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Michael Jackson’s Highly Likely Friendship With Donald Trump

August 29, 2022

It is Michael Jackson’s birthday today, and perhaps the best present to him and his memory would be another portion of truth about him and his friends.

By Michael Jackson’s friends I mean Donald Trump and the whole of the Trump family.

The Vulture article published in 2019 called Michael’s friendship with Donald Trump “unlikely”, however the many years of their companionship and the recent developments around Trump occurring after Michael’s death suggest to me exactly the opposite.

I mean that their friendship was highly likely.

Both of them were somewhat unpredictable and followed their own individual path, both didn’t go with the trend and were on their own, both were not easily bent and manipulated by the world establishment and its agenda – and this last point was probably the gravest of their sins in the eyes of the establishment, never to be forgiven.

Whatever the case, despite extreme pressure from the outside, Trump never wavered in his support of Michael Jackson during the most critical moments in Michael’s life – in the 1993 Jordan Chandler crisis, during the 2005 trial over that fake Arvizo case, and then forever after following Michael’s death.

Below are some excerpts from the Vulture article about that “unlikely” friendship. The sly hints dropped by its author that Trump has withdrawn his support of Michael after the “Leaving Neverland” film fantasy are certainly present there as a routine element of media poison about both guys, however those drops were mostly redacted by me due to my current zero tolerance towards such characteristically “ironic” but completely unsubstantiated suggestions.

Trump is probably too busy with his own harassment campaign to speak up for Michael Jackson at the moment, however something tells me that if he were given a chance to investigate the smear campaign against Michael, he would get down to the bottom of it because besides sharing an independent way of thinking both he and MJ seem to be sharing common enemies too.  

So here we go with the article published in “Vuture” in 2019, some of which should be taken with a grain of salt.

MAR. 6, 2019

Michael Jackson’s Unlikely Friendship With Donald Trump: A Timeline

By Kenny Herzog

“Throughout the 1980s and ’90s, there were few more famously wealthy Americans than Donald Trump and Michael Jackson, so it’s unsurprising they’d find themselves moving in similar circles, stepping out publicly at the same fashionable fundraisers and photo ops, and relating to one another’s lavish tendencies, be it gold toilets or private amusement parks. Their friendship continued into the 2000s, and despite the two men’s rapidly diverging paths, Trump continued to publicly support Jackson up through his 2009 death and beyond, painting the late King of Pop as “misunderstood” as recently as the lead-up to the 2016 election.

Again, President Trump has not commented publicly on Leaving Neverland; but the renewed controversy surrounding Jackson’s history inevitably reopens the book on one of his most curious grown-up companionships. Here, then, is a select, annotated timeline of the friendship of Michael Jackson and Donald Trump.

March 3, 1988: In the midst of Jackson’s marathon tour for Bad, the successor to his record-shattering Thriller, he swung through New York for a benefit concert and wowed thousands at Madison Square Garden. It was a performance the New York Times called a “mammoth pop-soul Halloween party.” A then-41-year-old Donald Trump was among those in attendance, and as he recalled to Larry King in 2009, “I spoke to him for a little while. He was low-key, and I’d think, ‘There’s no way this guy is going out to that stage to perform.’” It’s fair to assume Jackson likewise wouldn’t have assumed his new acquaintance would one day be president.

Unknown dates, 1989: In Ivana Trump’s 2017 memoir, Raising Trump, she detailed how Jackson, then 30, was a regular (supervised) playdate hang with Ivanka, Don Jr., and Eric. (Ivana alludes to Jackson having lived in Trump Tower at that time). According to Mr. Trump’s first ex-wife, Jackson and her three children would watch MTV or play video games or, naturally, “build Trump Tower in Legos.” And don’t even get her started on that time M.J. popped in for Ivanka’s school performance of The Nutcracker.

April 6, 1990: Today, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City is essentially a glorified way station for seniors shuttling from bus depots to all-you-can-eat buffets. But when it opened on April 2, 1990, the fervor was intense, as if Trump had successfully airlifted the glamorous heyday of mid-century Las Vegas to a sleepy seaside town on New Jersey’s shoreline. Then, on April 6, Trump welcomed to the premises his ace in the hole, Michael Jackson himself, for a guided tour that just happened to be captured by media throngs and screaming fans. Jackson’s VIP glimpse was capped off with a meal at a made-to-order Taj restaurant, with Jackson “flanked by tiny fans.”

April 8, 1990: While Jackson was occupied at the Taj, he received news that Ryan White — an Indiana teenager whose struggle to survive the AIDS virus, which he contracted from a blood transfusion, made him a subject of national attention — had passed away. In a surreal scene, cameras captured Jackson, with Trump in tow, arriving at the White family home to pay condolences, with Jackson even climbing inside Ryan’s Ford Mustang — which had been a gift from M.J. — as a copy of Bad played on the stereo. When asked by a reporter why the two men had appeared together, a Trump spokesperson answered, “Mr. Jackson spent the weekend at the Taj Mahal as Mr. Trump’s guest, and Michael Jackson asked him to come along.”

Winter 1994: When Jackson began dating Elvis Presley’s daughter, Lisa Marie, they apparently got more familiar with each other in the cozy confines of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida. In Trump’s own telling, Mar-a-Lago helped surface the pair’s simmering chemistry, having written in his book The Art of the Comeback, “I was there, and the magic of Mar-a-Lago brought it out, because after they left, it didn’t work so well. I can tell you, for at least a period of time, these two folks were really getting it on.”

May 26, 1994: That fine spring day, Jackson and Presley wed in what was widely viewed as a hasty matrimony between two pillars of music royalty, if not an outright effort to draw attention away from mounting accusations of child molestation against Jackson. The marriage did indeed dissolve less than two years on, which must have been crushing to their biggest supporter: Donald Trump. As Trump shared with media after they’d tied the knot, “Those two really get along great, and they’re very happy.” He also sneaked in the factoid that they were “at the top of the Trump Tower now.” Turns out the super-couple had been hunkering down in the glistening monolith for an undisclosed length of time leading up to their secret exchange of vows.

June 16, 1995: This was the day Jackson released HIStory, a provocatively titled collection coming on the heels of aforementioned molestation accusations and related settlements. One track, “Money,” is a fairly rote calling out of soul-selling haters and frauds, though for years fans have debated whether Trump is among a roll call of names Jackson mutters in the background just over three minutes in. (You be the judge.) Though his intention in doing so could also be argued, as the name-checking is preceded by a message to earn “with dignity.” All evidence points to Jackson believing Trump was an exemplar of such an ethos.

December 18, 2003: On this day more than 15 years ago, Jackson was formally charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent. From that point until Jackson was acquitted in June 2005, the performer was presumed guilty across large swaths of public opinion. Trump, however, never wavered in his support, telling Larry King and others throughout that period some version of, “I’m gonna stick up for him because nobody else is, and I don’t believe it.” His remarks would frequently be punctuated with reminiscence about how much Jackson enjoyed his time in both Trump Tower and at Mar-a-Lago.

Unknown date, mid-2000s: Shortly after marrying Trump in 2005, third wife Melania at last crossed paths with the gloved one. In a 2016 interview with DuJour, Melania recollected how Jackson invited her and her new husband over for dinner at New York’s historic Pierre Hotel. In a snippet that got DuJour plenty of online referral traffic, the soon-to-be First Lady revealed that while Donald excused himself to commiserate with an art dealer, “Michael said to me, ‘Hey, when Trump comes back, let’s start kissing so he will be jealous!’” Alas, there was no smooch, Melania assures (lest you were concerned) but, “We were laughing so hard.”

June 25, 2009: The day Michael Jackson passed away at the age of 50. Almost immediately obituaries and reflections walked the tightrope of touting his artistry, rehashing a challenging childhood and insulated life of superstardom, and being candid about the allegations that swirled around him and his relationships with young children. Trump, at the peak of his Apprentice popularity, was widely available for comment, and was quick to maintain that Jackson was “not a molester” and merely “loved children.”

February 19, 2016: During a CNN town hall hosted by Anderson Cooper, then-presidential candidate Trump spoke of Jackson, opining, “He lost tremendous confidence because of honestly bad, bad, bad surgery,” and that under such circumstances, “you can even lose your talent.” Michael’s brother, Jermaine, was not pleased, tweeting that “friends don’t pay tribute by peddling b.s. theories.” A couple of years later, while a guest on London-based Heart Radio, Jermaine addressed the question of whether Michael would support President Trump today by saying pointedly, “What he was saying in his music are all the problems we are facing now, and his music, especially Donald Trump, he really needs to listen to ‘Man in the Mirror.’”

August 27, 2017: Maybe it’s fitting that Jackson’s daughter Paris got the final word in regarding this unlikely friendship. At that summer’s MTV Video Music Awards, Paris proclaimed from the stage, “If we were to stand up all united as one, our impact, it would be huge. And that’s not fake news.” She underscored her meaning later that night with a (now-deleted) tweet reading, “Step up donny boy @realDonaldTrump.”

https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/michael-jackson-donald-trump-friendship-timeline-leaving-neverland.html

Now here is the picture of Michael Jackson in Donald Trump’s own words, without the little drops of venom dropped here and there in the previous piece.

“He was a very good friend of mine. He was an amazing guy, but beyond all else, he was the greatest entertainer I’ve ever known. He had magic. He was a genius. He was also a really good person, and when you got to know him, you realized how smart he was. He was brilliant.

 We were at the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City. There were thousands of people literally crushing us. We had 20 bodyguards, but it was really dangerous. He dropped to his knees and started crawling to the exit. He did it so routinely, I thought he fell. And I said, “Michael, is it always like this?” He goes, “Yeah, this is nothing. Japan is much worse.”

Now, Michael wasn’t the same Michael for the last 10 years. He was not well. He had a lot of problems, a lot of difficulties. But Michael in his prime — there’s never been anybody like him. His life was different than anybody I’ve ever known. But he had a very rough 10 years. He was embarrassed by it. He was embarrassed by what was happening to him. But he’s not going to be remembered for the last 10 years; he’s going to be remembered for the first 35 years.”

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1907409_1907413_1907487,00.html

And here is another testimony from the Trumps – this time it is the reminiscences of Michael Jackson by Donald Trump Jr. and his mother Ivana (recently deceased).

Donald Trump Jr. Looks Back at His Time Playing with Michael Jackson as a Kid and the ‘Shock’ of Abuse Allegations

By Adam Carlson 

Published on November 6, 2019 03:44 PM

Early in Triggered, President Donald Trump‘s oldest son, now 41, opens up about his family’s connection with Michael Jackson, when the three oldest Trump children — Don Jr. Eric and Ivanka — were all young and Jackson was then one of the most famous performers on Earth.

“Jackson lived in Trump Tower,” Don Jr. writes. They played video games together.

In Triggered, Don Jr. recalls that “one day in Eric’s room, my father saw how much Michael enjoyed playing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with us on Nintendo and told him he could take the game home. My game! To this day, Eric says it was his game because it was in his room, but I know whose game it was. I’d worked a summer job to pay for it! And here was Michael Jackson, probably a billionaire at this point, and he took it!”

This playful anecdote quickly darkens in Don Jr.’s book as he writes, “The recent revelations about Jackson came as a shock to me. My experience with Michael does not include any of what he’s been accused of.”

Still, much as his father responds to his many critics, Don Jr. immediately circles back on the defensive.

“Oh, and by the way, given all the things my father has been called, particularly a ‘racist,’ it sure sounds odd that he’d let his son vacation with a black man or hang out with Michael Jackson doesn’t it?” he writes of the president. “If he’s a racist, he’s sure not very good at it.”

Triggered isn’t the first time the Trumps have talked about their relationship with Jackson.

Ivana Trump, the president’s first wife and mother of his three oldest children, wrote in her 2017 memoir Raising Trump about how the singer was the “only person who had an open invitation to come to the Trump Tower triplex for playdates whenever he wanted.”

“He’d stop by and chat with Donald and me for twenty minutes, and then he’d go up to the kids’ floor to hang out with them for hours and hours. They’d watch MTV, play Mario Brothers or Tetris, and build Trump Tower in Legos,” she wrote, adding, “Michael was a 30-year-old kid. He could relate to Ivanka and the boys better than to us.”

Ivana, 70, wrote that she “never believed the accusations that he molested those kids” and that there were nannies with her kids and Jackson during their playtime.

https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-playing-with-michael-jackson-new-abuse-allegations/

Ivana Trump had a good chance to get to know Michael well – in contrast to all those fake accusers of Michael Jackson like Terry George or Micahel Jacobshagen who met Michael just once (see here) but nevertheless turned the event into a life-long career for themselves, Ivana saw Michael on almost a daily basis for 10 months while he lived in the Trump Tower in 1994.

And after observing him that long she allowed Michael to be the only person who could be around her children whenever he wanted.

Ivana Trump on Michael Jackson

July 21, 2022

https://www.mjvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Ivana-Trump-copy-696x464.jpg

The Model, Socialite and ex-wife of infamous US President Donal Trump, Ivana has passed away on July 14 from a fall down the stairs at her New York home.

But did you know Ivana Trump fully supported Michael and here what she wrote in her 2017 memoir ‘Raising Trump’, she revealed: “The only person who had an open invitation to come to the triplex for playdates whenever he wanted was Michael Jackson.”

She went on to explain Jackson had a home in Trump Tower in Manhattan – where he lived for around 10 months in 1994 – and used to visit the family’s apartment to “hang out” with the kids.

Ivana added: “The King of Pop lived in Trump Tower and was a good friend of our whole family,” she explained, adding, “He’d stop by and chat with Donald and me for twenty minutes, and then he’d go up to the kids’ floor to hang out with them for hours and hours.”

She explained the ‘Thriller’ star used to love playing video games with the youngsters, adding: “They’d watch MTV, play Mario Brothers or Tetris, and build Trump Tower in Legos. Michael was a thirty-year-old kid. He could relate to Ivanka and the boys better than to us.”

Ivana said she or the children’s nannies were always in the room during the playdates — but that she “never believed the accusations that he molested those kids” anyway.

“He was a child himself in a man’s body, tender, sweet and gentle … there’s no way he could have hurt anyone.”

Ivana also recalls how Jackson, at the peak of his fame, went to see young Ivanka perform in The Nutcracker.

“Michael told me that she looked like an angel that night,” Ivana recalls.

Donald, Jr also spoke about Jackson’s visits to the Trump home in a 2019 appearance on Fox News, saying: “Michael Jackson used to come up and he was our neighbour at Trump Tower. So I was playing ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ with Michael Jackson! You know, this is in the early 90s – maybe even in the late 80s. Peak Michael.”

He also revealed his dad Donald once gave away one of his video games to the singer, adding: “We’re playing Nintendo and Michael really likes the game. So my dad walks in and says, ‘Well, why don’t you take the game, Michael?’ I’m pretty sure Michael could’ve called Nintendo and said, ‘I want one of those’. It wouldn’t have been a big deal, but he just took it.”https://www.mjvibe.com/ivana-trump-on-michael-jackson/

But the most detailed of all is Mike Smallcombe’s story about the friendship of Trump and MJ. Here it is, slightly abridged:

It may come as a shock to Jackson’s daughter Paris that her father spent a significant amount of time in Trump’s company in the 1990s, with Trump going so far as to call Jackson “a very good friend of mine”.

As many Americans struggled to come to grips with a Donald Trump presidency in the wake of his election, Paris took to social media to share a picture of a man staring at a noose, revealing that she had a “feeling of impending doom” surging through her entire body. She also made the point that those who voted for Trump were defying her entire family.

The story of Donald Trump and Michael Jackson begins in March 1988, when the pair met backstage at a concert at New York City’s Madison Square Garden. Trump recalls: “I spoke to him for a little while, he was low-key, and I’d think, ‘There’s no way this guy is going out to that stage to perform’. And then you see him moonwalk across the stage and the place would go crazy.”

The two became properly acquainted in 1990, when Trump opened what was then the world’s glitziest casino, the Taj Majal in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

Trump and MJ goof around at Taj Mahal in Atlantic city

On Friday, April 6, 1990 Jackson travelled to Atlantic City to assist Trump with the grand opening, and stayed in the hotel’s $10,000-a-night ‘Alexander the Great Suite’. “If I ever needed him for something, he’d always be there,” Trump later said. “He was very loyal to his friends.”

Jackson’s arrival at the Taj that afternoon caused pandemonium; thousands of screaming fans and dozens of photographers chased the pair as Trump gave his star guest a guided tour of the facilities.“There were thousands of people literally crushing us,” Trump said, recalling the bedlam. “We had 20 bodyguards, but it was really dangerous.

“He dropped to his knees and started crawling to the exit. He did it so routinely, I thought he fell. And I said, ‘Michael, is it always like this?’ He goes, ‘Yeah, this is nothing. Japan is much worse’.”

The next day [April 7, 1990] Trump gave Jackson a tour of the Historic Atlantic City Convention Hall arena, adjacent to his Trump Plaza casino hotel. On the Sunday [April 8, 1990], Jackson was due to leave for Indiana to be at the bedside of his close friend, 18-year-old Ryan White, who was losing his brave five-year battle with AIDS.

As he arrived at the airport, Jackson was told that Ryan had passed away.

The pair flew to Indianapolis together aboard a private jet provided by Jackson’s record label, before travelling the 20 miles to Ryan’s hometown of Cicero in a motorcade of three limousines and several police vehicles.

After arriving at the home, a grieving Jackson sat briefly in the back of a red Ford Mustang GT, which he had given to Ryan as a gift a year earlier. He told the waiting media: “He was a personal friend. It’s sad.”

Trump and MJ before flying to Indianapolis

After extending his condolences to the family, Trump returned to New Jersey. Jackson remained at the house until the evening, reminiscing and looking through scrapbooks with Ryan’s mother, Jeanne.

Jackson spent the next 18 months working on his Dangerous album, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this month. He and Trump crossed paths again in June 1992, at a charity gala held at the iconic Tavern on the Green restaurant in New York. Trump and his future wife, Marla Maples, accompanied Jackson as he collected an award for his efforts in helping economically disadvantaged children.

The Trump-Jackson friendship was at its strongest in 1994. In March that year, with a gruelling world tour and damaging child molestation accusations behind him, Jackson relocated to New York City to work on his next album, which became HIStory.

Jackson reportedly paid $110,000 a month to rent a four-bedroom apartment near the top of Trump Tower, high above Fifth Avenue in midtown Manhattan. The apartment, which offers spectacular views over Central Park, was put on the market earlier this year for a cool $23 million.

Jackson’s friend, Frank Cascio, recalls the stay: “Michael’s apartment at Trump was over the top, with dramatic views and gold fixtures in the bathrooms. On the second floor there were three bedrooms. He transformed one of them into a mini dance studio by having all the furniture removed and putting in a dance floor.”

Jackson was living just a few floors below Trump’s own $100m penthouse, where the pair would often spend time together. “He’d come into my apartment and we’d talk a lot about business,” Trump said. “He was actually a very, very smart businessman.”

One night, they went for dinner at Manhattan’s Le Cirque restaurant. “It was as if he had never seen a menu before, and we carefully went over each item,” Trump recalls.“But what was most amazing were the looks on the distinguished faces in the room as they came over to our table practically begging for an autograph. These are people who had probably never asked for anyone’s autograph before, and I can guarantee you, it was not easy for them to do. They would always start by saying, ‘I have a son who is a big fan of yours, Mr Jackson. Could you give him an autograph’?“

But I believe it was for them, not their sons. One woman, one of the most socially prominent in New York, known for her attitude approached our table trying to look cool, then slightly tripped. She grabbed the table for support and asked in the same breath, ‘Mr Jackson, can I have your autograph’? It was amazing to see this woman, whom I have known for years, so flustered and nervous.”

Trump says he was surprised when Jackson told him he had a new girlfriend. “I congratulated him and asked, ‘Who is it’? He was very shy and looked down into his napkin, then put the napkin over his face and said, ‘Trump, Trump, I don’t want to talk about it, I’m so embarrassed’. I chided him. When he finally looked up, he said that it was a girl named Lisa Marie [Presley, Elvis’s only child].”

Michael Jackson holds Trump’s daughter Tiffany 1994

A couple of weeks later, Jackson asked his host if he could bring his new love interest to Trump’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

“We flew down in my plane together,” Trump said. “On the flight down, he asked if it would be possible for his girlfriend to come over and stay. I said absolutely, I looked forward to meeting her. He said she would be arriving sometime around eight o’clock, about an hour after we got to the house.”

Trump said that when Lisa Marie arrived, Jackson ran to the living room and greeted her with a hug, before they took off to look at the ocean. “When they came back, holding hands and hugging, they seemed very much in love,” Trump said. During their week-long stay, Jackson and Lisa Marie spent nearly every evening in a part of the mansion called the Grand Tower, and left the house together just once.

“He was up there one week with her, and he never came down, so I don’t know what was going on, but they got along,” Trump said.“People often ask me whether or not the relationship was a sham and I give them an emphatic no. I can tell you, for at least a period of time, these two folks were really getting it on.”

Mar-a-Lago estate was recently raided by more than 30 FBI agents in Trump’s absence. Thus the record of 70 officers raiding Michael Jackson’s Neverland in November 2003 has not yet been beaten

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Jackson married Lisa Marie in a secret ceremony in the Dominican Republic in late May 1994, but they divorced 20 months later. Meanwhile, in December 1994 Jackson finally checked out of Trump Tower after a nine-month stay and returned to California to complete the HIStory album.

At this stage, it would have seemed like the two were good friends. But then Jackson decided to subtly include Trump in the lyrics of one of the HIStory album’s tracks, ‘Money’, which is an attack on greed and ruthless and unethical individuals.

At one point the background vocals feature the words, ‘If you want money, then earn it with dignity’, before Jackson speaks the names of several American industrialists and business magnates, including Trump, Cornelius Vanderbilt, J. P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie and J. Paul Getty.

Somewhat surprisingly, the lyrics were subtle enough to avoid any major headlines in the media. It would appear that although the pair shared a business relationship, Michael’s true feelings about Trump came to light through those lyrics.

But Brad Buxer, who worked on the song as a producer and musician, says there was never a falling out between the pair and that the lyrics were not meant as a personal attack on Trump.”I was around Michael Jackson constantly, and we talked about everything,” Buxer said.

“There was no falling out between him and Donald Trump; Michael thought the world of him. Michael loved and greatly admired successful people, and was truly inspired by Trump. He thought he was an amazing businessman, respected him greatly and liked him very much.

“He would have called out Donald Trump’s name out of respect and admiration. Sometimes in Michael’s music his lyrics and their meaning would be misunderstood. ‘They Don’t Care About Us’ is an example where some people thought his lyrics were racist.”

One of the individuals Michael admired included Thomas Edison, an American inventor and businessman with links to Morgan, Vanderbilt and the controversial motor company founder Henry Ford, who Michael also once praised. When discussing the notion of not giving up in the face of adversity in a recorded conversation with a friend in 2004, Michael said of Edison and Ford: “Some of the greatest men who have made their mark on this world were treated like that – you know, ‘You’re not gonna do it, you’re not gonna get anywhere’.”They laughed at the Wright brothers. They laughed at Thomas Edison. They made jokes about Henry Ford. They said he was ignorant. These men shaped and changed our culture, our customs, the way we live, the way we do things.”

Either way, Jackson and Trump met again half a decade later, which would indicate that there was no fallout. Jackson called Trump when he was staying in New York to record his Invincible album, and invited the businessman and his partner Melania for dinner at the luxury Pierre Hotel.

Melania, who married Trump in 2005 and will become the next First Lady of United States, recalls how she hit it off with Jackson. Melania said: “Just after dinner, we were chatting on the sofa and my husband went into another room to see some art somebody wanted to show him. And Michael said to me, ‘Hey, when Trump comes back, let’s start kissing so he will be jealous’!” The two didn’t kiss. “But we were laughing so hard,” she says.

In 2004, Trump publically defended Jackson ahead of his child molestation trial. “I’m going to stick up for him, because nobody else is,” Trump told Larry King. “But I don’t believe it.“

“He lived in Trump Tower. I knew what was happening with Michael Jackson. You know what was happening? Absolutely nothing. I had many people that worked for me in the building, and believe me, they would tell me if anything was wrong.“

And if you look at the mother of this young man [Gavin Arvizo], she has had plenty of experience at going after people. And she goes after them viciously and violently, and I saw a story and I read another story about some of the things she’s done.“It’s tough to win [a trial]. But I have a feeling he is going to win.”

Trump later reiterated his point, and said his young children were often in Jackson’s company when he was living in Trump Tower in 1994. “Michael would spend a lot of time with my kids,” Trump said.

“Michael would come, play with the kids. He just loved children. He was not a child molester and I am certain of that. He’d play with my son Eric and my son Donald and he’d just play with them forever.”

In February 2016, Trump was criticised by Jermaine Jackson after claiming Michael lost self-esteem due to “bad surgery”.

Trump said: “He lost tremendous confidence because of, honestly, bad-bad-bad surgery. He had the worst. He had people that did numbers on him that were just unbelievable. Believe it or not, when you lose your confidence in something, you can even lose your talent.”

But Trump also paid tribute to his friend.  “He was an amazing guy, but beyond all else, he was the greatest entertainer I’ve ever known,” he said. “He had magic. He was a genius. He was also a really good person, and when you got to know him, you realized how smart he was. He was brilliant.“

https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/14648953-donald-trump-and-michael-jackson-the-full-story-behind-a-mysterious-fri

And this is what most commenters say about the friendship of Michael Jackson and Donald Trump which some media call “unsettling”.

  • There’s nothing “unsettling” about Trump and MJ’s friendship. I respect Trump for always defending Michael, even when it was unpopular. That took courage. Trump is loyal to his friends. Not many people were defending Michael during his trial, but Trump did, vigorously. MJ did have an apartment in Trump Tower, and he also spent time at Mar-a-Lago. Also, during the 1993 allegations against MJ, Trump put Michael up at his Plaza Hotel and told reporters, “If anyone wants to mess with Michael, they’ll have to go through me.” When MJ was arrested and handcuffed in 2003, Trump called in to CNN and said that he was confident that Michael would be acquitted. And after MJ died, Trump said many nice things about him, and also stated, “He was NOT a child molester. I’m certain of that.”
  • Trump’s constant DEFENSE of Michael is one thing that I deeply appreciate about him.
  • I have never really liked Donald Trump but the one thing I appreciate is he has always defended Michael Jackson even till this day. I remember when Trump called CNN LIVE on the air and said MJ was 100% innocent and the Arvizo mom is a con-artist and that MJ should sue her and she should be in jail. I watched/listen to the whole thing LIVE. This says a lot about Donald Trump and that he knows the media will lie and go after the true difference-makers as the media lies about Trump all the time and also lies about MJ all the time. Their goal is to brainwash people against the truth. MJ was never ashamed of God and definitely inspired countless people around the world to get closer to the divine, including myself. Michael Jackson changed my life by inspiring me so many times to never give up and to be a champion like he is.
  • He’s actually a good dude, do some research you’ll see. Mainstream media did him just like they did Michael, dirty.
  • Trumps a real one. Always has been and always will. Like MJ he’s the opposite of the media portrayal of him.
  • Media destroyed MJ, Mike Tyson, and Tiger Wood. Trump defended all three of them 100%.
  • Trump is a true man, I don’t care what people say about him! he is not two-faced or a snake-like so many people in Michael’s life who took advantage of him. I respect Trump so much for standing up to the truth and being a real friend to Michael. Shame on Paris for being so rude… to one of a very few that supported her father. I am sure if Michael was alive he would have been supportive like Trump was to him.
  • I never heard DJT being a racist until 2017. They had a building on Flatbush ave. People there talk positive about him. 70’s, 80’s. I was gone in the 90’s. He hired blacks, and rented apts to blacks at a time when apt discrimination was high. Super rich blacks couldn’t buy an apt in Manhattan.
  • Trump did more for black people in 2017, than Obama did in 8 years. If the US had an honest media, you would already know that.
  • The same people in the media that lied about Michael now lie about Trump. What does that tell you?

This last statement I whole-heartedly agree with.

It is the same people.

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  1. Thijs van Abs permalink
    November 11, 2022 9:01 am

    Yeah, I will always have tremendous respect for Trump for this. He has never changed his stance on him. I have not done enough research on Trump to really judge him further. However I will say that he has indeed done a lot of good things but never gets any credit for it, only hate. I have seen plenty of articles where the media claimed something and when I then watched Trump himself he never said it, or certainly not in the ways they claim he did. So it would not surprise me if the MSM spreads a lot of false information on him.

    But at the same time I saw countless of people, young and old crying their tears out when Biden won and Trump lost and I can’t sit her and say they are all wrong. They were that extremely happy for a reason, they gotta be. I don’t like in the USA, so I can’t comment on that further either.

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  2. October 12, 2022 4:28 am

    “those girls have surgery because they’re insecure. Michael did that too “- ara orcas

    Oh, I’ve somewhat misunderstood your message. You meant plastic surgery. Of course it is OK to have plastic surgery if someone wants to better one’s looks. But over here it is the degree that matters. When people overdo it – like that doll-like girl in the earlier photo – it makes you suspect that something is wrong with their brains.

    Michael was also laughed at for his plastic surgery, but what they didn’t know is that he wanted only two nose jobs – just as he told Martin Bashir. One was when his nose was broken and the other was when the first operation resulted in nasal breathing problems and this was corrected in combination with making it smaller.

    But then problems arose and all other manipulations with his nose were a necessity as Dr. Strick, the doctor appointed by the prosecution to examine Michael’s medical records, said.

    The complications were due to Michael’s discoid lupus and each new “reconstructive” operation was meant to correct the previous failure. Part of the skin on his nose was getting destroyed and this is why his nose was getting smaller and smaller, alas.

    Nobody knew of this problem as Michael was extremely shy to confess it to anyone, even his mother. This is why even his family thought that he was obsessed with plastic surgery, though this was not the case. The media of course had a field day with what was actually Michael’s grave skin disease. And that’s besides vitiligo!

    Dr. Strick:

    More about it here: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/lupus-vitiligo-plastic-surgery-and-the-concept-of-self-hatred-did-michael-jackson-want-to-go-white/

    Discoid lupus erythematosus lesion on the face of musician Seal:

    Wiki:

    Discoid lupus erythematosus is the most common type of chronic cutaneous lupus (CCLE), an autoimmune skin condition on the lupus erythematosus spectrum of illnesses. It presents with red, painful, inflamed and coin-shaped patches of skin with a scaly and crusty appearance, most often on the scalp, cheeks, and ears. Hair loss may occur if the lesions are on the scalp. The lesions can then develop severe scarring, and the centre areas may appear lighter in color with a rim darker than the normal skin. These lesions can last for years without treatment. The skin lesions are most often in sun-exposed areas localized above the neck, with favored sites being the scalp, bridge of the nose, upper cheeks, lower lip, and ear and hands.

    Initially Michael had “only” crusty patches on his scalp and a typical butterfly rash on his face with some balding along the hair line. This was when Dr. Arnold Klein first diagnosed it, sometime in 1986 or so.

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  3. October 11, 2022 3:24 pm

    “But one thing, did MJ lie about their ages? Wasn’t him 17 and tatum 12?” – ara orcas

    Michael didn’t lie, he simply didn’t remember it right. If she was 12 it was all the more crazy to imagine that he would agree to have sex with her. Unfortunately, due to Tatum’s very turbulent childhood she was exposed to things she was not supposed to see when she was 12 and was oversexualized by all that. And she definitely looked much older than her age. In comparison with this 12-year old girl the 17-year old Michael was a naive young boy.

    “What if those girls have surgery because they’re insecure?”

    The problem is that when a girl is a teenager she very often looks like an ugly duckling. Some have acne, some look plain, some feel akward, non-attractive to boys, “not like other girls”, most hate their looks and are totally insecure as a result. But then it takes them only several years more before they suddenly turn out to be real beauties.

    I’ve seen this transformation many, many times with my own eyes and have actually gone through it myself. It is actually so routine a situation that every grow-up woman is perfectly familiar with it.

    But if a teenage girl who feels uncomfortable with her looks does not go through this stage in a normal way and imagines that she would rather be a boy, and is encouraged by some counsellors to undergo surgery (instead of giving her good friendly advice or psychological help), she will simply have her body mauled – just for the sake of some big business who will then wash their hands of the matter and will leave their victim to handle the consequences all alone.

    It is ridiculous that people can vote only when they 21 but they can have their body mauled at the age of 14 or earlier.

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  4. ara orcas permalink
    September 29, 2022 4:28 pm

    Helena, to be honest, your comment sounded misogynistic to me. What if those girls have surgery because they’re insecure? Michael did that too. Is him stupid for that? Absolutely not. I agree that haters labeling tomboys as not real girls is degrading tho.

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  5. ara orcas permalink
    September 27, 2022 5:59 pm

    Thank u so much! That doubt came to me from an MJ hater tik tok page. But one thing, did MJ lie about their ages? Wasn’t him 17 and tatum 12? Bc that’s a lot of difference and that’s also something that kind of made me doubt. About the other cases, i’m absolutely convinced of his innocence. Tatum never accused him of anything tho

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  6. Des permalink
    September 25, 2022 2:20 am

    It’s so true Helena what you say and what Michael was saying I love the way he was thinking. I was a tomboy when I was a lot younger but when I grew up I’ve been told that I was more than a woman without showing any private part of my body (we had private parts back then)and even my husband told me the same thing after twenty years of marriage nothing is real anymore it’s sad .

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  7. September 24, 2022 4:31 pm

    Haters oftenly use tatum o’neal as “proof” of mj being interested in boys bc “she looked like a boy at the time” and bc she was younger than him. i always had doubts abt this.” -ara orcas

    There is no need to have any “doubts” about this. The people who may be “doubtful” are those who reduce girls and women to those artificial creatures with fake lips, hips, breasts and consider that only that type of women are “real” women. What a degrading idea!

    No, dear – tomboyish girls are absolutely real women, only much more interesting than those painted dolls.

    In fact, tomboyish girls and women may be much-much sexier than those women whose only life interest is painting their nails. Besides their energy, spontaneity and unwillingness to play mind games in their relationship with men, most of them also have BRAINS which makes them decidedly different from those silly caricatures of women.

    When I look at girls like that I can’t help thinking that they are endlessly stupid, are not actually real and may be good only for sex. But life is not only about sex. To be able to have a full and meaningful life there must be other things out there too.

    For men who are not only into sex and are looking for a good life companion, tomboys may be a much better choice. Tomboyish girls usually have more brains, may share the same interests and make perfect friends of men (but not of women) and their lifestyle – playful, independent, sometimes unpredictable – make them always interesting to live with.

    In other words they are capable of making a companion of a lifetime, and I am not surprised in the least that Michael liked tomboyish girls and was totally unimpressed by those whose life interests are reduced to having their toes and nails done. These women were too plain, shallow, one-sided and boring to him.

    See the tapes recorded by Rabbi Shmuley and what Michael said about those girls (https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/michael-jackson-for-me-love-is-something-very-pure/):

    MJ: I don’t like the women who are always saying, “My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure”. I hate all that. I like it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. If they wrestle, climb a tree. I love that… It is sexier to me. I like class though. Class is everything.

    MJ: A woman I really liked and respected was Princess Diana.
    SB: Why?
    MJ: Because she was classy and sincerely cared about people and children and the plight of what was going on in the world. She didn’t do it for show. I like the way she made her kids wait in line to get on a ride for something.
    SB: Was she a feminine kind of woman?
    MJ: Very feminine and classy. She was my type for sure, and I don’t like most girls. There are very few I like who fit the mold. It takes a very special mold to make me happy and she was one of them. For sure.
    SB: Because of her love of kids?
    MJ: It takes a lot to find a mirror image, a mirror image. People always say that opposites attract and I think that is true, as well. But I want somebody who is a lot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help and they gotta go to hospitals with me and care. .. That’s why you saw Lisa Marie and me at those kinds of things. She cared about that stuff, too.

    My first girlfriend. Tatum O’Neal, she’d won the Academy Award for Paper Moon … I was sixteen, she was thirteen. And was I naive. She wanted to do everything and I didn’t want to have sex at all, because there were a lot of values associated with being a Jehovah’s Witness. I said, “Are you crazy?” One of those was to be kind to everyone.

    When I held Tatum’s hand it was just magic, better than anything, kissing her, anything. Her, Ryan Q’Neal and myself went to this club and were watching a band and underneath the table she was holding my hand and I was melting. It was magical. There was fireworks going on. It was all I needed. But that means nothing to kids today. She grew up too fast. She wasn’t into innocence, and I love that.

    Michael was all into innocence, restraint and “everything” Tatum wanted to do but only in the right time and place for it, but not at the age of 13.

    Some lowlifes will never understand it, but who cares what they think?

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  8. ara orcas permalink
    September 18, 2022 9:06 pm

    Hi helena! Could you please make a post about tatum o’neal? Haters oftenly use her as “proof” of mj being interested in boys bc “she looked like a boy at the time” and bc she was younger than him. Ik it’s not related to this post but i always had doubts abt this. Thank u!

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  9. September 4, 2022 6:55 pm

    Well, it is already 3am here, but instead of going to sleep I watched a video with Corey Feldman which I accidentally stumbled upon.
    It is much fun and is even more than that.

    If we are to believe this young guy Tyler Henry, a popular medium, Corey Haim supports Corey Feldman and wants him to tell more about their common experience at Hollywood as not all of it was revealed by Corey Feldman. The main person responsible for Corey Haim’s abuse still remained unnamed.

    Tyler Henry predicts that if Feldman names this person there will be legalities (Feldman agrees with much sadness), but there will be another person who will still venture, not Corey. And this will be a big breakthrough as many others will follow.

    Corey Feldman took it so close to heart that he even cried.

    The video is dated July 23rd, 2022. Here it is:
    Tyler Henry Gives Corey Feldman Message From Co-Star Corey Haim | Hollywood Medium | E!

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  10. September 4, 2022 5:58 pm

    “Stop avoiding and deflecting and address it head on.”

    I am not here to follow your instructions – you, another incarnation of oasisifan that keeps stalking me here. You are not the one to tell me what I should or should not do. It is around 2am here and I need some sleep before I explore the Corey Feldman case any further.
    Just because I need to know the truth about it myself.

    And you go to hell, please, where you duly belong.

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  11. Haim Army permalink
    September 4, 2022 5:50 pm

    You haven’t addressed what has been said about Feldman protecting Dominick Brascia, whom Judy Haim says is her son’s actual rapist. You haven’t addressed that, and the claim that Feldman is said to know this. Stop avoiding and deflecting and address it head on.

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  12. September 4, 2022 5:27 pm

    Oh, here comes another incarnation of oasisfan with a third-rate lampoon about Corey Feldman.
    Am I surprised that all these people who claim to be a certain “movement” are trashing him so hard?
    Absolutely not.

    The actual reason for that is certainly not Corey Haim – it is the pedophilia in Hollywood and Corey Feldman’s support for Michael Jackson . All the rest is just the intentional noise.

    So here are Corey Feldman’s two “sins” which are not to be forgiven by the establishment:

    Firstly, he dared stand up for Michael Jackson when he said long time ago that he had regained his innocence and more or less revived his spirits only with Michael Jackson (after Steven Speilberg brought them together).

    And secondly, he dared support Michael immediately after the “Leaving Neverland” fake when Corey took to Twitter and defended him there.

    Corey Feldman defends Michael Jackson after watching ‘Leaving Neverland’
    BY NARDINE SAADSTAFF WRITER
    MARCH 5, 2019 9:55 AM PT
    Former child star Corey Feldman came to Michael Jackson’s defense on Monday after the polarizing HBO docuseries “Leaving Neverland” accused the late King of Pop of sexual abuse.
    “The Goonies” and “Gremlins” actor, an outspoken survivor of childhood sexual abuse in Hollywood, said he watched the whole documentary and then took to Twitter to take up for Jackson, saying that the singer never touched him inappropriately or suggested they should be lovers in any way.
    “I feel like if [people] could hear our convos they would hear the innocence in them. No hint of perversion,” he tweeted, adding that he has a tape of Jackson that he’s thinking about releasing.
    NEVER ONCE SWORE IN MY PRESENCE, NEVER TOUCHED ME INAPPROPRIATELY, & NEVER EVER SUGGESTED WE SHOULD BE LOVERS IN ANY WAY! I FEEL LIKE IF PPL COULD HEAR OUR CONVOS THEY WOULD HEAR THE INNOCENCE IN THEM. NO HINT OF PERVERSION. I HAV A TAPE, IM THINKIN ABOUT RELEASING, WHICH COULD
    — Corey Feldman (@Corey_Feldman) March 4, 2019
    His series of tweets come in response to Monday’s conclusion of Dan Reed’s two-part documentary, which revived the bombshell claims of two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who said they suffered years of sexual abuse by Jackson when they were boys.
    The production has called Jackson’s legacy and music into question, but has also drawn much criticism for the way it presented the men’s allegations without a response from the Jackson family.
    Feldman said that he mostly has “fond” memories of Jackson, though, he conceded, he was around the singer only around the same time as Safechuck, not Robson.
    “I saw many kids around (girls included) who I am still friends with 2 this day, & none of us were ever approached by him in any sexual way at all! So as much as those 2 men deserve 2 hav[e] their voices heard, so do the thousands of kids who hung around him, that don’t agree!”
    How should we hear Michael Jackson’s music after ‘Leaving Neverland’? »
    The 47-year-old asserted that most pedophiles are serial offenders who don’t have self control. As such, given the opportunities Jackson might have had with him and others, he wondered how the singer could have resisted his urges if he was truly a predator.

    Feldman argued that the profile doesn’t fit and said he believes Robson and Safechuck are motivated by money and abandonment issues — arguments also made by the Jackson family. The estate has already sued HBO over the documentary.

    The actor also agreed with criticism that the documentary is one-sided and doesn’t give the late pop star a chance to defend himself. Robson and Safechuck’s credibility has also been undercut by their previous court testimonies defending Jackson in other child sex-abuse cases.
    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-corey-feldman-leaving-neverland-20190305-story.html

    The above sent CNN and other mainstream media into a fit of rage which is very well seen by the headlines alone. CNN immediately claimed that Corey only “seemed” to defend MJ (listen to our interpretation of him and not to his actual words!)

    Corey Feldman clarifies statements that seemed to defend Michael Jackson (March 5, 2019)

    Two days later, USAtoday claimed that Corey Feldman was “dramatically pulling back his support for embattled friend Michael Jackson in light of “horrendous” child sexual abuse allegations” (which Corey absolutely didn’t do):

    Corey Feldman can ‘no longer’ defend Michael Jackson after ‘horrendous’ abuse allegations (March 7, 2019)
    “I’m also not here to judge him, because again, he did not do those things to me and that was not my experience.”

    Surprisingly, the Variety ran exactly the same story already on March 4, 2019 when Corey Feldman only made his first tweets, this way somewhat running ahead of Corey Feldman himself:

    Corey Feldman Found ‘Neverland’ ‘Shocking and Disturbing,’ ‘Can No Longer Defend’ Michael Jackson

    In fact Feldman didn’t take any of his words back but had to point out that all such cases should be taken seriously.

    Feldman said, “I certainly want to apologize if anybody took anything that I said out of context in those tweets, because it certainly wasn’t meant in any way to question the validity of the victims.” He said he found the documentary’s two alleged victims to have “very compelling stories. And both of these guys sound very believable, because they are talking about a cycle that’s called grooming. And the grooming process certainly fits the mold, and that’s why this case must be taken seriously — that’s why all cases must be taken seriously.”

    Similar “explanations” followed and for a time being Corey’s support of Michael Jackson was somewhat swept under the rug.

    But a year later Corey Feldman had the cheek to trouble Hollywood again by making a whole film about pedophilia there, and this couldn’t be tolerated of course. Those who didn’t want the film to be ever seen by the public went to extremes to block it from viewing.

    This is what Corey said about his film called “My Truth: Rape of two Coreys” in October 2020:

    Corey Feldman Tells His TRUTH [Exclusive]

    After announcing to the audience that the film would be uploaded on a certain date, the first thing they found is that it was not streaming [11:15]

    They apologized to the audience saying that there were some technical issues, and when Corey thought that the problem was already resolved and everyone relaxed, he started getting texts that the film was not playing [11:45]

    Those in the projection booth said that it was absolutely an attack. “We will do our diagnostics, but for the last ten minutes we’ve been overwhelmed with millions and millions of requests.” By the premiere they had sold around 42,000 tickets during the 6 weeks leading to the movie, so it didn’t make sense that in the last five minutes millions of people suddenly wanted to see it. After a thorough investigation by a digital company they later found out that it was a Denial of Service Attack” which means that a “group of hackers got together and sent millions of requests at the same time overloading the system and causing the site crash.” [Corey speaks about it at about 12:30]

    The hackers simultaneously did the same to Corey’s website and the third, worst part of the assault was that after the film went down somebody launched a brand new website called “My truths.com” (the only difference was that it ended with “s”) and the film crew was not made aware of that site’s existence for 3 months after the fact. So for 3 months after the premiere those people got away not only with selling the movie but they stole the script of the original webpage, reproduced it on their page and put up tickets sales that were identical to the original tickets. They were charging people $10 more a ticket while people thought that they were doing business with Feldman and his team [~ 13:55]

    Thus the money that was to be paid to the film makers – director, editors and all the crew members was plainly stolen from them. Corey doesn’t know how much [from 15:15]

    Another strange fact is that before the premiere there was very much press but when it got out there was dead silence the next day. Nobody ever reported that the movie came for streaming. None of the mainstream corporations touched it while some entertainment sites did mention it, but with very short blurbs. Everyone ignored it. Now the film is back and live, but they are still treated like a black sheep [from 16:20]

    Then comes the story about a stab [18:30]

    Someone at some studio is also behind selling professional DVDs of the film. Similarly, some pirates made multiple copies of it and are showing it on Youtube for free. All of that equates to 4 million streams on Youtube. Youtube has been contacted and notified about the film being stolen, but they keep the film being put up. How is this OK? [from 20:30]

    NOTHING happened since the film was shown to millions of people. There was no move for justice. They were so many witnesses there as Corey Haim told his story to at least 15 people – because he was crying out for help, he wanted it out. [from 22:50]

    Corey Feldman showed in the movie the emails from Corey Haim’s mother where she admitted that things did happen to her son [from 24:00]

    Corey made direct connections from his film to the “Open Secret” film. Corey was approached to participate in a certain reconciliation committee that would protect adults who were abused when they were children, but Corey wants to protect kids and change the legislation in this respect. His suggestions are simple: 1) Everyone on the set with a child should have a background check for sexual abuse. It is not being done and is not respected by the studios. 2) There should never be a time on set and anywhere around it when a child is without his legal parental guardian, which is not done either. [from ~27:10]

    The fact is that any party and any place he and Corey Haim went into was attended by groups of pedophiles and not just two or three. There were at least 7 or 8 pedophiles around them at all times [from ~32:00]

    Corey’s suggestion No.3 concerned the age when children could retire. Normally people begin working at about 25 and some 35 years later retire. Why should it be different for child actors if some of them begin working at the age of 3? Because they are slaves who have to work 25 years more than others.

    He was to present his simple ideas at a certain Sex Harassment Committee, but the head of SAF-AFTRA Gabrielle Carteris, a former stripper, ordered their local office to remove Corey from the board when the board was about to discuss his suggestions (SAG-AFTRA brings together two great American labor unions: Screen Actors Guild and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists). The head of the local office refused, but Corey did it on his own [Corey speaks about from ~33:45]

    Here is the story in more detail:

    SAG-AFTRA Reprimands L.A. Local President Patricia Richardson For Refusing To Remove Alleged Harasser Corey Feldman From Sex Harassment Committee; Actor Refutes Claims
    July 20, 2020 4:12pm

    The national board of SAG-AFTRA on Monday reprimanded Los Angeles Local president Patricia Richardson for refusing to remove a member of the local’s Sexual Harassment Committee, even though the board says she had received “detailed complaints from women who had been subject to or witness to sexual harassment, abuse and assault” by the committee member.

    The board resolution does not identify the committee member, but Deadline has learned from multiple sources that it’s actor Corey Feldman, who stepped down from the committee June 26 amid mounting pressure for him to do so. Feldman has been a leading voice in the battle against abuse of underage actors.

    On Monday, Feldman posted on Twitter that “IM ABOUT 2 B ATTACKED AGAIN IN A MASSIVE WAY!” He also sent a statement to Deadline saying, “I welcome an investigation”:

    As a victim myself of sexual predators and an avid spokesperson on behalf of victims everywhere, I welcome an investigation. Beyond that, I don’t care to dignify the alleged claims of women who have been stalking me and harassing me endlessly for some time, for which I have contacted police.

    My team and I have been tracking their movements for a very long time, and we have recordings and emails, along with eyewitnesses who will attest to the fact that this is all part of a covert operation to discredit, defame and ignore the claims I have been making for decades which have still not been investigated by LAPD or the DA of CA.

    The same girls made the same claims 2 years ago and it was investigated and I was cleared by both LAPD and the DA, and say I’m greatly disappointed and have lost complete faith in SAG leadership, that Gabrielle Carteris would abandon precious measures I was trying to implement for the future safety and protection of our children.

    IM ABOUT 2 B ATTACKED AGAIN IN A MASSIVE WAY! I HAV JUST LEARNED THEY R PUTTING OUT A STORY OF LIES IN THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER! I AM FURIOUS! I AM HEARTBROKEN! AND I WILL SAY 1 TIME, I WOULD NEVER HARM ANOTHER INNOCENT HUMAN, 4 MY OWN PLEASURE, IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT! #Kids2
    — Corey Feldman (@Corey_Feldman) July 20, 2020

    A source tells Deadline that Feldman was to be a panelist during a town-hall conversation with the LA Local’s Sexual Harassment Committee that had been set for June 18. “Numerous women came forward and publicly accused Feldman of sexual harassment and sexual assault. SAG-AFTRA president Gabrielle Carteris instructed Patricia Richardson to remove Feldman from this panel and from the committee,” the source said. “Richardson refused and ultimately the town hall was canceled due to all the negative attention.”
    The town hall was rescheduled for July 6, but Feldman did not attend.

    In a statement to Deadline, Richardson said: “Today, President Carteris made a motion assaulting my character and the actions of our Local Board with regard to the handling of an allegation of misconduct by a member who sits on our Sexual Harassment Committee.
    “In a shockingly transparent political attack, President Carteris codified her own dangerous approach to dealing with Sexual Harassment accusations,” she added.
    Read her full statement below.

    Feldman, who recently released the documentary My Truth: The Rape of Two Coreys, about alleged sexual assaults against him and fellow child actor Corey Haim in the 1980s, starred in big movies as a kid including The Goonies, The Lost Boys and Stand by Me, when he alleges the incidents occurred.

    According to the resolution, Richardson, an outspoken opponent of the guild’s national leadership and the union’s proposed new film and TV contract, declined to remove Feldman from the committee, stating in an email that the charges were “unproven” and “possibly have been paid for.”

    The resolution said “the Los Angeles Local President’s refusal to remove the alleged perpetrator from the Los Angeles Local Sexual Harassment Committee was detrimental to the best interests of SAG-AFTRA’s members.”

    Here is Richardson’s complete statement, followed by the full motion that was approved by more than two-thirds of the national board:

    “Today, President Carteris made a motion assaulting my character and the actions of our Local Board with regard to the handling of an allegation of misconduct by a member who sits on our Sexual Harassment Committee.

    In a shockingly transparent political attack, President Carteris codified her own dangerous approach to dealing with Sexual Harassment accusations.

    Were the union to make this kind of rash decision Ms. Carteris recklessly ordered, without due process, it would have opened itself up to defamation lawsuits, particularly when such an impulsive action doesn’t follow our own established protocols.

    While no criminal charges were made against our member, after a thoughtful conversation, the member stepped down in the interest of supporting the committee’s work.

    This decision was not Ms. Carteris’ to make. She has no jurisdiction over my committee choices.

    I couldn’t be more shocked that I was sandbagged in this meeting over a decision that was made, which marginalized this member who was a survivor themself, and one who had chosen to protect other children by having laws changed in two states which would extend times survivors have to report abuse.

    Unlike Carteris, who as National President assigns every Chair and every single member of every committee in accordance to what party they belong to, I give my Bipartisan Chairs the power to choose members of their committees and to make their own decisions about those committees.

    I gave the Chairs of the Sexual Harassment Committee (with some consultation from me and the member in question) the power to make the decision which was in no way the National President’s to make.

    As of this writing, there still has been no legal charges brought against that member.

    Clearly, the behavior of Ms. Carteris and her accomplices in the boardroom, and on our staff, have reached a breaking point.

    The failure of leadership by this President and those complicit in her craven attempt to smear my name, only reveal the abdication of responsibility to deliver key intimacy protections for our members when they are most vulnerable.

    The political calculus is designed to mute our objection to their failure on this issue.

    It won’t work.

    Enough people are watching and paying attention to the truth.

    So, let us finish the business of this proposed ratification vote. We will have more to say about Ms. Carteris’ defamation in due course.”

    https://deadline.com/2020/07/corey-feldman-harassment-accusations-sag-aftra-committee-patricia-richardson-reprimanded-1202990154/

    This would be enough for today. Just let all of the above sink in.

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  13. Mechanical Animals permalink
    September 4, 2022 1:57 pm

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  14. September 4, 2022 11:29 am

    “Also, Jeffrey Katzenberg is not gay. He’s been married to the same woman since 1975.”

    It doesn’t matter that he’s been married to the same woman since 1975. The late Evan Chandler was a friend of Katzenberg’s wife and knew her very well (what a small world it is), so it was he who told us about it and who was also immensely amazed when Michael Jackson revealed to him that Katzenberg was gay.

    This revelation came under very specific circumstances. We’ve learned about it by accident too – from the book by Victor Gutierrez, the notorious Michael Jackson hater.

    Gutierrez himself was a NAMBLA attendee and is apparently a pedophile himself, so he wrote a filthy book about MJ spilling out there his own worst pedophilia fantasies. On occasions Gutierrez referred there to the so-called “diary” of Evan Chandler who, for example, described the day when Michael was invited to say in Evan’s house and complained of a horrible headache due to the stretching of his scalp surgery regularly done on his head after the burn.

    Evan Chandler gave Michael Toradol by making two injections into his buttocks (naturally he saw Michael’s vitiligo stains and the description later flowed into the so-called Jordan Chandler’s complaint) and admitted that he used the chance to interrogate Michael about his son Jordan.

    Surprise-surprise, Evan Chandler didn’t hear anything incriminating MJ – actually Evan’s brother Ray described the same scene in his own book which makes it perfectly clear that nothing came of that venture.

    HOWEVER, while Michael was somewhat “stoned” by those Toradol injections he spilled some secrets about Hollywood instead. And this is where Katzenberg comes into the picture.

    Michael told Evan Chandler that Jeffrey Katzenberg was gay, though no one knew it, and Evan was greatly amazed by that revelation as he was friends with Katzenberg’s wife but didn’t have a clue.

    In the final version of Gutierrez’s book the name of Katzenberg was redacted, so until a certain moment I didn’t know about it either. But then a video of Gutierrez talking about his book on Chilean TV was found and over there the camera fixed on the same unredacted page long enough for us to be able to read the following:

    “I told him I knew that several of his advisers were gay – Arnie Klein, David Geffen, Sandy Gallin and I asked him if he was gay. He chuckled and said no. Then he added, “You left out Jeffrey Katzenberg”. I was shocked because I knew Marylin Katzenberg, Jeffrey’s wife. Marylin and I had lunch a couple of times a year and talked exclusively about our families. I asked if he was kidding and he smiled without saying anything more about Jeffrey. When I asked him about Arnie he laughed and said, “Don’t worry, he likes little fat men” like his present boyfriend who works one of the rides at Disneyland. He seemed to view them all from a distance –like they worked for him but they weren’t his friends. There was no sign of disdain but he gave the distinct impression that he was above them all.”

    Here is the redacted version from Gutierrez’s book:
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    And here is the unredacted one:
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    Putting the matter of gay Katzenberg aside (who isn’t gay these days!) isn’t it a sensation that all those people were so close to each other?

    Victor Gutierrez said that he was asked (and paid for) by someone in Hollywood to prove that Jackson was a ped-le, Evan Chandler who closely associated with Gutierrez, Jeffrey Katzenberg’s wife whom Evan regularly met and “talked exclusively about their families”, Katzenberg himself who crushed Michael with that fake Project M film, and finally David Geffen too?

    This is why Michael had every reason to later claim that the group of Geffen-Katzenberg-Sandy Gallin and other powerful Hollywood personalities were actually the gay Mafia that did him in.

    Characteristically, it is also clear even from the above description that the subject was so dangerous that Michael refused to talk about it even under Toradol.

    So thank you, oasisfan, for reminding me about that matter. Shall I make a post about it, dear?

    P.S. Well, actually I shouldn’t have asked you that question – the answer is obviously no anyway. I am also trying to ban you from coming to this blog however you are stuck to me like no other, reoccurring again and again here, each time from a different IP address.
    Are you so obsessed with me that you can’t help writing here? In this case you should seek psychological help.
    Or are you on a “mission”?

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  15. September 4, 2022 10:08 am

    “You’ve said nothing at all about the fact that Corey Feldman has been accused by a dozen women of sexual assault. That Judy Haim says that Feldman is cynically using her dead son to sell a con job. That Feldman is lying about who actually raped Corey Haim, and is protecting the person that actually did it, someone who is a friend of Corey Feldman’s.” – oasisfan

    I’ve said nothing about it because I expected all of it the moment Corey Feldman mentioned pedophilia in Hollywood. The thing is that a smear campaign against the whistleblower is inevitable there the moment this person tells the truth. This smear campaign always comes in a standard retaliation package.

    This package certainly includes women who will accuse him of anything for a certain fee, the mother who will justify her own behavior of turning a blind eye on her son’s woes as long as he is a source of her income and who will baselessly claim that her son was so “transparent” that she would have surely noticed.

    Why baselessly? Because even me, a total outsider, can notice that all is not well with Corey Haim when I see the photos of him as a youngster. A nervous, somewhat lost, confused and clearly unhappy child. Any mother would have been on her guard – except that mother of course.

    Naturally, she will also be the one who will blame the whistleblower and attack him in order to justify herself and discredit him. This is classical textbook behavior.

    Besides, her remonstrations are nothing in comparison with Corey Feldman’s powerful memories of what happened to him and his friend. The moment you watch, hear or read Feldman’s story you can feel the real pain and tragedy of what both of them experienced. Compared to that the feigned outrage of Corey’s mother is nothing.

    Furthermore, she accuses Corey Feldman of not going to the police instead of revealing it to the media. But doesn’t she know that Corey Feldman did speak to the police when they approached him about Michael Jackson and even gave the name of his own abuser, but the police only laughed and never tried to investigate the case?

    Actually it is the reply of Sergeant Deborah Linden (who was after Michael Jackson only) that gives you the most shivers. She said about Corey Feldman’s abuser:

    Sgt. Deborah Linden: If we run across him, we’ll let you know. Hahahahaha.

    What else do we need to know about the fact that both Coreys were actually totally helpless against that powerful Mafia if even the police looked the other way?

    More about it in this post:
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/corey-feldmans-tapes-about-michael-jackson-jon-grissom-sergeant-deborah-linden-and-other-characters/

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  16. Oasisfan permalink
    September 4, 2022 7:55 am

    You’ve said nothing at all about the fact that Corey Feldman has been accused by a dozen women of sexual assault. That Judy Haim says that Feldman is cynically using her dead son to sell a con job. That Feldman is lying about who actually raped Corey Haim, and is protecting the person that actually did it, someone who is a friend of Corey Feldman’s.

    Also, Jeffrey Katzenberg is not gay. He’s been married to the same woman since 1975.

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  17. September 4, 2022 6:29 am

    “Here’s another uncomfortable trueth for you. Corey Feldman has sadly become everything he decries. He’s one of those figures who’s turned his scars and his abuse, and that of Corey Haim, into becoming an abuser himself, as well as a grifter and leech.” – oasisfan

    When Corey Feldman came up with his story about pedophilia rampant in Hollywood, you could already foresee the amount of negativity and slander he would have to face by the reaction of Barbara Walters alone. “You are damaging an entire industry!” was her only reaction to Corey describing his ordeal to which Feldman replied that he was trying not to and just said that “it’s a very important, serious topic”.

    In fact, considering what Corey had to go through he turned out to be a rather balanced, resilient and strong adult, and for this alone he is worthy of respect.

    And it is also amazing to see the hypocrisy of those who would cry crocodile tears at seeing Marylin Manson “hurt” by what Corey Feldman said about him, or worse, by addressing someone by an improper pronoun, but who are totally indifferent and even callous towards real victims of abuse whose lives were shattered into pieces by pedophile criminals.

    Here is a little reminder about Hollywood and Barbara Walters:

    Barbara Walters Accuses Corey Feldman of ‘Damaging Entire Industry’ With Pedophilia Accusations
    BY MARINA WATTS ON 8/14/20 AT 12:44 PM EDT

    Barbara Walters is known for asking the hard-hitting questions, but in this video, she may have gone a little too far. In a resurfaced clip from an October 2013 episode of The View, the media personality asked Corey Feldman about the abuse he faced in the past. Feldman was on the show promoting his memoir Coreyography.

    “I’m saying that there are people that were the people that did this to both me and Corey [Haim] are still working, are still out there. They’re some of the richest, most powerful people in this business,” Feldman explained. “And they do not want me saying what I’m saying right now.”

    Feldman and fellow ’80s star Corey Haim have been vocal about the abuse they faced and claimed that they were “passed around to pedophiles,” as per Page Six. “They would throw these parties where you’d walk in and it would be mostly kids and there would be a handful of adult men,” Feldman recalled. “They would also be at the film awards and children’s charity functions.”

    “Are you saying that they’re pedophiles?” Walters asked. “And that they’re still in this business?” Feldman confirmed that yes, that is what he was alleging.

    “And that’s what you’re saying in your book,” The View co-host Sherri Shepherd chimed in. “When you talk to parents, Corey, there are a lot of parents out there, who want to put their kids in this business. They’re cute, they’re great actors, what would you say to a parent who just has the best of intentions coming here with their child? If you’re saying there’s a lot of predators in this industry.”

    “It’s a many-feathered bird,” Feldman responded. “Be careful what you wish for. That’s what I’ll tell you. Don’t go into it with naivety, don’t go into it thinking it’s all roses and sunglasses — ”

    “You’re damaging an entire industry,” Walters cut in. Feldman apologized to Walters, adding that he was not trying to. “I’m trying to say that it’s a very important, serious topic,” he emphasized.

    Redditors watching the clip this week were shocked by Walters’ comments. “Barbara’s response is quite disgusting and other than making Barbara look bad serves no purpose. I also feel really bad Corey felt the need to apologize,” one wrote.

    In a statement emailed to Newsweek, Feldman commented on his 2013 back and forth with Walters and the concept of victim-shaming.

    “The gratuitous display of carelessness and thoughtlessness for the weight and importance for what I was trying to put across, showed a particular callousness to the concept that anyone in Hollywood could be doing something wrong,” Feldman explained. “Even worse, the concept that even if they were I should just endure the personal pain and keep my mouth shut, because that’s what is most convenient for others. It’s shocking that only a few years ago, this was completely acceptable in the media.”

    Full text here: https://www.newsweek.com/barbara-walters-accuses-corey-feldman-damaging-entire-industry-pedophilia-accusations-1525167

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  18. September 4, 2022 5:18 am

    “What have I personally done to add to the movement,” you are certainly right that I didn’t turn up leads on my own,

    So the gist of what you say is that you personally never, ever did anything to prove Michael Jackson’s innocence. You are just going along with the “movement”.
    However, even that is a lie, because just a couple of days ago you shamed and blamed me for standing up for Michael Jackson as if there hadn’t been other “martyrs” like Elvis Presley, Johnny Depp, Marylin Manson, etc.
    In your opinion, MJ suffered no more than Johnny Depp, so you attacked me with “How dare you say Michael was “bullied like no one else?”? to which I replied to you that I perfectly dare.

    As to the rest of your rants, they are typical strawman arguments.

    Wiki: “A straw man is a form of argument and a fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.”

    To put it in plain words first you attribute to me what I never said, and then you heroically “fight” the lies you told about me yourself.

    I never said or even meant what you so hypocritically allege here, to name only a few:

    “…there is an entire massive p-le ring aided and abetted by everyone in Hollywood, including Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Hanks. Children’s blood is not being stolen to drink in “Satanic” rituals.”

    “LGBT rights and their movement sought to destroy Michael, Academia and NAMBLA work hand in hand”

    And many-many others.

    Actually, it was Michael Jackson himself who said that he was ruined by the Gay MAFIA, especially the one in Hollywood, meaning Geffen, Diller, Katzenberg (yes, he is gay too) and those others who are also associated with Geffen, the most powerful person in Hollywood.

    Let me stress it again – MJ was harassed and smeared by MAFIA, and it actually doesn’t matter which kind of mafia it is – gay, heterosexual, left-wing, right-wing, socialist, fascist, etc.

    Mafia is mafia. According to dictionary interpretations it is “an organized ring of criminals who have a complex and ruthless behavioral code resembling the Mafia in its way of operating, a group regarded as exerting a hidden sinister influence”.

    So let us be clear – MJ spoke about the MAFIA that did him in and not individual gays of whom he had lots and lots of friends and who are certainly unaware of what Geffen and the like are responsible for.

    Similarly, in no way do I think that ordinary gays are responsible for what Geffen and his clique did and are still doing to Michael Jackson. It is none of my business what their sexual preferences are – as long as they don’t constantly flaunt their practices at other people’s faces and especially the young.

    In fact, I would be similarly offended if heterosexuals flaunted their sex practices in other people’s faces and forced youngsters to see and repeat what is usually done behind closed doors.

    In this way, I am very much like Michael Jackson, who was so prudent and reserved in respect of open sex demonstrations that he used to close with pieces of paper people’s genitalia on the pictures hanging on the walls in his friends’ homes when he came to stay there with his children.

    Macauley’s father – however bad he is – was also amazed to see that Michael Jackson was an epitome of an old Victorian maid in this respect.

    In short, Michael Jackson was utterly against pushing sex in other people’s eyes (“In the closet” is exactly about it) and even when speaking with Trump he was so embarrassed to tell him that that he had a new girlfriend, Lisa Marie Presley, and asked him whether he minded if she stayed with him in Trump’s estate, that he closed his face with a napkin at some point.

    And I am 100% sure that Michael Jackson would have been totally against what we, adults and youngsters are forced to see now, during the month of pride, for example (in contrast to the US independence day which is celebrated on one day only).

    He would be abhorred with some of today’s ways, for example: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1536396716085223424

    Singer Christina Aguilera wore this on stage while performing at LA’s Pride in the Park. The advertisements did not metion any age requirement and it appears this was an all-ages event. @lapridewere children present by this performance?

    This is morally wrong and should not be flaunted at children. In fact, I want to ban Pride until they can clean up their sexualized parades and keep it clean for kids. Out children do not and should never be exposed to this kind of filth.

    Gays themselves say that all this is over-reach and is something they never intended when they fought for their right to be accepted. And I completely support and side with these reasonable people.

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  19. Oasisfan permalink
    September 3, 2022 6:46 pm

    Corey Haim’s mother, Judy, has pulled no punches in attacking Corey Feldman as a grifter and scam artist, disrespecting her son’s memory.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/corey-haim-s-mom-calls-corey-feldman-s-pedophile-claims-bogus-he-s-a-scam-artist-1052712/

    https://movieweb.com/corey-haim-real-rapist-dominick-brascia-charlie-sheen/

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  20. Oasisfan permalink
    September 3, 2022 5:55 pm

    Here’s another uncomfortable trueth for you. Corey Feldman has sadly become everything he decries. He’s one of those figures who’s turned his scars and his abuse, and that of Corey Haim, into becoming an abuser himself, as well as a grifter and leech. He’s even covering for one of his close friends, whom Corey Haim’s mother, Judy, says is Corey Haim’s real abuser, and not Charlie Sheen.

    This comes from someone that is the opposite of me ideologically, and he goes into many Trump-supporting tangents that are too numerous and absurd, but he comes up with solid evidence supporting the innocence of Marilyn Manson. And his evidence showing Corey is now just as villainous, if not more so, than those who violated him and Corey Haim, is damning.

    https://www.marilynmansonuncanceled.com/2022/09/the-disturbing-truth-behind-corey.html

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  21. Oasisfan permalink
    September 3, 2022 5:12 pm

    If you’re asking me “What have I personally done to add to the movement,” you are certainly right that I didn’t turn up leads on my own, but nor did I ever claim to. What I was referring to his is how I approach a subject and peer through information to make my opinions about a subject. I utilize critical thinking, trial and error, process of elimination. I do so by look at a panopoly of sources across the ideological spectrum, and I arrive at my conclusions after finding where things correspond best and are most consistent. That way, when I talk about, say, gun control, I know what I’m talking about, especially when I say that America must do more to strengthen legislation and make it harder for people to commit horrific acts of violence with military-grade weapons. I applied this to the question of Michael, and I certainly came to believe in his innocence. And I would be remiss if I didn’t thank you for that.

    But I also apply all this very much to everything. Especially in understanding the world is not black and white, a story of good and evil. It hasn’t been in all of human history, and it never will be. Life is compliclated and awkward, and people are complex. So many things that seem opposites of each other can be true at the same time.

    Case in point: David Geffen claimed to be a friend of Michael’s but betrayed him. Geffen claims to be a liberal and makes a big show of support. Geffen has no morals or beliefs but the almighty dollar and wanting to be the last man standing. Geffen betrayed Michael solely because he wouldn’t be on his label.

    Another example: Trump has said he never saw evidence of Michael being a criminal. Michael thought Trump was a friend. Trump was no real friend. Trump is a rapist, a wannabe mafia boss, the biggest criminal “President” since Richard Nixon, and is cozy with Vladimir Putin. All of these things are true.

    Just because Geffen aided and abetted Bryan Singer and DEN and the like does not mean there is an entire massive p-le ring aided and abetted by everyone in Hollywood, including Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Hanks. Children’s blood is not being stolen to drink in “Satanic” rituals. There is no grander conspiracy beyond all that. Geffen would be Geffen even if he wasn’t gay. His sexuality has nothing to do with his behavior. There is no Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot or Roswell Aliens or Freemason conspiracy, all right?

    I am guided by my moral compass, and I follow what my conscience tells me. And it’s telling me to point out how you have reduced this blog, which once was a thriving community with hundreds of commenters and moderators, into a hollow shell, strung along only by your vendetta against the West. Because the truth is, you are no different from Vladimir Putin. He simply crossed a line you wouldn’t, and because he doesn’t perfectly align with your worldview, you denounce him, even though ideologically you are equal. If Putin were still in the guise of cleaning up Boris Yeltsin’s mistakes as he was in 2000, the fact is that you would be admiring him and kissing the ground he walks on. Deny it all you want, and I know you will, but the truth speaks volumes.

    And that’s where things fall into place. You’re using Michael as a Trojan horse to lash out and seek to destroy the West. And it’s an absurd escalation, a nuclear missile answering a pinprick. And Michael would be the first to denounce you for that, for co-opting his message of love and acceptance into a message of intolerance and bgotry.

    When I saw “We” and “the movement”,,I’m referring to the millions of people who believe in Michael’s innocence and protest against the continual smears, especially by HBO and Dan Reed. Once upon a time, you were a strong leader in that movement. You turned up valuable evidence and information, including about Geffen. For that, everyone is justly proud of you. But you’ve flown too close to the sun, especially in sawing that “LGBT rights and their movement sought to destroy Michael, Academia and NAMBLA work hand in hand,” and on and on and on, rambling like an incoherent lunatic.And much of this is the type of disinformation campaign that Putin and his troll armies have done, taking good people and turning them into soldiers for his revanchist plans for Mother Russia. Trouble is you’re so far in you can’t see otherwise.

    The wisest thing for you to do would be to hand the reins of power, of this blog, to someone else, someone who is just as committed to the fight as you, especially where Geffen is concerned, but without turning it into a fight to destroy the West and deny the truth about the LGBT community. Michael would never approave of denying basic human rights in this manner. And if you really think so, you don’t actually understand Michael at all.

    Lest you see me as just a “Godless heathen,” I can assure you this. This is what people like me and many people,especially those feared “rpgressives”, actually believe. All here, in this song.

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  22. September 3, 2022 10:18 am

    From the day I found your blog I have learned so much about Michael that almost everything I hear or see I feel like I know about it and you have worked very hard for it” – Des

    Thank you, Des!

    “you been quiet I feel because nothing important happened the last couple of years when it comes to Michael.”

    I’ve been quiet because time and again I am crushed by the horrible things taking place in the world (the latest one was half a year ago) and they almost kill me like a lightening bolt.

    Then it takes time to scrape myself off the ground a bit, however mostly in these periods I continue to crave for all sorts of information even more than ever – to make sure that I am on the right side of history and the side of God, and also in search for a way-out of this hell.

    So whenever I am silent it is not because I’ve forgotten about Michael or there is nothing else to write about him – there is still a lot!

    In fact, the more I learn about the current developments the more I realize that all these events are interconnected with each other. Thus the smear campaign against Michael Jackson, for example, helped me to get to the bottom of other things taking place now.

    Take the situation with Trump, for example. It has been so long and so intense that initially I went with the crowd and ridiculed him like everyone else – even without really knowing the details of what he did or didn’t do, just relying on information from others (this alone reminded me of how I went along with others, alas, when they were smearing Michael).

    Then the worldwide scope of anti-Trump campaign and banning the President of the USA from social media made me uneasy and somewhat set me on my guard.

    Then the various “investigations” that actually went nowhere but were over-publicized by the press made me wonder.

    Then I began looking into facts and found something completely different from what was actually reported by the media.

    Then I learned what kind of mainstream media reported what and found that almost all of it was on one side only. Surprisingly, it also turned out to be the same mainstream media that was especially vile towards Jackson in their harrassment campaign against him, with very few exceptions (I’m talking about the so-called “quality” media, tabloids are a different story).

    Then the 30+ officers’ raid of Trump’s home in search for some “classified” documents (though by taking them home any US president declassifies them by default, Obama did exactly the same), and the initial switching off cameras in his house reminded me heavily of the raid of Michael Jackson’s Neverland. And the law-enforcement agencies again, almost uniformly, were looking one way only, though Hillary Clinton’s erasion of almost 30 thousand classified documents from her personal computer when she wasn’t even a POTUS was a much heavier crime – which no one really noticed though.

    And recently Trump’s supporters were labeled by Biden “semi-fascists” which means that only one ideology is welcome now, and those 75 million people who voted for him are obliged to stick to it, otherwise they become the worst enemies of mankind. But one ideology for all is actually what real fascists are all about!

    However, it was mainly the SCOPE of a worldwide campaign against Trump which proved to me that if some forces are able to work so uniformly and consistently against POTUS himself, they could (and did) easily orchestrate a worldwide smear campaign against Michael Jackson too, and for the same ideological reasons, as his thoughts, ideas and values were going against their prevailing agenda.

    In short, if they are able to do it with the President of the most powerful country in the world, arranging an anti-Michael Jackson campaign was a joke for them. And they have proven it themselves. Proven in a more powerfully and credible way than anything else ever could.

    So believe it or not, but if it weren’t for Michael Jackson I wouldn’t be able to understand the intricacies of today’s world and some of its deepest undercurrents.

    It is as if at first I helped Michael, at least in my small way, and now it is him who is helping me to understand the world and follow the path of truth.

    And I am deeply and sincerely grateful to him for it.

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  23. September 3, 2022 8:41 am

    “Your sources start from Putin-owned propaganda mills like Russia Today… you, you never search results beyond your narrow worldview, which, despite what you may say, is very much the result of Putin’s propaganda mill. But they’re good at making you think it’s your own opinion. You’re not willing to venture out beyond that, and as such, you don’t actually learn.

    What an incredible LIAR you are!

    You either don’t know a thing about me or intentionally and MALICIOUSLY spread lies about me in an effort to discredit me here (and probably elsewhere) over and over again.

    Which does not surprise me in the least. When liars have nothing to say on the subject matter they turn personal and attack the personality and not ideas.

    In case you failed to notice it, my ideas are solely my own and are the result of analyzing the sources of the widest possible spectrum as following “the party line” (Democratic, Republican, “progressive”, left, right, Putin’s, western or whatever) is absolutely not my style.

    My style is spanning the whole spectrum of ideas, examining the veracity of each and every argument, checking up who tells the truth and who lies/stretches the truth to fit their agenda, and only then coming to certain conclusions – the conclusions that are always very hard earned.

    In fact, the difference of this blog from all others supporting Michael Jackson has been its unique style of not cheering with the crowd of MJ fans, some of whom would be in love with him no matter what, but going to haters’ sites and analyzing their arguments in the first place no matter how nauseous and sickening it was considering the allegations about him.

    For 13 years now it has been very hard and extremely time-and-health-consuming work for me of spanning ALL available sources about those allegations – anti-Michael and pro-Michael, searching for the precious grains of truth about him and separating them from a huge and extremely bad-smelling pile of lies.

    Why have I done it that way and not a much easier one of just repeating the standard arguments of MJ fans like “why they don’t leave him alone and just let him rest in peace”?

    Because going the hard way is my general method of learning the truth.

    And if during this journey regarding Michael Jackson the scope of materials that had to be studied grew wider and wider, and then wider again, eventually touching upon Geffen, Hollywood, pedophilia there and at other places, and other similarly “peculiar” subjects – all of it is only the natural result of analyzing an extremely wide spectrum of sources, out of which just a tiny percent of my findings has been reported in this blog.

    This is why my problem of writing here is not any lack of materials, but actually a gigantic number of them so that I don’t know which one to handle first and some of which do not refer to Michael Jackson per se, but are sort of “around” him and therefore cannot be reported here.

    In short, what you see in this blog is only a fraction of what I have learned about the US, western culture in general, the media, law, education, entertainment, and even its current policies, developments and tendencies in the past 13 years.

    And surprise-surprise, this learning process has taken place singularly on the basis of your own, I mean Western sources, and certainly not Russian.

    Again, in case you don’t know I haven’t watched Russian TV or read their sources for no less than 15 years now (I remember it because my separation from it began well before I started this blog), which eventually helped me very much to be on my own and save myself from their extremely stealthy propaganda. Actually many westerners I’ve come to know through this blog have been much more gravely affected by this propaganda than me and they don’t even notice it!

    Now this is what you allege about yourself and about your “mission”:

    My mission and my worldview is simple. I believe in truth above all else. To reach that truth, I investigate everything thoroughly. I look through and peer through books, videos, articles, news transcripts, broadcasts, documentaries and the like. I search across a panopoly of soruces, spanning the entire political/ideological spectrum. If I’m wrong, I easily admit when I’m wrong. And I don’t roll over when I know I’m in the right.

    It would be fine if all of the above were true and were not just some self-aggrandizing pathos. But I would like to see some proof of it – just how much did YOU personally work for the truth and where can I see the results, please? About proving the innocence of Michael Jackson, for example?

    The fact is, the movement doesn’t need you anymore. We’ve learned much from you, but now we can continue on without you, because you’re now a liability and will destroy our credibility.

    “OUR” credibility? But who are these mysterious YOU? And where are YOUR ground-breaking studies and materials proving Michael Jackson’s innocence? And don’t just refer us to other people’s sources, please – tell us of your personal contribution with proof, links and all the rest that goes with it.

    Actually, if YOU consider yourself a “movement” and if it really does something good for Michael, you are welcome to go on with it – while I will continue on my own.

    This has always been and will always be MY WAY.

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  24. Des permalink
    September 3, 2022 5:44 am

    Hi Helena I hope your well, I want to say something here because we been called sycophants on your blog from someone who doesn’t know anyone of us and his taken over and he talks for us. My opinion from the day I found your blog I have learned so much about Michael that almost everything I hear or see I feel like I know about it and you have worked very hard for it now things have changed Michaels legacy is in a better place his fans his estate is family his children they all working very hard for him and it has been thirteen years since Michael gone things change people change people are more relaxed about him but we are also more stressed with everything that’s happening in the world,Covid ,war ,natural disasters people lost loved ones and you been quiet I feel because nothing important happened the last couple of years when it comes to Michael. Now I don’t like politics and I don’t like Trump as a president but he did stand up for Michael and his whole family his ex wife said that he was the only one who had access to the private quarters with their kids, but I don’t like Biden too for a president he is a good man in my opinion but not for a leader. Now I am going to say something here in the every day language till the day I die I will never except that having sex with a part of your body that is there for the waste to come out as normal doesn’t matter if they are the same sex or the opposite the actual act makes me sick nothing against the people what people do with their bodies it’s not my business but don’t ask me to except it as normal you can call me any names you want I don’t fear that am gonna loose my job or my career many people stay silent from fear. And let the children be children let them enjoy at least some years of their lives they already confused and anxious and it’s our fault .

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  25. Oasisfan permalink
    September 2, 2022 2:07 pm

    Your sources start from Putin-owned propaganda mills like Russia Today, then they get picked up by useful idiots and fellow travelers, especially among the alt-right and the insurrectionists. In depth studies regarding transition, especially in Western Europe and North America, prove otherwise, especially among the stats at the National Institutes of Health.

    And this is the problem. I’ve listed and mentioned books and studies, pleaces to find articles, and the like, but you’ll never check them out. It’s not just a case of “You’re not posting it yourself, so you have nothing.” It’s because you could just as easily look this up yourself by tuping the words in the search engine, but you’re not even going to try.

    My mission and my worldview is simple. I believe in truth above all else. To reach that truth, I investigate everything thoroughly. I look through and peer through books, videos, articles, news transcripts, broadcasts, documentaries and the like. I search across a panopoly of soruces, spanning the entire political/ideological spectrum. If I’m wrong, I easily admit when I’m wrong. And I don’t roll over when I know I’m in the right. But you, you never search results beyond your narrow worldview, which, despite what you may say, is very much the result of Putin’s propaganda mill. But they’re good at making you think it’s your own opinion.You’re not willing to venture out beyond that, and as such, you don’t actually learn.

    And this is why this blog, which was once so popular among the movement, has been largely abandoned except for sycophants. You’ve chased away everyone that tells you when you’re wrong, people who point out that you’re misinformed, or the fact that right now you’re using Michael as a mere prop, a Trojan horse, to attack modern progress. Co-opting him to fit somethin unrelated.You just rage and scream that we’re all traitors to the cause, rather than accept the far simpler truth. The truth of “Maybe I’M the problem.”

    Your vendetta against the West is incredibly disappointing, especially given that it is helping you fight off the yoke of oppression from Putin right now. Did the West screw up with Russia in the ’90s? Absolutely. But right now, helping you is making a significant way to make up for it.

    The fact is, the movement doesn’t need you anymore. We’ve learned much from you, but now we can continue on without you, because you’re now a liability and will destroy our credibility. You had a great run, but that was then and this is now. And the train of social progress and respecting the rights of others and respecting their sexuality and gender is going to continue regardless. You’ll never be able to stop it, you’ll just get run over, especially if you keep repeating falsehoods over and over.

    So good luck with all that. I wish you well, especially for you personally, especially knowing the war cannot last forever. But it’s time to give the baton to the next generation, to be gracious in recognizing reality.

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  26. September 1, 2022 5:50 pm

    Listen to me, very carefully. “Detransitioning” does not occur due to regret for more than 4 percent. Most of those who do actually ARE trans, but they detrainsition because they are being bullied and not accepted for who they are, so they choose to “fit in” rather than be their authentic selves.

    Listen to me carefully too, the person-who-knows-everything-better-than-others.

    The real statistics are totally different. While the number of transitioners has suddenly skyrocketed in the past few years, those willing to detransition is also quickly growing among those who realize that they were terribly failed by the medical community and that none of their problems were solved by the “treatment” they underwent.
    reaons for detransition

    Children are not “mutiliating their bodies,” because children and teenagers under 18 are not leagally allowed gender-affirming surgeries.

    Though children under 18 may not be legally allowed to have any gender-changing surgeries, it does not stop various doctors from doing so. A certain Dr. Scott Mosser for example, says that a gender journey cannot begin too early. There is no age limit. He is promoting his services online and says that he’s been “super-committed to gender surgery….” Someone could do it after a counsel with him “at the age of 10, 11 or 12”

    They have to undergo years of theraphy, confirmation, then trial transitions, or “social transitions” before the surgeries.

    Actually giving a child a puberty blocker is already doing irreparable harm to his/her growing body because it doesn’t allow the kid to go through the natural stages of physiological growing up.

    That’s the way it’s worked for decades.

    For decades? The whole story has turned into a craze just within the past several years! Quote:

    In recent years, the number of children experiencing gender dysphoria in the West has skyrocketed. Exact figures are difficult to come by, but, between 2009 and 2019, children being referred for transitioning treatment in the United Kingdom increased 1,000% among biological males and 4,400% among biological females.

    According to an online survey of detransitioners conducted by Dr. Lisa Littman last year, 40% said their gender dysphoria was caused by a mental-health condition and 62% felt medical professionals did not investigate whether trauma was a factor in their transition decisions.

    Dr. Lisa Littman, coined the term “rapid onset gender dysphoria” to describe this subset of transgender youth, typically biological females who become suddenly dysphoric during or shortly after puberty. Littman believes this may be due to adolescent girls’ susceptibility to peer influence on social media.

    Helena Kerschner, a 23-year-old detransitioner from Cincinnati, Ohio, who was born a biological female, first felt gender dysphoric at age 14. She says Tumblr sites filled with transgender activist content spurred her transition.

    “I was going through a period where I was just really isolated at school, so I turned to the Internet,” she recalled. In her real life, Kerschner had a falling out with friends at school; online however, she found a community that welcomed her. “My dysphoria was definitely triggered by this online community. I never thought about my gender or had a problem with being a girl before going on Tumblr.”

    “There was a lot of negativity around being a cis, heterosexual, white girl, and I took those messages really, really personally.”

    Chloe Cole, a 17-year-old student in California, had a similar experience when she joined Instagram at 11.

    “I started being exposed to a lot of LGBT content and activism,” she said. “I saw how trans people online got an overwhelming amount of support, and the amount of praise they were getting really spoke to me because, at the time, I didn’t really have a lot of friends of my own.”

    “Because my body didn’t match beauty ideals, I started to wonder if there was something wrong with me. I thought I wasn’t pretty enough to be a girl, so I’d be better off as a boy. Deep inside, I wanted to be pretty all along, but that’s something I kept suppressed.”

    When Chloe was 12 years old, she decided she was transgender. At 13, she came out to her parents. That same year, she was put on puberty blockers and prescribed testosterone. At 15, she underwent a double mastectomy. Less than a year later, she realized she’d made a mistake — all by the time she was 16 years old.

    “I was failed by the system. I literally lost organs.” “I can’t stay quiet,” said Chloe. “I need to do something about this and to share my own cautionary tale.”

    Marcus Evans, former Clinical Director of Adult and Adolescent Services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust said:

    “I saw children being fast-tracked onto medical solutions for psychological problems, and when kids get on the medical conveyor belt, they don’t get off,” Evans said. “But the politicization of the issue was shutting down proper clinical rigor. That meant quite vulnerable kids were in danger of being put on a medical path for treatment that they may well regret.”

    Indeed, transitions are getting younger and hastier. Puberty blockers are commonly administered at the first sign of development to children as young as 9, according to the World Professional Association for Transgender Health. Testosterone and estrogen injections are frequently prescribed at age 13 or 14, despite the Endocrine Society’s recommendation of 16. And serious surgeries like mastectomies are sometimes performed on children as young as 13.

    “There’s obviously a lot of concern about the capacity for the adolescent or minor to fully appreciate what medicalization really means. I’m not against transition. I just don’t think kids can give informed consent.” [Marcus Evans].

    Chloe said testosterone altered her bone structure, permanently sharpening her jawline and broadening her shoulders. She said she also struggles with increased body and facial hair. She has a large scar across her chest from her mastectomy, which disturbed her about surgery. “The recovery was a very graphic process, and it was definitely something I wasn’t prepared for,” she said. “I couldn’t even bear to look at myself sometimes. It would make me nauseous.”

    Gravest of all concerns is her fertility. Although she’d like to have children one day, Chloe doesn’t know whether the viability of her eggs was compromised by years of testosterone injections. She’s working with doctors to find out, and her medical future is uncertain. “I’m still in the dark about the overall picture of my health right now,” she said.

    Chloe Cole
    @ChoooCole

    My testimony against SB107 in front of Wiener and the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    Chloe Cole
    @ChoooCole

    In California, a child can’t get a tan at a tanning booth but a hysterectomy and double mastectomy is no issue. Let that sink in.

    Now a question: HOW BIG IS THE PROBLEM?
    Here is the answer: VERY BIG.
    The Tavistock Gender Clinic for children in the UK for example, is now sued by at least 1000 families of children who were forced to use irreversible puberty blockers and some underwent the mutilation surgery.

    Posted by EU Times on Aug 17th, 2022
    Thousands of parents who feel their children were forced to use irreversible puberty blockers are suing a disputed gender identity clinic, only weeks after the NHS shut it down after a damning report.

    The number of children treated at Tavistock, the only gender and sex transition clinic in Britain, increased from roughly 130 in 2010 to approximately 2400 in 2021.

    By the time it was finally closed, the clinic was actually struggling to keep up with the demand for its services, and many supporters of sex change therapy for youngsters suggested that MORE centers like Tavistock would soon be required.

    In the last ten years, what has changed? Not the percentage of persons who are born with gender dysphoria; it cannot be determined statistically. The only thing that has changed is that young people are now being targeted by trans propaganda and trans identity politics are now a craze.

    When Keira Bell, a former patient, sued the clinic in 2020, saying she was too young to give her permission to the medical therapy approved by the GIDS that started her gender transition as a teenager, the controversy surrounding Tavistock grew more serious. [ ]

    The demise of Tavistock validates popular concerns that gender ideology is deceptive and that children without a clear understanding of sexuality have been chemically and physically wounded for political cultism rather than individual wellness.

    It was recently revealed that the clinic is also facing a major lawsuit from at least 1000 former patients’ families, with the number climbing by the day.
    https://www.eutimes.net/2022/08/tavistock-gender-clinic-for-children-shut-down-sued-by-at-least-1000-families-in-uk/

    NOW, HOW IS ALL THAT CONNECTED WITH PEDOPHILIA?
    You say:

    NAMBLA has no public support, and it never will, because everyone understands how sickening it is.”

    Of course it has no open public support – because the NAMBLA intentions are too obvious. This is why the progressive “science” has approached the matter from a back door, so that the unsuspecting public doesn’t really notice what kind of ideology is being crammed down their throats.

    This ideology has confused both children and parents, so that parents have to follow the “science” when their kids insist that they are a different gender and should undergo treatment – and all of it is of course done in the name of children’s well-being and out of fear that they may self harm.

    Everything is upside down already at this stage, but the next step might be a “scientific” discovery that early sex is good for a child’s psychological stability, to determine his/her/their/etc. true gender or for other similarly crazy reasons, and the brainwashed and obedient parents will be left powerless in the face of such “science” or may even hand their own kid to some adult pervert, all in the name of the child’s well-being of course.

    I will be only too happy if my prognosis turns out to be wrong, but the present situation does not allow me to be optimistic.

    “Your use of these long-discredited canards, vile garbage that is used solely for the pupose of denying LGBT people their rights and protections under the law, to validate treating them as less than human, is appalling and absurd.”

    Oh, here we go with the usual blaming and shaming, pointing fingers, mounting on a high moral horse and putting your own words in my mouth.
    I say that children should not be sexualized and shouldn’t be encouraged to transition, and you are crying rivers here that “I validate treating LGBT people as less than human”? WTF?
    You are a liar – through and through. An abominable liar. Like all those progressives who use all that name-calling to intimidate the voices of reason and promote their vicious agenda, whether they do it unwittingly or not.

    Accepting LGBT rights will probably not lead to accepting pedophilia. But sexualizing kids, teaching schoolchildren to explore sex to better identify their gender, making them think that they “own” their bodies so that they have the right to do with them whatever they like, even without asking their parents, as well as encouraging them to get rid of the “oppression” of their parents who are not responsive enough to their “hurt” feelings – all of it WILL certainly promote pedophilia.

    I could make a bet that this is where the progressive ideology is taking us if the subject matter were not that tragic and it weren’t morally wrong to make such a bet. Actually I would be happy to lose it, however I see the threat of pedophilia normalization practically staring in our faces and am frustrated that few people see or speak about this danger.

    And the fact that you are not sensitive or observant enough to see this monstrosity doesn’t mean that others aren’t. By now it is clear that those who have fallen for “progressive” ideology prefer to live in a fantasy world of their own – with their separate “science” serving their interests, their self-serving “statistics”, their permanent world of victimhood which blurs their eyes so well that they don’t even notice that they are being heavily manipulated in the process.

    Their ideology of a constant search for oppressed victims will one day surely lead to a fight “for the rights of oppressed children” which will then be a direct road to accepting pedophilia.

    Schools and hospitals in some regions are already well on this road – they are working on sexualizing children by promoting various sex toys there and have already established a sort of school-to-clinic pipelines.
    For example:

    The largest children’s hospital in Chicago has created partnerships with local school districts to promote radical gender theory, “kink,” “BDSM,” and “trans-friendly” sex toys for children.

    According to insider documents, and a review of school district websites, Lurie Children’s Hospital has provided materials to school leaders promoting radical gender theory, trans activism, and sexually explicit materials in at least four Chicago-area public school systems: District 75, District 120, District 181, and District 204.

    The presentation encourages teachers and school administrators to support “gender diversity” in their districts, automatically “affirm” students who announce sexual transitions, and “communicate a non-binary understanding of gender” to children in the classrooms. The objective, as one version of the presentation suggests, is to disrupt the “entrenched [gender] norms in western society” and facilitate the transition to a more “gender creative” world.

    In at least two districts, the activists at Lurie Children’s Hospital also recommended that teachers offer a series of sexually explicit resources to children as young as 11.

    At the end of the “Beyond Binary” presentation circulated to teachers in District 75 and District 120, the hospital recommended a “Binder Exchange Program” to assist teenage girls in binding their breasts, a “kid friendly website for gender affirming gear,” which sells items such as artificial penis “packers” and female-to-male “trans masc pump[s],” and an “LGBTQ friendly sex shop for teens” that sells a range of “dildos,” “vibrators,” “harnesses,” “anal toys,” “trans-friendly toys,” and “kink & BDSM” equipment. The links include graphic descriptions of sadomasochism, bondage, pornography, and transgressive sex.

    The hospital also encourages school districts to designate special “Gender Support Coordinators” to help facilitate children’s sexual and gender transitions, which, under the recommended “confidentiality” policy, can be kept secret from parents and families. “District staff shall not disclose a student’s transgender identity,” the policy reads. “

    Beyond the lurid nature of some of the content, these documents reveal a profoundly disturbing collusion between radical gender activists in the medical system and the public school bureaucracy. They have laundered the promotion of queer theory, synthetic sexual identities, and child sex toys under the guise of “health and education,” devoting significant resources toward building what policy analyst Leor Sapir has called a school-to-clinic pipeline. The process is simple: children learn about and adopt “gender expansive” identities in schools, which then direct them to gender clinics that can provide puberty blockers, hormone therapies, surgeries, and drug regimens that often add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs over time.

    The cynical interpretation of this pipeline would suggest that it is driven by the profit motive. But another current is ideological: radical gender activists believe that they are in a struggle for liberation from the system of “cisheteropatriarchy”—and each “gender non-conforming” child is another tool in that fight.

    You shouldn’t have started me on this topic, really.
    Now I will be compelled to turn it into a post.

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  27. Oasisfan permalink
    September 1, 2022 12:45 pm

    Listen to me, very carefully. “Detransitioning” does not occur due to regret for more than 4 percent. Most of those who do actually ARE trans, but they detrainsition because they are being bullied and not accepted for who they are, so they choose to “fit in” rather than be their authentic selves. Detransitioning does not disprove transgenderism or gender dysphoria, it only further proves it.
    Children are not “mutiliating their bodies,” because children and teenagers under 18 are not leagally allowed gender-affirming surgeries. They have to undergo years of theraphy, confirmation, then trial transitions, or “social transitions” before the surgeries. That’s the way it’s worked for decades, especially in response to the few abuses that occurred, such as the case of David Reimer. And Reimer’s case does not disprove the condition or dysphoria, but only gives further validation for it.
    Accepting LGBT rights WILL NOT LEAD TO ACCEPTING PEDOPHILIA. That canard has been around for decades. It wasn’t true then, it’s not true now. Academics do not support NAMBLA. You’ll point out, “What about this one, what about that one?,’ but they do not speak for academia as a whole. NAMBLA has no public support, and it never will, because everyone understands how sickening it is.
    Your use of these long-discredited canards, vile garbage that is used solely for the pupose of denying LGBT people their rights and protections under the law, to validate treating them as less than human, is appalling and absurd. You can’t go around, proclaim yourself against prejudice, then go around and shout from the rooftops your support of these ideologies. Michael said it himself, “Don’t tell me you agree with me, when I caught you smacking dirt in my eye.”

    Michael’s constant attacks do not come from ideology or politics. They come from jealousy and petty rivalry. That’s all there is to it. Geffen did not attack Michael out of ideology, simply revenge.

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  28. September 1, 2022 8:46 am

    “Michael is not the first, nor unique, nor “the worst case of all time.” Tell that to African-Americans through the centuries. Tell that to Native Americans, stripped of their rightful lands and culture due to voracious greed for land. Tell that to James Byrd, Jr. . How dare you say Michael was “bullied like no one else?”

    I perfectly DARE. The 40+ years of a nasty and vicious campaign against Michael Jackson during his lifetime and thereafter can be properly assessed only in comparison with someone else who was similarly bullied and smeared for 40+ years and in the same period of time too and not several centuries ago. Or done today, but on a much lesser scale and for a much shorter time (like your favorite example of Johnny Depp).

    Considering the above is there a martyr similar to MJ?

    No, there are none.

    It would be also stretching the truth to compare what’s happening now with times immemorial when oppressing the poor was a more or less universal practice all around the world. And even the race card is irrelevant here – white Christians were enslaved by their fellow white Christians in Russia, for example, and for several centuries too when peasant families were sold and bought like cattle, tortured and murdered at a mere will of their masters (virtually each landlord had a torture cell in their cellar) until it finally led to a big civil war which seems to be never-ending here because it is deeply rooted in Russia’s history, alas. I bet that you’ve never even heard about it.

    Furthermore, the murder of certain people, however horrible that might be, cannot be compared with a never-ending murderous campaign that intended to torture and destroy a person slowly, for several decades, stripping him of his reputation, money, fame, health and eventually life. And which continues almost on the same scale even after his death.

    Why can’t they leave Michael Jackson alone even now?

    Because they still need him for their agenda.

    There will come a time when these same people who have driven Michael into the ground will make a U-turn and praise him and turn him into the poster boy of their movement, like they intended to do it from the very start, back in the late 1980s.

    There might come a time when the fight for their “rights” will finally allow them to endorse pedophilia (God forbid it from happening!). Which will of course be done under the “democratic” slogan of “children having the right to decide on their own” and “kids having the right to their bodies” as opposed to their parents’ will to “oppress” them by not allowing them to do this and that.

    The above agenda is already well in progress, as there are numerous so-called educational and medical agencies that work on sexualizing children from a very early age and help them to change their sex, mutilate their genitalia, etc.

    Teenagers are already allowed to dispose of their bodies the way they like without asking their parents, and this is done during the most sensitive period in teenagers’ life – their puberty when they are entangled in all sorts of psychological and physiological problems which fall off by themselves when they grow up.

    These teenagers do not understand what irreparable harm is done to them when they are widely encouraged to “transition” to another sex. Characteristically, the numerous stories of de-transitioners frustrated with the so-called “treatment” they underwent and imposed on them by ignorant and even criminal doctors, are barely reported in the press and are banned from various social media as “fake news” or for “hate” reasons.

    Actually, this transitioning as a relatively new stage in the so-called “progressive” agenda dotted all i’s and crossed all t’s for me as it pointed to the end goal of these people’s game – pedophilia. This is when kids, sexualized by them, will be encouraged to freely dispose of their bodies, and their parents will have no right to have a say in the process.

    Until then pedophiles under the guise of “progressives” will need Michael Jackson.

    His body, soul and name will be bloodied all over until they reach their goal, and then – surprise-surprise – one day they will announce him as a precursor of their movement and will rebuke others for doing him all the harm, though “all he did was love for children”.

    But for these people Love means Sex.

    I hope everyone here understands that Michael Jackson would have NEVER endorsed anything like that. His love for children was really LOVE for them – for their safety, for their innocent childhood, for their right to grow up healthy, and live in happy families. In short, for everything that is called the old-fashioned word ‘family values’ now.

    And certainly not for sex as they want you to think now.

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  29. August 31, 2022 8:06 pm

    “Don’t talk about what you don’t understand.”

    I will talk about things I have scrutinized and have come to understand. There isn’t a single word in my posts that was written offhand, just because it “seemed” to me that it was true.

    Each conclusion has hours and hours of examination and research behind it.

    I simply refuse to live in the world of stereotypes that are repeatedly imposed on us by various conformists who are only too happy to jump on the bandwagon and side with the current majority (and not the truth). Truth is a sort of God to me – call it obsession, if you like.

    And in order to learn the truth I try to test people only by what they do and not by what they say.

    Hence my conclusion: Trump and his family were and are supportive of Michael Jackson, and were much better friends to him than many others who only claimed to be ones. Trump was spontaneous, sometimes basking in the limelight of Michael’s fame, but honestly believing in his innocence – from seeing how he communicated with his own children and observing him in various situations – and was brave enough to say it openly and directly at the times when it was a highly unpopular opinion.

    If information contrary to the above surfaces I will examine it in full earnest and will certainly report it.

    This is especially shown when you uncritically parrot the likes of Ziegler, Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Candace Owens and Michelle Malkin. They are not your allies. They don’t actually care about Michael.

    Some of the people you mentioned are hardly known to me, like Michelle Malkin or Ben Shapiro, for example. But if they pointed out some true facts about MJ, and I mentioned them in my posts, it doesn’t matter to me whether they care about Michael Jackson or not.

    In fact, if a true fact is told about Michael by an enemy it is even more precious than the same thing said by an ally. Because an “ally” is supposed to side with your opinion by default, even if your opinion is false.

    The problem actually arises only when the opponents begin telling lies, which is mostly the case.

    This is something you seem to fail to understand. Truth is a separate matter from being an “ally”. Truth may be told even by an enemy – political or whatever. Truth is a sort of a bipartisan matter and cannot be monopolized by anyone.

    Actually, I don’t care by whom the truth is told as long as it is the truth.

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  30. Oasisfan permalink
    August 31, 2022 7:56 pm

    Actually, it doesn’t work for you, because you only know about it from one set of sources, the same sources that only validate your preselected worldview, and a number of places known to be peddlers of misinformation, especially as where Trump, conservatives, the media, Me Too, sexuality and the rest are concerned. You never even remotely consider yourself open any sources that stray from that opinion, and therefore your opinion is not well-rounded. Because most people get their opinions by diving across the entire spectrum and more lress finding an “average,” especially one that correlates both factually and with their personal factors.

    This is especially shown when you uncritically parrot the likes of Ziegler, Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Candace Owens and Michelle Malkin. They are not your allies. They don’t actually care about Michael. They just want to “own the libs”, and if the media was reporting the fact that Michael was innocent, these people would swerve and call Michael a disgusting, degenerate sexual criminal.
    So no, the fact that you don’t understand, especially when it’s working hard at this very moment to free you and your countrymen from under the yoke of Putin (YOU’RE WELCOME), only speaks volumes of how blinkered you are, and your unwillingness to admit your blind spots, or just admit when you don’t actually know things. The smartest and wisest person will admit how little they actually know.

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  31. August 31, 2022 7:04 pm

    “your inability to look beyond yourself and to actually understand America, its politics and its media has a disturbing tendency to make people dismiss you out of hand. You have to learn to actually really grasp it to know what you’re talking of, especially for people to wake up and see the truth about David Geffen. Otherwise, you’ll only be seen as another Q-Anon conspiracy nut.”- Oasisfan

    Some things are better seen from afar.

    Especially when a person you consider to be ignorant about America constantly follows and analyses what she sees, hears and reads about it. Not that it was my life-long interest – not at all. But when I started looking into the smear campaign against Michael Jackson in 2009 following his untimely death, I was sort of caught up in this whirl and my investigation is still taking me down what turned out to be a very, very, very deep rabbit hole.

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  32. August 31, 2022 6:46 pm

    Furthermore, Helena, you have a tendency to have an incredibly skewed and credulous viewpoint about things. Take John Ziegler, who you credit simply because he made a series of podcasts attacking Leaving Neverland. Did you know Ziegler is also defending Jerry Sandusky, someone who was caught dead to rights and firmly established as a p-le?

    Unfortunately I do. I did hear him speak in defense of Sandusky. Ziegler claims that he studied that case inside out and stumbled upon some inconsistencies which are unknown to the general public.

    I did not study that case, so cannot pass judgment on it, but my view on the matter is that one person cannot know all things on Earth, so some gaps and even mistakes can be made even by most well-meaning and knowledgeable people. In this particular case I simply don’t know whose failure it is – mine or Ziegler’s.

    The reason why I refer to Ziegler’s comments about “Leaving Neverland” is because he asks perfectly legitimate questions about that fake documentary, and this I know FOR SURE.

    For example, he wondered why Dan Reed and the media in general never once mentioned (until Ziegler brought it up) that Michael Jackson had brought together his niece Brandi Jackson and Wade Robson though he was allegedly “anti-women” and the two had a more than 7-year long relationship after that.

    They broke up when Brandi found that Robson was cheating on her with Britney Spears. Moreover, Robson was also the reason for Britney’s break-up with Justine Timberlake (“Cry me a river” song) and Ziegler asked a perfectly legitimate question why so juicy a story was not reported by the press and all of it ended hush-hush.

    It was indeed strange, but not for those who realized that since these facts didn’t fit the agenda of those who orchestrated the smear campaign against Michael, it was considered not worthy of report and therefore was effectively swept under the rug.

    Was Ziegler right in asking these questions? Absolutely. But if he was right in this matter it does not mean that he is right in other matters, as – I repeat – no person is an icon who knows everything. He just pointed out that the media makes a mountain out of a molehill when it fits their agenda, but it doesn’t notice an elephant in the room when it doesn’t.

    And this is perfectly true.

    P.S. Incidentally, Dan Reed’s excuse not to mention Brandi Jackson is that “she wasn’t present when the sexual abuse occurred” which is an extremely lame explanation. Dan Reed wasn’t there either when that “abuse” allegedly occurred, however he has the cheek to claim it to be a “fact”.

    Here is a bit of Brandi Jackson’s story reported by Billboard – without any mention of Britney Spears, of course: https://www.billboard.com/music/features/brandi-jackson-on-leaving-neverland-and-wade-robson-relationship-8503375/

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  33. Oasisfan permalink
    August 31, 2022 6:36 pm

    Furthermore, Carter Page and Liza Strzok spent more time investigaing Hillary’s emails than Trump. The entire FBI spent more time on Hillary than Trump. James Comey spent more time on Hillary than Trump.

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  34. Oasisfan permalink
    August 31, 2022 6:33 pm

    The Steele report was funded and started by Jeb Bush, so it started with Republicans, not Democrats. Much of the Steele dossier was actually verified, but the media pretends otherwise. Not just Fox News, but even the likes of supposedly “liberal” institutions like ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and on and on. Because Rupert Murdoch and his people have their thumb on the scale, they work the refs and get coverage that’s fawning and adoring. The press has repeated Trump’s lies ad nauseam without saying that they’re lies, because they’re afraid of what MAGAts will sai if their feelings are hurt.

    The “liberal media” is a canard spun by the late Roger Ailes and by Nixon and his campaign, and they used the Big Lie to get their way. And Rupert Murdoch took that and ran with it, especially across North America, Great Britain, Europe, and his native Australia. He has been the biggest threat to journalism in the entire world.

    Many of Steele’s claims were verified, and people rely on technicalities to say it’s “discredited.” Like the Michael Cohen Prague meeting. So it wasn’t technically inside Prague, but it was on the outskirts, very close to it.

    Furthermore, the Republicans totally politicized everything. Lindsey Graham, Bill Barr, Mitch McConnell and their ilk completely just flat-out lied about the investigation and about the Mueller investigation, and no one challenged their falsehoods. Because “lies run sprints but truth runs marathons.” And that’s the way America has been since the Regan era, to overcorrect for the “excesses” of Watergate, despite the fact they proved that Nixon was a crook and running a criminal enterprise from the White House. And Trump has gone further than that, given not just his inroads into Russia from the ’80s onward, but the fact that he has done business with the oligarchs to buy his condo properties since the mid-2000s. There are many notable Trump-Russia links, especially in the book “American Kompromat.” And to show the real Trump, look at the books by Wayne Barrett, Henry Hurt III, Michael D’Antonio, Timothy L. O’Brien, David Cay Johnston and Jack O’Connell.

    Furthermore, many reporters who’ve reported truthfully on all this have been punished just for getting too close, such as when ABC censured Brian Ross. His story about a sword being presented was completely true, but Disney-ABC buckled to pressure from Trump’s Mafia tactics.

    You want to know who’s really being lied about by the press? It’s the Democrats. It’s people like the Clintons, Al Gore, Obama and Biden. They’ve always been treated quite harshly and without any benefit of the doubt. You would know, if you actually investigated, especially the works of people like Eric Boehlert, Eric Alterman, David Brock, Joe Conason with Gene Lyons, Sidney Blumenthal, and the work of Media Matters for America and Fairness in Accuracy and Research.

    Don’t talk about what you don’t understand.

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  35. August 31, 2022 5:49 pm

    Oh-oh-oh, Oasisfan… What you are telling me about Trump is something that I eagerly believed during the term of his office and even some time after that. But only until I started asking questions and comparing what was alleged about him with his actual actions.

    My lines of interest were 1) his supposedly close connections with Russia and the effect his policies made on the world situation in general 2) his support or non-support of Michael Jackson and 3) a bit about his lifestyle, character, etc. – not much, but mostly with regard to Epstein.

    And when I really began to look the sheaves of bias and downright lies about Trump began to fall off one after another. For example, Trump did indeed have some sort of friendship with Epstein but only until he heard about Epstein’s escapades for the first time after which he firmly rejected this person and never associated with him. And YOU KNOW it, though you are telling me otherwise! Trying to fool me?

    Now what about his alleged ties with Mr. Putin? Oh, how readily I believed that story when it was hammered into my brains from every media outlet possible! Beginning with the so-called “gold rain” allegations all the way through the Steele dossier and up to Mueller’s report which left me completely puzzled as all of a sudden nothing was actually found against Trump.

    Instead, what was really found is that the Steele dossier was based on the inventions of a certain Russian agent whose activities had been investigated by the FBI several years prior to that and who had been actually found to be a threat to national security – the fact the FBI failed to report to Congress during the investigation. Not to mention that the Steele dossier was ordered and paid #1mln for by the US Democrats.

    See the conclusions of the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham who obtained a declassified summary from the FBI:

    First, the primary source for the Steele dossier was likely a Russian agent. Second, the Primary Sub-source was suspected by the FBI in 2009 of being a Russian agent, and there had been an active counterintelligence investigation of this individual. Third, the information provided shows that in December 2016, the FBI knew of the previous counterintelligence investigation of the Primary Sub-source and the source’s ties to Russian intelligence services. However, they failed to inform the FISA Court. In fact, not only did they not inform the FISA Court the Primary Sub-source was likely a Russian agent, they continued to use the Steele dossier to seek warrants against Carter Page. They told the court the Primary Sub-source was truthful and cooperative.”

    “It’s stunning to be told that the single individual who provided information to Christopher Steele for the Russian dossier used by the FBI on four occasions to obtain a warrant on Carter Page, an American citizen, was a suspected Russian agent years before the preparation of the dossier.…A small group of individuals in the Department of Justice and FBI should be held accountable for this fraud against the court. It is up to the committee and Congress to reform the system so it never happens again.”
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/chairman-graham-releases-newly-declassified-summary-indicating-fbi-knew-steele-dossier-source-was-likely-a-russian-agent-had-been-under-us-counterintelligence-investigation

    In fact, YOU KNOW that nothing incriminating Trump was found as a result of many years of investigating his alleged ties with the Russian regime and again, you dare repeat these lies to me here? The person who took those allegations very close to heart as I am actually a Russian regime critic (and not a Ukrainian one as you think me to be).

    The reason why the Western media had been infiltrated with this disinformation about Trump?

    It was another of those covert special operations by our security service in order to discredit him as President, spread discord in the USA, and undermine the country this way. They would spread rumors that they have Trump in their pocket, so that the world and its leaders become extremely wary of him, and all of us swallowed it hook, line and sinker – including me, alas.

    But even though some people still persist in their fallacies no matter what, just out of sheer hate for the person, I prefer to correct my mistakes when I see them, remembering the words of another of your presidents (Abraham Lincoln):

    “You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

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  36. Mechanical Animals permalink
    August 31, 2022 4:25 pm

    I think you can tell the last user that commented made a mistake and posted it twice because of the comment apparently not going through, so you can read only the top half or bottom of it, whichever you prefer.

    But the point is very clear. Don’t just assume that everyone who says “Michael is innocent” does so from a place of good faith, or that they actually believe it. Odds are neither Trump nor Razorfist actually believe in Michael’s innocence, they just want to be contrarian.

    Most of the attacks on Michael don’t come from a political standpoint, they just come from “tall poppy syndrome.” When a poppy grows too tall in the field, cut it off and down to size. Someone gets too big, shove them back down. That’s the way the press has often been operating all around the world. Build them up and them tear them down, because that’s what they pride themselves on.

    Michael is not the first, nor unique, nor “the worst case of all time.” Elvis was a threat to society’s staid, straitlaced norms for his dynamism, then lampooned and ridiculed solely for being human, and fallible…and fat. Jim Morrison was chased as a dynamic sex symbol, then was seen as a drunken buffoon who was alleged to have exposed his genitals onstage (which he didn’t). Only after his death was he seen as a poet of incredible lyrics. Freddie Mercury was hounded throughout his life over his personal life, sexual orientation, and health, and the press were absolutely vicious and parasitic. Only in death could he be seen in the proper way.

    And it continues nowadays. Look at what happened to Johnny Depp, as this man described by everyone as kind, compassionate, unselfish and creative was demonized as a violent sociopath who attacks and degrades women, and being shamed as a total disaster just for “being an addict,” turning addiction from an illness back into a moral failing. Johnny went through hell and back to clear his name, and came through it on the other end, but like with Michael, there are those who don’t want to accept it. And look at Johnny’s good friend Marilyn Manson, who was attacked in the ‘90s as the great boogeyman, declared to be responsible for tragedies like Columbine. And because of false allegations, people are going around saying, “Of course he’d attack and rape women, look at his stage persona!” But I have a feeling you’d agree with that, and call him blasphemous and an outrage to decency, completely forgetting how Michael’s media persona was nothing to do with Michael himself. The hypocrisy is certainly stunning.

    How dare you say Michael was “bullied like no one else?” Tell that to the Little Rock Nine. Tell that to African-Americans through the centuries. Tell that to Native Americans, stripped of their rightful lands and culture due to voracious greed for land. Tell that to James Byrd, Jr., who was hooked to a pickup truck and dragged two miles down a road in Texas until his body flew apart. Tell that to Matthew Shepard, stripped naked, beat and pummeled to the point of unconsciousness, his body wrapped around a barbed wire fence, all simply because he was gay. Tell that to Benny Hermansen, the very individual that Michael dedicated Invincible to. How dare you declare Michael to have suffered more than them.

    There were many things Michael was, but one thing he absolutely was not was a martyr. He would never want to be seen that way, and declare to you, “I’m just a man.” And turning Michael into a symbol to appropriate to rage against “people that are corrupting our youth and values” completely defeats and destroys everything he worked for.

    But it also demonstrates a fundamental flaw. You rage and scream about America, but you don’t actually understand it. You don’t know America’s history, politics, culture, economics or influence, because you haven’t bothered to actually examine it from all points of view, including those of the “leftist” boogeymen. You’ve never looked at the in depth studies and academic works on all it, certainly those that prove that the “liberal media” is largely a figment of imagination drummed up by Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch. And because of that, all your amazing research and valid points, especially those about Geffen, will be completely dismissed.

    You want to have even an iota of a better understanding of it all? Dive into Marilyn Manson’s work sometime. See how his image is about irony, how it’s all just theatrical exaggeration, and the message he’s actually saying. After all, he famously said, “Jesus was the first rock star.”

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  37. Oasisfan permalink
    August 31, 2022 12:53 pm

    Trump was no friend to Michael. Michael certainly thought of him as a friend, and did what he could to be a friend to Trump. But here’s the thing. Trump doesn’t have friends and is not a friend to anyone. Anything he ever does is purely transactional. He doesn’t actually care about people, just about how they can make him money or attention.

    Look at how he treated Mike Tyson. He helps push Tyson into bad advice, cheats on Ivana by sleeping with Tyson’s then wife Robin Givens, and after he goes down in Tokyo in 1990, immediately abandons him when being asked if he’ll go to the ex-champ’s dressing room, saying, “Forget it. He’s a loser. I don’t want him to rub off on me.” This is not the actions of a true friend. Especially when Trump went to Tokyo in the first place, falsely claiming that Michael would be coming with him, so he could get a lot of paparazzi. They came, but kept asking “Where’s Michael? Where’s Michael?” And Trump lamely says, “He couldn’t make it.,” and they immediately scatter and pay him no attention.

    Let’s not also forget that Trump has no actual business success of his own, but only because of his father’s connections, got himself so in over his head making deals that would lose him money, and bankrupted casinos four times in a row. Someone who is credibly accused of sexual assault, including raping Ivana because he blamed her for the pain he felt using her facelift specialist (and Michael’s post-burn doctor) Steven Hoefflin for his liposuction and scalp reduction, despite the fact he went in and was just an idiot who didn’t realize it was going to hurt. But he takes that anger out on his wife and rips her hair out. Not to mention his lifelong friendship with both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, saying that “Jeffrey likes them on the young side,” of participating in a gang rape of a teenager with Epstein at the same time, and of saying of Maxwell, “I wish her well.” And this is the hill you’re trying to defend on and call Trump a real friend?

    Trump is only doing all this to be contrarian, no more and no less. Just like Razorfist, who is similarly despicable. If the media perception was what it should be, that Michael was innocent, Trump and Razorfist would be screaming “This guy is guilty, he’s a total creep who should’ve been locked away,” solely just to “own the libs.” And you can be sure that when Michael would leave, Trump would go around and just declare, “What a freak. I hate that clown so much, but I only need him to get press.” And their friendship is “unlikely” simply because Trump is utterly amoral, without conscience, without remorse, and an utter narcissist. Michael was a giving spirit who lived his life for others. These are two completely different individuals, but Michael never really knew the real Trump, he only knew what Trump presented himself as to him. If Michael had actually known the real Trump, he would rightly be absolutely appalled.

    Regarding the press “lying” about Trump: the truth is different. The press has been incredibly compliant and eager to have access on Trump and haven’t been talking about his crimes honestly. They don’t call his lies for what they are, lies, and don’t call his crimes for what they are, crimes, because they don’t want to be called “liberal media” by the Murdoch organs and outfits. So they go into “both sides” do it rhetoric and demonize Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Obama and everyone, and are more vicious and hard on them for anything than Trump has ever gotten. Even for fomenting insurrection against a legitimate transfer of power. Obama got shellacking for WEARING A TAN SUIT, for crying out loud. Al Gore got attacked in 2000…for SIGHING, that’s right, SIGHING, during the presidential debates. And the press made lots of fawning reports about “Trump voters in diners”, but did nothing in return about Democrats. That’s the real truth about American corporate media. Republicans get off easy, until they’re absolutely forced to address things, and then only very, very timidly, while putting Democrats on full blast for having a hair out of place.

    And let’s not forget the way Trump completely sucked up to Vladimir Putin and helped build up the circumstances to which you now find yourself. Trump loves authoritarian dictators and strongmen, and slobbered all over Putin during his four years. He basically did nothing but give in to Russia. Even if Russia had never tipped the scales to get Trump elected (which they did, because Trump’s a useful idiot to Putin), the fact that Trump found himself so buddy-buddy with Putin and encouraged his revanchist viewpoint and military aggression should anger you. Trump’s the reason you find yourself threatened by Russia right now, because he enabled Putin so thoroughly.

    Your idea that “Michael would be cancelled for everything for being God-fearing and all of that,” is nothing but nonsense. Many God-fearing people with similar ideas about family have been received well by both sides. Chris Pratt, Gary Sinise, President Jimmy Carter and his wife Rosalynn, to name just a few. Need I also mention how both Martin Scorsese and Kevin Smith are devout Catholics? Or the fact that shock rocker Alice Cooper is a Sunday school teacher when not performing? So no, it’s not Michael’s viewpoints that would be under attack. It’s all solely because the lies the media peddled about him for decades, claims that have nothing to do with Michael the person. No more and no less.

    Furthermore, the media doesn’t ACTUALLY believe in Me Too or any of that. The media, which is thoroughly centrist, corporate and dedicated to the status quo, is shaking in their boots about harassment, because THEIR ways of life are under attack. They seek nothing but the almighty dollar and will use whatever it takes to get it. Right now, claiming to support women’s rights and take claims of sexual assault seriously is what gets them there, but they don’t give a damn. Never have. But as long as bashing celebrities as finished, especially under claims as false as those against Michael’s, are popular, that’s what they’ll seek. Especially with what is happening now with the likes Johnny Depp, Marilyn Manson, James Franco and Armie Hammer.

    Furthermore, Helena, you have a tendency to have an incredibly skewed and credulous viewpoint about things. Take John Ziegler, who you credit simply because he made a series of podcasts attacking Leaving Neverland. Did you know Ziegler is also defending Jerry Sandusky, someone who was caught dead to rights and firmly established as a p-le? That he’s defending this monster? And he’s doing all this not to actually vindicate Sandusky, but actually to absolve Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, Tim Curley and Graham Spanier? That Ziegler has doxxed and threatened Sandusky’s victims, including Aaron Fisher, aka “Victim 1”, and his mother, Dawn Daniels? Calling them “shameless and obscene liars who crafted a narrative for money under recovered memories,” despite the fact that recovered memory therapy was never used for any of the young men violated by Sandusky? But Ziegler supports Michael’s innocence, so that’s what matters, right? That’s all that matters to you, that someone is on the “right” side regarding Michael, regardless of their sins and own skeletons in their closet.

    Now I understand “allies of convenience” and all that, but you have to have standards and draw the line where needed.

    I certainly don’t think of you as a horrible person, and I’m praying with the rest of the world that you and your fellow Ukrainians will emerge from this disaster all right, especially all the brave souls in Kyiv. But your inability to look beyond yourself and to actually understand America, its politics and its media has a disturbing tendency to make people dismiss you out of hand. You have to learn to actually really grasp it to know what you’re talking of, especially for people to wake up and see the truth about David Geffen. Otherwise, you’ll only be seen as another Q-Anon conspiracy nut.
    Trump was no friend to Michael. Michael certainly thought of him as a friend, and did what he could to be a friend to Trump. But here’s the thing. Trump doesn’t have friends and is not a friend to anyone. Anything he ever does is purely transactional. He doesn’t actually care about people, just about how they can make him money or attention.

    Look at how he treated Mike Tyson. He helps push Tyson into bad advice, cheats on Ivana by sleeping with Tyson’s then wife Robin Givens, and after he goes down in Tokyo in 1990, immediately abandons him when being asked if he’ll go to the ex-champ’s dressing room, saying, “Forget it. He’s a loser. I don’t want him to rub off on me.” This is not the actions of a true friend. Especially when Trump went to Tokyo in the first place, falsely claiming that Michael would be coming with him, so he could get a lot of paparazzi. They came, but kept asking “Where’s Michael? Where’s Michael?” And Trump lamely says, “He couldn’t make it.,” and they immediately scatter and pay him no attention.

    Let’s not also forget that Trump has no actual business success of his own, but only because of his father’s connections, got himself so in over his head making deals that would lose him money, and bankrupted casinos four times in a row. Someone who is credibly accused of sexual assault, including raping Ivana because he blamed her for the pain he felt using her facelift specialist (and Michael’s post-burn doctor) Steven Hoefflin for his liposuction and scalp reduction, despite the fact he went in and was just an idiot who didn’t realize it was going to hurt. But he takes that anger out on his wife and rips her hair out. Not to mention his lifelong friendship with both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, saying that “Jeffrey likes them on the young side,” of participating in a gang rape of a teenager with Epstein at the same time, and of saying of Maxwell, “I wish her well.” And this is the hill you’re trying to defend on and call Trump a real friend?

    Trump is only doing all this to be contrarian, no more and no less. Just like Razorfist, who is similarly despicable. If the media perception was what it should be, that Michael was innocent, Trump and Razorfist would be screaming “This guy is guilty, he’s a total creep who should’ve been locked away,” solely just to “own the libs.” And you can be sure that when Michael would leave, Trump would go around and just declare, “What a freak. I hate that clown so much, but I only need him to get press.” And their friendship is “unlikely” simply because Trump is utterly amoral, without conscience, without remorse, and an utter narcissist. Michael was a giving spirit who lived his life for others. These are two completely different individuals, but Michael never really knew the real Trump, he only knew what Trump presented himself as to him. If Michael had actually known the real Trump, he would rightly be absolutely appalled.

    Regarding the press “lying” about Trump: the truth is different. The press has been incredibly compliant and eager to have access on Trump and haven’t been talking about his crimes honestly. They don’t call his lies for what they are, lies, and don’t call his crimes for what they are, crimes, because they don’t want to be called “liberal media” by the Murdoch organs and outfits. So they go into “both sides” do it rhetoric and demonize Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Obama and everyone, and are more vicious and hard on them for anything than Trump has ever gotten. Even for fomenting insurrection against a legitimate transfer of power. Obama got shellacking for WEARING A TAN SUIT, for crying out loud. Al Gore got attacked in 2000…for SIGHING, that’s right, SIGHING, during the presidential debates. And the press made lots of fawning reports about “Trump voters in diners”, but did nothing in return about Democrats. That’s the real truth about American corporate media. Republicans get off easy, until they’re absolutely forced to address things, and then only very, very timidly, while putting Democrats on full blast for having a hair out of place.

    And let’s not forget the way Trump completely sucked up to Vladimir Putin and helped build up the circumstances to which you now find yourself. Trump loves authoritarian dictators and strongmen, and slobbered all over Putin during his four years. He basically did nothing but give in to Russia. Even if Russia had never tipped the scales to get Trump elected (which they did, because Trump’s a useful idiot to Putin), the fact that Trump found himself so buddy-buddy with Putin and encouraged his revanchist viewpoint and military aggression should anger you. Trump’s the reason you find yourself threatened by Russia right now, because he enabled Putin so thoroughly.

    Your idea that “Michael would be cancelled for everything for being God-fearing and all of that,” is nothing but nonsense. Many God-fearing people with similar ideas about family have been received well by both sides. Chris Pratt, Gary Sinise, President Jimmy Carter and his wife Rosalynn, to name just a few. Need I also mention how both Martin Scorsese and Kevin Smith are devout Catholics? Or the fact that shock rocker Alice Cooper is a Sunday school teacher when not performing? So no, it’s not Michael’s viewpoints that would be under attack. It’s all solely because the lies the media peddled about him for decades, claims that have nothing to do with Michael the person. No more and no less.

    Furthermore, the media doesn’t ACTUALLY believe in Me Too or any of that. The media, which is thoroughly centrist, corporate and dedicated to the status quo, is shaking in their boots about harassment, because THEIR ways of life are under attack. They seek nothing but the almighty dollar and will use whatever it takes to get it. Right now, claiming to support women’s rights and take claims of sexual assault seriously is what gets them there, but they don’t give a damn. Never have. But as long as bashing celebrities as finished, especially under claims as false as those against Michael’s, are popular, that’s what they’ll seek. Especially with what is happening now with the likes Johnny Depp, Marilyn Manson, James Franco and Armie Hammer.

    Furthermore, Helena, you have a tendency to have an incredibly skewed and credulous viewpoint about things. Take John Ziegler, who you credit simply because he made a series of podcasts attacking Leaving Neverland. Did you know Ziegler is also defending Jerry Sandusky, someone who was caught dead to rights and firmly established as a p-le? That he’s defending this monster? And he’s doing all this not to actually vindicate Sandusky, but actually to absolve Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, Tim Curley and Graham Spanier? That Ziegler has doxxed and threatened Sandusky’s victims, including Aaron Fisher, aka “Victim 1”, and his mother, Dawn Daniels? Calling them “shameless and obscene liars who crafted a narrative for money under recovered memories,” despite the fact that recovered memory therapy was never used for any of the young men violated by Sandusky? But Ziegler supports Michael’s innocence, so that’s what matters, right? That’s all that matters to you, that someone is on the “right” side regarding Michael, regardless of their sins and own skeletons in their closet.

    Now I understand “allies of convenience” and all that, but you have to have standards and draw the line where needed.

    I certainly don’t think of you as a horrible person, and I’m praying with the rest of the world that you and your fellow Ukrainians will emerge from this disaster all right, especially all the brave souls in Kyiv. But your inability to look beyond yourself and to actually understand America, its politics and its media has a disturbing tendency to make people dismiss you out of hand. You have to learn to actually really grasp it to know what you’re talking of, especially for people to wake up and see the truth about David Geffen. Otherwise, you’ll only be seen as another Q-Anon conspiracy nut.

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  38. August 30, 2022 4:47 pm

    “We only have to look at those condeming Michael (and Trump) to see where much of this hostility is coming from. From Dan Reed and those who support him in the UK, to the US media, almost all detractors espouse a liberal left wing ideology that sits uncomfortably alongside Jackson’s God-fearing family values stance that speaks of taking care of rather than indoctrinating our children, upholding the family as a strong and stable unit and, heaven forbid, looking to God for our answers.” – Dee

    Absolutely. Whatever “progressive” subject you take Michael would be regarded as a conservative dinosaur now and would be “cancelled” over and over again.

    Remember his life-long focus on family values (all those family-oriented parks he wanted to build which the media ridiculed) and the need to strengthen the family and not deconstruct it (he even wanted to have least one day a week devoted wholly to interaction between parents and their children).

    Remember his insistence that youngsters should be in college instead of forming street gangs (“Bad”, “Beat it”) and his abhorrence with Madonna who wanted to take him to a strip bar with drag queens (“I am not going to a strip bar.” With guys who cross-dress!”).

    Remember his exasperation with “abortion papers signed against the words of God” (“What about love? I’d like to have my child!”), and even a little thing like his refusal to Madonna to dress like a girl in the Closet video – the reason why their cooperation over it fell apart (according to Babyface record producer Michael ranted that he would never ever do that).

    In short, I really think that if they hadn’t got rid of Michael the world’s cultural environment would be totally different now. He was a big stumbling block to the agenda of all those “progressives”, so they joined forces to lie, smear and bring him down to be able to further “progress”.

    And you can’t even say that Michael was left-wing or right-wing – he was just being reasonable, God-abiding and was on his own!

    In my opinion, this ability to go against the trend was what made Michael and Trump so close to each other. Trump is also a black sheep among all those professional politicians on both sides of the spectrum, so whenever they would routinely “express concern” over some atrocity he would quickly handle the matter and – speaking allegorically – send a warship or two and decide the problem once and for all. Or suddenly bring about a peace deal between those who couldn’t agree with each other for decades.

    For those whose political lifestyle is never-ending doublespeak this was outrageous behavior. But for those able of atrocities this was a certain level of unpredictability and directness which restrained them from further actions (what if he?), hence they sat quiet and there wasn’t a single war during his term. However doublespeak and predictability have won, and now we find ourselves where we actually are.

    As to the scope of smear campaigns against both, I thought that I would never see anything like they did to Michael Jackson. But I was wrong – they are repeating it.

    And yes, Trump was a better friend to Michael Jackson than most of his so-called “friends” were. For this alone he deserves very much respect.

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  39. Dee permalink
    August 30, 2022 6:59 am

    There are so many parallels between what happened to Michael and what is happening to Trump. Also, the pair were absolutely and unequivocally very good friends. In fact, Trump was a better friend to Michael during his darkest days than most of his so-called ‘friends’ out there. But there are people who do not want to believe it, simply because they have the same blinkers on as those who refused – and still refuse – to see Michael’s innocence.

    We only have to look at those condeming Michael (and Trump) to see where much of this hostility is coming from. From Dan Reed and those who support him in the UK, to the US media, almost all detractors espouse a liberal left wing ideology that sits uncomfortably alongside Jackson’s God-fearing family values stance that speaks of taking care of rather than indoctrinating our children, upholding the family as a strong and stable unit and, heaven forbid, looking to God for our answers.

    Hate-filled hearts love to have a figure to hate. Once Michael was gone, it wasn’t long before the media needed another target. Someone powerful with influence whose message they hate as equally as they hated Michael’s would do just nicely. Enter Trump.

    Same harassment and hounding is going on today. Just a different man.

    Thank you for your incredible work and God bless you for always researching and presenting the truth, however unpalpable that might be to some.

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