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What Do We Know About Mariano “Mark” Quindoy? Part 1

October 31, 2019

Recently I came across an interview of Mariano “Mark” Quindoy, a former housekeeper at Neverland and his wife Ofelia “Faye” Quindoy who worked at Neverland as chef. The video claims that the Quindoys were employed at the ranch for two years and shows Mariano “Mark” Quindoy saying that during his time at the ranch he eye-witnessed a scene in the pool area where Michael Jackson allegedly kissed a boy and put his hand into the boy’s pants. The name of the boy was not specified.

Mariano “Mark” Quindoy on Current Affair, Jan.17, 1994

This previously unknown video is a clip from the Current Affair program dated January 17, 1994, but it surfaced only recently sparking off numerous exclamations from its viewers like “Shocking”, “Never seen this before. I can’t believe some people think he’s innocent”, “Why the hell did they stay silent?” etc.

It just happened that right at that time I was also rereading the Prosecution Motion of December 10, 2004 introducing the so-called “Prior Bad Acts” into the forthcoming Michael Jackson trial (also known as #1108 Motion), and the details and wording of the statement of the same Mariano “Mark” Quindoy in that paper made it clear that Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories in the “Leaving Neverland” film are for the most part based on Quindoy’s claims – up to the description of some scenes repeated by these two characters almost verbatim.

This suddenly made Mariano “Mark” Quindoy big news again, so we need to closely look into this character and his story, especially into that striking episode near the pool area which Quindoy allegedly observed at Neverland and which, according to #1108 Motion, supposedly involved Jimmy Safechuck. It is the same episode as the one in the video, only described in the prosecution paper in much more detail.

This is what the Motion says about Mariano “Mark” Quindoy’s version of the events:

“On August 12, 1989, Michael Jackson told Mr. Quindoy that he “planned to go into the spa [Jacuzzi]” area with Jimmy Safechuck.  Quindoy said that “going to the spa” was understood by him and Jackson’s other employees as a coded order that they should not go near the pool or barbecue area where the spa was situated. Mr. Quindoy noted in his diary that the evening of the 12th he was on the second floor of the recreation room (the video arcade building), across from the barbecue court near the pool. At approximately 9:00 p.m., Mr. Quindoy looked out of the second-floor window and saw Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck standing in the knee-deep water of the Jacuzzi in their shorts. The recreation room is adjacent to the swimming pool, and the Jacuzzi is on the far side of the pool. The Jacuzzi area is well lit. Jackson and the young boy were hugging each other “like they were newlyweds.” Jackson was standing behind Jimmy Safechuck and Mr. Quindoy saw that he had one hand down the front of Jimmy’s underpants and was manipulating the boy’s genitalia.”

“Like they were newlyweds”? What a familiar wording, first heard by us from James Safechuck in the “Leaving Neverland” feature film. When we were watching it, this phrase sounded extremely odd to us because as a boy he would not know what it is to be “like newlyweds”.

Imagine a really sexually abused kid saying of his or her childhood experience: “We were like newlyweds” and you will realize the dissonance between the age of the victim and the description. These are not the words of a child – these are the words of an adult who observed (or said he observed) it from aside. And whether true or not, now we know that this adult was Mariano “Mark” Quindoy.

Okay, let us go to the scene of the crime then and see the area described by Quindoy. Fortunately now we have splendid pictures of Neverland and can inspect the place from almost every angle – the thing that was impossible to do in the 1990s and even the 2000s.

This is the way the pool area and the arcade building looked several years ago (a shot from the Neverland booklet):

The author of this photo is standing exactly behind the open-air Jacuzzi which is a small pool decorated with rocks and seen at the bottom of the picture. Of course the photographer’s position is not knee deep in the Jacuzzi, but the picture is still taken from approximately the same level and angle where MJ and Jimmy Safechuck were allegedly standing.

And here is the view of the same Jacuzzi from the opposite side (behind it is the barbecue area):

Going back to the first photo we see a pool behind the Jacuzzi and then the video arcade building from which Mr. Quindoy allegedly saw that heart-breaking scene.

Well, the video arcade building is there, but where is the second-floor window from which Mr. Quindoy was looking?

What we see there is only the roof, and it is only after a closer look that we realize that there must be a window on the second floor, only it is closed from view by a tree standing right in the way between the window and Jacuzzi.

The picture taken in winter time when the tree is leafless shows that there is indeed a window there. This is the way the area looks on a sunny winter day (the Jacuzzi is to the left of the pool):

So in winter the tree no longer blocks the view from the second floor, however Mariano Quindoy alleges that he was there on August 12th when the tree was still in full leaf. And this is not to mention the rather big distance between the two points that wouldn’t allow him to see the details in any case.

I’ve tried several pictures of this area, but the result was always the same – whatever took place in the Jacuzzi on a summer evening could not be seen from the second floor of the video arcade building because of the tree fully blocking the view, at least in the past 15-20 years.

But Mariano Quindoy says he observed the scene in August 1989, and that was 30 years ago, so in theory the tree could be not that high at the time and it could probably not block the view then.

This possibility should be explored by all means, but where can we see the same area the way it was 30 years ago? Probably only in Michael Jackson’s old home videos… Oh, here it is – the video made at Neverland at Easter time, on March 31, 1991, which is practically only one summer season after August 1989 described by Mark Quindoy.

This home video shows the fun Michael Jackson and many children – boys and girls of different ages and skin color, including Brett Barnes – had at Neverland while hunting for 45 eggs hidden by the staff in various places in the pool area.In the following shot Michael Jackson and Brett Barnes are putting into the basket the eggs they have collected (Michael found one while Brett found seven) and we see them standing near the barbecue kitchen with their backs to the arcade building:

And surprisingly, behind their backs we see not one, but two trees growing in front of that building. And they are already high enough to block the view from the second-floor window. Apparently some time later one of the trees was removed as they were indeed too close to each other, but while both were there their summer foliage must have been very dense indeed.

Mind you that the video is dated March 31, so the trees are only budding out and by August they will form a solid green wall fully blocking the view of the Jacuzzi. And remember that this was only one summer season after the alleged event described by Mark Quindoy.

So what do these photos tell us about?

They tell us that the dramatic scene described by Mariano “Mark” Guindoy in his interview and Prosecution Motion is a lie.

What Mark Quindoy allegedly saw from that window was physically impossible to see – especially in the evening and even despite the lights. He simply invented the whole thing, same as that catch phrase about the “newlyweds” later learned by James Safechuck from Quindoy’s statement and then reproduced in Dan Reed’s film.

But this is not all.

The photos with a tree blocking the view also tell us that Mark Quindoy invented his story post-factum, when he no longer had a chance to check it up and see whether it was physically possible to observe anything from that window. He had no respective photos of Neverland and had to rely only on his memory, hoping that his stories would be never tested and verified.

And since he had to rely on his memory, it means that his so-called diary was not kept since his first days at the ranch as he later claimed – it was written after he left his employment at Neverland. And this turns his diary into another of his lies.

EMPLOYMENT

If you have a closer look at Quindoy’s story you will realize that there isn’t a single straight point about it and even the period of their employment at Neverland is variable and is a matter of controversy.

Indeed, how long did the Quindoys work at Neverland?

The answer is not as easy as you might expect it. It ranges from 6 months to 5 years depending on the circumstances, Quindoys’ interests and wish to exaggerate.

For example, on Hard Copy program airing on February 5, 1992 when their employment was already over, Mark Quindoy mentioned only 6 months of working for Michael Jackson. It was a spontaneous reply and its spontaneity adds to its value and turns it into a remarkable revelation. Someone on the program asked him if Michael Jackson was in a relationship with a woman and he answered, “I don’t think so” and then added, “Being there 6 months we would be in a position to know”.

In contradiction to that James Safechuck’s complaint says that Mark Quindoy worked at Neverland for about a year – from May 1989 to April 1990. In this piece devoted to Mark Quindoy he is describing exactly the same episode in the Jacuzzi that we started with, apparently quoting it from Quindoy’s statement (incidentally “Leaving Neverland” will have another version):

 

The Prosecution #1108 Motion extends the Quindoys’ period of work for Jackson a bit further – to a year and three months and says that they commenced their employment on May 25, 1989 and terminated it on August 30, 1990.

 

The media quickly changed it into two years, claiming that they began working in May 1988 and ever since then these “two years of employment” at Neverland have become the media standard.

 

But in her 2005 book Diane Dimond went much further than all the rest of them and stretched the period to four years, claiming that the Quindoys worked for Jackson in 1987–1991, and presented it as Mark Quindoy’s own statement made at their 1993 press conference in Manila.

Mariano Quindoy, from DD's book Fragment about the period they worked at Neverland

This press conference was also the first time Mark Quindoy made his allegations against Michael Jackson producing as if by some miracle the diary he had allegedly kept since day one with MJ.

Diane Dimond says about it:

Mark and Faye Quindoy were living in the Philippines when the allegations against Michael Jackson hit the headlines in late August 1993. They were not surprised, and they called a news conference in Manila in late September to tell the world as much.

Holding what he said was his personal diary in his outstretched hand, Mark Quindoy announced that when he and his wife had served as the estate managers at the rambling Neverland Valley Ranch from 1987 to 1991, they had seen and heard so many disturbing things with regard to Michael Jackson and his “special friends” that he had decided to write them all down. It begged the question: Why hadn’t he and his wife gone to the police with their claims? Their answer was that they didn’t think they’d be believed and they feared they’d lose their jobs if they came forward. This diary was later given to California law enforcement.”

Remember that Quindoys most probably worked at Neverland for 6 months only, and initially there was no diary as our small experiment with the window shows it (the most he could note at the time was which of the guests would arrive and when), so the whole narrative Mark Quindoy came up with in 1993 was fiction.

And if Diane Dimond’s timeline is correct, the diary should have covered the years 1987-88 and 1991 too when the couple didn’t work at Neverland at all even according to the prosecution version. Some people have the nerve…

But even those four years were not enough for the media – in their frenzy over the Arvizo allegations they quoted the Quindoys again and turned the period of their work for Jackson into 5 years, extending it to 1992.

See how easy it is to tell lies about Michael Jackson? 6 months can turn into 5 years as if by a magic band – everybody simply copy pastes the earlier story, which was already false, and adds a little lie of their own.

Like this paper in 2003 for example:

“The former employee, who worked for Jackson from 1987 to 1992, said he was not surprised by the current case.  He said he had extensive access to the ranch and was an “eye witness” to Jackson’s acts, the paper said.  [ ] Quindoy quit in 1992 after Jackson failed to pay him overtime wages.

https://www.wnd.com/2003/11/22042/

So how long did the Quindoys really work at Neverland? The most realistic period is between 6 months and a year, but for the sake of convenience let us adhere to the official version of their employment stated in the Prosecution Motion (May 25, 1989 – August 30, 1990), also keeping in mind that for some reason Safechuck shortened that period by four months – to April 1990. This correction is strange as Safechuck, same as Robson, was provided with the prosecution papers by Ron Zonen and could have simply copied the date, but he did not – and we should find out why.

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Now that we have a little more clarity about the time the Quindoys worked for Michael Jackson, let’s see how Mariano “Mark” Quindoy found himself at Neverland at all.

He was a Bachelor of Law, but the prosecution was somewhat shy to mention it. A lawyer is expected to be always guided by the law if he sees some impropriety, and this was obviously not Mariano Quindoy’s case. And this is probably why the Prosecution Motion never mentioned Quindoy’s original profession and said that the couple was running “a picture frame business” in California when they heard of a vacancy at Neverland:

“In 1989 Mariano and Ofelia Quindoy learned that Michael Jackson was looking for an estate manager at Neverland Valley Ranch. At the time they were operating a picture frame business in Glendale, California. They met with Mr. Jackson, and several days later they were offered the job to work for Michael Jackson as estate managers. They commenced their employment on May 25, 1989. The Quindoys’ job duties included welcoming guests and celebrities visiting the ranch, preparing the guest quarters, and responding to Jackson’s needs and those of his guests after-hours, when the day staff had gone home.”

A short correction to the above – they weren’t the estate managers. She was a cook and he was a housekeeper. His job duty was to welcome Michael Jackson’s guests and respond to his and his guests’ needs, mostly after the usual working hours.

Their termination could easily be a dismissal though they claimed that they quit of their own free will. Let it be their way, but what was the reason for their leave? The answer to this question is as variable as everything else regarding Quindoys and ranges from “they quit on moral grounds” (false) to disagreements with other Neverland employees and a pay dispute (true).

After they left their employment the Quindoys filed a lawsuit against Michael Jackson claiming that he owed them unpaid wages for overtime, even though it was Mark’s direct duty to “respond to Jackson’s needs and those of his guests after-hours when the day staff had gone home” as we’ve just read.

Initially the sum of the claim was unspecified but many years later Diane Dimond named the figure of $283,000 explaining it by the nearly unbearable work conditions the Quindoys complained about at their Manila press conference. Diane Dimond is clearly sympathetic to the exploited couple:

“Mark and Faye Quindoy said they quit working at the ranch in 1991, thinking that Jackson’s activities with young boys would certainly catch up with him. Now that the allegations of Jordie Chandler had made worldwide headlines, they said they felt it safe to tell the public what they knew.

The problem with the Quindoys’ story was their ongoing battle to get Jackson to pay them the $283,000 they claimed he owed them in “unpaid overtime wages.” They didn’t try to hide that fact; they openly spoke about how they had been forced to be on call around the clock, even on scheduled days off, during their tenure with Jackson. They had added up all those extra hours and come up with the $283,000 figure. As they told their stunning story to the media, they were still actively engaged in trying to get the money they felt they were owed.

Their legal battle gave the Jackson camp all the ammunition they needed. They were immediately labeled as “disgruntled former employees” and “failed extortionists” in a public statement delivered by Anthony Pellicano.”

So from their termination in 1990 and through the year 1993 the Quindoys were involved in a legal battle with Michael Jackson for the sum of $283,000 which they considered their unpaid overtime wages.

In this context it is exceptionally interesting that even despite that legal battle, or probably due to it, the Quindoys started making TV appearances in 1992, speaking about Michael Jackson very favorably though.

THEIR FIRST ROUND OF THE MEDIA

In February 1992 the Quindoys appeared on Hard Copy in a story presented by Doug Bruckner. There wasn’t a single bad word said about Michael Jackson – both Quindoys smiled a lot, spoke about Michael Jackson’s chimps, about serving him food named after Disney characters, about his famous guests – Marlon Brando (who ate non-stop until midnight), Elizabeth Taylor (who wasn’t like a prima donna, but was a very down-to-earth person) and La Toya who was never invited to Neverland (she was banned there after her tell-all book about the family and a Playboy spread).

Here are some details of that program:

At 2:15 mark Quindoy is asked if Michael Jackson is in a relationship with a woman and answers, “I don’t think so” revealing to us his 6 months of work for Michael Jackson: “Being there 6 months we would be in a position to know”.

At 3:05 he says how funny it was to see Michael Jackson with seven or eight six-year olds who were always clinging to his pants.

At 3:20 he says that Michael would write lyrics on the walls of his bedroom and sometimes on the white sheets on his bed.

At 4:05 he says that Michael Jackson wore a surgical mask a lot. “This is one of his disguises.” And adds as a kind of a joke: “Some friends and people have asked me whether it was true that his nose was falling off”.

At 4:30 he says that on the first day of their stay at Neverland they were terrified to learn that Michael Jackson was the only person who never cared for food. “He didn’t care for food at all.”

Faye Quindoy: “We would ask him about lunch or dinner, and he would gently say, ‘Oh thank you. I’m not hungry yet.’  “And we named all the food, from soup to dessert after Disney characters.”

At 5:30 Mark Quindoy says that when they shopped for food if celebrities were to come, they would buy a lot of meat and steaks, and when Michael would pass by he would go: “Wow. Mark, is this for the lions?” “No, Mr. Jackson, it is for the guests”, I’d say” (smiles)

At 6:00 he talks about Michael being scared of dogs, so there was a prohibition for guests to bring in dogs.

At 6:50 he says that Michael’s chimp sometimes slept in his bed and when the chimp got wet they would change the diapers and take the chimp away to the caretaker (smiles).

At 7: 11 he says that Michael was a very private person and he would probably hate it if he was seen without his make-up on.

At 7:45 he speaks about Marlon Brando and his incredible eating habits.

At 9:05 Quindoy leans forward and says with a look of confidence on his face that he thinks that Michael Jackson “was pretty much like a kid.”

At about 10:00 he speaks about the television sets around the spa and hidden in the rocks. “With a push on the button the video and a TV set will come out.”

At 10:58 he says about MJ’s child guests aged 6-11: “He would call me and say, “Please, Mark give them freedom.  Don’t say to them – don’t do this, don’t do that – just give them freedom. I like the kids to enjoy themselves.”

At 11:50 he mentions Liz Taylor who was recovering from a bad pneumonia: “We were offering to bring her food to the guest house because she was just from the hospital, but she said she would rather eat by the kitchen, she did not want to inconvenience anyone”

At 12:50 he says that he never saw La Toya at Neverland. “Otherwise all family members have been there. Mom and dad, brothers, the wives, the children…”

At 13:13 he says that Michael liked to play games in his room, he threw towels, his underwear and whatever he wore – he loved that. And this is when he says with a smile and a noticeable emphasis on his words: “You know, I think he is pretty much like a kid”.

13: 40 he says Michael used disguises, an Afro wig and false teeth that looked so funny –“like fangs.” “I’d say to him, everyone knows that you are Michael Jackson”.

Then some ladies from a neighboring town talk about running into him on one occasion. “He was wearing so big a nose that you wouldn’t like to look at him”. They realized that it was Michael Jackson only when they heard his voice.

14:40 Mark and Faye Quindoy say they never got close to Michael as he always kept to himself. At this point Mark Quindoy imitates Michael’s manner by looking at the ground and saying timidly, occasionally looking up: “He would look down every time he asked me a question and say, ‘Mark, do you know what time dinner is at?’ Something like this all the time.”

At 14:50 the reporter says that “Mark and Faye left the ranch six months ago before Michael really made eye contact.  But they’ll never forget what a special person their former employer is. Or that time at 5 in the morning when the phone woke them up out of a sound sleep and Michael was on the other end.”

Faye Quindoy: ‘He said, “Oh Faye, I just want to tell you that I love Mark and you very much.”

On this positive note the Hard Copy report ended. Children as Michael Jackson’s favorite company were also talked about, mostly by the narrator, but the only boys mentioned as Michael’s pals were Macaulay Culkin, Emmanuel Lewis and the AIDS victim Ryan White.

What attracted my attention here is that in 1992 there was already no love lost between La Toya and MJ, so her 1993 outbreak against her brother could also stem there; that the Quindoys lied about their time at Neverland again as they claimed they left six months prior to the program which makes it August 1991 instead of August 1990; and that it is quite possible that Michael’s “I-love-you” call at 5 in the morning could be one of those instances for which they charged him for overtime.

And though the Quindoys were all smiles, the fact that all of a sudden they chose to go on TV, years after they left their employment and while still litigating Michael Jackson, looks to me like a veiled threat message to MJ that they could go to the media any time, and if he didn’t pay him what they wanted, they could sing a different tune.

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Half a year later there was another program with the Quindoys’ participation. On July 24, 1992 they went on Geraldo’s show  called “Servants to the Stars”.

Their story was essentially the same, up to Mariano Quindoy again mentioning 6 months of being around Michael Jackson. In the original version of Geraldo’s program (which now looks shortened) a girl in the audience asked the Quindoys when Michael would marry and Mark Quindoy replied that he didn’t know if Michael would marry at all, adding that in 6 months he hadn’t seen any girlfriends.

I wonder why the journalists never asked Quindoy why he always spoke about 6 months at Neverland though his official version was two years of work there?

Another interesting episode at Geraldo took place at 31:40 – 32:00 of the show. Mark Quindoy was describing Michael Jackson’s bedroom and said:

“He’s got another bedroom inside his bedroom. The second bedroom would have like a flight of steps that would lead to the Shirley Temple room, where he has black and white pictures of Shirley Temple and usually Michael would let his young guests stay in that room.”

http://index.geraldo.com/page/servants-to-the-stars

The importance of the above statement can be understood only if you compare it with the Prosecution 1108 Motion where Mark Quindoy claimed that during the month he and his wife cleaned Michael’s bedroom they never saw the bed on the second floor being slept in:

“Michael Jackson told the Quindoys that Jimmy Safechuck slept in the Shirley Temple room, a bedroom located upstairs but within Jackson’s private quarters. However the Quindoys found this not to be true. During the month that Mark and Ofelia cleaned Jackson’s private quarters, cleaning the Shirley Temple room was part of their responsibilities. They went there every day and observed that the bed was not slept in.”

This was said in 2004, but in 1992 Mariano Quindoy volunteered to Geraldo the opposite version.

Another surprising fact stated in the above excerpt from the Prosecution Motion is that the Quindoys allegedly cleaned Michael Jackson’s room “for a month” though all along it was the responsibility of Blanca Francia, Michael’s personal maid. The Motion explained it as follows:

“Approximately one month after the Quindoys began their employment, Blanca Francia, Michael Jackson’s personal maid, went on a month-long vacation to El Salvador. She was the only person allowed in Jackson’s private quarters, and in her absence, the Quindoys were assigned to clean the area.”

To be frank, this story doesn’t sound too credible to me.

It is hard to believe that only a month after the Quindoys began working at the ranch Michael Jackson would select them to clean his room while Blanca Francia was absent. There was a team of maids at Neverland whose job was to clean, dust and wash, and it sounds ridiculous that the new employees whose job duties had nothing to do with cleaning, were entrusted with taking care of Michael’s bedroom. Inviting total strangers to his private quarters, especially at a time when Jimmy Safechuck allegedly stayed there is a somewhat strange decision, especially for someone who was supposed to be obsessed with “security” according to the current Safechuck story. How could MJ be sure that these newcomers would not go to the media immediately after that?

This makes their bedroom story highly questionable and considering Mark Quindoy’s previous lies – the diary that appeared from nowhere, the scene at the pool that was impossible to see, and variability of his statements about everything else, I am not inclined to take his story at its face value.

Absolutely not.

THE MONEY TRAIL

Besides the official sum of $283,000 claimed from Michael Jackson for overtime, the remaining scraps of information tell us that the Quindoys were shaking the media for other substantial sums.

In her “Nightmare in Neverland” article of January 1994 Maureen Orth says that Geraldo Rivera confirmed to her “through a member of his staff” that “the Quindoys had disclosed to him these same allegations about Jackson at the time they appeared on his show Now It Can Be Told a year and a half ago. But on-camera they gave no hint of any of this. The reason was that they wanted to be paid $25,000.”

The above piece is of course about Geraldo’s show Servants to the Stars of July 1992, already mentioned in this post, but let us not pick at Maureen Orth’s inaccuracy – she is known to make bigger blunders and tell much grosser lies. The real problem with her claim is that this confirmation did not come directly from Geraldo and was provided by an anonymous “member of his staff”.

But if we are to believe this anonymous person the Quindoys were ready to tell a much juicier story about Michael Jackson for $25,000 if Geraldo had given it to them.

However the problem, yet unknown to Maureen Orth, was that by the time of the Geraldo show the Quindoys had already got $25,000 from another media source, but even then they didn’t say a single bad word about Michael Jackson. What a surprise indeed!

This amazing fact was revealed in the Frontline documentary “Tabloid Truth: The Michael Jackson Story” which aired in February 1994, a month after Maureen Orth’s story.

The Sun correspondent said there that they had started their dealings with the Quindoys “two and a half – three years ago” which makes it 1991-1992. Eventually the Sun signed a contract with the Quindoys for $25,000 who pledged to tell the full and frank account of their lives beside Michael Jackson.

Allan Hall, the tabloid journalist who was the first to interview the Quindoys was clearly disappointed with their story and almost complained to the Frontline that even for money the Quindoys didn’t provide any sensations.

“I was working then for The Sun. The Sun drew up a contract for $25,000, and I spent some time with them in Los Angeles doing the Life and Times of Michael Jackson, which was all, hey, isn’t he whacky! He’s got, you know, speakers in the hibiscus plants that play Beethoven’s Fifth in the morning, and he doesn’t get up before midday. He’s got dollar bills that he tears up and throws in the air like confetti. What a great, what a gasp – but nothing anti. It was very, very high, upbeat.

[They] didn’t have a bad word to say about the guy, not one bad thing. That he was just a kind man with children, basically. They had signed a contract to say they would tell the full and frank account of their lives and clearly from what later transpired they didn’t, if what they’re telling now is the truth. They’re two people whom I wouldn’t trust at all. And I think they really have gone to town to do Michael Jackson down for the mighty dollar. Now, they see money again being offered around and they want some more. I think they’re greedy people.”

How much more money did the Quindoys want and when?

The answer to “when” is the year 1993 of course, when they changed their story into its opposite. As to how much more they wanted, the new figure was incomparable with their earlier prices – after their U-turn against Jackson they wanted $900,000.

We learn the figure from no other than Diane Dimond who speaks about it in the 1994 Frontline documentary. This was the younger version of Diane Dimond who did occasionally tell some truth – in her later book published in 2005 she was already cautious enough to mention only the official $283,000 sum of the Quindoys’ lawsuit but say no word about the additional $900,000 they demanded for an updated story. But in the Frontline documentary she did speak about that sum.

Diane Dimond at 29:50:

“The Quindoys at first wanted $900,000. Where they got that figure I have no idea. It came down to half a million.”

The figure later dropped to $500,000 and then to $250,000, and in the end the Quindoys got nothing. The crucial detail overlooked by the Quindoys was that both the Sun with whom they already had a contract and to whom they had sold a nice story about MJ and the News of the World to whom they took their new horror version of the same, belonged to Rupert Murdoch and were part of one corporation. So the News of the World simply used their old contract with the Quindoys and published their new allegations without any additional pay to their authors.

The Sun reporters explained it in the Frontline documentary:

Diane Dimond: The Quindoys at first wanted $900,000. Where they got that figure I have no idea. It came down to half a million.

Stuart White, correspondent of The News of the world: “When they negotiated with us I think they were asking [ ] for a quarter of a million dollars. [ ] “…the Quindoys, unfortunately, were not acting totally in good faith.”

After he had heard most of the Quindoys’ story White’s London office suddenly ordered him home. News of the World splashed Quindoys big time – three pages without any payment! The lawyers said there was no need to pay – the Quindoys and the Company already had a history. [ ] The London Sun and News of the World are owned by one company – Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation.

THE U-TURN

The few bits and pieces still available to us say that Quindoys made their U-turn against Jackson immediately after the Chandler allegations broke and from then on their story only went from bad to worse.

On September 5, 1993 Mark Quindoy announced their plans to share more information about Michael Jackson. The announcement sounded like nothing terrible – he just said that “things were uncommon”, “things were a little weird”, “there were some abnormalities” and that sometimes Jackson “was mischievous”.

Quindoy promised to tell “nothing but the truth” and immediately broke his promise by saying that “he and his wife were the only staff who had access to Jackson’s bedroom” which was a flat lie of course, but a sure bait for the media.

The Reuter correspondent noted that Mark Quindoy was wearing a huge diamond ring and a heavy jeweled gold bracelet. This made me look at Mark Quindoy’s earlier photos and realize that this was his standard outfit.

This report about Mark Quindoy announcing their intentions has been retrieved from the Palm Beach Post.

The Palm Beach Post

Monday, September 6, 1993

Reuter MANILA, Philippines

A Filipino couple who used to run Michael Jackson’s California household said Sunday they would reveal within days what they know about sex abuse charges against the pop superstar. “Things were uncommon. Things were a little weird,” Mark Quindoy said in an interview at the Manila home of a friend. He denied telling a London newspaper he saw Jackson abuse at least three children. “Probably in the next few days I could inform the press and media about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,” he said. Jackson, who took the stage in front of 40,000 fans in Taiwan Saturday night, has denied charges he molested the boy. The singer’s representatives say the accusations are part of an elaborate plot to extort $20 million from Jackson. “I can only say there were some aberrations, some abnormalities, some things that were not normal,” Quindoy said earlier. “We are willing to testify, to shed light on these current events in a U.S. court of law if they find it necessary.” Quindoy, a 59-year-old Filipino’ who wears a huge diamond ring and heavy, jeweled gold bracelet, worked with his wife Faye for Jackson for two years until 1990, running the household at Neverland Valley.

Neverland was a fairy tale, like something out of Peter Pan or Snow White, he said, while Jackson was “mischievous sometimes.” Throughout his time at Neverland, Quindoy said he kept a diary  of what went on at the ranch, where he and his wife were the only staff who had access to Jackson’s bedroom. “We are not people who would sensationalize or exaggerate,” he said. “We are very respectable people.”

Approximately ten days later this was followed by the Quindoys’ press conference.

(to be continued)

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UPDATE Nov.3, 2019:

A reader’s comment suggests that Mark Quindoy could forget what window he was looking from:

“Are there photos or footage of the second floor of the arcade during the late eighties/early nineties? What was up there? Were there any arcade machines up there or anything else that could have blocked the upstairs window from the inside in addition to the trees outside? Were there any arcade blocking the windows below the upstairs window? I know the alleged diary entry said the second floor but I just wanted to know if it is possible to eliminate the possibility of Mark allegedly seeing Michael and Jimmy through that window because I know haters would probably use the excuse that he misremembered where he was in the arcade building.”

The reader is most probably talking about a smaller window on the landing of the stairs that led to the second floor of the arcade building where Mark Quindoy could probably stand and which he later “misremembered.”

Firstly, if it was a diary kept then and there Mark Quindoy shouldn’t have misremembered which window he was looking from. If he put it down the same evening there was no time to forget.

Secondly, the second floor window was specified not only in the alleged diary. It was the description given by Mark Quindoy to the investigators who arrived in Manila and was part of the official witness statement later included in the Prosecution Motion.

Thirdly, in the respective fragment of the Current Affair program Mark Quindoy explains the reason why he was on the second floor at all – he was allegedly checking if the windows were closed, and this is how he happened to look out of the window. Mind you that the window on the landing was never opened – it was partially closed by a big  mannequin of a girl and was simply inaccessible.

Here is a quick transcript of the Current Affair fragment where Mark Quindoy explains what he allegedly saw and why he was on the second floor:

Narrator: It’s not what Quindoy thinks, it’s what he says he saw in the two years that he and his wife worked for Jackson.
Mariano “Mark” Quindoy: From that window you can look down towards the Jacuzzi and I was looking out, you know, checking whether they may have [not] closed the doors and the windows and I was just checking. I looked out and saw Michael with this kid whom I identified as boy No.1.
You know, and I saw them kissing. You know, in the mouth. And I saw Michael holding this kid and putting his hand inside the undergarment of the kid. I thought to myself what [unintelligible] doing that.
And I turned back, sat on the sofa for a while and I looked out again and saw what they were doing. This happened probably for about a minute – a minute and a half, and I decided to get down, and get out from the back door, and I went to my apartment and I told my wife Faye what I had just seen. And this confirmed our worst suspicions about Michael Jackson.

At this point I can’t resist asking – so this confirmed their “worst suspicions” about Michael Jackson, but didn’t prevent them from working for him for a year after that?

But getting back to that window we learn from Mark Quindoy that he “turned back” and “sat on the sofa”, and then “looked out again”, and all of it could certainly take place only on the second floor, and not on the stairs.

Fourthly, the statue of a girl on the landing was quite tall, probably taller than a man of an average height, and Mark Quindoy was short. So he could see nothing from the landing.

And this leaves us with only one possibility – that he went up the steps and was standing on the top of the stairs trying to peep through that smaller window over the head of the mannequin.

But then it begs the question – what for would Mark Quindoy go into so elaborate explanations about the second-floor window, if he could simply say that when going down the stairs he saw all of it in the window on the landing?

Provided he could see anything any details from such a big distance.

~ PICTURES ~

In today’s photos of the arcade building you can hardly imagine what it was like in Michael Jackson’s times:

But back then the inside of this building was so crammed with arcade machines, games, etc. that you could hardly move around. The landing on the stairs was occupied by a life-size mannequin of a girl that partially blocked the small window there.

Below is the inside of the arcade building during Michael Jackson’s times. The window on the landing is marked by an arrow.

The girl mannequin that occupied the landing is shown in the bottom right-hand corner of this collection of photos.

And here is the big window on the second floor of the arcade building (screenshot from the footage of the Neverland ranch police raid in 2003).

The episode when the sheriffs go to the arcade building starts at 7:28 of this video:

You will agree that if we were to choose a better vintage point for watching the Jacuzzi, the window on the landing would be a better choice considering that its view was not blocked by a tree.

But the funny thing here is that what’s obvious to us was not obvious to Mark Quindoy because he didn’t have the pictures of Neverland. And this makes it even clearer that he invented his story post-factum, without seeing what he was talking about. And this is why what he thought was a better view turned out to be the worst option and actually an impossibility to see anything at all.

11 Comments leave one →
  1. Battenburg permalink
    November 1, 2019 1:02 pm

    “Mark and Faye Quindoy say they never got close to Michael”

    “that time at 5 in the morning when the phone woke them up out of a sound sleep and Michael was on the other end, he said, “Oh Faye, I just want to tell you that I love Mark and you very much.”

    So they were never close, and to such a degree where Michael wasn’t even comfortable making eye contact with them when asking what time dinner was, but he would ring them at 5am because he couldn’t possibly wait until morning to let them know just how much he loved them?

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  2. November 1, 2019 5:13 pm

    Battenberg, but even that is not so important.
    “They never got close to Michael” but at the same time they claim that he allowed them to take care of his private quarters, do his laundry, wash his underwear and do all other things which personal maids are supposed to do?

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  3. Elyse Lemieux permalink
    November 2, 2019 8:12 pm

    These might be some silly questions but are there photos or footage of the second floor of the arcade during the late eighties/early nineties? What was up there? Were there any arcade machines up there or anything else that could have blocked the upstairs window from the inside in addition to the trees outside? Were there any arcade blocking the windows below the upstairs window? I know the alleged diary entry said the second floor but I just wanted to know if it is possible to eliminate the possibility of Mark allegedly seeing Michael and Jimmy through that window because I know haters would probably use the excuse that he misremembered where he was in the arcade building.

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  4. November 3, 2019 6:02 pm

    You are probably talking about a smaller window on the landing of the stairs that led to the second floor of the arcade building where Mark Quindoy could probably stand and which he simply “misremembered.” Okay, let’s explore this possibility too.

    Firstly, if it was a diary kept then and there he shouldn’t have misremembered. If he put it down the same evening there was no time to forget.

    Secondly, the second floor window was specified not only in the alleged diary. It was the description given by Mark Quindoy to the investigators who arrived in Manila and was part of the official witness statement later included in the Prosecution Motion.

    Thirdly, in the respective fragment of the Current Affair program Mark Quindoy explains the reason why he was on the second floor at all – he was allegedly checking if the windows were closed, and this is how he happened to look out of the window. Mind you that the window on the landing was never opened – it was partially closed by a big statue of a girl and was simply inaccessible.

    Here is a quick transcript of the Current Affair fragment where Mark Quindoy explains what he allegedly saw and why he was on the second floor:

    Narrator: It’s not what Quindoy thinks, it’s what he says he saw in the two years that he and his wife worked for Jackson.
    Mariano “Mark” Quindoy: From that window you can look down towards the Jacuzzi and I was looking out, you know, checking whether they may have [not] closed the doors and the windows and I was just checking. I looked out and saw Michael with this kid whom I identified as boy No.1.
    You know, and I saw them kissing. You know, in the mouth. And I saw Michael holding this kid and putting his hand inside the undergarment of the kid. I thought to myself what [unintelligible] doing that.
    And I turned back, sat on the sofa for a while and I looked out again and saw what they were doing. This happened probably for about a minute – a minute and a half, and I decided to get down, and get out from the back door, and I went to my apartment and I told my wife Faye what I had just seen. And this confirmed our worst suspicions about Michael Jackson.

    Now we learn that he “turned back” and “sat on the sofa” and then “looked out again”, and all of it could certainly take place only on the second floor, and not on the stairs.

    Fourthly, the statue of a girl on the landing was quite tall, probably taller than a man of an average height, and Mark Quindoy was short.

    This leaves us with only one remaining possibility – that he went up the steps and was standing on the top of the stairs trying to look into that smaller window on the landing over the head of the statue. But then it begs the question – what for would Mark Quindoy go into so elaborate explanations about the second-floor window, if he could simply say that when going down the stairs he noticed all of it in the window on the landing, just over the head of that statue?

    It’s obvious that his description was made post-factum, otherwise he wouldn’t have made so big a blunder. And this means that the story about his “diary” is fake, same as its content.

    I’ve made screenshots of all those windows but can’t post them in the comments, so will probably have to update the post.

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  5. susannerb permalink*
    November 4, 2019 11:10 am

    “The Jacuzzi area is well lit.”

    This is a joke: Why should Michael abuse a boy in an area which is well lit at night – where a lighting system would illuminate his actions like on a film set. Apart from the trees in front of the arcade window he could have been seen by anybody walking around because somebody could hide in the dark around the jacuzzi and would not have been seen by Michael himself. This would have been too dangerous for an abuse, with dozens of employees at Neverland whose job was to observe the area. And I don’t think that Michael was so trustful towards his employees that they would completely follow an instruction to keep away from this area.
    They describe Michael as somebody who didn’t care about being seen, who was completely indifferent about being caught in the act, when in reality Michael was a very fearful and even paranoid person. Completely unrealistic!

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  6. November 4, 2019 11:55 am

    Awesome article. I’m very interested in reading the rest.

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  7. November 4, 2019 2:11 pm

    “Completely unrealistic!” – susannerb

    Susanne, I agree, the lights make Mark Quindoy’s story completely unrealistic. Add to it that besides the lights the pool area was equipped with video cameras all around and this makes his story even more absurd.
    This post has some details about those cameras: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/neverland-helps-to-tell-the-innocent-truth-about-michael-jackson/

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  8. pamelaegeonu permalink
    November 22, 2019 11:14 am

    Hi Helena, please can you clarify more on the Quindoys statement that “he let his young guests stay in his inner room” which they told Geraldo before they made the allegations in 93. Which do you think is true, what they told Geraldo, or the prosecution motion which stated that “the bed wasn’t slept in”?

    Since it turns out that Michael was recording a song at that time and wasn’t at Neverland. If there statement to the prosecution was more accurate, then what was the need to tell Geraldo that he kept young guests there?? I want to understand the usefulness of this detail.

    I am a little confused, please help out.

    Thanks

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  9. November 22, 2019 6:29 pm

    “Which do you think is true, what they told Geraldo, or the prosecution motion which stated that “the bed wasn’t slept in”? If there statement to the prosecution was more accurate, then what was the need to tell Geraldo that he kept young guests there?? I want to understand the usefulness of this detail.” – pamelaegeonu

    The Quindoys were at Neverland within the period of 6 months to a year and 3 months (according to different accounts) and they claimed that they cleaned Michael’s room for one month only. Their statement to the police was that “the bed was not slept in” presumably during that month.
    And to Geraldo they spoke in general, “that the young guests would usually stay in the upper bedroom.”

    But since at the time of those interviews they were litigating Michael Jackson these remarks look to me like a veiled threat sent to MJ via TV – something like “If you don’t pay us $283,000, in our next interview we will present the very same idea at a different angle”. This is why he mentioned it all, because otherwise there was no need to talk about it.

    Their interviews began in February 1992 (Geraldo was in summer 1992) and they left in August 1990, so they waited for more than a year before they decided to “take action” and force Michael to pay them by going on TV and suddenly making public appearance there. And if they had already left for the Philippines and had to return to the US to make those interviews, it will look even stranger. Few people will take that long a journey just for a couple of interviews, especially since Geraldo was not paying them.

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  10. vulcan permalink
    December 8, 2019 11:09 am

    So MJ made sure he told Quindoy he will go to the Jacuzzi
    with a boy, in a well lit area where he could know he could
    be seen and then decided to molest the boy then and there
    even tough Safechuck says that they were always very careful
    when others were around, and “not getting caught was fundamental”
    and MJ set up a secure place with alarm locks and multiple doors
    to avoid detection.

    Safechuck Robson their lawyers the DAs and the media and these
    ex employee always want to have it both ways:

    1. MJ was so brazed than he molested boys where his employees
    could easily see it and he even molested boys in the parents
    homes over and over again where no alarm or locks protected him

    2. MJ was so careful he installed the alarm and locks
    and do not disturb sign

    Which one was it? They pull either card to prove he was a molester
    and don’t even notice both can’t be true at the same time

    Quindoy’s anecdotes came from Gutierrez. The whole idea
    of them having a diary full of molestation anecdotes
    is eerily similar to Gutierrez’s idea that Jordan had a diary
    documenting his molestations.

    Gutierrez writes in his book that Pellicano told him
    you are with the Quindoys and there he claimed he didn’t
    know much about them but would like to talk to them.
    There is no doubt he did talk to them, just like he talked to other employees who then sold his stories to tabloids, he gave them that “diary” filled with his sick, absurd and even impossible
    tales.

    Since Safechuck’s and Robson’s stories are also full of Gutierrez’s ideas no wonder
    they are using Gutierrez’s pawns like Quindoy, Francia, Michaels as “witnesses”

    Look at all the recurring elements, this cannot be just a coincidence, there is a common source here:

    1. Quindoy seeing underwear on the floor (same as Blanca Francia
    and Kassim Abdool and Adrian McManus claims, all three Gutierrez’s pawns)

    2. Quindoy seeing MJ molest boys in the water (same as Chacon, Blanca claimed, McManus also claimed to see underwear in the Jacuzzi inside the house, even though no accuser claimed they were with MJ in that indoor Jacuzzi at all)

    3. Quindoy saying he saw MJ molest a boy in the Jacuzzi from the second floor
    of the arcade. Same as Charli Michaels story, who sold her stories
    to Hard Copy talking to Dimond who of course named Gutierrez as one of his best
    sources. What are the chances that two employees saw the same thing from the same spot and both of them sell it to tabloids but none of them reports it to the parents or the police not even after leave their employment?
    Charli Michaels also had a story of seeing MJ molest Robson in the theater
    the story is eerily similar to Blanca Francia’s shower story which of course is provably
    bogus according to Blanca’s own sworn depositions in 1993 1994. She didn’t tell this story to the police in Sept 1993 but then told it to Hard Copy, for money.

    4. Quindoy talking about MJ and boys like they had a honeymoon and newlywed
    . Gutierrez said the same about MJ and Jordan but Jordan himself
    and the other Chandlers never claimed this. This is Gutierrez’s fantasy
    consistent with his NAMBLA propaganda that the boys were in love with MJ
    and had a consensual relationship

    5. The anecdote about Quindoy seeing MJ molest Robson in a car
    eerily similar to Gutierrez’s story in his book of MJ trying to kiss Brett
    Barnes in a car while Melanie Bagnall witnessed and heard it all.
    Again, makes no sense that MJ would do this in front of an employee
    if at the same time he wanted to hide the boys so much and
    was super careful and all. And of course in Gutierrez’s book MJ was also
    “affectionate” with “Brett Barnes in the limo while June and Jordan were
    there in the same car. The story is fiction, contradicted by June’s testimony.
    It shows that Gutierrez liked the idea of MJ molesting in cars while others
    could see and here him. Same shit Quindoy said.
    Should be noted that Robson did not include this anecdote in his first two
    complaints even though he told Matt Laurer that he never forgot one minute
    MJ did to him. Still this story only appeared in his third amended complaint.
    I’m sure he will blame it on his “evolving” memory

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  11. December 9, 2019 5:06 pm

    “Look at all the recurring elements, this cannot be just a coincidence, there is a common source here” – vulcan

    Of course Gutierrez is a common denominator for all those “witness statements”, but there is one small detail here. Each time I read their statements and compare them with Gutierrez’s book I ask myself a question – who was the first to tell those lies? If we had the depositions of these people from 1993/94 the way those lies evolved would immediately become clear. But without them the sequence of who was the first to invent them and who was only repeating is quite a puzzle to solve.

    For example, look at the story told by Orietta Murdock in 1993/94 and stated in full seriousness in Sneddon’s 1108 Motion in 2004 and Gutierrez’s description of the same, made in 1996.
    The stories are practically identical and both are laughable – at least to us who know that the whole thing is absurd, especially if it was supposed to take place during Robson’s first visit to the US.

    Orietta Murdock’s story as stated in the 1108 motion in 2004:

    “In the course of her employment, Ms. Murdock became aware that Jackson met the Robson family as a result of Wade Robson winning a dance contest, which may have been sponsored by the Disney Company. Part of the prize was the opportunity to meet Michael Jackson. Robson met Jackson in Westlake, California. Jackson asked Mr. and Mrs. Robson if he could spend the afternoon with the young Wade, and the parents consented. Jackson, however, did not return the boy to his parents that afternoon. In fact, Jackson did not return the child until the next night, and then only after being contacted by Disney security guards who told Jackson that the parents had to catch a plane back to Australia, and were now running late.”

    Gutierrez’s story from his 1996 book told in the name of Robson’s mother Joy:

    ” When my son was five, he won a dance contest in Australia. The prize was to meet Michael Jackson and go to Disneyland. And so we met him in Australia. Right away, Michael gave Wade presents and gave us a fax machine so that they could communicate better. The trip to Disneyland would come four years later. We arrived in the United States in September of 1991. On the first day, my husband took Wade to the recording studio to meet Michael. When they met, Michael asked if he could leave Wade with him and he would drop him off later in the afternoon. My husband said it was okay. Michael, though, didn’t bring him back as promised, and I began to call his office like crazy so that I could locate Wade. Finally, one of the secretaries was able to locate Michael and called me at the hotel to say that Wade was okay. I didn’t see my son until the next day. That was my welcoming to the United States.”

    Unfortunately, many may take the above bullshit at its face value, but for us who really know all of it is downright crazy. These pieces are so crammed with lies that it is sheer insanity. You can’t even use these statements for analysis – all you can do is flash them down the toilet.

    But my question is who was the first to invent it? Orieta Murdock who said it sometime in 1993/94 and later repeated it for Sneddon’s motion? Or Gutierrez who wrote about it in 1996 and Murdock took it from his book?

    Or did Gutierrez share this craziness with Murdock in 1992* when he was talking to all those maids, drivers, bodyguards, etc. in Michael’s household? This variant looks to me the most probable and is partially confirmed by another strange fact – all these people formed a closely-knit group who worked together and then left at approximately the same time.

    Here is the time of their work at Neverland:
    • Orietta Murdock: 1989 – beginning of 1991
    • Blanca Francia: 1986 – June 1991
    • Mark and Faye Quindoy: May 1989 – August 1990.
    • Philippe and Stella LeMarques who replaced the Quindoys worked for 6 months only between January and July 1991 and left (or were dismissed) at the same time as Blanca Francia.
    • Charlie Michaels left a year later, but still spent a lot of time together with all the others. Her employment at Neverland was March 21, 1990 – March 6, 1992.

    To me the fact that all those “witnesses” against Jackson left at approximately the same time looks very strange.
    It suggests that all of them were sort of coached by Gutierrez (and someone else?) in 1990-1992 for a hatchet job against Michael, and that this period was crucial for deciding Michael’s fate.

    * I now recall that Gutierrez claimed he met the Robsons in 1992, and therefore made up that story after meeting them.
    So the author of that twisted story is Gutierrez, who then shared it with Orietta Murdock.
    And since they are identical it proves Murdock’s close cooperation with Gutierrez.

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