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How to Recognize and Refute the Fallacies Used By Michael Jackson Haters, Part 5 of 5

November 23, 2011

I will close out this series by examining the well-intentioned but ineffective ways that fans try to defend Michael Jackson. Also, take note: you can follow me on Twitter @sanemjfan.

Now that we have dealt with how to handle MJ haters, let’s take a look at how some fans, despite their well intentions, have truly dropped the ball in vindicating MJ by using some of these same fallacies in their defense. Let’s take a look at some of the most widely used defenses by fans (I won’t repeat the definitions here):

Name-calling and Ad hominem arguments: A crucial mistake that I see many fans making is attacking anyone who is skeptical about MJ’s innocence as a “hater”, and that’s why I differentiated between a hater and a skeptic in the first part of this series. Calling someone names is very immature and childish, and will get you nowhere. If you want people to respect your views on MJ, you must conduct yourself as a mature adult who is capable of engaging civil dialogue with someone who doesn’t agree with you, instead of having a temper-tantrum like a two-year old who doesn’t get his way. That argument goes both ways! We can’t reduce ourselves down the level that most MJ haters reside!

Another mistake that I have heard over and over again is when fans reference MJ’s childlike personality or charitable endeavors when discussing the allegations.  When you make that argument, you give the impression that you are just some “crazy, rabid” fan who is so “in love” with MJ that they don’t want to take the time to thoroughly research the facts, so instead you have to try and tug at people’s heartstrings and get them to feel sorry for MJ. This is no different than the parade of so-called “character witnesses” that have testified for Conrad Murray! No matter how nice he was to them, and no matter how many lives he saved, it doesn’t excuse what happened on June 25th, 2009, and whatever good deeds MJ accomplished cannot and will not ever rebut the allegations; only the presentation of exculpatory evidence through sound research into the facts will do that.

Ad hominem and name calling attacks can also be classified as red herrings, non sequitur attacks, and snow jobs, which were discussed in part 4.

Let’s look at what this legal analyst – a true analyst, not an entertainer! – Tamara Holder had to say about MJ after his death. She met him briefly in 2007 at a birthday party for Rev.Jesse Jackson:

What’s truly sad is that her husband was the late, great Tim Russert, a highly respected political journalist and host of “Meet The Press”, and when he died there was an outpouring of prayers, condolences, and well-wishes from all over the world. Yet, she couldn’t extend that same courtesy to the Jackson family? She truly showed how callous, heartless, and classless she really is! And let me be clear about something: when she went on that show to make those comments, it was 100% premeditated! It’s not like she was already scheduled to be a guest on the show, and just happened to be asked about MJ’s death; she got up to be on that set when the show aired at 6:00am on Friday, June 26th, 2009 so that she could spew her venom at MJ while the fan community’s wounds were still fresh.

And if you think Orth’s views on MJ have changed over the last few years, think again! Here is an excerpt from an article written about her on March 15th, 2011:

Orth became a special correspondent in 1993 and since then has interviewed countless celebrities and political figures such as Vladimir Putin, Margaret Thatcher, Madonna and Michael Jackson.

Orth commented on how the increasing accessibility of celebrity news and the pervasiveness of the internet largely contribute to “one besotted planet feeling that connection to celebrity.”

“The celebrity industrial complex has grown rapidly like the fallout of the atomic bomb,” Orth said, giving the example of how Michael Jackson “was so addicted to fame he was willing to dangle his baby out the window.”

Michael Jackson was a subject of particular interest for Orth. Over a period of 12 years she interviewed hundreds of people concerning him and wrote a series of five investigative pieces about his life. This included investigations into his career, drug addictions, accusations of child molestation, the resulting trial and his death.

As you can clearly see, the authors of this article used the “blind loyalty” fallacy to trick gullible readers into thinking that her “research” is above reproach. They emphasize the title of “special correspondent” (as if that means anything), and the fact that she interviewed “hundreds” of people about MJ (which they fail to mention that those “hundreds” of people included Victor Gutierrez, the Hayvenhurst 5, the Neverland 5, Ray Chandler, former advisors who had been fired, etc.)

Even when she writes about her charitable endeavors with the Peace Corps, she STILL cannot miss an opportunity to throw in MJ’s name and bash him for no reason! Here is what she wrote in an LA Times op-ed on February 25th, 2011:

Just trying to fit in at any level as one constantly has to do in the Peace Corps has served me in good stead, whether I was listening to heartbreaking tales of naive, star-struck parents allowing their little boys to spend too much time with Michael Jackson or uncovering Arianna Huffington’s fierce loyalty and reliance on her odd guru, John-Roger, to cite just two examples.

See what I mean? There she goes again, playing the “phantom victim” card! She and her buddy Diane Dimond spoke to all those parents who were sooooooo afraid of pressing charges against MJ for fear of media attention, but they were brave enough to tell (or possibly sell?) their stories to two tabloid journalists? Gimme a break!

Let’s look at some examples of how some fans have valiantly tried to defend MJ by discussing his childlike personality, and how it has backfired and been misconstrued! Once again, here is Bill O’Reilly’s interview with Rep. Peter King, and let’s listen to what they say at 4:00:

O’Reilly tried to play “devil’s advocate” by asking King to react to fans’ defenses (or as he perceived it, excuses) of MJ’s behavior by saying “the people who know Jackson say that he was the product of an arrested development, and he was a child in his own mind, and I think that speaks to the way that he conducted his life. He was not an adult in an emotional way.” He then goes on to MISQUOTE MJ by saying that MJ said that he “slept with children only because he loved them and wanted to be close to them, and there was no sexuality involved.” (Michael NEVER said this! He merely said he gave the bed to the kids when they asked for it.)

As you can see from King’s reaction, he wasn’t having it! To him, it sounded like a copout from some crazy fan, and he completely dismissed it. That is the last thing you want a hater or skeptic to do! Your defense of MJ must be unassailable, and King cut through that argument like a hot knife through butter! What most fans don’t realize is that when you say things like that about MJ’s personality, it doesn’t exonerate him; instead, it makes him look even MORE guilty because skeptics and haters are likely to believe that he truly did abuse children, but out of ignorance or curiosity instead of a sexual desire!

Think about this: when quack psychologist Stanly Katz described MJ as a “regressed 10-year-old” to a police detective in a taped phone interview, did that exonerate MJ of the allegations, in their minds? Of course not! The cop sat there and acknowledged that he AGREED with Katz, and yet the so-called “investigation” continued!    Here is an excerpt:

In a taped June 2003 telephone interview, Katz, 55, gave a Santa Barbara sheriff’s investigator his “off the record” opinion of the 46-year-old entertainer.

Jackson, Katz told Det. Paul Zelis, “is a guy that’s like a 10-year-old child. And, you know, he’s doing what a 10-year-old would do with his little buddies. You know, they’re gonna jack off, watch movies, drink wine, you know.

And, you know, he doesn’t even really qualify as a pedophile. He’s really just this regressed 10-year-old.”

“Yeah, yeah, I agree,” replied Zelis.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/jackson-case-psychologist

Whenever you’re discussing (or arguing) with someone about the “he sleeps with kids” issue, follow Mesereau’s example! Let’s look at what he said shortly after the trial, beginning at 4:50:

Notice that all he did was refute the myth that MJ didn’t have girls around, and he clarified the facts, and THAT’S IT. He didn’t sit there and give MJ a mental diagnosis as if he was MJ’s personal psychiatrist! That is ALL you have to do! Just debunk the myths, state the facts, stay away from giving a psychiatric evaluation of MJ, and you’ll be fine! Because, as you have already seen, the “he never had a childhood” spiel can get twisted and distorted very easily!

And not only that, but when you “misdiagnose” MJ ‘s personality like that, it validates that belief that some people have of MJ being “mentally disturbed”, and therefore not deserving of any honor or respect!

Here’s another example: Jermaine’s well-intentioned but awful interview with Piers Morgan. Let’s listen to how he described MJ allowing kids to sleep in his bed, beginning at 3:15:

And in case that video is ever deleted, here’s the transcript:

MORGAN: I remember — I remember all that. And it just always struck me that I didn’t know enough about the reality of the truth, certainly not in the position that you were. It just seemed to me that Michael, he did stuff that was — to the public, just looked a bit inappropriate, especially as he got older. Did you ever think as his big brother of warning him, it may not be a good idea to have sleep-overs with young boys, because people won’t get it? They won’t understand what you’re doing.

JACKSON: See, but I’m the same way, because what’s wrong with sleep- overs? What’s wrong with sleep-overs with — with kids? It’s only the demented mind that thinks something different. It’s like Michael said it best, why do you — why do you relate the bed to sex? We can have sex standing up. We can have sex in the car, outside, on the ground. And during those times when he was sharing his bed, he was on the floor. But at the same time, these are people’s minds who were demented. Like they were saying Neverland was used to bring in kids and to molest them. And when you go to Neverland, the wheelchair ramp going up to the rides. He was concerned about bringing the joy to kids who were terminally ill, who were dying of all types of diseases. This is — this is a man who lived his life according to God’s will. This is a man who really cared about people. And it’s so sad, because this world didn’t look at that until after he was dead. And he was trying to say this all along while he was alive.

MORGAN: But when you watched the Martin Bashir interview, the infamous interview, clearly Michael did that to try and set the record straight, and, if anything, made it 10 times worse. When you watched that, what did you feel about that interview?

JACKSON: Well, first of all, Martin Bashir needs to be slapped and he never should have been around Michael. And there again, Michael trusted. And — and see, why this — there’s a question for us, why does people in the media want to say the most horrible things about someone, knowing that they have all the right intentions to do good?

MORGAN: I guess the answer, if I’m putting my media hat back on, because I worked in newspapers at the time of all that, is that it’s not normal — I use that word in, you know, just in a straightforward way — for a guy of, say, 44, to be sharing a bed with a boy of 12. That — it’s not what most men of 44 do. So when the public hear about this —

JACKSON: But how do you know that? 

MORGAN: — or the media —

JACKSON: How do you know that?

MORGAN: I just —

JACKSON: How do you know that?

MORGAN: I just guess — I don’t anybody like that.

JACKSON: No, but you can’t just guess, because see, that happens all over the world and people don’t think of that as people

MORGAN: But do you believe that?

JACKSON: Yes. Yes.

MORGAN: You do?

JACKSON: Absolutely. Absolutely.

MORGAN: I don’t think it does.

JACKSON: Yes, it does, because —

MORGAN: And I’m not casting aspersion over Michael. I’m saying I don’t think it does happen all over the world. Was Michael too innocent for this modern world, do you think?

JACKSON: Absolutely.

MORGAN: You really believe that, that he was just from a different era?

JACKSON: He was from the era that — that we were from. I wish that we were around him more to tell him, Michael, get this person away from you because they have a hidden agenda, whether it was the — all the people who accused him of — of the — of the child molestation, but at the same time, he saw the good in people, the good.

Oh boy, where do I start? Yes, I know Jermaine loves his brother, and tried to defend him the best way he could, but (to use a baseball analogy) he completely struck out! Just imagine if he said that to Bill O’Reilly instead of Piers Morgan, who was very easy on him! O’Reilly would have eaten him alive! He would have pounced on Jermaine’s “what’s wrong with sleepovers with kids?” comment by saying You set yourself up to be accused of misconduct, that’s what’s wrong!

When you compare Mesereau’s eloquence to Jermaine’s inarticulateness, the results couldn’t be more disparate! 

Just imagine what a skeptic would say after watching that clip? They would say “If MJ and his family felt that cavalierly about him sharing his bed/bedroom, especially after what happened in 1993, then he got what he deserved! I’m so sick of these lunatic, crazy, rabid MJ fans telling me that I’m supposed to care about clearing his legacy, and getting justice for his murder!”

This mentality is something that conservative commentator Matt Drudge discussed on his radio show in 2005, and at 7:56 he gave a valid reason why people should care!

At the very moment they’re making this wonderful video, and they said they were coached, the problem is the guy making the video was German, and he barely spoke English! How did he coach them for an hour and tape the whole thing? This is a disaster! Sneddon is a disaster, as far as I can tell. And you can say Why do you care so much about this Drudge? What’s in it for me? Why should I be worried about Michael Jackson? Every time I see his face I get creeped out, the music sucks, maybe if he gets back with Quincy Jones we’ll listen again”, you know, that whole rap.  Because what can happen to an individual, when you have overzealous prosecutors in this country, is frightening! And this is the story of the Michael Jackson case, in my opinion. 100 search warrants. Photos of his genitalia and his arse. And I know many of you don’t want to think of Michael Jackson in those terms.  But Sneddon photographed his privates! Sneddon did! And if he did it to Michael Jackson, he could do it to you! Think about that!

Drudge is 10,000% correct in his assertions! It truly is frightening what can happen when not only overzealous prosecutors, but corrupt judges and police officers too, decide they want to make an example out of somebody for their own personal gain! And if you don’t believe me, then go ask those Duke Lacrosse players!

So, in closing, when you defend MJ, just stick to the facts, remember those questions and talking points that I gave you in a previous post, avoid using the fallacies that I’ve discussed in this series, and follow Mesereau’s example whenever you discuss MJ’s bed sharing, and you’ll be able to hold your own against any MJ hater or skeptic!

Now, let’s end this series on a happy note! Over the past 2 and a half years, I’ve heard nearly every ridiculous excuse as to why MJ is guilty, and I’m at a point now that whenever someone tries to convince me that MJ is guilty, the video below perfectly illustrates all that I hear!

  

And I also experience the same physical reaction that Peppermint Patty experienced in the clip, too!

15 Comments leave one →
  1. May 28, 2012 11:09 pm

    The all against The One only – Michael JACKSON.
    Why Michael JACKSON was a nice person so enviable?
    Why Michael JACKSON was a geneous person so enviable?
    Why Michael JACKSON was a beautiful man so enviable?
    Why Michael JACKSON was one of the most loved by the world so enviable?
    Because He had extensive power and stronger than anyone that is the power of love to the entire planet Earth.
    Because He was born into a poor family not only that is black.
    And then He has become one of the most famous, brilliant and billionaire.
    *******
    Michael,
    the world is not the same without you.
    We love you, miss you.
    Yoshimi

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  2. cawobeth permalink
    January 16, 2012 9:00 pm

    Like the author, I am not insensitive to fans expressing adoration for Michael . To have feelings is a good thing. This is how our intentions to take a stand for Michael are stirred. However, it comes down to how we deal with & express our feelings.
    What was said here, needed to be said because we have more work ahead and this mission of MJ innocence advocacy must be pro-active & productive. ♥

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  3. cawobeth permalink
    January 16, 2012 8:44 pm

    wow David. I commend you for elaborating on WHY fans need to consistently back their standing up for MJ and truth with facts. Notice that say “standing up for MJ…” not “defend” Michael.
    We must be on the offense, as you speak of with your examples. We shouldn’t be out here defending Michael anyway because the facts, which prove his innocence, have been out for years now. We work to re-expose the facts. Facts, facts, facts.

    Feelings are not facts. For any fans who may be offended by what is said here, too bad.
    People need to learn how to express what; how and when, to who, appropriately. Feelings are to be shared amongst friends & there are plenty of fellow MJ fans to share feelings with.
    I have implored fans to please back comments with a factual reference to what they say.

    Suzy, we must simply work to remind others the crucial value(s) of proceeding with MJ innocence advocacy such as awakening people to how we are lied to daily by media.
    Media divides people, by deliberately causing controversy for ratings, which is very harmful
    for a world that is in such great need of healing. MJ’s messages are so needed & until he is believed in, as a man of sound integrity, the doubters will not take his words seriously. He echos the words of Dr. King and is so needed be regarded as a power of example rather than a person suspect of such awful wrong-doings.

    Kris, good question. There are some of us out here who help people to do this. Until the author has a chance to respond, allow me to suggest that when you compose such a response…. First, identify what specific part of what you read you are responding to, then state your case, then provide a factual reference to back what you say. This is what I usually do when I have the opportunity.

    Yes, standing up for Michael’s truth IS opportunity. His legacy matters. Is this not the least we can do for a man who has given so much and the future of his children ?

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  4. sanemjfan permalink
    November 24, 2011 11:38 am

    @Truth Prevail
    The other civil lawsuit was with Blanca and Jason Francia. Read this post for more information: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/analyzing-the-media’s-hypocrisy-in-reporting-on-michael-jackson’s-settlements-vs-the-settlements-of-other-celebrities-part-1/

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  5. Truth Prevail permalink
    November 24, 2011 4:14 am

    hmm it says michael had 2 civil lawsuits one was chandler but what was the other one?

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  6. November 24, 2011 3:23 am

    BJ, you hit it on the nail.These kinds of mass-hysteria( and strictly speaking it is not hysteria,it is projective identification;
    ie you project your own forbidden impulses onto someone else and then proceed to punish the other for these qualities severely. This is an unconscious process and can become something of an obsession.) Read Aldous Huxleys;
    The Devils of Luodun .These devils were very sexy ;poor women had been imprisoned in monasteries as they had not been married off and the families did not know what to do with them. So it is that many people deal with what is forbidden in them and on top feel superior morally.

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  7. November 24, 2011 2:06 am

    This quote goes well with societies attitude towards MJ: “A witch-hunt was traditionally a search for witches or evidence of witchcraft, which could lead to a witchcraft trial involving the accused person. Today such events are recognised as a type of moral panic. Witchhunts still occur in the modern era, in the sense that ignorant or uneducated people, isolated peoples, or people living a traditional lifestyle may persecute people that they believe are witches.”

    http://www.experiencefestival.com/witch-hunt_-_day_care_sex_abuse scandal

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  8. Maria permalink
    November 24, 2011 12:23 am

    Mr. Tom Mesereau – nobility, wisdom, good heart, open mind. The great man defended the great man.

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  9. anniedomino permalink
    November 23, 2011 10:17 pm

    Maureen Orth is my “pet hate”. I despise her more than Dimond. Because she masquerades as a “serious journalist”. And she just comes across as a humourless, judgmental, hateful person. I wonder why she is so hateful towards Michael. It is one thing to believe he is a cm, it is another thing to actively go out on the day after his death and spew hate. What kind of twisted human being does that. Even if you think someone is a serial killer you let their family bury them in peace. The woman has serious issues.

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  10. November 23, 2011 7:06 pm

    @ Suzy, I abslutely agree with what you’re saying below. It’s not just another celebrity issue – it’s a human issue.

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  11. Suzy permalink
    November 23, 2011 4:47 pm

    Unfortunately too many people say “Why should I care about Michael Jackson? He’s dead, let’s move on.”

    But I agree with Matt Drudge that you should care about what happened to MJ even if you are not a fan. It’s not about liking him or not liking him, it’s about how a fellow human being was treated and society’s part in it. Because it’s not just about what Sneddon did to him (though that in itself should disturb everyone), but also what the media and basically our post-modern society did to a man just because he was different. It’s a mirror to our 21st century society. And we should be worried about what we see in it.

    Until these subjects aren’t processed and discussed properly, until people would rather just shrug and “move on” and say “why should I care?” there will never be and never should be a closure over this.

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  12. November 23, 2011 3:37 pm

    This may not really belong here, but I have been wondering re Jordan´s psychotherapy. I know that Rothman advised Evan to take Jordan to psychiatrist Mathis Abrams, who was an obligatory reporter of suspicion of child abuse. Note suspicion.That way Evans name was not the initiator.Later that year Jordan and both parents were interviewed by Dr. Gardener of the Columbia Univ. in NYC. The interview with Jordan can be read on the web or this blog.In this context it is sometimes mentioned that Jordan was alredy in therapy. With whom? Dr Abrahms or Dr Katz or nobody? Katz&Feldman weres signifant actors in the final
    solution of this sorry story.

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  13. November 23, 2011 3:23 pm

    David, congratulations on a very well written series. I especially liked this last one. The peppermint patty video at the end is priceless.

    Thanks for all the hard work you put into it and for putting it up for all of us to benefit from.

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  14. November 23, 2011 11:24 am

    Thank you, Sanemjfan. Your comments and advice have been well taken. I got most of your advice, early on, but I’m not ashamed to admit that I’ve got lots of work to do.

    Very much appreciate what you’re doing.

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  15. November 23, 2011 9:52 am

    Tom Mesereau has been an untiring, committed advocate for Michael. I appreciate the many interviews he gave and questions he answered over the years, never once wavering about his message that Michael was innocent and that the prosecution didn’t have a case, and that the jury considered the facts and came to the only logical conclusion–not guilty. I like the way he describes Michael’s bedroom. Most people still do not realize that it was a two-story room with a large sitting area below. Frank Cascio did a great job describing that space in his book. This has been an enlightening series, except– I would love it if you included a couple of examples of your own dialogue with haters and skeptics and how you kept your cool and convinced them with indisputable facts. Could you, please? We’ve seen examples of how to do it wrong. We need more templates of how to do it right. Thank you!

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