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Michael Jackson’s Enemies Are LITERALLY One Big Happy Family!

November 9, 2011

I was working on this post tonight, and as I was doing my research, I stumbled upon some BOMBSHELL information that required me to move up the date of publication from this weekend to RIGHT NOW!!! You’ll know it when you see it, and I’m sure you guys will understand why I had to do it! (Also, please take note of my new username, “sanemjfan”.)

In September 2011, former assistant District Attorney (and Sneddon’s lieutenant during the 2005 trial) Ron Zonen married his longtime girlfriend (and prosecution witness) Louise Palanker. She describes herself as a “writer/producer/author/comedian/filmmaker/performer/teacher/philanthropist and enthusiastic typer of ////s”.  I don’t know about her other descriptions, but she certainly is a good comedian! Her testimony during the trial is absolute proof of that! She actually helped the defense by proving that the Arvizos were a bunch of celebrity grifters! Here is a summary from Day 17 of the trial:

Day 17, which Judge Melville announced would only be a half day, featured the testimony of a comedian who gave $20,000 to the family of the boy now accusing Michael Jackson of molestation. She testified Tuesday that she received a tearful phone call from the boy’s mother that led her to believe the family was being held against its will.

Comedian Louise Palanker said she tried to get in touch with the mother after seeing the TV documentary “Living With Michael Mr. Jackson” in which Mr. Jackson and his accuser held hands and Mr. Jackson acknowledged letting children sleep in his bed.

Palanker was called by the prosecution in an effort to support the charge that Mr. Jackson conspired to hold the family captive after the documentary aired on Feb. 6, 2003, in order to get them to make a rebuttal video praising Mr. Jackson.

On the witness stand, Palanker said soon after she left a message with the boy’s grandparents, the mother called her and sounded frightened.

“She was extremely agitated and she was almost whispering. … This was fear-based agitation,” Palanker said.

The mother told her not to call her back at the same number, the witness said. Palanker quoted the mother as saying: “Don’t call me back here. They’re listening to everything I say. These people are evil.”

Palanker said that she believed the boy’s mother suffered from a “hostage syndrome” that made her feel trapped. She did not say where the mother was at the time of the call. The comedian said she called her attorney after the call. She did not call the police.

The defense contends the boy’s mother exploited relationships with Palanker and other celebrities to get money. With Palanker’s testimony, the prosecution sought to show it was the now-estranged father who did that.

Louise Palanker said she believed the woman had felt like a hostage since she became married at age 16 to a man who allegedly abused her. The comedian told jurors how the accuser’s family, who claimed to be poverty-stricken, joined classes in 1999 at the Laugh Factory comedy club in Hollywood and received help from comics including George Lopez and Chris Tucker.

Palanker said she once gave the family $10,000 so they could take time off work and cover personal expenses while the boy was being treated for cancer in 2000.

“I was in a position where I could help this family and I didn’t want someone to ever be alone in a hospital,” she said.

But within two weeks of the first gift, she said, the father asked her for another $10,000 to fix up a germ-free room for the boy when he came home. She obliged and later visited the room, where she found the family had bought a large-screen TV and DVD for the boy, expenditures she considered to be poor money management.

She said the contractor sent to fix up the room was never paid, and eventually decided to consider his work a gift to the boy.

Palanker said she and Jamie Masada, owner of the Laugh Factory, organized two benefits for the family at the father’s urging but by the time of the second benefit Lopez refused to perform because the father and boy had accused Lopez and his wife of stealing $300 from the boy’s wallet.

“They were irate,” Palanker said of the Lopezes. “They thought (the father) was lying.”

When Lopez refused to perform at the final benefit, she said, the father picked up a pile of cash that had been raised. “He threw it at Jamie and said, ‘I don’t want your money,'” Palanker said, adding that the father eventually took it.

After that benefit, she said, her contact with the family “became less and less” until the call from the mother.

Mr. Jackson’s attorney questioned Palanker about the family’s interest in meeting celebrities.

“Did you say at any time that they were trying to latch on to celebrities to get out of their situation?” Mr. Mesereau asked.

Latch on to anyone that could help them,” said Palanker.

Palanker acknowledged the family “liked to make phone calls” to celebrities – including Jay Leno, who contacted Palanker. “He told me they had left three messages on his voice mail,” she said, acknowledging that Jay Leno did ask her to tell the family to stop calling him.

On top of that, after her abysmal testimony, she had the temerity to accuse Mesereau of “twisting her words around” and making the current case “like the O.J. Simpson and Robert Blake” cases! She told Jamie Masada her thoughts on Mesereau after her testimony, and before his. Here is a summary from MJEOL:

Louise Palanker seems to have a problem with Tom Mesereau. Palanker was called out repeatedly about the prior insulting and inconsistent statements she made about the family. Apparently, through the testimony of Jamie Masada, the owner of the Laugh Factory –who claims to have “introduced” the accuser to Jackson — Palanker had the gall to claim Mesereau was making this “case” into another OJ Simpson or Robert Blake.

No, I’m not kidding.

Masada admitted to talking to Palanker about her testimony on the stand after she testified and before his testimony on March 29 2005. Palanker seems to have a problem with being caught either lying on the stand or lying to police during an interview she didn’t know was being taped by the police. An Associated Press (AP) report by Linda Deutsch titled “Witness Lashes Out at Jackson’s Attorney” dated March 29 2005 details Masada’s testimony about the apparently unfunny Palanker:

The tone changed when Masada, who owns the Laugh Factory club in Hollywood, was asked by Mesereau about comedian Louise Palanker, who testified last week. “She wants to be a comic,” he said. “We help them. Sometimes you have to give them bad news.” “You’ve told her she’s not funny?” asked Mesereau. “Let me tell you,” Masada said. “I find you more funny than she is.” Masada said Palanker had been in touch with him since she testified and that she once referred to O.J. Simpson’s acquittal in the 1994 killings of his ex-wife and her friend and Blake’s recent acquittal in the 2003 slaying of his wife. “She said that you have made this court like O.J.’s court or Robert Blake’s court, and you lied and changed the words around,” Masada said.

Mesereau asked the alleged “comedian” about her transcribed and recorded statements to the police. We’re still in the process of going through Palanker’s cross-examination via the transcripts and she came up with some doozies. She was caught on tape by police — again, she didn’t know the police were taping that interview — insulting the mother and the family; calling the mother bipolar, saying the family is “as wacky as they wanna be” and she even called Masada a “pathological liar“.

Now THAT’S comedy!

The fact that Zonen married Palanker (which in and of itself is utterly disgusting) isn’t even the biggest aspect of this post; it’s the fact that both Gavin and Star Arvizo were at the wedding! And Palanker literally thumbed her nose at the fan community by publishing the photos of them on her public Facebook page! And on top of that, she originally tagged them to their OFFICIAL personal Facebook pages as well!

And if that wasn’t enough, Diane Dimond was there too! It’s truly amazing how everyone involved with the allegations is linked to each other, as shown by this flowchart from The VERITAS Project.

I don’t believe it was an accident; Palanker knew exactly what she was doing, and she quickly removed the photos after they received numerous angry messages from fans. I personally believed that she wanted to pour salt in the wounds of grieving fans during the trial by reminding us of the REAL people who are responsible for killing Michael: Gavin and Star Arvizo! Their lies set the wheels in motion of what would be the destruction of Michael Jackson! The joy she felt from upsetting so many fans far outweighed the privacy of the Arvizos!

I would have posted the photos here when they first hit the internet, but I decided to wait until after the trial is over.

According to Gavin’s profile, he attends Emory University, located in Georgia, which is where the family moved after the trial.  Star graduated from Georgia Military College with an associate’s degree in Business Administration, and is now attending Georgia State UniversityIronically, Star lists God as one of the people who “inspires” him! 

Gavin also graduated from Georgia Military College. Here is the Summer 2009 Dean’s List; Gavin was on the President’s List for having a GPA of at least 3.7. Here is an official newsletter from Summer 2009, and Gavin is listed on Page 3. 

I did some research, and found some startling information! It seems that Zonen was correct, and Gavin really is trying to become a lawyer! He recently participated in Emory University’s Mock Trial program! Here is the proof (this is the bombshell info that I found tonight!):

Here is the official Facebook page of the group:

Here is how I found out he was involved: I did a Google search of “Emory University Gavin Arvizo”, and I stumbled upon the comment from Brandon Bullard, who gave well wishes to Gavin, who was preparing to take the Law School Admission Test. The team also wished Gavin a happy birthday on September 13th! How nice of them!


Brand Bullard is one of the coaches of Emory’s undergraduate mock trial team. Here is his bio from the Emory Mock Trial team’s website:

Brandon Bullard has coached Emory University’s undergraduate mock trial teams since January 2010. A graduate of Emory University School of Law, Brandon works as an Assistant Public Defender for the Paulding Judicial Circuit in Dallas, Georgia. He has been the appellate specialist there since 2008—representing indigent criminal defendants before the Supreme Court and Court of Appeals of Georgia. Before that, Brandon served as a trial and appellate attorney for the Macon Judicial Circuit Public Defender’s Office in Macon, Georgia.

Currently Brandon lives in Marietta, where he reads avidly, writes, and pursues an interest in zymurgy.

Here is Zonen’s description of Gavin from last year’s “Frozen In Time” seminar:

Where is he today?  He’s twenty years old.  He’s a 3rd year student at a very prominent university on the east coast.  I’m not going to mention the name of the school, but anyone who would like to know come see me, I’ll tell you. He’s an Honor student who has a 3.5 GPA, and a double major in Philosophy and History, and he’s planning on going to Law School! Some of you will agree with that, and some of you won’t.  He’s a deeply religious young man, in a relationship with a young woman, for about 2 years, the daughter of a minister.  He attends church on a regular basis.  He doesn’t drink, doesn’t do drugs.  He’s delightful in his presentation.  I spent time with him only a month ago. And he’s really doing remarkable well.  He has never asked for or taken a penny from anybody about any of the activity of this case.  Never. There are standing offers from the press for his story for enough money that would cover his tuition, which is considerable, never mind that he’s on a 50% scholarship. But he has never taken a penny from anybody, and no intention of doing so. He’s accruing debt like college kids do today, but he’s doing just fine.  I assume that we’ll have more questions coming up about jury selection, and the trial, and I’ll be happy to answer them at that time.

I think it’s highly probably that as soon as Gavin earns his law degree (assuming he’s accepted to law school), he will surely have doors opened for him, as Zonen and Sneddon will give him excellent “character” references! Being the lying snake that he is, Gavin is more than qualified for a career in the legal field! Here are some photos of Gavin with his classmates at Emory:

Gavin is on the right. Looks like he’s gained some weight, huh?

Gavin is on the right, clean shaven in this photo.

Once again, Gavin is on the right.

I will respectfully ask that you not try to send any threatening or harassing messages to any of them, as it is futile to think that you’ll get a confession out of them, or make them feel remorse.  If you can’t resist the urge to reach out to them, please be respectful (as hard as it may be), because if you harass or threaten them, they may report you to Facebook, and your account could possibly be taken down.  I am sending this message out so that MJ fans can keep abreast of what these losers are up to, but not to harass them, because it’s pointless.  

If MJ could move on and not have malice in his heart towards them, then so can we.

(Update: Both Gavin and Star have changed their privacy settings, and you cannot send them any messages or friend requests.)

Here are the photos from the wedding, as well as some older photos from years ago! (Which show how far back these friendships go!)

Here are photos of Diane Dimond! I looked at her facebook page, and she has some very interesting connections, to say the least!

In the two photos above, you can clearly see that Dimond is friends with two of the “Neverland 5”: Melanie Bagnall and Adrian McManus! You can read more about McManus’s laughable testimony in this post (Bullet point #6), and in this post. (Kassim Abdool, Ralph Chacon, and Sandy Domz are the other “Neverland 5” members.) They also sold their stories to Maureen Orth and Victor Gutierrez, and you can read this post to see how their lawyer was fined $28,350 for not disclosing their interviews to a judge before their civil trial! Bagnall and McManus are also FB friends as well, as you can imagine!

Here is Dimond and her buddy Zonen. How many journalists remain friends with the lawyers that they cover?

Yes, that’s Jason Pfeiffer in the photo below! The same guy who, along with MJ’s “friend” Arnold Klein, sold a story claiming to be MJ’s gay lover ON THE SAME DAY that Aphrodite Jones aired her documentary on Investigation Discovery! Nikki Allygator debunked that trash in this post!

In the photos below, you’ll see that Dimond is truly being a guardian angel for Star! (She isn’t FB friends with Gavin, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not in touch!) I wonder what type of advice and mentoring she’s giving them?

Here are some additional photos of Dimond’s connections with, Zonen, Palanker, and Stacy Brown:

Zonen and Dimon are on the left, and Stacy Brown is on the right.

Dimond, Zonen, and Palanker.

In the following photos, you’ll see that Stacy Brown is friends with Susan Filan and Dan Abrams, who he worked with while serving as an “analyst” during the trial.

Abrams hosted his own show during the trial, and Susan Filan and Stacy Brown were regular guests. Here is Abrams’ speech from the Harvard Law School seminar in November 2005. (Mesereau spoke there as well.)

Here is Filan’s “closing arguments” for the prosecution at the end of the trial. Try to keep a straight face while watching it!

Here are some photos of Brown’s connection to some of the aformentioned people:

Wow! Dimond is friends with pro-prosection entertainer Susan Filan! What a shock!

If you think that Star or Gavin have an ounce of remorse for what they did, think again! Here is a message he wrote to someone on July 10th, 2009 (from a now defunct account.)

Whew! Based on all of those connections, I think it’s time to update the flowchart from The Veritas Project! It’s waaaayyyy outdated!

See guys? This is post shows what can be accomplished when you use some good old fashioned detective work! Who would have ever thought that I would find recent photos of Gavin? I guess my new nickname should be Sherlock Holmes, huh?

UPDATE! April 12, 2012 by sanemjfan

Thanks to our excellent reader Nan, I have some bombshell info to pass along to you! Here are the Facebook pages of Jason and Blanca Francia!

Jason still lives in Santa Maria, and he also has his own Vimeo page. He’s obviously a big fan of N’Sync, because three years ago he posted a long video in which he and a friend “act” out in a home movie, and then begin to lip synch to the song “It’s Tearing Up My Heart!” I think it was pretty bold of him to show open himself up to the world in such a manner, but when you consider the fact that Jason is often the “forgotten” accuser, and many fans are extremely unfamiliar with his story, he probably felt safe and confident that he could do such a thing. I highly doubt you’ll ever see Jordan Chandler doing such a thing!

Here are is my summary and analysis of both Jason and Blanca Francia!

(Open the link below to watch Jason’s video impersonation of N’Sync!)

Here is a mash-up video that myself and LunaJo67 made, which combines Jason’s own home video with media coverage of how he was laughed at by jurors after he testified against Jackson in 2005!

And here’s a link to Jason’s Myspace Video page, where he uploaded 4 videos in 2009! These videos include him singing along to a song in a car with friends, talking to his dog, and other boring crap that is indicative of his lack of personality and remorse for his actions against Jackson! 

And thanks to our reader Hilary, here are screenshots of Jason’s Twitter account and his  All Trails account!

Lastly, here is MJ’s attorney Thomas Mesereau and journalist Charles Thomson speaking on the ties and connections between MJ’s accusers and prosecution team:

255 Comments leave one →
  1. JMie permalink
    November 9, 2011 1:18 pm

    wow, thanks for this research.


  2. LunaJo permalink
    November 9, 2011 2:17 pm

    It’s amazing and yet horrible and disgusting when you realize how this web was surrounding Michael Jackson. I’m sure there’s much more links between people we never heard of and we never saw or will see. It’s ironic how the same people accused Michael of being part of a conspiracy when this has conspiracy written all over! And Michael knew…he talked about it many times.
    Thank you so much for this eye opening article! Sherlock Holmes should be your middle name 😉


  3. November 9, 2011 2:17 pm

    “I’m totally innocent. All of these stories are fabricated. There’s a lot of conspiracy going around. A whole lot of it”—Michael Jackson, on Jesse Jackson radio show, March 2005

    Poor Michael. Can you imagine sitting in a courtroom day after day hearing one disgusting lie after the other? He knew that there was a lot of conspiracy going around and that these witnesses were not telling the truth, hence the reason why they would crumble so quickly under cross examination.

    They all formed lasting friendships from destroying one man..How pathetic.


  4. November 9, 2011 3:38 pm

    Ugh. You stalkers are disgusting. You are doing the same to people that you deride others for doing to Michael. I’m sure you have some twisted logic where you can justify this disturbing behaviour in your own minds but sane people will see it for exactly what it is – obsessive compulsion from people who just can’t let go and get on with their lives. I hope one day you will realise that this is a) totally unacceptable behaviour which has crossed, no, jumped a line; and b) absolutely crazy to be stalking people over a dead pop star’s reputation which he himself ruined.

    As has been pointed out elsewhere, if Michael never did anything wrong, why do you all feel the need to defend him?

    I know this comment won’t be published, will be deleted or will be edited, but the people who need to see it will see it.

    Thanks for continuing to (subconsciously) keep trashing Michael’s image.


  5. Gif permalink
    November 9, 2011 4:17 pm

    How do the Arvisos pay for the boys´ education? I thought they were penniless…


  6. Suzy permalink
    November 9, 2011 4:34 pm

    @ Kurt

    Their Facebook profiles are public. It’s also they who decided to publish their pictures, so there’s no “stalking” there. For all the things these people have done to an innocent man they totally deserve to be exposed for the trash they are and the fact they are ALL connected!

    “As has been pointed out elsewhere, if Michael never did anything wrong, why do you all feel the need to defend him?”

    So you would not defend yourself if you would be accused of a heinous crime? You also would not defend a loved one of he or she would be accused of a heinous crime?

    I love to see haters like you get all nervous about blog posts like this. It’s gotta be hitting a nerve :)))


  7. Suzy permalink
    November 9, 2011 4:44 pm

    Oh, so Jason Pfeiffer is friends with Diane Dimond? So he continues befriending haters and detractors. What a “soulmate” to Michael! LOL.


  8. November 9, 2011 4:51 pm

    “if Michael never did anything wrong, why do you all feel the need to defend him?”

    I personally don’t feel the need to defend him any longer. The research made for the past two and half years made it absolutely clear to me that Michael was completely innocent and was a victim of most vicious harassment. So now it is only WHY he was harassed which needs to be studied.

    That is why the phenomenon of your type of people is interesting. It should become a subject of separate research why some people defy the truth of Michael’s innocence even when it is thrust in their faces. Not being able to see the truth when it is so plain and obvious must be a sort of an illness and I would like to know what makes people so ill.


  9. sanemjfan permalink
    November 9, 2011 4:55 pm

    @ Kurt
    No, we won’t delete your comment. We respect dissenting opinions on this blog. Don’t get mad at me for making this post; you should place the blame squarely on Louise Palanker! She DELIBERATELY posted the photos, and gave us fans an early Christmas present by tagging the photos to their REAL profiles, which are almost impossible to find via a search. I believe she did it to thumb her nose at the fan community, but either way, what’s done is done. They can’t put the genie back in the lamp now, can they!

    Also, the Emory University Mock Trial team posted those photos on their official website and Facebook pages, so they are also in the public domain as well. You would think that they would have been smart enough NOT to acknowledge Gavin publicly by wishing him Good Luck and Happy Birthday on their Facebook wall, but at least they were smart enough not to tag him! I wonder how many of them, if any, even know about Gavin’s background? In today’s technological age, it’s almost impossible to NOT know!

    Also, if you had actually read the post, instead of merely skimming through it, you would have read my request to the fan community to not harass them by sending them threatening messages. So you can’t accuse me of inciting violence against them!


  10. Suzy permalink
    November 9, 2011 5:04 pm

    And you gotta love how “pious” all these people are, citing God all the time. Guess they never read their Bible about bearing false witness.

    They know that in the US that’s what you can manipulate people with. Claim to be super religious and pious and you already won a lot of people to sympathize with you.


  11. Suzy permalink
    November 9, 2011 5:47 pm

    One more thing: at about the time of the Palanker wedding Dimond said on her twitter that she’s working on “another Jackson source”. I was wondering if she’s preparing an interview with Gavin. I wouldn’t be surprised. Sooner or later this little rat will start making his rounds in the media and cash-in on his nonexistent story.


  12. stargateuse permalink
    November 9, 2011 5:53 pm

    Thank you very much for this research!!!

    I know that Michael is an innocent man and that it is its love for humanity and confidence in the men who one to kill!
    But I also know that soon I will re-examine Mike when God brings back it to the life and that all this shit will be only past and finally Michael will be able to taste with the happiness of a world without suffering it for what it has to fight all his life!!!!!
    i keep the faith see you soon Mike !!!


  13. ares permalink
    November 9, 2011 6:00 pm

    Wow, just wow. I just can’t express with words what i feel after reading all this things. I have this anger inside me which is not very healthy. Those people should, not they Must get punnished for what they did. MJ’s memory and legacy needs a vindication from what this poor exuses of human being did to him.


  14. anniedomino permalink
    November 9, 2011 7:09 pm

    I am not advocating that these people be harassed or stalked, but it is unjust that they are leading happy, productive lives when Michael Jackson is lying dead in his tomb. There should be no rest for the wicked. They gave up their right to peaceful existence when they falsely accused an innocent man and ruined his life. Everything that can be legally done to make them uncomfortable should be done.
    And Kurt – this is not just about some “dead pop stars reputation”. It is about justice. Right and wrong.


  15. November 9, 2011 7:36 pm

    David, I have a suggestion for your chart of the Family of Haters. First, Victor Gutierrez, a NAMBLA suspect member, should be placed in the very center of the chart, close to Diane Dimond as he was the one with whom the whole thing probably started and also because he was Diane Dimond’s “best source” (according to her own words).

    Secondly, Larry Feldman, who was involved in both 1993 and 2005 cases should be linked to Tom Sneddon, as he was the one who personally called Tom Sneddon and took the non-existent Arvizo case to Sneddon’s attention. It wasn’t Dr. Katz or anyone else – no, it was Larry Feldman (according to his own testimony).

    And this despite the fact that he didn’t believe the Arvizos. He said to Larry King that the mother was out for money only. But if he didn’t believe her why did he take the case to Tom Sneddon then? Larry King was amazed that they did not allow him to testify to Feldman’s words at the 2005 trial.

    Larry King and publisher Michael Viner about Larry Feldman:

    SANTA MARIA, Calif. — The judge in Michael Jackson’s child molestation trial ruled Thursday against allowing CNN host Larry King to testify for the defense, saying his statements would be irrelevant.

    Judge Rodney S. Melville ruled after listening to King’s account of a conversation with an attorney, Larry Feldman, who represented the accuser’s family.

    Without the jury present, King said that Feldman told him the accuser’s mother was out for money and referred to her as “wacko.”

    Testifying earlier for the prosecution, Feldman denied making such statements about his clients, saying, “It is absolutely privileged, and if anybody tells you that, they are absolutely lying.”

    After listening to an account by King and another man who heard the conversation, the judge ruled them out on grounds they would not impeach Feldman’s testimony because neither could say the attorney directly quoted the accuser’s mother.

    On the stand and without jurors present, King said he spoke to Feldman at a Beverly Hills restaurant before the trial began. He said he and a producer were trying to get Feldman to appear on “Larry King Live.”

    He said Feldman told him he didn’t take the mother’s case because he didn’t find her credible and thought she was only after money.

    “The mother was a ’wacko’ was the term he used,” King said.

    “He said he thinks she wants money. … He said ’wacko’ a couple of times and he said ’she’s in this for the money,”’ King told the judge.

    Jackson defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. asked King if he asked Feldman to clarify what he meant by “wacko.”

    “No, I think that’s self-explanatory,” King said.

    There had been speculation that King might try to avoid testifying by invoking a state shield law that protects journalists from testifying in many circumstances. But the matter was not raised before the testimony was ruled out.

    The judge also ruled against testimony by a publisher, Michael Viner, who was present during King’s meeting with Feldman.

    Without the jury present, Viner told the judge that Feldman said “he had met with them (the family) and felt that their statements, their case, didn’t hold up to scrutiny and he didn’t believe them.”

    Tom Sneddon is asking Larry Feldman at the 2005 trial:

    Q. Did they take the report?

    7 A. They didn’t take the report, and they didn’t

    8 direct us to another agency. They –

    12 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Now, after you left the

    13 agency, did you decide on a course of action?

    14 A. Yes.

    22 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. Who did you

    23 call?

    24 A. I called you.

    The Department for children and family services rejected the report about the Arvizos because half a year before that, soon after Bashir’s documentary, they had investigated the case and conducted personal interviews with each of the family – and then they were full of praise for Michael. But Feldman evidently wanted to get Michael so much that he called Sneddon – though he himself knew that the Arvizos were fake!


  16. BlueLotus permalink
    November 9, 2011 7:47 pm

    The worst was reading the note by Gavin! Can’t believe what kind of mind it must be to STILL be spreading lies…and how naive was Michael to call him a “sweet child”!

    Even when I saw his 13 yr old pics from the trial there was nothing sweet about him..God knows what Michael saw in brats n liars from dysfunctional families. But then he had seen him bald and sick…

    I wish a metreor had hit the house where the marriage with all the evil people was taking place…no I am not being cruel….but the souls trapped in these terrible minds need to be FREED!


  17. BlueLotus permalink
    November 9, 2011 8:02 pm

    If I have to choose between the two devils, I would choose “Jordie Chandler”, he at least maintains a low profile!


  18. lynande51 permalink
    November 9, 2011 9:39 pm

    Quick reply to Kurt AKA Mjfanforlife AKA chocolate starfish AKA Charles.What were the comments up until now.Dissenting opinions about MJ’s innocence, a slight brag about the haters setting the tone under the lupus article and another about our right to post emails from Desiree and of course the one that tells us that the site that was put up as a fake Charles Thompson site was in fact the real Charles Thompson.Why would we delete your comments.That is what your friend and commrade Desiree does.You are what you are and that is that it is you who is the stalker of us as a matter of fact.Being from Australia I was wondering if you were the commentor on Desiree’s site that actually looked Brett Barnes up in the phone book to see if you could contact him?Now who is the sick one.
    By the way your moniker this time isn’t lost on us either attempting to imply that you either agree with or are Kurt Loder which is why this post was written when it was written. I think that our readers know that we will not let a person from a media source make a flat out statement as to the credibility of the people that they get their information from without that source coming under our scrutiny. While everyone is entitled to an opinion that opinion cannot be stated as a fact when there are facts which refute their opinion.


  19. Linda permalink
    November 9, 2011 9:40 pm

    One more thing: at about the time of the Palanker wedding Dimond said on her twitter that she’s working on “another Jackson source”

    Or could this be Murray, or someone affiliated? Just a thought.


  20. lynande51 permalink
    November 9, 2011 9:42 pm

    This is interesting work David. I think Helena is right be sure to VG to the center of that ring when you redo the chart.


  21. November 9, 2011 10:21 pm

    “Kurt AKA Mjfanforlife AKA chocolate starfish AKA Charles.”

    How very interesting – so these four are actually one person?? Lynette, thank you for checking that up. This is one of the reasons why haters’ comments should be sometimes left in the blog.

    And just look at it – this Kurt has the cheek to call himself MJfanforlife!

    What a great illustration how haters are actually working among us. They pretend to be fans and bring a lot of controversy and division into the fanbase – claiming that their lies are the truth solely on the strength of their username.

    Not all that glitters is gold. Not every “fan”, who says he is one, is a fan. You will tell a true fan by his deeds and not by what he says about himself.


  22. lynande51 permalink
    November 9, 2011 10:29 pm

    @VMJ I think it was just another big settlement that Feldman was after he didn’t care if it was true or not just like the Chandler case.As long as he got money that is all he was concerned about and he was left holding the proverbial bag with the Arvizo’s because I doubt his retainer agreement said anything other than he would get paid from a settlement. In the testimony Tom Mesereau was asking him about a confession of judgement that was signed in the 1993 case.It was obviously misconstrued by the prosecution as to what a confession of judgement is in a civil case.It became clear during testimony that they thought it was a confession that the allegations set forth in the 1993 lawsuit were true and that Michael had agreed to that.A confession of judgement is not a confession to the allegations.It is like a quit claim deed for the money being owed to the Chandler’s. If Michael did not pay the settlement Feldman could take the confession of judgement where he agrees that he will pay that money and present it to court for collection of that payment without going to court to do it. So he just thought he had another easy mark and quick millions.Little did he know that MJ would fight that charge and that Sneddon would have to stop him to prosecute Michael. I think he thought that Sneddon would get a conviction just because he wanted it so bad and a settlement would be guaranteed. He even said in the Grand Jury that all he would have had to do was take this accusation to Michael’s lawyers and they would settle.What he did not tell anyone is that there was a lawsuit ready to be filed and then he found out that he could not threaten Michael with a lawsuit if he did not first turn it over to the DA because of the law that Sneddon had changed.If he had tried to force a payment from Michael for the Arvizo’s he would have been commiting legal extortion.


  23. November 10, 2011 12:15 am

    @ Kurt – Ugh. You stalkers are disgusting. You are doing the same to people that you deride others for doing to Michael. I’m sure you have some twisted logic where you can justify this disturbing behaviour in your own minds but sane people will see it for exactly what it is – obsessive compulsion from people who just can’t let go and get on with their lives. I hope one day you will realise that this is a) totally unacceptable behaviour which has crossed, no, jumped a line; and b) absolutely crazy to be stalking people over a dead pop star’s reputation which he himself ruined.

    As has been pointed out elsewhere, if Michael never did anything wrong, why do you all feel the need to defend him?

    I know this comment won’t be published, will be deleted or will be edited, but the people who need to see it will see it.

    Thanks for continuing to (subconsciously) keep trashing Michael’s image


    The devil is in the details and when you’re dealing with hypocrites it’s important to look closely at the nuances of a situation. Hypocrites always claim that another situation is JUST LIKE a situation that they want to rationalize and defend but if you look closely that is never the case. It’s just another lie.

    I’d like to answer the question: “If Michael never did anything wrong, why do you all feel the need to defend him?”

    Why, wellllllll, because it is natural and predictable that if someone is falsely accused, attacked, bullied, and defamed, those who love and care for that person will rise up to his defense. It is actually unnatural (and reprehensible) that those who claim to love and care for that person would stand by and remain silent. Those doing the attacking want others to stand by and do nothing, of course, so that they continue. So they always claimed that the defense is unwarranted or worst yet, a sign of guilt.

    The idea that the defense of Michael is some how indicative of his guilt is not only ridiculous, it is also a false dilemma. There are obviously other reasons that a person might continuously defend Michael, mainly because he is and has always been innocent. Another reason that pops to mind is because there are certain elements in operation who will not stop attacking and defaming him.

    This post is NOT stalking and harassment of the people it is the subject because they are GUILTY. Guilty people who refuse to take responsibility for their actions will always be held accountable, and will be continually be asked to give account for their actions because they are GUILTY.

    Innocent people who are pursued and bothered for no good reason other than the fact that the people bothering them are hateful, evil bullies do not deserve to be targeted because they have done nothing to be held accountable for.

    So like I said, it’s the nuances that make it different.

    There’s a level of evil in operation amongst these people that is hard to fathom, but I don’t believe that they are “happy” in the real sense. I don’t think happy people operate the way they do and I believe hurting an innocent person cannot bring the inner peace that doing good does.

    Thanks David for the great post.


  24. November 10, 2011 12:39 am

    Uh, Kurt it seems to me that YOU are the stalker. These people love Michael. You don’t. So why the fuck are you even here reading the blog? Stalk, much? & As for defending someone, sooooooo if YOU were accused of something you DIDN’T DO, something so heinous & disgusting then you wouldn’t want your family & friends defending you… even AFTER YOUR DEATH, knowing that you can’t defend yourself. Ok, so when YOU are a accused of pedophilia, 1 of the the worst crime ever, then I know NOT to come to your defense… even tho you did nothing. Fine. I’ll just let you sit there as a marked man for the rest of your natural life. Is that okay with you, sunshine? Because to quote Michael’s sister Janet: “It’s alright with me!”


  25. November 10, 2011 12:41 am


    I know that Diane was trying to do a lot of groundwork on the Klein/Pfeiffer story and by doing so, befriending and publishing Pfeiffer’s allegations as facts and staying on his side. Pfeiffer had also done an interview with Inside Edition that was set to be aired.

    All of this was thrown to the side though because testimony regarding Klein’s treatments was not admissible in court, so the media weren’t interested and Diane’s story about that was no longer considered newsworthy.


  26. November 10, 2011 12:43 am


    I just knew you creeps would find some convoluted way to justify your sick actions. Ugh.


    More of the same MJ fanatic modus operandi which is evident throughout this site- shoot, denigrate, ridicule and attack the messenger rather than listen carefully to what they have to say. 😦


  27. November 10, 2011 12:45 am


    If MJ fans truly believed MJ was innocent, they would just laugh off these accusations and say they are ridiculous. Que?


  28. November 10, 2011 12:45 am

    To these people are settling into a false sense of security… time will move on & these people will forget. & Afterwards, God will have His Way w/ them.


  29. November 10, 2011 12:47 am

    @Kurt: I find it funny that YOU ARE STILL HEAR READING THE POST. What the fuck does THAT say about you?


  30. ares permalink
    November 10, 2011 12:50 am

    Don’t feed the troll. Just delete his or her comments because they don’t offer anything to the depate, they just insult people.


  31. sanemjfan permalink
    November 10, 2011 12:56 am

    @ Ares
    I’ll keep his current comments, just to show readers what type of foolishness we have to deal with, but any further comments by him will be deleted.


  32. November 10, 2011 1:03 am

    The haters are frustrated that the fans continuously do such a good job defending him and debunking the lies that they’ve got nothing left. They really do hope we’d go away. We really upset them. Why should that be if everyone knows MJ is a certain way already?

    I feel like some people are very frustrated their perceptions are no longer considered valid. How sad for them.


  33. JOC permalink
    November 10, 2011 1:14 am

    Great research and a great site. At least someone is trying to tell the truth that Michael Jackson was framed. Keep up the good work!


  34. Hannah permalink
    November 10, 2011 1:21 am

    I never cease to be amazed after reading your articles. AMAZING job!


  35. Anna permalink
    November 10, 2011 1:47 am

    Amazing and disturbing to see how connected they all are!


  36. lynande51 permalink
    November 10, 2011 1:55 am

    And you still have to wonder about Louise Palankers remark to Larry Nimmer about Janet Arvizo still going to the Santa Barabara Sheriffs Department looking for help or handouts.She would know wouldn’t she.
    I wonder what part of paranoid schizophrenic they don’t get?If she looks at the ceiling and talks out loud, that is a problem.If she see things out of the corner of her eyes, that is a problem.If she is seen taking to unseen others, that is a problem. If she has difficulty remembering things unless they are in a certain order, that is a problem.If she throws a fit in the Psychiatrists office to the point of having to be removed, that is a problem.If she says that they were going to have to escape over a 4 foot wooden fence in a hot air balloon, that is a problem.If she suddenly sees conspirators all around her like “the Germans” that is paranoia and IS the problem with paranoid schizophrenia.
    Let me introduce all of you to another Psychiatric phenomenon known as “folie e deux” the folly of two. It is also know as a shared delusion.The shared delusion is the basis that is used to explain a cult mentallity.The family of a paranoid schizophrenic are often vicitms of this phenomenon.It is also where the term drinking the kool aide in reference to Jonestown originated.


  37. November 10, 2011 1:57 am

    Great work, thanks


  38. ultravioletrae permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:03 am

    indeed you are the next sherlock holmes! amazing work, well done. can’t get over the jason pfeiffer/ diane demon connection – mind blowing.


  39. cawobeth permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:06 am

    yes, disturbing but that’s OK, our MJ innocence advocacy family is bigger & much stronger. They’ll get theirs inevitably. Thanks, as always for you investigative research. ♥


  40. cawobeth permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:11 am

    by the way, I love you guys – – –


  41. jillpat permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:19 am

    Your conspiracy theories are laughable, and would provide much mirth but for your sad harassment of people who have moved on and are getting on with their lives. Why not move on and get on with yours? I pity you and everyone here who agrees with your comments. However, do continue with your sick behaviour if you feel you are achieving something – it will only increase the disgust in so-called fans that normal people already feel.


  42. Suzy permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:32 am

    It’s pretty interesting to see how much this article upsets haters. It indeed looks like it hit a nerve. LOL.


  43. November 10, 2011 2:38 am

    Kurt, Jillpat and the like, if you care to answer:

    How is holding people accountable for their wrong doing or expressing outrage at their wrong doing and their lack of accountability for it harassment?

    Of course they’ve gone on with their lives, they are trying to get away with their b.s. — that is what people who want to get away with their wrong doing do.

    Also, can you please explain why you have the right to express your thoughts and feelings about “MJ fans” including faux sympathy and concern but curiously “MJ fans” don’t have the right to express their feelings about people like Evan Arviso, Diane Dimond and the like, and also people like you?

    Why are they sick, and you are not? Is it because you are special?

    Furthermore, why do you view this post an example of a person not being able to “move on” but you do not view your comment, in the same vein, as an example of a person not being able to move on?

    Last but not least why should anyone care that you or anyone like you is disgusted?


  44. November 10, 2011 2:56 am

    Some more connections:

    Stacy Brown and Bob Jones were sources not only for Diane Dimond but also for Maureen Orth

    Maureen Orth was seen at a bar during the 2005 trial talking and laughing about MJ with Diane Dimond:

    Posted 29 January 2005 – 07:25 PM
    MJDancer from the MJJForum said that Dawn Hobbs was hanging with Diane Dimond and Maureen Orth at one of the earlier pre-trial hearings when Orth was making fun of Michael. Hobbs laughed with the group.

    Jim Thomas and Diane were reportedly close during 2005 too


  45. Sue Adams permalink
    November 10, 2011 2:56 am

    I am sure there MUST be other links as well but this is more than horrifying enough for a start and mind boggling too! OMG, how repulsive are these people – the adoration for a horrible little brat who grew up to be an evil bigger brat in Gavin Arviso is nauseating! Makes me wonder with cynicism if the ‘CANCER’ was ever truly there in the first place and that wasn’t part of the exploitation racket as well :-/

    Utterly sickening to find the assocations out and I can’t help feeling Murray IS linked in here somewhere though I do NOT consider him to be a pawn or ‘fall guy’.


  46. November 10, 2011 3:05 am

    As far as I remember Dawn Hobbs was very professional and fair during the trial.


  47. November 10, 2011 3:06 am


    She was, fans were discussing that on KOP in 2005, but I found it interesting to hear that Muareen and Diane socialized together.


  48. nan permalink
    November 10, 2011 3:22 am

    Well , i thought i knew alot of the connections, but I had missed some of these names.
    Thank you for the hard work..
    I have thought all along that Gavin would end up working for the Santa Barbara dist atty office..
    Due to his past who else would hire him..
    And as far as Star Arvisso, since he plans on becoming an C.P, A., I look forward to his future clients learning about his shady past and how he and his family scammed JC Penny as well as MJ and other celebrities..
    I would really be interested to see if Mr and Mrs Zonen would let Star handle their retirement accounts or even their household checkbook.., no matter how much he defends these kids
    Somehow I doubt it…


  49. Tanja permalink
    November 10, 2011 3:32 am

    Wow, I just found this article and it makes me sick to see that all those evil people are connected to each other. When I see their faces I can’t help but asking myself how they can live with the fact, that they have accused an innocent man of such a terrible crime. What I can say is…the mills of god grind slowly…but they grind!


  50. sanemjfan permalink
    November 10, 2011 3:41 am

    @ Rockforeveron

    After reading your comment about additional connections, I realized that the Neverland 5 also gave information to both Maureen Orth and Victor Gutierrez! I added a link to a previous post where I quoted an article from 1997 about their attorney, Michael Ring, who was fined $28,350 for withholding evidence and not disclosing his client’s interviews to “two journalists”. They aren’t named, but who else could they be?


  51. November 10, 2011 3:51 am


    I don’t believe it was Orth. They did an interview with Star magazine and the journalist, I don’t remember his name, testified that he spoke to McManus and she testified she never spoke to him.


  52. November 10, 2011 4:39 am

    Thank you for all the research although none of it is surprising. Birds of a feather really do flocketh together.
    What we are doing is about justice. It’s about right vs. wrong.
    Keep up the good work.


  53. Lulu Pasion permalink
    November 10, 2011 5:00 am

    Good work. Concrete proof of how connected they all were/are! Thank God MJ is beyond all these. The bashing will not stop and there will be those who will be swayed. Thankfully the good MJ did while here will resonate much much louder. No bashing can quiet that down. But those who refuse to believe will still not believe. (Just look at some of those who posted comments here.). Their dis-belief though does not detract an iota from what MJ really was.


  54. November 10, 2011 5:29 am

    This is really sad.
    Too bad no one may never find out the truth, ever.


  55. lynande51 permalink
    November 10, 2011 6:05 am

    @ MJsanctuary.We will just give us time.Some of use were distracted with the trial and the coverage plus the added offense of Murray’s Documentary. When that is completely over we will be back in force to continue our articles on Michael.


  56. David Scott permalink
    November 10, 2011 6:07 am

    I really could care less about a dishonest hack like Diane Dimond, but It’s hard to fathom that anyone from a DA’s office would invite people directly associated with a former prosecution case to his wedding. Does professionalism not come into play anywhere here?

    Regarding Gavin & Star, I am glad to see they have moved on and are in college. Hopefully they can still learn and internalize the values of honesty, self-reflection & forgiveness. Their family history, including the JC Penney case, indicates that they were raised with violence in the family, and to lie at their mother’s bidding. Because of this, they were unable to separate right from wrong by the time they were pressured into going along with the charges. This was the true child abuse. Yes, they were teens, but I don’t think they can be blamed any more than Jordie Chandler. The parents, the lawyers and the psychologist involved in these cases, all bear the responsibility. Those adults, who, motivated by greed, making a name for themselves, and/or their own fears about child sexual abuse, manipulated these kids into lying.

    I wonder who is paying the large portion of the remaining college tuition, after the 50% financial aid and limited student loans? I hope the Arvizo parents, now, actually have jobs, and are not still covering expenses through swindling, welfare fraud, and dishonest lawsuits.


  57. November 10, 2011 6:16 am

    To quote Michael: “Lies run sprints…the TRUTH runs marathons.” Since sprinters run out of breath a lot faster then those running a marathon…and since the medialoids are all a bunch of liars…you all must be EXHAUSTED by now…or is it the MONEY that’s keeping you motivated?…I’m guessing the latter is true.


  58. Kim permalink
    November 10, 2011 6:42 am

    Thank you for sharing this information. Good work!!! You are right, in that, there is no need in contacting them because they will take the truth that MJ never touched them to their grave. Sadly this is true but hopefully one day the truth will come out. Love to you!!


  59. November 10, 2011 6:59 am

    Now I understand what Michael was talking about, these low lives they have no decency, no morals. (son todos unos trolos del orto).
    I don’t know what to say I’m really angry I could say a couple of things to all of them, but it wouldn’t be good.
    Just keep on the good work David and to all of you who are seeking the truth and I hope that these people really pay for what they did and keep doing bastards!!!


  60. November 10, 2011 7:28 am

    Excellent post David. I was just telling someone the other day about Zonen and how I found it very bizarre that the Arvizos were there at his wedding. It is abnormal to me. This group of people are like an incestuous family to me.

    I still sit here asking–did Gavin REALLY have cancer? He goes from supposedly being terminally ill to playing sports, apparently eating well and being totally healthy? Something sounds odd about it. Let’s see if he makes it through law school, too. Maybe he wants to be Sneddon’s protege? Let’s face it–there are a higher than average number of sociopaths that are lawyers. If he makes it, he will fit right in…


  61. MNLady permalink
    November 10, 2011 8:02 am

    All I can say is Poor Michael. We don’t even know the half of what he had to endure.


  62. Tahlia permalink
    November 10, 2011 9:01 am

    I understand your questions about the validity of Gavin’s cancer Gigi, but I personally know someone who almost died from rhabdomyosarcoma at the age of 5. I was good friends with her older sister, and now this girl who was on deaths door is in good health. She is very active and has many athletics trophies, so it’s entirely possible that Gavin was able to recover from deaths door and go on to play sport.


  63. anniedomino permalink
    November 10, 2011 11:43 am

    BTW. I think Orth gets too easy a ride. We are always on Dimond – but Orth is just as bad. Worse. Because she wrote for Vanity Fair – some people actually consider that rag to be a reliable journalistic source. And her remarks after MJ’s death…. That woman is an evil hater – no better than Dimond. I have an article that Orth wrote in VF after the MJ-LMP interview where she interviewed Sneddon and basically accused Mike and Lisa of lying throughout the interview and breaking the terms of the settlement. No wonder Evan thought he had a case in his suit after that interview. His cohorts Sneddon and Orth probably encouraged him. And Orth actually thinks she is a respected “journalist” I guess she missed the class about fact checking and maintaining objectivity. A pox on them all.
    I will agree with the poster who said that Jordy is probably not as bad as Gavin. I think out of all these people Jordy is the only one I would consider to have been a victim to a certain extent – of Evan.That child was clearly abused – by his father. Michael also never seemed to throw much blame at Jordy – Michael seemingly blamed Evan rather than Jordy. I hope that Jordy will one day do the right thing and confess that it was all a lie. Gavin never will. He is a little grifter and liar – just like Mom.
    And one of the “angels” we never really mention is Mary Fischer…How about getting in touch with her?
    And as to this Kurt who is flying under several flags – not surprised. Charles Thomson said that the haters are just as obsessed with MJ as we are and that many of them spend hours trawling the internet to post hateful comments and that they all use multiple usernames. Pathetic. At least our “obsession” is rooted in love and justice – the good stuff.


  64. BlueLotus permalink
    November 10, 2011 11:44 am

    After thinking a lot about these disturbing facts…I realized it should not be a surprise that all these “evil” people are one BIG family, after all..”Birds of a feather flock together”!

    Evil keeps the company of Evil.

    Only worry is, “Will this evil flock bring more trouble in the future?”


  65. Yana permalink
    November 10, 2011 11:58 am

    Hey Sherlock! I think you did an amazing job with your research! Thank you so much. Love it!


  66. Suzy permalink
    November 10, 2011 12:00 pm

    @ Anniedomino

    “And one of the “angels” we never really mention is Mary Fischer…How about getting in touch with her?”

    I wholeheartedly agree. To me Mary Fischer’s 1994 GQ article is one of the greatest pieces of investigative journalism. 11 years on, at the 2005 trial, 99% of what she wrote about in 1994 have been proven to be spot on! The only thing, I think, she got possibly wrong is maybe the Sodium Amytal thing – of which I’m still not convinced it was really used. But you can’t blame her, that info was leaked to the media by the Chandlers, so she might have thought why would they incriminate themselves with such info if it’s not true. Well, perhaps to make Jordan’s testimony inadmissible to court because they didn’t want to go to court? I don’t know. Of course, it could be that the SA stuff is correct and I am wrong about it, then Fischer’s article was 100% spot on!

    I wish she would do another piece on the Victor Gutierrez connection. Surely it would be interesting to see how far she could get with that… Or at least it would be interesting to hear her opinion about it.

    She’s got a website. Here:


  67. sanemjfan permalink
    November 10, 2011 1:38 pm

    Trust me, Orth doesn’t get an easy ride on this blog! LOL! In fact, in my new post which will be published next week, I will bash Orth for her recent statements on MJ in the last few years since his death. Stay tuned!

    I will also fact check all 5 of her Vanity Fair hit pieces next year! I have had to put it on the backburner for a long time because other more important topics have taken up my time, and most of what she said in those articles have been refuted in other posts. (For example, Jordan giving a matching description, and the 93 settlement being “hush money”.)

    I don’t think that Mary Fischer wants to talk about her GQ article ever again. The last on the record interview that she gave on MJ was in November 2003, shortly after he was arrested again. She didn’t do any interviews when he was acquitted, when he died, or on the anniversary of his death, so that tells me that she’s probably done talking about MJ. 😦

    Here is the audio of that November 2003 interview, where she defends her GQ article:


  68. November 10, 2011 2:19 pm

    i feel really upset at how these people are carrying on and have carried on… i hate the media fullstop… thanks for detective work!!


  69. Susanne permalink
    November 10, 2011 3:49 pm

    It’s interesting how haters get aggressive when they and the likes of them are radically exposed to truth and facts. It’s an old story that people who fight for truth and justice are getting attacked all along. There are many examples. Jesus was also attacked by evil forces, the more good he did and the more he spoke the truth to the hipocrites. These haters just don’t get that this is not about worshipping or idolizing Michael, but about truth and justice and uncover backgrounds.
    Keep it up, David!


  70. November 10, 2011 3:59 pm

    Thank you so much for this fantastic research! It sickens me to see these connections and photos. Especially the post by ‘David Arvizo’ accusing MJ for snorting cocaine and doing other things makes me sick to my stomach. Why can’t they just come forward and admit to their lies?


  71. November 10, 2011 5:21 pm

    @Suzy said: “It’s pretty interesting to see how much this article upsets haters. It indeed looks like it hit a nerve. LOL.”
    Totally agree, This occurs when someone totally abducted by a non-fact-based theory comes face to face with a fact that debunks that theory … frustration .. and what is the negative expression of frustration?: Aggressiveness. They are in denial phase, yet, but..

    The positive development of such “trauma” passes through these phases, IMO :
    – The silence
    – Introspection
    – The search for other arguments
    – Acceptance of the error
    – The defense of the truth

    There are lot of people that have passed through it thanks to sites like this…No one said that educating and to be educated has to be easy 😉


  72. November 10, 2011 5:46 pm

    It is totally amazing how haters who do not know a thing about Michael like saying that “it is their opinion” that he was a ch.m.

    Now a former MTV editor is playing this hateful tune. These were the kind of people who surrounded Michael all his life:

    Here is my short comment on it (please leave yours if you feel like it):

    “How very typical of Michael’s detractors – they don’t know a thing about what they are saying but claim that “there is no denying it”. No, dear, there is a lot to deny it. Even Michael’s last word to us – when he was falling asleep and criminal doctor Murray was taping him – was about a dream to help sick children and build a hospital for them. Michael’s words were coming from the very deep of his subconscious mind over which he had no control – and what was he speaking of while falling asleep? He spoke of GOD, of children being ANGELS and of his dream to GIVE AWAY all his money to them:

    “I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Going to have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. The – in those hospital, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it.
    I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal the World, We are the World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt”.

    I truly believe that Michael’s words said in a state when he had no control over his mind are the best evidence of his innocence. People are unable to lie in situations like that. And Michael spoke not only about his wish to help children and spend his money on the hospital – he also spoke about GOD.


  73. nan permalink
    November 10, 2011 6:03 pm

    Regarding Gavin’s illness, …I had asked Randy T if the prosecutors ever had his doctor come in and testify because I thought for sure they would have thought it the nail in MJ coffin to have his doctor come in an talk about how devastating it would be to Gavins health and his one kidney to have MJ giving him alcohol..
    His answer was “No hmmmmm”
    I feel it must have come up as they were using anything and everything they could ,
    I am pretty sure I remember reading that after his first chemo treatment , the doctors had said he would have to go through a lot but that he would survive.
    I think that that was the case ..if they brought his doctor in and he said that….then it would be obvious that this family was saying he was on deaths door to rope people in.
    The daughter was on Bashirs thing , I think saying the doctors had told his parents to prepare for his funeral…and I think the mother just said that for effect..
    There was supposedly something where Gavin had overheard the doctors saying this to his parents because they thought he was asleep..
    I have been in situations where the doctor is giving you grim news regarding a hospitalized patient and they never did it in the same room as the patient .
    They brought us in a private waiting room while I think the child was very sick, I think the prognosis was better then they led people to believe..
    As far a Jordan Chandler and the drug his father supposedly gave him..
    I think it is the same as with Gavin who had already said MJ had never done anything inappropriate and they needed a way out of that statement,
    I think that they inadvertently gave the wrong kind of drug name .the one that can induce false memories instead of truth type serum.
    When you read Jordans interview with Dr Abrams, it is clear to me , that he is in on this thing ..Just the way he ducks questions and cant answer anything out of order.
    Afraid of cross examination etc..
    There is a reason they wanted to tie this Doctor up on the their side , so MJ people couldnt use him, and in turn got to this puppet Stanley Katz. imo.


  74. anniedomino permalink
    November 10, 2011 6:45 pm

    Just an idea for an article…Does anyone else think there is a hypocrisy in the way this Penn state issue has been reported and handled versus the accusation against Michael? Firstly – I want to say that that man is innocent until proven guilty. I don’t want to do to him what has been done to Michael. But I read on the Huffington Post today that someone on the coaching staff actually saw this man anally raping a young boy in the shower. And did nothing to stop it. And what I gather from what I am reading and hearing is that several people knew about this and did not report it to the police! And this morning I see on Fox this old man coach who is retiring being cheered by hundreds of people? Huh? I find it shocking that several people failed to protect these children and people seem to think they deserve cheers? Why are these people not vilified like the alleged perpetrator? What is alleged here is terrible! And they get a pass? I know they have been charged with various crimes, but where is the outrage?
    I am not in any way suggesting that people should form a lynch mob. Let the case go through the court system and let the blame be apportioned. But I want to see the same level of hating and vilification or I am going to conclude that there is some kind of – racist?? – double standard.


  75. Suzy permalink
    November 10, 2011 8:25 pm

    @ David

    That link to the Mary Fischer interview doesn’t work.

    Are we sure she doesn’t want to talk about MJ or just noone asked her? We all know the media, how they didn’t like to give room to pro-MJ opinions too much, so maybe she just wasn’t invited to talk anywhere. They were busy engaging people like Dimond and Orth. Fischer has too much integrity and is too professional compared to the kind of journalists the media likes…

    Actually it would interest me how that GQ article affected her career. I know she won a prize for it, but otherwise she didn’t seem to be invited to panels and so on – you know like you see those anti-MJ journalists on TV all the time. It seems like defending MJ won’t help you make a career. Of course it’s possible that it was her choice not to become too focused on and be associated with this one subject, not to build a career on MJ (unlike those hater journalists).


  76. Kimberly Owens permalink
    November 10, 2011 9:03 pm

    Thank you for this research.


  77. November 10, 2011 9:04 pm

    Thank you for the research and work on this.


  78. November 10, 2011 9:10 pm

    Someone shoud inform that poor former MTV editor that tabloids are not a reliable source


  79. November 10, 2011 9:22 pm

    Carrie Fisher’s interview

    On being a patient of the dentist who sued Michael Jackson:

    “Remember that dentist who sued Michael for molesting his kid? Yes, that was my dentist. Evan Chandler, D.D.S. Dentist to the Stars. And this same Dr. Chandler — long before the lawsuit was brought (though not necessarily before it was contemplated) — needed someone to brag to about his son’s burgeoning friendship with Michael Jackson. (This was years before Michael had children of his own.) And so my ‘dentist’ would go on and on about how much his son liked Michael Jackson and, more important, how much Michael Jackson liked his son. And the most disturbing thing I remember him saying was, ‘You know, my son is very good looking.’

    “So here was Dr. Chandler telling me how Michael was buying his kid computers and taking him to incredible places and sleeping in the same bed and getting him … WAIT! ‘Hang on,’ I said. ‘I have to interrupt here. Let’s just go back a tic, okay?’ ‘Sure,’ Chandler said. ‘ They’re sleeping in the same bed?!’ He blinked. ‘Well, yeah, but my ex-wife is always there, so it’s okay and his stepfather and … and … and …’

    “Then one night some months later, Dr. Chandler came up to my house again and told me that he and his wife were going to sue Michael. ‘Why?’ I asked. ‘Because,’ he explained rationally, ‘Michael is sleeping in the same bed with my boy.'”

    “The thing is, though, I never thought that Michael’s whole thing with kids was sexual. Never. Granted, it was miles from appropriate, but just because it wasn’t normal doesn’t mean that it had to be perverse.” (Dr. Evan Chandler committed suicide in 2009.)


  80. Suzy permalink
    November 10, 2011 9:38 pm

    @ Thetis7

    Here is it from Carrie Fisher’s book:

    What is not in the article, but she also writes:

    “Now, what father talks about his child that way? Maybe some do but a) I don’t know them, and b) they probably aren’t raising an eyebrow and looking suggestive when they say it. It was grotesque.”


  81. November 10, 2011 10:13 pm

    Shouting out a big thanks for the research. To the true Michael Fans: We must do whatever we can to uphold MJ’s legacy. To the haters: rot in your hate. To the so called journalists that made their career on lies and the smearing of Michael, you can run, but u cant hide there is always a payday usually pretty unpleasant for liars. Cant wait for you to exposed for the disgusting pieces of crap that you enjoy being.


  82. terrie permalink
    November 10, 2011 11:52 pm

    KURT, people need to DEFEND a man who is innocent. Why do you have a problem with people defending MJ? Do you want people to spead lies and MJ and people who know the fact to sit back and say nothing? Sorry but that wont happen.


  83. terrie permalink
    November 10, 2011 11:55 pm

    Someone needs to go after Kurt Loder. He is spreading untruths about MJ. Kurt Loder of MTV has never liked MJ because MJ broke the racist barrier on MTV and out did Madonna whom KUrt Loder can eat Madonna’s @$$


  84. sanemjfan permalink
    November 11, 2011 12:08 am

    @ Suzy
    Unfortunately that link to the Mary Fischer audio doesn’t work anymore, but I’ll try to see if anyone else has that audio. In the meantime, here is the transcript:

    Greta: Tonight, Michael Jackson’s lawyer vows his client won’t be a pinata for financial motives. Is that what happened in 1993. Mary Fisher investigated the 1993 accusations for GQ magazine and joins us from Los Angeles with more. Mary, first the question, do you think he was framed in 93, and if so, the follow up question, is why you think that?

    Mary Fisher: I definately think he was the target of a plan to extract money from him. And I base that on a five month investigation that I did for GQ…that looked at the accusers, the adults that were surrounding the boy who made the accusation. And I looked at who they were as people and to look at their motivations. And what I came up with was that three of them had questionable backgrounds and also the boy had been giving a powerful, psychiatric drug, before he ever made any allegations against Jackson. And, uh, there was alot of evidence that had not come out before that strongly suggest that Jackson was the target of extortion.

    Greta: Mary was there any evidence at all that other than the boy and his family had ever seen anything to suggest a criminal activity about Michael Jackson. If you strip away the accusations from the one family settled civily. Is there anyone else that back them up?

    Mary Fisher: There was no other corroborating evidence as there often is in these cases of alleged child molestation. It’s easy for someone to make an accusation, but it’s very hard to defend against it. And that’s because often there is no other evidence. There’s the say so of the child surround by adults who encourage the child to, uh, to make these statements for their own motivations and there is no other evidence. That was the case in 93, and so far that seems to be the case now.

    Greta: In the 93 case, did the family first go to a lawyer for civil damages for money before they went to the prosecuter?

    Mary Fisher: That’s exactly right. The interesting thing is if the parents of the first boy had genuinely believed that there son had been sexually molested by Jackson. You would think that the first thing they would think to do is go to the police, but they didn’t do that. They went to an attorney, and the attorney then helpled them with some sort of plan to extract money from Jackson. And then they brought in a psychiatrist, who by the way had no experience with children and met with the boy several times, and it was only after that and being given the drug, that the boy then said yes Jackson did inappropriate things to me.

    Greta: In terms of the drug, do you know what the drug was?

    Mary Fisher: Yes, it’s sodium ametal (sp?) and it’s a powerful psychiatric drug when under the influence, a person is highly suggestible. And that drug was given to the boy by the father of the boy and the father’s friend who was a dental anesthesiologist , and the anesthesiologist gave the boy the drug in the dentist office.

    Greta: Was there any accusation by the boy before this drug that Michael Jackson had been inappropriate with him?

    Mary Fisher: No. In fact he had been asked several times if anything inappropriate happened and he would always said no, and then again this is what happens in some of these cases and incidents, that a series of adults, whether it is police, the parents, psychiatrists surround the child and the child becomes influenced by these adults and often they are false accusations that come out of this.

    Greta: Alright this family, the mother and father not married, right? That adds the results to that element to it that the family was falling apart.

    Mary Fisher: Exactly right. In the first case, the parents were involved in a bitter custody and divorce battle. The what also happened is that Jackson had befriended the father and the boy and got busy and moved on and the father was disgruntled by the fact that Jackson was no longer as close to him as he once been. That seems to be a parallel in this frequent, in this new case. Uhm, and in this new case that fact that parents did not take the boy or call the police, but they took him to a lawyer(s), civil lawyer.

    Greta: And the lawyer, is there any parody or similarities. Are there any lawyers from the 93 case hovering around this new case?

    Mary Fisher: Well, the lawyer, the civil lawyer from the boy in the first case is also the attorney who the parents, uh, the mother of this current boy took him too. That’s whats in common.

    Greta: Aright, and what has happened to the family. Any quick update where, he’s now a young man, was a boy back then in 93. What’s he up to?

    Mary Fisher: You know, I haven’t really kept on top of it. I understand he’s living in the east coast. I guess he’s 22 years old in college but I don’t know where. And to me there is so many similarities with the old case and this current case that it is really important to reserve judgement before anyone comes to a conclusion about guilt or innocence here.

    Greta: Alright, Mary, thank you very much for joining us

    Mary Fisher: You’re welcome. Thank you.


  85. sanemjfan permalink
    November 11, 2011 12:19 am

    Great news guys! As I predicted, we absolutely SHATTERED the record for most hits in one day! Yesterday, we had 2,899 hits! This post alone received 1,254 hits! Just a few days ago, our Guilty Verdict post had a then record of 2,214 hits.

    The timing of these records couldn’t be more propitious! Anyone who knows me personally knows that I got into a heated spat on a certain thread on FB, and in a sleazy attempt to discredit me, some so-called fan told me that she had seen this blog “a few times” but that she felt that it “wasn’t very relevant”. She told me this all because I had the audacity to disagree with her on something regarding MJ!

    I’m sure the 2,899 people who came here yesterday would all respectfully disagree with her on that! If I was a jerk, I would name this person publicly, but I’m above that, and I have more important things to do right now……………….such as finishing up my next post that will be up this weekend! It’s called “How To Recognize And Refute The Fallacies Used By Michael Jackson Haters”, so stay tuned!


  86. Chocha permalink
    November 11, 2011 2:28 am

    Hahaha this one is very funni, I has seens a figures for site with real Mj facts and that site has 10x number of visitor. This very funni!!!


  87. November 11, 2011 3:52 am

    A big happy family whose well of inspiration is Victor Guitirrez and whose wealth and daily bread is secured by the Michael Jackson bashing media.They have just about discovered the perpetum mobile.
    This is not the first of mass phenomena in history.Each has the flavor of the culture in which it blossoms.A cult as Lynande51 called it.
    Thank God there are always a few who can see the truth.And in the end they win.


  88. November 11, 2011 4:12 am

    All truth passes through 3 stages; First it is ridiculed,second it is violently opposed,third it is accepted as self evident.


  89. November 11, 2011 4:16 am

    The quote below was by Arthur Schopenhaur 1788-1860.
    Another philosopher, Socrates was forced to drink hemlock.
    Michael was infused with over 2000 mgs of propofol.


  90. stacy2 permalink
    November 11, 2011 5:43 am


    I think that’s indeed true..I heard the same thing from a reliable source, that Gavin had already had 2 treatments and was told by his doctor that he was going to beat the cancer but had to finish the treatments. So this family KNEW he wasnt dying, but continued to tell people otherwise so that they could gain their sympathy and swindle money from them..How sickening.


  91. November 11, 2011 7:12 am

    @sanemjfan -“my next post that will be up this weekend! It’s called “How To Recognize And Refute The Fallacies Used By Michael Jackson Haters”, so stay tuned!”

    That should be a very interesting post. Most of the arguments that haters use if not all of them are fallacies. But how do you refute a fallacy (fake argument)? In order to refute an argument you’ve got to understand it,and fallacies don’t make logical sense! So I’m very excited to read what you’ve come up with!


  92. Suzy permalink
    November 11, 2011 8:19 am

    @ David

    Thanks for the transcript!


  93. anniedomino permalink
    November 11, 2011 6:20 pm

    Well done on the 2899 hits. Great news. The more people who are open to learning the truth – the better for us, Michael and indeed the larger community. I know that sounds a bit grandiose – but Michael is a symptom of a larger problem. People today are way to gullible and trusting of a media that has lost all sense of professional ethics.
    It is my firm belief that reasonably intelligent people with an open, unprejudiced minds, armed with real facts will always “vindicate MJ”.
    If I can mention Ian Halperin. Even that idiot said in the forward of his book that when he investigated the cm accusations against Mike he realised that those claims were bogus. On the other side of the scale we have people like Michael McParland – the barrister who did the legal commentary for SKY news. Mr. McParland is clearly a highly intelligent, logical man . This wonderful person – who looks as if he would not know Billie-Jean from Morphine LOL – was absolutely an advocate for Michael and justice during CM’s trial. Not because he is a fan, but because he is a good lawyer who knows the truth when he hears it. McParland also went as far as to say that Michael was NOT an addict.


  94. sanemjfan permalink
    November 11, 2011 9:06 pm

    @ ameera
    I know it sounds weird, trying to refute a fallacy that is utterly baseless from its inception, but once you see how I put the post together, and the numerous examples that I used, it’ll all make sense! It’ll be worth the wait!


  95. lynande51 permalink
    November 11, 2011 10:37 pm

    In this post is also an underlying truth that no one has spoken about. It is this: Why are these people still together after all these years? The 2003-2005 case was over on June 13th 2005 when Michael was acquitted. There were 14 not guilty verdicts one for every charge plus the 4 lesser charges involving alcohol to a minor.
    And yet here we are exactly 6 years 4 months and 28 days later and we see that these people are not only in contact with the accusers but each other to the point where they actually have reunions. Has there ever in judicial history been a case where vehemently pro prosecution journalists, a prosecutor, a witness and the accusers are still getting together to chat with each other. Doesn’t it occur to anyone else that this is what is bizarre behavior, not the behavior of the accused, but the behavior of these people?
    Why hasn’t one other single media source ever questioned whether Diane Dimond was too heavily invested in the outcome of that case when they see this and that investment may color her objectivity or veracity for the truth? There are still shows out there that give her airtime and this should stop. She is clearly not objective when you see this and you have to ask how deep does that investment go. What does she owe these people or what do they owe her?
    The better part of that is Stacy Brown. He says he is a reporter or a journalist yet his interest in the case was to write a book with a man that basically took everything back when he was on the witness stand. Why does that happen? Because it is tough for a witness to know exactly what evidence the defense has to impeach your testimony under cross examination that’s why. Bob Jones also took credit in an article in the Irish Times just before he died where he said point blank that he was the creator of the anti image of Michael stating “I saw him as a mad genius”. The worst part about Stacy Brown is that some members of the Jackson family are still on speaking terms with him. Is she aware that Stacy Brown still goes and spends time with these people?
    Why is it that no one asks these simple questions? This is not a normal post trial loser side type of behavior that is for certain.They do get that don’t they that it was their side that lost the case or do they know something that the rest of the world doesn’t?That even though the case is over they are still out there trying to win it over and over again everytime that their pet journalists writes a hate piece about Michael Jackson.I guarantee that we won’t see the defense side of the Conrad Murray trial doing this in 6 years.But then maybe if they do we will also see the conspirators in that case as well.The way I see it we will have to continue to write our articles until they stop writing theirs because we will have won the competition and this is a competition it is a fight for what is right, good and honest.


  96. Eve permalink
    November 12, 2011 2:00 am

    Superjob done!
    Isn’t that scary in refer to all this?


  97. November 12, 2011 3:47 am

    Why hasn’t one other single media source ever questioned whether Diane Dimond was too heavily invested in the outcome of that case when they see this and that investment may color her objectivity or veracity for the truth?

    It’s reported her book deal about Michael was obtained around January 2005, months before the trial had even started/finished.

    The same as Stacy Brown and Bob Jones, Stacy of whom went online to a major forum and spilled “tea” about MJ during jury deliberations (alleging he didn’t have vitiligo, that Macaulay was rumoured to be the father of Mike’s kids, that Rebbie was always the most talented sibling….).

    They all had a vested interest in the outcome of the case.

    Why is it that no one asks these simple questions?

    TMZ and other news sites refused to report on Evan Chandler’s suicide or Evan Chandler attempting to kill Jordan. Harvey also refused to post pictures of Prince’s vitiligo, even though they will post news stories about lingerie companies seeking out Paris.

    You see people here obviously very upset at all these things being exposed, I expect the media is the exact same way.


  98. sanemjfan permalink
    November 12, 2011 4:53 am

    Has anyone tweeted this post to any of MJ’s family (Jermaine, Latoya, or 3T, etc.) or friends (Karen Faye, Frank Casio, Teddy Riley, etc.) on Twitter? If so, what were their responses?


  99. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 8:00 pm

    Gavin has a job to do. Not free from this ever until he tells the truth. Michael dedicated his life for children. Helping children was his main goal. Michael was a great courage to the end. Even when he was under the influence of the drug, he said to build a hospital for children. Gavin said the truth can help other children. He knows why?.


  100. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 8:07 pm

    All the forces of evil were sent against MJ.


  101. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 9:13 pm

    Grammatical errors due to insufficient knowledge of the language. People like Dimond, Orth, Sneddon, Grace and many more are known to fans worldwide. The other side, wonderful man – Tom Mesereau.


  102. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 9:15 pm

    Grammatical errors due to insufficient knowledge of the language. People like Dimond, Orth, Sneddon, Grace and many more are known to fans worldwide.


  103. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 9:15 pm

    Grammatical errors due to insufficient knowledge of the language.


  104. Maria permalink
    November 12, 2011 9:44 pm

    Michael loved children. Michael helped children. What got in return?. Why?. It’s a question for those who persecute Michael.


  105. Jan permalink
    November 13, 2011 11:59 pm

    this is disgusting:

    the daily mail are listening to diane dimond now, we have had nancy grace in there lately aswell i bet they don’t print my comment regarding diane dimond. We don’t want her infecting the UK:


  106. November 14, 2011 6:23 pm

    The whole thing is so disgusting. I still believe what Gavin reportedly admitted to his ex-girlfriend, which was that MJ never touched him, but having been so thoroughly branwashed by this “big, happy family” he is a part of, he’s convinced he did his part to try to stop a “dangerous” man who had “probably” molested others. This is where I really think his mindset is now. Perhaps these kids finally found the “family” they were hoping to have with Michael-at Michael’s expense, of course. I still go back to what Aphrodite Jones told me in our interview, which was that Michael didn’t have any intention of being this family’s “sugar daddy.” So they found their sugar elsewhere, and sought revenge on the man who was no longer giving them hand outs and free room and board. Since you have given me permission, I will run this on Allforloveblog as well (may have to do it in 2 parts). I will probably post it later this week after I get some more loose ends regarding Murray and the trial wrapped up.


  107. lynande51 permalink
    November 14, 2011 8:42 pm

    You know what I have noticed is the $20K dollars that Louise Palanker gave the Arvizo’s no one really knows what happened to it.They didn’t use it on the contruction of the clean room.They bought a few expensive electronics like a big screen TV but they never paid the construction bill or the hospital bill with that money.This happened before they met Michael quite a bit before they met Michael because David Arvizo was still in the picture.Why is it so hard for people to see that “contribution” as a down payment for a scam on Michael?


  108. Maria permalink
    November 14, 2011 9:49 pm

    How to fight against evil?. Only the truth, no anger, hatred. Michael was not looking for revenge. Never. The army of love (the fans) must defeat evil only good. Articles in Vanity Fair, Orth are shocking. If it would not be terrible might even be funny, because it is so absurd. Unfortunately, such absurdities of various journalists led to the great wave of hatred. Journalists lost mind, it was a sick hatred. How do I overcome this?. How to defeat such media?. We need to wisely lead to the restoration of the truth. Sorry for the previous doubles, unintentionally.


  109. November 16, 2011 10:08 pm

    “Looking forward to this website’s dogged defence of another innocent man who loved children (with NO sexual interest in them, oh no!) and spent quality time with boys and never molested them – Jerry Sandusky.”
    Mesopotamia x

    @Mesopotamia, from the information you provided about yourself you are coming from the haters’ site we are well acquainted with.

    Besides the site you also gave your email as “” – which is a clear insult to lynande with a political connotation to it (as “ru” stands for Russian sites). Lynette is from the USA (and it is me who is from Russia).

    I was about to ban you for showing total disrespect to one of our authors – however when I turned to your IP address to put it into the “blocked” list another surprise was awaiting me – your IP address is coming from Moscow, Russia and is pointing to a place where my IP address is also pointing to!

    YOU ARE NOT ME – this I can say for sure.

    Therefore the conclusion I am making is that you are having a technical possibility to somehow insert a false IP address into the information you provide about yourself in this blog.

    And you are not using just anyone’s IP address – you are using an address which is very close to mine.

    The last time the haters from your blog did something similar was to Charles Thomson in whose name haters were writing emails to Michael’s fans. When Charles Thomson complained to the hosting site they closed your blog and you had to move elsewhere (blaming Michael’s fans for these developments).

    So now you are employing a similar kind of method and are placing hateful comments from practically my IP address? As if it is me who is writing all that?

    What else are you doing behind my back?

    P.S. Giving you the benefit of the doubt I admit that there is a slight chance you may be writing from the place close to mine.
    But your manipulations with Lynande’s name are still unforgivable.
    You’ve been blocked.


  110. November 16, 2011 11:56 pm

    It has crossed my mind that Sneddon,Zonen,Palanker & others took the
    Arvizio kids inder their wings as some sort of preventive damage contol.
    Their history is so awful that without some restraints you could expect anything from them.


  111. November 17, 2011 12:05 am

    Thanks to Michael, Jordan is today a multimillionaire, and Gavin on his way to a lawdegree.


  112. November 17, 2011 4:41 am

    This is just simply disgusting!


  113. November 19, 2011 8:59 am

    Arvizos ARE disgusting. But what does that make Zonen, Dimond, Palanker etc? They were so desperate to get ‘something’ on Michael that they used a family of fraudsters. They probably can’t stand each other but they have to keep up the pretence in order to maintain the deception. Because what if someone should talk? – that would be a disaster for all of them. Charges were stacked and manufactured out of lies and thin air and they all know it. It is impossible to believe otherwise. Even if one of the Arvizo kids even had the thought they might like to become a ‘good’ person and come clean, they wouldn’t have the courage it would take because they are stuck fast to the lies they created and the people who knowingly supported their lies are there to make sure they don’t breathe a word.

    But there’s something very odd about Stacy Brown’s involvement in all of this. He seems the odd man out, even though he is also trapped. He’s like the square peg in a round hole. The others are see-through but Brown…? Why and how did he become a part of this?


  114. November 19, 2011 5:34 pm

    I think Brown probably knew Dimond because he is a journalist, it’s probably how he became part of that.


  115. sanemjfan permalink
    November 19, 2011 5:47 pm

    @ BG

    Here is an email that Brown purportedly sent to Muzik about his relationship with the Jackson family, and the truth about his book with Jermaine.


  116. November 19, 2011 8:54 pm

    On twitter he said the false book proposal was not made by him by=ut by Jermaine’s ex girlfriend. He also said that the only think which matters regarding the Bob Jones book is he got lots of money for it.


  117. Teva permalink
    November 20, 2011 2:58 am

    My take on the Arvixo brothers, Palanker, Zonen, Dimond etc is that it is situational relationships, they all came together out of a desire to take Michael Jackson down and became friends/lovers/co-conspirators.

    It goes without saying here that the Arvizo brothers are liars, but why are they keeping up the facade? I believe they justify it because they believe MJ m*lested somebody(ies), so they really were helping to bring about justice. Zonen & Sneddon would have talked to them and told them Michael did this to other boys, you are being brave putting a child m*lester off the street. Even though their case was bogus they believe they were working for a greater cause. ….and because of the company they keep that attitude is reinforced. Maybe had the brothers been separated from the gang of haters things might have been different.


  118. lynande51 permalink
    November 20, 2011 7:26 am

    @ Yvonne you were advised that the content of your comment was against the blog rules.Following your next insulting comment your comments will be deleted.They have no value and do not futher conversation.It would be different if I thought you could actually read that fast to make a comment with substance.


  119. November 20, 2011 8:31 am

    @ sanemjfan Thanks for link. I hadn’t read the email but I’d read two other posts on that site where Brown was responding to questions about the earlier JJ book and I think that’s what your link was for. The contradictory statements about the book were one thing, but Brown mentioned the 2005 trial and said he approached Sneddon and Robel and “put himself on the line and offered up himself” for someone else who had been threatened with a subpoena by police. That raises more than a few questions. First, the police tactics in that case and the “threat” of a subpoena. Why the need to threaten a subpoena? Why not just issue the subpoena? Second, how can someone can offer themselves up so that someone else doesn’t get subpoenaed? Third, why was that acceptable?

    What value was Brown that the prosecution would accept Brown’s “offer” to insert himself into the trial in place of someone else? Why was Brown more important to them than this “other unnamed person”? During the trial Tom Mesereau questioned Brown about the origins of the book:

    Q: Obviously at some point you met with Bob Jones about writing a book, correct?

    A. That’s correct.

    Q. And where did you meet with him?

    A. Well, as I said earlier, he first approached me here at the court, back during the arraignment. (The arraignment took place in January, 2004.)

    Q. And did he tell you then he wanted to write something?

    A. That’s correct.

    Q. And that’s before he —

    A. That’s before his termination. (Jones’ termination was in June 2004.)

    Q. Okay. And how long before his termination was that, do you think?

    A. Well, it was January, so — the termination was in June. So four, five months.

    Q. And did he tell you he was doing it secretly?

    A. Well, he didn’t say secretly, but he said — obviously any process with a book, you don’t want everyone to know this is what you are doing.I did, however, myself, tell members of the family, to get their thoughts on it, because that was my concern, what their thoughts may be with me doing a book with Bob Jones with — chiefly it had to be about Michael Jackson.

    Q. Okay. Now, did Mr. Jones tell you he was talking to anyone from the sheriff’s department?

    A. Not at that time, no.

    Q. When did you first learn that he had spoken to anyone from the sheriff’s department?

    A. I believe they first contacted him in December of last year.

    What were the prosecution hoping for in using Brown? And why is Brown “friendly” with the likes of Zonen et al? Was it all about the book Brown was ghostwriting for Jones and his ability to write bs and so provide a background of lies to support the bogus charges against Michael? The book still hadn’t been published at the time of the trial but Jones responded to questions during testimony about his book:

    “Maybe one of the suggested titles was that other I did not approve of.”


    “It’s (factual) to a degree because I — my co-writer also has included things that I didn’t appove of.”


    “My — my co-writer is handling that, and I’ve tried to change certain things in the way things were said on numerous occasions with him.”


    “Oh, I’ve changed millions of things that were inaccurate that I didn’t say.”

    Does it still make you wonder about the value of Brown to the prosecution?


  120. MNLady permalink
    November 26, 2011 4:51 am

    This is just revolting. Why can’t SOMETHING be done to prosecute these people?


  121. November 28, 2011 12:31 am

    David, in addition to the Veritas Project chart you provided at the end of the post let me also post the comment the Veritas Project makes on it.

    It is important as very few people know, for example, that Ray Chandler went to law school after the 1993 case and it was exactly that law school where Tom Sneddon taught law!

    Veritas Project about Ray Chandler:

    “One could wonder how Ray Chandler, a lawyer since 2001, could commit such an act of fraud in a book not even worth the paper it is written on. However, considering that Chandler got his “law” degree from the very college where Tom Sneddon “teaches” law students every unethical thing he knows, one has to assume that Chandler took notes well from his master.”

    Veritas Project on The Main Players in the Michael Jackson Case (January, 2005)
    (they refer to Gavin Arvizo as John, so I’ve changed that)

    Sneddon and the Chandlers
    (1) District Attorney Tom Sneddon, who attempted to bring charges against Michael Jackson in 1993 and who is now prosecuting the current case against Jackson, is on the faculty at the Santa Barbara College of Law.

    Ray Chandler, (2-3) the uncle of the boy who accused Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993, studied law at the Santa Barbara College of Law and is currently a real estate lawyer.

    (4) Dave Schwartz, the stepfather of Jackson’s first accuser, is the founder of Rent-a-Wreck, a car rental agency that is represented by the public relations firm Tellem. After Jackson was arrested in 2003, Tellem offered Tom Sneddon their services – for free.

    The Chandlers’ Former Attorneys and their Ability to Find “Victims”

    (5) Civil lawyer Larry Feldman represented Jordan Chandler, the boy who accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993.

    (6) Feldman sent Jordan Chandler to see psychiatrist Stan Katz for an evaluation.

    (7) In 1993, Jackson’s former maid Blanca Francia was deposed by civil lawyer Larry Feldman for the Chandlers’ lawsuit. In the deposition, Francia claimed to have seen Jackson act inappropriately with other children, including her own son. She later recanted these statements but members of the District Attorney’s office often refer to Francia’s son as an alleged victim of Jackson’s.

    (8) After getting in contact with Larry Feldman, Gavin Arvizo accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse; the boy was then sent to see Dr. Katz

    (9). Note that less than four months earlier Gavin Arvizo and his family had vehemently defended Jackson on numerous occasions. Feldman is not the only former attorney for the Chandlers who can’t seem to stay away from the Jackson case.

    (10) The Chandlers’ first attorney Gloria Allred has also made it her life mission to seek out other accusers. We’re sure her efforts are solely motivated by justice and have nothing to do with the cut of the settlement that she would inevitably receive if one of her clients were to successfully sue Jackson.

    (11) In February 2003, after seeing a documentary that put a sinister spin on Jackson’s relationship with Gavin Arvizo, Gloria Allred contacted Tom Sneddon and demanded that he investigate Jackson. At the same time, “media psychiatrist” Carole Lieberman also filed a complaint against Jackson. Sneddon responded to Allred and Lieberman’s complaints by stating that although he would take the matter seriously, he could not reopen the Jackson case without a cooperative victim. Months later, Gavin Arvizo told Larry Feldman that Michael Jackson sexually abused him. Once again, Allred missed out on the opportunity to represent a Jackson accuser. As for Lieberman, she made sure to advertise on her website that she was the first psychiatrist to demand that Jackson be investigated.

    (12) Not to be one upped by Feldman and Katz, Allred and Lieberman teamed up on another collaboration – an accuser named Daniel Kapone. After being treated by Dr. Lieberman, Kapone suddenly remembered having been abused by Jackson when he was just three years old. Once Lieberman helped him recover his “repressed memories,” Allred signed on as his attorney. Unfortunately for Allred and Lieberman, it was later determined that Kapone had never even met Michael Jackson.

    1993: The Media
    (13) During the 1993 case, many of Jackson’s former employees cashed in on the allegations by selling salacious stories to the media. The most visible opportunist from the 1993 case was the aforementioned Blanca Francia, Jackson’s former maid. She first sold her story to Diane Dimond during an interview on Hard Copy and later collaborated with Chilean journalist Victor Gutierrez on his book “Michael Jackson was my Lover”.

    (14) Aside from providing Blanca Francia with a platform for her sensational stories, Gutierrez and Dimond had something else in common; they were both were sued by Jackson for spreading a false story about him in the mid-90s. During an interview on Hard Copy, Gutierrez claimed to have seen a videotape of Jackson molesting one of his nephews; Dimond later repeated his story on a local radio station. It was eventually proven that no such tape existed and Jackson filed a lawsuit against Gutierrez and Dimond for defamation of character.

    2003: The Media
    While the mainstream media has been collectively irresponsible in their coverage of the Jackson case, NBC seems particularly intent on ruining Jackson’s reputation by hiring several well-known Jackson detractors to cover the case. The following people either have an axe to grind with Jackson, have spread false rumours about him in the past or have connections to the Santa Barbara District Attorney’s office. Take a look:

    (15) Despite the fact that Jackson sued her for spreading an irrefutably false story about him, NBC hired Diane Dimond to cover the Jackson case in 2003.

    (16) Dimond also admittedly receives information from the District Attorney’s office and there has been much speculation regarding the nature of her relationship with Tom Sneddon.

    (17) Tim Russert, the senior vice president of NBC News, is married to Maureen Orth, a journalist who has written three slanderous articles about Jackson for Vanity Fair magazine. Two of these articles were written about the case and were full of half-truths and rumours.

    (18) NBC hired Jim Thomas as a special analyst; Jim Thomas is admittedly good friends with Tom Sneddon.

    (19) NBC produced two salacious Dateline NBC specials about the Jackson case. The most recent one featured interviews with Jim Thomas and Ray Chandler and was heavily slanted in favour of the prosecution’s version of events.

    (20) The special was produced by none other than Victor Gutierrez, who was hired by NBC to cover the Jackson case even though he still owes Jackson $2.7 million dollars from a defamation of character lawsuit that Jackson filed and won against him. Conflict of interest anyone?

    Gutierrez and the Chandlers

    (21) Many have speculated that Victor Gutierrez collaborated with Evan Chandler, the father of Jackson’s first accuser, to write “Michael Jackson was my Lover”. The book contains personal photographs of Jordan Chandler and court documents that only somebody directly involved in the case could possibly have access to.

    (22) Victor Gutierrez and Ray Chandler recently worked together on the Dateline NBC special, which Gutierrez produced.


    Is it merely a coincidence that all of the people who have accused Michael Jackson of acting inappropriately with a child are connected to one another? Every accuser, every professional who has worked with each accuser, every tabloid hack who has reported negative stories about Jackson – literally all of the players involved in both the 1993 case and the 2003 case are related to one another.

    Is it a conspiracy?




  122. nan permalink
    December 9, 2011 6:04 am

    You know I get so much info at this site , sometimes I feel like a guest that shows up empty handed all the time :((
    I dont have any research to share
    ..But I do pass along A LOT of this info i find on here ..
    I was reading someones comments about all the people from 2005 still hanging out like they really enjoy each other ..All stuck in the same boat..
    And i recently saw a picture of Gavin who was given the honor of speaking at this very small gathering at the Zonens.
    You may recall these are the kids, that used words like aint , and underwears at trial….
    I am sure it wasnt exactly the Oxford speech, he was giving up there..LOL.
    Talk about humoring the kid…
    I can imagine Ron Zonen introducing him to other guests with one hand on his shoulder and the other over his mouth so he doesn’t accidentally say something that goes against the prosecution case..

    Tom Mesereau said he wasn’t surprised, because they had all gotten close and had a huge disappointment
    ..I wonder why they would invite Diane Dimond and not Tom Sneddon..After all he is the one that really really pursued this thing and gave it the green light….
    ( Of course the mom and sister werent there either but they never said they saw mj do anything..)
    , just the they really dont need to be afraid of them recanting anything that would vindicate mj in that area of accusations,,, ..
    I doubt if they would turn on their family members about the story they offered…

    Sneddon wasnt at frozen in time seminar either, Just Zonen ,and Louise…. I just figured he was too embarrassed to show up .
    But i would think that after all they had been through , trying to bring down the boogeyman..
    , that he would have made a point of being there if he was invited..
    I wonder if they have had a falling out?
    I dont think it is the happy group they like to come off as.


  123. shelly permalink
    December 9, 2011 5:58 pm

    Obviously, Zonen doesn’t like Janet.


  124. Julie permalink
    December 9, 2011 6:24 pm

    One has to wonder what was promised in return for their testimony by Sneddon. Did he promise college educations for the children and that’s why Zonen was spewing Gavin’s current status during the Frozen in Time Seminar? It seems highly unusual that the DA’s office would still be fraternizing with Gavin and Star this many years later without something to continue to bind them. I also have to wonder if the facebook pictures of the boys at Zonen’s wedding were not their way of continuing to perpetuate that these poor boys were victims even after Michael’s death. Diane Dimond and Stacy Brown certainly continue to do that. I guess none of them want to come out now and say they flat out lied

    Regarding Janet’s attendance at the wedding, maybe the children have nothing to do with their mother any longer. There was certainly testimony given that at least the daughter had told others her mother was crazy and didn’t Gavin claim abuse by his mother when he was younger but then recanted? I highly doubt anyone from that office wants a whole lot to do with Janet after her ridiculous display at the trial.

    I do find it strange that good old Sneddon wasn’t there. Is he trying to lay low after his huge embarrassment of losing that trial and now Jackson’s death. After all, that’s all in the world the man wanted was to get Michael. I doubt he cared one way or the other about that family no matter what he said at the time in the media.


  125. Julie permalink
    December 9, 2011 6:30 pm

    Also, the one thing that sickened me recently was during the Murray trial when the tape of Michael was played someone on twitter said something to Diane Dimond about it proving that Michael was not what they made him out to be and that woman had the audacity to say that Michael was doing it for PR reasons? As if Michael would have wanted the world to hear him in that state. That is just how absurd that woman is.


  126. nan permalink
    December 9, 2011 7:45 pm

    They like to pin the entire loss of the case on the mother , but in fact , the entire family were a bunch of liars..
    I am just wondering why Davelin wasnt there, and Sneddon..

    I just get the feeling that as long as they can get these kids to keep their mouth shut, they will be able to justify what they did…and pin it on believing the children instead of the obvious..which is ,the vendetta by Sneddon..
    Maybe someday Gavin and Star will try and extort them, if they are

    i think that you, are right..The pictures that got out of them at the wedding were supposed to be seen by the fans , as if thumbing their nose at the world..
    It was so obvious this kid was full of it, even before they got to trial,I wonder if they had some sort of understanding, that he was just going to be the vehicle to take MJ down, for past supposed he was doing a public service…And they thought the jury would just fall in line …
    Diane Dimond is just ugly on the inside,,
    Unless you are a white upper class, conservative..
    she resents your presence in her world..
    I love Sammy Davis Jr and saw him in concert with Liza and Frank Sinatra..
    He stole the show , out shined them both,
    But he played second fiddle on the stage to Sinatra..
    Mj never played second fiddle to anyone..He thought he had just as much right to be front and center as anyone ..
    That may sound weird ,now, that it might be an issue for some people , but from the sixties …it was an issue..What Mj did was groundbreaking..
    And I just feel like Diane Dimond, Sneddon, Orth,and their kind, think that MJ only had the rights they felt they were willing to give him..


  127. December 9, 2011 8:34 pm

    Someone who knew Gavin shared this somewhere recently:

    Do you remember that ABC special on Michael…. probably 7 or 8 years back? Remember the boy- Gavin? They depicted him as this cornie ass little boy, trapped on MJ’s spell. That was total BS. I know because we used to be close friends. He was the exact opposite and his mother was nuts. Needless to say, they got that payment…. got out of the hood and I heard from him only one time since.

    How did they afford to get out of the hood?


  128. Suzy permalink
    December 9, 2011 10:27 pm

    “How did they afford to get out of the hood?”

    They would probably say they could afford it because Janet married Jay Jackson. But are they still together? I vaguely remember as if I read somewhere they aren’t.

    But I agree that there’s more to this story than just Jay Jackson…


  129. sanemjfan permalink
    December 9, 2011 11:15 pm

    Here is a 2006 article from the New York Post that describes Janet’s relationship with Gavin after the trial:

    She’s his new tormentor

    LOS ANGELES – The day Michael Jackson was acquitted of child molestation charges, his teenage accuser, a cancer survivor, thought life couldn’t get any worse.

    Why didn’t they believe me? I told the truth. Why didn’t they believe me?” the anguished boy cried when prosecutors broke the news to him by telephone.

    But in the year since the verdict June 13, 2005, the 16-year-old’s existence has sunk to an even lonelier hell. His mom has turned her back on him, blaming him for the courtroom loss, for the alleged abuse by the pop idol, even for welfare fraud charges filed against her, the Daily News has learned.
    His mother barely speaks to him. She won’t cook for him. She treats him like dirt, and she won’t let him go to counseling to deal with the trauma. She blames him for the whole mess and says she wants to move on,” said a source familiar with the boy’s plight.
    Living under an assumed name in Orange County, Calif., the boy is torn between hiding his past from the world and paying for it every time he walks through the door of his home.

    “Mentally, he’s really messed up right now. He never knows what verbal abuse will be thrown at him when he goes home,” said the source.

    The 38-year-old mother, who has a documented history of mental problems and could not be reached for comment, often tells the boy it’s his fault the pop singer allegedly molested him, the source said.

    “She screams at him, ‘You allowed him to touch you! You allowed him to do it!’ And she blames him for not getting the jury to believe him,” the source says.

    But several jurors on the case said it was the boy’s mom – with her rude finger snapping, pointing and irrational tirades on the witness stand – who rubbed them the wrong way and made them doubt the family’s credibility.

    Fueling the boy’s problems, his step-dad, Army Reserve Maj. Jay Jackson, was deployed to the Middle East last August while the mom was pregnant with her fifth child, a baby girl now several months old. The couple, who married in 2004, also has a 2-year-old son.

    “The mother has her new family now with Jay. Maybe she has no energy for her older kids from her first husband,” said the source.

    When he testified at Jackson’s trial last year, the teen was playing high school football and making honor-roll grades, but this year his marks started slipping, the source said.

    “He has to work now. He rides his bike across town to his job [in a fast-food joint] and buys his own food. His mother won’t cook for him. It’s a terrible situation,” said the source.

    The mom even blames the boy for the welfare fraud charges she is facing in Los Angeles County because her alleged $8,000 scheme was unearthed by investigators working for Michael Jackson during the criminal case.

    “Everything is his fault,” the source said.

    The desperate boy recently reached out to a family friend, who is trying to intervene and get him help.

    The accuser’s younger brother, who still says he saw the pop star molesting his sleeping sibling in 2003, is “just plain angry at the world. He keeps saying, . . . ‘I saw him do it!’ ” the source said.

    “[The accuser] just keeps saying, ‘I wish I never met Michael Jackson. He ruined my life,’ ” said the source.

    So Gavin says that MJ “ruined” his life? MJ SAVED his life! That ungrateful little brat! He said that he didn’t understand why nobody believed him, but when I analyze his testimony in a few weeks, we’ll ALL know why nobody believed him!

    In case you’re wondering what MJ felt about Gavin after the trial, here is an excerpt from JRT’s book:

    The only person Michael saw in the weeks after the trial – other than his children and their nanny, Grace Rwaramba – was a therapist. For the first time in his life, Jackson decided to seek counseling. It was definitely a step in the right direction. He knew he needed help, and maybe it was an indication of growth that he actually sought it instead of ignoring the signs. ‘He felt totally victimized by Gavin, the rest of the scheming Arvizos, and also by the Santa Barbara district attorney, Thomas Sneddon,’ one of Michael’s inner circle told me. ‘He had a difficult time getting past the fury he feels about the whole situation. One day he told me, “God forgive me, and don’t tell Katherine I ever said this, but I hate that kid. I so hate that kid.” Then I remember he looked at me for a moment and he said, “Part of me thinks, no, that’s not right. You shouldn’t hate. But then I think, I can’t help it. I hate that kid for what he did to me. My therapist is telling me that I need to get real with myself and feel what I feel, not suppress it like I usually do. Well, how I feel is that I hate that kid. I do.”


  130. Suzy permalink
    December 10, 2011 12:12 am

    @ David

    Though I take this article with a pinch of salt (for example why would Janet blame Gavin for “letting MJ touch him” when they both know the whole thing is not true?), if at least the part about Janet and Gavin’s relationship is true, that’s interesting.

    If Janet abandoned her older kids after she married Jay Jackson and started a family with him then Gavin and Star’s money for schooling could not come from Jay Jackson. Then it must have had other source and of course the first suspect is Zonen, Sneddon and Co. One might say they are simply good people who saw these boys’ hard life and helped, but I’m sure there’s more to this story than that.

    On the other hand, other sources said that Gavin and Star went to a military school and it was Jay Jackson who helped them there, so if that is true then I don’t think the story about Janet abandoning them is true.

    I wouldn’t put it past them that they are selling a different story to everybody. That they are playing these poor, abandoned children in front of some people, when it’s actually not true. Who knows? They people are master manipulators.


  131. sanemjfan permalink
    December 10, 2011 12:54 am

    I don’t believe that article 100% either, but I thought it was interesting and decided to post it. We all have to take it for what it’s worth, just like any article that relies on “unnamed sources”. I think that Jay Jackson may have been instrumental in getting Gavin and Star admitted into that military boarding school.


  132. December 10, 2011 12:04 pm

    I’ve heard they aren’t together but Gavin lives with Jay Jackson.


  133. December 11, 2011 2:26 am

    “I do find it strange that good old Sneddon wasn’t there.”

    Julie, I think that Sneddon is considered by all of them a loser. All of them – the media and others – set so much on him, did their best to help him and stood by every lie he told, and he let them down so horribly stealing away the guilty verdict from under their nose.

    I remember reading that Diane Dimond sat in the court-room shaking her head at Sneddon’s “stupidity” on several occasions. Also at the Frozen in Time seminar Larry Feldman was giving advice to the audience how Sneddon should have handled the case – he said he shouldn’t have brought Janet Arvizo into the picture, she ruined everything.

    And all of them in a chorus are blaming Sneddon for introducing into the case the conspiracy charge. They think he should have focused on the “molestation” issues only and say that it only confused everyone.

    They are pretending that they do not know that Sneddon needed a conspiracy or otherwise:
    1) Frank Cascio would have testified and would have proved that no molestation was possible as he was always present in the room and Michael slept on the floor
    2) there would have been no explanation why the family stayed at Neverland after the documentary was made.

    This is another of their house of cards – you take one card out and the whole thing collapses. Only Diane Dimond and the rest will never say it. Those charges were pure fiction, but it is much easier for them to call Sneddon “stupid” (which he was not) and explain their failure by Sneddon’s “mistakes”.


  134. December 11, 2011 2:44 am

    “Also at the Frozen in Time seminar Larry Feldman was giving advice to the audience how Sneddon should have handled the case – he said he shouldn’t have brought Janet Arvizo into the picture, she ruined everything.”

    I think he hates Sneddon, he said that the 1993 case never went to trial because they had 2 DAs who were doing nothing.


  135. ares permalink
    December 11, 2011 3:44 am

    -… he said that the 1993 case never went to trial because they had 2 DAs who were doing nothing.- Shelly

    Larry Feldman really said that?


  136. December 11, 2011 4:11 am

    He said that

    “that district attorney, at the time Gil Garcetti, was very content to see us take the lead in that case on the civil side, and he was happy to watch us go forward, take the lead, see what the case was about, have access to all of our discovery, and then decide whether he wanted to prosecute the case.”

    I read an article where he said exaclty the stuff I posted in my previous post.


  137. December 11, 2011 4:18 am

    Another quote,

    “And for this kid, who had to live his life, and was now financially taken care of, and you have a district attorney who wasn’t really aggressively doing anything, it wasn’t that hard for him to make the decision that he had enough of it, and didn’t want to go forward anymore”

    He also claimed it’s him who wanted the body search, not the DA.



  138. Suzy permalink
    December 11, 2011 11:57 am

    @ rockforeveron

    “I’ve heard they aren’t together but Gavin lives with Jay Jackson.”

    That’s interesting, thanks.

    @ Shelly

    “I think he hates Sneddon, he said that the 1993 case never went to trial because they had 2 DAs who were doing nothing.”

    I think that’s just public posing on the part of Feldman. The Chandlers never wanted this case to to a criminal trial. Feldman himself is a civil attorney, who was brought in instead of a criminal attorney, and they worked hard on pushing the criminal trial behind the civil one.

    Of course, they have to claim that the DA was doing nothing, otherwise they should admit they didn’t have a case. We all know though that Sneddon was obsessed with this case, interviewed dozens of kids, sent officers to abroad, spent millions of dollars on it etc. so he was far from doing “nothing”. But thing is: if you have no evidence you cannot press charges.

    “And for this kid, who had to live his life, and was now financially taken care of, and you have a district attorney who wasn’t really aggressively doing anything, it wasn’t that hard for him to make the decision that he had enough of it, and didn’t want to go forward anymore”

    And to me it looks like they (Sneddon and the Chandlers) are blaming each other. Sneddon blames the Chandlers for settling and not testifying in a criminal court and through Feldman they blame Sneddon for “doing nothing”. Well, if the Chandles wanted a criminal trial sooooo bad, then they could have testified. Simple. What else the DA should have done in their opinion? I guess the problem was that they didn’t find other “victims”, so they blamed the lack of other “victims” on Sneddon not doing his job. But it’s really strange why they needed other “victims” so bad if they were telling the truth…


  139. Suzy permalink
    December 11, 2011 12:04 pm

    Right from Ray Chandler’s book:

    ““Late in the afternoon, after everyone had consumed their holiday repast, Larry Feldman called Evan with news they could all be thankful for.

    Larry: “Hey, Evan, you gotta hear this one. Howard Weitzman demoted Fields again. They definitely don’t want your deposition, or June’s deposition. They don’t want to preserve anything. (not necessarily true) If they’re gonna make a deal they don’t want anything on the record about Jackson.”

    Evan: “No shit! Larry, these guys are in a real mess.”

    Larry: “Yeah, they fucked this up unbelievably. What could be better? But I’m going forward. We’re going to push on. So far there ain’t a button I’ve missed. The only thing we gotta do is keep the criminal behind us. I don’t want them going first.

    Larry had said it before, but it hadn’t registered in Evan’s brain until now.

    Evan: “You mean if they indict, the criminal case automatically goes before us?”

    Larry: “Yeah.”

    Evan: “Jesus Christ!”

    Larry: “Right! So we don’t want that.”


  140. ares permalink
    December 11, 2011 4:42 pm

    Lary Feldman can do and f. himself with his lies. The unfortunate thing is that all this people spit their lies and no one who knows the facts of both cases isn’t there to challenge them. They are speaking and lying because they know that the majority of people are just ignorant conserning the two cases regarding MJ so no one is going to dispute their lies.

    The Chandlers didn’t have a case. Feldman knows that. All that Chandler wanted was money. Feldman knows that. Feldman is a fucking lying bastard and WE KNOW THAT.


  141. stacy2 permalink
    December 13, 2011 12:22 pm

    interesting article sanefan. I really love it how that immoral person was supposedly upset and couldn’t understand why the jury didn’t believe him. Sneddon also claimed that he was very down and discouraged–yet the very next day he was photoed by paparrazzi having a great time with friends, happy and having a

    That kid or should i say grown man, really has them all fooled like a bunch of saps..If only they would open up their minds and put their hatred aside, they will see the truth.

    This is the same kid who chris tucker described as being very cunning and smart. He knew how to play the victim role very well and would often use his illness to get over people. He’s a great actor and deserves an oscar nomination.


  142. December 13, 2011 5:21 pm

    I think that document about Janet is priceless

    Click to access 022405ntctestproswit.pdf


  143. lynande51 permalink
    December 25, 2011 9:34 am

    I was searching for information today and found an interesting blog that wrote and article about the Stacy Brown/Jermaine Jackson book fiasco. Well it seems that there is actually a paper trail to where Diane Dimond gets her gossip and close family friend sources about all the nonsense that they make up. You will find this very interesting. Here is the story. In late 2005 or 2006 Stacy Brown was saying that Jermaine was going to write a tell all book about Michael and other things. Jermaine went on Larry King and refuted it. called Stacy a liar and other things. This of course came up again and again after Michael’s death and then when Jermaine was going to release his book. The thing is that Stacy went on a CNBC program the day after Jermaine was on Larry King and told the world that Jermaine was lying and he had tapes. Brian Oxman was on the program and called Stacy a liar and said there were no tapes because that book deal was not true. Later on the person that supposedly saw the book deal came out and said yes, there was one but nothing like what Stacy Brown said it was. OOPS! And another big OOPS! There were NO TAPES. Surprise surprise! Well the most interesting part is that every single lie ahem story that Diane Dimond spouts about his kids and everything else comes straight from that non book deal,book deal. Then an MJ fan reached out to Stacy Brown just before or after Jermaine’s book came out and he had a plethora of excuses as to why he did what he did. None of them add up if you have this one important transcript of Stacy Brown on Donny Deutsch Big Idea from CNBC. Here are the links to the whole story. Now Stacy says that someone else got hold of the original book deal contract and changed it but when you read that he was the one touting it as true how do we believe that he had nothing to do with it?And now knowing where Diane Dimond gets her information makes everything so clear the prpoblem is Stacy made the whole thing up.;wap2


  144. sanemjfan permalink
    April 12, 2012 11:50 am

    I added some bombshell new info that Nan gave me! I added the FB pages and photos of Jason and Blanca Francia!


  145. Susanne permalink
    April 12, 2012 3:16 pm

    OMG, isn’t he a good actor? And all this crying he already rehearsed in the trial in 2005.


  146. nannorris permalink
    April 12, 2012 10:03 pm

    David..when I showed you that vimeo thing , I didnt know what it was …I didnt know people put videos on there so thank you for showing me this..
    If that fake crying he does in that video is any indication of his acting skills at the wonder he was laughed out of court


  147. lynande51 permalink
    April 12, 2012 10:52 pm

    Oh what the he** was that? I don’t think I have ever seen anything quite so odd in my life!


  148. Sonja permalink
    April 13, 2012 7:53 am

    I guess this is good for fans who don’t believe in conspiracy…it’s good to have Ll the facts somewhere to send to the media periodically, but I wonder why we spend to e seeing how good the life of the Arizona are now when u r also asking us not to contact them. For me, it just angers me to see they are well. I can get over things better if I’m wasn’t thinking about them. I personally feel that there are several murderers – Pepsi, Sony, aeg, the chandlers, send don, the Arvizos and more….all tools of the illuminati


  149. samantha permalink
    April 15, 2012 3:04 am

    lol what a bunch of morons. They tried to take down the biggest star in the world and all ended up getting embarrassed.


  150. sanemjfan permalink
    April 28, 2012 8:12 pm

    I’ve added a link at the very end of this post to Jason Francia’s Myspace Video page! He uploaded 4 videos in 2009, so if you’re bored and need someone or something to laugh at, you can watch those videos to see how absolutely pathetic Jason really is!


  151. Hilary permalink
    April 30, 2012 9:20 pm

    hey you guys, I think I found some more info on Jason Francia!

    National Geographic alltrials account:

    TWITTER account!!! Doesn’t seem like he uses it. But you can look at his profile pic to see if it’s our guy:!/jay4554


  152. sanemjfan permalink
    April 30, 2012 11:08 pm

    Thank you Hilary! I added photos of those two accounts, and I gave you credit! Your contributions are enormous!


  153. nannorris permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:30 am

    How old is Jason Francia ?? What a loser
    I am guessing the National geo trial thing is for his motorcycle group..At one time he had some kind of blog about it…
    He doesnt strike me as a youth pastor…way too superficial imo..
    Sitting around watching Lost episodes…
    Dosnt sound like he has much going for him other then the settlement money..
    And since I believe , he is divorced,, hopefully
    she got half and he has to pay child support..
    What a moron..


  154. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:56 am

    I think it’s time to leave him alone.


  155. May 1, 2012 4:26 am

    I agree with Shelly.


  156. sanemjfan permalink
    May 1, 2012 4:32 am

    @Shelly & Teva
    Why do you think it’s time to leave him along? All I’m doing is exposing to everyone his very PUBLIC social media accounts! He has no desire to maintain any anonymity, so why should I care about him?

    If you guys feel that strongly about Jason, then I would recommend that you not watch the mashup video of him that me and LunaJo67 are working on, which will debut in a few weeks!


  157. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 4:39 am

    Because he has a right to be on Internet and to post crappy video if he wants to do, it has nothing to do with the allegations.


  158. Rodrigo permalink
    May 1, 2012 4:43 am

    I look forward to that, sanemjfan! 😀


  159. May 1, 2012 5:21 am


    ….because it will not change anything, basically it is preaching to the choir. Yes he has a public presence on the internet, and probably had for years. Advertising it to MJ fans will accomplish nothing, and in the end will only hurt your cause. You cannot control what fans do – some will visit out of curiosity, and some will be wrathful. To the casual observer it will appear as though MJ fans are bullies. Which brings me to my next point, “the choir”. The people that follow Michael Jackson’s cases know who he is already by way of the 2005 trial. The ones that don’t know, don’t care.


  160. sanemjfan permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:09 am

    As far as me posting Jason’s social media accounts here, all I’m doing is compilining it all in one place so that fans who are interested in knowing who MJ’s accuser were, and what they’re up to now, will be able to see for themselves. I’ve never suggested that people should harrass them; in fact, I’ve also told people that it’s useless to even try, so they shouldn’t bother. I’m not trying to encourage any vigilantism against any of the accusers; I just feel that if they’re bold enough to have public social media accounts, and post photos and videos of themselves, than I have a right to help give them the exposure that they’re trying to get by alerting other MJ fans to their presense.

    If I was trying to encourage vigilantism, I would have posted the home address and telephone numbers of the Arvizo family, which I have in my possession! I also would have posted the facebook accounts of Jordan’s younger brothers and sisters, but I would never do that because they had nothing to do with Evan and Jordan’s lies!

    I have a question about the following comment you made:

    Which brings me to my next point, “the choir”. The people that follow Michael Jackson’s cases know who he is already by way of the 2005 trial. The ones that don’t know, don’t care.

    What is that supposed to mean? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you’re saying that because most fans already know that MJ was innocent, and most haters and/or skeptics don’t care, that we are just wasting our time with this blog. Yes, anyone who take 5 minutes to research the allegations will know that MJ was innocent, but knowing he was innocent, and being knowledgeable about every aspect of the cases are two different things. There are many fans who want far more than just a rudimentary knowledge of the allegations, and we’re here to help them and to help educate others who are looking to do substantive research, and want answers to the tough questions.

    Do you think that this blog has been a waste of everyone’s time, and that because Aphrodite Jones, Geraldine Hughes, Lisa Campbell, and Mary Fischer have all written books about the allegations, that nothing more needs to be said? That nothing more needs to be investigated? That nothing more needs to be researched? Please let us know what you’re trying to say with that comment.


  161. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 12:57 pm

    “I’ve never suggested that people should harrass them”

    We know that, but you know some people will do it anyway.
    People who are not fans will that as bullying, because it’s how it looks.


  162. Julie permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:16 pm

    @teva and shelly – if what sanemjfan was posting was not a matter of public record, it would be one thing, but since Francia has put this out on the internet with his real name, etc. – he obviously has no problem with people knowing it’s him. It’s the same with posting information on Dimond, Stacy Brown, Zonen & Palanker, the Arvizos, etc. All of these people have put themselves out there. If people are going to harass any of these individuals – they don’t need this website to do it. You will notice that as soon as Palanker gets any type of heat about what she’s posted, be it pictures or articles, she takes it down. These people know what they’re doing by being online.


  163. shellywebstere permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:19 pm


    I agree with you on Palanker, I think she posted those pictures on purpose but I don’t believe it was the case with Francia. Jason isn’t a public figure like Palanker.


  164. Julie permalink
    May 1, 2012 6:11 pm

    @shelly – no, I agree with you that Francia isn’t a public figure; however, I guess what I’m trying to say is that if anyone has a facebook page – it can be pulled up and posted anywhere. You kind of leave yourself open to that when you have one.


  165. nannorris permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:07 pm

    As far as Louise Palanker and the Arvizo boys …I think those pictures were put up to annoy the fans..JMO
    They like the attn..
    Mesereau said when Gavin testified he could tell the kid was loving the attn..
    They wanted to be actors ..Starr did a taped tour of Neverland.
    It is the only thing that will get them any kind of notice so they like to perpetuate it imo..

    Star is on Diane Dimond page ,Gavin on Zonen..they are both on Palanker..
    They like the notoriety
    It really is my guess that Francia just has this stuff out there for his own benefit,,not having anything to do with MJ or his fans..
    I dont think he thinks anyone really knows who is and what his part in the MJ saga was..
    When his mother decided to look for some extra cash,threatening a tabloid mess when MJ album was coming out….. it wasnt out there in the public.
    And when he was testifying at trial ..he was usually referred to as “the maids son” or the “youth pastor”
    Even in the interview with Karen Moriarty , she seemed unfamiliar with him and she was researching a book..
    At one point his page was so you could see everything but that was right after MJ passed..
    Maybe someone contacted him and insulted him and he made it more private, but for the most part
    I just dont think he really has a clue that people are even discussing him much….


  166. May 1, 2012 11:42 pm

    People please let It be known that continuous smearing og MJ’s name is not going to be tolerated. Entertainment tonight is going to air an interview of Liberace’s ex lover claiming to be MJ’s lover in the 1970’s.


  167. Rodrigo permalink
    May 2, 2012 12:30 am

    Yeah, I remember that crap from years ago.


  168. May 2, 2012 2:57 am

    BJ, I don’t understand how people can believe this crap on the one hand:

    “We were two young men extremely attracted to each other. You could’ve cut the sexual tension with a knife”

    and still find it compatible with Thorson’s admission to Larry King:

    KING: Are you heterosexual?
    THORSON: Yes.
    KING: Did you ever have other homosexual relationships [besides Liberace]?
    THORSON: No.
    KING: No. You did not.
    THORSON: No.
    KING: He was the only one.
    THORSON: He was the only one.

    At the time when Thorson was busy “entertaining” Liberace – Michael, who was the same age, was going from house to house handing out Jehovah’s Witnesses’ books. He not only followed their views on homosexuality but fully shared them.

    So how can anyone believe this irresponsible crap? Michael, a Jehovah’s Witness and a couple of these clowns??? What do they have in common??

    Liberace looks totally revolting. He ruined the life of Scott Thorson, corrupted him for 10 years since the age of 16, made him undergo plastic surgery to make him look like him, he forced him into drugs – so what can we expect of Scott now?

    Liberace Scott Thorson and Liberace

    Here is an article describing Scott Thorson in all his beauty. And this kind of an authority is invited to TV to share is views on Michael Jackson? They are definitely sinking to a new low or are running out of their “sources”.

    Liberace’s Ex-Lover Reportedly Tied Nash to Deaths
    September 16, 1988|ROBERT W. STEWART | Times Staff Writer

    The decision last week to charge convicted cocaine trafficker Adel (Eddie Nash) Nasrallah in the 7-year-old Laurel Canyon bludgeon murders was based in part on significant new evidence provided by Scott Thorson, the former lover of the late pianist Liberace, The Times has learned.

    Thorson, 29, is being protected in a tightly secured section of County Jail while he awaits sentencing for a drug-related armed robbery in which he pleaded guilty last July 11.

    Information Offered

    Thorson approached authorities sometime after entering the plea and offered to give them information linking Nash, who once owned a chain of strip joints and punk-oriented nightclubs, to the July 1, 1981, Laurel Canyon slayings, according to two sources familiar with the developments.

    Nash, 59, and his former bodyguard, Gregory DeWitt Diles, 40, were each charged Sept. 8 by the district attorney’s office with four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. Neither has yet entered a plea to the charges. Both are being held without bail. If convicted, they could face the gas chamber.

    The late John C. Holmes, the premier male pornographic film star of the 1970s, was unsuccessfully prosecuted for the brutal murders in 1982.

    When the charges were filed against Nash and Diles, Deputy Dist. Atty. Dale A. Davidson, who is prosecuting the case, said new witnesses had come forward, but he refused to name them or discuss the information they had provided.

    Davidson on Thursday refused to say whether Thorson provided information that led to Nash’s arrest. “I have to be concerned that Mr. Nash and Mr. Diles get a fair trial. I also have to be concerned about the safety of my witnesses in this case, and on that basis I can’t comment,” Davidson said.

    Thorson’s attorney in the robbery case, Deputy Public Defender Cathy Dreyfuss, said, “For now, I prefer not to comment on anything.” Attempts to contact Thorson were unsuccessful.

    According to testimony at Holmes’ 1982 trial, the porn actor once told Los Angeles police that he had led killers to a home on Wonderland Avenue in Laurel Canyon at the behest of a revenge-crazed Nash, who two days earlier had been robbed of cocaine and $10,000 by two of the murder victims.

    Ferried Stolen Property

    A heavy cocaine user, Holmes ferried stolen property from the Wonderland Avenue gang to Nash, who exchanged the goods for cocaine, witnesses at Holmes’ trial testified. The robbery was said to have been Holmes’ idea. Holmes did not testify during his trial.

    Holmes died in March of complications arising from infection with the AIDS virus. Liberace died in February, 1987, also as a result of AIDS infection.

    Details of the evidence provided by Thorson remain secret. However, sources familiar with the case said Thorson, who lived with Liberace and served as his chauffeur, secretary and lover from 1977 until 1982, maintained a close relationship with Nash during much of that period.

    “Eddie was Scott’s cocaine connection,” one source said.

    In an acknowledgment in his recently published book, “Behind the Candelabra: My Life With Liberace,” Thorson names Nash as one of six people who, over the years, offered him “personal support and understanding.”

    Introduction to Cocaine

    In the book, Thorson describes his introduction to cocaine through a plastic surgeon who was hired by Liberace to remake Thorson’s face in Liberace’s image. Subsequently, Thorson wrote, he met a Hollywood nightclub owner, identified only as Mr. Y, who supplied him with cocaine and who hid out at one of Liberace’s properties after “a much publicized gangland-style killing.”

    Thorson wrote that Mr. Y came to his aid in 1982 when Liberace’s security personnel were attempting to evict him from the entertainer’s Los Angeles penthouse. At Thorson’s request, Mr. Y dispatched his own thugs to the Liberace apartment to ensure that Thorson would not be beaten, the book states.

    Sources familiar with Thorson said the Mr. Y described in the book is a composite figure of Nash and another nightclub owner who was more directly acquainted with Liberace.

    Thorson filed a highly publicized lawsuit against Liberace in 1982, in which he contended that Liberace had reneged on promises to support him for the rest of his life. The suit was settled out of court shortly before Liberace’s death.

    Nash served two years of an eight-year prison sentence handed down after he was convicted in 1982 of possessing for sale about 2 pounds of cocaine, valued at $1 million. Diles was convicted of drug charges in a separate case.

    After his acquittal on the murder charges, Holmes spent 110 days in County Jail for refusing a judge’s order to tell a grand jury what he knew about the Laurel Canyon killings. He finally agreed to testify on the same day that Nash was sentenced to prison. Holmes’ grand jury testimony remains sealed.

    Times staff writer Dan Morain contributed to this article.


  169. May 2, 2012 3:21 am


    “What is that supposed to mean? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you’re saying that because most fans already know that MJ was innocent, and most haters and/or skeptics don’t care, that we are just wasting our time with this blog.” -@sanemjfan

    I was not referring to Michael Jackson, but rather to Jason Francia when I spoke about the 2005 trial. At this point the people who still don’t know who he is are not that interested.


  170. Hilary permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:13 pm

    @saneMJfan I’m glad to help!

    For those of you saying it’s time to leave Jason alone-if he didn’t want fans to track him down, he shouldn’t have a public Twitter account. He thinks people have forgotten about his LIES, but we haven’t. All I did was Google his name and his Twitter popped up.

    No one is making disparaging comments about them or their character OTHER than what they did in the MJ trial, unlike Diane Dimond who thinks she’s expert enough to comment on Michael’s decision to homeschool his children. This site is just showing connections between people involved in destroying Michael, connections that they are not trying to hide, so how are are they being bothered? If they didn’t want this information out there, they shouldn’t be making public social networking accounts, plain and simple.

    Oh, and I don’t know if you guys blogged about this (I’m too lazy to check, LOL) but Tom Mesereau commented on all these connections between Palankar-Zonen and the Arvizos. You can hear what he had to say on this video at 7:34 onward.

    Some more interesting information, there is a guy on Youtube by the username of 2JOHNNYT who keeps writing disgusting comments about michael. According to William Wagener, he is actually a college friend of Star Arvizo! Can’t verify that, though, but after William stated that on a certain video, the kid stopped commenting on it.


  171. nannorris permalink
    May 2, 2012 11:34 pm

    Well the Francia are pretty easy to locate..As I said , I doubt he thinks people even remember his name, but they do and if he googles his own name he is going to find his testimony being dissected and see that many people are aware he lied..
    And not just on this site , but other sites ..

    I understand why he lied.
    He was a kid with a greedy mom, and they thought it was in the past until the Arvizo family gave Sneddon an excuse to actually drag them into court.
    I am sure they NEVER in a million years thought they would end up having to testify against MJ..
    Because they both know he was not a criminal.
    Which is why I beleive Jasons sobbing testimony ends with him saying something to the effect that MJ needs to move away from here..
    How true that was , in order to get out from under Sneddons authority,

    If you look at where this guy lives , he isnt exactly in a gated community..I dont know what his financial situation is but he doesnt have the resources Jordan Chandler has and he still lives in the vicinity, had roots there, so he could been harassed by the authorities if he didnt cooperate..
    I wouldnt put it past Sneddon and company to do such a thing.
    So this was the Mothers decision to place her kid in this situation and lets face it ..
    It isnt going away..
    So his name is out there for good.
    I know more personal info about his family but they are not responsible so I wouldnt share that stuff.
    Also know Jordans siblings but I wouldnt put that up either.
    However ..I had heard that Frank Cascio was trying to get in touch with JC to clear MJ name..
    I had asked Frank if that was true or a rumor..
    He answered me and said….. “I have tried to reach him but had been unsuccessful. :(( .”

    I wrote back I had the FB pages of his siblings and I could private message them to him and in turn , he could private message them, if he wanted to get in touch with Jordan..
    He didnt respond btw..
    I also asked William if Jason was sobbing ;like he is in the video in court when he testified and he said no, he was more subdued and much more nervous..
    I am glad I got to see his video because it gives me an impression of what kind of person he is ..
    I asked William if he would let sanemjfan interview him, to get his impressions first hand , since there wasnt any cameras in the courtroom, it is important to get these impressions by people who were there before there memories fade.
    I am looking forward to that interview if they ever get a chance to do it..


  172. stacy2 permalink
    May 2, 2012 11:36 pm


    what did Diane Dimond say about michael homeschooling his children?


  173. nannorris permalink
    May 3, 2012 7:41 am

    We are talking about people sliding by and getting a pass..How about Gordon Auchincloss..The third of the 3 stooges who prosecuted this case ..
    He is the Jason Francia of the prosecution team

    Very rarely do you hear his name mentioned but he was front and center also..they dont even mention the case in his profile and yet he was at the table
    Mesereau said the three of them were feeling no pain when they went to the evidence locker..
    Maybe he didnt get as much coverage during the trial because DD had not ingratiated herself enough with him ..
    perhaps being odd man out with that group paid off for him….,..
    Because I dont see people holding him accountable , even though he was part of the prosecution team


  174. May 3, 2012 10:53 am

    I was hoping that the Gay accusations about MJ would be forgotten as the days go by. It’s unfortunate that the Huffington Post and other outlets are picking up the story : (


  175. May 3, 2012 3:36 pm

    “I was hoping that the Gay accusations about MJ would be forgotten as the days go by. It’s unfortunate that the Huffington Post and other outlets are picking up the story”

    BJ, you must be joking. How can they forget it or anything else if the trend is reversing in Michael’s favor? For them it means that all their work will be thrown into a wastepaper basket and people will probably even start asking them questions why they harassed a totally innocent man for so long.

    This they absolutely cannot afford, so it is a matter of survival for them. They are fighting for themselves now – not against Michael. If Michael is fully exonerated in the public eye it will automatically condemn them as liars and even diminish their chances for making profits.

    They are preparing to give the battle of their lives. You can feel it in the air. Make yourselves ready for more to come from them – this will not be easy. It has never been, but this time it should be more than ever. Time to show now what we are worth.

    I am currently looking into the “gay” story and hope to present some of my findings. Unfortunately at the moment I am extremely pressed for time. But I’m doing my best.


  176. May 3, 2012 3:48 pm

    Guys, have a look at this incredibly good video called tHE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH:


    If anyone is able to make a transcript of it please do it. I think it is necessary to send this video all around the world with a text attached to it, so that it could be translated into different languages. Please help us with the transcript if you can.


  177. Hilary permalink
    May 3, 2012 6:14 pm

    @stacy2 Hey Stacy, I was reading on another blog (or it might have been this one, I can’t remember) how Diane appeared on Louise Palankar’s radio show sometime in 2007 and they were mocking Michael all over again, saying he was guilty, and she made some kind of comment about the homeschooling. The blog posted the link up to the radioshow, but I didn’t listen to it to save myself from getting angry.


  178. lynande51 permalink
    May 3, 2012 7:30 pm

    We are talking about people sliding by and getting a pass..How about Gordon Auchincloss..The third of the 3 stooges who prosecuted this case ..
    He is the Jason Francia of the prosecution team

    Very rarely do you hear his name mentioned but he was front and center also..they dont even mention the case in his profile and yet he was at the table
    Mesereau said the three of them were feeling no pain when they went to the evidence locker..
    Maybe he didnt get as much coverage during the trial because DD had not ingratiated herself enough with him ..
    perhaps being odd man out with that group paid off for him….,..
    Because I dont see people holding him accountable , even though he was part of the prosecution team

    @ nan
    Yes people do forget that Gordon Auchincloss had more than a bit part in the trial. He authored many of the more contentious briefs that were written in the case. He cross examined Kiki Fornier, (he introduced the term “special friends and Pinnochio’s Pleasure Island” not the witnesses) and was the one that was responsible for people getting the impression that Michael was broke.You can tell from his bio that he supposedly tries White Collar crimes of business and yet this man just could not get it through his head that the Sony deal was a merger of Michael’s ATV catalogue and Sony’s catalogue. It was for that reason that Michael was dogged after the trial about being broke.
    Here is how it worked. Michael had the ATV catalogue. Sony had their catalogue consisting mainly of Country Western songs.When the Sony deal was complete it was a merger meaning that Michael did not own just half of his original catalogue but he owned half of the entire catalogue or fifty percent of Sony/Michael Jackson ATV catalogue.Auchincloss just did not get what that meant and the tabloids have run around saying that Michael was broke because of this man and his inability to comprehend the music publishing business.
    I’ll give you an example that will give you a better visual, using two bags of M&M’s candies. Michael’s ATV catalogue are the bag of red M&M’s. Sony had a bag of green M&M’s. When Sony purchased Michael’s ATV catalogue,through a merger, all the red M&M’s and all the green M&M’s were put in a big bowl. They were all mixed together and that made the Sony/ATV (Michael Jackson) catalogue one big catalogue full of red and green M&M’s. Both Michael and Sony could eat whatever color M&M they wanted to because they were now sharing all the M&M’s from the big bowl of mixed red and green M&M’s. It never would have mattered which color they ate after that because they are all chocolate on the inside.
    As part of that merger put together by John Branca and John McClain, Michael got to have half of however much money was generated by the catalogue no matter which color M&M’s made the money so did Sony. He was half owner of the entire catalogue.That was what Auchincloss just could not get through his thick skull no matter how many times someone told him that.
    One of the things that was going on during that trial was that Sony was in the middle of acquiring ( buying not merging/sharing) another catalogue (adding yellow M&M’s this time) causing aquisition debt.What the general public and apparently Gordon Auchincloss didn’t get is that in the middle of something like that you don’t want the competion or the catalogue that you are attempting to purchase to know your gross value. If they did it would drive up the price of the catalogue you are trying to purchase and Michael loved a bargain.That made it appear on paper as if Michael owed money. He did not, because in the merger it was also agreed that the Sony corporation would front Michael’s half of the acquisition debt through a loan ( they would pay for all the new colored M&M”s and Michael would pay them back over time). That loan would not mature for 10 years so Michael’s fifty percent of that catalogue would have had that paid off in a short time leaving him with even more income generated by the newer and bigger catalogue that was Sony/Michael Jackson ATV catalogue of red ,green and now yellow M&M’s.
    Does anyone remember that Eminem put out a music video during the trial called “Just Lose It”. He made fun of Michael in a bad way showing someone with their head on fire and other things. If you go through the list of artists in that catalogue be sure to note that Sony/Michael Jackson purchased the publishing rights of Eminem. So there is a just a word to the wise guys out there… If you piss off Michael Jackson he will own your assets.When it comes to music it looks like MJ was the Boss.


  179. Rodrigo permalink
    May 3, 2012 8:09 pm

    It is a remarkable coincidence.

    A story about Michael being straight comes out, immediately followed by a one claiming he was gay.

    It is amazing how far the media are pushing it. Trying to keep Michael shrouded in conflicting tales and myth. Hoping that people will either believe the lies or just drop the whole thing, and wash their hands of Michael, cause they’ll be too confused to care what the truth actually is.


  180. Hilary permalink
    May 3, 2012 8:53 pm

    This isn’t totally related, I know, but it brings up a very interesting point about how society’s treatment of Michael is more reflective of our failings than it is of any crime on his part.

    This is from LKL in 2003, I believe right after the Bashir interview, so before any charges/new accusations.

    KING:What do you make of the Michael Jackson hulabaloo?

    MAHER: Well, I defended Michael Jackson several times. I think this
    country with Michael Jackson uses him as kind of a scapegoat because we
    are a youth-crazy country.

    KING: You don’t think sleeping with young children is…

    MAHER: Well, I wouldn’t…

    KING: You don’t like anybody under the age of 21, do you?

    MAHER: I don’t like anyone under the age of 21?

    KING: Children, you don’t like children. MAHER: I don’t like children,
    but there are a couple of people under 21 I like.

    KING: Never mind.

    MAHER: But it is a youth-crazy country. And I think Michael Jackson
    somehow is the guy who gets blamed for it when we have a much bigger problem.

    Yes, there’s a pedophilia problem and part of it is because parents
    let their 13-year-old daughters leave the house with jeans that are about
    an inch above the promised land and shirts that say “Porn Star” and “Slut”.
    And we have all this lip service about leave no child behind and everything
    is for the children.

    But you notice that when we need one for advertising or for modeling
    or for a movie, snatch them up and throw them into the volcano.

    KING: But Michael Jackson lets himself be used by doing these things.
    Doesn’t he?

    MAHER: I personally don’t think Michael Jackson is doing that with the
    kids and there’s no proof of it. Yes, he was sued once, but he’s an obvious
    target for extortion.

    And I just think he’s a guy — yes, he’s not like the other boys. OK.
    He sounds like Anna Nicole Smith and he looks like the corpse of Jackie
    O. i mean, he’s not a normal guy, we get that.

    But to take that leap to — I wouldn’t recommend sleeping with kids.
    That probably is something that shouldn’t go on between an adult and a
    kid. But to lay it all on Michael Jackson, I don’t know. It says more about
    us than I think it says about Michael Jackson. He doesn’t spend his time
    watching ten hours of Michael Jackson footage every week, or maybe he does.


  181. sanemjfan permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:00 pm

    Helena, Olga posted that “Man Behind The Myth” video here in it’s own post last August! Did you watch it? Or did you just forget about it?


  182. Hilary permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:02 pm

    Of course Gavin didn’t get a dime from the trial-because Michael from the very beginning accused them of wanting money! To prove Michael wrong they had to hold out on the handout.


  183. sanemjfan permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:10 pm

    Hilary, thanks for that info! I will add that video of Charles Thomson and Mesereau to this post later today. I will also find that radio interview from 2007 where Dimond, Zonen, and Palanker made fun of MJ and ridiculed his parenting. It’s on this blog somewhere in the comments section, so I’ll do a search and post here in this thread.


  184. stacy2 permalink
    May 3, 2012 11:52 pm

    They all made fun of MJ and his parenting but I bet they all felt like idiots when Paris stood up in front of millions of people and told them what a great daddy he was and how much she loved him.


  185. nannorris permalink
    May 4, 2012 12:28 am


    thanks ..that is a good way of explaining it..
    They always make such a big deal of the financial numbers forgetting how much money Michael generates.

    Even the figure for the Chandler settlement..If you put it in the context of how much money was hanging in the balance it isnt that much, in business terms..
    So I get tired of hearing they must have had the goods on MJ..
    They didnt of course and he proved it by letting them photograph him.
    I just have so much contempt for this group of prosecutors because every single time evidence showed it was exculpatory, they changed the game..
    I am also suspicious of how they wanted to get into all his financial stuff when this was going on, over something as ridiculous as those accusations..
    I know it was supposed to show motive , but really , they knew he was giving the money he got from the Bashir documentary to charity..
    So he really didnt stress out about money..
    Even the 50 concerts……. he is drugged up by Murray and he is talking about giving the money to charity..
    I just wonder if Sneddon was doing someone a favor, in trying to open his books for a pretty wide period of time or what ..I think Melville cut down on the amount of financial info Sneddon was looking for..

    And yeah , I remember how hurt MJ was about that Eminen video..He talked about it with Geraldo ..
    I am glad he owns his music…LOL


  186. Hilary permalink
    May 4, 2012 6:32 pm

    Hey you guys! Some more BOMBSHELL information on Jason Francia!

    William Wagener’s son knew Jason Francia and he visited Wagener’s house a year before the trial and bragged to him about how his mother worked for Michael and how Michael was so good to him! Start watching from 5:38 on this video:


  187. stacy2 permalink
    May 5, 2012 3:19 pm

    This comment was posted by someone on facebook:

    “If Michael Jackson put wine in soda cans to hide it from children, and only the people close to him knew this, then how did the Arvizo boys know this? and how did they know he called it “jesus juice”? I’ll tell you how: Because Michael Jackson told this to Janet Arvizo while they were having dinner at neverland, and she later took that and used it against him. She shared this information with her children and that’s how the boys knew that Michael Jackson called wine jesus juice and put it in soda cans. They would go on to falsely claim that michael gave gavin wine in soda cans and forced him to drink it by saying jesus did it, so it was ok.”


  188. Hilary permalink
    May 6, 2012 2:21 am


    So Michael really called it Jesus juice? I can’t imagine him saying that, considering he seems respectful towards God/Jesus/religion in general.


  189. stacy2 permalink
    May 6, 2012 2:39 am


    It’s just something I read on facebook. I don’t know if it’s true or not.


  190. Hilary permalink
    May 6, 2012 4:16 am

    @stacy2 Sorry Stacy, i don’t know how I went on to believe that that comment meant Michael really called it that. Brain in shock! LOL.

    I think these people are disgusting enough to come up with that name all on their own. I mean, in the police interview, Gavin claimed he didn’t know what the word “ejaculation” meant, yet he knows about masturbation. They teach you what ejaculation is in 5th grade sex-ed (at least in my experience), whereas masturbation was mentioned in the little pamphlets they handed out.


  191. Hilary permalink
    May 13, 2012 11:42 pm

    Hey Stacy,

    About the Jesus Juice comment you saw on Facebook, there is something I found that could support that theory. Mike LaPerruque had this to say:

    “For example, LaPerruque said, “[Jackson] would never offer a child liquor.” He said the “Jesus Juice” that Jackson jokes about — liquor hidden in soda cans — is designed so the child-friendly singer is not photographed doing something adult, like holding a drink. He is not the first member of Jackson’s entourage to use this explanation with me.”

    Read more:,2933,114041,00.html#ixzz1umSLS2vm


  192. sanemjfan permalink
    May 14, 2012 2:23 am

    There were 2 flight attendants named Cynthia Ann Bell and Lauren Wallace, and they both confirmed that it was THEIR idea to pour alcohol in coke cans because they normally poured it into thermal containers, but on that flight back to Neverland from Miami they didn’t have any, so they used coke cans. MJ didn’t want to be photographed drinking alcohol, so he had it poured in thermal containers. Here is a summary of their testimonies (Bell testified on Day 22, and Wallace testified on Day 16:

    I will go into much more detail when I get to them during my trial analysis.


  193. Hilary permalink
    May 14, 2012 8:07 am

    @sanemjfan I don’t really know ALL the details of the trial, just the main ones and enough to stand up to a hater, so thanks for that info! I’ll admit, it’s kind of disappointing because whenever my parents say something negative about Michael and drugs, I always told them how Jermaine said Michael never even drank Pepsi during the Pepsi commercial. There goes HIS credibility.

    Something I found interesting though was Star Arvizo’s facebook message to that girl. Notice how he makes all of these claims, calling the girl “celebrity obsessed” and telling her “there is more to life than MJ” and that they didn’t do this for money or fame. How does he know she’s a crazy-rabid MJ fan? She isn’t. If you go to her site, you know that she didn’t really care about Michael too much until AFTER he died. And she’s “celebrity obsessed?” Is HER celebrity obsession responsible for Michael being exonerated? And who said anything about this being for money or fame? Maybe he’s only denying it because it WAS for money. She could have responded to his message and laid out the facts about his own lies and made him feel really stupid, but I bet since she didn’t, he thinks he’s somehow “won” this.

    I also think that girl was dumb for even messaging him in the first place. These people are not going to admit they lied about Michael-they cost California tax payers tens of MILLIONS of dollars in that trial. I think there’s a good chance of Jordan Chandler speaking out with his father dead. To me, Jordan was just as much of a victim as Michael was.Imagine being known as the “kid who had sex with michael jackson” just cause your father wanted a quick pay day and then almost being killed by him years later. The Arvizo boys are not so innocent-getting drunk and watching porn in Neverland when they were what, 13 and 10? And many of thier lies were things that seemed to come out of their own heads, considering how much thier stories changed every time they told them. I think people are willing to forgive Michael for 2005. It was a well reported fact that the Arvizos were nutty, but people still think Michael bought his way out of a trial in 93, so I have my fingers crossed for Jordan coming out and speaking the truth. I heard Frank Cascio tried to reach out to him?


  194. Hilary permalink
    May 23, 2012 8:19 am

    Hey you guys should check out Diane Dimond’s Twitter page as well.

    She only follows 68 people, including Jermaine and Latoya (WTH), Jason Pfeiffer, and Fritz Coleman (witness in the trial).

    Some other interesting things Diane has said on Twitter.

    @JimLichtenstein Santa Barbara? That’s one of my favorite places in the whole wide world. Color me jell-ous!

    I wonder why she loves Santa Barbara so much? oh yeah, cause her best friend, Tom Sneddon, lives there.

    Some guy wrote
    @DiDimond who give this lying air head a job @ CNN…CNN is really becoming tabloid news 2 be putting this trash reporter on .

    She replied: @IshmaelSteve Ahhhh. Another Jackson groupie.

    So the only people who think she’s a trash reporter are Jackson fans? If you’re best known accomplishment is working for a tabloid news show (Hard Copy), you ARE a trash reporter, especially if half the things you say about the person you are best known for reporting about are lies.


  195. sanemjfan permalink
    May 28, 2012 2:26 am

    Guys, I have added the new mashup video that me and LunaJo67 have been working on! It combines Jason’s own home video with media coverage of his testimony from 2005! It’s at the end of the post!


  196. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:48 pm

    Ah! DD would know all about groupies since she is Tom Sneddon’s biggest Groupie what a waster!


  197. Betelgeuse permalink
    June 3, 2012 2:04 pm

    Thank you for doing this work… I can’t believe this network of MJ’s enemies exist… It is so rotten…. But even so, the truth prevalied… it just shows that the truth concurs everything. WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL!!!! FOREVER!!!!


  198. Rodrigo permalink
    February 13, 2013 9:02 am

    I was reading Topix the other day and haters were saying Michael didn’t save Gavin’s life. One hater even downright believes (he knows who he is), that Gavin DIDN’T have cancer….Apparently, and he believes this about a lot of the pro Michael stuff that you can’t really dispute, it was all a PR stunt! Jeez…Is it Diane Dimond I wonder?

    Haters ponder, after all the things that Michael did for the Arvizo’s, if he were innocent, why would they turn on him like that?
    The logic baffles me, because they all agree, and even the Arvizo’s agreed back then, Michael did jack shit for them…
    They were more upset that he wasn’t as involved as he should have been with them and less about the molestation! Caught out there.
    It’s clear they were grateful to him to some extent…but not enough for them not to go for the life setting payout when they knew the end was nearing. They were pissed that their rich life was going to slip away. Luckily Ron Zonen became their new “Michael”, giving them the helping hand they thought Michael was going to keep giving them.


  199. Rodrigo permalink
    February 13, 2013 9:29 am

    I never heard the name Mag Nicola either. Just that he wanted to get some dirt on Michael to run him out of town?

    At times I think, was that the mission? Just to destroy Michael Jackson and not actually send him to jail? Or send him to jail if they could, but destroying his reputation and financially ruining would be good enough?

    Because I’ve more or less learned over the years the goal –
    Screw the quest of justice, just slander Jackson, get rich out of it.

    Never seen that with Jimmy Savile or Jerry Sandusky…


  200. appleh permalink
    February 14, 2013 1:11 am

    I was reading Topix the other day and haters were saying Michael didn’t save Gavin’s life. One hater even downright believes (he knows who he is), that Gavin DIDN’T have cancer….Apparently, and he believes this about a lot of the pro Michael stuff that you can’t really dispute, it was all a PR stunt! Jeez…Is it Diane Dimond I wonder?

    Haters lifes must be wonderful, every day a new fairy tale !!!


  201. February 14, 2013 1:12 am

    LOL wait, so they think he’s lying about the cancer… just not anything else?


  202. Rodrigo permalink
    February 14, 2013 1:29 am

    Octobrain or whatever thinks Gavin’s cancer was just a PR stunt by Michael.

    He’s seriously been listening to too much of Dimond.


  203. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 14, 2013 2:22 am

    Check this video out Helena was having some trouble with some haters so I offered my services lol

    Notice how the hater dodges all my questions and replaces them with his own opinion and NOT facts.


  204. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 14, 2013 2:24 am

    Ooops the link to the video was messed up so here it is


  205. nannorris permalink
    February 14, 2013 4:34 am

    Mag Nicola was with the prosecution team,As far as MJ saving Gavins life, he certainly gave him hope as the kid even stated that in MJ guest book”Thank you for giving me the courage to take my hat off” because he was bald from chemo treatment.
    He didnt save Gavins life, because Gavin was never dying.. Whether the child thought he was, At the time, I have no idea, since the mother went around telling everyone he had some unknown cancer , and he was dying, so she could access celebrities and get money.
    Gavin needed surgery to have part of his spleen removed and I think it was 5 rounds of chemo, and he would be in remission.
    So while he looked the part of a dying child , he wasnt.
    Of course MJ thought he was, so when he asked if he could hang out with MJ in his room and watch tv……..MJ thought it was one of the last wishes of a dying child, so he and FRank slept on the floor, and Star and Gavin slept in the bed with Michaels children.
    After that MJ allowed the kid and his father access to Neverland, so he could recuperate in the serenity of his ranch, but he was avoiding the child like the plague , because he didnt trust the intentions of the mother.
    Even Gavin testified that he was heartbroken because they would tell him MJ was busy in meetings or off premises and one time he accidentally ran into MJ and MJ looked like he got bagged , and tried to play it off..
    He was upset because he felt MJ had abandoned him


  206. February 15, 2013 1:56 am

    Truth Prevail, thank you. No sooner did I mention that Michael’s worst harassers are dreaming to have him among their ranks, when I found an immediate confirmation for it. I went back to the Monaco video (where all my battles with haters were taking place – here and what did I see?

    This “jay bob” who was arguing with me is stating the following now:

    jay bob
    Are you sure your research was set out to find facts refuting the paedophile claims. Because I did non bias research, and used common sense. I gave you hints of why he could be a paedophile. Which is not illegal. Most people I know, believe hes a paedo, but his great music over shadows that. Michael never penetrated them, and where do you expect the dna to stay? There were DNA stains of 3 different males from his bed, but of course you have an excuse for that.

    Paedophilia (in his British spelling) is not illegal!

    Of course to him and to his people it is not. While to normal people it is.

    Pedophilia is a perversion and no one will ever persuade me that it is just another of those “sexual orientations”. These people are sick same as necrophiles, zoophiles, etc.


  207. Rodrigo permalink
    February 15, 2013 2:16 am

    I saw that comment last night, and I was shocked by it.
    It’s not illegal?

    Is he trying to pass himself off in other countries where it’s not illegal. But yes, his spelling has given him away.

    If he’s from the UK, thinks Michael is a pe-le and thinks it’s fine for him and his friends because Michael has good music…and says it’s not illegal. I’m a little concerned.


  208. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 15, 2013 4:33 am


    Initially I thought he said he gave me hints on why Michael could be a pedophile and that he was doing nothing illegal by hinting.


  209. Rodrigo permalink
    February 15, 2013 5:02 am

    With so many of them with agendas against Michael, things can be quite difficult to differentiate at times lol


  210. February 15, 2013 10:45 am

    “Initially I thought he said he gave me hints on why Michael could be a pedophile and that he was doing nothing illegal by hinting.” – Truth Prevail

    Now that you said it I think it it possible to understand it this way. But Rodrigo also understood it the way I did when he read it the first time. So the very least it means is that there is a double meaning in those words.

    This is exactly the kind of games these people play. On the one hand they never say things openly because they are extremely secretive, but on the other hand they need to promote their ideas, so they introduce them here and there in a most “innocent” and stealthy manner. This way they can always say that they meant something different.

    I remember Victor Gutierrez doing the same in that dreadful Peretti’s documentary. He said about “sleeping with boys”: “Probably in a hundred years it will be acceptable”? And it wasn’t only the meaning of this phrase but the intonation which was also telling – it sounded like a question with much hope in it, seeking “yes” as an answer. Peretti did not answer.

    These are the small things these people allow themselves from time to time in their conversation with others. In their sites they are much more open and express their views directly. And they teach each other how to refute arguments against pedophilia and promote their cause without being caught. And one of their main ideas is that it is not illegal to simply exchange ideas. “They are not doing anything bad – just talking”.

    Freedom of speech, you know, used as a freedom to stealthily corrupt the world.

    P.S. Truth Prevail, my huge thanks to you for giving me a helping hand in that Youtube discussion! At first I did not realize it were you.


  211. February 15, 2013 11:04 am

    “I saw that comment last night, and I was shocked by it. It’s not illegal?” – Rodrigo

    Dr. Reisman will answer you. She is the one who studies Kinsey and his “legacy” and she has an article explaining how ped-lia is regarded now by American psychiatrists. It is a huge surprise to find that it was removed from the list of perversions:


    Published: 06/01/1999 at 1:00 AM
    by JUDITH REISMAN Email | Archive

    Dr. Judith Reisman is former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Justice, Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention study of child sexual abuse and crimes suborned by “soft” pornography, and author of several books, the newest of which is conference in Washington, D.C., uniting a coalition of members of Congress, child protection advocates, child abuse victims and public policy groups.

    Among the speakers were House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla., Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., Dr. Laura Schlessinger and myself. The conference was largely ignored by mainstream media.

    We met to demand that the American Psychological Association repudiate its APA Bulletin report, “A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples.” Speakers charged the APA to renounce the study whose authors, Bruce Rind, et al., claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial.

    After the American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia as sexual perversion in its 1994 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV, it was only a matter of time until The American Psychological Association would ease us further toward legalizing child sexual abuse.

    Illinois State Representative Bob Biggins introduced House Resolution 325 damning the APA Rind study that found “sexual relationships between adults and willing children” might be “positive.”

    As usual, the Rind and Co. APA paper cites Alfred Kinsey’s 1948 tome, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, as a guide for their child abuse study. Why, “as usual?” Because the first “scientific” claim for pedophile normality was brewed at Indiana University by Kinsey and his comely boy-toys, Clyde Martin and APA psychologist, Wardell Pomeroy.

    Kinsey’s junk sex science mutated into a human sexuality junk yardstick for both the American Psychiatric and American Psychological Association (now, for brevity, jointly dubbed the American Pedophile Associations). Psychologists and psychiatrists like Rind were trained by Kinseyans – in Kinsey’s lies. Fabricating 18,000 interviews, the Kinsey corps alleged children needed sex — with each other and adults.

    Rind’s child sex data might be as reliable as his mentor Kinsey, who labeled his cadre of child rapists “scientists.” These pedophile “scientists” claimed 317 to 2,045 “weeping,” “screaming,” “fainting” and “convulsing” children, even 2-months-old, “derived definite pleasure” from oral, manual, and worse, tests for “orgasm.”

    So, Rind follows a 51-year-old pedophile junk science track record, during which both APAs were trained to believe up is down and black is white. Statistical proof that Rind and other educated elites accept and widely rely upon this pedophile research appears in Kinsey’s record 5,796 Social Science Citation Index, and Science Citation Index citations (1982-1997) with fully 648 law journal index cites in Westlaw during that time. Not Masters and Johnson, not even Freud compare. And although a 1998 British TV documentary “Kinsey’s Paedophiles” proved that Rind’s mentor paid men to sexually assault children for his “science,” in 1998 the Kinsey Institute re-released the fraudulent data.

    Just like Kinsey, Rind says a 9-year-old can consent to sex and that “The current war on boy-lovers has no basis in science.” What “science?” One Kinsey “scientist,” Rex King, raped 800 children for Kinsey’s “data.” The German press reported children had to choose between the chimney and an ex-Nazi commandant in Hitler’s Germany — Dr. Fritz von Balluseck, Kinsey’s aide, who defiled hundreds of children, for “science.” Are the Rind trio — like the Kinsey team — sexual psychopaths: secret pedophile, pansexual and homosexual felons?

    Rind and Co., also cite John Money, Vern Bullough and Larry Constantine as key child sex authorities. But, Money, Johns Hopkins professor emeritus, psychiatrist and Penthouse Forum employee and Bullough, self-confessed pedophile editor of The Journal of Paedophilia, reassure their Journal of Paedophilia pedophiles that incest and adult-child sex are harmless. And, psychologist Constantine, also a Penthouse hireling, would legalize child pornography and incest to provide better paying jobs for children.

    Like other failures in the Rind and Co. paper, dressing up pedophile activists as child molestation experts and saying a 9-year-old can “consent” to sex implies their “science” is the work of sexual psychopaths. Rind — like Kinsey — uses phony data to reduce attitudinal and legal protections for boys and girls in order to eliminate the age of consent.

    Such “scientists” would debase American youth to that of some Third World children currently sold to pleasure wealthy western pedophiles and pederasts. Sex research has a track record of fraud, crime and psychopathology among its leading lights. Unlike the British medical journal The Lancet, Science and other reputable scholarly journals still hide the Kinsey crimes from their constituency. They can be expected to give the bad Rind study credibility and honor.

    As The Kinsey Institute dominates the “sexuality” field, expect more and more “Rind” studies. Only repeated disclosure of the long history of the academic pedophile movement can alert the nation to 51 years of lies and pedophile pedagogy.


  212. February 15, 2013 11:27 am

    “Initially I thought he said…”

    Truth Prevail, what these people say and mean are two totally different things. Dr. Reisman will break their code for you:

    Published: 11/17/2000 at 1:00 AM

    Editor’s note: The following column contains content of a sexual nature that some readers may find objectionable.

    Those who read our Nov. 14 column “254 ‘boy words,’” [ ] saw the quote from the prestigious homophile book, “The Long Road To Freedom,” explaining that, for homosexuals, the gay dictionary, “The Queens’ Vernacular … firmly remains … something of a secret code … in a hostile culture.”

    Ordinary heterosexuals can no more understand the secret homophile argot than can ordinary Americans understand Mandarin Chinese. Dr. Reisman’s formal academic studies included training in a World War II scientific method used to decode the Axis intentions by reading, categorizing and then analyzing their words and phrases. Today this same “content analysis” method opens up the secret code of the pederast-homophile movement.

    The following case study uses the QV to decipher the “secret code” of “gay men” found in a recent invitation to an important public event:

    On Oct. 1, the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network of Boston, Mass., mailed invitations to a charity ball starting today, Nov. 17, which celebrates “Adornment V: The Oldest Profession … A Return to the Chicken Ranch.”

    The primary theme in the QV is boys (254 out of 12,000 words and phrases focus on them). And what’s a boy to the QV? A “chicken,” which it defines as “a young recruit; any boy under the age of consent, heterosexual, fair of face and unfamiliar with homosexuality.” Was it from naivete that GLSEN chose “chicken” as its theme and as “the oldest profession” to which it seeks a return?

    GLSEN auctioneers expect philanthropists to arrive in Boston by air, car and train (cheaper than Thailand and tax deductible!) Yet, GLSEN warns it “assume[s] no liability for personal belongings, actions or room damage during Adornment weekend.”

    What other group has a disclaimer absolving them of the “actions” of charitable attendees? What bad “actions” would GLSEN expect? Why fear “room damage” from philanthropists interested in helping “teenagers who are gay or suspected of being gay”?

    “Adornment V,” the announcement reads, “The Oldest Profession Meets the New Millennium: A Return to the Chicken Ranch: Meat Market Auction: Hunks and hunkettes from the near and far get on the block for your bids! All the food groups will be there — BEEF, PORK, CHICKEN, SAUSAGE, and surprise delicacies. So much fun, it’s almost illegal. Relax after the Ball with [a] Texas Tea Party.

    Well, here are your handy lil’ ol’ code breakers. GLSEN’s theme is a slave auction of men and boys. But can GLSEN’s choice of the many unusually mixed words above be a coincidence? The QV defines much of GLSEN’s secret code. For example, who knows the meaning of the “In & Out Show,” a “performance” GLSEN advertised for Nov. 17? And who would think that so many common words have a wholly different homophile connotation?

    In & Out: According to the QV, “normal copulation between a man and a woman. Syn: regular trick, straight lay: western lay.”
    Meat Market Auction: “Meat,” according to the QV refers to the penis, “the membrun virile, see ‘c—’. Outdoor setting such as a promenade in a public park, where homosexuals gather to parade their wares and meet new friends.”
    Hunks and hunkettes: “Hunk: handsome, broad shouldered man.” “Hunkette” would be a hunk variation on “babette … baby: baby-faced teen who appeals to the paternal side of the mature homosexual.”
    Get on the block for your bids!: It’s the slave auction theme.
    Beef: The QV pegs this, first, as the penis and, second as “a masculine man … ranchhand … armed forces (he stood in the back playing with his ‘beef.’)”
    Pork: Like “beef,” this refers to the penis. QV says it’s “mainly black and southern, pork enema [my apologies to the reader], etc.)”
    Chicken: A boy for sex as defined above. The QV offers several related terms: “chicken coop, chicken dinner, chicken feed, chicken freak, chicken hawk, chicken house, chicken hunter, chicken-little, chicken-looking, chicken on a spit, chicken plucker, chicken pox, chicken queen, chicken-recruiter, chicken rustler” and others.
    Sausage: Another synonym for penis. (“Well, you and that Polish sausage weren’t playing jacks.”)
    Surprise delicacies: Remember the announcement: “So much fun, it’s almost illegal.” No precise QV definition, but it seems to imply new kinds of child abuse activity protected from legal fallout.
    Relax after the Ball with Texas Tea Party. “Texas” in the QV refers to males who are “well hung” as in “Texas Longhorn.” As for “tea,” it’s “an appointment kept with someone in a public john.” There are several more “graphic” descriptions of the teahouse and tearoom trade, etc., which are available should someone decide to arrest or sue the GLSEN leadership. As for “party” and “ball”:
    “Party: 1. orgy, sex session, see pig pile 2. to copulate, see f—.”
    “Ball: See f—.” QV’s example: “I haven’t balled any a– since I left the military academy.”

    What a secret code! This Massachusetts party invitation seems to says that “after” the official party, there will be an orgy with lots of “well hung” boys and men for the “in” crowd.

    GLSEN says its “chicken” party will make “schools safe for gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers.” But decoding the QV “secret code” in their party announcement finds GLSEN toxic for all youth. Using the homophile-accredited QV to decode the GLSEN ball invitation one finds an advertised, planned pederast, child molestation party. Here vulnerable boys are redefined as prostitutes (the “oldest profession”) and allegedly will be auctioned off for sexual services to “philanthropists” who donate to GLSEN’s “charity” teahouse ball.

    The skeptic asks if homosexual child molesters (pederasts) control GLSEN’s tax-funded “Safe Sex Schools Program of Massachusetts?” How else could the formal GLSEN announcement to the “hostile culture” read (as decoded) that their “ball” is a man and boy sex-slave sale under cover of a tax-deductible charity?

    GLSEN says that it provides “services through the Safe Schools Program of Massachusetts, retreats for educators, and an annual conference related to these issues for students and professionals from all across new England.” Legal access to all our children is the program, and, as seen in the Boy Scout attack, it is well planned and in place.

    Remember, don’t blame us, we just broke the code.


  213. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:48 pm


    “P.S. Truth Prevail, my huge thanks to you for giving me a helping hand in that Youtube discussion! At first I did not realize it were you.”

    Your welcome I enjoyed proving him wrong lol, I should have made clear on who I was “MrRocketMan187” before that I was using my Google plus account to post the name was different.


  214. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:53 pm


    That “cracking the chicken code” article was interesting, Thanks 🙂


  215. February 15, 2013 10:25 pm

    “That “cracking the chicken code” article was interesting, Thanks”

    Truth Prevail, yes it was interesting, to me too. Actually the text of the invitation sounds strange even without cracking the code, so why isn’t the public paying attention? Let’s suppose we don’t know anything about the code and are invited to a charity ball arranged in favor of “teenagers who are gay or are suspected to be gay.” Look at the text again (without the comments) and you will notice how strange it is:

    “Adornment V: “The Oldest Profession Meets the New Millennium: A Return to the Chicken Ranch: Meat Market Auction: Hunks and hunkettes from the near and far get on the block for your bids! All the food groups will be there — BEEF, PORK, CHICKEN, SAUSAGE, and surprise delicacies. So much fun, it’s almost illegal. Relax after the Ball with [a] Texas Tea Party.
    …cheaper than Thailand and tax deductible.
    … [we] assume no liability for personal belongings, actions or room damage during Adornment weekend.”

    Why do they refer to the oldest profession? (prostitution is often called that way).
    Why are the guests invited to a charity ball involving a chicken ranch and a meat market auction? In Boston?
    Why will they make bids there? Because it is an auction? But what is being auctioned?
    Why are the people there divided into food groups? And it is people all right, because usually meat does not come in groups.
    Why do they promise so much fun that it is almost illegal?
    Why should a charity ball in Boston be compared to Thailand?
    Why do they expect actions and room damage at all (for which they don’t want to assume responsility)?
    Are the “philantropists” supposed to stay in those rooms over the weekend?
    Is this how charity balls are arranged?

    Please notice that this invitation was printed in 2000, and 13 years have already passed. How many boys (chickens) have been recruited into this system since then? And all this time this organization has been taking care of “educating” schoolchildren as their official title announces it – the “Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network of Boston, Mass.”

    This organization speaks of “chickens”, but a chicken is “a young recruit; any boy under the age of consent, heterosexual, fair of face and unfamiliar with homosexuality.” So the organization knows that they are heterosexual and are “unfamiliar with homosexuality”, but they educate them otherwise?


  216. shellywebstere permalink
    February 16, 2013 7:58 pm


    How do you know that hater on Helena youtube page is Christine White who is slandering Sabine Faustine?


  217. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 16, 2013 8:38 pm


    I don’t nor did i claim to know either, I believe you have mixed me up with someone else’s comment.


  218. shellywebstere permalink
    February 16, 2013 9:04 pm


    You are right sorry.


  219. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 17, 2013 6:36 pm

    That “Jay Bob” on YouTube is still claiming that i did not provide him Facts yet if you read my comments you will see I disproved everything he said about MJ everything from the “Jesus Juice” to the “DNA” stuff I even asked him legitimate questions yet he chose to just ignore them and continue saying his own opinion on what he THINKS happened.

    I think we can consider him beaten 🙂


  220. Rodrigo permalink
    February 17, 2013 6:47 pm

    Truth Prevail

    Honestly, it’s just like going round in circles with them.

    Only mentally ill people are like that 😉


  221. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 17, 2013 8:38 pm


    You are right Its like I am telling him the sky is blue yet he insists it is green.


  222. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 17, 2013 10:34 pm

    Helena can you please do me a favor and block “Jay Bob” from posting on your YouTube video because I have given him many days to rationally prove his point but he failed and is just going round and round.


  223. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 18, 2013 1:29 am

    OMG look at what Jay Bob is saying now The following confirms that he indeed is a Pedophile sympathizer.

    “Of course paedophilia isnt illegal. They cant help how they feel much like homosexuals or heterosexuals, its about controlling your feelings. Molestation however is illegal. ===== So again ive just proven that i think with my head rather than my heart ==== you however thought with your heart simply because paedophilia clearly triggers negativity in you.
    I was trying to rest this case, because no-ones points are convincing, and I do think Jackon is a paedo, but you dont. Thats all.”


  224. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 18, 2013 1:31 am

    And i replied

    “I don’t know where you are from but where I am from it is illegal, however I do think it might be a mental illness but it still is illegal and wrong I think it’s really disgusting that you compare it to Homosexuals and Heterosexuals,
    How can you say Molestation is illegal but pedophilia is NOT?
    If a kid gets molested by an adult then it’s obviously because that adult is attracted to that kid which makes him/her a pedo.”

    “Of course it triggers negativity in me and any other good person.
    Why does it trigger positivity in YOU?
    My points are convincing to any unbiased person who is just looking for the truth.
    You can think what you want, and you have not presented any convincing evidence to say Jackson was a pedo. whereas I have countered the claims you made but you choose to close your eyes and cover your ears.
    You came here trolling and down talking to the people who did NOT think like you so you started it.”


  225. February 19, 2013 1:40 am

    OMG look at what Jay Bob is saying now The following confirms that he indeed is a Pedophile sympathizer: “Of course paedophilia isnt illegal”

    Tatum, just as I expected. The worst liars about Michael are pedophiles. They don’t actually harass him, they simply drag him through the mud of their pedophilia fantasies and hope that some of them will rub off him. There is only one way to deal with them – fight them. They are the worst Michael’s enemies, same as they are the worst enemies of children whose innocence Michael always protected.

    I was busy and could not look up what’s going on Youtube but will try to go there and see.


  226. February 19, 2013 2:32 am

    “OMG look at what Jay Bob is saying now The following confirms that he indeed is a Pedophile sympathizer.”

    Truth Prevail, I’ve blocked this person, at least on my thread and will most probably delete all his comments concerning pedophilia.

    And this is not a mere ped-le sympathizer. In fact there is no such thing as a “sympathizer” of them – all these people are ped-les all right. He makes all the statements that are so specific of these people – for example, that “if they do not act on what they think they are harmless”.

    NO, THEY ARE NOT HARMLESS! They are spreading their ideas and this alone makes them no better than some psychotic maniacs who spread ideas about the “normality” of their craving to kill. The more people listen the more confused they will be, and that is why they engage us in all this talk.

    I advise you to never even talk to them, because there is simply nothing to talk about with these people. Pedophiles are the worst threat to society – everywhere in the world. And now they seem to be going on a march and should be stopped by all means.

    Normal people cannot afford not to win. The stake is the future of our children.


  227. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 19, 2013 2:35 am


    LOL that was me that posted that here not Tatum.

    I am creeped out I thought He was just a normal hater turns out he is far sinister than that.

    I have stopped responding to him because I have proven him wrong even if he refuses to admit to that and the fact that he is A Pedophile sympathizer is enough to make any good person stop replying to his venom, He is just going round and round now.


  228. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 19, 2013 2:41 am

    When he replied to me last he was trying to convince me that Pedophilia behavior is normal Just like heterosexuality.

    Doesn’t that remind you of an organisation who also preach that and are trying to convince the public that it is absolutely normal and should be accepted – NAMBLA


  229. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 19, 2013 2:43 am

    Before you remove his comments Helena Report him to YouTube, because a lot of youngsters and Adults for that matter use YouTube and would not like to read his Pro pedophilia propaganda.


  230. February 19, 2013 3:03 am

    “LOL that was me that posted that here not Tatum.”

    Truth Prevail, sorry.

    I am creeped out I thought He was just a normal hater turns out he is far sinister than that.

    There is only one good thing about all these strange conversations with the so-called “haters”. The more we look at them, the more we realize who they are. They are pedophiles all right and their only one, but huge motive is to make MJ look like one of them. They will go to great lengths trying to “prove” that he was a p. They have no person with a MJ charisma in their ranks and they desperately need him to turn him into a glossy picture for their “movement”.

    And you know why they haven’t got a single person with charisma and all of them actually look revolting like Jimmy Saville or Sandusky? Because their depravity begins to show on their faces, especially with time. Just like in “The Picture of Dorian Gray” by Oscar Wilde.

    “I have stopped responding to him because I have proven him wrong”

    I really advise you to NEVER talk to these people. They use every opportunity to express their thoughts and break the public natural barrier to their perversion. For example, they say – “No, I don’t support ped-les, but on the other hand what can we do with these people. Kill them?”

    Of course you don’t want to kill and this is regarded by them as their first victory. But if you do not kill then you will have to live together with them. And this conclusion will be their second victory. They seem to be forgetting that they can be simply placed in a mental institution if they go on spreading their thoughts.

    In fact these people even have a manual on how to talk to others and do their propaganda work, where for each of our arguments a ready-made answer from a ped-le is being suggested. You cannot win if you talk to them. Simply do not give them a platform for talking.

    If I only could I would strangle them with my own hands. No mercy for these monsters.


  231. February 19, 2013 3:10 am

    “When he replied to me last he was trying to convince me that Pedophilia behavior is normal Just like heterosexuality. Doesn’t that remind you of an organisation who also preach that and are trying to convince the public that it is absolutely normal and should be accepted – NAMBLA”

    Not only does it remind me of Nambla, but it is them all right. No doubt about it.


  232. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 19, 2013 9:48 pm


    “I advise you to never even talk to them, because there is simply nothing to talk about with these people. Pedophiles are the worst threat to society – everywhere in the world. And now they seem to be going on a march and should be stopped by all means.”

    Yes that is why I told him I will no longer reply to him that and the fact that he was just stuck on a broken record.


  233. February 21, 2013 2:23 am

    “I told him I will no longer reply to him that and the fact that he was just stuck on a broken record” – Truth Prevail

    It is absolutely useless to talk to pedophiles because in their depravity they have hit the bottom and reached the point of no return. They are unable to understand normal people and cannot imagine that others may think differently. Their top priority in life is pleasure-seeking and they simply do not understand any other goals.

    What can you explain to these people? There is nothing to talk about with them. They see everything through their rotten eyes and brains. They simply cannot see Michael in another light.

    I have blocked that pedophile on my Youtube account and deleted his pro-pedophilia comments – just could not bear them any longer, even though now it is not clear why I blocked him.


  234. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 21, 2013 11:22 pm


    “I have blocked that pedophile on my Youtube account and deleted his pro-pedophilia comments – just could not bear them any longer, even though now it is not clear why I blocked him.”

    I think the fact i gave him lots of chances to backup what he was saying. I asked him rational questions which he just totally ignored and went on spreading his filth, Then also started disrespecting the fan community and The WORST of them all started spreading his pro pedophilia thoughts and trying to convince me it is all normal and that we should NOT punish.

    I hope that makes it clear why that person deserves to be put on block, You can continue talking to that Nut (Although i think it will just be a waste of time) if you want but I am done with him.


  235. February 22, 2013 12:08 am

    “I asked him rational questions which he just totally ignored and went on spreading his filth. The WORST of them all started spreading his pro pedophilia thoughts and trying to convince me it is all normal and that we should NOT punish. You can continue talking to that Nut if you want but I am done with him.” – Truth prevail

    Once I realize who these people are I don’t talk to them any more. And it is absolutely not enough to be done with them and leave them alone. They should NOT be left alone. They should NOT have any chances. They should NOT have any rights.

    There is no use talking about their “right” to express their deep feelings of “love” for others. They don’t love anyone except their dear selves, and what they have for children is not love – it is a sexual craving.

    No one in his right mind will allow cannibals to publish articles about how delicious their craving is. No one (at least yet) will allow them to spread their ideas freely. But pedophiles for some reason are given this right.

    The number of their sites is mind-boggling. The number of “research papers” muddling waters and easing restrictions is growing like mushrooms. Now they don’t bother themselves to prove their lies about Michael Jackson – they simply call him a p. and admire the fact that his name will be forever used in combination with “little boys”. They simply assert it and it is this assertion that they start their propaganda with.

    It was them who slandered and stigmatized Michael. Now they are using his name on each of their pages.

    It is our duty to stop them.


  236. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 23, 2013 2:15 am


    Yes and his real motive to pin Jackson of those crimes finally came out.

    You were right when you said there is no such thing as a P sympathizer, They can only be a P or not be a P.


  237. nannorris permalink
    February 27, 2013 10:42 am

    Just to mention , if it isnt already on here , the pictures of Diane Dimond in NYC with Stacey Brown and Zonen..The other people in the picture are Steve Roebel, lead detective and his wife Nancy,
    You may recall , Nancy was recruited to drive the Arvizo around town , since everyone else in the DA office was too busy working on this case.
    Incredible that even the wives were given tasks, so they could have some kind of involvement in Michaels case


  238. Sanah permalink
    April 5, 2013 4:02 pm

    I thank you so much for creating this blog x your work without a doubt is a winner and truth on the dot! I really do hope star and Gavin die a slow painful death as they tarnished his image however Michael Joseph Jackson was ‘unbreakable’. To be honest I am a victim of sexual abuse and exploitation yet I regardless of the allegations and court trials as I was 10 in 2005 didn’t believe a second for what was being said on the TV, thus i still remember seeing Michael on TV crowned not guilty on 14 charges xx I would never take money for my abuse and would go to the end of the world for justice. Star and Gavin show no signs of the abuse has physically or mentally impacted their lives which of course they are still chatting shit about the fact that they know and have rights to talk about p*les I’m sorry that’s the biggest load of tut I’ve heard! More like you who destroy and ‘rape a man out of his pride’ should be killed and all. Really from the bottom of my heart thank you xx RIP MJJ Always remembered never forgotten 😭 ❤ wouldn’t mind a heart to heart with a fan xx need someone to talk to


  239. sanahakhtarandemilycollins permalink
    April 5, 2013 4:10 pm

    Hi I just posted a comment its Sanah, just liked and now following your blog x


  240. April 6, 2013 9:39 pm

    “I really do hope star and Gavin die a slow painful death”

    Sanah, I think that if Star and Gavin lived a painful life it would be even better. I hope they have to live a life full of regrets and painful recollections, a life filled with scorn from everyone who sees them, a life of isolation where people refuse to talk or shake hands with them. Only then they will feel what they did to Michael.

    And they committed a terrible crime. By the time they made their accusations Michael had regained his strength a little and was trying to restart his life and career. And they deprived him of his last chance. Remember the “One more chance” song and video? It is even symbolic that the Arvizos rid Michael of this last chance. The people who knew Michael said that the trial broke him down completely and he could never be his old self again.

    And all this blood is on the hands of the Arvizos and people like Dimond and Bashir. They will never be able to wash it off their hands unless they publicly repent for what they did.


  241. Elke Hassell permalink
    April 18, 2013 1:36 am

    OH man sanemjfan – that took some real control of anger to read all this. I had no idea. Thank you so much for all your work. I am literally feeling sick right now.


  242. Elke Hassell permalink
    April 18, 2013 1:47 am

    It just makes me wonder “who paid for all their education”, a family full of corruption, deceit, fraudsters of wellfare checks, and yet able to go to University!!! Does that not make it look like they were paid off by the same people that are openly embracing them now! I think may be some investigation into their finances might be appropriate


  243. April 18, 2013 1:59 am

    Zonen and the family adopted and educated those boys as damage control.
    Who knows what they would have ended up doing otherwise..


  244. April 18, 2013 4:19 pm

    “It just makes me wonder “who paid for all their education”, a family full of corruption, deceit, fraudsters of wellfare checks, and yet able to go to University!!! Does that not make it look like they were paid off by the same people that are openly embracing them now!” -Elke

    Kaarin is right. The prosecution side is taking care of Arvizo boys as damage control for fear they tell the truth one day. Even if Gavin wanted to tell it he would not do it, at least out of the feeling of gratitude towards his benefactors.

    The longer I live the less I understand people. I cannot understand how people can lie so much and still respect themselves, how they can live their lives knowing that they inflicted so much pain on another person. It doesn’t concern only the Arvizos, but all those who choose lies and abuse of others as their guiding spirit. There are so many examples of it all around us, so much injustice. I don’t know how God is enduring all this.


  245. sanemjfan permalink
    November 3, 2013 11:10 am

    Here’s some new info on Gavin Arvizo:


  246. Molest LIE permalink
    May 3, 2014 5:46 pm

    what for a BIG BASTARD!!!PIG!


  247. December 28, 2014 1:44 am

    wu bro this is a community of michael jackson. check it out



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