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“Father, Forgive Them; They Don’t Know What They Are Doing…”

The musical piece provided here is by Johann Sebastian Bach and is called “Air”. It is accompanied by a picture of  Moses who is desperate with his people who started praying to a Golden Calf while he was away carrying God’s commandments to them. The picture and music are dedicated to all those who also pray to the Golden Calf and are ready to lie about an innocent human being like Michael Jackson for money, fame, career or other reasons. 

Jean-Honore Fragonard 1752. Jeroboam-offering-sacrifice-for-the-idol

[the original video had to be replaced as  it disappeared from Youtube, but you get the idea]

November 21, 2009

It is a complete shame I hadn’t been among Michael Jackson’s supporters before he died. When all those awful allegations against him reached my part of the world in mid-90s I couldn’t withstand the general wave of mistrust towards Michael and half-believed the horrible rumors about him saying to myself that “there couldn’t be smoke without fire” and “if so many people think that way they can’t be all wrong about it”.

However the thought of a nice guy like that being probably involved in such a terrible crime was so uneasy and disquieting that I preferred to thrust it into the very back of my mind and forget about the whole thing until after he died.

The news of Michael’s death brought a sudden feeling of sadness and a renewed interest in his personality while the strange circumstances of his tragic demise made me read and watch whatever there was to read and watch about him at the time. The result of this little research was quite unexpected – the more Michael’s videos I saw and the more of his speeches and interviews I read, the surer was a terrible guess creeping into my mind – he was completely innocent…. to an extent we can’t even imagine…. how could we be that wrong …. what a shame on all our heads…. it’s almost like some 2000 years ago with that old story repeating itself……nothing changed, nothing learned…. is there a way to make up for it?

The feeling of guilt, remorse and a terrible harm which cannot be undone has gripped me every since and is unbearable to live with. So now you know the reason for this blog – these posts are just a humble attempt to repent and make up for all the injustice I personally did to Michael Jackson by half-believing those nonstop lies about him told by the bloodthirsty, money-craving, small-minded and completely delirious media about the man whom they did not take the trouble to really know and whose little finger they are not worthy of.

Besides the attempt to dissect lies about Michael and clear his name of all the dirt thrown at him in such a ruthless and shameless way this blog is also a kind of Michael’s memorabilia with all sorts of facts, evidences, testimonies, observations and opinions about him collected from various sources and provided by different people many of whom have come to appreciate this pure and innocent guy only after his untimely death.

The man we learned to admire and miss so late in our lives.

Vindicatemj (Helena),  

Russia (though these days I am embarrassed to admit it)

P.S.

Besides my posts you will find here contributions from several other authors who come from various countries and wrote here at different periods of time:                          

  • Deborah Ffrench (UK)
  • Lacienegasmiles   (US)       
  • Lisa (US)
  • Lynande51  (US)                                                                    
  • Markoftheancients, MOA  (Sweden)               
  • Mona  (Romania)    
  • Sanemjfan   (US)    
  • Sara101mj  (US)     
  • Susannerb   (Germany)          
  • Thetis7  (Greece)       

March 14, 2014 update

A short announcement:

Susannerb (Germany) is now my co-administrator of this blog. She is very much welcome to write for it, but my main request to her is to serve as a sort of a custodian of the blog just in case I am unable to write here any more.

I am sure that she is very much capable of running the blog following the principles of justice, search for the truth and selflessness which have been guiding us all along.

March 04, 2019 update

The Interviews of VMJ bloggers with the THE NEW YORK TIMES

Recently Joe Coscarelli, the music reporter at the NY Times contacted the admins of this blog to say that he was interested in getting the perspective of MJ’s “most loyal fans, supporters and historians” on the documentary which none of us had yet seen by that moment.

Today, the day after the documentary has gone on air on HBO, Joe Coscarelli’s article has been published, quoting us together with other Michael Jackson’s advocates with whom the correspondent has evidently been in touch.

Since most of these bloggers are Americans I presume that their interviews must have been done over the phone, while we (Susanne and I) are foreigners who are absolutely not sure of our English speaking skills and this is why we submitted our replies in writing.

We certainly never expected the NY Times to give a full coverage of our ideas on the present situation around Michael Jackson, so for the readers of this blog to really know what “truthers” like us think about it,  here are our written answers to Joe Coscarelli sent several days ago and a fraction of them in this piece  in the New York Times:

Our answers to Joe Coscarelli of the New York Times

(Susanne Baur is welcome to post hers as she sees fit)

Joe Coscarelli:  How long have you been a fan of Michael Jackson? Can you tell me a little bit about how your fandom started and developed?

Elena Ovchinnikova:  I am not a fan, at least in the traditional meaning of the word. Like many others I loved Michael Jackson’s music and dance, but we lived behind the Iron Curtain and had little access to western music, so the peak of Michael Jackson’s fame and success somehow bypassed me.

And in the 90s when the borders opened his image was already heavily tarnished by the allegations.

The thought that so nice a guy could be involved in the heinous crimes that were alleged about him was so revolting that I shifted it into the back of my mind to never think about it again – until the moment he died.

I clearly remember that when he came to Moscow in 1993 I didn’t have the slightest desire to see him in concert or even try to buy a ticket. Unfortunately, like many others I thought that there could no smoke without fire and that “all people can’t be wrong about it”. Listening to his music while half-believing all those rumors was impossible for me, so at the time I preferred to simply shut it out of my mind.

Susanne Baur: I don’t call myself a fan, because the word has a too negative connotation of adoration and worship, which is not my approach to Michael Jackson at all. I see myself as an advocate who came to study Michael Jackson after his death – I see him rather as a civil rights case who doesn’t get the justice he deserves.

JC: When did you begin talking and working with other Michael fans online?

EO: Again, I never really “worked” with Michael’s fans. His death was a shock to everyone as he died so young, so even in my far-away part of the world people tried to learn more about the circumstances of his death. And I was no exception. Initially I read everything there was to read about him on the web, which was mostly the media screaming about tons of narcotics in his body (later found to be a very big lie) and some people even celebrating his death. Among other things that came my way was also a Michael Jackson forum where the mood was completely different and more in line with the sudden sadness that fell upon me.

This is probably where I read personal accounts of people who knew and met MJ, as well as some documents. It seems that it was mostly Michael’s interviews that opened up to me a different Michael Jackson, a mega pop star who spoke about things I didn’t expect him to even bother about. A shy and deep thinking man, who speaks about God and is constantly on the road of soul-searching and hoping that human nature will change for the better, and slightly naïve in thinking that it is indeed possible. What I saw was a very clean way of thinking, found in a man in whom I expected it least of all.

However the main problem of the allegations was still there. To make sure that Michael was incapable of what he was accused, the allegations had to undergo the harshest scrutiny possible and this is when I delved into the subject really deep. And over here another surprise was awaiting me – it turned out that the evidence of Michael Jackson’s innocence (documents, witnesses’ accounts, etc.) was all there in the open lying under everyone’s feet for anyone to pick it up, only no one was willing to. Michael Jackson’s fans seemed to know about his innocence without any proof on my part and refused to even discuss what they rightfully called “that filth”. Most of them said that they had been there long before me and didn’t need any more proof than his full acquittal at the 2005 trial, their first-hand knowledge of him and the like.

I argued that the general public was not convinced, especially about the 1993 case and that fans do need to talk to Michael Jackson’s haters, otherwise the latter will feel free to spread their lies about Jackson without any hindrance and no one standing in the way to their lies. Apparently Michael’s fans were too mournful to listen to my nonsense, so I ended up being banned.

JC: What led you to start your website, Vindicating Michael? 

EO: My thread on the Michael Jackson forum was called “Vindicating Michael” and this is where I tried to collect the worst allegations about Jackson and the proof that they were lies. The thread was not popular with fans as only a handful of people followed it. It seems that this kind of activity was important only to novices like me and not to Michael’s fans who had lived with it all their lives and were already sick and tired of it. Apparently they were not disposed to raking in that mud. When my thread was deleted together with all the evidence collected there, I received a message, probably from another novice, who surprised me with the news that she had opened a wordpress page for me asking me to move all the information there for it not to be lost. The name of the blog was the same – Vindicating Michael, the login was vindicatemj, so this was the accidental way the blog started and vindicatemj became its admin. Eventually some other people joined me and each made his or her contribution to it. All of us were driven by the desire to know more and were limited only by the time we could spend on this time-consuming job.

So what began somewhat by accident in November 2009 became a starting point for several inquisitive people to examine every nasty story ever told about Michael and search for information to find out whether it was true or not. Some of these people later opened blogs of their own and summarized the information in a much more compact way, which is why they are now even better sources than Vindicating Michael – ours is more like a diary we jointly kept on a ten-year long journey of ours where we described everything that came our way and how we dealt with it at the time.

And what came our way was a huge mass of lies told by people who seem to be dedicated to spreading lies about Jackson. There wasn’t a day without a new dirty story told or an elaborate question arriving like “Will you please explain this particular book found on Michael’s bedside table when police raided Neverland in 2003?” To answer it you had to study all transcripts of the 2005 trial and police reports available online, and after the many hours of research you found that the book wasn’t on the table but in an attic, still packed in a closed box, was probably never opened, and it contained photos of neglected (fully dressed) children playing in the dust and portraying their obviously unhappy childhood. So what of it if Michael purchased it? Wasn’t he an exemplary father himself and didn’t he urge other parents to take care of their children and let them have a happy childhood?

With constant questions like that we were always busy and had our hands full, so the longevity of the blog and the depth of research there is for the most part thanks to Michael Jackson’s haters who didn’t give us a moment of quiet. However there is no cloud without a silver lining – as a result now most of us are like academic scholars specializing on truth about Michael Jackson while the general public and media are playing with old misconceptions and fabrications about MJ like their nursery school toys.

To give you an example of such misconception, some still believe that the Santa Barbara DA Tom Sneddon seriously intended to produce the photos of MJ’s genitalia at the 2005 trial to prove their “match” to Jordan Chandler’s description, while Michael’s researchers know that it was a mere theatrical show intended for the uninitiated. Sneddon simply could not do it in the absence of Jordan who flatly refused to testify almost a year earlier, in September 2004. The reason is the 6th Amendment to the US Constitution which allows any evidence from the accuser to be produced only in the presence of such accuser so that the other side is able to cross-examine him. Tom Sneddon knew that Jordan as a witness was not available to him, but still went for it, solely for the effect it would produce on the jury, media and public. The judge naturally declined it, but the majority failed to grasp how clever and devious Sneddon’s maneuver was.

Incidentally those photos were not a match, otherwise Michael Jackson would have been incarcerated long before and on that evidence alone.

JC: What do you think makes the community of Michael fans online special? Michael Jackson is one of the most beloved, well-documented and popular stars of all time. Do you feel like he is under attack, or unfairly maligned in the press, in general?

EO: What makes the community of Michael fans special is knowledge and research. And Michael Jackson is certainly not a well-documented star of all time – a much more proper word would be the worst-maligned star of all time.

I don’t know whether the media did it deliberately or because negative news sells better, or due to the media propensity to copy-paste cheap sensations instead of doing their own laborious research. Whatever it is, the end result is that the major part of publications about Michael Jackson are just lazy lies imitating news, while the real him and truth behind the accusations are silenced and never explored, though this is where the real thriller is if anyone in the media ever cared to look.

Now the true world of Michael Jackson and the false picture of him presented in the media are like two different planes of reality that never cross. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that massive fake news started with the media maligning Jackson, and though for some it could look like mere fun done at the expense of just one vilified man, the long-term consequences of such a massive lying campaign are surely underestimated. Even today people are virtually unable to tell a genuine victim from a fake one, and when their inability to tell lies from the truth extends to everything else, there will come a time when the media tries to tell people the truth on some essential and crucial problem, but the confused public will be simply unable to accept it. Unfortunately at a pace like that this time is not too far off.

Question: Do you feel like he is under attack, or unfairly maligned in the press, in general?
SB: Yes!! Definitely! We never see the facts in detail presented by the media and we are asking WHY? With all these accusations coming regularly up at certain times of anniversaries or event announcements of his Estate, it seems to us that his legacy is undermined on purpose. These accusations always pop up first in tabloids like Radar Online, but often they are adopted by mainstream media without examining them (copy & paste journalism).
I am not sure if MJ is really the most well-documented star, at least not in the press when it comes to the allegations.
You are certainly aware of Maureen Dowd’s completely biased opinion piece in the NYT of Feb 16. I know it’s her “opinion”, but how can someone base his/her opinion solely on the statements of two persons made in a film, when they accuse someone of the most horrible crimes, and take them for fact without taking into account that they could lie and what other witnesses and court files say? This should have no place in serious journalism, not even in an opinion sector, and not in a prestigious newspaper like the NYT.

JC: Do you plan to watch the new Leaving Neverland documentary? Why or why not?

EO: Leaving Neverland is not a documentary and I was not planning to watch it as we’ve studied Robson’s and Safechuck’s lawsuits and know what they are going to say. But I will have to because we haven’t come so long a way in debunking lies about Jackson to drop it at the last moment. For me it is a necessity though I know what a nightmare it is going to be.

Why is it not a documentary? A big red flag is that Dan Reed violated the principles of true journalism and by his own admission has not even done basic research about the characters he presents in the film. He takes their stories at their face value, does not fact check a single of their statements, says that the viewers should watch it and decide for themselves. Decide what? The people lacking knowledge and guided only by emotions cannot take a responsible decision about anything at all.

Essentially it is no better than giving a platform to two madmen who are happy to have a chance to reel off their gravest fantasies about someone they used to know and praised for decades, and who now say the opposite at the luring prospect of getting hundreds of millions from his Estate and knowing that it is a safe venue as the law on defamation doesn’t protect the deceased. Their case is still under appeal now, and it is in their interests to make their stories as graphic as only possible as the more public outrage the higher the chances that the appellate judges will give in to this noise.

The first viewers of the film who did no research and know only the media innuendoes about MJ say that the film is ‘powerful’ and its characters look ‘credible’. But the Star Wars is also powerful, and as to the two guys’ performance in the film, anyone would look upset and miserable at the prospect of losing hundreds of millions and would cry like babies out of the sheer shame of having to present themselves as “voluntary participants” of the alleged “sex activities” and possibly also losing the reward for telling so humiliating a lie.

Robson has to feign mental confusion saying that at age 23 he “didn’t realize that rape is abuse” and that he “liked it”, because there is no other way for him to explain how he managed to testify under oath that he had never been touched and after that still expect not to be called a perjurer he really is.

Safechuck’s story is different but is no better. According to his lawsuit he realized that his long psychiatric history could be the result of “abuse” only when he saw Robson on TV in 2013 and until that moment he had no idea about it. Isn’t all of it an insult to intellect and common sense?

Anyone familiar with the history of allegations against Jackson will know that Jordan Chandler in 1993 and Gavin Arvizo in 2005 did not claim even a fraction of what is now claimed by the two guys who were supposed to be the earlier “victims”. So while real predators always progress from bad to worse, for these two characters it worked in the reverse order – when Jackson was still young, naïve and incredibly God abiding, he was supposed to commit much graver crimes than those that were alleged about him years later when he was mature and really grown-up.

For the media to support so obvious a fake is utter disgrace.

JC: How do you feel like the MJ community is reacting to news of the film and the ensuing media coverage? Is there a responsibility felt by fans to protect his legacy?

EO: The reaction of the MJ community is absolutely adequate – it is the reaction of knowledgeable people who have to talk to ignoramuses. In contrast to the public and media many fans and supporters have studied Robson’s and Safechuck’s lawsuits, and are not only aware of what they are going to say in the film, but also know at which point their statements contradict their own previous testimonies and even their own current versions – like Robson, for example, who realized that his initial claims will be disproven by his sister’s testimony at the 2005 trial about the first two nights at Neverland and to be on the safe side has now shifted the beginning of “molestation” to a later time, as I hear.

Or take, for example, Dan Reed’s ridiculous assurances that these two guys didn’t meet each other as adults, when in his 2016 deposition Robson is recorded saying that “the last time they spoke was in early 2014” which was after Robson’s complaint but before Safechuck made his, which was a perfect period for exchanging ideas and unifying their claims.

As to the media coverage I cannot yet figure out whether the media is simply ignorant or has an agenda against Michael Jackson. However there isn’t much difference as both are unforgivable.

Speaking of our responsibility as MJ advocates and fans we’ve found ourselves in the circumstances when the media doesn’t do its work and is counterproductive to the truth, so we have no choice but be the media alternative and keep educating people on the real situation around Jackson.

SB: (I feel) Not only responsibility to protect his legacy, but a strong responsibility for the truth to be told and to expose the liars for what they are. I also feel a responsibility towards real abuse victims because they don’t play any role in this film. Reed’s “documentary” does a disservice to them, and if you read Reed’s interviews about the film (Los Angeles Times/Rolling Stone), you get the impression that the film is promoting pedophile ideas and is supporting the pedophile lobby (like Victor Gutierrez does in his banned book which seems to be the source for Safechuck’s accusations). How can anyone believe that a 7 year old child enjoys anal rape??? So I ask myself whose interests does this film really represent?

JC: Would you be interested in a documentary about the alleged abuse if you felt it was a more balanced portrayal or should the topic be off limits?

EO: The topic is absolutely not off limits and one day there will be a good documentary series about all the allegations about Jackson based on facts and facts alone. I can assure you that that will be a sensation as it will open up so many secrets of the people who consistently worked on stigmatizing Jackson that they will probably wish they had never started it.

One of the lacunas to be filled is the man who spent decades spreading lies about Jackson, who worked in collaboration with Martin Bashir on his second film about MJ and assisted some US TV channels in covering the 2005 trial. His name is Victor Gutierrez and he is a self-admitted attendee of a NAMBLA conference (North American Man Boy Love Association) held in late 80s where its participants decided to turn Michael Jackson into their poster boy. The only problem was to “prove” that he was their kind. Since then Victor Gutierrez has been tirelessly working in this direction and there is no low to which he didn’t stoop in smearing Jackson. Michael sued him and won, but Gutierrez fled the country not to pay him millions in damages, however the court order didn’t prevent him from reemerging in US to work as a TV consultant producer during the 2005 trial. A NAMBLA attendee as a consultant producer of US TV programs – isn’t it a nice piece of news just for starters?

If most of the media never heard of Victor Gutierrez it means that while doing their lazy copy-pasting they failed to notice the elephant in the room.

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Dateline NBC program. Victor Gutierrez is a consultant. [September 3, 2004]

SB: Yes, if everything is included what is in the court files, including the whole history since the 1993 case and before, when Victor Gutierrez came into the scene. This documentary should be a series, because it is not possible to tell everything in a 2 hour documentary.
No, the topic is not off limits, unfortunately it is existing and it has to be uncovered for what it really is – extortion. For this reason I appreciate the latest step of the MJ Estate to sue HBO with a “Petition to compel public arbitration”, and that they particularly require a public litigation.

JC: What do you think is the single most misunderstood thing by the public about Michael and the allegations of pedophilia and molestation?

EO: The single most misunderstood thing by the public is that Michael Jackson is absolutely not guilty of what he was accused. We may argue about his way of life and criticize him for behaving like a 12-year old and making a fool of himself by allowing all those slumber parties at his home, but he never molested anyone and his heart was in the right place.

Even when recorded by Conrad Murray when he was falling asleep and was in a half conscious state Michael’s words were about how much it hurt him to see children suffering and that God wanted him to help them. A person speaking about God and the need to help children at the moment when he was unable to control his subconscious surely didn’t have a single dirty thought on his mind. Any anesthesiologist who regularly hears people spilling out their innermost thoughts under sedation will tell you that.

Incidentally the full text of that tape has been very scarcely reported by the press. Why so, I wonder?

Here it is in case you don’t know.1

JC: Why do you think MJ fans are so dedicated and thorough in their defenses of Michael on social media?

EO: You can address the same question to people who know that the Earth is round, but are ridiculed by those who think that it is flat. There is simply no choice but fight them – for the sake of truth, human sanity and future of civilization. With the wealth of knowledge behind our backs we cannot leave the subject of Michael Jackson solely to flat earthers to handle it and keep all others in the medieval dark. There is no other option for us but defend the truth.

SB: Because we know every little detail in the court files of his cases and therefore are the only ones defending these facts. We can’t stand the injustice how he is treated. He is treated worse than the most evil criminal, though he was exonerated in trial. That’s why I see him as a civil rights case, because he is not getting justice from the public which is very ill-informed. We see a lot of double standard in his treatment. And in these times of “fake news” people seem to believe everything and don’t fact-check anymore.

JC: What would be the ideal scenario for you, in terms of how the media and the public treat MJ going forward? And how do you think his accusers should be considered?

SB: The media should not only present what is told in the film or by accusers, but also present the facts from court files which are available for everybody. If we as regular citizens from far away countries are able to find the relevant documents, US journalists should even be more capable to have access to these documents and study them. For example, we still miss in the mainstream media the examples of Robson’s and Safechuck’s proven lies given in the Estate letter of 10 pages to HBO. They don’t tell them! They don’t go into detail about the lies that were proven in court. They for example don’t talk about Robson’s foundation he set up to raise money without having to disclose it.

MJ’s accusers should be investigated in depth by journalists! Journalists should examine their backgrounds, especially their psychological backgrounds, their characters, their contradictions (Safechuck and Robson not only contradicted themselves within decades, but also repeatedly since filing their lawsuits), their timelines, all their statements of the past and all the videos with interviews. There was a lot of jealousy among the various families during their relationships with MJ. Joy Robson told in her deposition of September 2016 how they were angry that Michael always forgot to call Wade and how they were frustrated when they had to remind MJ of Wade’s participation in the “Jam” video and about their disappointment when “once again Brett Barnes was there. She clearly tells herself that Jackson was not even very interested in Wade Robson.
This is a job which was done already by MJ advocates. You can find all these details on our blog.
I know that the New York Times is very critical of President Trump and does extensive fact-checking of his statements and exposing his lies – and rightfully so! -, but why not fact-checking the allegations against Michael Jackson in the same way?

EO: For me the ideal scenario would be to make a joint research of all allegations about Michael Jackson with every element of it thoroughly examined without any bias or preconception on any side. Some fans will probably disagree as they understandably want Michael to rest in peace and be left alone at last. But my feeling is that without a proper rebuttal his name will not be cleared and Michael will not get the justice he deserves.

As to Dan Reed’s one-sided propaganda piece the ideal scenario would be to ban it altogether in the same way the media bans other propaganda promoting hatred, discrimination, intolerance and the like. The media will not allow a film where someone propagates any of the above ideas for four hours in the name of freedom of speech, will they? Because even if there is a short post-film disclaimer saying that “these are vicious and hateful ideas, but it is up to you to decide whether they are right or wrong” it will be absolutely not enough – it will not erase the effect of those ideas on human minds when they go totally unchallenged and for four hours too.

So why should the two proven perjurers be given the same chance? The film will become more or less balanced if their claims are alternated with their earlier testimonies and interviews about Michael’s innocence, if correct timeline is provided to disprove their stories (Robson, for example, was to Neverland on four occasions only when Michael was there, as all other stays were in his absence according to his own mother’s testimony2) and exactly half the film footage is given to the facts and witnesses contradicting their claims.

Like this account by German princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis whose brother Albert was also friends with Michael Jackson, for example: https://web.archive.org/web/20110711003404/http://www.finchsquarterly.com/2741/never-neverland-again/

Otherwise the film will remain a blatant propaganda piece intended solely for brainwashing people and a very, very shameful episode in the history of your media which undermines its credibility with its own hands.

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1 Excerpt from Conrad Murray’s tape: http://archive.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2011/10/05/a_transcript_of_recording_of_michael_jackson/

“Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”

2 Excerpt from Joy Robson’s testimony: http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/05-06-05__Joy_Chantal_Lizbeth_Karlee_.txt

21       Q.  You were not at the ranch on a number of

22   occasions during 1991?

23       A.  My memory is in the entire time we’ve lived

24   here since 1991, we’ve only been at the ranch with

25   Michael on four occasions in 14 years.

26       Q.  Four occasions?

27       A.  Every other time we’ve been here without

28   him.

~

And here is the New York Times article mentioned above.

Michael Jackson Fans Are Tenacious. ‘Leaving Neverland’ Has Them Poised for Battle.

A new documentary detailing allegations of sexual abuse has the pop star’s most activist supporters ready to jump on Twitter and YouTube to defend his name.

Joe Coscarelli's article cover piece

In the age of the 21st century fan community, perhaps no group is more emphatic, organized and passionate than Michael Jackson’s supporters.CreditCreditIllustration by Javier Jaén; photograph by Yvonne Hemsey/Getty Images

By Joe Coscarelli

  • March 4, 2019

Beyoncé has the BeyHive and Nicki Minaj the Barbz, fan groups who swarm online against anyone who disparages their idols. The Deadheads may have provided a blueprint, though these days they are more likely to bicker among themselves.

But in the age of the 21st-century superfan, perhaps no group is more emphatic, organized and passionate online than the devotees of Michael Jackson, the King of Pop whose legacy includes decades of innuendo and court cases regarding what he did or did not do with young boys.

Across blogs, message boards, podcasts, YouTube videos and especially social media feeds, where a Jackson avatar broadcasts one’s allegiance, they circulate exhaustive evidence that they view as exonerating for the singer, while shouting down news outlets they consider inaccurate and biased.

https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/1101224649764024321

Brewing for weeks, their fight kicked into a new gear on Sunday, with the airing of the first half of “Leaving Neverland,” an HBO documentary about two men who say Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them as children.

Ads for MJInnocent.com on buses in London and digital billboards in the United States are proclaiming: “Facts Don’t Lie. People Do.” Under the Twitter hashtag #MJFam, dozens of fan accounts have encouraged counterprogramming to the film, instructing followers to stream Jackson’s music instead of watching. And on Sunday night, fans deluged the #LeavingNeverland hashtag with thousands of tweets, dominating discussion of what they called a “mockumentary” and attacking the two men at its center.

https://twitter.com/asap_rickey/status/1102394895619231744

[Michael Jackson cast a spell. “Leaving Neverland” breaks it, our critic writes.]

Dan Reed, the director of “Leaving Neverland,” which concludes on Monday, said that his company had received “dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens” of emails from Jackson fans — “a deluge of hatred” beginning within 20 minutes of the film’s announcement in January. He and the two men in the film, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, said that some fans had taken it even further, with threats of violence.

“One can only compare them to religious fanatics, really,” Reed said. “They’re the Islamic State of fandom.”

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1102360891947810817

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Michael Jackson with Wade Robson in 1987, when the two met for the first time. In “Leaving Neverland,” Robson alleges that Jackson sexually abused him for years.CreditDan Reed/HBO

Jackson’s supporters don’t see it that way. Since accusations in 1993 by a boy and his family ended with a $23 million settlement, the fandom’s party line has been that any allegations amounted to extortion plots by hangers-on hellbent on tarnishing Jackson and exploiting his naïveté.

A specific strain of the Jackson faithful has pored over the granular details of his life and cases, including the 2005 trial in which he was acquitted of charges he molested another boy, in hopes of proving his innocence. Those fans — including the young and old, from Queensland, Australia to Moscow to Huntsville, Ala. — view “Leaving Neverland” as a manipulative, one-sided hit piece that rehashes old allegations from inconsistent sources.

The film has also turned what was for years a niche obsession for many Jackson fans into a mainstream battle.

“If you’ve been a fan for a long time, you’ve seen this over and over again,” said Casey Rain, 30, a musician and YouTuber living in Birmingham, England. He called “Leaving Neverland” a “sick attempt at hijacking the Me-Too moment.”

Many Jackson fans resort to indiscriminate, anonymous hate mail targeting journalists and Jackson’s accusers. Others like Rain show their devotion in deeper ways, painstakingly constructing videos and epic polemics that weave together court papers and obscure interviews, then sharing and resharing their work across multiple platforms.

“There’s nothing about Michael that the fan community doesn’t know,” said Rain, whose blog post about “Leaving Neverland” became a go-to text even before the documentary aired. “I really don’t think that we lack objectivity on him.” (Rain and others who had not yet seen the film said their information came from a few Jackson fans who attended the Sundance premiere and took “very, very detailed notes.”)

Susanne Baur and Elena Ovchinnikova, who co-author the blog Vindicating Michael, said they prefer not to be called Jackson fans at all because fan “has a too negative connotation of adoration and worship,” Baur, 60, wrote in an email from southern Germany.

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Two Jackson fans drove from Canada to Utah to protest the premiere of “Leaving Neverland” at Sundance.CreditDanny Moloshok/Invision, via Associated Press

Instead they identify as researchers and activists who view Jackson as a civil rights case. In a post about “Leaving Neverland” that totaled more than 10,000 words, Ovchinnikova, who is 65 and based in Moscow, parsed the changing stories of the two men in the film and concluded that they are liars.

“The reaction of the M.J. community is absolutely adequate,” Ovchinnikova said via email. “It is the reaction of knowledgeable people who have to talk to ignoramuses.”

Linda-Raven Woods, a 56-year-old from Huntsville, called herself a former “die-hard metalhead” whose lingering questions about Jackson’s guilt after his death had led her to fansites.

Wowed by the depth of their research, Woods realized, “This is why they defend him so passionately,” she said. She is now an administrator of @MJJLegion, a Twitter account with more than 80,000 followers that has been busy coaching fans on how to counteract the documentary.

Some of these supporters acknowledge that the elaborate lengths of their writing and reasoning invites comparisons to conspiracy theorists, or as Damien Shields put it, a “ranting mob.”

But Shields, the author of a book on Jackson’s music and a fan for more than two decades, said it is all a matter of perspective: “We also view the media as a ranting mob in some circumstances.”

He said that the fans’ support comes from a place of love and passion, comparing those on social media to the Britney Spears fan Chris Crocker, who cried “Leave Britney alone!” in an infamous viral video.

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Jackson supporters crowded outside the California courthouse where Jackson stood trial for molestation in 2005. The singer was acquitted on all charges.CreditMonica Almeida/The New York Times

“That’s Michael Jackson fans on Twitter times a million,” Shields said.

In the cases of Robson and Safechuck, fans note that both had previously testified that Jackson never abused them, and that they later unsuccessfully sued the singer’s estate. (Their claims are now under appeal.)

Both men said that it took them years to accept that they were abused and that they had felt pressured to testify on Jackson’s behalf. Reed, the director, said the film was, by design, “about how Wade changed his mind and confronted the truth about what happened to him” — a “radical reassessment of what it all meant.”

In an interview, Robson said that he understood the way many still cling to Jackson’s “very particular angelic persona.” He added, “That was so palatable for so many people, including myself.”

Robson and Safechuck said they, too, had faced an onslaught since coming forward, with Robson describing “thousands of extremely volatile and nasty emails or social media comments.” They cited the intensity of Jackson’s defenders a possible reason more people don’t come forward. “It’s an extremely terrifying thing to do,” Robson said.

As the film’s television premiere approached, some fans struggled with keeping up the fight for Jackson’s reputation as they also girded themselves for the increased scrutiny.

While some said they would boycott the film because it does not include outside context or interviews with defenders, others said they would stomach it for the good of the community.

“I need to know what we’re up against,” said Woods of @MJJLegion.

Shields said he couldn’t help but feel a sense of dread about the coming months: “This literally could be the end of Michael Jackson if — big if — someone in a position of repute doesn’t decide to tell the other side of the story,” he said.

In the meantime, it was “almost like therapy” for fans to do their part to push back on the claims. “Even if their part doesn’t actually make any impact,” he said, “at least they tried their best.”

~


January 25, 2021 update

A short announcement from the Admin.

Due to the difference of opinion over “progressive” and “conservative” issues Susanne from Germany has informed me that she cannot go in the direction my research is taking her, so for a time being she will refrain from writing posts or comments in this blog.

I fully respect her right to have an opinion of her own and she is welcome to still freely express it here, but in the circumstances she cannot fulfil the duties of my co-admin. In case she wishes to resume writing here, let me assure her and everybody that she has a full capacity to do so as she retains the role of an author/contributor to this blog.

I thank Susanne for almost seven years of our cooperation and wish her the very, very best.

Helena (vindicatemj)

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  1. February 19, 2024 3:31 pm

    It’s sad very sad and it will never end while you have this monster for a leader

    Des, this isn’t one person only. It is a whole system – a machine with lots of people as its essential parts.
    Most Many of them are its voluntary elements.

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  2. Des permalink
    February 18, 2024 6:04 am

    It’s sad very sad and it will never end while you have this monster for a leader

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  3. February 17, 2024 6:35 am

    In memory of the one who wanted the best for us but was killed.

    The same old story. Will it ever end?

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  4. March 17, 2022 6:51 pm

    Z-campaign in a Russian daycare center called “Sunshine”
    https://twitter.com/ozalup/status/1504096143717847045

    The comment says:

    “they lay out children in the shape of the letter Z and make them raise their hands (to zig?)”

    The official note for the photos says:

    Educators and pupils of our Sunshine kindergarten joined the “Defenders of the Fatherland” campaign and “For our (army)” flash mob. This is in support of our army, our country, our president

    The word “Defenders” is written as Zefenders…. And “For our army” is written as Zor our army…

    Now it is worse than in North Korea. It was so quick.

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  5. March 15, 2022 3:51 am

    And this is the news for those who think that “this is not our war”, don’t care or are against supplying Ukraine with weapons.

    📣 Vladimir Solovyov, Russian propagandist on state-owned Russian television channel:
    ‘If you think that we will stop on #Ukraine, think thrice. Let me remind you that Ukraine is just a milestone in ensuring strategic security of the #Russian Federation’

    Vladimir Solovyov hosts a daily evening program on Russian TV and has zombified millions of his viewers for years.
    Now he is especially enraged as he is under sanctions and his two villas in Italy were sort of confiscated by the Italian government.

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  6. March 15, 2022 3:29 am

    Here is really important news. It describes a perfectly feasible scenario given the usual modus operandi of you know who.

    Ministry of Defence UK
    Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine – 14 March 2022
    Russian accusations that Ukraine intends to use chemical and biological weapons continue. We have seen no evidence to support these accusations.
    Russia could possibly be planning to use chemical or biological weapons in a ‘false-flag’ operation. Such an operation could take the form of a faked attack, a staged ‘discovery’ of agents or munitions or fabricated evidence of alleged Ukrainian planning to use such weapons. A ‘false-flag’ attack would almost certainly be accompanied by extensive disinformation to complicate attribution.
    Intelligence suggests Russia likely intended to use ‘false-flag’ operations to justify their initial invasion of Ukraine on 24 February.

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  7. March 14, 2022 3:44 pm

    ‘They are lying to you!’ Russia’s main news broadcast stormed in astonishing moment


    THIS is the moment a Russian news broadcast is interrupted by an anti-war protester – who warned viewers not to believe propaganda being shared by the channel.

    By KYLE FARRELL
    19:11, Mon, Mar 14, 2022 | UPDATED: 19:54, Mon, Mar 14, 2022

    A woman wielding a sign saying “no war” and other messages ambushed a live television broadcast on Russia’s Channel One – as producers scrambled to cut her off.

    Newsreader Ekaterina Andreeva was delivering her evening bulletin before the demonstrator began chanting and telling viewers not the believe “propaganda”. It comes as Russia cracks down on independent media outlets in the country which have reported the Kremlin’s stalled war and large losses in Ukraine.

    The woman charged into the Channel One studio at the Ostankino Technical Center in Moscow to speak to millions of viewers.
    Her sign showed a mix of Russian and English writing which read “stop the war” and “Don’t believe the propaganda, they are lying to you here”.

    Producers quickly changed the broadcast to a clip of a hospital as they dealt with the protester.

    It was later revealed the protester was Marina Ovsyannikova, an employee at Channel One, who was angry at the outlet’s reporting.
    She recorded a video prior to the stunt and apologised for Channel One’s propaganda.

    She said in the video: “Unfortunately, for the last several years I worked at Channel One, promoting Kremlin propaganda and for that I am very ashamed right now…

    “I am ashamed that I allowed lies to be told from TV screens, that I allowed Russian people to be zombified. We stayed quiet when all of this was just getting started in 2014.”

    She has reportedly been detained since the protest.

    Channel One is Russia’s largest channel with an estimated 250 million viewers worldwide.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1580546/russian-state-television-protester-sign-channel-one-ukraine-war-latest-video-vn

    This news is indeed astonishing. In my nearly 70 years of life I don’t remember anything like that on Russian TV. Her message was almost immediately cut off and the newsreader was interrupted actually in mid-sentence.

    The importance of Marina Ovsyannikova’s truly heroic deed is enforced by the fact that she is (was) the news editor on Channel One, so was actually personally involved in zombifying the viewers. And she is the one who really knows and when you hear her speak you are getting firsthand information.

    Here is the video she recorded before her feat on TV (English subtitles are available):

    Marina Ovsyannikova is a mother of two children. Now she is detained and has disappeared. Her attorneys cannot find her.

    In the video she says:

    What is happening now in Ukraine is a crime and Russia is an aggressor country, and the responsibility for this aggression lies on the conscience of only one person, and this person is Vladimir Putin. My father is Ukrainian, my mother is Russian and they have never been enemies. The necklace on my neck is like a symbol that Russia must immediately stop this fratricidal war, and our fraternal peoples will still be able to make up.

    Unfortunately, for the last few years I worked on Channel One promoting the Kremlin propaganda and now I am very much ashamed of it. I am ashamed that I allowed lies to be told from TV screens, that I allowed Russian people to be zombified.

    We stayed quiet when all of this was just getting started in 2014. We did not go on rallies when the Kremlin poisoned Navalny – we simply looked at this anti-human regime silently. Now the whole world has turned its back on us, and the next ten generations of our descendants will not be able to wash off themselves the shame of this fratricidal war.

    We are Russians, thoughtful and smart, and it is in our power to stop this madness. Rally against it and don’t be afraid. They cannot jail all of us.

    Her sign says:
    NO WAR.
    Don’t believe their propaganda.
    They are lying to you here.
    Russians against war

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  8. March 13, 2022 8:40 pm

    Gary Tabach, the US Navy Captain (retired) gives an update on the situation in Ukraine in his interview with an Israeli news channel, dated March 13th – “Example Of How Small Davids Destroy Huge Goliaths”:

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  9. March 12, 2022 2:59 pm

    Musicians from Belarus, Ukraine, Russia and the Czech Republic recorded a cover of the song “I will not give up without a fight”.

    The song was written by a very popular Ukrainian band called Okean Elzi/Elza’s Ocean/ 12 years ago (which doesn’t make it less relevant), and the cover is actually made of two of their songs – first “Hug me” and then “I will not give up without a fight”.

    Press “settings” for English subtitles.

    Here is the original of the Okean Elzi anti-war song “Hug me” written 8 years ago (English subtitles are also available):

    And here is the original of “I will not give up without a fight”. Actually it was written in peace time and has to do with a fight for one’s love :). But its refrain saying “I will not give up without a fight” has since been used by Ukrainians as a symbol of their fight for their country and its freedom.

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  10. March 11, 2022 10:42 am

    Michael was apolitical on purpose and his Jehovah’ Witness upbring is what made him anti war.

    Michael was apoliticial but empathic for the victims of war, and it would have never occurred to him to justify the death of 14,000+ Ukrainian lives for the past 8 years in the hands of the so-called “separatists”, or approve a certain “special operation” where not only soldiers but thousands of civilians are being bombed and are dying in front of everyone’s eyes.

    But also be prepared to find out that there is another side and maybe they aren’t right all the time.

    Be prepared too. It seems that you are in for a lot of surprises in the future. Only don’t allow yourself to forget your current views and opinions. People should live long to see their illusions crash. I definitely want you to live long and see it with your own eyes when justice is finally done.
    All the best to you.

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  11. March 11, 2022 10:30 am

    Stop putting everything on Michael’s fans. Ou have literally argued with everyone by telling them that because they aren’t putting on battle fatigues and flying to Ukraine that we’re not good enough Michael Jackson fans.

    Stop talking to me like that. I’m not “putting everything” on Michael’s fans. And I haven’t argued with “everyone” because it is actully you who are attacking me, and I myself spoke about MJ’s fans just once and have certainly never asked anyone “to fly to Ukraine”.

    YOU ARE A LIAR.

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  12. March 11, 2022 10:23 am

    Now answer these questions?
    Do you really think the horrible Putin former bad guy spy, didn’t have spies and people infiltrating the Ukrainian government and Army?

    I don’t know what “former bad guy spy” you are talking about. As to Russian spies infiltrating Ukrainian government and Army the answer is YES, there are masses of them there – same as in many other countries. Some are working perfectly legally and are in very high esteem among their own population. And none of the ordinary people know whose interests these guys are actually promoting.

    Do you not know the reconnaissance capabilities of your country’s military?

    Do you?

    Do you really think he didn’t know exactly where they were and what was in them?

    Who “he”?

    What about the Ukrainian people in Donbas?

    What about them?

    Were you not concerned that they were being bombed and shelled for the last 8 years by the Ukrainian Azov Battalion?

    Your question betrays the fact that you are a victim of pure Russian propaganda. I’ve been following the situation there since 2014, for 8 years already and know everything in minute detail. However speaking to brainwashed people like you is useless as similar conversations with my compatriots proved the same to me. No videos, no evidence and even no open admissions of Russian mercenaries like Girkin and the like that they were staging that shelling to be able to shell Ukrainians themselves – no, even that couldn’t break the wall formed by Russian propaganda.

    So my congratulations to you – you know nothing of what really happened there, either in 2014 and earlier or for the last 8 years since then. Nothing at all.

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  13. March 11, 2022 10:00 am

    It wasn’t the commentary that I was speaking of it was her confession that US ‘companies” have biolabs for research and she says that they have to worry about them falling into the hands of Russian forces. Do you at least get that part?

    You speak to me as if were some kind of a nit-wit, LOL. Well, I haven’t followed Victoria Nuland’s narrative, but YOUR media quotes her saying the following and she didn’t mention any US “companies”:

    At the hearing, State Department official Victoria Nuland was asked whether Ukraine has bioweapons. “Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of”, she stated to the US lawmakers on March 8. “We are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach”, she added.
    Following the response, US Senator Marco Rubio quickly added that there were ‘Russian propaganda’ reports claiming the discovery of a plot by Ukrainians to release biological weapons, with coordination from NATO. He further asked that if a biological or chemical weapon attack were to occur inside Ukraine, whether Russians would be behind it, to which Nuland affirmed saying, “There is no doubt in my mind, Senator.” She said that it is the classic Russian technique to blame the other guy for what they are planning to do themselves.
    However, by saying that Russia will be responsible for a ‘biological or chemical weapon attack’ taking place, the Nuland has in a way admitted what the Russian government has been saying all along, that US-funded Biolabs are working on developing bioweapons on Ukrainian soil. https://www.opindia.com/2022/03/usa-admits-biolabs-in-ukraine-says-biological-attack-russias-fault/

    Note that the above conclusion is ABSURD because what she said has nothing to do with certain “US-funded biolabs” and there is no connection between the two. It is just jumping to conclusions.

    After watching this on C-span I just had to ask the following questions:
    How many labs do we have?
    Who or what companies own these labs?
    What are they researching that she is worried about?
    Why was the existence of these labs of concern kept quiet?
    Who put them there in 2005 for god’s sake?

    If there are indeed any US labs there it is the American public’s business to find out, and certainly not mine. However, the US official sources give the following answers:

    The United States does not own or control any “biolabs” in Ukraine and any funding from the Cooperative Biological Engagement Program under the Cooperative Threat Reduction program (also known as the Nunn-Lugar program) serves to invest in the the security of the facilities and help ensure that skilled scientists work on useful projects and not poached to help WMD programs in rogue nations.

    The rumor originated from a misinterpretation of a 2005 agreement between the U.S. and Ukraine: “Concerning Cooperation in the Area of Prevention of Proliferation of Technology, Pathogens and Expertise that could be Used in the Development of Biological Weapons.” For years Russia has alleged that American involvement in securing labs in former Soviet states is part of a massive conspiracy to develop biological weapons, in violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.

    In an April 2020 statement, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine clarified the U.S.-Ukrainian partnership in an effort “to set the record straight regarding disinformation” on what is described as a “strong U.S.-Ukrainian partnership to reduce biological threats.” The statement explained that the U.S. Ukraine partnership is part of the Biological Threat Reduction Program, which “works with the Ukrainian Government to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern in Ukrainian government facilities, while allowing for peaceful research and vaccine development.”

    The Russian campaign is not limited to Ukraine. There were similar accusations made about the U.S.-funded Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research in Tbilisi, Georgia, that spread during the Trump administration as well. According to reporting from the Associated Press, Russia’s Defense Ministry accused the U.S. of running a biological weapon lab in Georgia. The allegation more specifically, according to the AP, was that the lab in Georgia “was part of a network of U.S. labs near the borders of Russia and China.”

    Pentagon spokesperson Eric Pahon shot down rumors and explained the purpose of the Lugar Center at the time, per the AP: “The mission of the Lugar Center is to contribute to protection of citizens from biological threats, promote public and animal health through infectious disease detection, epidemiological surveillance, and research for the benefit of Georgia, the Caucasus region and the global community.”

    During a press briefing yesterday, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby addressed these most recent rumors.
    “The Russian accusations are absurd. They’re laughable. And you know, in the words of my Irish Catholic grandfather, a bunch of malarkey. There’s nothing to it. It’s classic Russian propaganda. And, and I wouldn’t, if I were you, I wouldn’t give it a drop of ink worth paying attention to.”

    He added: “We are not, not developing biological or chemical weapons inside Ukraine. It’s not happening,” Kirby said.
    In a March 9 press statement, State Department spokesman Ned Price also addressed allegations of biolab in Ukraine, saying that: “The Kremlin is intentionally spreading outright lies that the United States and Ukraine are conducting chemical and biological weapons activities in Ukraine.”

    “Russia is inventing false pretexts in an attempt to justify its own horrific actions in Ukraine.” Price added. “The United States does not own or operate any chemical or biological laboratories in Ukraine, it is in full compliance with its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and Biological Weapons Convention, and it does not develop or possess such weapons anywhere.”

    In testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said, “We do not assess that Ukraine is pursuing biological weapons, which have been basically the propaganda that Russia is putting out.” She clarified that Ukraine’s existing research facilities are for “biodefense and their public health response.”
    https://thedispatch.com/p/fact-check-no-there-are-no-us-funded?s=r

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  14. lynande51 permalink
    March 11, 2022 9:16 am

    It wasn’t the commentary that I was speaking of it was her confession that US ‘companies” have biolabs for research and she says that they have to worry about them falling into the hands of Russian forces. Do you at least get that part?
    After watching this on C-span I just had to ask the following questions:
    How many labs do we have?
    Who or what companies own these labs?
    What are they researching that she is worried about?
    Why was the existence of these labs of concern kept quiet?
    Who put them there in 2005 for god’s sake?

    Now answer these questions?
    Do you really think the horrible Putin former bad guy spy, didn’t have spies and people infiltrating the Ukrainian government and Army?
    Do you not know the reconnaissance capabilities of your country’s military?
    Do you really think he didn’t know exactly where they were and what was in them?
    What about the Ukrainian people in Donbas?
    Were you not concerned that they were being bombed and shelled for the last 8 years by the Ukrainian Azov Battalion?

    Stop putting everything on Michael’s fans. Ou have literally argued with everyone by telling them that because they aren’t putting on battle fatigues and flying to Ukraine that we’re not good enough Michael Jackson fans.
    Michael was apolitical on purpose and his Jehovah’ Witness upbring is what made him anti war.

    I don’t call for the assassination of any world leader anywhere because it is against the law everywhere. I can’t say it about the U.S. I can’t say it anywhere. Debate the conflict the rightness of it, fine. But also be prepared to find out that there is another side and maybe they aren’t right all the time.

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  15. March 11, 2022 6:48 am

    “here’s Victoria NUland saying it in front of the Senate yesterday.” – lynande51

    As far as I can see she didn’t say anything that would send Rubio into “panic”. It is the author of the video who is spinning it beyond measure though he doesn’t know what “documents” were provided by the Russian Defense Ministry, doesn’t know the language and all of it is sheer speculation on his part. This is no real news, and in fact no news at all.

    And here is what scientists say about the same. Mind you that it is the Russian scientists who were so outraged by this lie that made an open letter to the media though for them the risk of saying it is tremendous and certainly incomparable to the situation of this bla-bla-bla author.

    Longread, google translated and slightly edited:

    “It’s a deliberate lie.” Expert – about the “creation of bioweapons” in Ukraine
    March 10, 2022
    by Marina Aronova

    The community of alumni of the Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University made a post on Facebook in which they demanded that a number of Russian pro-Kremlin media outlets stop “false propaganda based on disinformation and hatred.” We are talking about the publications of the media, which claim that Ukraine was developing biological weapons.

    On March 6, the Russian Defense Ministry published documents allegedly proving that biological weapons were being created in Ukraine. The official representative of the department, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said that on February 24, plague pathogens were urgently destroyed in Poltava and Kharkov laboratories, anthrax, tularemia, cholera and other deadly diseases.
    After that, dozens of reports appeared in the pro-government media that Ukrainian biological laboratories were fulfilling orders from the Pentagon. On March 9, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation (RF), Dmitry Peskov, said that “it will certainly be interesting for the whole world to understand and find out what these institutions were doing.”

    On March 10, Igor Kirillov, head of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Troops (RCBZ) of the RF Armed Forces, said that biological laboratories in Lvov worked with plague, anthrax and brucellosis pathogens, in Kharkov and Poltava – with diphtheria, salmonellosis and dysentery pathogens.
    As Kirillov explained, more than 320 containers were destroyed in Lviv: 232 containers with the causative agent of leptospirosis, 30 with tularemia, 10 with brucellosis, 5 with plague. “The nomenclature and excess amount of biopathogens testify to the work carried out within the framework of military biological programs,” he stressed.

    In response, the community of graduates of the Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University circulated a post on Facebook that analyzes the accusations of representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Its author, Evgeny Levitin, Ph.D. in Biology, microbiologist, genetic engineer and molecular biologist, explained why he demanded that Russian officials refute their statements.

    – Why did you write an open letter to the editors of RIA Novosti, Gazeta.ru, Russia Today, Fontanka, Komsomolskaya Pravda and other media that published reports that Ukraine allegedly urgently eliminated traces of the biological weapons program that was funded by the Pentagon?

    – Because they wrote pure lies.
    This is a deliberate lie, which is not justified in any way. This will become obvious to any person who takes the trouble to simply carefully read the documents attached to the allegation of the creation of biological weapons in Ukraine.
    Let me explain with a simple example.
    Imagine: you come to a certain office and see an inscription on one of the rooms – “Instruction for the cleaner. 2 times a day to wet clean the room.” From this you conclude that in this room Ukrainian nationalists dismember people alive twice a day and sacrifice them to Cthulhu, and then cover up the traces.
    The statement of the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Konashenkov, in combination with the documents attached to this statement, produces just such an impression.

    – But why? Documents on the elimination of dangerous pathogens in Ukrainian laboratories contain a long list of pathogens…

    – Compare it with the list of so-called especially dangerous infections. There is nothing of the kind in the published list of drugs disposed of in Poltava and Kharkov laboratories. Let’s see what pathogens are listed in it.

    Corynebacterium diphtheriae is a potentially dangerous, but completely unsuitable for wide distribution strain of the causative agent of diphtheria. It is very difficult to contract diphtheria until a full spoon of this culture is poured down your throat – then you will feel bad.
    Corynebacterium pseudodiphteriticum are bacteria that are part of the normal microflora of the human upper respiratory tract and skin. This is already a purely conditional pathogen. It can harm human health only in conditions of immune deficiency.
    Corynebacterium xerosis is something that can potentially cause inflammation of the mucous membranes in some people. The thing, of course, is rather unpleasant, but it is treated with a special cream.
    Baсillus lihenifprmus “C” is a strain with which you deal constantly. It is found anywhere, even in yesterday’s soup.
    Baсillus stearothermophilis may be considered an opportunistic pathogen, but again, this bacillus needs to be ingested in large quantities, and even in an immune-compromised person, it will not cause dangerous diseases.
    Staphilococcus aureus is also the most common thing, which can be contracted simply by air. If you leave a cup on the table, then every hundredth colony of bacteria that forms there is Staphylococcus aureus. Yes, it happens that because of it, yellow plaques may grow on a person’s throat, but this is not staphylococcus to blame, but the state of the body.
    Escherichia coli – we all have this E. coli in our intestines. If you sow samples of microflora, then half of the people will meet this Escherichia coli. This is not good, because it means that the foodstuffs you eat are not healthy and you need to make changes in your nutrition system, but this does not mean that this is a dangerous infection.
    Pseudomonas aeruginosa is a Pseudomonas aeruginosa that lives in water and soil, it is conditionally pathogenic for humans.
    Klebsiella pneumoniae is also an opportunistic pathogen.

    All that are listed in published documents are opportunistic pathogens, with the exception of Clostridium diphtheriae. But this pathogen does not belong to the group of especially dangerous pathogens.

    – Then why were these strains kept in Ukrainian laboratories?

    – They are used in any epidemiological institute, in any microbiological laboratory, even in any sanitary and epidemiological station where samples are sown. These strains are needed for comparison. Here comes a man, has a swab taken from his throat, specialists do the sowing and see what bad things develop there. The strains grown in the cup need to be compared with something. Therefore, there are samples in any normal laboratory that deals with epidemiology or even just microbiology.
    In order to store such strains, you do not even need a special permit.
    These pathogens are not subject to specially registered storage. You just need to fill out a special form confirming that they are. This is common practice.

    – If these are the most common strains that are widely used, then why did the Ukrainian biological laboratories urgently destroy them on February 24, as Konashenkov said?

    – “Because it is also a common practice. Periodically – every six months, for example, some of the cultures that are not needed for further work are disposed of. That is, they are carefully destroyed by various methods of disinfection. Moreover, even the most innocent strains are disposed of in this way, because you can’t throw them in the trash.
    Here the same situation. Epidemiological laboratories, even those that don’t work with especially dangerous infections and have no permission to do so, have disposed of cultures of potentially harmful bacteria. They complied with the order of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine dated February 24, 2022 on the disposal of pathogens in a state of emergency.
    The goal is to prevent all sorts of accidents that could lead to the entry of biocultures into the external environment. This is a reasonable decision.

    – It turns out that strains that are not particularly dangerous were destroyed. Why, then, General Konashenkov announced the destruction of the pathogens of plague, anthrax, tularemia,cholera and other deadly diseases?

    – This is a complete lie, in its purest form. Plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera – all this is not in the published documents. They simply counted on people not being able to read either Ukrainian or Latin and do not know the names of pathogens.
    That’s how propaganda works. The Ministry of Defense made a false statement based on nothing – and now, if I talk to people, 90% of them will say: “Bioweapons were made in Ukraine.” No one has read the attached documents. And those who have read it will say: “Well, yes, maybe there are no dangerous pathogens in these documents. But we are not told about this for nothing. Maybe in other documents, which cannot be published openly, there are dangerous strains.” This variant of people’s reaction is also possible.

    All this is propaganda in its pure, distilled form. Lies without any basis.

    – Can it happen that the RF Ministry of Defense will later actually discover the causative agents of plague, anthrax or cholera in Ukrainian biological laboratories?

    – Certainly, there are probably laboratories in Ukraine that work with especially dangerous pathogens. And that’s okay too. Hundreds of laboratories in Russia have official permission to work with anthrax, for example.
    I worked in France in a laboratory that dealt with animal pathology and studied parasites in domestic animals.
    And this ordinary veterinary laboratory also had permission to work with especially dangerous infections. To get it, the laboratory just needs to be properly equipped and correctly register dangerous strains. If specialists work with them, this does not mean that they are developing biological weapons.
    If the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation discovers in Ukraine the documents of laboratories that have official permission to work with dangerous strains, this will also not be surprising or terrible. But the military department did not bother to wait for even such a pretext for propaganda. Perhaps they didn’t have time for that.
    It seems to me that a statement on the development of biological weapons in Ukraine was prepared and agreed in advance. After all, immediately after the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the official representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Zhao Lizqian, spoke out calling the United States to clarify its activities in biological militarization. The Chinese representative tried to ignite panic by saying that there are American biological laboratories operating in Ukraine, on which the United States spends hundreds of millions of dollars, and these laboratories are clearly doing something wrong.

    – Could it be that there really are laboratories in Ukraine that receive funding from the United States?

    – Certainly. Because this is also common practice. The cost of labor in Ukraine is much less than in America. And if some American company needs to get a certain protein in order to carry out immunization or increase biomass in order to study the effect of a certain substance on microbes, then it is ten times cheaper to do it in Ukraine than in America.
    Therefore, Americans certainly use this outsourcing.
    Similarly, American firms outsource some of their work to China, Vietnam, or India. In Russia this was also common, until international cooperation began to be strangled in our country.
    The laboratories fulfilling orders for foreign firms can be of various types- not only biological, but also chemical and geological. Science is generally global, it is not tied to any one country. If a biological laboratory in Ukraine works with money from the United States, this does not mean that it is developing biological weapons.
    In addition, it is unlikely that there are laboratories in Ukraine that do work entirely for private firms, they may work for such US government agencies as the National Institutes of Health.
    Ukraine has been a poor country for too long, and there are few specialists left there who could carry out orders as serious as the development of biological weapons. Most of them, unfortunately, have already left.
    A good specialist will prefer to work in America for dollars, and not in Ukraine for hryvnas. Actually, the situation is the same in Russia.

    – In many Russian media, it is being discussed that the US authorities developed in Ukrainian laboratories not just biological weapons, but weapons specifically against the Slavs. That they studied Slavic DNA…

    – The claim of “Slavic DNA” is just nonsense for anyone who remembers a high school biology course. Such statements go back to the theories of the German National Socialists with their cult of the “Aryan superior race”. The fact is that peoples as genetic communities do not exist at all. This is a common place for all biologists for about 150 years. And there is no such people like the Slavs.
    Slavic languages began to spread very rapidly in the 5th-6th centuries AD. The ancestors of modern Bulgarians went south and conquered the Thracian population. The ancestors of modern Russians went north and conquered territories inhabited by Finno-Ugric peoples. The Western Slavs assimilated the Celtic population living in Europe.
    The local population has not changed genetically, it has simply adopted the language and culture of the newcomers. In the process of assimilation there was a mixture of blood. And this is only one stage, but there was still a great migration of peoples, the Tatar-Mongol conquest, etc., etc.
    To see how massive the mixing of blood was it is enough to study the genetic map of the world. The share of Slavic genes is not only among the Finns or Poles, but is also found among the Chinese. And such a genetic community as the Slavs, and even more so Russians or Ukrainians, simply does not exist. It can’t be even labeled. Russians and Ukrainians are like two salads made from the same ingredients.
    One has more of some components, and the other has more of others. Moreover, the residents of Rostov-on-Don and Kharkov will have more in common than a native of a Karelian village [in northern Russia] and a Siberian.
    All peoples [of the world] are a mess of various genes. And there is no special DNA of the Slavs.

    Studying Slavic DNA to create a biological weapon against the Slavs is complete nonsense. Even if it were possible to develop such a bioweapon – and this is impossible in the near future – it would not be successfully used. Anyone who wanted to kill a third of the Russians with it would have destroyed at least a quarter of the population of their own country.

    – If we take the people who are most remote in terms of their territories – for example, the people of Central Africa and China – is it possible to create a biological weapon that will be dangerous for one nation and will not threaten another?

    – Well, let’s imagine that, let’s say the African Zulu tribe suddenly created a biological weapon against the rest of the world. Purely theoretically, this is possible. For example, in Africa, there is a common genotype prone to sickle cell anemia. A very unpleasant thing. The people with this genotype, in case of insufficient supply of oxygen, will have heart failure because red blood cells shrink and hardly carry oxygen. This genotype is common in Africa because it protects against malaria.
    So let’s imagine that Zulu tried to infect the Chinese with malaria. Yes, there will be less deaths among Zulu, about half as many deaths as in the rest of the world, but there will still be losses on both sides. So why do we need such a weapon if the usual one works much more efficiently?

    – What evidence should have been provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense to convince the whole world that biological weapons were indeed being developed in Ukraine? Is it possible, for example, to take plague or anthrax pathogens from Russian laboratories and claim that they were found in Ukraine?

    -It’s very risky for their own reputation. For example, it may turn out that this strain of plague has already been described in the Russian laboratory. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will present the pathogen to international experts, and they will answer: “Sorry, but this is a strain from Mongolia. You are just kidding.” After all, all strains are as individual as fingerprints.
    You can, of course, find some kind of strain which is widely distributed and used in hundreds of laboratories around the world. But, as we have already said, the fact that it will be presented as found in Ukraine will not be proof of the development of biological weapons. It will be necessary to present to the world community … (laughs) a certain container found in Ukraine with tens of kilograms of anthrax spores. Only then will it be suspicious. This is the same situation as if the Russian Defense Ministry said that Ukraine was preparing to launch a nuclear strike on Russia. Then it would be necessary to demonstrate thousands of kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium, allegedly manufactured at Ukrainian enterprises.

    But in both cases, the fake would be easy to expose. A good fake is generally very difficult to make. When a person does some work, it is easier for him to do the work itself than to fabricate a fake that this work has really been done. This is the same as trying to imitate someone else’s writing, moreover, in a foreign language and from another era.
    I can now try to imitate a message on behalf of a person back from the 1920s, but any more or less competent specialist will immediately find out that this is a fake. Finding a fake is much easier than making one.
    Judging by the absurdity of the accusations that have already been made, the Russian Ministry of Defense is not at all concerned about providing credible evidence. It is enough to state that Ukraine is developing biological weapons and publish the first documents that come across. And then, if there is a fuss, say: “Sorry, we made a rash statement.”

    – The bad feeling will be still there and propaganda will work?

    – Yes, and this is what they count on. Perhaps the Russian Ministry of Defense wanted to find something more convincing than the published documents. But to be honest, I don’t think they even thought about it right now. After all, the accusation of creating biological weapons was needed urgently, right now. Not in six months and not for the international community. It is designed for an immediate effect among Russians. And all foreign experts who see this statement are simply amazed.

    My post with an appeal to the editors of the propaganda media was read by many, including quite well-known scientists.
    They assessed this ‘evidence’ and said it was just some kind of madness. And to my proposal to somehow spread this information, they answered: “Is it worth it? If this obvious lie is taken too seriously, they might think that maybe there really is something there … But it’s just obvious absurdity “.
    Maybe, they are right for their own scientific community. But here, in Russia, the situation is different. Here, 90% of the people believed the apparently false accusations.

    – Did you count on a response from the editors of the media that published this lie?

    – Honestly, no, I didn’t expect it. If they write about it, they won’t write anything else. It’s a pity that in Russia it is now possible to publish such absurd fakes. In other times it was impossible to imagine anything like this.”
    https://www.sibreal.org/a/eto-soznatelnaya-lozh-ekspert-o-sozdanii-biooruzhiya-v-ukraine/31746506.html

    Similar lies were told by the very same officials about the MH17 Boeing crash – first it was a “Ukrainian BUK”, then a “Ukrainian pilot”, then it was a “mistake” of the so-called separatists, and the innumerable number of other similar stories. Their only goal was to create a propaganda fog so that different people believed at least one of a variety of lies (depending on their mental abilities), and in the long run all of them came to a conclusion that “Truth will be never known to us”.

    Actually, the very same method was used against Michael Jackson – they told so many lies about him that an ordinary person thinks that “there must be something there”. I don’t know who learned from whom, but the fact is there – the propaganda method is exactly the same.

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  16. lynande51 permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:13 pm

    Well here’s Victoria NUland saying it in front of the Senate yesterday.

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  17. March 10, 2022 5:20 pm

    And here is another important comment:

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  18. March 10, 2022 5:19 pm

    Gary Tabach, a Soviet-born US Navy Captain who has a video blog of his own and who went to Ukraine before the “special operation” in order to take part in some TV talk shows, was actually caught up in the events and refused to abandon Ukraine in this time of trouble. It looks like he is still there.
    Here is his view on the situation:

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  19. March 10, 2022 5:02 pm

    America has a long history of stirring up political strife around the world and then pulling out. Korea, Viet Nam Iraq, Afghanistan – Lynande

    Yes, it has. And Ukraine is no exception to it. Only with Ukraine it is something very different from what you think it was.

    “statements by the Pentagon calling the Russian reports “absurd,” and from the office of Ukrainian President Zelensky denying that such programs existed, were entirely false”

    And you really believe this BS? And this is spread by the World Socialist Website?
    Well, it seems that Ukrainians are not only fighting for themselves and their freedom, but also for liberating the world from all sorts of lies and insanity circulating there.

    Victoria Nuland: Ukraine has biological research facilities

    Remember that ALL countries have biological research facilities which study various diseases, viruses, etc. Medical communities all over the world constantly work on new drugs and methods of protection of their own and world’s population and therefore keep samples of most lethal diseases in their storages.
    I don’t know if Ukrainians have them, but even if they do, so what? This is called SCIENCE. And the possible existence of some medical labs there is no more dangerous to the world than the existence of similar medical institutions in other non-totalitarian states. The key word here is non-totalitarian.

    It’s time for Zelensky to stop begging for arms and ammunition he’s had an over abundance of them since 2005. He needs to tell the civilian population in Ukraine to run, run as fat a you can to the closest border.

    What newspapers are you reading?
    Let me give you a little piece of advice – run from those newspapers as fast as you can, to the closest border too.

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  20. lynande51 permalink
    March 10, 2022 9:25 am

    Not everything is as it seems. America has a long history of stirring up political strife around the world and then pulling out. Korea, Viet Nam Iraq, Afghanistan. As a matter of fact WWII was the last war that we finished. Unfortunately Ukraine is finding out they were just a tool used by the neocons in the U.S. to stop Putin. His crime was making Russia a competitive market country.
    Do I think Putin has the goods on us? Yes I do. Victoria Nuland Under Secretary just admitted that there are bio labs in Ukraine under oath. Then the White House stepped it up by saying that they were afraid that Putin would use bio or chemical weapons if he got them.
    Stop trying to equate this godforsaken mess to not being a good enough Michael Jackson fan.
    It’s time for Zelensky to stop begging for arms and ammunition he’s had an over abundance of them since 2005. He needs to tell the civilian population in Ukraine to run, run as fat a you can to the closest border.
    The following is the transcript of the exchange between Rubio and Nuland:

    Sen. Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

    Victoria Nuland: Ukraine has biological research facilities which, in fact, we’re now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of, so we are working with the Ukrainians on how we can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.

    Sen. Marco Rubio: I’m sure you’re aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they have uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to unleash biological weapons in the country, and with NATO’s coordination.

    If there is a biological or chemical weapon incident or attack inside Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100% it would be the Russians behind it?

    Victoria Nuland: There is no doubt in my mind, senator. And in fact, it is a classic Russian technique to blame the other guy for what they are planning to do themselves.

    The extraordinary admission by Nuland about Ukrainian bioweapons labs confirms reports from Moscow that a military biological program was being operated inside the country by the US. The State Department admission also proves that statements by the Pentagon calling the Russian reports “absurd,” and from the office of Ukrainian President Zelensky denying that such programs existed, were entirely false.

    A report by Reuters on Wednesday morning said, “Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said evidence of the alleged programme had been uncovered by Russia during what it calls its military operation in Ukraine, which its forces invaded on Feb. 24.”

    Reuters reported that Zakharova also said that Russia had “documents showing that the Ukrainian health ministry had ordered the destruction of samples of plague, cholera, anthrax and other pathogens after Feb. 24.” Zakharova said, “We can already conclude that in Ukrainian biological laboratories in direct proximity to the territory of our country, development of components of biological weapons was being carried out.”

    Responding to the exposures, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Tuesday demanded that the US “give a full account” of biological weapons research that the Russians say was being carried out in Ukraine with US funding.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html

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  21. March 9, 2022 5:59 pm

    Oh, how wonderful this political correctness is!

    United Nations advises staff against using ‘war’ or ‘invasion’ regarding Ukraine
    Email on communications policy reminds worker of responsibility to ‘be impartial’

    Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 13:02
    Naomi O’Leary

    People carry a wounded woman during the evacuation by civilians of the city of Irpin, northwest of Kyiv, on Tuesday. Photograph: Getty

    The United Nations’ Department of Global Communications instructed staff of the international organisation not to refer to the situation in Ukraine as a “war” or “invasion”, in a move to balance political sensitivities as powerful member state Russia cracks down domestically on those who use the words.

    Instead, UN staff were instructed to use the terms “conflict” or “military offensive” to describe Russia’s invasion of its neighbour, which has killed hundreds of civilians and forced two million people to flee the country.

    In an email to a staff mailing list on Monday with the subject line “Ukraine crisis communications guidelines”, the director of the United Nations Regional Information Centre instructed employees not to describe the situation as a war and not to add the Ukrainian flag to personal or official social media accounts or websites.

    “Some specific examples of language to use/not use at the moment,” read the email, seen by the Irish Times.

    “Use ‘conflict’ or ‘military offensive’ and NOT ‘war’ or ‘invasion’ when referring to the situation in Ukraine.”

    “Do NOT add the Ukrainian flag to personal or official social media accounts or websites,” the email continued, referring to a practice that has become common to show support for Ukraine.

    ‘Reputational risk’
    “This is an important reminder that we, as international civil servants, have a responsibility to be impartial,” it read. “There is a serious possibility of reputational risk that has been flagged by senior officials recently.”

    UN spokesman Stéphane Dujarric acknowledged the email was sent but denied it was official policy. “I don’t dispute the validity of that email but it can not be considered official policy to staff,” he told The Irish Times.

    A later email sent to UN staff on Tuesday morning, also seen by The Irish Times, suggests the language policy regarding Ukraine was updated to reverse the initial guidance and allow for the use of “war” and “invasion”.

    The UN Spokesperson Twitter account initially described The Irish Times’ reporting as “fake”, before deleting the Tweet.

    The instruction to staff not to use “invasion” and “war” fuelled concern that the organisation was going too far in a bid to avoid offending Russia, a powerful member state that holds one of the five permanent seats on the UN Security Council.

    “It’s hard to believe that the UN could essentially impose the same kind of censorship that the Kremlin imposes inside Russia now by banning the use of the words ‘war’ and ‘invasion’,” wrote Ukrainian foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba. “UN reputation at stake.”

    Russian officials do not use the word “invasion”: the Kremlin’s preferred term to use is “special military operation”, and the regime of Vladimir Putin has taken efforts to enforce this language domestically.

    Two days after Russia launched its offensive, media regulator Roskomnadzor ordered local news outlets to delete reporting that used the words “assault,” “invasion,” or “declaration of war”, or risk being fined or blocked.

    Prison terms
    This was followed by a new law imposing prison terms of up to 15 years for anyone who spreads news deemed to be “fake”, the arrest of thousands of people who protested against the war, the shuttering of two local independent broadcasters, and the blocking of international media websites including the BBC and Deutsche Welle.

    The Soviet Union was a founding member of the United Nations when it was set up with the aim of preventing future wars in the wake of the second World War, and the Russian Federation inherited its seat and permanent UN Security Council (UNSC) membership when the bloc dissolved in 1991.

    As a temporary elected member of the UNCS, Ireland has lobbied for the removal of the veto system that allowed Russia as one of its five permanent members to block a council resolution that would have demanded that Moscow stop its attack on Ukraine and withdraw its troops.

    A resolution demanding Russia’s withdrawal was later overwhelmingly passed by the 193-member General Assembly of the UN, something that is politically significant, but unlike UNSC resolutions cannot be legally binding.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/united-nations-advises-staff-against-using-war-or-invasion-regarding-ukraine-1.4821438

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  22. March 9, 2022 5:11 pm

    War crime after war crime. Dropping a mega bomb next to a maternity hospital.

    Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine@ua_parliament
    #Mariupol. Direct strike of Russian troops at the maternity hospital. People, children are under the wreckage. Atrocity! How much longer will the world be an accomplice ignoring terror? Close the sky right now! Stop the killings! You have power but you seem to be losing humanity.

    Look at the size/depth of the crater.

    After bombing a maternity hospital in Mariupol
    After bombing a maternity hospital in Mariupol
    After bombing a maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine
    After bombing a maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine
    After bombing a maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine

    Can anyone stop the Russian president? – BBC Newsnight
    From 5’19”
    Mar 8, 2022
    Kirsty Wark is joined by former UK ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton and Putin’s former economic policy adviser Andrei Illarionov.

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  23. March 9, 2022 5:01 pm

    I don’t know , what your situation is – Nan

    I don’t know either, but after all I am rather old and don’t care that much anymore…

    but , for the world, it is dire .

    It is dire for all of us, so it is not the right time to be fearful.

    The Ukrainians are fighting like hell and they are fighting for ALL OF US.
    FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!

    This is why it is no time to impose only (half) sanctions and do something anecdotal like taking away a certain oligarch’s yacht but leaving his companies intact. More actions, fewer words.

    This regime is committing crimes not only against Ukraine, but against Russia as well as it plunged its people into the abyss of eternal misery and shame.

    All Russians are damned now because all of us are partaking of the horrible crime of Cain killing his brother Abel, whether we supported it or not.

    It is a true biblical tragedy.
    Our brother’s blood is on our hands now.
    And if any God-abiding Russians are reading this, they should know it!

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  24. Nan permalink
    March 8, 2022 8:50 pm

    Hi
    I haven’t been commenting on here , b/cuz our media, says anyone in Russia, who says, something other than , it’s a special operation in Ukraine against Nazis, or takes a sign to the streets ,will get minimum 15 years in jail..
    So I hesitate to post
    I don’t know , what your situation is, but , for the world, it is dire .

    The people of Ukraine have rallied the world , not against, the country, but the man, and he is just decimating cities , some assume, because he has lost face , and has nothing to lose .

    Also religious issues , that the western world doesn’t understand that, go back ,I guess centuries..
    I saw a long clip of a soldier , Russian leader, who was horrified , to find out what this mission was..
    Seems so many people are related , friends, in love , with each other , between Ukraine and Russia, and Putin is lying to them..

    You are right about mj groups not , noticing , they are missing his most important message , one he has spent ,his entire life advocating for
    Praying for you and all those , around the world, as this is a world crisis ❤

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  25. March 8, 2022 1:17 pm

    Here is a comment for those who think that if more Russians protest against “the special operation” (and authorities in general), it will change the situation for the better. No way.

    A Russian independent sociologist says that the police and security strongmen are most interested in the number of protesters to grow as this is a guarantee for them that they will not be sent to hot spots “where it is really scary”.

    Needless to say, we are interested in exactly the opposite. These days they’ve become so ferocious that they beat even young girls – which is much easier and absolutely safe for them of course.

    “I know that quite a lot of applications have been submitted now for dismissal from the Ministry of Internal Affairs since few of them want to take a risk and go to Ukraine, but during such periods of mobilization their applications may remain unanswered.

    On the other hand, those who look for alternative information on the Internet are ruthlessly expelled from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In these cases not only the employee himself, but also his commanders will be punished – it is “esprit de corps”, the collective responsibility based on a premise that the commanders “overlooked dissent”.

    They, in fact, aren’t able to do anything except dragging people into jail wagons and although their salary is not that fabulous, they hold on to work.

    They are not ready to rebel – at most they will demand compensation for overtime and weekends. They often repeat in interviews and private conversations a thought/hope: “We will always have a job. Any government needs us.”

    The police are most interested in people coming out en masse to anti-war protests, and, probably, exaggerate their number and their danger – this is a guarantee for them that tomorrow they will not be sent to a place where it is really scary.

    But if you want to know if they’re ready to rebel, I don’t think so: they’re too intimidated and servile. And even if they share peaceful slogans in their hearts, these people will be more willing to follow the orders of their superiors than to sabotage them.”
    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/08/omon-nuzhen-liuboi-vlasti

    “Novaya gazeta” whose chief editor is the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize laureate is the only independent media outlet that is still working, though they are not allowed to write anything about the “special operation”. All others are shut down. Twitter and Facebook are unavailable.

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  26. March 5, 2022 7:08 pm

    “They talk about it on the news all day” – Des

    Yes, they talk about it on the news only now, while the “special operation” has been going on for 8 years already and 14,000 Ukrainians died within that period.

    So people could also ask their governments and media where they were before and why no one was paying attention?

    Now things have gone too far and it may also be too late, but in hindsight shouldn’t people realize that “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark?”© and reconsider their earlier views, preferences and support for those who made it happen?

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  27. March 5, 2022 6:48 pm

    “what can we do except donate money and most countries have setup a special account for Ukraine” – Des

    Des, what I mean is that Michael Jackson’s forums don’t touch upon this subject as if it is none of their business. I’ve looked up some bloggers and the MJJCommunity forum today and they certainly do not even mention it.

    I don’t know about the other sources related to Michael Jackson, but the same must be true about the others too.

    And now that I come to think about it, it looks to me somewhat strange.

    The discussion revolves around everything Michael Jackson except his ideals.

    Frankly, I’ve also made this discovery only now and am surprised by it no less than it surprised you.

    Of course, a discussion like that may involve a lot of controversy but there is also a chance that people will learn some truth about the events crucial for the future of the whole world. After all, this is no small matter and it will affect everybody in the long run. There is every sign that it will.

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  28. Des permalink
    March 5, 2022 6:26 pm

    Hi Helena am here and I believe many others are too but what can we do except donate money and most countries have setup a special account for Ukraine , and maybe because we care for you too I don’t want to put you in a position that you have to respond to a comment I feel it’s dangerous if something happens to you we achieved nothing .They talk about it on the news all day we know they showing all day interviews from Ukrainian people and Russian people we know his deceiving his own people and we also know that who ever stands up to Putting am talking about his own people they will pay a heavy price and it’s been happening long before the invasion of Ukraine. We want PEACE like Michael we don’t want a war .We can not have war especially these days we’re fighting each other we are fighting our families , can you imagine a war between Greece and Australia with so many of us are here and we love this country but we also love our country too we all mix now we are all one we don’t want a war. Stay safe we are thinking of you but that does nothing to help you Ukrainians fighting for the freedom but they are Russians who are suffering too of no fault of their own we can not effort to have a war for the humanity and our planet.Stay safe.

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  29. March 5, 2022 6:25 pm

    Question:

    Where is the voice of all those wonderful fans of Michael Jackson – the man who would have been the first to stand against the war and its horrors if he had been alive?

    Aren’t Michael’s fans supposed to be cut from the same cloth as Michael Jackson and share his ideals?

    Or are they paying only lip service to these ideals?

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  30. March 5, 2022 4:58 pm

    A bit of an eye-opening experience:

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  31. March 4, 2022 1:06 pm

    ‘I am a proud Ukrainian’: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher start fundraiser for actress’ native country

    “I have always considered myself an American, a proud American. I love everything that this country has done for myself and my family, but today I have never been more proud to be a Ukrainian,” Mila Kunis says in a video with husband Ashton Kutcher, beginning her plea to help her native country.

    The couple has partnered with Flexport.org and AirBnB.org to set up the Stand with Ukraine GoFundMe to provide aid to the war-torn country.

    Kunis, who was born in Ukraine but came to the States in 1991, is, like many people — particularly those of Ukrainian descent — eager to help the civilians affected by Russia’s unprovoked war on her native land.

    “We’re raising funds to support a relief effort that will have immediate impact and supply much-needed refugee and humanitarian aid to the area,” Kutcher says, emphasizing that they’re focusing on getting housing, supplies, and resources to those in need.

    The pair have decided to match up to $3 million to Flexport.org and AirBnB.org through GoFundMe with a goal of raising $30 million.

    According to the couple, Flexport will be transporting humanitarian aid “directly to known NGOs (non-governmental organization) on the ground,” ensuring that aid is provided to the most in need, while AirBnB will be supporting housing and cost of living to those who have taken in refugees.

    “The people of Ukraine are strong and brave, but being strong and brave doesn’t mean you’re not worthy of support,” Kunis concludes. “We need to support the people of Ukraine. Please help us.”

    To donate to Stand with Ukraine, click here https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-ukraine
    https://ew.com/celebrity/mila-kunis-ashton-kutcher-start-fundraiser-for-ukraine/

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  32. March 4, 2022 10:49 am

    “It’s the Russians and only the Russians who can stop Putin.” – Susanne

    It’s Ukrainians and only Ukrainians who can stop him – if they are given the necessary weapons.

    The majority of Russians are not monsters, but they do not have access to true information and have been brainwashed by the official media for decades. As a result, according to recent polls 71% of Russians are absolutely sure that they are liberating Ukraine from “fascism”.

    These lies are so deeply rooted in their minds that when Ukrainians call their own relatives in Russia and speak to their siblings, the latter claim that those in Ukraine are simply unaware that their leaders are “nazi” (Zelensky is a Jew, by the way), so wait until “our soldiers come and liberate you”.

    Russian TV and all other media feign “resentment” at Ukrainians who allegedly “shell their own cities” and then “shift the blame” onto the Russian side – and viewers and readers believe it. They say that it is impossible that anyone would lie to them that much.

    In their opinion, it is the “nazi” Ukrainian government that “lies” to their population and it is the Ukrainians who are brainwashed. But when they are “liberated from fascism” the poor Ukrainians will learn the “truth”.

    And when someone tells them to look at all the demolition, they start arguing, “don’t you know that it’s the Ukrainian fascists who shell their own civilians and create a humanitarian catastrophe there?” And all of it is said by them in full earnest.

    And now these people will tell on those who oppose the war because they regard them as “traitors” who, in their opinion, are also supporters of “fascism”.

    Susanne called me “alt-right” and now my compatriots will consider me a “fascist”(?) Just because I am against this “special operation”?

    Do you understand now why I HATE LIES SO MUCH? Regarding Michael Jackson or anything at all? Lies destroy reality to a degree when no one understands anything at all, and even nice people turn against other nice people.

    Lies are not innocent fantasies. Everyone should be extremely careful not to come under their spell. LIES KILL, in the literal meaning of the word. Guided by lies, people will do anything at all, and will still think that they are “fighting against evil”. Their awakening will be bitter, of course, but we still have to live to see that happen.

    As to those Russians who oppose this “special operation”, in my humble opinion they should not go for any rallies as now they are facing up to 15 years of imprisonment for that, with all the torture and other horrors that come with it.

    Instead, they should save their lives to be able to take over when lies finally collapse.

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  33. March 4, 2022 10:03 am

    At the moment our pocket parliament has decreed that anyone who spreads “fakes” about the “special and peaceful operation” in Ukraine will be prosecuted and face confinement up to 15 years.

    Anyone who wants to follow such “fake” news may have at a look at currenttime TV on Youtube. They report it every day almost round the clock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4JdzZibn60 The reports are in Russian but at least you will have the pictures.

    P.S. As an example of “true” information from the Russian Ministry of Defense here is their explanation of what happened last night at the Ukrainian nuclear power plant in Zaporozhye:

    • The Ministry of Defense claims that “Ukrainian saboteurs” allegedly attempted a “monstrous provocation” at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, trying to provoke fire on it. “With return fire from small arms, their firing points were suppressed. Leaving the building, the Ukrainian sabotage group set fire to the building,” the department said.

    In other words, the Ukrainians allegedly tried to create a nuclear accident in their own country – as if Chernobyl wasn’t enough for them.

    The video below shows that a location near the power plant (they say it was a training centre) was put on fire by shelling from the outside, presumably by a tank shot.

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  34. March 3, 2022 2:05 pm

    I don’t know whether it is true or not, but some bloggers claim that on March 4, both houses of the Russian parliament will gather for an emergency extraordinary session.
    According to insiders the agenda of the session will be the ‘preventive’ introduction of martial law in Russia. This means a total ban on any rallies, disconnection of any communication with the outside world, extensive food and financial restrictions.

    According to Russian Wiki the introduction of martial law involves:
    • the mobilization and organization of territorial defense,
    • curfew;
    • military censorship of any communications;
    • a ban on rallies and strikes;
    • the establishment of labor duties, forced labor for defense, reconstruction of destroyed facilities and fight against fires and epidemics
    • changes in the regime of labor activity, including the establishment of labor duties mandatory for all citizens aged 14 to 60-65 who were not mobilized for the military service

    During martial law, the following shall not be held:
    • Elections of the President of the Russian Federation;
    • Elections to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation;
    • Elections to local self-governing bodies;
    • Referendums.

    I’m writing this just in case the above is true and I will no longer have an opportunity to communicate with any of you. But I still hope that it is just a rumor. In any case, I will try to keep you informed and will come here at the first opportunity.

    Please support Ukraine.

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  35. susannerb permalink
    March 3, 2022 11:14 am

    Helena, don’t what? I don’t understand. You don’t want me to defend myself and my nation against wrong statements?
    You better ask the Russian people why they don’t go on the streets by the millions to protest against Putin’s war, like the Western Europeans do, instead of making foreign countries responsible for it. It’s the Russians and only the Russians who can stop Putin.

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  36. March 2, 2022 4:30 pm

    Susanne, please don’t.

    All in all, it is not true that the German people changed their mind about Putin only recently. You know it from myself, as we’ve talked about it for years!

    No, I don’t know it.

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  37. susannerb permalink
    March 2, 2022 4:08 am

    Oh Helena, this is a completely wrong assessment. There is a very big misunderstanding about the people talking on Reitschuster’s site, and I can tell you why. Reitschuster became a spokesperson for the Corona deniers in Germany because he doubts Corona as a serious illness (which he is wrong about) and criticises the measures of our government against it. This is why he attracted these corona deniers who usually are people from the far-right spectrum, who are now posting on his site. And these people are also the ones defending Putin. BUT this is a minority. What they say does not represent the German majority, including the mainstream press.
    The statement made by this person you quoted about the ones „loving a strong hand“ is correct, but only about this small far-right minority finding its way to Reitschuster’s site. It is by far not true that this is a common sentiment among the German people. These are only those on the extreme right spectrum, especially in East Germany, and it doesn’t make sense to talk to them. Our society has lost them.
    Reitschuster’s site is definitely not the one to go to to find the common German opinion. We have a new scene in Germany since Corona came up with about 15% of the population denying corona and protesting the government measures. And these people are gathering now with far-right extremists and Nazis on certain sites where they discuss these things (and also have phantasies about overturning our government). But the mainstream, population as well as media, is completely different. Reitschuster became an outsider in the media because of Corona (not because of Putin), and his followers are definitely not representative for the German people.
    To find out about the major German attitude regarding Putin you should go to other mainstream sites, definitely not talking to Reitschuster’s followers. It must be a dilemma for Reitschuster attracting these people, because they are exactly the ones protesting against Corona and our state, but also admire Putin, which should be a problem for him. I wonder how he manages this balancing act.
    All in all, it is not true that the German people changed their mind about Putin only recently. You know it from myself, as we’ve talked about it for years!

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  38. March 1, 2022 6:04 pm

    This will probably be my last post about this “special operation” but besides the devastating news from Ukraine (now they are shelling Kyiv and Kharkiv like crazy), I was also shattered by the way this “operation” is covered by our TV and cannot keep silent.

    I haven’t watched it for a long time, so really didn’t know how bad it is. But now I do understand why my people are so terribly brainwashed. If they see it every day, they are indeed living in a different universe.

    The thing is, our media presents all that shelling and bombardments as if they are done by Ukrainians themselves.

    Here is, for example, their TV report about the early morning shelling of Freedom Square in Kharkiv today, the second biggest city in Ukraine. It is in Russian of course, but I will explain.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1498757688498475016

    “Morning in Kharkiv began with a massive blast near the city’s administration building. According to preliminary information it was an airstrike. We are talking about another provocation by the nazi hitmen.”

    [the screen caption says SITUATION IN UKRAINE: LAWLESSNESS AND BLOODY CHAOS]
    March 1, 2022, Kharkiv

    “In the suburbs you can see the consequences of the night bombardments. The town of Gorlovka is under non-stop shelling. Local authorities report 16 people wounded. The citizens ask the Ukrainian soldiers to leave their town”

    [The viewers hear the voices of people shouting “the basements of our homes are crowded with people”]

    “And this is the footage of the Russian special operation in the city of Kherson. The infantry enters the city first in order to provide security for the motorized column following them. The Ukrainian authorities are asking the West to increase the supply of weapons, anti-tank missiles and portable anti-aircraft missile complexes”.

    [The camera shows the streets demolished by (Russian) missiles prior to their entry. The caption on the screen says: THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES ASK THE WEST FOR MORE WEAPONS]

    “Another special operation, now in the field of information, is beginning to unfold on the Internet. It gets more and more difficult to tell the truth from lies. The information attacks are aimed at inciting hatred”

    [The screen caption says: INTERNET FAKES ARE AIMED AT INCITING HATRED]

    “In these shots – by means of simple technical manipulations – Ukraine turned its own military vehicles into the military equipment of the enemy. These videos were made public already in 2014”.

    [On the screen you see some burned military vehicles, the caption says that the photos were taken in Donbass, the east of Ukraine, in 2014].

    “With every new day more and more Ukrainian soldiers do not want to take part in killing peaceful civilians and prefer to lay down their arms”

    [On the screen you see some soldiers, one of them is holding a cross in his hands and a priest seems to give them a blessing]

    “The soldiers of the Ukrainian army who refused to fight were taken to the Alley of Angels in Donesk and its memorial erected to commemorate the children who died for the last 8 years under the incessant shelling and bombardment of Donbass”

    [On the screen you see a list of children who died in 2014 when the Ukrainian army answered the shelling from Donbass. For more casualties the Donbass “separatists” deliberately placed their artillery within the residential areas. The Ukrainians never, ever shelled Donbass on their own. Later some of those “separatists” openly admitted that they had to simulate shelling from the Ukrainian side as a pretext for their own attacks]

    “Ukraine has allowed a visa-free entry to foreigners who come to Ukraine to fight. The whole country is immersed in chaos and murder of civilians because of the uncontrolled distribution of guns to everyone willing to take them”

    [On the screen you see Kiev and the tracing of bullets in a street fight with some Russian units that infiltrated it at night. The caption says, SITUATION IN UKRAINE: LAWLESSNESS AND BLOODY CHAOS]

    I really don’t know how sick people should be to present Ukrainians as someone able to bombard their own cities. This is the reason our media “has to” call them nazis. And this is why the majority of the Russian population do believe that Ukrainians commit horrible atrocities against their own people and therefore need “liberation”. And when those young soldiers find themselves on Ukrainian soil and are taken prisoners there they are extremely surprised that they are being treated like human beings.

    Oh God, I really didn’t expect anything like that…

    And here is the truth. Not because it is reported by some foreign media outlet, but because it is simply the truth.

    Ukraine invasion: CCTV shows a missile strike on a government building in Kharkiv – causing huge explosion
    Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskyy called Russia’s strike on central Kharkiv and the administration building a “war crime and a conscious destruction of people”.

    Lucia Binding
    Tuesday 1 March 2022 14:19, UK

    Play Video – Missile targets Freedom Square

    A missile has caused extensive damage to a government building in central Kharkiv, in Eastern Ukraine

    Shocking CCTV footage has captured the moment a missile strikes a government building in Kharkiv, causing a huge explosion and extensive damage.

    Russian artillery targeted residential areas and the administration building in Ukraine’s second-largest city as Moscow started day six of its invasion.

    Oleg Synegubov, head of the Kharkiv regional state administration, said Russia launched GRAD and cruise missiles on Kharkiv, but insisted that the city’s defence was holding to protect its population of 1.5 million people.

    Image:
    Ukrainian emergency workers inside the damaged after shelling City Hall building in Kharkiv

    Sky News has verified the clip which captures a missile striking the Kharkiv Region State Administration Building on Freedom Square at around 8am local time.

    It showed a massive explosion next to the towering Soviet-era administrative building which struck several cars parked in front of it and shattered windows.

    When paused, an incoming projectile can be seen above the building before impact.

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-invasion-cctv-shows-a-missile-strike-on-a-government-building-in-kharkiv-causing-huge-explosion-12554625

    P.S.
    The curfew ended in Kharkiv at 08.00 am. All those cars and people just emerged from the shelters. The missile struck at 08:01 am.

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  39. March 1, 2022 5:30 pm

    “There is no need to presume that we are not well informed about the war in Ukraine, Helena. We have a free press and it is completely dominated by the war now.” – Susannerb

    Susanne, I don’t presume anything. I simply know that the German press have changed their narrative, but not that long ago and only when the aggression started. Before that the trend was completely different and I have personally tried to argue with some German people on Boris Reitschuster’s site and was appalled to see that most of the commentators blamed Ukraine for what is being done to it now. Many said that it was the answer for “what they did to the children in Donbass”.
    Frankly, I had the impression that they were repeating the official Russian propaganda word for word. And said it to them, but got several dislikes in reply. Only a couple of people agreed with me then. And all of them, same as me, had a hard time arguing with the others.
    When I wondered why so many of them were still in doubt, one of the few Germans who supported me answered the following:

    Diese Leute sind nicht im Zweifel – sie relativieren nur die Tatsache, daß Putin einen Krieg begonnen hat. In Deutschland gibt es nur wenige wirklich liberale Leute. Die meisten lieben eine starke Hand. Aber wenn sie sie haben, ist es auch wieder nicht recht. Sie verurteilen die deutsche Regierung für ihr autokratisches Vorgehen und sehnen sich nach Putin. Mehr muß man wohl nicht schreiben, oder?

    I could read it only in a Google translation which is as follows:

    These people are not in doubt – they only relativize the fact that Putin has started a war. In Germany there are only a few truly liberal people. Most love a strong hand. But if they have them, it’s not right again. They condemn the German government for its autocratic approach and yearn for Putin. That’s all you have to write, do you?

    So now I understand that it was a more or less common sentiment among the German people. But I am happy that they have begun to see reason at last. In the same way my compatriots will probably see the truth one day too. But our media have not changed their narrative, and I am afraid that our population continues to live in a different universe.

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  40. susannerb permalink
    March 1, 2022 11:18 am

    There is no need to presume that we are not well informed about the war in Ukraine, Helena. We have a free press and it is completely dominated by the war now. All our newspapers, TV channels, online news etc. are only reporting about the war on all aspects. Programs are changed and special broadcasts are aired over the whole day. There is a wealth of reporting, and there is nothing but disgust for Putin’s aggression. Our European countries are united in protest.
    In Germany and all over the world hundreds of thousands of people are on the streets to protest against Putin and his war. In Germany the carnival parades were cancelled and transformed into peace demonstrations against the war: https://www.rnd.de/panorama/duesseldorf-karneval-umzugswagen-mit-putin-karikatur-rollt-durch-stadt-MJLH6FREUBZRDFKXMDD535RLAY.html
    The picture shows a cart with a Putin figure trying to eat Ukraine. The writing says: “Choke on it!”

    All the people are shocked and disgusted about Putin’s aggression. The only ones still defending him are the followers of the far-right parties (still a minority).
    Here is just one article in German on Putin’s extreme right shadow army: https://www.belltower.news/gruppe-wagner-putins-rechtsextreme-schattenarmee-128487/?fbclid=IwAR1lwBnY7SGDCJz_t8v3ssHmtkiw1dxAOP5d_OWGVS6vAlwGYOZonGCiSxk (check the links).
    Here is one in English: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/volodymyr-zelensky-russian-mercenaries-ordered-to-kill-ukraine-president-cvcksh79d
    and one in Russian: https://www-fontanka-ru.translate.goog/2016/03/28/171/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    Here is a positive one on the arrival of 167 children with 30 adults in Southern Germany from a children’s home near Kyiv which was located between 3 airports and was in danger from the first day. They immediately organized for their escape with German helpers and had a horrible journey until they arrived. Thank God they are safe now: https://latestpagenews.com/news/found-a-place-in-your-heart-167-children-arrived-in-freiburg-from-a-ukrainian-home/

    I pray for this war to end immediately and for the Russian people to wake up and see the truth. And I hope very much that you can remain in access to the necessary news channels, Helena. But MoJo is right: It could become too risky for Helena to continue with this subject here. So this will be my only contribution to this matter here.

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  41. MoJo permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:36 am

    Kyiv. Yes, the British newspapers unilaterally started to use the Ukrainian spelling the day the tanks went in. Some were already doing so but not all because, well, we’re a lazy bunch over here in the UK. But it’s Kyiv all the way now.

    Across the last few days I’ve seen on-the-ground reports from:
    Kyiv
    Kharkiv
    Dnipro
    Lysychansk
    Luhansk
    Bakhmut
    Kherson
    Lviv
    Chortkiv

    Raclawowka – in Poland

    Also, Korczowa which seems to straddle the Ukraine – Poland border, as far as I can tell.

    Indirect reports from many other Ukraine locations. Direct reports from Moscow and St Petersburg re protests. Ditto Berlin. Ukrainians protesting in London.

    Tons of analysis. Loads of photos. Rest assured, Helena, this is being exhaustively covered from every angle – political, economic, strategic, military. And that’s just me reading newspapers. I don’t go online or watch tv or listen to the radio but there is full-on mass coverage of this.

    And I know we live in a digital world, I know I’m in a minority sticking to newspapers. But the newspapers have been selling out like crazy these past few days. I have to go out much earlier now to get my papers. We see what’s happening. The world can see this.

    The British MSM is usually pretty good at this sort of thing. I’m cynical about media integrity and not just because of Michael. But I usually feel cautiously optimistic that they are being reliable when they have to cover international situations like this. It’s frustrating because they do seem to display at least a modicum of integrity but then you look at what they did (and continue to do) to Michael. I know it’s different journalists. A Foreign Correspondent isn’t going to be writing about Michael but, even so …

    Stay strong, my dear.

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  42. February 28, 2022 8:13 am

    And one more thing. It turned out that Ukraine had been long infiltrated with Russian special forces agents who now leave special symbols all over Ukrainian streets and roofs of houses, place multi-colored ribbons on trees by the roads, etc. Look up this article, for example:

    Russia invades Ukraine: Secret symbols seen in Ukraine point to escalation of violence
    27 Feb, 2022 08:09 PM
    Russian forces failed to break through into Ukraine’s capital on Sunday, but residents are bracing for another night of attacks. Video / BBC

    news.com.au
    By Jamie Seidel
    Collaborators. Infiltrators. Special forces agents. The signs of a secret war are springing up throughout Ukraine. And erasing them may be a matter of life and death.

    Some look like everyday street work marks. Others are invisible except under UV light. Then there are the tiny key lights and radio beacons.

    All are designed to guide Russian troops, drones and artillery operators to their targets.

    Ukraine’s defence ministry has put out a warning to all citizens: Find them and remove them.

    “City officials are urging citizens to immediately report tagged locations, submit photos to law enforcement, and report suspects who may be involved in tagging,” Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko appealed this morning.

    As Russian forces struggle to encircle the capital, secret symbols reportedly spring up everywhere.
    secret symbols in Ukrainian streets

    Secret symbols are being seen in Ukraine. Residents are being urged to cover them with dirt. Photo / Twitter

    “In Ukraine, in the capital in particular, the number of detected marks of saboteurs who leave directly on the streets and buildings of both residential buildings and businesses has increased,” Mayor Klitschko says. “Labels are placed to adjust the fire of the occupying forces of the Russian Federation.”
    secret symbols placed by special agents in Ukraine
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-invades-ukraine-secret-symbols-seen-in-ukraine-point-to-escalation-of-violence/ZRZPD5W7WRAWD3U32C4PHB273I/

    Ukrainians have found certain ways to fight these infiltrators.

    Firstly, all of them are bilingual (Ukrainian, Russian) and began speaking Ukrainian with strangers. If these strangers cannot pronounce properly certain “check” words in Ukrainian this easily betrays them to be foreign agents.

    Secondly, they began spreading flour on the stairs leading to the roofs of their houses to detect any footsteps leading upwards.

    Thirdly, they cover those signs with paint but this measure didn’t turn out to be that effective – the signs are still seen at night as no one knows what those marks were made with (fluorescent colors? radioactive?). Hence the recommendation to cover them with dirt.

    Another measure is announcing a curfew. All Ukrainians strictly keep to it, so that any strangers in the streets become visible. Their documents are checked up by volunteers working as civil defense.

    In short, it is also a guerilla war.

    P.S. Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipro is the way these cities are spelled in English following the Ukrainian pronunciation (in contrast to Kiev, Kharkov and Dnepr in Russian pronunciation of the same). I’ve also begun to stick to the Ukrainian variant 🙂

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  43. February 28, 2022 7:34 am

    And there is one more important thing.
    If anyone wants to help the Ukrainian doctors to save the lives of their own citizens (and Russian wounded soldiers too) here is a link to where you can donate: https://savelife.in.ua/ru/donate/ The affiliated site is also called “Return Alive”.

    Now it doesn’t open for me any longer because it was blocked in Russia – it says Error 512, but it is probably functioning for you.
    Our regime announced that any funds transfer to provide financial or any material help to Ukraine will be regarded as “treason” :((
    They say that our TV is all fun, music, shows, etc. as usual. I don’t watch.

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  44. February 28, 2022 7:06 am

    “The newspaper coverage in the UK has been pretty good, I would say.” Mojo

    AT LAST! It is incredible that it took just one person to make the media tell the truth at last. And rally around really essential matters and not some made-up issues created out of thin air.

    “you know, low-profile is also good. Whatever feels right for you, obvs.”

    I also feel that now that your media began telling the truth it is not that necessary for me to inform you in any way. But I will probably still post some important analytics that could be overlooked by the media.

    For example, here is one regarding the nuclear threat blackmail from Mr. Pu:

    Putin Threatening US With ‘Nuclear Blackmail’
    (Newsmax/”Wake Up America”)
    By Eric Mack | Sunday, 27 February 2022 10:59 AM

    As NATO activates its response force for the first time in history, Russia’s Vladimir Putin has put his nuclear deterrent forces on ready, leaving the world on the verge of a nuclear showdown, according to former Putin economic adviser Andrei Illarionov to Newsmax.

    “This particular decision is not in response to the situation in Ukraine, not even what is going on in Ukraine right now, but as a response to American readiness to apply to sanctions,” Illarionov, now a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C., told Sunday’s “Wake Up America.” “The situation now is unbelievably grave.”

    The move is “incomparable” to any nuclear threat the world has faced to date, and the U.S. and NATO must respond in kind immediately, Illarionov told co-host Amanda Brilhante.

    “If the United States will not respond with adequate reaction to this decision, it means not only Ukraine but the whole Europe and at some point the United States will be under nuclear threat, direct nuclear threat,” Illarionov said in a dire warning.

    “That is why United States and NATO countries need to respond immediately, right now, to this nuclear blackmail of Putin.”

    Brilhante asked what the response should look like.

    “That should be exactly the same,” he said. “It should be putting all nuclear arsenal of the United States and NATO on the highest alert – at least equal response to what Putin has done.”

    Even that move, Illarionov lamented, will not “stop” Putin’s aggression, but it will cause him to “think at little bit of possible consequences”.

    “This absolutely changes the whole game,” he said, adding Putin is steadfast in his designs to reconstitute the old Soviet Union.

    “His goal is not Ukraine,” he continued. “His goal is the 1997 line in Europe, which means half of Europe will be under his sphere of influence. But to get this, he needs to humiliate the United States and NATO, and he’s doing exactly that right now.”

    Short of an immediate and reciprocal response from the U.S. and NATO, “Putin will proceed with his plan” and his next actions will be unable to “predict,” he said.

    “I am sorry but all these sanctions, even closing the airspace, is already too late,” Illarionov stressed with an urgency in his remarks. Putin launched an absolutely new level of the geopolitical game. It is absolutely a different quality.”

    There is just no choice now, he warned.

    “If you don’t use nuclear deterrent, Putin will use nuclear threat and nuclear blackmail against anyone, including the United States. He is already using against the United States this nuclear threat right now.”
    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/vladimirputin-invasion-nuclear-deterrent/2022/02/27/id/1058716/

    P.S. In my humble opinion no other country (except Ukraine) is under the threat of Putin using nuclear weapons. China will interfere and will not allow it to happen. They’ve been building their economic empire for so long not to readily give it up and perish within seconds. They will surely prevent or at least stop it and emerge victorious in every respect to become the absolute leader of the world.

    I first realized it when the Chinese – someone not from mainland China as I hear – posted this video 10 years ago, with the Russian old march “Farewell of Slavianka” (loose translation “Farewell, Motherland”) accompanying it. This is an incredible prediction made in 2012:

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  45. MoJo permalink
    February 28, 2022 2:21 am

    Helena, so glad you’re OK. So glad.

    Des makes a good point. Maybe we shouldn’t get into discussions about this on your blog. I can understand why you post stuff, it’s FYI and it’s useful. The newspaper coverage in the UK has been pretty good, I would say. I always read newspapers (look, I’m very old-school, OK? lol) across the political spectrum and the coverage on this seems balanced and they’re getting stuff pretty quick. It was interesting to me to see how much stuff they had that matched the info you were putting out. Where they do lag behind, it’s usually only by a day.
    The mobile crematorium story was reported a few days ago so I think they are not doing too badly, staying on top of events as they occur. There are lots of journalists on the ground in various parts of Ukraine – Kyiv, Kharkiv (sp?), Dnipro (sp?), er, various other places but I definitely can’t remember the correct spellings. But my point is, the picture is quite detailed cos the journalists are not just in one place, they are all over.

    And most people, I’m sure, are going online for their updates. It’s probably just me with the stack of newspapers in the corner!

    The stuff you have posted, I have found it interesting and useful (and shocking, too, of course) but, you know, low-profile is also good. Whatever feels right for you, obvs.

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  46. Des permalink
    February 27, 2022 10:36 pm

    Helena I am thinking of you all the time we are thinking of you you should know that but you all in danger there and you too I feel that someone is watching you and you putting your life in harms way, maybe you feel like you need to do something and most of us feel the same something has to be done but what when you have to do with a crazy and sick person, you are there you leaving it us we turn off the technology and have a break but we do want to know no country is safe these days it can happen to anyone we have to stick together for peace and love and fight evil for us for our children and our Children’s children.Please stay safe.

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  47. Nan permalink
    February 27, 2022 9:44 pm

    I’m so glad to see you on here Helena
    I tried to email you and hadn’t heard back, so I was concerned …
    I’ve seen the pictures of the traveling crematoriums.., all the destruction..
    People are just sickened ,not only by the attack, on Ukraine , but by how callous Mr Putin is with his own people /soldiers

    Unbelievable , loved ones will have no idea what happened to family members .,
    I had heard also, Russian soldiers were not told , what was taking place .
    They had video of a soldier who was captured crying , because people were asking him , why he is attacking them , in their own country
    They are pawns in this thing too.
    I’m praying for an end to this , for both Ukraine and the Russian people, you and your family

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  48. February 27, 2022 8:43 pm

    First Soviet-born citizen to be commissioned an officer in the U.S. armed forces, currently in Ukraine
    Feb. 27, 2022 – 5:22 – Retired U.S. Navy Captain Gary Tabach, the first Soviet-born citizen to be commissioned an officer in the U.S. armed forces, weighs in on Putin’s nuclear threat and Ukraine’s defenses.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6299055363001#sp=show-clips

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  49. February 27, 2022 8:10 pm

    And now comes the worst part of it. As you probably know the Russian regime imposed censorship and does not allow to use the word “war” with regard to what is being done to Ukraine now. Officially it is called “a special operation” only and they threaten to shut down every media outlet that will use the forbidden word.

    At first, it looked like just another of their mad ideas.

    But Lev Schosberg, a deputy of the Pskov Regional Assembly of Deputies in Russia gave an explanation that made my hair stand on end. This is what he wrote on Facebook yesterday:

    Yesterday at 18:36 •
    It is important to understand that this time, apparently, no funerals of the dead are planned (link 1),
    no bodies in coffins are going to be taken to Russia, farewells and funerals are not going to be held. No one will come to the funeral, no one will see the graves (2).
    The “lesson” of the year 2014 (3) was taken into account crudely and primitively: now the last place of the body of the deceased soldier will be a mobile crematorium (4).
    Relatives will be informed that the man “died during his military service” “outside the places of permanent deployment” (5).
    And where the ashes will be scattered, only the participants of the special operation will know.
    The war is not officially recognized by Russia, respectively, Putin’s Decree (6) on the classification of combat losses in peacetime will be applied.
    The Supreme Court legalized this in 2015 (7).

    I do not rule out that the relatives of the deceased will have to subscribe (this is absolutely illegal, but they will have to) to non-disclosure of information about the death of a relative, “based on the interests of the Russian Federation.”

    The links:
    1. Appeal of the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Iryna Vereshchuk to the International Red Cross to help with the return of the bodies of thousands of dead Russian servicemen to their homeland: http://surl.li/blonv
    2. A deputy’s request for the procurator’s investigation of the death of servicemen of the Russian Federation, 2014: https://shlosberg.ru/?zaprosy_deputata=22
    3. About the prosecutor’s check on the death of servicemen of the Russian Federation, 2014: https://gubernia.media/number_709/05.php
    4. Russia deploys mobile crematoriums: https://www.mirror.co.uk/…/russia-deploys-mobile…
    5. The Main Military Prosecutor’s Office confirmed the death of Pskov paratroopers “outside the places of permanent deployment”: https://gubernia.media/number_716/02.php
    6. Vladimir Putin declared information about the losses of the Russian Armed Forces in peacetime a state secret: https://gubernia.media/number_743/01.php
    7. The Supreme Court of Russia agreed that the combat losses of the army in peacetime can be a state secret: https://gubernia.media/number_753/01.php

    A mobile crematorium
    A mobile crematorium

    The original text: https://www.facebook.com/lev.shlosberg/posts/5277792085565131

    Let me also add that Lev Schosberg investigated similar cases regarding the death of soldiers from his Pskov region back in 2014 when the war against Ukraine only started, so his conclusion is not just a fantastic story but may become a grim reality.

    The war which is not officially recognized.

    And there is one more side to the story – the dead conscripts can be also declared “missing” and consequently, their families will not be entitled to any monetary compensation.

    This is why the Ukrainian officials appealed to the International Committee of the Red Cross with a request to take care of the Russian dead.

    Yesterday the Russian Ministry of Defense admitted that there was one casualty on their side and today they admitted more but said that the number was minimal.

    Monsters.

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  50. February 27, 2022 7:52 pm

    There is so much to say that I don’t even know where to start.
    The world media has begun reporting the situation around Ukraine fairly adequately (as far as I know), so much of the news can be drawn from other sources. Here is a video dated Feb.26, 2022 by Sky news for example:

    And here is a link to Ukraine’s news in short in English and other languages: https://twitter.com/ukraine_world

    But I would like to draw your attention to one Ukrainian site which is something extraordinary by any standard. It is called “The Dead of the Russian Federation 18+” https://t.me/s/umer_RF

    The thing is that for the first three days of the war the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that there were zero casualties among Russian soldiers, while Ukrainians said that the number of the dead and wounded (who are by the way treated now in Ukrainian hospitals! )on the Russian side is already more than 3500.

    The first Russian prisoners of war revealed a surprising thing – many of the soldiers are just conscripts born in 2000-2002, and if we are to believe them, they were told that they would be taking part in military exercises in Belarus. Their parents have no idea where their sons are as they were informed that they were on the move to some other regions within Russia.

    So this is what Ukrainian site says:

    “Project @umer_RF was created in order to convey information to the relatives of Russian servicemen who died as a result of the military invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.
    The huge demand for information about the dead Russian soldiers forced us to create this site about the soldiers who were captured by the Ukrainian armed forces or defense units. These soldiers are completely demoralized: they were told that they would take part in military exercises and in completely different areas. Relatives still think that their sons serve in the safe regions of the Russian Federation. Many of the colleagues of these captured servicemen died during the battles with the defenders of Ukrainian cities. According to official data of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the number of the dead among Russian troops has already exceeded 2800 people.
    Those who died as a result of tank explosions are almost unrecognizable, so the families of Russian soldiers serving in tank troops are advised to check the presence of their relatives in the units where they do military service.”

    https://t.me/umer_RF/16

    Then they provide the lists of names known to them, and the photos of the prisoners-of-war, so that the Russian families can search and find information on their site.

    Needless to say, the official Russian sources do not inform the families of anything at all, do not admit their dead and have already denied access to another site that provided similar information.

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  51. February 27, 2022 6:36 pm

    MoJo, thank you that you care. Everything is OK – if anything can be OK in this situation. Twitter and Internet have worked surprisingly well today, so I followed various online streams practically non-stop. The morning was worrisome as some Ukrainian cities were under horrible shell fire and then captured, but later Ukrainians regained most of them.
    But this night is going to be hell again.

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  52. MoJo permalink
    February 27, 2022 7:26 am

    Helena has gone awfully quiet. Is it just me or is anyone else a bit worried? I’m sure she’s fine but … I dunno, the silence is a bit eerie.

    I went on VMJ at 5.15 a.m. (UK time, Sunday 27/02/22) and there were no new posts from her. Now it’s 12.22pm (GMT), still nothing.

    I Googled a bit, she’s right, there was some off / on with Russia’s FB and Twitter. No idea about the internet generally, though. When Helena is posting we know she’s active and that’s reassuring but now …

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  53. February 26, 2022 3:26 pm

    Twitter has been on and off in Russia today.
    They say that Facebook and Instagram are not working either.
    I’m afraid that they are going to cut off the Internet in Russia altogether.

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  54. February 26, 2022 3:02 pm

    Kyiv battle: Latest updates as Russian forces ‘frustrated’ by ‘determined resistance’ of Ukrainian forces, US says
    LATEST UPDATES President Volodymyr Zelensky told Ukrainians: “We’ve derailed their plan.”
    Debris and rubble are seen near an apartment building damaged by recent shelling in Kyiv, Ukraine February 26, 2022.

    By Poppy Wood
    February 26, 2022 7:47 am(Updated 6:13 pm)

    Russian troops are “becoming increasingly frustrated” by the determined resistance of Ukrainian forces, the US has said, after Kremlin soldiers failed to capture Kyiv on Saturday.

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces said there were “heavy battles ongoing” in parts of the capital this afternoon, while “active combat” was taking place in some streets.

    At least two people were killed after an airstrike hit an apartment building in Kyiv overnight, while six people were seriously injured.

    But Russian tanks have so far failed to enter the city centre as Ukrainian forces continue to mount a significant resistance.

    A senior US defence official said Vladimir Putin’s troops are becoming increasingly angry at what the White House believes is a “viable” defence from Ukrainian forces.

    “We know that they have not made the progress that they have wanted to make, particularly in the north. They have been frustrated by what they have seen is a very determined resistance,” the official said. “It has slowed them down.”

    It comes as:

    – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said his troops have “derailed” Russia’s plans
    – 198 Ukrainians have been killed by Russian forces, including three children, according to Ukraine’s Health Minister. A further 1,115 have been wounded
    – An estimated 3,500 Russian soldiers have been killed and 200 taken prisoner
    – Europe is preparing for an influx of refugees, with more than 100,000 arriving in Poland yesterday alone. The UN has predicted that Russia’s invasion could force 4 million Ukrainians to flee
    – A Russian cargo ship was seized in the Channel by French police on Saturday. Officials said it could belong to a Russian company suspected of violating trade sanctions linked to the war in Ukraine

    Riho Terras, a member of the European Parliament and Estonia’s former defence chief, added that Ukrainian intelligence suggested Mr Putin is “furious” at how the past few days have played out.

    “He thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in one to four days,” he wrote on Twitter. “If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations.”

    In a speech to the Ukrainian public this afternoon, President Volodymyr Zelensky said: “We’ve derailed their plan,” adding that troops had so far succeeded in slowing the advance of Russian tanks into the city.

    The Ukrainian leader scrambled to assemble an army on Friday to resist incoming Russian troops, issuing a decree that banned all Ukrainian men between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country.

    The decree saw civilians flock to armouries to collect assault rifles last night, while others heeded Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko’s calls to prepare petrol bombs to fight off Russian ground troops.

    However, he warned that the Ukrainian army needed international assistance and issued a plea for people from abroad to join the fight “directly”.

    “Every friend of Ukraine who wants to join Ukraine in defending the country please come over, we will give you weapons,” he said in a fresh address.

    The UK Ministry of Defence said today that “the bulk of Russian forces” are now around 19 miles from Kyiv’s city centre, as they “continue their advance” towards the capital.

    A view of a high-rise apartment block which was hit by recent shelling in Kyiv on February 26, 2022. (Photo by GENYA SAVILOV / AFP)
    Kyiv Feb.26, 2022

    The area southwest of Kyiv was struck this morning by two missiles, with pictures showing significant damage to a residential tower block.

    It comes despite promises from Russian President Vladimir Putin that he would not target civilians. The Kremlin leader was accused of war crimes yesterday following harrowing reports that Russia had shelled an orphanage and kindergarten in Volzel, just outside Kyiv.

    Authorities imposed a curfew from 5pm to 8am across the capital, replacing a previous curfew from 10pm to 7am.

    The city’s mayor warned that “all civilians on the street during the curfew will be considered members of the enemy’s sabotage and reconnaissance groups.”

    Road signs are reportedly being removed in Kyiv to avoid helping Russian soldiers navigate through the city.

    People were seen making Molotov cocktails in Dnipro, southwest of Kyiv, on Saturday as they prepared fight off Russian troops advancing towards the capital.

    Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council, said the Ukrainian army was in “control” of the situation in Kyiv, adding: “We are stopping the horde using all means available.”

    Timeline of overnight fighting
    Midnight

    President Zelensky appeared on social media shortly after midnight, warning his people that the coming hours would be decisive.

    “Tonight, the enemy will use all the forces available to break our resistance — treacherously, viciously, inhumanly,” he said.

    3am

    Heavy fighting broke out in Vasylkiv, 20 miles south of the capital. Mr Putin’s forces tried to gain a foothold in the region from which they could launch their attack on Kyiv.

    A fierce battle saw a Russian IL-76 military transporter plane brought down — reportedly with 150 paratroopers on board.

    4am

    A second Russian IL-76 was brought down in the city of Bila Tserkva, south of Kyiv, according to reports. Ukraine’s military said it also downed a Sukhoi Su-25 fighter jet and a helicopter in the east of the country.

    5am

    Russian troops tried to breach the capital from the north of the city, launching an attack on the suburb of Troieshchyna — the site of a thermal power station.

    Dramatic footage showed explosions near the Beresteiska subway station, towards the edge of the city. Locals living along Prospekt Peremohy Avenue — Kyiv’s main highway running east to west — shared images on social media of vehicles on fire.

    7am

    Ukraine’s army announced that the Russians had suffered heavy overnight losses, with 3,500 soldiers killed and 200 taken prisoner.

    8am

    President Zelensky posted a video of him walking through the streets of Kyiv to dispel rumours that he had fled the city.

    Ukraine’s interior ministry warned people to stay indoors, saying active battles were taking place on the streets of Kyiv.

    Russian troops outside of Kyiv
    However away from Kyiv the picture is still uncertain, as Russian media reported this morning that Kremlin troops have captured the city of Melitopol in Ukraine’s southern region of Zaporizhzhya.

    Melitopol is a medium-size city near the key Ukrainian port of Mariupol, with an estimated population of 150,000. Russian troops reportedly launched an airstrike on a hospital in the region this morning.

    Mr Putin’s army is also understood to have launched missiles at Ukraine from the Black Sea, as the Kremlin continues to consolidate its occupation in the south of the country.

    TOPSHOT – A woman with a child walks in front of a damaged residential building at Koshytsa Street, a suburb of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, where a military shell allegedly hit, on February 25, 2022.

    – Russian forces reached the outskirts of Kyiv on Friday as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the invading troops were targeting civilians and explosions could be heard in the besieged capital. Pre-dawn blasts in Kyiv set off a second day of violence after Russian President Vladimir Putin defied Western warnings to unleash a full-scale ground invasion and air assault on Thursday that quickly claimed dozens of lives and displaced at least 100,000 people.

    Kyiv, Feb.25, 2022
    A woman with a child walks in front of a damaged residential building at Koshytsa Street, a suburb of the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv

    The Pentagon released a statement last night stating that Russia had launched an amphibious assault to the west of Mariupol in eastern Ukraine on Friday afternoon in the hopes of placing thousands of naval forces there.

    Russia has so far established attack lines into three Ukrainian cities — Kyiv in the north, Kharkiv in the northeast and Kherson in the south. Ukrainian troops are fighting to hold all three.

    It is feared that the more resistance Russian troops meet in attempts to close in on the capital, the more the Kremlin will use brutal, indiscriminate force and step up attacks across the country.

    West ramps up support

    Protesters took to city centres across the globe on Saturday to condemn the Russian invasion, including London, Tokyo, Milan, Helsinki, Bern and Tallinn.

    In Poland, hundreds of people queued up outside the Liga Stadium in Warsaw to donate blood for Ukrainian soldiers.

    Western leaders also rallied to support Ukraine on Saturday, with Turkey’s Foreign Ministry urging Russia to halt its military operations.

    Hungary also agreed to block Russia from the Swift global payment system, after days of refusing to do so. The decision paves the way for an EU-wide ban on Russia using the payment platform, as Hungary was the only remaining country blocking the move.

    Boris Johnson reiterated Britain’s support for Ukraine in a phone call with Mr Zelensky last night, alongside a direct address to both the Russian and Ukrainian people.

    “I do not believe this war is in your name,” he told the Russian nation in an attempt at their language.

    The Prime Minister said scenes unfolding in the streets and fields of Ukraine were “nothing short of a tragedy,” adding that the world has not witnessed such bloodshed in Europe since World War II.

    “‘Brave young soldiers and innocent civilians are being cut down, tanks are rumbling through towns and cities, missiles raining indiscriminately from the skies,” he added. “We hoped we would never have to see such sights again.”

    Mr Johnson announced last night that the UK will “imminently” level personal sanctions against President Putin and his Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Both the US and the EU have done the same.

    Mr Zelensky is understood to have rejected an offer last night from US President Joe Biden to be evacuated from Kyiv amid fears that Russian special forces are currently hunting him down.

    A senior US intelligence official quoted Mr Zelensky as saying that “the fight is here” and that he needed anti-tank ammunition “not a ride.”

    Italy, Feb.26, 2022
    A demonstrator holds a placard during an anti-war protest, after Russia launched a massive military operation against Ukraine, in Milan, Italy, February 26, 2022. REUTERS/Flavio Lo Scalzo

    The Ukrainian President also posted a self-shot video of himself on Twitter this morning walking around the streets of Kyiv in an apparent effort to combat rumours that he has called on the Ukrainian army to surrender to Russian troops.

    “There’s a lot of fake information online that I call on our army to lay down arms, and that there’s evacuation,” he said against a backdrop of Kyiv’s Gorodetsky House. “I’m here. We won’t lay down our arms. We will defend our state.”

    In a surprise move last night, China weighed in on the situation and urged Russia to negotiate with its former Soviet neighbour. President Xi Jinping, one of Mr Putin’s closest allies, released a statement saying: “China supports Russia and Ukraine in resolving the issue through negotiation.”

    Chinese state media outlet Xinhua News also chose to share a video this morning of a defiant Mr Zelensky and Ukrainian Government ministers outside the Parliament building in Kyiv vowing to fight for their country.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/world/kyiv-battle-latest-updates-ukrainian-forces-repel-russian-assault-capital-vicious-street-fighting-1485924

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  55. February 26, 2022 1:13 pm

    There are NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE FEROCITY OF THE FIGHT IN THE SUBURBS OF KHARKIV now.
    Right now, in the evening of February 26, 2022:

    ~
    Similar multiple rocket shelling has been going on in another region for the second day in a row.

    In Volnovakha, Donetsk region, 15 civilians were killed in a strike by Russia’s Grad multiple rocket launchers and artillery.
    That’s according to the chief of the Donetsk military-civil regional administration, Pavlo Kyrylenko, who issued a statement via Facebook, Ukrinform reports.
    “In Volnovakha, on which the Russians are firing from Grads and artillery for the second day in a row, 15 civilians were killed,” the head of the administration wrote. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413847-russian-grad-mrl-systems-launch-strike-on-volnovakha-killing-15-civilians.html

    And this is a military column that was destroyed by the Ukrainian forces on the way to Kharkiv – also today, in the morning of February 26, 2022:

    Ukrainians are now in mortal combat not only for themselves but for the future of the whole world.

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  56. February 26, 2022 3:44 am

    Volodimir Zelensky, President of Ukraine has recorded a video from Kyiv:
    “Don’t believe the fakes!”
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1497455346515857408

    “A lot of fake information has appeared on the network that I am calling for the army to drop their weapons, that there is an evacuation. Well, I’m here, and we’re not dropping any weapons. We will defend our country, because our weapons are the truth, and the truth is that this is our land, our country, our children. And we will protect all of it.”

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  57. February 26, 2022 3:23 am

    Some morons wonder why Ukrainians are staying in the underground. “Aren’t only the military warehouses being shelled?”
    Here is a video from a camera installed in one of the Ukrainian flats, Kyiv:
    https://twitter.com/pani_walewska/status/1497473398854897665?cxt=HHwWgsC-9emHjMgpAAAA

    Kyiv Feb.26, 2022
    Kyiv Feb.26, 2022
    “They were shelling the airport.”

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  58. February 25, 2022 6:32 pm

    Underground 2022
    Ukraine, KHARKIV tonight
    Kharkov underground Feb.25, 2022

    Kharkov underground Feb.25, 2022

    Ukraine, KYIV tonight
    Kiev underground, Feb. 25, 2022
    Kiev underground Feb.25, 2022
    Kiev underground Feb.25, 2022
    Kiev underground Feb. 25, 2022

    BELGRADE, 1999
    Belgrade, 1999

    MOSCOW underground, 1941
    Moscow underground, 1941

    LONDON underground, 1940
    London underground, 1940
    London underground, 1940
    London underground, 1940

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  59. February 25, 2022 3:08 pm

    Ukraine successfully reclaimed Zmiinyi (Snake) island. Russia took hold of it yesterday killing all 13 border guards who refused to surrender. All of them were titled heroes of Ukraine post mortem. That sacrifice was not in vain

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  60. February 25, 2022 2:49 pm

    The underground in Kiev (Kyiv). Feb.25, 2022

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  61. February 25, 2022 2:46 pm

    Convoy with ammunition from Poland reaches Ukraine
    NEWS & POLITICS | UKRAINE
    (PAP) JCH/MRB FEBRUARY 25, 2022

    Convoy with ammunition for Ukraine from Poland
    “We will provide the most state-of-the-art Polish equipment – Polish Man-Portable Air Defense Missiles (MANPADS) – as well as ammunition,” Błaszczak said.
    Mariusz Błaszczak/Twitter
    A convoy with ammunition from Poland has arrived in Ukraine, the Polish minister of defense has announced.

    Mariusz Błaszczak wrote on Twitter on Friday that “Poland supports and is in solidarity with the Ukrainian people,” as he announced that a convoy with ammunition had reached that country.

    “Poland firmly opposes the Russian aggression,” he added.

    The defense minister said that, in early February, the government had adopted a resolution on aid to Ukraine. “We will provide the most state-of-the-art Polish equipment – Polish Man-Portable Air Defense Missiles (MANPADS) – as well as ammunition,” Błaszczak said.

    Russia, on Thursday, launched an attack on cities and military installations across Ukraine, forcing thousands of civilians to flee the country.
    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/convoy-with-ammunition-from-poland-reaches-ukraine-28184

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  62. February 25, 2022 11:43 am

    Now they are threatening Finland.
    “Finland’s accession to Nato would have serious military and political repercussions” [Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Russia]

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  63. February 25, 2022 7:08 am

    80 years between these two shots: the new reality
    #Kharkiv

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  64. February 25, 2022 7:06 am

    Gary Kasparov: I’ll repeat what I said in 2014: Stop telling me I was right and listen to what I’m saying now. My recommendations follow:
    -Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber.
    -Bankrupt Putin’s war machine. Freeze & seize Russia’s finances & those of him and his gang.
    -Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc
    -Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is “stop or be isolated completely”.
    -Ban all elements of Putin’s global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.
    -Expose and act against Putin’s lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. []
    -Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can’t save the planet if you don’t save the people on it.
    -Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It’s time to fight.

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  65. February 25, 2022 6:01 am

    BNO News@BNONews
    WATCH: Heavy urban fighting in the Ukrainian city of Sumy – NYT

    Rivne. A town of the West, the local military airfield was under attack. Now, the lines of people to join the army

    Alejandro Alvarez
    @aletweetsnews
    A group of Ukrainian border guards were stationed on Snake Island, in the Black Sea south of Odessa, when a Russian warship ordered them to surrender under threat of attack.

    Their response: “Russian warship, go fuck yourself.”

    They held their ground. All 13 were killed.

    ‘Go fuck yourself’, Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island tell Russian ship before being killed – audio [The Guardian]

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  66. February 25, 2022 5:36 am

    Ukrainian Mig-29 shoots down Russian Su-35
    Feb.25, 2022
    https://twitter.com/pani_walewska/status/1497156923111714826?cxt=HHwWlMC58cGS_MYpAAAA

    Ukrainians are defending the whole of Europe from a nuclear maniac

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  67. February 25, 2022 4:56 am

    Ukrainian-Russian War Update Heavy Russian Kalibr Missile Usage And SU25 Close Air Strikes
    February 24, 2022

    Two Ukrainian MiG-29 Fulcrum WINGMEN Over Kiev (NOT A DOGFIGHT- NOT a Su-35 Flanker)
    February 24, 2022

    (Russian) Military helicopters seen flying over the suburbs of Ukraine capital
    February 25, 2022

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  68. February 25, 2022 4:10 am

    PUTIN IS FASCISM.
    And I feel helpless and weak. And very ashamed of my country and myself. Praying for Ukraine. With all my heart.

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  69. Linda permalink
    February 25, 2022 12:14 am

    I pray for your strength and peace of mind. I feel like I know your heart. I haven’t been on here for a while, but I still think about you. This is not the fault of the Russian people. Just like in America now, it’s the government. I’m very ashamed of ours too right now. I pray for God to intervene and get these people out of their seats of power and get good christian leadership for both our countries.

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  70. MoJo permalink
    February 24, 2022 3:54 am

    Oh, Helena. I don’t know what to say. This is terrible news. I don’t think I can say anything to comfort you. I feel helpless. And, in coming to check out this new comment, I’ve discovered this post about Chernobyl which looks depressing but really, really interesting so I’m going to read it. I know … it’s maybe kind of irrelevant but I do feel I need to read it. I remember Chernobyl but it was a long time ago and I’m in the UK, so …

    All of this made me think of lovely Michael in the Ebony / Jet 1987 interview where he says, ‘I don’t think anyone likes war. I don’t like war. I like peace. I’m a peaceful person.’

    ‘The blood inside of me is inside you’

    If only people would remember and hang on to those thoughts. I sound like a helpless child but it’s true. “Man’s inhumanity to man” is a terrible thing and it never seems to stop.

    Sending warm hugs and love.

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  71. February 24, 2022 2:51 am

    Today Putin started a war against Ukraine. This is MONSTROUS and the saddest day in our lives.

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  72. August 29, 2021 12:27 pm

    Michael could have been 63 today.
    I wish he were here…
    This is how I want to remember him – trying to be serious but his childlike nature still getting the better of him:

    I think that this video somehow captured the essence of Michael Jackson.

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  73. June 3, 2019 8:18 pm

    Instead of writing a new post about the next part of “Leaving Neverland” (which I still plan to make) I watched the four series of another film by HBO – “Chernobyl”.
    Well, this time they’ve done a terrific job – the film is well researched and truthful. And generally accurate, except some unimportant details, according to the Russian reviewers familiar with the subject. In fact it is the exact opposite of “Leaving Neverland”. It doesn’t want to shock with lies- it simply and quietly tells the truth, but this quiet truth is devastating.

    Its scriptwriter and producer Craig Mazin says:

    “To me, the cautionary tale here is bigger than just the nuclear power industry, or even the environment. The cautionary tale here is about what happens when people choose to ignore the truth. It doesn’t care, as it turns out – the truth does not care. The world gets hotter whether we agree with it or not, and that is something that I hope people can take away from the show – that in the end, we have choices about what we will or will not confront as true, but the truth does not care, and it will come to pass.”

    I myself remember those times – on May 1st thousands of people took part in a street march in Kiev being completely unaware of the radiation that had been there already for 5 or 6 days. No one warned them and no one told the truth until finally the news of the disaster came from abroad. Of course few of us really understood the danger of it – I heard on TV about 1 and a half minutes the soldiers spent on the roof of the destroyed power station and about their heroism, but had no idea what it really meant for those people. And the soldiers certainly didn’t know of it either.
    Today, when almost everyone forgot what the consequences of a nuclear fallout may be this film is a must see. However I doubt that it will be shown on Russian TV. My big thanks to HBO that they made it. The Russians who saw it are very much impressed.

    Here is the review of the film.

    ‘Chernobyl’ Review: HBO’s Haunting Miniseries Will Emotionally Destroy You
    BY ALLISON KEENE MAY 6, 2019

    What you need to know about Chernobyl, HBO’s 5-episode miniseries from Craig Mazin, is that you cannot understand how deeply it will destroy the very fabric of your being until you see it. Which is, strangely, analogous to the fallout from the meltdown of Chernobyl reactor #4. As it was happening, and in its immediate aftermath, no one understood what it meant. “You are dealing with something that has never happened on this planet before!” says scientist Valery Legasov (Jared Harris) when attempting to impress upon the Kremlin the unknowable scope of the event, which took place in April of 1986. But for us in 2019, we do know. At least, we know that simple, almost mundane scenes of children playing in the radioactive ash and men at the power plant letting irradiated water splash all over them equals death. But as a first responder picks up a rock and looks at it curiously, his hand melts away, and others start to know things too.

    Chernobyl starts with a suicide, which really sets the tone for the doom and terror that pervades the entire work. Make no mistake, what Mazin (who wrote the series) and director Johan Renck have crafted is something devastatingly good, but the key word is devastating. The first two episodes of Chernobyl play out like a horror movie, with a hauntingly effective score to augment the slow reveals of the compounding disaster, as geiger counters begin humming like a cacophony of summer cicadas. The human toll is immense and visceral; a man holds open a door with his hip to help his comrades try and cool the exploded core (which cannot actually be done), and his hip disintegrates.

    Besides the opening scene and the closing episode, Chernobyl plays out in a linear narrative that makes you feel trapped inside a nightmare. There is a cloud of death that no one can see, except that we can see its effects on the faces of those who encounter it as their skin sloughs off. Every additional person conscripted to try and stop the meltdown from spreading — and potentially killing millions across Europe — is the face of someone you know will die probably soon and horribly. And yet, it’s also clear that their sacrifices for what had to be done are nothing short of heroic.

    What makes the entire disaster worse, which Mazin really drives home in the script, is the web of lies and deceptions leading up to the meltdown and which defined its aftermath. You’ve never known rage like hearing those in denial tell others that what they are seeing simply isn’t happening. It’s beyond frustrating. It’s maddening. But that is the power of what Chernobyl is able to achieve; it’s a miniseries that makes you feel, deeply, in a cascade of emotions affecting body and soul. There are a lot of horrible moments, but never for the sake of themselves. Be forewarned that one episodes spends a significant amount of time on a beleaguered, husk of a squadron responsible for finding and killing all pets in the evacuation zone because they too are contaminated. (You think playing Fallout has prepared you for seeing a man with no lips have his skin peel off around his skull? What about a man who must execute a brood of puppies?)

    Given this, and other horrors, it will be easy to say that this fictionalized account is amped up for drama. And yet, in speaking to critics at the TCA Press Tour this past January, Mazin explained:

    “This is as close to reality as we can get and still be able to tell the story in five episodes. It was our obsession, and certainly our intention all the way, to be as accurate as we could be. The simple rule that we had, if we were going to change something, it had to be only so that we could tell the story fully. We never changed anything to make it more dramatic than it was, to hype anything, to amp it up. For us, this is a story about truth. The last thing we wanted to do was fall into the same trap that liars fall into. This is very much a well researched factual dramatic representation.”

    You feel that desire for authenticity throughout. The finale also takes the time to very clear lay out how everything happened and why, which might be one of the greatest feats of scientific narration on television. You will come to know how a nuclear reactor operates, why stalling it out would cause an explosion, and why Chernobyl’s particular failsafe was never designed to work. But it comes at the end for a reason — yes, those explanations are important for making sure a meltdown like this doesn’t happen again, but what we first have to see is why that is so important, and live in the confusion to understand what Chernobyl meant on a personal level, a local one, and within the Soviet Union itself. As Legasov sums up, “this is how a nuclear reactor explodes: lies.”

    Chernobyl is stocked with an excellent cast (who do not attempt any real accents other than their own, mercifully), including Stellan Skarsgard who plays the real-life figure Borys Shcherbina. To see Shcherbina go from an arrogant dismissal of the disaster to a shocked understanding to, finally, a grim acceptance of his own death is exceptionally moving, as is the real story of a young wife, Lyudmyla Ignatenko (Jessie Buckley) who watches her husband die while she herself is exposed to his radiation with devastating consequences. Emily Watson plays a composite character, Ulyana Khomyuk, who is meant to represent all of the scientists who assisted Legasov and were imprisoned and silenced for speaking out against the state’s official lines on the meltdown, and she does so with muted stoicism. The heroes of Chernobyl are quiet, hesitant, and ultimately sacrificial. There is a dreamy optimism to statements like “all victories must come at a cost,” knowing that something was lost for the greater good. That is, until you see the smarmy faces of the three men whose greed, incompetence, and arrogance caused this unnecessary tragedy, and then it only feels like loss.

    Chernobyl is a series where you will have to remind yourself to unclench your jaw and un-tense your shoulders while watching it. It is heartbreaking and intense, and a hell of a thing to watch the day after Game of Thrones. But it’s also necessary.
    http://collider.com/chernobyl-review/

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  74. May 31, 2019 4:59 pm

    “I pray that God sends my country, the US, a leader like President Putin.” – Cyndy

    Cyndy, recently there was a decree in Russia that beginning with November this year the worldwide Internet for Russians will be limited or probably even cut off. The network available to us will be called Runet and no one really knows what it will be like. It could be the Chinese relatively mild variant or the North Korean one with no opportunity to reach outside the country.
    I’m telling it to you so that you could still correct your prayers before they are heard.

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  75. Cyndy permalink
    May 17, 2019 2:34 am

    Reading your words on this page broke my heart. What a special blessing you are to this world. As to your comment concerning being from Russia…let me be honest, being from the US is shameful, being from Russia is something to be proud of. I pray that God sends my country, the US, a leader like President Putin. Hold your head high. He is under attack because he refuses to make Russia a puppet of the USG. Basically, the children, grandchildren and supporters of the Bolsheviks that overthrew Russia in 1917, are in control of the USG today.
    This is my first visit to your site and it touches my heart to see MJ supported by so many.
    I did want to share a link concerning Mr. Cosby. MJ is not the only person under attack.
    Proof the attacks on Bill Cosby is an agenda

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  76. April 2, 2019 1:10 pm

    “I find it strange that they find a need to do this. We do not forge their anti-MJ sites. But a great deal of time and effort went into creating the fraudulent sites.” – Dial Dancer

    Dial Dancer, I find it strange too. I came across these false blogs myself (seven years ago), but didn’t know they were still functioning. At the time there were several fake “allforlove” and “vindicatemj” blogs and the last time I checked if you pressed the word “vindicatemj” in their texts the link would take readers to the website of Michael Jackson’s worst haters misnamed “MJfacts”. So it is their doing.

    All I can say to it is this – if these people are that fraudulent, how can readers expect to find truth there at all? What makes them think that if these people tell so big lies about Michael’s supporters, they will treat their own readers any differently and will tell them the truth about Michael Jackson?

    They certainly never will. Moreover MJfacts website constantly changes their versions (same as Dan Reed now) – as soon as we prove that they lie, they change their story and claim that they “never said it”. We even found ourselves in a crazy situation when we had to prove to them that they had really told the lies they had told.

    For any normal person this alone would be enough to realize that the people who work against Jackson are not interested in the truth. They simply want him to be “guilty” no matter what, irrespective of the circumstances and lack of any evidence. And when there is no evidence, they simply fabricate it. Just as simple as that. Same as they fabricate numerous false “allforlove” and “vindicatemj” blogs.

    Here is an old post about those fake blogs which I wrote when I was completed shattered by this discovery:

    FAKE vindicatemj blogs!

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  77. Dial Dancer permalink
    April 2, 2019 12:13 pm

    Hello Helena,

    I had given your site as one to do research and learn. I received a message about a link which was found to find you. It is the little things people don’t pay attention to. I told her your site is called Vindicating Michael. She found a site through google search called ”

    “Vindicate MJ | The most respected and trustworthy Vindicate ..”

    I went to check and it opens up with a supposed article called “Wade Robson Was Molested by Michael Jackson”

    This person or group has also used Raven’s “All For Love” to deceive.

    You may already be aware. I find it strange that they find a need to do this. We do not forge their anti-MJ sites. But then we have no need. But a great deal of time and effort went into creating the fraudulent sites.

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  78. KAZAK MAMAI permalink
    March 24, 2019 1:55 pm

    “Russia (though these days I am embarrassed to admit it)”

    What is that supposed to mean??

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  79. Stacey permalink
    March 13, 2019 7:35 pm

    I seen a headline that Sam Smyth and Eamon Dunphy wrote a letter to safechuck because they were concerned about him in the hotel in Ireland can you please look at this article and address it

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  80. Gita permalink
    September 15, 2017 6:23 am

    Thank you, Helena, for what you are doing! I feel very similar way like you do – when I was growing up I would hear Michael’s songs on the radio and would think – really nice songs this man is making, but then I would hear stuff from people around me – oh but he’s surgery fanatic and he’s into little boys, and he’s weird….. so i’d think alright then, his songs are nice but I’m sort of not interested to know about him more, cause everything i hear about him is really strange. But somewhere in 2012 I discovered his greatest hits on youtube and that music was again so so nice! and then I thought maybe i should try to find some interviews with him or something…. and then was WOW! what a person, how humble, how smart, how talented! What a nice soul! and now I’m really regretting that I can never go to his concert, never can wait after the concert to speak to him, to send him a gift or say I have some personal similarities with him – he is just gone and it’s over now. Now I even remember that in 2008 I knew one person that had a contact with Michael Jackson’s surroundings, so if I was not that blind then, I could have perhaps managed to get to him somehow…. but now it doesn’t matter anymore.
    And just like you I feel that he and his legacy are not being appreciated enough. I feel like there should be something with UNESCO or something like that, because he contributed a lot as a humanitarian, breaking those racial bariers… And also a musical genius, but I don’t see him listed anywhere as someone special with special contributions to humanity at all. And his legacy/heritage should be used more widely somehow, for example, to more effectively present him to future generations, to commemorate his life and work louder and brighter throughout the globe! And all those crazy rumours about him still going on …. 😦
    I read in many coments how a fan would like to ask God to bring him back, and I just thought if everyone who loves him would stand together asking God for this… such multitude, it could really affect God’s heart 🙂
    once again thank you for this website,
    LOVE

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  81. Laurel permalink
    July 6, 2016 5:47 am

    Thank you. Michael Jackson was a beautiful person.

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  82. November 22, 2015 2:14 pm

    “I think I also speak in the name of Helena when I confirm that we don’t want to be part of this emotional exchange between fan factions and that our only motivation here is to research the truth and defend Michael Jackson against all kinds of untrue allegations and speculations. We are neither interested in trashing fan groups nor in trashing those who worked for Michael or were in his inner circle during the various episodes in his life nor in trashing his family. The research here is based on facts and from these facts we draw our conclusions. And so our principles are not based on “fandom”, but on the truth and nothing but the truth.” – Susannerb

    Very well said, Susannerb. I subscribe to each of your words.

    “Though all the disheartening events and developments on our planet and in our countries often distract us because we are also committed to other causes, comments like yours encourage us to go on to vindicate Michael.”

    The events are indeed disheartening in this part of the world – and finding out the truth about them also takes some time, so posts about Michael have to be made in the midst of much anxiety and distress. In times like these even studying Sneddon’s tricks may be a kind of a relief. Never thought I would look at it this way.

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  83. November 22, 2015 12:04 pm

    “I am ashamed to admit that I did doubt MJ’s innocence when the second wave of allegations surfaced, and when he was acquitted, I was relieved, although I wondered if “there’s no smoke without fire”.” – pinkpumps

    There was a time when I myself doubted Michael’s innocence and after Michael’s death was deeply ashamed of it. Now I realize that the smear campaign was so massive, so long and so many people were involved in it that I don’t even know how those who believed in Michael’s innocence from the start of it managed to see through those lies.

    I am actually in awe with their capability to tell lies from the truth. Most probably it was Michael’s direct effect on them and their hearts speaking directly to each other.

    But my own conversion makes me believe that people are not lost to the truth. If you and I and others were able to pull through these lies, other Michael’s doubters are not hopeless either.

    Its quite disheartening to read other MJ blogs and forums, and see various fan groups thrashing each other out, strongly insisting that their stand is the only absolutely correct one. I am very surprised to find out that the MJ fan community is so divided today. Why can’t we agree to disagree, and stop putting each other down?

    I think that if everyone were busy untangling haters’ lies about Michael they would not have time for fighting each other. Their focus is simply misplaced.

    The VMJ website, together with only a very few decent others, really helps folks like me get a clue of what went on / what’s going on, and helps us form our own better informed opinions, without too much emotional negativity that I see elsewhere.

    Uncovering the truth in a situation Michael found himself in is like a criminal investigation, and an investigation is like scientific research. There isn’t very difference between the two – the methods are the same. And in science there is no place for emotional negativity. It is only the truth that matters.

    VMJ has gotten a new ”fan”

    Thank you, but I welcome you here not as a fan but as another truth-seeker. The more people look for the truth about Michael Jackson the sooner it will prevail.

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  84. susannerb permalink
    November 19, 2015 2:22 pm

    @pinkpumps: Thank you very much for your encouraging comment. I think I also speak in the name of Helena when I confirm that we don’t want to be part of this emotional exchange between fan factions and that our only motivation here is to research the truth and defend Michael Jackson against all kinds of untrue allegations and speculations. We are neither interested in trashing fan groups nor in trashing those who worked for Michael or were in his inner circle during the various episodes in his life nor in trashing his family. The research here is based on facts and from these facts we draw our conclusions. And so our principles are not based on “fandom”, but on the truth and nothing but the truth.
    Helena’s tremendous work is a major service to MJ’s legacy and will hopefully be used in future by other researchers and truth-seekers to finally bring the whole truth to light.

    Though all the disheartening events and developments on our planet and in our countries often distract us because we are also committed to other causes, comments like yours encourage us to go on to vindicate Michael.

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  85. pinkpumps permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:10 am

    Hi Helena / Everyone else on the VMJ team!
    I chanced upon your blog about 2 months ago, and I reckon its time I stopped being a silent and passive reader.
    Thank you for all of your enormous efforts, time, patience and hard work, in continuing to keep the goal of this website very much alive, and maintaining an objective view throughout, supported by researching evidence, by studying facts.
    I am ashamed to admit that I did doubt MJ’s innocence when the second wave of allegations surfaced, and when he was acquitted, I was relieved, although I wondered if “there’s no smoke without fire”.
    Its quite disheartening to read other MJ blogs and forums, and see various fan groups thrashing each other out, strongly insisting that their stand is the only absolutely correct one. I am very surprised to find out that the MJ fan community is so divided today. Why can’t we agree to disagree, and stop putting each other down?
    The VMJ website, together with only a very few decent others, really helps folks like me get a clue of what went on / what’s going on, and helps us form our own better informed opinions, without too much emotional negativity that I see elsewhere. Folks like me – MJ fans who will always love and draw inspiration from his music and his interviews/speeches/quotes, yet not regularly checking if what is being reported by the media and self-proclaimed MJ experts, is true, often just brushing them off.
    I hope more of us silent readers will comment here, and I also hope you guys will keep going on, keep the faith!
    Once again, a very big thank you to all of you. Especially Helena. Your English’s great and your writings are organized, kudos to you!
    VMJ has gotten a new ”fan”, I will definitely check in regularly and try to comment more too. 🙂
    Cheers!

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  86. November 5, 2015 4:19 pm

    “I’ve information but I need to give background for your understanding.[..] This said ,I know precisely where I was at the time just before Michael Jacksons death.” – gb

    Gb, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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  87. November 4, 2015 11:03 am

    I’ve information but I need to give background for your understanding ,

    ” The Art of Painting”
    Johannes Vermeer
    Year 1665-1668
    Type Oil on canvas
    Dimensions 130 cm × 110 cm (51 in × 43 in)
    Location Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna

    “Madonna and Child with St John and Angels”
    (The Manchester Madonna)
    circa 1497
    Tempera on panel
    105 cm × 76 cm (41 in × 30 in)
    National Gallery, London

    This goes with the post that follows
    1668 – 1497 = 171
    2015 – 1668 = 347
    2015 – 1497 = 518

    171 + 347 = 518
    11. 7. 58
    7. 34. 1

    The paintings have “LV” & “LKV”
    If Vanna White was turning the letters ,I’d of guessed “LAKE VILLA”
    Roman Numerals
    54 LIV

    55 LV

    56 LVI

    57 LVII

    58 LVIII

    This said ,I know precisely where I was at the time just before Michael Jacksons death .

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  88. August 27, 2014 4:40 pm

    Susanne, thank you very much for the reference to Allforlove blog – the posts are excellent overviews providing a wealth of information for thought and analysis. I highly recommend both: http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9377 (part 1) http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9426 (part 2)

    I have to admit that due to the devilish war now being waged by our regime I couldn’t follow very closely the developments around Robson and Safechuck, and Raven’s posts together with the follow-up comments provided to me an excellent update.

    Dear friends, I also have something to say about these allegations but am afraid that some details will be still left uncovered by me. So once I write on the subject please correct me or add everything you have to say on it.

    This is probably the first time I ask me readers to help me with collecting and updating the information on the Robson & Safechuck gang as I myself have fallen terribly behind.

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  89. susannerb permalink
    August 25, 2014 1:50 pm

    Another quote of part 2 which refers to our own experiences here on this blog:

    “But first, I would like to address the psychological mindset of a Michael Jackson hater, and in particular, the mindset of this rather small but highly organized group that is directly responsible for much of the current smear campaign against Michael. How does one even begin to explain why so much obsessive hatred is, again, directed toward one individual? While these people will mock MJ fans for the excessive amount of time they devote to discussing and researching MJ, it is clearly obvious that they are devoting just as much (in fact, even double and triple) that amount of time to Michael Jackson. Indeed, so great is their passion that they put up entire websites and facebook pages dedicated to this cause. They spend countless hours stalking fansites-even posing as fans-going undercover; they obsessively follow all news of MJ; they spam every article related to him, especially those that have unmoderated comments; they often bully and harass fans on social media. However, there is a particular sub group who are even more dangerous and devious in their tactics, since they will also regularly bully Michael’s friends, family, and supporters.”

    And this quote of part 2 states exactly what we said all along:

    “…when we look at this latest cast of characters in the Wade Robson/Jimmy Safechuck saga, it’s interesting to note that just like with the “big, happy” family that grew out of the ashes of the Arvizo case, we are seeing a coagulation of many of the same names and faces who are banding together. In the coming months, we are no doubt going to see this new “family” joining ranks to spread lies and false or misleading information. There is already evidence that Mike Par and his Aussie bud Dylan Howard are working together to create falsified articles (for sure, he is getting “tip offs” of these articles long before they appear in print).”

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  90. susannerb permalink
    August 25, 2014 1:42 pm

    Guys, thank you very much for your recent comments and for your contributions and constant support.
    Helena and me are very sorry that we are not able to write on the blog at the moment because of personal difficulties and hardships we have to go through. In my case it’s illness and the death of my father that has kept me away from the blog, in Helena’s case it’s the ongoing problems in her home country that makes it hard for her to concentrate on new posts. We hope very much that the times will soon change for the better and give us the opportunity to make new efforts to defend Michael.

    But while we couldn’t address the latest events on this blog, our fellow MJ advocate Raven of AFLB did a lot of important research and wrote an excellent piece on the current conspiracy against Michael Jackson. So let me refer you to the two parts of her latest post and thank her for this great job. I highly recommend to read them:

    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9377 (part 1)
    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9426 (part 2)

    This is one quote from part 2:

    “It has already been well established that most of Michael Jackson’s enemies are actually a very small but intimate group. That part is no longer a theory. In 2005, The Veritas Project established a firm and undeniable connection between Michael’s accusers, prosecutor Tom Sneddon, and all the various individuals who were playing a hand either in directly bringing about the allegations or in smearing Michael’s name in the media.
    Since then, many astute Michael Jackson researchers have carried the seminal Veritas Project further to establish the very intimate connections between Michael’s accusers, their attorneys and respective therapists, as well as Tom Sneddon, Diane Dimond, and a small host of former friends-turned-enemies. What has been well proven by this research is that the tangled web of relationships between Michael Jackson’s enemies goes well beyond the professional level. Indeed, these people are intimate friends who “stick together” and have one another’s backs. They attend one another’s weddings, birthday parties, and conduct themselves in every respect as long and trusted family friends. This point has by now been so well established that they don’t even bother trying to hide it anymore. Diane Dimond wrote openly and gloatingly about attending Gavin Arvizo’s wedding. Prosecuting attorney Ron Zonen gushes at seminars about what a fine, upstanding, young Christian man Gavin Arvizo has turned out to be, making it no secret in the process that he obviously keeps in regular touch. Diane Dimond and self-proclaimed Jackson family “friend” Stacy Brown can both be found on their respective Twitter accounts, coyly “wink winking” at each other as they openly strategize, pat each other on the backs, and defend each other against “those crazy MJ fans.” Time and again, photos surface of various members of this “happy family” at some personal occasion, toasting each other with gleeful smiles. Mind you, these are not in most cases private photos, but rather, photos they have purposely and brazenly made public as if to rub it in that, yes, they are all best buds; yes, they stick together, and yes, they are united in one very big, common purpose-the destruction of one individual, namely Michael Joseph Jackson. And that furthermore, they don’t care if Michael Jackson fans know it.”

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  91. Jan permalink
    August 25, 2014 11:52 am

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  92. Jan permalink
    August 19, 2014 5:34 pm

    Please share:

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  93. Louise permalink
    August 19, 2014 2:19 pm

    Hey! I wrote a comment about this hater blog that made me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence (not anymore) but I recently found out that the writer of the blog is nothing but a joke. Lol, you don’t have to answer me (if you don’t want to) I don’t want to take your time. You’ve got better things to do than to expose these little jokes with too much time on their hands! XXX

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  94. August 16, 2014 5:30 am

    ——————-.Helena, wikileaks does not come up anymore. Try
    “HeavensTaskForce:Tamoil”. And also “The story of Michael Jackson,Thome,Tom Barrack.”It is some of what was previously on Wkileaks.

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  95. August 14, 2014 2:08 pm

    “Some remnants of wikileaks and Assange state that T.Barrack is behind everything that happened to Michael.” – wkatriina22

    Katrina, I would appreciate it very much if you could provide some more details about it.

    And thank you Helena for giving the blog attention.I understand it can´be easy for you these days.

    Actually I have abandoned it for quite a long time but couldn’t help it. The situation in my country is indescribable.
    And nothing can be more important now than averting a big war. We wouldn’t be Michael Jackson’s fans if we didn’t try.

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  96. newrodrigo permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:55 am

    Stacy Brown at his absolute shittiest finest.

    This is all old news. He’s just compiling this trash to attack Michael, yet again.

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/10/michael-jacksons-ex-maids-reveal-madness-at-neverland/

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  97. July 31, 2014 3:34 pm

    ——————-Sorry susannerby for my inattention and mistake.
    The 29th has some very personal significance for me. We have had a heatwave rendering people almost paralysed, sick and housebound.
    To more relevant matters; with Neverland sold a circle is closed.
    Some remnants of wikileaks and Assange state that T.Barrack is behind everything that happened to Michael. Supervised work with micromanagement. Addiction to money and wealth can be deadly for neighbours. Also that TT was MJ´s unofficial manager during his, ie Michaels, sc vagabond existance. I am still puzzled why he announced Michaels death at the hospital press conference. He went over to Sky news after AEG. And TT was close, if not even in T. Barracks employ.
    And thank you Helena for giving the blog attention.I understand it can´be easy for you these days.

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  98. July 31, 2014 1:18 pm

    “We.I miss you so much Helena.For almost 5 years you have led this blog” – t(wkatrina22)

    Katrina, I am very sorry for coming to the blog seldom these days – really sorry about it. The overall situation in my place is so horrible that the moment I wake up I rush to check the news in Ukraine and the way it is reported in Russia. My goal is of course to learn the truth and find out in which direction the situation is going.

    After every possible check-up I invariably find that the Russian media is telling horrible lies, but 85% of the people here unfortunately believe them. When ALL official media outlets lie, it doesn’t occur to people that they are being presented a totally different reality and are forced to live a parallel world. And with so many lies told to them 24/7 the prospects of their seeing the truth are very bleak I would say.

    In very many ways it reminds me of the lies told about Michael Jackson and the immoral brainwashing of the public done by the media for so many years. And it was also so “successful” that people began to believe even the blood baths stories about him!

    A similar immoral information war is being waged in Russia now. Unfortunately it works so well that even Ukrainian families split between the two countries cannot find common language with each other. We are turning into North and South Korea, I am afraid.

    But as soon as I can I will return to the blog. Michael has made me what I am now and the moment he needs me I will be back. He probably needs me somewhere else at the moment.

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  99. susannerb permalink
    July 31, 2014 9:18 am

    t (@wkatriina22): Sorry, Michael’s birthday is on August 29, so you just mixed the months July and August.
    We need to wait one more month to see what’s going to happen on his birthday.

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  100. July 30, 2014 6:23 am

    ——————–
    We.I miss you so much Helena.For almost 5 years you have led this blog.Yesterday it was Michaels birthday and nothing about it, no celebrations, no nasty CNN interviews.Michael was an ambassador of the World for piece and love.And lets hope this will come to pass.

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  101. July 23, 2014 3:42 am

    “However there are also a lot of (hater) blogs who seem pretty truthful as well, for example this one: xxxxxxxxxxx I must admit that blog did make me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence. The owner of the blog stated that Michael Jackson was an animal abuser and a person who only was interested in boys. …I hope you will respond to me!” -Louise

    Louise, your post was caught by a spam filter for which I am thankful because I wouldn’t like the links to those haters’ sites to be propagated here. Now your post has been released from the spam, but without the two links to a MJ slanderer which you provided.

    As to answering you I will, only I need some time to pull myself together after the Malaysian aircraft disaster. For the past few days I’ve been looking only through information related to that crash as I wanted to make sure if my thoughts about it were correct. I am afraid they are.

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  102. Louise permalink
    July 21, 2014 3:27 pm

    Hey, first of all I like to thank you for your amazing work. This blog truely helped me to find out the truth about Michael Jackson. However there are also a lot of (hater) blogs who seem pretty truthful as well, for example this one: xxxxxxxxxxx I must admit that blog did make me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence. The owner of the blog stated that Michael Jackson was an animal abuser and a person who only was interested in boys. This is what the blogger wrote to me:

    As for your other blather: As you’ll see in this post xxxxxxxxx, when the police who raided Neverland Ranch in 2003, they found a note from Marie Nicole (nickname “Renia” and “Renico”) to Jacko where she called herself a “stupid girl” who couldn’t be his “baby”, sleep with him, and be in the Applehead Club because she was a girl. Click the link and read for yourself.

    Why the hell would I bother making that up? Marie-Nicole Cascio probably does have fond memories of Jacko but that doesn’t change the fact there is documented proof via her letter to Jacko where she states she was a victim of his “boys over girls” philosophy.

    Jane Goodall said Bubbles was beaten under Jacko’s watch back in March 2014: http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/14/jane-goodall-michael-jackson-bubbles-beaten-abused/ Her confession there only confirms other reports, such as the fact Jacko used to poke him with pens and had shaved his hindquarters for laughs (see Christopher Andersen’s biography “Michael Jackson Unauthorized”). He never visited Bubbles after he’d given him up.

    Again, it is also documented fact he threw rocks at his caged lion to get him to roar, something that was brought up during his trial, a little fact Mesereau tried to clean up by suggesting the rocks were “small” ones, as though the difference mattered. The rocks were big enough to cause the lion to react!

    Why would I say Jacko was an animal abuser if he wasn’t? No, he objectified animals and had them around like accessories so that he’d appeal to children. He tossed them aside when he no longer found them interesting. (It has also been reported that he illegally bought and kept exotic animals to maintain his private zoo: http://books.google.com/books?id=DRcAAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA17&dq=oprah%20winfrey%20zoo%20michael%20jackson&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false) Everything to keep the boys coming to Neverland…

    Two pedophile-edited books “The Boy” and “Boys Will Be Boys” were found back in 1993. Again all of this is documented in the trial testimony of Rosibel Furrifino, who said the books were in a locked filing cabinet in Jacko’s bedroom. Also found was a naked photograph of Jonathan Spence. http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdf

    I hope you will respond to me!

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  103. July 18, 2014 3:40 pm

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    Whoever wants to look for the truth about Michael should read this blog. Murray is just dangling an imaginary treasure to lure inreviewers and journalists to find out “secrets”.

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  104. July 18, 2014 3:28 pm

    “But somehow recently I got curious to look more into that history. The info on this blog certainly helped to confirm my initial intuition that MJ was innocent and one of the last people in the world who would abuse a child.” – Cheryl

    Cheryl, sorry for the late reply. I’m happy that the information in this blog confirmed what your intuition was telling you. Intuition seldom lies.

    There was a time when I also questioned Michael’s innocence. I wish I had never doubted him – but on the other hand it was this doubt that started me on this research. One thing sprang from the other and this is the strangest part of it. Now I feel like I’ve known him for decades.

    I welcome you on your own journey of discovering Michael Jackson.

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  105. Cheryl permalink
    May 26, 2014 2:36 am

    I just want to thank you for your work to present the real facts related to the allegations about Michael Jackson. All along I had thought the accusations seemed bogus and he was very likely innocent but I had not really looked into the details. Although I have enjoyed Michael’s music and dance since I was a kid and also admired his contributions to humanitarian causes, I am not like a huge fan who kept up with everything that went on. But somehow recently I got curious to look more into that history. The info on this blog certainly helped to confirm my initial intuition that MJ was innocent and one of the last people in the world who would abuse a child. And it is sickening how he was (and still is after death!) a target for people motivated by money, fame, sensationalism and spite.

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  106. May 13, 2014 6:34 pm

    @Rodrigo,

    Thank you for your insight on the ever changing WR story which will now include JS. I had not thought of them tailoring story so there is no need to bring forth any kind of concrete evidence which can be measured, test or verified..

    Posted your closing paragraph on FB with link back to VMJ and this particular topic.

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  107. May 13, 2014 6:23 pm

    Despite being fluent in English the expression; get your head around it has been used now and then in this blog.I cannot claim to totally understand it´s meaning,though I have some intuituive grasp of what it could be.Based onthat I would say that to this day I cannot get my head around the AEG trial and verdict. No dictionary or Wiki is of real help.Om wiki I saw the following statements;Thus search for evidence of a hypothesis is likely to succeed.One illustration of this is the way the phrasing of a question can significantly change the answer.
    Everybody who followed the trial knows what I refer to.There were ofcourse also other unusual turns in the proceedings.I am returning to this issue as that trial was so close to the limits of the absurd.

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  108. Sina permalink
    May 13, 2014 3:53 pm

    Its not rocket science that WRs case would be bolstered by former accusers and former friends., Every body wants a piece of the cake they think Michael owes them .Nothing new. Michael went through a long grueling trial because of the Arvizos, was found not guilty on every single count in a worldwide broadcasted verdict. Yet there are still people who think he was guilty ,even in the Arvizo case and before WR popped up. At this point it is up to the justice system to pass judgement and to the estate executors to make a strong case against the accusers. Fans are not in a position to do anything that can help the case. The only thing that will be taken seriously is the outcome in court.not a fanmade documentary. Best is we keep the focus on the positive instead of bringing more attention to the negative.
    To the public the novelty of the accusations is wearing off, they will catch the hype and quickly move on to the next. Unfortunately it is the fans who will keep it going..

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  109. susannerb permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:14 pm

    This is exactly what we expected, we knew something is in the works that would come out as soon as there is a suitable opportunity, like in this case the release of the Exscape album which is promoted worldwide very successfully. And this time DD took it in her own hands.
    The method is very transparent, and meanwhile we can make a long list of negative news that are published exactly at a time when something positive or important is about to happen for MJ. We already saw it on November 18, 2003, when Sneddon executed his Neverland raid the day Michael’s Number Ones album was released, and the same thing happened again yesterday. They act in a perfectly clear way.

    Helena wrote her last 3 posts because we felt that we will see new allegations soon. This is what she wrote in one of them:
    “What is there in common between Conrad Murray seen together with Janet Jackson’s former husband, questions about FBI files and Michael Jackson’s “victims being afraid of speaking out”, and a certain Paul Barresi recently calling Michael a “serial molester” in a comment in this blog?
    The correct answer is that all these factors point to a new thunderous lie to be soon told about Michael Jackson.
    The lie will be about his “victims” who were previously unwilling to speak out but have suddenly “remembered it all” and are not longer afraid to tell the “truth”.

    You will ask how Conrad Murray seen in the company of Janet Jackson’s ex-husband comes into all this? Well, this is easy – Murray was apparently interviewing him about Michael’s child friends and their parents.
    These plans of Michael’s vilifiers are the reason why I took the vicious remark made in this blog on April 1st by someone called Paul Barresi quite seriously.
    It doesn’t matter whether the commentator was indeed Paul Barresi or someone who only used his name in order to spread heinous lies about MJ – the point is that these people are already probing ground for their lie and even put their finger on a person who may be one of the key players in the game.”

    Barresi and Michael Jackson ‘FBI’ Files. Part 1

    P.S. Great idea, Michael Moore,but where are the influential people in America who could form this support group to stand up for one of their icons?

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  110. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:10 pm

    P.S. Since the WM3 case only really exploded thanks to the Paradise Lost documentaries, a similar film could also help to be a rallying cry around the battle to affirm Michael’s innocence. Such a film would focus primarily around the Chandler and Arvizo cases, with mention of the Francia and newly emerging Robson/Safechuck thing, and of course a general focus on the press’ history of vilifying Michael since the 1980s, refusing to ever understand him. For making such a film, the best candidate would be Alex Gibney, who has become known as “becoming the most important documentary filmmaker of our time.” His past works include “Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room (About the accounting fraud at Enron)”, “Taxi To The Dark Side (About the state-sponsored torture condoned by the U.S. during the War on Terror)”, “Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House Of God (About the Vatican sex abuse scandal)”, “We Steal Secrets: The Story Of WikiLeaks (about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks)”, and “The Armstrong Lie (About Lance Armstrong’s lifelong effort to conceal his use of performance enhancing drugs, the lives he destroyed, and cycling as a whole in that period)”.

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  111. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:57 pm

    Yes, that is another odd coincidence. (BTW, I mostly prefer the original versions on the deluxe edition over the “contemporized” ones, especially in the case of “Xscape”.”) It’s much like how the Arvizo case exploded when the Number Ones album was released. But like I said, it’s time to fight back with some firepower of our own. A clear model is the support during the West Memphis Three case. As many of you probably already know, the reason that Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley, Jr. ended up convicted for the killing of three Cub Scouts, a crime it was clear they had nothing to do with, was due to the “Satanic panic” and the same fear of differences that hounded Michael throughout his life. The three young men eventually ended up released from prison due to the groundswell of support after the Paradise Lost films were broadcast on HBO, and online support groups sprung up. Celebrities such as Eddie Vedder, Henry Rollins, Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks, Metallica, Johnny Depp, and Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson also helped with their support and campaigning on behalf of them, especially in helping fund the DNA tests that showed they were innocent. Of course, the state of Arkansas only let them go after negotiating an Alford plea (plead guilty in court but allowed to state innocence in public) so that the state would be absolved of responsibility for wrongful imprisonment and avoid a civil lawsuit, thus the 3 still have the convictions on their record. But this support group is what enabled them to get this far in the first place. Clearly, Michael’s good name needs a support group like that, to snuff out these allegations and innuendos once and for all. All we need to do is get it together.

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  112. TatumMarie permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:45 pm

    I knew the press would be on some bs story once Michael’s new album would come out. Tmz is following the Jimmy whatever.

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  113. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:37 pm

    Unfortunately, that’s very much the truth. Robson and Safechuck were clearly influenced by the results of the AEG case, saw the potential in a settlement, and have made these claims, turned on by the allure of filthy lucre. Of course, Diane Dimond and her ilk are gloating over this development, saying “now that 5 people have accused him, you delusional fools who have defended him don’t have a leg to stand on anymore! Besides, it’s a matter of time until Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman and so on speak up to let their stories be heard, and Prince, Paris and Blanket write Mommie Dearest-style books to expose how they were mistreated!” It sickens me very much to hear them say such vile blanket statements about us and Michael, like we’re some kind of parasite that needs to be stamped out. Clearly, the time has come to fight back. If this bogus suit goes to trial or ends up settled out of court, then the battle to vindicate Michael has already been lost.

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  114. Rodrigo permalink
    May 12, 2014 7:07 pm

    Not sure if it’s authenticated or not.

    Jimmy Safechuck was the kid in the Pepsi commercials with Michael during the late 80’s.

    And I like it how he’s using the same excuse as Robson – understanding and remembering the abuse during therapy sessions.
    All this is carefully crafted so they’ll avoid trouble for defending and denying Michael harmed them in the past.

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  115. TatumMarie permalink
    May 12, 2014 5:11 pm

    Is this story authenticated? Who is Jimmie Safechuck again?

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  116. Michael Moore permalink
    May 12, 2014 1:53 pm

    Looks like we have a problem. Jimmy Safechuck has made the decision to join in Wade Robson’s phony lawsuit and be listed as a co-plaintiff. Now Diane Dimond is gloating “And then there were five” and predicting that everyone is now gonna turn on Michael and sue him. She’s also using the quote by someone from a survivor’s network and the fact that it takes 20+ years before something is done to justify the fact that it’s happening now, when Michael is dead and can no longer defend himself. She also uses a quote from Tom Sneddon’s assistant at the end to further justify it, saying something along the lines of “the dominoes will continue to fall, and soon Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman and so on will join the allegations.” It’s on the Daily Beast, so look at it.

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  117. April 25, 2014 4:52 pm

    “I plan to read your whole blog! :)”

    Abstractsunflower, you are very much welcome to. Please remember that it was a sort of an on-line investigation and each new post was adding something new to what we had known before. So the best way to read them is the chronological order. And don’t forget about the comments. The comments here are very often like full-time articles.

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  118. April 25, 2014 1:57 am

    I am so happy to have come across your blog! There is so much information out there which shows Michael’s innocence, but it’s not as easy to find as the stuff that suggests his guilt, and I love that someone has put so much effort in to put it all in one place. I plan to read your whole blog! 🙂

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  119. April 18, 2014 11:14 pm

    Hi. I’ve got something in my mind that can be food for thought, concerning the WR case. I am a hypnotherapist, new in that field, but still one. I have learned that unscrupulous psychologists, psychotherapists or hypnotherapists could implant false memories into , temporary or not, vulnerable or highly suggestible mind. One case you could find on internet is the one of Holly Ramona, who was a young woman with some kind of disorders who, pushed by her mother, went to see a marriage and family therapist. To make the story short, the latter ended up by making her believe that her disorder originated from her father sexually abusing her when little and that she had repressed that memory. The young woman ended up suing her father, and the court jury found that the methods used were of malpractice. It could never be proven that there had been sexual abuse, though. Trouble is that if new idea is implanted into the subconscious mind, the subject is totally convinced of its truth. Being a hypnotherapist now, I can say that the only way to know is for WR to make a counter hypnotherapy session to find out the truth and remove false memories, if any.
    Therefore, I am wondering, one, had WR gone through a difficult psychological period, prior to his declaration? Two, If yes, it would be interesting to know if he visited psy of some sorts and check that psy’s background, if this has not been done. If the source is known for shady practice or for influencing his clients, WR could be encouraged to have a counter hypnosis session to confirm or cancel those memories of so called abuses. Just an idea

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  120. March 31, 2014 12:37 pm

    Another great piece of news is that we are in for a new album of Michael Jackson’s music out on May 13.

    XSCAPE-Long Awaited New Music From Michael Jackson
    Out On Epic Records May 13
    Epic Chief L.A. Reid Teams Up With Top Producers To “Contemporize” Songs From Iconic Artist’s Archive

    NEW YORK, March 31, 2014 /PRNewswire/ — On May 13, Epic Records, in conjunction with the Estate of Michael Jackson, will release XSCAPE, an album of new music by the internationally beloved music icon and King of Pop, Michael Jackson. The project features eight new tracks, which the world will be hearing for the very first time on the new album. For the ultimate fan experience, XSCAPE will also be available in a Deluxe Edition, which includes all of the sourced Michael Jackson recordings in their original form. The XSCAPE standard and Deluxe Edition’s are available for pre-order beginning April 1 on iTunes.com/MichaelJackson and elsewhere, and available at all retailers worldwide on May 13.

    XSCAPE is executive produced by Epic Records Chairman and CEO L.A. Reid, who, after an initial mining of Jackson’s archives by the Estate, was granted unlimited access to the treasures representing four decades of material on which Jackson had completed his vocals.

    Reid curated the final list of recordings to deliver to the producers, who retooled the production to add a fresh, contemporary sound that retains Jackson’s essence and integrity. It’s a process Reid calls “contemporizing.” The album’s lead producer, Timbaland was one of a handful of producers Reid believed had the gravitas, depth and range to creatively engage with Jackson’s work. Additional producers include global hitmakers Rodney Jerkins, Stargate, Jerome “Jroc” Harmon and John McClain.

    “Modern music and artistry would look and sound completely different if not for the groundbreaking contributions Michael Jackson gifted to the world,” remarked L.A. Reid. “Michael left behind some musical performances that we take great pride in presenting through the vision of music producers that he either worked directly with or expressed strong desire to work with. We are extremely proud and honored to present this music to the world.”

    The title of this album honors Michael’s album naming process. He always chose a song from the album to name his projects and, beginning with THRILLER, used only one word titles, each with an edgy quality to them. This is true of the new project. Written by Michael Jackson and Jerkins, and produced by Jackson and Jerkins, “Xscape” has further significance in that it is the one track on the album that was ‘contemporized’ by the producer who recorded it originally in the studio with Michael.

    John Branca and John McClain, co-executors of the Estate of Michael Jackson said, “Michael was always on the cutting edge and was constantly reaching out to new producers, looking for new sounds. He was always relevant and current. These tracks, in many ways, capture that spirit. We thank L.A. Reid for his vision.”

    XSCAPE is a long awaited collection of exciting new music that will thrill the legions of fans of one of the world’s most revered and best-selling artists, as well as attract a whole new generation discovering his artistry for the first time. In conjunction with the release of XSCAPE, Epic / Sony Music will launch an unprecedented global campaign with the One Sony sister companies, Sony Corporation, Sony Mobile Communications, and Sony Network Entertainment International drawing from all of Sony’s strengths and consumer reach.

    “Michael has long been a treasured member of the larger Sony family,” said Kazuo Hirai, President and CEO, Sony Corporation. “Starting with the release of ‘Off The Wall’ in 1979, Sony Music Entertainment has since released all of Michael’s recordings. We are thrilled and privileged to be collaborating as One Sony to celebrate Michael’s latest legacy, and bringing his fans an exclusive experience through our upcoming initiatives with our products and services.”

    More news about Michael Jackson’s upcoming album will be revealed in the coming weeks. Keep visiting http://www.michaeljackson.com for new details.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/xscape-long-awaited-new-music-from-michael-jackson-253182181.html

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  121. March 31, 2014 11:15 am

    Guys, we have great news from Deborah Kunesh. Her Reflections on the Dance blog has now published ALL TRANSCRIPTS from the 2005 trial: http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/trialtranscripts.html.

    This is a moment we’ve been waiting for a long time and now we HAVE THEM!

    I”ve already added the link to the blogroll on the right-hand side and will try to place it closer to the top now.

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  122. Linda permalink
    March 13, 2014 10:28 pm

    If someone is writing there something not in line with what is expected of them, the whole wordpress may be closed for us, including me. This is why let me inform you that I’ve nominated another administrator for this blog – Susannerb – who will run it parallel to me.

    Always good to have a backup plan. I guess we should always think before we post something, since nothing is really private.

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  123. March 13, 2014 4:12 pm

    “The few honest journalist’s like the ones you mentioned have my respect. It’s gotta be really hard for them right now to stand up for what is right.” – Linda

    Linda, there is less and less possibility to stand up for what is right with every new minute. The events are developing so quickly that you don’t know what will happen in just half an hour. Tonight some Internet resources have been blocked here. One of them is the social network “Live Journal”:

    It was reported on Thursday evening that Rostelecom has blocked access to the whole of «Live journal». When you try to enter the site, you receive the following message: «We apologize, but access to the requested resource is limited.”

    Earlier, the representative of «Rostelecom» said that the operator is not technically able to block only some web pages, so it blocks the whole resource by its IP address. http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/23949151/roskomnadzor-trebuet-zablokirovat-blog-alekseya-navalnogo-za

    I’m providing this news here because theoretically the same can be done to those of us who are writing on wordpress too. If someone is writing here something not in line with what is expected of them, the whole wordpress may be closed for us, including me.

    This is why I’ve nominated another administrator for this blog – Susannerb – who will run it together with me.

    She is very much welcome to write posts here if she wants to but this is absolutely not expected of her. I hope that she will be able to at least preserve the blog as it is, just in case I am suddenly cut off. I hope it doesn’t happen but these days no one can really know.

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  124. Linda permalink
    March 12, 2014 10:45 pm

    There are so many facts of Michael’s innocence that it is impossible – I repeat IMPOSSIBLE – for the media not to notice them

    You know Helena I have a hard time even looking at the front pages of the papers at the super market any more. I always knew they lied but the Michael story showed me just how desperate they are to make up stories, and the main stream news is no better. I would never have dreamed the media could sink so low if it wasn’t for studying Michael.

    That has taught me you can’t even know what your own country is doing anymore because it all comes through the media. The few honest journalist’s like the ones you mentioned have my respect. It’s gotta be really hard for them right now to stand up for what is right.
    They’re a minority and don’t you know, besides their own needs , they have a lot of people telling them to give it up and just go with the flow. They’re under a lot of pressure from every direction.

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  125. March 12, 2014 2:13 pm

    “We do whatever we can and “When we’ve done all to stand, STAND therefore”. When we’ve done all we can, all that’s left is to stand and keep the faith.” – Linda

    Yes, Linda, this seems to be the point. I mean not just standing aside and just relying on God. But first doing and trying everything you can and when there is nothing else left wait for God to have his final say. Actually Michael always behaved like that and this is why we love him so much.

    You know, this time of trouble is showing the true worth of people very well. A huge mass of journalists here have fallen into the most despicable and disgusting conformism and servitude, but on the other hand some… oh some are displaying nothing less than heroism. Today news came that the editor-in-chief of an Internet Russian media outlet Lenta.ru was dismissed (naturally for political reasons) and its 69 journalists called it a direct pressure on the newspaper and refused to work under the new leadership.

    In their letter they say:

    «Some media outlets have been closed, others will close in the near future. The trouble is not that we won’t have a place to work. The trouble is that you will have nothing more to read. We certainly expected someone to come after us. [But] we believe that this is not forever. In any case, you, dear readers, should know about it. Hope to meet you soon. Your editorial staff».

    This move means that all of them are quitting their jobs. I am rarely proud of my people but this time I am. These journalists are doing it for the sake of truth and truth alone though all of them have families and children to feed.

    And against this background it is absolutely disgusting to see your tabloid and mainstream journalists sitting in much comfort and refusing to tell just a word of truth about Michael Jackson.

    I don’t believe that they don’t know the truth about Michael and have nothing to say here. There are so many facts of Michael’s innocence that it is impossible – I repeat IMPOSSIBLE – for the media not to notice them. And a true investigative journalist could find a multitude of sensations if he/she only started digging up the history of allegations against Michael or the shameful way Tom Sneddon was persecuting him.

    But these people value their salaries and comfort much more than the truth, and prefer to either keep silence or repeat what they are being told by whoever is guiding the policy of their newspapers. These journalists risk nothing but just a little bit of their comfort, but even that little they are not ready to sacrifice for the sake of the truth.

    Despicable cowards.

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  126. Linda permalink
    March 11, 2014 11:12 pm

    @Isaura Vazquez-Reid PERMALINK
    March 11, 2014 10:02 am
    Last week I went to my Dr. because for the very first time my blood pressure was high – answer – I worry too much,

    An interesting point just to show you how fast blood pressure can react to stimuli. I was talking to a nurse who was going through a bad time with a boyfriend. I was having a similar problem so we were both talking about our heartache. When she got around to taking my blood pressure it was really high surprising me.

    She looked thoughtful for a moment then said, “I wonder if our conversation had an effect on it.” So we talked about something pleasant for a few minutes, took it again and it was back down. SO, that fast, talking or thinking about something disturbing can push it up. As soon as we realize we are having negative thoughts we need to take control of our mind and get rid of it. A life time of habits are a struggle to break, but I’m working on it.

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  127. Linda permalink
    March 11, 2014 10:58 pm

    – and realizing that God has no other hands but ours and there may simply be no tomorrow if each of us doesn’t do his/her little bit. The only thing I can do is hug you and cry on your shoulder.

    I agree Helena. We do whatever we can and “When we’ve done all to stand, STAND therefore”. When we’ve done all we can, all that’s left is to stand and keep the faith. Nothing happens without a reason. We are in a warfare, good versus evil. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. I read the end of the book and we win.

    Hugs back to you, and you can cry on my shoulder any time you need to. We’re all here for you and keeping you in our prayer’s. I pray right now for your strength and faith to continue. May God keep you and give you peace in your heart.

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  128. Isaura Vazquez-Reid permalink
    March 11, 2014 10:02 am

    Very wise choice, there are things that we can not control, and the only thing we can do is pray and pray – Last week I went to my Dr. because for the very first time my blood pressure was high – answer – I worry too much, after some advice from my Dr. and no medication I now have a normal blood pressure again and trying to be more patient and not to worry so much – here like you said is the perfect place to be L.O.V.E

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  129. March 11, 2014 7:17 am

    Sounds like you’re getting a grip and thinking in the right direction. Times like these we have to just put things in God’s hands and not worry and fret over things we can’t control, but look to him for the best outcome, and if we trust in him we can’t worry about it, right? Love from Michigan, USA

    Linda, thank you very much for your words of wisdom. I wish I could be that wise. But I am alternately going between the need to stay calm and trusting God in His ways – and realizing that God has no other hands but ours and there may simply be no tomorrow if each of us doesn’t do his/her little bit.

    Unfortunately I can’t do even my little bit now as the comments on the remaining few independent newspapers I know have been switched off. So probably returning to my articles about Michael – started and then dropped – will be a sort of a healing for me. Otherwise one can simply go mad here.

    The only thing I can do is hug you and cry on your shoulder.

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  130. Linda permalink
    March 10, 2014 10:36 pm

    For some reason now I know that all of us should stay calm, stop making angry moves (I’m talking of myself) and give the one who started it all the rope he needs. What he started will be his own ruin. Probably not now, but eventually yes.This is why I returned to my family – which is HERE – feeling among you much better than among some of my hysterical compatriots.This is indeed the territory of love, and I love you very much.

    Gee, I wish I had thought to say all that to you, lol. Sounds like you’re getting a grip and thinking in the right direction. Times like these we have to just put things in God’s hands and not worry and fret over things we can’t control, but look to him for the best outcome, and if we trust in him we can’t worry about it, right?

    Love from Michigan, USA

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  131. March 9, 2014 2:57 pm

    “You came through both times Helena. These are scary times indeed. My mind goes back to the days when America and Russia were enemies. I hope that doesn’t happen again, and I pray all turns out well for all your people. I will always be glad to call you friend. We’re all just individuals no matter what country we were born in.” – Linda

    Dear friends, thank you for your words of wisdom in so troublesome a time. I’ve been reading and reading, and reading everything I could about the situation in Ukraine and Crimea, and was clashing with those who are brainwashed by our media, trying to explain to them the possible horrid consequences of what is being done now.

    But today a sudden peace fell upon me. For some reason now I know that all of us should stay calm, stop making angry moves (I’m talking of myself) and give the one who started it all the rope he needs. What he started will be his own ruin. Probably not now, but eventually yes.

    This is why I returned to my family – which is HERE – feeling among you much better than among some of my hysterical compatriots.

    This is indeed the territory of love, and I love you very, very much.

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  132. Isaura Vazquez-Reid permalink
    March 7, 2014 9:40 am

    It is very sad, when I think of how much Michael love life and people and only wanted to do the right thing and to help others and can not even come out with the words to express how I feel all I know is that it breaks my hart – RIP Michael we miss you terribly but you are resting in Peace away from all of these ………………not to say the real word – L.O.V.E

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  133. Linda permalink
    March 6, 2014 11:29 pm

    You came through both times Helena. These are scary times indeed. My mind goes back to the days when America and Russia were enemies. I hope that doesn’t happen again, and I pray all turns out well for all your people. I will always be glad to call you friend. We’re all just individuals no matter what country we were born in. I’ll never figure out why people don’t just want to get along. It really shouldn’t be that hard. There’s times that my great pride in being an American fails me too. I guess we all want and should be proud of our own country.

    Love you

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  134. Amaya permalink
    March 6, 2014 7:29 pm

    Don’t worry, Helena. Your first comment is showing up fine on my end. Glad to hear from you.

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  135. March 6, 2014 2:44 pm

    Guys, the only thing I want to say is that whatever madness some people in my country are falling into I DON’T SUPPORT IT. I can’t even believe that all this nightmare is really happening. Every Russian would welcome the Crimea back – there is no denial that, but not at THIS price.

    In fact I am ashamed to be a Russian now.

    * * *
    I’m repeating this statement because the first time I wrote it did not get posted. At least I cannot see it (probably you can?)

    If you can’t see it either it means that someone has meddled with the blog and I, the admin of this website, can no longer write here.

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  136. March 6, 2014 8:56 am

    Guys, the only thing I want to say is that whatever madness some people in my country are falling into I DON’T SUPPORT IT. I can’t even believe that all this nightmare is really happening. Every Russian would welcome the Crimea back – there is no denial that, but not at THIS price.

    In fact I am ashamed to be a Russian now.

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  137. March 5, 2014 11:19 am

    Today 5 years ago Michael’s fateful press conference at the O2 in London took place. It was the last time most of us saw Michael in public.
    It was also the day when Randy Philipps slapped Michael, yelled at him, threw him into a shower and treated him like a slave – as we learned from his testimony at the AEG trial last year. Moreover, he talked with staff members about it and badmouthed Michael.
    From this moment there was a countdown until Michael’s death during which numerous events happened that showed the true face of the powerful AEG Live executives. During this countdown they hired an incompetent doctor and pressured him to get Michael on stage not only for performances, but also for rehearsals. Michael said again and again: “Why can’t I choose?” We all know how it ended. They first took his freedom and then his life.

    Right now we have another countdown going on during which other powerful people are in control of events which could effect whole countries and the freedom of their population. In this critical situation let’s pray and hope that this countdown ends in a different way – with all people remaining free and alive. It’s most important to our Helena.

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  138. Amaya permalink
    March 3, 2014 12:50 am

    We understand, Helena. Things are sounding pretty messed up over there right now and I hope it doesn’t get any worse. Please take care and stay strong!

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  139. TatumMarie permalink
    March 2, 2014 12:23 am

    We love you, Helena.

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  140. Linda permalink
    March 1, 2014 11:42 pm

    Take as much time as you need Helena. We aren’t going anywhere.

    Love you

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  141. March 1, 2014 2:06 pm

    Guys, I won’t pretend that nothing is going on at the moment regarding my country.

    A lot is going on, only I don’t have the right to risk the future of this blog by leaving any comments here. I am also so distraught that can hardly think of anything else – even MJ. I hope you will understand if I take a little time-out.

    If I can I’ll probably still make the next post as I’ve been planning to. However all my thoughts are now elsewhere. I pray that people will be reasonable enough not to fall into madness.

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  142. December 24, 2013 5:05 pm

    Helena, just wanted to wish you good health and happiness to you and your family over the Christmas season and always. Love from Canada, Susan.

    Oh Susan, thank you so much for your words of encouragement for me. I would also like to wish you and all of us good health and happiness in the coming year and that the truth wins over lies, evil and malice, and not in some distant future but while we are still here and are able to see it.

    P.S. It’s very late here (2:15am), and I am sorry that I got carried away with the discussion of LMP and MJ and I didn’t have time for other replies. But I hope to be back tomorrow. Merry Christmas to everyone!

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  143. Susan M-S permalink
    December 24, 2013 4:26 pm

    Helena, just wanted to wish you good health and happiness to you and your family over the Christmas season and always.

    Your tireless dedication to providing the search for truth for Michael is an inspiration of what good people can do when they have love and courage in their heart. Thank you so much. Love from Canada, Susan. 🙂

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  144. sanemjfan permalink
    December 2, 2013 11:38 pm

    Here’s “A Place With No Name” on Youtube! Hurry up and listen and download it before it’s taken down!!!

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  145. sanemjfan permalink
    December 2, 2013 9:31 pm

    The full version of Michael Jackson’s “A Place With No Name” has finally leaked! You may recall that a snippet leaked in the summer of 2009, a few week after MJ’s untimely death. But now, here it is in its entirety! It’s pure perfection, as you would imagine! You can listen to it in either of the links below:

    http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/73595974/file.html

    https://m.soundcloud.com/smooth-gangsta/a-place-with-no-name

    For those of you who don’t know this already, the original version of that song is called “A Horse With No Name”, and it was released in the 1970’s by a group called America. You can hear it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAJ0l4OBHM MJ covered it perfectly and kept the same beat and cadence, but changed the lyrics.

    Speaking of leaks, for those of you who aren’t active on social media, you may have not known that “I Was The Loser” leaked a few months ago. If you haven’t heard it yet, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXPFy0RmdeM

    Happy listening guys!!!

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  146. November 25, 2013 6:19 pm

    “I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???” – Dialdancer

    Dial, David answered me and explained that these were indeed the traces of his trackbacks between the two blogs. He allowed me to delete them as they do not affect the actual connections. So thank you very much for the alert. Now we at least know that something of the kind can happen.

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  147. November 24, 2013 5:33 am

    There is one more question which interests me VERY MUCH:

    Have any other blogs been handled in the same manner for the past few days and what blogs are these?

    Please send here all the information you can.

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  148. November 24, 2013 5:14 am

    “Helena, Dial: Something similar happend to Raven’s Allforloveblog in the last days. She had suddenly almost a hundred posts that were attributed to David, but it was not his doing. She was spammed with that and first thought it was done by haters. It’s strange this is happening now here too. It would be good to get in touch with her to ask how she fixed it.” -Susanne

    Well, then it becomes clear that:
    1) someone is hacking our blogs
    2) the hackers want us to find fault with David as they present it as his doing
    3) they want us to quarrel with each other by confusing us and seeding division between bloggers, fans, etc. – in the community as such.

    Our defense is:
    1) realizing their intentions and being on the look-out for more of their attempts in this respect
    2) doing our utmost to protect ourselves. I suggest a massive change of passwords as a very minimal step.

    So ALL AUTHORS of this blog – please change your passwords please!

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  149. November 24, 2013 5:05 am

    Helena, Dial: Something similar happened to Raven’s Allforloveblog in the last days. She had suddenly almost a hundred posts that were attributed to David, but it was not his doing. She was spammed with that and first thought it was done by haters. It’s strange this is happening now here too.
    It would be good to get in touch with her to ask how she fixed it.

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  150. November 24, 2013 5:04 am

    “Something very strange is going on with this site. I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???” – Dialdancer

    Dial, something strange always goes on with this site. Several people are writing to me that they cannot leave comments here as they get the same reply as you do:

    Error: please enter a valid email address.

    As to David’s comments these may be trackbacks which are used by authors when they want to connect their posts in one blog with their same or other post in another blog. When I make links to my own post trackbacks usually appear in the sidebar, only I always delete them not to spam the comments section. However in David’s case I don’t want to do it because it will ruin his whole idea of connecting the two blogs together.

    On the other hand I do not rule out that someone hacked this blog and is making all these trackbacks on so massive a scale for reasons of their own. I’ve sent an email to David just to verify if it is him, so he will probably come here by himself and tell us what it is.

    * * *

    By now I have received a permission to tell you one story and will try to make a post about it as soon as I can. Hope my blog will survive at least until then.

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  151. November 23, 2013 9:21 pm

    Helena,

    Something very strange is going on with this site. I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???

    I will send you a copy. It will be unedited, with the exception of my password and email. In fact, I am recording this post as well.

    While trying to post this I had an error which makes no sense. You will see it on the video.

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  152. November 20, 2013 2:28 pm

    “In one week this site will celebrate its’ 4th birthday or anniversary. I hope it will still be active if there is a need and Helena sees fit for it to have a 5th.” – Dialdancer

    Dial, thank you for reminding me. It is a very strange tendency but each anniversary something crashing usually happens and no matter what my intentions were these events force me to speak up. November 20th is exactly the anniversary day and is no exception to the rule because today I’ve learned that TeamMichaelJackson site is “temporarily not working” and to me it is quite a shock.

    I have reasons to believe that the Estate is not too happy with this website and even understand why, but despite my huge difference of opinion with TeamMJ as regards the Estate I firmly believe in freedom of speech and the need to allow others to carry on even if their hate is becoming too personal and even irrational.

    I know that the TeamMJ administrator is now in hospital and this makes things even worse, because I myself was recently in a similar situation and know what a terrible blow it is to find your site closed when you are so helpless an invalid.

    Rumor has it that this temporary suspension may be due to a complaint about collecting money for the transcripts which under certain circumstances may be considered commercial use of the blog carrying Michael Jackson’s name, but in this case I should even partake of the guilt as I was the one who encouraged to collect donations to buy more transcripts, so in a way I let them down.

    If it is due to using Michael’s image then a million other blogs should be closed too because all MJ’s fan blogs are full of his pictures.

    And if it is due to criticism I think it should be stoically tolerated or answered with information proving the errors of the opponent, and not by silencing him or her which only makes the matter worse.

    In short I am totally frustrated. My second part of the post based on LeGrand’s testimony was supposed to be about Branca, but how can I write about him in the circumstances?

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  153. November 17, 2013 11:59 am

    Thank you, Dialdancer. You’re a true friend.

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  154. November 14, 2013 10:19 pm

    To the readers of this blog:

    It is an insult of epic proportion and very telling to use this Blog and Helena as if some kind of disposable towel or a pet. Reward with praise the “pet” when it respond as we like and slap when it does not. Use someone and their work to support us and our beliefs, but mock them when they do not see eye to eye with us on everything. Disagreeing with ideas can be a way to get to the truth. When done with respect it can motivate to find and show what is and isn’t in also a respectful manner.

    At this time there appears to be two predominate groups on VJM using this Blog to prod one another, playing a game of one-upmanship.. The AEG supporters who are now here praising, but lambasted Helena and ignored the Blogs during the AEG trial and the Anti-AEG who heaped praise then, but now find this place and her unworthy.

    What about the almost 4 years of information which each person (fake posters not included) who has come here to discuss or take from these very pages? That information which was to defend Michael, debunk or debate the tales and was beneficial in creating personal reputations?

    Seems most of us have gotten in the habit of “selective” reporting. Deciding for the masses, (MJ Fam) what should and should not be known. Report in glowing terms that what we agree with and derogate that what we do not. If that is the case then perhaps “we” are no longer here for Michael or to get to and report the truth. Then we would no longer be here to Vindicate Michael or Support his legacy, but to vindicate and support our personal beliefs, decisions and judgments.

    In one week this site will celebrate its’ 4th birthday or anniversary. I hope it will still be active if there is a need and Helena sees fit for it to have a 5th.

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  155. November 10, 2013 7:17 am

    Just because you’re a rare bird, you are in communion with Michael and all of us who are here to support the just struggle because you’ve started it. I wouldn’t like to be malicious with no signs (neighbor) of us, but each of us has the particularity gene them. Just through this feature individual, we are different and we must have the wisdom to accept it and not try to blame someone without having to know the specific knowledge in that situation. I love your wisdom, I appreciate your expertise, as I love your genius. We will fight to the end! Subscribe and support you with all consideration and wish you more power to work, achieving the goals! We love you as much as Michael! God Bless Of All Us. All my L.O.V.E for Everything!

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  156. October 24, 2013 3:01 am

    “It’s ok Helena, free is good, and I personally won’t mind the ads. It’s a minor inconvenience.” – Linda

    Linda, I don’t mind them either as long as the readers don’t mind them. I just want everyone to know that these ads have nothing to do with me.

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  157. Linda permalink
    October 23, 2013 11:05 pm

    This is the price you have to pay if you use the blog free (as I am doing it).

    It’s ok Helena, free is good, and I personally won’t mind the ads. It’s a minor inconvenience.

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  158. October 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    Guys, I’ve noticed that posts have begun to carry ads from wordpress and wish to inform you that these ads are placed by the hosting service and now me. WordPress has the right to do so and was simply not using this right previously.

    This is the price you have to pay if you use the blog free (as I am doing it). So I’m afraid we will have to live with some ads now. Well, I hope that they will at least be decent.

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  159. October 3, 2013 9:03 am

    “With your background I think you will understand Chris Hedges.” – Kaarin

    Not quite. I’ve read a little bit of him and found that firstly, he makes grave mistakes about Michael and is not coming even close to understanding who he really was (http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/20090713_the_man_in_the_mirror)

    Then he defines Michael’s life as part of the US commodity culture. Over here he is probably right as an American he probably knows better.

    But he thinks that turning a person into a commodity is the only social ill and defines it as “unfettered capitalism” where everything is sold and bought. However I, who come from a different part of the world, know very well that similar social ills are inherent to other systems, for example “socialism” (which he seems to be propagating).

    In my opinion capitalism and socialism have nothing to do with it – these are basically economic models where capitalism is based on competition and socialism on the plans of those who are in power and basically collect the money to distribute it into various fields.

    If you ask me I see the competition principle as best for developing the economy and the distribution one as best for education and medicine which should be open and free to all irrespective of their starting conditions.

    But both systems can become absolutely rotten if they are not based on ethics and on human conscience which is a God’s law built into our souls.

    When human conscience is not involved every system begins to rot – under “capitalism” lies begin to be freely told (in the media for example) in the name of competition and profit, while under “socialism” the same lies are told in the name of “public good”.

    The common feature of both is still LIES and manipulation of human minds. So whatever the system I have issues only with lies and whatever country it is all I am fighting for is the truth.

    When so many lies are told in every place you look into, it becomes obvious that all of us are living in the world of illusion where taking proper decisions is simply impossible, because the grounds for their taking are fictituous and therefore wrong.

    I think that it is only the truth that can really heal the world.

    In fact it was Jesus who said: “Search for the truth and it will make you free”. And Michael Jackson by the way always said the same.

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  160. October 3, 2013 6:00 am

    With your background I think you will understand Chris Hedges.

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  161. September 28, 2013 9:54 pm

    Helena,

    Just popped in to say Hi. I am reading the blogs and comments. I’ve made a few of my own. Try and give your body some rest especially your poor hands. I hope you remember what you once told me during a bad time, “A spirit cannot survey if it lives and works only in darkness. I hope you are soaking up plenty of light and beauty.” Do not forget laughter is some of the best medicine God gave to us.

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  162. September 14, 2013 3:04 pm

    Sorry for the broken arm. It must have been one more complicated than the usual. as you need and operation and a nail,I understood. Still bones heal well once set right.A question of time and ofcourse it causes trouble.Hope you will be fit and well soon.

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  163. louturtle lang permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:54 pm

      WordPress.com Susan M-S commented: “Dear Helena; May I also extend to you my prayers and hope for you to recover very quickly. You are truly missed. Please take all the time you need to get well. Love, from Canada, Susan.”

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  164. Angie permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:38 pm

    I’m praying for you Helena, that you have a speedy recovery. I know what it’s like to break an arm. I broke my arm on Friday the 13th, a couple of years ago, lol. I’m not superstitious, it was a coincidence, but just saying….. lol. If you eat fresh pineapple, it’s extremely good for inflammation, plus it’s healthy for you too. That’s what I took when I broke my arm. I took no drugs at all, can’t you believe it, lol, and I healed fast and effective. I don’t like prescription drugs, they’re poisonous to me. They are still drugs just because they’re prescribed. And they have too many side effects that will create other problems. I believe that drugs are only useful when a person needs an operation, so they won’t feel pain, but other than that, drugs are useless. I believe God’s medicine, such as herbs like garlic, ginger root, etc., vegetables and fruits are the best medicines. God’s medicine is better than man’s medicine. This is my opinion. Anyway Helelna, we miss you and we’re praying for a speedy recovery. God bless you <3.

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  165. Susan M-S permalink
    September 14, 2013 8:31 am

    Dear Helena;

    May I also extend to you my prayers and hope for you to recover very quickly. You are truly missed. Please take all the time you need to get well. Love, from Canada, Susan.

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  166. Caspar88 permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:45 am

    Dear Helena
    I do hope you are okay?
    I am so sorry to hear about your accident. I have missed you !
    Sometimes it just does you good to know how much you are loved and appreciated..
    Get well soon.
    Love is the answer!

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  167. lynande51 permalink
    September 14, 2013 12:06 am

    Helena I wish you a speedy recovery and as pain and discomfort free as possible. Take care of yourself first that is what is the most important now. I hope to see you back here soon blogging as usual. Is their a friend or family member that can help you when you go home? You will constantly be in my prayers until I see you writing again. Bless you , Lynette

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  168. Angie permalink
    September 13, 2013 8:48 pm

    Get well soon Helena, we miss you <3.

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  169. Linda permalink
    September 12, 2013 11:03 pm

    So sorry to hear Helena was hurt. I hope she mends real fast because I’ve missed her and was very worried about my favorite site. My bookmark for this site still won’t work. I can only click on comments that come into my e-mail to get me here. Not sure what’s going on there since the site does seem to be back up, but if I click on my bookmark that I always use to get here, I still get that page that says the site is removed because of some kind of an infraction. So I’m not sure if I’m getting the latest articles written here.

    Helena probably has a cast on her arm and it’s going to be slow going to do any typing. Bummer. That’s like losing your voice and not being able to talk. Get well soon Helena. Love and miss you.

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  170. Angie permalink
    September 12, 2013 5:16 pm

    I’m so glad you’re back Helena! I thought they tried to get rid of you because they were threatened that you vindicate MJ so well, and wanted to keep people from the truth. Thank God you’re back 🙂

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  171. September 12, 2013 2:58 am

    sanemjfan: Helena broke her arm and needed an operation. I think she won’t be long in hospital, but won’t be able to write for some time. I think she’s well soon.
    Thanks again.

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  172. sanemjfan permalink
    September 11, 2013 8:04 pm

    Thanks susannerb!! I was very worried Helena, and the site, but I’m glad WordPress fixed their error and apologized.

    Why is Helena in the hospital? When is she expecting to be released? I hope she gets better soon!

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  173. September 11, 2013 1:54 pm

    Guys, I’m glad the site is back. Helena was very worried as she could not take care of the situation due to her treatment in hospital.
    The suspension of the site was an error and WordPress apologized for it.
    Thank you also to sanemjfan for his efforts in contacting WordPress.

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  174. Angie permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:35 pm

    ‘louturtle lang’ you are a thief. You have my nickname. You have my email name. I’m going to report you.

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  175. June 18, 2013 7:23 am

    “Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct.” -louturtle lang

    I’m going to be direct too. Your message had a comment by a certain “Christian” attached to it. This person is a troll with ped-lia inclinations. At some point I was asked by readers to delete his indecent rant as everyone grew sick and tired of it. This is why that person was banned and part of his erotic revelations deleted. And that is why I had to delete his comment from your message too. I hope it got there by mistake.

    Thank you for your comment. You are right, Michael was an incredibly lonely man. And he indeed wanted people to talk to him at night when he could not fall asleep. Van Valin is one of the examples.

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  176. louturtle lang permalink
    June 18, 2013 1:02 am

    newrodrigo permalink June 6, 2013 7:30 am

    Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct. Michael had kids in his home, why? Because he shared with them hospitality, because he was a generous and kind soul, too good for his own good. From this, he would gain things in his life that he never had, a childhood. Why sleep with kids in the same room? Honestly? Because I believe he used them for comfort. Michael was bad with his nerves, anybody can see that. He suffered insomnia, so those kids probably helped feel at ease until he fell asleep. And he was INCREDIBLY lonely. If he wasn’t with children at night, he would call anybody and everybody to talk to til he felt tired, and that took hours. You have to understand his reasons for really doing this. Not because he wanted slumber parties and not because he was a pe-le… But because he was a mentally frail and desperately lonely man, who needed comfort with him. The mannequins in his room in his youth ALONE should show us that. Michael had a stunted mind, he didn’t like reality and so cordoned himself off in his own world. He was philosophical and religious, and lived by his own rules. That was very sad for him. ..but none of it means he was guilty to wrong intent towards children. Like it says in the Bible, Jesus said we should all be childlike and innocent, and what with Michael’s nature, I think he took that lesson to heart the most. And let’s not forget, he slept with his brothers in his life. Times he really liked and cherished, and he was probably trying to regain those. Save occasions where they brung girls back. But there is something cosy about going to sleep with family. And Michael thought of children as his family, often calling them cousins. Me myself, I used to share a bed with my family members on occasions in my youth, and I fondly remember them. Every memory I have involves talking and laughter, trying to get to sleep. As I said, it was cosy and special times. And I believe Michael felt the same and wanted to recapture that too.

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  177. Angie permalink
    June 10, 2013 5:16 pm

    You can stop complaining now about those words. Again, you only told me once not to use those words, and I haven’t used them sense, but yet you’re still complaining about me using those words, when I haven’t even used them ever sense you told me not to. So enough with complaining about me using those words. And you are judging me. You said I’m ‘playing you as a fool’, when I’m not. How ridiculous. Please stop passing judgement on me, because you’re 100% false.

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  178. lynande51 permalink
    June 10, 2013 9:40 am

    Christian I wasn’t even talking to you. Then I guess you don’t understand that there are trigger words.You don’t know what they are and neither do you.

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  179. newrodrigo permalink
    June 10, 2013 5:12 am

    Well to clarify. I’ve never SLEPT beside children. Lay beside them, told a story til they fall asleep, because after all, they do need comfort, if asking for it. I was never deprived of that when I was young.

    And it’s not just any child. It’s either my girlfriend’s niece, a younger member of my own family. Then once her friend who was sleeping there too, and I managed to get them to sleep, then I snuck out.

    And the only thing I get from it is how people tell me I would make a good father someday, which makes me happy.

    Michael did what he did out of loneliness, and trying to recapture the things he never had.

    Me? I do it obviously very rarely, and just because I’m a good storyteller, you know? Children take to me because I have the energy for them. And I don’t mind it.
    It’s children who are family, and it’s basically me doing what a father would do.

    But that’s what got Michael into trouble. Playing too much of the father role with other people’s children.

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  180. Christian permalink
    June 10, 2013 2:39 am

    Thanks for your advice lynande51 but sleeping with children is not illegal in Australia. It’s not illegal in the USA either, which is just as well otherwise Snake Sneddon would have had his evil way and had Michael sitting in a jail cell right now.

    Like Michael I agree that child molesters need some help.

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  181. June 9, 2013 5:15 am

    “Helena, please don’t pass judgement on me. I’m not using those words on purpose like Diane Diamond did with her words. I only tried to be as clear as possible while discussing matters with ‘Christian’. You told me not to use the words only once, and I haven’t used it sense. Wow, it’s amazing how people can judge so easily. I’m not taking you as a fool, you’re judging, and that doesn’t look good, because you’re 100% wrong.”– Angie

    I may indeed be wrong about the reasons why you are doing it but am correct in assessing the effect of your non-stop use of these words. And it is not judging you – I am not calling you names – I am explaining to you why and how all these words are only doing damage to Michael instead of helping him.

    By the way our Rule #1 fully applies to this case.

    Our Rule # 2 does not allow propaganda of pedophilia. And speaking of all those “erections” in connection with a 9 year old girl which you kept mentioning again and again does sound like propaganda of it due to the repetition method used by its propagators. And if you do not understand it yourself I have to explain it to you. Ped-lia propagators also incessantly “talk” about it, mention it in various combinations so that it leaves the reader totally desensitized to the idea that all this talk is actually done about a child.

    These are at least two of our rules out of six that you have broken. First I had to redact your comment to make it consistent with the rules, then I had to warn you that this is not acceptable here, and now you say that I am “judging” you and “easily” at that?

    Before passing judgment on me please have a look at the rules first: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/rules/

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  182. Angie permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:00 am

    Helena, please don’t pass judgement on me. I’m not using those words on purpose like Diane Diamond did with her words. I only tried to be as clear as possible while discussing matters with ‘Christian’. You told me not to use the words only once, and I haven’t used it sense. Wow, it’s amazing how people can judge so easily. I’m not taking you as a fool, you’re judging, and that doesn’t look good, because you’re 100% wrong. Why would I want to play you as a fool, or use those bad words against MJ, whom I love with all my heart. Seriously Helena, you need to stop judging people so much. Just because some else may have played you as a fool, well I didn’t. Please ask God to give you guideness on who to judge and not judge, because you’re 100% wrong when it comes to me.

    I do agree, that people use pyschology, I’ve seen it in movies, etc., being indirect, subtle and obilque, regarding racism, etc. Trust me, I know.

    I hope God gives you a revelation of the truth about me, because what you said about me is absolutely 100% false. Anyways, hope you can move on from this. Peace.

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  183. June 9, 2013 2:27 am

    “To all who are discussing ERECTIONS ETC. I know is not a bad word or anything but my opinion is that it should not be discussed anymore” – Isaura Reid

    Of course it should not. This was a provocation arranged here by several people. Unfortunately for the past four years I have seen many of them.

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  184. lynande51 permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:26 am

    @Dialdancer
    Yes there are key words that trigger on blog so that the FBI and National Security can monitor them.No trick theyhave every right to do that as afar as I’m concerned.In Australia especially they have a new software and it lead to the arrest of dozens of child abusers.

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  185. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:32 pm

    To all who are discussing ERECTIONS ETC. I know is not a bad word or anything but my opinion is that “it should not be discuss anymore” my point is that if someone other than the sincere fans read this articles it can be taken out of context and do more damage than good for Michael and his children – talk about the good he did and other things but nothing sexual – that is the past he suffered enough because of it thank you

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  186. June 8, 2013 5:23 pm

    The good news are that Katherine and Rebbie have reconciled( from what I´ve read.)I know from expierience that when wristcutting and Curt Cobain are in the mix it signifies a serious situation.Rebbie and Katherine and T.J. (but where does he live?) must work in concert with competent professionals.The best is to ask the professors of adolescent psych.. at a university hospital for advice. Deep emotional issues cannot always be verbalized to family members.In my language adolescence is ,if literally,concretely translated, called the breaking age.It is a time pivotal for forming your identity separate from the family.Ofcourse this does not mean to separate from the family.,just a necessary developmental stage towards adulthood..Not so easy even without other complicating factors..

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  187. June 8, 2013 1:11 pm

    Only a fool or someone unfamiliar with the internet or who is not keeping up with the news would believe they are all alone on their PC’s. Only a fool would think no matter what devices or software they use think they can not be detected by law enforcement if the incentive is good enough.

    Some of you might want to go to the below websites and read up on what constitutes child exploitation before you continue to play this game.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/fighting-child-exploitation

    http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/

    Click to access Thematic_Paper_ICTPsy_ENG.pdf

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  188. June 8, 2013 7:24 am

    “Helena, if you wanted to removed that ugly word, as you call it, lol, with all due respect, no problem. It is an ugly word. I’m sorry, I did not know that that word bothered you, for this is your very first time telling me of it.” – Angie

    The word “erection” is not ugly in itself, but it is surely not for this blog, and when you repeat things like “rubbing” “erected” “penis” several times in one sentence even in the negative form, it gets firmly associated with the person we are talking about here. The same goes for the word “ped-le” which we never use in connection with the name of this person (Rule No.1 if I remember it right).

    It is because even if it is in negation it still sticks. It is human psychology and the specifics of our perception. That is why I personally use only the word Innocent in connection with Michael Jackson – just to counter-balance all the dirt said about him by others.

    Example: If you are learning English and want to remember the word “yellow” it does not matter whether it is in negation or in a question form. “Yellow” in a “yellow fence” or “not yellow fence” is memorized equally well. “It Michael’s fence yellow?” “No, Michael’s fence is not yellow.” It does not matter that it is not yellow – what matters is that after a hundred of repetitions this word finally becomes associated with a certain name.

    And you know which word was repeated about Michael not a hundred times – but thousands or even millions of times. Say “Michael Jackson” and the word will automatically spring to your mind through all the repetition. This is the mechanism of human perception which journalists like Diane Dimond use when they repeat this word about Michael in various combinations a dozen times within the first ten sentences. And this was and is still being done by the media on a wide scale and done deliberately.

    Now you are using all this “penis erection thing” for the same purpose and it has not been lost on me. That is why I said I wished people stopped taking me for a fool.

    Let us agree that I have warned you.

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  189. June 8, 2013 7:00 am

    “Helena, I don’t agree with you, when you say MJ’s genitals rubbed against Wade Robson and Brett Barnes.” – Angie

    I never said it, so please don’t twist my words. What I also don’t agree with is the game you are playing here.

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  190. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:47 am

    Helena, if you wanted to removed that ugly word, as you call it, lol, with all due respect, no problem. It is an ugly word. I’m sorry, I did not know that that word bothered you, for this is your very first time telling me of it. And please don’t say “I’m taking you as a fool”. How would I know that that word bothered you, I can’t read your mind, neither have you told me not to use it until now. So please don’t pass judgement on me, because it’s not true. As for the pervious post, I believe I used the word, so you can blot those out as you did the others. I did not read your comments regarding that yet, not until after I already posted. Now that I’ve read your comments, I know not to use that word anymore. And again, I apologize, I simply didn’t know that ugly word offend you.

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  191. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:27 am

    Helena, I don’t agree with you, when you say MJ’s genitals rubbed against Wade Robson and Brett Barnes. MJ said he was on one end, and the kids were on the other. And that possiblity of MJ’s body touching a child’s body while sleeping, why can’t it be a arm, or foot, etc. Those are the parts of the body to mostly likely touch another person’s body while sleeping in the same bed with others, not the penis, which is bondled up in underwear and pajamas. It’s pure BS Helena. Chandler, and Wade today, says MJ masturbated them, then forced them to do him back. They kissed, etc. It’s absolute complete BS.

    To get it in your head, again, Jordy Chandler and Wade Robson said, they said MJ kissed them on the lips, masturbated them, then MJ forced them to masturbate him back, etc., it’s complete BS. If I were you Helena, I wouldn’t let ‘Christian’s’ lies get to you. I’m surprised you fallen trap to him. Now you believe MJ’s genitals touched Wade Robson, and Brett Barnes. It’s a complete lie. MJ was on one end of the bed, and the kids on the other end. The only possiblity that MJ’s body had contact with children, would be an arm, or leg, sense those are the longest parts of the body to reach and touch, not a shielded penis in underwear and pajamas.

    I’ve slept with children, and the only thing that touched, was limbs, such as a foot, arm, leg, but not a shielded penis, in the deep corner of the thighs. Even Steve Harvey said his child was sleeping with him, and children can sleep wild, the only touching was arms, feet, but not genitals. It’s complete BS. I wish you all would stop poisoning your mind with complete lies.

    —-
    Note from VMJ: I never said that anyone’s genitals rubbed against anyone at all. I simply don’t use this kind of language and am disgusted at having to discuss it.

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  192. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:02 am

    I told you this ‘Christian’ guy thought he was sleek, can’t fool me you loser. You’re whole purpose of asking all these questions, regarding sleeping in the same bed with children, was to see if MJ were a child molestor. Who did you think you were fooling loser? Well it sure wasn’t me.

    Again, you’re making a complete fool of yourself, because who are you to judge that MJ’s genitals were erected on a child while sleeping in the same bed, ask yourself, “How do I know this?” The answer is you don’t know. And according to MJ, and most of the children, who wanted no money off him, MJ never touched a child. Like MJ said, he slept on one end of the bed, and the children on the other. And the only reason why MJ paid off the Chandler’s, is because his lawyers, etc. told him to. Also, it wouldn’t look right going to trial, it would ruin his reputaion. This is why MJ still had so many fans after all these false allegations, because he wasn’t seen doing these long trials, and then for people to play it back in years to come, whenever they made mention of it, etc. Hey, MJ didn’t even want to do too many interviews, let alone go to trial. Hey, MJ was filthy rich, that little money he paid off to the Chandlers was nothing. It cost ‘father Chandler’ his life, ha. Even the spirit world says the Chandlers were lairs, LOL!

    Loser ‘Christian’ you’re making a complete fool of yourself, lol! This is why MJ said numerous times that he were going to continue to share the same bed with children, on International TV, because he had absolutely nothing to hide. With all the false allegations, etc., being said, and going into detail, etc., I’m sure MJ had enough sense to know that his genitals being rubbed against a child’s body were molestation, and would of been too afraid too continue to sleep in the same bed with children, after all he’s been through with these accusations. But MJ continued to sleep in the same bed with children, and even mentioned it on International TV numerous times, because MJ had absolutely nothing to hide. It was all out of complete innocence. MJ even advised others to sleep in the same bed with children, because it’s a loving warm experience, out of complete innocence. Now if you’re ‘Jack the Ripper’, then it’s not a good thing, that MJ weren’t, unlike you ‘Christian’ with that 9 year old neighbor (if that story is even true), and many preist in the Catholic churches, etc. MJ wasn’t going to stop sharing his bed, just because of the twisted minds out there, including you ‘Christian’. ‘Christian’ go get a life, you loser. And I’m here to tell you now, no good is going to come to you for harrassing MJ and his fans. You’re pay day from God is coming soon, so get ready for it. Whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not mocked.

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  193. June 8, 2013 3:35 am

    “Helena did you Google Nocturnal Penile Tumescence? ” – “Christian”

    Due to your insistence I did and found the following from Wiki:

    “Nocturnal penile tumescence (abbreviated as NPT) is a spontaneous erection of the penis during sleep or when waking up. The condition of awaking with an erection is known colloquially as “morning glory” or “morning wood”. All men without physiological erectile dysfunction experience Nocturnal penile tumescence, usually three to five times during the night, typically during REM sleep.
    REM sleep in adult humans typically occupies 20–25% of total sleep, about 90–120 minutes of a night’s sleep. REM sleep is considered the lightest stage of sleep, and normally occurs close to morning.”

    So this NPT mostly occurs in the morning, and this I have seen. It is not full-time erection, but is a sort of swelling which I saw under the shorts. If a man does not sleep naked and is in his shorts or even pajamas which MJ was using it may easily go unnoticed. The key word here is that is happens during REM sleep, or closer to the morning. REM sleep during the night also takes place but for short periods of time which a man does not remember, while to the morning glory he wakes up.

    If people sleep in a spoon position and not separately, yes, it may be felt even through pajamas despite the man’s wishes. If they sleep on different sides of the bed like friends do (MJ’s situation) it will be unnoticed. Considering that an occasional touch could happen during the night I would not recommend anyone to sleep with a child for the simple reason that it may happen despite your wish and even without your knowing that it ever happened. This is probably what Michael had to accept as ‘negligence’ when the Chandlers’ case was settled, though I doubt that this negligence ever happened.

    Guys, I am sorry but I am talking about this in so much detail because now I begin to realize that this is what WR has in his claim. This recurrent “Christian” is not just here for nothing.

    Michael most probably never thought about things like that and never realized that the problem could be considered that bad. In fact children sleep in their parents’ bed too (and like it very much) and for some reason no one pays attention to the NPT problem though, judging by the Wiki article, it is unavoidable for fathers to have it and their biological children can also see or feel it. If this is so big a problem as “Christian” paints it we must be consistent and forbid the parents to have their own children in bed too.

    A scientific discussion should follow until what age it is more or less okay, and since what age it is out of the question. If children in the family have to sleep together for lack of a separate room or bed, regulations should be set about the age difference allowing or forbidding it (for example, a three years difference is okay and a five year difference is a ban) and measures should be taken to provide the family with extra housing space not to allow this outrage to happen.

    It is a big social and economic problem, guys. And all this because Michael Jackson was such a terrible magnet for children that WR, Brett Barnes and others wanted to stay by him day and night. Most of the times Michael stayed on the floor as this was his favorite way of sleeping, but yes, he was also negligent to allow them to crawl into his bed, only I doubt that he knew what a terrible scientific problem it is. He simply did not think or know about it and this was indeed his biggest problem.

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  194. Christian permalink
    June 7, 2013 7:04 pm

    Helena did you Google Nocturnal Penile Tumescence? If you did you would know that EVERY man has 4-5 erections every night, unless they are physically impotent. Are you suggesting Michael was physically impotent? Because I’m sure Lisa Marie would correct you on that one!

    So what do you think Michael told Brett Barnes for instance when they slept together on all those hotel rooms and Brett erchance noticed? It would have been inevitable over those many many nights. Would he have said it is perfectly natural, or would he have just ignored it? I wish I knew so I could find some way of handling my own predicament!

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  195. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:20 pm

    YES I AGREE 200% – IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND I HATE TO SAY IT BUT THIS INCLUDES FAMILY ALSO – I HAVE READ QUITE A FEW THINGS ABOUT IT

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  196. June 7, 2013 5:19 pm

    Murray has no shame.Neither has he expressed remorse.His last chance to change the course of events was on 6.20 2009 at the tough love meeting. He totally failed being a doctor,obeying AEG.For the money.

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  197. lynande51 permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:25 pm

    His instrument is the one that told him and she was the one that sold the tape of him.Money! Absolutely everything about Michael comes back to the greedy vultures that want his money.

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  198. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:44 pm

    I do wonder who tells Conrad Murray what is going on in The Jackson Family with Paris etc.. and he finds out pretty quick considering he is supposed to be locked up in Jail.

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  199. June 7, 2013 8:22 am

    Good that you put an end to this “Christian” useless chatter
    I am not surprised over Paris action.She is in a most difficult situation and I hope she will be allowed to stay in a therapeutic miljeau for a while.At home everyone is up to their ears in the trial.In a good unit for adolescents she would have several proffessionals to talk with, and they are bound by confidentiality.If this happened on the East coast I know exactly whom I would refer her to for an initial evaluation and treatment plan.They say she feels fine.Well
    these kind of difficult situations and feelings do not go away in a few days.And often ,though a family means well,they are not the best environment.Naturally they can visit her if she so wishes.I really hope her guardian will understand the seriousness of Paris trouble(trouble sounds too trite reallly).The other 2 children will also have their share,they just may express it differently.
    And to AEG; They must have had many sessions for their memories,to know what to not understand, what to forget,what they maybe misunderstood and so on.And maybe whom to pay off or get rid of to be sure.
    ps,my teacher said that the very poor and the rich get the worst treatment.
    And I hope WR`s conscience, if he has any, will never give him piece.

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  200. June 7, 2013 4:43 am

    “I didn’t realize talking about my and Michaels erections while sleeping with children” – ‘Christian’

    If YOU have erections while “sleeping with children’ it does not mean Michael did – especially since he did not “sleep with children” in the meaning you are propagating here.

    So BOTH premises used by you for your mental erection exercises are wrong. To be able to make any comparisons the circumstances described should be exactly the same, while here there is not a single thing in common.

    And I am not even saying that comparing you with Michael is impossible – what people think is the very core of them, and your and Michael’s ways of thinking are like poles apart.

    Tell me what you think and I will tell you who you are.

    If Jesus travelled with a group of male companions two thousand years ago it does NOT mean that what some person with erection ideas thinks of him now is true.

    My congratulations to you – you will be banned for the third time. Your persistent desire to come to this blog no matter what is amazing.

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  201. Christian permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:30 am

    I’m sorry for the stir I caused. I didn’t realize talking about my and Michaels erections while sleeping with children would offend so many people. That’s the tragedy of the world today that as adults we can’t speak about perfectly natural and innocent occurrences without people screaming “pervert!” Or “ped…ile!”

    Now I know how Michael felt when people’s own dirty minds make something innocent into something filthy. I thought I would find sympathy here, having the same problem as Michael, but instead I find suspicion, mistrust and projection. No wonder Michael was sad all the time.

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  202. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:01 pm

    A cry for help and I hope everyone listen to Paris, she is suffering, she is being hurt all over again – and now the media is calling the situation “JACKOS CURSE this is outrageous

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  203. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:57 pm

    As you said, Helena.

    Nobody cares about the kids. We have scumbags that are making careers out of slating their dad – morons who don’t know a damn thing.

    Scum like AEG and Robson.

    The kid is only 15, and it’s so terrible what she has to put with, it’s heartbreaking.
    Michael protected those kids so heavily because he knew the crap they would receive. …was he crazy to do it? The ones that scolded him for his parenting skills are ones that are KILLING his children. To Hell with them all, makes me SICK.

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  204. June 6, 2013 7:13 pm

    “Apparently Paris screamed for Michael before doing what she did”

    Paris did it because her father is kept being insulted. This is unbearable for her.

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  205. June 6, 2013 7:10 pm

    Angie, you have mentioned that ugly thing which I cannot tolerate in this blog THREE times in your last message and all three of them have been redacted by me. I wish people stopped taking me for a complete fool.

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  206. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:01 pm

    Apparently Paris screamed for Michael before doing what she did 😦

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  207. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:59 pm

    ANGIE: You obviously have a good and innocent hart, with all respect to your opinion, Dr. Murray is full of it – he is a hypocrite human being, he never showed remorse for what he did to MJ and the Judge told him so at the Trial – thank you

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  208. Angie permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:49 pm

    ‘kaarin22’ I agree. But he’s saying the children want to sleep in the bed with him, and if he doesn’t let them, it’s going to hurt their feelings. I don’t believe that. And even if it were true, he could give an good explaination to why he can’t sleep in the bed with them, and the children would accept it,because he will still be in the same room with them, even though he would be in his own bed, or on the floor. ‘Christian’ is just full of BS.

    Now if ‘Christain’ were sleeping in the bed with children out of complete innocence like what MJ did, then it would be ok. But ‘Christian’ had ……

    Many children sleep in the same bed with their parents, wether both mom and dad, or just either mom or dad, and that’s out of complete innocence, that’s how it waswith MJ when HE slept in the same bed with children, out of complete innocence.

    I bit a parent, a father, who sleeps in the same bed with their child, doesn’t ……

    MJ even said that he would allow his children, Prince and Paris to sleep in the same with an adult, if they were a good trusted friend, etc. I mean why can’t sleeping just be sleeping, why do it has to be sexual. Sleeping and having sex are two different things. Get that through your perverted heads.

    Now I will stop mentioning taling about these dumb ‘Christian’ comments. It’s a waist of time and energy, something not even worth talking about. And he shouldn’t even be on this site disrepecting MJ and his fans with ………… I will stop talking about this unless perverted topic, but as long as he comes on this site talking crap, I will let the truth be known. ‘Christian’, stay off this site, and never come back. You derserve to be banned.

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  209. June 6, 2013 5:10 pm

    “Stop these “Christian” comments.If he so wants to sleep with children he can get his own bed or sleep on the floor.” – kaarin

    I have deleted all comments concerning this talk about ‘erection’ because it reminds me too much of some real ped-lia talk. Their favourite method is to “discuss it” until everyone is so desensitized to it that the initial shock about all this being said about children is gone.

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  210. June 6, 2013 4:55 pm

    “Everything has been building up to this.”– newrodrigo

    Oh my God. I half expected something of the kind. All their life the children were shielded by their father from the nastiness of the world, and I can imagine their feelings when they saw how ugly it is . Hearing Wade Robson saying these terrible things about her father made her realize what nightmare Michael was living in and what he had to go through. And the AEG trial is also showing to her the state of utter misery and humiliation he was living in the last months of his life. He didn’t show it to them and they did not know. They spoke about art, musems, making films, positive things. And now they know how much pain he was living in. This is a terrible shock. All the children are now in great peril.

    And for some reason no one thought what effect Wade Robson’s lies could have on them. This Judah was the last person to think of what he was doing to Michael’s children. It is we who heard those stories day in, day out – but they did not. And now all of it is crushing on their heads.

    Here is the story about Paris’s suicide attempt:

    Paris Jackson “Safe,” “Doing Fine” After Suicide Attempt, Uncles Say
    CELEBRITY NEWS
    JUNE 5, 2013 AT 1:00PM BY JUSTIN RAVITZ

    Get well, Paris Jackson. The 15-year-old daughter of the late Michael Jackson was rushed to an L.A. hospital early Wednesday, June 5 after she attempted to commit suicide. TMZ was first to report the story, and Jackson’s biological mother, Debbie Rowe, confirmed the news to Entertainment Tonight, adding that her daughter had “cuts on her wrist.” UPDATE: Paris’ uncles Tito, Marlo and Jackie Jackson tell TMZ, “Thank you for the outpouring of concern and support for Paris. She is safe and doing fine. We truly appreciate you respecting our family privacy at this time.” An attorney for her grandmother, Katherine Jackson also told the site, “Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention.”

    Steve Whitmore, a spokesperson for the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department, tells Us Weekly: “We responded to a call regarding a medical situation at 1:27 AM,” with authorities quicklky arriving at the Jackson family’s Calabasas, Calif. residence. “When we arrived, the paramedics were giving medical treatment to the patient. Treatment was offered and given. The patient was then transported to a local hospital.”

    Confirming the suicide attempt to Us Weekly, an insider explains: “She has major depression issues, a lot of it stemming from her dad’s death.” It’s been almost exactly four years since Paris’ world-famous father died of a drug overdose at age 50. “It’s very real and very sad,” the insider adds of Paris’ struggles. “She has been extremely depressed and not been able to sleep lately, staying up all night.”

    Shortly before her emergency, Paris — whose siblings are Prince Michael, 16, and Prince Michael II, 11 — tweeted cryptic messages suggesting she was in a low state. “Wonder why tears are salty? Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away now it looks as though they’re here to stay.”

    Despite Wednesday’s troubling incident, Paris has in recent months been forging a “great relationship” with biological mom Rowe after a lifetime of estrangement. “Paris has a lot of troubles, but she has forged a real mother-daughter relationship and friendship,” with Rowe, a source tells Us. Rowe has been “teaching her to ride horses, giving her a horse, taking her out for lunches and shopping. They have a beautiful relationship.”

    Regardless, the source adds “It has been hard for Paris to adjust to this new life without her dad. She misses him constantly and has acted out.”

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/paris-jackson-attempts-suicide-rushed-to-hospital-201356

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  211. Angie permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:40 pm

    ‘Truth Prevail’. I think that Dr. Murray reaching out to Paris was sincere. I think that he thinks that he was required to reach out to Paris, since he thinks Paris is acting out because of the anniversary of her father MJ’s passing is near, in whom he is responsible for MJ’s death.

    As much as I hate Murray for taking the life of MJ, he didn’t mean to, so it’s natural for him to try and reach out to Paris and comfort her. I’m sure he wish he had made other choices while dealing with MJ’s insomnia if he knew he were going to kill him in the end.

    This is Murray’s message to Paris:

    “I don’t know if there’s anything I can do to solve your pain or help you with your problem but I wanted you to know that I am here for you,” Murray, 60, said in a recorded message posted on the gossip site. “I have never been gone.”

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  212. June 6, 2013 4:18 pm

    Stop these “Christian” comments.If he so wants to sleep with children he can get his own bed or sleep on the floor.

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  213. June 6, 2013 4:11 pm

    Murray is out of his mind, trying to ingratiate and somehow seem close to the Jackson family.
    He lives in a fantasy world, I recall he claimed he consoled the family and said that he broke the sad news of Michaels death to the family. Both of these facts only in his imagination.
    It is awful what he is doing now. Where were his psychological attributes when Michael
    withered emotionally in front of his eyes?I hope Paris is not even told of this at present. Ofcourse she will learn of it later.Don´t prisoners get punished when doing something wrong?
    He in particular should not play psychiatrist.Hope he will do his 4 years.He had a last chance on 6/20 2009 to put his foot down, but he obeyed AEG.Does not even deserve being a doctor.

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  214. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:31 pm

    Guys have you heard the recording from Conrad Murray to Paris he is saying some very strange things and i got the impression he was reading from a script or something.

    What do you all think?

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  215. June 6, 2013 1:01 pm

    Slitting your wrists is far from actually committing suicide or wanting to die.You may actually feel you want to die, but .It is something to take seriously and is a cry for help.So far she has mostly shown her happy ,successful side to the public.But that is not all of her. Maybe it it has been difficult to show her grief appropriately.I don´t think that sending her away to a boarding school at this time is a good idea.She needs an environment where she can comfortably let out her difficult feelings.She must still and always will have feelings about her fathers death, and just now so much is happening.The family should inquire from a university hospital, they often run sc day-programs for young people who need more than therapy sessions.I really hope she gets the best help, something her father never got.
    a side note: Any person who has lost a parent before age 17 will suffer somehow as result.

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  216. lynande51 permalink
    June 6, 2013 12:30 pm

    @Christian
    So you are a man that had to do what…Google that information? I don’t think so.

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  217. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:32 am

    I think Debbie confirmed Paris had tried to kill herself.

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  218. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:30 am

    Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct.

    Michael had kids in his home, why? Because he shared with them hospitality, because he was a generous and kind soul, too good for his own good.
    From this, he would gain things in his life that he never had, a childhood.

    Why sleep with kids in the same room? Honestly? Because I believe he used them for comfort. Michael was bad with his nerves, anybody can see that. He suffered insomnia, so those kids probably helped feel at ease until he fell asleep. And he was INCREDIBLY lonely. If he wasn’t with children at night, he would call anybody and everybody to talk to til he felt tired, and that took hours.

    You have to understand his reasons for really doing this. Not because he wanted slumber parties and not because he was a pe-le…

    But because he was a mentally frail and desperately lonely man, who needed comfort with him. The mannequins in his room in his youth ALONE should show us that.

    Michael had a stunted mind, he didn’t like reality and so cordoned himself off in his own world. He was philosophical and religious, and lived by his own rules.
    That was very sad for him. ..but none of it means he was guilty to wrong intent towards children.
    Like it says in the Bible, Jesus said we should all be childlike and innocent, and what with Michael’s nature, I think he took that lesson to heart the most.

    And let’s not forget, he slept with his brothers in his life. Times he really liked and cherished, and he was probably trying to regain those. Save occasions where they brung girls back. But there is something cosy about going to sleep with family. And Michael thought of children as his family, often calling them cousins.

    Me myself, I used to share a bed with my family members on occasions in my youth, and I fondly remember them. Every memory I have involves talking and laughter, trying to get to sleep. As I said, it was cosy and special times.

    And I believe Michael felt the same and wanted to recapture that too.

    Now regarding this issue.

    The only time I have really shared a bed with a child is when I’m trying to get that child to sleep. I’m a big kid myself and I love telling stories myself, but I’ll only ever ask for permission from the parent if it’s ok for me to tell the kid a story and tuck them in, because I’m being egged on. Children take to me that way I guess.

    But I wouldn’t go around and start doing what Michael did…I’m not him, I didn’t have his unfortunate issues.

    I’m 22 and my 18 year old mate came around the other night and slept at mine. We play games on the PS3 and watch films. And we both dossed out next to each other on the bed and we didn’t care. And I have a king sized bed, not a single, so it’s not like that lol

    I get the inappropriate stigma attached to Michael being a man sleeping next to children.
    But like I pointed out, he had the mentality of a child. ..somebody with youngish ideals, his stunted mind.
    It was innocent, but it shouldn’t of happened.

    So really Christian, you shouldn’t be doing what Michael did.

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  219. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:59 am

    OK this thing about Paris attempting suicide I don’t believe it just yet because I have not got this news from a reliable source maybe she went to hospital for something else its just the media spinning it saying it because she tried attempted suicide most likely trying to distract the public and truth seekers from the AEG trial.

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  220. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:43 pm

    I pray that Paris will be OK she along with her brothers have gone trough a lot – ii’s just not fair — PARIS SWEETHART BE STRONG YOUR DAD IS LOOKING DOWN AND WILL KEEP YOU SAFE – BE STRONG, AND BELIEVE – GOD BLESS YOU

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  221. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:12 pm

    ‘newrodrigo’, nevermind. I googled, and I now see the info., regarding Paris attempt to suicide, these articles went into further detail. I’m sure she’ll be ok. Praying for you Paris.

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  222. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:03 pm

    ‘newrodrigo’ How do you know Paris tried to slit her wrist before? And where did you read that she overdosed? I got the news, but the article never went into detail on what Paris did. Where did you get the information from?

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  223. newrodrigo permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:57 pm

    Everything has been building up to this.

    She’s cut her wrists before, but the overdose was the final blow.

    I also blame AEG and Robson for this, as these new allegations have really affected her.

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  224. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:54 pm

    Poor Paris. I’m praying for her. I wonder what she did, that caused her to go to the hospital. I know she tried to commit suidie, but I wonder what she did to do that. It’s June, and her dad’s 4th year anniversay is coming up, that’s why she’s taking it hard. Poor baby. I’m praying greatly for her. I’m sure she’ll be fine later. She’s in God’s hands. Love you Paris.

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  225. newrodrigo permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:02 pm

    And poor Paris has tried to commit suicide 😦

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  226. TatumMarie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:21 am

    Right, the only interview that allowed room for a twist was with Martin Bashir one because he asked so many loaded questions and edited responses tremendously.

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  227. June 5, 2013 6:47 am

    “Helena, if I were you, I would ban him immediately, because he’s full of mess. And this is a website regarding the vindication of Michael Jackson, not a counseling session for pedophiles.” – Angie

    We needn’t take this person seriously. “Christian” is simply to pull our leg here and tease us with innuendoes. No need to really explain to him/her anything at all.

    At numerous requests I have banned this person (though it won’t help – they return under other names) and will probably delete part of the comments made in reply to his stories as this is indeed not a porn site.

    I am terribly sorry that some comments will have to go.

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  228. June 5, 2013 5:37 am

    “According to their concrete thinking if I said I shared my ice cream with them we would have been eating it out of the same bowl. The whole thing is a matter of semantics.” – lynande

    So they are making all this fuss around the word “share”? I’ve noticed that Michael was not very good at explaining himself during those interviews. He didn’t like public speeches, was evidently nervous and all those impudent questions like ‘Are you a virgin?’ or leading questions like ‘Do you find it acceptable to share a bed with a child?’ shattered him and made him say things he didn’t really mean. Bashir was especially good at playing word games with Michael.

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  229. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 9:57 pm

    From looking at ‘Christians’ comment: “Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal. I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.” – Christian. He’s definately a perv.

    I haven’t read this comment, until now. ‘Christian’, you shouldn’t have ever gotten that close to a 9 year old little girl, and you’re a grown man. First off, grown men shouldn’t be sleeping with little girls, and whoever allowed it is perv themselves. It’s ok, if the same sex, such as boys with boys, and girls with girls, sleep together, but not the oposite sex. That’s why we have separate restrooms for the opposite sex, let alone for sleeping arrangements for the opposite sex. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I hope you end up in jail.

    Helena, if I were you, I would ban him immediately, because he’s full of mess. And this is a website regarding the vindication of Michael Jackson, not a counseling session for pedophiles.

    ‘Christian’, if you need help, go on the Dr. Phil show, but this is not the place.

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  230. lynande51 permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:43 pm

    It’s just that this is not even really happening. This is a group of about 4 girls that think they are cute and funny. They are on Twitter now too. Their entire Mantra consists of the 2 books, the photos and the word sharing. Here is my response to their game with the word sharing..According to their concrete thinking if I said I shared my ice cream with them we would have been eating it out of the same bowl.
    The whole thing is a matter of semantics.What a certain word means when placed in a certain context.You can’t chose one word to base a conclusion on it must be the entire statement and the circumstances in which it was said to reach the true meaning of a word within a statement.

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  231. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:31 pm

    I agree with Helena. Ignore that ‘Christian’ guy, he’s probably trying to find an answer to see if MJ were really a child molestor. Just b/c you may be one, you can’t place that on MJ. MJ had no childhood, had Neverland, etc. MJ was only trying to recapture his childhood. It’s a shame that people can even think this way. Lunatics for sure. Everyone ignore ‘Christian’, he’s only trying to throw us off, and find false answers.

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  232. June 4, 2013 4:38 pm

    “Why is anyone responding to Christian anyway since it is obviously a detractor sent here to detract? This is so obviously someone elses agenda so just remove the comments and stop wasting time on it/he/she. You only help it when you respond to it at all because there is no conversation to have there. If this was one of my patients I would just end the session because it is inappropriate, end of story.” – lynande51

    Lynette, I’ve allowed this crazy discussion only for the reason that there are too many people thinking that way too. When I read comments on articles about Michael most of them follow the same lines (except that 9-year old girl part of course). This is still a big number of those who keep saying that Michael ‘invited children into his bed’ and make all sorts of crazy suppositions like that one made by this “Christian”.

    Of course he is a detractor and of course he has an agenda, but sometimes I can’t resist giving these people all the rope to hang themselves with. I’m sorry, I probably shouldn’t have.

    However no naughtiness goes unpunished and I’ve immediately paid for mine. I’ve read one more part of Shawn Trell’s testimony and see that he and his lawyer Stebbins turned the discussion of the contract between AEG and Michael into a terrible farce and judging by the lack of media response no one noticed it again.

    So many lies told, so rosy a picture painted of the ‘great’ contract they had! And I absolutely cannot understand why Panish is keeping silent about it! I haven’t yet read the last part of Trell’s testimony but I am beginning to be disappointed with Panish. This was such a great chance to tell the whole truth about that contract but he did not take this opportunity. If he does not do it in the future it will be unforgivable.

    After reading the sweet story Shawn Trell made out of their contract my hair is standing on end. And these lies are going unchallenged?

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  233. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:18 pm

    Exactly.

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  234. lynande51 permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:53 pm

    I have a question…why is anyone responding to Christian anyway since it is obviously a detractor sent here to detract? This is so obviously someone elses agenda so just remove the comments and stop wasting time on it/he/she. You only help it when you respond to it at all because there is no conversation to have there. If this was one of my patients I would just end the session because it is inappropriate, end of story.

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  235. newrodrigo permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:02 pm

    Absolutely.

    The bed stuff was way overblown. Ridiculously overblown, because of the accusations.

    My girlfriends 3 year old niece cones over and she always jumps into my bed and asks for stories and I get beside her and tell them to her. Even her friend got beside us once and I wasn’t going to say no, because somehow it’s wrong or unacceptable from certain people. I love telling stories to kids and interacting with them, because it makes them happy, and it makes me feel good because I’m entertaining them and also myself 🙂

    Is it wrong to make children feel loved and see them smile? Even in a situation where they want stories in bed? If anybody says it is, grow the fuck up.
    In this day and age, kids need all the love and innocence that they can get.
    I see kids as young as 8 smoking tabs and swearing worse than adults. That’s wrong.
    And if I want to keep my niece away from that and make her feel loved, unlike most kids nowadays, then so be it. I was playing with toys at 8 and getting stories myself, not exposed to such darkness in the world that seems to be creeping up on the young and corrupting them. It’s frightening.

    Michael had the right idea.

    Now this Christian. ..He’s either a troll or a pe-le…either way, he needs locking up.

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  236. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:36 am

    “The exact thing that society worried Michael would influence people on.
    I guess their fears are now confirmed lol”

    but what MJ meant was sharing your bed as in giving your bed to a guest since it is considered a very good gesture.

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  237. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:32 am

    ” I could feel his erection only if he had certain intentions towards me. From my experience I never saw a man with an erection “just because he had it” – no, each time it was with a certain purpose.”

    Exactly I cant have an intimate feeling like an erection unless it is triggered by a woman I have previously been intimate with kisses etc.

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  238. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:28 am

    @Christian

    “The problem is that like most men I have erections while I am sleeping. It is natural. The thing is, should I be worried about that?”

    Okay you should just avoid sleeping with kids altogether especially if you can’t help getting erections.

    Please don’t speak for all men because I am a man and I don’t have erections or feel aroused in anyway when I am sharing my bed with a friend or relative or nephew or niece me personally I don’t have any thoughts or sex or women when I share my bed or with children.

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  239. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:51 am

    Exactly right, people make things up – their mind are not in the right place – so stupid to think that way

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  240. June 4, 2013 8:28 am

    “the activity of bed sharing is different amongst blacks and whites. In my house, and many others, it was okay to share beds as long as boys stayed with boys and girls stayed with girls. In the black community, especially the poor -beds are not a sexual component unless you are trying to force someone into bed which Michael never did.” – Tatum

    This is exactly what I wanted to say. Judging by the dimensions of the Jacksons’ house all the boys in the family were crammed into one room and all the girls were in another room. How all the boys slept in one room I cannot imagine – there must have been two of them in an ordinary 90cm wide bed and these beds one over the other. Howver this was normal for Michael. He grew up that way and most probably did not even understand what others meant by all that talk about how bad it was to “sleep together”.

    If you are used to it from childhood and it has been okay for you for half of your life you will need a lot of explanation to be done to you later to explain why it is finally ‘not okay’ and everyone thinks it so disgusting.

    By the way McCauley Culkin also slept with his brother on a sofa. I remember that it was a very sore point for him that when he was already earning millions his father did not buy him a separate bed.

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  241. June 4, 2013 8:07 am

    “Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal. I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.” – Christian

    I was taking care of my peonies or would have banned you. Yes, I have slept with a man but I could feel his erection only if he had certain intentions towards me. From my experience I never saw a man with an erection “just because he had it” – no, each time it was with a certain purpose.

    That is why if you indeed had an erection for “a 9-year old girl living next door to you” it means that you are a pedophile. Normal men do not have erections for little girls. Normal men do not have erections for little boys. Normal men have aversion for this kind of thing.

    Tell me that it was a nasty joke or I will ban you or report you to someone who will handle you professionally.

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  242. newrodrigo permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:56 am

    The exact thing that society worried Michael would influence people on.
    I guess their fears are now confirmed lol

    I’m not entertaining this troll however.

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  243. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:35 am

    Why are you sleeping in bed with girls and so close? I think your trying to be funny and this is not the place.

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  244. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:30 am

    @Christian
    So is it wrong for you to sleep in the bed with your own son?

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  245. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:25 am

    This person is just ignorant. I couldnt agree with Dr. Katz observation of Michael because a 10 year old would never be a parental figure to those children. The whole bed sharing drama was blew up by the white main stream media. The facts are like you’ve stated Michael never invited anyone in his bed but at the same time the activity of bed sharing is different amongst blacks and whites. In my house, and many others, it was okay to share beds as long as boys stayed with boys and girls stayed with girls. In the black community, especially the poor -beds are not a sexual component unless you are trying to force someone into bed which Michael never did.

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  246. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:03 am

    Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal.

    I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.

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  247. June 4, 2013 6:49 am

    “Sometimes it is because I have to pee and if I get up and relieve myself it goes down. Other times.. I am interested in your thoughts.” -Christian

    That was quite informative, thank you. My thoughts are that Michael probably did the same. Also went to pee and that settled the problem. Then he went back and tried to fall asleep again. If there were some children sleeping in that room I don’t see what effect it could have on his actions. Seeing them there most probably cooled his head after having erotic dreams about women.

    If he could not fall asleep (which he certainly couldn’t) I hear he went to his huge bathroom and listened to music there. He had a big collection of music in his bathroom.

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  248. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 6:39 am

    Thank you for taking me seriously Helena. Sometimes it is because I have to pee and if I get up and relieve myself it goes down. Other times, though this is rare, I may have an erotic dream about some woman. Sometimes I wake up, sometimes I have a vague recollection about having had such a dream when I awake in the morning. I suppose there are times when I have no idea whether I have had an erection in the night or not.

    You mentioned nocturnal emissions, this hasn’t happened since I was 14.

    I am interested in your thoughts.

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  249. June 4, 2013 6:20 am

    “What are your suggestions?” – Christian

    I am not a man, so please inform me on the subject before I make any suggestions. What do you do when you stay in bed alone and have an erection in sleep? Does it always wake you up? And what do you do next? And how big is the problem, I mean, how often does it happen?

    Sorry for asking but it is not me who started this intriguing subject.

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  250. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:30 am

    Helena I agree, a bed and sleeping does not equal sex but what can I do about this embarrassing problem? What would Michael have done? We know he was a hot blooded heterosexual male and would have had the same problem with Macauley on one side of him and Kieran on the other.

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  251. June 4, 2013 4:38 am

    “Sleep and sex are two different things, get that in your head.” – Angie

    Exactly.

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  252. June 4, 2013 4:27 am

    “Hello, I have taken Michael Jacksons advice and started sharing my bed with children which I really love.” – Christian

    There is no need for stretching the truth here. Michael NEVER gave this advice to anyone. And we do NOT advise it to anyone at all.

    This was not an “activity” for Michael – it was simply a way of life. He slept on the floor most of the time and gave his bed to others. In his Hideout flat he did not even have a bed at all and slept in a sleeping bag on the floor, did you know that?

    Most of the children say that when they crammed into Michael’s bed to watch TV, etc. he would stay on some couch or sleep on the floor. One of the reasons why he was doing it was most probably his back – he preferred a hard surface for sleep (after his stay in Ireland they had to change the mattress for a softer one for tourists who now stay in the same bed – the one he had was impossible to sleep on).

    As to children they imposed themselves on him and not he on them – this is what is crucial here. He never “invited” and never “advised”. They simply followed him everywhere he went and he adjusted himself to it as he could never say “No” to anyone, especially to a child.

    Unless we had exactly the same kind of life, faced the same isolation as Michael did and have turned into exactly the same people like Michael none of us are expected to behave the way Michael did. All of us are too “adult” for it – in the meaning of us having too much dirt in our minds.

    You are an adult and he was a big kid. Even psychologists like Katz said that he was a “regressed ten-year old’. This I can only partially agree with but in terms of perceiving the world he was more like a kid than a seasoned “adult”.

    The world is hypocritical and he was sincere to the point of harming himself. No one forced him to speak on TV that he would give his bed to children or anyone at all, but he nevertheless said it and by saying it showed his incredible innocence.

    People like that can’t even imagine any of the things you are talking of.

    And if males have erections in their sleep I think it results in a spontaneous ejaculation and that’s it.

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  253. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 3:33 am

    ‘Christian’, obviously you’re a perv, MJ wasn’t. Sharing your bed with children are not for everyone, only for people who are sane, and who doesn’t think about sex 24/7, or whenever they are lying down. I even slept with children myself, and sex was no where to be found in my mind. Only going to sleep. Why can’t going to sleep only be about going to sleep, why does sex have to be involved? I guess sex is in the minds of pervs. Everyone in the world sleeps, animals, insects, flowers, people, etc. Why can’t you just sleep without thinking about sex? You obviously have sex issues for sure, if you can’t even sleep without thinking about sex. Sleep and sex are two different things, get that in your head.

    MJ never had a childhood, so he thought it special to be able to recapture his childhood by befriending children, and purchasing Neverland, etc.. MJ obviously saw himself as a child when he saw children, that’s why he dressed them like himself many times. MJ also saw the face of God when he saw children. MJ felt loved and comfort when he was with children, they were his inspiration, and what kept him going in life. MJ said, “If it weren’t for children, I would choose death”. This is why MJ shared his bed with children, etc., because he felt loved and comfort with them. It was all out of purity. I’m a living witness. ‘Christian’, please go seek some help before you be behind bars.

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  254. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:33 am

    Hello, I have taken Michael Jacksons advice and started sharing my bed with children which I really love. The only problem is that sometimes I wake during the night and I have an erection. Should I be worried? I am not sexually attracted to children at all.

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  255. May 26, 2013 5:11 am

    “I pray to God that this is the last time that Michaels good name is dragged to the mud… thank you to all of the fans and the people that believe in Michael – we have to keep praying and believing and continue his work – thank you God Bless You All” – Isaura Reid

    Thank you too. Indeed all of us need to keep praying. You are asking why this is happening? Probably because the Master of Deception is raging and is going completely mad. May God help us in this long and enduring fight for the truth. God Bless you all.

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  256. ISAURA REID permalink
    May 25, 2013 9:30 pm

    I pray to God that this is the last time that Michaels good name is dragged to the mud, – It is very upsetting, I ask myself WHY, why so many have to pick on MJ, why to treat such a good, honest, amazing human been like this, – He was (is) so very special – maybe that is why because it will never be another like HIM – thank you to all of the fans and the people that believe in Michael – we have to keep praying and believing and continue his work – thank you God Bless You All – L.O.V.E – PEACE

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  257. May 24, 2013 2:09 am

    “I’ve already said it, but AEG is losing their case and WR is showing his true colors. God is still taking care of Michael, through people that still believe and trust in him. I give God the glory for what he’s doing here, and I also give you the appreciation for being a tool that God is using.” – Linda

    Yes, AEG is losing their case and it can’t be different, however the main problem here is for the general public to see things as they are and not to be led astray by all those outside issues like WR and his lies. So it is absolutely not enough to win the case in court – AEG created a situation now when the overall reputation of Michael Jackson is at stake.

    AEG evidently decided that if they cannot win the case they will at least drown Michael in the mud to “justify” all the contempt they felt for the “freak” which is why they treated him in this despicable way.

    As to being a tool God is using – thank you, Linda, I am just trying to do what I think God is expecting of me. But let me also say that ALL of us are expected to be co-workers of God. This is why we come into life at all and this is the ultimate purpose of our lives as human beings. Otherwise our life is wasted or lived only at an animal level. And humans are only half-animals. There is still another half.

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  258. Linda permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:19 am

    @vindicatemj

    Let me redirect you and everybody else to the real source of all these miracles – it is the power so overwhelming, so mighty and so incredibly inventive and even witty in guiding people, that it leaves me awestruck.

    I know that feeling Helena. I may have alluded to this here before, but when I was being attacked at my church by an ex-husband who got several deacons and elders believing some horrible things about me I heard God’s voice several times. He said, basically to keep my mouth shut and he would vindicate me.

    Don’t you know how badly I wanted to speak out against all the lies, but I knew God was going to take care of it, so hard as it was I walked in there several times a week with my head held high. I felt like crawling in there with my head bowed in shame knowing what people were thinking of me.

    In one night everything came out at a private meeting with the pastor and these deacons and elders. My Pastor showed some legal documents to them that he asked me for and they were all shamed, because they also had gone against me over what my ex was saying about me.

    I didn’t have to fight to prove that I was a descent person, God did that for me through other people. “Be still, and know that I am God” took on a whole new meaning for me. I have a feeling God dealt with Michael much like he did with me, because he also didn’t get out there and defend himself or bash those that insulted him. I think he prayed and let God handle his enemies.

    Michael talked a lot about God, not a higher power, not an unseen force, or some inner strength. He gave credit where credit was due, to God. So many people are afraid to say God did this, or God spoke to me. God speaks, all we have to do is listen, and we’ll hear him.

    I’ve already said it, but AEG is losing their case and WR is showing his true colors. God is still taking care of Michael, through people that still believe and trust in him. I give God the glory for what he’s doing here, and I also give you the appreciation for being a tool that God is using.

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  259. May 9, 2013 7:27 am

    Helena,I have some problems with the windows7 to which I had my computer upgraded. I did not know the change would make my previous,clear and easy e-mail disappear. Supposedly it is still somewhewre in the computer, just no I have not installled a new one. Will wait till I get some expert advice.There was also my address book with all my friends, medical journals etc. I will make efforts to retrieve it before I install a new one. I never foresaw this problem.

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  260. May 2, 2013 5:33 am

    “Check out this article on Thome, in french,I did only understand much of it.But I think it is relevant.”

    Kaarin, from what I could make out of the Google translation it is a rather well-known article written by Roger Friedman. He interviewed Tohme and when checking up on him discovered that Tohme was no doctor, no ambassador and was working for the Colony Capital. The article was published in Forbes but as it is customary now is no longer found.

    I copied it when the link was still working and used it in this post: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/the-story-of-michael-jackson-tohme-neverland-and-some-irrelevant-questions/

    Here is the article again:

    February 17, 2012

    Michael Jackson‘s estate has finally filed a lawsuit against Tohme Tohme, who used to call himself “Doctor.” Tohme was Michael Jackson’s penultimate manager–meaning he was replaced just before Jackson’s death by Jackson’s longtime manager and friend, Frank DiLeo. But Tohme, the estate says in a complaint filed by attorney Howard Weitzman, ran amok during his short term between January 2008 and March 2009. It was Tohme, working for Thomas Barrack‘s Colony Capital, who pulled off the sale of Neverland to Colony.

    But according to the complaint, Jackson never understood that Tohme was also going to receive a finder’s fee for doing work for his own employer. Jackson had no lawyer representing him in his many signed agreements with Tohme, and so didn’t understand that when Colony came up with $24 million to bail out Neverland, Tohme would get $2.4 million.

    Tohme, the complaint further reads, got Jackson to sign an agreement paying him $35,000 a month. He was also to receive 15% of all gross compensation Jackson received for anything he did in the entertainment field. Jackson signed not one but two Power of Attorney documents giving Tohme “extraordinary” powers. He also gave himself a $100,000 per month producers fee for the run of Jackson’s London concert dates–from July 2009 through at least March 2010.

    All of this Jackson signed without a lawyer, and despite numerous stories (many written by yours truly) about Tohme’s many assertions about his credentials being false.It was during Tohme’s regime, for example, that the contents of Neverland were emptied and consigned to an auction house in Beverly Hills. The auction didn’t proceed when Jackson finally got a grip, and a lawyer, stopped the auction. Tohme then took back the contents and warehoused them.

    When Jackson died, the estate had to negotiate with him to get back the property. Out of luck was Julien’s Auction House, which published a now collectible catalog of everything that had been in Neverland.“Tohme took possession and control of money and property that belonged to Jackson. Tomhe did not return to Jackson and refuses to deliver to the executors all of the property and cash belonging to Jackson that Tohme took possession and control of.”

    On a side note, Tohme used to claim he was a doctor from Lebanon. But he could never prove to me that he was a doctor and when I questioned him about it in 2008, he told me wasn’t practicing. He did say he was Ambassador at Large to Senegal, but their Embassies denied it.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/17/michael-jackson-executors-finally-sue-singers-final-manager/

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  261. May 2, 2013 5:08 am

    Helena.my own computer is out of order at this time.Check out tis article on Thome, in french,I did only understand much of it.But I think it is relevant. Who sys that he ever stopped Working fot TB as well.

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  262. April 29, 2013 11:35 am

    For info on Thome Thome see,www.Re.Mysterieux Thome Thome-MJFrance Forum. It is in french.He is no doctor of anything and nobodys ambassador.An article march 6th 2013

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  263. Sina permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:12 pm

    I really hope Michael’s mom and children are not aware of the nasty things people say, using their son and father as an excuse.

    Accusing Katherine Jackson of the dirt that AEG and the public are throwing at Michael is as ignorant as blaming a woman who got raped for exercising her rght to walk on the street when and how she wants to. It is a waste of time to try reason with that kind of rethoric.
    To me the title ‘Fan’ lost its meaning when Michael died. Now it means anyone who can log in and have access to a fansite or forum, nothing more, nothing less.
    I am a supporter of Michael but more than that I support justice and truth, and not fan sites, groups or self-proclaimed MJ experts.
    I respect the bloggers and some individual fans who do a tremendous job as advocates for justice and awareness and for the preservation and advancement of Michaels artistic and humanitarian work. Or for taking care of weekly flowers at his site.
    Michaels legacy is untouchable, has been for more than 40 years, even in the darkest times.
    Everyone should rely on their own common sense and not be afraid to go against popular opinion. That is what Michael was up against his entire life.

    @ Helena. Maybe its better to delete the comment, its not worth quoting, it does not represent anything that Michael stood for.

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  264. April 27, 2013 1:28 pm

    Helena, I read your mail and I will answer you.
    It’s incredible what’s going on on some forums and I saw it also in the past. That’s why I never go to forums, because people there are only discussing and arguing and want to get their opinions out. They rather want to talk themselves than to study and listen. It’s not a fruitful communication because people are rather interested in expressing their opinions than to study the facts and learn. I’ve seen it many times. That’s why I feel at home here.

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  265. Linda permalink
    April 27, 2013 8:00 am

    @Helena

    I won’t tell you what particular forum it is, but it is a well-respected MJ forum which is used by many of us as a reliable source of information (this is why I went there). Instead of Michael’s fans I found myself surrounded by AEG’s collaborators calling Katherine an enemy and dragging through the mud her and her “deadbeat cubs”.

    It’s really sad when a fan site that we feel is reliable does a flip flop like this. Then can do more damage than all the haters out there. I can’t understand anyone standing on AEG’s side in this. They were horrible and seemingly had one intention. To destroy Michael and take him for everything. I’m along the same line as someone else that posted here. I don’t believe they had any intention of these concerts taking place.

    They were going to put him out of commission, one way or another, and it didn’t matter to them if he got too sick to do them, or died trying. There, I finally said what I’ve alluded to many times but couldn’t bring myself to say it. As far as I’m concerned, they killed Michael, and he was not an addict. An addict is going to be healthier than an average 50 year old.

    I think Michael dealt with a lot of pain in his body, like I do. People have worried about me becoming addicted to pain pills. I tell them I would rather be addicted to pain pills than the pain. Pain pills can also help with emotional trauma, which he had more than the average person by far, so it’s very understandable if he used them to get through some of those hard times, but we also know that he used every tool at his disposal not to become an addict.

    I haven’t figured out what web site you are referring to since I rarely go to any other fan site but yours. I let you do most of my hard work, thank you very much. Now I’m going to see if this one will post and if it does I’m going to type up for you exactly what the malware message says and try it again.

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  266. April 27, 2013 12:48 am

    “I suppose it could be a coincidence since computers are pretty weird, so I won’t jump to any conclusions, but I know Michael’s haters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves, and I’m sure so does AEG. It may be coincidental, but it’s interesting that the only time I’ve ever gotten a warning like this for you site is right before the big trial.”

    Linda, I am not surprised, not surprised at all. Nothing surprises me any longer.

    “I’m sure the media will make a circus of this and most people still won’t realize the truth. The comments section on every article about this is mostly negative. Michael brought it down on himself, drug addict, poor Murray, money hungry family still trying to make a buck off Jacko. Hopefully, someday people will see the truth. I’m hoping “This is it.”’

    The fact that the media says it is not surprising – we never expected anything of them. But who do you think is saying this?

    I’m looking forward seeing Katherine on stand and trying to keep up with her web of lies.

    I hope AEG has been keeping tabs on their interviews and use them in trial for exposing their lies and how they twist everything to fit their agenda.

    At this stage, I don’t care how badly K and her cubs are exposed during the trial, they deserve every bit of it, and more.

    I can’t wait to see all of the Jacksons explain away how they change their minds to suit. I hope AEG have done their homework. And I am seriously hoping LaToya is called, can’t wait to see her explanation of how she knows her brother was murdered.

    AEG’s strategy should be to go after her and her real motivations for filing this lawsuit.

    By showing her contradictions and lies to the jurors, AEG might be able to reduce the amount of money (in case AEG loses) jurors are willing to award Katherine. If AEG shows the lies, contradictions, Katherine’s own responsibility to MJ, her greediness for money will portray her in bad light, so I think it might help AEG reduce the amount she’ll be awarded if any, at least I hope so.

    I won’t tell you what particular forum it is, but it is a well-respected MJ forum which is used by many of us as a reliable source of information (this is why I went there). However instead of Michael’s fans I found myself surrounded by AEG’s collaborators calling Katherine an enemy and dragging through the mud her and her “deadbeat cubs”.

    I’ve spent there the whole day trying to say a couple of words on what I saw, but all I got was a 3 hour moderation of my replies and a long argument with the admin who accused me of bias towards Katherine while they are (notwithstanding 130 pages of statements similar to the above) are evidently being totally unbiased.

    What did you recently tell me about the way to know the real value of things? That you will know them by their fruits, right? So what are we supposed to think of this “fan” forum then? There are so many of these people, some of them being brainwashed, but many knowing perfectly well what they are doing, and it is them who are determining the general attitude of the public. It is them who write all that dirt about Michael’s mother and praise AEG for what they are doing now and what they did to Michael.

    This is why coming here and seeing the dear you after the horror of it is an indescribable feeling. I am so happy that I have you and others and we are staying together. How much longer this will last before they grab our passwords and get here too I don’t know – but they are already here, among us, reading these words now.

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  267. Linda permalink
    April 26, 2013 10:31 am

    Helena, I did get that same message again tonight when I posted, but this time I do see my post . I wrote it all down for you but can’t find it in the comments. Your prtsc didn’t work either. My computer froze up on that page only. Really weird. If you want I’ll write it all down for you again exactly what it said. I don’t know what is going on here but this is really weird.

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  268. Linda permalink
    April 26, 2013 8:59 am

    @Helena

    In theory someone could try to enter this blog to steal my password and destroy the blog from within, or it may be a trick to drive people away from it (and then who is doing it I wonder?)

    That is exactly the thing that came to my mind Helena, and then the fact that it wouldn’t let me copy it made me think it even more. I must have tried 10 times to copy it because I wanted you to see it. I wish I would have thought to write it down for you, but if I get it again I have your instructions for a screen shot. I’ll do that next time and get it to you.

    I suppose it could be a coincidence since computers are pretty weird, so I won’t jump to any conclusions, but I know Michael’s haters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves, and I’m sure so does AEG. It may be coincidental, but it’s interesting that the only time I’ve ever gotten a warning like this for you site is right before the big trial.

    This trial, to me is even more interesting than dr Murray’s. IF all goes well, we might get to the truth of what really happened and who ALL was actually responsible for Michael’s death. Murray was a fall guy and guilty as charged, but he isn’t the only culprit. He didn’t testify in his own trial and doesn’t want to in this one either. Interesting. What’s keeping his mouth shut? Or should I ask, Who? Or should I ask what’s he getting by not talking, and from who?

    I’m sure the media will make a circus of this and most people still won’t realize the truth. The comments section on every article about this is mostly negative. Michael brought it down on himself, drug addict, poor Murray, money hungry family still trying to make a buck off Jacko. Hopefully, someday people will see the truth. I’m hoping “This is it.”

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  269. April 25, 2013 6:13 pm

    And there was one more sad announcement which came from WordPress. They say that Yahoo will no longer allow publicizing the blog through a previously built-in Publicize feature. I don’t know whether it concerns all wordpress blogs (probably it does) but the message was as follows:

    WordPress.com
    Apr 15 (10 days ago)

    to me
    Hi there,

    We’re getting in touch to let you know about a change in the Sharing Settings on your WordPress.com or Jetpack-powered WordPress site.

    One of your sites was previously connected to Yahoo! Updates through the Publicize feature. Yahoo! is no longer supporting their Updates API, so we’ve disabled your connection and your posts will no longer be Publicized to Yahoo! Updates (if you’ve connected any other services, such as Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Tumblr, these will still work just as before). You don’t need to do anything, we’re just letting you know.

    You can check your current Publicize connections by visiting Settings → Sharing in your Dashboard.

    You can read more about Publicize in this support article.

    Thanks for flying with WordPress.com!

    This will surely curtail the opportunities previously opened to us on Yahoo.

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  270. April 25, 2013 6:06 pm

    Linda has informed me of the following:

    “my Google Chrome came up with a message that said your website was infected with malware that could steal my identity and all kinds of bad stuff happening to my computer. I tried to copy and paste it to you, but it wouldn’t even let me copy it. I don’t know where that came from and I don’t see my post, so I don’t know what just happened.” – Linda

    I don’t know what it is either, but have checked up the wordpress forum and found the following advice from wordpress if a malware sign appears:

    Site marked as unsafe?
    kellymrivard Member Feb 29, 2012, 9:06 PM

    I’ve been getting complaints lately from regular users saying that their anti-virus programs have been marking my blog as “unsafe.” I can’t think what would be posted there that would be considered a risk. Help?

    timethief Member Feb 29, 2012, 9:10 PM

    Does this help? http://en.support.wordpress.com/https/#how-do-i-get-those-annoying-security-warnings-to-go-away
    Note that your readers can “white-list” your site in their anti-virus programs.

    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/site-marked-as-unsafe?replies=4#post-830104

    Another piece of forum information is a useful tip for me. It seems that making links to pictures on the Internet may be unsafe, so I will now first download them to my computer and only then post them here. I will also try to go over the last pictures posted in this blog to see which were taken direct from the Internet to reload them via my computer:

    need help ou my wordpress acusing some kind of malware
    casualfashionsl Member Aug 13, 2012, 4:45 AM

    Hi there!
    I came here to ask for your help. When I try to enter in my wordpress blog, through the google chrome, appears some mind of malware saying the blog is unsafe… I don’t know whats going on… It’s something about a google evaluation that the owner of wordpress need to ask for our blog… Can you help us solving this?

    auxclass Member Aug 13, 2012, 4:59 AM

    typically this happens when you are linking off site with something – common for pictures that are hot linked from a site that is suspicious – are you linking to pictures off site?

    timethief Member Aug 13, 2012, 5:53 AM

    Click on the link within the malware warning notice as doing that gives you more information and help you identify the source of the issue.

    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/need-help-ou-my-wordpress-acusing-some-kind-of-malware-1?replies=3#post-974952

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  271. April 25, 2013 3:18 pm

    I have a feeling that this lull is the eve of a big fight between Truth and Lies.
    God help us.

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  272. April 25, 2013 2:20 pm

    “This overactivity in the press must be AEGs work.” – kaarin

    Yes, it must be AEG. But how are they doing it so that 200 plus news sources immediately spread it all over the world?

    T.Barrack goes and buys them up, converts them to rental homes with good profit.It is….How to make money on peoples misery.

    People divide into those who help and those who take advantage of others in misery.
    When those who take advantage of others call it their “saving” this is is called cynicism.
    And when they shout all over the world that they “saved” something or someone not disclosing the real fraudulent terms on which it was done what is it called? Successful business?

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  273. April 25, 2013 1:37 pm

    All this overactivity in the press has to with the suit against AEG and Valerie Wass trying to overturn Murrays verdict. I wonder what she will do with those masses of the implant stories as she has based most of her work on Michael using demerol.That was Kleins choice,as he said it has some local anestetic qualities as well.This overactivity in the press must be AEGs work.
    Thomas Barracks specialty is distressed property. As you know many people lost their homes as they could no longer pay the mortgage. The bank took the homes and left the people with the debt. Now banks have sold these homes in bulk,100 or so at a time. No way for a private person to attend such auctions. T.Barrack goes and buys them up, converts them to rental homes with good profit.It is….How to make money on peoples misery.

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  274. April 25, 2013 12:22 pm

    “That story from the Sun about the implant is the biggest nonsense. If that were true we all know it would have been in the autopsy, so how can anyone believe it?” – Linda

    The story has been disseminated by so many sources that it is natural for people to believe. It is the usual way lies are propagated. The one who has not heard or doesn’t believe it may even feel ashamed that he is so “backward”:

    “Have you heard that Michael Jackson had this and that? You haven’t??? But it is all over the news!” They will laugh at the person’s “ignorance” though in fact he is simply not falling for the lies. To avoid this mockery people often keep silent and don’t bother to argue. And this is how the lies win.

    The problem in the case of this implant is that the disproval of the lie is not getting the necessary coverage. In fact it does not get any coverage at all.

    “the Bible, talking about the true believers says, “You’ll know them by their fruits.” There’s a lot of deceivers in the world that try to look good but their fruit is rotten.”

    Exactly. Knowing people by their fruits is the only way! If you come to think of it by showing us the way to differentiate deceivers from those who tell the truth the Bible is pointing to us where the real evil is – it is in LIES. And the more I live the more I realize that it is indeed the case. Lies are the ultimate evil no matter for which reason they are told. Truth is the only remedy to heal the world.

    Michael was thinking that way too. Look at his lyrics in Cry:

    Stories buried and untold
    Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
    When will this mystery unfold

    All we have to do
    Is reach for the truth

    And when that flag blows
    There’ll be no more wars
    And when all calls
    I will answer all your prayers

    Change the world

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  275. April 25, 2013 11:53 am

    “I think the Jackson family probably shouldn’t need all this money, but if this is what it takes for all guilty of Michael’s death then it’s good. I always felt AEG has a lot to account for.” – Linda

    That much money they probably needn’t but they won’t get it anyway. As fas as I know civil suits are always for bigger sums with a view that only some part of the money asked is awarded. But to me this money thing is primarily the matter of justice and is more of how much AEG loses than how much the Jacksons gain.

    AEG’s major driving force was squeezing the maximal profit from Michael, so in terms of justice they should reap what they have sown. Their greed ruined Michael’s life, so it would be only fair if now it rebounded upon themselves. And what the Jacksons do with the money (if they get it) will be Katherine’s business. I trust her judgment and think that though she will surely take care of all her children, a least some of it will be spent on the projects Michael would approve. Probably Neverland will be purchased back.

    In Sullivan’s book Tohme said that Barrack planned to sell Neverland at four times as much as he paid for it:

    It was a Tom Barrack kind of deal. He had never been the sort of investor who wanted to “ chase yield” by buying properties with secure tenants and predictable returns, preferring to seek out undervalued assets that could be rehabilitated and sold for a big profit. That was exactly how he’d made a killing on London’s Savoy Hotel. Neverland Ranch, he imagined, might sell for as much as $50 million if it was marketed properly. Aside from being relieved of payment obligations, Michael was guaranteed to receive whatever profits were left after Colony deducted its investment in the note, plus accrued interest, management, upkeep expenses, and a 12 percent “ success fee.” If Barrack was right about the eventual sale price, Jackson stood to come away with as much as $20 million.

    …Reeling from a simultaneous collapse of the real estate and financial markets in fall 2008 that had already cost him an estimated $1.3 billion, Barrack was energized by the realization that at least one of his properties might actually be increasing in value. By January 2009, Colony Capital had hired eighty workers to complete Neverland’s refurbishment, all with an eye to selling the place for up to four times what he had paid for it, as Barrack explained to the Wall Street Journal.

    In the book Tohme says that Barrack would share the profit with Michael if Neverland were sold however I don’t believe him – Tom Barrack himself said that he bought the foreclosure note on Neverland on condition that Colony Capital gained ownership of it:

    Nov 28, 2010

    Colony would bail Jackson out of his substantial debt; in return, the firm would assume ownership of Neverland, and Jackson, after a thirteen-year hiatus, would go back to work to generate new revenue. http://nymag.com/news/business/69782/index1.html

    If the Neverland deal was not reversed and all its terms still hold it would be interesting to see what happens if the Jacksons want to buy Neverland back. If we are to believe Tohme, even if they pay for it four times as much, under the terms of that agreement they are still to get half of the profit back, aren’t they?

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  276. Linda permalink
    April 25, 2013 8:29 am

    The Sun and National Enquire are in the same league. How can anybody buy these papers, believe the crap, then write in the comment section like these are factual stories. Are people really that gullible or do they just use anything to spout off their hate? That story from the Sun about the implant is the biggest nonsense. If that were true we all know it would have been in the autopsy, so how can anyone believe it?

    Other point Helena, I do agree that when anyone dies people have a habit of saying they are in a better place no matter how they lived. I guess that’s trying to make people feel better about their death, but not always true. Everybody that dies doesn’t go to heaven, but the Bible, talking about the true believers says, “You’ll know them by their fruits.” There’s a lot of deceivers in the world that try to look good but their fruit is rotten. Michael did a lot of good but never advertised it. He did his good deeds before God, not man. I’d much rather have God pat me on the back than the entire human race.

    Deceivers can keep up a good front for a time, but eventually their true nature is going to slip up. Michael was human and did make mistakes like we all do, but he always came through with a pure and humble spirit. I see a lot of good fruit in his life. You will reap what you sow, either in this life or the next, and Michael sowed a lot of good seed.

    I think the Jackson family probably shouldn’t need all this money, but if this is what it takes for all guilty of Michael’s death then it’s good. I always felt AEG has a lot to account for.

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  277. March 3, 2013 7:49 am

    “I wish more people did before judging him. But, “judge not, lest you be judged” is something to think about.” -Linda

    Yesterday evening I read a terrible site run by people calling themselves conservatives: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/michaeljackson/index?more=7227775 . The site is an incredible read. “SHED NO TEARS FOR THIS TWISTED SICKO” typed in bold letters is a typical headline.

    They think themselves so clever, so knowledgeable and so important. But what you really see is only ignorance, conceit and a good deal of fake belief in God which they parade on every occasion. The sight of these pathetic clowns is both disgusting and hilarious. On occasions they criticize some hateful “communists” who are supposed to be their total opposites. If they only knew that these “communists” are exactly the same kind of people, with the same stereotyped thinking, lack of flexibility and ignorance. Both types supposedly know everything there is to know, while in reality no one can be more backward than they are. In fact these ‘freerepublic’ people and our hardliners would make a perfect match. If only they could be placed on some island! They have so much in common that they could probably make it.

    After reading this site I realize that it is not only ped-lia lobby which is trying to bring Michael down, but people like the above too. If the proportion of these people is high among the population then the fight for Michael will be long, tiresome and bloody. And the most terrible thing of all is that they simply don’t want to know.

    Their hypocrisy and double standards are unbelievable. On the one hand they can say that Michael has “excessive coverage” (in case a neutral story appears) but on the other hand they clap their hands and are the first to run with lies (if they are nasty of course).

    In general they biggest woe now is that Michael’s death was mourned by millions of people – this is something they simply cannot get over. “This orgy of phoney grief over Jacko shows how empty our values have become”, “Mob grief proves Britain is more wacko than Jacko” are again the typical headlines.

    One article has caught my attention though. It is called “What you Believe does Matter . . . FOR ETERNITY (Michael Jackson’s Life)”. The article is the usual ritualistic scream about the way hypocrites understand Jesus. Their own behavior is the best evidence that they understood nothing of what Jesus said and did, but this nevertheless does not stop them from screaming the loudest. Here is an excerpt:

    What you believe does matter . . . FOR ETERNITY!!! In all of the intense media coverage after the death of pop superstar Michael Jackson, the one thing that has driven me crazy has been hearing over and over, often by high-profile Christians, that Michael is now at peace in Heaven. Really? I hear this same thing whenever a famous person dies, regardless of what they believed during their life, as well as from people when a family member or close friend dies, again, regardless of what they believed during their life.

    If this is true, then what is the use of the Gospel? If this is true, why should anyone waste their time and effort telling people about Jesus? If this is true, then the death of Jesus on the cross was a meaningless exercise, His resurrection didn’t need to occur, and people can believe whatever they want during this life and make it to Heaven. THAT MY FRIEND IS THE UNIVERSALISTIC LIE FROM HELL!!!
    ..
    After his child molestation trial concluded, on June 17, 2005 I wrote these words, “Even though he has been acquitted of the charges brought against him, the moment he dies he will stand before The Judge, God Himself. At that moment, if he dies without Christ he will be standing all alone. There will be no high-priced defense attorney, no family, no fans, only God who will judge him for his sins and cast him into everlasting darkness. At that moment, if he has accepted Christ as his Savior by faith, he won’t be standing alone. Next to him will be the ultimate defense attorney, JESUS CHRIST, who will tell The Judge that his sins have been paid for and Michael Jackson will be ushered into God’s presence for all eternity.”
    ….. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2283167/posts

    So this author says that if he dies without Christ he will be standing all alone there? And there will be no defense attorneys?

    But isn’t the overwhelming grief that suddenly took over so many people the best proof that Michael wasn’t standing there all alone? And there was a huge multitude of defense attorneys speaking for him? These were the millions of people who suddenly woke up to understanding that they had lost someone very precious to the whole humankind and were remembering him for all the infinite good he had done to them. These were Michael’s defense attorneys and their voices surely did reach the heavens.

    We don’t need any more proof than that.

    P.S. Guys, I’ve changed it a bit and turned it into a post. Just could not resist it.

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  278. March 3, 2013 5:57 am

    “It’s only what’s interesting or important to you that you will be willing to spend time researching. We, fortunately find Michael important enough to get to know him.” – Linda

    Linda, only three and a half hours of sleep and here I am again, amazed as usual that this is happening to me. Yes, of course it is only what’s interesting and important that I will be sacrificing my life for this way. But Michael is not simply important – he is crucial. This I know for sure.

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  279. Linda permalink
    March 2, 2013 10:15 am

    @Helena

    It’s only what’s interesting or important to you that you will be willing to spend time researching. We, fortunately find Michael important enough to get to know him. I wish more people did before judging him. But, “judge not, lest you be judged” is something to think about. We all have things in our lives that we wouldn’t want to go public. Poor Michael didn’t have a choice about that. Any and everything in his life was fodder for the media. It’s like our first Lady Michelle Obama, LOL, she changed her bangs and made headlines for weeks. So totally stupid.

    As famous as she is, she doesn’t hold a candle to Michael. He couldn’t even fart without the whole world knowing about it. I admire him greatly, but wouldn’t want to trade places with him. He actually accomplished his goal. He didn’t want to be, just another, whatever, entertainer off the assembly line, like everybody else. He wanted to be unique, different. Everything he did got him there, but what a price in the end. The most popular and loved man in the world, and the most hounded. To know him would have to be to love him.

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  280. March 1, 2013 12:28 pm

    “You’re awesome and humble. I like that you don’t want to take credit for anything Michael.”

    Lynda, thank you for thinking so well of me, but I am not really humble. For example, it hurts me a lot when someone uses the research I make and attributes it to themselves (it concerns not one or two people, it is a rather wide-spread process). It hurts because this way people take things ready-made without contributing any of their time to it, but stealing my health and several years of my life that went into learning all that. That is why I ask people to make references to this blog if they express the same ideas, but this does not always happen.

    But what I absolutely cannot attribute to myself is the process how some discoveries were made. Up till now (I keep my fingers crossed) it has always been a combination of diligence with a good deal of chance and sheer luck when something I was looking for was suddenly given as a kind of a insight. This is the wonder of it and each time it invariably left me in awe.

    Essentially it is the same as the process described by Michael – you sit on a tree marvelling at the beauty of nature and then a song drops in your lap ready-made. And though our contributions are incomparable of course, there is one common feature here – the origin of both processes is the same. The insight drops from somewhere high above.

    Many scientists, writers, musicians experience this and will tell you the same. If you try it hard enough you will make it too. First you study the puzzle in minute detail and then a lightning bolt comes and brings the puzzle together. The usual reaction is “How could I not see it earlier? It is right here, so plain and easy”. However there is one important condition for the miracle to work – it doesn’t happen if you are not studying hard enough and don’t “heat up” your brain with thinking.

    In short it is what Jesus said:”Seek and you will find”.
    (And if you don’t seek you will not find).

    “I had a very emotional, very beautiful night tonight with my daughter via e-mail, so I’m a little emotional right now.”

    Great. This is what happiness is all about. It is made up of little moments like this one. Happy for you.

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  281. Linda permalink
    March 1, 2013 11:00 am

    Helena, You’re awesome and humble. I like that you don’t want to take credit for anything Michael. I had a very emotional, very beautiful night tonight with my daughter via e-mail, so I’m a little emotional right now.

    The fact that you were willing to research and start a blog like this is great. I rarely comment on any blog but this one, so you kind of brought me out of my shell. Thank you and keep up the good work. You are making a difference!

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  282. March 1, 2013 10:47 am

    “Golden calf? Is that meant to be ironic?” – Matthew C.

    Yes, it is meant to be ironic. It is used in the meaning of people worshipping money and regarding it as a top fetish to which everything else is sacrificed – conscience, honesty, truth after all. It is for money that people lie, betray, kill and are ready to drag others through the mud.

    If someone like the National Enquirer offers $200,000 to anyone who says that Michael Jackson “molested” him or if someone like Philip Lemarque bargains that for $100,000 he will say MJ touched Culkin on the outside of his pants and for $500,000 he’ll say the hand was inside, it means that these people are praying to the Golden calf. Money is God in their world and comes first on top of everything else, which is in total defiance of real God’s commandments.

    “Michael Jackson WAS a golden calf, a false god. ..people screaming and weeping for him as if he was their lord and savior.”

    I’ve also seen those scenes and was also wondering. My nature is much more restrained and if I had been there I am not sure I could have screamed like that even when I was younger. But I explain it by my cold temperament. After all when Mr. Obama was elected President of the US there were also scenes of shouting and screaming, elation and tears of joy shown on TV. This must be the temperament, because it is highly unlikely that all these millions regard their president as God or pray to him like the Golden calf.

    “Michael Jackson was just a man, and if he hadn’t succumb to the fame, greed, and materialism of celebrity culture then he may have never received all that unwanted negativity publicity either.”

    With people praying only to money Michael Jackson would have received all that negativity all right as he was a precious commodity for the media and their ratings. The materialism of celebrity culture is created not by those who become celebrities due to their talent, but by those who trash the names and lives of these talents to feed off them in order to sell goods and sustain their own worthless lives.

    Yes, Michael Jackson was just a man, and if others had not succumbed to the worst in their corrupt natures he could have done much more – he could have done much more charity than he did (around half a billion), he could have saved the lives of more children (like the one of a Hungarian boy), he could have brought more nations together and taught them to understand simple but fundamental things in life (Heal the world). And he could have composed a lot more of his phenomenal music. However those who really succumbed to greed and materialism (the Golden Calf) stopped all of it.

    “The downfall of celebrities is poetic justice in a way.”

    This is what they call cynicism.

    “They live spiritually unhealthy lives”

    When people choose cynicism as their guiding spirit they choose a really spiritually unhealthy life.

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  283. Matthew Chiglinsky permalink
    March 1, 2013 8:26 am

    Golden calf? Is that meant to be ironic? Michael Jackson WAS a golden calf, a false god. I don’t know what exactly went on in his personal life, but in public people worshiped him like a living god (a false god) for decades. I remember it from the time I was a kid. All those years, music video after music video, and then there were the concerts with people screaming and weeping for him as if he was their lord and savior. It was disgusting.

    Michael Jackson was just a man, and if he hadn’t succumb to the fame, greed, and materialism of celebrity culture then he may have never received all that unwanted negativity publicity either. The downfall of celebrities is poetic justice in a way. They live spiritually unhealthy lives, and it’s no surprise when such a vain world collapses in on them.

    It’s sad what happened to Michael Jackson. It’s sad that near the end of his life he couldn’t even get a decent night’s sleep. I wish he would have been able to express his singing and dancing in a healthier forum, with less fame and attention.

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  284. February 28, 2013 11:49 am

    “We are more than one, and i’m convinced we are making a difference. I’ve learned enough here from this site that when I start talking about MJ, people listen and say “wow, I didn’t know that”, and their opinion is changing, all because of what I’ve learned here… I’m sure, because of you and your research, a lot of people besides me have learned how to defend MJ. Thank you so much for your diligence. “

    Oh Linda, now it is you who make me speechless. Hearing that I could indeed help people to change their opinion of Michael is the best reward I could get. But I am being serious when I have to repeat Michael’s words – it is not me, or at least not wholly me. There is too big an element of a miracle in the whole thing to attribute it to me only.

    When the first facts of Michael’s innocence were uncovered I myself was in a state of shock and surprise – how could it happen that no one saw it before and I found it just at the first click in a Google search? Why those facts simply jumped at me I don’t know, but this initial easiness was what made me start talking about it at all. With so many facts of Michael’s innocence lying around I thought it would be a matter of a couple of months only and all this “misunderstanding” would soon end.

    So I went to a Michael Jackson forum and said “Look here, all the facts are lying here on the surface, why don’t you just pick them up and use them to defend Michael?” However there was a practically zero response. My impression was that Michael’s fans were so fed up with the dirt that they didn’t want to dig in it any further, and so rejected the very idea of it. But I could not leave those facts unattended once I found them, could I? This is how a vindication thread started on that forum and later developed into a separate blog.

    What I am trying to say is that a good deal of it was happening all by itself, by some miraculous chance, and now I realize that even some of the worst troubles that took place on the way were only giving a new direction and impetus to what I and the others were doing. All I can really attribute to myself is curiosity and love for the truth, research skills developed through many years of work and some diligence resulting from it – but all the rest of it is not mine.

    Let me redirect you and everybody else to the real source of all these miracles – it is the power so overwhelming, so mighty and so incredibly inventive and even witty in guiding people, that it leaves me awestruck. It also leaves me relaxed because with a power like that helping us in doing this job for Michael we shouldn’t be afraid of anything at all. The only thing we need to take care of is never lose touch with it.

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  285. Linda permalink
    February 28, 2013 9:48 am

    @Helena

    Please don’t make much of it as the only criterion for our work is whether we are able to change anything in the public perception of Michael Jackson or not.

    You know if I hadn’t found this particular site, I wouldn’t know how to defend Michael. All I had was a gut feeling that he was a good person, but no facts. Because of this site, when his name comes up, I can now give some facts, and a lot of people listen to what I have to say. Pretty much everything I have to say, I learned right here, so you taught me and I teach others what you taught me.

    I once heard a preacher on the radio say “one person can set a church on fire for God”. That was actually God speaking to me personally about something that I was fighting, and it was proven to me about a year later. I’m a slow learner, lol. One person CAN make a difference.

    We are more than one, and i’m convinced we are making a difference. I’ve learned enough here from this site that when I start talking about MJ, people listen and say “wow, I didn’t know that”, and their opinion is changing, all because of what I’ve learned here.

    I’m sure, because of you and your research, a lot of people besides me have learned how to defend MJ. Thank you so much for your diligence.

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  286. February 27, 2013 11:01 pm

    “What is the time span for the million hits? I know it’s not unique visitors but I figure there are about 40 – 60 (maybe) that come to this site on a regular basis including authors”

    Tatum, the first half a million took approximately 24 months, and the second half a million took 15 months. The wordpress says that the administrator’s visits are not included, and as to the other authors I don’t know. I’ve taken away the counter now as this is not the point. In a way the stats is even a distracting factor.

    Of course I am happy that the truth is getting spread and I am very thankful to all those who come here and do this valuable work. However I presume that we are also followed by a big number of Michael’s detractors. And the worst Michael’s opponents too (the ped-lia lobby I previously mentioned). They are simply following my every step.

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  287. TatumMarie permalink
    February 27, 2013 4:41 am

    That’s great Helena! What is the time span for the million hits? I know it’s not unique visitors but I figure there are about 40 – 60 (maybe) that come to this site on a regular basis including authors – but I don’t see how that amount could have populated this many hits alone, I guess it depends on the time. I know you said not to make a big deal but I can’t help it I’m so proud. :’-) This joy is from knowing that many are hearing the truth about Michael.

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  288. February 26, 2013 6:25 pm

    We’ve reached a million hits.

    Please don’t make much of it as the only criterion for our work is whether we are able to change anything in the public perception of Michael Jackson or not.

    If at least some changes for the better have taken place this may be the only reason for celebration. The number of hits matters only if there is a result. Let us look at it only this way.

    And let us keep our fingers crossed about our and Michael’s future. May the Almighty help us.

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  289. February 22, 2013 11:51 pm

    “I feel more in touch with you than I do with most people that I am around.” – Linda

    The two of us must be Martians. I sometimes think of myself as one.

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  290. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 8:31 pm

    I see now that Yahoo and everyone else has changed their photo. I kept commenting on yahoo to haters that it was obvious that he had vitiligo and now the photo changes? How silly to think they would let the world see the obvious. Anyway it’s a good thing I saved it.

    prince_michael_jackson

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  291. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 8:24 pm

    The picture of Prince that was shown on Yahoo news was one of the best. If yuo look closely at his hand it is obvious that Prince does indeed have vitiligo like Michael. Here is a copy of it.
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AkZ8HipCNdHzj.evusi0X1GbvZx4?p=photos+prince+jackson+e+entertainement&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900

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  292. Susannerb permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:50 pm

    What I like especially in this part about Prince’s reporter job is the end where he tells that he plans to go to the USC film school (at the University of Southern California) after he finished highschool. I congratulate him for this wonderful plan:
    http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/02/22/day-4-of-prince-jacksons-et-interviews/

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  293. Linda permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:57 am

    @Vindicatemj (Helena)

    Linda, I wanted to say to you long ago that you have every right to be proud of your country – and of your country to be proud of you. I really loved meeting you here and finding so many things in common between us.

    Thank you Helena. Your comment made me feel really good tonight after a rough day at work. I feel like you and I would be great friends if we ever got together, no matter what our cultures are, and we do have a lot in common, besides Michael. I feel more in touch with you than I do with most people that I am around.

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  294. February 21, 2013 10:46 pm

    “Not only the asteroid, on that day lightening struck the Sistine chapel 3 times” – kaarin

    The asteroid nearly missed, the meteor fell but only injured (with broken glass, more than 1000 people watching the sight), and now we hear that a lightening struck St. Peter’s Cathedral on the day the Pope resigned.

    One has to be blind and deaf not to see that the universe is urging us to stop in our depravity and look up to the Creator for healing and guidance.

    “In a possible sign from above, lightning has struck the Vatican just hours after Pope Benedict XVI announced his surprising resignation. Footage shot shows the top of St Peter’s Basilica being struck by lightning during a thunderstorm over the Vatican. The resignation has caused a stir around the world, and now it seems that nature itself has something to say about it. Pope Benedict XVI is the first Pope to resign in over 700 years. He has said the reason for the resignation is that he no longer had the mental or physical strength to do the job. Now the world is left waiting and wondering who his successor will be. Video Courtesy Of Reuters”

    Filippo Monteforte, a photographer with Agence France Press, told England’s Daily Mirror that “I took the picture from St. Peter’s Square while sheltered by the columns. It was icy cold and raining sheets. When the storm started, I thought that lightning might strike the rod, so I decided it was worth seeing whether – if it DID strike – I could get the shot at exactly the right moment.”

    Monteforte waited for more than two hours and was rewarded for his patience with not one but two bolts, the Mirror reported.

    What’s a bit spooky, Ferrell says, is “that it doesn’t appear from a Google Image Search that a similar image has ever been captured before….”

    Lightning has a long, symbolic history in the Italian capital, even predating the Catholic Church: “In Rome, from before 300 B.C. to as late as the fourth century, A.D., the College of Augurs, composed of distinguished Roman citizens, was charged with the responsibility of determining the wishes of Jupiter relative to state affairs,” writes engineer and lightning expert Martin A. Uman in his book Lightning Discharge.

    “This was accomplished,” Uman writes, “by making observations of three classes of objects in the sky: birds, meteors, and lightning. In the case of the latter, the observation was always made while looking south, and the location of the lightning relative to the direction of observation was taken as a sign of Jupiter’s approval — or disapproval.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/02/12/lightning-bolt-strikes-vatican-pope-benedict-resignation/1913095/

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  295. February 21, 2013 9:49 pm

    Not only the asteroid, on that day lightening struck the Sistine chapel 3 times,

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  296. February 21, 2013 9:22 pm

    I It is great that Prince has come out into the public. He seems to know what he wants from the future. He has oftyen stated that he wants to direct movies, His interest base is large but congrous.Bestbluck to him!

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  297. February 21, 2013 8:48 pm

    Here is interesting and somewhat unexpected news of Michael’s son Prince becoming an ‘Entertainment Tonight’ reporter. Good luck, Prince!

    Prince Michael Jackson Named ‘Entertainment Tonight’ Correspondent
    3:57 PM PST 2/18/2013 by Michael O’Connell

    The 16-year-old son of the late pop singer makes his reporting debut on the syndicated show, first covering the junket for “Oz the Great and Powerful.”

    In a bit of unexpected TV staffing news, Entertainment Tonight announced Monday that it has made Prince Michael Jackson an on-air correspondent.

    Just 16 years old, the eldest child of the late pop star started his new life as a member of the Fourth Estate over the weekend at a Pasadena junket for Disney’s Oz the Great and Powerful.

    “I’m looking to become well-rounded as a producer, director, screenwriter and actor,” Jackson tells ET’s Brooke Anderson in the first footage from his gig, airing during Monday’s program.

    Jackson’s duties at the Oz junket included interviewing director Sam Raimi and actors James Franco and Zach Braff. He asked the trio for advice on how to get started in the entertainment business.

    His status as a minor means that Jackson’s appearances on ET will likely be few and far between, but the show’s announcement promised his Oz reporting will be featured throughout the week.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/prince-michael-jackson-named-entertainment-422204

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  298. February 21, 2013 3:25 pm

    “I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American. We aren’t perfect, I don’t think any of us are. We all have positives and negatives, and I’ve always been intrigued with other cultures and love meeting people around the world. Love you all.”

    Linda, I wanted to say to you long ago that you have every right to be proud of your country – and of your country to be proud of you. I really loved meeting you here and finding so many things in common between us.

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  299. February 21, 2013 12:07 pm

    “Here is Lisa Campbell’s recent interview with her local TV station. Check it out! http://www.azcentral.com/video/2176679234001– sanemjfan

    It is a delight to see Lisa Campbell in person, but I think that all this talk about a shrine to Michael is doing her a big disservice. She is presented like a mere fan and not a serious researcher she really is. Her biggest asset is that she records every little thing reported in the press, including pieces the media does not want us to hear any more, so her books are a good historic document registering all events without fail. There are no emotions and few comments of her own, which is so untypical for a fan.

    And they present her as if she was merely in love with MJ, so it looks like her three books are some love stories of an obsessed fan. I am sure that she and her interviewers discussed the books too, but they chose to overlook the main point and focus on her being a fan. No wonder one of the TV hosts doubted in the end whether she would be able to sell any.

    I don’t know whether TV does it on purpose or because they want a more “interesting” story to present (speaking about the book is boring), but the end result is that their presentation of her books does not give any idea of what they are like. And they are an absolutely fantastic chronicle of the events.

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  300. sanemjfan permalink
    February 21, 2013 8:19 am

    Here is Lisa Campbell’s recent interview with her local TV station. Check it out! http://www.azcentral.com/video/2176679234001

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  301. nannorris permalink
    February 16, 2013 9:09 pm

    I have to say, that footage is just incredible.And truly scary.We all inhabit the same planet , any one of us could have suffered a catastrophe that no one would have thought possible…..in the big scheme, we arent nations , we are one population., .
    MJ said, you cant control the oceans , or the sky. or , it seems,even space…no wonder he was so humbled by nature…He was right, he saw the bigger picture , while people sat around ,being petty.
    There is so much ego involved in countries, because countries are run by people.. Michael , imo, thought that was a waste of time, while action should have been taken..
    No wonder he would feel so desperate to make people understand the bigger picture.
    The big asteroid came closer to the Earth then the satellites that orbit up there do..
    And if that was going to hit, there would be nothing anyone on this planet could do , but hold hands and pray..That is kinda what MJ wanted people to do , out of love, not fear…He really saw the bigger picture, then most people will ever..He didnt think you should have to fear the end of the world , to see what you already have…

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  302. February 16, 2013 3:32 pm

    “The long cloud looks interesting in the clear blue sky. Here at my place we wouldn’t even have seen it because we have a cloudy sky all the time.”

    Susanne, it is due to the higher temperatures in Germany. In Chelyabinsk it is much colder and cold weather is almost always accompanied by the sun. It was like minus 13 Centigrade.

    By the way the divers didn’t find any pieces of the meteorite in the lake. I wonder what made this round hole then.

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  303. February 16, 2013 2:03 pm

    “How close were you to the meteor?”

    Lynda, it was very far away. There are 600 miles between Moscow and Chelyabinsk. I am enclosing the European part of Russia to the west of the Ural mountains (Siberia is in Asia to the east of them). Chelyabinsk is at the foot of those mountains.

    “The light was so intense that it completely illuminated the courtyard of our apartment block,” said Sergei Zakharov, head of the Russian Geographical Society in Chelyabinsk. “The sound, the shock wave came around six minutes later. No one could understand what had happened. I’d compare it to the explosion of a large flare bomb.”

    “That kind of light doesn’t happen in life, only at the end of the world,” Vlada Palagina, a Chelyabinsk schoolteacher, told the LifeNews website.

    It is only every 2,000 years or so that an object the size of a football field descends to earth and causes significant damage, according to NASA. Giant asteroids that crash to earth—such as the one that most likely extinguished the dinosaurs—tend to occur on the scale of millions of years.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324162304578305163574597722.html

    “You can only imagine the devastation if this would have hit in a more populated area.”

    That 50 tons meteor could have devastated half of Chelyabinsk, but how much bigger the devastation could have been if the asteroid weighing 130,000 tons had fallen on earth or exploded too? What’s interesting is that in both space adventures we escaped by a very narrow margin. Looks like we were spared but received a sort of a warning.

    “We all have to realize just how suddenly something like this could take our life away, and be ready to meet our maker at any second, or a heart attack, or like Michael just trying to get some sleep and trusting a sloppy doctor. Life is SO fragile and many of us take it for granted. Something like this really made me think about that.”

    Exactly! I also thought about it. This seems to be the main conclusion to draw from it. We often waste away our life on petty things putting off until tomorrow something important and don’t realize that tomorrow may never come. Life may end any minute for reasons beyond our control. So everything really important and crucial should be done NOW with all pettiness brushed aside.

    Like Michael sang: “Gonna live each day and hour like for me there’s no tomorrow” (Speed Demon).

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  304. Susannerb permalink
    February 16, 2013 1:40 pm

    Amazing! Thank God nobody was killed.
    The long cloud looks interesting in the clear blue sky. Here at my place we wouldn’t even have seen it because we have a cloudy sky all the time. From the sound I would have thought something exploded.

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  305. Linda permalink
    February 16, 2013 9:12 am

    @Helena

    How close were you to the meteor? I watched the video and that was so scary. It was like watching a movie on my sci-fi channel, but this was real life. You can only imagine the devastation if this would have hit in a more populated area. We all have to realize just how suddenly something like this could take our life away, and be ready to meet our maker at any second, or a heart attack, or like Michael just trying to get some sleep and trusting a sloppy doctor. Life is SO fragile and many of us take it for granted. Something like this really made me think about that.

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  306. February 15, 2013 11:09 pm

    Guys, here is a video about the meteor that fell today in the Urals, closer to Siberia. I was amazed mostly by the sound of it.

    The person who is recording it says that he doesn’t understand it – first there was a huge flash and then nothing was left of it except the trail in the sky. There was no beginning and no end. Then the sonic boom came which shattered the glass in many windows. People say they felt some heat and a dazzling light which made it impossible to look at the sight.

    The flash was the result of an explosion the sound of which reached the ground a minute and a half later. The meteor was calculated to be approx. 3 meters in diameter and weighed 50 tons.

    The asteroid flying by our planet also today is said to be 50 meters in diameter and is estimated to weigh 130,000 tons.

    The meteor fell into a lake, sparing many lives and leaving a small round hole:

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  307. February 15, 2013 4:05 pm

    “I hope I don’t offend anyone, but I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American.”

    You offended nobody, at least not me. It’s your right to be proud of your country. I never meant that the US wasn’t a great country, just that the US did some terrible things like every other countries

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  308. Linda permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:47 am

    Hey friends, I didn’t mean to get this big conversation going about how great America is, or how bad other countries are. I hope I don’t offend anyone, but I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American. We aren’t perfect, I don’t think any of us are. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of great things in many countries around the world. We all have positives and negatives, and I’ve always been intrigued with other cultures and love meeting people around the world. Love you all.

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  309. Linda permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:25 am

    @Helena

    God is everywhere, and many people all around the world have a fraction of Him in their souls

    I really like what you said there. The Bible says, “to every man there’s given a measure of faith.” That’s the mustard seed. That measure of faith, to me anyway, I think is enough to cause man to search for God. If you seek, you’ll find. The problem is so many people don’t seek for the truth, so they get led astray to false gods and lies. So many voices in the world distracting from the truth. If you don’t diligently search for it, you’re not going to find it, so many people are led astray.

    We have the same thing with Michael. So many people are too lazy to search for the truth about him, so they believe whatever they hear from the very biased media. The media is their only source of information. The media is who tells us what’s going on in the world. You can’t trust the media!!!

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  310. February 15, 2013 2:06 am

    Look at 6

    That kind of reporting is not different than what was done with MJ and unfortunately it helps anti americanism feeling to develop.

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  311. February 15, 2013 2:03 am

    I was talking about that

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/11/03/hannity-200-million-a-day-3000-people-he-needs/172875

    Why did they even speak about that when it’s so obvious false

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  312. February 15, 2013 12:58 am

    “Some of the US journalists lied on lots offre other things than Jacksons.” – Shelly

    This does not make things better for them. The more they lie the more dissappointed their readers will be.
    As regards Obama’s trip to India I don’t know as I really don’t watch TV now except for some music channels.

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  313. shellywebstere permalink
    February 15, 2013 12:25 am

    @vindicate,

    Some of the US journalists lied on lots offre other things than Jacksons.

    Of course, foreign journalists are biased too, but I never read that level of crap here. Remember the story by Fox news about Obama’s 2 billions dollars trip in India? It was a 10 days trip. It’s not different than what Orth did to MJ.

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  314. February 14, 2013 11:57 pm

    “But he never saw borders. I remember Rita Cosby asking him what he thought about the twin towers attack happening in NYC and he just said without skipping a beat. “Id hate it anywhere.”

    Nannorris, previously I thought that this global thinking was impossible, or was a matter of a very far-off future. But “after Michael” I think it is possible and is almost there. Not very much there yet, but the start is impressive.

    How Michael is doing it I don’t know, but he did it and in a bang too, just on the moment he died. A huge number of people suddenly felt united by him – first by their awakened interest in him, then by their fascination with him. Then by the fight we have to wage to defend his good name. Now by all of it taken together and by the realization of how much is still to be done and what huge forces are opposing us and not giving in (yet).

    And all of it is happening on its own, which surprises most.

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  315. February 14, 2013 11:33 pm

    “One of the problem that you have is in France we have some american channels here like CNN, Fox news, so we now how your media speak about France and Fox news it’s pure propaganda and sometimes very insulting.” – Shelly

    As regards the media I will also tell you what I think. Previously I had no criterion by which to determine whether the US (and UK) media is biased or not. I thought that it was not or that it was limited only to some screaming and stupid tabloids. But when this research of Michael Jackson started my hair began to slowly stand on end. At first not very much as I thought that we have to do with individual lies and they are not that widespread, but with every new year I was getting sadder and sadder, and angrier too.

    Well, now I hope that the media is this biased only in respect of Jackson and in every other respect it is telling the truth, but now I am not really that much convinced of it.

    As regards Jackson I have noticed now that all major newspapers are creating sort of archives about him and the way they make their archives manifests perfectly well how they see Michael and how they want him to be remembered.

    Only today I’ve made a post about the CNN Court TV. I’ve never watched it and don’t know how bad or good it is. But the things they decided to archive (and preserve for the future) about Jackson are simply outrageous. It is a collection of some ridiculous lies which I haven’t even heard up till now. A scrap of what someone said here, said there and all of it is mostly in the nasty tone.

    “Lubricants” used by the “sweaty naked star” while he was “entertaining” his younger friend! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that. And this is supposed to be CNN??? So how am I supposed to interpret the news they report round the world? Now that I know how they report on Jackson?

    This is what I call a criterion. The way they report Michael Jackson is becoming (at least for me) the criterion of the truth or lies they are reporting in general. On the positive note I should say that I like how the LA Times is writing about Michael. They also have their bias (as all of them do), but up till now I’ve not been able to find any absurdities there like these “lubcricants”. Lubricants are the style of Victor Gutierrez!

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  316. shellywebstere permalink
    February 14, 2013 11:30 pm

    @vindicate,

    I understand your point. I just said because we were speaking about anti americanism.

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  317. February 14, 2013 11:14 pm

    “Well, nobody is denying that the CIA helped dictators in South America not even the CIA. The fact that you helped Nazi after the 2nd world war appeared during that trial.”- Shelly

    Shelly, I never shy away from any topics in the comments but these things I would like to avoid. And not because they are true or wrong, but because they lie outside the reality of Michael Jackson (and we cannot help any of them either).

    To tell you the truth these are the realities I never really look into because when I do look I get abhorred and never know what to make of them. The bigger the power the worse the games it plays. On the other hand all these forces now are probably multinational as they group together by interests of their own – banking, media, etc. I am afraid none of us know how to deal with all of it anyway, so it is just better to stay away.

    I live more by Jesus’s principle “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” God is everywhere, and many people all around the world have a fraction of Him in their souls, and with them I feel much more at one than with some of my compatriots. However I live where I live and have to give to Caeser what is his.

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  318. shellywebstere permalink
    February 14, 2013 11:02 pm

    By the way, I am not saying that the US isn’t a great country, but your government is partly responsible for the bad image of your country.

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  319. February 14, 2013 10:37 pm

    “the statistics show that you are just an average country amongst hundred of others.” – Shelly

    And what shall I say about our statistics then???

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  320. February 14, 2013 10:35 pm

    “I am not antiamerica but i also do not get why america is claimed to be the greatest or most powerful country in the world. One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people. I think the CIA is really a questionable entity.”

    Gel, we are not discussing here who is better and who is worse, as it is my deep conviction that evil is within each person and not within nations or states. And as regards the CIA I think it is as questionable as our KGB.

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  321. February 14, 2013 10:29 pm

    “By the way, I’d like to know what were the thoughts of the Us soldiers from World War 2 when and if they read a story like that” – Shelly

    Interesting thoughts you are discussing here. I haven’t read any of them yet as I was busy with a post, but now that it is more or less ready will go over the comments.

    I hope there are no nuclear bombs dropped here yet.

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  322. February 14, 2013 9:23 pm

    By the way, I’d like to know what were the thoughts of the Us soldiers from World War 2 when and if they read a story like that

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  323. February 14, 2013 9:16 pm

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  324. February 14, 2013 8:57 pm

    “One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people.”

    It’s my point and you look very stupid when you claim you are the greatest country in the world and the statistics show that you are just an average country amongst hundred of others.

    Now to be honest the US isn’t the only country which claims to be the best, France is guilty of that too.

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  325. gel permalink
    February 14, 2013 8:45 pm

    I am not antiamerica but i also do not get why america is claimed to be the greatest or most powerful country in the world. One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people.

    A news item recently led me to a group called AE911truth. They are not conspiracy theorists but rather a group of professionals- architects, engrs., physicists, etc who are demanding for a reinvestigation of 911 event. I think they are raising very valid questions about the collapsed of WTC 7. I for one always thought only 2 bldgs collapsed that day.

    I think the CIA is really a questionable entity.

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  326. February 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    I think you might be interesting by that video

    By the way, I don’t believe France is the greatest country in the world either.

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  327. February 14, 2013 5:15 pm

    I also think that you shouldn’t confuse criticism and anti americanism, it’s too different thing.

    I don’t believe there are lots of people who hates America and the majority of people who don’t like America they have nothing against Americans.

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  328. February 14, 2013 4:56 pm

    “Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?”

    I don’t know the thruth about what is said about your country but I know how your country present itself to the rest of the world. You should watch the first minute of the Newsroom.

    Here, in France, you’ll find lots of people who are really tired of hearing ” We are the best in the world”, when all the best that you have we have it too and sometimes it’s better like the healthcare system here.

    One of the problem that you have is in France we have some american channels here like CNN, Fox news, so we now how your media speak about France and Fox news it’s pure propaganda and sometimes very insulting.

    Also, scandal like the Janet jackson incident during the Superbowl or the public outrage after the release of the Black or white video didn’t help, one fo the biggest cliche here is American are very puritans.

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  329. February 14, 2013 4:24 pm

    ” But how do you know that what you heard about America is the truth either? Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?”

    Well, nobody is denying that the CIA helped dictators in South America not even the CIA. The fact that you helped Nazi after the 2nd world war appeared during that trial.

    US intelligence and Bolivia

    After the war ended, he was recruited by the Western Allies and worked for the British until 1947.[citation needed] After that, in 1947, Barbie was recruited as an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC).[6] The U.S. used Barbie and other Nazi Party members to further anti-communist efforts in Europe. Specifically, they were interested in British interrogation techniques, which Barbie had experienced firsthand, and the identities of SS officers that the British were using for their own ends. Later, the CIC housed him in a hotel in Memmingen and he reported on French intelligence activities in the French zone of occupied Germany because they felt the French were infiltrated with Communists.[7]

    The French discovered that Barbie was in U.S. hands and having sentenced him to death in absentia for war crimes, made a plea to John J. McCloy, U.S. High Commissioner for Germany, to hand him over for execution, but McCloy refused.[7] Instead, the CIC helped him flee to Juan Peron’s Argentina with the help of a “ratline” organized by U.S. intelligence services[8] and the Croatian Roman Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganović. The CIC asserted that Barbie knew too much about the network of German spies CIC had planted in various European Communist organizations, but their protection of Barbie may have been as much to avoid the embarrassment of having recruited him.[6]

    Barbie emigrated to Bolivia, where he lived under the alias Klaus Altmann. In 1965 Barbie was recruited by the West German foreign intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) under the codename “Adler” (Eagle) and the registration number V-43118. He had excellent relations with high-ranking Bolivian officials and was known for his nationalist and anti-communist stance.[9] His initial monthly salary of 500 Deutsche Mark was transferred in May 1966 to an account of the Chartered Bank of London in San Francisco. During his stint with the BND, Barbie made at least 35 reports to the BND headquarters in Pullach.[10]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie#US_intelligence_and_Bolivia

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  330. nannorris permalink
    February 14, 2013 10:10 am

    I remember after MJ died and I was on youtube ..I saw an Iraqi or Pakistani marketplace ( cant quite remember , now)and the had three huge picture up .Princess Diana , Osama Bin Laden and Michael Jackson all being honored, together.
    Well Americans are not too popular over there obviously, but MJ was.
    The news I get all has an American spin on it , of course and MJ got nothing but grief in the American media.
    I think some people would be stunned to find out how loved and honored he is , all over the world.
    But he never saw borders.
    I remember Rita Cosby asking him what he thought about the twin towers attack happening in NYC and he just said without skipping a beat. “Id hate it anywhere.”.
    I think some people resented that he looked at the world globally , that a tiny village in Africa deserved as much respect as more powerful nations.
    He was just too influential for some people .He was rocking the boat..

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  331. Linda permalink
    February 14, 2013 8:56 am

    @shellywebstere

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that your country is awful, but it’s probably not the best country in the world either.

    This is the only country I’ve ever been in so I don’t know what the best country is to live in, and I haven’t really talked to people around the world as to their living conditions. All I know is I’ve always been proud to be an American.

    I guess my point was people all over the world probably don’t know what’s going on with anybody else. There governments keep them in the dark, and I’m sure our government doesn’t always tell us the truth either. But how do you know that what you heard about America is the truth either? Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?

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  332. February 14, 2013 1:10 am

    “I understand what you are saying and I know a lot of people around the world have no idea what America stands for because of what they are told.”

    No offense, Linda but what you said is true and false at the same time. Your country did great thing (during the 2nd world war) and terrible things too (like helping dictators ins south america or helping nazis after the 2nd world war.

    “I think a lot of us in America wonder how much of the truth we are getting from our own government also.”

    Yes, it’s my point. There are stuff that you don’t know because you are living in the US.

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that your country is awful, but it’s probably not the best country in the world either.

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  333. Linda permalink
    February 13, 2013 9:36 am

    @ Helena

    From my own experience I know that when you are staying behind the “iron curtain” they can tell you anything, and you will believe it as there is nothing else to hear.

    I understand what you are saying and I know a lot of people around the world have no idea what America stands for because of what they are told. It’s why they are told these things that I don’t understand. The leaders of these countries are telling the people how horrible we are, and that’s what I don’t understand. Why do the leaders of these countries want to be our enemy and convince their people that we are so bad?

    I think a lot of us in America wonder how much of the truth we are getting from our own government also. I remember many years ago Russia was our enemy, or at least that’s what I believed growing up, now I meet you, and you sound so much like me. I feel like if I came to Russia you would welcome me in your home, as I would you here. I feel so honored getting to know you, a Russian who thinks so much like me.

    People all over the world have so many of the same feelings, love, compassion and fears. The internet is great for meeting people and getting to know their cultures and understanding each other. It’s so sad that many people in the world don’t have the freedom of the internet to interact with the rest of us and find out who we are. The iron curtain is still up in many places. I would love to talk to people in Iran, Syria and north Korea and hear what they are thinking and feeling. I’m grateful that every day I work with people from China, Viet Nam and Laos, blacks and mexicans, and I’m always amazed that they are just like me. People are the same everywhere and I will never ever ever understand why anybody wants to go to war with another country.

    If there is any reason for war, 2 countries should just sent out 2 warriors to fist fight. Wars over and nobody dies. Wouldn’t that be sweet? Too simple, I guess. Just my kind of logic, lol.

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  334. February 8, 2013 2:02 pm

    “I’m always in shock that so much of the world hates America. I’m an American and I love my country and I can’t figure out why these people hate us.”

    Linda, in case of North Korea it is the result of an ideology impressed on the people. And their total isolation from the world. From my own experience I know that when you are staying behind the “iron curtain” they can tell you anything, and you will believe it as there is nothing else to hear. The same thing day in, day out – like they did it with Michael brainwashing the public with everyday lies – and as a result people start believing the most incredible things.

    And what they are saying in North Korea about you (and any of us) only God knows – people there are so isolated that most don’t know that Michael Jackson died and who he was at all. I am sure that if the information wall were pulled down people would eventually understand what’s what, because North Koreans are essentially the same nation as South Koreans – and look how different apart they have been taken by different ideology.

    But by ideology I understand not what the authorities say about “who your enemy is” – fortunately these days this is rarely done, if done at all (at least in my country). No, by ideology I mean the system of values people have. And over here things are not as happy as one would like them to be.

    I’ll tell you frankly how I feel about the values which started prevailing in my place once the information barrier fell. It is the “money comes first” or “money decides it all” principle. Our people rushed to make money at all costs, with no consideration for the way money is made and without looking back at what their conscience tells them. What’s typical is that those very people who yesterday propagated old ideology (with no pangs of conscience either) were the first to acquire the new rules. No surprises here – these people always do what is best for their careers and well-being only. There is no place for conscience in their set of values.

    Of course all this has little to do with the US as it is the immaturity of our own society which made us acquire your principles in so crooked a way. But it seems that you are not without fault either. Even in this blog everyone tells me that the worst Michael’s haters did it for the sake of money only – the media, lawyers like Larry Feldman, the accusers themselves, all those former Michael’s employees who turned into his detractors, etc., and all this makes me realize even better that money can also be an ideology of its own, and a very bad one at that.

    I am no hypocrite and having money is a very good thing, but it is making money at any cost is what I detest.

    “That video was sick, but why in the world would they use MJ’S music, so contrary to his message?”

    They are probably trying to turn Michael’s fans the world over against the country where he was born. This is indeed a very sick but a rather sophisticated and stealthy approach which I regard as very dangerous. It has nothing to do with Michael as it goes against anything Michael ever said or did. Someone is simply trying to use Michael’s good name for their own agenda.

    “Michael just loved everybody.”

    Exactly, and that is why all of the rest of us (I mean non-Americans) should not allow to turn Michael into a tool of propaganda against his own people. There are very many Americans who love Michael and not only for his music but for his innocence and great personality he was – with his love for people, infinite humaneness and generous sharing of everything he had with others. And these honest people are fighting for the truth in the same way all others do.

    “How deep is this conspiracy against him? It seems demonic.”

    I think it isn’t a conspiracy per se, but it is indeed demonic. We are fighting anti-God forces which are all around us. Just like Michael did, we should pray to God every minute of our lives – Father, please help us in our fight for the truth. There are too many of them, and the facets of evil are too numerous for us human beings to cope with them.

    I really mean it.

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  335. February 8, 2013 12:05 pm

    “The westborough baptist church did the same, they called it God hates the World.” – shellywebstere

    OMG, God loves the world, it is his creation! He hates only lies and everything it generates (if He can hate at all).

    Lies are the embodiment of evil. But evil is not in this or that place only – it is everywhere, as it is inside each of us. All people lie – first to themselves and then to others.

    And there is only one remedy against this evil and it is the Truth.

    “Seek the truth and it will set you free”. [Jesus]

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  336. Linda permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:45 am

    Vindicatemj (Helena)

    I’m always in shock that so much of the world hates America. I’m an American and I love my country and I can’t figure out why these people hate us. That video was sick, but why in the world would they use MJ’S music, so contrary to his message? All I could think of when I watched it was a song of his on my computer. At the end of the song he yelled out, “I love you Korea”. At least that’s what it sounded like to me, so I figured it was a concert in Korea. Michael just loved everybody.

    There were no enemies in his mind, just people and especially children, all who needed love. How anybody could set his music to something like that is so sick. I’ve been mulling this over and over trying to figure why they would use him of all people. How deep is this conspiracy against him? It seems demonic.

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  337. Rodrigo permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:28 am

    This is how people should REALLY remember him. I had no idea about this. A mother murdered her baby son and attempted to murder the other by throwing them in a river in LA.

    Michael went to the funeral and handed over a cheque for $50.000 for the young boy who survived. Lisa convinced him to go to the funeral as he thought all the attention would have gone on him.

    Cheque’s for pay offs? My ass. He was too kind for his own good.

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  338. shellywebstere permalink
    February 8, 2013 3:08 am

    @vindicate,

    The westborough baptist church did the same, they called it God hates the World.

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  339. February 7, 2013 10:14 am

    OMG, I’ve just heard the horrendous news that someone in North Korea released a video of an imaginary missile attack on the USA and used Michael Jackson’s song “We are the world” as a soundtrack for it!

    The idea of the video is outrageous in and of itself, but using Michael’s song to accompany it is also a grave insult to Michael – he adhered to exactly the opposite views than these crazy people. Michael was talking about healing the planet and not going to war!

    Everyone seems to use Michael Jackson for their own purposes.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4779745/north-korea-releases-video-of-missile-attack-on-america.html

    Someone should send this video to North Korea:

    P.S.
    My second thought was – this alleged N.Korean video is self-explanatory without any translation but can we also believe the Sun? What if it is a provocation of some sort?

    P.P.S. However the Washington Times reports the same and says that the video was posted on North Korean state media website Uriminzokkiri.com:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/5/new-north-korean-video-depicts-burning-ruins-virtu/

    And I’ve just read in a different source that North Korea is so isolated from the rest of the world that they don’t know that Michael Jackson died.

    Though the N.Korean video is indeed awful, I hope that it is nothing but a mere virtual saber-rattling, awful as it is.

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  340. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 6:28 am

    Yes and there is that

    http://santamariatimes.com/news/local/article_d1fa7884-367a-5e1a-b13d-e3ac331e09b6.html

    I don’t know if what he said about Sneddon is true but he was right about that attorney Alan W Courtney.

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  341. January 28, 2013 6:03 am

    Thanks Shelly, he seems coherent enough there, maybe I should get the book.

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  342. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 5:15 am

    “I just couldn’t tell if the author perhaps did indeed suffer from some kind of mental illness?”

    I don’t know but you might consider this video. Rex Philipps is Rexino Mondo

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  343. January 28, 2013 5:05 am

    I was thinking about buying that book when I saw it a few weeks back Shelly.

    I just couldn’t tell if the author perhaps did indeed suffer from some kind of mental illness?

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  344. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 4:42 am

    That link is not really about the MJ case but I think it’s interesting.

    http://theimmigrantsdaughter.com/mad-dog-sneddon.html

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  345. Rodrigo permalink
    January 16, 2013 4:56 am

    It’s horrendous, Helena. But it has to be done. I’m still writing the post, I may have to split into two parts because of how big it is now. It seems every time I think I’m finished something else comes out.

    I’ve just added a part on a session Savile had with a psychologist. It definitely explains his craze for freedom and power, thinking he could do what he wanted since he was a child. Also explains how warped his sexual preferences were. It seems the death of his mother caused an interest in corpses for him, since he was accused of necrophilia.

    Also explaining he had no real interest in charity or helping people. Just shows he did those things to build his profile, and explains he liked the feeling of power that charity and fundraising gave him.

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  346. January 16, 2013 1:50 am

    This just gets worse – http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370439/Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring I actually have to write about that? Control over children, and even the dead.

    No, Rodrigo, please don’t or otherwise you can go mad.
    You are right about the feeling of power Savile enjoyed. I think that he was simply dressing up in all that ‘satan’ regalia to terrorize his victims and exercise control over them.

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  347. sanemjfan permalink
    January 15, 2013 8:25 am

    Here is a new interview from Lisa Campbell, author of “The Complete Story of the King of Pop”!! http://selfie1982.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/the-woman-that-wrote-the-true-story/

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  348. Rodrigo permalink
    January 13, 2013 6:32 am

    This just gets worse
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370439/Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring

    I actually have to write about that? At least it adds up with my theory of his lust for power and control. Control over children, and even the dead.

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  349. sanemjfan permalink
    January 11, 2013 7:10 am

    Beginning today through January 14th, the eBook “M Poetica” is available for FREE from Amazon! http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5782%3Am-poetica-second-edition-free&catid=85%3Alatest-news&Itemid=82

    It’s only available for Kindle, and if you don’t own a Kindle, you can download the free Kindle App for PC http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_pc_mkt_lnd?docId=1000426311 or Mac http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_mac_ln_ar?docId=1000464931 .

    The author of the book is Dr. Willa Stillwater, who also writes for the excellent blog “Dancing With The Elephant”. Here is one of her amazing articles about MJ’s influence and legacy: http://dancingwiththeelephant.wordpress.com/rereading-michael-jackson/

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  350. Rodrigo permalink
    January 11, 2013 4:33 am

    Have to add this to my Savile post. Such an evil soul…

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jimmy-savile-abused-dying-hospice-patients-214827888.html

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  351. January 9, 2013 5:28 pm

    @ Helena, and please keep your rudeness to yourself while running a MJ vindicating website, you look very bad right now. And going around accusing me and telling lies that you know are lies. And insulting with names like ‘lazy’, etc. You need to learn how to respect others, and treat others as you want to be treated. I can’t believe this sight is the way it is. And you’re telling me I don’t know how to use my spare time, then I guess you who created this site and everyone here doesn’t.

    I apologize for saying “My goodness you people are weird.” I said that because you and ‘lynande51’ were going around saying I’m this other person ‘Desiree’. You commenting me saying I’m spreading lies on you like ‘Mia’ when I did absolutely nothing to you. You’re the one spreading lies on me, saying I said MJ called Prince ‘Duckbutter’, when my comment clearly says MJ called Prince ‘Applehead, but yet you keep repeating ‘Duckbutter’ for whatever reason, etc. I had my right to say “My goodness you people are weird”, because you and ‘lynande51’ were going around telling lies on me. But I do apologize, hope you and ‘lynande51’ will do the same, because you really need to.

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  352. January 9, 2013 2:51 pm

    “My goodness you people are weird.”

    How old are you dear? Are you a kid who doesn’t know how to kill spare time? What’s the good of all this never-ending rambling over who created which account? Who cares? Please don’t spam the blog with all this nonsense.

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  353. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 2:04 pm

    “lynande51” you wrote:

    (Yes Helena I just went to Lacieingasmiles and I read through the entire 56 comments and it would seem that there were no comments under the Glenda Tapes 2-5 from June of 2011 until Jan 3 2013. The first new one was from someone that had the screen name of Veronique. That was the one that pretended to ask a question about Bob Jones and the word splaboos. Then shortly after that Angie started asking questions as well about the same thing.
    When Desiree was originally blocked from posting here she used the name Veronique. Is this a coincidence? I don’t think so. I still have to screen shots from when she used to harass us and if you can still go back to the beginning of the comments it doesn’t take long to find her and the mulitple names she used to post here.Then it was obviously her in 2011 that was haraassing rockforeveron about Grace calling Grace a mammy and quoting Bob Jones. That is where it look like rockforeveron says that MJ called Jack Gordon the word splaboos. When Rockforeveron replied she forgot to put that comment in quotes. It originally came from Desiree.
    Gald I could clear that one up for everyone).

    This is your second time jjudging me. First you said I’m pretending not to see the comments, etc. when Helena or this site clearly said this:

    in response to Vindicatemj (Helena):

    Our comments section is quickly turning into a forum where a lot of valuable things eventually get lost due to the impossibility to find them. I’ve decided to overturn this tendency and start posting the most interesting comments as separate pieces. These will be mere improvisations as you understand as there is no time to […]

    Now you’re saying I’m a person name ‘Desiree’. Boy, you sure can judge can’t you. If I were you I would ask a person one on one before I be so quick to judge. It makes you look really bad. Yes, my name was ‘Veronique’ on Lacieingasmiles, that’s my middle name. I went by my middle name on the Lacieingasmiles site because I was skeptical about using my first name. I didn’t want no one to know my real name just as you go by ‘lynande51′, etc. But I went ahead and used my first name Angie for this site because I was just in a hurry to create a acct. with this site to get my questions answered. This seemed like a good site with the name “Vindicating Michael Jackson”, but it seems the people here are not as good as I thought. Notice the comment on Lacieingasmiles with my middle name Veronque has a very similar date to the comments on this site and with the same exact question, because I’m new on both sites, this one and on Lacieingasmiles. I first created an acct. with Lacieingasmiles with my middle name Veronique. Then I created an acct. with this site with my first name Angie. I didn’t know both this site and have a connection with each other. So when a person from Lacieingasmiles is commenting here and I reply back, I’m Angie on the Lacieingasmiles site too. I have nothing to hide. And this is my very first time on this site and Lacieingasmiles. So please stop judging me. And yes it is a coincidence that ”Desiree’ was blocked and I came along afterwards. This is my first time here and on Lacieingasmiles. That’s why the dates of my comments on both sites are close because it is my first time on both sites. I applied for Lacieingasmiles first and this site next. So, again do not judge me because you’re wrong. It really makes you look bad. And you didn’t clear anything out for everyone because your wrong.

    All I came here was to ask questions and on Lacieingasmiles, and I get judged, you people are crazy. The only reason I got ‘Rockforeveron’ mixed up with ‘lacienegasmiles’ because they have the exact same profile picture. Go see for yourself on Lacieingasmiles. Even Helena got ‘Rockforeveron’ and ‘lacienegasmiles’ mixed up because they have the same profile picture and Helena is the owner of this site. So, again please get your fact right before you judge and come to conclusion.

    And what I find strange is that why ‘lacienegasmiles’ never mentioned that she ‘Rockforeveron’ was the one who made the comment about MJ calling Jack Gordon a “Splaboo”? I know she can read and see clearly what’s on the Lacieingasmiles site. My goodness you people are weird.

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  354. January 9, 2013 1:23 pm

    “The orginal comment has no quotations, it’s her words. Go look at the site yourself, you’ll see it.” – Angie

    Indeed, there were no quotations, and that is why I also made a mistake by quoting it as a single text. But when you answer someone such things are unavoidable. I try to separate someone else’s words and my text by italics or quotation marks, but when people are pressed for time they often fail to do it.

    BUT WHAT DOES OT MATTER? It is such a trifle that it is even indecent to talk about it for so long.

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  355. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 1:12 pm

    @ Helena, your comment to me:

    (This site seems to have been hacked or meddled with in some way. At least I cannot enter it in the usual way but have to apply some roundabout ways. My suspicion is that you and the other activist Mia writing crazy stories about me are here not by a mere chance. As usual in all such cases it means that I have struck on something sensitive to these people).

    Why are you saying I and Mia, whom I don’t even know are writing crazy things about you, I’m not. I never said anything crazy about you. All I said is this site is unorganized, which you agreed to yourself by saying “This site seems to have been hacked or meddled with in some way. At least I cannot enter it in the usual way but have to apply some roundabout ways”. I never said anything about you, I just was talking about the site in which I know is not your fought but some type of technical error. So please stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not here to argue or cause problems, so stop coming to conclusion and judging without a cause.

    .

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  356. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ lynande51

    No, I put her words in quotations. Her original words are not in quotations. I copied and pasted what she said and put them in quotations as her words. The orginal comment has no quotations, it’s her words. Go look at the site yourself, you’ll see it.

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  357. Linda permalink
    January 8, 2013 9:16 am

    @Vindicatemj
    And also a little bit of Gomer Pyle in the army – it was hilarious though I didn’t understand a word of what he said.

    You’re right about Hillbillies and rednecks being all over, although they’re usually considered southern people in the USA. Hence Gomer, Griffith, Foxworthy Larry the cable guy etc.. always use that southern accent. Rednecks are considered to be very backward people from the south, but yes, I’m sure the basic personality could be found all over the world.

    Again I’m impressed, with all that’s going on here that you took the time to research even further what I was talking about. I don’t mean to distract from our purpose here, but sometimes a little distraction helps, and rednecks are hilarious.

    They remind me of the main character of the Blast from the Past movie, called Adam (Brendan Frazer) –

    I remember this movie from a long time ago. It was pretty cool. I’ll have to look it up and watch it again.

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  358. lynande51 permalink
    January 8, 2013 8:32 am

    Yes I know. Now not only are we in trouble if we have typos in our spelling but we are in trouble for punctuation or lack of it. I thought this was a blog and it didn’t matter if everything was perfect but I guess it does to some people. 😉

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  359. January 8, 2013 4:12 am

    Lynande, we always have the option of banning these people. Now it is too late here, but tomorrow I will check up. If these people do not sober up, some measures will have to be taken.

    As regards that phrase about Jack Gordon it was probably me who reposted it without quotes (terribly sorry for it), and therefore mixed up the reply form rockforeveron and another person into one text. How petty all this talk is! I cannot believe that we have to waste so much time on these trifles.

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