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Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 7 of 7: Judging Michael

March 26, 2012

Looks familiar, eh?

Now, unto my next topic, there is a Christian blogger named “Surphside” (who I referenced in Part 1 of this series due to her derogatory comments about MJ), and on July 2009 she wrote yet another defamatory post called “Prove That Michael Jackson Was Saved

Prove That Michael Jackson Was Saved (Biblical Christian)

Why is it that professing Christians assume someone is saved and demands proof that they are NOT? It should be the other way around: assume everyone is unsaved UNLESS they profess the Jesus of Scripture and HIS Gospel. The burden of proof that one is saved is on them, because 1John 1 and Gal. 5 and Matt. 7 talk about knowing the person by their fruits and Jesus said in Matt. 7 that the road to eternal life is NARROW and hard and FEW that find it. All people are born dead and enemies of God, hating Him (Rom. 3, Eph. 2)

The majority of this world are going to Hell according to Scripture.

We are to test all who claim Christ to “see if they are from God” (1John 4:1).

Every Biblical Christian will have Fruit of the Spirit and works that are in line with repentance and being born from above (Gal. 5; 1John 1:6-9)

So the burden of proof is on you who want the Narrow Road widened, and want MJ to be a Christian, instead of the JW-turned-Muslim that he was. Show the proof then. After all, faith apart from works is useless, dead, non-existent. So, show all of us how Michael Jackson was a biblical Christian, even though he was JW and converted to Islam in his last two years of life (Islam and JW’s deny salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and they deny Jesus is God, which is condemned by God in Gal. 1:8-10). And those works and profession have to be biblical, btw. So I’ll wait for all that proof that He loved Jesus Christ and proclaimed Him and HIS Gospel. In the meantime consider this: 1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

So she wants fans to “prove” that MJ was a Christian? Well, in that case, I’ll gladly accept the challenge! To me, this challenge is no different than having to prove that MJ was innocent!

First of all, the foundation of her argument is totally wrong because she’s relying exclusively on the following two fallacies: 1) that MJ was a Jehovah’s Witness in the final years of his life until 2) he converted to Islam before his death. Neither of those statements are true at all! MJ left the JW’s in 1987, and he NEVER converted to Islam! First, I will debunk the myth that MJ was still a Jehovah’s Witness until the last two years of his life:

When news reports of MJ leaving the JW’s first surfaced in 1987, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York issued the following memo to its members in attendance of a national JW convention (the photo below is from Muzik Factory Two’s blog):

Also, in his book “The Michael Jackson Tapes”, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach interviewed MJ’s mother Katherine about her decision to leave the Baptist denomination and join the Jehovah’s Witnesses as a young adult, and her feelings about MJ leaving the denomination in 1987. Let’s listen carefully to what she says, from pages 175-182:

Religion in Katherine’s and Her Children’s Lives  

Shmuley Boteach: And are you “soft” like that because of your religious faith? Michael talks about your religious faith all the time. 

Katherine Jackson: No, I’ve been like that all the time. I wasn’t  a Jehovah’s Witness all the time. 

SB: You were a Jehovah’s Witness when you were young? 

KJ: I was not. I used to be Baptist. My mother raised us going to church school every Sunday and being in the Junior choir. 

SB: So you were raised Baptist? 

KJ: Yes. 

SB: And did you go to church? Were you a religious Baptist? 

KJ: Yes, I went to church but I didn’t like what I saw in the Baptist church. And so after I got to judge religion by the way the people act and they were doing it and that’s why I got out of it. 

SB: And where was this? 

KJ: In East Chicago, Indiana. 

SB: ‘Cause you saw things that turned you off and you decided to seek a better religion at the age of what. . . Twelve? Thirteen? 

KJ: Yeah. Twelve, thirteen. My sister and I were studying to be a Jehovah’s. . . Well, we were just studying with the people next door who were. ‘Cause Jehovah’s Witnesses come around and they teach the Bible to people. My mother found it and she got angry with us and made us stop. So after I got older, and I got married, and moved away, I remembered that. And that’s when I started to study. 

SB: Were you married? 

KJ; I was already married. 

SB: So you were exposed to the Jehovah’s Witnesses when you were a teenager.  

KJ: Yes.

SB: But your parents felt this was something they didn’t want.  

KJ: Right. 

SB: So they dissuaded you. But it stayed with you internally. So when you had more independence and freedom, you got married young? 

KJ: Nineteen. 

SB: Nineteen? My wife got married at nineteen. My mother got married at nineteen. It’s like a number in the family.  

KJ: Mmmm. 

SB: So you got married at nineteen and you moved with your husband to Indiana straight away? 

KJ: To Gary, Indiana? No, when we first got married we stayed and two months later we moved to Gary, Indiana. 

SB: So it was at that time that you went to find the Jehovah’s Witnesses again? 

KJ: Yes, but it was, I guess, about ten or twelve years later.  

SB: And what was the appeal for you? I know a little about it that I’ve read. Did you feel you found greater sincerity? 

KJ: Well, what it is about Jehovah’s Witnesses is it’s a religion that goes strictly by the Bible and they believe in doing right. Like, if you commit adultery or anything like that, you get disfellow-shipped. If you’re married and you commit adultery, which is wrong, then you get disfellowshipped from the religion. A lot of things make me believe in it. I believe in it because I believe it’s a true religion. I do. There’s a Creator who cares about you and then we have examining the scriptures daily. 

SB: Every day you have something to read? 

KJ: Aha. 

SB: Old and New Testament? 

KJ: Aha. 

SB: And you take these books wherever you go? 

KJ: Well, not that one [she points to a book]. But these are just testimonies by people about what they went through. 

SB: You feel it’s based on the Bible so it’s very authentic. Therefore, it’s a true religion, so it really spoke to you. And you then formally converted? 

KJ: No, I studied. You have to study the Bible. 

SB: Did your husband walk this path with you? 

KJ: He studied also but he didn’t become one. He thought it was too strict for him. My oldest daughter was baptized. Michael was at one time.  

SB: No other kids?  

KJ: No. No others. 

SB: And why was that? Why some and not others? 

KJ: I guess they did but I never forced anything on them. It was up to their own free will if they wanted to be. 

SB: So at a certain age you spoke to Michael about the religion and he took to it? 

KJ: No but, I guess he wanted to and he went with me to the Kingdom Hall. 

SB: Were you proud of the fact that he became a Jehovah’s Witness? 

KJ: I was very proud that he became a Jehovah’s Witness. 

SB: And by this time was he already famous? Or he was just a boy? 

KJ: He was already famous, in a way. Yes, he was famous because The Jackson 5 was very famous at first.  

SB: Right, so this was that age already with The Jackson 5.  

KJ: Right, right. 

SB: But he was the only one of The Jackson 5 who was baptized? 

KJ: He was the only one. 

SB: And he used to go with you on Sundays to church? 

KJ: Oh yes, aha. And he used to go on his own. 

SB: I asked Frank to show you this beautiful article that Michael and I wrote about Pioneering and the Sabbath. A beautiful article. [It was published on the well-known spirituality website] 

KJ: Oh, really? 

SB: Oh, it was covered everywhere.  

KJ: Oh, really? 

SB: Oh, it was huge. It’s a shame he doesn’t show you these things. It was a beautiful article.  

KJ: Oh why didn’t he show it to me?  

SB: It’s a beautiful article about how he loved the Sabbath.  

KJ: Mhmm. 

SB: So he would go with you. He told me that what he liked about them was that they never treated him differently. That although he was now a star, they would call him Brother Jackson. 

KJ: Aha. 

SB: They would go out of their way not to treat him differently, not less than, but not more, than any other.  

KJ: Yes. 

SB: Did you see that as well? 

KJ: Yes, they did. That’s how they think. There’s a lot of entertainers that are Jehovah’s Witnesses. I can’t think of the name of the group, you know, Benson, Ronnie Loss. Just, I can go on and on with a lotof entertainers that are Jehovah’s Witness. And they treat them the same. They don’t treat them any different. Just like one of them. 

SB: Did Michael like that? That he could just finally be himself? 

KJ: Yes, I think so. 

SB: He also told me that they were very good. That if reporters followed him to church they didn’t make a big deal about it. [laughing] In the article, we write jokingly “even reporters are children of God.” 

KJ: [laughing] That’s true. 

SB: Okay, so you have all these children, a few of them took to the religion and Michael was one of them, even though he was a big star. It has always seemed to me in our conversations that Michael has a natural spirituality, that he has a natural closeness to God. 

KJ: Yes, aha. 

SB: Could you comment on that at all? Did you see that from an early age? 

KJ: Aha. 

SB: Did he pray before he went to sleep at night? 

KJ: Yes, I believe he has. Like I have some children. . . I don’t know if they even, I don’t know, I can’t say because. . . 

SB: Are you comfortable with talking about this? 

KJ: I’m fine. But I know Michael is [spiritual]. He’s always been a quiet, loving child. And he just loved people, loved children. And we’d sit there and both of us, we’d just sit and cry when we saw. . . because it’s very sad and I knew then, you know. . . and he used to always tell me, “I know I can’t heal the whole world, Mother, but I can at least. . . I can make a start.” 

SB: I was discussing this with Michael yesterday. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays. 

KJ: No. 

SB: And is there a reason for that? 

KJ: Yes. . . Jesus’ death is . . . the only holiday that. . . 

SB: Okay, so there’s Easter. Do you call it Easter or do you call it something else?  

KJ: Uh, we don’t call it. . . we don’t celebrate Easter.  

SB: That’s the resurrection. You celebrate the actual day that he died.  

KJ: Yes. 

SB: Right, okay. Good Friday. 

KJ: And that’s the only day he said to keep. Not the resurrection, he said.

SB: Do you read the Bible every day? 

 KJ: Yes. 

SB: So this is. . . this is your life, your religion. It’s absolutely central to who you are. 

KJ: Well, yes, in all the Kingdom Halls [I attend five meetings a week]  

SB: Five meetings a week? 

KJ: But you don’t have to meet. We have a meeting on Sunday night which is where we go and they teach and we learn, things like that. You never stop learning the Bible. 

SB: Right. 

KJ: Do Jewish people read it all the time too?  

SB: Absolutely. Oh absolutely, we read it.. .  

KJ: After reading it day and night. I know you know all about that.  

SB: We read the bible every single day.  

KJ: Aha. 

SB: I mean, by this age already, I’m thirty-four years old, I’ve studied it my whole life. I know, I mean, I’m not trying to brag, but just from reading it I know a lot of it by heart by now. 

KJ: Oh. 

SB: At least the five Books of Moses, that is.  

KJ: Aha. 

SB: Which is what we focus on more than anything. More than Psalms or the prophets.  

KJ: Right. 

When Michael Left the Jehovah’s Witnesses 

Shmuley Boteach: How did you feel when Michael began to feel distanced from the Jehovah’s Witnesses? 

Katherine Jackson: I felt really bad because it bothered me so much. I cried about it, I prayed about it. And I really felt bad about when he disfellowshipped himself from the religion. They didn’t disfellowship him. And he thought that would be better because thought that he would be doing things and… 

SB: But what was their exact objection? That he was a pop star an didn’t fit in anymore? 

KJ: He would’ve fit in. But I guess, I really don’t know why he decided to disfellowship himself.  

SB: He disfellowshipped himself. 

KJ: Right. 

SB: Up until that time he was still going with you to church on Sundays? 

KJ: Yes. 

SB: So he disfellowshipped himself and did he discuss it with you before he did that? 

KJ: No. I heard that later. No, that’s what hurt so bad. Not that he was. . . I just didn’t want to see him disfellowship himself from the religion. 

SB: He felt that would give him greater artistic freedom, probably.  

KJ: Probably so. 

SB: Like with “Thriller” he had to do that thing at the beginning. 

KJ: Aha. 

As I related earlier, at the beginning of the “Thriller” music video there is a disclaimer which states that nothing portrayed in the video is an endorsement of the occult. As Michael explained it to me, he inserted the disclaimer at the insistence of the church. 

SB: Did you call him and say, you know, you should think about this? 

KJ: No. No, I didn’t because he disfellowshipped himself before I knew it and it was too late then 

SB: But do you still feel that he. . . It seems to me that he still has a very spiritual core, I mean like he talks about God with me all the time. 

KJ: Yes, yes. He really is. And I wish he would come back 

SB: Do you talk to him about raising Prince and Paris with some of the spiritual tradition?  

KJ: Well, I bring the literature to Grace [the children’s nanny].  

SB: Right. 

KJ: And I bring the little. . . we have a book of Bible stories for children and I brought both of them one and she has them and she reads it to them. And I don’t think he has anything against her teaching them or reading to them.  

SB: Right. As Michael became more famous, did you see any changes at all, away from the.. .  

KJ: The religion?  

SB: Yeah. 

KJ: No, I didn’t see anything against.. . No, I didn’t. The only thing he was doing was the way he was dancing at the time when he did “Billie Jean.” They always said the way he had. . . he was grabbing his crotch, and things like that. 

SB: Right, well he always jokes with me about that. He laughs at it. 

KJ: I know [laughing].

And here is an excerpt from Katherine’s 1990 book “My Family, The Jacksons“, on page 109:

     And yet, Michael seems happy. Even though he knows that he will never be able to live a “normal” life, he seems comfortable with his fame. I believe that when he’s good and ready to get married, he’ll do it, despite the inevitable press uproar.

     While I firmly believe that a good marriage promotes happiness, the surest path to inner peace and fulfillment, I believe, is through religion. This is why I also wish that my children will draw closer to Jehovah.

     I’m not worried about Rebbie. As she says, “The most important thing in my life is my relationship with the Creator, Jehovah God.” She proves it by attending every meeting at Kingdom Hall and doing her weekly Field Service.

     Dee Dee, Tito’s wife, has also shown a strong interest in studying. She brings their three sons over to the house on a regular basis to read the Bible with me.

     But Randy and Janet attend Kingdom Hall only occasionally, and Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, and LaToya not at all, even though LaToya was baptized a Witness several years ago. Marlon and Carol attend a Catholic church.

     Then there is Michael’s unique situation: In 1987, he left the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Michael didn’t inform me personally of his decision. When I learned of it, I was devastated. He had began missing meetings at Kingdom Hall earlier that year, but only because, he assured me, he was so busy finishing Bad and preparing for his world tour.

     There was a strong opposition to his “Thriller” video on the part of some Witnesses, even though Michael had an elder on the set during filming to advise him, and even though he ran a disclaimer at the beginning of the video stressing that he was in no way endorsing a belief in the occult. Perhaps the controversy figured in his decision to leave.

     But I don’t know that for a fact because I didn’t talk to him about what he’d done. I couldn’t. Witnesses do not discuss spiritual matters with a person who has disassociated himself from the Witnesses, including family members.

     But I want to stress that, contrary to published reports, I was not required to “shun” my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness. I just can’t ask him, “Why, Michael?”        


There you go! You’ve heard it straight from the horse’s mouth! Both the Jehovah’s Witness’ and Katherine Jackson each confirmed that MJ disassociated himself from the Jehovah’s Witness denomination, so there shouldn’t be any more doubts about it.

By the way, if some of you are wondering what’s the big deal with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and why so many Christians feel so much disdain for them, then  I would recommend reading this post titled “Michael Jackson as a Jehovah’s Witness” or go to a religious website or blog, as that topic is far beyond the scope of this blog!

Now, unto the lie that MJ converted to Islam! And before I start, let me be perfectly clear: I do not, in any way, shape, form, or fashion, have any prejudice towards Muslims! But the sad fact is that many people, primarily Christians (like Surphside above) and Jews (such as Chaim Ben Pesach, who I refuted in Part 3 of this series), have used the Islam conversion rumor as an ad hominem attack on MJ because it’s a surefire way to appeal to the prejudices that many people hold towards Muslims, especially in this post-September 11th world that we live in. I feel very angry that people would stoop to such low tactics as to slander MJ by saying he converted to a religion, because it implies that Muslims are inferior to the rest of us, and that is why I must so vehemently deny this lie!

And what’s truly sad is that MJ is not the only person this has happened to! To this day, more than three years into his presidency, Barack Obama is STILL perceived by some as being a Muslim, as the article below summarizes!

Poll: GOP Voters In Deep South Think Obama Is Muslim, Unsure On Interracial Marriage


Alabama and Mississippi Republicans are evenly divided on whether President Obama is Muslim and are still working out their feelings on the legality of interracial marriage, according to new numbers by Democratic pollster PPP. Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are currently locked in a close battle in the two states, which hold primaries this week.

Asked whether Obama is Christian or Muslim, some 45 percent of Alabama Republican respondents picked Muslim; 14 percent correctly identified him as Christian. Another 41 percent said they were unsure. In Mississippi, a majority of Republicans, 52 percent, identified Obama as Muslim; 12 percent said he was Christian and 36 percent were undecided.

Interracial marriage laws were overturned by the Supreme Court in 1967, but a significant minority of Mississippi and Alabama apparently still long for their return, or are at least ambivalent about the idea. In Alabama, 67 percent of respondents said interracial marriage should be allowed, but 21 percent said it should be illegal and another 12 percent were not sure. Mississippi Republican voters were even more divided: Only 52 percent said such marriages should be legal, versus 29 percent who said they should be banned and 17 percent who were unsure.

For the sake of brevity, I won’t present all of the evidence here that proves that MJ did not convert to Islam (you can read all of it in Part 3 of this series; the link to it is at the end of this post), but I will let MJ’s Muslim brother Jermaine put an end to this lie once and for all! On February 29th, 2012, Jermaine granted an interview with the MJJC fan club, and here is his answer to whether or not MJ converted to Islam:

MJJC: This is kind of random, but did Michael ever express any interest in Islam or becoming a Muslim? There were many rumors swirling around in the months after his death that said he was a Muslim

Jermaine Jackson: Michael did not convert to Islam. He was curious about it and I gave him many books to read about Islam. I write in the book how, during his 2005 trial, he returned to the Kingdom Hall to pray. It’s fair to say that he died a Jehovah Witness.

So there you go! Once again, straight from the horse’s mouth! And I’ve already disproven the rumor that MJ was still a Jehovah’s Witness, so for Jermaine to say that MJ was still one is indicative of how distant he was from MJ in his final years.

Speaking of Islam, despite the fact that MJ never converted to that religion, he still was loved all throughout the Arab world. Here are a few photos of him finally getting a chance to relax and enjoy himself in Bahrain after his victorious acquittal:


And here is the Minister Louis Farrakhan defending MJ in 1994! Farrakhan is one of the most influential Muslim leaders in the world, and his public support for MJ in his darkest hour was vital to MJ’s image, because it showed that there were many people in power who did not lose their faith in MJ’s innocence:

Next, let’s look at some quotes that MJ has made about God throughout the years in numerous interviews.  This is important because it shows where MJ’s heart was at, and who he gave credit and thanks to for all of his success and talents. These quotes are taking from the “His Faith” page of Debbie Kunesh’s Reflections on the Dance website; I’ll only post a few, but you can read that page for the rest of them:

A ritual before every show.

Caring. And reading the Bible, learning about God, Jesus, love. He said, ‘Bring on the children’, ‘Imitate the children’, ‘Be like the children’ and ‘Take care of others.’ Take care of old people. And we were raised with those values. Those are very important values and my family and I we were raised with those values and they continue strong in us today.” 

2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview

What can I do but bring forth the talent that God gave me?  That’s all I wanted to do.  To share the love and gift of entertainment.  That’s all I want to do.  I don’t want to hurt anybody.”

Michael Jackson

2002 Radio interview with Steve Harvey

“It’s been the children.  I am holding on for them or else I wouldn’t have made it.  I really wouldn’t have made it…..God gave me a mission, I feel to do something for them and they have given me the support and the belief and the love to hold on, hold on.  When I look in the mirror I feel healed all over again.  It’s like being baptized.  It’s like God saying, “Michael, everything will be okay,” when I look in the eyes of a child.”

The Michael Jackson Tapes

“I avoid using the term ‘religion’, because many people say ‘my religion’ this and ‘my religion’ that. Why should it be ‘my’ religion? I just believe what’s in the Bible with regard to which religion is involved. I simply believe…. I believe in it and I get down on my knees every night and thank God and ask Him to lead the way.”

1979 Ebony Magazine interview

Know, in the end, I’ll be vindicated, I pray, because I know the truth.  I am an innocent person and I believe in God and love God.”

Michael Jackson speaking to Rev. Jesse Jackson during his 2005 child molestation trial on what he wants his fans to know.

“This was written for me in the books. I have proven my part. Now God will be their judge.” Michael Jackson said on the evil doers who lied, cheated and betrayed him.

‎”Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible. You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through. I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration. – Love, Michael Jackson” (In his statement to fans after his acquittal.)

Notice how MJ (and Geraldine Hughes in many of her interviews) credited God with his acquittal, and here’s someone else who feels God played a part in justice being served: Gospel singer Kurt Carr! Here’s what he said about MJ a week after the trial ended:

Gospel artist and record executive Kurt Carr released a statement expressing his beliefs that “God blocked” the conviction and sentencing of pop-star Michael Jackson.

June 24, 2005|7:16 am

When Michael was acquitted on all accounts, immediately my song, ‘God Blocked It’ came to mind,” said Carr. “God truly blocked the 20 years of prison that Michael faced and the mercy of God was on his side. Even if ‘we’ thought he deserved it, clearly God intervened and blocked Michael Jackson’s demise!”

In regards to Jackson’s career as a musician, which has been described as “uncertain” at best, Carr had the following thoughts:

“I actually feel that God obviously has a work for Michael Jackson to do. Michael Jackson’s music brings peace and hope to the world unlike any other artist of our time and I believe God sustained and protected Michael because he has work to do and I pray that he finds his way to the kingdom.”

Some skeptics may scoff at those quotes as being something that some self-serving celebrity said to make himself look good in his interviews. But let’s look at what some other people have said about MJ’s faith, without even being asked to bring it up!

In December 1993, actor Corey Feldman was interviewed by the police as part of their investigation – or should I say witch hunt – against MJ. The reason I say witch hunt is because, in this interview, the police interrogated Feldman about his relationship with MJ, and if MJ had ever molested him. Feldman categorically denied any wrongdoing by MJ, but admitted that he had been molested by another man, who he named in the interview, yet the police took no action whatsoever to bring Feldman’s abuser to justice! Instead, they just shrugged it off and continued harassing Feldman about MJ!

Here is a quote from Feldman’s interview; pay attention to what he and MJ did before going to sleep! (Here are the links to part 1 and part 2 of a story on the interview, and here is an article from MJEOL):

Feldman repeatedly insists to the skeptical cops that nothing happened, not then and not the time he slept over at Jackson’s Encino home: “We stayed up all night and talked and did stuff and we prayed together before we went to sleep and he was wearing his pajamas. And I was wearing my pajamas!”

 In December 1995, MJ collapsed while rehearsing for a concert that was scheduled to be televised on HBO. A few weeks after MJ’s death, the doctor who treated him –Dr. William Alleyne – spoke of his experiences with MJ as he treated him for a few weeks during his recovery.  In the quote below, Dr. Alleyne discusses how MJ would visit other sick patients in the hospital and pray with them:

Near the end of Jackson’s hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.

Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn’t such a good idea!”

On page 63 of her book, “Michael Jackson Conspiracy”, Aphrodite Jones describes what Janet Arvizo told investigators about her relationship with MJ (this was after the Bashir documentary aired, but before she decided to falsely accuse him):

‎Janet  told the private investigator that she and her children had no stories to sell to the media, that whatever the media was trying to buy, just didn’t exist. The relationship between Michael Jackson and her children was pure and innocent. Janet said that Michael had prayed along with her and her kids, that Michael had talked to them about God. Janet Arvizo was annoyed that somehow, after the Bashir documentary, everything was being twisted by the media people who were bombarding her apartment, bombarding her parents’ home in El Monte, offering cars, offering money, desperate to get a sound bite or a photo of anyone in the family.

On page 74, Aphrodite discusses what Janet Arvizo said about MJ on the rebuttal tape that she and her kids voluntarily shot, but then lied and said they were threatened into doing it:

Janet’s first impression of Michael was similar. She was thrilled to meet the superstar, and to see her son’s face light up the way it did—just took her breath away. Janet said that Michael was an answer to her prayers. Janet swore that the doctors had said there was no way to cure Gavin, that all the treatments were experimental, that the doctors were saying that Gavin’s cancer was violent and aggressive. Janet described Michael as “a much necessary love in a very traumatic time in our life.”

“You bring him to me, and we will coat him with love,” Michael once told Janet. When the doctors were saying there was no chance for Gavin to live, Janet told the camera, “Michael would say, ‘I will not have that.’ When the doctors said there was no hope, Michael said there was hope.

By God’s grace, God works through people,” Janet explained, “and God elected to work in Michael to breathe life into Gavin and to my two other children and me.”

Here is the video of the eulogy of Bernice King, the daughter of the late, great Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In it, Bernice describes how MJ called her then dying mother, Coretta Scott King, from the Middle East as she was bedridden from a stroke, prayed for her, and the smile that Coretta was able to put on her face, despite her condition!

In October 2005, I was with my Mom when Michael called her all the way from the Middle East and although she couldn’t speak because of a debilitating stroke, she listened as he said to her that he had been praying on his knees every day for her. That to him, she was American’s true royalty and he wanted to know if music was being played in her room because of its healing effect.

My only wish is that he could have seen the glow on her face!  If faces could smile as we know they do, that day, Michael Jackson made our mother’s face smile in spite of her condition.  What an unforgettable moment! 

He was such a thoughtful, selfless man full of the unconditional love of God and good works that touched and changed lives.  He was indeed a shining light. 

Like our father Martin, and in remembrance of Michael, may we all be inspired to go and let our lights shine. 

Rest in peace our brother Michael.

Here’s an excerpt from an interview that Dr. Patrick Treacy, who treated MJ while he lived in Ireland, granted to Debbie Kunesh in 2010:

Michael’s mission is quickly apparent for those who take a moment to look deeper.  He wanted to heal the world, show love to everyone who came across his path as well as those whose paths he purposely set out to cross, and as he stated himself, to continue to love and help people the way that Jesus said to. 

Michael was deeply Christian and believed that private acts of charity were considered virtuous only if not done for others to admire,” stated Treacy.  “We should be reminded of Matthew 6:1 when Jesus says “Be careful not to do your acts of righteousness in front of others, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Michael, driven by his faith, stood true to those biblical principles, which is why he did so much of his giving in secret, with no cameras or press coverage, and incidentally, why so few, other than the die-hard fans and those close enough to get a bird’s eye view, really knew the depth of his giving.

Here is a quote from Eddie Cascio, one of MJ’s closest friends and confidants, who described to Oprah Winfrey on her December 6th, 2010 show how MJ would make sure everyone prayed before meals:

EDDIE CASCIO: He would just come up and enjoy family dinners and just be part of the family. He would always make sure that before every meal that we’d say our prayers and say grace, and, you know, even afterwards we’d have sit-downs, and we’d all go through and, you know, just talk about what we’re thankful for, and, you know, those type of memories that we all have are just–they’re really priceless, you know, because that was Michael.

One of the basic tenets of Christianity is forgiveness, and Christians are taught to forgive others the same way that God has forgiven them. MJ certainly went above and beyond the call of duty to obey that commandment when he forgave his sister Latoya for doing the unthinkable to him in 1993! She publicly accused him of being a child molester, not once, but twice!

Here is the video of the press conference that she claims she was “forced” to give by her abusive husband Jack Gordon. She claimed that she had no idea what she was supposed to say until she got to the microphone and read a script that was given to her at the last minute:

And this is what she said the very next day on the Today Show with Katie Couric!

As you can imagine, fans were very upset with Latoya, and in the video below, security had to protect Latoya as she sat in front of a studio audience spewing more lies about Michael! Listen to someone from the audience chant “Latoya, why do you lie?” When MJ said that his fans are like “activists” who will fight to defend him, he wasn’t kidding!

“My fans are activists – they will fight you to defend me” – Michael Jackson

After Latoya escaped from jack Gordon, and eventually divorced him, she recanted her previous claims and reconciled with Michael:

Let’s be honest; how many of us would forgive our sister or brother if they stabbed us in the back like that? Not very many! MJ truly had God in his heart for him to forgive the unforgivable from Latoya!

And despite the horrors he endured during his trial, after his acquittal he still vowed to be a force for good in the world, and to help the less fortunate, BUT FROM A DISTANCE, OF COURSE!!! He never lost his desire to be charitable! Listen to what Katherine said beginning at 2:40:

Next, I want to refute the notion that many people in the church have of MJ: that if he had been a Gospel artist, he wouldn’t have been “weird”, and he wouldn’t have mutilated his face or bleached his skin, and he wouldn’t have had any problems in his life, blah, blah, blah, and I want to take the opportunity to show examples of people who, on the outside, appear to be the “perfect” Christian, and would have been “approved” by judgmental bigots like Surphside, yet they all had personal scandals!

I’m not trying to mock the following people, but merely to highlight their scandals to show that bad things happen to people who appear to be “good” and “moral”, and NOBODY is morally superior to anyone else! We’re all human, no matter how “righteous” we may appear on the outside!

Pastor Grant Storms is a prominent anti-gay preacher from Louisiana, and is widely known for his picketing of the annual Southern Decadence and Mardi Gras festivals in New Orleans. He is also a vehement opponent of same-sex marriage, as you would expect. In March 2011, Storms was arrested for masturbating in a public park in a van as he watched underage children playing. Two onlookers noticed his actions and called police, and after his arrest he issued a public apology to the gay community for his hypocrisy, admitted to having a problem with pornography, but denied being a pedophile:

Grant Storms Arrested: Anti-Gay Christian Pastor Charged Over Public Masturbation

Rev. Grant Storms, a renowned anti-gay Christian pastor from Louisiana, was arrested last week for masturbating at a public park, in the vicinity of a carousel and playground where children were present.

According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, one woman saw Storms parked in his van “looking at the playground area that contained children playing, with his zipper down…,” the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office report read. After judging that Storms was masturbating, the woman and another mother who witnessed the event both alerted deputies.

After being apprehended by authorities, Storms claimed that he had been urinating into a bottle. He was then booked for obscenity — charges that he denied — and then released due to overcrowding in the jail.

The pastor appeared less willing to discuss the matter at a press conference on Tuesday, during which he blamed “pornography” for the incident.

Pornography is destructive and it can ruin a person’s life, and it ruined my life,” he said at the conference, admitting that he had his hands in his pants, but maintaining that he wasn’t masturbating. “Do I have problems? Yes. Did I do something wrong? Yes.”

Despite his apology, which he also extended to the gay community, to which he has been a prominent opponent, Grants also denied claims that he had been “looking at the children” in the area.

In September 2010, Bishop Eddie Long, a megachurch pastor from Atlanta, GA, known for his strong anti-gay views and staunch opposition to gay marriage, was sued for sexual misconduct by four young men who claimed that they were seduced by Long as teenagers. They claimed that he used the Bible and his position of authority to have sexual relations with them. (Three of the lawsuits were leaked to the press, and you can read the salacious details here, here, and here.) Below are some videos of his accusers describing their experiences with Long (something that you’ll NEVER see any of MJ’s accusers ever doing!), and you can find many other videos of his accusers on YouTube as well:


Long initially vowed vigorously fight the allegations, but instead reached an out of court settlement with them in May 2011 for an estimated $15 million dollars! (A fifth accuser received money as well!) In September 2011, lawyers for the church sought to have $900k dollars returned from the accusers because they violated the terms of their confidentiality agreement.

In December 2011, Long announced that he would leave his church, and his wife filed for divorce from him (although she eventually retracted her divorce claims, and returned to his church.)

In February 2012, as an act of maturity and contrition (yeah, right!), Eddie Long held a ceremony at his church, in which he was crowned as a “king”!!

Eddie Long crowned ‘king’; religious leaders aren’t impressed

By Elizabeth Flock

Megachurch leader Eddie Long is making waves once again after a video being circulated on the Web shows him being crowned “king” in an elaborate ceremony, the Associated Press reports. Other religious leaders have called the video “repulsive” and “inappropriate.”

The video, taken at a service last Sunday at Long’s church, New Birth Missionary Baptist in Lithonia, Ga., and released Wednesday, shows Messianic preacher Rabbi Ralph Messer instructing men to wrap Long in a ritual shawl, which Jews call a tallis.

He’s a king. God’s blessed him. He’s a humble man,” said Messer said. “But in him is kingship. In him is royalty. In him was a land of Israel.”

Long is then raised up on a throne to the ecstatic applause of the parishioners. “He now is raised up from a commoner to a kingship,” said Messer.

The Rev. Morris Tipton, director of media relations at the National Baptist Convention, told black news site The Grio on Friday that he is not impressed by the video. “God has called us to be serving leaders and not celebrities,” Tipton said. The convention is the largest group of African American Baptists in the United States.

Grammy nominated Gospel artist Tye Tribbet had an affair with a member of his choir, so his wife retaliated by having her own affair with Gospel hip-hop recording artist Da’ T.R.U.T.H.! Here is a summary of the entire debacle:

Gospel Rapper Da Truth Allegedly had Affair with Tye Tribbet’s Wife

Grammy-nominated Gospel rapper Da Truth has allegedly been caught having an affair with a fellow gospel rapper’s wife and was suspended ‘indefinitely’ from his record label.

Cross Movement Recording artist Emanuel ‘Da Truth’ Lambert has been indefinitely suspended from the label, Cross Movement records, for allegedly having an affair with his best friend’s wife. His best friend was Tye Tribett, member of Grammy-nominated and Stellar-Award winning gospel group Tye Tribbett & G.A. and it was his wife that Da Truth was sleeping with.

Get this: earlier this year, Tye was caught cheating himself – sleeping with a member of his choir who was his good friend’s baby momma. So now we’ve caught wind that Da’ T.R.U.T.H., who is Tye’s mentee, is having an affair with Tribbett’s wife Shante. Is Shante getting some ‘get back’ for Tye cheating on her early this year? 

Da’ T.R.U.T.H. has not straight out said this is true, but then he later went on his personal website to apologize: “In light of a moral indiscretion in my personal life, I will be taking a sabbatical from music ministry and teaching upon fulfilling my current commitments to work closely with my pastor, church and restoration team.

I have repented first to God and then to my wife and family. It is my prayer that my family, supporters and the brethren in Christ will collectively be able to forgive me.”

In February 1999, Eugene Robinson, a Pro-Bowl defensive back for the Atlanta Falcons, was awarded the Bart Starr award. The award is given by Athletes in Action, a Christian sports ministry that reaches out to professional athletes. The award is annually the player who best exemplifies outstanding character and leadership in the home, on the field and in the community. However, Robinson returned the award after he was arrested for soliciting oral sex from a female undercover police officer!

Falcons’ Robinson says he’ll return Bart Starr Award

Moral of the story

Posted: Friday February 05, 1999 12:19 PM

ATLANTA (AP) — Eugene Robinson, the Atlanta Falcons defensive back arrested on the eve of the Super Bowl, says he will return the award he won for high moral character the same day he got into trouble.

Robinson, who is in Honolulu for the Pro Bowl, told Atlanta station WSB-TV on Thursday that he would return the Bart Starr Award, given for leadership in home, on the field and in the community.

The 35-year-old Robinson received the award Saturday morning, the day before the Falcons’ 34-19 Super Bowl loss to the Denver Broncos. He was arrested that night for soliciting oral sex from an undercover female police officer.

Dave Bratton of Athletes in Action, the Ohio-based group that gives the award, said Robinson had not contacted the group about returning the award.

“We’re concerned with doing what’s right for Eugene,” he said. “I’d rather not say much of anything right now.”  

I could easily list 100 other scandals involving people who, on the surface, appear to be morally upstanding and pious, but I think you guys get the point by now! All of the aforementioned people would have surely passed the morality litmus test given by Surphside, G. Craig Lewis, Joe Schimmel, and the other MJ hate mongers who bashed MJ throughout his life and after his death! All of those people had problems and scandals in their lives, despite being “committed” to their faith, so the notion that MJ’s problems and scandals were a result of him not being committed to God is absolutely preposterous!

The people who were not committed to God were the people who forced their children to lie and accuse MJ of molestation (Evan Chandler & Janet Arvizo), the prosecutors who maliciously and vindictively charged MJ (Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, and Gordon Auchincloss), the detectives who bullied Jason Francia into making an accusation against MJ, and tried to do the same to Corey Feldman (Detectives Russell Birchim and Vince Neglia), the media hacks who did everything in their power to convict MJ in the court of public opinion (Maureen Orth, Diane Dimond, and Nancy Grace), and many others who were complicit in the takedown of MJ!

I hope that I have done my part to show Surphside and everyone else a true glimpse into MJ’s spiritual side, and have debunked the heretical assumption that if you’re a “true” Man or Woman of God, then you are perfect, and nothing bad will ever happen to you. If someone is still not convinced of MJ’s faith, then they’re entitled to their opinion, but in the grand scheme of things, their opinion is worthless, because MJ doesn’t have to answer to any of his Christian “critics” who I have refuted in this series. They’re not God, so they need to stop acting like it! And for them, or anyone else, to somehow take pleasure in MJ’s death because they think he was a wicked sinner, is also anti-Biblical, because the Bible clearly says that God doesn’t take pleasure in death the death of the wicked!

Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live? 11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? – Ezekial 33:10-11

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. – Ezekial 18:32

When I think of Christians who love to take pleasure in the death of people who they “judge” as being wicked, the first thought that comes to mind are the lunatics who comprise the Westboro Baptist Church! Here is a response to their madness! (Be sure to open the link and read Tahlia’s comment at the bottom of the post!)

It’s Amazing Who You Meet In A Cemetery!

The shocking news made its way around the globe – Michael Jackson is dead!

I must admit, when I first heard I had mixed feelings. I’ve never met him. I’ve never been to one of his concerts and at the time I didn’t even own one of his albums, yet he has been part of my life right from a young age. Every Saturday morning I’d watch the ‘Jackson 5‘ strut their stuff on TV. When Michael performed ‘Billy Jean‘ at the 1983 Motown 25 Concert, I remember the very next day wearing a single white glove to school to show my dedication as a fan and not to mention my extreme ‘coolness’. Then there’s the hours spent alone in my room practicing the ‘moonwalk‘ and imagining that moment in time when I, the geekiest guy in school, get to show off my super cool dance moves while my fellow students look on in awe.

I did get to meet Michael’s brother, Jermaine Jackson, about 20 years ago. We chatted for a little while as I cleaned his hotel room. But that’s about it.

Since his passing, there has been a lot said about Michael, some good and some not so good. His life was riddled with controversy. People have had mixed reactions to his death. There is a church group in America claiming to represent God called Westboro Baptist Church. They released a press statement the day Michael died saying that God was behind the heart attack which killed Jackson and ‘praised God’ that he was now in hell!


I visited their website and it made me ill. How can people who call themselves Christians represent God that way? Does He really hate people? The people at Westboro Church seem to think so. They target gays, those in the military, prostitutes, and even Joyce Meyer gets a mention! According to their beliefs, I’m sure God hates me as well for for even suggesting they might be misled.

But as I read through the Bible I see a very different picture of God.

Jesus got into a boat and sailed across the Sea of Galilee. He was exhausted. He travelled through a hurricane. He had to deal with disbelieving disciples. He arrived and met a demon possessed guy. Healed him. Then got back into the boat and sailed straight back to the other side.

Jesus went through all of that just for one man!

One man who society rejected. One man lost in a helpless situation. One man who He loved. You can’t tell me that God doesn’t love people.

Regardless of the life he lived, the choices he made, Michael Jackson was someone dearly loved by Almighty God. No matter how much the people at Westboro Baptist Church protest, they can never change that.

Did you know that Nate Phelps, the son of the “Pastor” of the Wesboro lunatics Fred Phelps, ran away from his family at the age of 18 and became not only an atheist, but an LGBT activist? After growing up under that repressive and abusive regime, can you blame him?

Nate Phelps, Son Of Westboro Baptist Church Pastor, To Speak At Reason Rally

This should be interesting.

Nate Phelps, estranged son of the infamous Westboro Baptist Church Pastor Fred Phelps, plans to speak at an atheist rally.

Never ones to miss a chance to picket, Westboro church supporters will protest the so-called Reason Rally, according to a news release from 

“Nate Phelps brings a powerful voice and story to the rally,” Reason Rally organizer David Silverman said in the release. “He shows us all that if you can come out as an atheist in that family, it’s possible anywhere.” 

The younger Phelps is described on his website as an LGBT advocate who, “speaks out against the dangers of religion and child abuse.” 

The site says Phelps left his father’s home at midnight on his 18th birthday after enduring “extreme physical punishments and abuse, extreme dietary and health requirements, and other extreme expectations,” while growing up under his father, according to the site.

The following quote from certainly applies to many of MJ’s biggest critics within the religious community:

If church were a college, most people would pay their tuition, get perfect-attendance, suck up to the professors…yet still fail

It’s not about the ‘college’ you go to. It’s how you use your education. How are you using yours? Are you using your knowledge, your skills, your beliefs to love, help others, and become a better person? Or are you simply using it as “soul-insurance”? The deductible is higher than you think. 

Too many people treat their religion as if it was a Greek letter organization.

Look at how some people of faith have treated this kid with vitiligo! He says that he’s been called a “son of the devil” by some people!

And while I’m on the subject of people who think that being a devout Believer is a panacea to all of life’s problems, let’s look at what MJ’s brother Jermaine said after his death:

“I believe that Islam would have helped him a lot. Had he converted, he would have been spared all the problems he had been subjected to throughout his life,” he said.

Um, excuse me? What credibility does Jermaine have for him to say that Islam would have spared MJ of all of his problems? Jermaine has been a “devout” Muslim since the late 80’s, and look at all of the problems he’s had in his life! I won’t get into it here, but do a simple Google search on him to find out what I mean! Look at how MJ referenced Jermaine and his other brother’s problems in the his song “Superfly Sister”:

“Mother’s preaching Abraham,

Brothers they don’t give a damn”

What MJ is essentially saying in that lyric is that his devout religious mother tried to teach him and his brothers to live by their religious values, yet they ignored her, and it’s obvious when you look at some of the decisions they’ve made in their personal life.

The last topic that I will address is the notion that many people in the faith community have; that MJ was “too weird” to be a Man of God, and he would have been “normal” if he had God in his life. I’ve seen many people refer to MJ as being “mentally disturbed”, but in reality the only people who were “mentally disturbed” were the parents who falsely accused him! Evan Chandler had bipolar disorder, and Janet Arvizo was a paranoid schizophrenic!

We talked about Evan’s bipolar disorder in this post and this post, which discuss  the role that bipolar disorder played in his desire to bring down MJ, his physical assaults on Dave Schwartz (the ex-husband of June Chandler, who he once knocked unconscious during an argument), and his attempted murder of Jordan Chandler in August 2005! Even Diane Dimond confirmed that he had bipolar disorder! One of the symptoms of bipolar disorder is manic depression (which was the root of Evan’s extreme anger and rage and violence in those aforementioned examples).

Micheal Jackson Accuser Jordon Chandler in Court Against Dad

By queenw on June 28, 2009

A strange turn of events among the peripheral people in Michael Jackson’s odd world has taken place. 

According to court papers obtained by this column, the young man who, in 1994, settled with Michael Jackson for $20 million was allegedly physically assaulted last year by his own father. 

Jordan Chandler, now 26, filed a request for a restraining order against his father on August 5, 2005. The reason for the order was that Evan Chandler, formerly a dentist and an aspiring screenwriter, had allegedly hit Jordan over the head from behind with a twelve and a half pound weight. He’d also allegedly sprayed him in the face with mace and tried to choke him. 

The two men, according to court papers, were living together in a luxury apartment in New Jersey. 

The bizarre case was remanded to trial by a pair of appellate judges on June 8th of this year. This followed a reversal of the restraining order by another judge who felt that Evan Chandler’s actions did not represent a pattern of abuse and didn’t qualify as domestic abuse. The appellate judges disagreed, reinstated the restraining order, and sent the case to trial. 

These last judges sounded a little surprised in their ruling that the restraining order had been lifted in the first place. “The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death,” they wrote, indicating that they felt Evan Chandler meant to harm his son.

Here is a copy of the court documents that prove Evan attempted to murder Jordan!


Read the bottom of this post for information about how Janet was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia by a psychologist who was hired by JC Penney to evaluate her before the civil trial (which never occurred due to JC Penney’s subsequent decision to settle.) Janet claimed that she was being “held hostage” at Neverland, being chased by “the killers” during her delusional episodes, so Sneddon exploited her stories in order to build his weak case. The feeling of being “held hostage” and “chased by killers” is typical of schizophrenics; in fact, the late R&B singer Donny Hathaway (whose greatest hit include “This Christmas” and  a duet called “The Closer I Get To You” with Roberta Flack) committed suicide by jumping out of a window because he thought “the killers were going to get him”! He was diagnosed with schizophrenia early in his career, but wasn’t diligent with taking his required medication, which led to his delusions.  Also, the shooter of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords  was declared incompetent to stand trial due to being diagnosed with schizophrenia!

Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ shooter ruled incompetent

TUCSON, Ariz. – Shooting rampage suspect Jared Loughner was dragged shouting from a courtroom on Wednesday before he was found mentally incompetent to stand trial on charges he killed six people and wounded Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

U.S. District Judge Larry Burns ruled that Loughner, 22, described by his own legal team as “gravely mentally ill,” was incapable of understanding the proceedings against him and assisting in his own defense.

He cited the conclusions of two experts, a forensic psychiatrist and a clinical psychologist, that Loughner suffers from schizophrenia, disordered thinking and delusions.

The judge then ordered Loughner sent back to the federal prison hospital in Springfield, Missouri, where the college dropout previously spent five weeks undergoing psychiatric evaluations.

Burns ruled that Loughner would remain in custody and undergo treatment there for the next four months, and he set a hearing for September 21 to determine whether his condition had improved sufficiently for proceedings against him to resume.

Janet also wasn’t on her meds during her testimony, and when you skim over her testimony (nevermind reading all of it!) you can tell! Here is an excerpt from “The Untold Story”, by MJ blogger extraordinaire Sean Chai:

Perhaps the most potent indicator that Janet Arvizo had schizophrenia was her own testimony during the 2005 trial. Over the course of five days on the witness stand, Janet claimed her and her family’s movements were severely curtailed by Michael Jackson’s “damage control team”, despite the fact that she enjoyed regular beauty treatments during her purported imprisonment, the family were treated to various shopping trips, they seemed to have a small army of people responding to their every need, and some of their supposed “escapes” from Neverland involved staff hiring a private limousine at short notice to bring them home. Janet claimed that Michael Jackson and his people used regular references to mysterious “killers” to control her, and that members of Jackson’s team were following her and recording her every move, even filming her various visits to beauty parlors and restaurants as part of “Michael Jackson’s positive PR”. She believed all her phone calls were monitored, including those calls made outside Neverland, and even resorted to speaking to people in a sort of code in a bid to avoid having her efforts to seek help detected. 

Here is a video from September 1993. CNN interviews a bodyguard who describes how celebrities are oftentimes the target of extortion from greedy fans and associates!  CNN wanted to put MJ’s situation into context by showing viewers that these types of situations happen all of the time! They even mention a lady named “Billie Jean Jackson” who claimed that MJ fathered her child, and they also mention the LAPD’s “Threat Management Division” who deal with celebrity threats.

Notice how Det. Greg Boles says that most of the perpetrators are disordered people!

I personally think that the term “weird” is a totally inaccurate way of describing MJ; I think the term “unique” is more appropriate, as he was the way he was due to the unique life that he lived as a result of his lifetime of living in the spotlight. There is a negative connotation with the term “weird” due to the “Wacko Jacko” caricature that the media used against MJ!

For example, people love to say that MJ’s desire to help sick children was “weird” and “bizarre”, and some have gone so far as to label it as a sign of a sexual attraction towards children, but I want to present to you a story that should help put everything into context, and give you an idea of what sparked MJ’s lifelong legacy of humanitarianism, which is summarized in the video below (and you can read a complete summary of his humanitarianism on this website):


In 1972, the Jackson 5 visited underprivileged children during the Christmas holidays, and MJ was moved to tears at the thought of all of the sick children that he helped!

Today in MJJ HIStory

1972 – In Los Angeles, California, the 13-year old Michael and the Jackson 5, dressed as Santas, make their appearance at Motown Records’ Christmas party held at the Pacific Townclub. J5 and Mary Wilson of the Supremes offer presents – on behalf of their record company, Motown – to 700 (according to some sources, others reporting a number of 400) underprivileged children.

In an article, titled “The Jackson 5 Really Changed!”, the writer points out that “the first time the J5 did a benefit at a children’s hospital, Michael came home and cried all night at the memory of all those sick children lying in beds, some not even able to move their hands to clap. That is when he became actively involved in communicating with these kids. He corresponds with youngsters his own age in hospital all over the country. These are not letters dictated to a secretary by a superstar, but letters written in Michael’s own hand during breaks in recording or rehearsing or even in school.”

As further proof that MJ wasn’t “weird”, let’s look at what two people who were very close to MJ had to say about him!

Here is a quote about MJ from Ryan White’s autobiography “My Own Story” in which he refutes the image of MJ that is perpetuated from those “newspapers you can buy in the supermarket”, i.e. the TABLOIDS! (You can read this post for additional info on Ryan White and MJ’s relationship):

I liked “Man In The Mirror” the best. Michael’s not flaky or weird, like you read in those newspapers you can buy in the supermarket. He’s real quiet and soft-spoken. Sometimes he takes a while to say things. He’s just kind of gentle and peaceful. He was a nice new friend for me to have. “Next time you’re in L.A., we’ll get together and have some good old fun,” he told me. Well, I couldn’t wait.

And here is a comment from Elizabeth Taylor made during Oprah’s 1993 interview with MJ!

Here is a quote by the famous Chinese philosopher Mencius, and it certainly applies to MJ!

The great man is he who does not lose his childlike heart. – Mencius

Well, that pretty much wraps up this series! I will end it on a positive note by showing how MJ has been celebrated in the church!

Here is a performance of “Will You Be There?” by Gospel singer Daryl Coley and Patti LaBelle at the 1993 NAACP Image Awards!

And finally, here is a photo that truly signifies where MJ received his incredible talents from!

Don’t forget to read the first six parts of this series, if you haven’t already done so!

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 1 of 7: Michael Was NOT A Devil Worshipper!

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 2 of 7: Michael Did NOT “Channel” Demon Spirits To Help Him Write Songs!

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 3 of 7: Refuting A Racist Rabbi!

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 4 of 7: So-Called “Christians” Who Have LIED Against Michael!

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 5 of 7: Exposing The Lies of the “Youth Minister” Jason Francia

Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 6 of 7: Christians Who Have Defended Michael!

UPDATED AUGUST 24, 2015 by Vindicatemj

Let me add to this post by sanemjfan a small detail no one ever told us about which I found quite by chance, when watching a behind the scenes clip of the Oprah show.

What they never told us is that Michael had the image of Jesus Christ over his bed!

So they spoke for decades about every scrap of paper and every book stored in his closed boxes in some attic (which Michael probably never even opened) but they NEVER told us about the big image of Jesus Christ on the wall? And they are telling us that Michael would do something inappropriate right under this picture? 

Sorry, by all these people are simply sick bastards!

The video:

A couple of screenshots:

Debbie Rowe and Arnold Klein are watching TV from Michael’s bed

The image of Jesus Christ over Michael Jackson’s bed

92 Comments leave one →
  1. marinaaparecida permalink
    March 26, 2012 8:04 am

    The most recent proof that Michael was a Christian up to the end is the movie “This is it”, which was filmed just some days before his passing. We can hear several times the star say: “God bless you!”. Or, this is a Christian habit. Muslims say “Allah”, as Jermaine did when he announced Michael’s death: “And may Allah be with you Michael, always.”

    Moreover, in “Michael Jackson A Visual Documentary” by Adrian Grant, authorized by Michael Jackson, we can read on page 269, under the subtitle “November 24” (2009 year):

    Michael Jackson’s New York lawyer, Londell McMillan, vigorously denies a British press report that Jackson has become a Muslim. “That’s rubbish. It’s completely untrue,” McMillan told reporters.


  2. marinaaparecida permalink
    March 26, 2012 8:06 am

    Correcting myself in previous post: “November 24” (2008 year)


  3. lynande51 permalink
    March 26, 2012 8:50 am

    Someone needs to remind surphside that the whole reason that Christ died on the cross was to save sinners and we are all sinners, even surphside.
    As for Janet and her paranoid schizophrenia: The number one delusion is that someone is out to get them. That is why it is called paranoid. There was also the testimony of Chris Carter in the Grand Jury about taking her home the one night and her “crying and praying: to the ceiling”. Hyper religiousity is another symptom. Everyone is either a god or a devil ( Michael is an Angel,Our Savior, God like,a father to my children,I saw the Devils long white tongue,I don’t want the Devils money etc. etc etc.). You guys should see some of the manifestos these people can write, I am reading one right now at work that is 600 pages long. There is also the fact that everyone says she stayed in her guest suite alone most of the time. That is called isolating. They do that so no one can see them responding to unseen others (visual hallucinations) or internal stimuli (auditory halucinations). But don’t for one second think that a paranoid schizophrenic couldnot make up a story and get someone to believe it especially someone like Sneddon that really wanted to believe it. That is called a Folie A Deux.This is when someone shares a delusion and believes it.It is the basis for the cult mentality and this phenomenon is where the term “don’t drink the kool aid” came from. It was referenced from the cult in Jonestown started by Jim Jones when he killed all of his followers in Guyana.Tom Sneddon drank her kool aid because that is what he wanted to believe to be true.


  4. TatumMarie permalink
    March 26, 2012 11:06 am

    First, bringing out that Michael disassociated himself from the Jehovah’s Witness organization is not successfully arguing the haters point. The hater is apparently attacking biblical teachings that Witnesses expound on and practices that don’t just disappear because one is dissociated.

    Second, Wikipedia is a site that is created by the public and is not completely accurate all the time. You should check out the Jordan Chandler accusations page if you believe opposite. I think it was on the inappropriate side to send those who want to know more about Witnesses to Wikipedia.


  5. cawobeth3 permalink
    March 26, 2012 11:44 am

    I think it was Karen Faye who said that it was during the making of Smooth Criminal that Michael expressed grief over not being a Jehovah’s Witness any longer.

    Yes, atrocious how some can even consider Michael has not shown he loves God. It’s just unconscionable. Did they ever listen to his music ? Or even hear his songs of compassion for others ? No, he doesn’t preach in his songs but his messages are God-like, like the meaning of his name.

    There’s so much here… To me the crux of this is “They’re not God, so they need to stop acting like it!” Exactly ! None can speak of Michael’s and his relationship with God, anyway; nly Michael can. Of course it would hurt for anyone to break away from a religion that has been dear for many years, especially throughout one’s developing years. I never even thought of Michael as being of one religion. I just think of him as worldly; not conforming to any one religion.I just think of him as someone who believes in love as God is love. And I do believe his love for Jesus but I don’t think of him as just Christian.

    My other favorite part is “unique is more appropriate”. Weird… peu… I am so sick of people referring to something or someone they don’t understand as weird. What makes a successful an innovative artist IS uniqueness. Like often said, MJ is one of the most misunderstood people ever. What is bothersome is judgement by people who haven’t ever taken the time to understand and have so much to say..

    Then for some to slander him on top of it ? Ugh ! One “Pastor”, Pastor Tim Conway of Grace Community Church of San Antonio TX put out a horrible video soon after he passed; playing God; mimicking the lies of media as he intermittently quoted from the bible to “prove” his slander. I wrote to this deranged pastor and offered him factual refs. to educate him about MJ. Now I don’t know what happened to the original one I heard which speaks about him siding with the horrid accusations, but I cannot find it. This new version shows up now which is which is still condemning.

    Close to 70,000 views it had from both sites where I found this video.Imagine ?


  6. Susan MS permalink
    March 26, 2012 6:54 pm


    Just want to express my sincere thanks and appreciation for the amazing work you do. It can’t be easy and it must take a lot of your time, but you are a wonderful man for the depth of factual research you do. Bless you and thank you.

    Elena, thank you so much as well!! What a terrific service you are providing. Hope you are feeling much better. Bless you.


  7. sanemjfan permalink
    March 26, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ Susan MJ
    Thanks for your compliments! It did indeed take a lot of time to do the research and write each part (it was a total of over 400 pages long!), but it was worth it! Now, it’s time for me to move on and start summarizing everyone’s testimony from the 2005 trial! But before I get to that, I’m going to update the post on Arthur Wright with exceprts from his book, which I bought a few months ago. (Depending on the length, I may just do a brand new post.)

    I included a rebuttal to that pastor in part 2 of this series. That was one of the most egregious examples of someone judging MJ without even knowing or researching him!

    By the way, I added a quote from the Eddie Cascio about how MJ made sure everyone prayed before meals, which is another example of his spirituality!


  8. Truth Prevail permalink
    March 26, 2012 8:30 pm

    Hmm interesting series with a lot of substance good work 🙂


  9. TatumMarie permalink
    March 26, 2012 9:48 pm

    I don’t like the solemn attack on witnesses in this article. I usually would pat you guys on the back but not this time.


  10. cookie666 permalink
    March 26, 2012 10:24 pm

    Wow, I never knew that Evan Chandler was bipolar and Janet was/is a paranoid schizophrenic. That sure explains a lot.


  11. Dee P permalink
    March 26, 2012 11:15 pm

    You are amazing. I just wanted to say once again that I read your work and have to say thank God for people like you, who dedicate so much time to uncovering the truth and to ensuring that Michael’s real legacy lives on. Bless you and thank you for all your incredible work. I know all too well how long it takes to investigate, uncover and then to promote the truth unwaveringly. Michael would be extremely proud of you. Keep up the wonderful work for him, for us, and ultimately, for justice.


  12. March 27, 2012 12:04 am

    David, here are some more additions from Dr. Patrick Treacy’s about Michael Jackson. Besides being a doctor Dr. Treacy is also a prominent humanitarian, so he knows what he is talking of

    “Nelson Mandela stood against the injustice of apartheid, Mother Theresa and Bono against the injustice of poverty, John Lennon against the injustice of war but Michael Jackson went further. His body of artistic work carried a spiritual message for these and all of the other injustices of the human race…those of racism, inequality, disease, hunger and corruption. His song ‘Man in the Mirror’ makes us realise that the path to Nirvana starts within ourselves through meditation and self reflection.”

    And here is a conversation between Michael and Dr. Treacy about a possibility of a visit to see two children who were severely burned and were in great pain. I call it a biblical conversation due to the spirit of it:

    “Michael wanted to go in and visit them and we discussed it at length. I thought it was a bad idea as the media did not know where he was, it would expose him to their hostility and it could be read totally the wrong way by seeing him going into a pediatric hospital so soon after the pedophilia case.

    He continually asked me “were they in pain?” “would they be given morphine?” “how badly were they burned?” “will you go in and see them for me?” “would they be scarred?” “were they from a disadvantaged background?” “why could he not go in to see them?”

    Michael would say to me, “Why do you say those things Patrick, that I can’t go in to see them? You don’t believe that I would ever harm children?”

    I said “Michael, I don’t believe you would ever harm a child!”

    He said “Then, why don’t you let me go into the hospital?”

    I said “Because, your innocence will get you into trouble!”

    He said “What innocence?”

    I said “You know, your inability to see what the media would make of it, is the reason you are in trouble in the first place!”

    He said “Do you think I would ever harm a child?”

    I said “No!”

    He said “You mean that from the bottom of your heart!”

    I said “Michael, I think you are like a modern day Jesus Christ!”

    He said “If Jesus was here now would you stop him?”

    I thought for a minute and honestly said “No!”

    Then he said “You never met Jesus and you do not know him as a person yet you would stand by him. You say you know me and you won’t! That is being a hypocrite!”

    I said “Michael you are right!”

    I still felt he should not go into the hospital and stood against it and I must say I regret it to this day that I did not walk beside him when he needed me most.

    You know, the children have contacted me since through someone else and said one of the greatest moments in their lives was the fact Michael thought about them.”


  13. juney07 permalink
    March 27, 2012 12:32 am

    This was such an eye opening post. Since his demise, certain members of Michael’s family have given such conflicting stories of various aspects of his life. I really feel they did not know him in the latter 10 years or more of his life. I knew of Latoya being hounded by the press in a 1993 interview claiming Michael was guilty (giving her the benefit of the doubt), but did not know she also appeared voluntarily during this same time on TV to spout the same trash, all the while being assailed by the studio audience and holding her ground. My gosh, security had to be called in! It doesn’t appear a gun was being held to her head. Only Michael could forgive such treachery. Jermaine claims in his book that Michael died a Jehovah’s witness and has said that if Micheal had turned to Islam in his later years, life would have been “better” for him. Yet you have provided proof here via Katherine Jackson’s interview that Michael voluntarily left JW in 1987. Michael’s siblings should keep their mouths shut concerning matters unknown to them. Thank you for this wonderful research.


  14. Susanne permalink
    March 27, 2012 12:42 am

    David, this is an outstanding last part of the series. It gets to the heart of the whole issue: that Michael incorporated all what the Christian faith means (or should mean, because reality is sometimes different) and what it teaches us from the Bible, whether it’s about giving and helping, whether it’s about being humble, whether it’s about justice, whether it’s about empathy or whether it’s about forgiveness – but that he also respected other religions.
    Thank you very much for all this work!


  15. sanemjfan permalink
    March 27, 2012 1:17 am

    @Tatum Marie
    After reading your first comment, I emailed you earlier to handle this situation in private. But instead of replying to my email so that we could talk in private, you come back and leave a SECOND comment in public that is very terse and judgmental, and you have the audacity to say that you won’t “pat our backs this time”. Well, if you don’t have anything complimentary to say about the post, then why say anything at all?

    I tried to handle this situation in private like a mature adult, but for some reason you want to try to embarrass me by accusing me of writing a “solemn attack” on Jehovah’s Witnesses. Please tell me how on earth did I attack them? All I did was present the negative quotes from Surphside about JW’s, and how she believed he was a JW until the later years of his life, and then I presented irrefutable evidence that MJ left them in 1987 from both his mother and the JW’s themselves! I didn’t say a damn thing about them! If you’re offended at someone, it should be Surpshside, not me! Why don’t you email her and tell her how you feel, instead of telling me that you won’t pat me on the back for all of the hard work I did on this post!

    You’re the only person who feels that I “attacked” the JW’s; if I truly did, others would be letting me know as well. Like I said in the email to you, I don’t mind constructive criticism or disagreements, but I do not like the accusatory tone of your comments, and I’m sorry but it’s not my fault that most Christian denominations feel that JW’s (and Mormons) are heretical cults! Don’t take your anger out on me!

    In the future, if you read a post and don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all! I made so many salient points throughout not only this post, but this entire series, and yet you want to sit there and be a Monday Morning Quarterback and nitpick something that someone else said that offended you, and take it out on me.

    The other admins and I have been through this before, because others have accused us of being anti-gay and anti-Islam because we have refuted the lies that MJ was gay and converted to Islam, so I’m used to it. I don’t have anything against the JW’s, but if you’re expecting me to defend them here, then you’ve come to the wrong blog. Go to a religion blog if you want to get into a religious or theological debate. I told everyone in part 1 that I would be 100% neutral towards everything, and my goal was merely to refute the lies said about MJ, and THAT’S IT. Surphside believes that MJ never left, and I provided contrary evidence. The issue is thereby closed to me. Let her believe what she wants about JW’s. Take it up with her if you disagree with her.

    You’re acting as if you want to cling to the notion that MJ never left the JW’s, and died as one, and that’s no different than the Muslims who want MJ to be a Muslim, or the gays who want MJ to be gay. It’s kind of like what MJ said in “Is It Scary?”: “I’m gonna be, exactly what you want to see”.

    I stand by everything I wrote 100% because I don’t see how I attacked the JW’s, and you haven’t presented any evidence of how I did either. If you’re going to criticize someone’s post, at least give specific examples!

    Tatum Marie, you’re a longtime reader of this blog, and I’m very disappointed in you, as I’m sure many others are as well.


  16. lynande51 permalink
    March 27, 2012 3:26 am

    “I don’t like the solemn attack on witnesses in this article. I usually would pat you guys on the back but not this time”.
    I was wondering if you could give us an example of what you see as an attack in the article? I didn’t get that out of it and I doubt that it was sanemjfan’s intention when he wrote it. What he was pointing out or what I go out of it is the piety of some people when it comes to Michael. What I mean by piety is that they say they are these “good” Christians and yet they talk nothing but dirt. Trust me I know people personally like that and it isn’t just about Michael, people like Surphside talk like that about the person sitting in the next pew at church and yet pretend to be good friend to them. That is called hypocritical and that was the whole point of this series. It was about the use of religion to talk trash about others. That was what I got out of the article but then I don’t have any bias toward any religion so I might have missed it because I know so very little about the Jehova Witnesses.
    The only true contact I have ever had with them is when they come to my house. I will say that I invite them in and listen to what they say, thank them and make sure they don’t have to stand out in the cold in the winter or the heat in the summer. I just always thought of them as a different denomination that was all. I guess that is because I have had to accept members of my family that are “born again” and have the ability to speak in tongues so after that as far as God goes with me just about anything goes except hypocrites.Oh and using God to hurt others like people like surphside do.


  17. March 27, 2012 3:59 am

    Your attacks on JW will not be tolerated. Where do you get off on criticising us? We are NOT a cult, we are a legitimate religion. That you call us a cult when your own idol’s mother is a member of our church is despicable. You should be ashamed of yourselves.


  18. Tahlia permalink
    March 27, 2012 6:34 am

    In my experience there are more hypocrites in religion than anywhere else. I spent 7 years in church. In that time I experienced a pastor’s wife who only wanted anything to do with me when she wanted me to do something, the rest of the time I would turn to see her glaring at me and I had no idea what I’d supposedly done. The youth pastor there stalked a 12 year old girl from the church and then admitted he was ‘in love’ with her and wouldn’t stop contacting her even after her parents told him to stop.

    My family left that church and went somewhere else for a time, and I never hear from anybody from there, I felt like I didn’t even exist when I was there! I left there and went somewhere else. I was happy there for a while, but then I realised the people there were very ignorant and unrealistic. I came into church after being in a train accident where a man committed suicide by putting himself in front of the train. I spoke to a woman at the church about it and she said “Just don’t let it take your focus off Jesus” and walked away. Many people there also wanted me to pretend that I didn’t have Tourettes Syndrome, ADD and OCD, and that I shouldn’t listen to doctors. I HATE those stupid unrealistic ignorant opinions!

    The youth pastor there told the congregation and the world that he was dying of cancer, but two years later admitted he’d been lying about it the whole time, he even went as far as getting around in a wheelchair and having an oxygen tank! Looking back on it it would have been quite obvious that he was lying if the people in church and myself hadn’t been so gullible and stupid!!!

    I left there and went to where my family was going, but the same ignorance and gullibility was there too. I left church completely about a year and a half ago and I have no intention of going back. I can’t sit and listen to people preach sermons that have no factual evidence to back what’s being said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and they don’t provide any. This isn’t meant to offend anybody who does believe it, I do have SOME belief, I just don’t think it’s fair that SOME religious people treat others like dirt for not believing things that don’t make logical sense.


  19. March 27, 2012 9:43 am

    “Your attacks on JW will not be tolerated. Where do you get off on criticising us? We are NOT a cult, we are a legitimate religion. That you call us a cult when your own idol’s mother is a member of our church is despicable. You should be ashamed of yourselves.”

    RealJW, I personally have very much respect for your religion. The way I see it, it is very close to the clean thinking-clean words-clean deeds ethics I try to adhere to (which comes from zoroastrianism, the ancient source of all religions, and the Gospel of course).

    But the main common point between us is of course understanding that we are only secondary to our Father, as we ourselves have no power over our lives as without His help cannot do a simple thing like waking up tomorrow (for example).

    So I can assure you that this blog has absolutely no intention to attack you or anyone else except ped-les, who have no idea of God and want the world to be ruled only by their perverse desires.


  20. Linda permalink
    March 27, 2012 9:56 am

    @TatumMarie PERMALINK
    March 26, 2012 9:48 pm
    I don’t like the solemn attack on witnesses in this article. I usually would pat you guys on the back but not this time.

    I hope you misunderstood something here, because I think you’re cool, but this article is very good and only exposes the truth. I don’t see that anybody or any religion is being put down. The only thing that threw me was Katherin saying she didn’t know Michael left JW until after he left.

    I read JW were upset that he picked up a gun in Smooth criminal and gave him a choice to give up his career or the church, and he went to his mom in tears because he loved his church, and she said she would stand stand behind his decision, to stay with his church or choose his career, and he chose his career. So which story is true? I don’t know.

    What I DO know, is that no one has to prove that i or anyone else is a christian! I think that is the point of this article. The bible says “You shall know them by their fruits” and Michael did have the fruits of the spirit. Actually he had more fruit than any christian that I’ve ever known and admins on this site point that out, factually. Everybody here is vary careful not to put other religions down, whether they agree or not.

    “Just the facts ma’m” should be a slogan for this site, because that’s what you get here.


    All I can say is great job again. This article was excellently done and I can’t figure how you find the time to do all your research, but I admire you and appreciate what you do.


  21. Tahlia permalink
    March 27, 2012 12:17 pm


    they weren’t attacking your religion, please read the post properly. Surphside is the one who was making bad comments, this post clearly states that.


  22. lynande51 permalink
    March 27, 2012 7:38 pm

    I would just like to let everyone know that the person that posted the comment as Real JW has a fake email when I tried to send one and they are using a confirmed proxy server to access our blog.
    The person or persons that tend to use the proxy servers are those that have had their IP addresses blocked so they can’t see or write a comment on the blog. This is usually done in conjunction with a disagreement between a reader and an administrator or between the administrators. We have seen alot of that in the past. That is how they continue to get in here to make unrelated comments to posts and stir up trouble on the blog. In other words it is probably one of the same people that we blocked pretending to be someone or something they are not. It is best to ignore them and continue as if they were not there because what they really want is attention. Let’s not give it to them.


  23. TatumMarie permalink
    March 27, 2012 9:07 pm

    @ juney07
    Jermaine was aware that Michael never joined any other organization nor was he practicing other teachings so it makes sense that he would write that Michael died a witness in his book. In the small service before the public memorial a brother gave the talk and the family met in a small group- this was a witness funeral. Michael would’ve had to have ties with the kingdom hall in order for them to do this and could have been possibly trying to make his way back.


  24. TatumMarie permalink
    March 27, 2012 9:18 pm

    @sanemjfan First of all, I did email you back in detail however you decided to embarrass yourself by to putting me on blast as if I’m a Jackson Fan Nazi. You’re pointing people everywhere but to the right sources about witnesses like haters do with Michael so of course I would want to publicly address the situation.

    I’ve said this a million times but apparently you do not understand that this is an attack on the JW’s faith. Michael dissociated himself in 87 (I never refuted that!) but there are teachings that are not taught in churches that witnesses expound on from the bible. His dissociation would not change those beliefs and that’s what was under attack from Surphside and the others. From the article, it felt like you were writing – You guys (haters) are right about witnesses but he wasn’t one anyway. The conversation with Katherine just proved my point that he never strayed from it and even continued to teach his children from Jehovah’s Witnesses publications.

    I’m not going to email Surphside because apparently ignorance is present- but you are supposed to be a researcher. I’ve seen articles written by your comrades here that have approached this topic in a more professional researched manner. When I addressed you earlier I didn’t curse or take a loud tone, so what is your problem?

    I am dissapointed in you as well so spare me the sob story. I don’t care what people think about witnesses the fact is that Michael was one for a huge chunk of his life and that fact alone should have inspired you to have a better reprensentation.


  25. TatumMarie permalink
    March 27, 2012 11:43 pm

    I wrote that it was a solemn attack. In this case a solemn attack could be an accident or encouraging false information about others by leading readers to the wrong sources. I did not include all the writers here because like I’ve said, I have read where others who wrote here on a similar topic have approached it differently. The writer of this particular article would have readers believe that the witnesses are an occult and organization that Michael’s mother is devoted to and Michael himself for almost 30 years.

    I don’t know what to make about Faye’s statements other than they’re her statements. She is not a Jehovah’s Witness and probably saw the situation from another perspective– if it even happened. As we already know Michael had dissociated himself a while before he began making Smooth Criminal- so someone talking to him about holding a gun would make no sense. Also, Katherine says in this conversation that she didn’t know he was going to make the decision (Karen claims she would support him) so we don’t know if that was really what this was about.

    I agree that no one should have to prove that Michael was a Christian but putting another organization down in the process just because he dissociated himself is not wise either.


  26. TatumMarie permalink
    March 27, 2012 11:50 pm

    I figured RealJW was a fake because for one thing their terminology was off. No one refers to the hall as a church.


  27. TatumMarie permalink
    March 28, 2012 1:51 am

    I believe it may have been your article previously, where there was a similar topic but you did not encourage the wrongful common thinking of witnesses. Your article was professionally written and not judgmental. I would have liked to see that same approach in this article because even if Michael dissociated himself he was devoted to the religion for most of his life. How could Michael and his mother be part of an occult for so long?

    The author accused me of wanting Michael to be something he was not. The problem with that opinion is that it doesn’t alter the fact that Michael was a Jehovah’s Witness full fledge in his lifetime.


  28. Linda permalink
    March 28, 2012 9:45 am

    Well, as far as I can tell, this article was very professional and well done. Fact is, Michael left his church for whatever reason and that was his choice. He chose to follow God’s word and not associate with any denomination, so I guess that means he became a non-denominational?

    I guess we all have to figure out what denomination Jesus was and join that denomination. When anyone figures which one that is, please let me know so I can join it. In the mean time, I’ll go with Michael and just believe the Bible.

    Please, no division in the ranks. We’re all striving for the same goal, which is to vindicate Michael, and IF you’re in the same rank, we need to support each other, and stand together. The instant we start fighting each other, we lose ground. We will still get there, but it will take longer, so we all have to be a house united to achieve our goal.

    If we start fighting among ourselves, we are being distracted, “intentionally” and we all lose, including michael. Just my thoughts.


  29. TatumMarie permalink
    March 28, 2012 9:57 am

    It would definitely have to be a religion that dwells specifically on God’s word for starters. Part of defending Michael is not being judgmental on all aspects of his life.


  30. March 28, 2012 10:14 pm

    “RealJW, they weren’t attacking your religion, please read the post properly. Surphside is the one who was making bad comments, this post clearly states that,” – Tahlia

    Guys, no matter whether this JW was real or fake our sanemjfan was not attacking the religion – he re-posted the disdainful comments from that Surphsie blogger (about Jehovah Witnesses and Islam) and sent everyone to Wiki to do their own research and form an opinion of their own.

    It isn’t attacking, but it is leaving the reader with the negative opinion which this comment forced on all of us – and this is absolutely not the best thing to do. In sanemjfan’s place I would have called Surphise ignorant, narrow-minded and self-conceited (or a modern-day Pharisee) or wouldn’t have posted her craziness at all as it only misguides everyone – it is nothing but the usual pseudo-religious playing with words which many people give and take for true belief in God.

    We have finally reached the point which I somewhat feared but knew it would come one day. Discussing religion is not the subject of this site, however not discussing it is also impossible as Michael’s deepest belief in God was his very essence.

    Michael Jackson fully entrusted and surrendered his life to God – whether he was within JW denomination or outside it. He developed his own understanding of God and began to feel so free in speaking with him day and night that he even once called him “She” in one of his poems.

    Developing a personal relationship with God is not uncommon now. Michael’s example only convinced me that the process is taking place everywhere in the world and concerns many of us who went through the experience of different Christian denominations. What is interesting is that it does not happen to everyone, but only to those who seriously ponder over Christ’s words and compare them with what is taking place in real life.

    And what they see is clearly going against Christ’s words. All major Christian denominations – I repeat all of them – are distracting people’s attention from the real meaning of Christ’s words by taking people aside into focusing on something else.

    This is done because following Christ’s words literally is dangerous. How will a soldier fight if he learns from Christ “to love his enemies and pray for those who persecute him”? Who will serve in the army if everyone adheres to the principle “Do not kill”? This made them somewhat adjust the New Testament to their own needs.

    Surprisingly, the Jehovah Witnesses’ denomination was among those few who realized the discrepancy between what Christians profess and do, and made their choice – they have chosen to live by the Gospel word only, simultaneously distancing themselves a bit from the state and not allowing it to intrude into the sphere of their moral values.

    Encyclopedia Britannica tells us more about Jehovah Witnesses. After reading it you will realize that there is one more reason why the governments the world over did not want Michael’s views to spread further and grip the minds of people:

    Witnesses hold a number of traditional Christian views but also many that are unique to them. They affirm that God—Jehovah—is the most high. Jesus Christ is God’s agent, through whom sinful humans can be reconciled to God. The Holy Spirit is the name of God’s active force in the world. Witnesses believe that they are living in the last days, and they look forward to the imminent establishment of God’s kingdom on Earth, which will be headed by Christ and jointly administered by 144,000 human corulers (Revelation 7:4). Those who acknowledge Jehovah in this life will become members of the millennial kingdom; those who reject him will not go to hell but will face total extinction.

    New members are baptized by immersion and are expected to live by a strict code of personal conduct. Marriage is considered a holy covenant, and divorce is disapproved of except in cases of adultery. Witnesses participate in the annual commemoration of Christ’s death, celebrated on 14 Nisan of the Jewish calendar (March or April of the Gregorian calendar); Witnesses pass around bread and wine, symbols of the body and blood of Christ.

    The Witnesses’ teachings also stress strict separation from secular government. Although they are generally law-abiding, believing that governments are established by God to maintain peace and order, they refuse to observe certain laws on biblical grounds. They do not salute the flag of any nation, believing it an act of false worship; they refuse to perform military service; and they do not participate in public elections.

    These practices have brought them under the scrutiny of government authorities. The U.S. government sent Rutherford and other Watchtower leaders to prison for sedition during World War I. In Germany prior to World War II, the Nazis sent Witnesses to concentration camps, and Witnesses were also persecuted in Britain, Canada, and the United States. After the war the Witnesses brought several suits in American courts dealing with their beliefs and practices, resulting in 59 Supreme Court rulings that were regarded as major judgments on the free exercise of religion. They continue to face persecution in several countries, however, particularly for their refusal to serve in the military, and they are often publicly derided for their door-to-door evangelism.

    The Witnesses’ distrust of contemporary institutions extends to other religious denominations, from which they remain separate. They disavow terms such as minister and church. Christian church leaders have denounced the Witnesses for doctrinal deviation (especially their nontrinitarian teachings) and have condemned them as a cult. Witnesses also oppose certain medical practices that they believe violate Scripture. In particular, they oppose blood transfusions because of the scriptural admonition against the drinking of blood (Leviticus 3:17). This belief, so contrary to modern medical practice, remains an additional point of controversy with authorities, especially in cases concerning children.


  31. sanemjfan permalink
    March 29, 2012 2:54 am

    I delayed commenting yesterday so that I could cool off and write a reasonable response. It seems like you’re saying I should have challenged Surphside’s views on JW’s, but as I said a gazillion times, I will never ever advocate or oppose anyone’s religious or political views on this blog! I only refute negative things that are said about MJ!

    For example, Matt Drudge and the late Andrew Breitbart are/were VERY conservative, and they both attacked the “liberal” media for attacking and defending MJ, respectively. Drudge also stated that when “big government” controls our lives, they can do things like take and keep photos of your private parts! (That was in reference to Sneddon keeping the photos of MJ’s penis ever since the 1993 case was closed.) The terms “liberal media” and “big government” are right-wing conservative talking points, and I would never, ever support or oppose them here on this blog, because it’s IRRELEVANT, and it could lead to an argument over politcs.

    Similarly, if someone of one faith or denomination speaks ill of another faith or denomination, I’m not going to support or oppose those comments. I think you’re upset because you have personal feelings for the JW’s after studying them for so long, and you’re using my reference to Wiki as a scapegoat. As I’ve said before, if I linked to the official JW site (where they don’t even address why they’re always under attack from other Christians), I could be accused of advocating for them. And if I had linked to an anti-JW site (many of which are run by former JW’s), you would justifiably accuse me of being biased against them!

    You’re being overly defensive of the JW’s due your personal affection for them, but you’ve been loudly silent about my lack of defense of the Muslims! Both Suprhside and the racist rabbi from Part 3 trashed Islams, and I linked to the Wiki Islam page, and you didn’t say ANYTHING about that! Similarly, you didn’t say anything about me for not challenging Drudge and Breitbart’s right wing rhetoric about the government and media!

    MJ may have continued to read the Watchtower and Awake brochures, and he may have attended Kingdom Hall a few times during the trial (in addition to the First AME church that he attended with Mesereau and Steve Harvey) but he did not rejoin the JW’s! If he had, then he wouldn’t have allowed his children to celebrate birthdays and holidays! (The 3 bodyguards are on record saying that MJ celebrated birthdays and holidays with his kids.)

    If you’re that passionate about this issue, why not start your own blog, and write your own post about MJ and the JW’s? You’re the ONLY PERSON who is offended by what I wrote! I’ve asked people to read this post and your comments, and they ALL agree with me! (And they’re gonna comment soon!)


  32. March 29, 2012 3:44 am

    David, thank you. This article was EXCELLENT! Everyone around the globe needs to read this! What you have stated is fact, and truth.

    I have spoken to many people who knew Michael intimately as friends. What you share is very accurate and coincides with everything that has been shared with me.

    Michael did leave the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but, he never left God and more importantly, God never left Michael.

    Michael remained a Christian and a spiritual man of faith. He struggled just like all of us do. I think many times it is us, as humans, who feel a need to call ourselves by a certain name or sect. God sees the heart and He reaches into our hearts and convicts us. Michael definitely, definitely bore fruits of the spirit. He was an example of every single fruit of the spirit listed in Scripture!

    It amazes me that so many who call themselves Christian see themselves fit to judge and feel that they can say with such certainty that they feel Michael was not saved. They twist Scripture to make it say what they want, mainly because they want to feel smug in their own person, that they have it right while others, like Michael Jackson, couldn’t possibly be saved.

    I did an article a while back on how many in the church can’t accept that Michael as a Christian…it’s as if, if Michael Jackson could make it in to Heaven, they are just appalled. It’s horrifying the thought process out there. But this is because the media lies were believed and not because they know anything about the real Michael Jackson, the one that the media did not allow any of us to see. That’s why Reflections on the Dance and Vindicate MJ and other sites are out there. To show truth.

    I am the creator of the Reflections on the Dance website and I can say with absolute certainty, that I believe with my entire heart & being, that Michael was indeed saved and is with God now. I felt it. ROTD would NOT exist had Michael not been with God because God only deals in Truth and God definitely called me to do this. I can say that with 1000% certainty. Creating ROTD was a very spiritual experience for me and I felt God’s presence throughout. I have been a Christian my entire life, but I will tell you all that I never in my life felt God’s presence like that and never before had I ever felt so certain that I was being called by God to do this website…to show the truth about Michael, one of God’s own children.

    Thank you again David for doing this wonderful piece. I have shared it on the ROTD FB page as well.



  33. TatumMarie permalink
    March 29, 2012 4:02 am

    My suggestion to you would be to read my previous post and the long rebuttal emails that I have sent you since you apparently still do not understand. Advocating the organization that Michael was involved in is part of vindicating him as well, whether he dissociated himself or not it’s what Michael was taught that is being attacked in these religious blogs. I’m the only one offended? Have you heard any comments or response from others who are witnesses or have studied with them? So you really wouldn’t know would you?

    Did you also know that there exist witnesses (inactive) who attend Birthday and other holiday celebrations? No they are not supposed to, of course because of the origin, but they do. I also have issues with attending holiday parties once and a while- that doesn’t mean I believe its right to celebrate them. But I am not a baptized witness either so I am not obligated. That’s the difference between being associated and not associated- you are no longer obligated.

    News flash: He visited that church because he was with Tom Mesereau and there were charity works involved. Also, because you don’t know about Jehovah’s witnesses you should know that when a dissociated person dies only if they had ties in the kingdom hall (continuous presence) and were trying to make their way back (expressed to the elders) would a congregation elder conduct a service for them. Michael had a small service held by the congregation elders before the public memorial so you have no clue what he was trying to do in the last moments of his life. Unfortunately your argument is still flawed.


  34. March 29, 2012 4:02 am

    I agree, that your definition of leaving bad thoughts is exactly what I meant by solemn attack. You spoke on something really powerful about taking the bible literally which I agree with to a degree. However, this only applies to things that are symbolic for instance Jesus words “if your eye is making you stumble take it out”. This doesn’t mean that if something inappropriate comes on the television tear your eyes out to not view it but change the channel or if it is uncontrollable get rid of the television. But it is vital to take the bible literally when there is a direct command. Especially about wars- the countries we are fighting against are God’s creation too and many innocent people die in wars. Not to mention the war we are in now has no meaning or purpose.


  35. Linda permalink
    March 29, 2012 9:01 am

    God sees the heart and He reaches into our hearts and convicts us. Michael definitely, definitely bore fruits of the spirit. He was an example of every single fruit of the spirit listed in Scripture!

    I agree totally. I’ve said it before, Michael had more fruit than anyone I’ve ever known. He was always asking God, “where do you want me to go now, or what do you want me to do next”. How many of us do that? Obviously, he was always seeking God’s will for his life, and I believe God always told him where to go next, and he listened. He always gave God the glory for everything in his life.

    The scripture I’ve stood on so many times in my life is ” all things work together for good to those who love God and are called unto his purpose.” All things might not look good, like his vitiligo, but that disease actually helped to vindicate him in the end, so in a sense even that was a blessing. The most famous man on the planet had every reason to be arrogant and proud, but he stayed so humble and kind. He loved and forgave his enemies, which were many all around him, but he never lost his trust and faith in God.


  36. March 29, 2012 12:00 pm

    “…taking the bible literally which I agree with to a degree. However, this only applies to things that are symbolic for instance Jesus words “if your eye is making you stumble take it out”.”

    Tatum, the word “literally” is of course wrong here – a much better word would be living by the Scripture and not only paying lip service to it. And of course there is a lot of symbolism in Christ’s words – even his disciples often misunderstood them and asked him to explain what he meant.

    A great many of Christ’s commands are violated on a routine basis. For instance the words you quoted “if your eye is making you stumble take it out” directly apply to the Discovery Channel program which planned to show an exact replica of MJ’s dead body and the process of his autopsy. Since they promised to follow each step of the autopsy report this evidently included sawing his skull, taking away various organs and probably even having a close-up look at his uncircumcised genitalia.

    Those who wanted to watch this feast of bad taste and ruthlessness towards Michael’s grieving kids and mother should know that Christ’s words apply directly to this situation – even if someone offers you a savage scene like that avert your eyes from it, don’t support and save others from being contaminated by its dirt.

    “Turn the other cheek when someone slaps you on the right one” should not be taken literally either, though sometimes it may help even in the literal meaning of the word. It is not answering a brutal attack against you by the same brutality. Because if you do you only become one of them and resort to a means which is not essentially yours. You can resist the attack by the power of spirit instead. Raise your head up and look straight in the eye of your offender and the hand of the offender will hesitate to rise against you – besides solving the problem you will make the person reveal the best in himself too. If a woman insults you don’t insult back, but stay calm and unperturbed. Smile back and say that ugly words like that are simply not becoming to a beautiful woman like her. Keep peace inside you and a quiet but sensible word will calm the storm you were facing.

    The above are just examples showing that instead of looking into the deep meaning of Christ’s words people generally prefer to interpret them primitively or even shrug them off as “unreal to follow”. The usual pretexts are that we are mere mortals and aren’t saints, are weak and prone to sin and “the world lies in sin” anyway. Some just accept Jesus and think that the act of accepting him is everything which is expected of them. But this contradicts the very message of Christ – live your faith and do not follow Pharisees who say one thing and do another.

    Michael was living his faith and was therefore having a totally different, much cleaner reality of his own. This was why it was so difficult for the rest to understand what he kept saying to them – their own reality is too far from the realm Michael was living in.

    “But it is vital to take the bible literally when there is a direct command. Especially about wars- the countries we are fighting against are God’s creation too and many innocent people die in wars.”

    This command has been violated since time immemorial and by all churches too – again under the pretext of it being unrealistic. But even in a war people can still remain human beings or turn into complete savages instead. And killing in the name of converting someone into some “true creed” as it was done in the world history on numerous occasions is the epitome of hypocrisy.

    But I used war as an example only. It is one of the vivid examples how Scripture is being violated by Christians and this is what Jehovah Witnesses definitely do not do. This is why governments the world over (not only in the US) persecute Jehovah Witnesses, label them a “cult”, and either relentlessly mock at them or declare them dangerous. And they are indeed dangerous to them because their beliefs contradict the governments’ essential interests. As far as I understand Jehovah Witnesses try to keep quiet about it not to draw too much fire against them, but their ideals are clearly demonstrated in Michael Jackson’s songs and videos – Heal the world, Earth Song and many others.

    * * *

    As a way to show the huge difference between living Christ’s words and paying only lip service to them here is an excerpt from Matthew 5:39. It explains Michael’s ways much better than anything else – his generosity, his boundless desire to help others and even his indisposition to sue people unless facing totally impossible situations:

    39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
    40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
    41 “Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
    42 “Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

    If we put Michael’s name inside each of these lines it will be the best explanation of his actions because he was living every word of it. But how can you explain this type of behavior to those who call themselves Christians but in their own life do exactly the opposite?


  37. kaarin22 permalink
    March 29, 2012 3:22 pm

    Easter is just round the corner.The Eastern Othodox Church is often at a different time as they count it from an earlier calender.May we all celebrate or rever this time so significant to christians.I was told by a JW that they rever Christ´s death (rather in contrast to chrisianity in the west, in the orthodox eastern church Easter is also a larger event than X-mas). He died for our sins, only Christ was without sin. Good times to all ,and to every one in their way.


  38. kaarin22 permalink
    March 29, 2012 3:35 pm

    This time is also significant in the Jewish religion. I don´t know enough about the Muslim religion to make any comment, but it would not surprise me if it has significance to them too.
    Finally there can be only one creator and we look at him from different perspectives.
    The bible was written down by people, translated and interpreted. Instead of fighting we should look for the messages of love and caring for his creation,for all humanity and for this our lonely planet.
    Is this not the tome for the pilgrimage to Mecca?


  39. TatumMarie permalink
    March 29, 2012 5:37 pm

    I love you and I agree with what you’re saying. Still, do you see how you interpreted that beautifully and that aspect is what I really missed in this article. Our whole obligation on this blog is to tell the truth no matter what it is about.

    Your post actually calmed me down…but I will still be waiting for an apology from


  40. March 29, 2012 6:43 pm

    Kaarin, since you spoke of Easter and different dates when it is celebrated here is some information I’ve found. It turns out that Christ’s disciples did not record the date of Christ’s resurrection and all everyone remembers now is that it was after the Jewish Passover. That is why it is calculated by different churches in a different way. In Russian Orthodox Tradition it is the most festive day of all as it means resurrection after death. However it is rather funny to see how the calculation of the day itself made:

    Have you ever wondered why Easter Sunday can fall anywhere between March 22 and April 25? And why do Eastern Orthodox churches celebrate Easter on a different day than Western churches? These are all good questions with answers that require a bit of explanation. In fact, there are as many misunderstandings about the calculation of Easter dates, as there are reasons for the confusion. What follows is an attempt to clear up at least some of the confusion.

    The Short Answer

    At the heart of the matter lies a very simple explanation. The early church fathers wished to keep the observance of Easter in correlation to the Jewish Passover. Because the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ happened after the Passover, they wanted Easter to always be celebrated subsequent to the Passover. And, since the Jewish holiday calendar is based on solar and lunar cycles, each feast day is movable, with dates shifting from year to year. Now, from here the explanation grows more complicated.

    The Long Answer

    Today in Western Christianity, Easter is always celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the Paschal Full Moon date of the year. I had previously, and somewhat erroneously stated, “Easter is always celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the first full moon after the vernal (spring) equinox.” This statement was true prior to 325 A.D.; however, over the course of history (beginning in 325 A.D. with the Council of Nicea), the Western Church decided to established a more standardized system for determining the date of Easter.

    In actuality, the date of the Paschal Full Moon is determined from historical tables, and has no correspondence to lunar events.

    As astronomers were able to approximate the dates of all the full moons in future years, the Western Christian Church used these calculations to establish a table of Ecclesiastical Full Moon dates. These dates would determine the Holy Days on the Ecclesiastical calendar.

    Though modified slightly from its original form, by 1583 A.D. the table for determining the Ecclesiastical Full Moon dates was permanently established and has been used ever since to determine the date of Easter. Thus, according to the Ecclesiastical tables, the Paschal Full Moon is the first Ecclesiastical Full Moon date after March 20 (which happened to be the vernal equinox date in 325 A.D.). So, in Western Christianity, Easter is always celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the Paschal Full Moon.

    The Paschal Full Moon can vary as much as two days from the date of the actual full moon, with dates ranging from March 21 to April 18. As a result, Easter dates can range from March 22 through April 25 in Western Christianity.

    Eastern vs. Western Easter Dates

    Historically, Western churches used the Gregorian Calendar to calculate the date of Easter and Eastern Orthodox churches used the Julian Calendar. This was partly why the dates were seldom the same.

    Easter and its related holidays do not fall on a fixed date in either the Gregorian or Julian calendars, making them movable holidays. The dates, instead, are based on a lunar calendar very similar to the Hebrew Calendar.

    While some Eastern Orthodox Churches not only maintain the date of Easter based on the Julian Calendar which was in use during the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., they also use the actual, astronomical full moon and the actual vernal equinox as observed along the meridian of Jerusalem. This complicates the matter, due to the inaccuracy of the Julian calendar, and the 13 days that have accrued since A.D. 325. This means, in order to stay in line with the originally established (325 A.D.) vernal equinox, Orthodox Easter cannot be celebrated before April 3 (present day Gregorian calendar), which was March 21 in A.D. 325.

    Additionally, in keeping with the rule established by the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea, the Eastern Orthodox Church adhered to the tradition that Easter must always fall after the Jewish Passover, since the resurrection of Christ happened after the celebration of Passover. Eventually the Orthodox Church came up with an alternative to calculating Easter based on the Gregorian calendar and Passover, and developed a 19-year cycle, as opposed to the Western Church 84-year cycle.

    Since the days of early church history, determining the precise date of Easter has been a matter for continued argument. For one, the followers of Christ neglected to record the exact date of Jesus’ resurrection. From then on the matter grew increasingly complex.


  41. sanemjfan permalink
    March 30, 2012 12:55 am

    @Tatum Marie
    I thought you weren’t going to email me anymore, since you said you wanted to talk in public, so I was surprised when you replied. Here is what you wrote to me (for everyone else can see):

    You demonized them by pointing your readers to sites that demonize. Anytime one side is represented like haters do with Michael you cannot claim it’s unbiased. Of course, you don’t want to learn about witnesses but your topic scope would call for some knowledge in that area. What you fail to realize is that you still would have to bring out that Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian to successfully win your argument. If witnesses have a certain set of beliefs, which they do- that wouldn’t have changed whether Michael was dissociated or not. These church rioters are upset about witness beliefs- that’s what they attacked.

    Your article had an unpleasant portion and your responses are even more offensive. Sign. I’m so over you as an author. Anytime you want to expound on anything religiously related to Michael let one of the more professional authors write it.

    Tatum, I did not demonize anybody, and neither did Wiki. That blogger did. And to be honest, her views are consistent with what most people feel about not only JW’s, but Mormons (look at the way Mitt Romney is treated as he currently runs for president), Seventh Day Adventists (who attend church on Saturdays), Catholics (look at the way JFK was treated when he ran for president.), and some other denominations. This is not the place for me to declare who is or isn’t a “true” Christian. If I had stated that JW’s are, in fact, true Christians, then I’d get an AVALANCHE of comments from people who would argue that they are NOT Christians, but are a cult of “false witnesses”! I’m either damned if I do, or damned if I don’t.

    Wanna see how despised those denominations are? Look at the video in this article of a voter who REFUSES TO SHAKE MITT ROMNEY’S HAND BECAUSE HE’S A MORMON! How prejudiced can one be? And I’m not gonna even post any of the anti-JW articles or videos here, as you’d sure accuse me of being “negative” against them.

    The purpose of this series was to debunk the lies said about MJ from some segments of the religious community, and I have achieved that. You are the ONLY PERSON to be offended by anything that I did write (or in this case, didn’t write), so obviously I did something right. I will never advocate or oppose any religious or political views on this blog.

    And as I said before, it’s funny how you didn’t have a problem with me referring to the Islam Wiki page to prove that MJ didn’t convert to Islam in Part 3 of this series, and you didn’t complain about me not endorsing or opposing the right wing political statements of Matt Drudge and Andrew Breitbart! It’s also funny how you’re upset at me for referencing Wiki, but had no problem with Helena referencing Encyclopedia Britannica in a previous comment!

    Since you think I’m such an “unprofessinal” writer, and you’re “over” me, then please feel free to not read or comment on my posts any more. As a matter of fact, since you’re such a great researcher and writer, why don’t you start your own blog and write about MJ and his relationship with the JW’s? And then after that, why not write a 25 page rebuttal to Maureen Orth’s Vanity Fair articles? And then write a summary of everyone’s testimony from the 2005 trial? I had planned on doing that, but since I’m so unprofessional, why should I waste my time?

    Here, I’ll even give you the link to WordPress to make things easier for you. Knock yourself out.


  42. TatumMarie permalink
    March 30, 2012 5:29 am

    Once again you’ve managed to re-hatch something that had cooled down. What is it that you don’t understand about laid back or solemn attacks? When you leave your readers with a negative opinion (similar to the so-called unbiased reporters that speak about Michael) it’s a form of attacking or demonizing. Why don’t you learn something from vindicatemj and be a true advocate for Michael. I’m not even going to go through and read your whole response so your copy- paste -typing was really a waste of time along with a quarter of your article.


  43. nannorris permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:09 am

    Another really great article ..thank you for all your hard work..What Michael went through on this Earth ,is unbelievable..
    He must have felt he had a calling, a higher purpose almost like a prophet to still try and spread his message of love and brotherhood , and taking care of the planet after all the abuse he had suffered at the hands of others.
    Even after EVERYTHING he went through…. , all the pain and humiliation of 2005, his reputation in tatters through no fault of his own , he tried not to hate back… Although…. I think I heard they had found a mirror at Carrolwood with “no violence ever” written on it..
    maybe he had to remind himself of it.,.

    I dont think it matters what passport/religion he was carrying when he died…he had God in his heart since he was a little boy…
    As far as Latoya..I dont know ..I think there was a certain thrill to breaking out of the confines of the Jackson household as I recall in her book.
    By the way , she knew jack gordon when she wrote that book and it was extremely complimentary to MJ, so I guess the epiphany that MJ might be a criminal came at a later date., after their marriage…
    .I remember at the end of the book and she married this man, something about one of the brothers calling her and congratulating her in a curt manner and asking her to sign off on the deed to havenhurst , which I dont think she quite understood at the time .Of course she had married in a hurried state and didnt have a prenup so that would give her husband a stake in the family home..
    So whatever was going on…she wasnt being too bright ..
    That she ended up turning on her brother who she had been so close to is so bizarre but the fact that he forgave her …it brings tears to my eyes that he was capable of that .



  44. March 30, 2012 8:01 am

    @sanemjfan–I really appreciate all your work on behalf of Michael’s memory and reputation. Please keep it up. This is a great, trustworthy site that is absolutely essential. Along with the other administrators, you’re doing an indispensable job for all of Michael’s fans and friends. We stand behind you.


  45. March 30, 2012 11:44 am

    “Once again you’ve managed to re-hatch something that had cooled down. When you leave your readers with a negative opinion (similar to the so-called unbiased reporters that speak about Michael) it’s a form of attacking or demonizing “

    Tatum, please do not be cross with sanemjfan – I understand what you are talking of, but sanemjfan makes it clear that he is not going to comment on any of the religions. It is indeed a subject which can divide any closedly-knit community. Sanemjfan says and we should respect his position:

    This is not the place for me to declare who is or isn’t a “true” Christian. If I had stated that JW’s are, in fact, true Christians, then I’d get an AVALANCHE of comments from people who would argue that they are NOT Christians, but are a cult of “false witnesses”! I’m either damned if I do, or damned if I don’t.

    However I understand you too, so not to insult your or anyone’s feelings I will add to the text of that “Biblical Christian” blogger a sort of a disclaimer that this team does not support her views (which are indeed ignorant, nasty and false in every way).

    “Why don’t you learn something from vindicatemj”

    In terms of our attitude towards religion you cannot compare sanemjfan and me. I express my views here openly because I am long past the stage when I was afraid to express them. By now my views are probably no secret to anyone – yes, I have transgressed the boundaries of the official church and have stepped on the road to a personal relationship with God. For some reason my belief in God has only become stronger since then and my responsibilities to Him have increased immeasurably because now I am answerable for everything I do and say to Him directly and not to intermediaries between us.

    But these are radical views and you cannot expect (and probably even want) sanemjfan to have the same views. Please don’t push him in the direction he is not yet ready to go. Let me only handle all the avalanche that will probably follow.


  46. March 30, 2012 2:48 pm

    VMJ,you are an astronomer as well as a theologician explaining the difference in east and west re time of Easter!.I only know because my son was baptized in that branch of chrisianity.While living in NYC my fiends,jewish most of them,invited me to all their family and friend dinners they arranged that time.-So much in Michaels life and art bear a connection to christianity.I remember reading that as a child he, his mother and one or both of the younger sisters used to attend s.c. Hall-meetings and that Michael appriciated them as there he was treated like anybody else.
    It is sad that he was not allowed to discuss spiritual matters with his mother after he disassociated.I think talking and discussing between the diffent “branches ” of christianity as well as among the different religions of the world would bring more understanding. Did not Jesus Christ speak and talk and dicuss already at the age of 12 y.?
    I learned about a very disturbing fact in Newsweek,Feb.13 2012. re the rise of christophobia. Across the muslim world, christians are being murdered for their faith. I know that many muslims do not share this phobia.


  47. kaarin22 permalink
    March 30, 2012 3:24 pm

    In my country many chinese immigrants have converted to christianity,They show a true joy when attending church and it is also of great help in assimilating the culture here, and no pressure to give up their own traditions.


  48. Tania permalink
    March 30, 2012 4:38 pm

    Hi to the entire VMJ team. I am a long-time reader of this blog but a first time commenter.
    I just wanted to say thankyou to sanemjfan in particular for this very eye-opening series he has obviously put much time and research into.

    I am a person of faith and was raised in a Christian household. To say I have been disappointed by the words and actions of other people of faith, as highlighted in this series, would be an understatement. Thankyou for balancing it with people who did/do display faith teachings and practices towards their fellow man.

    In the Book of Mark, chapter 12 and starting at verse 28, it is asked of Jesus Christ of what is the most important commandment. His reply is this:
    “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (NIV)

    What is the common action word in these two statements by Jesus?


    I see this behaviour and character all throughout the life of Michael Jackson. In his music, his dance, his poetry, his philanthropy, his interactions with family, friends, collaborators, and strangers. He had an enormous capacity to love and he demonstrated and imparted that love wherever he went and with whomever he met. It literally poured out of him like an ocean. And he gave God all the credit for his gifts and talents, using them to try and unite and change a world that desperately needs love. Love was truly the very essence and being of this man.

    And to me, Love is the only religion.

    Thankyou to all of the VMJ team for the great work you do here. Its value and worth is immeasurable. Keep it up. Peace and Blessings……


  49. March 30, 2012 10:42 pm

    What I see running through a lot of these comments from many so-called Christians is not so much a slam against MJ the man and believer, as religious bigotry and intolerance on their own part. Example: He was a JW; therefore he is doomed to eternal damnation. OR: It doesn’t matter if he prayed every day and said Grace before every meal, he never PUBLICLY received Christ; he didn’t repent and accept Jesus; he didn’t do this or didn’t say that. He was interested in the Muslim religion; therefore, he could not know God, etc, etc. In other words, what they’re really saying is: There is ONLY one path to Christ and to salvation, and that one way is the way I believe. Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the way I do, and who doesn’t pray exactly the way I pray, is not a Christian and damned to Hell.

    These narrow-minded types of “Christians” tend to have a lot of prejudice and bigotry towards celebrities and people who, in their estimation, are too successful and too idolized in THIS world, and for them, Michael Jackson fits every preconceived notion they have of individuals who are too powerful; too rich; too idolized by many. Every time a well loved celebrity/icon dies, and the world responds accordingly, these are the people you will see out in droves, protesting the attention given to this person. I remember a lot of the same reactions when Elvis died. The world was in shock; people mourned. But we had plenty of preachers on TV to remind us that Elvis was not the “real” King and how “it’s harder for a rich man to get into Heaven than for a camel to go through a needle’s eye.” Of course, you had all of the little blue-haired, old ladies saying “what a good Christian boy” Elvis was (I know because my grandmother was one of them!) and then, on the other hand, all of the Christians who were warning us that Elvis was too powerful and too idolized-God took him to “teach us a lesson” about idolatry and material wealth; Elvis was NOT good, they preached-yes, he may have sang gospel songs; yes, he loved his mama. But he also did drugs, sang the devil’s music, and had sex with young girls.

    What everyone seemed to forget was that, somewhere in between all of that, was a human being-a human being neither “perfect and good” nor “bad” but flawed like everyone else.

    I see a lot of parallels with the way the religious community has reacted to the death of Michael and the similar outpouring of world grief. In Michael’s case, it’s even worse because the allegations, for many Christian leaders, gives them yet another excuse to criticize those who mourn him and to call his belief and salvation into question.

    These are the same zealots who will tell you it doesn’t matter how many great humanitarian deeds he did; how many millions he gave to charity; how kind his heart was or how much he thanked God for his inspiration-he didn’t abide by this or that creed; didn’t pray exactly this way; he didn’t get on both knees at exactly 6am; he addressed “Jehovah” rather than “God” or “Jesus”; therefore, he was not a Christian.

    Yet the doctrine I have been raised in says all you have to do is accept Jesus in your heart as your lord and savior. That is a a very a very personal thing, so how could it be for anyone else to decide?


  50. March 30, 2012 11:08 pm

    Forgive so many comments. Sometimes it’s hard for me to adequately gather all my thoughts in one comment. I will always go back, thinking of what I should have said or how I could have said it better.

    What I wanted to clarify is that sometimes I think it becomes an ego thing for these people when they feel like they can effectively shout down Michael’s salvation or Christian standing. I think some of these people feel a lot of jealousy toward Michael for being too successful and too powerful, as well as having too much influence over people. So it gives THEM a sense of superiority when they can effectively shoot that down. I really believe that is what lies at the heart of it. This makes sense when you consider the especial vile with which many of them have gone after Michael, and the almost deranged sense of pleasure some of them seem to take in proclaiming his damnation.


  51. sanemjfan permalink
    March 30, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ Raven
    No need to apologize! We enjoy all of your well written, substantive comments that truly add to the conversation, and EVERYTHING you said was 100% correct! You effectively summed up my entire series in a few paragraphs! 🙂


  52. Truth Prevail permalink
    March 31, 2012 3:29 am

    Heres another few videos of Farrakhan supporting Michael Jackson.


  53. TatumMarie permalink
    March 31, 2012 4:41 am

    Blahblahblahblah. Expect praise from those who are naive.


  54. sanemjfan permalink
    March 31, 2012 9:01 am

    @Tatum Marie
    It’s bad enough that you have insulted me by calling me “insanemjfan”, questioned my research skills by calling me “unprofessional” and saying that you’re “over me” as an author, and ignoring Helena’s request for you to not be cross (disrespectful) with me, but now you’re insulting other readers who appreciate my work by calling them “naive”?

    Please do us all a favor and DO NOT POST ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG! I have already requested that Helena, the editor of this blog, permanently block you. You’re actions over the last few days are immature and inappropriate, and if you feel THAT strongly about the JW’s, then by all means start your own blog and write all about them. I will NOT under any circumstances support or oppose any religious or political views on this blog, and I have been consistent with that from the very beginning. You’re the only one who had a problem with anything that I wrote, and you’ve now taken your frustrations to the next level by insulting not only me, but other readers.

    The ironic thing about this is that, prior to this post, you were always a longtime reader of the blog, and have posted numerous comments in support of my work, so I guess you’re just as naive as everyone else, huh?

    Like I said, please do not comment on this blog any more. Go and start your own blog.


  55. Linda permalink
    March 31, 2012 9:34 am


    End result!!! God is the only one qualified to judge Michael and each one of us for every thing we do or say. Before you judge, speak or act, first ask yourself what would Jesus do or say? We all need to be very careful with our words.

    All we can do is give out the facts, and “sanemjfan” you did exactly that, as always. You’re doing a great job along with all the other admins on this site, so turn the other cheek, lol. Yea, I know it smarts a little, but in the end it all works out, because in the end God vindicates . When you’re right, you don’t have to vindicate yourself, God will do it for you.

    I’ve been through this. I had deacons and elders coming against me. It was hard to keep my mouth shut, and not tell my side of the story, but every time I wanted to speak out on my behalf and tell my side I got a scripture in my head. I can’t remember where it is, but i understood that I was to keep quiet and God would vindicate me.

    It seemed to take forever, and trying not to hang my head every time I walked into my church, because gossip was rampart, God did vindicate me just as I was ready to leave my church that I loved. Truth came out without my help. I didn’t have to say anything in my defense. God has a way of bringing out the truth.

    You’re doing a great job. Don’t get distracted, let’s just move on.


  56. nannorris permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:27 pm

    sanemjfan…I love to read this blog so please dont stop doing your research.I totally believe this blog is making a huge difference in the way MJ will be remembered..
    I always look forward to new articles put up here., by all the people running this blog..
    I was concerned when I saw that the Gavin site that had transcripts up was taken down….
    I am always worried someone will try and mess with this site because it is putting the truth out there.

    I didnt even notice someone referred to you as insanemjfan..That is just lame..:(


  57. Tahlia permalink
    April 1, 2012 3:13 am


    I was concerned when I saw that the Gavin site that had transcripts up was taken down….

    I didn’t even realise it had been taken down until I read your comment. Do you know why it was taken down? Many months ago I went to that site and copied and pasted all the transcripts from there into Word documents. I’m glad I did!


  58. sanemjfan permalink
    April 1, 2012 4:20 am

    @Tatum Marie
    I have deleted your last comment, and I will delete all future comments from you. Please do not post any more comments on this blog.


  59. sanemjfan permalink
    April 1, 2012 7:34 am

    @Tatum Marie
    Even if you decide to continue to read the articles of the other admins, please do not comment on them.
    I’m not going to debate this issue any more, because you’re asking me to do something that I have refused to do since part 1, and that is to advocate or oppose someone’s political or religious views. Whether it’s the JW’s, the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, liberalism, conservatism, Republicans, Democrats, homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, Islam, athiesm, WHATEVER, I am not going to take a pro- or anti- position on ANYTHING other than MJ. To this day, you’re the ONLY person who hasn’t figured it out yet.


  60. April 1, 2012 12:56 pm

    “@insanemjfan Blahblahblahblah. Expect praise from those who are naive”

    Tatum, please don’t.


  61. April 1, 2012 2:20 pm

    “Whether it’s the JW’s, the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, liberalism, conservatism, Republicans, Democrats, homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, Islam, athiesm, WHATEVER, I am not going to take a pro- or anti- position on ANYTHING other than MJ.”

    David, I understand your attitude and if you do not want to express your views you do not have to, however I don’t feel bound by the same political correctness and have never been shy to express my views. Both are probably our strongest points as they appeal to different audiences.

    I for one feel it is an absolute must to speak about Michael Jackson’s deep belief in God as this was his essential feature – and this makes commenting on his views absolutely indispensable too. In fact discussing Michael’s beliefs leaving them without comment is like starting the subject and dropping it immediately after that. I hope you will agree that once you raised the subject of fact-checking Michael’s Christian faith you are expected to prove it yourself that he was a true Christian and what it means to be one, or otherwise you shouldn’t have handled it at all.

    To show that Michael was a true Christian it is not enough to quote this or that preacher – Christian views in different denominations vary immensely and to be able to see where the truth is we need to have a clear understanding ourselves of what a true Christian is. Therefore we simply cannot do without expressing our own point of view – or have to leave the subject altogether until we are ready to talk about it.

    So when you first announced fact-checking Michael’s Christian faith but limited yourself to a neutral position only, the subject itself contradicted the non-committal stance you are keeping to, because it presupposes that everyone knows what true Christian faith is while in reality there is a huge difference of opinion here.

    All this makes me express my views on the subject too (not that they are the final truth – just another angle to the problem). It has become customary in this blog for me to follow in the direction I didn’t want to but this is the way it happens. I can only wish it had not been imposed on me so suddenly and so early. The subject is immense so the most I will be able to do is just touch upon it. I am currently working on it. Please don’t post anything else yet.


  62. nannorris permalink
    April 2, 2012 12:49 am


    I dont know what happened to the Gavin site..I dont know who was running it either..It is too bad because that is where I was reading the transcripts because they had them listed under peoples names..
    I wish I had thought to copy them .Oh well.
    I get concerned because some old videos regarding the trial that used to be up are no longer available.I feel like some of the people in media are purposely taking them down because it paints them in a bad light..

    There is a little thing on one of Larry Nimmers videos outside the Conrad Murray trial and he is talking to Jim Moret and Mr Moret said in passing that during MJ trial he tried to be fair..
    He wouldnt have needed to say that if he didnt know there were others who were not..


  63. sanemjfan permalink
    April 2, 2012 1:24 am

    You can download the transcripts here I also have all of the transcripts (including those not listed in that site) saved on my hard drive, and if you need any of them let me know.


  64. Deborah permalink
    April 2, 2012 1:37 am

    To Tatum Marie:

    You said:

    “@insanemjfan Blahblahblahblah. Expect praise from those who are naive”

    Notwithstanding the grave insult you have levelled at anybody and everybody who chooses to at least listen to what David — a hugely respected researcher — has taken the time to say; I will add this:

    You have brought a level of ignorance and unkindness to this post in your comments that is difficult to fathom. The problem is not that you disagree with David, but the way you have done so. Profoundly rude, irrational and base, you have literally no concept of who you are talking to.

    David’s contribution to this blog, and to the wider aim of unearthing and sharing exculpatory information about Michael Jackson, is incalculable. Further, he does this work not for money, fame or plaudits. The very least he is entitled to — especially from those who profess to know “so” much better — is a modicum of civilized respect.

    To show anything less, is embarrassing.


  65. nannorris permalink
    April 2, 2012 4:43 am


    Thank you for the link to the transcripts :))


  66. TatumMarie permalink
    April 2, 2012 5:12 am

    It was never about sharing the same views- it was always about respect. Nasty emails and responses from “yours truly” is really what made it worse.


  67. lynande51 permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:23 am

    It was never about sharing the same views- it was always about respect. Nasty emails and responses from “yours truly” is really what made it worse.

    Actually TatumMarie from the very beginning there was not respect from you. Here is what I saw when I read through your comments.
    You accused sanemjfan of a solemn attack against Jehova Witnesses. He emailed you, and yes we can all read the emails and have done so, and asked you to carry the conversation on in private. You refused and brought it back to the public comments on the blog. He replied to you on the blog. You called him a poor researcher because he did not provide enough information on the Jehova Witnesses to satisfy you. There were comments back and forth until you called him names not once but twice. You then called anyone else that might be interested in reading it and forming a different opinion naive if they were to read that post. I suggest that you read through it again without your agenda and see if it says the same thing.
    Your last comment is just an example of someone who must have the last word in everything and as I said your comments on this post never started from a place of respect. You were angry to begin with and it looks as if you still might be.You can disagree with what is written but when you resort to name calling for lack of a better argument what does that make you?


  68. TatumMarie permalink
    April 2, 2012 8:11 am

    So you must have completely skipped where the admin cursed and had a disrespectful tone as well? Disrespect covered in a bow will still launch an argument. This started from a form of a negative opinion but it was the unremorseful attitude and twisting of my words that fueled it. This issue was already resolved so let it stay resolved please.


  69. lynande51 permalink
    April 2, 2012 9:08 am

    TatumMarie I went back through all of the comments and emails just to be sure and I can say without a doubt that sanemjfan did not curse at you. Helena also has access to read them and has so I think that might have been misunderstanding again.
    Well now that the discussion is over we could start the discussion in the original direction that the post intended. That direction is the hypocritical use of Christianity to bear false witness on Michael Jackson. Did everyone else miss the Grant Storm story? He was the minister that was caught publicly masturbating while watching children in a schoolyard? That was just one small example of what was written in the post above. There are so many excellent points to discuss in the post.
    Grant Storm is just one example of ministers that talk in church but live lives in complete contradiction to what they are saying. This happens everday probably more here in the US than in other parts of the world so we are subjected to it more often and are more sensitive to it.We have a larger portion of the population that listen to this “preaching” and they make judgments based on that even if they don’t fully believe it they listen to it. It makes it exceptionally difficult to be a Michael Jackson fan in the US because, unfortunately. this was the birthplace of all the hate and it still thrives here.
    I know that it is hard to listen and know what happened to Michael happened here first. It gives fans from other countries a skewed perspective of America and what people don’t seem to understand is that we love our country just as much as Michael did. That was afterall why he was so hurt by what happened.


  70. Truth Prevail permalink
    April 3, 2012 1:34 am

    “Just where does sanemjfan find the time to keep making these posts?. Anybody would think he’s a jobless loser who still lives with his parents. LOL.”

    HAHA i find that funny not because i believe SaneMJFan is what you said but because you probably described yourself LOL


  71. Linda permalink
    April 6, 2012 9:03 am

    Wow, too much crap to even comment on. Seems like just hateful people trying to stir up strife to me. Sometimes you gotta turn the other cheek, sometimes you gotta stand your ground, but in the end if all you get back is senseless attacks, you get nothing but a waste of valuable time arguing. If someone refuses to converse intelligently they’re not worth my time, because I won’t be able to convince them of anything since they aren’t even listening. They’re concentrating too much on their next point of argument to hear what I’m saying.

    sanemjfan, I read once that it takes 3 positives to negate 1 negative. I believe that’s probably true and I sincerely hope you’ve gotten enough positives to negate the bs that has come against you. The fact that you donate so much of your time, along with the other admins on this site, without pay, is impressive. Most of the truths about Michael, I’ve learned from articles and links from this site. I hit this site daily and I value every article I read here. Thanks to all of you.


  72. sanemjfan permalink
    April 6, 2012 9:36 am

    Thank you! Yes, we all have to deal with crap sometimes when it comes to defending MJ, but it comes with the territory. We’re all used to it by now.

    BTW, Tatum and I have put our argument behind us and moved on, and I removed the link to Wiki and replaced it with a link to Helena’s post on the JW’s.


  73. April 7, 2012 11:17 pm

    “BTW, Tatum and I have put our argument behind us and moved on, and I removed the link to Wiki and replaced it with a link to Helena’s post on the JW’s.”

    Oh, David, great. Thank you!


  74. sanemjfan permalink
    April 8, 2012 6:48 am

    I added some excerpts from Katherine Jackson’s 1990 book “My Family, The Jacksons”, where she discusses her thoughts about MJ leaving the JW’s in 1987.


  75. Linda permalink
    April 17, 2012 9:38 am

    @sanemjfan PERMALINK
    April 6, 2012 9:36 am
    Thank you! Yes, we all have to deal with crap sometimes when it comes to defending MJ, but it comes with the territory. We’re all used to it by now. BTW, Tatum and I have put our argument behind us and moved on, and I removed the link to Wiki and replaced it with a link to Helena’s post on the JW’s.

    I’m glad you guys made peace, since we do all have the same goal. I guess we all have to have pretty tough skin if we’re going to persevere, right? We all have different views and different ways of getting our points across, but we all stand together for one purpose, and it’s working.


  76. sanemjfan permalink
    April 21, 2012 3:09 pm

    It recently came to my attention that another MJ blogger has taken exception to this post, and they wrote about it on their blog:

    So there’s something that really disturbs me about that “Vindicating MJ” blog. Take a look at their most recent post:

    I understand that they’re trying to defend him against the crazies who like to spout “Michael went to hell HE WASN’T BAPTISED” etc etc, but like….why are we giving it so much attention? Who the hell cares what religion he was or what he believed in etc etc? This is an area of the fandom that I can’t deal with, that makes me feel very uncomfortable because I am not religious in the slightest and I don’t understand why his faith matters so much to people.

    In that post, as usual they slander LaToya’s name and pretty much drag the whole family through the mud in order to “prove” that Michael wasn’t a JW any more and he apparently became Christian. Why is that even necessary? For a blog that touts itself as trying to “clear” Michael’s name, they sure do a lot of hating on his own flesh and blood.


    I understand people’s obsession with their religion, but I don’t understand people’s obsession with other people’s religion. I mean, I guess when it’s someone like Michael whom you care about, you want to believe they’re in Heaven and the only way you can do that is if you justify certain things with your religion… but yeah. I don’t know. I’m not religious either (though I am somewhat spiritual) so I guess I don’t really understand the impact religion has on one’s life or why people get so crazy about it, but to each his own.

    As far as Michael is concerned, I thought it was common knowledge that Michael stopped being a Jehovah’s Witness somewhere in the 80s. After that, I was always of the understanding that he just dabbled in other religions. Like, he was spiritual and believed in God, but he didn’t necessarily subscribe to another religion. He let his children celebrate Christian holidays, but he and Jermaine also spoke a lot about Islam. Elizabeth Taylor gave him a Kabbalah bracelet to wear during the trial. He had a Rabbi as a spiritual advisor. I don’t think religion was really important to him (though he respected all of them), just the spiritual aspect and the knowledge of them.

    Using the fact that Michael forgave La Toya for the terrible things she said about him in 1993 as “proof” that Michael “must have been Christian because Jesus teaches to forgive” isn’t really proof at all. Michael was forgiving by nature, and La Toya was family. AND she was apparently being held captive by her psycho husband and being used to turn the public against Michael (and threatening to kill her and Michael) and as far as I know, all of the Jackson’s pretty much knew that she was a puppet, so I think Michael knew she didn’t mean what she said.

    I mean, if someone needs to justify where he is now for themselves… whatever. But trying to justify it to others by trashing his family is a little ridiculous.

    I addressed this criticism on my twitter account a few days ago, and you can read it here on this Twitlonger:

    But I also want to address it here and add a few more things! First of all, if this person had taken the time to read the whole series, he would have known why I wrote it! I wasn’t going to let the lies that MJ channeled demon spirits to write songs, or engaged in witchcraft or the Occult, or worshipped Peter Pan, or communicated with the late Liberace through his room of mirrors, or worshipped himself as a celebrity god, go unchallenged! Those are just some of the lies that I blew away in this series!

    Second, he basically answers his own question! He asks “who the hell cares what religion MJ was?”, but in the very next sentence he says that he “is not religious in the slightest”, so that pretty much should answer his question! If he isn’t religious, that’s his business, but that doesn’t mean that I should let MJ’s faith be maligned by people who have an obvious agenda to diminish the love and admiration that MJ receives from the religious community! He describes himself as “somewhat spiritual”, and if that’s true then he should totally understand why I would defend MJ’s spirituality!

    America is a deeply religious country (arguably the most religious in the world), and to many people religion is the prism by which they view the world. To some people, if you don’t believe in their faith, or you do but have a different interpretation of it, they are very likely to be prejudiced against you, and MJ is no exception. Even though it’s easy to prove that MJ was innocent of the allegatioins, if people believe those aforementioned lies that I refuted, then they will be prejudiced against him, no matter how much money he gave to charity! That is why I took it upon my self to write this incredibly long and detailed series! I wanted to refute as many lies as I could in a reasonable number of posts! (If I refuted every single pastor who I heard trash MJ, this series could be 100 posts long!) Debbie Kunesh had the same mentality when she wrote her posts on her blog! (Which I linked to in part 6.)

    Third, he says that he “thought” it was common knowledge that MJ left the JW’s in the 80s. Any researcher or blogger worth is salt should know that we shouldn’t “think” or “assume” that something is well known! Obviously, it is NOT “common knowledge” that MJ left the JW’s, because after he died many religious blogs said he was stilla JW, and as a result people trashed him because they don’t believe in their doctrines!

    Fourth, I did not trash Latoya or the Jackson family in my post! I just gave an example – an incredible example at that! – of how MJ practiced the Christian virtue of forgiveness by literally forgiving what most people would consider unforgiveable! I did not use this as absolute proof of his faith! The quotes of MJ and others who were around him gives us a glimpse of MJ’s faith, as well as his actions!
    What’s truly disappointing is that this person chose to disrespect me and my work by publicly mocking me on his blog, instead of leaving a comment here or emailing me! He sarcastically put the “Vindicate MJ” in quotes, which implies that we’re not really vindicating him on our blog, yet they have us listed on their blog roll! How ironic and hypocritical is that!!!


  77. April 22, 2012 11:34 am

    David, I’ve read you message on and want to say one thing. Please don’t use the words “your blog” for vindicatemj – even I as the admin of this blog never say that it is mine! It has been my personal blog but it turned into a public one where several authors willing to do MJ vindication work are now working hard and selflessly for Michael (not for me!).

    So saying that it is “your blog” is misleading people and putting things in the wrong perspective. Please say that it is a public blog and you are one of its leading authors. And mind it that different authors can have different understanding of one and the same problem so your perception of things does not express the “official” position of the vindicatemj blog – simply because there is no such thing as its official position (unless my opinion as the admin is considered as such).

    However I think it impossible to impose my views on the authors writing here, so each author freely expresses his/her point of view while doing our common job of clearing Michael’s good name. And freedom naturally goes hand in hand with obligations for each of us to bear individual responsibility for what we say and do, so each author is expected to employ self-censorship and self-discipline. I as the admin have never censored anything and anyone here – the most I do is suggestion only.

    Please regard the above as a little bit of guidance on my part. The quotations from your twitter which I had in mind when writing the above are the following ones:

    “Over the last few months, people have not only dissed me as a person (for example, saying I have an ego because I gave a FAIR & OBJECTIVE review of Defending A King on Amazon),but people have been dissing my blog Vindicate MJ as well!!

    A few months ago, I during what I thought was a respectful disagreement with some deranged MJ lunatic fan, and this person said that my blog “wasn’t very relevant”! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? (I will post the photo in another tweet.)

    I’ve been “Mike-like” for too long, and now I’m gonna start acting “Pac-like”, and call out ANYONE “Hit ‘Em Up” style who disrespects me or my blog ever again! Me and my co-admins have put in too much work, and too much of our time, to have to tolerate this crap from anyone, especially other MJ bloggers who should have more respect for the work that we do!


  78. sanemjfan permalink
    April 22, 2012 3:45 pm

    When I said it was “my blog”, I in no way intended it to mean as if it is 100% my blog, and everything is posted by me. Whenever I mention the blog, I go out of my way to emphasize the fact that I am part of a team of admins who writes for the blog, and as I told you before, you and Lynette’s posts are oftentimes mistaken as my posts, due to some readers who don’t realize that the name of the author is written under the title of the post. I do not take credit for the work that others do on this blog. One of the reasons that I sometimes refer to this as “my blog” is because you, Lynette, and Olga have all chosen to stay anonymous! I’ve been asked numerous times about the identities of the other authors, and I always say “it’s confidential”. When I say it’s “my blog”, it prevents people from asking about the other authors who wish to remain anonymous. I simply say “I’m part of a team”, and leave it at that.

    Helena, let me ask you something: are you even bothered or upset in the least that the MJ blogger would say such ridiculous things about my post? You seem more upset about me referring to this as “my blog” than you are at that blogger for questoning why I would defend something that was nearest and dearest to MJ, and that is his faith!

    Do you (or anyone else for that matter) think that I wasted my time debunking the lies that MJ worshipped demon spirits, or channeled Liberace through his mirrors, or converted to Islam, or praised the devil in his song lyrics (such as “Blame It On The Boogie”)? Sometimes I feel that way from you because you haven’t offered any condemnation or criticism of what that person said about me and my work! Instead, you seemed pretty thrilled that he linked to this blog on his blogroll, while simultaneosly mocking us!

    I wrote that long Twitlonger venting my frustrations at those two so-called fans, and the only thing that stood out to you was that I referred to this as “my blog”?


  79. April 22, 2012 5:26 pm

    “One of the reasons that I sometimes refer to this as “my blog” is because you, Lynette, and Olga have all chosen to stay anonymous! I’ve been asked numerous times about the identities of the other authors, and I always say “it’s confidential”

    David, information about me is not confidential! My facebook account is linked to the blog (I seldom use it but it is there). My family name was there all the time until Topix people started writing in their forum as Elena Ovchinnikova (my maiden name) after which I changed it simply into Elena O. I even added a photo of me when I was much younger (which frankly, does not reflect today’s situation) but there is no special confidentiality meant except simple precaution against harassers who may come from my own country as you can guess!

    “Helena, let me ask you something: are you even bothered or upset in the least that the MJ blogger would say such ridiculous things about my post? You seem more upset about me referring to this as “my blog” than you are at that blogger for questoning why I would defend something that was nearest and dearest to MJ, and that is his faith!”

    You remember that I rushed to defend the authors of the blog when they were attacked by Topix or some imposters and slandered in the horrible way, but when people think that the blog or a post has some flaws I always listen. Listening does not mean that I will do as people demand me to, but this is the feedback all authors need. Some people were unhappy with my posts about religion too, as you yourself told me, but I never tried to dispute the matter with these people. They feel differently, so let it be. I will not attack them – all I will try to do in reply is correct some of the things in my posts and explain my ideas further. If I have not convinced them I always say to myself that it is me who is to blame (this is true!) meaning that I was not persuasive enough or the timing for writing the post was wrong, or it was too long and tiresome, whatever.

    If this is what I do about my posts why should I rush to “defend” yours? One of the reasons for the latest changes in the blog and all authors “going individual” (and not as a team) is the need for each separate author to listen to comments, explain his position, adjust if necessary and do all this for his own posts, not bearing responsibility for others. How can I expect you to “defend” my posts if you insisted in numerous emails to me that I should delete two of them because they do not belong here and readers did not like them? I don’t expect it in the least, and if need be I will “defend” them on my own. This approach seems to me much more honest than demanding that “everyone should think like me” as the admin or pretending that we adhere to one point of view while it is absolutely clear to everyone that we are not.

    We have a common goal and a common job to do, and if you write things which I would not I will close my eyes to that, because as long as you stand up for Michael nothing else matters. All I am asking of you is not to present your ideas as the ideas of “vindicatemj” (which is my username) and hence my request not to call it “your blog” – people will continue to think that your views are my views as well, while on some issues we have a totally different opinion!

    And please do not ask me to “defend” your posts – how can I? I don’t know the American audience and don’t even know what Americans understand by “religion” and by “spirituality”. I for example always speak about faith in God which for me is different from “religion” which in many cases is devoid of any faith at all. And spirituality is a total mystery to me. Instead of spirituality I use the word “conscience” and frankly, have started to divide people into those with conscience and those without it. This is my religion – simple as a piece of cake.

    P.S. David, I come from a scientific background and know that over there, in their scientific disputes they can adhere to totally different views but it does not affect their personal relations. And, of course, neither of them expect the other to defend his opponent’s point of view. Scientists do research and each of them is seeking for the correct answer to their problem in his own way. There might be an element of competition between different trends in research but everyone is still more than happy when the truth (for ex. a miraculous drug) is finally found.

    This is the spirit all Michael’s supporters should adhere to. The truth about Michael is all that matters. Truth in general is what will heal the world and seeking for the truth is what Michael called on us to do.

    Let us fight lies and work for the Truth, forgetting everything else.


  80. TatumMarie permalink
    April 22, 2012 8:33 pm

    Sign…..It’s not important what other bloggers say. There are people who are uncomfortable about the “girly magazines” but if that’s what Michael possessed so be it. The Christian articles in question pretty much closed the issue about Michael’s Christianity so the haters don’t have an argument. Showing that Michael dissociated himself does not defend him against the attackers because it’s his personal biblical beliefs that their attacking. Simply dissociating oneself does not change those teachings or views.

    No one judges these bloggers for not being religious so why should they judge? Would it have been so bad if Michael wrote a letter to get reinstated? Those teachings from child-hood are in his music and it’s engulfed in his lifestyle…for the most part. There’s no way around it…it was part of his message to us and if they have a problem with it don’t read it. In my opinion this blog is entitled: Vindicate MJ and that means in every aspect of his life including his faith.


  81. Linda permalink
    April 26, 2012 9:03 am

    I don’t know the American audience and don’t even know what Americans understand by “religion” and by “spirituality”.

    I’m American, born and raised, but America has become the home of pretty much every nationality in the world with many different religious backgrounds, so there is no certain way, anymore that Americans believe.

    Our coin still say’s “In God we trust”, so far. We have many religions, or faiths, but even within the born Americans they argue about true religion, so if you talk to an American on the net, who knows what nationality they are, and what religious background they have?

    I refuse to associate with any denomination, as I think Michael did also. I just believe the Bible. Many people in America, and I guess all over the world don’t believe in the Bible. Michael did and based his life on it.

    As far as conscience, my personal belief is, that is often God convicting, or guiding us in the right direction.

    Well, I love this blog, and I think every writer is doing a good job in their own way. Different backgrounds and beliefs, but all bringing good. We just have to “be angry, and sin not”, and not let the enemy divide us, because he will, only if we let him. We have to have tunnel vision. One goal is our mission. We’re all from different parts of the world and the way we word things can be misunderstood because of our different cultures, but I do believe that all the writers here are doing their best to vindicate Michael.


  82. April 26, 2012 7:23 pm

    Our coin still say’s “In God we trust”, so far. We have many religions, or faiths, but even within the born Americans they argue about true religion, so if you talk to an American on the net, who knows what nationality they are, and what religious background they have?

    Linda, of course I understand that there are different religions in the US (same as here) but I meant something different. After over 20 years experience with different Christian denominations I finally gathered that unfortunately the word “church” and “faith in God” do not always coincide. With some individual ministers they do, but absolutely not with all. That is why I don’t put an equal mark between the official religions and faith in God – not any more.

    Tom Sneddon is probably an avid church-goer and is considered by some people a true Christian for the mere observance of all formal requirements of the church. But this is not all what is expected of a believer. In fact formality is probably the last thing which is required. The main requirement is to do what our Father expects of us and to follow his laws and commandments. Did Tom Sneddon did anything like that? Absolutely not!


  83. April 26, 2012 8:24 pm

    I refuse to associate with any denomination, as I think Michael did also. I just believe the Bible. Many people in America, and I guess all over the world don’t believe in the Bible. Michael did and based his life on it.

    Linda, living by what the bible tells us is the very point of it. Incredible as it looked in 2009 (when I “discovered” Michael Jackson for myself) he turned out to be my soul brother or rather, teacher, as he had lived his whole life the way I was only trying to.

    Michael Jackson having a very pure faith in God was quite a revelation to me. Independent of the denomination he belonged to, his faith was the deepest and purest form I have ever seen in my contemporaries. This revelation was all the more staggering because I never expected to see this kind of faith in an “entertainer” who is supposed to be shallow and not to be much of a thinker or believer. This is when I realized the terrible mistake made and started speaking up for him. The main facts of Michael’s innocence were still to be found at that stage but the understanding of the huge injustice done was already there.

    Michael’s faith has nothing in common with the superficial observance of church rules and rituals (which must be Tom Sneddon’s and Diane Dimond’s type of “belief”). Michael feared God in the meaning that he fully submitted his personal will to the will of the Heavens and lived his life constantly looking up into the sky and seeking guidance from the above.

    This is why he sat on his tree for hours and this is why he loved nature so much – it was talking to him with a music of its own and his only job was to tune in to what the nature suggested to him. This is why he doted on children – they were the embodiment of God to him, a visual manifestation of His existence and therefore the power that could sustain him in life despite all trouble.

    I think that Michael saw his life mission in simple terms – he was to give people joy by his God-given talent and work hard to earn money in order to do good to others, especially to God’s best creation – children. Especially those sick and underprivileged who needed his help, support and equal opportunities. God gave him a chance to correct something in this life and he was simply doing his best. As a true believer he never questioned why such a mission was placed on his shoulders – he just felt that way and could not disobey.

    He recklessly plunged into some projects (like Bashir’s, for example) not because he was naïve, but because he knew that as long as his goal was a pure one and was therefore supported by God nothing bad would ever happen to him. This is the way a true believer thinks.

    And in the long run he was right – Bashir’s documentary led to a trial where he was fully acquitted on all counts though he was facing all the evil the world could ever summon up against him. Michael and his faith in God won, though the same evil did its best to misrepresent the clarity of the verdict of this historic trial. They cannot change the verdict but they can misinterpret it and this is exactly what they did then and do now.

    Why did Michael sometimes behave recklessly and say things he shouldn’t have said? Because when you feel that you are secondary to God you entrust your life into his hands as if he were your parent and just do what he expects of you not thinking of the consequences. Your main concern is not what others will think – all you are thinking of is to be honest before God and never offend him by any lie, falsity or dirt. As to what humans will say … well, and why should they be different? Probably they think in the same way and will understand? After all they read the same Bible and say they believe in everything it says? For example, in the words that everyone should be like children?

    What I want to say is that strange as it might seem, much of Michael’s behavior is explained by his living by the Bible and deep faith in God. Such a faith places on a person so strict limits that it does not allow him to do or even think of anything that would insult the Almighty. It is simply out of the question because He sees all and knows each of your thoughts and you cannot let Him down or fail to stand up to His standards.

    This is why I think that Michael’s deep faith in God is his best vindication too – he could never even imagine the things his haters so freely attribute to him. He could not speak about them, he could not even make himself pronounce those words and he never did…

    Those… other… guys are the exact opposite of people like Michael. They are totally devoid of God in their souls and do not feel any form of responsibility towards Him or anyone at all. They are their own masters. Their goal in life is seeking pleasures, and it is impossible for them even to imagine that they can voluntarily set for themselves any limits in pleasure-seeking and living their lives to the full. What for? They are free and can do as they please!

    Yes, they are free, because their Father has given them the freedom of choice, which goes even as far as pursuing every evil on earth. And it is only up to them which path they choose and take in life.

    As far as conscience, my personal belief is, that is often God convicting, or guiding us in the right direction.

    This is my personal belief too.


  84. April 26, 2012 8:49 pm

    “Well, I love this blog, and I think every writer is doing a good job in their own way. Different backgrounds and beliefs, but all bringing good. One goal is our mission. We’re all from different parts of the world and the way we word things can be misunderstood because of our different cultures, but I do believe that all the writers here are doing their best to vindicate Michael.”

    That is right. However this situation brought home to me that there are things about Michael which I should stand up for even if my co-editors tell me not to. Michael’s faith in God is one such thing and not speaking about it is like not speaking about the very essence of him as a human being. This is when I suddenly recalled that I was the admin of the blog and am therefore required to determine its shape and tonality, so to speak.

    David wanted to keep it as sterile as possible and free from any individual opinion which might offend certain readers – however I need to speak about Michael’s faith and regard limiting myself in this respect as betraying Michael in the first place, not to mention the fact that a ban on expressing my thoughts about certain things (like religion) means silencing me forever. All I am doing here is expressing my opinion and not being able to do so is like “end of the game” for me.

    So the survival instinct took over and David had to pay (joke) for his insistence that I should drop subjects like religion – now he and all my former co-admins have become individual authors, while I retained the right of the admin just to be able to have some space for myself too and sometimes say what others don’t approve of.

    This system may probably be even for the better – now each of us is not bound by any limits whatsoever, except our conscience of course, and will express his or her thoughts without any formal requirement to agree with each other which may sometimes become too burdensome. This kind of approach seems to me more honest and it can even make the blog more interesting to its readers.

    And I am not even saying that this is the ideal form of freedom too! Each keeps to his own individuality and all of us are doing one job.


  85. Linda permalink
    April 28, 2012 9:38 am


    Wow, you said so much for me to comment on, gotta rely on my memory here, and will probably miss a lot, but many people think by going to church makes them a Christian. Others know better, but they think it’s a good front. Sneddon probably did go to church, and maybe looked good to a lot of people, but he knew he was dishonest. He couldn’t have felt justified and right before God.
    First of all, if he was a true Christian, the Holy Spirit would have convicted him and he couldn’t have done what he did to Michael, so I guess that tells us about him, and Dimond and many others that talked and still are talking filth about MJ.

    Anyway you look at it, you really can’t talk about Michael without getting into religion, or Christianity. He was a Bible believer, and that showed through many of his songs and interviews. The same goes with the writers on this site. Their heart and beliefs are going to come out in their writings. Anyone can write an article about someone, but somewhere along the way, you will reveal yourself, your heart or beliefs.

    We might not all believe exactly the same way in every aspect, but the basics, “love thy neighbor” and “love thine enemies” say’s it all. That’s why it saddens me to hear so many fans say things like they hope Bashir or Sneddon burns in hell. That is so anti Michael, and anti the Christian faith that he lived by. You can’t love someone and hope they suffer in hell, while calling yourself a Christian, or even a true MJ fan.

    That’s one of the things about Michael that really got my respect. He didn’t retaliate. He didn’t return evil for evil. He had a platform and a great following, but he didn’t seek revenge. I really wish more fans would follow his example, and Christ’s example. I think, each and every one of you are writing great articles, and I appreciate all the different views and styles. You all make good, valid points.

    L.O.V.E. you all.


  86. Maria permalink
    April 28, 2012 1:51 pm

    Linda, I agree with you fully. Michael was not looking for revenge and retaliation. That’s what makes him a great man. His humility, yet great courage. He was an example. He was treated very cruelly by so many people. He never said nothing wrong about another person. He asked only to stop. Unfortunately, the media and others have not heard it. The persecution continued until his death. He suffered in silence, alone. They took his peace, sleep, tortured to death, and he went on to say about love, about helping children. It’s heroic. That is why Michael was so much touching. I think the fans should wish for ourselves and the world that the people who destroyed him understand what they did. It will be a victory, the real victory. To see the love. To open their eyes. Everyone can change.
    Of course, this applies also to the fans.


  87. nannorris permalink
    April 28, 2012 7:36 pm

    The thing with Sneddon too, is he was just so sure he was morally superior to MJ, what with him being a youth coach and his wife writing for Christian magazine and books on adolescent image etc..
    If I remember correctly his wife , was a teachers aid too..
    I think in some way he resented MJ approach to helping children..
    Giving them a day full of candy and fun isnt what Sneddon is about ..
    He is all about structure and of course, MJ was not…
    Zonen and Palanker also do community work with adolescence

    So they all pretty much consider themselves experts on teenagers imo..

    I also noticed that Sneddon and his wife were at a charity ball and they gave the amount of money that would put you at the 2nd tier in donations..
    MJ and his donations are just so big and so over the top , I think MJ presence in that town just made Sneddon feel diminished in that capacity as well.
    He is such a hateful , resentful person..
    hopefully these links will

    Click to access Amethyst%20Ball%202.29.8.pdf

    pamela shires sneddon ..christian parents association….

    Click to access chore%20chart%20insert.pdf


  88. April 28, 2012 10:29 pm

    “you really can’t talk about Michael without getting into religion, or Christianity. He was a Bible believer, and that showed through many of his songs and interviews”


    “it saddens me to hear so many fans say things like they hope Bashir or Sneddon burns in hell. That is so anti Michael, and anti the Christian faith that he lived by. You can’t love someone and hope they suffer in hell, while calling yourself a Christian, or even a true MJ fan. That’s one of the things about Michael that really got my respect. He didn’t retaliate. He didn’t return evil for evil. He had a platform and a great following, but he didn’t seek revenge. I really wish more fans would follow his example, and Christ’s example.”

    Oh Linda, you are so right about it! This may start me on another long reply, lol, but I will restrain myself. Life has taught me that there is much wisdom in this Jesus’s saying. Very much wisdom. One of the worst things that happens to those who are raging with fury for an enemy is that this fury consumes them in the first place. And they become no better than those people whom they actually hate. Everyone should use his weapon only and not his enemy’s. Acquiring their hate is like stepping on their territory where they are much more savvy than you are and suffer a defeat without even engaging in a fight.

    Let me say it again – each should fight with his own weapon. The good we are fighting with is too heavy a weapon for Michael’s haters, while the dirty tricks they resort to is not our weapon either. This is my firm belief.

    And this is the reason why I do not support so much hatred for this foolish girl Lisa Marie. All this anger won’t make her in any way better, but will only embitter her and make her feel a “victim”. She will feel sorry for herself even more and this will only contribute to her selfishness. Leave her alone and just show her that her perception of love is distorted and she will probably be able to understand something with time.


  89. April 28, 2012 10:37 pm

    “I think the fans should wish for ourselves and the world that the people who destroyed him understand what they did. It will be a victory, the real victory. To see the love. To open their eyes. Everyone can change.”

    Maria, these are the great words of wisdom.


  90. stacy2 permalink
    April 28, 2012 11:14 pm

    “That’s why it saddens me to hear so many fans say things like they hope Bashir or Sneddon burns in hell. ”

    After what they put him through, I’m sure Michael wouldn’t care if fans wished for them to burn in hell. He probably felt the same way. Didn’t he tell one of his employees that he hated Gavin for what he did to him?


  91. Pamela and pete permalink
    May 4, 2020 7:25 pm

    Amen and amen




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