.

    I think the lack of adequate legal counsel on the part of Michael Jackson allowed AEG to write a contract skewed in their favour, and Michael’s depleted/ing resources was a clear factor in his signing. For me the connecting dot to murder or conspiracy by AEG has been made. I think Murray and Michael came up with the propofol use as sleep-aid. Ultimately Murray has to bear the brunt of the partnership because if I gave my BFF a gun and told her to shoot me and she did, and I die it is her fault. I know it is not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the point.

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  265. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 7:29 am

    “9. “survive any termination and expiration of the Term of this Agreement and may be enforced by … legal remedies without the necessity of .. proving inadequacy of legal remedies and without proving that Producer… would suffer irreparable harm as a result of a violation of such confidentiality obligation”.”

    I don’t understand why this is any different from the employment confidentiality contracts Michael had his employees sign. The reasons are not always nefarious, but more as a cautionary device to prevent the greed in persons from writing books and tabloid selling. Such a contract would never be used as a block to testimony in a court of law because it would be considered obstruction.

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  266. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 7:08 am

    “Surprisingly but recently we received confirmation that Michael did indeed want another doctor instead of or in addition to Contrad Murray. In an interview with TMZ both Harvey Levin and Dr. Arnold Klein mentioned that Michael was looking for an anesthesiologist some two weeks before his death. To Klein this information does’t make sense but to me it does – AEG provided a doctor from their side, while Michael wanted his, the one he could trust and who was professional in administering his unfortunate sleeping aid:”

    Okay, but how do you explain that it was Michael who brought Murray into the picture. Michael knew Murray from 2007. I believe it was AEG that hired Murray on Michael’s request.

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  267. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 6:49 am

    The older I get the slower i must be becoming because I don’t get it. Why should AEG supply medical equipment to Murray to aid in his madness? Dr. Murray had no business administering propofol to Michael Jackson period. For AEG to supply him CPR equipment, oxymeter, oxygen etc willfully is aiding and abetting to the crime Murray now stands trial for.

    If one wants to make the argument that had the equipment been present Michael would still be alive to me is still wrong because the foundation is egregious -, propofol should never have been in the picture.

    When Michael Jackson died the furthest caused of death on anyones mind was propofol intoxification. It is such an extreme (even too mild) probability to guess it would be like the Earth being swallow by a black hole – it could happen, but the probability of guessing it astronomical. In all honesty I don’t see how AEG could make the connection that asking for this equipment meant administering propofol? I don’t get it.

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  268. September 11, 2011 6:19 am

    I have been screaming this since day one. On June 25, 2009 when that headline ran across my t.v. screen, my initial reaction was they killed him. those were my first thoughts, words, screams. They. No he. And the more I delved into this farce of a deal that they had going with Michael, the more that reverberated in my mind and my heart. AEG are as much or more responsible for the events that led to Michael’s death than Murray himself, though he actualy did the deed.

    It is as clear to me as night and day. They used Dr. Mrray and his financial situation as well as possibly a bit of greed to get done what they did not want to do themselves. hen they used him and their expert lying and business skills as the scapegoats to avoid any responsibility for it.

    As an outsider looking in, it is clear. Though I could in no way have put this together so eloquently and strategically, it says exactly what I believe. AEG had doubts going into this deal about Michael’s ability to pull this off, but they were willing to risk it (or pretend to) given the right set of circumstances. The right circumstances being that they would be almost guaranteed to reap a fortune should he fail to deliver. So they went about the business of amaking that virtually a given; adding shows on top of shows and adding clauses whereby he had to do a certain amont in a leg before being compensated. Total bullshit. Accepting photocopied signatures as binding. Never heard of that before. Not for a contract of this magnitude.

    That contract in my opinion was crap. Too many loopholes in it. Too much weight bearing on Michael’s assets. Too many demands in their favor and too few to protect Michael’s interest. Though I don’t know anything whatsoever abuot contract law, when I read this piece of crap which was obvioulsy written to benefit AEG who as far as I know might very well have been in cahoots with Sony, I saw red! It so infuriated me that Tohme Tohme as Michael’s manager, allowed this. Then it hit me. He wasn’t doing anything for Michael Jackson, this was also a way to line his own pockets as well.

    I don’t for one second believe that AEG did not play a hand in this or that they were “in the dark” about EXACTLY what was going on because I feel that they planned it to a science. They are cowards and liars. And I hope that it’s all brought out in the trial. If Conrad Murray still possesses any backbone and/or balls, he’d better sing like a canary. If he doesn’t then I hope they throw the book at him.

    I’ve only half read this report but had to stop in mid-sentence and say this. Why should AEG with all their riches and all their power be able to sit back and go scotch free? Laughing at the ignorant, incompetent doctor whose career they’ve also destroyed. They don’t care nothing about Michael Jackson. He was just another fish to them. A big one. We’ve got to get past thinking inside the box, and go way out of bounds like they did. If they are innocent, then dammit prove it! Big money equals big motives and losing Michael Jackson was the last straw.

    Sorry for ranting, but I’ve got to call it as I see it.

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  269. Teva permalink
    September 11, 2011 6:09 am

    I too ask myself a few question: How did AEG, Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson paths cross?

    It appears to me Michael asked AEG to hire Conrad Murray, and not AEG bringing Murray into Michael’s life.

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  270. TatumMarie permalink
    September 11, 2011 5:28 am

    Jo Jackson and Brian Oxman together, enough said.

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  271. September 10, 2011 7:47 pm

    Dear readers,

    This post has been fully updated now. What you have read earlier was a draft only which due to some technical difficulties could not be properly updated. Now it has been corrected and taking this opportunity I also added some of my thoughts and conclusions. Not many, as it is too early to pass any final judgement, but I hope you will agree that the picture is getting clearer every day.

    I will be really thankful to you if you read the final version of this post once again.

    Yours,
    Helena

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  272. September 10, 2011 4:36 am

    Honestly, Michael wearing heavy clothes is due to the freezing stage room which is done because of all the electrical equipment. I, myself, who is always hot, have to wear a heavy jacket when on sets.Let’s ignore the fact that some of his dancers are wearing jackets, if you look at the Bad tour footage Michael is dressed similar to TII, and also has on a winter coat.

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  273. September 9, 2011 8:46 pm

    Among the documents attached to Joe Jackson’s suit there is a document called “County of Los Angeles, Deparment of Coroner Investigator’s Narrative”.

    The “Scene Description” of the place where Michael Jackson died surprised me by one fact – it turns out that Michael was found not in his usual bedroom but in another one. It says that “his usual bedroom was down the hall”. It may or may not be anything meaningful, but I hear about it for the first time:

    “The decedent’s residence is a trwo-story mansion located in Bel-Air on a quiet residential street. The home is clean and well-groomed. I observed the bedroom on the second floor of the home, to the right of the top of the staircase. Reportedly, this is the bedroom where the decedent had been resting and entered cardiar arrest. His usual bedroom was down the hall“.

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  274. September 9, 2011 4:07 pm

    “I know you say Michael was the only one wearing heavy clothing during the rehearsals, but in the TII movie, you can clearly see that some of the dancers were wearing jackets, too, while others were not–or are my eyes deceiving me?”

    Taro Nuss, I am not saying that Michael was the only one wearing heavy clothing during the rehearsals. It was a quote from Joseph Jackson’s lawsuit (when I am back at my proper computer I’ll make a note to whom each quote refers) and is actually not that important.

    My post is about AEG and their non-stop lying about Michael. And also about the truth which we are slowly uncovering by taking off layer after layer of those lies.

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  275. Deborah Ffrench permalink
    September 9, 2011 2:32 pm

    Excellent post. And much to think about.

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  276. September 9, 2011 11:19 am

    “Great job Helena. Now that the jury pool have all been admonished we can blog to our hearts content about what really happened in that bedroom on June 25th,2009.”

    Lynette, thank you! But now that I’ve updated the post it has disappeared from public view again! I apologize to our readers for all these technical problems and am asking my co-eds to correct the situation.

    The update was an important one. Here it is:

    *A small correction should be made to the term “Assured” under a Lloyds Insurance Policy.

    Technically speaking the term included both AEG and Jackson LLC, however at the time of preparing the Policy Michael’s company was fully run by Dr.Tohme Tohme. This fact is clearly manifested not only by Michael’s own words that he was afraid of his manager who had full control over his business, but also by the AEG contract with MJ which is heavily biased in favor of Tohme.

    To show you the extent of Tohme’s power over Michael’s business affairs at the time here is an excerpt from the Lloyds’ policy which – as an exception – extended to include Dr. Tohme Tohme too!

    14. This Insurance extends to include the following Named Persons under the Named Person(s) Extension NMA 2845:
    Dr. T Tohme.

    Additional Named Persons to be notified to and agreed by the Insurer(s).

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  277. Taro Nuss permalink
    September 9, 2011 4:45 am

    I know you say Michael was the only one wearing heavy clothing during the rehearsals, but in the TII movie, you can clearly see that some of the dancers were wearing jackets, too, while others were not–or are my eyes deceiving me?

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  278. lynande51 permalink
    September 9, 2011 4:31 am

    Great job Helena. Now that the jury pool have all been admonished we can blog to our hearts content about what really happened in that bedroom on June 25th,2009.

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