JIMMIE SAFECHUCK’S whining lamentations and RADAR ONLINE’S own twist of the lies
While Helena is preparing her next post, let me give you in short some information about the latest court declaration of Jimmie Safechuck which was presented in a Radar Online article that already made the rounds among MJ fans.
Actually Jimmie Safechuck’s declarations are just a copy of Wade Robson’s allegations, but I still want to point to a few things that became apparent to me at first sight – and this especially because our beloved trash tabloid Radar Online does a special job in this whole story and adds its own spin to the sinister lies of Robson and Safechuck, about which we cannot keep silent.
Whoever wants to take a personal look at Safechuck’s “supplemental declaration” filed on March 18, 2015, and what Radar Online wrote about it, here and here are the links.
For those who don’t want to go on their site – which I fully understand – I made screenshots of the points in question.
The article of Radar Online quotes a few parts of Jimmie Safechuck’s declaration and the authors obviously believe this is enough for the readers to form their opinion so they won’t see the necessity to read the declaration itself. But they forgot Michael’s advocates, and so we found out immediately that the article contains a big, fat lie that could not even be found in Safechuck’s declaration. The impertinence and malicious intent of it struck me instantly. However, I even waited a couple of days to see if they would correct it because it could have been an error – but no!
In the lower part of the article we find this paragraph:
Jackson “became very angry and began to overtly threaten me” when he refused to testify on his behalf during the criminal trial, Safechuck claims. He even got a call from the singer’s mother, Katherine Jackson, “asking if something had happened between” him and her son, he says. “I told her I was OK and never answered her question.”
I doubted this at once, and then I read Safechuck’s declaration where he says in point 15:
“Shortly after that call with the DECEDENT, my mother began to call me asking if something had happened between me and DECEDENT. I told her I was OK and never answered her question.”
Nowhere in the whole declaration Safechuck says that Katherine Jackson had called him, he was only talking about his own mother calling him and asking him this question – but Radar Online twisted the whole statement into something different: The manipulation was done with the clear intention to imply to the readers that Michael Jackson’s mother doubted her own son! And this is something Michael’s opponents try to imply time and again, it was also attempted by AEG’s lawyers in the AEG trial when Katherine Jackson had to testify.
The whole article with the salacious headline is written in the typical Radar Online style we know now since the case started. How Radar Online may be involved in the coverage of it you can read here.
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I have a few further thoughts on some points in Safechuck’s declaration that came to my mind and raised a few questions immediately, and I just post them as some food for thought.
Point 3:
“He continually brainwashed and drilled into me that what he was doing to me was “love” and that I should deny that anything he had done to me ever happened. I was a child – I believed and worshipped him, and I had no reason to think he wasn’t telling me the truth or that what he was doing to me was wrong.”
I repeat what I said before in a post: Who do they think will believe this? Do they really think anyone can believe that a child does not recognize love opposed to humiliating, painful acts and would mix them up by brainwash? He had “no reason to think he wasn’t telling me the truth or that what he was doing to me was wrong”? No reason?? So the kind of sexual acts that are described elsewhere in the court documents are no reason to think that this was wrong? – Acts that must be horrible for a child, not only psychologically, but also physically injuring, and cannot be taken for “love”? – Well, he only has no reason when nothing happened and that was exactly the case! Ask real victims how they feel about such kind of acts.
Point 18:
“Towards the end of the trial [2005], the DECEDENT called me again to ask if I would meet him in person to talk. DECEDENT immediately launched into what seemed to be a rehearsed speech, as if the call were being recorded. I was afraid that was a possibility, because I knew from the past that DECEDENT recorded phone calls on a regular basis.”
What sense does that make? Why should Michael record a phone conversation in which he pressures a potential victim or witness to testify in his favor? Wouldn’t you do that in secret without keeping an evidence of it which could end up in the wrong hands?
In point 20 Safechuck says:
“I knew the DECEDENT would never be found guilty – he was a superstar and above the law.”
This is contrary to the whole public and the media who were absolutely sure that MJ would be convicted.
Altogether point 20 doesn’t reflect reality at all:
“I saw what happened to Gavin and his family – how they were discredited by the DECEDENT and his lawyers and how they had become pariahs in the media. Because of the DECEDENT and his power and influence, I was trapped, and could never say or do anything.”
This is a very ridiculous statement, as the only one who became a pariah in the media was Michael Jackson who had lost all power and influence at the time of the trial in 2005. It was the best time ever for Safechuck to come out with his accusations because nobody in the general society and the media believed in MJ’s innocence and Safechuck would have been welcomed as a witness against MJ by everybody. So where is the trap?
In addition this is an attack on Tom Mesereau and Susan Yu when they say that MJ’s lawyers “discredited” the Arvizos. I wonder if we will hear a reaction from Tom Mesereau to this.
Point 22 includes this interesting sentence:
“When I found out [about MJ’s death], I felt sad because I realized I would never have the opportunity for a normal relationship with him.”
My first thought: How crazy is that? – A true victim wouldn’t regret any destroyed relationship and wouldn’t be “sad” that “a normal relationship” is no longer possible. Either he would be happy about his predator’s death or he would be furious that his predator never was convicted for his deeds as long as he lived, and that’s all.
The whole declaration is full of lamentations about MJ’s popularity and worldwide adoration, his wealth and his millions of fans, and “even in death he remains a powerful figure in history”.
This contributes to the impression we have since this case started: That this is a major aspect (of anger) to the accusers and they do everything to damage Michael’s place in history and the success of his Estate.
Safechuck presents himself in this declaration as a helpless baby or an imbecile, like a mentally retarded person with whom a predator can do everything because his brain is not able to learn the simplest things, even not as a teenager and adult.
There are certainly more points in the declaration that have to be examined and can be refuted, but I leave that for a later consideration.
The document says that the next hearing date in this case is July 21, 2015, 8:30 a.m., which is after the 10th anniversary of Michael’s acquittal.
So let’s be sure to celebrate the acquittal in adequate form in June before we continue to deal with this rubbish.
I wish Helena a good recovery from her recent surgery on her arm and hope we will soon read her next post.
Absolutely true.
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All these allegations are really horrible….my heart reaches out to his family and i want his children to know that dey have absolutely no reason to doubt their father’s innocence….it just showed in everytin he did dat he had a pure nd innocent heart. A ped-le (i reli hate dat word) wouldn’t openly admit dat he loved children….period. Micheal had a pure heart….nd he didnt stop loving children even after all the lies….he really believed children cud make a better tmoro..and he neva stopped believing that…he saw d world in a simple way….thru a child’s eyes. The media is really full of garbage…lets not forget that the media are actually just plain hungry people hidin behind dat name, lookin for various ways of survival,and also have a right to their own sick and twisted opinions(which is very sad)…well that is their own opinion and u also have a right to ur own, do not let dose sick people take away dat right from u, cos when it is taken,pple become dummies who let other people think for them. Michael had a big heart that cud fit in the whole world. And to safechuck, it’s really unfortunate dat he could take a valued friendship and use it as a source of dailybread out of desperation…i mean….i really wish i was michael’s casual friend not to talk of being as close to him as liz taylor was…he was such a lovable person…sometimes i just try to imagine wat his life as a child must have bin like, i av these little cousins,5 to 10 years olds. They are so whiny and childish, and den i think ‘michael had to sing/work at that tender age, he had no chance to be whiny and childish’ then it breaks my heart. Rest in perfect peace michael,i wont stop lovin u.
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All these allegations are really horrible….my heart reaches out to his family and i want his children to know that dey have absolutely no reason to doubt their father’s innocence….it just showed in everytin he did dat he had a pure nd innocent heart. A ped-le (i reli hate dat word) wouldn’t openly admit d he loved children….period. Micheal had a pure heart….nd he didnt stop loving children even after all the lies….he really believed children cud make a better tmoro..and he neva stopped believing…he saw d world in a simple way….thru a child’s eyes. The media is really full of garbage…lets not forget that the media are actually just plain hungry people hidin behind dat name, lookin for various ways of survival,and also have a right to their own sick and twisted opinions(which is very sad)…well that is their own opinion and u also have a right to ur own, do not let dose sick people take away dat right from u, cos when it is taken,pple become dummies who let other people think for them. Michael had a big heart that cud fit in the whole world.
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More about Michael’s reading habits and interests:
Full story here: http://blog.al.com/entertainment-press-register/2009/08/southern_bound_the_reader_a_qu.html
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A sample of books Michael Jackson had in his library:
BLACK HISTORY
Malcolm X, by Alex Haley
The Negro Caravan, by Sterling A. Brown
Black Heroes of The 20th Century, by Jessie Carney Smith
Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America, by James Allen
Black in America, by Eli Reed
King: A Photobiography of Martin Luther King Jnr, by Charles Johnson, Bob Adelman
In Praise of Black Women, Volume 1: Ancient African Queens, by Simone Schwarz-Bart
The Face of Our Past: Images of Black Women from Colonial America to the Present, by Kathleen Thompson and Hilary MacAustin
Before the Mayflower, by Lerone Bennet Jr
How To Eat To Live, by Elijah Muhammad
The White Problem in America, by JET magazine authors
Reflections in Black, by Deborah Willis
FICTION
Peter Pan, by J.M Barrie
Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach
To Kill A Mockingbird, by Harper Lee
The Old Man And The Sea, by Ernest Hemingway
Rip Van Winkle, by Washington Irving
The Verger, by Somerset Maugham
The Complete Works of O. Henry
The Reluctant Dragon by Kenneth Grahame
The Red Balloon, by Albert Lamorisse
They Cage the Animals at Night, by Jennings Michael Burch
The Giving Tree, by Shel Silverstein
Complete Writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson
Complete Stories and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe, by Edgar Allan Poe
SPIRITUAL/BUSINESS/SELF HELP
The 48 Laws Of Power, by Robert Greene
As a Man Thinketh, by James Allen
The Power of Positive Thinking, Norman Vincent Peale
The Gift of Acabar, by Og Mandino
Leaders Of Men: Types And Principles Of Success, As Illustrated In The Lives And Careers Of Famous Americans Of The Present day, by Henry Woldmar Ruoff
The Greatest Salesman in the World by Og Mandino
Your Creative Power, by Alex Osborn
Reach Out for a New Life, by Robert Harold Schuller
Hagakure: The Book Of The Samurai, by T. Yamamoto
Books by Sri Aurobindo
Books by Kalki Krishnamurthy
POETRY
Robert Burns poems – “Ae Fond Kiss, And Then We Sever”, “Tom O’Shanter”
Poetry by Rabindranath Tagore
Sufi Poetry
Thoughts of Love: A Collection of Poems on Love, by Susan Polis Schutz
The Children’s Hour, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
The Tyger, by William Blake
The Bridge of Sighs, by Thomas Hood
The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran
BIOGRAPHIES ON ICONS
Abraham Lincoln, by Carl Sandburg
Lincoln’s Devotional, by Carl Sandburg
My Life in Pictures, by Charlie Chaplin
Lennon in America: 1971-1980, Based in Part on the Lost Lennon Diaries, by Geoffery Giuliano
Glass Onion: The Beatles In Their Own Words, by Geoffrey Giuliano
The Beatles Illustrated Lyrics, by Alan Aldridge
The Lost Lennon Interviews, by Giuliano
Things We Said Today: Conversations with the Beatles, by Geoffrey Giuliano
Elvis Day By Day, by Peter Guralnick
The Rolling Stones: A Life on the Road
Bruce Lee: The Celebrated life of the Golden Dragon, by John Little
Elia Kazan: A Life, by Elia Kazan
Songs My Mother Taught Me, by Marlon Brando
James Dean: An American Icon, by David Loehr
Steps In Time, by Fred Astaire
My Autobiography, by Charlie Chaplin
Goldwyn: A Biography by A. Scott Berg
Duse: A Biography, by William Weaver
HISTORY
White Nights: The Story Of A Prisoner In Russia, by Menachem Begin
The Rest Of Us: The Rise Of America’s Eastern European Jews, by Stephen Birmingham
PHOTOGRAPHY
Planet Vegas : A Portrait of Las Vegas by 20 of the World’s Leading Photographers: Rick Browne, James Marshall
Hurrell Hollywood: Photographs 1928-1990
The Art Book, by Phaidon
Going East: Two Decades of Asian Photography, by Max Pam
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I’m informed about the girlie magazines found in a locked suitcase under MJ’s bed downstairs and two closed boxes found on the second level of his bedroom of which we don’t even know whether he even opened them. But if you are interested, the full inventory is provided by lacienegasmiled site, who listed every piece of adult materials found in Neverland, even those that could be traced to some other people visiting Neverland https://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/michael-jacksons-porn/
But what I noticed is that firstly, the earliest magazines which are Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler were dated 1991 when Michael was 33 (which is twice the age when most men are interested in matters of sex).
And the second thing I noticed is that Michael also had 10,000 books in his library, and besides (or before) reading adult magazines he also read history, philosophy and poetry books, not to mention the Bible which he was still spreading for example, in late 80s and early 90s (when he was friends with Safechuck and Robson).
His reading habits are described in the article below, and if you find another pop-and-rock superstar who was similarly keen on reading serious literature (and listening to classical music) please come to see me here again and I will gladly discuss it with you. But not before you find me someone else like him.
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Oh, I see!
You mean the kind of people that own books like Double Dicking Caroline, Hawk Magazine (featuring “Picnic Pussy Party: All You Can Eat Sweet Meat!”), Club International (featuring “My Snatch Wants Cock!” “Spunk in My Mouth!”), Man; A Sexual Study of Man (featuring oral and anal sex between two men), and Plumpers (very disrepctful to overweight women)?
Those kind of people?
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No need for sarcasm, jasper, we were discussing sexual depravity and it is promiscuity and lust that erode the natural moral barriers of a human being, and not his spending sprees.
As to drugs – as far as I remember Oprah Whinfrey also took drugs and even admitted it herself. And the Queen of England has lots of people around her to cater to her every whim.
So what?
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@nancy
I’m thinking people who say they were his best friend when they hardly knew him. Think that scumbag Marc Schaffel and his lawsuit that by some miracle he won.
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@Matt
I’ve never heard of anyone making up positive stories about MJ just to cash in. Everyone knows that negative is what sells.
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Nancy, not sure which story we are sticking to? Is it the one where MJ was a poor old soul who had lost all his fortune, power and influence, or the one where MJ was a fabulously wealthy icon who was a target? I’m confused.
And how many frivolous lawsuits has MJ paid out? I know the Chandlers were one, how many more were there?
How about people making up positive stories about him to cash in, create publicity for themselves or sell books? We should be speaking out against them too just to be consistent because lies are lies and there were enough lies in MJs life already.
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@szilvia09
And what other famous person you know has been the constant victim of frivolous lawsuits, betrayal for money by friends, people making up stories about them just to cash in or get attention, writing books, etc–both in life and in death? MJ was one of the biggest icons of all time and the bigger you are, the more of a target you’re going to be, so this whole “where there’s smoke there’s fire” argument doesn’t necessarily apply to him because of the sheer volume of opportunists and shady individuals throughout his life and are still surfacing to this day. My favorite was the guy who claimed that he was MJ’s long lost son and took a bogus DNA test to try and get compensation from the estate.
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Just one? That would be pointless. It didn’t work with Michael anyway, everyone knows he is innocent, so what other celebrities have they tried this with?
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You mean like people who get addicted to drugs or go on spending sprees or have people around to cater to their every whim?
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I haven’t steered the answer into a different direction – the analogy is absolutely correct. The game is the same in its essence and all it requires is 1) the idea 2) willing or nominated participants 3) massive propaganda to realize the plan.
If the idea is to portray someone (even a country) as a villain, lots of willing and nominated participants will join in (up to actors on TV telling their pathetic stories and bringing the audience to tears and a state of “noble anger” for the alleged perpetrators), and mass propaganda will put the final touch by boosting all of it to cosmic proportions and making extremely selective reporting of the events. This is the pattern how they do it.
The same with Michael Jackson. The idea or goal was set sometime in the 1980s when unsuspecting MJ was nominated by real pedophiles attending a NAMBLA conference for the role of their poster boy. They planned to use his popularity for breaking the wall of resistance to ped-lia and the only thing they needed for it was to bring MJ down to their level and create the impression that he was one of them. Gutierrez who attended the respective NAMBLA conference disclosed the plan in one of his very early interviews to some Danish source, if I remember it correct.
The task of compromising MJ was realized with the help of at least two rogues – Gutierrez, a suspected boy-lover, and Rodney Allen, a convicted pedophile. Both were possibly working as police informants and both were in close cooperation with Diane Dimond (Gutierrez was her “best source” and with Rodney Allen she had continuous correspondence. Sneddon knew both of them too).
Gutierrez made rounds of the parents of all boys in MJ’s vicinity and found Evan Chandler as a willing participant. His son Jordan was the first to join in. He accused MJ but couldn’t prove it as his description was all wrong. Later he refused to cooperate with the police dropping an enigmatic reply “I’ve done my part”.
To fill in the holes in the story and make up for the lack of real evidence the media unleashed a horrible anti-Michael hysteria and trashed him for decades (compare it with real pedophiles like Sandusky and Savile of whom they didn’t say a word).
So all necessary components of a full-scale scam are there – the goal, willing participants (motivated by money or “noble anger”) and a massive support from the media.
I don’t see much difference between what was done to Michael and what our regime is doing now to Ukraine. Sometimes I even think that our propagandists learned from those who perfected their skills on vilifying Michael. It was a sort of a mass pilot project conducted by the West which convinced our guys who attentively followed it that anyone can be accused of anything and everyone will believe it even in the absence of any evidence.
And now all of us are “enjoying” the consequences of it.
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Accusation is no proof of guilt. By putting an equal mark between the two and claiming that anyone who is accused is already guilty you are distorting the picture and defying the basic legal principles. During his whole lifetime Michael had only three accusers and even those were scrambled with much difficulty after the mammoth work done for decades by his adversary Sneddon.
When Michael made the mistake of settling with Jordan Chandler he could have had a flood of accusations because as Thomas Mesereau correctly said “Why work if you can sue Michael Jackson?”. But even then the number of accusers was minimal.
First it was Jordan himself who later said that he “had done his part” and categorically refused to testify for the prosecution. Then it was Jason Francia who under much police duress finally complained of some “tickling” and ended his testimony at the trial by direct advice to Michael to leave the country (as he would not be left alone there anyway). And finally it was the Arvizo boy who hadn’t been molested for all the years he knew Michael but then decided that he was and right at the time when MJ came under close police and media scrutiny after Bashir’s film.
That was all.
As to naming people who were also accused and much more times than Michael, there is a sea of cases like that, however their difference from MJ’s situation was that they were never followed by the police, and the perpetrators were never prosecuted and were given free hand to go on with their crimes.
This article for example, speaks of a huge cover-up of pedophilia crimes going on for decades and that Jimmy Savile was just the tip of an iceberg. The children did complain but no one really reacted to it:
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No, not everyone can be a pedophile, same as not everyone can be a murderer. Most people have a built-in aversion and ethic barrier to things like that. There are some who take down the barrier by a step-by-step erosion of their morals and following their worst self-indulgence instincts, but for those human beings who are not just animals but are real humans (have conscience, sense of responsibility, altruism and compassion for others, for example), such things are so much a taboo or so much belonging to a different realm that a possibility of doing anything like that even never enters their mind.
The majority of teachers and pediatricians working with children are perfectly normal people who would be abhorred by your statement. Saying it about everybody is the same as stating that all surgeons who cut people’s bodies for medical reasons are potential murderers.
By the way, by sharing views that “anyone can be a pedophile” you are actually promoting pedophilia agenda here. This is one of the many ways they are trying to push their ideas on the public. Please take care to no longer express their views here or I will have to take care of your presence in this blog.
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Vindicate MJ-
You didn’t at all answer the question, but instead steered it into a different direction. But that’s fine. I didn’t really expect you to name any, because there are none. Nobody who’s innocent is accused this many times of the exact same crime. At least I haven’t heard of any such cases.
And, um, no, it was not the propaganda of the media that made MJ into a pedophile and child molester. The boys/men who spent time with him and in his bed came out and accused him of it. They, and Neverland employees who saw what was happening. In other words, people who were actually present when the alleged crimes took place.
I know I won’t be able to change your mind, I’m just saying that the fans can’t know for certain that the molestation didn’t happen, because they weren’t in the same room as Michael and his accusers. So them screaming how they know for sure that he’s innocent is irrational.
Anyone can be a pedophile. Even a talented singer and dancer.
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I can name you a whole country that was slandered and accused of being a “fascist junta guilty of crucifying boys and other horrible atrocities” and 100 million of my compatriots believing it due to the enormous anti-Ukrainian propaganda in our official media.
So what? It doesn’t make these lies any more truthful. Lies are lies no matter how many times they are repeated and no matter how many people believe them.
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Dear Vindicate MJ, please name one person, famous or not, who, while being entirely innocent, was accused of child molestation five whole times? Thank you very much.
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Lynande, each of your statements is perfectly correct. Let me repeat them again:
I’ve also thought that Michael’s phone calls were monitored, but in a somewhat different way. Coming from a country where telephones are routinely tapped by the police, the first thing I thought (to my shame) was that Sneddon would not be above taking such an opportunity. And we also remember that Michael’s conversation with his lawyer was tapped during his flight back from Las Vegas in 2003 when he was to “turn in to the police”. So it was a usual danger for Michael and checking for bugs in his room was a routine practice for his bodyguards (as they wrote in their book).
Michael himself was constantly on his guard as to a possibility of being tapped so he was certainly very careful when talking on the phone. And you are right, the calls in Neverland could also be monitored by his own people for security reasons.
So this story about Michael “threatening” Safechuck on the phone is simply hilarious – first, because Michael himself was afraid of being recorded (by police, media or anyone), second, because his own security team headed by a former policeman (!) could be monitoring all conversations, and third, because Michael was simply unable to threaten anyone. It was totally out of his character.
Yes, Thomas Mesereau always says that he was not planning to present the defense case at the 2005 trial. It is the prosecution who has all the burden of proof and Thomas Mesereau thought that the prosecutors hadn’t proven anything, so presenting witnesses for the defense was redundant in his opinion.
Quote about the US legal system: “A defendant can “plead the fifth”, remain silent, and not offer a shred of evidence to support his or her claim of innocence and still prevail. It is the prosecutor’s job to prove a defendant is guilty, not a defendant’s job to prove that he or she is innocent.”http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/defending-yourself-against-a-criminal-charge.html
Actually it was Wade Robson who made Thomas Mesereau change his strategy and summon some witnesses for the defense. And again, when it came to their selection, it was Thomas Mesereau who was to decide. For example, he didn’t call Frank Cascio and it was Mesereau’s decision, not Cascio’s. And it is clear from Cascio’s book that though Michael probably expected him to testify he never talked to him about it and never called him!
Yes, it was a sloppy job, evidently done in some haste. Its whole idea was indeed “whining lamentations” as Susanne put it, coming from a third-rate actor in some cheap play.
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Has anyone asked him how these supposed phone calls worked that came from MJ during the trial?
One thing is that was a given for years that Janet Arvizo attempted to use to her advantage was that all phone calls are monitored at Neverland. Both incoming and outgoing. That was part of his security.
Does he really think that Michael made the arrangements as to who would testify?
Tom Mesereau was his attorney and he would have decided who he would call and who he wouldn’t. None of these people seem to know that you get your mileage paid for and hotel if necessary if you are called to testify in a trial.
It wasn’t even determined if the defense was even going to put on a case. The 1108 evidence which he would have fallen under wasn’t determined who he would call because the judge hadn’t decided what he was going to allow in yet.
You would think they would come up with something other than this that is so easily refuted.
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Sono stanca di tutto questo . Ma dov’erano i genitori di questi due idioti quando , come dicono loro , MJ abusava di loro? E basta…… hanno davvero rotto le scatole ,,,,,, parassiti, schifosi, incapaci. Ma cosa vogliono ancora MJ è morto, deceduto, andato ……..perchè non ci pensavano prima . Avevano la possibilità di mandarlo in galera nel 2005 e non lo hanno fatto , adesso che senso ha? Smettetela di insultare i ragazzini che davvero vengono abusati…..bell’esempio che siete per i vostri figli vigliacchi quando secondo la vostra verità potevate avere giustizia e così forti e determinati ora che lui è morto e che vi interessano solo i soldi . Ma ricopritevi di merda e buttatevi dentro un cesso , siete senza dignità .
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Bing translator:
“I am tired of all this. But where were the parents of these two idiots when, as they say, MJ abused them? And just … .. .have really broken boxes,,,,,,, hideous parasites, incapacitated. But what they want yet MJ is dead, died, gone … and … and … Why didn’t they think before. Had a chance to send him to jail in 2005 and have not done so now what is the point? Stop insulting the kids who are really abused ….. fine example you are for cowards when your children according to your truth you could have justice and are so strong and determined now that he is dead and you are interested only in money. But shit cake yourselves and go in a toilet, you are without dignity.
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Susanne, I fully agree – there is a lot of deliberate smoke and vagueness around this case. I’m currently trying to put into order the documents available to us, but see that we don’t have even as much as the original complaint from Safechuck. It became known to us only in Diane Dimond’s interpretation who claimed she was close to “Safechuck sources” and just told us a story about it.
And the second “supplementary declaration” indeed seems to have never been published on the official list of documents of the LA Superior Court. I’m checking and rechecking it but can’t find it there. So it was released through those haters’ sources by Safechuck himself (or his lawyers). This points to their attempt to try to win the case in the court of public opinion and exert pressure on the judge via the public.
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Girls, you are right, and there is a whole lot more to say about the absurdity of his statements it (see for example, the discussion that is taking place on mjjcommunity: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129320-Discussion-Wade-Robson-files-claim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page666)
Here are some quotes:
-The alleged threat by Michael is not clarified in Safechuck’s complaint. He says Michael told him as a child that his “life would be over if anyone found out” and that continued to have a lasting effect on him until recent therapy. Putting aside the fact how difficult it is to believe with all the things going on around MJ (1993, 2005 etc.) – and we have no such circumstances in the precedent case -, I also find this a very vague statement. It’s not clarified how it’s meant. Did Safechuck allegedly believe his life would be physically over? Or in which way? “I knew that he could see to it that my life would be over if what happened ever came out.” Does he suggest that MJ would get him murdered? Does he suggest MJ would get him lose his job? His family? Or what? It’s never clarified what Safechuck allagedly was afraid of and how MJ would have power over those aspects of his life.
– It makes no sense to claim you were afraid of his celebrity, or afraid of anything at all, when you didn’t even believe it was bad or abusive at the time. With MJ, they can be both terrified of this monster, but also act like he was the nicest guy alive and so you didn’t even know he was abusing you till 20 years after the fact.
– Yes, apparently they try to have it both ways and do not realize that they cannot logically claim both this “I did not know it was wrong” and this “I was so trapped in fear”/”MJ is a bad man” thing. The two things are just logically not compatible.
– they didnt file a case till the estate was out of the red, the didnt have any trouble understanding that fact.
– now these two come out with changing their earlier stories, but this (like all the former allegations against MJ) come with a demand for a big paycheque. Of course, people are going to be sceptical. (And I’m sure they’d be even more sceptical if they read these court papers like we do and saw how conveniently fine tuned these allegations are for purposes like getting around statutes of limitations etc.)
– It is so obvious when you read these so-called victim statements that their levels of entitlement are off the charts. Growing up around the most famous and adored man on the planet had to come with its perks but if there was anything unhealthy in MJs relationship with these kids, it is that it gave some of the more morally ambiguous brats a very skewed sense of reality and what was achieveable in their own lives. Now they are adults and MJ is dead, they want what they feel they are entitled to. Going from Neverland to a full time job has gotta suck! And being a washed up choreographer at 30 can’t be a barrel of laughs either.
– I thought this was a really interesting (and true) comment about them. You know where I first noticed this ‘entitlement’ thing? It was on a Joy Robson audio interview that I listened to about four or so years ago. I listened to it again after the allegations, and this time I heard the bitterness. She was upset that they weren’t overnight successes, and you could tell that was the expectation. As far as I’m concerned they did achieve success early-not too many kids become choreographers at 17 or have their own MTV show at 19 or 20. Maybe that was due to June and Wade’s hard work, because she made it out that Michael didn’t just fling open doors for them-but she also came off as another extremely pushy stage mother that wants her kid to be a star. And when all of that fell apart, Wade is after the money he felt entitled to from the only person he can take revenge out on. (or who has BIG MONEY)
– I do sense a big deal of entitlement in both Robson and Safechuck, although they had different lives. Robson became a successful choreographer, but apparently he aspired for more due to Michael telling him he would be a new Spielberg, international superstar, this or that. He also seems to have a genetical mental illness that is running in his family which made him have breakdowns and eventually fail in his career. He seems to blame the pressure to succeed on Michael, although it was really his mother who put him under such pressure.
– Safechuck never became successful in showbiz and apparently he also blames it on MJ that he could not go to University. To me it seems that the guy is bitter that his aspired entertainment career never really kicked off and he also blames it on MJ that he doesn’t have a University degree. So I guess that’s how he is able to justify to himself why he is entitled to Michael’s money by lying about him.
– BTW, this whole thing is odd to me and I’d really love to see his initial complaint because from the informations we got from that it seemed like in that one he claimed his relationship with MJ just stopped around 1997. Now we get all these new(?) additions about MJ’s huge influence on him and his parents still as he was trying to go to University and until 2003-04… He says he enrolled in Moonpark Community College at 19, in 1997. I think they usually have a two-year education. So he would have tried to go to University in about 1999. So he claims that at the time MJ still had such a huge influence on him and his parents that he somehow stopped him from going to University? Wasn’t the story that their relationship tapered off in 1997? And why would he do that? Yes, Michael had a love for movies and entertainment, but he was also big on education. Didn’t he finance his nephews (3T) to get to college/University?
– And for him to be this anxious litte wreck that did not come forward before because of publicity, he made sure to run to Diane Dimond to get her report about his complaint when it was hardly even filed yet – and actually it was apparently more important for him that his complaint would interfere with the release of Xscape than to be within 60 days of PC 9103….
– I really would love to see his initial complaint. I’m intrigued if these claims about 2003-2004 and continuous contact with MJ are in it or this is a new element. It appears to be the latter, at least it is in no earlier versions I heard about this. In fact, even in that lengthy presentation by that hater, D, she actually says: “Nearly ten years passed (after about 1996) before Jackson made another self-serving appearance in James’s life.” So it seems like he did not claim anything about keeping contact with MJ between 1996 and 2004-05. But now: “During that time period, I had stopped seeing Decedent, but Decedent would continue to call me once or twice a year to talk to me and “check in”.
– I can see why this change would be needed if indeed it’s a new claim compared to his initial complaint. I guess in his initial complaint he tried to play on the narrative that MJ drops kids when they grow up (not true, but a very presistent media myth). However now for his equitable estoppel argument, to explain how MJ had a grip on him all these years and why he could not come forward earlier, he has to establish some sort of continious control by MJ over him. So these claims now appear. How convenient.
– I cannot imagine Robson AND Safechuck being able to maintain the costly fees for this expensive, doomed venture which leads me to believe the legal team is being funded by others.
This last point is an especially interesting one. Who is indeed paying the legal fees for these two guys?
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I think that it would be difficult to find someone who would be totally unbiased (obviously this blog is biased too), but the big difference between us and MJ haters is that we do not hide the facts of various allegations about MJ. On the contrary we ourselves search for them, freely report them and provide our explanations for what we’ve found.
In other words since we are really interested in the truth we report both sides of the story. This is how Evan Chandler’s telephone conversation with David Schwartz came to be discussed here, same as Sneddon’s allegations that he found a cocaine spot on some dirty laundry at Neverland and very many other things which at first sight seem not to be in favor of MJ (but only until you really look at what’s standing behind them).
On MJ haters’ site you will never find this equal representation of facts. They will present you with one side of the story and will totally disregard any facts speaking to Michael’s innocence. For example, they are completely unable to accept the simple fact that MJ was not circumcised (while Jordan Chandler said he was), and instead of admitting this simple truth they will go to great lengths to explain that … Jordan Chandler never said it. And this in spite of the fact that this circumcision issue was so common knowledge with everyone that even I in my far-away part of the world heard it.
In short when the truth is not to the haters’ liking they simply ignore it and are even not above changing the past. This is their standard practice, so everyone who reads them should know in advance that they will not only hear a highly-biased anti-Michael story but that all facts in favor of Michael will simply not be reported there. ALL of them.
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@Lynande51: Exactly. His statements consist of or are even based on contradictions. He tells his story in a very vague and confusing way, but this could even be a method to keep the whole thing foggy and inaccurate (on purpose and arranged by his lawyers). We know from political propaganda that this method exists to confuse people.
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I have to comment on all this especially on that messed up site RealMJFacts. I was looking up on that site a few months ago when a commenter asked why doesn’t the site try to be more neutral when examining these accusations. The owner of that site (who just enjoys bashing MJ fans on Twitter and who has an ego that’s bigger than his/her intelligence) told the commenter that RealMJFacts is not meant to be neutral and that it has bias views. So that should tell you a lot about the site’s motivations right there.
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Is this statement an attempt to clear up the first claims that were so murky because this one is just as murky as the first one. Let me see if I understand this. He told his mother but didn’t tell his mother at the same time because that is how his statement reads. I have a suggestion for James. If you want someone to make sense of something do not have DSSL try to explain it for you. It just gets more confusing and tends to make the claims even more foggy.
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There is much more to say when you read the declaration carefully which undermines Safechuck’s credibility.
When he says in point 15 that he told his mother he was okay and didn’t answer her question, and then even said to her that Michael “is not a good person” and that “something had happened”, I wonder what a normal mother would do. Wouldn’t she get extremely suspicous and insist on an answer or even take some steps, like pressure him to testify?
He says: “I then begged her not to say anything or my life would be over. I believed that.” – And his mother believed that, too??? The conversation with his mother lasted only “a few minutes”, and then he left the house. And that was it? No more questions?
Wouldn’t the mother want justice for her son and decide to testify herself? But no, the whole family decides not to testify (point 16) – why? He nowhere talks about a financial settlement Michael offered him.
What does he mean with “his life would be over” – physically over? Death threats? He expresses himself very vaguely. When the threat was so big, then why not bring his molester behind bars to be safe? This would have been easily possible in 2005.
When he tells in point 18 that MJ called him again at the end of the trial to pressure him again to testify, this doesn’t make sense. We know from Tom Mesereau that he had more witnesses who were ready to testify for Michael, but didn’t need them as the case was proceeding very well for them. No reason for Michael to pressure him towards the end of the trial again.
And look at the photo above. How does the boy look there? Does he look scared, traumatized, intimidated?
I could go on and on.
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Susanne, I am no expert of course but it seems to me that if some documents are supposed to be sealed it must be a grave violation to leak them through the lawyers who are supposed to follow the court rules.
I would love some Americans to look into this problem and tell us whether our conclusions are correct.
Then it means that in both cases the game is not fair and is not played by the rules.
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Helena, yes, you’re right. I didn’t realize that the Safechuck document refers only to case # BP117321, so it’s part of the probate case and not of Robson’s civil case.
I think your conclusions are correct, the document must be confidential, and when it is confidential, RO and MJFacts can only have it from Safechuck’s lawyers (or himself).
I now remember vaguely that we already had this suspicion at an earlier point when it concerned some of Robson’s documents. It is one thing when MJ haters are in cahoots, but it’s another thing when lawyers cooperate with them.
On the other hand it doesn’t surprise: We know that AEG’s lawyers also leaked documents!
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Susanne, thank you for the details and interesting information about Dylan Howard. I’m slowly getting myself back into the picture.
1) Yes, there are two cases – BP117321 (probate case which has to do with wills, etc. and in Robson’s case with a Creditor’s claim) and BC508502 (Robson’s civil claim). The LA Superior Court says that the cases are related:
2) Robson is also part of the probate case and here are some entries under probate BP117321 case proving it. For example:
3) As regards Robson’s civil case BC508502 it looks like it is public too as the page with documents filed under this case is open for the public. What’s strange though is that on February 19, 2014 Robson filed his “Second Amended suit” but it is not on the official list of filed documents. If you look up the list you won’t see a document dated 02/19/2014:
Why is it not there?
4) The link you’ve given me about the paid services of the LA Superior Court website says that “Certain cases and documents may not be available on this web site; these include, but are not limited to, cases and documents that are confidential, sealed, or filed in courtrooms.”
From this paragraph I conclude that some documents have a confidential character and can be leaked only unofficially. And this in its turn means that the “Second amended suit” was sort of illegally smuggled.
5) As regards Safechuck the front page of his Supplementary Declaration of March 18, 2015 clearly refers to probate case No. BP117321.
However it is not on the list of filed documents either and therefore could be obtained only in an unofficial way. So neither Radar.online, nor mjfacts could simply buy this document. How could they if it is not even listed among the documents available for purchase?
The only explanation I can find for it is that this document was leaked to mjfacts (same as Radar.online) direct by Safechuck or his lawyers (who are the same as Robson’s).
And this means that this a closely-knit group working in collusion with each other. So as a very minimum readers should forget the word “neutrality” which these sources boldly proclaim. They are the worst Michael’s haters who take every chance to hide truthful facts about MJ’s innocence inconvenient for their theories and promote lies about him blowing them out of all proportion.
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@Helena: I don’t know exactly how the court information system works, but there is a difference between case summary #BP117321, which seems to be the probate case, and the Robson case #BC508502, which probably is the civil case.
The Robson (+ Safechuck) case never was included in the probate case summary when I checked it earlier. We can also see the case summary of the BC508502 civil case, but I think it is not public and you need an account with the LA court website to get access to the documents.
(See this site: https://www.lacourt.org/paonlineservices/civilimages/publicmain.aspx? )
What we need to know is whether the Safechuck case is integrated in the Robson case or whether it has its own case number. If we knew the number we could verify these dates, but strangely the Robson case doesn’t mention a “case related” with another number related to Safechuck. So we don’t know how the Safechuck case is listed.
But I assume Radar Online as well as MJFacts have an account to see the documents as soon as they are filed. They probably have to pay for them and then have the right to put their logo on them.
If any of our American readers could confirm this, I would be glad.
Of course MJFacts as well as RO are a forum for MJ haters and that’s why they are eager to get the documents at first and publish them.
Regarding RO we know that Dylan Howard became editor-in-chief in August 2013 (he replaced David Perel). See here: http://nypost.com/2013/08/09/vfs-carter-re-ups/
This could be an answer to Nina Hamilton’s comment below because it could be the reason why the tone on RO changed so massively against MJ. Dylan Howard, who apparently is also called “The king of Hollywood scoops”, is Australian like Robson and probably “Mike Par” who is extremely active as an MJ hater. They are definitely in cahoots with each other. It’s interesting that not even TMZ has this appetite for the Robson/Safechuck cases and the documents.
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“Safechuck making reference to Gavin is interesting also, because his lawyers have never bothered to have contacted them .Alan duke went to their door about 6 months ago and Star was stunned .”
I’ve never heard about this. Where did you get this info?
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I can’t thank the contributors here enough for dissecting and exposing these greedy liars for what they are. The sooner these ridiculous claims are dismissed, the better.
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Susanne, thank you, I’ve also found it, but now it raises another question with me – how come the Radar.online version has Radaronline printed all over the paper, while the mjfacts version is clean and has the logo of their site all over it? Does it mean that they both have access to one source and that mjfacts is in direct contact with Safechuck and Robson?
These two versions of the documents leave no doubt that the so-called “neutral” mjfacts site is actually a forum for Michael’s worst haters. We always knew it but it is always nice to have a confirmation of it directly from them.
Please compare the Radar.online version with the previous one from the mjfacts:
And the matter of why this paper is not officially filed is not clear either, is it?
P.S. And you absolutely needn’t answer the rest of my questions – they are not for you, they are for the devisors of this anti-MJ scam!
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Of course none of this makes any sense.but he has to say this kind of garbage in order to try and go around the statue of limitations .
If he can get a judge to sign off on this, Im sure he figures he will get a settlement.
There is no way these people would ever show up in court for cross examination
They are hoping the estate wont want to go forward with a trial., get some cash.
Why would Jackson be calling him at the end of the trial to testify, when his name only came up , when Sneddon was trying to say he was a victim,in front of the judge, before the 1108 evidence was put in play., during the prosecutors case.
I would think that would be the time to call, not after it was no longer necessary.
Wade and family say THEY made the decision to testify and Wade had actually not been following the trial, from what I recall.
Doesnt sound like MJ was pressuring anyone to come in .
That is the only reason that Wade, Brett and Mac showed up to refute that stuff, because they were specifically mentioned , during 1108 in front of the jurors ….so they showed up to deny the tabloid stories.
MJ wouldnt have called Safechuck in because there was never any mention of abuse of him, before the jurors , that I recall, other then when Mesereau mistakenly asked, Kiki Fournier, if he was married at Neverland, He meant Spence , who was married at Neverland,not Safechuck, and his point was to mention all kinds of people had access to Neverland, loved it etc.
This seems to have been made an issue regarding Mesereau not remembering why he asked that question, by some people
Why he asked if Safechuck was married there.
This not a script that Mesereau was following, this was a fluid cross exam.
He also mistook Monaco for Paris was cross examining June Chandler .,
It is just an error on his part.
I would think it is more important that Ms Chandler was specifically asked , by the prosecutors .what the seating arangements were , in a limo regarding Brett , and simply said he was sitting next to MJ,when the prosecution was looking for a bombshell that never happened, by her own account.
This point should have made the prosecutors question everything they had heard though people selling stories .
Or that Kiki Fornier laughed about the Arvizo being held at neverland.That anyone could very easily just walk out.
Those are questions that went wrong..
.Despite the fact the tabloids like to crop parents out of pictures , Safechucks mother was with him all the time, same as Robson and mac dad.Bretts family traveled with him also.
You have to also assume that Safechucks mother must have been delusional , to have never had a conversation with her son regarding accusations made against Jackson., way back in 93
Nevermind those accusations got one family generational wealth , just to not be able to speak to tabloids, but could still show up in court.and press charges.
No matter how dysfunctional a family may be, this is going to be coming up in conversation.
AND Safechuck did a deposition saying nothing happened , so he would have been well aware .
Safechuck making reference to Gavin is interesting also, because his lawyers have never bothered to have contacted them .Alan duke went to their door about 6 months ago and Star was stunned .
They have never had any contact what so ever with these lawyers
If you thought you had a legitimate victim, someone that was believable , you would contact them .
This is why Safechuck only refers to Arvizo but they dont get specific
.His testimony shows he is a flat out liar.
And he was discredited in direct examination BEFORE Mesereau examined him .
He made huge contradictions ,completely forgot the most sordid thing Sneddon was hoping for and had brought up in his opening statement..instead it became an innocent situation., by Gavins own words.
It was so bad Sneddon tried to blame it on his cancer and chemo, but the kid was too stupid to pick up on it.
i havent seen any specifics regarding MJ anatomy mentioned by these 2 either, because we know that Gavins testimony , contradicted Jordans statements and MJ autopsy showed they were both wrong about several very glaring points regarding MJ body.
This was the big thing with the Chandlers, and the media but we dont see it mentioned since his autopsy.
So we wont see that brought up imo.
They want you to forget both Chandler and Arvizo could not identify MJ despite their accusations
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One wonders why he did it, if his life would never be normal. He did not have to do it to prevent others to become a victim. I strongly believe that he met lawyers or other people (who have had one sole purpose for decades : MJ’s destruction) that got him to do that, for 2 possible reasons : to discredit Michael’s legacy and to bring his reputation down, and/or money. The same goes for WR. The Estate should never settle. But above all : the case should be dismissed.
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Helena, the document is on the Radar Online site. If you use the first two links I put in the text, you will get there. My screenshots are from their document:
Click to access MJ-signed.pdf
I will look at the rest of your questions later because I have some guests today.
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Susanne, thank you very much for your immediate reaction to this paper and starting an important discussion. I also want to write about but at the moment would just like to ask several questions.
Question 1: Why is the “Supplementary Declaration” allegedly filed by Safechuck on March 18 NOT on the official list of documents filed with the LA Superior Court?
Here is the list of the latest documents filed for the various cases the Estate is dealing in now – and the date of March 18 is simply NOT THERE (Case Number: BP117321):
03/20/2015 Notice of Ruling (RE EX PARTE APPLICATION TO CONTINUE HEARING ON MOTION FOR SUMMARY ADJUDICATION )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
03/10/2015 Declaration – Probate (SETH R. GASSMAN )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
03/10/2015 Declaration – Probate (JAMES J. PIZZIRUSSO )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
03/10/2015 Declaration – Probate (MICHAEL D. HAUSFELD )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
03/10/2015 Declaration – Probate (JEFFREY L. FAZIO )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
03/10/2015 MOTION – APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
02/26/2015 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT MSJ FROM 3/17 TO 4/7 )
Filed by Claimant
02/11/2015 Stipulation and Order
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
02/11/2015 Miscellaneous-Other (CIVIL DEPOSIT )
Filed by Clerk
Source: http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/casesummary.aspx?
Question 2: Why does this “Declaration” come with a mjfacts logo on it? Does it mean that this haters’ site is in exclusive possession of the document which has not been even published, not to mention the lack of its official filing?
(if anyone finds the paper on Radar.online please tell me – I myself haven’t been able to find it there).
Question 3: How come the mjfacts site has exclusive access to it? Does it mean that it works in close cooperation with Safechuck, Robson and their lawyers and their site is actually a platform for spreading lies about Jackson?
Question 4: Does the lack of the official filing of the document mean that the “Declaration” is a sort of a private document which was not even officially accepted? And they now spread it on their forums just to smear Michael’s name?
Question 5: Why do Michael’s haters readily believe the hateful anti-Michael stories spread by Radar.online and don’t believe the sum of $1,62 billion demanded by Robson, which is also reported by Radar.online, the Daily Mail, lots of Australian and other media sources? Why so selective an approach?
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I haven’t read this statements on Radar, but i read on the MJFacts (MJLies) site. The same things, even more, are presented as facts.
I’m trying hard to change their mind. But they somehow stole my profile and wrote a terrible things like it was me. I saw the same thing with other fan. I can’t imagine why are they doing such things.
I’m so happy to see how Helena and others, are protecting our Michael.
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The article on RadarOnline was so ridiculous it was almost funny. After researching the BASIC, truthful facts regarding these allegations, it’s extremely obvious that the accusers are doing it for money. Michael was and still is, completely innocent.
The saddening part in all this was how Michael loved children. The pure love he had for children was simply beautiful. I have to admit, I thought children were rather annoying in a way before. But after reading about Michael, it COMPLETELY change me. Seeing the world through Michael’s eyes is an amazing experience.
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I am really puzzled here because I read articles by Radar Online a few years ago, declaring that Michael had set up and financed a Michael Jackson Institute for the Treatment of Sexually-abused Children; also about FBI and Los Angeles Children and Families Dept. reports that found no evidence of any wrongdoing against any child by MJ over ten to fifteen years. Now they are publishing all this.
Safechuck said in his statement that his ‘life would never be normal if any of the facts ‘of the truth of our relationship were exposed to the world’, even after Michael’s death; but that is what he has just done!
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