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Jacksons vs AEG trial. BRIAN PANISH’S CLOSING ARGUMENTS

September 24, 2013
Judge Yvette Palazuelos

Judge Yvette Palazuelos

BREAKING NEWS:  

The judge allowed cameras in the court room to show the closing arguments of both sides in the case!

ABC7 says:

“Closing arguments in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial begin Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013.

AEG is accused of negligently hiring Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted in 2011 of giving Michael Jackson a lethal dose of propofol, which led to his death. If jurors find that it was AEG that hired the doctor, they must also decide whether AEG was negligent in hiring Murray, and whether the concert promoter knew he was incompetent.

Mr. Panish: "Everyone knew there was a problem"

Mr. Panish: “They made it a legal strategy to remember nothing”

The trial has lasted nearly five months. Jurors have heard from more than 30 witnesses. Once the closing arguments are completed, jurors can begin deliberating as early as Thursday.”

The first to speak is Mr. Panish of the Plaintiffs. 

ABC is livestreaming his closing arguments:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=9259817

LA Times is also streaming. They say that it works best on slow connections:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-ln-watch-it-live-closing-arguments-michael-jackson-trial-20130924,0,5334210.story?track=rss

CNN is streaming too:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvplive/cvpstream2.html

HLN is live-blogging the closing arguments and provides some of the highlights here:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/09/24/michael-jackson-aeg-live-trial-closing-arguments

The AEG lawyers

The AEG lawyers

The comments on the HLN website are horrendous.  It is time Michael Jackson’s supporters had their say there too!

Live blog: Who’s responsible for MJ’s death?

By Amanda Sloane
Tue September 24, 2013

HLN is live-blogging closing arguments. Read below for minute-by-minute updates from the trial (best read from the bottom up):

6:59 p.m. ET: Panish has ended his closing argument. He thanked the jury, and told the jury he will give a shorter rebuttal argument Thursday. AEG’s attorneys will give their closing argument tomorrow. The judge told the parties to report to the courtroom tomorrow at 12:30 p.m. ET.

6:55 p.m. ET: Panish said he believes each of Jackson’s children should be awarded $85 million dollars for past and future losses.

6:50 p.m. ET: Panish is playing a song Jackson wrote for his children, while video plays of Jackson with his children.

6:47 p.m. ET: Panish said Paris was there when her father overdosed, and it was very traumatic for her.

6:42 p.m. ET: Prince was very close to his father, and he was like his father’s little assistant according to Panish.

6:36 p.m. ET: Panish is now detailing the non-monetary loss Jackson’s children have suffered from his death.

6:33 p.m. ET: Jackson wrote poetry for his mother.

6:29 p.m. ET: This is a picture of the Jackson family home in Gary, Indiana.

6:27 p.m. ET: Panish is showing the jury some pictures of Jackson with his family.

6:25 p.m. ET: “Death lasts forever,” said Panish. “This will never be replaced.”

6:23 p.m. ET: Panish is now discussing how the Jackson family has suffered loss besides monetary losses. He is explaining that Jackson family will no longer feel MJ’s love or comfort.

6:19 p.m. ET: Panish has picked back up with his closing argument. He says AEG wanted Jackson to perform, because his tour was going to make a large profit. He also says Jackson invested in his family.

5:57 p.m. ET: The video is over, and Panish said the video of past performances was the best evidence that Jackson could have still sold out shows if he had lived. Court is now in a 15 minute break.

5:52 p.m. ET: The video of past performances has been playing for more than 10 minutes now.

5:48 p.m. ET: The video also showed Jackson’s first moonwalk at the 25th Anniversary of the Grammy’s.

5:42 p.m. ET: The video of past performances shows Jackson performing with the Jackson 5 as a child, and also shows him performing to sold out crowds as an adult.

5:38 p.m. ET: Panish is playing a video of Jackson’s performances for the jury so they can see he could have still earned a substantial amount of money if he lived.

5:36 p.m. ET: AEG’s own accounting figures indicate that Jackson was going to earn close to $1.5 billion on his final tour.

5:34 p.m. ET: Panish just played a clip from “This is it” with Kenny Ortega saying that Jackson could have sold out 200 shows on his final tour.

5:31 p.m. ET: Panish said Katherine Jackson should awarded less money that his children, because her life expectancy is much shorter.

5:27 p.m. ET: When deciding how much to award Katherine Jackson and Michael’s kids, Panish tells jurors they have to use common sense to decide “what is just and fair.”

5:25 p.m. ET: “Unfortunately nothing can bring Michael Jackson back… in our society there’s a tremendous value placed on human life,” said Panish. He has started talking about Jackson’s mom, Katherine, saying there is no word for a parent who has lost a child because it’s “an indescribable loss that no parent should ever experience.”

5:22 p.m. ET: Panish is moving on to the next set of questions, which address compensatory damages.

5:19 p.m. ET: A timeline of Jackson’s medical treatments is displayed  on a slide. Panish says Jackson survived 50 years of procedures with “never a single issue.” He says the one thing that changed was AEG and Murray.

5:16 p.m. ET: Panish tells jurors they don’t need to spend much time on question #4 and moves on to question #5: “Was AEG Live’s negligence in hiring, supervising, or retaining Dr. Conrad Murray a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson and the Jackson Plaintiffs’ harm?”

5:15 p.m. ET: Panish moves on to question #4, saying the answer is “obviously” yes: “Did Dr. Conrad Murray’s unfitness or incompetence harm Michael Jackson and the Jackson Plaintiffs?”

5:10 p.m. ET: Jackson was described by a witness earlier in the trial as “very, very underweight… like someone who was at the end stage of a — of a long disease process.”

5:04 p.m. ET: One AEG employee [Michael Bush] said Jackson was so thin, he could see his heart beating in his chest. Another employee expressed fears Jackson was going to die and needed to be hospitalized, according to Panish.

5:01 p.m. ET: The director of Jackson’s show e-mailed AEG executives, telling them Jackson was in trouble and needed a mental evaluation, according to Panish.

4:59 p.m. ET: E-mails Panish reads in court show there were concerns about “trouble at the front” when it came to Jackson’s health and his tour.

4:56 p.m. ET: The director of the show, Kenny Ortega, was supposed to monitor Jackson’s health, according to Panish. “The pressure was on,” said Panish. Jackson and Ortega then put the pressure on Murray, according to Panish.

4:52 p.m. ET: Panish says everyone knew Jackson had problems sleeping and needed help to treat his insomnia.

4:48 p.m. ET: Testimony from earlier in the trial continues to be played by Panish.

4:41 p.m. ET: Panish warns the courtroom not to laugh as he replays testimony by a few AEG executives who are edited together to say “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” several times.

4:38 p.m. ET: Jackson family attorney Brian Panish has continued working his way through the jury verdict form, addressing question #3: “Did AEG Live know or should it have known that Dr. Conrad Murray was unfit or incompetent and that this unfitness or incompetence created a particular risk to others?”

4:36 p.m. ET: Court is now in session.

4:32 p.m. ET: Closing arguments should begin again any minute now.

2:59 p.m. ET: The judge has recessed the court for lunch. Closing arguments will resume at 4:30 p.m. ET.

2:57 p.m. ET: “It’s not a stretch that he was unfit and incompetent — come on,” Panish said, in reference to Murray.

2:55 p.m. ET: A detective working for the LAPD was easily able to determine Murray was financially “a mess,” which was a motivation for what he did, according to Panish.

2:52 p.m. ET: Conrad Murray asking for $5 million to go on tour was a red flag showing he was “unfit, incompetent and outrageous,” according to Panish.

2:50 p.m. ET: Panish says AEG Live wanted complete control over Murray and that some people do things they normally wouldn’t do because of a need for money.

2:47 p.m. ET: Video being played in court shows AEG executive Paul Gongaware being asked about the e-mail he sent (mentioned in previous entry). He says he doesn’t member sending it or what it means. “We weren’t paying his salary,” Gongaware said. He then says he doesn’t know whose salary he’s even talking about.

“It would be funny, but for somebody who has lost his life… I don’t think it’s funny,” Panish said.

2:42 p.m. ET: Panish shows this e-mail to the jury, sent between AEG execs: “We want to remind him that it is AEG, not MJ who is paying his salary.”

2:40 p.m. ET: Panish says Murray swore to do no harm but did it anyway: “Why did he do it? For the money.”

2:39 p.m. ET: “Was Dr. Murray swayed by the conflict of the money vs. the patient?” asked Panish.

2:36 p.m. ET: Murray had two obligations: One to the entity paying him money (AEG) and one to his patient (Jackson), according to Panish.

2:27 p.m. ET: Panish moves on to the second question on the verdict form: “Was Dr. Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?” Panish says it’s obvious Murray is unfit and incompetent because he killed the King of Pop and wasn’t trained to treat insomnia.

2:22 p.m. ET: Panish says Murray was included on AEG Live budgets.

2:19 p.m. ET: Why would AEG let Murray have control over Jackson’s rehearsal schedule if he wasn’t hired by them, asks Panish.

2:13 p.m. ET: Panish is showing e-mails between AEG Live and Murray that he says prove they had a contract.

2:04 p.m. ET: Panish is still going over the first jury question: “Did AEG Live hire Dr. Conrad Murray?” He says a contract can be written or oral, partially written or partially oral and that oral contracts are just as valid as written contracts.

1:58 p.m. ET: On the issue of whether AEG Live hired Dr. Murray, Panish says the evidence overwhelming shows that they did.

1:55 p.m. ET: “If the scale [of justice] tips ever so slightly, we have met the burden of proof,” said Panish, who must show AEG Live negligently hired, supervised or retained Dr. Murray.

1:53 p.m. ET: Panish is walking jurors through what needs to be proven in this case and who has the burden of proof.

1:51 p.m. ET: Dr. Murray broke his Hippocratic oath and AEG Live is responsible, according to Panish.

1:47 p.m. ET: An AEG exec had to throw Jackson in a shower and slap him before the press conference that announced his “This Is It” tour, according to Panish. Executives exchanged e-mails after saying, “We can’t back off now, it would be a disaster for the company.”

1:45 p.m. ET: Panish says AEG wanted Jackson to perform so badly “they would do whatever it took to get him on stage and they told that to Dr. Murray.”

1:42 p.m. ET: “He had abused prescription medications during times of pain, anxiety, stress,” said Panish.

1:39 p.m. ET: “The whole world stopped when the King of Pop died and everyone grieved,” said Panish.

1:37 p.m. ET: Panish says Michael Jackson “danced, walked, moon walked on this earth for nearly 50 years… someone like that only comes around every so often. We may never see the likes of Michael Jackson ever again… That gift came at a huge price.”

1:34 p.m. ET: Jackson family attorney Brian Panish begins his closing argument by thanking the jury for its service. Jurors have been listening to this case for five months.

1:24 p.m. ET: Katherine Jackson and daughter Rebbie have entered the courtroom. Grandchildren Taj and TJ Jackson (the sons of Tito) are now sitting with their grandmother.

* * *

Jackson family is seeking $290 million in personal damages from AEG

For the first time, the family’s attorneys put a dollar figure on what they want for the singer’s death. That doesn’t include economic damages of as much as $1.6 billion.

Jackson trialBrian Panish, attorney for Michael Jackson’s family, delivers his closing argument to jurors in a packed courtroom in downtown Los Angeles. (AL Seib / Los Angeles Times / September 24, 2013)

By Jeff Gottlieb

September 24, 2013, 8:45 p.m.

An attorney for Michael Jackson’s family told jurors Tuesday that concert promoter AEG Live hired the doctor who administered the fatal dose of an anesthetic and that the company now should pay for the singer’s death.

Brian Panish told jurors that AEG should have to pay non-economic or personal damages of $85 million to each of Jackson’s three children and $35 million to his mother.

The AEG lawyers are smirking and laughing.

The AEG lawyers are smirking and laughing.

This marked the first time in the nearly five-month-long trial that the Jacksons have placed a dollar figure on damages they are seeking from the entertainment company.

Those figures could be dwarfed by the economic damages, however. Panish told jurors they would have to sort that out, but he showed them a slide that reminded the panel that an expert witness testified the singer would have earned $1.2 billion to $1.6 billion if he had lived, from new music, tours, endorsements and a Las Vegas show.

“We’re not looking for sympathy,” Panish said. “We’re looking for justice, full and complete.”

Panish, speaking in a much more low-keyed manner than when he took testimony, quoted Abraham Lincoln and the Book of Exodus during his daylong closing argument.

He also went straight at the question of Jackson’s culpability in his death. “It’s about shared responsibility,” he said. “Michael probably has some fault…. I’m not going to deny that Michael used prescription drugs and that people told him it’s risky to use propofol.”

But he said that if Dr. Conrad Murray, who gave Jackson the anesthetic for 60 days to fight his insomnia, had not been hired by AEG, Jackson would still be alive.

“No Murray, no AEG, no propofol, Michael’s still here,” he said.

Who are the guys the camera constantly focus on?

Who are the guys the camera constantly focus on?

The Jacksons have sued AEG for Jackson’s death, saying the entertainment firm negligently hired and supervised Murray. AEG maintains that the doctor worked for Jackson and any money the firm was supposed to pay the doctor was an advance to the singer.

AEG attorneys are set to make closing arguments Wednesday, and the case could be in the jury’s hands by the end of the week.

Throughout the day, Panish showed jurors the emails that are perhaps the Jacksons’ strongest evidence that AEG hired Murray.

One from AEG executive Paul Gongaware talked about an upcoming meeting with Murray. “We want to remind him that it is AEG, not MJ who is paying his salary,” Gongaware wrote. “We want him to understand what is expected of him.”

Panish used the faulty memories of Gongaware, AEG Live Chief Executive Randy Phillips and Tim Leiweke, then chief executive of parent company Anschutz Entertainment Group, to his advantage.

Panish put up a rapid fire video showing the three men testifying during their depositions using a variation of “I don’t know” or “I can’t remember” as many as 30 times each.

“They made a legal strategy not to remember anything when they testified under oath,” Panish told jurors. “They’re not credible or worthy of belief.”

Panish also showed a television interview in which Phillips talked about Murray.

“The guy’s willing to leave his practice for a very large sum of money, so we hired him,” Phillips said.

“It’s real simple,” Panish said. “He’s the CEO of the company, as high as it gets. He admitted it.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-0925-jackson-death-20130925,0,6923666.story

…. After pointing out that AEG put Dr. Conrad Murray in charge of Jackson’s rehearsal schedule, attorney Brian Panish said, “Why would a doctor you haven’t hired be responsible for someone working for you to go to practice or rehearsal? Why? Because you hired him, that’s why.”Panish tried to educate jurors, explaining that unlike in a criminal trial they needed only to find that their claims were more likely true than not for them to find in favor of Michael Jackson’s mother and three children.
Panish explained that Murray did not need a written agreement to have a valid contract, that an oral agreement was just as good.

Michael Jackson jury told to be conscience of community

AP/ September 24, 2013, 9:20 PM

A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family asked a jury on Tuesday to act as the conscience of the community and award damages for the loss of the pop star’s life.

Attorney Brian Panish delivered his closing argument in a packed courtroom, explaining why jurors should believe that concert promoter AEG Live LLC was negligent for hiring the doctor whose actions led to Jackson’s death.

Panish played videotapes of testimony from the 21-week civil trial and said it’s clear that AEG hired Dr. Conrad Murray, even though the contract with him may have been more oral than written.

AEG Live is accused of failing to investigate Murray’s background because the company was anxious to launch lucrative concerts.

Murray was convicted in 2011 of giving Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol as he tried to sleep during preparations for his “This Is It” concerts in London.

Some witnesses said Jackson was ailing at the time.The promoter claims it was Jackson who insisted that Murray treat him because the former cardiologist was giving him propofol as a sleep aid.

AEG Live drafted a contract for Murray’s services, according to testimony, but it was never signed by anyone except Murray before Jackson died.

The lawyers who brought the suit on behalf of Katherine Jackson and the superstar’s children were allotted four hours on Tuesday for their initial presentation.

Attorneys for AEG will speak on Wednesday, also for four hours.

The plaintiffs, who have the burden of proof, get to speak a second time. In that grand finale, probably on Thursday, they are likely to tell jurors how much money the Jacksons are seeking for the loss of the superstar.

They are expected to ask for more than $1 billion, citing testimony of experts who said Jackson had a long lucrative career ahead of him when he died at the age of 50.

The judge moved the proceedings from her tiny courtroom to a larger courtroom to accommodate media, spectators, lawyers and Jackson fans who line up daily for a lottery to win seats in the courtroom.

The fans huddle and discuss the case in the hallway and wait to see Katherine Jackson enter the courtroom. Some wear T-shirts emblazoned with her picture and messages of support.

On Monday, Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos gave the jury legal instructions. Everyone has biases, she said, but they must not be swayed by prejudice, sympathy or public opinion while deliberating. They also were told how to evaluate evidence and witnesses.

Mr.Panish said he apppreciated the jurors' attention and thanked them

Mr.Panish said he apppreciated the jurors’ attention and thanked them

If the jury finds that damages should be assessed, the judge said they must not consider such issues as the grief endured by the Jackson family or the wealth of both sides in the bitterly fought case.

The instructions lasted about 30 minutes, a relatively short time because there is really just one central issue in the case: Who hired Murray? Was it AEG Live or Michael Jackson?

A unanimous verdict is not required. Only nine of the 12 jurors must agree.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57604355/michael-jackson-jury-told-to-be-conscience-of-community/

HLN has a poll going :

Is AEG responsible for Michael Jackson’s death?

2:03 PM EDT, Tue September 24, 2013

74% Yes

26% No

Here is a video excerpt of  Mr. Panish’s closing arguments:

Oh, TeamMichaelJackson have already obtained the transcript too!

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/9837

 

32 Comments leave one →
  1. September 30, 2013 1:01 pm

    mjsmelly I agree.There is something that has puzzled me.How come Murray ended up being broke. There were no malpractice stains on his record. And I totally disagree with Randy Phillips view that he was a successful doctor, And the more he spent time with him the higher his regard for him! HA!.He was a a very ignorant doctor and had no ethics.Maybe there were not that many patients who liked him afterall.You can not judge a doctors skill by his wealth,but a doctor should be able to earn enough for a reasonably comfortable living.
    Who id paying for thr insrtument and all those kidsvhere&there now ?

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  2. September 30, 2013 12:13 pm

    “MJ” WAS MURDERED..CONRAD MURRAY, AEG THESE PPL SHOULD B THROWN INFRONT OF LION..

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  3. September 29, 2013 7:33 am

    Guys, now that I am reading part 1 of Mr.Panish’s closing arguments I realize that his version of the events has not even scratched the surface of what really happened to Michael – his story is just a very rough outline of the events, a very rough one.

    Of course Mr. Panish is an attorney and not an investigator and these are different skills. And during the time he had during the trial there was no opportunity to pick up all the loose ends and bring them together, so a lot has been omitted.

    But for us it means that after the verdict – whatever it is – we will have to read all the transcripts and start it all over again, trying to restore the events the way they really were.

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  4. September 29, 2013 2:36 am

    And here is one more article, about Mr. Panish’s closing arguments on September 24:

    Jackson family lawyer’s cinematic final argument

    In his closing arguments, a lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family asked a jury to act as the conscience of the community and award damages for the loss of the pop star’s life.

    LOS ANGELES — The long-running trial of Katherine Jackson vs. AEG Live LLC took a cinematic turn during closing arguments as a lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family escorted jurors on a Hollywood-style tour of the superstar’s life through the magic of video.

    It was a challenging act for the AEG lawyers to follow when they speak on Wednesday.

    There were two shows, so to speak, on Tuesday during the closing argument of Brian Panish, Mrs. Jackson’s lead counsel. The first was a dazzling overview of Jackson’s life and artistic triumphs, from humble beginnings in Gary, Ind., and the days of the Jackson 5 to arena shows before thousands in many countries where fans screamed approval and Jackson moonwalked his way into pop culture history.

    “That is the best evidence that Michael Jackson would have sold tickets,” Panish said about the earning power of the pop star who was to have launched concerts in London when his life was cut short.

    The video ended with the mournful Jackson song “Gone Too Soon” and Jackson’s voice saying, “I love you.”

    Panish spoke of the anguish of Michael’s children, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson, over the loss of their father. He was warned by Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos that jurors were not to be swayed by sympathy in reaching their verdict.

    “We’re not looking for sympathy,” Panish said. “We’re looking for justice, not partial, but complete justice.”

    After a break, he played a second video showing heart-wrenching home movies of Jackson and his children with poems and tributes by the superstar to his mother. With Jackson’s music playing, jurors saw the children celebrating birthdays and visiting exotic animals at his Neverland estate which was their home. The idyllic scenes ended with Paris’ moving, tearful tribute to her father at his memorial in June 2009, after he died at the age of 50 of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.

    Some of the fans who crowded the courtroom rushed out in tears at the video’s conclusion.

    Michael Jackson closing arguments: Jackson family lawyer Brian Panish asked a Los Angeles jury to act as the conscience of the community and award damages for the loss of the pop star’s life.AP Photo: Los Angeles Times, Al Seib, POOL
    Jackson family lawyer Brian Panish asked a Los Angeles jury to act as the conscience of the community and award damages for the loss of the pop star’s life.
    The emotional videos contrasted sharply with Panish’s earlier remarks, portraying AEG executives and Dr. Conrad Murray as mercenaries who sacrificed the pop star’s life in a quest to boost their own fortunes.

    He said a $150,000-a-month contract to care for Jackson on tour was a lifeline to help Murray climb out of his financial troubles, and he blamed AEG executives for failing to realize Murray was unfit for the job.

    A key issue in the negligence suit is whether AEG Live or Michael Jackson hired Murray.

    For the first time, Panish put a dollar value on alleged damages, suggesting that jurors award $290 million to Katherine Jackson and the singer’s children for non-economic damages such as the loss of love and comfort. He said $35 million for Katherine and $85 million for each child was appropriate, given their life expectancy.

    He gave no specific figure for possible economic damages, urging jurors to make their own decision while reminding them that expert witnesses said Michael Jackson could have earned more than $1 billion had he lived longer.

    He said Murray’s willingness to close his medical offices to take the job should have raised a red flag if AEG Live had investigated the cardiologist.

    “Obviously, he was incompetent and unfit,” Panish said. “He caused the death of Michael Jackson.”

    Murray was convicted in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter after giving Jackson an overdose of propofol as he tried to sleep during preparations for his “This Is It” concerts in London. The drug is not meant to be used outside operating rooms.

    Jackson’s mother, Katherine, her daughter Rebbie and nephews Taj and TJ sat in a front row of the courtroom.

    The plaintiffs have the opportunity to speak again, and the case is expected to go to the jury Thursday.

    A unanimous verdict is not required. Only nine of the 12 jurors must agree.
    http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/jackson-family-lawyers-cinematic-final-argument?stay=1

    [no opportunity to comment]

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  5. September 27, 2013 2:48 pm

    “If the patient is stable you can leave him/her for a minute or even 2, let another anesthetist keep an eye on him/her. Besides I am 100% sure those 2 minutes Murray mentioned are lies.” – Kaarin

    Of course these 2 minutes are lies. Judging by Murray’s non-stop telephone calls in the morning of June 25th when he was attending to the insurance he stayed away from Michael for no less than 30-45 minutes.

    As regards anesthesiologists Dr. Shaffer said that they never leave the side of their patient during the procedure. In fact during my operation I remember two anesthetists and one nurse anesthetist by my side – altogether three of them.

    It is impossible even to imagine that a man like Michael Jackson received the worst possible medical care even in comparison with us, ordinary people. And this is the man who gave to hospitals all over the world a piece of medical equipment in every city he arrived to give a concert there! And wanted to build the best hospital for children with the money he was to get from his This is it tour!

    There is so much injustice in all this…

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  6. September 27, 2013 2:09 pm

    And btw I suspect AEG has much to do with the negativity against Michael which seems to have incresed reading some newspapers and reports on HLN..Certainly they dont lack in devious methods.-It is terrible that Michael was left to die when so many, even AEG employees practically cried to the heavens over Michael poor health, and many did so somewhat hesitatingly fearing the future of their own careers.
    AEG still playing deaf, dumb and blind.

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  7. September 27, 2013 1:54 pm

    Helena, when you have a patient “under” ie unconscious you stand or sit next to the patient and monitor pulse,breathing,bloodpressure and now and then check for pupillary reactions.This is done whether the patient is given propofol or an other anestetic.I have done an internship in anestesiology, though not chosen that for my specialty.If the patient is stable you can leave him/her for a minute or even 2, let another anesthetist keep an eye on him/her.Please check Lopsided man’s report on Murrays activities on the morning of 6/25.Much of this can now be done by electronic monitoring,but still you do not leave the patient.Besides I am 100% sure those 2 minutes Murray mentioned are lies.

    -It constantly irritatates me when Randy Phillips praises Murray;,because he was licenced in several states and was a successful doctor.His economy was in shambles, well that can happen to good doctors too. You don´t measure success by money. But a million or more and his house to be forclosed?!
    And RPs respect grew the more he got to know Murray.RPs words. did they talk medicine?.

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  8. Phillip permalink
    September 26, 2013 9:51 pm

    Here is the truth on the Katherine Jackson – AEG trial. Search this title on Google:

    Michael Jackson Case Could Hinge on E-Mail.

    The direct link is here also, but may or may not transfer to some browsers properly:

    http://voices.yahoo.com/michael-jackson-case-could-hinge-email-12309266.html?cat=17

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  9. September 26, 2013 4:54 am

    “The extreme psychological symptoms that were described were the result of prolonged propofol administration which deprived him of life sustaining REM-sleep.” – Kaarin

    In connection with what I’ve just said in this comment https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/jacksons-vs-aeg-trial-marvin-putnams-closing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-51367 let me say that even MJ’s physiological functions suffered not so much due to propofol (which created only the illusion of REM sleep), but due to the lack of this REM sleep per se – with or without propofol.

    Propofol simply masked the lack of sleep, but even if propofol had not been used the absence of sleep would have produced the same ruinous result.

    The key to this problem is lying in the answer to a question why Michael could not sleep.

    Dr.Metzger said that MJ could sleep with a conventional medicine for insomnia (Tyledol if I remember it right), and got adequate amount of sleep in January- February-March. However the problem started in April when MJ began asking about propofol for the first time and Murray began buying it.

    Why in April?

    Because in March something happened that brought about MJ’s terrible stress which in its turn deprived him of his sleep.

    And you know the answer to it – it is 50 shows set by AEG without any regard for Michael’s wishes and for his very specific problem of insomnia.

    Due to the schedule they set for him he could not keep to the dates in a natural way because he needed more than one day for recuperation. And this time he didn’t have and therefore was forced by AEG’s schedule to seek unconventional ways of solving his problem.

    The most terrible thing here is that Gongaware perfectly knew of MJ’s insomnia from his past experience with him and MJ specifically asked AEG to change the schedule but they never did.

    It is true that AEG may not have known that MJ would resolve to propofol, but it does not change anything as they knew perfectly well that with propofol or without he would not have been able to keep to the schedule anyway. There would have been cancellations, postponements of shows and it would have sent MJ into an endless chain of claims from AEG, and these claims of “losses” would have kept MJ as AEG’s hostage forever.

    This is most probably the big idea of it from the very start of it – place him in impossible conditions, make him break the schedule, challenge him with their mounting “losses” due to re-scheduling the shows and this way never set Michael free for years to come.

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  10. September 26, 2013 3:53 am

    “Murray exchanged texts with the representative for the insurance company the morning that Michael died.” – kaarin

    Kaarin, I may have missed something but it seems to me that Mr. Panish did not talk about Murray required by his contract with AEG to perform services for the Producer and actually doing it during the time of MJ’s death.

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  11. September 26, 2013 3:48 am

    “Since when is testimony of defendants regarded as evidence to prove a case?” – Susanne

    Susanne, it is since the time when Tom Sneddon’s arguments as Prosecutor began to be repeated by many as the only truth of the matter despite the overwhelming evidence refuting them and despite the jury’s not guilty verdict.

    If the media and general public still believe Sneddon’s lies brushing aside all the real evidence of MJ’s innocence presented at the 2005 trial, then it is quite possible for the same false mantras to take the upper hand now too.

    Who needs the real evidence in a situation when all sorts of lies are repeatedly crammed into people’s heads?

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  12. September 26, 2013 2:08 am

    “Hope you’re feeling better” -Lopsided man

    I’m now home but a spike in my left arm started to move to the surface and before letting me go they “hammered” it back so I had quite a day yesterday. Fortunately there was a painkiller at hand. Each new experience like that helps me understand Michael much better.

    But my major concern is not that, but the degree of maturity of the jury and whether they will be able to see through AEG’s lies and twisted logic. The jurors’ deliberations will be quite a test for their ability to see bitter truth behind the bright facade of lies painted for them by Marvin Putnam.

    Yesterday he was hypnotizing the jury with the AEG usual mantra that “like all adults he was hundred per cent responsible for his own health”. The mantra has been repeated by AEG’s advocates all over the internet for months now.

    But even taken as it is this formula is totally wrong because the responsibility for another person’s health also obviously lies with 1) doctors 2) bosses who should not be exploiting the person dependent on them bad enough to take him to his grave and 3) the degree of indifference of people around this person. If no one gives a helping hand to a dying man though they are able to help their guilt is also immense.

    The fallacy of the AEG mantra is best seen if we add only a couple of words to it: “like all adults he was hundred per cent responsible for his own health” even when kept a hostage.

    Mr.Panish’s job was to show that the conditions Michael was functioning in were indeed those of someone kept a hostage in terms of humiliation, harassment and exploitation of MJ. I’m afraid that up till now he has not explored this matter deep enough.

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  13. Lopsided man permalink
    September 25, 2013 5:14 pm

    Hi Helena. Hope you’re feeling better.🙂

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  14. September 25, 2013 3:13 pm

    Jolie, I read them, too. CT’s tweets were enough for me. I couldn’t overcome myself to listen to Putnam all the time, but from the parts I saw he always was only reading from a script making endless boring statements without presenting evidence. As CT also said, he only used testimony of AEG witnesses as “overwhelming evidence”. And in addition, he wants the jury to disregard damning emails and statements of AEG executives. What does he expect of the jury – to be total fools? Since when is testimony of defendants regarded as evidence to prove a case?

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  15. jolie permalink
    September 25, 2013 2:45 pm

    Interesting tweets today (on Putnam’s closing arguments) by Charles Thompson and Karen Faye.

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  16. September 25, 2013 9:59 am

    Murray exchanged texts with the representative for the insurance company the morning that Michael died. This situation was absurd. Loopsided man made a good calculation of all murray phonecalls and texts that morning.

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  17. September 25, 2013 9:51 am

    I believe that in the end-game AEG did not care whether Michael lived or died. And don´t tell me they did not know that Michaels physical as well as psychological condition got worse and worse.The extreme psychological symptoms that were described were the result of prolonged propofol administration which deprived him of life sustaining REM-sleep. And what made them think a cardiologist was THE doctor for Michael?.There was nothing wrong with Michael´s heart. I recall he had lost his certification for that too already. And late in the game AEG even put forward the idea of insurance for death..
    They had arraged it so that their, AEG´s income was secured in any case. Or so they thought
    Murray is a particularly bad doctor.I wil not now go into details why.No doubt he had a measure of psychopathic charm,must ahave to have so many out of wedlock children.I will never forget that Dr. Shafer did not charge for his testimony as he felt the whole reputation of medicine was at stake because of Murray.Somebody has said don´t listen to whats said .look were the feet, ie, the actions go.Murray became a very convinient tool for the purposes of AEG.Very obidient too,exchanging calls and texts with the insured when Michael was already dying.

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  18. Nan permalink
    September 25, 2013 7:55 am

    I hope Putnam is equally offensive in his closing statement today ..The arrogance of these corporate lawyers, Im sure isnt lost on the jurors…Just makes people lean more to the the plaintiffs, and the respectful manner of Prince testimony , and the way he treated the defense lawyers also in the courtroom..all class

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  19. Nan permalink
    September 25, 2013 7:53 am

    watched what i could yesterday, but missed thr part about the ending., discussing the financial stuff..
    .I think the lawyers for the AEGshould have read or watched some of Tom Mesereau seminars regarding juries because I was disgusted watching Putnam and company smirking thoughout Pannish closing statement and Im sure Pannish was happy to see them behaving that way.
    Mesereau said he was always amazed when a corporate personality picks a lawyer they are comfortable with , instead of one the jurors might be comfortable with and these people fit that description to a tee.
    To show such a lack of respect for the deceased and his three children seems like suicide to me..They think smirking about the person who their clients thought could make them billions, it is just plain stupid, but a common mistake according to Mesereau, thinking they are playing to fellow high priced corporate lawyers..
    The way to diminish MJ would be with a respectful demeanor and FACTS..
    These people have nothing to give the jury..Instead they are showing the same contempt , that AEG treated the deceased with …very very stupid,..I think it is going to cost them big

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  20. September 25, 2013 2:19 am

    “Michael Jackson was MURDERED! Educate yourself and Seek the TRUTH at: http://www.teammichaeljackson.com” -TruthforMichael

    TruthforMichael, everything done to Michael indeed amounts to a murder. Most of his life he lived in harassment and died of harassment too. As to the details of all of it we will hopefully find out everything one day.

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  21. September 25, 2013 1:33 am

    “Tweeted links to them for 2 of Charles’ articles.’ – Dialdancer

    Dial, thank you. Charles sent a couple of tweets about Ms. Stebbins Bina’s despicable behavior during Mr.Panish’s closing arguments. I gather that this is the usual way the AEG lawyers behaved in the courtroom for the past 5 months, only we never saw it until they placed a camera in the room:

    Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 38m
    @andjustice4some It is an absolute disgrace. She is overtly laughing. Not just smiling. Actually laughing. Appalling conduct.

    Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 38m
    AEG’s female lawyer *still* overtly smirking and laughing throughout the Jacksons’ closing argument. Absolutely outrageous and disgusting.

    [quoted by http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/showthread.php?42188-AEG-Trial-Week-22-September-23-27/page4 which also posts most of the latest news]

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  22. jolie permalink
    September 24, 2013 8:11 pm

    I apologize. Clarification:

    abc7courts will take you to twitter page – which has the live stream link. No commentary.

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  23. jolie permalink
    September 24, 2013 8:06 pm

    Fyi everyone –

    Google:

    abc7courts

    there was no commentary for live stream for closing arguments today.

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  24. TruthforMichael permalink
    September 24, 2013 7:57 pm

    Michael Jackson was MURDERED! Educate yourself and Seek the TRUTH at:

    http://www.teammichaeljackson.com

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  25. September 24, 2013 6:44 pm

    Saw HLN tweet about their blog “Who is responsible for MJ’s death?” Tweeted links to them for 2 of Charles’ articles.

    “One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html

    “Michael Jackson: It’s Time For Outlets to Take Responsibility in Covering the Rock Star”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/michael-jackson-its-time_b_482176.html?

    These people know they partied and fiddled with Michael while trying to burn down his Rome. They know they have responsibility in inhumane treatment and overt harassment of Michael whether admit it or not.

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  26. September 24, 2013 6:17 pm

    “HLN WANTS to spread disinformation and hatred. I am unable to comment there because they kicked me off….” – Julie

    No surprises here.

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  27. Sina permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:43 pm

    I didnt have the guts to watch , couldnt stand any more horrendous comments.
    Maybe I ll watch it tomorrow , today I feel emotionally drained.
    Praying for wisdom for the jury to make the right decision.

    Helena you are a- ma- zing. !

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  28. September 24, 2013 5:24 pm

    Helena, I am so sorry that you are hospitalized. I hope you will get well and leave soon.

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  29. September 24, 2013 5:23 pm

    HLN is biased and has always allowed the idiotic, idnorant, and hateful full reign to comment on their boards. Notice how they all say the same thing? HLN WANTS to spread disinformation and hatred. I am unable to comment there because they kicked me off….

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  30. September 24, 2013 5:20 pm

    Yes, Susanne, I am still in hospital and it is past 2am here but cannot take my eyes off the screen. It is such a surprise.

    But it is also a surprise that Michael’s haters who think all this is a waste of time are also glued to the screen and are pouring tons of dirt on MJ on that HLN website. One would assume that they would not give a damn…

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  31. September 24, 2013 5:11 pm

    Oh, I see you have a screenshot of the timeline I meant.
    I should go to bed, it’s past midnight, but I can’t.

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  32. September 24, 2013 5:06 pm

    Wow, I’m impressed about your fast post, Helena. Are you still doing it from the hospital?
    I’m really excited about this life stream, I didn’t expect it. And you know what? I really would like to have all these charts Panish has on the screen. Some of them are really great. There was a big one about Michael’s whole life and his diseases and accidents and how everything is connected. I hope we can see it again in a YT video or somewhere.

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