Conrad Murray trial week 2. MICHAEL JACKSON’S TAPE and LAST MESSAGE TO US
Here is Michael Jackson’s dying message to the world
The fact that the message was taken on May 10, 2009 when Conrad Murray was routinely giving him propofol or something else to sleep – and was recording him at that – does not change anything.
Michael was falling asleep and that is why his voice sounds like he is passing away from us.
At moments like that people are unable to lie. They tell the truth only and speak of things which are most essential to them.
And in his dying hour Michael Jackson was speaking of the pain he was feeling for the world – for you, me, all of us – and our children who should be able to change it all.
His last thoughts were not about making millions – they were about giving them away for the biggest in the world hospital for children which would have a game room and a movie theatre so that children don’t feel depressed there.
He knew that joy for the children is their best remedy.
Before stepping into eternity he was still thinking of children’s well-being as his biggest dream. He understood them so well.
He was pure as a child. And he was talking about God.
MJ: Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go.Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world.” I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room. Children are depressed. The – in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
CM: I know you would.
MJ: Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with – we’ll talk about it. United States, Europe, Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave – a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me – please take me with you.
CM: Mmnh -mmnh.
MJ: I want to do that for them.
CM: Mmnh -mmnh.
MJ: I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal the World, We Are the World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know. I hurt.
(13 seconds: silence)
CM: You okay?
(8 seconds: silence)
MJ: I’m asleep.
I AM GONNA DO THAT FOR THEM!
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Half a day has passed since the shattering tape was played in the courtroom and its full text was uncovered to the world, but it is still not receiving even a fraction of the attention it deserves.
The media quotes only tiny pieces of the text accompanied by a heavily slanted comment or prefers to silence it altogether. No more gleeful CNN repetition of the tape every 5 minutes, no more Piers Morgan savoring his primitive and distasteful story four times a day, no more happy pundits popping up on the screen every half an hour to dirty Michael – no, everything is extremely modest, cold and meaning to imply that “it is is no longer the news”.
What is news to them is Steve Jobs’s death which serves as a pretext for forgetting about Michael Jackson’s tape. But this way they are showing us that their desire to bury Michael is so big that they are even ready to give up the golden opportunity of reporting an absolutely smashing link between these two pieces of news – I mean the iphone which was invented by Steve Jobs and the fact that it was exactly an iphone which allowed to extract Michael’s priceless recording and Murray’s correspondence with insurers and AEG on the day of Michael’s death.
The recording was retrieved at the end of July as a complete miracle – it was almost three months after the event (as it was recorded on May 10 but analyzed at the end of July) and restoring its data became possible only due to iphone’s unique possibilities of a small computer. One would think that Michael’s recording would be a perfect way to show Steve Jobs’s legacy at its best, but the media thinks different – they totally ignore this point though it is the most logical thing to speak of under the circumstances!
When Jane Velez-Mitchell couldn’t resist expressing her natural emotion upon hearing Michael’s tape and saying what she really thought about it ( that “maybe MJ fans were right all along and this man could never hurt a child and he was never a p-le”), she was immediately restrained by Stacy Brown who tweeted her that “she didn’t do their profession a service” – which literally means that telling the truth about Michael Jackson is doing a disservice to the media.
In other words they are now openly telling us that the only right thing for the media to do about Michael Jackson is to cover him with dirt, while everything else will be a “disservice” to their profession. This is no news to Michael’s supporters and it is only the openness with which it is being revealed now to the general public which is so surprising.
At least no one will be able to say now that the media has no agenda against Michael – it has become so obvious and even glaring that it is simply impossible not to notice it.
Michael’s tape is the biggest possible news ever. He is talking to us from behind the grave and is expressing his innermost thoughts which are revealed to us at a moment when people cannot lie in principle. The media twists and cuts it, misinterprets and gives all sorts of crazy explanations to it, speculates or squeezes out only drops of information from it – in short they are doing everything which is in their power, except the simplest and easiest thing to do which is providing the full text of it.
The reason for that is because Michael’s tape is so eye-opening an experience that it is capable to shatter within seconds the wall of lies mounted around Michael Jackson by generations of the tabloid media.
Here is the full text of it:
MJ: Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave the show, when people leave the show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world”. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. The – in those hospital, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
CM: I know you would.
MJ: Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with – we’ll talk about it. United States, Europe, Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave – a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me – please take me with you.
CM: Mmnh-mmnh.
MJ: I want to do that for them.
CM: Mmnh-Mmnh.
MJ: I’m gonna do that for them. They will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal the World, We are the World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
(13 seconds: silence)
CM: You okay?
(8 seconds: silence)
MJ: I am asleep.
Despite the fact that Michael’s message came to us in fragments it is still so deep and powerful that I don’t even venture to give my interpretation of it as any comment will fall short of the original.
All I can say is that those who were still in doubt as to his innocence can now safely come down on his side of the fence as under a deep sedation like that it is impossible to pretend or lie. Michael’s words were coming from the very deep of his subconscious mind and therefore expressed the very essence of his soul.
And Michael was talking about the world in general and not of his children only – he was talking about millions of children who will probably be able to save us from the state of total degradation we currently find ourselves in.
The world terribly let Michael down and he had no more hope in it, except the children and the next generation of people. He placed his last hopes in the hands of a doctor whom he evidently trusted as he shared his thoughts with him in the final moments of his conscious life. And this is what this doctor did to him.
Are we indeed hopeless?
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Day 5. September 3, 2009
This is a place to collect all information about week 2 in Conrad Murray’s trial. There is not much to write at the moment as we are still watching the testimonies. Please don’t support the tabloid media and go here for live stream of the trial: http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777
Since there is a small break now let me first post a piece about the testimony of paramedic Martin Blount, given on day 4 of the first week which we didn’t cover earlier (now this information has been added to the first post too).
It turns out that Martin Blount not only saw some vials scattered on the floor and saw Murray putting them into a bag, but he also saw that those three vials of lidocaine were open which can mean only one thing – that Murray used them!
Lidocaine goes together with propofol as it eases its burning sensation, so if he used three vials of lidocaine how much propofol did he use then?
The quote from http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/content/97/2/461.full shows that the ratio in which Lidocaine is mixed with Propofol is 10:1. And this means that if three vials of lidocaine were found open, the amount of propofol used should be ten times as much!
- Lidocaine is used to reduce pain associated with propofol injection, either mixed with propofol or preceding it as a separate injection. Mixing 20 mg of lidocaine with 200 mg of propofol is unlikely to affect the dose of propofol required for the induction of anesthesia.
“Los Angeles paramedic Martin Blount — who was among the responders to the 9/11 call on the day of Michael Jackson’s death — testified at the involuntary manslaughter of Dr. Conrad Murray on Friday that there were three open vials of the anesthetic lidocaine in Michael Jackson’s bedroom when they arrived at the scene.
Blount described how the vials were scattered on the floor of the room. He also testified that, when asked by fellow paramedic Richard Senneff about drugs that he administered to Jackson, he made mo mention of lidocaine.
Blount also testified that he saw Murray scoop up three of the bottles and put them into a black bag as they prepared to transport to the hospital.
According to Blount’s testimony, Murray was in a hectic state as emergency responders arrived in the bedroom.
“He was a little flustered; he was sweating profusely and he was agitated,” Blount told the court.
Blount described Jackson’s eyes as “fixed and dilated” when paramedics arrived.
“I felt he was dead, ma’am,” Blount told the prosecutor.
According to Blount, Murray made a phone call in the ambulance as they transported Jackson to the hospital at UCLA.
“It’s about Michael, and it doesn’t look good,” Blount recalled Murray saying.
http://www.mjlivesononline.com/news/conrad-murray-trial-day-4
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Another piece of news which we totally overlooked last week is a statement made by a former Deputy DA Hamid Towfigh who had an absolutely killing argument against the Defense theory – that MJ supposedly self-administered propofol.
Please watch the video of Jane Velez-Mitchell talking to Hamid Towfigh: http://www.examiner.com/jackson-family-in-national/former-la-deputy-da-hamid-towfigh-on-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-propofol-video
It is also interesting that what Hamid Towfigh says is very much in line with Martin Blount’s testimony about the three open vials of lidocaine. Here is my transcript of Hamid Towfigh’s words (please correct the mistakes if any):
Towfigh: In their opening statement of the defense they are telling us if their theory was based on self-injection or self-ingestion by swallowing the propofol. That’s very interesting. But under both reasons they’ll fail.
First of all propofol or deprivan is only vial available [ ] .. if you swallow propofol it will not cause the reaction of death. That’s in the medical literature, you can ask Dr. Sanjay Gupta about this.
Velez-Mitchell: What about Michael Jackson somehow making an injection or opening the drug?
Towhigh: This is not possible, because according to the Coroner’s report Michael Jackson had a general anesthesia level of propofol in his blood. If you ask anesthesiologists they’ll tell you it is about 200mg or higher of propofol. The syringes that were in the room of Michael Jackson were 10cc syringes which is the equivalent of 100mg. That means that he would have had to inject himself twice — 200 mg of propofol to get the levels that the coroners said he had.
That is not possible, because after the first dose that Michael Jackson supposedly gave himself, he would have passed out.
And besides propofol is a very painful drug. That’s why they mix it with lidocaine. Michael Jackson had lidocaine in his system. They mix propofol with it because when it goes into your body it’s very painful. So had Michael Jackson self-administered this (which he didn’t) he would have screamed [ ] and Conrad Murray would have heard him in the other room.
Velez-Mitchell: I think that what you are saying is brilliant. [ ] He had so much propofol in his system according to the autopsy report that it was enough for major surgery. He would have had to use two bottles [in a shot, drip or whatever]. And at the time of administering the first one he would have been knocked out so that he couldn’t have been awake to administer the second one. Is that what you are saying?
Towfigh: Exactly.
Velez-Mitchell: Wow!
Wow indeed! What a killing argument!
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Now it is time to go on with the trial. For anyone who couldn’t watch the testimonies on line here is an excellent blog called JustMeSTKK’s Channel (recommended to us by Deborah Ffrench, thank you) which makes daily recordings of the trial proceedings: http://www.youtube.com/user/JustMeSTKK. The channel is doing a great job and has been added to our blogroll for easier access.
Dr. Richelle Cooper‘s testimony started on day 4 and proceeded on day 5 of the trial. Here are the first reviews:
Dr. Conrad Murray Trial Continues With ER Doctor Testimony
Posted by: Laura Vess
The Dr. Conrad Murray trial continued on Monday with testimony from ER doctor Richelle Cooper about pop superstar Michael Jackson‘s death. Cooper testified in court on Friday that Dr. Conrad Murray never told hospital staff he had given Michael Jackson a dose of the surgical anesthetic propofol before the singer went into cardiac arrest.
Dr. Richelle Cooper, who was part of the team that attempted to resuscitate Michael Jackson at the Ronald Reagon UCLA Medical Center, said Murray only told her he had given Jackson two small doses of the sedative lorazepam. She said that Murray made no mention that he had been dosing Michael Jackson with propofol for several months to help him sleep.
According to her testimony, Dr. Cooper claims she gave paramedics permission to declare Michael Jackson dead at his mansion, but Dr. Conrad Murray insisted the singer be taken to the hospital for additional resuscitation efforts. A paramedic at the scene previously testified they believed Jackson was dead for at least 20 minutes before emergency personnel arrived on scene.
When Michael Jackson arrived at UCLA Medical Center, Dr. Cooper said her “assesment when he arrived was that he was clinically dead.”
http://snarkfood.com/dr-conrad-murray-trial-continues-with-er-doctor-testimony/312307/
The Death of Michael Jackson: Conrad Murray Trial Week 2
Dr. Conrad Murray’s manslaughter trial moves into its second week this morning as prosecutors continue questioning of emergency room doctor Richelle Cooper who who pronounced Michael Jackson dead on June 25th2009. “He was clinically dead,” said Cooper during Friday’s session, “He did not have a pulse.”
Cooper was the first physician to see Jackson in the UCLA trauma room. She testified that Dr. Conrad Murray never revealed that the pop star had been treated with propofol. Her colleague, Dr. Thao Nguyen is scheduled to testify today. At a preliminary hearing in the case, Nguyen remembered how a “devastated” Conrad Murray looked in the E-R, urging her, “not to give up easily and try my best to save the patient.”
Also on today’s witness schedule: cell phone company representatives from AT&T and Sprint who will present phone records documenting Murray’s calls the day Jackson died – including one Conrad Murray made to his friend, Sade Anding in Houston. She’s expected to testify this week that on that fateful day Murray “sounded like something was wrong. He didn’t sound like himself, to me, at all.” Earlier this year, she told GMA about the doctor’s mysterious phone call. “I heard, like, coughing like (imitates coughing) and, like, mumbling of voices. He never got back on the phone and then I hung up.”
On Friday Dr. Cooper revealed that Conrad Murray told her that he was treating the singer for dehydration and that Jackson had no history of health problems. “I asked what happened,” said Cooper of the moment when a clinically dead Jackson was wheeled into the UCLA emergency room on June 25, 2009.
“I was told that Mr. Jackson had been working very long hours and Dr. Murray thought he had been dehydrated and that he had given the patient an IV and administered 2 mg of lorazepam and later gave him [another] 2 mg and observed the patient to [cardiac] arrest,” she said.
Murray’s defense team now admits that Murray gave Jackson 25 mg of the creamy anesthetic propofol but argues that Jackson himself took an additional dose of propofol and a sedative without his doctor’s knowledge, leading to his death. Propofol is typically administered in a hospital setting.
Murray told Cooper that the only medications that Jackson took regularly were valium, an anti-anxiety medication, and Flomax, which is used to treat an enlarged prostate or someone suffering from a kidney stone.
By the time Jackson reached the emergency room, he had been in cardiac arrest for at least 40 minutes and Cooper could find no pulse, all signs of a “dying heart,” she said. Paramedics testified that Jackson appeared dead when they reached the home, indicating he could have been in cardiac arrest for a period of time before the 911 call was made by a Jackson bodyguard.
According to Cooper, Murray told her that Jackson had no history of cardiac trouble, blood clots or drug use, and hadn’t complained of chest pain or exhibited seizure activity. Cooper further told the court that she witnessed no signs of physical trauma on Jackson’s body.
Murray told Cooper he had been treating Jackson for dehydration, as he had been working long hours, according to the physician’s testimony.
Asked by prosecutors what Jackson’s condition was when he arrived at the hospital, Cooper concurred with what emergency responders had testified earlier in the day — that Jackson was already gone.
“His condition was as described by the paramedics — he was clinically dead,” Cooper testified. “He did not have a pulse … his eyes were fixed and dilated.”
According to Cooper, Jackson’s heart rhythm was “was slow and wide with no palpable pulses” — what Cooper called the “sign of a dying heart.”
Murray contends only 10 minutes elapsed between the time he found Jackson unresponsive and the time 911 was called, but prosecutors insist Murray waited at least 25 minutes before instructing another Jackson employee, Alberto Alvarez, to call 911.
http://www.mjlivesononline.com/news/conrad-murray-trial-day-4
Unfortunately the media does not report the testimony in detail so I will have to use my notes trying to focus on the most striking points.
Dr. Richelle Cooper says that despite all medication given to the patient and continuous CPR effort from technicians on a rotating basis – all of which lasted for an hour and 13 minutes – she had to pronounce Michael Jackson dead at 2.26 pm. It was the second time she pronounced him dead, the first being at 12.57 when the paramedics reported to her on the phone about their futile attempts to revive the patient.
Though Murray claimed he had found a pulse Dr. Cooper could never feel a spontaneous one. Spontaneous pulse is different from the one induced by compression (which they could hear) as it is the natural heartbeat, and it was this spontaneous pulse which she could never palpate.
Upon arrival at the hospital each patient is given a unique number label which marks all blood samples and specimen taken (so there is absolutely no chance that the specimen of one patient are mistaken with someone else’s).
Walgren asked Dr. Cooper if she was surprised to a see a condom catheter on the patient and she said that it seemed unusual for a 50year old male who was reportedly healthy and was coming from a home setting. However it is absolutely common to attach a collection bag for urine to a catheter during hospital procedures and surgery.
She specifically mentioned that the collection device used on MJ was empty. This is a fact which should be stuck onto Nancy Grace’s forehead as I hear she keeps saying that “he was lying in his urine”. Well, this is what Nancy Grace is all about and this is her sick fantasy which she reports as news to some gullible people – while we prefer to listen to Dr. Cooper and the exact words of Dr. Cooper are: “There was no urine in the collection bag”, which means that the patient was dry.
Dr. Cooper did not request Murray to sign a death certificate because Michael Jackson was her patient at that moment. But since she couldn’t determine the cause of death she realized it was a coroner’s case which would be referenced to a coroner’s office for autopsy and investigation.
When asked who recommended a social worker to talk to the children she said that a social worker’s involvement is a standard protocol. She personally checked on the children and found them crying. They were fairly hysterical, she said (poor kids).
Defense lawyer John Flanagan tried to imply that the doctor did not do her best because she had already pronounced the patient dead at 12.57 and knew in advance that the efforts would be futile. She disagreed saying that there was a doctor on site who said he had felt a pulse and this conflicted with the paramedics’ information, so she realized it should be her decision and her determination. Despite the fact that she pronounced Michael Jackson dead twice the actual time of his death is unknown to her.
After the paramedics reported to her the patient’s clinical death she said she allowed Dr. Murray to assume control over the patient while he was taken to the hospital (and we all know how Murray exercised that control – he was talking on the phone in the ambulance car!). When the patient arrived he was in a state of clinical death.
Definition of clinical death from Wiki:
- “Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life. When the heartbeat stops, a person is suffering clinical death – by definition. But consciousness is not lost until 15-20 seconds later. Most tissues and organs of the body can survive clinical death for considerable periods. Blood circulation can be stopped in the entire body below the heart for at least 30 minutes, with injury to the spinal cord being a limiting factor.[4] Detached limbs may be successfully reattached after 6 hours of no blood circulation at warm temperatures. Bone, tendon, and skin can survive as long as 8 to 12 hours.[5]
- The brain, however, appears to accumulate ischemic injury faster than any other organ. Without special treatment after circulation is restarted, full recovery of the brain after more than 3 minutes of clinical death at normal body temperature is rare.[6][7] Usually brain damage or later brain death results after longer intervals of clinical death even if the heart is restarted and blood circulation is successfully restored. Brain injury is therefore the limiting factor for recovery from clinical death”
Dr. Cooper said that during the one hour 13 minutes resuscitation efforts she didn’t see any signs of life. “Mr. Jackson died long before he became a patient,” the doctor said.
She said she was trained to administer propofol but she uses it only as procedural anesthesia (to relieve the pain during certain procedures to make the patient comfortable) but not for general anesthesia. The amount of 25mg Murray reportedly gave to Michael Jackson was too small a dosage to achieve any level of sedation. Various factors are taken into account when deciding on the dosage – whether there were no other medications, the weight of the patient, etc.
For a 60kg man like Michael Jackson the 25mg dosage was totally insufficient. The most it would last would be 7-10 minutes. The standard dose of propofol is 1mg per 1 kg, so a 60kg patient should have 60mg as a starting dose and this would wear off in 10 minutes.
For procedural purposes propofol is given to patients to the point when they are not aware of the pain, but their breathing has not stopped yet as under general anesthesia. Additional medication like Lorazepam is a factor which should be also taken into account.
John Flanagan of the Defense introduced the idea that Dr. Cooper should have asked at what time Lorazepam had been administered by Murray. She said she made an assumption from Murray’s words that he had given Michael Jackson Lorazepam and then witnessed the heart arrest and then called 911 (so that everything happened within minutes).
When asked whether she remembered what Murray’s demeanor was she said she didn’t focus on that. When Murray arrived she asked him “What happened?” and Murray answered that Michael Jackson was working very hard and was dehydrated. “Dr Murray reported the patient had been in his usual state of health, not ill, but had been working very hard, and he thought he may be dehydrated,” she said.
The only medication he mentioned to her was 4mg of Lorazepam (given in two portions as 2mg and 2mg) after which the patient reportedly went into arrest. This was Murray’s answer and she based her treatment on that.
Dr. Cooper asked Murray questions about prior treatment because she was interested in the best medical history – at that moment she didn’t know the reason for the cardiac arrest (which may have many causes). That is why Murray’s demeanor was not a priority for her – she was focusing on what he said. Prosecutor Walgren asked Dr. Cooper if she would have preferred to have medical records from Dr.Murray. She would, but she was also assuming that Murray was not lying to her.
She said that according to standard protocol if within 20 minutes of resuscitation effort there is no change, the patient is pronounced dead. “Would you do the same procedures for any person in the street?” asked Flanagan and she said yes.
When Flanagan asked her a dozen questions whether it was possible for the doctor to determine the condition of the patient by eye, she said that the common danger of administering propofol is a stop in breathing – and under sedation patients breathe slower, so doctors can easily miss the first signs of the problem. That is why proper equipment is required as even using a pulse oxymeter to register the problem would be too late.
This was a damning testimony.
Please watch part 1 for Dr. Cooper’s testimony:
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The representatives of two telecommunications companies commented on the calls made from and to Conrad Murray’s two cell phones. They said they could tell the time and duration of the incoming and outgoing calls but couldn’t say whether it was a conversation or a voice mail or what the contents of text messages was. When a call is more than 35 sec. it is rounded to a minute. Moreover if the records say that the call lasted for 7 sec. (for example) it can mean that the call just rang for 7 seconds.
It is also impossible to identify the caller or to whom the call is being placed. However the subscriber for both cell phones is Conrad Murray.
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The second doctor who attended to Michael Jackson at the ULCA hospital was Dr. Thao Nguyen. She is a cardiologist, who was at the time a cardiology fellow at the hospital taking care of patients who were critically ill. She went to the emergency room where Dr. Cooper introduced her to Dr. Murray.
Murray introduced himself as a personal physician for Mr. Jackson. (I like all these people calling Michael Jackson Mr. Jackson. It is such a welcome change from the past, though it’d better be done it when he was alive).
Murray said to her that Mr. Jackson was very tired and asked for medication to go to sleep. He gave him intravenously 4mg of Ativan (another name for Lorazepam).
She asked him if any other narcotics or sedatives were also given. He said to her, “Nothing. Nothing else.“
She wondered when Lorazepam was given and he said he didn’t know. When she asked what happened next he said he left and when he returned Mr. Jackson was not breathing. He didn’t know the time of when this happened.
She asked how much time passed since the patient was down until the call was made to to 911. He did not remember that either. He said he didn’t have a concept of time. He didn’t have a watch.
Murray never mentioned propofol to Dr. Nguyen though she specifically asked him about other sedatives.
She called Dr. Cruise and discussed the situation with him. He came down and Murray told him that he found a pulse. Neither of them could confirm it. Murray repeated to him what he was also saying to Dr. Nguyen, that “they should not give up easily and try to save Mr. Jackson’s life“. However from the brief conversation with Dr.Murray she had her concerns over the situation – she saw what Dr. Cooper’s team was doing and the initial code (a set code of actions taken by doctors) should have already been able to resuscitate the patient, but it was not.
It wasn’t Murray who raised a request for the balloon pump to be used – it was just the next step to proceed. But she realized that their case was not that of “too little, too late”- no, it was the case of just being too late. Since Murray was not able to give her the time interval what she feared was that they were running too late.
Dr Nguyen explained what a balloon pump is. In case of a drug- induced cardiovascular collapse (when some drug caused the heart to stop) the balloon pump can be inserted into an aorta and serve as a kind of a ventilator. However they were very doubtful it would be successful at that point because it didn’t look like time was on Mr. Jackson’s side. He looked lifeless.
They did move forward with the balloon pump to show good faith even though they suspected that it was futile. The procedure of inserting the balloon went very smoothly – but as they suspected they didn’t achieve anything, it didn’t bring back life.
Before applying the balloon pump the doctors made an agreement with Murray that it would be the last attempted procedure on Mr. Jackson. Shortly thereafter Michael Jackson was pronounced dead.
John Flanagan of the Defense asked at what time she had gone down to the emergency room. It was 1.35 and she already knew that the patient was Michael Jackson as Dr. Cooper had paged her about it. Dr. Nguyen addressed Murray because he was the primary source of information. Murray said Mr. Jackson asked him for a sleeping aid to help him sleep and Murray’s exact words to Dr. Nguyen were that he had given him “Ativan, 4 mgs IV” .
He neither told her that it was given as two separate dozes nor did he mention Valium. To all her questions about sedatives he answered negatively. From his replies to her questions she had some concerns. Number one concern was that time was not on their side, number two was that it was quite uncommon to use IV for treating insomnia and the Ativan administered was not a very large doze (so it was strange that it would provoke such a reaction).
Typically 4mg of Ativan would be enough to put the patient to sleep, especially if administered IV, she said. The usual indications for treating insomnia would be 2mg to 4 mg taken as a pill (by mouth). If 2mg were given by IV the effect would be pretty quick, working on the patient in 5 – 7 minutes. But those who are habitual users of the drug have a higher drug tolerance and it will take them longer. That is why doctors start it low and then go up until reaching the desired effect.
Generally if the patient is able to fall asleep after 2 mg of Ativan he will sleep for hours after that as the half-life of Ativan is 14 hours plus-minus 5 hours. “They won’t wake up at 1 in the morning and ask for a little bit more”, she said. People who have developed very high drug tolerance would require a higher doze with time to reach the desired effect. Unfortunately the toxicity threshold that can be tolerated by the brain, heart and lungs does not increase with the tolerance threshold, Dr. Nguyen said.
Suddenly Flanagan began taking about the 20mg doze of Ativan (which is an insinuation that MJ could take it himself). She said that 20 mg of Ativan administered by IV would be a very large doze. Ativan does not cause directly respiratory depression – it does not stop you from breathing and make your heart collapse and not pumping. What it does is working on the brain and making the brain sleepy. And that brain would be so sleepy that it would not tell the diaphragm to breathe and therefore the patient’s respiration will stop.
When Ativan is administered by IV they typically put a patient on a cardiac monitor and have a nurse watch the whole procedure.
I didn’t like Flanagan’s questions “When you do Ativan by IV the effect is very quick and when you do it orally it the effect takes longer?” which is an obvious shot against Jackson again. He also focused on things like “during that interval the patient’s speech will become slurred, won’t it”. After making sure that Ativan does have an effect on the patient’s speech Flanagan raises propofol.
Dr. Nguyen is certified to use propofol too. The sign by which she would tell that propofol took effect is when the patient would not respond to verbal stimuli (doesn’t talk any more). “So when the patient is sedated on the propofol he is not talking?” asks Flanagan. “And you never hear slurred speech from a patient under propofol, do you?” he insists.
Dr. Nguyen: “Before the success of induction you can still hear the patient talking, but after the induction you will not hear him any more”.
Flanagan: “And when he wakes up you don’t hear any slurred speech, do you?”
Dr. Nguyen: “No. Patients wake up totally refreshed and with no slurred speech as in the case of other sedatives like Ativan”.
Flanagan: “So the induction of Propofol is quick, isn’t it?”
Dr. Nguyen: “Yes, quick on-set, quick off-set.”
But then she adds a statement which Flanagan didn’t want to hear. She says: “It really depends on the dosage. Patient’s protocol is start slow every ten seconds and within minutes the patient will be ready for the procedure”.
Let me say the following here.
“Within minutes” is a very long period in these circumstances and it means that when propofol is being administered it is possible for the patient to still talk – in a slow manner and slurred voice which we heard in Murray’s record of Michael’s speech. The Defense is trying to show that MJ could talk like that only under the influence of another drug, Ativan or whatever, but Dr. Nguyen firmly says that it might be propofol and everything just depends on its dosage.
In fact Dr. Cooper also spoke about the use of Propofol for lesser procedures and not general anesthesia. For minor procedures propofol will not put a patient under sleep but will make him “just comfortable” – and this means that he will still be able to talk!
So in the first stages of administering propofol patients do talk and talk like Michael Jackson did in that recording made by Murray! Dr. Gershon, chief anesthesiologist of Grady Memorial Hospital, said on CNN that he hears patients talk like that every day!
This is something Flanagan didn’t want to hear so he immediately diverted everyone’s attention from that point to Murray’s demeanor and him being “devastated”.
To avoid numerous repetitions which occurred after that let me state only the main points of the remaining of Dr. Nguen’s testimony:
- Murray said to Dr. Cruise that he found a pulse but didn’t say when. Dr.Nguyen thinks that Dr. Cruise didn’t ask him about the time (because everyone assumed it was “just now”)
- it wasn’t Murray who asked for the balloon pump procedure but Dr. Cruise who initiated it. The balloon pump was used 5-7 min. after Dr. Nguyen had gone downstairs.
- after the balloon pump failed Murray agreed to pronounce Michael Jackson dead
- besides Propofol, Atrivan can also cause depression of breathing because it depresses the brain. Ativan, however, has an antidote (flumazenil)
- this antidote should be close at hand. For it to be successful it should be used within 2-3 minutes. After that the window of opportunity closes. It isn’t fatal yet but is losing valuable time in terms of preparing for the next step
- if the antidote did not arrive in time, they will have to do intubation
- however 4mg of Ativan (Lorazepam) will not require an antidote as this dosage is not the one to make trouble.
When answering David Walgren Dr. Nguyen said that during administering propofol at least three people should be present. It should be the hospital setting and not just anywhere in the hospital but in a designated place with designated personnel and a crash cart of equipment available there.
Walgren returned to the point raised by Flanagan and asked her what she meant when she said that in these types of procedures anything can happen. He reminded her of mentioning over-sedation with Ativan. In reply she talked about both Ativan and Propofol:
- “When we think of using a sedative or a narcotic we think of the desired effect to achieve, but before that we always have to think of what’s the worst-case scenario. So we always have to prepare for the worst-case scenario before we even gave the drug. Whatever the indication is – be it for procedure, be it for insomnia – before even giving drug to the patient we prepare for the worst scenario.
- What is the worst scenario? Propofol can cause severe lung collapse, respiratory, breathing collapse, they could cause cardiovascular collapse, and propofol does not have an antidote, so we have to prepare for the worst before we even administer it. And that is why we take great care to get all the personnel, all the equipment ready inside the room before we even start administering it.
- Walgren: So that you are prepared for any consequences?
- Dr. Nguyen: Yes, it is a must.
Dr. Nguyen’s very enlightening testimony is found in part 5 and the part preceding it:
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The last doctor to testify that day was Dr. Joanne Prashad, whose testimony was actually a tribute to Murray’s very good memory. On June 25 she consulted Murray over the telephone about one of his patients and even without any medical records available to him Murray was able to recall what course of treatment the patient was undergoing and when it was to be over. She sounded impressed. Her call came at 10:22 and lasted for 2 minutes or so.
The reason why the Prosecution called her as a witness is to show that at 10:22 Murray was quietly talking on the phone and that his memory was excellent – so all that crap he told to Dr. Nguyen about not remembering anything is just a very big and intentional LIE.
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Day 6. September 4, 2011
The day started with a very short and very important testimony of Murray’s employee whose name is Stacey Ruggles. She was shown a print-out of Murray’s telephone conversations on June 25 and asked whether she spoke to him that morning. She did.
at 10.34 she called him and talked for 8 and 1/2 min. and then he called he back at 11:07
“Is the call made on 10.34 was to your telephone…?” — “Yes”.
“And your conversation with Dr. Murray lasted for approximately 8 and a half minutes?” — “Yes”.
“And at 11:07 Dr.Murray called you back?” — – “Yes”.
“Did you speak with him?” —“I believe so”.
“I have no more questions”, said Ms. Deborah Brazil.
The reason why the prosecutor had no more questions will become clear at the end of this post which brings us to the testimony of Detective Scott on Day 9 of the trial.
On that date a tape of Murray’s interview with two detectives was played in court in which Murray gave a detailed timeline for his actions on June 25. Over there he claimed that in the period between 10.30 and 11.00 he was closely monitoring Michael . At 10.40 he began administering propofol, it took him 3 to 5 minutes to make the injection, the 25mg he gave him were enough for 15 minutes of sleep only, so at 11.00 he noticed that Michael was not breathing.
This is his version of the story which will still need to be analyzed. However whatever his motives for telling the above were, the real timeline is as follows:
- she called him at 10.34 Los Angeles time and spoke to him for 8 1/2 minutes – which takes us to 10.43
- and at 11:07 he called her back and it wasn’t an email or voice mail – no, they did talk to each other
- and this despite that fact that according to Murray’s own timeline his patient has been lifeless already for 7 minutes or so!
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After such a discovery it is hard to proceed but I will try to.
Day 6 brought us a stream of Murray’s girlfriends – all of them young and attractive. Most of them got acquainted with him in bars and night clubs which made me wonder when this so-called doctor was working and whether he ever attended to his family and children. All the girls had some kind of communication with Murray on the night of Michael’s death either by email or phone.
The girls were marvelously reported by the ABC news, so this is where I will take most of the information.
Bridgette Morgan
Bridgette Morgan
The first was Bridgette Morgan who looked very sullen and said she had called Murray on June 25 but “he didn’t answer his telephone.” She was non-cooperative and they let her go very quickly. During the preliminary hearings it was found out that she placed a call to Murray at 11.26 but he didn’t answer.
Michelle Bella
Michelle Bella’s testimony shows that Murray bragged about being Michael’s doctor even to strippers
Although Conrad Murray’s ex-girlfriend Michelle Bella is reportedly a stripper, pre-trial rulings dictated that information couldn’t be shared with the jury. In court it was said that Bella met Murray at a “social-type club” in Las Vegas where they exchanged phone numbers. On the day of Jackson’s death Murray sent her a text, and she testified that he left her a voicemail message on June 16, nine days before Jackson’s death, telling her he was Jackson’s doctor.
Sade Alding
Her testimony was very interesting as she was the one who really talked to Murray when he suddenly stopped responding. Their conversation was a very intellectual one – she was telling him of her day and some 5-6 minutes into the conversation she realized he was not there. She then stayed on the phone for another 3-4 minutes listening to the background noises. She says she heard a cough and mumbling of voices. She supposed that Murray had put the telephone into his pocket.
The ABC say about Alding’s testimony:
Today Houston cocktail waitress Sade Anding, who met Murray in February of 2009, took the stand. Prosecutors asked her about the odd phone call she had with Murray on the day of Jackson’s death, during the moment when prosecutors believe Murray discovered Jackson had stopped breathing. Anding told GMA during the call Murray “sounded like something was wrong.””He was like, ‘Well.’ And it seemed like he wanted to say something. And I wish I would have just shut up and let him finish. Because he just said, ‘Well.’ And then he took forever,” she said. “He didn’t sound like himself to me at all.”
Then, she says, Murray became distracted.
At today’s hearing she testified, “I said, ‘Well let me tell you about my day and I started telling him about my day…that’s when I realized he was no longer on the phone … I was just talking and the next thing you know I said, ‘Hello? Hello?’ and I didn’t hear anything. That’s when I pressed the phone on my ear and I heard mumbling of voices … I heard coughing and nobody answered.”
Anding also told the court today that after she told Murray she had been questioned by police he allegedly told her not to speak to them again without his lawyer.
He said, “I’m going to give you my lawyer’s number and make sure before you speak to LAPD you have my lawyer present,” she recalled.
During her interview with GMA, Anding said Murray had lied to her, saying he was divorced with two children when he really had seven kids.
The information that Sade Alding heard a cough and mumbling of voices is extremely disturbing. First and foremost it suggests that Murray was not alone when Michael died. Alding said that she didn’t recognize any voices at all.
Another theory is that it was TV and she could could hear its muffled noise through the pocket into which he had put his cell phone (as she supposed). On the other hand if it was TV she would have heard it much clearer while Murray was still talking to her, so if the same noise continued it wouldn’t have particularly surprised her. And how often do people cough on TV?
Michael was listening to music that night and some musical device must have been on, but whether it was a TV set or something else only the Prosecution can tell us. Or the Defense. Chernoff asked Sade Alding interesting questions – for example, if the voice she heard could be anyone’s voice? She agreed. “So it could be Dr. Murray’s voice?” She agreed again. And when he asked her how long she had been listening before she hang up, she said “Three or four minutes”.
Now a question: When did Murray call Sade Alding?
According to the preliminary hearings the call was placed at 11:51. But in his June 27, 2009 interview with Detectives Martinez and Scott Murray said he realized Michael had stopped breathing an hour before that, or at 11.00 . Though one of these is an obvious lie I ask you to refrain from jumping at conclusions yet.
Sade Alding says that during the conversation Murray “didn’t sound himself at all” – though he supposedly noticed that something was wrong with Michael several minutes after placing a call. Why did he sound like that from the very beginning? And why did he specify to the police the time of Michael’s clinical death as 11 o’clock and not 12 o’clock as he would present the case later?
Probably because he knew that that time of death was 11 o’clock, and not 12? And it was much later that realized that going on with his original story was not in his interests?
Nicole Alvarez
Actress and former cocktail waitress Nicole Alvarez, the mother of one of Murray’s children, also testifed today, telling the court she spends her time going to rehearsals, “refining her instrument,” which she defined as her “being.”
She found out Murray was Jackson’s doctor in 2008, and eventually met Jackson, saying she was “star struck” during the brief visit to Jackson’s home.
“I can remember because Michael was very interested in the baby…he wanted to schedule visits so that he could see my son,” she said today.
During Jackson’s death she lived with Murray, and received his packages in the mail, but claimed she didn’t know the contents.
He said “that he was going to be receiving something, that if there was knock on the door, it was going to be a delivery that I could retrieve it for him,” Alvarez said.
In January, during the preliminary hearing, Alvarez made the same claim. Prosecutors believe those packages were shipments of propofol.
Phone records show Murray called Alvarez from the ambulance that transported Jackson to the hospital. Prosecutors asked her about their two-minute conversation.
“I remember him telling me that he was on the way to the hospital in the ambulance with Mr. Jackson and for me not to be alarmed … because he knew I would learn this through the news,” she said today.
“This is a different witness entirely than the other women…This is a witness who was receiving the propofol shipments at her house,” said Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren during the preliminary hearing in January. “This is an uncooperative witness who has refused to cooperate with the police, has refused to open the door for the police, has reached out to Dr. Murray’s attorney. Whenever we tried to reach her… And it’s not simply a phone call…”
Murray met Alvarez at a Las Vegas club a few years ago. He still stays in her Santa Monica apartment when he is in Los Angeles.
Her biggest acting role was in a 2008 movie called “Days of Wrath,” produced by Foxy Films, where she played the role of “Hot Chick.”
The packages Nicole Alvarez received had the following dates – April 8 and 29, May 1, 13 and 15, June 11, 16 and 25.
The Defense lawyers did not ask her any questions at all.
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The next witness was Tim Lopez, the owner of Applied Pharmacy which supplied Murray with most of the medications. He closed his business in 2010. The Pharmacy worked more with physicians than with patients because its specialty was in creating medications tailored to patients’ particular needs, using formulations which are not otherwise available.
Murray first contacted him in 2008. He was looking for a specific dermatological Benoquin cream used by vitiligo patients. Lopez called some of his suppliers of raw materials but none of them had what was needed and he never followed Murray’s request.
In March 2009 Murray called him again and this time Tim Lopez was able to help him with a trial lot of Benoquin (a lot of 40 tubes 30gr each). The company’s check was for $1200. When asked whether he required any medical registration papers from Murray Tim Lopez said yes, he asked for his registration with The Drug Enforcement Agency. Benoquin is not a controlled drug but it is “their habit to ask for that number”, so Murray’s number was verified and found active.
Murray placed his first order for Propofol on April 6, 2009. Propofol is not a controlled substance and there were no red flags, Lopez said. Murray was authorized to make those orders.
They agreed that the first delivery would be made by a carrier to Conrad Murray’s office but when the package arrived Murray took a couple of vials from the package and asked to mail the rest to an address in Santa Monica. The first order was mostly for small vials of Propofol – it included 10 pcs of 100ml vials and 25 pcs of 20ml vials, 40 tubes of Benoquin cream and 9 bags of 1000ml saline solutions.
The next order came on April 28, 2009 and included 65 vials of Propofol, out of which 40 pcs came as big 100ml vials.
The testimony contained many numbers and frankly I didn’t put down most of them, but I got the overall number of the vials ordered – Murray was delivered 255 vials of Propofol, 20 vials of Lorazepam (Ativan) and 60 vials of Midozolam (Versed).
Here is an excellent article analysing these mammoth quantities (let me correct the number of Midazolam though – it was 60 vials and not 40 as the article says):
STUNNING Propofol Evidence In Jackson Physician Manslaughter Trial
September 27, 2011
In the prosecution’s opening statement on the first day of Dr. Conrad Murray’s Involuntary Manslaughter trial, the jury was led through a basic pharmacology course of the hypnotic sedative anesthesia agent propofol. He promises that the jury will be hearing a lot about the “science of propofol”, as well as Dr. Murray’s lies told to a supplying pharmacy that he had a California clinic in need of the drug, when no such clinic existed and the shipments were being sent to his girlfriends house.
Most shocking is the amount of medication Murray ordered from April – May of 2009.
In divided monthly shipments over just these three months, Dr. Murray ordered and had delivered, a total of 155,000 mg of propofol, 40 vials of midazolam (Versed)[correction: 60 vials], and 20 vials of lorazepam (Ativan). To put this in perspective, this equates to a total of nearly 5 gallons of propofol, or 1,937 mg per day of propofol. This is enough medication to run a medium sized operating room for the same period of time.
A quick lesson on propofol: It is the most commonly used induction agent for general anesthesia in the country. If you go into a hospital or outpatient surgery center and have a general anesthetic chances are you will be put to sleep with an injection of propofol. Depending on body weight and other factors, an average dose for this purpose is 150-200mg for an adult. Such doses are expected to render the patient without consciousness, reaction to pain, and significant respiratory depression or even commonly a cessation of breathing.
Only highly trained anesthesia professionals like Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists or Anesthesiologists administer propofol for general anesthesia. Whenever and wherever propofol is given to a patient. emergency airway equipment and a crash cart must be present, and a cardiac monitor, blood pressure monitor and pulse oximetry monitor to measure the amount of oxygen in the blood.
Of these, only a tiny, cheap, battery powered, worn around the neck of a physician pulse oximeter was present, which had no alarm to warn of dangerous readings.
Propofol can also be used in far smaller doses for sedation (a typical dose would be 20 mg IV) , and as a continuous IV infusion for sedation or general anesthesia. A typical patient receiving such an infusion would be one who is in a medically induced coma in an ICU. Conrad Murray was administering such continuous IV infusions on a daily basis, based on his own admission to investigators. After all, Murray was administering nearly 2,000 mg per day….enough for 10 general anesthetics per day.
But it is worse than that. Midazolam and lorazepam, both given IV, have a tremendous potentiating effect when given with propofol, meaning it takes less propofol to attain the desired effect. When you add the incredible amount of these drugs that were being used, it boggles the mind that Jackson was not dead long before he was.
According to the opening statement, prosecutors say Murray claims minor amounts of medications administered that early morning beginning at 130 am. Murray is claiming he administered only 10 mg of valium by tablet, 4mg of lorazepam IV and 4mg of midazolam IV over the next 8 1/2 hours culminating in a 25 mg IV dose of propofol. He says he then left the room for 2 minutes to ‘empty urine’ and when he returned Jackson was not breathing.
On autopsy, instead of the small amount of propofol one would have expected to be found in Jackson’s system on toxicology examination, they instead found a very large amount expected from a high dose which would have produced general anesthesia for a number of adults and cessation of breathing. Further, this level was in the BLOOD, indicating that Jackson died immediately after being bolused with what would have been a ~100 ml vial (1000 mg).When someone dies, their metabolism of any drugs in their system ceases, so whatever is found in the blood at autopsy is what was in the blood at time of death.
Propofol is metabolized out of the blood very quickly, in less than 10 minutes. Jackson was shot full of a mega dose of propofol and immediately stopped breathing and died. Murray kept no medical records and when paramedics arrived as asked him point blank if he had administered any medications to Jackson, he said “lorazepam”. When medics contacted their medical command and related their findings of an obviously dead and non salvageable Michael Jackson, their EMS medical director pronounced Jackson dead at his home.
However Murray insisted Jackson’s care continue and that he be transported to the emergency room, and agreed to take responsibility for his medical care, a request which the EMS physician granted. on arrival to the ER, Murray again lied to the medical staff saying Jackson only received a small dose of lorazepam. no mention of midazolam or propofol was made.
Other highlights so far:
Murray was being paid $150,000 per month.
On May 10, 2009, Murray recorded Jackson in a very obvious impaired state slurring his words and talking gibberish. This stunning recording was played in part today. It did seem to indicate, in his own words, that Jackson planned to use the proceeds from his tour to build The Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital, which he planned to be the ‘best’ in the world.
Jackson was connected to a urinary catheter when security staff arrived to his bedside. Murray directed the staff to quickly collect the medical equipment and medications in the room prior to EMS arrival.
Prosecutors presented a powerful case that Murray acted as a drug dealer and not a physician, granting his patient’s requests no matter how medically absurd, inappropriate, contraindicated or dangerous they were…all for the big bucks.
The defense is making their opening statement now and as expected are painting Murray as a competent physician trying to get Jackson off drugs and claiming Jackson self administered the medication that killed him. They are claiming it killed him instantly and that no one could have saved him.
Only one problem with that statement: you do not die from propofol and benzodiazepine over administration, absent contributing underlying medical issues, even at relatively high doses, unless no specially trained medical provider is present who takes action to support your breathing.
Clearly they will be relying on the lack of medical knowledge of the jury to try and win this case.
Source: http://lawmedconsultant.com/2458/stunning-propofol-evidence-in-jackson-physician-manslaughter-trial
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Day 7. September 5, 2011
The first witness was Sally Hirschberg from a pharmaceutical company. I haven’t had a chance to listen to her, so here is an account from OTRC:
Sally Hirschberg from Sea Coast Medical, a pharmaceutical company, testifies at Conrad Murray’s involuntary manslaughter trial. She said Murray first opened an account with her firm in December 2006 and that on Apr 13, 2009, a medical volunteer who worked at the doctor’s Las Vegas office, Consuelo Ng, spoke to her on the phone.
A ‘red flag’ was raised: Ng, Hirschberg said, requested that an order be shipped to a residential address in California. Hirschberg said she declined the request, adding that all previous orders had been shipped to Murray’s Las Vegas office. She said she continued to have orders shipped there.
Prosecutors say Murray shipped propofol and other medical supplies to his girlfriend’s apartment in Santa Monica, California in the months before Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009.
Invoices presented to the jury show that between April and June 2009, Murray’s office ordered supplies such as infusion and IV administration kits, syringes, an Ambu bag, catheters – including condom catheters, and Lidocaine an anesthetic and antiarrhythmic drug often used to numb an injection area.
Murray’s attorney pointed out that the doctor had ordered IV administration sets as far back as October 2007. ‘Was it unusual for company to order Lidocaine?’ Hirschberg was asked, to which she responded: ‘Not unusual, just not a lot.’
Receipts from a Las Vegas pharmacy, presented to the jury on Oct. 4, 2009, showed Murray had ordered Lidocaine cream, as well as some 255 vials of propofol, containers of the injectable anti-anxiety drugs Lorazepam and Midazolam”
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A very important testimony came from Steven Marx, a forensic computer special agent, who managed to retrieve data from Conrad Murray’s iphone.
This information looked like a sensation but only until Michael’s tape was played that day when everything suddenly grew terribly shallow and unimportant. It once again reminded us whom we had lost and brought home to us how petty, artificial and cynical the world we are living in is.
Yes, cynical because Murray was not only administering Michael some agent to induce sleep but he was also recording him in the process of it, which is a grave violation of all medical laws and human ethics. He was recording Michael when he was falling asleep and least expected it, and this immediately makes us wonder why he was doing it at all.
The iphone enabled Steven Marx to determine the date of the recording – it was May 10, 2009 which sets it as the time when Murray was already administering Michael something to make him sleep.
The other records Steven Marx managed to extract from Murray’s iphone is a whole package of correspondence made back and forth between Murray, the insurance brokers and Shawn Trell of AEG with copies sent to Kathy Jorrie (lawyer employed by AEG), Timm Woolley, Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware of AEG.
I’ve tried to place them in the chronological order to get ready for a later study.
The first was a letter from Justin Burns, sent on June 22, 2009 concerning Mark Jones (the name given to MJ for confidentiality purposes), which says that the additional evaluation of the insured person’s health will have to be made by two more doctors.
A follow-up to this letter dated June 24, 2009 (again from Justin Burns) says that the 5-year medical record had not been provided and that the assured – who were AEG and Michael Jackson’s company – did not confirm or deny press speculation regarding the artist’s health:
“As you know there have been several occasions we have asked the assured to confirm or deny press speculation, always with no response”.
The email also says that it is impossible to arrange a medical examination at the artist’s home for lack of the necessary medical equipment.
On June 24, 2009 Paul Gongware of AEG writes an email to the insurer’s broker Bob Taylor (with copies sent to the whole AEG gang) that they “need to do it at MJ’s house”.
However Bob Taylor replies that they (the Lloyds) will not accept it.
He says that everything is ready for a medical examination to take place in Harley Street , London in a special suite where all the equipment has been installed.
The answer to this email is addressed to Shawn Trell of AEG and says that the London consultation is critical. The second medical examination is to take place on July 6, 2009.
The copy is naturally sent to all those involved on the part of AEG.
Let me make the following note here.
Formally it was AEG who insisted on Michael Jackson obtaining the insurance, but if it was not confirmed in London they could trigger off their stand-by variant of terminating the deal, demanding the advances back and in case of a default in payment obtaining MJ’s precious collateral.
Conversely, Michael Jackson did not insist on the insurance but was interested in having it in order to go on with the deal. But this again only in case he thought that all their contract conditions were carved in stone and couldn’t be revised.
However we have reasons to believe that the final contract was never signed, so its conditions could be changed or considered null – which is a way MJ could have also regarded the situation (see the numerous posts about the AEG contract being null). And this is why Michael was not very much worried whether it was obtained or not. It was AEG who wanted it, not him.
In short all this is a rather complex logical riddle, which will need to be looked into at another time.
Prosecutor David Walgren read out the email sent to Conrad Murray from Bob Taylor, London on June 25, 2009. The time stamped on it is 5.54 am Los Angeles time, which is the morning of the day Michael died.
The email says that the insurers require full information MJ’s various medical conditions including the period of the 2005 trial or otherwise the insurance could be called into question:
Left side of the letter
“I have advised the insurers that your records go back from the present time to 2006 when you first met with MJ in Nevada. You confirmed that as far as you are aware you are the only doctor consulted during that 3 year period.”
Right side of the letter
Well, we know for sure that Murray wasn’t the only doctor whom Michael Jackson consulted during that period – Dr. Klein, for example. Another doctor was Dr. Patrick Treacy who performed some cosmetic procedures on Michael while he was in Ireland. Why Murray wanted to limit Michael’s medical ties to himself only will still need to be studied, but let us just register at this point that he is a telling a lie here.
On June 25 at 11.17 am Los Angeles time Conrad Murray sent to Bob Taylor an answer to his letter.
Conrad Murray’s answer to Bob Taylor was sent at 11.17 LA time on June 25
Among other things it said that Michael denied releasing his medical records to the brokers for assisting them to procure an insurance policy as it was already secured in the US (which again shows that Michael was not terribly interested in confirming the insurance and was not terribly worried if it wasn’t).
This situation will have to be analyzed later – at the moment let us just make a very important note that at the time when Murray was supposedly monitoring his patient he was actually sending out emails which, by the way, required typing first !
end of Conrad Murray’s letter to Bob Taylor
Steven Marx was also able to retrieve a voice mail which came early in the morning of June 20, 2009 or the day the so-called “riot act” was read out to Michael following the day when Kenny Ortega let him leave the rehearsal ( June 19).
The voice mail was from Frank Dileo.
I didn’t get the whole of it, but what I did showed that when it came to treating Michael his manager was no better than the AEG people.
The initial impression was that he was concerned about his friend’s health, however later that impression turned into an understanding that he simply wanted to know “what he was doing” (which most probably means “what drugs he was taking”). The voice mail said:
- “Dr. Murray, this is Frank Dileo, Michael’s manager. Please call me at ……… I’m sure you are aware of the episode last night. He is sick. …… I think you need to take a blood test on him. We’ve got to see what he is doing. Thank you”.
Steven Marx also managed to retrieve the time of that voice mail – it was 7.48 am PT (Pacific Time) of June 20, 2009.
The time shows that after the “June 19th episode” (see Kenny Ortega’s testimony on week 1 of this trial) the same night or early morning Frank Dileo was contacted by the other side – AEG or Kenny Ortega.
He was told about the meeting which was to take place at Michael’s house later that day. So prior to that he called Murray and asked him to make Michael’s blood test so that the result could be reported to Randy Phillips and Ortega.
Frank Dileo didn’t realize that Michael’s horrid condition wasn’t the result of “what he was doing” – it was the direct consequence of the treatment provided to Michael by Murray himself.
And now he is approaching this man for checking up on Michael though he is the one who is directly responsible for Michael’s quickly deteriorating health. Oh God….
It was possibly at the June 20th meeting that a “riot act” was read to Michael where a demand was made that he should not miss a single rehearsal or otherwise AEG would “pull the plug”. Thus instead of rendering him real help they chose to build more pressure on him which mounted his stress to unspeakable heights. This is why he couldn’t sleep at all….
Steve Marx’s testimony together with all messages, voice mails and Michael being recorded by Murray is found in this part of the trial:
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Days 7-8. September 5-6.10.11
Here are my 
notes on the testimony of Ellisa Fleak, investigator who arrived at MJ’s house at 7 pm on June 25 to perform a scene investigation.
an empty 20ml propofol bottle was recovered from the floor
She found a 20ml empty bottle of propofol lying on the floor. This is the first sign that at least 20ml of propofol were administered to Jackson that night.
Before adding up all empty vials of propofol found and registered by Ms. Fleak during her two visits to the house on June 25 and June 29, we should agree that it is highly unlikely that Murray (or Michael) would keep empty vials lying about the bedroom for days or weeks without throwing them away.
So if an empty vial was there it most probably means that it was used the same day.
Another thing lying on the floor was a 5ml empty vial of flumazenil (the drug used to reverse the effect of Lorazepam/Ativan).
A glass table with a 20mg empty propofol vial under it. Three bottles with pills were on the night stand, while the other pills were in a box on the glass table
On the night stand there was a syringe without a needle and on the floor there was a catheter which Ms. Fleak initially took for a needle to this syringe. So what looked at first like two parts of one and the same thing turned out to be some odd pieces which did not match.
Since the defense is claiming that Michael self-administered something it is important to see what was beside him on the night stand and what was stored in a box below on the glass table.
On the nightstand there were prescription drugs in pills – Diazepam, Lorazepam and Flomax. In the basket on the glass stand below there were some other prescription pills.
Here is the list of those pills (excluding Flomax which is for a prostate condition) showing who prescribed what and when, and how many pills were originally there and how many left by the time of Michael’s death.
The list is accompanied by information from WIKI about the purpose of these medications:
- Temazepam is an intermediate-acting 3-hydroxy benzodiazepine. It is mostly prescribed for the short-term treatment of sleeplessness in patients who have difficulty maintaining sleep (MURRAY, Dec. 22, 2008). Number issued 30. Number remaining 3. Capsule 30 mg. Directions to use – once at bedtime as needed.
- Clonazepam is a benzodiazepine drug having anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant, and anxiolytic properties (METZGER, April 18, 2009). Number issued 30. Number remaining 6. Tablet 1 mg. Directions to use – 1 at bedtime
- Trazodone is an antidepressant of the serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor (SARI) class. It is a phenylpiperazine compound. Trazodone also has anxiolytic, and hypnotic effects (METZGER, April 18, 2009). Number issued 60. Number remaining 38. Tablet 50 mg. Directions to use – 2 at bedtime as needed
- Lorazepam is a high-potency short-to-intermediate-acting 3-hydroxy benzodiazepine drug that has all five intrinsic benzodiazepine effects: anxiolytic, amnesic, sedative/hypnotic, anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant (MURRAY, April 28, 2009). Number issued 30. Number remaining 9. Tablet 2mg. Directions to use – one at bedtime. Physician MURRAY. Found on the night stand
- Tizanidine (Zanaflex) is a drug that is used as a muscle relaxant. It is a centrally acting α2 adrenergic agonist. It is used to treat the spasms, cramping, and tightness of muscles caused by medical problems such as multiple sclerosis, spastic diplegia, back pain, or certain other injuries to the spine or central nervous system (KLEIN, May 7, 2009). Number issued 10. Number remaining 8. Tablet 4mg. Directions to us – half tablet at bedtime.
- Diazepam, first marketed as Valium is a benzodiazepine drug. It is commonly used for treating anxiety, insomnia, seizures including status epilepticus, muscle spasms, restless legs syndrome, alcohol withdrawal, benzodiazepine withdrawal and Ménière’s disease (MURRAY, June 20, 2009, or the day when AEG’s “riot act” was read out to Michael). Number issued 60. Number remaining 57. Tablet 10mg. Directions to use – 1/2 to 1 every 6 hours. Physician MURRAY. Found on the night stand
Here is a further comment on the pills provided by a reader:
“A pharmacy of drugs” such BS! This is how the media likes to spin everything.
Propofol and Lidocaine are used together. Lidocaine is not medication it is used in conjunction with Propofol because Propofol burns when it’s being injected. So right there you can cross Lidocaine off the list. They’re trying to make it sound like it was something separate when it wasn’t.
Then there’s Lorazepam. The Lorazepam was prescribed on April 28, 2009 and contained 30 pills. On June 25, 2009-two months later- there will still 9 pills remaining. So Michael took 21 pills of this in a two month time span.
Then there’s Diazepam. It was issued on June 20, 2009 (the same day Michael was told he was going to lose everything if he backed out of the concerts) One thing Diazepam treats is anxiety. What person wouldn’t have anxiety after being treated the way Michael was at the meeting. I think for someone to tell you they are going to take your children away would cause anyone to have anxiety. Anyway…there were 60 pills of Diazepam prescribed on June 20, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 57 remaining. That means he only took three within the span of 5-6 days.
Then there’s Temazepam. This was prescribed in December of 2008 and on June 25, 2009 there were still 3 pills left. This was something he had stopped taking a while ago and Temazepam did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there’s Trazodone. This was issued to him in April of 2009. It was a prescription for 60 pills and on June 25 there were still 38 pills left. This was also something he stopped taking quite some time ago. Trazodone did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there’s Flomax. Flomax has nothing to do with any of this. I don’t even know why they mentioned it.
Then there’s Clonazepam. This was issued in April with 30 pills and on June 25 there were still 8 remaining. Once again, something he was no longer taking. This was not found in his toxicology report either.
Then there’s Tizanidine. A prescription for ten pills was issued on June 7, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 8 left. So in the span of more than two weeks, he took two of these pills. Tizanidine was also not found in the toxicology report.
Last but not least there’s Hydrocodone and Benoquin. I have no idea why these are even listed. They are not medication. They are creams and lotions that Michael used for his skin.
So, out of all of that BS what they found in Michael was: Propofol, Lorazepam, Diazepam, and Tizanidine. And guess who gave him ALL of that in the early morning of June 25, 2009…Dr. Murray.
Murray’s bags were found in the closet
I understand the reader’s idea when she says that lidocaine should be crossed off the list, but suggest we keep it for another purpose – the number of empty lidocaine vials will indirectly show to us how much propofol was administered to Michael.
The empty lidocaine vials were found in the bags used by Murray for hiding away the medication scattered on the floor.
Alvarez remembers that before calling 911 Murray dropped those vials into the bag he was holding open for Murray. Paramedic Sennoff also saw Murray collecting things from the floor when he returned into the room to pick up his equipment.
Ms. Fleak found the bags in the closet during her second visit to the house on June 29 – after Murray was forced to admit to detectives where he had left them. Ms. Fleak made full inventory of the bags and here are the items which attract our attention. First comes the BLACK BAG:
The device for measuring blood pressure was very well packed
1) the blood pressure measuring kit was in a small bag, put into in a cardboard box, stored in a bigger bag. All this shows that the blood pressure measuring device wasn’t close at Murray’s hand and he wasn’t using it for monitoring Michael, otherwise it would have been opened or at least less packed
2) the black bag contained 3 lidocaine 10ml vials, two of which were empty and one was half-full . Exhibit 132.
The first three lidocaine vials were found in the black bag. Two empty, one half full. Exhibit 132
Considering the fact that lidocaine is mixed with propofol in the proportion of 1:10, those two and half empty bottles of lidocaine can give us the idea of how much propofol was given to Michael.
If the cumulative quantity of LIDOCAINE used from those three vials was 25ml, this alone brings us to the estimated quantity of 250ml of propofol, and not 2,5ml (25mg) claimed by Murray.
THE BLUE BAG contained lots of things including the pulse oximeter (which Murray put on Michael’s finger only when he was moved to the floor, and not earlier), a 10ml Lorazepam bottle, 2 vials of midazolam, some debris like an empty cap for a needle or empty packaging for an IV set, etc.
But what is most important is that it contained a huge number of vials, part of which were empty (or used). These included:
– another empty 20ml propofol vial. Exhibit 136. We remember that the first empty vial was found on the floor near the bed and now comes the second one from the bag in the closet. Thus the used-up quantity of propofol grows to 40ml.
– 2 pcs of unopened 100ml propofol vials were also found in the bag (they came from the so-called ‘baby essentials’ bag inside the blue bag) . Exhibit 142.
Out of seven 20ml propofol vials three were consumed by more than a half – exhibit 143. The caps on all vials are still there which means that the drug was accessed by a syringe
– 7 more vials containing 20ml of propofol were found by Ms. Fleak. Exhibit 143.
4 pcs of them were unopened and 3 pcs of them were partially consumed (1st was 20% full, 2nd was half-full, 3d was 15-20% full). Altogether the consumed propofol from these three vials we will come to approximately another 40ml.
So the total figure of used propofol is now growing to 80ml.
Another portion of lidocaine vials. One unopened, two partially consumed. Exhibit 144
– 3 more vials of LIDOCAINE (I remind you that it goes together with propofol) were also found in the blue bag. Two of them were partially consumed. Exhibit 144
It seems that the volume of three lidocaine vials from the blue bag is the same 10ml as the vials from the black bag. If “partially consumed” means that the two vials were at least half-full (though in the picture all of them look empty), this can give us a minimum of 10ml of lidocaine used – which with the help of 1:10 ratio brings us to another estimated 100ml of the propofol administered to Michael.
Then came:
– 3 midazolam vials (two intact, one open). Exhibit 145
– 4 vials of flumazenil (three unopened, one uncapped) – exhibit 146. Flumazenil is used to reverse the effect of Lorazepam
– 2 vials of lorazepam (one unopened, one half-full) – exhibit 147
– 1 bottle of a mixture of ephedrine 25 ml, caffeine 200 ml and aspirin 80 ml from Applied Pharmacies (and therefore ordered by Conrad Murray) – exhibit 148
– and one of the major findings in the bag was a saline bag with a cut in it and a 100 ml empty Propofol vial inside it.
The 100 ml Propofol taken by Ms. Fleak from the saline bag was EMPTY and this is the crucial point
Same as Alvarez Ms. Fleak said that she saw the propofol inside the saline bag, but took one from the other to check what it was and photograph it.
Later in her testimony she will admit that she didn’t make a photo of them when the vial was inside the bag. She first took the vial out, registered it and then placed it on top of the saline bag to take a picture. Her records though say that the vial was inside the bag.
The absence of the initial photo was naturally questioned by Chernoff as he wanted to show that Ms. Fleak had made mistakes in her investigation, but whatever the defense says it does not change the essential thing – the fact that the 100ml vial of propofol was empty.
If we bring all five open 20 ml vials of propofol together – 1) one empty found on the floor 2) another empty found in the bag 3) one 20% full, 4) another one half-full and 5) the last one 15-20% full – this should take us to at least 80ml of propofol administered to Michael that night.
And if we add to it the empty 100 ml bottle from the saline bag, the end result will be at least 180 ml which is a decided difference from the 2,5ml (25mg) Murray is telling us about.
However if we try and approach it from another end, that of lidocaine which goes together with propofol at the ratio of 1:10, the overall quantity of propofol used will become much bigger.
Calculations over Exhibit 132 took us to the estimated quantity of 250ml of propofol used and Exhibit 144 added to it at least 100ml more – thus bringing the overall estimated quantity of propofol used to around 350ml.
Murray gave MJ at least one third of it
Chernoff tried to discredit Ms. Fleak by pointing at small and not too significant discrepancies which did not change the general picture but created the impression that she had done sloppy work. The media naturally had their heyday over it – “Defense grills investigator”, “Defense accuses investigator of shoddy work”, etc.
In comparison with the most media trash this article looks more or less okay. It says that Murray’s fingerprint was found on the 100ml empty Propofol bottle and that Michael Jackson’s fingerprints were not found on any of those bottles, vials or syringes!
Jackson investigator criticized
Alex Dobuzinskis, Reuters
LOS ANGELES – An attorney for Michael Jackson’s in-house doctor challenged a crime scene investigator Thursday and suggested she conducted a shoddy examination of the bedroom where the “Thriller” singer stopped breathing in 2009.
Jurors in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray also heard from a toxicologist, who said he found the anesthetic propofol in Jackson’s blood, liver, urine and stomach. The sedative lorazepam and other medications were also found in his body.
Authorities have ruled that Jackson died of acute propofol intoxication, combined with the sedative lorazepam.
But the day’s most confrontational exchange came during the testimony of coroner’s investigator Elissa Fleak. Murray’s attorney, Ed Chernoff, mounted the defense team’s most forceful challenge since the trial began in Los Angeles Sept. 27.
Murray has admitted to giving Jackson propofol through an intravenous injection as a sleep aid on June 25, 2009. His attorneys say Jackson gave himself an extra, fatal dose of the drug once Murray was out of the room.
Fleak combed through Jackson’s bedroom with police after the singer’s death.
“Would you agree with me that you made a substantial number of mistakes in your investigation?” Chernoff asked her.
Fleak denied that suggestion, but acknowledged her original hand-written notes were destroyed when they were transferred into an official report. “I do that in all my cases,” she added.
Chernoff questioned Fleak on her assertion that a bottle of propofol was found inside an IV bag.
Investigators found the propofol bottle and IV bag stashed inside a shopping bag in a closet area four days after Jackson’s death, Fleak said.
Prosecutors and defense attorneys agree Murray’s fingerprint was on the propofol bottle.
They also stated that Jackson’s fingerprints could not be found on vials of propofol and other drugs retrieved from the bedroom and nearby.
Fleak admitted her original notes did not mention finding the propofol bottle inside the IV bag, and that the first time she placed that in her notes was earlier this year.
But she denied suggestions by Chernoff she had changed her findings to make them fit in with another witness. “I’ve never talked to prosecutors about another witness,” she said.
http://m.torontosun.com/2011/10/07/jackson-investigator-criticized?noimage
Ms. Fleak admitted that she did not mention in her 2009 report the fact that the 100ml propofol bottle was inside the saline bag. Chernoff suggested that she added it after hearing Alaverez’s testimony at the preliminary hearings on March 25, 2011, but during cross-examination by Walgren it was found that this addition was made before the hearings (on January 7, 2011).
Another of Chernoff’s claims was that though Ms. Fleak was at Michael Jackson’s house twice she didn’t mention in her initial report seeing the IV stand. She said she had observed the IV stand and even took a picture on June 25, but made a description of it two days later and included it into her report of June 29 after the second visit (the first one was rather brief – she arrived at 7pm and left at 9pm).
Chernoff also said she didn’t notice three empty bottles of pills on a ledge in a bathroom near the master bedroom (not the one where MJ was found), but later in the day we will learn from Detective Scott that it was him who put them there on June 26, so Fleak could not initially see them.
Questioning her again and again over that empty propofol vial inside the saline bag Chernoff insisted she should have photographed it the way it was without taking one from the other. She agreed that she should, but also noted that she could have also put it back into the bag and taken a photo after it, but she didn’t.
There were two or three more instances of minor inaccuracies and Elissa Fleak admitted she hadn’t done a perfect investigation, but said that she was doing her best and her answers were accurate.
However there was another serious question raised with regard to the saline bag with an empty vial of propofol inside.
Chernoff pointed out that the saline bag was clean and free from any milky substance. This is an argument we will have to agree to though it does contradict Alvarez’s words who said he saw some milky substance inside.
there was no milky substance in the bag
This contradiction is absolutely no tragedy because during the few seconds Alvarez was looking at the bag and in a shocked state he was at that moment, it was impossible to see every minor detail of it– and his assumption that a little bit of substance was there is absolutely logical as the propofol vial lying upside down inside the bag was indeed suggestive of it. The mistake was all the more easy to make since the cap of the bag is white too.
A much more interesting question is why the bag was indeed clean. And the fact that there was no propofol there was confirmed in the testimony of Dan Anderson, toxicologist with the Los Angeles County Coroners office.
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Here is a short review of Dan Anderson‘s testimony based on my notes again.
One of the crucial pieces of his evidence at the trial was a diagram of the IV stand and various tubing attached to it. Unfortunately when Dan Anderson was commenting on it the signal from the court was very poor and much of the information was lost for the viewers. However I managed to make a screenshot of the diagram.
The legend on the diagram reads:
- A. IV bag
- B. Syringe
- C. Y-connector
- D. Short Tube
- E. Clear Tip
- F. Long Tube
- G. White Clamp
- H. White Thumb Clamp
- I. IV bag plug
Initially the news that the saline bag on the IV stand was clean and didn’t contain propofol looked like being in the defense’s favor but the more I think of it the more it looks like it is not.
Picture of the IV stand taken by Ms. Fleak on June 25. It shows the second syringe with traces of propofol and lidocaine in it. The defense implied that someone tampered with it and showed another picture where the tubing is hanging straight. Elissa Fleak explained that initially it was hanging but was released for the purposes of photographing. This is the original photo of it.
The diagram shows that part of the tubing system on the IV stand – from the saline bag (with an empty propofol vial inside it) to a clamp somewhere in the middle of the tubing – was cut off and all propofol went via a shorter side route, from the syringe direct into MJ’s body.
This means that the whole cumulative quantity of the propofol used (which is at least 180 ml judging by the vials calculated above) could be pushed manually. The syringe via which it was pushed was hanging on the stand.
But if all propofol was administered manually by a syringe how come an empty 100ml vial got into a bag on the top of the IV stand?
This question is not idle because it means that someone first pushed all that propofol by a syringe (one 20ml vial dropped on the floor, another 20ml from the bag, three more partially empty 20ml vials and finally a big 100ml vial) and then stood up and put the empty vial into the bag through a slit on it.
Michael is ruled out for obvious reasons and the only other man who could have done it is Murray. Why did he stand up and put it there I wonder?
But let us first see whether Michael could have used a smaller vial of Propofol. An empty 20ml propofol vial was lying on the floor beside the bed.
(Isn’t it interesting that Murray collected everything including scraps of paper and some torn packages except this vial as if leaving it on purpose?)
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What Fleak initially took for a needle turned out to be a catheter
- The 20ml vial was accessible to Michael but in order to extract propofol from it one needs syringe with a needle as the cap on the vial was still on and otherwise it is not accessible.
- A syringe with traces of propofol and lidocaine in it was conveniently left on the nightstand – only it didn’t have any needle. And what Fleak thought to be a needle on the floor turned out to be a catheter. The needle mysteriously disappeared – and it won’t suprise me if it went into Conrad Murray’s pocket.
a syringe without a needle was found on the night stand
Let me make an important point that the syringe did not have Michael’s fingerprints on it.
In fact no Michael’s fingerprints were found on any vials, bottles or saline bags in that bedroom (Prosecutor Walgren read out a special fingerprint analysis report, people’s exhibit 160).
We never believed that Michael could administer any propofol to himself anyway – simply because with the first drops of propofol his muscles would relax and he would be falling asleep, but the absence of fingerprints is the last blow to the “self-administration” theory presented to us by the defense. Michael wasn’t wearing latex gloves as Conrad Murray did and there was no way he could avoid leaving the fingerprints!
If we go once again over one of the possible scenarios of the events, we’ll see that first Murray could push all that propofol via a syringe, then take the needle away and put the only big 100ml bottle of propofol on the top of the IV stand to produce the impression of it being administered via dripping. The vial was even placed there upside down for better effect and he just didn’t have time enough to attach an IV tubing to it to imitate the dripping.
The main point in all this riddle is that the vial could not go into the bag on its own. Someone put it there on purpose – to produce the impression they wanted to produce. Or Propofol could indeed be administered to Michael by a drip, but then the prosecutors will have to explain why the saline bag holding it was clean.
I think that Murray is a big liar and maybe much more than that. His demeanor during the trial and the quiet way he related his story to the detectives shows that he is quite emotionless and is capable of the worst.
I would be only happy if someone refuted my understanding of this situation. Please do.
Here is medical evidence # 1 and #2 submitted by Ms. Fleak and analyzed by the coroner. It is the analysis of separate parts of the IV tubing system from the point of view of where propofol and lidocaine (and flumazenil) were found and were they were not. Two syringes were also examined – the one on the night stand and the other one hanging on the IV stand.
Propofol and lydocaine were found in both syringes as well as the short tubing. But they were not found in the saline bag and the long tubing on top of the IV stand. Does it mean that the empty 100ml propofol bottle didn’t belong there and was put there by someone on purpose?
The only fingerprints on the 100ml empty propofol vial were those of Conrad Murray.
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I will not comment on the 8-page report generated by Dan Anderson’s office as there are people who will do it better than I will. All I will provide here is general information which is easy for us laypeople and should be known by everyone.
Coroner’s report showed Lidocaine 0,84 miligrams per ml, Lorazepam 0, 0169 miligrams per ml and Propofol 2,6 miligrams per ml
Firstly, the report said that there was no Demerol either in blood or urine specimens (when you look for Demerol you look for its metabolites Meperidine and Normeperidine which were not detected, or ND).
Mr. Andersen explained that blood samples show what is happening in the body at present, while urine samples represent the history of medications — what has already gone through the body and what is being expelled from it.
The report showed that Cocaine was Not detected.
Marijuana together with its metabolytes — Not detected.
Amphetamine (Extasy) — Not detected.
Mathamphetamine, codeine, vicodine, morphine — Not detected.
Alprazolan (Xanax) — Not detected.
Diazepam (Valium) — present in the amount of <0,10 micrograms per ml.
Midazolam — present in the amount of 4,6 micrograms per ml.
The major medications found were Lidocaine, Propofol and Lorazepam. Their quantities varied depending on the specimens tested (for example, the urine from a jar on the scene or urine collected during the autopsy). However the biggest numbers were always for Propofol no matter which specimen you took.
Andersen explained that the abbreviation UL stands for miligrams and NG stands for micrograms, therefore UL is a thousand times as big a particle as NG. See the WIKI definition for them:
- One milligram is 1000 micrograms. 0.001 milligrams is equal to 1 microgram. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram
Therefore when we look at the table providing findings for the above three medications you see that though Lorazepam is marked with a bigger number (169 micrograms/ml) it actually stands for only 0,0169 miligrams/ml and is absolutely incomparable to 2,6 miligrams/ml of propofol in the same table.
The amount of propofol found in various specimens was as follows:
Heart blood -3,2 mg/ml
Hospital blood – 4,1 mg/ml
Liver – 6mg/ml
Femoral blood – 2,6mg/ml
Vetrious (the liquid in the eye) – <0,4 mg/ml
In the gastric contents – 0,13 mg/ml
Urine collected during autopsy – 0,15 mg/ml
Urine on the scene – <0,10 mg/ml
Summary toxicology report. Exhibit 169. Click to enlarge
Commenting on the amount of propofol in the gastric contents Dan Andersen said that the 0,13mg/ml found there was so small that it might be compared to 1 sugar crystal in a 1000g sugar pack.
When Flanagan of the Defense asked Andersen fantasy questions which were not easy to understand even by this top professional, we accidentally found out that during the autopsy there were three jars of urine collected from the body which altogether amount to some 530ml. Andersen said that finding this amount in the bladder of a deceased is wholly untypical.
The amount itself is not surprising considering that Murray was constantly dripping saline into Michael’s body (and this is why the saline bag with profopof inside it was empty with only drops of clear saline left on its sides).
What is surprising though is that a big amount of urine can be held by the bladder only if a person is asleep, and this refutes Murray’s story that Michael was wide awake the whole night.
Nikki Alligator (gatorgirl) has earlier made an excellent post on the above called “But I have got to pee” where she explains that the above proves that Michael was asleep when he was administered propofol:
“In a normal person (as in, someone without diabetes insipidus) , someone usually makes urine in proportion the amount of fluids they take in, so, a person who drinks just a little bit of liquid should not pee as much as someone who has taken in a lot of liquids. Murray claims Michael was dehydrated–so Murray may have actually given Michael a lot of IV saline fluids, either for dehydration or some other reason.
So, assuming Murray gave Michael a lot of fluids, for whatever reasons, it caused Michael to produce a lot of urine. Here is where the problem occurs–Michael had 550 mL of urine in his bladder. A normal bladder comfortably holds 300-350 mL of urine. A “full” bladder holds about 500-700 mL of urine.
Michael’s bladder had about 550 mL of urine in it so his bladder was at capacity. The desire to urinate begins to be felt when the bladder is at about 25% of its working value–so, if the working volume was 400 mL for Michael then at about 100 mL Michael should have felt the need to pee. Whatever the percentage, at 550 mL Michael should have felt the need to urinate and urinate ASAP.
But, Murray claims Michael was awake, “demanding” propofol. Really? Michael was awake yet did not think to empty his at-capacity bladder? In fact, Michael should have felt the urge to go well before he passed away but yet died with a full bladder but Murray insists Michael was awake all this time. I seriously doubt an awake Michael consciously held this much urine and did nothing about it, hell, he did not even have to get up to pee since he had a condom catheter on–I think almost certainly Michael was sedated thus did not feel the need to urinate and that is why his bladder was full. He would have peed had he been awake during all that time when Murray claims he was awake demanding this and that and what not.
With Michael creating that amount of urine and holding it all that time one has to ask if Michael EVER awoke at any point on June 25th before he died? It does not seem likely from my point of view.
…a condom catheter does not actually enter the body–it is external and merely collects urine as it is released from the body. It does not help one to urinate or anything like that–it simply collects it and keeps it from soiling the patient…I would think had he been awake he’d have relieved himself well before allowing his bladder to get that full as I don’t think he would have been comfortable with that much urine in his bladder.
… the comments above seem to be yet another indication that Michael was in fact sedated when he was killed.
For full story please go to: http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/03/but-i-have-got-to-pee.html
In a taped talk between Murray and detectives played the next day (September 7) Murray claimed that his patient had problems urinating and this fact could probably make some corrections to the above version, however firstly, we have only Murray’s word for it which is absolutely worthless as we see now and second, even some prostate problems do not rule out the need and desire to urinate when the bladder has some 530ml or 550 ml inside it.
Flanagan tried very hard to impress on the jury a version that Michael’s death was caused by too much Lorazepam which could have been taken orally by the man himself. However Andersen said that the amount of Lorazepam in the stomach contents was minimal and that its presence there is not always due to oral administration.
When Dan Andersen’s testimony was resumed the next day, on September 7, he said again that he could confidently testify from his experience that drugs may be found in the stomachs of decedents even if not taken orally (they come there from the blood).
And it was David Walgren who delivered to the Defense’s theory a fatal blow. He presented an analysis which said that the amount of Lorazepam found in the stomach amounted to 634 micrograms/ml -which if related to tablets – was 1/43d or one forty third of one 2 mg pill!
This quickly resolved the issue of “a big amount of Lorazepam possibly taken orally”. Flanagan had nothing more to say and did not go on with the cross-examination.
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Day 9. September 7
Detective Smith learned of Michael’s death at 3.30 pm and arrived at the medical center at 4.25pm. For some reason Prosecutor David Walgren asked him numerous questions about the time Murray left the building and in what direction he went (he even showed a video of Murray exiting the building). The time Murray exited the hospital was 5.02 pm. He had to walk as he had left his car at Carolwood 100.
Detective Scott didn’t gather any details about Murray that day. He briefly spoke to the security guys Faheem Muhammad and Alberto Alvarez and got their contact information. At approx. 7.15 pm he arrived at Michael Jackson’s house.
At the time it was still a death investigation and not a homicide investigation – the coroner’s report was not ready, so they didn’t know the cause of death.
All the evidence was collected by the Coroner’s investigator Ms. Fleak. Detective Smith said that his role in the process was just an additional pair of eyes. He had his own photographer and was assisting Ms. Fleak. He and Ms. Fleak left the residence at 9.30 pm simultaneously. The house was released to private security at the request of the Jackson family.
The next day he attended the autopsy, but the cause of death was still unclear and they had to wait for the toxicology report. On June 26 Scott returned to Carolwood 100 as he received a word from the Coroner’s office that some additional evidence had been provided by the family. It turned out to be rotten marijuana.
When Walgren asked him if that evidence was anything meaningful the detective said: “Not whatsoever”.
Besides that rotten thing Smith also found 3 discarded empty bottles of medication two of all of which were prescribed by Murray (Lorazepam in 2mg pills on April 2 and Diazepam on April 14), and one by Arnold Klein on May 3. He said that he placed them on the ledge for taking a photo and this is why Ms. Fleak could not see them there the previous night (the fact that she overlooked them there was one of the reasons why Chernoff was finding fault with her).
On June 27 he and Detective Martinez met Murray who was accompanied by his lawyer Ed Chernoff. The interview was recorded. Here is a link to the transcript: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1007_conrad_murray_transcript.pdf
I hope there will be a time to analyze it in detail. At the moment let me just state here our very first impressions of it. Lynette has written about it:
- “He went into that interview with one intention and that was to make anyone other than himself look guilty of everything from administering propofol to not letting people pee in the house and making them go to the gas station on the corner that is non existent. Yes I did a Mapquest search and there is no gas station on the corner, so how far did those poor security guards have to go to go to the bathroom? And then to add that bit about him thinking that was inhumane and how he talked MJ into letting them pee in the house? What a hero to the common man he is.
Oh and if you want to “wean” someone off a drug the key to being sucessful is to stop ordering more and more of it like 4.9 gallons of it. Good grief that is enough to anesthetize 100 people for major abdominal surgery.
Did anyone else notice that Chernoff looked a little red in the face when this thing was played. He should be embarrassed to listen to this”.
Chernoff is listening to Murray’s tape
I agree, Chernoff looked very embarrased while listening to all those lies – most probably because Murray turned out a worse liar than any of us and even him could ever expect.
Murray’s lies are endless. There are so many of them that it is impossible to list them all – from minor things like him ” insisting on calling a social worker to take care of Michael’s children” (it is part of the hospital protocol as the doctors said) to serious claims that he was “monitoring Michael’s pulse with pulse oximeter all the time” (Alvarez saw him clipping that device to Michael’s finger only when they placed him on the floor).
From all the variety of lies I will cite only two in order to show how incredibly bold his lies are and how willing he is to shift all the blame onto Michael’s shoulders.
All of us remember that Murray asked Michael Williams Amir to take him back to the house motivating it by the need to take away some creams “Michael didn’t want the world to know about”. Fortunately Williams didn’t go for it or otherwise Murray would have taken away and destroyed all incriminating evidence (leaving the bags with unimportant bottles and clean syringes there).
And now please have a look at how Murray explains why he left the bags in that closet cupboard. He doesn’t know that they have not found them yet. See the smooth story he is making of it and how he tries to shift all the blame to Michael again and again:
DETECTIVE SMITH: WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THOSE SYRINGES WHEN YOU WERE DONE WITH THEM?
DR. MURRAY: WELL, I USUALLY HAVE MY BAGS RIGHT THERE. EVERYTHING I USE, I WOULD PUT IT QUICKLY INTO THE BAGS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT IT INTO THE CUPBOARD, BECAUSE HE WANTED ME TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING HANGING AROUND.
DETECTIVE SMITH: WHERE’S YOUR BAG WHERE THOSE SYRINGES WOULD BE AT NOW?
MR. CHERNOFF: OH, REALLY?
DR.MURRAY: I DON’T HAVE THEM.
MR. CHERNOFF: I THOUGHT YOU LEFT IT THERE.
DR. MURRAY: YEAH, I DID.
DETECTIVE SMITH: WHERE? WHERE DID YOU LEAVE IT?
DR. MURRAY: IN THAT SAME BEDROOM, IN THE CLOSET, WHERE IT ALWAYS STAYS.
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. WHICH CLOSET? IT’S A MESS.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: IT’S 45 CUPBOARDS.
DR. MURRAY: YEAH, IF YOU WALK INTO THE DRESSING ROOM AND YOU TURN RIGHT, THE HIGH LEVEL TOP, THE BAGS ARE RIGHT THERE WITH THE ITEMS IN IT AND THE MEDICATION.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: IS THAT THE CLOSET THAT HAS THE GLASS CABINETS WITH HIS JACKETS?
DR. MURRAY: YES. BUT THIS WILL BE TOO SHORT STUBS HIGHER UP THERE. HE SHOWED ME THAT CABINET. HE WANTED ME TO KEEP THE THINGS THERE WITH MY BAGS AND SO.
DETECTIVE SMITH: AND THAT’S WHERE YOU LEFT YOUR BAGS THAT NIGHT?
DR. MURRAY: YEAH.
DETECTIVE SMITH: BLACK ATTACHE BAGS?
DR. MURRAY: THREE BAGS. THERE WERE THREE. ONE IS A LITTLE COTSCO BLUE BAG. ONE IS A BLACK SMALL BAG. THE OTHER ONE IS A LITTLE BLUE BAG THAT HAS A ZIPPER AT THE TOP OF IT
MR. PENA: AND YOU LEFT IT THERE BECAUSE YOU WENT DIRECTLY WITH THE E.M.T.’S TO THE HOSPITAL AND NEVER WENT BACK TO THE HOUSE; RIGHT?
DR. MURRAY: OH, BUT – YEAH, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE STAYED THERE ANYWAY UNTIL I CAME BACK THE NEXT NIGHT AND HELP HIM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE I.V. CATHETERS AND EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.
DETECTIVE SMITH: AND THAT WAS NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS FOR YOU. IT’S NOTHING –
DR. MURRAY: YEAH.
the closet near the bedroom had 45 cupboards and was easy to hide things
So it was normal course of business for Murray to collect all the left-overs and leave them in the closet until “next time”? And he even implies that he did everything following Michael’s instructions? Though all Michael did was showing him a place where he could store his belongings?
What a pack of lies this story is – meant to give a plausible explanation why he cleared all those empty vials from the scene of crime!
First, we know that he was hiding the empty vials of propofol and lidocaine used in order to return to the house later and take them away.
Second, the bags he collected in Alvarez’s presence contained not just clean IV catheters or sterile medication but also scrap papers, torn packaging, empty vials of lidocaine and propofol, used syringes, etc. – anything that might speak to what medication and how much of it was administered that night.
Besides the clearly criminal intentions of these actions let me also note that no normal doctor will ever keep sterile medication with waste material picked up from the floor – even if he was not involved in any criminal activity prior to that!
But what makes Murray’s smooth story about “keeping everything together” even more false than it is, is the fact that it is simply impossible to leave used-up propofol vessels either in a bag, or in the room, or wherever. These things cannot be kept until “next time” because propofol deteriorates very quickly and after some 12 hours the open vials disseminate bacteria all over the place!
Please see the official instructions for disposing of propofol – – microbial contamination associated with it is so serious that it may result in a sepsis and death of a patient:
Propofol Injectable Emulsion 1% FOR IV ADMINISTRATION
- Strict aseptic technique must always be maintained during handling. Propofol injectable emulsion is a single-use parenteral product which contains sodium metabisulfite (0.25 mg/mL) to retard the rate of growth of microorganisms in the event of accidental extrinsic contamination. However, Propofol Injectable Emulsion can still support the growth of microorganisms as it is not an antimicrobially preserved product under usp standards. Accordingly, strict aseptic technique must still be adhered to. Do not use if contamination is suspected. Discard unused portions as directed within the required time limits (see DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION – Handling Procedures). There have been reports in which failure to use aseptic technique when handling Propofol injectable emulsion was associated with microbial contamination of the product and with fever, infection/sepsis, other life-threatening illness, and/or death. http://www.drugs.com/pro/propofol.html
Murray may hope to claim that those vials were collected for several days prior to June 25, but even if he claims a ridiculous thing like that, it will still be totally criminal to administer any medication in so terribly anti-sanitation conditions. Even if he clutches at this last straw none of us will ever believe it.
If the police had known at the time that it would turn out to be a homicide case they could have made a relative bacteria analysis of those vials to see at what time they were opened. However even the way it is his negligence is so gross, actions so strange and lies so ourageous that all this is quite enough to charge him with a second and possibly first degree murder….
Another instance of terrible Murray’s lies is the story he tells about the crucial 11.00 o’clock time in the morning of June 25, 2009.
First here is the way he describes that moment in his police interview. I wanted to redact it a bit but then decided to leave everything intact for you to see how keen Murray is on drowning Michael in mud:
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. SO YOU GAVE HIM THIS PROPOFOL.
DR. MURRAY: YES.
DETECTIVE SMITH: DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT WHAT TIME IT WAS NOW? THE LAST TIME I GOT WAS ABOUT 10:00 O’CLOCK, WHEN THERE WAS STILL NO EFFECT AND HE’S COMPLAINING THAT HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO CANCEL.
DR. MURRAY: IT WAS — I KNEW I LOOKED AT THE TIME. I LOOKED AT THE SUN. AND IT WAS — IT WAS — I SAW 10:30. SO I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY 10:40.
DETECTIVE SMITH: HOW MUCH DID YOU ADMINISTER INITIALLY?
DR. MURRAY: 2 5 MILLIGRAMS. [vmj: 2,5ml]
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY 10:40 NOW, GIVE OR TAKE?
DR. MURRAY: WELL, BY 10:40, WE — WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING. SO BY THE TIME I WITHDRAW IT FROM THE BOTTLE, GET IT DILUTED — I HAD TO DILUTE IT, AND USUALLY I DILUTE IT WITH LIDOCAINE, L-I-D-O-C-A-I-N-E, BECAUSE IT COULD BE VERY — IT BURNS THE VESSELS. IN THE SENSE OF THE SIDE EFFECT, IT CAUSES IT TO BURN
DETECTIVE SMITH: AND I’M SORRY. YOU GAVE HIM HOW MUCH NOW?
DR. MURRAY: 2 5 MILLIGRAMS. [vmj: 25mg equals 2,5ml]
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. AND ALWAYS THE SAME WAY.
DR. MURRAY: YES.
DETECTIVE SMITH: REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU WERE GIVING HIM, WAS INTO THE —
DR. MURRAY: YES, I PUSHED IT.
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY.
DR. MURRAY: UH-HUH.
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. I AM SORRY I INTERRUPTED YOU. BUT WE WERE GETTING TOWARDS THE TIME AT 10:40, YOU REALIZED THAT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING, AND SO BY THE TIME YOU GOT YOUR THINGS TOGETHER AND YOU PUSHED IT, IT WAS —
DR. MURRAY: IT WOULDN’T TAKE A LONG TIME FOR ME TO JUST WITHDRAW FROM A VIAL AND DILUTE IT WITH THE LIDOCAINE, WHICH IS A LOCAL ANESTHETIC AGENT THAT, YOU KNOW, ALSO IS A SODIUM BLOCKER TO MAKE HIM NOT FEEL THE BURNING SENSATION OF THE SLOW INJECTION. SO I HAD A TOTAL OF MEDICATION MIXED WITH THE LIDOCAINE, AND I ADMINISTERED IT.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: OKAY. DOES THAT TAKE YOU ABOUT AN EXTRA 5 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES?
DR. MURRAY: SLOWLY INFUSED. SLOWLY INFUSED OVER, I WOULD SAY, 3 TO 5 MINUTES.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: 3 TO 5?
DR. MURRAY: YEAH, BECAUSE THE EFFECT IS GONE VERY QUICKLY.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: SO WE’RE LOOKING LIKE AT 10:50ISH.
DR. MURRAY: YES. YEAH, THE EFFECT IS GONE VERY QUICKLY. SO THE EFFECT WAS ONLY LAST — ONLY LASTS ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
DETECTIVE SMITH: OKAY. SO NOW WE’RE AT ROUGHLY 10:50, 11:00 O’CLOCK.
DR. MURRAY: UH-HUH.
DETECTIVE SMITH: WHAT TAKES PLACE NEXT?
DR. MURRAY: WELL, YOU KNOW, HE’S NOW ASLEEP, YOU KNOW.
DETECTIVE SMITH: HE DOES GO TO SLEEP.
…
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: OKAY. WE’RE GOING TO GET BACKON TRACK. WE’RE AT ABOUT 10:50 HOURS.
MURRAY: UH-HUH.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: WHERE YOU GIVE HIM THE PROPOFOL. WE’VE GONE INTO THE HISTORY OF HOW HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT IT. HE’S THE ONE WHO REQUESTED YOU —
DR. MURRAY: YES.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: –FOR IT, GIVING YOU SOME PRESSURE.
MR. CHERNOFF: WE GOT THE MILLIGRAMS, 25.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: 25 MILLIGRAMS, HALF OF WHAT YOU NORMALLY GIVE. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
DR. MURRAY: I AM — I’M MONITORING HIM AT THE HOUSE. AND HE FELL ASLEEP.
DETECTIVE SMITH: 11:00 O’CLOCK NOW? LATER?
DR. MURRAY: HE FELL ASLEEP FAIRLY QUICKLY, I WOULD SAY. BUT HE WAS NOT SNORING. NORMALLY, IF HE’S IN DEEP SLEEP, HE WOULD BE SNORING. I WAS A LITTLE BIT HESITANT THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY JUMP OUT OF SLEEP, BECAUSE THAT IS – HE DOES. HE JUST (SNAPS) GETS UP LIKE THAT, AND HIS EYES GOES, AND HE’S WIDE AWAKE. AND WHENEVER HE’S UP, HE REACHES FOR HIS I.V. SITE.
… I MONITORED HIM. I SAT THERE AND WATCH HIM FOR LONG ENOUGH PERIOD THAT I FELT COMFORTABLE. THEN I NEEDED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. SO I GOT UP, WENT TO THE BATHROOM TO RELEASE MYSELF OF URINE AND ALSO CONSIDER GETTING RID OF SOME OF HIS URINATION THAT HE HAD PUT IN THE JUGS OVERNIGHT.
THEN I CAME BACK TO HIS BEDSIDE AND WAS STUNNED IN THE SENSE THAT HE WASN’T BREATHING.
…
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAD THE IMPRESSION HE WASN’T BREATHING, AND YOU SAID HIS PULSE WAS HIGH?
DR. MURRAY: WHEN I CAME BACK, YEAH.
DETECTIVE MARTINEZ: GO ON.
DR. MURRAY: BEDSIDE AND MY CLINICAL OBSERVATION. SO IMMEDIATELY I FELT FOR A PULSE, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET A THREADY PULSE IN THE FEMORAL REGION.
HIS BODY WAS WARM. THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN COLOR. SO I — I ASSUMED THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY, JUST ABOUT THE TIME I WAS GONE, WITHIN THAT TIME AND COMING BACK. SO I STARTED IMMEDIATELY TO PERFORM C.P.R. AND MOUTH-TO-MOUTH RESUSCITATION.
Let us go over it again.
He says that he “looks at the sun” and checks up the time – it is 10.30. Then he dilutes the propofol with lidocaine and about 10 minutes later starts administering it slowly. It takes him 3 to 5 minutes to make the injection. This brings us to 10.43-10.45. He says that the effect of the injection will last only for 15 minutes – which takes us to 11.00. Then he monitored him for some time, then he left his side for 2 minutes after which he found Michael not breathing. So soon after 11.00 o’clock he began to frantically work on his heart, ventilation, etc.
This was Murray’s story told to the detectives on June 27, 2009 or two days after the event. Let us just compare his story with what was really happening at the described crucial period of time according to his phone-calls:
At 10.34 his employee Stacey Ruggles called him and they talked for 8 and a half minutes. This takes us to 10.43.
At 11:07 (when he supposedly started working on reviving Michael) Murray called Stacy Ruggls back and they talked for another minute.
And at 11:17 he sent a long email to Bob Taylor who is a broker of London insurers.
What really happened will hopefully become clear later, but isn’t it the above information enough for us to see that ALL MURRAY’S STORIES ARE JUST A HUGE PACK OF LIES?
And after that some people dare say Murray is not responsible for what he did to Michael?
Here is the email mentioned above in case you forgot it – it was sent by Conrad Murray at 11.17 Los Angeles time on June 25, or at the moment when he says he was doing CPR on Michael Jackson:
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After learning so much from just two telephone calls I decided to dig a little deeper and find out the chart of all calls made to and from Murray on June 25, 2009.
Hopefully it will tell us more about what really happened on that tragic day.
The description of all calls to and from Murray’s cell phones that morning is found in the testimony of Detective Myers at the preliminary hearings: http://teammichaeljackson.com/p-v-cm-dan-myers
Most probably his testimony will come during this very week but I am too impatient to wait for it and will base my conclusions on what Dan Myers said previously.
Murray’s calls will enable us to draw a timeline of the events, determine the real background for what was happening in that room on June 25, 2009 and compare it with Murray’s story told to Detective Martinez and Smith on June 27, 2009. Detective Myers gives the following timeline:
5: 54 am An email comes from London from Bob Taylor who writes that the insurers require full information MJ’s various medical conditions including the period of the 2005 trial or otherwise the insurance could be called into question. The email is long and demanding. It demands a 5-year medical record of the artist and lots of other information concerning press reports on Michael’s back injury, lupus, reasons why he appears in wheelchair, whether he has skin cancer, etc.
…. 7:01 am Murray calls Andrew Butler. Butler says that Murray is his doctor and friend. He doesn’t remember if he received a call from Murray that morning but acknowledges Murray’s number.
8:49 am a call is placed to Murray by Antoinette Gill, his patient and friend. She says she spoke to Murray. The reason why she called is because she “received a letter in the mail indicating that he was not going to be in the office. Someone else would be seeing her, and that she called the doctor to ask, to inquire”.
9:23 am a call comes in from Marissa, a girlfriend of Channel, Murray’s daughter. She says this telephone number belongs to Channel.
10:14 am a call comes from Acres Home And Cardiac Care, the clinic where Murray practiced in Texas.
10:22 – 10:24 am a call comes from Dr. Prashad. It is a consultation about one of Murray’s patients. The prosecutor tells it all in one sentence: “So Dr. Prashad conveyed to you that in her short telephone call of approximately less than two minutes, 111 seconds, Dr. Murray was able to recollect the patient that she was referring to, provide her with necessary information concerning that patient’s current prescription and medication needs, as well as a previous procedure some two months earlier that Dr. Murray had conducted on that patient?” “Correct”.
10:34 am a call comes from Murray’s personal assistant Stacey Ruggles . They “discussed a document that was to be drafted to the London medical boards indicating his pending arrival and what facilities may be available to him, if needed”. She says that Dr. Murray doesn’t sound distracted or tired, as Detective Myers testifies:
Q. Dr. Murray was directing her, requesting of her to draft a letter concerning his activities at the upcoming tour in London?
A. That’s correct.
Q. Did you ask Ms. Howe-Ruggles whether or not Conrad Murray seemed distracted or preoccupied at any time during the phone conversation that she had with him on June 25, 2009?
A Yes, I did.
Q. What was her response?
A. She did not indicate that he appeared to be distracted or tired.
11:07 – 11:08 am Murray places a call to Stacey Ruggles and speaks to her for one minute.
11:17 am Murray sends out an email to Bob Taylor of the insurance company in London.
11:18 – 11:49 am comes a call from Murray’s Las Vegas practice. It lasts for 32 minutes.
Quote:
Q Moving to 11:18 a.m., a call from (702) 862-0973 placed to (702) 866-6802. That call duration reflects 32 minutes. Detective, did you contact the (702) number that ends 6802 during your investigation to make determination as to who that number belongs to?
A Yes, and I was actually at the location as well.
Q What is that location associated with that telephone number?
A It was Dr. Murray’s practice in Houston — in Las Vegas. It is known as global cardiovascular & associates.
11:26 am a call comes from Bridgette Morgan over another cell phone. Murray does not answer it. He is talking to his Las Vegas practice.
11:49 am a voicemail is sent by Murray to his patient Robert Russell which lasts 3 minutes. In his testimony Russell explained that on June 25 he called Murray’s office and expressed his frustration at continuous cancellation of his appointments with the doctor. Both his June 15 and June 22 appointments had been cancelled and he wanted to know where he stood. Only a few weeks prior to that he had been near death and now he had no information whatsoever and was not referred to any other cardiologist.
When calling Murray’s office he said that he expected a return call or he would proceed to legal action. He said he felt abandoned and needed answers. In reply to his complaints a voice mail from Murray came at 11:49 am. In his message Murray was saying that the patient’s “heart was repaired”. Russell was pleased that Dr. Murray responded so quickly but was disappointed that there was still no information about another doctor to whom he could be referred.
11:51 – 12:01 am Murray calls Sade Alding. She says that 5-6 minutes into the call she realizes that Murray is not responding. She hears a cough and mumbling of voices. She listens to that noise for some 3-4 minutes and then hangs up. She tries to call him again but he does not respond.
Quote:
Q Moving now to a call at 11:51 a.m., a call from Conrad Murray’s number ending 0973 to telephone number (562) 881-2570. Did you contact that (562) number during your investigation for purposes of determining who that number belonged to in June of 2009?
A Yes.
Q Who did you speak with?
A Ms. Sade Anding.
12:12 pm Murray types a message from the same telephone to Michael Amir Williams, assistant to Michael Jackson. He is writing: Please call me right away. Williams calls him back at 12:13. “Where are you?” asks Murray. Williams says, “I am in downtown”. Murray: “Get here right away. He had a bad reaction!”
Q Moving now to 12:12 p.m., we have a call from Conrad Murray’s 0973 number to (562) 881-2570. You verified that Michael Amir Williams, that was his telephone number in 2009, correct?
A Yes, ma’am.
1:08 pm Murray calls his girlfriend Nicole Alvarez by whom he has a son and with whom he is living in Los Angeles. In her testimony she said he told her that he was on the way to the hospital in the ambulance with Mr. Jackson and that she should not be alarmed … “because he knew she would learn this through the news.” The paramedics who overheard the conversation recalled Murray saying: “It’s about Michael, and it doesn’t look good.”
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If you ask for my interpretation of the above I will say that ever since Conrad Murray received a long and demanding email from the insurers in London at about 6 o’clock in the morning he was was extremely busy with various business matters. In addition to the insurance his patient threatened to sue him and a doctor called him for a consultation about another of his patients.
Conrad Murray simply had no time for Michael Jackson.
Beginning with the 10:14 call he is on the phone practically non-stop talking, typing emails, sending voicemails.
First Dr. Prashad calls him at 10:22 to consult him about one of his patients.
Then his employee Ruggles talks to him about the insurance at 10:34 am. He asks her to draft a letter to Bob Taylor of the insurance company, then calls her back, receives the draft email, checks it up and sends it out to London at 11:17. After settling that problem he attends to Robert Russell.
His assistant Ruggles has evidently told him about the imminent legal complaint from Robert Russell unless he answers his calls. So Murray first talks to his Las Vegas staff for 32 minutes to find out what he wants and what he can answer him in respect of his health condition. When that conversation is over at 11:49, he immediately starts dictating a voicemail to Russell. The voicemail is registered as going out at 11:49.
He simply cannot stop talking and at 11:51 he calls his girlfriend Sade Alding. And 5-6 minutes after the conversation started he finally notices that his patient is not breathing.
By the condition of Michael’s body temperature and other signs he realizes that Michael has been dead for about an hour already. After the initial panic and some frantic movements he runs back and forth to the chef in the kitchen, writes to Michael Amir Williams and starts the CPR.
Only he is late in taking action by more than an hour.
In fact Michael could have died earlier than that (and Murray wouldn’t have noticed it either), but since he is still a doctor he managed to calculate the approximate time of his death by the condition of his skin, body temperature, etc.
This is why during his interview with Detectives Martinez and Scott on June 27 he blurts out the approximate real time of Michael’s death – sometime around 11 0’clock – either because he is afraid the police will be able to determine it by themselves (and he doesn’t want to be caught in this lie) or because in his panic he isn’t able to think of anything better.
In any case the description of his real actions on that day shows that the story he related to the detectives in his June 27 interview IS A COMPLETE LIE. Among many other things the real timeline shows that Michael was most probably asleep while Murray was attending to his business.
The sadness that Michael Jackson’s life was in the hands of this man is indescribable.
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Suzy sent us the following message which closes week 2 of the trial:
After the recording of Michael’s voice was heard in court on Wednesday, Michael’s drummer, Jonathan Moffett sent a wonderful message directed to all those who ever doubted Michael.
“NOW will you understand? Those of you who doubted…Those of you who accused…Those of you who were so insensitive? Those who didn’t and couldn’t understand? You ridiculed, judged, persecuted and hounded….Drove him into the ground! Now, do you see? After hearing the recordings yesterday – The recordings from the heart of his soul? Even when and while he was in the control of and under the influence of his handlers, who aided, abetted and supplied his impairment of state of being he was focused on caring – caring for others. Dedicating his future, his life, his heart, his mind and his soul to the needs of those, who are left to suffer. Even in the face of what he was dealing with was evident on the betrayal taped recording. From a genuine loving man…these sentiments flowed. “My babies!” “My children!” “I must help them.” “They need help.” “I want to help them.” “I love them all!” Angelic indeed! A loving man who walked and labored among us. Bore compassion for and with others in mind – Can you finally see the beautiful man? Wonderful human being? Truly, honestly wonderful! The ‘angel among us doing God’s Work. God’s will. Behind the scenes, un-publicized. Hopes and dreams recorded in private…though by betrayal.
Those who doubted…You NOW have compassion for the one who showed, had and bore compassion for and towards SO many others in dire need. All those who now will never come to know, the benefits of his hearts desire to help them. Help that because of what has been done, will and shall never come. Help, now never to arrive for all those he spoke and hurt for. Children all over the world who needed him. All those with no hope – His help and caring was forthcoming. Now, never to be realized. Thus, they’ll continue to suffer, trapped within their spirits, hearts, souls and minds of depression. For their ‘ANGEL OF CARE’ has been taken away by negligence.”
Jonathan Moffett”
Source: http://www.mjworld.net/news/2011/10/10/angel-of-care/
Vindicating Michael 
“your conclusions according to the timeline are the only ones possible. When Murray noticed that Michael didn’t breathe, he knew exactly that he could not be helped anymore, that it was too late. That’s why he didn’t call 911 and why he didn’t tell Michael Amir exactly what happened. If he had seen a chance to save him he (probably or normally) would have given a different message or instruction. The time he wasted after he realized Michael didn’t breathe shows that he knew exactly that it was too late. Then he made up a story to get out of this situation as unharmed as possible. “
Susanne, yes, it looks very much like it. This might be a sort of a platform from which we could look at the details which will be disclosed there.
However I would like to ask all the readers to check up on all conclusions made in post 2 – regarding the amount of the propofol used or the location of this or that evidence, for example. Even a small mistake may lead in the wrong direction which should be avoided by all means. We really need to know the truth and stretching facts is not a way to reach it.
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Helena, your conclusions according to the timeline are the only ones possible. When Murray noticed that Michael didn’t breathe, he knew exactly that he could not be helped anymore, that it was too late. That’s why he didn’t call 911 and why he didn’t tell Michael Amir exactly what happened. If he had seen a chance to save him he (probably or normally) would have given a different message or instruction. The time he wasted after he realized Michael didn’t breathe shows that he knew exactly that it was too late. Then he made up a story to get out of this situation as unharmed as possible.
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In the PDR here it states that Midazolam used for sedation should not be given without rescutative equipment being available.This due to danger of apnea.Also recommended to be administered by anestetist.There is a warning giving it to someone with low blood pressure.Lorazepam comes only in 1 mg tablets here. The daily dose varies in individuals, rec. dose for 24 hrs is 2-3 mgs divided in several doses.As complications depression of breathing and apnea are mentioned.Additional adverse reactions are paradoxical reactions,
with agitation,inability to sleep and inappropriate irritability and aggression.Midazolam can cause fatal cardiac irregularities.-Now all these benzodiazepines impairs recall. -It is only natural that a small amount of Lorazepam was found in stomach. The stomach is not an organ separate from the rest of the body, but has bloodvessels and capillaries in i´ts walls.Propofol has to split off the fatty part before it can diffuse.-Now ofcourse the amount of propofol is what caused the death.This only shows how dangerously and carelessly dr murray practiced all along.-His lies will complicate the trial proceedings as every unlikely possibility he and his defence comes up with needs somekind of response. w
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After the recording of Michael’s voice was heard in court on Wednesday, Michael’s drummer, Jonathan Moffett message directed to all those who ever doubted Michael.
“NOW will you understand? Those of you who doubted…Those of you who accused…Those of you who were so insensitive? Those who didn’t and couldn’t understand? You ridiculed, judged, persecuted and hounded….Drove him into the ground! Now, do you see? After hearing the recordings yesterday – The recordings from the heart of his soul? Even when and while he was in the control of and under the influence of his handlers, who aided, abetted and supplied his impairment of state of being he was focused on caring – caring for others. Dedicating his future, his life, his heart, his mind and his soul to the needs of those, who are left to suffer. Even in the face of what he was dealing with was evident on the betrayal taped recording. From a genuine loving man…these sentiments flowed. “My babies!” “My children!” “I must help them.” “They need help.” “I want to help them.” “I love them all!” Angelic indeed! A loving man who walked and labored among us. Bore compassion for and with others in mind – Can you finally see the beautiful man? Wonderful human being? Truly, honestly wonderful! The ‘angel among us doing God’s Work. God’s will. Behind the scenes, un-publicized. Hopes and dreams recorded in private…though by betrayal.
Those who doubted…You NOW have compassion for the one who showed, had and bore compassion for and towards SO many others in dire need. All those who now will never come to know, the benefits of his hearts desire to help them. Help that because of what has been done, will and shall never come. Help, now never to arrive for all those he spoke and hurt for. Children all over the world who needed him. All those with no hope – His help and caring was forthcoming. Now, never to be realized. Thus, they’ll continue to suffer, trapped within their spirits, hearts, souls and minds of depression. For their ‘ANGEL OF CARE’ has been taken away by negligence.”
Jonathan Moffett”
Source: http://www.mjworld.net/news/2011/10/10/angel-of-care/
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One more piece was added to his post. It is Tim Lopez’s testimony on Day 6 together with an excellent article from http://lawmedconsultant.com/2458/stunning-propofol-evidence-in-jackson-physician-manslaughter-trial
Among many things it pointed out the following detail:
“On autopsy, instead of the small amount of propofol one would have expected to be found in Jackson’s system on toxicology examination, they instead found a very large amount expected from a high dose which would have produced general anesthesia for a number of adults and cessation of breathing. Further, this level was in the BLOOD, indicating that Jackson died immediately after being bolused with what would have been a ~100 ml vial (1000 mg). When someone dies, their metabolism of any drugs in their system ceases, so whatever is found in the blood at autopsy is what was in the blood at time of death”.
If we are to believe Murray that Michael stopped breathing at 11 o’clock , at around that time he administered him not 25 ml as he said, but 100ml from that only one 100ml vial which was found empty in that bedroom.
And he did it manually, by a syringe – as the IV bag was clean of propofol.
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Guys, I’ve added the timeline of the events to the post. It is a very sad read.
Here it is:
The description of all calls to and from Murray’s cell phones that morning is found in the testimony of Detective Myers at the preliminary hearings. Most probably his testimony will come during this very week but I am too impatient to wait for it and will base my conclusions on what Dan Myers said previously. Murray’s calls will enable us to draw a timeline of the events, determine the real background for what was happening in that room on June 25, 2009 and compare it with Murray’s story told to Detective Martinez and Scott on June 27, 2009.
5: 54 am An email comes from London from Bob Taylor who writes that the insurers require full information MJ’s various medical conditions including the period of the 2005 trial or otherwise the insurance could be called into question. The email is long and demanding. It demands a 5-year medical record of the artist and lots of other information concerning press reports on Michael’s back injury, lupus, reasons why he appears in wheelchair, whether he has skin cancer, etc.
…. 7:01 am Murray calls Andrew Butler. Butler says that Murray is his doctor and friend. He doesn’t remember if he received a call from Murray that morning but acknowledges Murray’s number (evidently in the printout of calls).
8:49 am a call is placed to Murray by Antoinette Gill, his patient and friend. She says she spoke to Murray. The reason why she called is because she “received a letter in the mail indicating that he was not going to be in the office. Someone else would be seeing her, and that she called the doctor to ask, to inquire”.
9:23 am a call comes in from a girlfriend of Channel, Murray’s daughter.
10:14 am a call comes from Acres Home And Cardiac Care, the clinic where Murray practiced in Texas.
10:22 – 10:24 am a call comes from Dr. Prashad. It is a consultation about one of Murray’s patients. The prosecutor tells it all in one sentence: “So Dr. Prashad conveyed to you that in her short telephone call of approximately less than two minutes, 111 seconds, Dr. Murray was able to recollect the patient that she was referring to, provide her with necessary information concerning that patient’s current prescription and medication needs, as well as a previous procedure some two months earlier that Dr. Murray had conducted on that patient?” “Correct”.
10:34 am a call comes from Murray’s personal assistant Stacey Ruggles . They “discussed a document that was to be drafted to the London medical boards indicating his pending arrival and what facilities may be available to him, if needed”. She says that Dr. Murray doesn’t sound distracted or tired, as Detective Myers testifies:
Q. Dr. Murray was directing her, requesting of her to draft a letter concerning his activities at the upcoming tour in London?
A. That’s correct
Q. Did you ask Ms. Howe-Ruggles whether or not Conrad Murray seemed distracted or preoccupied at any time during the phone conversation that she had with him on June 25, 2009?
A Yes, I did.
Q. What was her response?
A. She did not indicate that he appeared to be distracted or tired.
11:07 – 11:08 am Murray places a call to Stacey Ruggles and speaks to her for one minute.
11:17 am Murray sends out an email to Bob Taylor of the insurance company in London.
11:18 – 11:49 am comes a call from Murray’s Las Vegas practice. It lasts for 32 minutes.
Quote:
Q Moving to 11:18 a.m., a call from (702) 862-0973 placed to (702) 866-6802. That call duration reflects 32 minutes. Detective, did you contact the (702) number that ends 6802 during your investigation to make determination as to who that number belongs to?
A Yes, and I was actually at the location as well.
Q What is that location associated with that telephone number?
A It was Dr. Murray’s practice in Houston — in Las Vegas. It is known as global cardiovascular & associates.
11:26 am a call comes from Bridgette Morgan over another cell phone. Murray does not answer it. He is talking to his Las Vegas practice.
11:49 am a voicemail is sent by Murray to his patient Robert Russell which lasts 3 minutes. In his testimony Russell explained that on June 25 he called Murray’s office and expressed his frustration at continuous cancellation of his appointments with the doctor. Both his June 15 and June 22 appointments had been cancelled and he wanted to know where he stood. Only a few weeks prior to that he had been near death and now he had no information whatsoever and was not referred to any other cardiologist.
When calling Murray’s office he said that he expected a return call or he would proceed to legal action. He said he felt abandoned and needed answers. So a voice mail from Murray came at 11:49 am. In his message Murray was saying that the patient’s “heart was repaired”. Russell was pleased that Dr. Murray responded so quickly but was disappointed that there was still no information about another doctor to whom he could be referred.
11:51 – 12:01 am Murray calls Sade Alding. She says that 5-6 minutes into the calls she realizes that Murray is not responding. She hears a cough and mumbling of voices. She listens to that noise for some 3-4 minutes and then hangs up. She tries to call him again but he does not respond.
Quote:
Q Moving now to a call at 11:51 a.m., a call from Conrad Murray’s number ending 0973 to telephone number (562) 881-2570. Did you contact that (562) number during your investigation for purposes of determining who that number belonged to in June of 2009?
A Yes.
Q Who did you speak with?
A Ms. Sade Anding.
12:12 pm Murray types a message from the same telephone to Michael Amir Williams, assistant to Michael Jackson. He is writing: “Please call me right away”. Williams calls him back at 12:13. “Where are you?” asks Murray. Williams says, “I am in downtown”. Murray: “Get here right away. He had a bad reaction!”
Q Moving now to 12:12 p.m., we have a call from Conrad Murray’s 0973 number to (562) 881-2570. You verified that Michael Amir Williams, that was his telephone number in 2009, correct?
A Yes, ma’am.
1:08 pm Murray calls his girlfriend Nicole Alvarez by whom he has a son and with whom he is living in Los Angeles. In her testimony she said he told her that he was on the way to the hospital in the ambulance with Mr. Jackson and that she should not be alarmed … “because he knew she would learn this through the news.” The paramedics who overheard the conversation recalled Murray saying: “It’s about Michael, and it doesn’t look good.”
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If you ask for my interpretation of the above I will say that ever since Conrad Murray received a long email from the insurers in London at about 6 o’clock in the morning he was was extremely busy with various business matters. In addition to the insurance his patient threatened to sue him and a doctor called him for a consultation about another of his patients.
Conrad Murray simply had no time for Michael Jackson.
Beginning with the 10:14 call he is on the phone practically non-stop talking, typing emails, sending voicemails.
First Dr. Prashad calls him at 10:22 to consult him about one of his patients.
Then his employee Ruggles talks to him about the insurance at 10:34 am. He asks her to draft a letter to Bob Taylor of the insurance company, then calls her back, receives the draft email, checks it up and sends it out to London at 11:17.
After settling that problem he attends to Robert Russell.
His assistant Ruggles has evidently told him about the imminent legal complaint from Robert Russell unless he answers his calls. So Murray first talks to his Las Vegas staff for 32 minutes to find out what he wants and what he can answer him in respect of his health condition. When that conversation is over at 11:49, he immediately starts dictating a voicemail to Russell. The voicemail is registered as going out at 11:49.
He simply cannot stop talking and at 11:51 he calls his girlfriend Sade Alding. And after 5-6 minutes after the conversation started he finally notices that his patient is not breathing.
By the condition of Michael’s body temperature and other signs he realizes that Michael has been dead for about an hour already. After the initial panic and some frantic movements like cutting the saline bag and putting the empty 100ml of propofol inside it to imitate the dripping he runs back and forth to the chef, calls Michael Amir Williams at 12:12 and does start the CPR.
Only he is being late in doing it by more than an hour.
In fact Michael could probably die earlier than that and Murray wouldn’t have noticed it either, but since he is still a doctor he managed to calculate the approximate time of his death by the condition of his skin, body temperature, etc.
This is why during his interview with Detectives Martinez and Scott on June 27 he blurts out the approximate real time of Michael’s death – either because he is afraid the police will be able to determine it by themselves (and he doesn’t want to be caught in his lie) or because in his panic he isn’t able to think of anything better.
In any case the description of his real actions on that day shows that the story he related to the detectives in his June 27 interview IS A COMPLETE LIE.
Among many other things the real timeline shows that Michael was most probably asleep while Murray was attending to his business.
The sadness that Michael Jackson’s life was in the hands of this man is indescribable.
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“doesn’t it look like the email from Murray to Bob Taylor was sent at 11:17:08? Of course typing would have started somewhat earlier.”
Susanne, thanks a lot for the correction. I mistook seconds for minutes, wrote 11:08 and frankly could not understand myself how Murray could be talking to his employee Ruggles at 11:07 (for a minute), typing the emal to Bob Taylor and sending it out at 11:08. And now things add up! That email was sent out 9 minutes after he finished talking to Ruggles. Most of this time he was probably typing it.
I hope to post some more on this issue later today, or early tomorrow. If you see any other inaccuracies please inform me. The post has been amended a hundred times by now.
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Helena, doesn’t it look like the email from Murray to Bob Taylor was sent at 11:17:08? Of course typing would have started somewhat earlier.
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Anyone know of a site other than TMZ or the CNN network family for the daily transcript? One with just pure transcript?
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Guys, I’ve added the testimonies of Sade Alding and other Murray’s numerous girlfriends to Day 6.
Now, after hearing Murray’s tape what caught my attention is the time when Conrad Murray called Alding. He called her at 11:51, asked a couple of questions, she started “telling him of her day” and only some 5-6 minutes into the call she realized that he was not listening.
Then she stayed on the phone for another 3-4 minutes listening to the noises (a cough and mumbling of voices), so it should have been about 12 o’clock that Murray realized that MJ was not breathing.
The story he told to the detectives on June 27, 2009 is totally different.
Over there all talk revolves around 11 o’clock which most probably shows the real time when Michael died. Murray for some reason thought so HIMSELF and that is why he voiced that version to the detectives.
It was only much later that he realized that numerous evidence like telephone calls would not corroborate his initial story.
But what is top important is that initially Murray thought of the time of MJ’s clinical death as 11 o’clock! Whatever reasons he had to think that way will need to be clarified yet, but if he says 11 o’clock, so 11 o’clock it was! He should know better!
And this means that by the time the paramedics arrived Michael had been dead for more than an hour.
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It was the court that had those portions redacted for the jury and I will bet my bottom dollar that is where Murray and his lawyers implicate Dr. Arnold Klein in it for giving Michael Demerol.
@lynette, to bad for them, that the toxi rep shows it clear that there was no demerol in MJ´s system nor that he was addicted to it or to any other stuff !!! I was in court on Oct 6th and wittnessed D. Anderson in the stand. Conrad Murray gets more and more captured in his lies, which will be discovered by the procecution piece by piece !
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Guys, I’ve started including into the post day 6 which was missing there and came upon another crucial testimony. It is Stacey Ruggls, Murray’s employee.
Let me explain why it is so important.
In his interview with the detectives Murray says that he “looks at the sun” on June 25 and checks up the time – it is 10.30am. Then he dilutes the propofol with lidocaine and about 10 minutes later starts administering it slowly. It takes him 3 to 5 minutes to make the injection. This brings us to 10.43-10.45.
He says that the effect of the injection was to last only for 15 minutes – which takes us to 11.00, after which he supposedly found that Michael was not breathing. So beginning with 11.00 o’clock “he was frantically working on his heart, ventilation, etc.
And now let us see what he was indeed doing in that crucial period of time.
At 10.34 his employee Stacey Ruggls called him and they talked for 8 and a half minutes. This takes us to 10.43.
At 11:07 (or when he was supposedly working on reviving Michael) Murray called Stacy Ruggls back and they talked for another minute.
And at 11:08 he typed a long email to Bob Taylor who is a broker of London insurers! And he doesn’t sound in the least agitated though he himself says that his patient has been dying for 8 minutes already!
Not it is clear more than ever that all his stories are just huge packs of lies!
And after that some people dare consider Murray not responsible?
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Just in case anyone is wondering an Iphone has a list of contacts in it that are your most frequent calls or friends. On mine I have 911 listed just like everyone should all I have to do is say into my phone 911 and it is done the call is on the way.How much easier can it get than that? Not much. I love that this was played on Friday and the jury has had the weekend plus extra time to let all of Murray’s lies just play over and over in their memories. This prosecutors timing for certain evidence to be introduced is amazing.
It was the court that had those portions redacted for the jury and I will bet my bottom dollar that is where Murray and his lawyers implicate Dr. Arnold Klein in it for giving Michael Demerol.
TMZ has been spreading this nonsense like peanut butter for the masses to consume for the last two years. It’s my guess the defense gave them a copy of it in it’s entirety before Murray was ever charged and now they could possibly be in trouble. I think knowing that the information that people have gotten for the past two years can be tied to this mans statement tells us everything we need to know about it. It is trash talk that is all it is. It is a man desperate to cover his butt so he makes up not just lies but ridiculous ones.
That statement and his actions have turned Murray into not a doctor that treats people, but more of a mad scientist experimenting on MJ.
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For those of you outside the US, today is Columbus Day, a US bank holiday. No trial on Oct 10th!
P.S. I didn’t know. Sort of a blessing as this gives me time to finish up the post and include there what is missing now.
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“the reasoning he gave for not calling 911 was because he would have to neglect Michael”
He wants us to believe that it takes less time to call William Amir, go all the way downstairs to the chef to ask for help and then go upstairs again than simply dialing 911.
And with two cell phones at his disposal he says some BS about the telephones not working.
Or him not knowing the zip code? It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive there so the hospital was probably in the next street.
All this is indescribable nonsense.
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“I wonder if it was tmz that magically blacked that out? Or,the police? “
Gigi, I was watching it and the judge explained to the jury that some parts were blacked out for reasons not concerning this trial.
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Guys, I’ve updated the post with my notes on Dan Andersen’s testimony and Detective Smith’s too. The very last entry in this post shows total incompatibility of Murray’s story and timeline with what he was really doing at that moment in that room.
He says he gave Michael propofol and was monitoring him closely. Before that he looked at his watch and therefore remembered the time clearly.
But the email he sent out at 11.08 that same morning shows that instead of monitoring Michael he was typing an email and was busy with the insurers.
Murray is a liar and possibly much worse than that.
P.S. Why isn’t the trial starting? Am I missing something?
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@Lynette
Exactly! When I got to the eradicated parts at the end I figured it was Chernoff’s behind talking to the detectives. I was like, ok what are you guys keeping out?
I don’t know if they had finished playing the whole tape in court on Friday. Do you think those eradicated parts will be played in court? I wonder if it was tmz that magically blacked that out? Or,the police? If it was Chernoff “suggesting” then that is pretty damming to the defense and the prosecution should be allowed to play that part in full. Its kinda suspicious to me that out of a 125 pages worth of lying, on the last 2 pages some convo is blacked out.
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@ gigi Yes it was Chernoff and Murray that encouraged the use of the term “milk” for propofol. Did we hear Michael continuously asking for “Milk” on the recording of him? No we did not. Hearing this is like hearing the Arvizo’s saying that MJ called wine “Jesus Juice”. Who believes that? And when you read the transcipt you can see where the redactions of elimiinated conversatons are between his attorney’s and the police. I bet you anything that is where THEY suggest that Michael was on Demerol if you read it to the end you can kind of tell.
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I am working at a children’s hospital myself in Germany and this is what I happened to find today during work about the Children’s Hospital in Pittsburgh:
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ellen-mcgirt/strike-indicator/and-little-child-shall-lead-them
It immediately reminded me of Michael’s last message. In Pittsburgh they seemed to have realized a little bit of Michael’s dreams for a Children’s Hospital. Kids even can see movies there. If you now take Michael’s fantasy and creativity – how even more childlike and healing would his hospital be for kids. This gives some impression.
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Please excuse my typos. No matter how many times I proofread I still mess up.
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I read the police transcript I can only comment on a few things, I will have to wait for Nikki, you as well Lynette and some other people with medical background to help me understand the medical things. What did jump out at me is how cold, nonchalant, little sarcastic, and definitely rehearsed this interview is. Murray is so butt backwards. First of all he thinks its “inhumane” for security guards to use the bathroom at the gas station, but what he did to Michael is not inhumane. Then, he says that he didn’t want to tell Amir to call 911, cause he would have to explain what happened. Plus the reasoning he gave for not calling 911 was because he would have to neglect Michael, but in some warped way it was ok & not “neglecting” to call Amir (security guard)
umm sure that makes sense, not! Then, he goes on this whole “heroic” story of what he did at the hospital, “calling the shots” so to speak. In his little narrative of what happened at the hospital he said Michael’s kids were “eating”. Sure Murray these 3 kid’s dad was just rushed to the hospital all 3 are hysterical cause the don’t know what has happened to there dad, but they managed to take a break to eat. I found it really creepy how he says he “cares for Michael’s kids like his own” he doesn’t even take care of his own kids. Why is he always refer to Paris “she’s like my daughter”. And how is this nut gonna “console Mrs Jackson and the family, when its butt high-tailed it out of the hospital. Disappearing for 2 days so he can lawyer up and write his novel. smh Not buying it at all. Oh and don’t get me started on Chernoff chiming in all the time, I pray he gets lock jaw. Chernoff’s shady tail was practically directing the police interview. Chernoff also had the nerve to ask the detectives that the interview not be made public to the media, he wanted to keep it on the down-low. smh He was sitting there guiding Murray to use certain words over and over again. Murray just because you use the words “I was cautious”, “I was careful”, telling ER staff “don’t give up easily” (all the while purposely withholding vital information), & blah blah don’t mean squat; when your actions don’t match your words, which makes your words meaningless!
Murray also made sure to drop the names of Cherliyn Lee and Dr. Adams so he could go into a huge lie of an allegory on them. Oh man that part were Murray is claiming that the reason Michael called Lee “unprofessional, was upset and got rid of her” was because “she had to take her son to urgent care & she didn’t keep the appointment with him” Seriously come the freaking on now. There is no way in the world that Michael would have ever been upset over a parent caring for their child. I guess Murray completely forgot all about that disrespectful recording he made of Michael talking about caring for sick children and wanting to build a hospital. In a nutshell Murray is a pathological liar, who loves to stroke his own ego, and “sugar coat” everything he does, while putting the finger at everyone else, but himself and throw Michael under the bus. Murray has been lying, cheating, procreating, stealing throughout his life. Guess he wasn’t satisfied until he added killing to the list.
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This is just a brief comment on Conrad Murray’s statement to the police on June 27th,2009. Like I said before he went into that interview with one intention and that was to make anyone other than himself look guilty of everything from adminstering propofol to not letting people pee in the house and making them go to the gas station on the corner that is non existent.Yes I did a Mapquest search and there is no gas station on the corner,so how far did those poor security guards have to go to go to the bathroom?When I was tweeting with Gatorgirl I had to ask if the Neverland Five wrote his story for him that is how crazy this story got. And then to add that bit about him thinking that was inhumane and how he talked MJ into letting them pee in the house? What a hero to the common man he is.
From the very beginning when I heard him hesitate over his own middle name I knew this was going to be something unbelievable. I can’t wait to finish my longer comment to his statement and include the facts from the interview with Jane Velez Mitchel of Dr. David Adam’s attorney.He promises to sue him for the lies that he told along with new information that in their investigation they found more Dr’s that Murray approached to “help” him administer propofol to MJ as far back a 2007.
Oh and if you want to “wean” someone off a drug the key to being sucessful is to stop ordering more and more of it like 4.9 gallons of it. Good grief that is enough to anesthetize 100 people for major abdominal surgery.
Did anyone else notice that Chernoff looked a little red in the face when this thing was played. He should be embarrassed to listen to this. Hell who am I kidding he should be embarrassed to defend Murray after listening to this.
Right now after listening to this my money is on Murray skipping on his bail and flying to a country without extradiction.
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Leaving examples of articles from the legal medical community blog received today:
Toxicology In The Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial
“Witness testimony concerning the autopsy and toxicology results has begun in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray for voluntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. This is likely the make or break area of testimony for the defense, who has claimed that Jackson caused his own death by self administering both oral lorazepam and oral and/or IV propofol. It is highly technical testimony, with large amounts of medical and scientific jargon and principles which cannot help but confuse the jury at times.
Law Med will go through the evidence and testimony in order to simplify and clarify what is becoming. in our view, intentionally muddled by the defense. We don’t blame them, since it may be their only hope of getting Murray off. The facts are certainly of little use towards that end.”
http://lawmedconsultant.com/2575/toxicology-in-the-michael-jackson-manslaughter-trial
(Wish I had received this sooner) (Author is shaky on Property laws.. See photo)
Jackson Received More Propofol Than Anyone In Medical History
“Law Med was a little bored, and a little curious after hearing the prosecution in the criminal trial of Michael Jackson’s physician, Conrad Murray, tell the jury in opening statements that Murray was ordering GIGANTIC monthly supplies of propofol and other medications which he used to ‘sedate’ his patient on a nightly basis.
Doing some rough calculations in my head it began to dawn on me that Jackson, if the prosecutions assertions are true, was receiving a higher dose of propofol, and for a longer time, than any patient in medical history.”
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@ appleh & Dialdancer
I will soon transcribe and rebut Allred’s radio interview, and her 2006 book “Fight Back and Win” as well. Just wait until you read what she wrote about the 2005 trial! You’ll literally laugh out loud!
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Even Allred reared her very ugly head as soon as it looked like there was a softening and some understanding of Michael. In an article where the author was too ashamed to post their name she said. “Public Should Remember Molestation Allegations Against Michael Jackson” it doesn’t take any imagination to understand what she is saying and wants. Why isn’t either picketing Polanski’s movies? What incredibly ugly people, possessing ugly souls, I doubt there is enough theory to help them.
@ dialdancer, recently Polanski was getting a price for his work in switzerland, which he allready should have two years ago, but due to his housearrest could not accept it. I wrote a comment to a newspaper about his rape of a 13 year old girl. What do you think, was this comment published or not ? Of course it was not !!! I really don´t understand the difference, why this double standard ? Why is anyone protecting Polanski and supporting him and belittle his crime ???? Why ????
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here is diane, gavin and star at ron zonen wedding, I bet she mentioned MJ in her speech:
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/gavin-star-arvizo-attends-wedding-between-ron-zonen-louise-palanker-barf-336806/
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Reference Dimond, she seems to be out in the cold left to hurtling her brand of venom from the Daily Beast. I hope she is so ignore until even the Beast drops her. As for her sources, who.. Stacy Brown her sometimes buddy of convenience does not count as anything. She needs… needs….. needs the attention. No attention, no ratings, no ratings bye bye Diane.
Even Allred reared her very ugly head as soon as it looked like there was a softening and some understanding of Michael. In an article where the author was too ashamed to post their name she said. “Public Should Remember Molestation Allegations Against Michael Jackson” it doesn’t take any imagination to understand what she is saying and wants. Why isn’t either picketing Polanski’s movies? What incredibly ugly people, possessing ugly souls, I doubt there is enough theory to help them.
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Day 9 of the trial: October 7, 2011:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
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I’m sorry I don’t have time to write more now. I have to work but let me say that after reading and hearing the transcript of CM’s statement it is clear that he went into that statement to slander whoever he had to and downplayed the role of propofol in MJ’s death. I will writer a longer comment when I get homw from work later tonight,
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We have also the interview on Scribd
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The statements of Dr. Adams’ lawyer are also very interesting, showing more lies of Murray. He said Michael was totally under Murray’s control, and Murray didn’t want someone else around Michael. It’s going to be interesting when Adams will be suing Murray.
And consider what Frank Dileo said in his call to Murray: that he should make a blood test “to see what he’s doing”, as if Michael had done something that Murray didn’t know of. We know from the toxicology report that Michael didn’t do anything by himself, so Dileo also seemed to have trusted Murray more than Michael. What a big error! They better should have checked the doc.
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No need to transcribe! Here is the transcript of the full interview: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1007_conrad_murray_transcript.pdf
Suzy, thank you! David, and a big thanks to you for your readiness to help! It is big comfort to know that I can always rely on you.
There is so much to do for me over the weekend. I hope to finish up this post by Monday.
Guys, after analyzing all those vials and their contents it seems that the picture is becoming clearer. A short preview:
One of the pieces of crucial evidence was a diagram shown while toxicologist Dan Anderson was testifying, but during the whole of that episode the signal was very poor and due to its poor quality it wasn’t even included in the videos made by JustMeSTKK’s channel all of us are using. If someone talks to the author of it please ask him/her to include it even the way it is.
Initially the news that the saline bag on the IV stand was clean and didn’t contain propofol looked like being in the defense’s favor but the more I think of it the more it looks like it is not.
It shows that part of the tubing system of the IV stand – from the saline bag with a propofol vial inside it to a stop somewhere in the middle of the tubing – was cut off and all propofol went via a shorter side route – from a syringe direct into MJ’s body.
It means that at least 180 ml (the accumulative quantity of those vials) were pushed by a syringe. The syringe was near by on the stand and only a needle was missing to it. The empty 100ml vial somehow went into the bag on the top of the IV stand and this essentially means that someone pushed the propofol from it via a syringe and then stood up and put it into the bag through a slit on it (Michael is ruled out for obvious reasons).
The only empty vial lying beside the bed was a 20ml propofol vial. This was accessible to Michael but in order to extract propofol from it one needs a needle as the cap was still on. And the needle is missing. What Fleak thought to be a needle on the floor turned out to be a catheter. The needle disappeared – probably into Conrad Murray’s pocket.
So what the whole thing amounts to is that someone pushed all that propofol via a syringe, then took the needle away and put the only big bottle of propofol on the top of the IV stand to produce the impression of it being administered via dripping. They even placed it there upside down for better effect and just didn’t have time enough to attach an IV tubing to it to imitate the dripping.
The main problem is that the vial could not go into the bag on its own. Someone put it there on purpose – to produce the impression they wanted to produce.
Draw your own conclusions from the above.
I think that Murray is a big liar and maybe much more than that. His demeanor during the trial and the quiet way he related his story to the detectives shows that he is rather emotionless and is capable of the worst. He may tell us whatever he likes but the facts are testifying against him.
I would be only happy if someone refuted my understanding of this situation. Please do.
P.S. I’ve added to the post some pictures and more visual evidence to clarify my point.
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@ Suzy
Thank you! I’m glad I don’t have to sit and write all that stuff down! It gets tiring, you know! 🙂
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Lawyer for Dr Adams on JVM after today’s session regarding the audio police interview
http://www.mjeol.com/acc/IssuesLiboAgwara10072011.wmv
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No need to transcribe! Here is the transcript of the full interview:
Click to access 1007_conrad_murray_transcript.pdf
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Helena, I’ll transcribe it for you! Where can I find it? Is it on Youtube?
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@ BJ
Unfortunately most of the books out there about Michael are unfortunately negative and/or have a certain agenda to portray him in a certain way. So it’s not hard for kids to find such a book and bring it to the classroom. Unfortunately kids don’t understand yet that just because it’s in print it doesn’t mean it’s true. As sad as it is if you go to a bookstore what kind of books you will find about MJ? Taraborelli, Halperin, Dimond, Bob Jones. Taraborelli and Halperin are marketed as “MJ biographers”, when in fact they are just tabloid journalists who had no personal contact with MJ (OK, Taraborelli had some when they were 16 or something).
That’s why we need to support good books, such as Joe Vogel’s which will be published in November. I will also support Frank Cascio’s if it’s good. At least he knew Michael and they were friends, so he knows who he’s writing about. We need to show publishers that good books on MJ sell as well – or that they sell better than negative ones! We need to help such books to be published so that people won’t only find trash on MJ in the bookstores.
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I know this is not related to the trial but, I found it very sad when my little brother who is in the 3rd grade and also a big Michael Jackson fan came home and told me the kids in his class were calling MJ “Gay” and a “Girl” after a classmate brought a book about MJ to class.Who is teaching these kids this kind of crap?Young children should be able to be fans of Michael without hearing all of that BS.This has me concerned for MJ’s future legacy because these children are the future!
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Day 9 is not yet uploaded at the time I had to retire. I will try again tomorrow.
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Or the love letters to Gavin….
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“Diane says she’s working on “more MJ sources”
She should be careful about your sources or she’ll might regret it. Remember VG.
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I have a very big request to all those who have listened to the tape of Murray talking. Could anyone transcribe it, please? And send it here for all of us to see?
I missed almost all of it and am afraid that other foreigners did too. Can anyone help us, please?
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Diane says she’s working on “more MJ sources”
Could she do an interview with Gavin?
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I apologize for being off-topic, but this is interesting: Louise Palanker und Ron Zonen apparently married last weekend, and Star and Gavin Arvizo were invited. Check Palanker’s Facebook site, there are photos.
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Guys, the prosecution is doing a marvelous job!
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Just found another site with a lot of documents:
http://dearconradmurray.com/documents/the-coroners-report-continued/
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Don’t know if this has been posted here. It’s a blog by Gatorgirl about “Conrad Murray’s Medical Records for Michael Jackson”. It’s here
http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/10/conrad-murrays-medical-records-for.html
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Here is part of the addition I’ve made to the post ( I hope to fully update it and sum up the information by beginning of next week). The post has pictures which will hopefully help to make things clearer.
In my opinion the presence of empty lidocaine vials is extremely important because it indirectly shows how much propofol was administered to Michael.
The empty lidocaine vials were found in the bags used by Murray for storing away some medication. Alvarez remembers that before calling 911 Murray dropped vials into the bag Alvarez was holding. Paramedic Sennoff also saw Murray collecting things from the floor when he returned into the room to pick up his equipment.
Ms. Fleak found the bags in the closet and made their inventory. The following things attract the attention:
1) the blood pressure kit was in a small bag, put into in a cardboard box, put into in a bigger bag. All of this shows that it wasn’t close at Murray’s hand and he wasn’t using it for monitoring Michael’s blood pressure, otherwise it would have been opened or at least less packed
2) the black bag contained 3 lidocaine 10ml vials, two of which were empty and one was half-full . Exhibit 132.
Considering the fact that lidocaine is mixed with propofol for easing its burning sensation and it is done in the proportion of 1:10, those two and half empty bottles of lidocaine can give us the idea how much propofolwas given to Michael.
If the cumulative quantity of lidocaine used from those three vials was 25ml, this alone brings us to the estimated quantity of 250ml of propofol,and not 20ml claimed by Murray
3) the blue bag contained lots of things including the pulse oxymeter (which Murray put on Michael’s finger), a 10ml Lorazepam bottle, 2 vials of midazolam, some debris like an empty cap for a needle or empty packaging for an IV set.etc. But what ismost important is that it contained a huge number of vials, part of which were empty. These included:
– an empty 20ml Propofol vial. Exhibit 136. This points to another portion of 20 ml of propofol being administered to Michael that night.
– 2 pcs of 100ml propofol vials (full). Exhibit 142 (these were found in the so-called ‘baby essentials’ bag inside the blue bag).
– 4 pcs of 20ml propofol vials were full and 3 pcs of were partially consumed (1st 20% full, 2nd half full, 3d 15-20% full) which if added up make up 40ml of propofol used. Exhibit 143.
So the total figure of propofol used is now getting to 80ml.
– 3 vials of lidocaine (which goes together with propofol). Two vials were partially used. Exhibit 144
It seems that the volume of each vial is the same 10ml, so if two of them were at least half consumed, this can give us a minimum of 10ml of lidocaine – which with the help of 1:10 ratio brings us another estimated 100 ml of propofol used.
– 3 midazolam vials (2 intact, one open). Exhibit 145
– 4 vials of flumazenil (three unopened, one uncapped) – exhibit 146. Flumazenil is used to reverse the effect of Lorazepam
– 2 vials of lorazepam (one unopened, one half-full) – exhibit 147
– 1 vial of a mixture of caffeine 100 ml, ephedrine 25 ml and aspirin 80 ml – exhibit 148
– and one of the major findings in the bag was a saline bag with a cut in it and a 100 ml empty propofol vial inside it.
Ms. Fleak confirmed that she saw it inside the saline bag, and took one from the other to check what it was.
Later in her testimony she will admit that she didn’t make a photo of them when the vial was inside the bag. She first took the vial out, registered it and then placed it on top of the saline bag to take a picture. Her records though say that the vial was inside the bag.
The absence of the initial photo was naturally discussed by Chernoff as he wanted to show that Ms. Fleak had made mistakes in her investigation, but whatever they say here, it does not change the essential thing – the fact that the 100ml vial of propofol was empty.
If we bring all five open 20 ml vials of propofol together – 1) one empty found on the floor 2) another empty found in the bag 3) one 20% full, 4) another one half-full and 5) the last one 15-20% full – this should take us to at least 80ml of propofol directly administered to Michael that night. And if we add to it the empty 100 ml bottle, the end result will be at least 180 ml which is a decided difference from what Murray is telling us.
However if we try and approach it from another end, that of lidocaine which goes together with propofol at the ratio of 1:10, the overall quantity of propofol used will become much bigger.
Calculations over Exhibit 132 take us to 250ml of propofol and Exhibit 144 will add to it at least 100ml more thus bringing the overall estimated quantity of used propofol to around 350ml.
P.S. I apologize for constantly changing that part of the post – calculating those ml is such a complicated business that I keep correcting it again and again.
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By lying,hiding,interfering with evidence and keeping his “practice” on Michael secret ,he has made sure this will be a mammoth trial.
Murray agreed to treat Michael for something he was not trained in,and if that was not enough practiced in a grossly negligent manner.
It is not uncommon for a private practitioner to ask for consultation with a specialist, a University professor,researcher or someone on that level.They do charge, but nothing like murray.Naturally he could not do this as everything was to be kept so secret,even his girlfriend who received the propofol from a Las Vegas pharmacy didn´t know a thing.
I believe,as Dialdancer,if I recall the post, said, that Michael had been dead earlier than thought and Murray did some staging and hiding before he called for help.
The autopsy gave propofol concentration in 555ml in bladder as 0.15 micrograms.The stored bottle had a much lower concentration,ie less than 0.10 micrograms.A pathologist and pharmacologist may be able to interpret this. concentration
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@MagUK,
Yes. This is a problem. Even after Anderson’s testimony there has no discernible shift in the false ‘addict’ meme. Reports have focused on what was found rather than what was not.
It may be that it is only in the long term that a more balanced reappraisal of this incredibly destructive falsehood will emerge.
@Suzanne
Thanks for sharing that tox report. Helpful to have everything in one place.
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I have been watching as much as possible on live TV. Yes it’s painful, but the evidence given by the Toxologist yesterday ( a superb witness) has blown the theory that Michael was a drug addict right out of the water. Not only that .. Michael did genuinely care about the world’s children !!!. OMG what are the tabloids going to do now ..( please forgive the sarcasm)
However having watched complete evidence reduced to a summary (sound bite) the following morning(s) it has to be said in some cases it has given a false idea of what took place. In general though there seems to be a better resepect for Michael from The TV journalists reporting from outside the Court.
May justice prevail.
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Guys, I am quite happy to be responsible for uploading these clips daily throughout trial, just letting you know so we don’t duplicate work.
Day 8 of Trial: October 6, 2011:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5/ Last:
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Helena
All the drugs and equipment parts were in packaging before it got to MJ’s house. Theres no need to get it out until you use it. IMO.
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Here is the toxicology report of Dan Anderson, in case you don’t have it:
Click to access toxicologyreport.pdf
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aphrodite jones has just emailed me and she still cannot get UK publishers
to publish conspiracy.
Any suggestions how we can help to sort this out?
here is the book online:
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books-jetzi-03/con/con0a.html
http://www.publisherlookup.org.uk/index.php
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Michael believed that children change the world. Michael got the talent from God. He had a mission – Heal the world.
Children are the key.
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“Murray had gloves thats why there ain’t fingerprints everywhere”.
Chris, yes, but I was wondering why he was wearing gloves even when bringing propofol and other vials from his apartment to MJ’s home, putting them in the closet or wherever. It looks like he didn’t want his name to be associated with any of those things and thought of it in advance too.
But the most important thing is that Michael Jackson’s fingerprints were not found there. He didn’t touch them on that night or at any other point in time.
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I have to say though I’m not crazy about Jane Velez-Mitchell I give her credit for talking about Michael’s attitude toward children in that state. She referenced that it was the fans opinion. Which is fine but I’m glad that that she elaborated about Michael’s thoughts about children and wanting to help them were so pure in this recording. She always struck me as someone who’s was on the fence about Michael’s innocence. I’m sure we won’t here too much more of that though, someone higher up may choose to censor her if it doesn’t fit their agenda. We’ll see how this trial plays out, right now I think the prosecution has very a strong case despite the defense and they’re best effort which appears to me as grasping at straws. I think only time will tell what effect this will have on Michael’s lasting legacy.
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““Di Dimond tweeted that mj helping/wanting to help children was just for PR.”
Well let me start by saying I don’t know where DD is, but I continue to collect the occasional clip from most of the major networks and I have not seen her on any of late, to engage her is to give her attention which she did not then and certainly do not now deserve. I can think of no getting punishment for her then to be kept off TV and ignored when she is not there.
You may want to save this, just in case:
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I just found an excellent post by MJJJustice Project, entitiled “Diane Dimond’s Media Coverage and Motivations During the Dr. Murray Trial”. Check it out and pass it around. (Forgive me if it’s already been mentioned here.)
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Murray had gloves thats why there ain’t fingerprints everywhere.
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“What really sealed the deal for me about them continuing to push the meme was when the family begged them to stop saying the recording was proof that Michael was a drug addict.”
@R.J., this tape proves absolutely nothing!
If some of those journalists take a sleeping pill at night and a ‘well-wisher’ sneaks into his or her home and talks to them while they fall asleep their tape can also be presented to the world the next morning accompanied by a statement that the person recorded is a drug addict.
It is as easy as that.
I am not only tired of the media – I am totally disgusted by them. Lost my last shreds of respect for the profession. It really amazes me that anyone would be listening to these puppets.
I even feel sorry for them. Obligatory lying must be such a burden. And they are trying so hard that it is simply pathetic.
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I’ve unfortunately seen the media try so hard to toss the “Michael was a drug addict” meme. Quite frankly I’m getting tired of it. I already know the reasons behind Michael taking the drugs in the first place: HE WAS IN PHYSICAL PAIN!!! That doesn’t make him a drug addict as the family has said time and time again. The sad part about it is the media keeps on looking for excuses to push the meme even further (i.e his confession in 1993, his song, Morphine, which was an anti-drug song, and the recording played during the trial)
What really sealed the deal for me about them continuing to push the meme was when the family begged them to stop saying the recording was proof that Michael was a drug addict.
Their response: “Oh the family is in denial.” “Once an addict; always an addict.”
These are the main reasons why I prefer to follow the trial by means of this blog; so that my mind won’t be filled with the media’s lies about Michael.
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I Just watched kelvin mackenzies Comments He Mentions Jordie Chandler And Mummbles About a “a Big Payout” And says He Doesent feel sorry for MJ because he lived an extravagant life kelvin is a smug asshole who cant understand other people where they come from. It was evident that this man has no soul when he said those kids should have never been born! who in the world is he do choose why or when babies are born.
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I personally find it a little disturbing that no finger prints were found on many of the vials collected on the scene. If I understood it right one finger print of Conrad Murray was found on the 100mg bottle of propofol, while a big list of other vials and bottles didn’t have anyone’s fingerprints – Murray’s, Michael Jackson’s or those of several other people tested.
It is somewhat unnatural.
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this morning ITV1 6th Oct 2011 see beginning for kelvin mackenzie comments:
http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=279021
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It seems that Chernoff will still show what he is capable of. Now he is trying to discredit the investigator (sorry didn’t get her name) and Alberto Alvarez’s testimony who said he saw a propofol bottle inside the saline bag.
Chernoff made a point that the bag looks clean inside – and it does – so I hope the prosecution had it tested for the presence of propofol inside it before presenting is as evidence.
The defense must have intentionally delayed the trial so that all major witnesses forgot what they saw two years ago in order to try and discredit their testimonies using slight variations in what they say now and then.
It is totally impossible to remember two years later where exactly some gloves were lying – especially if you see the scenes of crime and photograph them every day. Things get mixed up with time and it is only the records made years ago that you can really rely on.
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When I first saw the tape of Michael on the bed talking into his cell
phone it made me outraged. Now that the specialists have managed to get the words and shown them in print the effect is another one.Still I wonder why Murray had the nerve to tape the situation.
Here I have not seen any shows of Michael, neither postive nor negative.
It saddens me to hear that various TV hosts are still trying to sully
Michaels name.
Thank you all for posting on the trial.I have been very sick of late and
hardly able to sit and read through comments, even less to come up with relavant remarks.I hope to be in shape next week.
One personal observation though,when you do not feel your best everything feels difficult.How hard must it have been for Michael with his insomnia.And having the Riot- acts when he should have needed emphaty and comfort. Even his “personal doctor” had been rude and condescending to him.
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BTW I wanna ask you know when latoya made those claims about joseph her father didnt she later say she said them because of her husband at the time? can someone clarify here?
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Hi. Just quickly wanted to say that re the meds found at the house, I believe there is a mixup. Hydrocodone (analgesic) was not found. It was hydroquinone (common topical treatment for vitilligo). It’s a big difference. This was posted here as reference from another site (sorry can’t remember who)…and the list is so helpful. Thank you for posting it. Just wanted to clarify…please correct me if I am wrong.
Let’s try to keep our heads up today and imagine Michael’s sweet laughter.
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am still confused with jermain seriously but we shouldnt belive it cause of stacy brown on the other hand we can hear jermain saying stuff about michael in word 2 the badd like saying u changed your shade WTF i am confused with all the family like rebbie why would you associate with a man who belives your brother was a p and promotes garbage about him. i just dont get it!!!
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If more upload for this date I will edit this comment and add them so we keep it all together. There are many days of trial left and we need to keep it in sequence. Previous days can be found at that user’s channel. Again, many thanks to them for their hard work.
Day 7 of trial. October 5, 2011:
Part 1:
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Part 3:
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Part 6:/Last
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“It reminds me very much of the the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46, when he talks about coming back and gather the nations before him so separate people from one another, and where he says in verse 45: “I tell you the truth: Whathever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.”
Susanne, yes. And this seems to be the last wake up call.
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“Di Dimond tweeted that mj helping/wanting to help children was just for PR.”
When people are falling asleep but are still able to talk, they are talking from a deeply subconscious level over which they have no control.
In a state like this people usually give away their worst secrets. Michael’s worst secret was that he hurt for the world, felt the children’s pain and wanted to give them a future by building the biggest children’s hospital where joy would become part of their treatment. He wanted to give away everything he would receive from those strenuous concerts to others.
HE GAVE ALL OF HIMSELF TO OTHERS. That was his biggest secret.
P.S. I’ve updated the post a bit and added to it the text of Michael’s message. Please spread it.
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LOL, look at that liar Dimond!
@caramelicedtea Di Dimond tweeted that mj helping/wanting to help children was just for PR. after this audio, u still think that @DiDimond?
8 hours ago
@ DiDimond Diane Dimond
@loveluella @caramelicedtea I never tweeted that.
6 hours ago via web
@DiDimond @loveluella @caramelicedtea She have tweeted and said that!!! Diane you are not truthful..
4 hours ago
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Here is what she tweeted in Aug/Sept:
mashoo02 Markus
@wingheart Michael took care and helped many sick children almost like a modern Jesus. Was he sent from god to do that? What do you think?
27 Aug
@DiDimond
Diane Dimond
@mashoo02 @wingheart I think much of it was P.R., sad to say.
7 Sep via web
(And BTW, as I see this guy called Markus was communicating with Karen Faye, not Dimond. So why does Dimond jump in and feels the need to comment and put down MJ’s humanitarian efforts as “PR”?)
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@Suzy: You are absolutely right. But that’s what I heard. This is the condition of our world! It’s frightening.
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Yes, Helena, you are right. Your sentence: “If the Heavens have their revenge on these people they will be the only ones to blame for it” reminds me very much of the the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46, when he talks about coming back and gather the nations before him so separate people from one another, and where he says in verse 45: “I tell you the truth: Whathever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.”
Thanks for reminding me. They not only didn’t listen to him, they even stopped Michael from doing his work.
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@ Susane
What is a “a sort of unhealthy obsession with helping children”? Did we become so cynical that helping others is now considered an “unhealthy obsession”? I guess in contrast with this “unhealthy obsession” the normal things for the people who say it, are selfishness, greed, disregard for others etc. etc.
As always, Michael is holding up a mirror for all of us to see ourselves in it. If helping others is an “unhealthy obsession” now, what does that tell about our world and the people who say it?
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This Morning played the recording of MJ that Conrad Murray taped. Kelvin Mackenzie, regular guest, yet again had nothing good to say about Michael. He brought up Jordan Chandler aswell. I cannot post footage yet because it is not on ITV’s iplayer.
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/thehub/
email: thismorning@itv.com
Phillip Schofield tried to stop Kelvin but the guy does what he wants anyway.
head of ITV: adam.crozier@itv.com
We need to get Aphrodite Jones, Geraldine Hughes (Tom Mesereau) on the programme and show the rebuttal footage in the UK.
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/thehub/
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“Most people don’t see the message in Michael’s words as we do.”
Susanne, so much the worse for them. If the Heavens have their revenge on these people they will be the only ones to blame for it.
Michael’s words are a message to us from the behind the curtain and the way it was retrieved is a complete miracle. It is the voice from high above us and it is these people’s choice not to listen to it.
I repeat, IT IS THEIR CHOICE NOT TO LISTEN TO IT.
If they allow themselves to sleep even at a moment like this there is indeed no hope for them (and for us), just as Michael said.
Michael wasn’t speaking of his children only. He was speaking of MILLIONS of children and of the world in general. And he was expressing what many of us feel – we are doomed if we do not reconsider our values and go on living guided by lies and not the truth.
As Michael was falling asleep his message to us came in fragments only but even this way it is absolutely shattering:
MJ: Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave the show, when people leave the show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world”. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. The – in those hospital, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
CM: I know you would.
MJ: Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with – we’ll talk about it. United States, Europe, Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave – a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me – please take me with you.
CM: Mmnh-mmnh.
MJ: I want to do that for them.
CM: Mmnh-Mmnh.
MJ: I’m gonna do that for them. They will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal the World, We are the World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
(13 seconds: silence)
CM: You okay?
(8 seconds: silence)
MJ: I am asleep.
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“I am here this time to bear witness to just how false the Media is; to compare how they report on Michael vs. other stories and know there really is an agenda. It is one thing to believe and another to know.”
Dial, yes, now we know for sure that they are lying deliberately and are doing it altogether. THERE IS AN AGENDA. You may call it whatever word you like but the fact that they are extremely biased, are distorting information in an outrageous way or hiding it from the public is too obvious for anyone to overlook it now.
I can’t believe that they are showing their intentions so openly.
Due to Steve Jobs’s death they have a pretext for “forgetting” about the tape, but even here there is an absolutely smashing link between these two pieces of news – they are talking about iphone as Steve Jobs’s invention and it was exactly an iphone which allowed to extract priceless information about the recording and emails with the insurers and AEG people on the day of Michael’s death. This was done a month after the events and it was due to iphone functioning as a small computer that they managed to do it. This is a perfect way of showing what iphone is like, but they are failing to speak about it though it is the most logical thing to do under the circumstances!
People should wake up and open their eyes to the stark truth about the media outrageous lies and twisted reporting of everything concerning Michael Jackson.
And what is absolutely amazing is that they are lying about him in total unison with each other – as if following someone’s instructions.
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I am sorry to tell that I don’t see a lot of positive consequences from the trial so far. Perhaps all of the evidence will help Murray convict, but what does it to Michael’s reputation?
What I can see so far as a general public reaction to the tape and to the medication found in Michael’s house is that
a) Michael had a psychological problem because he had a sort of unhealthy obsession with helping children, and
b) it is confirmed now that he was a drug addict and he created this situation himself.
Most people don’t see the message in Michael’s words as we do. And most people don’t look at the details as we do. The media wants to make everything sensational as always, doesn’t tell the important details, and most people don’t watch the trial themselves as we do, especially here in Europe. I am frustrated, because it will be more difficult now to convince the public that Michael wasn’t the way he is portrayed. It will be a lot of hard work for Michael’s advocates to explain in detail what the evidence really shows. Again it is up to us.
Thanks, Dialdancer, for providing this list of drugs with the explanations. This is of help to explain what the evidence really shows. After the trial I think it will be necessary to analyze carefully what the media made with the facts from the trial.
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@ Helena,
“They are afraid that some will crack under the truth and their whole wall of resistance may collapse. They are checking on each of their units not to allow any drop-outs.”
The Media did have a temporary “drop-out” JVM, but I am sure she will be back on script by tomorrow. When she spoke of how Michael “just” truly loved children it must have sent shock waves. I wanted to collect the reaction from several networks on Jane’s comment or their own having heard the entire tape today. ABC, CBS, MSNBC and all other HLN programs did the “it sounded bizarre” business, most did not even play the entire tape they stopped at where Michael said he wanted his audience to come away thinking he was the greatest entertainer in the world or are reporting he was speaking of only his children.
I was not around during the reporting of the trial, but I am here this time to bear witness to just how false the Media is; to compare how they report on Michael vs. other stories and know there really is an agenda. It is one thing to believe and another to know.
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Now that a few hours have passed since hearing that tape some things have become even clearer.
Michael spoke about what was most important to him and those things were –
PAIN HE FELT FOR THE WORLD
CHILDREN AND THEIR FUTURE
GOD
Only true believers in God will speak of their Father during their final moments in life.
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It is being bandied about that maybe Michael was frightened about his health, scared he’d lose everything to include his children and was so depressed he decided to save his children and what was left of his fortune by taking his own life. BULL. There are two reasons I will never buy this story. (1) Michael would not have killed himself in such a manner leaving another to take the blame. Having stood before a jury which was virtually going to decide whether he lived or died and I believe the intent was for him to die after a period of humiliation at the hands of Dimond and other bottom feeding Media he would not do that to another. (2) If knowing what was awaiting him if found guilty in 05 and he did not take his life then why now and lastly Michael believed in God. Those who do are taught suicide is the one sin God will not forgive.
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And remember they way they trumpeted over that tape when they first heard part of it? Now that they have it in full it is such an incredible contrast!
I can watch only CNN and they are talking about everything else but the tape. This “world’s news leader” doesn’t seem to realize how clearly their scarce reporting of truly breaking news is giving away their bias. Utterly disgusting.
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So was Michael suppose to be taking Propofol every day? According to reports Murray ordered 250 vials of the anesthesia, if the normal dosage was 25ml that would only cover 100 days, the 50 concert tour counting from July 1st thru Feb 28 would be approx 243 days. If it required a higher dosage as being said was needed for someone who used so often their tolerance was greater then it would be less than 100 days. I believe each vial has 10ml in it.
(Was asked to post this by another Advocate)
Please RT this to all of your followers. This was posted on TMZ’s site in the comments.
“A pharmacy of drugs” such BS! This is how the media likes to spin everything. So this is what was found at the house:
Propofol
Lidocaine
Lorazepam
Diazepam
Temazepam
Trazodone
Flomax
Clonazepam
Tizanidine
Hydrocodone
Benoquin
Propofol and Lidocaine are used together. Lidocaine is not medication it is used in conjunction with Propofol because Propofol burns when it’s being injected. So right there you can cross Lidocaine off the list. They’re trying to make it sound like it was something separate when it wasn’t.
Then there’s Lorazepam. The Lorazepam was prescribed on April 28, 2009 and contained 30 pills. On June 25, 2009-two months later- there will still 9 pills remaining. So Michael took 21 pills of this in a two month time span.
Then there’s Diazepam. It was issued on June 20, 2009 (the same day Michael was told he was going to lose everything if he backed out of the concerts) One thing Diazepam treats is anxiety. What person wouldn’t have anxiety after being treated the way Michael was at the meeting. I think for someone to tell you they are going to take your children away would cause anyone to have anxiety. Anyway…there were 60 pills of Diazepam prescribed on June 20, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 57 remaining. That means he only took three within the span of 5-6 days.
Then there’s Temazepam. This was prescribed in December of 2008 and on June 25, 2009 there were still 3 pills left. This was something he had stopped taking a while ago and Temazepam did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there’s Trazodone. This was issued to him in April of 2009. It was a prescription for 60 pills and on June 25 there were still 38 pills left. This was also something he stopped taking quite some time ago. Trazodone did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there’s Flomax. Flomax has nothing to do with any of this. I don’t even know why they mentioned it.
Then there’s Clonazepam. This was issued in April with 30 pills and on June 25 there were still 8 remaining. Once again, something he was no longer taking. This was not found in his toxicology report either.
Then there’s Tizanidine. A prescription for ten pills was issued on June 7, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 8 left. So in the span of more than two weeks, he took two of these pills. Tizanidine was also not found in the toxicology report.
Last but not least there’s Hydrocodone and Benoquin. I have no idea why these are even listed. They are not medication. They are creams and lotions that Michael used for his skin.
So, out of all of that BS what they found in Michael was: Propofol, Lorazepam, Diazepam, and Tizanidine. And guess who gave him ALL of that in the early morning of June 25, 2009…Dr. Murray.
If you were to go inside a random person’s house and look at the medication they have, I guarantee you that you would find close to the same amount of prescriptions as Michael had. It’s clear to see he was not taking this day in and day out. When people have medication that doesn’t work or that they don’t feel is right for them, they usually stop taking it. Which is EXACTLY what Michael did. My cabinet is full of old prescriptions.
This just makes me crazy! I don’t understand why the general public can’t see the TRUTH here and what the media is trying to do!
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/808jng
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“Shaking my head with all of this that i’m hearing and reading today. That tape made me really sad. Hearing MJ talk in that state and say the thing that he said, wow. Unbelievable.”
Ares, and it is also unbelievable that they are not giving that text in full! By that text alone the general public can actually measure how much truth the media is telling them.
10% of truth with the remaining 90% being lies would be an optimistic assessment.
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Here is an alleged interview that Stacy Brown did with MuzikFactoryTwo: http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/2011/07/confirmed-jermaine-jackson-did-write.html
I don’t know about the authenticity of that interview, or how on earth she was able to get him to agree to be interviewed, but I posted here anyway, and for the sake of cross-examination, we can assume it’s legit. Its funny how Brown is advertised as being an MJ “biographer”, when in fact he wrote a tell all hit piece on him! This negative media coverage from – you guessed it! – HLN is more than I can handle!
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@ Helena
“They are afraid that some will crack under the truth and their whole wall of resistance may collapse. They are checking on each of their units not to allow any drop-outs.”
Exactly! It seems like you have to be anti-MJ to be accepted in the circle of certain “journalists”. You are not allowed to form your own opinion, you have to go with the flow, stick to the agenda. Stacy Brown has the audacity to lecture JVM about the journalist’s profession when he wrote the books he wrote, knowingly with full of lies? What a nerve!
Sometimes I feel like in Orwell’s 1984.
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@ David
This is Stacy Brown’s Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/StacyBrownMedia
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Hey guys, here’s a link to a radio interview that Mesereau gave to Radar Online about the trial. The first 30 minutes are dedicated to taking callers and discussing the trial so far from a reporter’s perspective, and Mesereau calls in for the last 30 minutes. Tomorrow, Erin Jacobs from Justice4MJ will be the guest, and I’ll post it here as well!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radaronline/2011/10/05/radar-live-michael-jackson-death-trial-talkback-news
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@ Suzy
Do you have the link to his official twitter? I tried to google it, but couldn’t find it. I’d like to see what else he said.
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Shaking my head with all of this that i’m hearing and reading today. That tape made me really sad. Hearing MJ talk in that state and say the thing that he said, wow. Unbelievable. Then, i come here and read those Stacy Brown tweeter comments. Jesus, i’m so infuriated right now that i think i’m going to have a stroke. That stupid son of the b** really needs a good ass whooping. I have never seen a more wile person in my whole life. By the way someone should really inform Rebbie Jackson about her dear friend, Stacy Brown caractter. How can she be friend with that worm is beyond me. Does she even know what he is saying about her brother, does she even care? How can she not stop him? Damn all of them.
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..and this Don Berrigan character seems to have a stick up his ass.
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I have a MAJOR problem with Brian Oxman. Who’s side is he on. Why does he not offer his services to the defense. Why does he not take his instrument over to the defense.
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Helena,
You are right. After Stacey’s tweet, Valez-Mitchell went back to a default position and talked about Michael being ” incoherent.” She also did not challenge her guests Brian Oxman and Don Berrigan when they said Murray was “helping” Michael by giving him anesthetic.
Brown’s overt ‘stick-to -the-meme’ message was heard loud and clear by Mitchell.
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@Deborah Ffrench
I agree, we should all try to call in, we need to help Erin Jacobs. She and Mesereau should not fight the media alone. It is time to move beyond the fansites and into the mainstream.
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yep this also proves diane diamond theory of michael jus did charity work for good PR As she the bitch tweeted on her twitter a while back and this proves her theory is BS WOW READING WHAT MICHAEL SAID REALLY MOVED ME
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“After hearing the tape even Jane-Valez Mitchell said maybe MJ fans were right all along and this man could never hurt a child and he was never a p-le! Guess what? As a response Stacy Brown, that two-faced liar, tweeted her this: @issueswithjvm jvm always had greatest respect 4 U but today don’t think u did our profession a service. I’m surprised. Respectfully, Stacy”
Suzy, this is proof that they are watching each other. They are afraid that some will crack under the truth and their whole wall of resistance may collapse. They are checking on each of their units not to allow any drop-outs.
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After hearing the tape even Jane-Valez Mitchell said maybe MJ fans were right all along and this man could never hurt a child and he was never a p-le! Guess what? As a response Stacy Brown, that two-faced liar, tweeted her this:
StacyBrownMedia Stacy Brown
@issueswithjvm jvm always had greatest respect 4 U but today don’t think u did our profession a service. I’m surprised. Respectfully, Stacy
33 minutes ago
StacyBrownMedia Stacy Brown
Shame on anchors covering Conrad Murray trial. Black eye for our profession
1 hour ago
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“It just kills me that he had to die for ppl to realize it. It’s heartbreaking. He built his whole life and legacy around helping children and giving them love, bringing them joy… And that was taken from him and he was vilified because of it. It is only now that the world can hear what his true intentions have always been. I will never forget how loving he was to ALL children. My heart is so broken right now I can barely type”
“At least nobody will ever doubt MJ’s sincere love of children after hearing that tape, and they will know he never molested any child.”
All normal people are crying. I wonder if the media will notice it though. Up till now I don’t see any signs of it.
Still marching to hell.
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Azja Pryor on her FB:
“Azja Pryor OMG!!!!!! That recording is heartbreaking! The tears are endless right now!
Ana Piszczek @Azja: At least nobody will ever doubt MJ’s sincere love of children after hearing that tape, and they will know he never molested any child.
Azja Pryor Ana Piszczek I said the same thing. It just kills me that he had to die for ppl to realize it. It’s heartbreaking. He built his whole life and legacy around helping children and giving them love, bringing them joy… And that was taken from him and he was vilified because of it. It is only now that the world can hear what his true intentions have always been. I will never forget how loving he was to ALL children. My heart is so broken right now I can barely type”
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This was Michael Jackson’s dying message to the world.
The fact that the message was taken on May 10, 2009 when Conrad Murray was routinely giving him propofol or something else to sleep – and was recording him at that – does not change anything.
Michael was falling asleep and that is why his voice sounds like he is passing away from us.
At moments like that people are unable to lie. They tell the truth only and speak of things which are most essential to them.
In his dying hour Michael Jackson was speaking of the pain he was feeling for the world – for you, me, all of us – and our children who should be able to change it all.
He said, “I am gonna do that for them!”
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Thanks for the quick postings. I couldn’t listen to Michael and switched the sound off before they started the tape, it wouldn’t let me sleep this night. But I read his words, and they show his true soul again. I guess Murray didn’t even listen to his words, just murmuring: mmh, mmh.
I don’t find words about all these revelations.This guy with all his girlfriends just interested in money and fame. It’s very hurting.
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Deborah, you are right. We should start with Michael’s message first.
Even falling asleep and in a state of almost complete unconsciousness he was talking about the pain he was feeling for the world.
It is Michael’s dying message.
And facing death people tell only the truth.
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Today on Day 7 of the trial, October 5, 2011, a fuller playing of the recording of Michael by Conrad Murray on May 10, 2009 was heard. Here are the screenshots:
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Guys, I’ve made some screenshots of from Conrad Murray’s iphone screenshots (see the post). Please make your own if they show anything again.
Did not notice how terribly agitated the defense lawyers become when the computer expert said he manage to retrieve those screen shots?
Even the stone-faced Conrad Murray showed some signs of worry!
P.S. More screen shots will be posted soon. Please give me some time to sort them out.
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Friends, I apologize for providing links to HLN TV as a source for live streaming of the trial. Here is a better link provided in the MJTruthNow newsletter:
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777
The full letter is here:
The first week of Conrad Murray’s trial for the involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson has been a tough one for Michael’s family, friends and supporters. We are holding strong through the negative media onslaught.
The media, especially HLN, continue to treat Michael with disrespect. The photograph of Michael at the hospital shown in court the first day was paraded on The View, HLN, and on the cover of a British tabloid, “The Sun.” On HLN, the talking heads said with “authority” that Michael was a drug addict based on the recording that an irresponsible doctor made of his patient while under the influence of the doctor’s treatments. It has, indeed, been a difficult week.
In our last few newsletters, MJTruthNow asked you to refrain from viewing the trial coverage from HLN and TruTV. Many of you have been tuning in to alternative coverage of the trial. This will affect the ratings for tabloid media outlets such as HLN. Here are the live streaming trial links.
Live Stream Link 1:
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777
Live Stream Link 2:
http://www.ustream.tv/Conrad-Murray
In your e-mails to MJTruthNow, you have expressed your support for this initiative from all over the world. There are those who want to view the trial proceedings but due to work schedules and time zone challenges, it has been difficult. Please find below a link to archival footage of the trial on YouTube provided courtesy of JustMeSTKK. The channel owner is committed to providing these video downloads for the duration of the trial.
youtube.com/user/JustMeSTKK
Additional sources for information are the trial transcripts found here:
http://lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04
For those who are interested or just want a more thorough summary of each days’ proceedings, the MJJ Community has a closed forum dedicated to summaries of the trial.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/119153-Murray-Trial-_-All-daily-trial-Summaries-No-discussion-October-4th-Day-6-Full-Testimony
Please do not support tabloid media.
Thank you,
MJTruthNow
http://www.MJTruthNow
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My pleasure, Vindicatemj;
By the way all 12:30 PST is 20:30 GMT. I will be calling in tomorrow and certainly hope all of us plus our fantastic med experts here and elsewhere will do the same.
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Deborah, thank you for this email from Erin! I would like to repeat it here as it is top important that people should call and defend Michael:
Erin-
It was truly a pleasure to talk to you. Could we have you on as a guest on Thursday, as Tom Mesereau just got back to me about being our guest tomorrow. I want to devote our entire show on Thursday to you and your work on this case, and devotion to Mr. Jackson. If you could call in at 12:25, on Thursday, October 6, 2011, (877) 604-2496, that would be great.
We would love it if you could encourage Mr. Jackson’s fans to call into the show daily, at 12:30 at (877) 604-2496, as we want to include this element of Mr. Jackson’s life/legacy. Tomorrow would be a great day as Mr. Mesereau has always been a fierce champion of Mr. Jackson’s.
Again, thank you for your time. Your dedication to Michael Jackson is truly admirable.
Best,
Jan Heger
Legal Editor
RadarOnline.com
~
Please take this opportunity given to you, to set the record straight.
Erin Jacobs.
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Day 6: October 4, 2011:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5/Last:
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Hi Everyone:
Does anyone know if Lorazepam comes in pill form and if they were found at Michael’s home?
When they showed the invoices for the propofol yesterday in court, Murray had also ordered 2 trays of vials of lorazepam, so I am wondering where they came up with their theory of Michael ingesting 8 pills.
Thank you
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Continuation: Day 5:
Part 7:
Part 8/Last:
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The idea that ignorance could be the ‘other’ jury in this case, concerns me.
Speaking as someone who has to read the medical jargon in this case over and over to make any sense of it — the jury in CM’s trial are not allowed to access external information to augment their knowledge. This could present a serious problem.
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http://lawmedconsultant.com/2458/stunning-propofol-evidence-in-jackson-physician-manslaughter-trial
STUNNING Propofol Evidence In Jackson Physician Manslaughter Trial
September 27, 2011
In the prosecution’s opening statement on the first day of Dr. Conrad Murray’s Involuntary Manslaughter trial, the jury was led through a basic pharmacology course of the hypnotic sedative anesthesia agent propofol. He promises that the jury will be hearing a lot about the “science of propofol”, as well as Dr. Murray’s lies told to a supplying pharmacy that he had a California clinic in need of the drug, when no such clinic existed and the shipments were being sent to his girlfriends house.
Most shocking is the amount of medication Murray ordered from April – May of 2009.
In divided monthly shipments over just these three months, Dr. Murray ordered and had delivered, a total of 155,000 mg of propofol, 40 vials of midazolam (Versed), and 20 vials of lorazepam (Ativan). To put this in perspective, this equates to a total of nearly 5 gallons of propofol, or 1,937 mg per day of propofol. This is enough medication to run a medium sized operating room for the same period of time.
A quick lesson on propofol: It is the most commonly used induction agent for general anesthesia in the country. If you go into a hospital or outpatient surgery center and have a general anesthetic chances are you will be put to sleep with an injection of propofol. Depending on body weight and other factors, an average dose for this purpose is 150-200mg for an adult. Such doses are expected to render the patient without consciousness, reaction to pain, and significant respiratory depression or even commonly a cessation of breathing.
Only highly trained anesthesia professionals like Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists or Anesthesiologists administer propofol for general anesthesia. Whenever and wherever propofol is given to a patient. emergency airway equipment and a crash cart must be present, and a cardiac monitor, blood pressure monitor and pulse oximetry monitor to measure the amount of oxygen in the blood.
Of these, only a tiny, cheap, battery powered. worn around the neck of a physician pulse oximeter was present, which had no alarm to warn of dangerous readings.
Propofol can also be used in far smaller doses for sedation (a typical dose would be 20 mg IV) , and as a continuous IV infusion for sedation or general anesthesia. A typical patient receiving such an infusion would be one who is in a medically induced coma in an ICU. Conrad Murray was administering such continuous IV infusions on a daily basis, based on his own admission to investigators. After all, Murray was administering nearly 2,000 mg per day….enough for 10 general anesthetics per day.
But it is worse than that. Midazolam and lorazepam, both given IV, have a tremendous potentiating effect when given with propofol, meaning it takes less propofol to attain the desired effect. When you add the incredible amount of these drugs that were being used, it boggles the mind that Jackson was not dead long before he was.
According to the opening statement, prosecutors say Murray claims minor amounts of medications administered that early morning beginning at 130 am. Murray is claiming he administered only 10 mg of valium by tablet, 4mg of lorazepam IV and 4mg of midazolam IV over the next 8 1/2 hours culminating in a 25 mg IV dose of propofol. He says he then left the room for 2 minutes to ‘empty urine’ and when he returned Jackson was not breathing.
On autopsy, instead of the small amount of propofol one would have expected to be found in Jackson’s system on toxicology examination, they instead found a very large amount expected from a high dose which would have produced general anesthesia for a number of adults and cessation of breathing. Further, this level was in the BLOOD, indicating that Jackson died immediately after being bolused with what would have been a ~100 ml vial (1000 mg). When someone dies, their metabolism of any drugs in their system ceases, so whatever is found in the blood at autopsy is what was in the blood at time of death.
Propofol is metabolized out of the blood very quickly, in less than 10 minutes. Jackson was shot full of a mega dose of propofol and immediately stopped breathing and died. Murray kept no medical records and when paramedics arrived as asked him point blank if he had administered any medications to Jackson, he said “lorazepam”. When medics contacted their medical command and related their findings of an obviously dead and non salvageable Michael Jackson, their EMS medical director pronounced Jackson dead at his home.
However Murray insisted Jackson’s care continue and that he be transported to the emergency room, and agreed to take responsibility for his medical care, a request which the EMS physician granted. on arrival to the ER, Murray again lied to the medical staff saying Jackson only received a small dose of lorazepam. no mention of midazolam or propofol was made.
Other highlights so far:
Murray was being paid $150,000 per month.
On May 10, 2009, Murray recorded Jackson in a very obvious impaired state slurring his words and talking gibberish. This stunning recording was played in part today. It did seem to indicate, in his own words, that Jackson planned to use the proceeds from his tour to build The Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital, which he planned to be the ‘best’ in the world.
Jackson was connected to a urinary catheter when security staff arrived to his bedside. Murray directed the staff to quickly collect the medical equipment and medications in the room prior to EMS arrival.
Prosecutors presented a powerful case that Murray acted as a drug dealer and not a physician, granting his patient’s requests no matter how medically absurd, inappropriate, contraindicated or dangerous they were…all for the big bucks.
The defense is making their opening statement now and as expected are painting Murray as a competent physician trying to get Jackson off drugs and claiming Jackson self administered the medication that killed him. They are claiming it killed him instantly and that no one could have saved him.
Only one problem with that statement: you do not die from propofol and benzodiazepine over administration, absent contributing underlying medical issues, even at relatively high doses, unless no specially trained medical provider is present who takes action to support your breathing.
Clearly they will be relying on the lack of medical knowledge of the jury to try and win this case.
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Thanks a lot for the effort in bringing the trial details here!
U know what, I am just appalled at the inhumanity of “Nancy Disgrace”…she was saying…he was lying on his urine!! I am like so what even if the bag was FULL! So what! If somebody is sedated they can’t go to bathroom so u hv to have that thing there.
I hate to say this but I really wish the wolf looking Nancy Disgrace undergoes some major surgery, she is sedated and needs the piss bag. And the next thing she hears is somebody yelling on the T.V. Nancy Disgrace is lying on her pee pee!
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Of course the children were hysterical – their father was their whole world, and the terrible news that he was dead didn’t come from a trained compassionate social worker. Frank Dileo blurted it out.
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To all of our readers this is important. Today Sade Anding testified that she heard “coughing and mumbling in the background. I want to expalin how this would be impossible for anyone from the effects of the 2 medications that were adminstered. Both propofol and Ativan supress the respiratory center in the brain.While being under the effects of these 2 medications the way that it slows the breathing is because the brain does not trigger the diaphragm to contract and relax and the patient stops breathing.
The cough reflex is a response to an obstruction in the trachea to clear the airway. A supressed respiratory center would not produce a cough as a response to the actions of the propofol and Ativan. You would not cough because you would not have the “drive” to breathe to ilicit a cough response to a blocked trachea.
IMO Sade Anding can only be a “dark horse” that Murray solicited to help him establish a timeline contrary to what must have happened.
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Thanks David for that find. It’s timely too. There is a message circulating at the moment from Erin Jacobs asking for help for a program (I know not which, due to take place on October 6.) All details in the following message are from Ms Jacobs:
Here is the message:
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Speaking out and speaking up for Michael Jackson:
In every city, in every state across the country we have talk shows and talk show host who are discussing the Conrad Murray trial and Michael Jackson. I wish I could tell you that these show host were reporting facts and not showing a huge bias towards Michael Jackson but that would be untrue.
I recently did an interview with 700WLW out of Cincinnati Ohio were I found myself up against a host who not only blamed Michael Jackson for his death but then went on to say he had physiological problems that lead him to becoming a drug addict.
These shows host are both misinformed and malicious. It dawned on me this morning that while millions of Americans are driving to work each morning they are being subjected to outright lies and false information. It’s no wonder people have a warped sense of who Michael Jackson really was. It is our job as fans [and advocates] to speak up and correct these people.
I was contacted by the editor of Radar Online who assured me they want the truth as, to what happened to Michael Jackson. She shared with me that yesterday they had Gloria Allred on the show, they took calls and not a single person called in to defend Michael Jackson. Tomorrow the guest will be Thomas Mesereau.
Radar Online would like to hear from the fans. Here is a chance to get our point of view out. No one knows this case better than us. So when we have a chance to speak please do.
I am going to share this email with you so you have all the info you need to call in.
Erin-
[Email]:
It was truly a pleasure to talk to you. Could we have you on as a guest on Thursday, as Tom Mesereau just got back to me about being our guest tomorrow. I want to devote our entire show on Thursday to you and your work on this case, and devotion to Mr. Jackson. If you could call in at 12:25, on Thursday, October 6, 2011, (877) 604-2496, that would be great.
We would love it if you could encourage Mr. Jackson’s fans to call into the show daily, at 12:30 at (877) 604-2496, as we want to include this element of Mr. Jackson’s life/legacy. Tomorrow would be a great day as Mr. Mesereau has always been a fierce champion of Mr. Jackson’s.
Again, thank you for your time. Your dedication to Michael Jackson is truly admirable.
Best,
Jan Heger
Legal Editor
RadarOnline.com
~
Please take this opportunity given to you, to set the record straight.
Erin Jacobs.
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@Teva
That’s certainly something to consider. But I thought Anding said she heard someone ‘cough.’ There was a clarity to the way she said it which did not sound like it was audio from a TV set.
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Hey guys, here is an amazing interview that Justice4MJ co-founder Erin Jacobs did with some ignorant shock jock who tried to argue that MJ was a drug addict! Pay attention! This is how you deal with haters!
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@Deborah Ffrench
I believe the voices could have been from a televion set, if indeed it wasn’t just Murray voice. I have heard Michael said during the Bashir interview that he liked to sleep with the lights on, and music/television because it made him feel like he was on stage. This is also consistent with nurse Cherlyn Lee who said that on the occasions when she watched Michael sleeping his room was always brightly lit with a television playing in the background. She said Prince would put in Donald Duck cartoons, he liked the artistry.
I do not believe there was another person along with Murray in the room.
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Everyone.
Something else to consider about Hamid Towfigh interview.
How can Murray Justify injecting 2 syringes full of propofol at the least. If MJ was already out due to the 1st syringe he has no excuse to use the 2nd it is not needed.
Not to mention the Lorazepam was enough to keep a normal person asleep all night. I don’t think we will ever truly find out what happened that morning.
Therefore he was incredibly reckless or did it deliberatly.
How long would 1 syringe keep him down for by the way?
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Yes, Helena. I also took a double take when I heard Ms Anding testify to hearing one voice she did not recognize.With the surveillance tapes ‘apparently’ erased by the LAPD, unfathomable in itself, it cannot be known whether someone else really was in the room, or if Ms Anding simply misinterpreted the acoustics.
@meigadas Thank you very much for your clarification. It’s very kind of you.
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@DeboraFfrench About the gatorgirl´s blog :It is crucial to notice that we are not talking about concentration of propofol found in MJ´s stomach but amount ,what it means is that the amount found in the stomach measured in grams (mg) corresponds to a ridiculous amount measured in units of volume (ml).
When you want to calculate the amount of one medication or drug in its active form in the blood you talk about miligrams per milliter (unit of weight per unit of volume) because the blood is the liquid (volume) continent and the drug is the content.
But in the stomach ( imagine it as a open bag) you calculate the content in grams because the content is empty. So if 1 milliliter of propofol weights 1,1 grams, the amount found in stomach is 0.13 milligrams= 0.00013 grams, and so if 1 milliliter is equivalent to 1.1 grams, 0.00013 grams are 0.00012 milliliter:
milliliter found on MJ´s stomach= 0.00013 grams X 1 milliliter/1.1grams=0.00012 milliliter
taking on account that we are talking about amounts as 20 milliliter of propofol or more in this case, the amount found in MJ´s stomach is very little. And therefore totally imposible to be intoxicated by it.
@Lynande pointed on another post that the propofol found in the stomach wasn´t there via oral, but maybe from the abdominal trauma caused by a wrong perform of CPR, for me it has sense, if I remember correctly.
This issue being clarified on gatorgirl´s blog is illuminating,IMO.
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OMG, Nicole Alvarez – what a woman! She is acting as if she was in an auditioning. She seems to be happy receiving some kind of fame in the trial. Poor Michael – he had to deal with that kind of people all the time. She is simply stupid, and she is certainly not of help for her boyfriend.
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Sade Alding is saying that she listened to what was going on in the room for 3-4 minutes and she heard mumbling of voices! Chernoff suggests that it could be Conrad Murray’s voice, but how long could he talk to himself?
Even if he did talk to himself it would have been a brief exclamation (of surprise, horror, etc.) but it is impossible to believe that Conrad Murray would have been accompanying all his actions by talking!
For 3-4 minutes!
It seems that this is a point when this trial turned from simple gross negligence into something really sinister.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/Conrad_Murray_Trial/conrad-murray-trial-michael-jacksons-fingerprints-propofol-bottles/story?id=14662986
By JIM AVILA (@JimAvilaABC) , BRYAN LAVIETES, KAITLYN FOLMER (@ABCKaitlyn) and JESSICA HOPPER (@jesshop23)
Oct. 4, 2011
[Note: There is a video embedded in at the above link that I cannot extract. If someone else would like to try … ]
None of the fingerprints on propofol bottles found in Michael Jackson’s bedroom or in his doctor’s possession belonged to the king of pop, sources close to the investigation told ABC News.
That revelation might deal a crippling blow to Dr. Conrad Murray’s defense theory that Jackson himself took a lethal dose of propofol and the sedative lorazepam without Murray’s knowledge, creating a “perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly.” Murray is on trial for Jackson’s death and could face four years in prison if convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
In opening statements, defense attorney Ed Chernoff told jurors that Murray was actually trying to wean Jackson off the creamy anesthetic and that he had given him only 25 mg of the drug June 25, 2009, the day the singer died.
“When Dr. Murray came into the room and found Michael Jackson, there was no CPR, there was no doctor, no paramedic, no machine that was going to revive Michael Jackson,” Chernoff said. “He died so rapidly, so instantly, he didn’t even have time to close his eyes.”
Prosecutors contend that Murray was reckless in his care of Jackson and that he failed to properly monitor the singer. Propofol is typically administered in a hospital setting. Prosecutors also argued that Murray did not let first responders and doctors know that he was treating Jackson with propofol.
Meanwhile, Murray’s former girlfriends, Nicole Alvarez and Sade Anding, are expected to take the stand today. The prosecution says Murray had phone conversations with the women on the day Jackson died. He also had bottles of propofol shipped to Alvarez’s Santa Monica, Calif., home.
Murray’s one-time girlfriend Bridgette Morgan told jurors Monday that she called Murray on the day of Jackson’s death, but that he didn’t pick up the phone.
Aside from the testimony of Morgan, Monday’s testimony in the manslaughter trial centered on the efforts of emergency room doctors at UCLA Medical Center to revive an already dead king of pop.
Cardiologist Thao Nguyen said Murray “sounded desperate” and “looked devastated” in the hospital. Both Nguyen and Dr. Richelle Cooper said that Jackson appeared dead when they saw him and that he showed no signs of life throughout their efforts to restart his hearth.
Nguyen also testified that when she began to ask Murray questions, he was not able to tell her the time Jackson stopped breathing, when medication was administered to him that day or the interval of time between the two events.
“He said he did not have any concept of time,” Nguyen told the court Monday. “He did not have a watch.”
She added that when she “specifically asked” Murray if Jackson had taken any other sedatives or narcotics, “his reply was negative.”
The defense did appear to bolster their argument when one of the emergency room doctors said that even if she had known that Jackson had taken propofol, she would not have been able to revive the singer.
“Had Dr. Murray told you he had given 25 mg of propofol at 10:30, would it have altered your treatment of Michael Jackson?” asked defense attorney Michael Flanagan.
“No,” answered the Dr. Cooper, who was on duty at UCLA Medical Center’s emergency room the night Jackson died.
“Would that have altered the result that happened to Michael Jackson?” Flanagan asked.
“As I said, Mr. Jackson died long before he became my patient,” Cooper answered. “Knowing more, it’s still unlikely I could have done something different to him.”
Murray told Cooper that he was treating the singer for dehydration and that Jackson had no history of health problems, witnesses have testified.
ABC News’ Christina Caron contributed to this report.
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Interesting mathematics from Gatorgirl:
“I learned, first hand, today that 1 MILLIliter of propofol weighs approximately 1.1 GRAMs. The amount of propofol in Michael’s stomach was recorded as 0.13 MILLIgrams (NOT in a drug concentration of 0.13 mg/mL). One GRAM equals 1000 MILLIgrams. Using ratios and proportions (math) this would conclude that 0.13 MILLIgrams would be approximately:
(Drum roll please…)
0.00012 MILLIliters (mLs)”
Read the whole of it here: http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011/10/michael-jackson-drank-propofol-not-so.html
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Lynette
Don’t forget MJ had no fingerprints on propofol bottles. He put gloves on sometime as well apparently.
Defence are woeful. Very thorough prosceution so far going over everything so theres no wiggle room.
I agreed with them and Mesereau at first cos I thought sum jurors wouldn’t procecute on higher charges but after seeing how bad defence are it should be 2nd degree imo. I guess they couldn’t of known that b4 hand.
I just thought the defence would be more slippery and tricky but they can’t some of there cross is just embarassing.
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Start of Second week: Please make a note of this user and update from their page as they are regularly uploading. Alternatively, an invitation to that user to also upload their diligent work at this site as well as youtube could be helpful. I will get in touch and see what happens.
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Yes I would like to also get Dr. Drew to demonstrate to the public that a vial does not have a flip or twist of cap. JVM yesterday kept calling it a bottle. It is not a bottle it is a vial with a rubber stopper. To get propofol out of there you must first have a syringe, draw up air equivalent to the amount of propofol that you want to draw out push that air into the vial and then hold the vial upside down and withdraw the propofol by pulling back on the syringe plunger. It would have been impossible for Michael to have done that in two minutes with 2 syringes.If you do not go through the steps that I outlined what happens when you try to draw up the propofol is that it gets ‘sucked” back into the vial because of the negative pressure of the vial.
Could someone have a friend in the media ask Dr. Drew or someone to demonstrate that.
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Hi Chris,
Yes, and even if he did not have a watch, Murray had two phones. This information has been sent to two journalists currently covering the trial at big outlets.
I am hoping that after this initial chronological part of the trial, the prosecution really starts to hammer home the points raised by Hamid Towfigh and the glaring red flag of Murray saying he witnessed Michael’s cardiac arrest.
Not only would self-administration be impossible by Michael in the sedated state he was in, the fact of the Murray’s omissions and the trail of incriminating behavior he engaged in even before June 25, on and subsequently — needs to be made very clear to the jury.
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@ Deborah
Thanks 4 photo me and bro talking about that yesterday but couldn’t find a photo enlarged enough.
Good to know he had the time to put his watch on but not call 911. lol.
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In direct contradiction to Murray’s statement to Dr Nguyen on June 25, 2009 that he had no concept of time because he didn’t have a watch on, this image would suggest otherwise.
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Jackson doctor’s phone footprints on display:
Monday, Oct 3, 2011
AP Anthony McCartney
LOS ANGELES — Prosecutors in the manslaughter trial against Michael Jackson’s personal physician are keeping jurors focused on the doctor’s phone records from the day the King of Pop died, attempting to show that Dr. Conrad Murray was trying to juggle his medical practice, personal life and superstar patient all at the same time.
Testimony Monday was heavily centered on the calls Murray made and received on June 25, 2009, with witnesses ranging from the Houston-based cardiologist’s patients, a doctor seeking advice and a woman who had dated Murray.
To this point, witnesses have been relatively brief, filling in prosecutors’ timeline of the hours leading up to Jackson’s death. Two people who phoned Murray that morning offered glowing appraisals of the doctor accused of involuntary manslaughter in connection with Jackson’s death.
Jurors have yet to hear from two other women with whom Murray was romantically involved, though both could testify as early as Tuesday. Sade Anding has previously said she was on the phone with Murray shortly before noon when he became distracted and put the phone down without hanging up.
Prosecutors are expected to also call Nicole Alvarez, who had a child with Murray and whose apartment he used to ship orders of the anesthetic propofol. Phone records displayed in court Monday showed Murray called Alvarez four times the afternoon of Jacksons’ death, including once while he was in the ambulance with Jackson’s lifeless body on the way to the hospital.
Murray has pleaded not guilty. Authorities contend he gave the singer a lethal dose of propofol and other sedatives. Murray’s attorneys claim Jackson gave himself the fatal dose. If convicted, Murray faces four years behind bars and the loss of his medical license.
The phone records have revealed the special relationship Murray kept with his patients. Houston-based Dr. Joanne Prashad told jurors she called Murray the morning of Jackson’s death to inquire whether it would be safe to operate on a patient whom Murray had treated.
Prashad said she was surprised that Murray remembered the patient and the exact dosage of medicine that he was taking. Murray’s lead defense attorney Ed Chernoff asked Prashad whether Murray’s recall was unusual for a doctor.
She said yes. “I was impressed,” Prashad said.
Another patient, Antoinette Gill, told jurors she had called Murray’s cell phone for a referral on June 25, 2009, but didn’t reach him. Neither did Bridgette Morgan, a former lover who, according to court documents, called Murray to follow up on his promise to purchase her a plane ticket for her birthday.
Her relationship with Murray was not discussed in front of jurors. Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled earlier this year that prosecutors could not describe the relationship Murray had with certain women or how he met them.
The records overall reveal a doctor who was on his phone a lot in the hours before Jackson’s death. Another former patient, Robert Russell, testified that the doctor had returned a phone message to him at 11:49 a.m. – just 15 minutes or so before he emerged from Jackson’s bedroom frantically seeking help.
He had been on the phone with his medical practice for 32 minutes before that, and was also sending emails about his $150,000 a month contract to serve as Jackson’s personal physician during a planned series of comeback concerts.
Five of the eight witnesses called Monday testified about Murray’s phone records. Jurors also heard from two emergency room doctors who interacted with Murray after Jackson was taken to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.
Both doctors said Murray never mentioned giving Jackson propofol. Cardiologist Dr Thao Nguyen said Murray didn’t provide much information about his treatment of Jackson, but urged doctors to try everything they could to revive him.
“Dr. Murray asked that we not give up easily and try to save Michael Jackson’s life,” she said. “… In Dr. Murray’s mind, if we called it quits, we would be giving up easily.”
In the end, Nguyen and colleague Dr. Richelle Cooper told jurors, Jackson was dead by the time he arrived in the emergency room and nothing more could be done.
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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/03/2435941/michael-jackson-manslaughter-trial.html#ixzz1Znb75AIb
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i think this link to this video must be seen by all. those who haven’t get violins out 4 the defence.
http://www.examiner.com/jackson-family-in-national/former-la-deputy-da-hamid-towfigh-on-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-propofol-video
Chris, thank you so much for the link! It is the best possible argument that can be made!
Here is what former Deputy DA Hamid Towfigh said:
“According to the coroner’s report, Michael Jackson had a general anesthiea levels of propofol levels in his blood. If you ask most anesthisologists, they will say that that is about 200mg or higher of propofol. The syringes that were in the room of Michael Jackson were 10cc syringes which is the equivalent of 100mg. That means that he would have had to inject himself twice — 200 mg of propofol to get the levels that the coroners said he had.
That is not possible because after the first dose that Michael Jackson supposedly gave himself, he would have passed out.”
(I’ll immediately update the 1st post with this information)
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Thanks for that link Chris. I know that today’s testimony didn’t seem to make the progress that last week did. There was the telephone testimony and others on the stand today that have left people wondering what the prosecution is doing.
This trial has to be a step by step process. Last week we saw them establish that Conrad Murray was MJ’s private Physician with the testimony of Kathy Jorrie and Paul Gongaware.He told others including his patients and staff that he would beKenny Ortega testified to how MJ appeared to be healthy in the last 24 hours until Conrad Murray got ahold of him.
Then came Michael Amir William’s,Faheem Muhammad, and Alberto Alverez. They all testified that Murray wasted valuable minutes calling them and picking up the scene before calling 911. The same with Kai Chase.
The the paramadics testified that things just did not look right like Micahel had been dead much longer than what they were told on the call. They also put him in possession of more vials and even more taking his time to do his thing than to get to the Hospital
Dr Cooper and Dr Nguyen both said that he did not provide them with crucial and critical facts that were necessary in their treatment of him. My personal favorite from today was the answer to attorney Flanagan’s question about giving propofol in a home setting without monitoring equipment “that would be a first”. And that is exactly why we are having this trial.Because no other Doctor anywhere has ever considered such a thing. Not one!
The telephone guys testified that he had phone calls and had 2 phones. The prosecution proved that he was preoccupied with phone calls to others.The Dr from Houston said he had a remarkable memory when it came to his patients and yet he couldn’t recall that he had a heavily illegally sedated patient in the next room.
I think we will see more how all of this ties together when we hear from the coroner and police investigators.We need to be patient on some days it will just seem like the prosecution is giving points to Murray when they allow people to get on the stand and say nice thiings about him. But the thing is no one is saying he isn’t nice. The case is involuntary manslughter, not murder, no matter what we might think, and the prosecutions job is not to prove that he was an evil person that intended to kill MJ, just that he did not care about his patient and that indifference is what killed Michael.Personally I will go with anything that puts that man behind bars anything that stops him from being a Doctor.
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One thing that has really disturbed me during this trial is that every time Dr. Murray has been shown he has no facial expression. He just sits there with a blank look on his face, when people are testifying and saying things that contradict him he doesn’t shake his head or frown, he does nothing, he just keeps the same blank look. That guy is scary…
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I’m sorry for my ignorance if this has already been put up but i think this link to this video must be seen by all.
Most prob have;
those who haven’t get violins out 4 the defence.
http://www.examiner.com/jackson-family-in-national/former-la-deputy-da-hamid-towfigh-on-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-propofol-video
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The reason for the gag order:
Video of Matt Alford, referred to as part of the defense team, talking to Today Show:
http://on.msnbc.com/oByBEE
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Today’s testimonies were extremely difficult for me due to their medical language and overall specifics. I will try to put the information together though with the help of media reports – probably they will manage better than I did.
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If the prosecutors cannot obtain a guilty verdict on this Murray case, the state will need to throw the prosecution-team in prison just like they should have done in the Casey Anthony case and have both prosecution-teams serve the maximum sentences they both failed to obtain imo.
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