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What Michael Jackson, Laura Nyro & Donna Summer had in common: DAVID GEFFEN

March 2, 2020

Reader luv4hutch has sent us the summary of his debate with a friend about Michael Jackson and asked for a comment or post about it. And though our waiting list is already long, let it be another unexpected post that precedes everything else.

The person who goes as a “Producer” in the debate is a producer working in the entertainment industry. His views about Jackson are standard for the people of his trade – they were formed by very many years of listening to rumor and innuendo from the so-called reliable people in Hollywood, generating inflated stories and feeding on them too, and also some scraps of insider’s information which may be occasionally true. All of it has long cemented into their rock solid confidence that no one can possibly know more about Jackson and that everything to know about him is already there.And since these people see no need in learning anything new or fact-checking the earlier stories we can safely say that they got stuck in the past, in a sort of Stone Age with regard to Michael Jackson.

“Reader” is the initiator of the debate who is apparently sitting on the fence and is torn between his friend who seems to be so knowledgeable about Jackson and his own doubts in the veracity of claims about him.  His views are more or less typical of the present of Michael Jackson – which is still controversial and unclear for the majority of people.

And we here represent Michael Jackson’s future. After more than 10 years of research of every pro and con argument we are one hundred per cent certain that Michael Jackson was innocent and consider it only a matter of time when it becomes obvious to everyone else. This confidence arose from examining every story about Jackson and after finding nothing incriminating there we have moved on to explore the unchartered waters and the subjects of our interest now are somewhat bewildering to the uninitiated – like the role of a certain Victor Gutierrez or David Geffen in Michael Jackson’s fate, for example.

So the main difference between us is that we know everything they know, while they don’t have even a fraction of our knowledge. They think they possess some precious insiders’ information and do not understand that we have already dissected their knowledge into a million pieces and have discarded it all after examining it several times over, and are far ahead of these people now. So far ahead that it is actually a bore to go over it again and again.

However I will still make a comment on an issue that needs clarification and further research and is actually what our Friend started with.

Producer: Geffen came on to Michael and got turned down? Well, that’s funny, considering before Michael had a taste for more dubious activities, he had a taste for men. I know of several men who can be reliably stated to have dated Michael, Jehovah Witness-ism to the contrary.

VMJ: Several men reliably stated it? If Scott Thorson is one of those highly reliable people here is a post about this character. As regards the opinion of Hollywood at large, our Friend should know better than others that there are no reliable sources in Hollywood – everyone lies there and everyone repeats someone else’s false story.

And this isn’t just my opinion – it is a statement of the Los Angeles Magazine that presented it as an indisputable fact in its March 2004 issue:

Hollywood has never been easy to write about. There’s the fact that everyone does lie and that few sources go on the record.

The above was written with reference to Bernard Weinraub of the New York Times, who used to be a reliable journalist until he moved to Los Angeles in 1991 and started reporting on Hollywood, and this is when his close association with the Hollywood bigwigs turned into a problem.

Everyone in Hollywood read and listened to him, and searched for the nuances of meaning of what Bernard Weinraub said, and this turned him into a powerful player who could make or break careers, or was a kiss of death as it was in Mike Ovitz’s case, for example.

The article says that Bernard Weinraub was relying on a small group of sources and was way too close to David Geffen and the Walt Disney Motion Pictures chairman Joe Roth.

So if we consider his influence and connections, the combination of both boils down to the fact that while the Hollywood crowd was hanging on each Bernie’s word the latter was hanging on each word of David Geffen (and Joe Roth).

Add to the picture journalists like Kim Masters from a pro-Geffen team who covered Hollywood for the Vanity Fair and was also a staff writer for the Washington Post, and you will realize that Hollywood and entertainment business were essentially buzzing with the news David Geffen wanted them to know.

The above just shows how ‘reliable, objective and unbiased’ the news circulating in Hollywood was and probably is.

As to Michael Jackson’s alleged taste for men, people in Hollywood were certainly sure that this was the case though there was no evidence except that Michael didn’t take part in the usual bacchanals (highly suspicious in and of itself for entertainment people), while Michael stayed away from the crowd and was horrified by the rumors – in the true spirit of his Jehovah Witness views of course.

Darwin Porter, one of Michael’s worst vilifiers says that Michael would complain to James DeBarge and his sister Janet during their brief 3 months-long marriage that the stories spread about him were extremely painful to him. Michael was never critical but simply stated that he was not gay, probably occasionally quoting the Bible, but this was enough to alienate the entire gay community, at least according to Porter:

On those nights alone with Janet and DeBarge, Michael would sometimes discuss how painful it was to have the tabloids publish their accusations of homosexuality. “Michael Jackson made charges of being gay sound like a case of leprosy,” said gay activist Kevin Macmillan. “He alienated the entire gay community the way that Tom Cruise would do in years to come. The signal that both Cruise and Jackson gave out was that to be gay was the most scandalous and horrible thing that could happen to a guy. Thanks a lot, fellows.”

But if Michael alienated the entire gay community this means that David Geffen was alienated too and his animosity towards Michael could easily spring from their conflict of views over the subject.

Of all reasons for his ugly feuds with other people the mere suspicion that someone could have a difference of opinion on this matter was enough for Geffen to savage lots and lots of people – Mike Ovitz, Donna Summer and Michael Jackson included, not to mention Walter Yetnikoff whose sharp tongue cost him his whole life career.

Producer: I mean, Geffen in his dotage is not exactly anyone’s first choice, look at him now compared to when he was younger, but still. That’s it? That’s what they’re saying? That Michael rebuffed him and that’s why? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to make light of David Geffen. You cross that guy at your peril. But if he was behind it, he’d need more justification than that. Especially when he has his pick of any number of guys on SeekingArrangement. Michael not sharing his bed or signing with his label would not be world-shattering for him.

Reader: Geffen’s done far worse for people who’ve done less. He’s extremely petty. It wasn’t so much Michael turning him down alone, it was also that Geffen wanted him to leave Epic Records, but he never did.

VMJ: Well, it wasn’t only that, but I fully agree that Geffen did far worse to many people who had done less to him.  Look at the fate of Laura Nyro, for example.


She was the wonder of the 1970s who had a unique voice and wrote her own music but was reckless enough to change from Geffen’s label to Columbia Records and whose career was then sabotaged by Geffen for the rest of her short life.

Laura Nyro

The official story of their cooperation is of course much different and puts all glory on Geffen for his talent to develop hers, for inspiring her, giving her fame and money, etc. and then mentions a sharp decline in her career when she ‘lost him in her life’.

It is Mr. Geffen’s relationship with Miss Nyro, who has since fallen from the pinnacles of popular success, that perhaps best illustrates his well-known talent for developing talent.  He worked with her. He inspired her. He knew how to package and celebrate her idiosyncratic style. Between his stays at Ashley and Creative, he and Miss Nyro became partners in a successful music publishing firm called Tuna Fish. In 1969 they sold Tuna Fish to CBS for $4 million.

But the book about Laura Nyro is not that flattering to Geffen. After leaving his label she wrote a song “Money” – the title later used by Michael Jackson for his own song too and incidentally also after his fallout with the same character who had sat on his board of directors for full ten years.

The book about Laura Nyro (‘Soul picnic – the music of Laura Nyro’) provides some details:

Nyro and her bookkeeper mother Gilda – who vehemently distrusted Geffen and questioned everything he did – also didn’t like the fact that fully half the proceeds of her contract went to her manager. Her composer/journalist friend Carman Moore remembers that just the name Geffen would raise her hackles.

“Laura felt he had made his fortune on her back,” he says. “She felt their relationship had been betrayed, and for her that would be much worse than anything having to do with money.”

From Nyro’s viewpoint, the whole deal treated her as a piece of flesh. She would later take revenge in the only way she knew how:  She’d write a song called “Money” on her next album, in which she complained, “Money money money/ I feel like a pawn in my own world/ I found the system and I lost the pearl.”

For David Geffen, however, the betrayal had been Nyro’s, not his. “After we announced that she was going to be the first artist on Asylum Records, she changed her mind and behind  my back signed with Columbia Records,” he says. “She wanted me to continue to be involved as her manager, but she didn’t want to record for Asylum Records. But that was the end of our relationship. I was mad at her.

“I can’t help but believe that the loss of me in her life, in terms of her career, was extraordinarily significant,” says Geffen. “It think she never recovered from it.” In their brief conversation, he felt that Nyro seemed said that he still hadn’t gotten over his feelings of anger and betrayal. But in his mind, she had never made amends to him that he considered meaningful.”

Nothing can be more tell-tale than this ‘loss of me in her life’ statement. Geffen is so self-centered that he doesn’t even realize how self-aggrandizing and petty it sounds besides making it clear that he did put a hand to her downfall. And a man-made downfall it was, considering that she signed with the powerful Columbia Records but was little heard of since then.

You might think Laura Nyro was not brilliant enough? Then listen to her live performance here:

Save The Country – Laura Nyro

In 2010, Laura Nyro was posthumously inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame with her name put beside composers like George Gershwin and in 2012 she was also inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

What really happened to Laura Nyro is described by a Hollywood insider (decide for yourself whether the source is reliable or not):

From what I know about Laura Nyro she was a died in the wool New Yorker and did NOT want to move out to California, where Geffen had relocated and set up his record company. In the beginning of her career he had managed her and guided her to fame and fortune. He wanted to go west and she refused and therefore did not sign with his record company. All of her friends and family, which she was very close to, were in NYC and so she chose to stay and sign with Columbia.

DG NEVER forgave her and felt backstabbed. After the schism, through his power and influence, she didn’t get much airplay or promo for her subsequent Columbia albums in which there was some very fine music. He must’ve had big influence at Columbia as well because they didn’t do much to further her music. She must have been permanently on DG’s shitlist in which one never gets off of.

Sadly she died of cancer in 1997 at the age of 49.

The essential point confirmed by the above is that no matter how phenomenally talented the artist is the moment she/he is placed on Geffen’s permanent ‘shitlist’ their career will go downhill and will be sabotaged regardless of the music label they sign with.

And in order to get on Geffen’s enemy list all you need to do is change from his label to another one which routinely happens to lots of singers and artists without the risk of falling victim to the vengeance of their former managers.

But not in the case of Geffen which proves the veracity of the following statement:

“David will do anything for you if you’re his friend,” says Howard Rosenman, a movie producer and, yes, a friend. “But if you’re his enemy, well, you might as well kill yourself.”

Kurt Cobain

Just as a side note let me mention that some of his label signees did kill themselves – Kurt Cobain, for example, and Avicii (Tim Bergling) who also signed with Geffen’s label when it was officially relaunched in 2017.

The reasons for both suicides are unknown, but even if there was no foul play involved, the money machine they found themselves in was apparently too much for both of them to survive. 

Avicii (Tim Bergling)

Avicii’s family directly blamed the business machine for his untimely death in 2018:

“He really struggled with thoughts about Meaning, Life, Happiness. He could not go on any longer. He wanted to find peace. Tim was not made for the business machine he found himself in; he was a sensitive guy who loved his fans but shunned the spotlight” the family statement said.

Money certainly wasn’t the meaning of Tim Bergling’s life who once said, “I discovered when I started making money that I didn’t really need it” and this alone defines Avicii and Geffen as people from different planets.

To me it is obvious that the difference of opinion over such existential matters like Meaning, Life and Happiness is where David Geffen’s most infamous feuds stemmed. In contrast with his business conflicts, here today and gone tomorrow, the rifts with those whose moral values clashed with his own were life-long and irreparable, and the ramifications that followed – the ruin of these people’s careers, reputations and even lives – were just a tool of Geffen’s relentless revenge for the real or imagined clashes of the essential life values. 

Michael Jackson’s case with Geffen seems to fall into this category – he wasn’t Geffen’s business rival, but though being soft-spoken and shy Michael had some really strong Jehovah Witness’s views on things like Meaning, Life, Happiness, Love and God.

He never imposed them on anyone but if provoked to express them he could be quite open and direct.

Considering that Michael Jackson named Geffen as the one who sank his career, we can be sure that the fallout did take place, only we don’t know the reason why, but what cannot be disputed is that their moral values were not only different but were the opposite and it was only a matter of time when they were bound to clash.

Somehow this reminds me of an episode when Joe Jackson lost patience with Michael’s reserve and summoned two prostitutes into his room to only find later that Michael spent time with these women reading the Bible to them – this is how far misunderstanding of each other may go even between father and son due to the difference in their life values.

What I mean is that if Geffen crossed some lines too, it was inevitable for him to face Michael’s resistance, and most probably in the form of a quote from the Bible which otherwise Michael would have kept to himself.

Before the year 1990 their interaction was rather formal with seemingly no cloud on the horizon, but as soon as Geffen’s team grabbed the power over MJ’s life in mid-1990, and Geffen’s friend Sandy Gallin became Michael’s manager and they even began partying together, a certain rift happened and it was big enough for Geffen to turn into Michael’s implacable foe.

Michael Jackson and Madonna at Sandy Gallin’s birthday party in 1991

In fact it wouldn’t take much to set Geffen on a war path, and our Producer from Hollywood knows perfectly well that David Geffen could undermine any artist’s career and just for a remark.

And it is no use pretending that he doesn’t know of the fate of Donna Summer, for example.


At the time this supreme diva signed with Geffen Records in 1980 she was already on the top of the world charts, was a Grammy winner and had to her record eight gold albums and 10 million-selling singles registered under the Casablanca Records.

She skyrocketed to fame in 1976 and since then had an unbroken string of hits most of which she wrote herself:

“Maintaining an unbroken string of hits throughout the ’70s and ’80s, most of which she wrote, Donna Summer holds the record for most consecutive double albums to hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts (3) and first female to have four No. 1 singles in a 12 month period; 3 as a solo artist and one as a duo with Barbra Streisand.

A five-time Grammy winner, Donna Summer was the first artist to win the Grammy for Best Rock Vocal Performance, Female (1979, “Hot Stuff”) as well as the first-ever recipient of the Grammy for Best Dance Recording (1997, “Carry On”). In 2004, she became one of the first inductees, as both an Artist Inductee and a Record Inductee (for 1977’s “I Feel Love”) into the Dance Music Hall of Fame in New York City. It is estimated that Donna Summer has sold more than 130 million records worldwide.»

But that was before she signed with Geffen. What happened just a year later is described by an insider:

“Donna Summer, Geffen’s client and a super popular black singer back in the 70s wasn’t homophobic, but she was a believer in God and her only fault is that at the time she entrusted Geffen with her career she became a “new-born” Christian. We don’t know what happened between them soon after that, but in 1981 Geffen rejected her new album and it was released only 15 years later, in 1996 – when Donna Summer’s career had long been over and her music was already not in the trend. However the people who heard it say that it was ground-breaking for its time.”

‘Bravenewhollywood’ tells more:

Summer became a born-again Christian [in 1979]. Then came the big mess, the rumor spreading about her anti-gay comments at a concert, and that AIDS was God’s curse against homosexuality.

After boycotts, her own 10-year silence on the topic, and ignoring that ‘rumor’ did not help her defense, she finally denied the whole thing.

New York Post and other NY papers did their own research and couldn’t find a single eye witness to her supposedly saying that at a live concert. After all, it was strange words coming from the mouth of someone who had performed at many concerts for AIDS charity. In fact, she was a friend of Elton John’s AIDS foundation.

A boycott organization of sorts was formed and sales dropped to a new low.

It gets better… er, worse. Music mogul David Geffen who had spent a fortune acquiring Summer’s contract from Casablanca records, was now quite annoyed that she did a rock album. So the rumor coming out of the previous rumor became this theory that Geffen made up the ‘AIDS’ comment to punish the chart-topping star for going born again. [ ]

BNH reached out to author and longtime Donna Summer fan, Harrison Cheung and here is what he had to say.“She was my favorite singer, and in many ways formulated my ideas of marketing and helped me see the prejudice and injustice in the entertainment industry,” claims Cheung.

“She wrote her own songs, and her voice was incomparable. Her music was head and shoulders above anything else coming out in the disco genre,” he points out. “We tend to forget that she was the first female artist to use synthesizers, the first woman to win Best Rock female Grammy’. and her songwriting skills were diverse,” remarked the author and celebrity biographer.

“She wrote ‘Starting Over’, a hit country song for superstar Dolly Parton. It’s the media that pigeonholed her as Disco Queen, and left her significance at that. Radio rarely played her.”

Bruce Springsteen, a big fan of Summer, wrote two songs for her [ ] When she and Bruce Springsteen did their duet “Protection” – Springsteen had expressed wanting to work with her, because he felt the backlash against her was unfair and ‘overtly racist.

I can even remember music snobs dismissing her work without knowing much about her music.

So Bruce Springsteen was a huge fan of Donna Summer and her incredible vocals, and felt that the backlash against her was unfair, and wanted to produce her next album, but the project was also cancelled by Geffen who set her up with Quincy Jones instead.

Another point worthy of attention is that the search for the event to which the alleged anti-gay remark could be traced brought no result and this made people think that it was David Geffen himself who sent the rumor circulating and who orchestrated a hate campaign against the singer which ended in her almost universal boycott on the radio and at every other possible venue.

And the power of Geffen to generate rumor should not be underestimated.

The book about Laura Nyro cited above says that even in the 1970s “he was a networker extraordinaire, gaining information while exchanging gossip with a multitude of friends.“

The human Rolodex” is what Jac Holtzman, the former president of Elektra Records, calls him. Adds Ellen Sander, “There are three ways to get a story around: telephone, telegraph, and tell David Geffen.”

They also say that ‘if he wanted you there was no fighting it’:

“If he liked you and wanted you to be his friend, you had no choice,” adds Stephen Paley, who became both Geffen’s and Nyro’s friend … “There was once this science fiction movie about a spaceship that would suck things up into it. David was like that mother ship; if he wanted you, there was not fighting it. He’s very charismatic and likable and very enthusiastic.”

But the above quality is a double-edged sword because if there was no fighting him if he wanted someone he liked, it means that there was no fighting him either if he was mounting a hate campaign against someone he disliked. 

A simple reconstruction of the events suggests that Donna Summer could cite the Bible at some point, only it was not at a show where she didn’t have any Q&A sessions, but during a private conversation with Geffen which infuriated him and sent him planting the story in the gay community and fanning the flames all around the globe.

And while the rumor was spreading like wildfire Donna Summer was totally unaware of what was going behind her back and why her career had suddenly hit a wall.

When she finally learned about it she wrote that it was a terrible misunderstanding.

“I was unknowingly protected by those around me from the bad press and hate letters. …If I have caused you pain, forgive me.”

But it was too late of course.

Jet Magazine, 1989

However the rumors that led to her almost complete boycott were only part of the problem. The other part was that David Geffen kept rejecting her new albums.

The first album shelved by Geffen Records was “I’m a Rainbow” in 1981. She took it hard and said that it was like having a miscarriage. Besides losing the nearly finished album she was also forced to step away from her longtime collaborators and make a record with Quincy Jones.

I’m a Rainbow, a new wave – oriented double album was shelved by Geffen.

Reluctantly, Summer left Giorgio Moroder after seven years of collaboration, and began work with Quincy Jones for an album “Donna Summer”.

In 1982 Geffen released the Gold-certified, self-titled Donna Summer, and the new production from Quincy Jones was again in the Top 10 of the charts with the Grammy-nominated “Love Is In Control (Finger On The Trigger)”.

A second single, “State of Independence”, on which Michael Jackson sang background along with a veritable “who’s who” of the music world, became a sizable international hit but a minor hit in the US.

It seems that the Quincy Jones production wasn’t that successful after all.

However the quality of the earlier rejected album was so good that when it was finally released fifteen years later it left people bewildered and annoyed by what they called Geffen’s ‘stunning lapse of judgment’:


MUSIC JUNE 23, 2016

It’s been well over 30 years but I still find myself bewildered and annoyed in equal measure that Geffen Records (presumably label-head David Geffen, specifically) rejected Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder, and Pete Bellotte’s 1981 double album I’m a Rainbow,the artist’s ninth studio album. 

This stunning lapse of judgment is all the more bizarre considering the artist had just been lured away from Casablanca Records as one of Geffen’s first three signees (along with Joni Mitchell and John Lennon.) Geffen proceeded to force Summer to step away from her longtime collaborators and make a record with Quincy Jones (1982’s Donna Summer, which I also like very much).  

Coming on the heels of a long series of hit albums that not only sold millions of units but changed the face of popular music, Geffen Record’s rejection of I’m a Rainbow says far more about the intensity of the homophobic backlash against disco at pop radio at the time.

Though it was finally released in the mid-1990s, it is essentially a lost album, except among Donna’s most ardent fans.

Listening to I’m a Rainbow today, I can’t help but be impressed.  Track for track, I’m a Rainbow holds up remarkably well and several even stand up impressively with the very best work Summer did with Giorgio Moroder and co-producer Pete Bellotte. The threesome were the architects of Summer’s mid- to late-1970s juggarnaut and, if nothing else, the album should have been released out of respect for what they had already accomplished.  

Perhaps the biggest irony is that the “Moroder sound” epitomized on I’m a Rainbow was far from over when the album was rejected; some of his greatest successes came just after, including Irene Cara’s “Flashdance (What a Feeling)” in 1983 and Berlin’s “Take My Breath Away” from Top Gun a year later.

After all that trouble Donna Summer’s popularity began to decline. The media blamed it on the singer of course, presenting her ‘disappointing’ performance as the reason why Geffen Records decided to drop her in 1988:

The next few years saw Summer’s popularity decline….The single, Dinner with Gershwin, was a sizable international hit as well as being a Top Ten US R&B hit.

However, it was not enough to heal the difficult relationship with David Geffen. Summer left Geffen Records in 1988 to sign with Atlantic Records when he refused to release her next album.

The rift between Summer and Geffen was so big that the LA Times even reported their relationship as ‘difficult’ and ‘cooled’, their ‘ties severed’ with some ‘bad blood’ mentioned as their relationship ‘didn’t work out’ and they ‘couldn’t get together on points’.

“After commissioning the album and listening to the finished product, executives at the Los Angeles-based company decided late last month to drop Summer from her contract. The singer was quickly scooped up by New York-based Atlantic Records.

Industry insiders pointed to several factors as having cooled the Summer/Geffen relationship, including Summer’s desire to tone down the more provocative aspects of her persona following her early ’80s embrace of born-again Christianity.

“People can read a lot of things into (the severing of ties with Geffen),” said Summer’s attorney, Gerry Rosenblatt. “But the reality is that the relationship just didn’t work out.

“I don’t know if there was any bad blood; they just couldn’t get together on points. But I think if hits had happened, it would have been a different story. If they had sold a ton of records, everybody would be toasting each other. That’s just how it works.”

Gerry Rosenblatt said it was “kind of a shock” when label founder David Geffen phoned to say the label had decided to drop Summer.

“I remember he said, ‘I’m doing her a favor.’ And it may turn out to be for everybody’s benefit. Contractually they had to put the album out, but if they had put the album out and not marketed it, it wouldn’t have done anybody any good.”

So Geffen not only shelved her “I’m a Rainbow” album, but he also rejected her last one, only this time she was quickly scooped up by the Atlantic Records who released her new songs as “Another Place and Time” album.

What’s interesting is that its single “This Time I Know It’s For Real’ was an immediate success and brought her back the Gold-single status.

Summer rebounded again in 1989 with the album Another Place and Time, a collaboration with British top dance-pop songwriting and production team Mike Stock, Matt Aitken and Pete Waterman. “This Time I Know It’s For Real” became Summer’s fourteenth Top 10 Billboard Pop hit in the US and returned to her to Gold-single status.

So the brilliant Donna Summer did somewhat rebound, though never to the level of her earlier success, but what a devilish strategy it was – first boycott the singer and reject her albums, and then drop her as a has-been feigning disappointment with her performance!

Until her death in 2012 after a long battle with lung cancer, Donna had moderate success with the American public but was never abandoned by her fans. She still gave concerts – rarely and mostly in Europe, but her career in the US was finished.

And it would be a big folly to think that David Geffen had nothing to do with it.

Here is a video of Donna Summer’s in Belguim in 2005 and though she was already 57, her gorgeous voice is still mesmerizing and is giving me goosebumps.

The world has lost a diva.

Some ‘blind items’ describe the drama between a certain Mogul and an A+ singer as the Mogul’s personal vendetta against the singer whom he simply disliked, stressing that he destroyed her for wholly imagined reasons and that he is never willing to admit his mistakes.

The readers of this blind item unanimously interpreted it as Donna Summer’s unhappy interaction with Geffen:


This mogul is A list.

It seems like sometimes you can’t escape his name in this town. He built his name by destroying others who got in his way and those people he just didn’t like. He’s still that way but this is about the woman who he destroyed because of his own personal vendetta that was wholly imagined. The problem he has to this day is he never admits when he is wrong. It’s pretty tough to have any one like you or be your friend if you are unwilling to admit you are wrong.

This all started a few years ago. At the time this celebrity/singer was A+ list. She was on the top of the charts and the top of the world and was selling millions of records. At her peak she abruptly decided to switch record labels. The label she switched to was owned by our jerk mogul who fired the singer’s producer and told her all of her new songs she was recording were awful. They weren’t.

Shortly after he signed her to his label the two got into an argument because he didn’t believe she was tolerant of other people. Time and again she had proven otherwise but now the mogul had it in his mind that she wasn’t and leaked false stories to newspapers and magazines that the singer was using slurs against a group of people.

Our singer started to sue the mogul but he paid her off and she went away barely to be heard from ever again. Meanwhile, those songs that were so awful? He gave them to the singer who always covered for him and it relaunched her career and gave her a string of number one songs.


  • This is totally Donna Summer and David Geffen. He shelved an album she had already recorded with Giorgio Moroder and practically forced her to work with Quincy Jones, which didn’t turn out to be very successful and started her career slide. The singer who always “covered” for him is Cher. She was his beard before he came out as gay.
  • Yeah this screams Geffen whose BFF is Cher but not sure how many #1 songs she has.
  • I’m on board with the Donna Summer/David Geffin/Cher guess. Those anti-gay rumours destroyed Donna’a career despite her repeated denials that she said no such thing, and the only witnesses were “friends of friends who had a cousin who was there” sort of thing. The only thing that doesn’t fit is the “going away never to be heard from again”. Donna had a comeback in the early 90’s.

Hopefully the above will give everyone enough evidence that a wholly imagined reason was enough for Geffen to orchestrate an ugly campaign against the super popular artist and bring her career to an end by rumour alone.

But if Geffen could do that to a diva like Donna Summer, there is no reason to doubt that he could do it to Michael Jackson too, and exactly for the same reason – a chance remark in a private conversation, Michael’s religious views or his overall moral values that were actually the opposite to those of Geffen.

Especially since there are some scraps of information here and there that Geffen did put Michael Jackson on his ‘shitlist’ and Michael himself said that it was David Geffen who sank his career.

In fact Geffen’s modus operandi of making venomous leaks to the media and sending wild gossip around is quite recognizable by now, and the sheer number of people brought down by him for the imagined slights is too big not to realize that Geffen is capable of manufacturing worldwide negative publicity and pulling the industry and media strings against those he dislikes.

It was done once, to Laura Nyro. It was done twice, to Donna Summer. It was done on numerous occasions to Geffen’s other opponents some of whom don’t even know why they landed on his enemy list. And it could certainly be done again, to Michael Jackson this time.  

Somehow the media recent readiness to skip the need to first prove Robson’s and Safechuck’s wild allegations and only then come to any conclusions, and the way they immediately proceeded to taking off Michael Jackson’s music off the air, shows the same modus operandi as in Donna Summer’s case and reminds me that the campaign against her had the same goal – to stop her music and make people forget about her existence altogether. The goal that was unfortunately almost completely achieved.   

But what could be the reason for such animosity towards Jackson?

Mike Ovitz who is indisputably another of Geffen’s victims, sighed when he was asked about the reason for Geffen’s campaign against him:

He sighs. “I don’t know what it is about me and Geffen,” Ovitz says. “I’ve done everything I can to make peace with this guy. He’s hated me from the first time I can remember. I sent [entertainment lawyer] Bert Fields to talk to him once to try and find out where this all began, and Bert told me not even Geffen could remember.… David tries to destroy everything close to me. He went after my kids. He spread rumors about them. The guy is totally immoral, and he paints himself like this priest.

“This all started at CAA,” Ovitz goes on. “I didn’t want to go to Geffen’s house for lunch every Sunday. I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t sacrifice my kids for that. I was at my kids’ Little League games. I just wouldn’t do it.  Ron [Meyer] was the guy who watched that group for me. Ron protected me. And when he stopped, those guys came down on me like a ton of bricks.

So if our Producer from Hollywood still needs some justification for Geffen’s hate towards Michael Jackson, how about Michael not going to Geffen’s house for lunch every Sunday? Will it suffice?

All of it could still be a speculation if David Geffen hadn’t provided the evidence of his hatred against Michael Jackson himself.

His acute interest in the false “Leaving Neverland’ movie indicates that he is still keeping close track of the events around Michael Jackson’s name and the fact that he screened that movie to Oprah Winfrey on his yacht right after it premiered at the Sundance festival is reason enough to suspect that he is personally interested in ripping Michael’s reputation into pieces.

He wanted negative publicity about MJ well before the movie was shown by HBO to the world public.

Otherwise this highly strange occurrence taking place on Oprah’s birthday – a four-hour long movie about the alleged child sexual abuse shown to entertain (?) the host’s guests after they ate their cake cannot be explained.

Here is the story for those who missed it (slightly shortened):

Oprah Winfrey celebrated her 65th birthday on board David Geffen’s yacht

Oprah celebrates her birthday in St Barts aboard David Geffen’s $300M megayacht watching Michael Jackson documentary with her best friend Gayle


30 January 2019 

The billionaire birthday girl jetted out of California on Monday and headed own to the island nation, where she and best friend Gayle King were guests on the megayacht of good friend and constant travel partner David Geffen.

Also joining the two aboard the $300 million Rising Sun was King’s son Will Bumpus and another young man, who after enjoying dinner and some cake spent the rest of the evening watching the upcoming HBO documentary Leaving Neverland.

King later raved about Leaving Neverland, which details how Michael Jackson allegedly raped two young boys for years.

‘Just watched ALL FOUR hours of Leaving Neverland.. powerful, compelling & a game changer for those who have been afraid to speak up of child sex abuse,’ wrote King. 

It is unclear if Winfrey and King watched Leaving Neverland with their host for the week, who had a tumultuous relationship with the King of Pop. 

Geffen and Jackson were at times the best of friends, while there was also a period during which the singer was said to have placed curses on the billionaire.

This was reportedly over Jackson’s desire to be a silent partner in Dreamworks with Geffen and Steven Spielberg, a plan that reportedly did not work out in the end because of the pop star’s demands.

Geffen has recently posted two photos of himself and the King of Pop on his Instagram from the 1980s, including one of the pair with Madonna. 

No one appears more on Geffen’s Instagram than Oprah however, who is a frequent guest aboard the Rising Sun.

She was on the yacht this past August for a trip around Italy with Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, Bradley Cooper and Lloyd and Laura Blankfein. 

That trip has become an annual tradition for Oprah, who in 2017 enjoyed the Amalfi coast with Geffen and guests Diane Sawyer, Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg. 

Let us thank the Daily Mail for the report and pictures – they were quite helpful and illuminating. And the note about Geffen’s tumulous relationship with Michael Jackson was just what we were looking for.


When Donna Summer was asked about the artists she felt a kinship with, she named only one person and that was Michael Jackson.

You will find it in the piece below dated 2008 that will also clarify other issues about Donna Summer – the wild parties in the ’70s, a suicide attempt and the born-again Christian views that finally grounded her. The excerpt starts with Donna Summer returning to the US after living in Germany as an expatriate American musical-theater singer.

Donna Summer: too hot to handle

By Craig McLean

13 Jun 2008

By the time Summer returned to America in 1975 she was a huge pop star in her homeland and – to her mortification – a sex symbol.

‘Oh my gosh, that was very strange. Being a sex symbol was just a joke to me: “You’ve got to be kidding me. How am I going to do that?” And Giorgio was like, “You’re an actress, just act.”?’

‘So I took on this character,’ she says now, ‘and eventually it just fitted me.’

The late 1970s were a whirl for Summer. She partied at the legendary New York club Studio 54. ‘It was a very wild time, and you could get lost. Lots of people did, and they died too.’ She has admitted that she dabbled with drugs. This, pre-awareness of AIDS, was the disco ethos: party hard and party fast, ‘because back then, people thought when the year 2000 comes we’re all going to die. I’m serious! That was a subconscious mindset.’

By 1979 Donna Summer was the biggest-selling female artist in the world. Were there any artists she felt a kinship with? ‘I think at times I felt a kinship with Michael, Michael Jackson – at some point,’ she says. ‘Then of course he went on to do other things.’

Jackson was a member of the all-star chorus on Summer’s 1982 hit State of Independence, alongside Stevie Wonder, Kenny Loggins and two of her sisters. ‘A couple of other people I met along the way – Roberta Flack,’ she continues. ‘But I really never had that much interaction with other people.’

… by the end of the 1970s Summer was beset by crises. She was in legal dispute with her record label, Casablanca, run by Neil Bogart, a major figure in the disco era and the man responsible for hyping up the sexual aspect of his hot new disco signing.

Eventually the courts ‘set me free’ – she did not receive any money, but was awarded the lucrative rights to her own song publishing. But she bears no grudges to Bogart, who died of cancer in 1982 aged 39. ‘I love Neil very much,’ she says. ‘Without him I probably wouldn’t be the Donna Summer people know.’

All this on the back of further physical trials Summer had weathered in the 1970s: [she] had already been suffering from headaches, insomnia and ulcers, was prescribed antidepressants, and developed what she described in a 1981 interview as ‘a very heavy’ dependence. In her 2003 autobiography, The Journey, she describes how she almost committed suicide by jumping out of a hotel window. ’79 was a rough year.’

That year, after joining a prayer group, Summer was born again. How did that manifest itself?

‘Well, I was Christian my whole life, but I didn’t really execute it – I didn’t live it. And I came back to realising that without it I couldn’t get through this stuff I had to go through. I needed something that grounded me and it had to be really strong.’

Reborn and refocused, Summer kept the hits coming. In 1980 she was one of the first three signings to Geffen, the new label being launched by the industry legend David Geffen. Her labelmates were Elton John and John Lennon. She branched out, too. She talked of writing a musical based on her life. It never came to pass, but the autobiography did.

Funny how that rumor about Geffen paying a fortune to get her out of her contract with Casablanca turns out to be a lie too? In reality it was the court that set her free – she didn’t receive any money but was awarded the publishing rights to her songs. Who sent that rumor about paying the fortune, I wonder?

And why doesn’t it surprise me that having strong religious views Donna Summer felt a kinship with Michael Jackson only and had little interaction with others in the entertainment industry?

And why isn’t it a surprise either that it was Quincy Jones who accused Michael in 2018 of stealing the Billie Jean song from Donna Summer? Here it is in case you don’t know:

February 9, 2018 – 2:23 pm by Lola Jacobs

In his tell-all Vulture interview, Quincy Jones’ first big secret was that Michael Jackson allegedly “stole” his greatest hit, “Bille Jean,” from Donna Summer.

Jones told Vulture, “Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs. [Donna Summer’s] ‘State of Independence’ and ‘Billie Jean.’ The notes don’t lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come.” And new evidence gives some validity to this statement.

TMZ took the liberty of slowing down Summer’s “State of Independence” and found undeniable similarities. The first eight seconds of Summer’s song essentially drove the entirety of “Billie Jean.” Jackson just had the bassline to disguise it.

Jackson may not have “stolen” the song per se. He did write new lyrics and change the tempo but there’s definitely some truth to Jones’ statement. It’s not altogether crazy. On top of that, MJ was a part of the group of singers who sang backup for the very same song. The song was released in the summer of ’82 and “Billie Jean” was released on the Thriller album that November.

While the hit was definitely propelled by “State of Independence,” it’s worth noting that Jones did produce the entire Thriller album. 

It is also worth noting that Quincy Jones produced both ‘Thriller’ and ‘Donna Summer’ albums, so if he finds fault with any of them now, he is the first to bear responsibility for the mishap.

But even without ‘Billie Jean’ Michael Jackson’s music legacy will be still fabulous, while Quincy Jones’s accomplishments are highly exaggerated, and what makes his dash of dirt at Michael so special is its timing – now that certain people are trying to destroy Michael Jackson’s reputation it takes a special kind of meanness to join the ochestrated chorus.

However the fact itself is not surprising. Quincy Jones’s somewhat condescending attitude towards Michael and occasional nasty remarks about him baffled me before, but now that we know that he was Geffen’s favourite things have finally begun to fall into their right place.

Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson and David Geffen at a party in Los Angeles in 1982 

This is what I actually like about our wholly mad times – with every new day it becomes easier to see who is who in this world as all covers suddenly begin falling and show people’s true worth. And what a surprise it is to see the result…

As regards Donna Summer and her thoughts about Michael Jackson here is what she said to Larry King on the day Michael Jackson died:

Larry King: Donna, you knew Michael, did you not?

Donna: Yes, I did. Yes.

Larry King: What are your thoughts, Donna?

Donna:  Well, I have to go on stage tonight and it is extremely difficult. It is such an incredible shock to me. I’ve known Michael for many years, we’ve worked together, done different things together over the years, and I know his family and it’s a total shock. And I have no words to say. I will miss Michael, the world will miss Michael and I am sure that the world is in a state of grief right now.

Larry King: Where are you performing tonight?

Donna Summer:  I’m north of Los Angeles, at ‘Casino Chumash’  

Larry King: Will you talk about him?

Donna Summer: I certainly will and will try to dedicate a song to him tonight.

Larry King: Donna, what was his greatness?

Donna: His greatness was perfection. And when you meet people like that, who are so given to doing things at the utmost and highest level, then it makes you up your game and Michael was one of those people who wouldn’t stop until he was perfect and he kept going even after that. So I will personally miss him, I will miss his life, I will miss his star, I will miss who he is and [what he] caused other people to become because of his greatness. He is up the standard.

Larry King: Did you let the stories about his personal life affect your feelings about him?

Donna Summer: Not at all. Not at all. Because I personally know that those stories aren’t true.  I can’t and don’t want to believe them because I know Michael and cannot even imagine that he would ever try to hurt a child. I personally feel more like it was exploitation from other people. I just don’t know whether true or not, but I just think that he was a sitting duck at times.

So Michael Jackson was a sitting duck.

Dictionaries define a ‘sitting duck’ as a ‘defenseless target, easy for an enemy to shoot and attack.’ And I’m afraid that Michael was indeed a sitting duck and we may even guess what hunter Donna Summer had in mind when she said it. For that ever-present foe shooting him was just a mere technicality.

And when people like Donna Summer say it, I tend to believe them – unlike the so-called reliable sources our Producer from Hollywood is feeding on.

After all she knew the entertainment industry inside out, personally interacted with the mogul and also had a tumulous relationship with him that led to the destruction of her stellar career. And all of it happened despite her diverse and brilliant talents and fantastic earlier accomplishments, and was done by just sending some rumor around and pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Here is a tribute to Michael Jackson from his fellow victim Donna Summer.

Donna Summer Speech and Song Tribute to Michael Jackson “Smile” (HD)

Donna Summer earned five Grammy Awards, six American Music Awards, three consecutive No. 1 platinum double albums (she’s the only artist, male or female, ever to accomplish this), 11 gold albums, four No. 1 singles, 2 platinum singles, and 12 gold singles. Donna was also the first female artist to have a No. 1 single and No. 1 album on the Billboard charts simultaneously (Live and More and “MacArthur Park” in 1978) a feat she also repeated six months later (Bad Girls and “Hot Stuff” in 1979). She has charted 21 No. 1 hits on the Billboard Disco/Dance charts, over a period of 25 years a milestone solidifying her as THE Queen of Dance.

In addition to her recording and performing career, Summer was an accomplished visual artist whose work has been shown at exhibitions worldwide, including Steven Spielberg’s Starbright Foundation Tour of Japan and The Whitney Museum as well as a prestigious engagement at Sotheby’s in New York.

Only imagine how much outstanding talent and fascinating music we have lost due to someone’s business or personal interests.

The loss is irreparable and unforgivable. And no amount of charity can replace it.

6 Comments leave one →
  1. donnafan65 permalink
    June 2, 2020 1:26 pm



  2. March 10, 2020 3:12 am

    Flower Power,
    Brett Barnes himself NEVER gave any numbers, and MJ also never said it (for the simple reason that he was never asked). And beside them nobody would even know.
    So, the mere fact that somebody else names the figures – 300, 325, 450 – means that they are lying and have an agenda.

    Barnes says he slept in MJ’s bed a lot of times, and nothing ever happened. So, even if he spent 4000000 night with MJ, what does the number matter, if MJ simply didn’t have that kind of “interest”, haters are implying?

    Barnes testimony in 2005:

    Q. Where is your home?
    A. Melbourne, Australia.
    Q. And what kind of work do you do?
    A. Right now I’m unemployed. I actually had to quit my job to come here.

    Q. Okay. Do you know the fellow seated to my right at counsel table?
    A. Absolutely.
    Q. Who is he?
    A. It’s my good friend Michael Jackson.

    Q. And is he a friend of your family?
    A. Absolutely.

    Q. Have you ever stayed in Michael Jackson’s bed?
    A. Yes, I have.
    Q. How many times do you think you have?
    A. Countless as well.
    Q. Has Mr. Jackson ever molested you?
    A. Absolutely not. And I can tell you right now that if he had, I wouldn’t be here right now.
    Q. Has Mr. Jackson ever touched you in a sexual way?
    A. Never. I wouldn’t stand for it.
    Q. Has Mr. Jackson ever touched any part of your body in a way that you thought was inappropriate?
    A. Never. It’s not the type of thing that I would stand for.

    Q. Are you aware of any allegations being made that Mr. Jackson inappropriately touched you when you were with him?
    A. Yes, I am. And I’m very mad about that.
    Q. You’re mad about it?
    A. Yeah.
    Q. Why?
    A. Because it’s untrue, and they’re putting my name through the dirt. And I’m really, really, really not happy about it.


  3. Flower Power permalink
    March 8, 2020 5:20 pm

    Hey, a few weeks ago I was on MJLies, and it said that Brett Barnes slept in the same bed as Michael for 450 days? Could you discuss that? I’m new here, and believe Michael Jackson should be vindicated.


  4. March 6, 2020 5:51 pm

    I really urge everyone to follow TSCM @mjjrepository on Twitter – the latest deposition excerpts published there are unique and provide proof that all those ‘key witnesses’ who were supposed to support Jordan Chandler’s case in a civil trial (if it had taken place) would have testified in favour of Michael Jackson, and not against him. And when Larry Feldman, police, the media and numerous authors were telling us the opposite it was a big fat LIE.

    Of course I wish we could have the full texts of these witnesses’ latest depositions, but probably these excerpts are the most TSCM can do – which is a lot the way it is. And each new document makes me look forward to a possible Robson/Safechuck trial which I personally would welcome very much, especially if it is televised.

    This will probably be the only way for millions of people to see all those lies go bust one after another and finally learn the truth about Michael’s innocence.


  5. March 6, 2020 5:27 pm

    @mjjrepository on twitter posted a rare article about the Chandlers from May 1993. I think there are alot of huge revelations in it because the source is most likely June’s family and friends. Now we know, (from June’s own camp) so very important facts.

    1. We know what Michael was really doing at their house. They were all in JUNE’s room laying in her bed watching TV.
    2. We know Michael was with BOTH children all the time.
    3. We know Michael was calling JUNE multiple times a day, not just Jordan.
    4. We know June and Michael were also together all the time.
    5. We know that Michael treated them like his wife and kids.

    You are right. Here is the article:

    Add to it that TSCM also posted excerpts from the deposition of Gary Hearne, Michael’s long-time chauffeur, who said that it was he who bought for June a necklace at Michael’s request, so the purchase was made before they went to Monaco. Michael explained that it was for ‘a special occasion’.

    Here is a thread about Gary Hearne (exceptionally interesting!):


  6. joy was a groupie permalink
    March 5, 2020 1:24 am

    @mjjrepository on twitter posted a rare article about the Chandlers from May 1993

    I think there are alot of huge revelations in it because the source is most likely June’s family and friends.

    From it we find out

    Oh and now we know, (from June’s own camp) so very important facts.

    1. We know what Michael was really doing at their house. They were all in JUNE’s room laying in her bed watching TV.

    2. We know Michael was with BOTH children all the time.

    3. We know Michael was calling JUNE multiple times a day, not just Jordan.

    4. We know June and Michael were also together all the time.

    5. We know that Michael treated them like his wife and kids.


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