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March 8th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Star Arvizo Cross-Examination, Part 2 of 3

June 4, 2012

In this excerpt, Mesereau catches Star in yet another lie! He questioned Star about statements he made yesterday during his direct examination about how allegedly saw Jackson on the trip back to Neverland from Miami with a soda can that had a red ring around it, and was filled with white wine. Star claimed he couldn’t remember saying it, so Mesereau offered to show him a transcript of his police interview (where he originally said it), and Star came up with arguably the most ridiculous excuse that I have ever heard! Star said that the court reporter (whose job it is to transcribe everyone’s testimony) misheard him! Unbelievable!

23 Q. By the way, do you remember yesterday when

24 you told the jury that on the plane you looked at a

25 soda can that Michael Jackson had and you saw a red

26 ring around it.

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. You told that to the police in one of your 1237

1 interviews also, didn’t you.

2 A. I think so.

3 Q. You also told the police that you looked in

4 the can and saw white wine, correct.

5 A. When.

6 Q. When you told them there was a red ring

7 around the can, you then told them you looked in the

8 can and saw white wine, remember.

9 A. I don’t remember saying that.

10 Q. Would it refresh your recollection if I show

11 you a transcript from a police interview.

12 A. Sure.

13 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor.

14 THE COURT: Yes.

15 MR. SNEDDON: Excuse me, what page.

16 THE WITNESS: The lady might have misheard

17 me.

18 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Excuse me, what did you

19 just say.

20 A. I never looked into the can.

21 Q. You said a lady might have misheard you.

22 A. The — I don’t know what her — what the —

23 Q. The court reporter.

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. Oh, you think the court reporter made a

26 mistake.

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. Because, as you’ve seen, it says you told 1238

1 the police there was a red ring around the can and

2 then you looked in and saw white wine, right.

3 That’s what it says, doesn’t it.

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. But what you’re telling the jury is you

6 think the court reporter made a mistake.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Do you have a lot of experience with court

9 reporters.

10 A. No.

In an ironic piece of testimony, Star confirms that he told police investigators that his mother had taught him to never lie because it is a sin. It’s obvious, based on what we’ve covered so far in Day 1 of his cross-examination, that Star didn’t always adhere to his mother’s advice!

27 Q. Okay. Now, in one of your police

28 interviews, you were asked if you knew the 1250

1 difference between right and wrong, remember.

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. And you said you learned the difference

4 between right and wrong from your mom, right.

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And that was the truth, right.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Okay. Your mom told you never to lie,

9 right.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Did she tell you that before the J.C. Penney

12 deposition.

13 A. She told us that our whole life.

14 Q. Whole life.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Okay. You actually told the police that you

17 think lying is a sin, right.

18 A. Yes, I think so.

19 Q. Do you remember if you did that.

20 A. Not really.

21 Q. Okay. Would it refresh your recollection if

22 I show you the transcript.

23 A. Sure.

24 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor.

25 THE COURT: Actually, he testified that, yes,

26 he told the police that.

27 MR. MESEREAU: Oh, I thought — I didn’t —

28 THE COURT: Then you went on to his memory. 1251

1 So, denied.


3 THE COURT: Move along.

4 MR. MESEREAU: All right.

5 Q. You know you’re not supposed to lie under

6 oath, right.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Okay. Has anyone discussed that with you

9 before.

10 A. My whole family.

11 Q. Okay.

12 A. The D.A.

13 Q. They have all told you, “Don’t ever lie

14 under oath,” right.

15 A. Yes. They just told me to tell the truth.

16 Q. Okay. Now, you talked about driving golf

17 carts at Neverland, right.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. And you and your brothers used to do that

20 during your visits to Neverland, right.

21 A. Yes.

22 THE COURT: Let’s take our break, Counsel.

23 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, Your Honor.

24 (Recess taken.)

Here’s a photo from his Facebook page where he lists God as one of his “influences”. Yeah, whatever!


While we’re on the subject of golf carts, let me remind everyone about what Star told to Detective Paul Zelis during his initial police interviews: on pages 12, 23, and 50 of the Statement of Probable Cause, Star claimed that Jackson grabbed his penis and testicles as they rode a golf cart together at Neverland! Here is an excerpt from page 50:

When asked, Star said Michael Jackson touched him inappropriately. The incident occurred when they were in a golf cart. Star was driving the golf cart and Michael was next to him. Michael then reached over and touched Star’s “testicles and penis” over his clothes with Michael’s left hand. He did not say anything to Michael and continued driving the golf cart.

Here are excerpts of Star’s grand jury testimony where he describes being abused by Jackson on the golf cart:

And to add insult to injury, Star claimed that when he saw Jackson’s penis when he streaked into the bedroom, he couldn’t accurately describe it because he only glanced at it momentarily (this explains why Sneddon did not execute another strip search on Jackson), but he estimated that it was only 5 to 7 inches long! This info is also from page 50:

When asked to describe Michael’s penis, Star said he did not remember details because he only glanced at it, but motioned with his hands that Michael’s penis was approximately five to seven inches long. Sgt. Robel asked what happened next. Star stated the incident happened quickly and they left the room.

To all of the female fans out there, does MJ look like he’s packing only 5 to 7 inches?!!!



Mesereau then questions Star about the timeline of when he first met with Larry Feldman and Stanley Katz, and when he last visited Neverland. Specifically, he asked Star if he was at Neverland in August 2003, and the reason for this question is because (as we will find out later on in this cross-examination) the “Barely Legal” porn magazine that Star claimed that Jackson showed him in March 2003 was actually the August 2003 issue, which was published almost five months after the Arvizos left Neverland for the last time!

1 THE COURT: Go ahead.

2 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you, Your Honor.

3 Q. Do you know approximately when your family —

4 THE BAILIFF: You have to turn your mike on.

5 MR. MESEREAU: Oh, okay. Sorry. I’ll start

6 again.

7 Q. Do you know approximately when your family

8 left Neverland and never came back.

9 A. No.

10 Q. It was in the spring of 2003, wasn’t it.

11 A. I don’t know.

12 Q. Well, it was — let me try and see if we can

13 get to that place. You went to Miami in February of

14 2003, right.

15 A. I don’t remember. I just know when we

16 finally left, we had enough time to go back to

17 school.

18 Q. Okay. And when did school start.

19 A. September.

20 Q. Okay.

21 A. September.

22 Q. Do you think you were at Neverland in June

23 2003.

24 A. I don’t know.

25 Q. Do you think you were there in April of

26 2003.

27 A. I don’t know.

28 Q. Okay. Have you ever discussed with your mom 1257

1 when you left Neverland and never came back.

2 A. No.

3 Q. Okay. Do you think you were at Neverland in

4 August of 2003.

5 A. I don’t know.

6 Q. Were you there right before you started

7 school.

8 A. No.

9 Q. You actually left many months before you

10 started school, didn’t you.

11 A. No. We were in school.

12 Q. You were in school when you left Neverland,

13 never to come back.

14 A. No. No. I didn’t understand your question.

15 Q. Okay. Let me try and not confuse you.

16 You come back from Miami, right.

17 A. Okay.

18 Q. And you go to Neverland, right. And at some

19 point you left Neverland, right.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And you’re back from Miami, you stay at

22 Neverland, and then you leave. Where do you go when

23 you leave.

24 A. Back to Jay’s house.

25 Q. Okay. That’s Jay Jackson, right.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And is that when you had the interviews at

28 Jay Jackson’s house. 1258

1 A. When we left the last time.

2 Q. Yes.

3 A. We never had an interview.

4 Q. Never had an interview at Jay Jackson’s

5 house.

6 A. No.

7 Q. Okay. Did you ever have an interview with

8 three social workers at Jay Jackson’s house.

9 A. Yes, but that was during this whole thing at

10 Neverland.

11 Q. Okay. I’m just trying to find out

12 approximately when — excuse me.

13 Yesterday you told the jury that at one

14 point you left Neverland for the last time, right.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. And you never came back again, right.

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. And that was before you went to see Attorney

19 Larry Feldman, wasn’t it.

20 A. Before we left Neverland.

21 Q. No. You left Neverland for the last time

22 before you first met Attorney Larry Feldman, right.

23 A. I don’t understand the question.

24 Q. Okay. At some point you met Attorney Larry

25 Feldman, right.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And you went to see Attorney Larry Feldman

28 with your mom, right. 1259

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. And that was after you had left Neverland

3 for the last time, right.

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. And at some point, Larry Feldman sent you to

6 a psychologist named Katz, right.

7 A. I didn’t know — I didn’t know he sent us.

8 Q. Okay. Well, you went to see a psychologist

9 named Stanley Katz, right.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And you saw him after you first met Attorney

12 Larry Feldman, right.

13 A. Yes. Yes.

14 Q. And you met Attorney Larry Feldman after you

15 met Attorney William Dickerman, right.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. And this all happened in the spring of 2003,

18 didn’t it.

19 A. I don’t — I don’t remember.

20 Q. You don’t know. You were never at Neverland

21 in the summer of 2003, were you.

22 A. Correct.

23 Q. Pardon me.

24 A. Correct.

25 Q. And you discussed many times with the Santa

26 Barbara Sheriffs the fact that you left Neverland in

27 the spring of 2003 and never came back, right.

28 A. Wait. 1260

1 Q. Sure.

2 A. I was there in 2003.

3 Q. No, no. You were there in 2003, but you

4 left in the spring, didn’t you.

5 A. I don’t remember when I left.

6 Q. Okay. Have you ever discussed with the

7 sheriffs when you left.

8 A. I don’t remember.

9 Q. Okay. Do you know if you were there in July

10 of 2003.

11 A. Don’t remember.

12 Q. Okay. You could have been.

13 A. Probably.

14 Q. Pardon me.

15 A. Probably.

16 Q. Okay. You told the jury the first night you

17 spent at Neverland, you slept where.

18 A. First out of all the trips.

19 Q. Yes.

20 A. In the guest unit.

21 Q. And that was your first night, right.

22 A. Of the first time I ever went to Neverland.

23 Q. Okay. Now, the first time you went to

24 Neverland, do you recall having dinner with Michael

25 Jackson in the main dining room.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And who was there for that dinner.

28 A. My mom — wait. I know it was my dad, my 1261

1 brother, me, my sister, Michael. I think my mom was

2 there also.

3 Q. Okay. Let me ask you this: You don’t

4 recall seeing Psychologist Sanely Katz in May of

5 2003, right.

6 A. I don’t — I don’t know the dates.

7 Q. Okay. Would it refresh your recollection if

8 I just show you his testimony. Would that help you.

9 A. His.

10 Q. If I showed you what Psychologist Stanley

11 Katz told the grand jury.

12 A. Sure. But I don’t know the dates.

13 Q. Okay. If I showed you what he said, would

14 that remind you.

15 A. I never knew the dates.

16 Q. Okay. Okay. So even if you saw it, it

17 wouldn’t —

18 A. No.

19 Q. — wouldn’t jog your memory.

20 Okay. Okay. And if I told you you saw

21 Stanley Katz again in June of 2003, that wouldn’t

22 jog your memory, would it.

23 A. No.

24 Q. All right. And if I told you when you first

25 saw Attorney Larry Feldman, that wouldn’t jog your

26 memory, would it.

27 A. No.

28 Q. Okay. But you never went back after you met 1262

1 Psychologist Katz, right.

2 MR. SNEDDON: Excuse me, Your Honor. Vague.

3 THE COURT: Sustained.


5 Q. Do you know if you ever returned to

6 Neverland after you first met Psychologist Stanley

7 Katz.

8 A. We never returned after we met Stanley Katz.

9 Q. Okay. And would it be true — excuse me.

10 It is true that you never returned to Neverland

11 after you met Attorney Larry Feldman, right.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And you first spoke to the Santa Barbara

14 Sheriffs after you met Stanley Katz, right.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. And you first went to the Santa Barbara

17 Sheriffs after you met Attorney Larry Feldman,

18 right.

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Is there anything I could show you that

21 would remind you —

22 A. I never knew the dates.

23 Q. Okay — – of when you met Attorney Feldman.

24 Don’t know.

25 A. Never knew.

26 Q. All right. Okay. Do you have any idea what

27 month it was when you last went to Neverland.

28 A. No. 1263

1 Q. Okay. All right. But you never were there

2 in August of 2003, were you.

3 A. I don’t remember the dates.

4 Q. You don’t know, okay.

Mesereau then asked Star about how he obtained the combination codes to Jackson’s bedroom, the wine cellar, and other rooms throughout Neverland. Star denied ever being caught trying to break into any room at Neverland when Jackson was away, and denied ever being caught drinking wine in the wine cellar when Jackson was away (but these facts will be proven later on in the trial):

5 Now, you told the Santa Barbara Sheriffs

6 about the locks in Michael Jackson’s home, did you

7 not.

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. You said his bedroom has double doors,

10 right.

11 A. Yes. When you first enter the room.

12 Q. And you said there are several locks, right.

13 A. There’s seven locks.

14 Q. Seven locks.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Including a combination lock, right.

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. How did you know there were seven locks.

19 A. I don’t know. I just remember looking at

20 them.

21 Q. Did you know the combination to that

22 combination lock.

23 A. Do you mean the digit key pad.

24 Q. Well, you told the police there’s a

25 combination lock, didn’t you.

26 A. I said there was a key pad.

27 Q. Okay. Was that the code you were talking

28 about. 1264

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. All right. And did that code unlock the

3 seven locks.

4 A. No, it only unlocked one lock. The other

5 six locks were unlocked manually.

6 Q. Were what.

7 A. Were unlocked by hand.

8 Q. Okay. Have you ever unlocked any of those

9 several locks.

10 A. I really don’t remember.

11 Q. You don’t remember at all.

12 A. No.

13 Q. You were caught trying to unlock those locks

14 one time, weren’t you.

15 A. When.

16 Q. At Neverland.

17 A. I don’t remember that.

18 Q. Do you recall anyone from security ever

19 catching you trying to open those locks.

20 A. From the outside.

21 Q. Yes.

22 A. You — it’s impossible to open them from the

23 outside.

24 Q. Did you ever try to do it.

25 A. No.

26 Q. Were you ever caught by any security person

27 trying to open those locks.

28 A. No. 1265

1 Q. Don’t recall that at all.

2 A. If — if I ever went to the door and punched

3 in the — the key code, if it didn’t open, I just

4 left. I never tried to force it open.

5 Q. So, you’re telling the jury that you did go,

6 on at least one occasion —

7 A. No, I’m saying if that ever happened.

8 Q. If it ever happened.

9 A. If those two doors were locked.

10 Q. Right. If they were locked and you didn’t

11 know the code, you couldn’t get in, right.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And are you saying you tried a code one time

14 that didn’t work.

15 A. No, I’m just saying.

16 Q. Just saying what.

17 A. If the door was locked and you punch in the

18 key code, there’s no other way you could possibly

19 get in.

20 Q. All right. Because you tried it and it

21 didn’t work one time, right.

22 A. I never said I did.

23 Q. Did you.

24 A. I’m just saying if I tried, that would

25 happen.

26 Q. Did you ever try that.

27 A. No.

28 Q. Never once. 1266

1 A. No.

2 Q. And never were caught by anyone trying to

3 use the wrong code.

4 A. No.

5 Q. Okay. Do you know if your brother was ever

6 caught trying to use the wrong code to get in.

7 A. No.

8 Q. Okay. Now, you told the sheriffs that the

9 code was either 1960 or 1849, right.

10 A. It was 1960 and 1849.

11 Q. How did you know that.

12 A. Because 1849 was the master code. And 1960,

13 1960 got you into Michael’s room.

14 Q. Okay. You told the sheriffs that 1849 is a

15 general combination for Neverland, right.

16 A. Yes. It’s the master code.

17 Q. And 1960 is a combination for Michael’s

18 bedroom, right.

19 A. Yes. It’s the code for Michael’s bedroom.

20 Q. Which one are you telling the jury the

21 security guard gave you.

22 A. 1849.

23 Q. Do you know why the security guard gave it

24 to you and not Michael.

25 A. We never really asked Michael for that. He

26 just showed us one day.

27 Q. The security guard did.

28 A. Yes. 1267

1 Q. And you remember the codes to this day,

2 right.

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. How many times do you think you’ve used

5 those codes.

6 A. A lot of times.

7 Q. How many times; do you think.

8 A. Probably over a hundred.

9 Q. Over a hundred times you’ve been to Michael

10 Jackson’s bedroom.

11 A. No, it gets you in everywhere.

12 Q. So you’ve probably used these codes to see

13 every room in Neverland, right.

14 A. No, I just — I just knew the codes.

15 Q. Huh.

16 A. I memorized them.

17 Q. Okay.

18 A. So I won’t get locked out.

19 Q. But you’ve used them about a hundred times

20 you said, right.

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. You’ve been into every single room at

23 Neverland, haven’t you.

24 A. At one point, yes.

25 Q. You went in with your brothers, right. Or,

26 excuse me, your brother, right.

27 A. In every room.

28 Q. Yes. 1268

1 A. No.

2 Q. Did you go to every room by yourself.

3 A. No, I was either with — I was with someone.

4 Q. Well, you weren’t always with Michael,

5 right.

6 A. I was probably in the toy room with Prince

7 and Paris and Grace.

8 Q. Okay. Did you let them into the room.

9 A. What.

10 Q. Did you use the code and let them into the

11 room.

12 A. No. Grace knew the code.

13 Q. I’m asking you if you remember how many

14 times you think you’ve used these codes —

15 A. A lot of times.

16 Q. — to get into the rooms at Neverland. You

17 said about 100, right.

18 A. No, I’m guessing. I’m just saying I used

19 them a lot of times.

20 Q. Why did you pick the number 100.

21 A. I don’t know. I’m just trying to show that

22 I used them a lot of times.

23 Q. All right. And you used them many times

24 when Michael Jackson wasn’t even at Neverland,

25 right.

26 A. He was there. It got you into the house.

27 It got you into his bedroom. Got you into the front

28 door. 1269

1 Q. But you’ve used those codes many times when

2 Michael Jackson wasn’t even at Neverland, right.

3 A. When.

4 Q. I’m asking you.

5 A. I never used them. What did you say.

6 Q. No, let me rephrase it.

7 You personally, Star Arvizo, have used those

8 codes to get into rooms at Neverland when Michael

9 Jackson wasn’t even there, right.

10 A. No. No.

11 Q. You’re saying —

12 A. We barely learned those codes after the

13 Miami trip. I never knew them before.

14 Q. Do you recall ever being caught in the wine

15 cellar —

16 A. The wine cellar doesn’t have a combination

17 lock.

18 Q. Do you recall ever being caught in the wine

19 cellar drinking wine when Michael Jackson wasn’t

20 present.

21 A. Never.

22 Q. Never happened.

23 A. It — it’s always locked, and it always —

24 it — to unlock it you need a key. There’s no

25 combination to get in there.

26 Q. Let me repeat my question.

27 Do you recall ever being caught in the wine

28 cellar at Neverland with Gavin drinking wine when 1270

1 Michael Jackson wasn’t even there.

2 A. No.

3 Q. Are you saying that never happened.

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Do you ever recall being caught at any other

6 location in Neverland drinking wine when Michael

7 Jackson wasn’t there.

8 A. No.

9 Q. Okay. That never happened.

10 A. Yes.

Mesereau then begins to question Star about whether or not he and Gavin ever rummaged through Jackson’s bedroom while he was away, and how Star was able to give such an accurate description of the wine cellar if he had only been in there a few times. Star and Gavin gave a very detailed description of Jackson’s closet to police, and they claimed that Jackson was the only area of the room that Jackson showed them.

5 Q. Okay. All right. So how many times have

6 you been in the wine cellar, then.

7 A. Twice.

8 Q. All right. And you learned this description

9 of the wine cellar by just being there twice,

10 correct.

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Were you ever caught drinking wine in the

13 guest quarters.

14 A. Never.

15 Q. Never once.

16 A. Never.

17 Q. Never touched it at the guest quarters,

18 right.

19 A. Never.

20 Q. Okay. You gave a description of Michael’s

21 bedroom to the jury yesterday, right.

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. And what did you tell the jury you’d find on

24 the first floor.

25 A. The first floor.

26 Q. Yes. The first floor of Michael’s bedroom,

27 yes.

28 A. The room to the right or to the left. 1275

1 Q. Let’s take the room to the left. What do

2 you see in the room to the left.

3 A. All the way to the left.

4 Q. Yes.

5 A. There’s like — there’s a counter with a

6 bunch of perfumes and colognes. There’s a mirror.

7 There’s another big mirror behind it. There’s

8 speakers. There’s a bunch of electric razors in a

9 drawer. There’s a big bathtub, Jacuzzi-type thing.

10 There used to be a reclining chair there. It

11 wasn’t — you couldn’t — it was — it was like a

12 square cushion, and there was a cushioned chair, and

13 there’s a dresser. There’s a door with a small —

14 with a toilet in there. There’s glass doors all the

15 way to the end. There’s a big safe in there. What

16 else. There’s a — yeah.

17 Q. And how about the room to the right.

18 A. All the way to the right, there’s another

19 counter with a bunch of stuff on it. There’s a

20 poster of Harry Potter and his two friends. There’s

21 a rest room all the way, if you keep walking down,

22 with a shower. There’s a closet to your left with a

23 bunch of clothes and a bunch of souvenirs from other

24 movies.

25 There’s — when you first walk in, there’s a

26 closet with a bunch of pajamas. And if you go to

27 your left, there’s the stairs going up.

28 What else is there. There’s a — that’s it. 1276

1 Q. You and your brother were caught in that

2 room when Michael Jackson wasn’t even at Neverland,

3 weren’t you.

4 A. To sleep, yeah.

5 Q. You and your brother used to go into that

6 room when Michael wasn’t even at Neverland, right.

7 A. Yes, Michael opened his room up to us so we

8 could sleep there while he was gone.

9 Q. You were actually asked to leave that room

10 when you were caught during a time when Michael

11 wasn’t even at Neverland, right.

12 A. No.

13 Q. And you and your brother rummaged through

14 every room in that bedroom area, correct.

15 A. No.

16 Q. You went snooping around the entire bedroom

17 area when Michael wasn’t even there, correct.

18 A. No.

19 Q. You went into that closet when Michael

20 wasn’t even there, correct.

21 A. No.

22 Q. How do you know there are pajamas in the

23 closet.

24 A. Because Michael showed us.

25 Q. So Michael was showing you every little bit

26 of the bedroom.

27 A. No, he just showed us where the pajamas

28 were. 1277

1 Q. And you were never caught in there and asked

2 to leave; is that what you’re saying.

3 A. Yes.

Here is an important part of Mesereau’s cross-examination: he catches Star in a huge lie! Yesterday under direct examination, Star pointed to an issue of “Barely Legal” that he alleged was shown to him by Jackson in March 2003. He not only said it was “an” issue of “Barely Legal”, but that it was the EXACT issue of “Barely Legal” that Jackson allegedly showed him! Sneddon referred to it as “People’s 86”, it’s evidence number, and Star confirmed it. Here is an excerpt of his direct examination:

6 Q. What happened.

7 A. There was adult material in there.

8 Q. All right. But how did it get opened.

9 A. Michael pulled it out.

10 Q. All right. Tell us what he did.

11 A. He picked it up, sat on the bed and opened

12 it.

13 Q. And then what.

14 A. He pulled the magazine out and started

15 showing us.

16 Q. How many magazines do you think you saw that

17 time.

18 A. Four. Three. I don’t know.

19 Q. Did you look through the entire magazines.

20 A. No. It was probably a section or something

21 like that.

22 Q. What did you see in the magazines.

23 A. Nude females.

24 Q. What.

25 A. Nude females.

26 Q. Do you remember the names of any of the

27 titles of the magazines that you saw.

28 A. “Barely Legal” and “Playboy.” 1156

1 Q. Were there others that you saw besides that,

2 or are those the only ones you saw.

3 A. Those are the only ones I remember.

4 Q. I’m going to show you a photograph marked as

5 People’s 86 for identification purposes.

6 And that’s — first of all, I’m going to

7 move that People’s 470 be admitted into evidence,

8 Your Honor.

9 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; foundation.

10 THE COURT: We’ll take that up separately.

11 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. People’s 86.

12 Do you recognize that.

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Is that an accurate depiction of what it

15 represents.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. All right. I’m going to ask you some

18 questions about People’s 86.

19 And put it on the board, Your Honor. I move

20 it be admitted into evidence.

21 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Foundation; and

22 authenticity and relevance.

23 THE COURT: On 86.

24 MR. SNEDDON: Yes. I asked him and he said

25 it accurately depicted the materials.

26 THE COURT: I’m not sure. I haven’t seen

27 the —

28 MR. SNEDDON: In your book, it’s No. 86, 1157

1 Your Honor —

2 THE COURT: Okay.

3 MR. SNEDDON: — in your photographs.

4 MR. MESEREAU: Also 352, Your Honor.

5 THE COURT: I don’t think that’s an adequate

6 foundation for that particular photograph, that it

7 accurately depicts what it is. You need a further

8 foundation.

9 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Star, the materials that

10 are depicted in that photograph, People’s 86, do you

11 see those.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Do you recognize any of those.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Where do you recognize them from.

16 A. The black suitcase.

17 Q. And which time.

18 A. The first and second time.

19 Q. Does that photograph represent the items

20 that you saw with the defendant, Michael Jackson.

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. In his bedroom and in his Jacuzzi, or in his

23 bathroom.

24 A. Yes.

25 MR. SNEDDON: I move it be admitted, Your

26 Honor.

27 THE COURT: All right. That is an adequate

28 foundation. 1158

1 Your 352 was on what basis, Counsel.

2 MR. MESEREAU: He didn’t identify some of

3 what’s in that photograph, Your Honor, at all.

4 THE COURT: I found that the foundation is

5 adequate now. You had a 352 objection.


7 THE COURT: What was that.

8 MR. MESEREAU: Well, basically because he

9 didn’t identify it, and because after describing

10 what he said was there, and then looking at the

11 photo and saying it accurately depicts it, he didn’t

12 identify everything, I think basically it’s

13 prejudicial and irrelevant.

14 THE COURT: All right. The probative value

15 exceeds the prejudicial —

16 THE DEFENDANT: I can’t hear.

17 THE COURT: It’s admitted.

18 THE DEFENDANT: I can’t hear you.

19 MR. SANGER: Your Honor, it’s a little hard

20 for Mr. Jackson to hear you.

21 THE DEFENDANT: Please speak up.

22 THE COURT: Yes. The probative value of

23 Exhibit 86 exceeds any prejudicial effects, and so

24 it’s admitted.

Now here is how Mesereau caught Star in his lie under cross-examination! Star stood firm and claimed that he didn’t say that Jackson showed him the particular issue that was in the photograph with the briefcase, but his direct testimony from above clearly contradicts that!

4 Q. Okay. Now, referring to Exhibit 86 —

5 May I approach the witness, Your Honor.


7 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you.

8 Q. Star, I’m showing you a photograph that you

9 identified yesterday. The number is 86. Do you see

10 that.

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. And that’s a briefcase with some girlie

13 magazines, right.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. And you told the jury yesterday, they’re the

16 magazines you saw at Neverland, right.

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. And before you testified about these

19 magazines —

20 May I show the jury this, Your Honor.

21 THE COURT: Yes.

22 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you.

23 Shall I just hand it to them.

24 THE COURT: If that’s what you would like.

25 MR. SANGER: Tom, do you want to put it up

26 on the screen.

27 MR. MESEREAU: Sure.

28 MR. SANGER: I’ve turned this on. 1278

1 THE BAILIFF: It would be “Input 4.”

2 THE COURT: It would be “4”.

3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Now, do you see that

4 briefcase, Star.

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And what you’re looking at is Exhibit 86,

7 right.

8 A. I don’t see the number.

9 Q. Okay. Just — what you’re looking at is

10 a — appears to be a black briefcase with some

11 girlie magazines, right.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And the first one says “Barely Legal” on it;

14 do you see that.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. And it appears to be a blonde woman lifting

17 up her shirt, correct.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. And it appears to be a blonde woman who’s

20 exposing her breasts, right.

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. And she appears to be wearing a dark pair of

23 shorts, right.

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. Before you testified yesterday you looked at

26 that photograph with Prosecutor Sneddon, correct.

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. You told Prosecutor Sneddon that those are 1279

1 the magazines you had seen at Neverland, right.

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. You told Prosecutor Sneddon that Michael

4 Jackson had showed you those magazines, right.

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Michael Jackson never showed you that

7 magazine, “Barely Legal,” did he.

8 A. What.

9 Q. Michael Jackson never showed you that

10 magazine, “Barely Legal,” did he.

11 A. He did show us.

12 Q. He did.

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Well, Star, did you look at the date of the

15 magazine. It’s August of 2003, is it not.

16 A. Well, I never said that was exactly that

17 one.

18 Q. Well, your family had left Neverland many

19 months before, never to return, correct.

20 A. That — I’m telling you that that wasn’t

21 exactly the one he showed us.

22 Q. That’s not what you said yesterday, and it’s

23 not what you said today, right.

24 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, that’s

25 argumentative.

26 THE COURT: Sustained.

27 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: When you told the jury

28 yesterday that Michael Jackson showed you the 1280

1 magazine “Barely Legal,” you were not telling the

2 truth, right.

3 A. Um, I said that he did show us Barely Legal.

4 I didn’t say that he showed us that exact one. He

5 showed us those magazines.

6 Q. You told the jury yesterday that Michael

7 showed you the particular magazine depicted in the

8 photograph, didn’t you.

9 A. No. I said that he showed us those type of

10 magazines.

11 Q. You’re saying it now because you just found

12 out what the date is, right.

13 A. I never said those were exactly the ones.

14 Q. Okay. Okay. Did you discuss this issue

15 with Prosecutor Sneddon this morning.

16 A. No.

17 Q. Have you ever discussed this issue with any

18 prosecutor.

19 A. Never.

20 Q. Ever discussed this issue with any Santa

21 Barbara Sheriff’s officer.

22 A. Never.

23 Q. Okay. You testified yesterday to the jury

24 that you found that briefcase cracked open, correct.

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. In fact, you and your brother were caught

27 trying to get into that briefcase, weren’t you.

28 A. No. 1281

1 Q. You deny that anyone at Neverland ever

2 caught you trying to get into the briefcase.

3 A. Yes.

Here is an interview of Jackson’s former attorney Brian Oxman from September 2010, where he discussed the magazine evidence with Jackson advocate William Wagener, beginning at the 2 minute mark. For the defense to take the initiative to buy the original copies of the magazines shows great wisdom and foresight on their part:

In this excerpt, Mesereau questions Star about his assertion that Jackson allegedly showed him online pornography during his first visit to Neverland in 2000, and whether or not he had ever viewed online porn before meeting Jackson.  Star gave some lame excuse about being nervous during his police interviews and, therefore, cutting off some of his sentences, which made the police misinterpret his words. When Mesereau showed Star a transcript of his police interview, where he said that Jackson showed him a specific pornographic website, Star denied it by saying “I never said that. That’s just a paragraph that somebody wrote”: Here is an excerpt from Star’s grand jury testimony about being shown porn byJackson, from March 29th, 2004: (pages 17-19), followed by an excerp from his cross examination:


26 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Were you ever asked to

27 look at a girlie magazine when you testified in

28 front of the Santa Barbara grand jury. 1283

1 A. I was never handed a girlie magazine.

2 Q. Has Mr. Sneddon ever shown you a girlie

3 magazine during your interviews.

4 A. No, except on the — on the photo that you

5 just showed.

6 Q. Okay. And when was that.

7 A. When.

8 Q. When was that.

9 A. Just a moment ago.

10 Q. Okay. Just a moment ago.

11 A. Yes. I’m talking about the picture you just

12 showed a moment ago.

13 Q. Yes. Yes. He showed you that picture,

14 right.

15 A. Yes. In the grand jury.

16 Q. And did you testify in the grand jury that

17 you saw these magazines.

18 A. No, I said I saw those types of magazines.

19 Q. Okay. Mr. Arvizo —

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. — you told Mr. Sneddon, in no uncertain

22 terms, that those were the magazines you had seen,

23 didn’t you.

24 A. I said those — those are the type of

25 magazines we saw.

26 Q. Okay. Had you ever seen any girlie

27 magazines in your life before you say Michael

28 Jackson showed them to you. 1284 

1 A. Hmm, no.

2 Q. Never.

3 A. Well, I was only like 11, 12.

4 Q. Weren’t you caught at Neverland looking in

5 girlie magazines.

6 A. I said no.

7 Q. No one ever caught you and your brother

8 looking at girlie magazines at Neverland.

9 A. Never.

10 Q. Okay. Okay. And your testimony is until

11 you got to Neverland, you and your brother had never

12 looked at a girlie magazine at any time; is that

13 right.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Okay. Before you got to Neverland, had you

16 ever used a computer.

17 A. Yes. In school.

18 Q. Had you ever used one at home.

19 A. No.

20 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m a little late

21 on the trigger on this one, but I want to object to

22 that as vague and have it stricken in terms of what

23 point in time we’re talking about.

24 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase it, Your Honor.

25 THE COURT: All right.

26 MR. SNEDDON: Could the question and the

27 answer be stricken, please.

28 THE COURT: Denied. 1285

1 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Before your first visit to

2 Neverland, had you ever used a computer.

3 A. No.

4 Q. Did you know anything about computers before

5 you made your first visit to Neverland.

6 A. I knew I could punch in some keys and I

7 could spell a word.

8 Q. And where had you learned to do that.

9 A. At school, at word-processing class.

10 Q. Before you were first interviewed by the

11 Santa Barbara Sheriffs, did you know anything about

12 computers.

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. And what did you know about computers at

15 that point.

16 A. How to type and how to surf the net.

17 Q. You knew how to surf the net before you

18 first went to Neverland, didn’t you.

19 A. I didn’t even know we had Internet. Well, I

20 might have, but never really —

21 Q. You say you might have.

22 A. Yeah, I might have, but I never really saw

23 the point of going there.

24 Q. When you were first interviewed by the Santa

25 Barbara Sheriffs, you told them about what you’ve

26 claimed Michael Jackson and Frank did with a

27 computer, right.

28 A. Yes. 1286

1 Q. And you told the Santa Barbara Sheriffs that

2 they found a site like the AOL, right.

3 A. Like the AOL.

4 Q. Yes.

5 A. Well, I was kind of nervous — I was kind of

6 nervous in that interview. I might have dropped off

7 on half of my sentence.

8 Q. You were kind of nervous in the interview

9 and you might have dropped off like half of your

10 sentence.

11 A. Yes. Whenever — well, that’s how I speak.

12 Whenever I’m nervous, I cut off part of my sentence.

13 Or — I don’t know, I’m just — that’s how I am.

14 Q. Has anyone showed you a record of your

15 interview before you testified today.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Who.

18 A. D.A.’s Office.

19 Q. Excuse me.

20 A. The D.A.’s Office.

21 Q. Who in the D.A.’s Office showed you a

22 transcript of your interview before you testified

23 today.

24 A. What interview. The Santa Barbara.

25 Q. Yes.

26 A. It was mailed to me.

27 Q. And do you know who mailed it to you.

28 A. No. 1287

1 Q. Do you know when you received it.

2 A. About a month ago.

3 Q. Did you read it.

4 A. No.

5 Q. You didn’t read it at all.

6 A. Well, I did read it towards the end.

7 Q. Did you read the whole thing.

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Did you then discuss that transcript with

10 anybody.

11 A. No.

12 Q. Never.

13 A. No. Tom told us not to.

14 Q. Okay. Well, I haven’t showed you that

15 portion of the transcript yet today, right.

16 A. What.

17 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I object as vague.

18 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase it. I’ll

19 rephrase.

20 Q. The part of the transcript where you told

21 the sheriffs about AOL – okay. —

22 A. Okay.

23 Q. — when did you last see that page.

24 A. I don’t even remember seeing it.

25 Q. You never saw it.

26 A. No, I don’t remember seeing it, but it was

27 probably in there.

28 Q. Okay. Well, I’ll represent to you that your 1288

1 sentence does sort of break off.

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. Okay.

4 A. A lot of my sentences do.

5 Q. How did you know that sentence broke off.

6 A. Because when I’m nervous, that’s how I talk.

7 Q. Pardon me.

8 A. When I’m nervous, that’s how I talk.

9 Q. You clearly looked at that before you

10 testified today, didn’t you.

11 A. No. I didn’t look at those papers.

12 Q. Never looked at them once.

13 A. No. Probably looked at them when I got up

14 here, when — no, not right here, but when I came up

15 to Santa Barbara.

16 Q. When you came up to Santa Barbara, you’re

17 saying you looked at your transcript of your police

18 interview, right.

19 A. No.

20 Q. Okay. I’m sorry, I’m not understanding what

21 you’re saying. And if I’m not being clear, just

22 tell me. Okay.

23 A. Okay.

24 Q. There was a point in your sheriff’s

25 interview where you talked about Frank and Michael

26 Jackson showing you a computer, right.

27 A. Yes. It was the — that was the same

28 computer my brother had. 1289

1 Q. And is that a computer that Michael Jackson

2 gave to your brother.

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Do you know when he gave it to him.

5 A. During the first visit.

6 Q. Okay. And you told the Santa Barbara

7 Sheriffs, like you told the jury yesterday, that

8 during that first visit, Michael Jackson and Frank

9 showed you the computer, right.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. You told the sheriffs they looked at a site

12 like AOL, correct.

13 A. I don’t — I don’t know what I meant by

14 saying that.

15 Q. But you said it.

16 A. I know. I probably cut off the sentence.

17 Q. You’re saying that you told the sheriffs it

18 was a site like AOL, but you don’t know what AOL

19 means.

20 A. I probably meant we probably went on AOL and

21 we found a site there.

22 Q. Do you know what “AOL” means.

23 A. It’s an Internet company.

24 Q. When you told the Santa Barbara Sheriffs you

25 went on a site —

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. — like AOL, you knew how to use the

28 Internet, right. 1290

1 A. No. I don’t remember saying that.

2 Q. When you were first interviewed by the Santa

3 Barbara Sheriffs —

4 A. Okay.

5 Q. First interview, okay.

6 A. Right.

7 Q. You told them Michael Jackson and Frank

8 showed you and your brother a site on the computer,

9 right.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. You told them it was a site like AOL, right.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. You knew what AOL was when you mentioned

14 that, didn’t you.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Why did you just tell the jury you didn’t

17 know.

18 A. I knew it after my brother was — was, I

19 don’t know, I don’t know, was connected or — I

20 don’t know the word, but when he was — because when

21 Michael gave him the laptop, he had someone call him

22 and set up an AOL account for my brother for his

23 laptop.

24 Q. Okay. You and your brother had looked at

25 Internet sites before you ever visited Neverland,

26 hadn’t you.

27 A. No. I had — I was — never really used the

28 Internet. 1291

1 Q. Your brother had, as far as you know, right.

2 A. No. I never — never really monitored my

3 brother.

4 Q. Pardon me.

5 A. I never really monitored my brother.

6 Q. When Michael Jackson gave your brother a

7 computer —

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. — you and your brother already knew how to

10 use it, correct.

11 A. No. He called someone to hook it up. Well,

12 talked to my brother on the phone of how to hook it

13 up.

14 Q. You told the police in your first interview

15 you looked at www dot p-u-s-s-y dot com.

16 A. No, I was making an example that I was

17 trying to say, that wasn’t the exact site. I’m just

18 saying, I was just making an example.

19 Q. Okay. You also told the police you might

20 have looked at www dot t-e-e-n p-u-s-s-y dot com,

21 right.

22 A. No. I never said that.

23 Q. You never said that to the sheriffs.

24 A. No.

25 Q. Would it refresh your recollection if I show

26 you their report.

27 A. Sure.

28 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor. 1292


2 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

3 look at that page.

4 A. Yes, but —

5 Q. “But” what.

6 A. I never said that. That’s just a paragraph

7 that somebody wrote.

8 Q. So you never said that to the Santa Barbara

9 Sheriffs —

10 A. I might have, but I don’t remember saying

11 it.

12 Q. Well, you are saying that if it appears in a

13 report, it’s wrong.

14 A. Well, I’m saying I never remember saying it.

15 Q. Okay. Star, you and your brother were

16 caught at Neverland looking at computer sites when

17 Michael wasn’t even there, right.

18 A. There’s no computers at Neverland.

19 Q. Your brother had one.

20 A. At the beginning. But then it broke, and

21 then we never had it again. And the only other

22 computer there was Frank’s computer, and Frank took

23 it everywhere he went.

24 Q. Okay. So you never were caught by

25 anybody —

26 A. No.

27 Q. — looking at adult material sites on a

28 computer. 1293

1 A. No.

2 Q. Is that correct.

3 A. There’s no computers in Neverland.

Star just testified that there were no computers at Neverland, but that is contradicted by the FBI files that were released in December 2009, in which they stated that they searched 18 computers at Neverland for child pornography, but determined that there wasn’t any on Jackson’s computers. (Had there been any, Jackson would have been arrested on the spot, and would still be sitting in a jail cell to this day!)  Look at pages 9-23 and notice the description of “Nothing” for each of the computers that were searched for child pornography!

Star’s cross examination will be continued in the next post: Here’s the link 


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  1. lynande51 permalink
    June 5, 2012 3:00 am

    David here is the Stipulation Between the two Parties as to what Evidence is to be excluded. It has a complete list of the items seized from Neverland and that includes all of the computers. The 300 series is the main house, the 500 series of from the Video Arcade library and small apartment ( Frank’s office) The 600 series os from the Security Office, the 1000 series is from Michael’s office. You can use that to show that there were a few computers at Neverland. Some of the hard drives that the FBI examined were also from Schaffel’s house and Hamid’s house. They would be the 900 series and the 1200 series respectively. It is easier to add that and then from the FBI list you know which computer cam from where in the house and at the other locations. Here is the link if you want to add it to this one. While I was looking for this I was reading Sneddon’s opening statement where he is talking about the location of the magazines when they were found and it seems that the largest part of them were found in the Master Bathroom with the exception of the 1920-1930 nudist magazines. The number of magazines that were located in the briefcase where Gavin’s finger print was found was seven along with some loose pages. There was one fingerprint belonging to Gavin on the one magazone and that turned out to be the one that could not have been in print when they were at the ranch. Just the one. The rest of the fingerprints they found belonged to Michael from that breifcase. The largest portion of magazines came from the MasterBath where the jacuzzi is and Michael had a lot of company staying there while he was in Las Vegas for approximately 3-6 weeks prior to the search. we have gone over the list but is was his cousins and his Omer and his friends from Norway. ONe other thing of interest to note is that they seized and swabbed a wine bottle and a jack Daniels bottle from the same area. They were eliminated by prosecution and the defense so they must not have proven that Michael Jackson drank out of them. My question to the prosecution would be is Michael supposed to be held responsible for the actions of 19-21 year old men when he is a state away?

    Click to access 082004stipptsreitmsnvrld.pdf


  2. lynande51 permalink
    June 5, 2012 3:03 am

    I mean don’t guys that age party now and then? If you look at it from Omer perspective it was legal for him to drink at home in Norway so….


  3. lynande51 permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:22 am

    Oh and another glaring inconsistancy is the fact that Star said he was touched on his thigh a couple of days before the trip to Calabasas and a couple of days before he saw what he says he saw. Michael was in Florida for five days before the Arvizo’s went to the Calabasas Inn and Suites. He was in Florida for Banket’s first Birthday. That is February 20th.


  4. nannorris permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:04 am

    This kid is so completely full of it…
    The remark about them going to AOL..was that a slip up..I had missed that when I have read these before…..
    And how many times can a witness say “probably”..
    Cant remember when he left Neverland , but can remember , codes , the word clitoris , even though, he supposedly doesnt know what it means..
    can tell you how many locks are on MJ bedroom door and what kind of locks are on the wine cellar.
    And the details of MJ bathroom with the bunch of razors in his drawers !!
    What scum !!
    No wonder Mesereau considered not even having to put on a defense.
    There is no doubt what so ever that these people were all liars , grifters looking for a big payday..
    What becomes more obvious as you read these things , is there is no way that the prosecution team couldn’t have known they were lying ,,because they help them cover up the lies ,



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