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Wade Robson, the Judge’s Ruling and Coincidences in Robson’s Case

June 9, 2015

By now everybody already knows that the judge dismissed Wade Robson’s creditor’s claim against the Estate for reasons that it was filed too late and Robson’s lawyers’ reference to “equitable estoppel” did not apply.

Judge Mitchell Beckloff’s ruling came on May 26, 2015 and to be honest it didn’t seem to me reason enough for too much elation as it was a well-expected outcome – it couldn’t be any different if the judge just followed the law and created no precedents specially for Robson.

And the judge did follow the law and created no precedent specially for Robson, and the only question here is why it took him two years to make a decision which was expected of him anyway. The only plausible explanation here is that the judge studied the case inside out, so no one can say now that he treated the matter superficially.

Some circumstances around Robson’s claim and some facts in the judge’s ruling seemed interesting to me and this is what I would like to share with you in this post.

If you want to read the ruling here is a link to the full text. If you want a concise summary of it you are invited to DailyMichael.com.

And I will limit myself to just a couple of notes.

NOTES 

1) The reaction of Robson’s lawyer Maryann Marzano (Gradstein & Marzano) was that the ruling is going to be appealed and the civil lawsuit filed by Robson against Michael Jackson’s corporations still holds. The same is true for Safechuck’s two cases (probate and civil), so all in all three cases still remain.

This brings us to the following package of lawsuits that will keep everyone busy for the next few years:

  • Robson probate claim against MJ/MJ Estate – dismissed (to be appealed)
  • Safechuck probate claim against MJ/MJ Estate – ongoing. Next hearing is set for July 21 2015
  • Robson civil case against MJJ Productions/MJJ Ventures – ongoing. Next hearing is June 30 2015
  • Safechuck civil case against MJJ Productions/MJJ Ventures – ongoing

Some people wonder who is funding so massive an amount of work and for almost two years too and are hinting at a benefactor behind Robson/Safechuck. Others think that the job of their legal attorneys is contingency-based (this is when lawyers are not paid and get a percentage of the settlement if they win the case).

It may be either way, but if the appeal mentioned by Maryann Marzano indeed takes place the payment situation around this litigation will become much clearer. Appeals are never done on a free-of-charge basis – it is expensive business and requires a lot of funds, so if it comes to that stage the question about a sponsor behind the two not-so-wealthy guys will get a definite answer and it will only remain to find out who this entity is.

Let us never allow this point to escape our attention and proceed to another Marzano’s statement.

2) Besides her ritual exclamations about the horrible Michael Jackson and calling him names Marzano also thought it necessary to note that Beckloff’s ruling “did not make any determination about whether Robson’s allegations were factual”.

Same as the exclamations this remark was totally unnecessary for a professional lawyer as it only misled the public into thinking that the judge was supposed to make such a determination – however nothing of the kind was even expected of the judge. He was handling a probate creditor’s case and his job was to decide whether Robson had or had no right to file a late claim if it exceeded all possible statutes of limitations.

After reading the judge’s ruling I now see a very valid reason for such statutes – the collection of all creditor’s claims takes place within a certain period of time and then stops to make the distribution of the decedent’s assets expeditious and avoid a situation when there is a need to redistribute them once again if some stale claim arrives years later. Otherwise the redistribution process will never end and may even involve litigation among the “distributees” of the estate (those who have already received their share).

Citing several cases the judge said about it:

  • “Probate Code section 9000 et seq. operate to ensure that stale creditors‘ claims will not be presented years later.” (..) As noted earlier, the Probate Code’s claim statutes are designed to prevent stale claims and promote “expeditious distribution of the assets of a decedent’s estate.” (…) Plaintiff’s position would open probate estate administration to substantial uncertainty and possible delay as well as the potential for litigation against distributees of an estate.

Robson’s supporters play a naïve card and claim that he was late with his claim because he is a lay-person who genuinely didn’t understand a distinction between the “administration” of the Estate and the Estate itself.

Well, I don’t know what the “administration” of the Estate means either (possibly collection of all creditor’s claims), but in a situation when all media were screaming about Michael’s debts and creditors were lining up to the Estate with their demands for money, it was impossible not to notice that the Estate was administering those matters. And if it wasn’t the Estate, then who was?  Katherine Jackson or Joe?

3) Another point promoted by Robson’s supporters is that he did not realize that it was possible to make a claim against the Estate until it was explained to him by his lawyer.

This sounds plausible enough, however the judge noted that Probate Code specially focuses on situations like that and says that the 60-day period allowed for making a claim starts not from the moment the claimant learns that he has a cause for legal action, but from the moment he knows/remembers the “fact” that may give rise to a complaint.

According to Robson’s mad version he always knew and remembered that he had been “raped” but he “didn’t know” that it was molestation and realized it only when he spoke to his therapist (May 8, 2012) who was evidently the first to explain it to the poor guy.

The judge’s ruling says that this was the moment when Robson officially “knew” of the “fact” and this is all that matters here:

  • Undisputed fact 30 establishes that plaintiff knew of the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim no later than May 8, 2012. (This is the date that plaintiff disclosed the alleged sexual abuse to another person, his therapist. Probate Code section 9103, subd. (a) (2)’s focus is on knowledge of the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim, not knowledge that the creditor has a cause of action. As acknowledged by plaintiff in these proceedings, plaintiff’s claim is not one involving repressed memory.)

Same as the judge I will not analyze here the essence of Robson’s story and will just say that after his sensational self-discovery he still had two months for consulting a lawyer and finding out whether he could file a claim.

If we regard May 8, 2012 as a starting moment for his knowledge of the “fact”, the deadline for making a claim would be July 7, 2012. The judge said about it:

  • July 7, 2012 is the date on which 60 days would have run from the time that plaintiff had knowledge of (1) the administration of the estate and (2) the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim. (This finding is based on the undisputed facts set forth above.)

In their court documents Robson’s lawyers argued that they did follow the 60 days rule, only they were calculating it from the date when Robson consulted a lawyer (and not knowing the “fact”) and according to Robson it was March 4, 2013:

Robson says he consulted lawyers on March 4, 2013

... and filed a claim within the required 60 days

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And it is at this point that we learn that Robson lied not only about his so-called molestation by MJ, but also about the time he sought legal advice for the first time.

The judge’s ruling disclosed an extraordinary fact previously unknown to us. This fact leads us to believe that Robson contacted lawyers (not necessarily Granstein & Marzano) and began planning legal action against MJ’s Estate much earlier than March 4, 2013 – at least in the summer of 2012.

And please don’t take this piece of news lightly – you can’t even imagine how important it is.

THE EMAIL

The judge’s ruling quotes a certain email sent by Robson on September 7, 2012 to over 30 people referring to some “very personal information”, “truth of his past” and an “extremely sensitive legal matter”.

The text of this email is unavailable to us but the reason for sending it to so many people is obvious – the email looks like a signal to Robson’s inner circle to “stop talking” as an extremely sensitive legal matter is on the way.

It is also quite possible that it was after this email that his mother took off for Australia and his sister started selling out her MJ memorabilia on the web – it was already in September 2012 that Robson’s plan began to be implemented.

The discovery of this email was a huge blow to Robson’s official story and this is why some commenters were surprised that Robson mentioned that email himself.

There is no reason for surprise, guys. Judging by the time of his comment (March 31, 2015) at that moment Robson already knew that his email was in possession of the other side and this forced him to give at least some explanation to it – naturally withholding the most essential part of the text.

The email was mentioned on March 31, 2015 in an article that provided the following timeline for Robson’s fairy tale:

Robson says his first of two nervous breakdowns occurred in April 2011, causing him to withdraw from a film project and begin seeking psychological help. “But I did not mention the sexual abuse because at that time I still did not see it as such,” Robson states in his court papers.

A second breakdown in March 2012 was a turning point, he says. “As with my first breakdown, I experienced stress, anxiety, fear and depression,” Robson says. “I also began to imagine my son being subjected to the same sort of sexual acts I had been forced to commit with Jackson, and for the first time in my life I thought I might need to talk to someone about what Jackson and I had done together.”

Robson says he sent an email to friends and family members in September 2012 concerning what he called a “transformational time” in his life.  “In the email, I wanted to let my friends and family members known what was happening in my life at that point in time.”

Robson says he explained to the readers of his email “what was going on so they would not be worried about me.” He says he asked them to keep what he was revealing confidential, knowing that anything about him and Jackson was newsworthy in the tabloids.

http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/03/31/dancer-claims-michael-jackson-molested-led-him-to-nervous-breakdown/

The essential part of the story withheld by Robson is that already on September 7, 2012 he was planning legal action. This fact becomes known to us not from the article, but from the judge’s ruling who quoted the email.

The matter being legal and the number of people he informed about it are the key issues here. “Legal” means that before sending out that email Robson had already sought legal counsel as without professional advice he wouldn’t have known whether litigation was possible at all, considering the statutes of limitation, etc.

And the huge number of people he informed means that the campaign was planned in full seriousness – his inner circle of friends and relatives could damage his plans by telling the innocent truth about Jackson, and this is why all of them were requested to keep silence.

The additional information provided to us by that article is that Robson was stepping into a transformational time in his life.

All of it makes it absolutely clear that in September 2012 Robson was ready for his “transformations”, was setting ground for them inside his inner circle and was already planning legal action against the MJ Estate.

But what’s important for us is not that important for the Probate code. The only thing Probate Code section 9103, subd. (a) (2) requires for starting the 60 days period within which the claim could be made is the moment when Robson officially “knew” that he had something to complain about.

And he knew it again (for the second time) on September 7, 2012 and if we take it for a new starting point the new deadline for filing the claim would be early November 2012 – however even that second deadline was missed by Robson as he filed his claim only half a year later.

Missing the second deadline was one of the reasons for throwing Robson’s claim by the judge:

  • “See undisputed fact 31 wherein plaintiff references sharing his “very personal information,” “extremely sensitive legal matter,” and “truth of [his] past” with over 30 individuals. This email, sent on September 7, 2012, further suggests plaintiff had knowledge of the facts “reasonably giving rise to the existence of (the claim” (“extremely sensitive legal matter”) by sometime prior to the email date, September 7, 2012.
  • Using the September date as the date by which plaintiff first had knowledge of the facts reasonably giving rise to the existence of the claim, plaintiff would have been required to file his claim in the Probate case in early November 2012 to satisfy the late creditor claims statute.
  • Again, while knowledge that plaintiff had a cause of action is not the relevant inquiry under Probate Code section 9103, subd. (a)(2), it appears — although it is not clear – that plaintiff understood he had a cause of action against the decedent no later than September 7, 2012.
  • Plaintiff did not file this petition to file a late claim until May 1, 2013. His claim is late and plaintiff is not permitted to file a late claim in this Probate case under Probate Code section 9103, the statute that addresses late claims. His claim is barred as it was filed 8 to 10 months after the relevant statutory deadline.”  https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/16e893f7-cb8d-488b-9b09-d35207848ae7

Now that we know the real timeline of Robson’s activities every normal person will wonder why, after mentioning a legal matter already in September 2012, Robson still waited and to a terrible detriment to his own case too?

Indeed, the real surprise of the judge’s ruling is not the dismissal of Robson’s creditor’s claim, but the discovery that even after seeking legal advice and evidently receiving all information about the statute of limitations and the need to file within 60 days, Robson made his complaint so late that even for technical reasons alone it didn’t have any chance to go forward.

Initially this point was not clear to us because everyone thought that Robson consulted his lawyers on March 4, 2013. However now that we know his real timeline, all this waiting looks extremely strange.

He sought legal advice sometime in summer 2012, informed his friends and relatives of the upcoming legal matter and then waited for another 8 months? And started acting only when his chances of winning the case were reduced to zero???

There must be some explanation for this absurdity and it is extremely important to find it.

ROBSON’S LAWYERS EXPLAIN

The explanations were given by Robson’s lawyers after his lie (about the first time he sought legal counsel) had been uncovered.

The lie was most probably revealed to the judge when the Estate lawyers filed a motion for summary judgment more than a month ago, on April 21, 2015. It was evidently at that moment that Ms. Marzano had to rearrange her story and find an explanation for the 8 months of Robson’s silence after his initial plans to start a legal case.

Now she agrees that there was a delay, only it was due to Robson’s “psychological condition” – her client was “brainwashed” by Jackson and even “scared” of him, you know.

The story published on May 27, 2015 (after the judge’s ruling) explained it as follows:

Maryann Marzano, indicated in court last month that although the case was filed past California’s statute of limitations for a creditor’s claim, her client experienced brainwashing, which ultimately held him back from filing in time.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2124227/michael-jackson-victory-court-dismisses-wade-robson-lawsuit/#tKkQ5bEYvZQ651Sx.99

When questioned why it took him another year after his therapy session to come forward, Robson insisted that he was still scared of Jackson, even though the King of Pop passed away in 2009.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2037882/michael-jackson-update-judge-to-rule-on-molestation-case-within-days/

The matter of “fear” was handled and rejected by the judge in the equitable estoppel part of his ruling – Michael was physically unable to threaten Robson for four years after his death, and the Estate never scared Robson either, but offered him a job instead, which he himself refused as far as I remember.

As to that “brainwashing” issue the detail which is now added by Robson’s lawyers to this generally standard argument of all liars is that Robson believed it to be “consensual”.

The so-called rape was consensual???

Marzano argued Robson’s case illustrates that there was no “ah, ha” moment for her client and that until he received therapy and realized he was molested by Jackson, he could not do anything sooner because he had been “brainwashed into believing it was consensual.”

http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/05/27/dancer-allegedly-molested-by-michael-jackson-cant-file-claim-judge-rules/

Robson’s web supporters are also clamoring that he thought that “the abuse was love” and he even “liked it” and “this is why he was so ashamed to admit it”.

Let me say it outright that with real victims of abuse this may indeed happen, only they never speak in support of their abusers under oath in court and never say that they were not even touched as Robson said in his testimony in 2005.

And it is especially hard to imagine that an alleged victim of rape will volunteer to lie for his alleged abuser and will still feel at ease when telling his lies in court, and with a hundred people watching him do it.

Another huge obstacle to Robson’s “psychological condition” version is that the timeline of his actions does not in the least support his story.

I, for one, cannot imagine that knowing of all deadlines a nervous, stressed-out and fearful former victim of abuse will wait so long for filing his claim that he will finally do it when the chances of his case turn zero.

Whatever psychological condition you are in, it will become only worse if you know that you are filing too late and for this reason alone your case will be tossed out and it is a doomed venture from the start of it.

What’s the point of filing a claim when you know that it won’t take you anywhere and all your “shame” will be uncovered in vain?

NOOOO, you will either hurry up to make a claim within the time allowed for it by law or you will not file at all, because filing when it is too late and hopeless is simply absurd. And let me remind you that Robson still had two whole months for making a complaint after he already announced to his inner circle that there was legal action on the way.

But despite that Robson still waited from September 2012 to May 2013, to the detriment of his own case and knowing that after missing all deadlines even trying would be useless, unless the judge agreed to create a precedent for him of course.

This seemingly absurd timeline means that Robson had a big reason for waiting, or/and he didn’t want to win the case, and his goal was a different one.

THE BIG REASON FOR WAITING

In my opinion the real reason why Robson waited for so long was because he was kept in a standby mode.

He was waiting for something to happen (or not to happen) and it was only after a certain event took place that his participation and efforts were required. And the goal of his complaint was actually not so much to win the case in court, but utterly demolish Jackson’s reputation.

This hypothesis makes us look at other events taking place at the time of Robson’s budding story and search for those who might be interested in keeping Robson on standby. And if you look around you will notice that the event forming a background for Robson’s “transformational” period in life was a lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson against AEG Live.

Why do I mention AEG again? Because there was no other more or less meaningful case connected with Michael Jackson taking place right at that time and running parallel to Robson’s story-in-wait.

If their parallel cases were not a coincidence and AEG did pay to Robson for making allegations against Michael, the big reason for Robson’s waiting could be his dependence on whether the AEG case went to trial or not, and in case it did his allegations were to be used as a “final” argument against MJ.

If this hypothesis is correct then Robson’s standby mode means that his participation in the project was optional and his efforts were required only in case all other opportunities for tossing out Katherine Jackson’s claim were exhausted.

However the AEG case did go to trial and when the prospect of losing $1.5 billion became too real Robson’s so-called “molestation” story came into play and was used as the deadliest argument possible to extinguish the opponent.

Please note that I am not justifying AEG Live or Robson in the least – all I am trying to explain is the possible motive for their actions and the reason why Robson was waiting.

To be fair to AEG, coincidences do happen in life and therefore it would be absolutely not enough to make conclusions solely on the grounds that the two cases were running parallel to each other.

To find real proof we need to check whether the progress of Robson’s case depended on the progress of AEG’s case, and find certain correlations between the crucial turns in the AEG case and the steps taken (or not taken) by Wade Robson right at the same time.

If these correlations are found, the chances that Robson’s allegations were instigated by AEG Live will be very high.

And you know what? I did look it up and found a lot of correlations, only they began not at once, but at about March 2012. Prior to that moment the events developed with no noticeable connection with each other, however afterwards the rainfall of coincidences began to drop, then rain and then pour.

“COINCIDENCES”

In terms of coincidences the year 2011 was uneventful:

On February 24, 2011 judge Yvette Palazuelos rejected AEG’s request to dismiss Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit and allowed it to proceed.

At the same time, in February 2011 Wade Robson was in negotiations with the Estate about his direction of the Immortal show. Later he said that in April 2011 he had the first breakdown but didn’t realize that it was connected with his so-called “sexual abuse”.

On June 1st, 2011 the judge scheduled the tentative date of the AEG trial for September 10, 2012.

In July 2011 Robson was still heard saying that he would be directing the Immortal show.

In autumn 2011 Conrad Murray’s trial took place and on November 7, 2011 he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Michael Jackson’s death.

In 2012 the first coincidences began to occur:

On March 26, 2012 Katherine Jackson’s lawyers filed their first amended complaint and asked for a jury trial. Their request was granted.

It was also in March that Robson had his so-called “second breakdown”. He described it as a “turning point” when he decided for the first time to “talk to someone about him and MJ”.

In May AEG Live asked the judge to postpone the trial by seven months, from September 2012 to April the following year. The reason cited by the AEG lawyers was that they needed more time to prepare their case due to its complexity.  I looked up the LA Superior Court records for the Katherine Jackson vs AEG case (No. BC445597) and found that the exact date for the AEG Live postponement request was May 9, 2012.

And this is when a really meaningful coincidence took place. The day prior to that, on May 8, 2012 Robson approached a therapist and told the story of his alleged abuse for the first time.

Coincidence or not, but by the first trial date in September 2012 Robson would have not made it – his story was still to be elaborated on, legal papers to be prepared, the condo to be sold, real abuse victims to be contacted for studying their experience, etc. etc. In short a lot was to be done, and surprisingly, it was exactly at that moment that AEG said they “needed more time to prepare their case”.

Several months later a much more important coincidence took place.

In early September 2012 the LA Times obtained a package of 120 emails between the AEG Live executives and quoted some of them in their article. The quotations were few but even this was enough to show that AEG knew of Michael’s poor condition weeks before his death but still pushed him to perform 50 concerts and intensely rehearse (a demand they didn’t even have the right to make). The emails made a row in the press and produced a negative impression on the public as they contradicted AEG’s official story that “everything was fine”.

The situation with those emails is best described in the article below dated September 3, 2012. Here are some quotes from it:

September 3rd, 2012, 14:28 GMT · By Elena Gorgan

Besides confirming that AEG was always in the know about Michael’s poor condition,  the series of emails also reveal a much sadder truth: they knew and still pushed him on and on, until he could no more.

Not even when Kenny Ortega, who had worked with him for 20 years, and was in charge of the show tried to sound the alarm, did they listen.

“There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior. I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP,” he wrote in another message, trying to get Michael some help.

He was told to do his job and not turn into a psychiatrist when none was needed.

That was Michael’s final week. Summoned for one last time and urged not to miss any more rehearsals or face financial hell for breach of contract, he gave it his best for 2 days in a row, and then asked Murray to help him sleep. He, in turn, pumped his body full of drugs and killed him.

“Michael’s death is a terrible tragedy, but life must go on. AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd,” Phillips wrote to a colleague in August 2009.

Full text: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Leaked-Emails-Reveal-Michael-Jackson-s-Sad-Condition-Before-Comeback-Shows-289766.shtml

When the emails were leaked the AEG officials were said to be “livid with rage” and on September 4, 2012 their attorneys filed a motion for monetary sanctions against the Jacksons whom they considered responsible for the leak. The fright was so big that the AEG lawyers insisted that the emails should be banned from trial.

The AEG motion was denied and their case suffered a huge setback – the emails showed the AEG executives the cold and ruthless liars they really are, and seeing that the public opinion shifted in favor of Michael Jackson and the sympathies of the majority were on the side of his family, some drastic measures had to be taken to reverse the trend and put a stop to any further sympathy for Jackson.

And what is a better method than accuse him of pedophilia? The method is a well-proven one and was tried at least twice during Michael’s lifetime, and the third accusation could deliver a lethal blow to his reputation, especially since he was not here to defend himself. Even if the accusation was bogus and the case was tossed out all the necessary damage would still be done through bad publicity and a horrible trashing of his name in the press.

It is one thing to be involved in the death of a legend and be stigmatized for life because of that, and it is totally different thing if the decedent was a criminal no one will ever be sorry about … see my point?

It is an incredible coincidence, but from judge Beckloff’s ruling we now know that it was exactly in the midst of the AEG email scandal that Robson suddenly informed his friends and relatives that he had an “extremely sensitive legal matter” at hand and he was entering a “transformational” period of his life.

Indeed, the AEG scandal broke out on September 2, 2012 and Robson’s email was on September 7, 2012, so right after AEG realized that their chances had greatly diminished, Robson’s project received a powerful push and Robson told his family and friends to get themselves ready for a legal marathon.

So what was essentially a turning point in the AEG case was also a turning point in Robson’s case.

However at that moment it was yet unclear whether the AEG case would go forward and reach the stage of a trial. There were some other possibilities for AEG and one of them was the same that was recently taken by the Estate lawyers – a motion for summary judgment that can stop the case without taking it to a trial (summary judgment is used to show to the judge that there is actually no case).

On November 30, 2012 AEG’s lawyers filed a summary judgment motion asking to dismiss the entire lawsuit.

It took three months for the judge to think it over and on February 27, 2013 she finally issued her order – all Katherine Jackson’s claims except one were tossed out, however one claim (that AEG were negligent in hiring the doctor) was allowed to go to trial.

But even at this stage the case could still be thrown out – if the Appellate court reversed the judge’s decision.  So around March 15, 2013 the AEG lawyers filed legal documents with the Court of Appeal in California to dismiss that one remaining claim.

As an added argument against Katherine’s lawsuit their documents to the appellate court stated the wrong sum of $40 billion allegedly demanded by her from AEG Live. The wrong sum hit the press and created an ocean of ridicule and scorn for the Jackson family. In the meantime Marvin Putnam, attorney for AEG said that he was “confident that the courts of this state will find the law does not allow Mrs. Jackson’s claim. Any other outcome would wreak havoc on California’s business community.”

However on March 21, 2013 the appeal was denied and the case went forward. The jury selection was to start about two weeks later, on April 2.

You won’t believe it but after staying in a seemingly limbo state for almost half a year, it was at that very moment that Robson resurfaced again and exactly on March 21. This is the date when put his condo on sale in order to move to Hawaii thus making another serious step toward “transformation” of his life.

And again, Robson took that decision on a day which was a big turning point in AEG’s case – as soon as the AEG trial became imminent Robson suddenly decided to leave.

Robson's condo sold

Robson’s condo sold

The listed price of his condo was $789,000.

There were several offers but the one that was accepted by Robson was $36,000 more than the asking price, thus bringing the sale price to $825,000.

The offer arrived on April 29, 2013, and by pure coincidence (of course) it was the day that the AEG trial started with its opening statements.

The sale of Robson’s condo is listed in the sale records of the estate agency as a tenancy-in-common deal which is explained by the agency as an “arrangement where two or more people, related or not, hold joint ownership of a home.”

Interesting, but the fact that the condo was bought by several individuals and for a sum above the market price corresponds very well with other people’s suppositions about that sale found on the web. So it isn’t only me who thinks that someone helped Robson to sell and relocate to Havaii:

  • The timeline says it all, doesn’t it? I bet following the trail to the “real” purchasers, we’ll find a sponsor/backer. It’s all too convenient and coincidental. I’d expect the purchaser to be a trust of some sort to hide the true identity of the buyer. I think once the paperwork is filed with the state that gets published–not sure when, tho.
  • Yeah, I think you’re right that the owner will be some sort of trust if this timing “coincidence” isn’t really a coincidence. Not sure how easy it will be to find, though. In my home state, you can easily look up who owns what property, free of charge. In Los Angeles County, the tax records that show owners seem to be available only for a huge fee, and you have to write in an application to LA County to get access. This is probably to ward off celebrity stalkers or something.

http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/showthread.php?39483-Wade-Robson-Claim/page29

But the most incredible coincidence took place two days later, on May 1, 2013 when Robson suddenly made his allegations against MJ and it happened just a couple of days after the opening of the AEG trial on April 29.

Can you imagine that the previous summer he decided to file a claim against a deceased person, but then kept it on hold for another 8 months missing all deadlines, and then decided to still complain when it was already useless – and it accidentally coincided with opening a trial against the company considered more or less responsible for the death of that person?  

When you try to imagine it you understand that there is something terribly wrong about coincidences like that.

While everyone was talking about the horrible Michael Jackson instead of the company that in this or that way contributed to Michael’s death, Robson was finalizing the matter with his condo. TMZ reported that he “closed escrow” on May 8th.

“Closing escrow” means that the money was paid to the seller through an escrow agent who held the seller’s documents until the buyers transferred money to the agent who then forwarded it to the seller.

Such deals are common, and the only uncommon thing about Robson’s deal was that the period between the contract date (April 29) and the closing date (May 8) was short.

One commenter said that “the process of getting to closing is complicated, typically requiring a title search, property inspection, property appraisal, mortgage approval, and all sorts of other paperwork. The only ways that a closing can come so soon after a contract are (1) the buyer was pre-approved for the mortgage before executing the contract OR (2) the sale was a cash transaction, not requiring a mortgage loan”.

So either those several individuals in a tenancy-in-common deal were all pre-approved for the mortgage, or Robson received cash.

TMZ was uncharacteristically ironic about that sale:

Wade Robson Skipping Town After Filing MJ Molestation Claim

5/13/2013 5:00 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Can’t believe that “good riddance” was said to Robson by TMZ. They definitely know something that we don’t

Wade Robson’s wasting no time hightailing it out of L.A. after alleging Michael Jackson molested him — he just unloaded his Santa Monica condo — and is leaving Cali for good.

Wade listed the condo March 21 for $789,000 and closed escrow May 8. And get this — he scored more than the asking price — $825,000.

It’s not an outlandish leap to think the timing isn’t coincidental. We broke the story this week … Wade filed a creditor’s claim against MJ’s estate May 1 … claiming the King of Pop molested him over a 7-year period when he was a kid.

Sources tell us, Wade, his wife and son plan to lay down roots in the Aloha state … where his wife grew up.
Check out the condo and all its amenities.  Repressed memories not included.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/13/wade-robson-michael-jackson-sells-la-condo/

Well, if even TMZ says that “it’s not an outlandish leap to think the timing isn’t coincidental” then my supposition of a correlation between the developments in the AEG case and the corresponding changes in Robson’s behavior are not that outlandish at all.

Indeed, each time the AEG case took an important turn, it was as if by some miracle that Robson echoed it with a certain action on his part.

Here it is once again in case you forgot:

  • March 26, 2012 – Katherine’s lawyers ask for a jury trial.
  • March 2012 – Robson has a second breakdown described by him as a “turning point”.
  • May 8, 2012 – Robson discloses his alleged abuse to a therapist.
  • May 9, 2012 – AEG lawyers ask for a postponement of the trial until next year as “they need more time to prepare their case”.
  • September 2, 2012 – AEG emails are leaked to the press making AEG “livid with rage” and sending them to seek punishment for the Jackson family.
  • September 7, 2012 – Robson sends an email to over 30 people warning them of a certain transformation in his life and a highly sensitive legal matter being on the way.
  • November 2012 – end of February 2013 – the judge is looking into the AEG motion for summary judgment and finally allows one claim to go forward.
  • Same period or even longer (six months from September 2012) – nothing is heard of Robson and his actions.
  • March 21, 2013 – the AEG appeal for a dismissal of Katherine Jackson’s case is declined. Now the case will go to trial.
  • Same day, March 21, 2013 – Robson puts his condo on sale.
  • April 29, 2013 – the AEG trial opens
  • May 1, 2013 – Robson files a creditor’s claim against the Estate citing “molestation” twenty years ago as a reason for his claiming money. “He always remembered that it was rape but only now realized it was molestation”.
  • On May 8th Robson closes the deal for his condo and approximately a week later is spotted in Hawaii.  On May 10th he files a civil claim against the MJ corporations.

The above timeline is a good illustration why Robson waited with making his complaint, and why his activity came in fits and starts, and why he missed all deadlines even after deciding to take legal action in September 2012.

It looks like he wasn’t his own master and following the initial agreement to smear MJ (apparently for a very good reward) he had to wait for the outcome of the AEG preliminary court proceedings. He depended on the way their situation was developing and this is why was missing deadline after deadline to the detriment of his own case.

The paradox is that the same supposition means that involving Robson in their project was optional for AEG too, and if it had not come to a trial stage they would have probably not used his fraudulent molestation story as the heaviest “argument” against Jackson.

Or they could have still used it (it depends on the degree of their villainy) as a sort of a final touch to their story, so that no one feels sorry about Michael Jackson’s death.

All of it absolutely does not mean that the trial shouldn’t have taken place – that case was a complete must, only it should have been handled in a different way.

DISPOSITION OF FORCES NOW

When I ask myself if I believe that two years after those events a certain corporation may be still funding the two frivolous “molestation” cases that are dragging on and on, my honest answer will be no, I don’t believe it very much.

They could have paid to Robson for taking part in the scam and could have even added Safechuck to bolster his case, but paying to their lawyers for two years on a regular basis and for the future appeals too?

No, this would require of them too much dedicated hatred towards Jackson (of which I am not sure), and secondly, the owner of AEG Live is stingy (Tim Leiweke called him a “paranoid scrooge”), so he would probably not be too willing to sponsor the project until the end of his life.

Sometimes people engage themselves in adventurous projects hoping to get a quick result, but when the plan acquires a tendency for dragging, they may be unwilling to go on, especially when their own immediate goal of winning the case has been achieved and the services rendered by their partner have already been paid for.

In cases like that the partner may be left on his own and have to deal with the consequences of his actions all by himself.

Of course, the present participation of this corporation in Robson/Safechuck case cannot be ruled out, but a more likely scenario is that those who always hated Michael Jackson saw here an opportunity for themselves and it is they who are now supporting the two rogues  – either financially or by giving publicity to their cases, which is actually a key method when it comes to extorting money and smearing someone’s name.

In a “cooperation” like this each side is pursuing its own goal – Robson/Safechuck and their lawyers want a settlement, and those who have steadily worked against Michael since 1993 want to do away with Michael’s legacy and as an ultimate goal ruin his Estate.

Funny, but in a disposition like this it may turn out that Robson/Safechuck’s lawyers may indeed be working on a contingency basis, at least at the moment. The lawyers should not necessarily be involved in the scam – they may be doing it for the sake of their own publicity, and since they have already invested so much effort in this case there is no other way for them but move forward and fight tooth and nail to win a settlement. Otherwise it will be a colossal loss for them in terms of money and reputation.

The remaining parties are the poor Michael Jackson who is continued to be heavily trashed in this sad saga, and the two liars who have voluntarily put themselves in a situation which deserves scorn and ridicule from whichever side you look at it.

Robson, for example, will have to explain now why he waited for 8 months with filing his claim and did it only when it became totally useless, and in doing so he is facing a fantastic prospect of having to say that he was not only “raped” but he also “enjoyed it” and it was due to his “shame” that it took him so long to admit it.

I wonder if the money paid to him is worth all this humiliation, in addition to the stigma of a liar he will carry for the rest of his life.  After all one day his own son will learn how his father supposedly lied under oath in court and will read how much he “liked anal sex” and no remonstrations from his father that it never happened will ever help.

When will liars understand that the truth will become known anyway and it is ultimately them who will suffer most?

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  1. sanemjfan permalink
    January 12, 2017 1:23 am

    Helena,
    Have you heard about this yet? Wade Robson was shopping a book deal in 2012, just shortly before going public with his accusations against MJ in 2013! http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/338-busted-wade-robson-got-caught-hiding-evidence-and-shopping-a-tell-all-book

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  2. July 19, 2016 1:19 pm

    Reblogged this on Michael Jackson – Fact or Fiction and commented:
    A more indepth timeline of the coincidence between Wade Robson’s story and AEG

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  3. April 18, 2016 10:28 am

    Well, obviously, Wade cares more about his own profit than for his old friendship with Michael. I believe that the only moment when he most probably cared about him was when he was a child. Seeing him and Safeshuck now, come with those claims years later when they spent some of the most beautiful and innocent moments with Michael in their childhood, is truly sad. I understand now more than ever that quote:

    “When children see Michael Jackson they see a human being. When adults see him, they see money.”

    So we should take in count the risk that many of those who adored Michael as children, will come against him as adults, because it’s convenient that way.

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  4. July 25, 2015 9:09 am

    Billy James, what you say sounds incredible, not impossible. Maybe Sneddon was at the time hoping for help. Now the material, like Helena says, should be given to the estate.

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  5. July 24, 2015 5:24 am

    “Nervous breakdown is a lay term. Not a diagnostic term. A bad spell of crying could be called nervous breakdown. Here there is not even any diagnosis. Nor on personality, neither on cause of alleged acute distress.”- wkatriina22

    Exactly!

    “Now those court papers talk about evaluation and hiring the doctor as an expert. I agree that Wade should be evaluated by an expert, that is by a forensic psychiatrist.”

    Oh, it would be great if the Estate lawyers hired really good experts who would evaluate Robson (and Safechuck) and finally tell us what’s the matter with these guys. For all we know it may be anything, up to schizophrenia.

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  6. July 24, 2015 4:22 am

    “This story was already made up in 2005, I have proof that Tom Sneddon supplied the Robsons with all the information they needed to take this scam as far as they have. Don’t be fooled by Wade’s lawyers attempts at so called discovery, the Robsons had everything in boxes stored at Wade’s house. I know this because my cousin was one of the movers employed to pack up his house when it was sold” – Billy James

    Billy James, could you specify please what move you are talking about? The house was sold in 2013, just prior to the beginning of the AEG trial. If your cousin indeed saw in Robson’s house at the time the boxes with exclusive documents related to 2005 this information should be provided to the Estate and not to Wade’s lawyers. Or do I misunderstand something here?

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  7. Billy James permalink
    July 24, 2015 1:29 am

    I’m sorry but I don’t believe for one second that Wade had some sort of breakdown and might be the reason that he is accusing MJ. He had this thing researched before he went to a lawyer and he had people in place to help him make up his story and to promote it in the tabloid press. That doesn’t in any way signify a breakdown it in fact shows that it is a great big lie and he is a fraud.

    This story was already made up in 2005, I have proof that Tom Sneddon supplied the Robsons with all the information they needed to take this scam as far as they have. They were provided with enough real dates, names and witnesses as well as the means to make it look convincing. Don’t be fooled by Wade’s lawyers attempts at so called discovery, the Robsons had everything in boxes stored at Wade’s house. I know this because my cousin was one of the movers employed to pack up his house when it was sold, and when he saw what was in those boxes he knew exactly what he was seeing because I had told him what to look out for as soon as I heard where he was working that day. Those boxes had 2005 dates on them and I have the photos my cousin took to prove it. He also took what photos he could of the contents but someone got suspicious so he had to stop. I have contacted Wade’s lawyers and told them I know everything and giving them my full details. If they don’t stop this lawsuit now I will expose them and their client. I will be posting these photos on Instagram soon, watch out for them I will give the link once it’s done.

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  8. July 23, 2015 4:28 pm

    nervous breakdown is a lay term.Not a diagnostic term..”Lets keep this nebulous” is what it means.

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  9. July 23, 2015 4:23 pm

    The word nervous (or did he claim mental?),either way neither is a word used in a professional context.The part of these words, break,would imply a breakdown of normal psychological function,ie psychosis or deep depresssion bordering on psychotic. Now those court papers talk about evaluation and hiring the doctor as an expert. I agree that Wade should be evaluated by an expert, that is by a forensic psychiatrist. Such could rightly be called an expert in this case. A bad spell of crying could be called nervous breakdown. Here there is not even any diagnosis. Not on personality, neither on cause of alleged acute distress.

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  10. July 23, 2015 1:37 pm

    Hi Helena, Hope you are fine. Came across this link today and thought of sharing this as you might find it useful. http://vallieegirl67.com/2015/07/13/lawyers-for-michael-jacksons-estate-blast-wade-robson-over-psych-report-fight-this-is-absurd/#comments – Suparna

    Hi Suparna and thank you. I’ve also been following the story that Robson objects to the report of his own psychiatrist to be submitted to the Estate and am completely amazed by it – the complaint was made on its basis and now he does not want the other side to see it? This is ridiculous.

    So the story is becoming even more interesting. And if the Estate has all his medical records it could turn into a super thriller.

    Here is the document where the Estate lawyers are blasting Robson for fighting their subpoena for a psychologist’s report: http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Robson-signed.pdf

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  11. July 23, 2015 1:08 pm

    “I’m sorry but I don’t believe for one second that Wade had some sort of breakdown and might be the reason that he is accusing MJ.” – Lynande51

    Lynande51, who told you that Wade had a sort of a breakdown and this might be the reason why he is accusing MJ? If this is the impression you get of my post I should immediately rewrite it as this has nothing to do with what I wanted to say.

    The most probable reason why Robson is accusing Michael is because someone paid him to do so.
    The other reason is because he is a nasty, cynical and unscrupulous guy.

    And if Robson was really abused by someone in his early childhood this is absolutely no reason for telling lies about his old friend Michael Jackson. There is simply no connection between one thing and the other.

    If you or I were abused in our childhood we won’t point our fingers at a wrong guy and will say everything the way it really was. If we don’t and point at someone different, it will be an intentional assassination of this person’s character, a horrible insult and a most vicious crime.

    This is what Robson is doing to MJ.

    And I am simply analyzing Robson’s story and if he claims that he was molested for 6 years (from 1991 to 1997 as far as I remember) and says that “until the age of 30 he didn’t realize that he was a victim of molestation” the story he himself is telling is a clear indication that he is a liar.

    Because if he was indeed molested it could happen to him only in his very early childhood. From age 9 to 15 people know what is happening to them and who is doing what, while in their very early childhood they might be very confused and may not even remember.

    And I investigated the possibility of him being abused at a very early age and found that such a possibility did exist.

    That is all.

    If my post creates a different impression, please tell me which part I need to rewrite or which point I need to refocus on to make it finally clear to everyone.

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  12. lynande51 permalink
    July 23, 2015 7:54 am

    I’m sorry but I don’t believe for one second that Wade had some sort of breakdown and might be the reason that he is accusing MJ. He had this thing researched before he went to a lawyer and he had people in place to help him make up his story and to promote it in the tabloid press.
    That doesn’t in any way signify a breakdown it in fact shows that it is a great big lie and he is a fraud.

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  13. July 22, 2015 7:11 am

    There may also be bi-polarity.It is not that easy to say as nobody has any hunch of the type of his breakdowns. Now they, neuropsychiatrists, are working on refined methods of ” seeing” into brains. I met one at a party last week, not in any professional capacity. He had flown in from Holland for a private party and we had an interesting conversation. How much of this is now used in real practice and where I dont know. If this is the case with Wade he will need medication.Not that terrible as also new and better have come out. But of course the first step would be diagnosis. He has sounded pretty grandious at times.So also this latest idea of his.,ie going “the way of accusations, hoping for a trial.

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  14. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    July 22, 2015 6:52 am

    Repentance and sincere apologies is what he has to work on in therapy. And, I sort of maybe somewhat suspect he has a narcissistic personality.Those are tough to change in therapy. But there are people specialising .Nobody promised him a rose.. i mean an exceptional career in dancing. But he will just have to struggle along like most of us mortals .

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  15. July 22, 2015 4:15 am

    “With good and therapy for a sufficient time there should be no difficulty for him to continue his career.” -wkatriina22

    Wkatriina22, I agree that Robson needs therapy and also needs to be struck with something heavy on his head (to bring him to his senses), but hoping that he will continue his career after what he did to Michael? What he did is deeply cynical and ruthless. And unforgivable.
    Though I understand that you are talking like a doctor should.

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  16. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    July 21, 2015 4:28 pm

    I dont doubt that Wade had 2 mental breakdowns and did seek therapy . However I have not seen anywhere how long and how freqent his therapy sessions were, not to speak of content.
    The latter is confidential naturally.Billing would not be. .I think, or to be 100% correct, I speculate,but as someone with expierience, that Wade had suicidal ideation. This is relatively common in people seeking psych. help and does not mean that many of them will ever make a serious attempt..However such thoughts, if he had them, would increase his sense of guilt as a father of a young boy.—With good and therapy for a sufficient time there should be no difficulty for him to continue his career.

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  17. July 15, 2015 2:08 am

    You are welcome Susannerb. Looks like Wade is getting entangled in his own web. 🙂

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  18. susannerb permalink*
    July 14, 2015 2:21 pm

    Thank you, Suparna, for the link, which also includes the link to the latest legal document of the Estate lawyers. It is an answer to Robson’s motion to deny the defendants access to his psychological reports.

    I would like to quote the last part of it where the Estate lawyers express explicitly what they think about Robson’s credibility and his attempts to hide his true motivations. I’m glad that they speak it out clearly:

    “At the risk of understating the point, Robson’s credibility in this case will be key. Robson filed a lawsuit seeking money damages, where he accused a dead man (four years after his death) of some of the most heinous crimes imaginable, all while knowing that the dead man obviously could not respond to his allegations. His suit seeks to recover for acts allegedly committed three decades ago. Yet, knowing the natural handicap the Corporate Defendants are already under in attempting to defend themselves – i.e., that the only other “witness” to these acts has been deceased for six years – Robson is attempting to shut down key discovery that will test his credibility. At the risk of again understating the issue, there are already very obvious reasons to doubt Robson’s credibility – e.g., his prior testimony in a criminal case as a sophisticated adult, where he unequivocally denied abuse knowing that his testimony would shed further doubt on the claims made by another alleged “victim”, along with documents other doctors have disclosed in this case, which tend to show that Robson’s motivation for filing this action four years after Michael’s death were not as pure as he would like a Court and jury to believe. That Robson is attempting to shut down discovery that will go to the key issue of Robson’s credibility raises further serious concerns about Robson’s credibility and motivations for filing this suit. One cannot help but asking: What is Robson so concerned about this Doctor disclosing?”

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  19. July 14, 2015 9:30 am

    Hi Helena,

    Hope you are fine. Came across this link today and thought of sharing this as you might find it useful.

    http://vallieegirl67.com/2015/07/13/lawyers-for-michael-jacksons-estate-blast-wade-robson-over-psych-report-fight-this-is-absurd/#comments

    Regards

    Suparna

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  20. June 28, 2015 4:56 pm

    Guys, while I am a little busy at the moment please have a look at the brief prepared by the Estate in support of their demurrer to Robson’s third amended complaint (within his civil case against MJ’s corporations): http://ru.scribd.com/doc/269738314/MJ-Estate-Reply-to-Robson-Opposition

    The hearing on this matter will be in a couple of days – on June 30, 2015.

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  21. nannorris permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:43 pm

    susannerb
    You also mentioned this in Wades papers
    ——
    When I read Robson’s opposition to the Estate demurrer, one absurdity became obvious again:
    Robson claims that one of Michael’s employees “forbade Mrs. Robson from seeing (Wade) Robson while he was with Jackson, prohibited her from sleeping in the same house as Jackson and Robson and instructed ranch employees not to speak with her” on their first visit at Neverland.

    That sounds like someone /group / whatever ……IF he had help with this stuff,………… pulling from Janet Arvizo testimony , which was ridiculous
    But it seems like he has tried to pull alot of disproved, paid for stories into his stuff, same as JS, which makes me think he/they are bailing out some old MJ detractors / now, have become ..new allies , .
    We all know that different factions , have been known to work together to enable their own causes and concerns

    Almost makes me think , people who had a lot invested in the manufactured Arvizo case and possibly other accusations proved false in court , were trying to clear their own reputations ..Of course , that would only be my personal opinion..

    As far as the estate attys being employees supposedly enabling MJ …I find it hard to believe that , if his lawyers and surrounding people were complacent in a cover up , they would had allowed Jackson to go through with being stripped and CLEARED ,, over the Chandler accusations which resulted in the police leaving without an arrest , no indictment etc.

    They would have paid the Chandlers the paltry sum , compared to a billion dollars in deals’ ,up front .to avoid negative publicity.
    They wouldnt have accrued the debt of the wasted tour etc ,……. they would have gone, the cost effective way to begin with , and supposedly saving a guilty man from jail..
    NO
    Their concern was their brand being tied up in red tape and sordid stories ,and a big show trial,even thought he was essentially cleared , which ended up to be shot down in 2005 , but this is a way to shake a brand and get a settlement ..
    It worked in 94 and that is why Larry Feldman was back with this clown case in 2005, and we are seeing it again now .

    Unfortunately for Robson /Safechuck…, MJ isnt around to cringe at the thought of these accusations and the world wondering what his privates look like, yet again , so they are not giving in, thank God.

    But anyway , IF the lawyers ,,were doing something deceptive , wouldnt they take the precaution of covering everything with the Robsons , in case the got greedy , or became” unbrainwashed” in the future ?
    Because their big thing was people going to the tabloids,,smearing the brand
    They would have insisted on a confidentiality agreement , which the Robsons would have been more than willing to sign and it never happened
    Robsons knew all about the money to be made off false stories , they have interviewed on it numerous times
    WR even mentions it is this case ..the tabloids
    But, Robsons and MJ and his people were adamant that MJ was being set up by this one, particular family, so again, in my mind it shows the corporate lawyers did nothing untoward regarding Robson.
    How much control over the situation would Jackson / corporation people have had , when this family testified under oath of their own volition , and no one that I have found asked them to sign, any confidentiality agreements , as a preemptive measure ..
    That would have been the smart thing to do, ..His legal team didnt anticipate his poverty and career tanking 20 years later , and MJ being the lottery ticket he walked by .
    Which is the reason Robson could make some cash after MJ died doing the rounds with this stuff , again JMO
    They were supposed to be so close and yet , none of them , that I am aware of , even got a token in his will..
    These people asked him to mentor Wade, much like Astair and others mentored MJ .
    From reading the testimony , of the Robson, I would say that was the extent of it , but Jackson was generous with everyone..
    I dont see alot of interviews about MJ talking about Wade, but until his flip, MJ was one of the main reasons Wade was interviewed , noticed for anything ..JMO
    No one has ever prevented the Chandlers or anyone else going to court , just not smearing the brand in the tabloids .

    If they were controlling what the Robsons were doing , they would have iniated something like that ..They didnt because , this was an isolated situation involving tabloid stories that VG had put out , with DD help
    It would have died right then , if this particular DA, as the estate figured , wasnt looking for a huge show trial , which is what he fabricated in 2005 resulting in MJ exonoration

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  22. nannorris permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:27 am

    susannerb
    you wrote :
    Does Joy Robson in interviews give the impression of a woman that can be oppressed and intimidated in this way?

    No she never has , except I notice now she isnt in a hurry to get on tv and back up her son.
    I wonder what goes through her mind, when she reads , these things out of her own sons mouth, …..that completely contradict her own testimony under oath

    As far as her not being able to stay in the house, I do remember her being asked about this , under oath,and she was adamant she stayed in the house, when she visited ,( after her initial visit , where all the Robsons , including her husband and the grandparents , were in the bungalows ) whether MJ was there or not , until MJ had his own children
    Prince was born in 97 , Paris 98, so she would have been right in the house until Wade was 15 or 16, and he is claiming abuse earlier than that ..doesnt add up
    ..She used the room that became Paris room, even describing the beautiful ornate woodwork etc, and how she was right down the hall from MJ room, could walk in any time she wanted , use his jacuzzi etc.
    She knows her son is not being truthful

    How is it possible that someone that would hunt MJ down like a bill collector , would push to meet him , without an invitation,, bringing along all Wades costumes and tapes, get 6 suitcases together , and get on a plane to move to another continent , and yet,relinquish so much control to MJ < particularly when she says , after she tracked him down in LA, she says she would talk to him all the time on the phone, before they moved ?.Would call his office people all the time, to REMIND MJ that Wade was around and needed work?
    Wade was one , of several people who came in , as a group to debunk those tabloid stories ,
    He happens to also be the only one, who now claims he was brainwashed, after years and years of positive testimony and articles about his old friend. ..and , no surprsie , he needs and wants money.

    No , imo, Wade is never expecting to explain that , nor any other members of his family, in a court of law.
    This is all damage to be done outside a courtroom,, in my opinion, for a fee already paid, and a settlement would have been icing on the cake.
    I also think these are the rantings of a narcissist , that wont or cant take responsibility for sinking his own career, several years after his mentors death. Salve for his ego
    .
    I thought I had read somewhere that WR is now saying MJ showed him adult magazines , I assume to groom him, and yet claims he was immediately accosted on his first visit.
    Again makes no sense what so ever .

    I dont think Wade ever expects to need to defend his statements in these papers he is , hiding behind tabloids and lawyers ..
    I also think there were questions Matt Lauer was not allowed to ask in his interview , as he was tweeted with several relevant questions , that were never asked, he only gave Wade slow pitches , and he could not handle even them ..
    , Many times when MJ would be interviewed , they would say he agreed to answer anything , but I dont recall that statement before Wade very short and stumbling interview
    Just as Helena pointed out with the timelines for Wade/AEG , it would seem that since the estate put that email into court, he has come out of his stupor and is calling himself a choreographer again and going through yet another transition/transformation time
    Timing is very suspicious to me , for sure .

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  23. June 23, 2015 4:40 am

    Thank you, nannorris. I also wanted to make aware of this latest document filed in the Robson civil case, and that the next hearing in this case will be on June 30.
    See the post on dailymichael: http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/302-robson-civil-case-demurrer-for-the-third-amended-civil-complaint

    When I read Robson’s opposition to the Estate demurrer, one absurdity became obvious again:
    Robson claims that one of Michael’s employees “forbade Mrs. Robson from seeing (Wade) Robson while he was with Jackson, prohibited her from sleeping in the same house as Jackson and Robson and instructed ranch employees not to speak with her” on their first visit at Neverland.
    What mother would accept this treatment, would not become suspicious and stop relationship with this person?
    But what happened? The next sentence is: “Defendants then arranged for Robson and his family to immigrate to the United States in September 1991 and obtain employment with or through defendants…” (page 7)

    How absurd is it for a mother to be treated like that and keep herself dependent on this person without necessity? What kind of mother is this to connive at this behavior and continue a relationship where she is prohibited to see her son and isolated from everybody? After this first visit at NL where they claim she was treated like that there was no need to come back. They had not yet moved to the United States, they had a life in Australia. But she ignores all these experiences, doesn’t even notice anything disturbing in her son’s behavior, who allegedly was abused the first time in his life, and voluntarily moves to the US to expect more of this treatment??? Does Joy Robson in interviews give the impression of a woman that can be oppressed and intimidated in this way?

    Robson portrays his own mother as a very uncaring mother, money-hungry, fame-hungry, star-struck, whatever, but not caring about the well-being of her children. But he doesn’t sue her, though her responsibility should be even greater than that of employees like Norma Staikos. I wonder how she feels with these claims!

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  24. nannorris permalink
    June 22, 2015 6:14 pm

    I dont know if anyone had looked at this ..It is alittle more info regarding what is happening in the most recent lawsuits .
    At the end of it , under number %5 additional information , it mentions that it would seem the estate is asking for info from doctors including billing info, if anyone is interested
    http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/302-robson-civil-case-demurrer-for-the-third-amended-civil-complaint

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  25. Jujuba permalink
    June 19, 2015 6:56 am

    I’ve been a fan for a very long time and still am. I just keep an open mind with regards to MJ’s personality and sexuality. After all, I don’t know what are his deepest thoughts. I can only be sure of his talent. The rest is speculation to me.

    Thank you for taking the time to answer me in details.

    Allow me to respond to your comments.

    “Jujuba, I also hear what you are saying. But it would be wrong to claim that we are discussing Robson’s character here. Absolutely not. We analyze facts and facts only, and I simply register his lies one after another. From these lies anyone can draw conclusions about his character all by themselves.”

    That’s what I mean. Proving that someone has an agenda based upon making money, proving that they lied, all that doesn’t prove they haven’t been abused in the first place. That’s why this is so tricky. You can always be a “bad” person and still be honest about some things.

    “One short example on how to find when Robson was telling the truth:
    – He claims he was shown “porn” by MJ.
    – But in his 2005 testimony he was surprised to learn that the magazines the prosecutors showed him belonged to MJ. We didn’t see him testify, but even the text conveys his surprise. And surprise is a spontaneous reaction, and spontaneous reactions cannot be feigned.
    So Robson is lying now and was telling the truth in 2005.”

    With all due respect, you have to admit that this is not solid proof of anything.
    You cannot be sure that spontaneous surprise is what you read in a transcript. Even if we had video of the trial, we might not be totally sure that the observed reaction is spontaneous surprise. Human emotions and how they are expressed is very hard to read, and human emotions can also be faked. That’s called acting. People in showbiz are good at that. If Wade lied during the trial, he obviously lied well, hence the impression that he was surprised.

    “You are shifting the focus from one thing to another. The Arvizos’ case was an outrage from the very start of it and everyone including the media and Zonen, investigators, etc. should admit it. Unfortunately they do not and pretend that they “had a case”. All of them keep lying and this is unpardonable. So let the media and Zonen first admit that the 2005 case is proof that Michael was a victim of malicious prosecution, and only after that any talk over the subject can be continued.”

    I couldn’t agree more. The Arvizo’s claim was really a shame. And that’s why MJ won. This is the reason he won. Because this claim was false and coming from this particular family, and because the chronology was absurd.

    “As to “other boys” there were no other boys. They scraped every corner to find them for the 2005 trial, and all of them were handled there. And please don’t tell me about Terry George.”

    Let’s not confuse the fact that some boys didn’t want to testify against MJ with the fact that there were no boys abused.
    As we see it now with Wade and Safechuck, it is possible to testify for MJ at some point and, later, claim to have been abused. True or not, it is possible.
    I know that they tried hard to find boys to testify against MJ, and I don’t think that there were boys out there that they didn’t contact. I’m talking about boys that may haven’t said the truth at the time, like Wade and Safechuck. I’m saying “may” and “truth” for the purpose of this argument. I’m not saying they all lied then.

    “As to the scam between AEG and Wade it is not supposed to prove MJ’s innocence. However it proves other things – firstly, it shows the real face of the AEG “businessmen” and how they do their “business” (including their treatment of MJ as their modus operandi was the same there), and secondly, it shows that for money Robson can say anything, especially when he is broke and his career is finished.”

    Let’s not even discuss how AEG are horrible. This is a given. They’d do anything to defend their interests, and that’s the corporate world, so that’s not even surprising.
    But again, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record, the fact that Wade is ready to say anything, true or false is a given too, since he lied at some point whichever way you think the truth is. So we know he’s not reliable, but that still makes it hard to know when he lied and when he didn’t.

    “But the most important point is that Robson’s long and telling waiting till May 1st, 2013 – until all dates for filing his claim expired – is an indication that at that moment he was NOT expecting a settlement and was therefore paid IN ADVANCE. Doing so meaningless a thing for free is impossible to imagine.”

    This is all about money for Wade, right ? So let’s just consider this as a money-making opportunity for him. Is it impossible to imagine that it was more juicy for him, even simpler, to make a deal with AEG for sure money (and even bigger money), than go out on a limb against the Estate and make a claim within the legal time-frame ?
    There can be several reasons that made him want to do things this way, and I don’t see that as being a proof of him not being abused.

    “To sum up he did it 1) for money, and 2) the idea was to smear Michael’s name (and not seek justice for himself) as otherwise taking that step at so late a time was useless. And the goal of the smear campaign was to shift the jury and public opinion in favor of AEG, and this together with other methods unfortunately worked. So what it boils down to is very simple – Robson took money to smear Michael’s name.”

    This may very well be what happened. But again, this could be the agenda for a victim of abuse as well. When you say that he didn’t “seek justice for himself”, that’s an attack (well deserved) on his character. People should be moral and not seek money or compensation in a case like this ? We know that’s not how it works. It’s almost always compensation first and justice later. If Wade was indeed abused, he may still care more about financial compensation than “justice”. What “justice” could Wade get anyway ? Now that MJ is dead, and that no hard evidence exists, there’s not really hope for traditional “justice”. What’s left is merely compensation. So maybe when Wade looked at his options, the best one was to seek for the larger amount of money. I mean, “the best one” from his perspective, obviously.

    “ “Also maybe he never really felt abused by MJ. He felt it was a special relationship and lived fine with it. But then he needed money and thought he could change his tune and that’s it.”
    The so-called “victim of rape” didn’t feel that he was abused? And realized it only when he went to a therapist? To all normal people it sounds crazy and hilarious.”

    It really depends on how you present the situation. You tell it in a way that looks ridiculous indeed. Let’s present it another way :
    Wade knew for quite some time he was raped and didn’t need a trip to the therapist to understand it. However, it was better to say that it all came to light with a therapist, because people would never accept that someone be raped, never say a word about it for years, defend their abuser in court, then change their position and ask for money when the abuser is dead and cannot defend himself.
    It depends on how you picture Wade. If you want him to be coherent and basically logical and somewhat honest, the story sounds ridiculous. If you picture him as a matter-of-fact, cold venal person, it is less hard to see a way that his claims can be true at the same time as strange and illogical.

    ” “We try to find ways to prove MJ’s innocence”.
    I’m sorry but the pronoun “we” is wrong here.”

    I sound like the devil’s advocate, and I don’t want to rain on your parade. I truly would love MJ to be vindicated once and for all, but I doubt it will ever happen.
    Wade and Safechuck claims are hard to dismiss because they are shocking and mostly because they come from people who defended MJ in the past.
    I’m really trying to be fair and logical here, I’m only pointing out to another scenario that may make sense too.

    One thing I would like to ask your opinion on, are the following two transcript excerpts from the 2005 Trial. Cross-exam of Brett Barnes’ sister. Here is what she says :

    27 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Now, Miss Barnes, how

    28 many nights have you spent at Neverland?

    6 Q. More than a 100?

    7 A. I don’t remember, but maybe.

    16 Q. Okay. And of that 100 nights, how many

    17 nights was your brother there?

    18 A. All the time.

    22 Q. And of those hundred or so nights, 80

    23 percent of the time your brother slept — when Mr.

    24 Jackson was there, your brother basically slept in

    25 Mr. Jackson’s room virtually every one of those

    26 nights, didn’t he?

    1 A. Yes.

    17 Q.Now, when you went on tour with Mr. Jackson,

    19 you spent how many nights on tour?

    20 A. Well, as I said, it was about half the year

    21 I was in Europe when I was in the seventh grade, and

    22 about half of the year I was in South America in the

    23 seventh — in the eighth grade.

    27 Q. And virtually every night on that tour, Mr.

    28 Jackson slept with your brother Brett?

    1 A. Yes.

    2 Q. How many nights would that have been,

    3 approximately?

    4 A. Let’s see, let’s divide 365 days into half.

    5 Q. Okay. Is that about it? About —

    6 A. Well, if I said I spent half the year

    7 overseas with him one year and half of the year

    8 overseas with him the other year, I think that would

    9 total about 365 days altogether.

    10 Q. Okay. So 365 nights he spent the night

    11 alone with your brother in his room?

    12 A. Yes.
    _________________________

    So roughly, Brett spent 450 nights in Michael’s room.
    Maybe not always alone with him, maybe with other boys some of those nights, maybe most of those nights with other boys.
    Some of those nights, there may have been a girl in the room too, but less than 1% of the nights, according to the testimonies.
    Some of those nights Michael may have slept on the floor. But it is safe to assume he wouldn’t be sleeping on the floor for a year and a half.

    So what do you make of this ? Given that Brett is just one of the boys and those friendships overlapped with each other, and it is likely that this sleeping situation was happening during most of the nineties, a part of the eighties and 00’s.
    When Michael talks about boys occasionally sleeping in his room, him sleeping on the floor, etc, it’s not exactly the same thing as having boys in his room almost every night for years.

    This was, for me, the most problematic testimony of all the trial.
    Mesereau didn’t even try to come back to it in re-direct because it was truly not the kind of things he wanted to dwell on.
    The depiction of casual sleepovers doesn’t match with the massive amount of sleepovers that actually happened.
    Of course, this isn’t proof of any wrongdoing, this doesn’t mean abuse happened.
    But still, it’s a lot of nights, probably several hundreds of nights (overall) that MJ spent alone with a boy in the same bed.
    Is there a way to explain that in a healthy way ?
    I would truly like to have your opinion on this.

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  26. June 18, 2015 7:06 am

    “I hear what you and Helena are saying. But Wade Robson’s character is not really the main point here, ultimately. He may or may not be a horrible person, that has nothing to do with the fact that he was or wasn’t abused. Being a victim of sexual abuse doesn’t make you a moral person or an honest person.” Jujuba

    Jujuba, I also hear what you are saying. But it would be wrong to claim that we are discussing Robson’s character here. Absolutely not. We analyze facts and facts only, and I simply register his lies one after another. From these lies anyone can draw conclusions about his character all by themselves.

    He may have lied to protect Michael for years. He may be lying now. But attacking his character does not prove he was never abused by MJ. It just proves he’s venal.

    Again, no one here is attacking his character – this is what YOU keep saying which is not true. Though of course Robson is a liar all right whichever way you look at him. He lied either in 2005 or now. But there is one good thing about anyone’s lies – they can be checked, and by checking them up we can find out when a person was telling the truth.

    The purpose of this blog is not so much to catch someone lying (and pass judgment on him) but learn the truth – about Michael, about Robson, about Sneddon and about lots of other people around MJ. It is about restoring the reality the way it really was and not the way others are trying to portray it.

    One short example on how to find when Robson was telling the truth:
    – He claims he was shown “porn” by MJ.
    – But in his 2005 testimony he was surprised to learn that the magazines the prosecutors showed him belonged to MJ. We didn’t see him testify, but even the text conveys his surprise. And surprise is a spontaneous reaction, and spontaneous reactions cannot be feigned.
    So Robson is lying now and was telling the truth in 2005.

    Should the truth be exposed about a deal between AEG and Wade, would it be a definitive evidence of MJ’s innocence ? Unfortunately, no. The Arvizo’s were absolutely dishonest and their lies exposed during the trial. There’s no doubt about it. But it didn’t prove nothing happened with Jordy or other boys.

    You are shifting the focus from one thing to another. The Arvizos’ case was an outrage from the very start of it and everyone including the media and Zonen, investigators, etc. should admit it. Unfortunately they do not and pretend that they “had a case”. All of them keep lying and this is unpardonable. So let the media and Zonen first admit that the 2005 case is proof that Michael was a victim of malicious prosecution, and only after that any talk over the subject can be continued.

    As to “other boys” there were no other boys. They scraped every corner to find them for the 2005 trial, and all of them were handled there. And please don’t tell me about Terry George.

    As to the scam between AEG and Wade it is not supposed to prove MJ’s innocence. However it proves other things – firstly, it shows the real face of the AEG “businessmen” and how they do their “business” (including their treatment of MJ as their modus operandi was the same there), and secondly, it shows that for money Robson can say anything, especially when he is broke and his career is finished.

    But the most important point is that Robson’s long and telling waiting till May 1st, 2013 – until all dates for filing his claim expired – is an indication that at that moment he was NOT expecting a settlement and was therefore paid IN ADVANCE. Doing so meaningless a thing for free is impossible to imagine.

    To sum up he did it 1) for money, and 2) the idea was to smear Michael’s name (and not seek justice for himself) as otherwise taking that step at so late a time was useless. And the goal of the smear campaign was to shift the jury and public opinion in favor of AEG, and this together with other methods unfortunately worked.

    So what it boils down to is very simple – Robson took money to smear Michael’s name.

    “Also maybe he never really felt abused by MJ. He felt it was a special relationship and lived fine with it. But then he needed money and thought he could change his tune and that’s it.”

    The so-called “victim of rape” didn’t feel that he was abused? And realized it only when he went to a therapist? To all normal people it sounds crazy and hilarious.

    We try to find ways to prove MJ’s innocence”.

    I’m sorry but the pronoun “we” is wrong here.

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  27. June 18, 2015 5:22 am

    “Look up ABC7 court news tweet about Princes testimony. There it clearly states that Prince saw randy Phillips on Michael Jackson grounds the late day or night before the day of MJ death.” – wkatriina22

    Wkatriina22, yes, and Prince’s full testimony makes it clear too. Previously I was in two minds (and thought it could be the night prior to that) as the media did everything to make that point cloudy and vague, but the full transcript of Prince’s testimony made it clear that he saw Randy Phillips and Tohme on the night of Michael’s death.

    This changes a lot and needs a serious comparison with what Randy Phillips said in his several days of testimony, same as other people testifying about seeing Phillips at the rehearsal that night.

    I wish Brian Panish had asked Prince about an hour when he saw both of them talking to Murray. But he didn’t and it is a serious oversight. The hour will have to be reconstructed by other means, and this will take time. So I am not sure I will be able to do it by June 25th, but will try to.

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  28. The Lopsided Man permalink
    June 18, 2015 1:28 am

    Jujuba, should we explain the principle behind ‘INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty’?

    And you’re wrong, HIS CHARACTER & CREDIBILITY have EVERYTHING to do with how we judge his allegations.

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  29. Jujuba permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:52 pm

    Quote:
    “””””The Lopsided Man PERMALINK
    June 11, 2015 3:07 pm
    “Wade Robson may very well be in cahoots with AEG, but that doesn’t prove he hasn’t been abused by MJ. Both things can be true at the same time.”
    That’s not how it works. Robson has to prove his current accusations…by proving that he was lying for 2 decades. More to the point, he needs to come up with a better story to explain his implausible Eureka moment than the BS he’s produced so far.”””””

    I hear what you and Helena are saying. But Wade Robson’s character is not really the main point here, ultimately. He may or may not be a horrible person, that has nothing to do with the fact that he was or wasn’t abused. Being a victim of sexual abuse doesn’t make you a moral person or an honest person.

    He may have lied to protect Michael for years. He may be lying now. But attacking his character does not prove he was never abused by MJ. It just proves he’s venal.

    Since Helena does a great job in trying to demonstrate, using logic and facts, that Wade’s claims are shaky, I think it’s important to challenge this reasoning too and see its limits.

    Should the truth be exposed about a deal between AEG and Wade, would it be a definitive evidence of MJ’s innocence ? Unfortunately, no.
    The Arvizo’s were absolutely dishonest and their lies exposed during the trial. There’s no doubt about it. But it didn’t prove nothing happened with Jordy or other boys.

    And Helena, when you say “Fine, then let him please simply admit that he received a certain amount of money for telling his story and we will finish at that.”
    You mean to say that accepting money from AEG for telling your story at a specific time in order to help AEG in their trial is a proof that the story is made up.
    It is not true.
    People sell their stories to tabloids all the time, their stories are sometimes true, sometimes not.
    Granted, it doesn’t look good for Wade if he made a deal. It evidently cast a shadow over his confessions. A moral person would probably have done differently.
    BUT, it’s still not proof he lied.
    Besides, there are ways to explain why Wade would do such a thing and still be the victim of abuse from MJ.
    The first thing that comes to mind is that Wade could desperately need money and knew he would never get it from the Estate through a regular claim. So he accepts the deal that AEG offers. Now that MJ is gone, he doesn’t feel any loyalty or friendship to honor.
    Also maybe he never really felt abused by MJ. He felt it was a special relationship and lived fine with it. But then he needed money and thought he could change his tune and that’s it.

    We try to find ways to prove MJ’s innocence, but here, I don’t see proof. I just see a venal behavior. That one is for sure, whether Wade was abused or not.

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  30. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    June 16, 2015 7:41 am

    Look up ABC7 court news tweet about Princes testimony. There it clearly states that Prince saw randy Phillips on Michael Jackson grounds the late day or night before the day of MJ death.Prince called his father about it.I am so suspicious of the AEG trial,for ex. judge stated that if a witness is evasive that will be taken into account. This ABC s testimony sometimes comes up at times others not not,That trial had so many bizzarre twists. I guess the ABC news were newer than the testimony in court.

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  31. June 15, 2015 11:11 am

    “Helena, the information for Princes testimony is only showing the first couple of lines and won’t open up the whole document from the link, do you have to be a member to read them?” – Helen-Marie

    Helen-Marie, I can see the full text without signing in. Just scroll down after the words “see more” and you should be able to see the whole transcript. It is 96 pages but each page is very short and comes together with some ads.

    Here is the link once again:http://ru.scribd.com/doc/150792108/JACKSON-V-AEG-Transcripts-Michael-Joseph-Jackson-Jr-Prince-June-26th-2013-They-re-going-to-kill-me-Michael-Jackson-told-son

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  32. Helen-Marie permalink
    June 15, 2015 4:17 am

    Helena, the information for Princes testimony is only showing the first couple of lines and won’t open up the whole document from the link, do you have to be a member to read them?

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  33. 29mj permalink
    June 14, 2015 3:38 pm

    Many thanks Helena. “Truth is everywhere, but it recognizes only one who is looking for.” Always amaze me with your excellent research and reasoning. God bless you! Justice, truth and love – always good to be winners! Thank you again to your hard and excellence work!

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  34. Jolie permalink
    June 13, 2015 10:24 pm

    A revealing two-hour interview of Tom Mesereau by The MJCast. With Charles Thomson, Q, and Jamon Bull asking some very good questions:

    The MJCast – Episode 010: Vindication Day 10th Anniversary Special With Tom Mesereau

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  35. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    June 13, 2015 9:25 am

    Add to this some other circumstances. Cut landlines. Erased security tape.Murray claiming still to feel a weak pulse ,but still not calling 911. He was quite able to reach girlfriends by phone that very morning.Despite his malpractice I do not believe he was so stupid not to know that the situation was ominous.

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  36. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    June 13, 2015 5:22 am

    Prince Jacksons revelationas were seen By AEG as threatening their case and rightly so.
    I got the impression reading them that they also subtly tried to confuse him.

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  37. susannerb permalink*
    June 13, 2015 2:37 am

    Here is another great post of Raven for today:
    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=10028

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  38. susannerb permalink*
    June 13, 2015 2:18 am

    Thank you, Helena, that you never get tired to do the necessary research for the ignorant world out there. And Raven’s post is also a great one, though it is unbelievable that it is still necessary to write this kind of posts.

    On this special day it’s worth to remember what happened 10 years ago, even if some of us were not present or didn’t pay attention at that time. It feels good that right before the 10th anniversary of Michael’s acquittal in 2005 the first step was done to turn down all of Robson’s and Safechuck’s claims against the MJ Estate. I think the fact that Judge Beckloff dismissed Robson’s creditor’s claim makes it very probable that Safechuck’s creditor’s claim will also be dismissed.
    We have to wait and see what Robson and Safechuck and their lawyers will do now. It seems they are very determined in their grim battle to get millions from the Estate – and now think of Robson’s TV interview with the Today Show in 2013 where he said that this is “not about money”! I wonder if he ever cared about his credibility in public.

    But in reality I think the accusers and their lawyers know exactly that their chance to get money from Michael Jackson’s Estate has diminished enormously now.
    This dismissal was a very important step and signal that not everybody can just come and claim money for anything Michael allegedly could have done to them during his lifetime. Beckloff probably also realized that if he didn’t scotch these efforts he would open the door to other claims just because it proved to be a lucrative method to extort money from Michael Jackson who could be accused of anything.

    But today we have reason to celebrate Michael and his innocence and we look back to this day in Santa Maria 10 years ago when so much relief spread among Michael’s supporters and his friends and family while the 14 “not guilty” decisions accumulated, when with each “not guilty” the fans cried and screamed and 14 doves were released to the sky. And when at the same time media people began to get pale and “eat crow”, couldn’t hide their disappointment and couldn’t find words. And never found words of apology.

    Michael himself was so done after this acquittal that he couldn’t celebrate it and even needed medical treatment. The photos made after the acquittal show everybody of Michael’s camp in joy, only Michael is not smiling, just terribly exhausted.

    I am sure Michael had also good days with his children after the trial, found pleasure in raising them and had hope for a new start and new plans. However, we lost him, because he probably never recovered from this trail, and those who knew him and his good character and soul will perhaps never understand what was done to this man and why so much hate is thrown at him.

    We can only be thankful that he had a few more years with his children, though the trial finally ruined him financially and emotionally. All of those who accused, sued, slandered and betrayed him, and still do it, have to live with a huge guilt until the end of their days, until they stand before their creator and have to give account for their deeds. I wouldn’t like to be in their shoes.

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  39. Jolie permalink
    June 12, 2015 8:38 pm

    I agree with you Helena. This is a great synopsis of the injustice done to Michael Jackson via Tom Sneddon and the Santa Barbara District Attorneys Office.

    For me, as each year passes since Michael’s death, the facts concerning his death and what led up to it, get clearer to understand, but much more shocking and traumatic to my heart.

    “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

    Martin Luther King, Jr.

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/06/12/michael-jackson-10-years-since-the-court-acquittal-that-eventually-killed-him

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  40. nannorris permalink
    June 12, 2015 5:34 pm

    Great article, thank you for all your hard work

    First thing, someone mentioned in the comments that WR could be in cahoots with AEG and still be a alleged victim of a crime . I just would like to mention regarding WR testimony in 2005 , where he now claims he was brainwashed , that he came in as part of a group , other than his family that were refuting tabloid stories by the same disgruntled employees that were involved with VG and DD , ..none of those people have said anything about being brainwashed into coming into court as witnesses for the defense .
    It is a ridiculous notion, but it is an excuse to be able to get on tv and make accusations , that could be beneficial to others for purposes of timing .
    Frankly I dont think Wade ever has believed he would need to defend his accusations in a court of law.
    I am with Joe Jackson on this one, like Joe , I think he already got paid, when he went on the TODAY show .,
    And he seemed like a man on a mission when the paps caught up with him , at the airport coming into NYC
    When he told them , they would have to wait for his interview on the TODAY show , it was as if he was following the orders of others.to assassinate the character of his dead friend on a bigger stage and then be able to afford to run off to Hawaii
    If he ended up getting a settlement , that is just gravy imo/The point was to bring back negative publicity and soil a dead man , so his life wouldnt be of value in case AEG lost .This is just my opinion of course

    His house was put on the market at a much lower price than he paid for it himself back in Sept 2005 , so I think he just wanted to pay his mortgage off, and get a cash buyer with no contingencies , who would be able to close on the date he needed rather quickly.
    That is why he got so much above asking ..He seems to undervalue it
    The closing date was crucial to the timing of his accusations , and he needed to be able to get out of town permanently,.
    His family was already set up there
    For most people , their home is their biggest investment and asset they will try to get as much as they can, but it isnt necessary, if you have another venue to serve , that needs specific timing , and has a much larger pot of gold they are offering you.

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  41. June 12, 2015 4:47 pm

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/06/12/michael-jackson-10-years-since-the-court-acquittal-that-eventually-killed-him – BTW

    Wow. Though I wouldn’t agree with a couple of words used by Roger Friedman but this is the best thing anyone ever wrote about Tom Sneddon, the 2005 trial and the malicious prosecution of Michael Jackson.

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  42. June 12, 2015 4:23 pm

    “The Loopsided Man, very interesting arguments. I do recall that Prince Jackson had mentioned seeing Randy Phillips on the Michael Jackson grounds at the time of the night of MJ´s death.Though I cannot find the exact text now.My intuition goes with what you postulate.As you say ;food for thought.” – wkatriina22

    WKatrina, you can find the text of Prince’s testimony here: http://ru.scribd.com/doc/150792108/JACKSON-V-AEG-Transcripts-Michael-Joseph-Jackson-Jr-Prince-June-26th-2013-They-re-going-to-kill-me-Michael-Jackson-told-son

    I’m currently reading it and it gives a lot of food for thought. Previously I read only the short of Prince’s testimony and the full testimony makes all of it much clearer. This subject needs to be revisited.

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  43. June 12, 2015 3:59 pm

    I was happy and relieved that Robson case was DISMISSED. His lies and delays went nowhere to begin with. Since he wanted that to be appealed, well, let him appeal it all he wants, but it’s still not gonna go anywhere. Plus more cases like STABchuck’s case and the civil suits. Those will never get anywhere either, that’s also proof that they wanted leech off $$$ from the Estate and they just set themselves a very bad example to everybody.

    I’m glad the judge made the right call in the Estate’s favour.

    The truth will continue to win marathons!

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  44. June 12, 2015 2:40 pm

    New article by Raven….“Planting Fake Evidence Against MJ: Just How Prevalent Is This Practice?” http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9991 – Lopsided Man

    Lopsided Man, RAVEN’S ARTICLE IS A MUST READ! After seeing so much done to Michael I thought nothing could really shock me any more, but the fact that Carlo Riley, Michael Jackson look alike was “once again asked for a photo shoot to appear as MJ to make him look as if he was harming children” – THIS I could never expect.

    It is simply incredible what Michael’s detractors are capable of. I’m lost for words.

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  45. June 12, 2015 2:27 pm

    Susannerb and Lopsided man, yes, the so-called “coincidences” continued after opening the AEG trial and when a whole package of them followed Prince’s testimony it was already clear that the trial and these unnatural phenomena had a close connection with each other.

    Following Charles Thomson I would also like to ask: “At this stage, I feel that serious questions need to be asked about what is really going on here.

    I repeat the additional so-called coincidences once again:

    On June 26 and 27, 2013, was Prince Jackson’s breakthrough testimony with very interesting revelations about AEG.
    The same day, on June 27, TMZ, Radar Online, LA Times and others released the detailed allegations of Wade Robson.

    The next day, on Friday, June 28, an unknown woman approached two alternate jurors of the AEG trial during a break and tried to influence them against the Jacksons: http://news.yahoo.com/womans-statement-jackson-jurors-prompt-inquiry-011326428.html

    The following days a series of slanderous articles appeared in the press:
    On June 30, the AEG-sponsored Mirror published the lies about a 35 million $ payment to silence “two dozen young boys”, which was copied by several other media.
    On July 3 Radar Online published Wade Robson’s crazy claim that his father killed himself because of MJ’s abuse of his son.
    On July 7 another tabloid lie was published in the Mirror that the FBI had scrapped investigation of MJ “to save President Reagan from embarrassment”.

    All of this crap was obviously spread to distract from Prince’s testimony about Randy Phillips and others he saw in Michael’s house one or two days before Michael died, as well as from the next plaintiffs’ witnesses like TJ Jackson, Karen Faye and Dr. Schnoll.

    It prompted Charles Thomson to write this article about “a pattern emerging here”:
    http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/mirror-publishes-another-fraudulent.html

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  46. Helen-Marie permalink
    June 12, 2015 12:57 pm

    It is indeed what we thought all along. Well done Helena for having the time and patience to fit the puzzle all together. This is a mean spirited campaign to smear Michael once again and of course it had to be bigger than all previous attempts because the world showed it’s support for Michael on the 25th June 2009 and thereafter. I don’t think it will ever stop because there will always be greed in the world. Thank you once again for all your efforts.

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  47. stacey22 permalink
    June 12, 2015 11:08 am

    “As to his allegations besides the fact that he testified twice about Michael’s innocence, the story he told in his court papers does not hold water at all. I’ve partially analyzed it already, here are the posts:”–Helena

    Wow, great job Helena. Those 3 posts are enough for any jury to throw his entire case out the window. They will think to themselves: “If he’s being truthful about being molested then why is he telling lies? If these horrible acts really happened, then what’s there to lie about?”

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  48. The Lopsided Man permalink
    June 11, 2015 3:07 pm

    “Wade Robson may very well be in cahoots with AEG, but that doesn’t prove he hasn’t been abused by MJ. Both things can be true at the same time.”

    That’s not how it works. Robson has to prove his current accusations…by proving that he was lying for 2 decades. More to the point, he needs to come up with a better story to explain his implausible Eureka moment than the BS he’s produced so far.

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  49. June 11, 2015 1:16 pm

    This link has (unofficial) info re purchase of WR’s condo: http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/4281010043/925_14th_unit_16 – June Elizabeth

    June Elizabeth, thank you for the link. I’ve had a quick look and the way I understand it on May 8, 2013 there were two sellers (?) – Wade Robson and Roger Amerian. Here is a quote from the records:

    $825,000 Resale 05/08/2013
    B: Danielle Amerian, Mary Lee Amerian
    S: Wade Robson

    N/A Resale 05/08/2013
    B: Mary Lee Amerian
    S: Roger Amerian

    Mary Lee Amerian bought both Roger Amerian’s and Robson’s shares in the property (at least at this final stage of the deal), correct? It’s not clear to me whether Robson got the full sum or only part.

    The Amerian buyers are described as a family trust who evidently deal in buying and selling property, but what’s strange is that they seem to be constantly buying and selling from and to each other.

    For example, their records say about another address which they sold and bought from each other (twice?):

    Price Type Date B-Buyer/S-Seller
    N/A Resale 06/24/2003
    B: Amerian (Family Trust), Mary Lee Amerian (Trustee) (Trustee), Roger Amerian
    S: Mary Lee Amerian, Roger Amerian

    N/A Resale 06/23/2003
    B: Mary Lee Amerian, Roger Amerian
    S: Amerian (Family Trust), Mary Lee Amerian (Trustee) (Trustee), Roger Amerian
    http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/4458011031/24456_malibu_cove_colony/

    So as we expected Robson sold to some trust.

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  50. June 11, 2015 12:53 pm

    My reference to G&M as “decent” lawyers was probably the wrong word to use. I meant “decent” in their Calif Bar standing, no reprovals, reprimands, suspensions, no claims of conflict of interest, and the like. Not ambulance chasing types. Which is why I’m surprised they took these cases. I totally agree their conduct in WR’s case is beyond reprehensible which makes it more surprising. If done for publicity, all they will garner is bad publicity. As they are business oriented attorneys I can understand them taking QJones’ case and have even surmised perhaps some documentation coming to them in his case about MJ’s corporations “could” find its way into their files on WR/JS; but that’s probably (?) stretching things.

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  51. June 11, 2015 12:13 pm

    “One puzzlement to me is that WR/JS’ lawyer firm have a decent reputation in the LA legal community, basically a business oriented firm (actually the same firm representing QJones in his royalty claim vs. MJ Estate), so how did they get involved with WR/JS sleaze and why?” – June Elizabeth

    QJones is represented by the same lawyers? So then one common feature between the two lawsuits is that both are filed against the Estate. Interesting.

    As to why they handle WR/JS cases, it may the same reason why Chernoff handled Conrad Murray’s case – for promoting their law firm. IF Chernoff had won it he would have given his law firm an enormous push, only it turned out differently as you know.

    Marzano and Gradstein should not necessarily be paid by someone from the outside (if there are sponsors involved they may pay to WR/JS directly). The lawyers can indeed be working on a contingency basis, and by now be so deep in the project that they can’t go back. And they may also have their own preconceptions about MJ like so many other of his adversaries.

    However I wouldn’t agree that the law firm is decent – the methods they are using are far from decent. They are trying to win this case not in court, but in the media and vilify Michael calling him horrible names even before they begin to prove their case in court. I am no lawyer but see these methods as unacceptable. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty and they behave as if MJ is a convicted criminal.

    Believing your clients does not mean that you should character assassinate the opponent. The truly professional behavior would be to prove your case in court and not make media rounds and tell stories about the accused person rolling your eyes. The stories they hear from their clients may well turn out to be lies (which they are) and they are spreading them in advance, already doing huge damage to Michael’s legacy.

    This is actually their main method – bringing this demonization to so high a pitch that it may become unbearable and the Estate may (God forbid) settle.

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  52. June 11, 2015 12:06 pm

    This link has (unofficial) info re purchase of WR’s condo:

    http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/4281010043/925_14th_unit_16

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  53. June 11, 2015 11:25 am

    “He may have been abused and decided to profit from it when offered the chance to do so.”- Jujuba

    He may have been abused, but by someone else (not MJ). I’ve looked into this matter too and will probably write about it one day. Only from those people he can’t get any money and it is no use suing them.

    As to his allegations besides the fact that he testified twice about Michael’s innocence, the story he told in his court papers does not hold water at all. I’ve partially analyzed it already, here are the posts:
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2015/02/02/wade-robson-is-requested-to-admit-that-he-is-a-liar/
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/wade-robsons-fake-story-of-home-alone-at-neverland/
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/the-missing-bed-in-wade-robsons-stories/

    The analysis is not finished. I would like to first hear everything he has to say before looking into his allegations in their entirety. It can’t be done earlier as Robson/Safechuck adjust their stories accordingly after hearing our arguments.

    “So Wade working with AEG in secret doesn’t necessarily mean Wade is lying about the abuse.”

    Fine, then let him please simply admit that he received a certain amount of money for telling his story and we will finish at that.

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  54. June 11, 2015 9:01 am

    Thanks for putting to paper the conclusions many of us have come to about WR/JS. It will be interesting to see if WR/JS attorneys remain aggressive now that both the AEG trial and WR’s probate claim are history, despite their continuing attempts through media cohorts to destroy Michael’s good name.

    And along those lines, seems AEG’s lead attorney in all levels of Jackson case is switching firms which obviously neither AEG nor the firm would ever let happen if there was any possibility the case was still viable after having been turned down by California Supreme Court.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/omelveny-loses-litigator-marvin-putnam-801231

    One puzzlement to me is that WR/JS’ lawyer firm have a decent reputation in the LA legal community, basically a business oriented firm (actually the same firm representing QJones in his royalty claim vs. MJ Estate), so how did they get involved with WR/JS sleaze and why?

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  55. Jujuba permalink
    June 11, 2015 7:43 am

    Nicely done, Helena. However, let’s not forget a very important thing. Wade Robson may very well be in cahoots with AEG, but that doesn’t prove he hasn’t been abused by MJ. Both things can be true at the same time. He may have been abused and decided to profit from it when offered the chance to do so. So Wade working with AEG in secret doesn’t necessarily mean Wade is lying about the abuse.

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  56. June 11, 2015 6:17 am

    “Another point I would add: on the first day of Prince Michael’s bombshell testimony against AEG, the first raw details of Robson’s allegations were leaked.”
    The Lopsided Man

    Yes, it’s true. Let me repeat what strange “coincidences” followed Prince’s testimony:

    On June 26 and 27, 2013, was Prince Jackson’s breakthrough testimony with very interesting revelations about AEG.
    The same day, on June 27, TMZ, Radar Online, LA Times and others released the detailed allegations of Wade Robson.

    The next day, on Friday, June 28, an unknown woman approached two alternate jurors of the AEG trial during a break and tried to influence them against the Jacksons:
    http://news.yahoo.com/womans-statement-jackson-jurors-prompt-inquiry-011326428.html

    The following days a series of slanderous articles appeared in the press:
    On June 30, the AEG-sponsored Mirror published the lies about a 35 million $ payment to silence “two dozen young boys”, which was copied by several other media.
    On July 3 Radar Online published Wade Robson’s crazy claim that his father killed himself because of MJ’s abuse of his son.
    On July 7 another tabloid lie was published in the Mirror that the FBI had scrapped investigation of MJ “to save President Reagan from embarrassment”.

    All of this crap was obviously spread to distract from Prince’s testimony about Randy Phillips and others he saw in Michael’s house one or two days before Michael died, as well as from the next plaintiffs’ witnesses like TJ Jackson, Karen Faye and Dr. Schnoll.

    It prompted Charles Thomson to write this article about “a pattern emerging here”:
    http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/mirror-publishes-another-fraudulent.html

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  57. The Lopsided Man permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:08 pm

    New article by Raven….

    “Planting Fake Evidence Against MJ: Just How Prevalent Is This Practice?” http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9991

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  58. June 10, 2015 12:02 pm

    All I can say is thank you Helena! All I ask is that God continues to protect you, bless you and provide you with the truth and continue doing what you do. You are truly a remarkable woman! If only MJ had more people like you in his life, I believe he’d still be alive today.

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  59. mahsa permalink
    June 10, 2015 10:28 am

    Thank you so much for sharing these results. God help you and bless you in this way. From beginning it was so clear that they obviously lie but when money is important for a person he also sells his family and nothing is not important for him even his honor. You said so Right that; “When will liars understand that the truth will become known anyway and it is ultimately them who will suffer most?”
    I hope God will reveal the truth to all of us and Michael’s brilliance heart.

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  60. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    June 10, 2015 10:23 am

    I did find the Princes testimony.It is of course under the AEG trial. It is worth going over and one can deduce Randy Phillips and Thome were bearer of bad things to come. On 6.24 2009 Prince called his father re these 2. That was the last time he had contact with his father.

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  61. t (@wkatriina22) permalink
    June 10, 2015 10:02 am

    The Loopsided Man, very interesting arguments. I do recall that Prince Jackson had mentioned seeing Randy Phillips on the Michael Jackson grounds at the time of the night of MJ´s death.Though I cannot find the exact text now.My intuition goes with what you postulate.As you say ;food for thought.

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  62. The Lopsided Man permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:50 am

    Great research Helena. 🙂 This is the best argument so far for a connection between Robson & the AEG wrongful death trial. Another point I would add: on the first day of Prince Michael’s bombshell testimony against AEG, the first raw details of Robson’s allegations were leaked.

    But how about we go even deeper…

    July 2012 – a few days after Robson missed deadline, Janet, Jermaine, Tito, Randy and Rebbie Jackson release a letter, which among other things claims, “We know there is most certainly a conspiracy surrounding our brother’s death and now coarse manipulation and fear are being used to cover it up,”.

    At the time most of the media’s focus was on the letter’s criticism towards the executors and how they were doing the jobs – while this critical part of the letter was mostly ignored.

    If Michael’s homicide was a murder/conspiracy (as opposed to “just” involuntary manslaughter), then you’d imagine that the conspirators must have been getting nervous around this time period.

    After all, suing AEG for wrongful death is one thing, but if Michael’s family KNOWS there was more to June 25 than an ‘involuntary homicide’…suddenly, this lawsuit represents a far greater threat than just another corporate PR & financial headache, but something far more serious…..

    Food for thought.

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  63. June 10, 2015 1:50 am

    Wow Helena, thank you for all this research. It is astonishing how much you are able to piece together by just looking closely at all the facts.

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