For the attention of Michael Jackson’s Topix haters
There is one thing I need to announce.
Some of our readers who have been to a Topix forum say to me that our names – VMJ, vindicatemj, sanemjfan, Lynette and Helena – are being used there in various combinations for saying terrible things about Michael or about each of us.
I regard it as a sign of haters’ growing despair and the last straw they are grasping at. Using our names against Michael seems to be the last and only remaining argument they have.
Since words like “vindicate” or “helena” are used as part of some Topix haters’ names (see “vindicationfailedforwacko” or “Helena the hater” for ex.) our readers should also know another thing.
I have NEVER written anything in the Topix forum as speaking to these people is unfortunately useless.
If they show any signs of turning human again I will certainly try to give them a helping hand to get them out of the hell they are living in – but at the moment they seem to feel comfortable enough while residing there.
So needless to say, WHATEVER has been written in the Topix forum in my or my co-admins’ names has absolutely no connection to us and our views.
If readers see anything against Michael Jackson said in the names resembling ours, please immediately inform us about it as we have no time to follow the Topix closely.
However in addition to using our names for trying to compromise us in the eyes of the fan community, the Topix haters are also making outrageously slanderous and even criminal statements against the admins of this blog!
This is what they are currently writing:
Vindicationfailedforwacko
Danbury,CT
One never has to worry about a floon be out in public ever. All one has to do is google them and their they are slobbering on the net 24/7-365 over a dead pedophile junky. Tracking any flunatic is as easy since they never leave the net not even to bathe. Gross. Especially pedo Dave (insanemjfan). He needs to be tracked. Danger to children and/or society in general. Wait, Lynette might be worse. Torn. There’s also a Suzie.. old hag with pig tails. Fashion don’t. That’s her crime besides ignorance. Then there is Hair Helena obsessing about voo doo dolls.
This is who wacko has fans? Nice huh? LMAO Sick like he was.
When haters claim we are fools or fanatics or rabid and so on, I never pay attention because making personal attacks is the weapon of the weak.
But when they start making outrageous innuendos like the above this is becoming really TOO MUCH.
Over here haters have absolutely crossed the line of the acceptable. Making such insinuations is not only inappropriate but it is also totally illegal and even CRIMINAL.
You have also probably noticed that they mentioned Suzy’s name who is currently not an admin, but is also – like all of us – speaking strongly against pedophilia.
Mentioning her name was a strategic mistake the haters made.
The fact that out of all our readers they selected only one reader who is fighting pedophilia as strongly as the admins of this blog do – she has even made two anti-pedophile posts as a guest writer here and here – shows that Michael’s haters are highly selective in their hatred and choose only those who are voicing their protest against pedophiles.
And this makes me wonder about who these people are…
The method the Topix haters have chosen does not surprise me in the least. First they trashed Michael for what he never did, and now they are using absolutely the same method against Michael’s advocates.
A certain “vindicationfailedforwacko” is stepping up his effort in harassing our admin ‘sanemjfan’:
Vindicationfailedforwacko
Danbury, CT
“jim-wrote: <quoted text> Oh there is a video that will surface someday proving MJ was a sick and behaved improperly with young boys! I will say “I TOLD YOU SO !!!”
There already is one. Why do you think pedophile wacko paid? Not that a floon would care. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about themselves. Who you kidding? These floons are insane. Why are you trying to talk sense into the senseless? They excuse away all sick behavior. Makes ya wonder who they are luring into their beds. My research on the floons is revealing some pretty sick behavior they twat about under many accounts. Dave, sanemjfan trying to lure little boys onto his site is very revealing for sure. Aaaaaak! Gunna hurl!
And this is another of this hater’s slanderous statements, which in my opinion calls for really serious action:
Vindicationfailedforwacko
Danbury,CT
hater central…sanemjfan (insane child molester) spammer. Google tells all his foul hate and his love to diddle little boys.
Dear co-eds, you know your legislation better than I do, so whatever legal methods there are we should surely use them to defend our good names.
We never take part in any harassment campaigns – even against Michael’s haters, and you know it very well yourselves, so I am repeating this maxim for our readers only. Harassing is absolutely NOT a method of ours.
But we are the people whose biggest asset is our GOOD REPUTATION and we cannot tolerate our names to be trashed in such an outrageous manner.
Therefore I DEMAND that the hater who calls himself “vindicationfailedforwacko” APOLOGIZES to our sanemjfan and Lynette PUBLICLY and writes a disclaimer on the Topix forum concerning ALL SLANDEROUS statements about my co-eds.
Otherwise we will be compelled to take action to defend our good names.
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I’ve just realized that in order to pass over this statement to the Topix haters I need to go there and inform them of it, thus breaking my own rule never to write at Topix. Hopefully this will be the first and last time I do it.
Here is what I am sending them:
For the attention of “vindicationfailedforwacko”:
I am the admin of vindicatemj.wordpress.com blog and am writing here for the first and hopefully last time.
My readers tell me that you are not only trashing Michael Jackson’s innocent name as your usual fashion is, but you are also splashing dirt in the faces of my co-eds.
The things you are writing about sanemjfan, Lynette and our blog in general are absolutely outrageous.
I am referring to the heavily slanderous statements you’ve made in the followings posts:
You know very well that you are harassing totally innocent people who have never done any harm to you or anyone at all.
The goal of vindicatemj blog is to clean Michael Jackson’s name of the mud haters were pouring on him for too long.
Another goal of the blog is to uncover REAL pedophiles who might be standing behind the life-long harassment of Michael Jackson as some materials we have found are indeed pointing in this direction.
These materials have been published in our blog and are exposing the intentions of pedophile criminals against Michael AND children who are actually the prime target of these people.
We intend to go on with our anti-pedophilia campaign.
Of course we are opponents of Michael Jackson’s haters. But we never take part in any harassment campaigns against you or anyone as it is absolutely not method of ours. Michael has taught us to be different and seek excellence in research as the only method for asserting ourselves.
But we are also people who cannot afford to have our good reputation trashed in so outrageous a manner in which it is being done now by you and other haters in this forum.
You probably understand that by saying all those things in the posts linked above you absolutely crossed the line of the acceptable. The innuendos you are throwing at us are really TOO MUCH for us to put up with and can no longer be tolerated.
Therefore I DEMAND that you apologize to our sanemjfan, Lynette and me PUBLICLY for the terrible things you’ve said about us and write a disclaimer to each of the slanderous statements you’ve made in your posts.
We expect your public apology to the vindication team to be made in the nearest possible time.
Meanwhile we will be looking into the possibility to file a complaint about your posts, should you fail to make a public apology for your slander.
VINDICATEMJ
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Though Topix CEO Chris Tolles claims that their site does not censor anyone and is a platform for free speech, as of Sunday, Jan. 15 my above post “for the attention of “vindicationfailedforwacko” made on Saturday, Jan.14 has NOT appeared for the public view yet.
It has been shadow banned.
“Shadow” means that I can see it, while you cannot – and both of us are wondering what the hell is going on and who is cheating here.
I am afraid that it is the Topix hosts who are making fun of both of us.
You can make an experiment and check up the link to the post yourself: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/michael-jackson/TT0HL35MEM85U55NT
If you cannot see it, don’t worry about your eye-sight – your eyes are okay, it is simply the post which is invisible.
To prove that it is there, here is its screen shot the way I see it:
And I thought that you in the US had freedom of speech…
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By now I’ve spent some time in the Topix forum in some threads dedicated to us and don’t know whether to cry or laugh.
It seems that they are taking me for ‘sanemjfan’ and now I am not sure who they are insulting in their forum – David or me. Evidently both. As well as Lynette and Suzy.
Though I should feel hurt that they are accusing me of things like “luring little boys” into this blog, I actually feel a little flattered because considering all the mistakes I make in my English I could never dream to be ever taken for an American.
The stories the Topix haters tell about us are absolutely incredible. I’ve learned a lot of interesting things about myself and even made screen shots of them for record-keeping.
It turns out that we are harassing the Arvizos and have been doing it for two years (I wish I had so much free time…). We are following haters we know nothing of all over the internet and leave pages of comments about them (I wonder what we saying there?). As a result of that they want to shoot us between our eyes (or we want to shoot them, I actually didn’t quite get it).
It is surprising, but the haters’ nasty fairy tale about the authors in this blog is continuing the subject I raised in the previous post.
I mean the one where Michael Jackson is quoted saying:
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“Press coverage of my life is like [watching] a fictitious movie…like watching science fiction. It’s not true.” .
And now we are reading a similar kind of science fiction about ourselves.
Why do I feel honored instead of being hurt?
Here are only some specimen of their science fiction about us – they come from a special “freaks at vindicatemj” thread: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/michael-jackson/TQ0B1BH3L5AOCB9DA/p5
Surprisingly, the hater named “Murray is a hero” (!) lives in the same place as hater “vindicationfailedforwacko”. Could be a coincidence though:
Murray is a hero
Danbury, CT
“mental misfit vindicatemj changed her nic to sanemjfan..as if that is true. Anyone who says they wants to shoot people between their eyes is a sick, sick person. Stalking is a crime. You’re about to learn the hard way… Find the freaks here…
THREE STOOGES (DIMOND, GUTIERREZ, AND ALLEN), by Turning the table on Chandlers blog
Vindicating Michael 
And now everyone knows that you are an idiot.
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Everyone knows its common knowledge that mike jackson molested the children. And now he’s dead. The children are safe.
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Dr Brian Talarico, North Bay Has been convicted of child molestation, an possession of child pornography on his computer. Sexually molesting a young boy… He had previous convictions for child molestation in 1990 and 2001. After his parole in 2006, Dr. Talarico Brian Works for North Bay Regional Health Centre, and elsewhere… despite his background, and numerous complaints against him of abuse, fraud, negligence, and imprisonment.
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“Those fans need to realize, you can’t fight hate with more hate.”
This is true.
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@Marcella Perillo
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I will never go there once again
I understand that. Any site that just spews hate like that isn’t worth my time or comments. There are people that will actually converse with you and and hear what you are saying. They’re worth talking to . These guys aren’t.
Off the track a little, but years ago I was in a chat room and one guy pissed everyone off attacking everybody there and they were all fighting with him. He began attacking me and somehow I got him into a private chat, or he got me into it, I don’t remember, but away from the public we chatted for a long time that night and he at some point got serious. We had a really good talk, no abuse, just a really good conversation and he was cool.
I still don’t know why he did all the attacking of everybody on that site and probably a lot of others, but I never saw him in that chat room again. He was playing a game and thought it was funny that he could piss people off and get a fight going. A lot of people like to play with others emotions, and that’s what I see on sites like topix. I’m sure the administrators have an agenda, against MJ, but a lot of the posters are just playing their own mind games, and being used by the administrators, and they don’t realize it. The administrators are probably laughing at all those posters, and love seeing the fans attack back. We have to be above that. I believe most of us are, but I see so many fans lowering themselves to the same standards of hate and name calling and it breaks my heart every time I see fans spewing the same hate as the haters.
Those fans need to realize, you can’t fight hate with more hate.
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“I just came upon the Franklin case scenario. It made me sick and nauseus and too exhausted to even write a post on it at this time. I am sure you are right in that Michael was chosen as a surrogate culprit to divert public interest.”
Kaarin, what makes the Franklin case terribly different is that it is probably the only one where the accusers were both found (by the Grand jury) to be real victims AND were accused of slander as the jury thought that the people against whom the charges were made were not responsible for it.
It is also a very rare case when two out of four accusers were jailed for very long terms for “perjury”. One of those two was a proven molester himself, but the whole thing for him started when he was molested by the same people. The remaining two victims were pressurized so much that they recanted their evidence. One of those witnesses is now dead.
What is also extremely strange is that the person against whom the girl spoke out was found to be a child molester, only he molested two other boys (and was jailed for that), however his guilt did not prevent the girl from being jailed for “perjury”. In other words he was a molester, only they thought that he didn’t molest her.
The only point which raises a red flag for me in this case is that the Senator who is now writing about it refers to the epidemic of child abuse at the end of 80s and early 90s and “satanic rituals” all over the country as if they were real (which we know now are not) – so this does raise some questions.
It is very difficult to tell real child abuse cases from fake ones but I would very much like to find out what the Franklin case was like, because if it was real it could have been enormous motivation for diverting public attention from real criminals to a surrogate culprit – MJ.
Here is Michael Corbin’s interview with photographer Russell Nelson who found himself involved in this business. By the time he realized it was illegitimate it was too late to get out of it:
The date of the above interview is interesting. It was made on 4-12-2005 which I read as April 12, 2005 (if I am not mistaken). Everyone was talking about Michael Jackson then, and this information must have gone unnoticed. The author of the video says it is the only copy left, because as soon as he posted the original, his computer network was “wiped out”.
The radio host, Michael Corbin died in 2008 of a massive stroke. I don’t know who he is but he was called in this article (http://www.freerangehumans.net/blog/franklin/rusty-nelson/176) the greatest American truth patriot:
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VMJ, I just came upon the Franklin case scenario. It made me sick and nauseus and too exhausted to even write a post on it at this time. I am sure you are right in that Michael was chosen as a surrogate culprit to divert public interest.
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@Linda : exactly.
actually few days ago,i went there (it happened to me in the past(years ago) to go there )and apart the crazy things that they wrote about vindicatemj’s staff, i was againg really shocked when i saw 2 otherthings:
a fan being called p***y and so on, and another fan being slandered just because he / she opened a treat for the fans with a video.
Regarding this episode, someone else(not a fan i think) who(apparently) use to write on another topix’s forum came in his/her defense to remember to that one who slandered the fan, that for the freedom of speech he/she (the fan) could post the video and no one was forced to open the tread if not interested.
I will never go there once again-
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@Marcella Perillo
Topix is a toxic website full of idiots!
I agree. I spent less than 15 minutes there and couldn’t even bring myself to make a comment to any of them. Why would anyone feel the need to vent all that ugly crap with no proof of anything? The short time I was there made me sick to my stomach. There is no rhyme or reason to their rantings, so I can’t talk to people like that, because they don’t want to reason, or understand. It’s a game to them, and I hate mind games because nobody wins.
The sane people actually seek for the truth and find it. Those people on toxic that I read just want to incite an argument. That’s their life, and they probably use a lot of different names and post on all kinds of topics all over the net trying to piss people off. That’s their goal in life. Sad for them, but that’s all they have to do with their life.
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Topix is a toxic website full of idiots!
Yeah because only idiots would spend their time bashing on someone who is dead and that they do not like,and saying that fans are blind and losers and need help, without understanding that in truth they are describing themself.
Plus wishing some else to die ….says a lot about them.
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Here is a documentary film about the Franklin case. It seemed to me that some parts of the scenario against Michael Jackson were written on the basis of this story:
http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=17&Itemid=12
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In addition to what I’ve already said about the Franklin child-abuse case here are some more details.
The accidental death of the chief investigator Gary Cardori was not the only death associated with that case. In fact there were 15 suspicious deaths among the main witnesses. The book by Senator John DeCamp, called “The Franklin Cover-up”, provides the list:
16. Senator John DeCamp didn’t include in the list one of the key witnesses in the case who died in 2003 – Troy Boner [the one who recanted his evidence]. He arrived at a New Mexico hospital; the next day he was found dead in his hospital room.
http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=9
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“It will never make any sense to me why all of this was allowed to happen!”
Julie, now that I’ve studied the Franklin child-abuse case I think that it might be the key to why Michael was harassed so relentlessly for something he didn’t do.
I think that to many of us it is clear that both cases (Chandler’s and Arvizo’s) were a set-up. The immediate reason for people’s actions was money, but the confident way all those people were acting in total accord and unanimity – the media, local authorities, civil lawyer, false accusers and witnesses, authors of slanderous books, numerous people who sued Michael for some fictional copyrights just at the same time – all this makes me think that these people knew that they would go unpunished. This happens only when all sorts of opportunists feel a strong lobby behind their backs. When people know they can have a free hand and they will never answer for it, they show themselves at their worst.
This repeated itself in history many times over, so we can do without any examples here.
Why I mentioned it in connection with the Franklin child-abuse case, is because I think that some prominent figures wanted to distract people’s attention from themselves and create a much bigger scandal to overshadow theirs. The dates coincide – the Chandlers’ case broke out exactly at the time when someone wanted to hush up the Franklin case – in 1990-94.
I have found a huge pile of information about this case. Here is only a small bit of it, but it does show the glaring difference in the way real criminals and the innocent man were treated by the legal system and the media.
You have noticed that the Grand Jury indicted one of those prominent men, Alan Baer, for “pandering” teenagers (there was a dispute whether a 16 year old is an adult or not, and when the whole thing started).
Definition of pandering: a person who furnishes clients for a prostitute or supplies persons for illicit sexual intercourse; procurer; pimp. However despite the above Alan Baer was treated like a respectable citizen until his dying day! When I read articles like the one below I understand that something is terribly wrong here. The short of it:
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Linda, what you are doing is probably the best approach to handling Michael’s issues with doubters – a quiet confidence and a laugh on our part at seeing their raised eyebrows. And being stern despite all those laughs. The game is played on Michael’s terms now.
Thank God I was never a hater either and this is the only thought that gives me a little comfort.
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I have a lot of hero’s on the net vindication Michael, but this is still my main site that I go to. Yes I do feel the same way. I look for opportunities to give people the truth. I even threatened on of my riders to work to keep his negative thoughts about MJ to himself or get out of my car.. I followed it with a laugh so he knew I wasn’t serious, but no more negatives since, lol. All my riders know how I feel about Michael, so if you’re in my car you’re going to listen to him.
Sadly it was his death that caused me to start researching and I became a fan. I regret not doing some research when he was alive, but I guess better late than never. At least I was never a hater, and always thought he just could be innocent, so I appreciate all the sites that contribute the facts surrounding him.
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Vindicatmj – What you have is really a twisted mess in that you have a prosecutor who cared more about bringing Michael Jackson down than he did absolutely anything else. I cannot believe that he didn’t know all of those former employees who had sued Michael and lost wouldn’t have a problem getting up there and lying on the stand. I think he was acutely aware he had a group of liars on his side (including Gavin, Star and Davelin). I further think he was very aware of Janet’s history and he was just hoping that a jury would have the mentality that many have out there and would convict him just based on personal prejudice.
In order to be prosecuted for perjury – intent is one of the elements of proving that. So it would have to be proven that each person who committed perjury had an underlying reason to do so. In the Michael Jackson trial you better believe each one of those liars had intent BUT Tom Sneddon’s office would have to bring the charges against each witness so in essence he would have to admit that his own witnesses lied under oath and he wasn’t about to do that. You can see from his interview with Rita Cosby that he justified Janet Arvizo’s testimony calling it exaggeration or some such and that exaggerating wasn’t lying or something to that effect. You also saw many of the legal analysis hacks say that just because Janet and the kids lied in other cases doesn’t mean they are lying in this case. Seriously?
In the case you mentioned, the young girl in question made statements about some very high ranking officials so of course, those people are going to go after her with a vengeance (much the same as Sneddon did Michael Jackson) and most likely because of who was prosecuting – she was sentenced in that extreme way. It’s truly sad when the highest ranking police official in the county can manufacture and twist evidence just to take someone down.
So that would leave Michael Jackson to bring a case of prosecutorial misconduct against Sneddon and his team. From what I have read, others such as Gary Dunlap tried to do that very thing. I cannot find any update as to what the final outcome was of the Dunlap matter against Sneddon. However, I don’t see any evidence that Dunlap prevailed and so I highly doubt Jackson would have either. You’ve got too much “good old boy” thing happening with all of these people in office. Those people band together and with Sneddon being the master manipulator of evidence and also being golfing buddies with most of the judges – how does anyone prevail against the monster?
It is all a big network and Michael Jackson was a pawn from the get go. He was not represented well in 1993 by Johnny Cochran who, in my opinion, was way too friendly with Larry Feldman and most likely also had Sony representatives in his ear wanting the whole thing to go away so Michael could continue on making billions for the company (so much for Diane Dimond’s lie that Michael wasn’t working when the settlement took place). You put all of that together and you have no one truly looking out for Michael Jackson. I can only imagine that poor Michael got told so many things and with it looking as though he wasn’t going to get a fair shake in the legal system with the civil case going before the criminal – he agreed to the settlement. The settlement clearly removes anything having to do with molestation and clearly states that Michael Jackson does not admit to any wrongdoing and the settlement was for claims of negligence only. Both Cochran and Feldman stood together at the press conference announcing the settlement and even Feldman said that the settlement did not buy anyone’s silence. Does anyone ever quote that? Does anyone ever repeat that? No!
It will never make any sense to me why all of this was allowed to happen!
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” If the Arvizo case was non-existent and the trial proved it, shouldn’t a different department of the prosucution office automatically look into the perjury?”
It never happened and it will never happened and not only the US.
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Julie, you worded it so well that I am repeating almost the whole of your statement. Excuse my legal ignorance please but I still wonder why anyone is expected to sue for prosecutorial misconduct if the perjury is self-evident? If the Arvizo case was non-existent and the trial proved it, shouldn’t a different department of the prosucution office automatically look into the perjury? When the defendant is half-dead after the trial why should he make extra effort to sue the prosecution or false witnesses himself? Shouldn’t it be done on his behalf by some legal body?
Why I am asking is because I came across the so-called Franklin case which (allegedly) uncovered a network of high-ranking pedophiles and when the victims raised themselves to speak up they were jailed for “perjury”, though it was proven that they had been abused when they were children.
Injustice in court does not surprise me in the least as we have too many examples of it in my place, but in the Franklin case it is the difference in treating witnesses which is so glaring – in Michael’s case false witnesses and accusers were not even reprimanded, while in the Franklin case the really abused victims were jailed for perjury, because the Grand Jury decided that the abuse had been done “by others than those whom the victims named”, despite the overwhelming evidence against these people.
All this again shows that the unfair treatment Michael was subjected to was something totally extraordinary and out of the way – especially if you remember that he was innocent.
Here is a short piece about the Franklin case:
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Julie, no, I haven’t but it would be interesting to read the book. So much needs to be done! We really need more hands to do the job and I mean it!
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Linda, OMG, please don’t even think of me in these terms. There are so many people speaking up for Michael now and so many of them are doing such a terrific job, that I just feel honored to be part of it. It is indeed a great honor and sometimes I cannot even believe that I am doing it.
And there is also something miraculous about it. Many people will probably say the same about themselves – when Michael died it was as if his fire broke into a million sparks and each of us caught it and suddenly woke up. I am doing it because I regard it as an absolute must without which my life would not be complete. Don’t you feel that way yourself?
Fighting is a word of many meanings and different people understand it differently. Life has taught me not to fight people personally but fight a problem instead. I don’t have anything against those people who write all that nonsense on the Topix site – the most I feel for them is surprise why they are doing it and regret that something is so terribly wrong with them (they were also innocent babies once, so how could it happen to them?).
But the hateful job they are doing against Michael does require attention on our part. They have also tried to compromise my co-admins and I cannot put up with it. All those who believe in God know that you are never to seek or even think of revenge for yourself and leave your enemies to the Almighty instead, but when your friends are being offended, you need to speak up – it is your direct duty and it is most probably your hands which are required for doing justice. God does not have other hands but ours.
And the haters’ mjfacts site says that “they are knowledgeable people who can help readers with [Michael Jackson’s] issues”. I’m happy that many of us have now seen how “knowledgeable” the Topix people are.
Linda, thank you so much for your words of encouragement! Please don’t worry – I understand you very well, even without you saying it.
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@vindicatemj
Linda, you are absolutely right. The best way to deal with them would be just to ignore them. However I am afraid that what you see is part of the policy of Topix itself and this is why I am still looking into information about this huge site. I am so drowned in it that have a problem of putting everything together. Guys, please have some patience with me.
vindicatemj, please don’t think I was telling you that you should ignore these people. You’re my hero, lol, and I wouldn’t dare give you advice, but I do know how it feels when someone is trashing you. Been there.
My ex trashed me in a church that I had been a member for over 15 years. I walked in there every week holding my head up high, but felt like crawling out of there in tears. He was spreading some really nasty stories about me, all untrue, and he convinced some deacons and elders that I was really bad. I know God spoke to me one night and told me to keep quiet, that he would vindicate me, so I didn’t tell anyone my side of the story.
Anyway it’s a long story, but in the end, like God told me, I WAS completely vindicated. The truth came out and the ex and some deacons and elders had to eat crow. There are times you have to fight, There are times you have to ignore. My habit has always been to ignore as long as I can. If they don’t get a fight they usually lose interest because a fight is all they want, and if they don’t get it they get bored and go away.
Anyway, I read haters ugly comments about MJ all over the net. They’re so stupid and childish that I refuse to even comment, but I can see the need to expose these sites that are just malicious, and as far as I can see, that’s all you’re doing. I just didn’t want you to misunderstand my post. I agree with everything you’re doing, and I just want to encourage you to go with your heart.
Love you all.
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In addition, has anyone else seen this? I came across this looking up Jim Moret. He and so many others flip-flop in what they said during the trial and then what they said after Jackson’s death. I found it particularly interesting that Moret makes the statement “there were more holes in the 1993 case than in the 2005 case and the 2005 case was a joke.”
It’s from a CNN transcript – I tried to shorten it but here’s the link to it http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/ijvm.01.html
But first, straight out to my amazing panel: Jim Moret, chief correspondent for “Inside Edition” and attorney; Firpo Carr, Jackson family friend and former Jackson family spokesman; Ashleigh Banfield, host of “Open Court”; Joe Tacopina, criminal defense attorney and former Jackson attorney; Bryan Monroe, CNN contributor, who conducted the very last interview with Jackson.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: During the memorial service, there were some thinly- veiled references to what you might call the elephant in the room, Michael Jackson`s controversial molestation trial. Let`s listen.
GORDY: Sure, there were some sad, sad times and maybe some questionable decisions on his part.
SHARPTON: I want his three children to know, wasn`t nothing strange about your Daddy. It was strange what your Daddy had to deal with. But he dealt with it.
REP. SHEILA JACKSON LEE (D), TEXAS: And we know that people are innocent until proven otherwise. That is what the Constitution stands for.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Moret, it seems some speakers were resentful that the allegations of child molestation, of which Michael Jackson was acquitted, are still an issue in the media that`s discussed, but you do have people like this conservative congressman Peter King bringing it up. Is it still an issue because it is more than one allegation, that in 1993, he settled out of court for a reported $20 million?
MORET: Look, it`s an issue, but is it an issue at a memorial? No. I think that the tone of the memorial, I was there in the Staples Center, and you know what? The crowd was very respectful. They were very patient. They were sitting there, really attentive. And that — that place where the Lakers play and crowds go wild, this place was really transformed, almost into a house of worship. And it was a very respectful event. And I think it was befitting of Michael Jackson and, frankly, anyone who died. Look, he`s never been convicted of anything. Has he done strange things? Sure. Is this the place or the time to talk about it? No, I don`t think so. I think that Bryan is right. You know, at the end of the day, saying Daddy is the image I`m going to come away with every time I see it. I have seen it now five or six times, I choke up. I have an 11- year-old myself, and I think about my 11-year-old. And it really humanized Michael Jackson to me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I think it showed that he`s a good parent. The proof`s in the pudding. I mean, there were so many controversies, Bryan Monroe, about for example, the baby dangling incident, where Michael Jackson infamously dangled little Blanket over a balcony in Berlin. And yet, I talked to bodyguards who have taken care of these kids who said that Michael Jackson was a doting father. He did apologize for this incident, and that these kids are incredibly articulate, well balanced, and just all-around great kids.
CARR: I`d like to say something…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sure.
CARR: … about that dangling incident. A lot of people do not understand why did this, the same way they don`t understood why he stood up on the van. Let me set the record straight here. Michael only did that because the fans there wanted to see the child. So what he did is like say, OK, I have him here in my arms. If you want to take a closer look, see, here`s a closer look. And you see how he pulls the child back right away, because he realized, wait a minute, this is a little dangerous. He was saying this is a closer look at the child. Was it the best decision? Probably not, but it was done in innocence. It`s the same way with him standing up on the van. After he heard that there were some fans from far-flung parts of the earth who were out in the extremities of the crowd there, who could not see him, they simply wanted a shot of him, even if there was — he was a little dot in their frame there.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, it`s no day to be critical of Michael Jackson, but the baby dangling, no matter who asked for it, was ill advised, certainly. And being there when he jumped on the SUV, I could say there was a stampede afterwards, and I was even slightly injured during that. So…
CARR: I was there, too.
Firpo Carr, we talked about the big elephant in the room and the fact that there were veiled references to the criminal case against Michael Jackson. The one thing nobody talked about whatsoever, as far as I can tell, was how he died and his reported drug addiction.
CARR: There`s a lot that was said about that outside in the media, but there was no reference to that. Because you want to keep one thing in mind. That is this: Michael Jackson was not taking recreational drugs. You never heard about cocaine or heroin or anything like that. He took things for an ailment he and his family had, namely at least in one case, insomnia. The whole family has that. I stayed up with Randy when I lived with him. And get this: it`s so interesting. He`s half asleep, what have you, trying to change — channel surfing. He turns to me, asks me a question. Apparently, I wasn`t speaking loudly enough, so guess what he did? Pointed the remote at me and pumped up the volume without realizing what he was doing. And we both laughed at it afterward. The whole family are insomniacs. I have stayed up all night, practically, with several members of the family, talking because they couldn`t sleep. So Michael took something for that. He was not taking drugs for recreational use.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Diane, say what you will about Michael Jackson`s controversial life but you could also say the proof is in the pudding. And young Paris was so amazing on stage today.
DIANE DIMOND, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Oh yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She seemed like a well-brought up, well-balanced articulate girl who really loved her dad very much.
DIMOND: As a mother of a daughter, Jane, I watched that young girl, that brave young girl who obviously wanted to say something to the world. And boy, if you didn`t get tears in your eyes at that point, you`re pretty hard-hearted. She was absolutely terrific and you know what I noticed the most? I noticed when she broke down she turned to her aunt Janet. And that to me tells me that there`s a real family bond there. I hope Debbie Rowe was watching. I hope she realizes that there is a bond there where there is none with her and her biological children. Maybe she`ll step out of this custody fight.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe it`ll melt her heart. Who knows right? Dr. Gail Saltz…
DIMOND: You never know.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: …yes, you never know. There`s always hope, possibly, right?
Dr. Saltz, it seemed to me watching Paris that she is quite sophisticated and seemed aware, possibly, that her father was a very controversial figure, almost seemed to be defending him in that brief statement.
DR. GAIL SALTZ, CLINICAL PSYCHIATRIST: I think it`s hard to read into that one way or the other. I think for her, she`s the daughter, so he has been the ideal dad. And especially in death, it`s very important for — to some degree everyone, but particularly the children to be able to idealize their parent, to not have conflicted feelings which lead to guilt which really complicate grief. So this is just seemed to me a very natural, normal, healthy expression of how a child would feel upon losing her father. And I think it was really good for her that they allowed her frankly the opportunity to stand up there and express her feelings. And tell the world, you know, that her dad was a wonderful dad and she loved him very much.
FIRPO CARR: But there`s something else I would like to talk about when we go back to Paris for a moment. And this is connected to what we`re talking about now. Paris was protective of Michael — as I stated and I don`t mean to beat a dead horse — but when we stepped into the next room, she wanted — she insisted on going with them. And I never mentioned why I was there. I was there — because Department of Children Protective Services — I forget the exact name of it — but that some other families may know but I`ll just say Child Protective Services they were coming to examine whether or not Michael was a fit parent and they wanted to interview her. She was protective of him like please do not ever even suggest that he is a bad parent and even when he stepped into the next room, once again, she wanted to be with him, although she trusted me I`m sure but it was like, “No, I need to keep an eye on you, dad.”
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Ashleigh Banfield, we`ve been talking up until this point before the memorial service about the cause of death, the possible cause of death, the toxicology reports aren`t in. But we`ve been hearing all these reports of people, whether it`s Uri Geller or Deepak Chopra talking about Michael Jackson being out of it and how they begged him. Cherilyn Lee, the registered nurse, get help, we can`t give you this, we can`t give you that. And then, On the other hand, you see this child who seems to be so beautiful, so sophisticated, so well-balanced. In my head, those two things do not dovetail.
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, “OPEN COURT”: No…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What am I missing?
BANFIELD: I think we`re all missing something. There`s a great deal of secrecy with regard to how this man lived his life. And I think if we think back to the Anna Nicole Smith case, she also had children and she also had a terrible addiction to prescription pain killers. And then, I disagree with one of your panelist who said, that because he wasn`t doing cocaine or some other kind of drug like that, that he wasn`t using recreational drugs. Prescription medications when abused, no matter what they`re for, even if they`re for sleeping, it`s considered recreational use. And God forbid there was someone actually administering Diprivan in that home because Jane, your show is going to take on a whole new event in the coming weeks if that`s the case.
CARR: But there`s something — there`s something to be said about that though. When you talk about different drugs here, we`re talking about motivation. I`m talking about motivation, coming from south central L.A. and being around a lot of drug addicts and serving for ten years — at least 10 to 15 years on a panel in North Hollywood, “Cry Help,” which was a — which is a halfway house where some of the addicts are there…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well — can I just jump in Firpo for one second? I think what the point that Ashleigh is trying to make is yes, there is a difference between somebody who is using illegal drugs and involved in that whole world and somebody who is just hooked on something like anesthesia. I`ve never heard of an anesthesia addiction until this story broke.
CARR: Yes, I know what she`s saying but I think along with that…
BANFIELD: That is just breaking the law, period. If you get controlled substances by furnishing a false name or a false address or for having other people procure it for you or pay for those to dispense them…
CARR: No, I understand, I understand that.
BANFIELD: …you`re breaking the law, period, no matter what you`re using it for.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But I`m not even talking about that Jim Moret. What I`m talking about is here we have this beautiful girl who seemed so well- balanced, not acting out, terribly appropriate, heartfelt and yet all we`re hearing about Michael Jackson is how out of it he was.
BANFIELD: Jane…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And to me, I don`t know that you can be a great parent if you`re that out of it. And I just don`t — I can`t put these two images together, whoever wants to take it.
DIMOND: Jane.
JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, “INSIDE EDITION”: Well, I mean, with respect to the anesthesia addiction, it sounds like and we`ve listen to — at least one doctor say that he would bring Jackson down at night and bring him up in the morning, but that he would function in the day. I don`t know that that little girl was around that at all or was even made aware of it. And in that respect they can be separated. It doesn`t mean…
DIMOND: Jane.
MORET: …that doesn`t mean that he doesn`t have a problem or didn`t have a problem.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Diane.
DIMOND: Jane, you remember, because well Jim, you were there, too during the 2005 criminal trial. There was testimony there by Neverland Valley ranch workers who said there was so much alcohol consumed, he seemed so wobbly, that they were worried to let the children around him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh yes, the Jesus juice — the white wine that was the Jesus juice and it was concealed in the soda can.
DIMOND: Jane.
CARR: But there`s something to be said about that. Bob Jones who is now deceased, in his book he said, the only thing he could find against Michael and he was what — his publicist for 30, 40 years, was that he thought he saw some wine on a plane in a can. That was it and as far as these…
DIMOND: Well, Bob would also tell you that he didn`t spend a lot of social time with Michael Jackson. (Yet, we are supposed to believe his ridiculous book) – She is such a flip-flopper.
BANFIELD: You know what all you need to do is go to one Narcotics Anonymous meeting and you`ll meet a lot of people who functioned daily including prosecutors…
CARR: Right but that`s not mean that that was Michael…
SALTZ: It`s very possible to be a very high functioning addict.
CARR: And you can also take a look at people who were guards at Michael`s house and also at Neverland and Encino and find that they have sold so many stories to the tabloids, it`s a shame.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, okay. I think that`s interesting Dr. Saltz that people are looking at the children and saying they look like they`re so well-balanced and well-brought up that it reflects positively and gives us a whole side of Michael Jackson we haven`t been seeing.
GAIL SALTZ, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, Jane, I think it`s difficult to read too much into that. By that, I mean that kids are one, unbelievably resilient. They can, you know, there are high functioning incredible people I see in my practice who have been abused at kids. And I`m not saying Michael Jackson did anything wrong to his kids. I`m just saying from a few statements or for looking at a well-groomed child who is able to articulate their feelings it does not necessarily mean that things were all rosy. It doesn`t mean that they weren`t rosy. It`s very difficult to say from this. You know, obviously, it`s wonderful that they have generally loving feelings. I`m not surprised. I think that obviously he wanted children very badly and probably in many ways he was a wonderful parent. But that doesn`t mean that he potentially did not have a problem with addiction or did not have other problems going on that he either hid from the children or the children saw.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the other thing — if I could jump in — is that it doesn`t also dovetail with the idea that he`s a child. How many people said that even today? That he had the child persona. Even though he was a dynamo on stage, he was shy and childlike offstage. Does that segue with being a good parent?
SALTZ: Yes. You know, Jane, there are people who have role reversals with their parents, and they are — as someone pointed out earlier — protective of their parent because they feel like the parent. It doesn`t mean that they don`t feel loving. In fact, sometimes it makes them have to be very independent and self-sufficient.
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, IN SESSION: Might I also jump in and just mention that I cover plenty of trials and cases where the parent who is in court perpetrates crimes against others and not against his or her own family.
SALTZ: Absolutely possible.
JOE TACOPINA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And, of course, I`ll just jump in at that point and say he didn`t perpetrate a crime against anyone according to the jury`s verdict.
FIRPO CARR, JACKSON FAMILY FRIEND: Thank you.
TACOPINA: And the Constitution of the United States — that case, believe me when I tell you — and I don`t know if Diane is still with us — that case was a joke from the get-go…
CARR: It was.
TACOPINA: It was one of the most incredible allegations and…
BANFIELD: You have to be careful when you say that.
TACOPINA: No, I`m not. I don`t have to be careful.
BANFIELD: There were some important facts that came into that courtroom.
TACOPINA: I don`t have to be careful because the jury spoke loud and clear.
BANFIELD: There were good facts that came into that courtroom. I will also say as a legal journalist that being called not guilty is not the same as being called innocent.
TACOPINA: No, it`s not, but you can`t then presume guilt when the jury has spoken.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. But Diane, what about the… I was just asking you. What about — forget the criminal trial for which he was acquitted for a second — let`s go back to the `93 case.
JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, “INSIDE EDITION”: But so what? The `93 case had more holes in it than the 2005 case, which was a joke.
CARR: Thank you.
MORET: The `93 case, if it was a case — don`t you think (INAUDIBLE) or his associates would have brought a case in two seconds? That wasn`t even worthy of being looked at.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I must give Diane a chance to answer that one.
DIMOND: Did you want me to answer or did you want him to answer? I can`t get a word in edgewise.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Diane, jump in. You`re aggressive.
DIMOND: You know, I look — can I just tell you something? I`m standing outside the Staples Center. I was in there all day today, listening to some of the most beautiful music, the most wonderful eulogies and that`s really what I think today is all about. Barf (emphasis added by me) You know, if you want to know more — hey Firpo, let me talk for once, ok? Just let me get a damn word in edgewise. If you want to know about the allegations, read my book. Today, it was about the passing of an icon and the…
CARR: Diane, you`ve always been against him. Let me say this about this…
DIMOND: You know, Jane…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second.
DIMOND: I don`t know why I`m on the show tonight. DIMOND: If I could talk, I would talk about it. But I can`t get a word in edgewise.
CARR: You plugged your book, you got it in.
You already said, you said look in your book. Let me just say something right here, I worked for the LAPD for 10 years. And Michael Jackson…
DIMOND: You know what Jane? Why don`t you just talk to Firpo and I`ll talk to you when I get back to New York. How about that? You know what?
CARR: For ten years, I saw Michael Jackson, first of all — 1994, he was accused of child molestation. 2004 — are they gone? CARR: 2004, child molestation again. Are you trying to tell me, Diane Dimond, that here is a child molester who strikes once every ten years only in the L.A. AREA? By that token, all we have to do is wait for 2014.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Firpo. Wait a second. Guys, seriously, Diane has wanted to say anything. Let`s give her a chance to respond. You said your part, let her, and then we`ll move on. Diane, get your 10, 20 seconds in.
DIMOND: I have said my part. Today was about saying good-bye to an icon. It was very emotional in there especially when the Jacksons themselves spoke and sang. Especially Paris and Katherine. That is what today is all about. Jane, you and I have covered the trials. We have done the allegations. I`ll be glad to talk to you about that at another time. And if Firpo he wants to argue, he can argue with you because I`m just not interested in that. That`s not what today is all about.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think that, you know what? I think today is a day not to argue. I think that today is a day…
DIMOND: Exactly.
CARR: I know but…
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Vindicatemj – I remember hearing on one of the Matt Drudge tapes that LunaJo uploaded where he asks that very question when speaking to Roger Friedman – was Sneddon going to prosecute his own witnesses for perjury when it was all said and done? Of course, that would have really put egg on his face so I’m sure he never considered it. In Sneddon’s interview with Rita Cosby right after the verdict – he whitewashes what was said calling it exaggeration instead of what it really was – outright lies. I also remember seeing somewhere an interview with Tom Mesereau right after the trial I think where he is asked if Michael Jackson could sue for prosecutorial misconduct and Mesereau said he absolutely thought Michael had a case to do so. I only wish that Michael had been able to fight back in that way. I wish that every single time some untrue, negative thing was written about him that he sued the pants off of these people – but at the same time that poor man was sued himself more than should have been legally allowed and I can only imagine he didn’t want to mess with it. When he sued Chandler for extortion – what did he get in return? Advice to settle the case and drop the extortion claim. Of course, the same investigating body that would be handling the extortion was the very same that was handling his case so he really never had a fair shake in my opinion. He sued Diane Dimond and Victor Guiterrez and where did that get him? Dimond was dropped from the suit with the help of Sneddon and Guiterrez filed bankruptcy and bailed? Does that ever get properly reported? Absolutely not. He couldn’t win to save his life.
I was looking on the Jetzi site the other day and one of the books she has on there was Joe Jackson’s book. It apparently was not originally written in English and has been translated so it’s a little difficult to decipher some of the passages. But something in there struck me as odd and I’m wondering if anyone else has read or heard anything about it. In talking about the 1993 mess, Joe Jackson states something about seeing a picture of LaToya, Jack Gordon and Evan Chandler together and he said that made all of the pieces of the puzzle fit. I had never heard of any type of connection between Chandler, Gordon and LaToya. Has anyone else?
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Julie, thank you so much for the great comment. All normal people are able to understand that it is often easier to pay than have a legal dispute with some madman. Janet Arvizo and the compensation she received from JC Penny is a good example. Michael’s doubters immediately start saying that those $15 millions (not $30mln as Diane Dimond lies) were no small sum – but $151,000 which JC Penny paid for nothing is no small sum either!
Imagine that someone has a dispute with a shop over a thing this person has stolen from them, accuses the staff of abuse which no one has seen and it is him who is eventually paid $151,000 for all that! This is totally absurd – but this absurdity nevertheless did take place. And knowing Janet Arvizo and her children now we understand that JC Penny made a wise decision to settle. Their security staff were lucky they were not accused of molesting the Arvizo children or it would have cost them a much bigger sum.
Exactly. Even if Michael had said “no” it wouldn’t have mattered anyway – they would have invented it. By the way I suddenly realized that the Arvizos were quite capable of accusing Frank too (of the same thing) if he had been called to testify and had said that he was in the same room. They would have suddenly “recalled” it in a momentary restoration of their memory.
In fact, it doesn’t really matter how many adults are staying in one room with those who intend to falsely accuse them – one, two or three. ALL of them will be under fire if some con artists make up a colorful story about their alleged abuse. And even if you manage to prove that they are lying the nasty suspicion and rumor will still be there. This is the nature of slander – it is easy to tell, but difficult to fight.
People should not be allowed to make unfounded nasty allegations about others without having to answer for their false stories. Since Michael was acquitted on all counts I wonder why there were no repercussions against the Arvizos? Michael’s acquittal automatically meant that they were guilty of perjury, right?
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“That’s just not worth my energy because it’s like arguing with a child. No matter what you say they will just make more hateful comments with no proof. You can’t make a point with people like that because they aren’t looking for truth, just an argument, and they hide behind their computer. I think a lot of the comments are from the same people using different aliases like they’re accusing vindicatemj of doing. I learned a long time ago that many times people who talk the loudest and point fingers at someone else is a cover to hide what they themselves are doing.”
Linda, you are absolutely right. The best way to deal with them would be just to ignore them. However I am afraid that what you see is part of the policy of Topix itself and this is why I am still looking into information about this huge site. I am so drowned in it that have a problem of putting everything together.
Guys, please have some patience with me. Considering that Topix comments always come as one of the first when you google search for Michael Jackson I think you should know about the strategies of their site.
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Isn’t it amazing how totally childlike these people sound? I have a hard time even reading their comments because it sounds like children. I wonder how old these people are that write that crap. I read a few and would reach for my keyboard because it pissed me off, then I would stop and say to myself “how do I even comment on something this stupid?” So I left no comment because I realized all they want to do is cause a fight with anybody who loves MJ.
That’s just not worth my energy because it’s like arguing with a child. No matter what you say they will just make more hateful comments with no proof. You can’t make a point with people like that because they aren’t looking for truth, just an argument, and they hide behind their computer. I think a lot of the comments are from the same people using different aliases like they’re accusing vindicatemj of doing. I learned a long time ago that many times people who talk the loudest and point fingers at someone else is a cover to hide what they themselves are doing.
Sad that these people have nothing more going for them than to hide behind their computer and spew ugly lies and hate about a man they never met who did a lot more with his life than they ever will. They aren’t looking for truth, they just want to rile up the fans. It’s a game to them, and face to face, I have a feeling they wouldn’t have much to say because they are cowards and they know they have nothing to back up what they’re saying.
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I decided to go on the TOPIX website just to see if I could any one of the haters to tell me why, after almost 3 years have passed, any one of them truly wants to continue to take the time to continuously slander someone whom they have never met and have no first hand knowledge of absolutely anything pertaining to him. I didn’t attempt to defend Michael – just merely wanted to see what the answer would be. You know, not a one of those people could simply answer the question. I was called a troll and stupid and told that they were laughing at me for asking the question, etc. The one that you quoted in your post went so far as to accuse me of having more than one “nic,” which I thought was very interesting and downright funny. The level of paranoia is also very high. They choose to bully anyone who doesn’t share their same viewpoint and go so far as to cyber high-five each other if any one of them thinks they have one- upped someone defending MJ. They might as well be children in a schoolyard. There are a few fan stragglers who engage in a war of name calling and words with them and truthfully Michael Jackson does not need defending against close-minded, arrogant, bigots who only “think” Michael Jackson did anything wrong – they have no proof mind you, but that doesn’t matter. It must do something to their egos to sit behind a computer desk, unknown, and slander him. What satisfaction could possibly come from that? I will never understand human nature in that regard.
That tells me all that needs to be known about the individuals who post on that site and other sites of like kind. Sadly, there is more evil and hate in this world than the other way around. But, you guys are getting to them or they wouldn’t be cyber stalking your site and then slandering you in the process.
You see, I can understand trying to defend someone when they have been wronged and continue to be wronged even after his or her death. In Michael’s case, there is so much evidence out there to prove he did nothing to any child and most of these close-minded individuals having nothing more to go on than his admission that he saw nothing wrong with sleeping in the same vicinity as a child that was not his. Never mind that the only ones who accused him of wrongdoing went after money and that there are many, many more children who spent an enormous amount of time with him that all say he did nothing wrong and the “sleeping” was nothing more than actual resting. But to those people that does not matter and they want to profile him when there is no merit to do so.
That allegation, in and of itself, ruins people’s lives – true or not. Once it gets made, even if dis-proven, some people will just hang on to it no matter what – Michael Jackson is a prime example. It is clear that Evan Chandler knew he would ruin Michael’s life by making that allegation public since he said so himself in the taped phone conversation – which is why I do not and will not understand why haters cannot even fathom that by Evan Chandler going to Michael Jackson to attempt to solicit $20 million or he would make this false claim should not be seen any other way than it’s true purpose – extortion.
I work in the legal field and have for over 20 years and I can remember when I very first started working for a defense firm and a company settled a claim with a disgruntled employee, when there was clear evidence the employee was making the false claim to get money. I asked the attorney why on earth would the company settle if they are in the right? His answer: because it is often less costly and time consuming just to settle the claim than it would be to litigate it and the company can go on and not have to be bogged down with legal documents, fees, court costs, etc. Does that sound familiar? So, it absolutely floors me when I watch the so-called legal analysts talk about the settlement as if it was truly hush money – did they go to law school by correspondence or were the absent that day settlements were discussed in school? Or better yet, was it a way to slander Michael Jackson because that person has the same prejudice as many of these haters. Of course, the latter is the case.
I watched the David Gest documentary this past weekend and Frank Tyson was on and he basically says that he didn’t trust the Arvizo kids at all – just felt that there was something not right about their behavior – especially Janet. He stated that the kids approached Michael and asked if they could sleep in his room and Michael was extremely hesitant to allow it. Frank stated after 1993, Michael was very careful about what he did that could be perceived the wrong way. Frank stated he was about to go and tell Gavin the answer would be no and Michael began to feel sorry because of Gavin’s illness, etc. and so he told Frank that the boys could sleep there, but that Frank would be in the room also and that he and Michael would sleep on the floor. Michael felt that by Frank being in the room, it would protect him from any allegations. But you know what, even if Michael had said no or even if Michael had said they could sleep there and he and Frank went to another room in the house – it wouldn’t have mattered. We know they made up stories because the two of them couldn’t tell the same story twice to save their lives so it’s not a stretch to think they would have lied no matter where they slept. Of course, good old Martin Bashir instigated that mess.
We now know that Tom “the Snake” Sneddon made sure to keep Frank from testifying by naming him as a unindicted co-conspirator. I will never know how Sneddon and that entire prosecution team sleep at night! The documentary gave some good answers about a lot of things. I particularly liked the one story that Peabo Bryson told about a party that he attended given by Gest so Michael could meet Liam Neeson (who was a neighbor of Gest’s at the time). Bryson said he got up from the table and when he came back, Michael was in his chair engaged in a very serious conversation with Bryson’s date. Bryson said he stood there for a while waiting for Michael to notice he was there and perhaps get up – but he didn’t. So finally, Bryson said he had to tell Michael to go and get his own date.
All that being said, this site is an amazing find for people who truly want the truth and are not too lazy to do just a tad of research to find out the truth. Please don’t let any haters ever get you down for any reason! They are not worth it!
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This is just childish bs from these people. I clicked on one of the links here just to see what all the fuss was about. I’ve read the same shit in the comments on u-tube after playing anything MJ . These people sound like 5 year old kids. I can’t even bring myself to respond to their comments.They’re too childish and all they want to do is cause a fight. That’s all they’re looking for, and when the fans respond it just gets uglier.
I regret that the fans on utube lower their selves to the same standards, spewing out venom and hate just like mJ haters. You guys are doing a great job, because you realize that you can’t deal with hate by hating. I don’t see hate or revenge on this site. I wish all MJ fans would get the message of love and kindness. A soft answer turneth away wrath. A lot of the fans attack back with the same mentality as the haters. It kind of defeats our purpose.
I would like to find a way to get a message to all of Michael’s fans to get their message across without hate and anger, and to react like Michael would. He wouldn’t wish his enemies to burn in hell, and neither do I, but I’ve read so many fan comments who do. L.O.V.E. doesn’t wish damnation on anyone, not even the ignorant people on topix.
I love this site because nobody here trashes others, you just give facts and you’re kind and loving, but probably getting too much attention from the haters. That just says you’re on the right track. I’m a Michael fan plus a fan of this site. Keep the faith, and keep up the good work. I will too.
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“Lynette and David,I know you feel hurt.I wish I could comfort you.”
Kaarin, let me thank you on their behalf. I think they are fine – David is so stoic that he has not uttered a word about it or is probably just not paying attention (which is the only correct attitude to it) and Lynette is angry but will be okay too. It is probably me who is fussying here more than anyone else.
In the meantime I’ve studied some information about Topix and have found a couple of interesting things. I hope to report them to everyone in the near future.
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Lynette and David,I know you feel hurt.I wish I could comfort you.Rememember VMJ is strong and has contributors worlwide, just about in every timezone. And also remember what Michael said about sprint v. marathon. His life was not in vain and neither was his death.
I have some ideas re this, just now not ready to write them. I´ll return soon.-All my respect,concern and love to VMJ administrators and contributors.
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“They are not worth to deal with. I know it’s hard when you are attacked personally, but if you can’t do much to stop it it’s the best to ignore and keep telling the truth at other places.’
Susanne, yes, of course you are right, and my advice to Lynette and sanemjfan would be to forget that personal stuff and move on.
However the heavy slandering of Michael Jackson which is taking place on that forum and the fact that no one is allowed to leave a pro-Jackson comment or open a pro-Jackson thread there, make this Topix site another point in the list of points which need to be studied for Michael’s vindication.
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God, this is where we are now in our world with freedom of press and speech. That each psycho can leave their “evaporations” on a site like Topix. I didn’t know about this site before though I know that there are sites like this in many countries where people are given a forum to slander others. But comments left on such sites are known as mostly very primitive, so I would say they should be ignored. These immature people just want attention and like to fight, some even like it to be evil. They are not worth to deal with. I know it’s hard when you are attacked personally, but if you can’t do much to stop it it’s the best to ignore and keep telling the truth at other places. People who are mature and intelligent will see the difference and know whom they have to believe. The intelligence and truthfulness of your blog and all of you is way above each of those primitives, it’s clearly visible to every decent world citizen.
If it is true that only MJ haters are given a forum on that site, this is even more encouraging to continue with our work for Michael. It’s proof that you do the right thing on this blog and that it’s necessary.
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“I don’t think it has something to do with MJ. I believe it’s topix policy in general, they are pushing to be like that. The cease post is old.”
Yes, that cease and desist post which shows up there does not have anything to do with Lynette.
Shelly, I’ve also received a comment from a reader who says that Topix will do this to lots of people who try to defend themselves. The reader says that “they will allow people to harass others but they will not allow you to use their site as a platform to defend yourself.”
Well, the fact that Topix hosts do not allow people to simply answer those who are trashing them is totally outrageous. Any forum is an exchange of ideas, but over here only one side is allowed to speak. Is it Topix’s requirement that its users should be haters? How do they determine who qualifies for writing there and who is not?
The whole thing is totally ridiculous.
I for one just started a new thread, not much different from the rest of them, stating the purposes of our blog and addressing one particular forum user. But they simply did not show my thread to the public, simultaneously showing it to me – so that I was under the impression that it was there.
This creates a totally absurd situation – I tell you it is there and you tell me it is not, and both of us are wondering what the hell is going on and who is cheating here. This is a totally abnormal practice for ANY forum or ANY site, not to mention a huge news portal as Topix presents itself.
Let me repeat what is so astonishing about Topix. They do not just block your thread. They create the illusion that your thread has been posted, while in reality they do not show it to the public. Thus you are expected to think that everyone is able to read it, only no one answers it.
And this is being done in a democratic country where law is supposed to be standing on the guard of its people! To say that I am disappointed is to say nothing at all.
The only explanation I can find for such a situation is that the admins of a huge Topix site have something to do with it and the dialogue we see there in their Michael Jackson forum is a “get together” between several of them.
Can anyone come up with any other plausible explanation rather than this one?
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The Estate can’t help you. If people wants to believe he was a pedo they can write it as longas they don’t stated as a fact. What they can’t do is to slander people but I don’t know how the Estate can help you.
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Topics is a cesspool for bottomfeeders to swim and take a bath in.
I think it ís definetely the duty of the Estate to take appropriate action against them.They also have access to goog lawyers.Someone else also suggested this and I strongly agree.
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“LMAO that krackerjack Weirdo is such a liar”
He is the troll who came to that site as a man in the army totally obsessed with porn.
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@lynande,
It’s done. It’s 6:47 AM where I live.
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I don’t think it has something to do with MJ. I believe it’s topix policy in general, they are pushing to be like that. The cease & desist post is old.
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Hi, i followed your link and as you say, couldn’t see either of the posts. but in the list of topics there is one thats called ‘cease and desist’. its very weird, i didn’t understand much of it or what ‘side’ most of the posters are on. and the one that seemed to be supposed to be Lynette, didn’t read like her at all. have you been engaging in to and fro with them?
it makes no sense why people who hate / dislike / or are uninterested in someone spend so much time and energy on a webste with a host of posts on all subjects MJ. i can’t abide robbie williams and i wouldn’t even bother to google him to find any info on him, why would i?
it was quite difficult to understand much of the posts.
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I clicked the link put up to go to the letter but didnt see it ,.I just thought I couldn’t locate it because I was doing something wrong..Now I see that you saw they have hidden it ..
How weird..
I wonder if Michael Jackson estate lawyers realize this topix links to Google the way it does and how it cant be deleted..Maybe they can be made aware of it and do something about it..They are lawyers themselves and the estate has deep pockets .
There are so many nuts out there
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“It’s as if the haters have all the rights. Not much has changed since Michael was alive. The media had full control to print whatever they wanted but if it was pro Jackson, forget it!’
Julie, I am amazed that as a result of this post we have found PROOF that the media – or at least the huge Topix site which claims it is open to everyone – is actually CENSORING people who are speaking in support of Michael Jackson!
And they are giving their platform to Michael Jackson’s haters and no one seems to be able to stop them!
It is amazing that we have reached such a clean result in so short a time – and Topix itself provided us with the proof by SHADOW banning both Lynette and me!
If they follow us I half expect now that our posts may appear there after all, so we’ll see.
This quest for the truth is really a big thrill, but it is 2 am here, so I have to stop for today. We’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Guys, please keep going and don’t stop looking for the truth!
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Vindicatemj I think you are absolutely right. It’s as if the haters have all the rights. Not much has changed since Michael was alive. The media had full control to print whatever they wanted but if it was pro Jackson, forget it!
Thank you for keeping up the good fight!!!
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“Sites such as TOPIX and TMZ are not worth your time. You can always tell when someone from TOPIX posts because they call fans “floons.” Any one of them are so beneath each of you that post on his site.”
Julie, thank you so much for your support for us! But you know, I have reached a stage when I am plain curious about Topix.
You’ve seen just now that both Lynette’s Cease and Desist letter and my Saturday’s post were shadow banned by Topix, and no one can see them.
Previously I thought that only some users were dreadful in their practices on that site, but now … does this shadow banning mean that we are simply not allowed by the Topix hosts to post anything there?
And what about the freedom of speech?
Does it mean that only Michael Jackson’s haters enjoy freedom of speech on Topix?
The funny part of the way they do it is that both of us can see our posts there – Lynette hers, and I see mine – but no one else can see them except us! And both of us are under the illusion that our posts are there!
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Sites such as TOPIX and TMZ are not worth your time. You can always tell when someone from TOPIX posts because they call fans “floons.” Any one of them are so beneath each of you that post on his site. I too went searching for anything Michael after June 25th and came across that site and quickly realized that the haters on there apparently have nothing better to do but sit in front of their computers and post tabloid trash, but worse than that — they are the most immature people I have ever come across. Name-calling and just juvenile type comments. I refuse to get on that site and truthfully that is why I was so glad to see your site. The posts are always well thought-out and intelligent! I also like MJJ-777 and the AllForLove blog. Not a one of you should have to defend yourselves against idiots!
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The site about Topix Nan has given a link to is brilliant. See what its author says about how easy it is to find Topix on Google:
Curious about the whole thing I have naturally made an experiment and google searched for the post I made on Saturday (where I demanded an apology from the beasts). To do that I’ve written the full name of the thread which I opened on Topix – it is called “for the attention of “vindicationfailedforwacko”.
You know what? Posts containing “vindicationfailedforwacko” were found, but my thread wasn’t. It seems to be invisible.
Some readers ask me for a direct link to it on the Topix forum, but even the direct link is not working and they cannot see it. Isn’t it surprising?
The link to my thread on Topix is over here: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/michael-jackson/TT0HL35MEM85U55NT
Could anyone make an experiment too and try it, please? And tell me where they come to as a result?
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I just wish people would see Topix for what it is;A gabage can for lies,insults and hate against whoever.Why spend time on reading up on things that you should know are nasty lies?
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The link to a site provided by Nan is a precious find. It turns out that Topix is based in California (of all places!):
The site even gives advice as to how to handle Topix! Point #2 definitely applies to me: “if you think you will convince them otherwise and appeal to their sense of ethics you are wrong”.
As regards point #5 I think I’ve made my contribution to enlightening people on all the ‘good’ the Topix site does.
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Guys, and this impressed me very much too:
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I am beginning to think that sanemjfan should simply change his nic into something different, and that’s it.
Never knew that freedom of speech could be taken to such an absurd extreme. Among people who live by strict inner ethical laws it would work perfectly okay – because they feel wholly responsible for what they say and do – but if a criminally-minded psychopath is allowed to slander his neighbor ruining his life and get away with it, it will be living hell…
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i really don’t know what to say. i think i’ve been on topix once. it was right after june 25th when i was on the fence. i had seen the police interview on youtube (where he just sits there in disbelieve when asked about barns chandler and culkin) and at the time rumores of autopsy confirming vitiligo had surfaced so i had to just evaluate my beliefs, and that was that MJ was a talented crazy criminal dude who i once loved. anyhow, those posting in topix were jumping on fans and what i saw was that everything they said were proven wrong by fans who came forward with evidence for everything they claimed. for example MJ was quoted to say he slept in the bed with gavin and tada the link to the correct quote was posted by fans. my point is i find it sad that some spend so much time liking someone to a crime that not a single evidence can. and there’s got to be people like me who are on the fence, or skeptical and stumble on a wrong site, blog, forum and etc. i was lucky to hear MJ “calling” and reaching out (i seriously believe he pushed me to search the truth) beyond death. many aren’t that lucky. some are too ignorent for even that.
there’s also a nutcase in youtube who claim he/she has a brother who was molested by MJ BUT they are not greedy so they didn’t report. this person comments on mjvids constantly.
btw as far as i know Gavin, jason (wth ever his name is) and jordan are all alive and well. no one harassed them EVER! do i say sometimes i would slap the hell out of them? yes! would i do it? NO! why? because even in my short time being a fan, my idol, my hero thought me better.
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“I was was just reading about topix because I dont know much about it. http://toxictopix.blogspot.com/p/who-owns-topix.html”
Nan, thank you very much for a great link to information about Topix. I am reading it and am appalled to see what I see:
And the naive me thought the Topix admins would help us to solve the problem of that slander….
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I like the way they call The admins here Psycopaths when in fact it is them who are surely behaving like psycopaths!
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LMAO that krackerjack Weirdo is such a liar i swear on youtube he use to copy and paste the same thing on every MJ related video and he is also a liar when he says he drove the MJ fans away from youtube because i read a MJ Fan challenge him on what he was accusing MJ off and he didnt have a reply to it This is Key on how to beat a hater of MJ’s jus show them facts they cant refute Facts it worked on Krackerjacks AKA Stonegrooved he is a copy and paste job! who is evidenly obsessed over MJ more than his fans he also says he is married and is an grown man well if he is then he seriously has problems cause i dont any normal grown man who behaves like him This is a guy who spends 24/7 On MJ Videos and has been i beiieve since 09 then again i bet hes Lying just like all the other Haters dont know if someone would want to be married to someone who obsesses 24/7 on someone who they claim is a monster and whom they hate.
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I was was just reading about topix because I dont know much about it.
http://toxictopix.blogspot.com/p/who-owns-topix.html
I think maybe people have already contacted the atty general of ca. about them before.
I saw Anderson Cooper on tv interviewing a guy who has a hate site where anyone can post horrible stuff about anyone .If the person complains , he will take it down eventually, at his leisure ,as he says, he is really busy, but if you want it expedited he charges 20 bucks for that.So some people he is taking 20 bucks from their credit card a month.
The people are paying because they dont know what else to do…
Anderson was calling him an extortionist and he was saying it is free speech.
If topix is charging people to complain , it almost sounds like the same thing to me and maybe the A.G. of Ca. should be contacted again..
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“If they didnt think what you were saying made sense , they wouldn’t be so upset… I really think it has something to do with questions regarding NAMBLA….That subject.. really seems to stick with them.”
Yes, since they selected us for their special hate treatment it means that we hit the nail on the head on some issues. I also think that it has to do with NAMBLA and our suspicions that a huge ped-le lobby was involved in bringing Michael down. They desperately wanted to paint him a ped-le to use him as their poster boy and take advantage of his fame and popularity to break the barrier of resistance to their “cause”.
As Victor Gutierrez admitted it himself he attended a NAMBLA conference (in which capacity I wonder?), spoke publicly of the NAMBLA people’s desire to use MJ as their poster boy, and in the late 80s or early 90s started making rounds of all families with boys surrounding Michael Jackson telling them that “everyone knew he was a p.” (as VG says in his book).
One of those parents was Evan Chandler, and while with the rest of those parents the innuendos didn’t work – as it clearly went against what they saw with their own eyes – with a bipolar case like Evan Chandler it did. He was an extremely suspicious guy and it was enough to drop a hint into his mind for him to flare up. He was also cut off from his former wife June Chandler and could only make wild guesses as to what was going on with his son.
The rest of the developments you know of.
The events that followed Michael’s death showed that everything was going according to plan of the NAMBLA people. Immediately after Michael’s death they suddenly started playing a different tune. The book by an open pedophile Thomas O’Carroll (Carl Toms) about MJ’s “liasions” was meant to be their main weapon to break the public opposition.
O’Carroll’s book repeated the same old lies about MJ, but this time it made a focus on “the beauty” of these “relations”. Some university professors recommended the book for “family reading” and urged us to look at the “other side” of the matter – which was when and why I got involved in fighting those who tend to express this kind of views.
I’ve found an article where one of those professors who recommended the book, William A.Percy, was exasperated with the “wrong strategy” taken by pedophiles in “fighting for their rights”. He said they should fight for lowering the age of consent – but instead they wanted “everything at once”:
The whole of it is here:
https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/victor-gutierrez-nambla-and-the-same-gang-of-professors-who-recommended-carl-toms-book/
In fact there are two big categories of articles in this blog devoted to fighting pedophilia:
PROFESSORS:
https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/meet-some-academic-supporters-of-pedophilia/
VICTOR GUTIERREZ:
https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/victor-gutierrez-and-the-nambla-connection/
Is our strong opposition to views supporting pedophilia the reason why some people are so terribly upset with us?
So upset that they want to compromise us and even called one member of this team a “child abuser”? (which is a complete crime to say without any reason!)
Thus using absolutely the same pattern which was used for slandering Michael Jackson?
Fortunately we have an ALIBI in the form of all those numerous articles in this blog – actually FIGHTING pedophilia and those who advocate these views…
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“I dont know when this site went up but you have been debating with some of these people about mj before and it hasnt gotten this hostile..”
This site was set up on November 21, 2009 and there has been much debate here – but it has always been a debate and not a vulgar squabble with abuse and name-calling. Moreover I always welcome discussion and free expression of one’s views because for personal reasons I value freedom more than anything else.
In fact I often take freedom in this blog too far, as there is practically no moderation here. Those who lacked something in their lives tend to fall into another extreme and overdo it, and this is why I understand Michael so well. I mean the reason why he could not say NO to any child – he was denied in his childhood so much himself that he fell into another extreme and could never say no to any of their wishes.
My co-eds constantly tell me to block this or that person, and I often disagree insisting that the person stays if he is ready for a dialogue and is trying to think.
There are some exceptions though.
1) I do not allow anyone to insult or harass any member of our team and always speak up for them. When someone unjustly attacks me I expect the same kind of support from my co-eds, but if they get distracted have to decide on my own whether to block a person or let him go on picking on me. Up till now there has been only one such case.
2) People advocating pedophilia are treated extremely harshly here – we block them immediately or as soon as we notice what they are saying.
3) Michael’s detractors receive less harsh treatment. If they are ready to listen to our arguments and agree that some of the facts we present are irrefutable, they are given a chance to express their views (without any name-calling). But as soon as we see them repeating one and the same thing like a broken record (“hahaha, he was this”, “he was that”) it is no longer a discussion, so any dialogue with these people stops and they have to go.
The reasoning behind my decision to allow Michael’s doubters to talk is very simple. There was a time when I myself was in very much doubt. So if the facts I’ve learned since then have changed me so much that I’m doing a vindication blog for Michael now, why can’t the same facts change other people?
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I used to log on to topix until i found out that it was simply a forum for expressing the most foul and disgusting hate towards MJ.The administrators of the site delibrately post MJ haters simply to create publicty.My advice to you is not to fall into their TRAP.Simply ignore them.Trading insults with them does not portray us any better than they are.
There are people out there who STILL do not know the TRUTH about MJ. It is our duty to continue posting the truth, and hopefully one day all our efforts and sacrifices will pay off. Jody Chandler, Jason, Garvin Arvizo and all of those who made MJ’s life hell will all account for their crimes one day. Keep up the good work. RIP MJ.YOU ARE GREATLLY MISSED AND LOVED..
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I am really sorry that Sanemjfan ,Lynette and some others have gotten vicious threats.I hope someone over in US can do something to stop that. Otherwise I personally find their blogs rather boring, their writing is on the level of schoolyard bullies.I rarely visit their
sites as it makes me feel slighty nauseous and gives me a head ache.¨
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Wow. But they are spreading lies about Michael, so it’s not all too surprising that they are spreading lies about us as well. That’s all they’ve got left: lies.
Of course, some of their claims are not “just” insults but slander or even death threats which are criminal. I really don’t know why Topix lets this happen on their boards. Even though they have been warned are there are petitions to remove the hateful, slanderous posts from their forums. Here is a petition that was posted a couple of weeks ago:
Topix.com needs to change!
Topix.com is allowing people to be bullied all over the website, and if you want anything to be done about it you have to pay a $19.99 first priority payment to be heard. I like the main purpose of topix.com but their ignorance to ignore the abuse of their terms of use policy means something has to change. If you are against bullying and abuse please sign this petition. If you are a bully or an abuser just ignore it.
Also, I would really appreciate it if you would keep peoples names out of your comments. This is a petition for you to tell why you don’t like Topix.com. It is not a website to bash innocent or guilty people. Your signature will be removed if there is any bashing of another person.
I am sorry if you are angry and want take out your anger on someone, but thats is what they do on topix.com. If you do that on this website it makes thepetitionsite.com just as bad.
Thanks,
Kyle
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/help-stop-bullying/
Comments are interesting as well. For example:
90% of the stuff posted on this website is bullying! I can’t believe that a website allows people to slander and bash other people! They all hide under screen names with no fear of being caught. Some serious changes need made concerning posting rights, and I believe real names should have to be used to make posts!Yes, bullying needs to stop!
I have in the past had to contact Topix to remove remarks about myself and my place of employment. They did remove it in a timely manner but the point is it was allowed to be posted in the first place.
Im a person who is being bullied . How this website being use is uncalled for . When people are being bullied It hurts them alot. people whos names have not been on there or people who put them names on there don’t understand how it feels to be bullied . Its going to keep geting worse if we don’t make change !
For years, Topix has been home to some the most venomous comments ever written and submitted. The hate needs to stop.Yes, Bullying is one of the most dehumanizing and hateful injustices that human beings inflict upon one another. It needs to die down as well.
Topix needs to be held accountable for what is posted on their sites. It is in NO way a news site, as real news organizations must verify facts. Anyone can go on their site and post slanderous comments, invade privacy and cyber-bully others with no repercussions. Innocent people are being harmed by this site, and it needs to changed or taken down.Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest. Those of us who are stong enough to fight the actions of bullies have a moral obligation to do so. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_A_society_is_measured_by_how_it_treats_its_weakest_members#ixzz1dPlSes96
I have been victim of nasty posts on Topix, and everytime they are removed, the posters just repost…..
But the Topix haters found this petition too. See comment #658 and 646:
This petion that is being signed mainly by the same troll that never leaves topix is a sham. She has hundreds of more bogus petitions that go no where. She signs it herself hundreds of times using her IP blocker. She’s a cyberbully of the worst kind named Lynette Anderson. She’s on topix right proving how bitter and angry she is as the day is long. It never ends. There are 4 trolls that never top oozing their sick hatred for others daring to out MJ for the sick man he was. They do this all over the net. Jobless sickos who play the vicim game when it is they who are the cyber bullies. Get these losers off the net. If you don’t like Topix stop going, but we all know you losers think you can get topix shuttered. Not going to happen. Lynette Anderson David Baine of vindiatemj Sabine Faustin Bonnie Cox
Lynnet Anderson who starts thousands of petions a day is a stalker, a hater and down right delusional. She’s on topix right now harassing posters. She’s from vindicatemj. as sanemj fan. If you google her real name you’ll see her stalking anyone. She is also stalking Mjs victims and their families via FB. It’s on her to leave yet she never does. Her main goal is to get topix shut. she has a blog for that too. SHE’S A TROLL AND NOTHING MORE.MJLOVERLIFE DEAT THREAT MAKING LUNATIC IS NOT NAMED KYLE. SHE’S A TROLL.
Someone answered to that post:
Kyle, is anyone policing this petition, because signatures #s 646 and 658 are primary examples of the behavior that is ongoing on Topix, and has traveled over here, of all places. As you can see from the content, the person writing it has no awareness of their bullying behavior and has the audacity to continue to name call and attack right here on this petition in some deluded quest to “out” another person as a cyber stalker. The language being used is a perfect example of the type of vitriol allowed to be expressed on Topix without censor. If this petition is in actuality against cyber bullying and your opening message is to be believed, those signatures and the contents thereof should be denounced and deleted, according to what you’ve stated.I believing that bullying is the behavior of a child or an emotionally stunted adult. It is cruel and unacceptable and needs to end NOW.
So they are not doing it just to us. Seems like Topix’s too liberal policy of what is allowed attracted all the bullies and hateful people there. But it seems despite of all the complaints they still let it happen. In my opinion thus Topix is totally responsible for what is happening, since they do not do anything sufficient against it despite of many complaints and warnings.
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I am , naturally concerned about people being threatened on the internet..I wonder if this website might give any advice,,
http://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx
or contact your local police and ask them how you should proceed.
I hate that you are frightened Lynette, simply for speaking out.. ..It is very upsetting , but these people or persons also confused ,me with you,not on here , on TMZ…….. so as far as info on computers numbers or whatever..I take that with a grain of salt..
They said they were going to sue me blahblah blah and a load of crap about living in a trailer with my daughter crap in the MIdwest or something…….that they had ny computer ip? and that they knew I was you from vmj…
and they said stuff like about sanemjfan..
all of which I am not …so I think they just take a shot inthe dark..
I have been posting on tmz since mj died ,,everyone on there knows me, so i dont know where this person came from , but if they had specific info about computer addresses , i dont think they would have confused you with me…
But you should be pro active and contact people who could give advice..If not the police , i might suggest contacting local colleges that teach computer tech stuff,,They must be up to date on what people are capable of doing on computers or what recourse you might take.
Sometimes talking to students in that field can give you more info then a person of a different generation…….bullies make idle threats but if it disturbs you ..you should start documenting this stuff and contact authorities..Sending you a hug….Nan
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“She needs to die” : THERE YOU GO : please collect all those statements and ask the police if they can do something with that. Those are threats, those are illegal. Those kind of statement are what you need to kick their sorry ass.
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I really don’t think they will apologize.
In fact, even if you fill an ofiicial complaint, to use a name that looks like a real name isnt illegal. I know, this is unfortunate. There must be something they are saying, howewer, that could be used.
Since haters mostly have the narcissic personnlaity type, giving them attention and telling them their actions have influence will just give them pride.
The narcissics hate to feel invisible, anonymous, “regular”. Your letter is giving them an “extraodinary” part of the action…
If I were you, I would look for the charges that are possible (I suppose there must be something you can do !!!) but I WOULD NOT ask them publicly to retract, because this just wont work.
They need an official letter from a lawyer’s office.
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As I said the other day, I was mistaken for someone who thought I was someone who runs this site, I dont think I could even find Topix ..I am not good with computers…Maybe because I was stating facts ..They started freaking out on me about the VMJ site..and NAMBLA..
Undaunted , I told them Michael being guilty is turning into a freaking joke .They must believe in the boogeyman too..
And I told them ” Im here if you need to talk”lol and then they stopped talking …???
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For so many years , they had no real people opposed to what was out there and now with the internet court transcripts , and youtube, there is a wealth of information/facts out there.
If they didnt think what you were saying made sense , they wouldn’t be so upset…
I dont know when this site went up but you have been debating with some of these people about mj before and it hasnt gotten this hostile..
I really think it has something to do with questions regarding NAMBLA….That subject.. really seems to stick with them.
Is there a govt agency that deals with child exploitation..Maybe they should start monitoring that site…They probably have the resources to check some of these people out.
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These people are getting desperate now… I find it funny that they try to call the people on here stupid despite the fact that their comments don’t make much sense and are full of lies and grammatical errors. If anyone looks like a lunatic it’s them… never read so much unintelligent garbage in my life.
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“There was one that repeatedly said that I must die. That was not funny.”
Yes, Lynette, I understand. The science fiction they wrote about you is not as much fun as mine is, and is actually very nasty (same as the one about David). This is the price we are paying for standing up for Michael Jackson.
But seeing what they are doing to us only makes me understand better what Michael went through – though our minor troubles are in no way comparable to his. I marvel at his strength and resilience and if we compare our troubles to his, one can say that we are being treated in a respectful way royalty isn’t.
Having a little trouble for the sake of a man like Michael Jackson is an honor. This is what I meant by wondering why I feel that way (I really do).
For some reason this story reminds me of the first Christians and how they never gave up though they fed them to lions.
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I know, for one thing even though I don’t type that well I do know how to spell stupid. LOL but my examples were as I said just a small part. There was one that repeatedly said that I must die. That was not funny. I will say that after that Topix was very much aware of what was happening and did remove them in a more timely manner. However,like I said I still have to be diligent and go there to report these offenses daily. I don’t know but I would think that Topix would rather just remove those threads and be done with it. If fans want to go somewhere they can go to the official Michael Jackson Forum and leave Topix for the kind of people that want to be there.
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Guys, I’ve spent some time in the Topix forum in some threads dedicated to us and don’t know whether to cry or laugh.
It seems that they are taking me for ‘sanemjfan’ and now I am not sure who they are insulting in their forum – David or me. Evidently both. As well as Lynette and Suzy.
Though I should feel hurt that they are accusing me of things like “luring little boys” into this blog, I actually feel a little flattered because considering all the mistakes I make in my English I could never dream to be ever taken for an American.
The stories the Topix haters tell about us are absolutely incredible. I’ve learned a lot of interesting things about myself and even made screen shots of them for record-keeping (please see the post).
It turns out that we are harassing the Arvizos and have been doing it for two years (I wish I had so much free time..). We are following haters we know nothing of all over the internet and leave pages of comments about them (I wonder what we saying there?). As a result of that they want to shoot us between our eyes (or we want to shoot them, I actually didn’t quite get it).
It is surprising, but the haters’ nasty fairy tale about the authors in this blog is continuing the subject I raised in the previous post.
I mean the one where Michael Jackson is quoted saying:
And now we are reading a similar kind of science fiction about ourselves.
Why do I feel honored instead of being hurt?
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Sounds like hell on earth over there; fodder for a Stephen King book.
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Topix running out of topics? On VMJ we don´t even have the time to bathe,Most likely also do not sleep.
No wonder topix is so boring.
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I would also like to add another remark. I do not live with my daughter. She has a home of her own. I have not one but 2 Jobs. I do not drink or do drugs. I do not live in Victoria Canada, Danbury Connecticut, New York, Tennesse, Or any other location that they have attributed to me. When they say otherwise it is slander, defamation and libel. I do not intend to sue. I intend to stop this in the appropriate manner and through the appropriate authorites. This is online harassement and in some remarks implies that they have been stalking me online and for a very long time. This is just a small amount of what has been said about me.I would also like to say that they have also slandered many other advocates by attributing them to me. I do not write on Topix. I go there unfortunately daily and report the abuse and collect the examples for documentation. I know without a doubt whata forensic check of my hard drive will say about me theirs will not say the same about them.
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This happening was a little different for me because even still today they are saying that I am just about every other person on the planet. They have even accused me of being them. Let me give you an example of what they said about me. I HAVE NOT WRITTEN ANY OF THESE;
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“This is truly sad, desparate, and pathetic on the hater’s part.”
R.J., I’ve spent some time in their blog reading numerous entries about vmj and have found out that there is much more to it that I initially thought. They claim that we harass THEM and follow them all over the internet! While we actually do not even know who these people are!
I think I’ll add a couple of new screen shots to the post.
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I like the way you said ” Michael has taught us to be different…”
This is very true…Michael’s gift to us all is his LOVE and this is what makes us stand up for him up to this day and forever…
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This is truly sad, desparate, and pathetic on the hater’s part. As you said vindicatemj; they are running out of options to slander MJ’s good name and drag it through the mud; so this is the only option they have left. However to use the names of all you MJ advocates while spewing their venom is just sickening and should DEFINITELY be reported without any hesitation.
I have never been to the Topix forum because of how cautious I am while on the internet; but I don’t plan on going there now!!!
Thanks for the announcement and keep on doing what you guys do best on this wonderful blog! 🙂
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