WHAT WERE HIS THOUGHTS LIKE? The final evidence of Michael Jackson’s innocence
Recently Rodrigo sent us the following comment:
I just took a stroll on the MJfacts website and seen the new tactics in their fight against Michael. As we’ve seen before, trying to compare him with a ped-le and the characteristics.
The silent dialog started with my post about their previous home page. Over there they said Michael’s vindicators had a “sinister agenda”
1. A SUDDEN SURPRISE
I also happened to take a stroll there because of undating the post called “Haters’ real agenda and new strategy against Michael Jackson’s fans” which referred to their site.
To my big surprise I found that the authors had altered their homepage so that my post based on their earlier text was no longer in accord with what’s written there now.
This made me realize that though being invisible to us Michael Jackson’s haters are very much present here and are even engaged in a sort of a silent debate with us.
They express their hatred ideas in their blog, we react in ours (as their site doesn’t allow replies) and when the text we commented on is no longer suitable to them they change it. Which is absolutely normal of course – it is their blog and they can do whatever they please with it.
However the new ideas expressed there will require another comment from me and this is what this short post is all about.
Their new home page claims that it is not possible to know “what happened in that room”. NO, IT IS.
2. HATERS’ NEW APPROACH
They say they don’t pull any punches and “call things as they are”. Unfortunately this is not the whole truth or – to be more exact – no truth at all.
They promise to reveal the truth about Michael Jackson’s “behavior with boys”, but instead carefully collect lies and unsubstantiated allegations which innumerable con-artists or various physopaths make about Michael Jackson either for money, due to instability of their mental condition or following the agenda similar to that of Tom Sneddon’s.
While selecting only lies for their purposes haters meticulously ignore and discriminate the truth about Michael Jackson. And since most of their lies have already been disproved now they resort to their last argument which says that “Nobody will ever know whether Jackson was innocent unless they were there in the room with him”.
Following their logic we can also claim that these people, whose minds are so terribly bent on pedophilia, are doing terrible things to children when no one is looking. The reason why we can claim that? Because we have never been in one room with these people and did not have a chance to check whether their interaction with children was innocent or not.
Never mind that the children who know them will probably say that they are perfectly normal guys, and that there are no facts testifying to the opposite – we still cannot rule out such a possibility, can we? Because we haven’t been there!!! So there is a chance that it might be true?
(No offence meant, guys, I am only talking of the flaws in your logic).
They say we are vehement in our defense of Michael Jackson. Yes, we are and we are proud of it. The overwhelming evidence of Michael’s innocence, proven by others during his lifetime and discovered by us after his death, does give us the right to call him an innocent man. Contrary to the above, irresponsible allegations and blatant lies told about Michael by his haters do not give them the right to accuse him of horrendous crimes.
This is due to one of the main principles which has been governing human society since time immemorial – it is called Presumption of Innocence and says that Every person is innocent until proven guilty, and it is absolutely not up to Michael Jackson’s haters to revoke this fundemental principle of law.
Sometimes suspects are not proven guilty because no one bothers to really look. However this is definitely not the case of Michael Jackson.
He was scrutinized from every angle possible for the major part of his life – by two Sheriff’s departments in Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, two District Attorney Departments in the same counties and two Grand Juries in the period of 1993-94.
His “case” was investigated by Santa Barbara law enforcement bodies for three years in 2003-2005 which ended in a shameful (for the Prosecution) trial as a result of which Michael was fully acquitted on all counts.
His behavior was examined by the Departments of Children and Family Services in both 1993 and 2003 and on top of all that it was also the FBI who kept an eye on him throughtout the whole period. They even tried to help the prosecution and get the “first victim” again – only he vehemently refused to testify against Jackson (same as twelve years before that) . He also dropped a mysterious phrase that he had “done his part” and added he would sue them if they insisted on his coming!
The two Grand Juries in 1993/94 listened t0 400 witnesses including those cited by Michael’s haters in their blog, and the 2005 trial lasted for four months because another jury listened to all those people all over again.
Tom Sneddon got the nickname of a “mad dog” from his own colleagues not for his tender ways with potential criminals. Quite on the contrary, it was his tenacity and zeal in prosecuting people (even innocent ones) that earned him that name – so none of us can even try to pretend that he was “slack” in his work. If Tom Sneddon was unable to prove a single fact of lies against Michael Jackson nobody else could – this we may be sure of!
However all their effort was in vain. The few allegations they had proved to be unfounded and the only “victim” who testified against Jackson in 2005 said he was molested after the news of “molestation” hit the world, poor guy…
But if there is nothing to talk about why don’t haters shut up then? Why don’t they do something useful instead of trashing the innocent man’s name? If they are so ardent supporters of children’s well-being why don’t you use their blog to fight real pedophiles – and not some mythical “typical” ones whose profile someone else is “fitting”? Fro example, those concrete ones who are abundant in Hollywood as Corey Feldman says or who get away from justice in cases like the Franklin one, for example?
Why do they suggest that we help the Innocence Project? We are helping them already by uncovering numerous cases of real crimes against children! If the Innocence Project people accept our whole-hearted support we will be only too happy to contribute our findings to their work. Michael Jackson was exactly the man who prayed to children’s innocence as he was sure that being innocent and childlike would heal the world of its ills.
So we are very much willing to cooperate, only I don’t know if they are – MJ’s haters know perfectly well that the poor victims of child abuse are the first people whom they successfully brainwashed, and after that they mock at us that there is no cooperation?
However there is one thing over which I agree with haters – it would be “far more fulfilling” to defend children instead of trashing the name of a dead star who was found innocent despite all effort to prove otherwise. He is dead anyway, so what’s the need to be so terribly preoccupied with him?
If they address a similar question to us I will explain.
Restoring the good name of an innocent person is a worthy cause which may take years or even decades, and for the sake of JUSTICE Michael’s supporters are ready to do it for as long as it takes.
But it is totally not the same as the desire to restore LIES. Besides being a sort of a perverse obsession this desire is also totally incomprehensible from the point of view of normal people – why meddle with all these lies if every new day brings new evidence of Michael Jackson’s innocence?
3. THE FINAL EVIDENCE OF MICHAEL JACKSON’S INNOCENCE
The recent and final evidence of Michael’s innocence came from the least expected quarters. Haters wanted to impress the world with the hoarse and hardly recognizable voice of half-sedated Michael, but instead impressed us by the irrefutable proof of his purity and innocence.
Being in a half-conscious state and falling asleep in the hands of death doctor Conrad Murray Michael Jackson did the impossible – he told us what he was THINKING OF!
And what was he thinking of?
He was thinking, for example, of giving away his hard-earned money to sick children. At a moment when no one can control his thoughts or feelings he was dreaming of building the biggest in the world hospital for children!
He was saying that he felt their pain and knew how it hurt because he himself had no childhood… He said he cared about them because they are angels… He spoke of the world’s degradation and that he had no more hope… But he still wanted to heal children, a million children because children are so depressed… They are sick because they are depressed…
He said he wrote songs like Heal the world and Lost Children because he hurt, he really hurt... So he had to do it … And the next generation of people would save the planet at last… He said it was God who wanted it of him…. He said God wanted him to do it!
So being in a half-conscious state Michael Jackson was speaking about helping sick children and about GOD! How many more people are capable of thinking pure thoughts like that when they are not controlling themselves and are falling asleep?
Haters now claim that though no facts of molestation were found, they are still “not sure” because they do not know what he was thinking about.
Well, now that haters know what Michael Jackson was thinking about can I ask them to shut up, please? It is really becoming dangerous for you, guys, because even the Heavens and God are beginning to disprove your lies!
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Below you will find the transcript of Michael’s words recorded by Conrad Murray (most probably for the purposes of blackmail). However fate put the tape to a better use.
If you think you know what Michael said in that tape you are mistaken. What you were offered to hear a thousand times was only a small part of the words Michael said when he was falling asleep in Murray’s criminal hands.
The few sentences they gave you to listen to are far from the full content of it. The media didn’t want you to hear the rest of the tape because Michael’s words are too strong an evidence of his pure, innocent and beautiful inner world .
And it can be only due to the Heavens’ hand that the world learned of it despite the man whose least intention was to provide us with the final proof of Michael Jackson’s innocence.
MICHAEL JACKSON’S DYING MESSAGE TO THE WORLD
MJ: Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’ t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world”.
I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room. Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They are sick because they are depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels.
God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
CM: I know you would.
MJ: Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with – we’ll talk about it. United States, Europe, Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave — a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me – please take me with you.
CM: Mmnh-mmnh
MJ: I want to do that for them.
CM: Mmnh-mmnh
MJ: I am gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal The World, We Are The World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
(13 seconds, silence)
CM: You okay?
(8 seconds, silence)
MJ: I am asleep.
UPDATE March 19th, 2012 by sanemjfan
Last year I wrote a four-part rebuttal to the MJ Facts Info hater’s website, and here they are, in case some of you haven’t had a chance to read them yet:
Fact Checking the “Michael Jackson Facts Info” HATER’S Website, Part 1 of 4
Fact Checking the “Michael Jackson Facts Info” HATER’S Website, Part 2 of 4
Fact Checking the “Michael Jackson Facts Info” HATER’S Website, Part 3 of 4
Fact Checking the “Michael Jackson Facts Info” HATER’S Website, Part 4 of 4
Vindicating Michael 
“I said, ‘You don’t have to worry about cops or lawyers. If I find out anything, I will f–k you over.’ ” The detective took the assignment, but says, “I quit because I found out some truths… He did something far worse to young boys than molest them.”
Forget that he contradicts what he said in 1993 and1994.
Haters are too dumb to notice the obvious contradiction in those very words!
He told MJ that he would fuck him over if he sees proof that he is guilty.
But then what does he do when he supposedly finds out that he is guilty?
He resigns!
Yeah that’s a great way to fuck him over.
How so?
If he had had evidence and publicly disclosed it and gave it to the police that would have fucked MJ over.
But a simple resignation after which he publicly stated that he thought MJ was innocent?
That most certainly didn’t fuck him over.
Also, they forgot that that it was Pelicano who told Barnes and Robson to go on TV and defend MJ.
So he talked to those families and learned about their relationship with MJ was innocent.
Chandler never accused MJ of anything but molestation.
Jason Francia never accused MJ of anything but molestation.
So who were the other boys he discovered were victims of something worse than molestation?
And exactly how did he discover such information while the police and Sneddon and the whole media coudln’t?
Safechuck didn’t talk to Pelicano. Spence didn’t talk to Pelicano.
Both defended MJ in sworn statements so did their families.
So did Emmanuel Lewis.
Does he want to say that they lied under oath, they lied to the police but they told the truth to him or someone he knew?
Who was that person and why would any of these boys talk to him/her and reveal such dirty secrets?
The whole thing doesn’t make sense, as usual.
It’s like Murray’s “I don’t want to answer that question right now” but he started the interview by saying that
he loved loved loved Michael — de facto answering that question since him being a father he sure as hell wouldn’t have loved loved loved a pedophile.
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And while I’m not a fan of Murray, obviously. He did give us an insight to Michael’s life on a night and defended it.
Before the accusations, nobody knew about Michael sleeping in the same room with kids.
And people thought this was part of a ritual he’d take to abuse children.
But, why would he have dolls in his bed, as Murray claimed? If he slept in the same room as children to do the unspeakable, the sole reason for such behaviour, then why have dolls with him?
Michael Jackson’s problem wasn’t pe-phila. It was a deep and crushing loneliness. The likes of which none of us can comprehend.
Mannequins surrounding him? Dolls beside him?
We’ll never understand his loneliness, but it’s indeed very sad and very misunderstood. Misconstrued. It was the major cause of his problems, nothing else.
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It keeps going over in my head what Jordan said to the FBI. He had done his part.
It’s probably pointless guessing, but I wonder what he was talking about?
Was his part to get Michael in that position? Under the spotlight?
I often wonder if Evan’s motivation to accuse Michael was primarily about money? Maybe on his part. But it’s the mention of others involved. Did Evan do this under somebody else’s influence? We know Victor Gutierrez was involved before anybody knew about it. Before Evan actually met Michael and this is what pushed him into confronting Michael about the nature of his relationship with Jordan.
Gutierrez was already hunting for incriminating stuff on Michael and we know he confronted several families for information.
Honestly? I think Gutierrez and others pushed Evan into doing this. I think they convinced him that Michael was sinister or if they didn’t, they might’ve convinced him to do this for the huge payout and to get Michael out of Jordan’s life once and for all. Revenge might have been a motivation since Evan didn’t get that 20 Million for the business venture.
But the recorder under Jordan’s bed? The questions and the doping of Michael?
It seems that Evan was trying to get something for Gutierrez or whoever else, any sort of evidence. I often wonder if that blackmailing was designed to provide money, not just for Evan, but for those that were helping him.
Then when it came out in the open, those involved had to take deeper shots at Michael to get their bucks.
It’s a theory. But I think Evan was pushed and influenced by others into accusing Michael.
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He didn’t get the chance to build that hospital. So hopefully we can do it for him.
http://www.michaelschildrenshospital.com/
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You hit it out of the park with this post. Hater’s are showing themselves for the cornered rats they are. That’s why to “stay alive/ relevant”, lies become their only means of fighting back. Little do they know that our weapons are Dangerous, because the truth is INVINCIBLE.
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Guys, just a short note from me despite my temperature. Here is an article written by some idiot who doesn’t know the first thing about Michael.
He was told by a doctor that under propofol people tend to have delusions of sexual nature. Patients blurt out something “wildly inapproriate” – so inappropriate that before applying propofol they made his wife leave not be “scandalized”. This moron assumed that Michael blurted out something of the kind under propofol and as is usual for all of them he has no idea what Michael really said, and would not care to know!
He makes nasty jokes about Michael while all Michael kept speaking of under sedation was building a children’s hospital! He was dreaming not of making money, but of giving it away for the good of sick children! And he spoke about God! Who else can say it even about the best of us?
I wonder what this idiot would have blurted out if he had gone under sedation? All of them project only their dirty selves onto the man whose little finger they are not worthy of! And he sounds so conceited and so pleased with himself and his humor! What a disgusting manner…
And now they have started writing their nasty stories without a possibility to leave a comment there – they are afraid that if they do “rabid Michael Jackson’s fans” will stop them from spreading their dirt. Here is an excerpt from his idiocy:
Could someone please write to this paper and demand that they publish real Michael’s words to debunk this filth?
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“Final evidence? Does that mean we have finished vindicating Michael? I hope so, but I’m more concerned about sanemjfan, and his blatant homophobic language he uses over at topix. People are starting to talk, and I’m worried that people will realize sooner or later that ChasUGC is in fact sanemjfan. People are already saying that vindicate MJ has links with NAMBLA. Can you imagine if people learned that one of us was a massive homophobe. It would destroy us and this Free WordPress blog. Caroline please act now before it’s too late”
How very interesting. Each time I write something against real pedophiles some strange comments appear in this blog. It is so regular a pattern that I began to more or less expect it.
What is also interesting is that all I try to do is vindicate Michael Jackson, but as soon as I make a guess as to who the worst Michael’s detractors are these people appear from some dark corner all by themselves. Is it the call of the nature or what?
If it goes on like that these people will prove it themselves that they are the worst Michael’s haters.
@Those who think they have the power,
Please note that none of us from vindicatemj ever write on Topix. So whoever is writing there as ********* [vmj:name deleted] is an impersonator and should be reported to the topix admins who are allowing all their toxic free speech there.
And as regards the “people who say that we have links” with a certain organization please inform them that if they keep saying this dirt about us they will only force me to speed up my effort to destroy their organization.
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Final evidence? Does that mean we have finished vindicating Michael? I hope so, but I’m more concerned about ******** [vmj:deleted], and his blatant homophobic language he uses over at topix. People are starting to talk, and I’m worried that people will realize sooner or later that ChasUGC is in fact ********[vmj:deleted]. People are already saying that vindicate MJ has links with NAMBLA. Can you imagine if people learned that one of us was a massive homophobe. It would destroy us and this Free WordPress blog. Caroline please act now before it’s too late,
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@Helena:
Yes, Wiesner hat a power of attorney from Michael. It was told in the trial and it’s in AJ’s book (page 15). Wiesner even tells it on his website: http://www.dieterwiesner.com/michaeljackson.html ; he seems to be proud of it.
I know someone who read his book. She told me there are some supportive things about Michael, but overall it doesn’t provide much new information (at least for fans). I will ask her to make a kind of summary for me. If I get a chance to read the book I will do it.
@juney07:
As I told I think Prince just knew Wiesner from earlier times and perhaps Wiesner was contacted to accompany Prince, because there were no family members with him in Germany. We don’t know if Wiesner was involved in the charity auction. I cannot imagine that he was involved in the decision to donate Michael’s hand-written lyrics for this event. It was the Bambi charity event where Michael also had participated and donated something years ago. Prince did it very well, people got a good impression.
But it’s true that Wiesner cooperated with Joe Jackson in this perfume thing. They also were together in Monte Carlo at the film festival to promote it, as far as I know. Yes, there seems to be still a connection to the Jackson family.
@Rodrigo:
This is not the whole book, of course, just a reading sample. But maybe it gives an impression.
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Probably worthlles but I found this
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&gbv=2&gs_sm=12&gs_upl=3503l22007l0l22868l16l16l0l8l0l0l90l466l7l8l0&q=cache:yRZ8y5oouAAJ:http://www.randomhouse.de/content/edition/excerpts/295370.pdf+%22Michael+Jackson.+Die+wahre+Geschichte%22+excerpts&ct=clnk
You can probably translate the chapters. What I propose to do, is if each of us, who has the time, download the pdf of the book, and translate parts ourselves. If that’s possible for us to do? 🙂
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@Susanne, and anyone else who knows about Dieter Weisner. What was he doing around Prince Michael when Prince Michael went to Germany to present some of Michael’s lyrics that were to be auctioned off for charity. (Wonder what happened at that auction; did not hear another word about it.) This occurred about six months ago. I was shocked to see Weisner surrounding Prince Michael. I always had a bad feeling about Weisner, Konitzer and Marc Shaffel so involved in Michael’s life at the time of the Bashir documentary, then to see this man involved with Michael’s son was hurtful at best. Also, didn’t we see pix of Weisner comfortable with Joe Jackson when JJ was selling perfume in Germany? Does the Jackson family still have connections with Weisner?
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@VindicateMJ
It is a “positive” book, Dieter is back to being TeamMJ. Katherine Jackson wrote the opening for him in the book. I haven’t been able to read it myself but have heard it is supportive of MJ. It supposedly goes into MJ’s issues with Sony as well as the trial, but I haven’t heard much about those parts. Maybe a fan will be able to translate some of it for us eventually.
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“Honoring the child spirit,” Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, his second book about MJ – a wonderful book. The first book by this author about MJ- I look critically.
MJ was a true advocate of children’s rights. He was the best pedagogue in the world. He understood the world of the child in an extraordinary way. This book – further proof of what a great man he was.
His mind is a mine of wisdom. People who work with children should read this book. They can learn a lot from him.
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“I cannot forget how he published this personal phone call of Michael to him after Michael’s death. This was absolutely inexcusable, nothing a true friend does (and as far as I remember, Daphne Barak was involved).”
Susanne, yes, it was Daphne Barak’s doing. She and Dieter Wiesner released that tape sometime before the 1st anniversary of Michael’s death. Contrary to her usual practice Daphne Barak did not name the source of the tape this time and it was only later that we found out about Wiesner. She also had a program where he was a regular guest, so the connection between the two is a worriesome factor.
“But in the end he is a somewhat shadowy person. He always talks about greedy characters who exploited Michael, but he seems to be another one of them. Tom Mesereau was shocked about the power of attorney Michael had given to him.”
OMG, so Michael gave him a (general?) power of attorney too, like Tohme? He was either a very trustful person or they had a way to make him sign things like that. The minimum they did was persuading him that they were the only people who could bring his finances to order. Most probably it was due to Michael’s trustful nature and their exceptional skills of persuasion, because he believed Bashir in the same whole-hearted way.
“In any case, we (my MJ friends and me here in Germany) decided not to buy his book because we don’t really trust his motives and because I don’t think he can tell us anything new.”
Susanne, but could you please still read it? What if he tells us some useful things about Michael? And there is still a possibility that it might turn out to be a good book after all. Something like the second book Rabbi Shmuley wrote about Michael.
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Another word about Dieter Wiesner:
It’s hard to tell precisely what damage he did to Michael during the time he worked for him. He presents himself all the time as a good friend of Michael, he even defends him often and tries to correct some misconceptions. He told Charles Thomson for example that Martin Bashir went through Michael’s luggage in Berlin, which was interesting information. So he sometimes was useful in helping to vindicate Michael. On the other hand, he sometimes even creates misconceptions himself, and I cannot forget how he published this personal phone call of Michael to him after Michael’s death. This was absolutely inexcusable, nothing a true friend does (and as far as I remember, Daphne Barak was involved). And after Michael’s death he took every chance to be on TV to talk about him ($$$) – and now again with his book.
However, I’m not sure if everything in this Foxnews article is 100% correct. It could be partly exaggerated. Wiesner himself said he was never involved in sex clubs. This should be investigated.
But in the end he is a somewhat shadowy person. He always talks about greedy characters who exploited Michael, but he seems to be another one of them. Tom Mesereau was shocked about the power of attorney Michael had given to him. And let’s not forget that he later also sued Michael for money he felt he was entitled to.
Of course Michael’s kids know him very well from the time prior to the trial. So he might be a trustworthy person to them, and perhaps he was the only person they knew in Germany. So they probably felt good when someone was with them they knew.
In any case, we (my MJ friends and me here in Germany) decided not to buy his book because we don’t really trust his motives and because I don’t think he can tell us anything new.
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Thanks so much for clearing that up with me. Theres tons more to it than I first thought 🙂
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Suzy, I also remember reading that Michael stopped taking Evan’s calls after that shocking conversation – which is totally understandable! He probably thought Evan mad and tried to distance himself from him. However it only aggravated the situation and infuriated Evan more – people forget that Evan was a psychopath and had a violent and uncontrollable temper. Whatever suspicions he had (planted into his mind by Gutierrez, no doubt) they only flourished when all contact with him stopped.
Evan was not only morbidly suspicious but also jealous and envious that his former wife was enjoying all the benefits of associating with Michael while he was thrown overboard (or at least he thought so). When we read Evan’s conversation with David Schwartz we see that Evan had more issues with June than with Michael. If she was going to get all as Evan expected (meaning Michael’s millions) Evan wanted “only” $20 mln. for his film projects. Naturally without any trial. Evan threatened Michael by all the massacre to intimidate him and never expected Michael to want to take the matter to a criminal trial. And when the word “extortion” was pronounced, Evan began fighting Michael for real – this time out of fear of going to jail himself.
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What is their obsession with Jackson, Barrett? Well, it’s cognitive dissonance. They are the real pedophiles, yet they hate thenselves for it and don’t want others to know it. So they go after an innocent man who can easily be scapegoated due to his openness, as well as as his being so dramatically different from themselves. They are pathologically jealous of Michael because he is indeed innocent and a truly good person, unlike themselves, so they beat him down like schoolbullies. As they say, “The ones who yell the loudest are often the guilty ones.”
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“Of course now, there was the article claiming he quit because Michawl was doing far worse things to kids than molesting them… OK
I think jail has turned him very bitter.”
Jail seldom makes people better but this is not the point. A certain author named Christine Palisek indeed attributed these words to Pellicano (please note the dots between the two sentences which are used when something was snatched out from its middle):
However it is impossible to imagine things “far worse” than child molestation (except murder). We don’t know what Pellicano meant by those words and whether he said them at all, but the most important information for us is that it WASN’T molestation.
Pellicano could have simply joked that the way Michael spoilt children by “sparing the rod” and being unable to cope with their misbehavior was “far worse” than anything else, and it could be just Christine Palisek who jumped at the chance to interprete the joke in the usual way the media does.
What is also very interesting is that the same day Palisek’s article was published someone else published their own piece about Pellicano and in the same dailybeast.com too! This someone (editor?) published a chart where Pellicano was surrounded by his clients and as regards Michael Jackson a totally OPPOSITE opinion was voiced on behalf of Pellicano:
Damning information about the accuser’s family? So this was what Pellicano found?
And now let us compare the above dots in the phrase “I quit because I found out some truths… ” and the fact that Pellicano found “damning information about the accuser’s family”, and you begin realizing that those dots may be standing for this crucial ommission of fact made by Christine Palisek.
Pellicano found damning information about THE CHANDLERS’ FAMILY and NOT Michael Jackson!
And those words about “far worse” things he allegedly did can mean anything – just anything – for example, that he gave the family hopes for a “better life” and then those hopes crashed.
Here is the chart (Michael Jackson is No.7):
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“We know Anthony Pellicano parted with the Jackson team on bad terms”.
Pellicano probably parted with Michael’s new attorneys on bad terms (and not Michael) because from the outset of it Johnny Cochran began negotations with Larry Feldman about settling the case. Pellicano and Fields were strongly against it and that is why they had to leave.
More about what Pellicano said about Michael – this time after the settlement took place:
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“And I asked a hater before about the conflicting tales from both sides, obviously he believed Evan’s accounts. We know Anthony Pellicano parted with the Jackson team on bad terms.’
Rodrigo, before speaking to Michael’s detractors it is essential to have your facts correct. We absolutely do NOT know anything like that about Pellicano! On the contrary, when Pellicano left the team he once again said that Michael was innocent and there could be no doubt about it!
Here is the Los Angeles Times speaking about it (excerpt):
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Worth to see his behavior with children.
Here at home with children:
Here in the hospital with the children:
Just listen and watch to see his sincerity and innocence.
His poems from the book “Dancing The Dream” are also a great treasury of his thought.
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Many people say they believe that Michael molested kids because he said he shared a bed with them, but they don’t seem to think about it very deeply. People who share a bed with children for the purpose of molesting them are not going to tell ANYONE they have a child in their bed in the first place, they do everything they can NOT to be suspected.
It looks to me like Michael was very naive in this aspect and didn’t realise what people would think when he said that, because really, most other people would know exactly what other people would think about that and would never say they shared a bed with children. I really don’t think he had any idea that people would assume the worst. People who prey on children are sick but they aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to tell the entire world on TV that they have kids in their bed…
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“…..He knew his power was the power of God
He was so sure, they considered him odd
This power of innocence, of compassion, of light
Threatened the priests and created a fright
In endless ways they sought to dismantle
This mysterious force which they could not handle
In endless ways they tried to destroy
His simple trust, his boundless joy
His invincible armor was a shield of bliss
Nothing could touch it, no venom, no hiss
The child remained in a state of grace
He wasn’t confined in time or place
In Technicolor dreams, he frolicked and played
While acting his part, in Eternity he stayed
Soothsayers came and fortunes were told
Some were vehement, others were bold
In denouncing this child, this perplexing creature
With the rest of the world he shared no feature
Is he real? He is so strange
His unpredictable nature knows no range
He puzzles us so, is he straight?
What’s his destiny? What’s his fate?
And while they whispered and conspired
Through endless rumors to get him tired
To kill his wonder, trample him near
Burn his courage, fuel his fear
The child remained just simple, sincere….” – Magical child part 1
Sincere to the end.
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Rodrigo, yes, this was most probably the only thing that happened.
It isn’t worth discussing the “conflicting tales” further because these are LIES anyway. Lies may be small or big, lies may have grains of truth in them (to make them more credible) or may be totally devoid of it (made deliberately shocking to paralyze another person’s ability to think), lies may be sweet or nasty – there are incredibly many ways of lying, and it is only the truth that is simple and plain.
Discussing all those lies seriously and following Evan’s “train of thought” is doing nothing but harm to Michael because you get yourself entangled in these lies and spread them further. My posting those pieces from Ray Chandler and Victor Gutierrez wasn’t very wise either as this way their stories were given more publicity.
I had to do it because Michael’s haters always focus on that “cosmos” thing but do not disclose the fact that Michael was simply talking about his and Jordan Chandler’s several surprise chance encounters. If you come to think of it there were only two – one in the restaurant and the other one in that Rent-a-Wreck office (as the rest was just the Chandlers’ dogging Michael), but even these two make us think that “cosmos” doomed Michael to this fate.
However all those disputes about Michael’s “cunning”, “swearing” and his “tactics” in treating parents are just keeping up the game initiated and played by Michael’s haters. Only they explain Michael’s behavior by what they themselves do while for Michael Jackson all this is irrelevant.
Michael was NOT cunning. If he had been he would have never mentioned any slumber parties in his interviews. He was sincere to the point of harming himself and I know that things like that are possible because I happen to often do exactly the same. When people value the truth in its absolute form they cannot tell the truth selectively – be truthful on one point and lie on another. You feel that you are betraying your Father this way, to whom you answer for everything you do, say and even think, and this is why Michael truthfully answered that he would give his bed to anyone if this person asked for it.
I think he knew that he was damaging himself, but he couldn’t behave in a different way due to his appreciation of absolute truth. And once he told the truth as it is he could never go back on his words – which is also part of this “system of thought”.
Please note that all of the above does not concern Michael’s pranks – those were jokes where truth was eventually disclosed. They were meant for too boring guys who made life impossible by their seriousness (for example, Michael poured glasses of tea from a brandy bottle during negotiations to liven up the atmosphere of talks. Everyone thought it was brandy, while he drank glass after glass). Things like that I never do myself, but envy him that he did – when people begin taking themselves too seriously or get too pompous they sometimes need a good shakedown!
Did Michael use that word f***? Probably he did – when he wanted to impress someone by how “street smart” he was or that he was like “every other guy ” (for example, with Lisa-Marie Presley). It could easily be another prank of his too to shock someone too hypocritical and “pious” – but what is important is that he never swore before children and he never used the word with those with whom he was his real self.
He didn’t need swear words for expressing himself as he valued clean thinking and clean words, and all the rest was just a little game all of us play. There is even a book by psychiatrist Eric Berne called “The games people play” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_People_Play_(book)
The essence of it is that EACH of us plays games though sometimes we do not notice it! And it doesn’t have to do with “lies”, “cheating” or even “having some tactics” – it is just part of our character and social interaction with each other.
What I mean to say, Rodrigo, is that all people play games, including you and me. 😀
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Media focused on the manner in which MJ says, not his words. Media focused on the weak voice of MJ, not his words. They never listened to him, and this recording requires careful listening. These are beautiful words. These are important words.
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i have seen some michael jackson haters posts and i laugh because MJ haters are so ignorant. Any one can make up lies, they go the route of sitting on there lazy asses and read tabloids that make money on gossip and lies. They say that no one was there to know if michael actually molested those boys and I say, since you seem to think that he did do this then why did you stand there and allow it? Why didn”t you go and call the police as soon as he did that? You seem to think that he did this and you claim that no one knows if he did or if he didn’t. That is what the court system is here for. And the court has found him NOT guilty. there was NO proof. and in michael jacksons words,” they found nothing….nothing…..nothing”. It seems to me that for whatever reason the DAs office and the FBI wanted to ruin Michael. Why, i do not know but the truth prevailed by our court system and by many prayers of millions who know and love Michael by his actions of love and sharing and caring.
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I added an update that includes links to the 4 part series that I wrote last year to refute the MJ Facts Info hater’s site, so go and check them out if you haven’t read them already.
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Evan was a notorious liar, so I don’t think we should take his account of events at face value. I have a hard time believing he confronted Michael like that. At this point he still wanted to tie Michael to himself, wanted to be friends with him. And he wanted Michael to build an addition to their house and move in with them. If he was such a concerned parent, why? Of course, according to his own account in Ray’s book it was Michael who wanted to build the addition but again, that’s hard to believe. He never tried to do that with anyone. And if he was such a concerned parent why did he place Michael into Jordan’s room to spend the night after he drugged him up?
I think Gutierrez was already in his ears with his perverse worldview (and I believe he is the originator of the whole mess in first place), so Evan with his sick mind could have believed at this point that there is something between Michael and Jordan. However he was following Gutierrez’s sick train of thought regarding this matter and was happy about the supposed “relationship” hoping to tie Michael to himself with that. (See also Carrie Fisher’s account of Evan at the time in her book.) So if anything happened that weekend I’m sure it wasn’t confrontation, but Evan making offers to Michael, trying to pimp out Jordan to him – wrongly assuming because of what Gutierrez told him, that Michael was a ped-le. And I’m sure these offers shocked Michael. And remember, after this weekend Michael didn’t take Evan’s calls any more, so you know what Michael thought about Evan’s “ideas” and all this!
(I’m not sure why it doesn’t let to use my e-mail. It say there is an existing WordPress account to that e-mail, which is possible from far past, however I don’t remember the password, so I use a fake e-mail now to be able to post. I will check the matter out and if I can find my old password later. Suzy)
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Also remember, over ONE BILLION people tuned in to watch Michael’s memorial..I do agree that his relationship with people GLOBALLY AND HIS POWER THREATENED MANY,and was NOT welcomed by THOSE…….!
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WHY did some (alot) want to ignore Michael’s dreams that he spoke of in such detail( showing his true concern for children).while he was being taped by Dr.? Conrad Murray…..WHY wasn’t THIS tape played OFTEN on all the media programs….Instead of his DEATH PHOTO & AUTOPSY PHOTO shown repeatedly…EVERYWHERE!! SO SAD.I love you Mr.Michael Jackson-and I thank-you for all your dreams & hard work to make this a better world!
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Cheers for that, vindicatemj 🙂
Another thing. Reading that account of events, it really does contradict Michael’s character.
Evan says he asked Michael about Jordan, in a very serious manner, about the relationship, with those disgusting choice of words. Michael laughed at it and said I don’t use that word. But we know firsthand from phone conversations with a female friend on the phone, we know from his close friends, Michael DID use that word. Not a big swearer, but he did use that word 🙂
Besides, Evan’s account is so unbelievable. If he asked Michael that way, he would have most certainly have told Evan where to go and stormed off. Cause we know firsthand from many things, when Michael was asked that sort of thing, he HATED it, he would never have laughed it off.
Taraborrelli’s account is far more believable. Cause this does sound like what a very concerned parent Evan was, at the time, would say –
¨Look, are you having sex with my son?¨
And Michael’s response to that specific choice of Evan’s words is far more fitting with his character –
¨My God, I can’t believe you just asked me that¨.
Evan quickly changed the subject because he knew he just ****** Michael off. He got the confidence from Michael because he gave him a pretty straightforward answer about the relationship, not because Michael giggled like a schoolgirl…cause that kind of behaviour is what made Evan suspicious of him in the first place.
If Michael was that cunning and knew how to play the parents to gain their trust, wouldn’t he have realised that Evan was a parent not to be messed with and his tactics of ‘acting like a child’ wouldn’t cut it with him? That account has been deliberately tailored to suit the notion, that it was because of Michael’s act of ‘childlike innocence’ is what made Evan fall under his spell. Sorry, but that doesn’t work with me. Evan wasn’t that trusting and we know that, he ALWAYS had his suspicions, and even tried to lure Michael into traps. But they never worked, so Evan used his suspicions and his traps for other purposes, the grand finale.
And I asked a hater before about the conflicting tales from both sides, obviously he believed Evan’s accounts. We know Anthony Pellicano parted with the Jackson team on bad terms.
I said Pellicano was the only one on the outside of things, who knew what the true accounts were. So if they weren’t true, he could easily have talked about it, lied about, either way, he makes money. So why hasn’t he after all these years?
Of course now, there was the article claiming he quit because Michawl was doing far worse things to kids than molesting them…OK
I think jail has turned him very bitter.
But its so ironic that EVERY hater believed him to be a liar, because of his crimes, now that he speaks bad about, he’s suddenly to be believed! I just love that 😀
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“I’m glad I took a break from that legal abuse to just read his inspirational words, made me feel a lot better, despite anything else”
Mona, legal abuse is exactly what that contract is! As regards Michael’s words I also noticed long ago that what he says both directly or in his songs has a unique revival effect – it is like a ray of sun on a gloomy day that helps you survive and still hope.
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“Michael replied by saying after thinking for the words, “It’s cosmic”. Evan was clearly uncomfortable with that. Isn’t weird that when Jordan was questioned by that doctor, he said that Michael claimed that their relationship was meant to be in the “cosmos”?”
Rodrigo, it is so wonderful that you mentioned that “cosmos” thing. Haters are making out of it a whole theory of their own. Contrary to what they think Evan Chandler understood that Michael was speaking about the strange fact that he and Jordan had three chance encounters over the years.
Ray Chandler describes the incredible scene of Michael’s interrogation by Evan Chandler in his “All that Glitters” book, and even in his biased account it doesn’t sound the way haters interprete it. We can imagine how incredulous Michael was at what he heard from Evan Chandler:
Please remember that what we read here is Evan and Ray Chandler’s interpretation of that scene. And each person interprets things “in accordance with his own level of immorality” as we know. But even the Chandlers who, by the time of writing the book, were extremely hostile to Michael, had nothing else to say about him except that he was shy, embarrassed by that question, but showed no anger or defensiveness, and only giggled (probably nervously or in disbelief) at what he heard.
As regards “cosmic”, “fateful” or something which happens independent of our desire or control, all of us would use these words if we had several chance encounters with one and the same person within a several year period. It does indeed look strange – as if Michael was doomed to it. And there can be no doubt that Jordan, June, Evan Chandler and Michael talked about that occurrence on numerous occasions, probably saying that their “friendship” with Michael was predetermined and was meant to last forever.
Victor Gutierrez tells his version of it in his MJWML book (to see at what age Jordan “wrote a note” to Michael please remember that he was born in January 1980):
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Thank you, VMJ, for this post… Amazing words from Michael, especially in that state. I was studying the AEG ”agreement”, but I’m glad I took a break from that legal abuse to just read his inspirational words, made me feel a lot better, despite anything else. I just wish the haters could see what we all see, not just because facts exist, but because we are willing to hear them and are open to accepting the truth.
Peace
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“It actually scares me how gullible people are and how far the haters will go to deceive the masses. People just need to do their own research if they want to have an opinion. It’s great to have an opinion, but first learn the facts. Otherwise, you really don’t have a right to an opinion.”
Exactly, Linda. I can only add that some people need to begin plain thinking for a start. It doesn’t require much research to arrive at a conclusion that the Arvizos’ case was a sham from beginning to end, considering the time when the so-called molestation took place. Out of the whole pile of false “information” fed to the public, ALL they need is the TIME when the poor Arvizo child was “molested” – which was AFTER Bashir’s documentary aired, AFTER all the hue and cry started and AFTER the police began to be bombarded with demands that “this outrageous case should be investigated”.
I think the realization of the time when the “crime” allegedly took place should settle the matter of the Arvizo case once and for all – unless the people are complete zombies of course.
Haters will of course say that Gavin claimed “this” and “that”. So what?
All it shows is the amount of preparation work this family did and their con artists’ skills in making a “case” out of a complete zero. Their first demonstrated their skills in their suit against JC Penny when they forced the store to pay $150,000 for Arvizo boys stealing some goods from them (and for all the nonsense that followed it) and they wanted to do the same with Michael Jackson, putting him into jail first and winning a civil suit from him later.
So instead of believing their impossible lies the public should wake up to the fact that some people are capable of huge theatrical performances in order to reach their goals – especially when they feel that they are fully supported by Prosecutors like Tom Sneddon who had an agenda of his own.
Dishonest people like that do not change with time, so all that hypocrisy about them being now good “Christians”, “Republicans” or whatever (as Zonen says) is complete BS. In fact learning that Gavin Arvizo is a “Republican” sounds even ominous to those of us who have no idea who is a Republican and who is a Democrat in the US, and what’s the difference between the two. Frankly, it does a dubious service to the party if they welcome guys like the Arvizos. It creates a certain impression about it, you know.
I’ve been sent an article about Rabbi Shmuley also running for Congress as a “Republican”. He is going to “restore true values” if elected. Here it is: http://www.politicker.com/2012/03/14/former-michael-jackson-associate-americas-rabbi-shmuley-boteach-running-for-congress/
After reading all this one idea just crossed my mind – and what party does Tom Sneddon belong to?
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@ Barrett
Thanks for the correction 🙂 I forgot how much Bashir was a slippery little snake during that!
I was reading Taraborrelli’s, The Magic & the Madness, other day.
It’s interesting to note, that when Evan Chandler met Michael for the first, he asked him what his friendship with his son meant him. Michael replied by saying after thinking for the words, “It’s cosmic”. Evan was clearly uncomfortable with that.
Isn’t weird that when Jordan was questioned by that doctor, he said that Michael claimed that their relationship was meant to be in the “cosmos”?
Who thinks Evan told him to say that? Because he clearly misinterpreted what Michael meant and was uncomfortable with that. He believed that’s what Michael meant, that he and his son were meant to be together in the cosmos, and told Jordan to say it, to back up the accusations. His thoughts somehow rubbed off on Jordan… Evan really put is foot in it with that one.
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“By all means this work must continue. It is infinitely valuable and necessary as well as much appreciated by many who know Jackson is innocent and want details”
Thank you, Barrett (and everyone who find our work useful). We will continue and are far from finished.
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Hallo,
I’m making a difference between ignorant,brainwashed people and haters!
For the ignorant people: “Being ignorant is not so much a shame as being unwilling to learn” (Benjamin Franklin)!
But Haters are really unable to learn, for they are SICK!!!
They put their own darkness on an innocent and dead man, who is Michael Jackson. They think, it’s safe for them, they can compensate their hate, and the most important feeling for them is to get ATTENTION!!!
Regards from germany
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“Shortly after MJ´s death he was almost daily on a TV-Station to tell, how a good friend he was for Michael and last year he published a book called “Michael Jackson- the true story”. Sadly many fans here in Germany are not aware what he did do Michael, they think he is a “good guy”.”
People sometimes reform and maybe he is a different man now, but his past misdeeds are reason enough for keeping him away from Michael’s children now. If he has reformed he will understand that he deserved it by his own deeds, however if he hasn’t the reason for him sticking to them must be big money he is smelling around these kids.
It is so easy now to tell the children that he was their father’s “best friend” so that they eventually give him access to managing some of their MJ business!
Our job is to find as much as we can about Dieter Wiesner and sum up all the harm (and probably good) he did to Michael. And keep this file for the Jacksons to study. Let them read it when they get older and decide for themselves whether they want to keep his company or not.
The children are unable to do their own research of Wiesner’s doings, so I think it is the job of Michael’s fans (again!), especially those from Germany. If we don’t shield the kids from these vultures, who will?
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Rodrigo, If they have a problem with fans not believing the Arvizo children then they should hunt down and harass all the jury from that trial. They should harass DCFS. They should harass the teacher Gavin told he had never been molested. They should harass all the witnesses who helped point out how ridiculous their story was, including the prosecution’s own witnesses.They should hunt down and harass Gavin Arvizo for having a laughable story from the beginning. Their minds are distorted, they do not live in a world where they can engage people rationally. They actually want to cause harm to children, this is what their 3 years online every day with thousands of posts and sock puppets on twitter has brought to them. Who are they saving? What child has been helped because of them? I’m just glad these same people consistently end up revealing themselves for who they are and one day they will be caught. The longer they keep it going, the more evidence they reveal.
Sending children pornography, sending them rape threats, sending them death threats — these same people are directly associated with the MJFacts.info site and they know who they are, one of them even chiding the other not to go too far because they don’t want the police involved but still following and friending and DMing each other — is actually illegal and something that they have actually done and we can prove, something we can prove about them but they could never prove about Michael. If they could find any comments where Mike had demonstrably sent a child pornography knowing a 13 year old would look at it, or had sent a child “i will rape you with knife” or “i will kill you” as these people directly associated with that site had done, MJ would still be in prison now.
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Isn’t it also interesting that Dieter Wiesner only added to the problems Michael Jackson and Sony had between themselves? Wiesner lost the right to using MJ’s logo in Germany and Sony probably had to take back all MJ’s CDs from the German market which could cost them millions as a result. This is how some sex club managers were able to further take the two of them apart!
Hi vindicatemj,
this Wiesner guy is more than worse. What disturbes me most in recent times, that he is lurking around MJ´s children and seems to be involved in their business. He was around Prince, when he was here in Germany ! Shortly after MJ´s death he was almost daily on a TV-Station to tell, how a good friend he was for Michael and last year he published a book called “Michael Jackson- the true story”. Sadly many fans here in Germany are not aware what he did do Michael, they think he is a “good guy”.
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“What I find the most interesting is that they are adults badgering not adults, but underage children in their rants about Michael. I remember during Conrad Murray’s trial a person was persistent in tweeting Paris Jackson the autopsy photo of her father. This person tweeted it 122 times before they were stopped. At the beginning of their tweets they announced that they were being paid to do it.”
Lynande, I know of some other people who also get paid for the same job. Diane Dimond for example. Her interviews on TV just after Michael’s death, where she claimed that Michael’s children were ‘surely’ not his children, are no better than the children’s harassment these invisible commenters are paid for.
And the editors and producers of those TV interviews? Are they any better? And they call themselves civil people after that? These are barbarians worse than MJ’s chimp they used to laugh at so much!
After all we are talking about three orphans who have just lost their beloved father and in addition to their sudden grave loss these adults want to deliver them another heavy blow by taking away Michael’s parenthood from them!
This was unforgivable. I sometimes think these people are simply mad.
P.S. And the most revolting thing is that all of them like to talk about “poor abused children”. They are the worst abusers themselves and their hypocrisy is unbearable.
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“don’t you think you guys should back up these articles just in case these haters might try to sabotage this blog like hack it or something”.
@Truth Prevail, yes, I am trying to, but the past few days have been worriesome. Readers still write to me that they cannot leave comments, so some WordPress functions are still not operating.
By the way in case other readers have problems with commenting here is what the wordpress suggests:
I hope it helps though many wordpress bloggers yell that it isn’t working.
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I want to add that VMJ does astoundingly detailed and well-researched work here and I don’t mean that they should stop! By all means this work must continue. It is infinitely valuable and necessary as well as much appreciated by many who know Jackson is innocent and want details, as well as those who are wondering or are ‘on the fence’ and want to know more before coming to any conclusions. Fact-seekers can find such information priceless.
Those who chose to remain ignorant despise it because it proves them wrong. Unfortunately, as I explained earlier, their opposition to the truth about Jackson is useful to them — because it saves them from having to explore the truth about themselves and ultimately, from having to change themselves into better people. They can’t be helped. But people seeking truth and facts certainly can and towards that, VMJ has been of great service.
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lynande51 said:
“These people ask why would Michael need vindicating if he did nothing wrong.”
Michael Jackson needs vindicating because THEY did something wrong. VERY wrong. And the clearly are still doing something wrong. And they clearly still don’t grok that!
The answers are in their own mirrors. They’d do well to put down the tabloids and entertainment magazines, shut off the television and start thinking on that. You know ‘Man in the Mirror’ style. It’s not about what Jackson did wrong (because there’s nothing there).
I’d like to point out too, to Rodrigo that MJ didn’t sleep in the bed with children- that is a fabricated media meme. Breitbart (errr, Martin Bashir), deliberately cut out the part of his “documentary” where Michael clearly stated that he gave the children the bed and he slept on the floor. Also Frank Cascio, who was *there*, said the very same thing. This man (Cascio) knew Michael. He *was* in the room with him and the other kids. And he knew the accusers.
I’d believe firsthand accounts from someone who was there before I’d believe some cretin who fabricated something that doesn’t exist by deftly editing film footage and sold it to the world for his own promotion and profit. That’s what HE (Bashir) did wrong. What the haters did wrong was they believed it. No questions asked. No fact-checking. Nothing. Just heresay of the likes of character assassin Martin Bashir and of the ever-delusional and even more often wrong and blatantly hypocritical Diane Dimond and others like her.
Really. They need to get some clues. And the only place they will find them is in their own mirrors. However I doubt they’ll ever look there. It’s easier to point at someone else who is innocent. The word is “evolve”. Don’t hold your breath waiting for such people to do it.
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“They chose to ignore that Jackson was surrounded by such cretins all his life and that this is what caused him some of his prior troubles. They chose to ignore the multiple allegations and extortion attempts and the constant parade of self-interested parties swarming around – all looking to make a buck off of Jackson – one way or another, no matter what damage it did to him, his family, his life or his career.”
Here is an example of a kind of people who found Michael’s wealth an irresistable attraction. They made fortunes off him and never disclosed to him their dark past, presenting themselves as his “best friends”. Dieter Wiesner was a kind of an earlier version of Tohme Tohme for Michael:
Isn’t it also interesting that Dieter Wiesner only added to the problems Michael Jackson and Sony had between themselves? Wiesner lost the right to using MJ’s logo in Germany and Sony probably had to take back all MJ’s CDs from the German market which could cost them millions as a result. This is how some sex club managers were able to further take the two of them apart!
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“They didn’t hear Jackson’s words at all, nevermind how unfiltered, loving and innocent they were. They didn’t consider the circumstances or the innocence. They never do. They never will. It’s a certain brand of tunnel vision they employ so they can remain comfortable in their own ignorance, swallowing baseless and putrid propaganda wholesale regurgitated by the likes of Diane Dimond and the rest of the profit-driven-at-any-cost media. They feed off of factless vomit.”
Barrett, I think that haters will never change, but we are fighting for the rest of the people – those who are in between us and sit on the fence. I don’t know what prevents them from seeing the truth as everything is perfectly clear by now, but since they are unable to do it on their own it is our duty to snatch them from fire (as Gospel says). So we must keep up the effort. Truth will of course be eventually out, but it depends on us how soon it will happen.
The way I see it it is not even Michael Jackson who needs the truth more now – it is these hesitant people who need it even more than him. People should learn how to tell the truth from lies because it is for their own good!
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These people ask why would Michael need vindicating if he did nothing wrong. Well they are a perfect example of something. Like so many words in the English language the word vidicate has more than one meaning. One of those meanings is to be free of allegations of wrongdoing. Another is to ward off attack. Maybe if they quit attacking we would not need to ward it off.
What I find the most interesting is that they are adults badgering not adults, but underage children in their rants about Michael. I remember during Conrad Murray’s trial a person was persistent in tweeting Paris Jackson the autopsy photo of her father. This person tweeted it 122 times before they were stopped. They did it every minute for over an hour before I tweeted them and said that I hope for their sake that they were not over 21. It ended. At the beginning of their tweets they announced that they were being paid to do it. This is an adult harassing an underage girl through her twitter account. These are adults that continue to attack his children, and yes they are his children. How do they explain their actions because the ones I see that are guilty of abusing children are them. Who does that? What kind of person does that, that thinks they have a right to attack children on the internet.
They are in fact championing criminals when they champion the cause of the Arvizo’s. Does anyone reading on this blog realize that at the time of the allegations Gavin was in fact larger and had more muscle mass than Michael. Does anyone here think he could not have defended himself? Look at those two “boys”, take into account the lifestyle that they grew up in and tell me you think they were victims. They were only victims of their own greed and the greed of their mother.They really need to acquaint themselves with the reality that Michael was not even at Neverland but was in fact running away from the Arvizo’s when all that was supposed to have happened. When all of that was supposed to have happened either the Arvizo’s were not at Neverland or Michael was not. He was in Florida and then at the Beverly Hills Hilton. He only went back when he thought the coast was clear only to find that they had made their way back. He had to leave Neverland to get away from them.
As for the haters they stalk innocent unknowns on the internet as well and drag their children into it too. What makes them think they are so entitiled to their opinion that they have to harass and intimidate others? They post photos of Michaels friends that they have determined were abused and because of the haters harassment they are forced to hide themselves from anyone that might be out there to help them.
As for their take on the sleeping arrangements they have no idea what occurs in child molestation or they would know that it does not take place in the bed or the home of the perpetrator but that is what they get when they listen to one of them try to weazle their way out of trouble by saying what any innocent person would say. I have news for them. I work in a state hospital and listen to these guys everyday. They know what they are doing when they say stuff like that. If they want to know what one really means look at their faces when they are talking. That would make you vomit. Because like I have said so many times they look at children like a predator about to pounce on their prey.They cannot help themselves because it is what rules their life. They might be able to get some idiot on the internet to believe them but even small kids know when something isn’t right and they will run from these guys.
That is not entertainment or if it is entertainment to them I suggest they seek counseling. Fast!
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A shout out to the VindicateMJ team this is marvelous work you have here don’t you think you guys should back up these articles just in case these haters might try to sabotage this blog like hack it or something.
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I understand VMJ. The haters, however, didn’t hear that recording. They heard what the media *told* them to hear: a drugged-up Jackson being recorded by a “doctor” – and all their emphasis is on the “drugged-up” bit.
They choose to ignore how unscrupulous this excuse for a doctor is, recording a patient like that after sedating him, and without the patient’s knowledge, so that he could later offer the recording to tabloids for a hefty sum of money. They chose to ignore that Jackson was surrounded by such cretins all his life and that this is what caused him some of his prior troubles. They chose to ignore the multiple allegations and extortion attempts and the constant parade of self-interested parties swarming around – all looking to make a buck off of Jackson – one way or another, no matter what damage it did to him, his family, his life or his career.
Whether selling recordings of a sedated Jackson, or threatening the most heinous allegations imaginable to extort money from him, or fabricating damning “documentaries” (Edited Breitbart-style) and salacious televised gossip segments to build their “journalism” careers off of Jackson’s back – the gullible and willfully ignorant chose to ignore all of that, desperately closing their eyes tightly so as to block out the sight of truth – the bigger picture of what happened to the man.
They didn’t hear Jackson’s words at all, nevermind how unfiltered, loving and innocent they were. They didn’t consider the circumstances or the innocence. They never do. They never will. It’s a certain brand of tunnel vision they employ so they can remain comfortable in their own ignorance, swallowing baseless and putrid propaganda wholesale regurgitated by the likes of Diane Dimond and the rest of the profit-driven-at-any-cost media. They feed off of factless vomit.
That recording to us is a treasure, as much as it was a violation of Jackson’s privacy. It was to us, his last words – his last wishes – though he certainly lived to utter many other words since the recording was done. Even though slurred, that recording allowed those who are not deaf, vomit swilling shadow dwellers to clearly hear and see who Jackson truly was. It proved indelible his innocence for all time. Jackson unbeknownst to himself, vindicated himself in that recording.
It never hurts to point that out or to revisit it. But when certain of the audience are willfully blind and deaf, we are shouting at them in futility. Let them sit in their own little dark world, devoid of the light of truth while they fight like Hell to block it out. Let them keep suckling on the factless vomit from the media that demands it of them.
For the rest of us, yes – shout the truth!
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“What is their obsession with Jackson? I’ll tell you: riling up his fans for one thing. As for these little gangsters, they’ll get tired of bullying Jackson fans if they’re ignored long enough and they’ll move on to bullying someone else.”
Barrett, on the one hand I agree that these haters may be simple bullies who shouldn’t be paid any attention to, and this is why I very seldom engage myself in any disputes with them. But in rare cases when I do I use it as a chance to focus on something which didn’t receive enough attention – like Michael’s words in that tape, for example.
The media screamed with joy at the way his voice sounded and called him derogatory names, while the message of his words was completely missed. I don’t care the way he sounded – when I get up in the morning I also sound like a crow unless I drink a cup of coffee.
And I care very little for the fact that we hear him under sedation – in any patient/doctor relationship it is always the doctor who is the responsible side as the patient is helpless and fully dependent on him. Patients trust doctors because they are sure that they will never do harm to them.
This trust becomes all the more dangerous when a doctor wins the patient’s respect by successful treatment of his children, for example. You know it yourself that the doctor who proves himself to be top class in treating your kids is usually accepted by a parent without any reservations. Murray was exactly this very case.
Therefore the media terribly distorted reality when they blamed Michael for what Murray did to him. To call the victim responsible for his own death in the hands of a doctor is the example of utmost and simply unheard of hypocrisy. There is no other word but MURDER for a deed like that.
So in that tape all I focus is Michael’s words only. When the initial turmoil of emotions subsided I realized that those words were actually the Heavens’ revelation to all of us.
When a patient is in a state like this it is totally impossible for him to control his thoughts! Michael did speak about children – because he was worried about them in a measure we cannot even imagine – but all he was dreaming of was that he was going to heal them! He was thinking of building a hospital for which he hoped to earn money during those strenuous shows! He wasn’t talking of the debts, or earning millions for his dear self as most of us do – no, he was dreaming of giving away his money to heal those poor little unfortunate souls whom he calls angels!
And he knew that it was God who wanted him to do that. He said it again and again.
How many more people can say about it themselves that when they fall asleep they ramble about healing sick children and God who wants them to heal them? Try to imagine your spouse falling asleep with these words and you will understand what an incredible thing we are talking about.
Michael’s words are actually a thunderbolt or a lightning that erases all remaining traces of doubt which any of us could have had. This man was innocent like a baby…. And if we cannot imagine that things like that are possible, then it is more of our problem, than his.
This is why I engaged myself in a dispute with haters and am actually grateful to them for another chance to remind people about the gift from Heavens they have lost.
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What is their obsession with Jackson? I’ll tell you: riling up his fans for one thing.
Exactly! That’s all they’re about, just trying to stir up a fight. They’ve lost a battle and know it, so getting fights going with Michael’s fans distracts from the truth that is coming out.
As for these little gangsters, they’ll get tired of bullying Jackson fans if they’re ignored long enough and they’ll move on to bullying someone else.
That’s always been my way of dealing with bs. All they want is a fight, so if you don’t give it to them they get bored and move on to someone else. It takes longer with some people, but it does usually work. Personally, I won’t argue with people on the net. They hide behind the net like cowards. All the negative bs about Michael has been disproved for years now, but it’s all still being quoted as fact, and so sad a lot of people are still buying it.
It actually scares me how gullible people are and how far the haters will go to deceive the masses. People just need to do their own research if they want to have an opinion. It’s great to have an opinion, but first learn the facts. Otherwise, you really don’t have a right to an opinion.
All any of us can do is give out the facts, which this site does, and a few others and me when I get a chance. Funny, person to person, I rarely find people in person like so many haters on the net. They have nothing to hide behind, so if they’re haters they don’t reveal it, because they know they have no proof of their accusations.
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I said before, they do evil things to Michael’s kids and can’t justify it in anyway, but try to dress it up as a warped “TIT FOR TAT” sort of thing. Because of us speaking about the Arvizo’s, in a such a “cold and uncaring” way, that we are evil for believing them to be LIARS, and not VICTIMS, the haters think they have a justifiable right to torment Michael’s kids. Because they believe we are tormenting Michael’s “victims”. It’s a very sick and warped tit for tit. Their belief of Michael’s guilt, somehow gives them every right to bully his kids, who have nothing to do with anything in any of this.
And as I said, when I tried pushing them for a justifiable answer, I got THAT…along with a little bit of abuse on the side 🙂
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The haters from that site are the ones responsible for spamming Michael’s under age children with pornography and death and rape threats. They are responsible for trying to harass people in Michael’s life they believe were sexually abused by explicitly recounting graphic child abuse stories to them in the hopes this will make them confess to them and only them. They are responsible for trying to impersonate Charles Thomson and then while pretending to be him they post and share photos of under age boys. They are responsible for spending money on books written by convicted pedophiles.
The idea that this is all about protecting children to them is meaningless, this is some kind of entertainment for them. They have no interest in protecting children or in real sexual abuse, they show that by every piece of evidence they choose to dismiss, ignore or twist. They have shown that they are in desperate need for attention and any response or discussion with his fans just fuels that need they have in being in the spotlight. These people have done this every day for the last 3 years and will likely spend their lives doing the same. They hate being shown to be wrong and they hate that Michael’s name is finally clearing. Their fear in this blog, in Charles Thomson, in Brett Barnes and his children say it all.
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The haters are extremely ignorant to the truth.
What I’ve come to notice, may be a flaw in the sense that they live by. 99% of the time, every hater says the following –
¨how can you defend a man who slept with unrelated boys?¨.
But really, shouldn’t it be –
¨how can you defend a man who molested boys?¨?.
Do they say this cause THAT is the ONLY real issue that they know of for certain and have a problem with? Do they then believe the lies and the crap because it helps strengthen the issue that they already have? That a man who spends his time with children, sleeping in the same bed,as them, must be molesting them? Of course.
The haters never say confidently, that Michael molested the kids. Even a website dedicated to exposing the ‘truth’ about Michael, is now showing how truly weak it’s hand really is.
But they say confidently, that it’s not normal for a man to sleep with other peoples kids. True, but when you then try to say – ¨Doesn’t mean he was molesting them though¨, they then present to you the ‘evidence’ which should show Michael’s guilt. But all I’ve seen is stuff that can be interpreted in many different ways, nothing concrete at all to suggest Michael’s guilt, but when you tell them that, they turn abusive.
Very ignorant and very weak, sad desperate sheep. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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If these nimrods are oh-so-concerned with pedophiles, why don’t they go after Roman Polanski or the Catholic Church? Really. What is their obsession with Jackson? I’ll tell you: riling up his fans for one thing. They’re just incredibly ignorant bullies who choose to remain ignorant. Let them drown in it. The truth will out in time. As for these little gangsters, they’ll get tired of bullying Jackson fans if they’re ignored long enough and they’ll move on to bullying someone else. It’s all they have to do. It makes them feel superior, poor attention-starved people they are. Maybe try not being their narcissistic supply for a while. While you do so, they’ll get nastier and more blatant as they vie to desperately receive your attention again, which they obviously crave, sort of like a drug addict. Don’t enable them for a while. Even Elvis said: “Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t goin’ away.”
I’m not suggesting you cease your masterful research and publication of the facts surrounding Jackson. Rather, continue but don’t directly engage small, closed minds of narcissistic bullies in the process because they obviously gain much satisfaction from the attention and this seems to be the end to their means since there is no other logical reason for them to continue such an exercise in futility on their part.
The truth will out. You are on the right side of it. They are not. And at some point in history this will become obvious to the masses as the sniveling, whiny cries of those who wish continue these schoolyard bullying tactics die out.
Just a suggestion. And thanks for your work the man’s behalf whatever you decide to do.
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Well, Frank Cascio WAS in the room with Michael, as a child and as an adult, and he has flatly refuted the allegations as patently false. Frank knew both the Chandlers and the Arvizos…he speaks as 1st person witness.
Here’s a question for the obsessed idiots: Where did all the molested children go? The Estate has big bucks and MJ is gone. What happened? A whole lot of silence is what happened because none of it was every true.
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