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Jacksons – AEG trial DAY 70. DEBBIE ROWE and THE THRILLER OF MICHAEL JACKSON’S LIFE

August 20, 2013

This post is about the second day of Debbie Rowe’s testimony. But before that here is a short word about the sidebar that took place on the previous day Wednesday, August 14, 2013.

PART 1

VITILIGO AS A SUBJECT FOR A SIDEBAR

Lupus butterfly rash

Lupus butterfly rash

As we know the AEG lawyers object to every speck of dust in this case, and this time it was the fact that the Plaintiffs wanted to talk about Michael’s Vitiligo. This is what Ms. Chang replied to AEG’s objections:

Ms. Chang: The reason why I am bringing up Vitiligo, Discoid Lupus, the pain and the burns, is to establish the foundation of what they went through together because as a result of the three that happened in this 20’s at the same time as the burn area, the doctors were perplexed on what to do. When they treated the burn, the Discoid Lupus was an issue. When they treated the acne – it was like a chain reaction.

He ended up feeling so badly about himself, he thought he was like the Elephant Man, and the person he could talk to, because he didn’t want to bother his mother because he didn’t want to make her sad, is Debbie Rowe. That is the establishment of this close relationship and what they went through and why they became so close.

Traces of vitiligo left

Traces of vitiligo left

It also supports where his psyche was, what he had to go through. I don’t know of any other 20-year-old, frankly, or 23, who had to go through all of those things at once, have these procedures and get up and dance every day. And I think that given how they’re trying to present him as, “Oh, he just went in and even –” Botox and Collagen, making him sound superficial and vain like a star. I think we have the right and the duty to put forward what he was actually going through.

Ms.Stebbins: For the record, your honor, I don’t think that — there was plenty of testimony on direct examination about the pain, about the burn, about the difficulties with that. I’m not sure why Michael Jackson’s self-esteem issues are necessarily relevant to this issue. Again, my only concern here is relevance and undue consumption of time. If counsel is going to quickly go through Vitiligo — it’s not — – it just seems somewhat irrelevant and designed to – to bring in – I don’t even know what. Michael Jackson had self-esteem issues seems a bit far afield.

Judge: Overruled. I’m going to allow it.

January 1984 pepsi-commercial-burn-accident(30)-m-6

January 1984. The burn

I agree with Ms.Chang that a rare young man will have to cope with so many maladies falling upon him all at once and still be able to get up and dance every day.

Vitiligo must have been a frightening sight, lupus gave him a red butterfly rash on his face and a thick crust on his head, and the burn left him balding with keloid scars and all the pain coming with it – well, and after all that someone is still wondering why he was shy with girls?

Even to his mother he didn’t want to disclose all those terrible details not to make her worry, not to mention girls whom he didn’t want to disappoint or frighten with his health problems and looks. The poor boy suffered in silence.

He really considered himself disfigured and often cried due to the hopelessness of it, and we can perfectly understand why – even one malady like that would be enough to turn anyone’s life into a nightmare, and he had several of them and all taking place at once.

Debbie Rowe says that the skin on his head was popping when the medication was injected – so can any of us imagine what kind of pain it was if his skin burst at a touch of a syringe?

As to Michael’s choice of Debbie as his wife I think now all questions should fall off by themselves – her profession alone made her a natural companion for him as with this woman he could at least be at his ease – no need to cover up his baldness with a hair piece, no need to be embarrassed about his skin problems, no need to explain what medication he was taking and why.  And her sense of humor and easy approach to things were also a great help – in fact her formula “We may not able to make it perfect, but let’s see what we can do” is admirable and seems to me the best way to handle problems like that.

On the second day of Debbie’s testimony there were lots of questions about Michael’s health again, but the conversation looked much more intimate because she spoke more about their children and also because once we got over the shock of all those medical details we finally regained the ability to notice other things too.

I for example, noticed that their marriage was absolutely real. One of the best types of marriages grow out of friendship, common interests and a good laugh shared by both sides, and Debbie Rowe gave all of it to Michael in abundance.  And even if he was not terribly in love with her he still appreciated her very much. In fact during the lulus fight they had in Mexico during the Dangerous tour she said he was embarrassed that he had disappointed her which is a sure sign that her opinion did matter to him.

And the fact that she “had no filter” as her daughter Paris says was also a great help – in a way it compensated for what he himself could never afford to do. In short it was an interesting relationship and I am very grateful to her that she took so good care of Michael.

The way she was weaning him off the medications those idiots plunged him into is an absolutely model one and I am happy that she engaged herself in an undercover operation with Dr. Metzger to help Michael. She defied all loyalty to her boss and approached Dr. Metzger who seemed to be really the only doctor in MJ’s life who placed Michael’s interests above everything else.

I feel extremely sorry that at this trial this best Michael’s doctor will get the worst treatment from AEG and hope that in retaliation to that the Jacksons’ lawyers will at least not let Gongaware’s good friend Finkelstein get away with what he did. Further research fully confirmed that it was Finkelstein who undermined all the great work done by Dr. Metzger on weaning Michael off narcotic medications and was therefore the ultimate reason why Michael had to cancel the tour and go to a rehab in 1993.

DEBBIE ROWE’S SECOND DAY OF TESTIMONY

Thursday August 15 DAY 70

Debbie Rowe Was back on the stand. Jacksons attorney Deborah Chang resumed cross examination.

Chang asked if traffic was better today. “It’s Palmdale… it was actually worse today,” Rowe responded.

Rowe said you couldn’t look at it and say it was lupus. Then Chang showed picture of black male with vitiligo.

The thing with vitiligo, the color can come and go and if you go on the sun you can get sunburn, Rowe explained.

For Michael, it came and went for a good period of the time. It was easy to cover with make-up, Rowe testified.

Everybody said he bleached himself, but he didn’t, Rowe said.

Rowe: It’s easier go lighter color and try to match with make-up. It’s hard to match dark skin, they don’t make good make-up for dark skin.

Rowe said Michael had come to a point it (vitiligo) was going to stay, it wasn’t going to get any better.

Each time the pigment disappearead, it got bigger and bigger. She said that cause tremendous anxiety in Michael.

Rowe said up until 99 MJ still had issues with it. “Vitiligo is seasonal, it’d come and go. Sometimes it’d be better and sometimes it wouldn’t

Rowe said Dr. Klein tried different treatments, ultimately tried to de-pigment.

You can’t just slap cream around whenever you want, you need to get your skin checked, Rowe said. That’s one of the reasons MJ saw Klein.

MJ is released from the hospital with a fedora covering his wound, 1984

MJ is released from the hospital with a fedora covering his wound, 1984

Michael’s burn was very serious, Rowe explained.

Rowe: I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt. We may not be able to make it perfect, but lets see what we can do.

He was very shy, so for him to have all of these going on and being in public it was very hard, Rowe testified.

Rowe said MJ cried about it, was embarrassed and felt disfigured. He was worried that people would see disfigurement before he would.

He didn’t really trust anyone at all, Rowe explained.

Chang asked if there was a comparison to elephant man. She said yes.

Rowe said Michael didn’t disclose it to his mother. He wanted her to know that he was okay and that she didn’t have to worry about him.

Chang: Did you always make him laugh?

Rowe: Well, that was our relationship.  He was incredibly funny.

Rowe said Michael had a really good sense of humor and they tried to find humor in stuff. And if he was feeling down I’d do something to take his mind off of it, Rowe said. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says.”

Chang: Did he appreciate that on you?

Rowe: He did, I think he felt refreshed. Because he couldn’t do it, he was happy I could.

Rowe: He knew that I wanted the best treatment for him, that I wanted him to see the best physicians, that I wanted people to not take advantage of him because he did feel so helpless as a patient.

Rowe said she told MJ he needed to be organized with his medication, get one of those morning, afternoon, evening pill organizer.

Rowe went with Michael to see other physicians. Dr Metzger is an internist and rheumatologist who treats auto-immune diseases, such as lupus. It takes a dermatologist and rheumatologist to treat discoid lupus.

November 1996, the wedding

November 1996, the wedding ceremony at the Sheraton hotel, Australia

Q.    Both you and Mr. Jackson liked Dr. Metzger, correct?
A.    Amazing.
Q.    And he later became Mr. Jackson’s general practitioner, correct?
A.    Yes. And he was his best man at our wedding.
Q.    You also not only went with him for those types of treatments which we’ll talk about in a minute but you also even went to Dentists and Oral Surgeons with Mr. Jackson. Is that fair to say?
A.    Yes. 

Chang: And he was almost phobic to needles?

Rowe: Oh, he was phobic.

C: And sometimes you’d have to literally hold his hand?

Rowe: I always did.

Rowe said Michael wanted her to be present in all procedures. She said he always had problems with scar on burn scalp.

Chang: Was Dr. Hoefflin a very prominent plastic surgeon?

Rowe: Yes, and very, very good.

Q.    I think you said that they were scars, but they are lumpy and ugly bumps?

A. And thick. In areas they are linear and elevated. There is other areas where it looks like the skin has been stretched, and so parts of it are bumpy. Parts of it look thin. Some of that happens after the cortisone injections which is a treatment for the Keloids to help them become flat and less painful. 

Q.    And does it happen in every patient after a burn or a serious injury or is there a higher percentage?
A.    Asian skin and black skin are the worst — suffer the worst from trauma.
Q.    Based on your experience in working with Dr. Klein, do you know that they can be extremely painful?
A.    They are.
Q.    And Dr. Klein treated him for these Keloids?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And, again, we’re talking about Keloids on the top of his head, is that correct?
A.    They began mid-scalp and went back to the crown.
Q.    And did part of that treatment necessitate frequent insertion of cortisone injections through needles directly into the painful Keloids?
A.    Yes. Can I explain the difference between a regular injection and with Keloids?
Q.    Yes.
A.    Keloid tissue is very dense.
Q.    Does that mean it’s hard?
A.    Very hard. Very hard.
To get the cortisone in — you don’t want to get it around the skin because the regular skin can become atrophic, can thin out. You want to keep it actually in the area itself of the Keloid, the lump of the Keloid. It’s very difficult to get the liquid in there in the beginning until you start to soften the tissue with the cortisone because that’s the idea. And we used what was called — there were two ways to do it, the dermajet, which was like an air gun that would you cock three or four times, place it against the skin, and it would air push it into the scar. There was also another instrument that was used that some Dentists use it. It looks like a gun where they put the cortisone and then he use it to push — the doctor had more leverage to get the medication straight into the lesion. You could hear — you could hear the skin popping when the medication went in, especially the second or third time as the scar tissue was starting to break down.

Q.    Would you agree that this is a painful treatment?
A.    It’s horribly painful.

Q.    And this area was somewhat complicated because not only did he have burn Keloids but he also had his Discoid Lupus in this area, correct?
A.    Right in the middle. Right here.

Rowe: He had such significant scarring, there was no tissue to pull together, so they had to make more skin.  In the area of the burn he could not grow hair.

Q.    As the scars grew, did the area of baldness also grow?
A.    Yes.
Q.    That was terribly upsetting to a young Michael Jackson?
A.    Yes, and to an older Michael Jackson.
Q.    It’s hard for anybody to face that. But when they were on stage and dancing as vigorously as he does, was he concerned about wearing a wig?
A.    He hated it.
Q.    Did he want to find an alternative for that?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And that began a series of surgeries, treatments, and injections?
A.    That was when we called Dr. Sasaki [for stretching his skin procedures which involved baloons filled with saline]

Rowe: What they show here is what happened to Michael. They would put saline every 7-10 days and let it stretch it out.

Chang: It literally expands, stretches the skin?

Rowe: Yes.  It was brutally painful,  It required pain medication.

There are times you cut Keloid and you end up with bigger Keloid, Rowe said. They wanted to have only 1 linear Keloid on MJ’s head to deal with. 

Q.    And did the surgery work?
A.    No, it fell apart.  I think the end of ’96, beginning of ’97.
Q.    He went through all the series, all the pain, and as a result he had even thicker and lumpier and bumpier Keloids?
A.    Yeah, because Discoid Lupus — it didn’t hold together.

Q.    That necessitated those painful injections that you talked about to that even harder and bumpier Keloids, correct?
A.    To try to give relief to the Keloids. Another surgery wasn’t an option.
Q.    Over time, you could flatten the Keloids with the cortisone injections, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    But they would grow and irritate?
A.    Sometimes they would grow back. Sometimes the skin would be depressed, and it would be fine. But his Keloids were never completely gone.
Q.    At least in the years that you knew him, they required constant monitoring, so to speak, and treatment with Dr. Klein, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Not only did you go with Mr. Jackson to sit through these surgeries but you also were with him as he recuperated?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would it be fair to say that you saw firsthand his bouts of pain that he experienced from these procedures?
A.    Yes.
Rowe: I wasn’t assigned to help him recover, I took care of him when he came to see Dr. Klein.

Rowe said, crying, that she went with Michael to other procedures out of love, not because she had to. “Because he was my friend, I wanted to make sure he was ok”. Rowe developed a pain scale to help measure Michael’s pain.

Q. Did you come up with a numerical scale of pain that you used to assess how bad your patient was?
A.    Yes, because it was easier. Instead of saying “How do you feel,” and then ten minutes later saying “Okay, well, how do you feel,” he would — we ran out of descriptions. 
Q.    Okay. So it was easier for you to assess a number?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Was that a numerical scale from 1 to 10?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And was 10 the most severe?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And when you explained to us about a pain cycle, you indicated that — I think you said, if you don’t catch it, then it could quickly escalate until it’s off the scale, and then you really have to do something more extreme, is that correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    So would you continually monitor Mr. Jackson to see where he was on the pain scale?
A.    Yes.
Q.    What number was it that he started getting scared at?
A.    Three.
Q.    And have you seen him go from a 3 to a 10 rapidly?
A.    Yes. 

NOTE: The transcript of the first part of Debbie’s testimony explained a very important point – the pain had to be intercepted before it reached its peak, because if it was not caught at the right moment it required much stronger medication. This is why Michael was in constant fear of pain and of not being able to catch it on time, and they had to work out a pain scale.

This is when I thought – and what if that pain began to grow on him during a concert? What could he do? The way Debbie describes it the pain was awful:

Q.    Would you agree that during those time periods, he had cold sweats?
A.    Yes.
Q.    He was pale?
A.    Yes.
Q.    He couldn’t think?
A.    When it got to be what I would say would be a 6.
Q.    He couldn’t see?
A.    No. It was like a migraine almost.
Q.    I think you described it before as a blind migraine?
A.    Blind migraine meaning he couldn’t see.
Q.    He couldn’t perform?
A.    He wasn’t performing at the time, no. He couldn’t do anything —
Q.    In that state?
A.    No, he couldn’t.
Q.    In that state, when that pain took over, would you agree it was debilitating and crippling?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And that’s real.
A.    Yes. 

A.    I didn’t want him to not be able to have the medicine that we have and not have it work. I didn’t want it — I didn’t want him to unnecessarily take — like don’t take a Vicodin if you can get away with Motrin because we were using Demerol at the time after the surgery itself. He was on Demerol, I believe, for a week or two right after it and then different lower prescriptions like Percocet. I don’t remember Vicodin. I just used that as an example from Motrin.
Q.    Based on your observations, you saw that he was afraid of the pain?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And during this time period, would you agree, Ms. Rowe, that he had a legitimate need for pain medication?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would you agree that Michael Jackson wanted to be responsible about pain management?

A.    Yes. 

MJ in Monaco, May 1993

MJ in Monaco, May 1993, sometime after Dr. Sasaki’s surgery

Q.    Would you agree that he didn’t want to be walking around talking with a slurred voice or looking loopy, but he wanted to focus on his work. Would you agree with that?
A.    Yes. 
Q:    The entire time period you knew him, would you agree he wanted to be able to focus on his work?
A.    He didn’t — when he had had pain medication, we didn’t go out. If he needed pain medication, we stayed in because he was slurring.
Q.    And that’s not how he wanted to be. Would you agree with me?
A.    Correct.
Q.    Would you agree he was a perfectionist in his work?
A.    He was meticulous.
Q.    Would you agree, based on your almost 20 years working with Dr. Klein and working with people who are in pain, that pain management can be a very hard line to balance on?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would you agree that he did the best he could?
A.    Yes. 

A.    His biggest problem, like I said yesterday, was Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin trying to over prescribe medication.
Q.    And to be clear, that was not at the request of Mr. Jackson, correct?
A.    No.

He did not want pain, Rowe said. She said he had no choice but deal with the doctors.

Rowe: After procedure in 93, MJ went on tour and was doing that part of the tour until Forecast, I met him one time I didn’t know who he was.

NOTE: Another thing I grasped from the previous transcript is that after approximately three weeks of consistent work on reducing drugs following that scalp surgery Debbie, Dr. Metzger and Michael managed to fully replace Demerol with a non-narcotic Toradol. In the days prior to the tour Michael had one quarter of the standard opiate patch on his body, was taking Toradol only and was receiving no injections.  

When Putnam asked if Michael was proud of the progress he had made in getting off drugs, Debbie said that he was not a prideful person (ABC reported the opposite), but as to her she was very relieved to see him doing so well. This is why she was absolutely mad at Forecast when he gave Michael what she thought to be 100 milligrams of Demerol, starting it all over again and ruining all their work.

But this is what Debbie Rowe thinks what happened. She is blaming the arrogant Dr. Forecast for never following Dr. Metzger’s instructions,  and I cannot imagine what she would say if she knew that prior to Forecast another doctor on that tour, Dr. Finkelstein, who was Gongaware’s friend, did something much worse – he put Michael on a 24 hour drip of morphine which immediately overturned all the progress made and sent Michael into a disaster of an opiate dependency. For details of this please see the previous post.

Debbie saw Michael on the tour again after a 6 weeks interval. He was a completely different man:

Next time I met Michael in Mexico City and he was a mess, Rowe recalled.

Chang: He made an announcement to the world he needed to get help?

Rowe: Yes.

Q.    And from what you could see, when you were there at the Dangerous tour and saw him, it wasn’t a big secret to the people on the Dangerous tour, correct?
A.    No, it wasn’t a secret. I used to hang out with the dancers and the people that worked there or worked with him.

Chang: Did you ever hear the name Paul Gongaware?

Rowe: I don’t know why I know the name.

Rowe said they would not allow her to talk to Forecast. Chang asked if she knew Forecast had been hired by the insurance company. Objection.

Q.     Ms. Rowe, would you agree that not only did Mr. Jackson want to stay balanced on that line but he asked you to help him to stay on that line?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would you agree that from what you observed, in the almost 20 years that you were with him, that he was more likely to fall off that line during the times of extreme pain or extreme stress and extreme anxiety?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Did he ever try to hide any drugs from you?
A.    Not that I know of.
Q.    Was he always open and honest with you?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And during the time period you knew him, he was able to do three world tours, correct?
A.    Yes. 
Chang asked if tours caused MJ extreme stress or anxiety. She said yes.

Rowe: When I’d go to a concert and I was fortunate enough to be on stage, I’d see him.

“I’m so freaking lucky”

MJ was my friend before anything else, Rowe said. “I’m so freaking lucky.”

It was just, it was surreal, because I wasn’t a fan, I was his friend first, Rowe explained.

Rowe: The show was amazing, the dancers were amazing, Michael was so physical when he’d do his performance.

Rowe: He’d still ask ‘how did I do, did I do ok?’ Really dude, you didn’t hear 55,000 people screaming? I think you did ok.

It was an athletic event to see him perform, Rowe explained.

Rowe said on “This Is It” MJ wasn’t performing, it was just a run-through of what he would do on the show.

Q.    Would you agree that for a person that was going through all of this and for someone who had this legitimate pain and who had these procedures and who felt bad about themselves, that in this same time period, he did all of what is on this chart? Would you agree?
A.    Yes.
Q.    “Thriller,” “Motown 25,” he built Neverland. He wrote “We Are The World.” Was he proud of that?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And raised money for Africa, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    He released the “Bad” album. He promoted “Thriller.” He went on the Dangerous world tour. He released the History album. He went on the History world tour. He did “Blood On The Dance Floor.” He married you. He had —
A.    But the most important.
Q.    Yes?
A.    He became a dad.

Q.    Would you agree, Ms. Rowe, that you admired Mr. Jackson for everything that he accomplished despite everything he went through?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Now, Ms. Rowe, would you agree that based on your nearly 20 years of closeness with Mr. Jackson, including the time period that you were married and including the time period that you were such close friends, would you agree that Michael Jackson greatly respected doctors?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would you agree that he trusted doctors?
A.    Very much so.
Q.    Even when he shouldn’t have?
A.    He said they take — he said they take the oath to do no harm.
Q.    The Hippocratic Oath. All right. Would you agree that, if Michael Jackson found a doctor he believed in, he would never believe that that doctor would do anything to harm him?
A.    He was very loyal to his physicians.
Q.    He always thought that doctors had his best interest at heart?
A.    Yes.
Q.    But you knew better?
A.    I knew that the only one that really did was Alan Metzger.

NOTE: Doctors are indeed a special profession – they take the Hippocratic oath and their obligation is to always remain doctors whatever circumstances they find themselves in. Office workers can very well forget about their duties in the hours off work but doctors have to be doctors everywhere they go and at any time too.

Knowing all that Michael trusted doctors very much and in her testimony at the trial Karen Faye confirmed that Michael very much believed and respected doctors:

Karen Faye May 9, 2013:

  • Michael always believed that a doctor had his best interest at heart. He always believed that if he had something from a doctor that it was safe.

Karen Faye June 28, 2013:

Q. Last time you were here you testified that Michael always thought that whatever doctors gave him, that would be okay. Do you remember that testimony?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was that based on?

A. That went way, way back, sir, you know. That was just like in a conversation that he always relied that doctors would be giving him, you know — would give him what was good for him, sir.

Q. So as you sit here today, you can remember having that type of conversation with Mr. Jackson in the ’80’s?

A. I just remember his attitude towards doctors, you know, a long time ago, you know. He read medical journals, he would bring them to photo shoots, so he would study, you know — he’d bring medical journals, anatomy books. I mean, he was — he read everything. He was quite a reader, and he studied many things. And, you know, I just remembered that, you know, somewhere in the beginning — in our conversations, like he believed that doctors, whatever they gave him or prescribed to him was okay.

MJ and Dr. Metzger

Debbie Rowe: “Dr. Metzger had Michael’s best interest at heart. He  treated him as a patient, human being and friend”

Rowe: I knew that the only one who had Michael’s best interest was Dr. Metzger. He treated him as a patient, human being and a friend.

Q.    And you knew that there were — not all doctors were like Alan Metzger, correct?
A.    They all said they were his friend.

Rowe said the people who get the worse type of medical care are:

– very rich: can buy it

– very poor: can’t afford any

– very famous: can dictate it

When it came to the pain he wasn’t dictating, it was begging for relief, Rowe described. “He trusted what doctors were doing.”

Rowe said she tried to tell MJ he allowed doctors to control him too much, he should not be submissive.

Chang: Was he treated like a cash cow? Rowe: Yes

Chang: Was he engaged in doctor shopping? Rowe: No.

Chang said in 2000 MJ was seeing a lot of doctors. Rowe said he had his doctors in LA.

Q.    And when he went [all over the world], because the conditions he had, had necessitated seeing doctors wherever he was, correct?
A.    Yes. Especially if the children were sick, he needed to —
Q.    You knew that Prince, for example, had seizures in Japan, correct?
A.    Horrible time for us.
Rowe said she always instructed the nannies to have doctors on standby when they travelled and to keep notes of their treatment.

Q. Ms. Rowe, in your view, in the years that you knew Mr. Jackson, with Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin, you didn’t think he needed to doctor shop, correct?
A.    Yes.  OBJECTION. OVERRULED

Ms. Chang:    With Dr. Hoefflin and Dr. Klein, did he have to go and search for doctors who would give him drugs?
A.    No.
Q.    Okay. And to the best of your knowledge, based on your experience, when he saw a doctor, it was because he needed legitimate medical care, would you agree?
A.    That’s very general. Not every appointment was “I’m having a heart attack. I have to see a doctor.” it was “I’m going to perform. I need Collagen.” Collagen is not “oh, my god, I’ve got to have Collagen.” for him it was because he was about to perform. It was part of looking good as a performer.
Q.    Would you agree that Mr. Jackson never sought out doctors solely to get drugs?

A.    To my knowledge, he did not.
Q.    And, to your knowledge, he sought doctors because he had legitimate medical care or he wanted Collagen, for example, for his acne or for other reasons, correct?
A.    All the medication that I saw, because I would read because I’m nosey who the doctors were, what the reason was, whether it was antibiotic, whether it was a painkiller, I wanted to know who gave it to him and why. Even if it was from the doctor I worked for.
Q.    Mr. Jackson did not just go to doctors to seek drugs?
A.    No. 

Attorneys talked over each other objecting.

“I feel their pain,” Rowe said pointing to the jurors.

Regarding Hoefflin putting MJ down and not treating him, Rowe said: “I didn’t think I saw it, I saw it! I was there, I saw it!”

Q.    He, however, told Mr. Jackson that he performed the procedure, correct?
A.    He said it was taken care of.
Q.    He didn’t go in saying “Put me under so I could sleep,” correct?
A.    No.
Q.    All right. In your nearly 20 years working with Dr. Klein, Ms. Rowe, would it be fair to say that you did see patients who you thought came in just to get prescription drugs, correct?
A.    Some patients were kind of a drive-by.
Q.    You did not believe Mr. Jackson was one of them, correct?
A.    No. No, he wasn’t.
Rowe said that when she worked with Dr. Klein, MJ’s vitiligo got progressively worse.

Rowe said she would watch movies with MJ all the time. Sometimes they went to the movie theater, even though MJ had a theater at Neverland.

Rowe said MJ would call her and say “To Kill a Mockingbird” is on”. “He was great friends with Gregory Peck,” she explained.

They didn’t know what schiferella was, so MJ told her “Let’s call Gregory Peck”. Peck explained a bunch of things of the movie to them.

Rowe said when MJ was very contemplative, they went to Forest Lawn (cemetery) over GriffithPark. “Michael loves sculpture,” she explained.

“I never realized that’s a place he could go and it was quiet, and just be himself. It was nice, it was nice”, Rowe recalled.

She said there wasn’t a bunch of people, he could go and hang out.

Rowe said that when he was feeling depressed, she took him out. There were a lot of impersonators in the 80-90s.

Rowe: I drive a Celica, really, MJ in a Celica?

Debbie and MJ eyes closed

A funny picture

Rowe: I thought we’re going to get away with it. This is awesome. Then I hear from across the room ‘Debbie, do you know this? Then everyone knew who he was, the store was packed in 20 minutes.

Rowe locked herself in bathroom at Tower Records with MJ and called his security to pick them up. “I got in so much trouble,” she recalled.

Rowe: He said you should incorporate horses with your love of animals. He paid for me to go back to school.

Rowe: In concerts, those girls will kill you to get near the stage — fans laughed in overflow room

He helped whoever he could, Rowe said.

Rowe said security would give her their watches and rings. MJ would pick a girl to dance with him. “I thought that was so sweet.” Chang showed video of woman on stage hugging Michael during “You’re Not Alone” song. Rowe cried watching it.

Q.    During your years with Mr. Jackson, did you believe that he trusted people even when they were not working for his best business or medical interests?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Did you believe that Mr. Jackson was very, very easily manipulated?
A.    He could be.
Q.    Especially if he was anxious?
A.    Yes. 

Q.    Were you aware that Mr. Jackson had difficulty sleeping when he was on tour, correct?
A.    He had difficulty sleeping anyway. It wasn’t just a tour problem.
Q.    And the tour, however, you saw the adrenaline it took when he would perform so vigorously?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Would you agree that adrenaline added to an existing problem?
A.    He didn’t sleep that night of a concert. We would sleep — I’d have the baby on the different side of the hotel because his fans were there, and there was always so much going on. It was like “I’m tired. I’m going to bed.” And he was up the next day until mid-day and then would sleep.
Q.    And have you seen him go consecutive days without sleep?
A.    I’ve seen him go three or four days without sleep because he was in the middle of doing a song or thinking there was something that he wanted to do, a project he wanted to do.
Q.    During the years that you were at Dr. Klein’s office, when Mr. Jackson received anesthesia through Mr. Fournier, they were all in conjunction with a treatment procedure, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And he was under anesthesia for a very short period of time?
A.    Correct.
Q.    Not even 45 minutes in some instances, correct?
A.    That was probably the longest time.
Q.    You also know that he hated going to the dentist, but you went with him for certain procedures, and he received anesthesia then, correct?
A.    Correct.
Q.    And they were never just for sleep, correct?
A.    Correct.

Around 1997, near the end of tour, he used Propofol to sleep in Munich.

Chang: MJ never sought out anesthesiologist just for the purpose to sleep prior to that, correct?

Rowe: Yes

Rowe: After HIStory he couldn’t sleep, he talked to me and I said he had to talk to Metzger.

Chang asked about the conversation Rowe and MJ had with Dr. Metzger about him not sleeping while in Germany.

There were 2 anesthesiologists that came over, Rowe said. They brought in heart monitor and equipment to the hotel, didn’t hide anything.

Chang: Based on your observations, he never asked for medication to sleep?

Rowe: Not that I knew of.

Rowe: I discussed with, I can assume that Dr. Metzger had a discussion with these doctors about what they were going to do.

Chang: .    And in fact, in your discussions with Dr. Metzger and with these doctors, you knew that in various countries, not in the United States, but in various countries, doctors use Propofol to treat insomnia?
A.    I had never heard of Propofol prior. It was Diprivan I knew of treatments.
Q.    Okay. Anesthesia was legal and could be used outside of a surgical setting in ’97 in Germany, correct?
Ms. Stebbins:    Objection, calls for hearsay.
Judge:    Sustained.
Q.    You would not allow any illegal procedure to be performed in your hotel room, correct?
A.    Correct. 

Rowe said the doctors had physicians desk reference book with them. They told Michael there was risk, including death.

Q.    And did the doctors assure you that, with the heart monitor, all the monitoring equipment and two doctors working through eight hours, that there would be no harm?
A.    My fear, in addition to the harm, was because he was clean. This was after he had gone to rehab. And I didn’t want anything they gave him to affect his rehabilitation from Demerol.
Q.    And in fact, there was no narcotic —

A.    They told me that it was — that it was fine. They would not be using anything like that.
Q.    No narcotic, no pain relief associated with this type of anesthesia, correct?
A.    Correct.
Q.    And were you impressed by them?
A.    They were very thorough.

Rowe said doctors were very detailed, kept medical records. If she didn’t feel comfortable, she wouldn’t have allowed the treatment to take place.

Debbie and MJ 14This was 5 months after Prince was born, Rowe recalled. “They told me that anything more than 4 hours they had 2 physicians.” It took some planning to put the equipment together, Rowe said.

Q.    Michael himself does not do that kind of thing, correct?
A.    No.  Michael couldn’t use a lap top at the time.
Q.    He didn’t know how to use the internet?
A.    No.
Chang: Did he ever say bring the equipment in the dark in the middle of the night through an alley?

A.    They came through the front door up the stairs.
Q.    All right. And in fact, security helped bring it in?
A.    Yes.
Q.    Nothing came in without security knowing, correct?
A.    I don’t believe anybody ever came up without security knowing. They needed to know. You couldn’t get down the hallway. Rowe: He came through the front door.

Rowe: The doctors were there on 2 occasions, with all the same equipment.

Sometimes Michael would get IV for dehydration after shows, Rowe said.

Chang: He used IVs for fluids, vitamins while on tour, right?

Rowe: Yes

Chang: Based on your observations on that tour, Mr. Jackson wasn’t asking medication to get high?

Rowe: No. He didn’t like being high.

Chang: During the 20 years you were friends not habit of diprivan or any anesthesia to sleep?

Rowe: Not that I know

NOTE: Well, all that vitamins require is a portable IV only.  But the scene of two doctors coming through the front door with a ton of medical equipment is different and it suddenly reminded me that the manager of the HIStory tour was no other but Paul Gongaware, who definitely knew of those two episodes.

GONGAWARE AGAIN

Gongaware replaced Marcel Avram on the second leg of the tour as Avram went to jail for some tax fraud (what a nice pack of people these concert promoters are).

Okay, but if the doctors brought their equipment openly and took it away in the similar manner and did it on two occasions too, how is it possible that Gongaware as the tour manager didn’t know of it?

Just imagine it – the History tour did not have their own doctor, Michael gave no indication of taking any drugs (he really didn’t take any, he was absolutely clean) and he was giving sensational shows as Gongaware said in his testimony –  and here out of the blue two German doctors arrive with a ton of medical equipment, enter the front door, bring it over to Michael’s room, stay there until morning, 8 hours later take the equipment back and do it twice, and the tour manager does not know about it?

If you were the manager of the tour would you know? You and I would, and it is only Gongaware who has no idea, though he says that on the History tour he worked directly with Michael:

May 28, 2013 Gongaware’s testimony:

Q And sir, you then became a tour executive for the second leg of the History Tour, right?
A That’s right.
Q And the first leg you worked with Marcel Avram, is that right?
A Yes.
Q And the second leg, did you become then a tour executive?
A Yes. On the second leg I was working directly for Michael.

May 31, 2013 Gongaware’s testimony:

Q. During the second half of the tour, did you ever come to have an understanding as to whether Mr. Jackson had a doctor traveling with him?

A. He didn’t.

Q. And would you know if he did?

A. Yes.

Q. And during the second half of the tour, did you ever come to have an understanding as to whether Mr. Jackson saw any doctors on locations during the second half?

A. Not that I know of.

Q. Was there a tour doctor on that tour?

A. No.

Q. No personal doctor, no tour doctor, to your knowledge?

A. None.

Q. Did you see Mr. Jackson perform on the “History” tour?

A. Yes.

Q. How were his performances, in your opinion?

A. Great.

Q. You say that with some oomph. Why is that?

A. He was sensational.

Q. Did he seem healthy to you?

A. Yes.

Q. To your knowledge as you sit here today, did Mr. Jackson miss any shows during the “History” tour?

A. He only missed one, and that was when Princess Diana passed away. He went to bed at night he knew about the accident, went to bed, the last thing he heard was she was going to be OK, and woke up in the morning, and she’d passed away, and it affected him deeply.

Q. So as you sit here today, you can only recall him missing one during the tour, correct?

A. That’s the only one I know of, yeah.

Now AEG lawyers will surely say that those two German doctors bringing in Diprivan for MJ were a “dark secret” of Michael Jackson, but how could it be a secret if everyone around him knew about it including the hotel personnel? Well, I can assume that Gongaware did not know the specific substance that was given to MJ on those two occasions, but the fact that he had trouble sleeping before the show and was given something was surely absolutely no secret for any of them.

Gongaware simply turned a blind eye on what the doctors were doing to MJ – for this concert mafia anything is good as long as the singer can stand on his feet and perform. As to the rest of it – “they don’t know, they don’t see, they don’t care”, so I will never believe that Gongaware didn’t know. He did.

I also looked up Gongaware’s testimony about the Dangerous tour and the two doctors who “took care” of Michael there (Finkelstein and Forecast), and to my great amazement found that Gongaware fully confirmed everything I wrote about his friend Finkelstein in the previous post.

Unfortunately Mr. Panish didn’t allow Gongaware to disclose any details (due to “hearsay” rule), but even the little he said is enough to confirm that it was Finkelstein who was the first to give narcotics to MJ at the very start of the tour and who therefore ruined all the hard work done by Debbie Rowe, Dr. Metzger and Michael Jackson himself to replace narcotic painkillers with simple anelgetics.

And it is Dr. Finkelstein (now testifying for AEG) who is fully responsible for everything that happened to Michael on the Dangerous tour – the eventual cancellation of the tour, the rehab and the many millions of damages he had to pay to the tour promoter Marcel Avram,  and it is no other but his friend Gongaware who is confirming it. Amazing.

Gongaware’s testimony on May 30, 2013:

Q. And were there any doctors on that tour, Sir?
A. Yes, two.
Q. Now, one of them was named Dr. Forecast, correct?
A. Yes, that was Michael’s physician.
Q. What do you mean by —
A. That he worked strictly with Michael Jackson.
Q. And how do you know that?
A. I don’t know how I knew it, but that was the case.
Q. Well, did you ever talk to him?
A. Sure.
Q. Did he ever discuss with you in any way what his treatment was with Mr. Jackson?
A. No.
Q. Do you have an understanding as to whether — sorry — whether Dr. Forecast treated anybody else on the tour?
A. I don’t think he did. That’s why Dr. Finkelstein was out there.
Q. Do you have any understanding as to why Dr. Forecast was on the tour treating Mr. Jackson?
A. No.
Q. What party was Dr. Forecast in, if you remember?
A. He was — he would have been in A party.
Q. And you said the other doctor was the one that you know, Stewart Finkelstein, correct?
A. Yes.

Q. And you called him the tour doctor. What do you mean by that?

A. He was — we were going to just some strange — I wouldn’t call it strange, just different locations where we didn’t really know about quality of medical care, and so he was out there just to make sure everyone was taken care of.

Q. Now, was he in the A party?
A. No, he was in B party.

Q. B party. And I believe you said this, but let me ask, did you have an understanding at the time as to what type of doctor Dr. Finkelstein was?

A. Sure. He was a general practitioner.
Q. You also mentioned that he was your doctor, personal doctor, is that correct?
A. Yes, he was.

Q. Did you have an understanding as to whether or not Dr. Finkelstein was — had come on the tour to treat Michael Jackson?

A. That wasn’t the reason he was hired.
Q. Okay. What was your understanding as to why he was hired?
A. To take care of the B, C and D parties.
Q. Did you — did you ever see Dr. Finkelstein treat Michael Jackson?
A. Never saw him do that, no.
Q. Did you ever see Dr. Forecast treat Michael Jackson?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever seen any doctor treat Michael Jackson?
A. No.

Q. Now, did — during the time of the tour, the Dangerous Tour, can you recall Dr. Finkelstein ever mentioning to you that he treated Michael Jackson?

A. There were two times that he told me he did.
Q. Okay. Let’s ask about the first. What’s the first time?

A. Well, the first one was in Bangkok. We went in there — Michael hadn’t rehearsed at all, and we went in there, and he — it was like 100 degrees heat and 100 percent humidity, and he — he did the show, he nailed it. And then after that, we were supposed to do — take like a day off and do a second show in Bangkok before we moved on, and we couldn’t do the second show. Michael was — he wasn’t able to do it. Not — not right away, not as scheduled.

Q. And that didn’t answer my question, so I’m curious. My question was whether you had any understanding as to whether Dr. Finkelstein ever treated Mr. Jackson — yeah, Mr. Jackson.

A. That — I think that’s part of it. So when it — when the show was like postponed, we just said — I guess the management said we’re not going to be able to do the second show, we’re moving on, because I think the next show was in like Taipei, something like that. Maybe it was Singapore. But it was another country. And I didn’t understand why, you know, it was being cancelled, but the — but the King of Thailand said, “You’re not leaving until you play that second show because that’s when my friends are coming,” So he put like soldiers on the doors of the hotel to make sure we weren’t leaving. So at that point, you know —

Q. I’m going to have to ask it again. I apologize. Does Dr. Finkelstein come into this?
A. Yes, doctor — sorry.

Q. It’s all right.

A. I’ll get to it, I guess. Dr. Forecast wasn’t there then, he hadn’t arrived yet, so Dr. Finkelstein was pressed into service to treat Michael Jackson.
Q. All right. And so in Bangkok, you understood that Dr. Finkelstein, in some measure, treated Michael Jackson?

A. Yes.
Q. All right. Did he tell you the specifics of what he did?

Mr. Panish: That would be calling for hearsay.

Judge: Sustained.

Mr. Putnam: All right.

Q. Did you have an understanding as to what his treatment was?

Mr. Panish: It would call for hearsay.

Judge: It probably will. Sustained.
Q. Did you have an understanding as to any other time that Dr. Finkelstein treated, in any measure, Mr. Jackson?
A. Yeah, there was one other time he told me that he did.
Q. And when was that?

Mr. Panish: Same thing, your honor.

Q. Did you ever hear any details — I’m not asking what they were, I’m asking did you ever hear any details about that — those treatments?
A. No.

The story about “not knowing the details” is a lie because in his testimony Finkelstein said he always discussed things with Gongaware and I will never believe that he didn’t tell him what he was doing to Michael during those 24 hours while he was treating him to Morphine! From someone else he could conceal it, but from his old friend he sure wouldn’t.

Now Gongaware says that he heard of any drugs on the Dangerous tour only from Michael’s announcement on TV which is a joke that isn’t even funny:

Q. We were talking about Mr. Finkelstein during the Dangerous Tour, correct, sir?
A. Yes.
Q. All right. During the Dangerous Tour, not after, during it, did you ever come to have an understanding that Mr. Jackson had a problem with drugs?
A. No.
Q. Did you, during the Dangerous Tour, ever come to have an understanding that Mr. Jackson had a problem with painkillers?
A. No.
Q. Was the Dangerous Tour cut short, sir?
A. Yes.
Q. And where was it cut short?
A. Mexico city.
Q. And did you have an understanding as to why it was cut short?

A. After it — afterward, Michael made a statement that he had a problem.

Let me tell you one thing. These mafia concert promoters know everything inside out only they don’t give a damn as long as the performer is able to perform.

Moreover they even assume that a performer takes drugs to be able to cope with the incredible schedules they set up for them. It’s “business” for them, you know, and all they care about is that the show must go on. The more dates they squeeze out of the performer and the more tickets they sell the better it is, and how the artist deals with all the strain is none of their business.

I don’t know about others but as to Michael Jackson that was exactly the case. It is because all these people were sure that he was “doing something” and thought the worst of him that they overlooked his real health problem – lack of biological sleep of which he was slowly dying.

With so terrible preconceptions a person can die of a heart attack in full view of everyone but no one will help him because they’ll think that it is a withdrawal symptom and all he needs is a “straight jacket” and “tough love” which the revolting Randy Phillips demanded for poor Michael.

DAD AT LAST

After the episode with German doctors during the HIStory tour where Gongaware was the tour manager Rowe’s testimony went over to personal matters:

Chang: Did you have discussions he wanted to be a father? 

Rowe: He loved kids, he did.

Q.    Did you believe he would be a good father?
A.    I believe there are certain people who need to be parents, and I always thought he was one of them.
Q.    And in fact, because he wanted children, after his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley, did you offer to have children for Mr. Jackson?
A.    I was trying — he was devastated after their divorce. I was trying to help him feel better about it or try to figure out what happened. I said, “What’s the thing that makes you the saddest?” He said, “I never had any children.” And I said, “Well, that doesn’t have to keep you from being a father.” I said, “You can be a father.” I said, “Let me have a baby with you. You can have the joy of being a parent.”
Q.    Do you remember in fact — did you agree to have children with him?
A.    It took him a couple of weeks going back and forth thinking about it. Then we talked about it and then...

Debbie and MJ on a bike

MJ is in full make-up for Ghosts. Imagine him running  around the tarmac screaming with happiness that he would finally be a dad. This must have been quite a sight

Q.    Did you take Mr. Jackson for rides on a Harley sometimes? 

A.    We did go out, yes.
Q.    And is he still in his costume here?
A.    He was in makeup getting ready to shoot. That was when the mayor had turned into the monster, the ugly part, and I was done with work. It was — it had to have been in the afternoon. Maybe it was a Friday, and I only worked half day. I road my bike over. He was in Van Nuys. I lived in Sherman oaks. So I road my bike over. I asked if he could leave special effects to come for a ride with me. He said, “Sure.”

So then he always had had film crews with him to kind of document what he was doing different times of his life. They were going to come.

And I said, “No, I need to talk to you by yourself.” He said, “Okay.” So he got on the bike. I said, “where do you want to go?” He said, “Let’s go over here.” We made a mistake and got on the actual tarmac instead of going where you’re supposed to go. Anyway, we ended up getting where we’re supposed to go.

I stopped the bike. He said, “what’s the matter?” I said I needed to talk to him about something. He said, “What do you want to talk about?” I said, “You’re going to be a dad.”
Q.    This is when you told him that he was —
A.    That I was pregnant.
Q.    That you were pregnant with Prince? Okay. Was he excited?
A.   
He was so excited. He ran around the tarmac screaming, Rowe said sobbing. 

Chang asked if he bought all the books around. Rowe said he was a big reader anyway. “He wanted to be the best dad he could be” she recalled. Rowe said she asked Michael to make two cassettes for Prince, she wanted the baby to hear his voice.

Q.    Did he have to leave for the History tour shortly thereafter?
A.    He did.
Q.    Did he want the baby to hear his voice though every day?
A.    We had talked about — because I wanted to work. He said, “Come on tour.” I said, “No, I really need to work.” He said, “Well, I’m going to be gone.” I said, “I know that.” I said, “What I’d like you to do is make cassette recordings for me that I can play.” I said, “I’ll promise I’ll never listen to them. I think it’s important that the baby knows your voice. Since we’re not going to see each other, just do that for me.” So he made two cassettes for Prince. Every night I read before I went to sleep. So every night, while I was reading my horror books, I had a headset over my stomach so the baby could hear his voice. I don’t know. I told him, I said, “You should sing lullabies or read books or whatever just as long as the baby knows who you are.”
Q.    Did you do that for Paris as well?
A.    We did. We did. They knew his voice.
Q.    Now back when he left for the History tour, did there comes a time the two of you decided to get married?
A.    We did.

The wedding took place at night after the concert. Debbie Rowe was 6 months pregnant. Dr. Metzger was the best man

The wedding took place at night after the concert. Debbie Rowe was 6 months pregnant. Dr. Metzger was the best man

Chang showed pictures of Dr. Metzger and Rowe/MJ in Sydney during wedding, MJ, Debbie and kids.

Q.    Is Dr. Metzger the fellow all the way to the left?
A.    Yes, and that’s his ex-wife that you can barely see. Evie was my maid of honor. Evie was Michael’s assistant.
Q.    That’s Evie there on the right?
A.    No, that’s Dr. Metzger’s ex-wife.
Q.    That’s the two of you at the wedding in Sydney?
A.    Yes.
Q.    During the time period that you were married, did you have times that you got to observe Michael with the children as a father?
A.    He was amazing. He was amazing.
Q.    What was he like?

“He was an amazing father”

A.    He was so caring. We ordered the watermelon for the baby, and he said, “Share some with Debbie.”
Q.    And he did? He said, “Share some with Debbie,” and he turned to you and gave it. When did you find out you were pregnant with Paris?
A.    He was working. I think he was in town because I’d gone for a blood test, and they said I wasn’t pregnant. I stood up, and I got really dizzy. And I called him, and I said, “I know I told that you I wasn’t pregnant,” I said, “But I know that I am.”
Q.    Was he excited to have a little girl?
A.    He was. I told him, I said, “You’re going to be so whipped.” I said, “She’s just going to have you around her little finger. And all these plans that you made ruling the world with your son,” I said, “It’s not going to happen unless Paris says so.”
Q.    Did he buy her, even at that young age, clothes and jewelry?
A.    The funny thing was, before anybody knew that I was pregnant with his baby, we went out on tour, and he was shopping for clothes. It was his favorite thing to do is shop for children’s clothes. He would a lot of times donate them, when he got back, because there were boxes and boxes from tour. I was pregnant, and he was helping me pick out all these clothes, but he was picking out clothes for his own child. Nobody knew that. To this day, I still have never seen any pictures. There were people following us and stuff. It’s like no one ever put the two together.
Q.    Ms. Rowe, did there comes a time when the paparazzi and everything became too much and you decided to get a divorce?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And did you make a decision to leave the children with Michael?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And did you ever regret that decision?
A.    No.
Debbie and PrinceQ.    And why did you make the decision to leave the children with Michael?
A.    Michael wanted to be a father. I didn’t sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much, and I still do. I wanted him to be a father. I wanted him to have everything he didn’t have growing up. I wanted him to experience it with his own child, with his own children.
Q.    You meant that he performed all the time when he was young, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And he wanted his children to have a full childhood?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And did you know that he would give those children all the love in the world?
A.    I never questioned that he wouldn’t.
Q.    And you love those children, too?
A.    I’m so proud of them. I’m so proud of them. I’m so proud of his littlest one. He’s growing up so fast.
Q.    And you never — Ms. Rowe, the person that we’ve all observed you to be, you never would have left your children to a man that you believed was a drug addict, correct?
A.    No.

Chang asked how MJ looked in the This Is It movie. “He looked horrible,” she responded.  Rowe learned about MJ’s death on the radio, she was driving home.

Rowe said she saw Prince at least once after MJ died. “We don’t hate each other,” she said. But she’s closer to Paris. Rowe said at the end of March, April started seeing Paris, talked on the phone every day. “She stayed weekends with me,” Rowe testified.

“Their father is dead”

Their father is dead, an emotional Rowe said. When I saw the tour come out, the schedule, I called —
Ms. Stebbins:    Your honor, I’m going to object to this. This is all — the part about the tour schedule
Ms. Chang:    Ms. Rowe, I just want to ask you about just based on your observations, how have you observed the death of the father —
A.    “I almost lost my daughter”, Rowe said sobbing on the stand
Q.    Have you spoken to her about the loss of her father?
A.    She is devastated. She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore.
Q.    This is never what you wanted for your children —
A.    No.
Q.    — when you made that sacrifice?
A.    My children were never a sacrifice.

Rowe left the courtroom sobbing.

In re-direct, Rowe said Dr. Klein treated MJ for acne, lupus, scarring and vitiligo. Rowe said she wasn’t present when Michael had Botox because when she worked at Dr. Klein it had not been FDA approved yet.

Putnam: Did he use Diprivan for collagen procedure?

Rowe: Yes.

Rowe said it was just Demerol when collagen was injected around the mouth area. But when injection was under the eye, it was painful, that’s when we started the anesthesia, Rowe explained.

Rowe said she asked Michael Jackson are you here because you really need collagen, or why are you here. “I didn’t understand why he would come in twice in one week for something we had just done and I — I know he’s a perfectionist. I know he’s meticulous, but I didn’t necessarily see what he wanted to have done.” 

This was early 90s. She was concerned MJ was coming in for the drugs.

Putnam: You grew concerned about Diprivan intake, approached Klein?

Rowe: That was Demerol, I called Dr. Metzger, I was concerned about Demerol. Dr. Metzger said up Vistaril, lower Demerol.

Putnam: Did you ask Dr. Klein if he believed that Michael was addicted to Diprivan because you were worried about the frequency of his use? 

A.    Of going to Hoefflin, is that right?
Q.    I don’t know if he was going to Hoefflin or just otherwise. And —
A.   What was the question? I’m sorry.
Q.   Did you go to talk to Dr. Klein and ask him if he believed that Michael was addicted to Diprivan because of the frequency of the times with which Mr. Jackson was coming to get Diprivan?
A.    Yes, yes.
Q.    When was this? When did that conversation take place?
A.    Late ’80s, early ’90s.
Q.    And then he went to rehab, and that was in ’93, right?
A.    Yes.
Q.    And you talked to him while he was there, didn’t you, and you told him that he needed to stop taking the drugs?
A.    When he called me — he called me from England and said, “What are you doing?” I said, “I’m working. Normal people work.” I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “Well, I’m in England.” I said, “I know. You’re in rehab.” I said, “Aren’t you supposed to be working? Aren’t you supposed to be, like, making your bed or dusting or something?” I didn’t know what they did in rehab facilities. He said, “No. I’m fine.” I said, “You know you have to stop taking everything. You’re there to get cleaned up and to take care of business and to be fine.”
Q.    When you had that conversation, do you remember specifically telling him that he needed to stop taking the Diprivan?
A.    I told him everything. He had to stop everything.
Q.    You in fact specifically said he had to stop taking the anesthetic, correct?
A.    Yes.
Q.    This was in 1993?
A.    Yes.

HIStory tour was 96-97, Munich.

Putnam: Metzger had Jackson’s interest in mind?

Rowe: Yes.

Rowe said Dr. Metzger directed her to bring a bag of medication to the Peninsula Hotel for Dr. Forecast.

Dr. Klein went to HIStory tour to do collagen touch ups, acne treatment. He gave MJ Demerol.

I was told you can’t become addicted to Diprivan, Rowe testified. She said it was an anesthesia.

Before you go to sleep, there’s a bit of loss of control, she explained. “I was worried that sensation might trigger an addiction.”

He was a bit of a control freak, he didn’t like to be high, Rowe said.

Rowe: I was just worried that part of the anesthesia would kick in. I was told you can’t become addicted to it.

Rowe: Dr. Metzger wanted to try Xanax and Michael said that hadn’t work. I said you need to talk to each other and let me know what to do.

Debbie and MJ 10

MJ and Debbie in Paris, 1996

After the divorce, Rowe never talked to the doctors about Michael’s treatment anymore.

Putnam: After 2000, whatever happened to Mr. Jackson you don’t have first knowledge?

Rowe: Correct.

In re-cross, Chang questioned: When you asked Dr. Klein if anyone could be addicted to diprivan, he said no, correct?

Rowe: Yes

Chang: Was the bag of medication to wean MJ off Demerol before 1993 rehab?

Rowe: Yes

Chang: Did he do everything he could to be the best?

Rowe: He did

Rowe was excused.

PART 2

MEDIA COVERAGE

The media reports about Debbie’s testimony covered only a small fraction of what she said. No proper mention was made of the surgery on Michael’s head and I am afraid that the general public most probably did not even grasp the enormity of the problem.

I don’t remember anyone stressing the point that Michael’s use of painkillers was fully legitimate and actually the only way out in that situation. Little detail was also provided of the hard work done by Rowe, Dr. Metzger and Michael himself to reduce his dependency of painkillers.

No, most of it was a combination of several phrases reshuffled back and forth in one and the same standard manner. By the way the headlines alone make it clear that the nastiest and closest to tabloids is the LA Times: 

Debbie Rowe cries during testimony

Wednesday, August 14, 2013

By Miriam Hernandez and Christina Salvo

LOS ANGELES (KABC) — Michael Jackson’s ex-wife Debbie Rowe took the stand Wednesday in the pop icon’s wrongful death trial, crying as she described Jackson’s fear of pain.

It took a subpoena to bring Rowe, mother to Prince and Paris Jackson, to court to testify for the defense. Prosecutors questioned Rowe about Jackson’s drug use when they were a couple. AEG attorneys want to show that Jackson had drug problems as far back as the early 1990s.

Rowe was a nurse assistant to dermatologist Arnold Klein, who she said provided the painkiller Demerol and Propofol for many of the hundreds of treatments Jackson received over 20 years.

According to records in evidence, Klein was treating Jackson up until three days before his death.

Rowe broke down on the witness stand, describing Jackson as a victim of doctors competing over a celebrity patient.

Michael respected doctors immensely,” she testified. “Unfortunately, some of the doctors decided that when Michael was in pain, that they would try to outdo each other, who could give the better drug.”

Rowe identified the doctors as Klein and plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin.

“These idiots were going back and forth the whole time and not caring about him,” Rowe said.

Rowe testified that Jackson had trouble sleeping, but always seemed to be able to sleep after a doctor’s appointment. She said his use of pain meds started with his accident in 1984, when his scalp burned filming a Pepsi commercial.

In 1993, she described a painful surgery to stretch his scalp and remove scar tissue. Even though the surgery happened three years before Jackson wed Rowe, she was present during the surgery. She said Jackson asked her to be present to make sure everything was OK.

“Michael had a very low pain tolerance,” Rowe said as she began to cry. “His fear of pain was incredible.”

Klein and Hoefflin, she said, were providing powerful drugs — to the point she consulted with Jackson’s internist. She testified that Dr. Allan Metzger designed a plan to wean Jackson off the meds.

She told the jury that another doctor foiled the effort as Jackson left on the Dangerous World Tour, and that he rejected Metzger’s directions. Later that year, Jackson announced he was cutting his Dangerous World Tour short to enter rehab.

“My friends and doctors advised me to seek professional guidance immediately in order to eliminate what has become an addiction. It is time for me to acknowledge my need for treatment in order to regain my health,” Jackson said in a recorded statement at the time.

Rowe returns to the witness stand on Thursday.

AEG is trying to show that Jackson’s use of medications and prescription drugs was habitual, and that his death, in part, was caused by his own behavior.

The lawsuit, brought by Katherine Jackson and the pop star’s three children, claims that AEG was negligent in Jackson’s death. Katherine Jackson claims that AEG executives pressured her son to perform and, at the star’s request, hired Dr. Conrad Murray.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9206174

Jackson’s ex-wife testifies about his fear of pain

By ANTHONY McCARTNEY
— Aug. 14 9:18 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson’s ex-wife broke into tears on Wednesday when she took the witness stand in a civil case and described the singer’s fear of pain and reliance on physicians.

Debbie Rowe said the pop star trusted doctors to prescribe pain medication to him, but they sometimes tried to outdo each other while losing sight of Jackson’s care.

“Michael had a very low pain tolerance and his fear of pain was incredible,” Rowe said. “I think the doctors took advantage of him that way.”

She said she was with Jackson when he received treatments from his longtime dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein and from plastic surgeon Dr. Steven Hoefflin.

They would try to out-do each other, with each one prescribing different drugs while trying to persuade Jackson their recommendations were better to manage his pain, she said.

The doctors “were going back and forth the whole time, not caring about him,” Rowe told jurors.

Rowe is the mother of the singer’s two oldest children, Prince and Paris Jackson. She and the pop star were married from 1996 to 1999. Rowe also worked with Klein beginning in the late 1970s.

Rowe said she told another one of Jackson’s doctors, Allan Metzger, that she was concerned that Klein and Hoefflin were giving the singer too many medications.

“The only physician who ever did anything, the only physician who cared for Michael was Allan Metzger,” Rowe said, fighting back tears.

Rowe said Metzger arranged for two doctors to give Jackson the anesthetic propofol in Germany in 1997 when he complained that he couldn’t sleep during his “HIStory” tour.

On two occasions, the doctors brought medical equipment to Jackson’s hotel suite and monitored the singer while he was under the effect of the anesthetic for eight hours. The doctors warned Jackson about the dangers of using propofol, but Rowe said he disregarded the information.

“He was just more worried about not sleeping,” she said. Rowe said she would not allow the singer to get similar propofol treatments for sleep issues after the use in Germany.

Jackson died from an overdose of propofol that was administered by another physician in 2009.

Rowe also described efforts to wean Jackson off the painkiller Demerol after he had surgery in 1993 to repair damage to his scalp sustained when he was burned while filming a Pepsi commercial years earlier.

She said Metzger devised a plan to treat Jackson’s pain with different medications before he went on a leg of his “Dangerous” tour. Rowe lived with Jackson for three weeks to ensure he stayed on the regimen.

“At that point we were friends,” Rowe said. “He wasn’t a patient.”

She said Jackson knew he couldn’t take pain medications forever and needed a strong voice to get him off the drugs. “I’m probably one of the only people who said no to him,” Rowe said.

Rowe said the plan to break Jackson’s use of Demerol failed when a doctor who accompanied the singer on tour gave him the drug while overseas.

A phone message left at Klein’s office was not immediately returned. An email sent to Hoefflin’s former practice was returned, stating the plastic surgeon retired five years ago and no longer practiced medicine.

Rowe said Jackson respected doctors immensely because they went to school and vowed to do no harm to patients.

Katherine Jackson claims in her lawsuit that AEG Live failed to properly investigate the doctor later convicted of giving her son an overdose of propofol while he prepared for a series of comeback shows in 2009.

She sat in the front row of the courtroom and leaned forward in her seat during portions of Rowe’s testimony.

AEG denies it hired Conrad Murray or bears any responsibility for the singer’s death.

Marvin S. Putnam, the company’s lead defense attorney, said in opening statements that the case was about Jackson’s personal choices and his desire to use propofol as a sleep aid.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/jury-hear-jacksons-ex-wife-debbie-rowe

Debbie Rowe: Michael Jackson used propofol to sleep in the 1990s

By Jeff Gottlieb and Matt Hamilton
August 15, 2013, 5:36 a.m.

Describing the King of Pop as being “at the end of his rope,” Michael Jackson’s ex-wife on Wednesday testified that the singer twice used the powerful anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid in the 1990s.

Debbie Rowe’s testimony in a Los Angeles courtroom was the first evidence in Jackson’s wrongful-death trial that the singer had previously used propofol — which eventually killed him — for a purpose other than medical procedures.

Rowe was called as a witness by AEG Live in the lawsuit filed by Jackson’s mother and three children. The Jacksons say that AEG negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, the cardiologist who administered the fatal dose of propofol to Jackson in June 2009 as he was rehearsing for a 50-concert comeback in London.

AEG says that the singer hired Murray and that any money the company was supposed to pay the doctor was an advance to Jackson.

On Wednesday, Rowe testified that while performing in Germany in the mid-1990s, she and Jackson called Dr. Allan Metzger, Jackson’s internist, complaining that the singer couldn’t sleep. She said Jackson told her that sleeping pills hadn’t worked and that “he was at the end of his rope.”

Metzger arranged for a German medical team to go to Jackson’s hotel suite in Munich. Rowe said the two Germans brought enough equipment that the hotel room resembled a surgical suite.

Rowe said her husband was unconscious for eight hours while the medical team monitored him. She said Jackson used the anesthetic again three days later, but it was the only time she witnessed the singer using the anesthetic for sleep.

Experts have testified that being unconscious from propofol is not the same as sleep.

Earlier in the day, Rowe portrayed the singer as being whipsawed between doctors who were competing to see who could give him the most powerful painkillers while she was trying to wean him from the drugs.

She spent much of her testimony describing drugs administered by dermatologist Arnold Klein, her employer, and plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin, saying they would try to one-up each other by prescribing Jackson stronger drugs.

“These idiots were going back and forth the whole time, not caring about him,” she testified.

Rowe said she was with Jackson about 10 times when Hoefflin gave him propofol while undergoing various procedures, such as collagen and botox injections. She said Klein also gave him propofol.

“Michael had a very low pain tolerance, and his fear of pain was incredible, and I think the doctors took advantage of him that way,” Rowe said.

Rowe, the mother of Jackson’s two oldest children, spoke in colorful, folksy language and joked about her 60-mile drive to the downtown Los Angeles courtroom. But she also flashed anger at an AEG attorney and cried several times.

She portrayed herself as the singer’s best friend and guardian. “He trusted people — foolishly, foolishly trusted a lot of people,” she said as Jackson’s mother nodded in agreement.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-debbie-rowe-michael-jackson-propofol-20130815,0,6454650.story

As usual Alan Duke provided the most details:

Michael Jackson’s ex-wife testifies

Debbie Rowe forced to testify about singer’s drug use

By Alan Duke CNN

POSTED: 03:08 AM PDT Aug 14, 2013 UPDATED: 04:40 PM PDT Aug 14, 2013

LOS ANGELES (CNN) – Debbie Rowe, who is the mother of Jackson’s two oldest children, is being forced to testify about the singer’s drug use by lawyers for AEG Live, the concert promoter being sued by members of Jackson’s family, who say the promoter is responsible for his death.

Doctors “would try to outbid” each other on who could giveMichael Jackson “the better drug” for his pain, Rowetestified Wednesday.

Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson sat Wednesday morning in the front row of the small courtroom, where she has spent much of the past 16 weeks watching the trial.

Dr. Allen Metzger — Jackson’s general practitioner in the United States — arranged for the German anesthesiologists to infuse the singer with propofol in a Munich hotel in July 1997 after sedatives failed to help him sleep between concerts, Rowe testified.

“I think they tried it and it hadn’t worked and if he couldn’t sleep, he couldn’t perform,” she testified.Jackson “was at the end of his rope; he didn’t know what else to do.”

He “felt better” after eight hours of propofol-induced sleep and decided to get a second treatment after his second Munich show, she said.

Metzger testified at the criminal trial of Dr. Conrad Murray that he was never involved in giving propofol treatments for Jackson and was not aware of the drug until much later.

Rowe, who met Jackson when she worked as a nurse in the Beverly Hills office of Dr. Arnold Klein, backed away from her previous statement at her deposition in which she said doctors also gave Jackson propofol infusions in hotels in France during the HIStory tour.

AEG Live contends that Jackson used propofol for years to treat his insomnia, including when Rowe was traveling with him in Europe in the 1990s.

The coroner ruled Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from a propofol overdose administered by Murray, who is serving a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

Rowe testified that Jackson underwent surgery in 1993 to repair burns suffered years earlier.

His doctors “couldn’t get a grip of the pain” and that two doctors “were having a pissing contest over who gave him the better drug.”

“Michael had a very low pain tolerance, and his fear of pain was incredible,” Rowe testified. “And I think that doctors took advantage of him that way.”

Rowe has rarely given interviews since her divorce from the pop icon, although she did testify in her former husband’s defense during his child molestation trial in 2005. Jackson was acquitted on all charges in that case.

Jackson lawyers smiled as the trial recessed for the lunch break, indicating that they believed the defense witness was actually supporting their case.

“Michael respected doctors immensely, that they went to school, that they studied and to do no harm,”Rowe said. “Unfortunately, some of the doctors decided that when Michael was in pain or something that they would try to outbid on who could give him the better drug and so he listened to those doctors.”

Rowe said many of the doctors who treated Jackson were “idiots,” including the dermatologist she worked for from 1979 until she quit in 1996 before she married Jackson.

“The only physician who ever cared for Michael as Michael was Allen Metzger,” Rowe testified.

“So Metzger continued as his doctor?” AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam asked.

“I don’t know, because Conrad Murray got in there and killed him,” Rowe replied — a reference to the doctor AEG Live is accused of hiring.

AEG Live executives, who were promoting and producing Jackson’s comeback concerts, had no way of knowing that Murray was infusing him with propofol each night for two months in the spring of 2009, Putnam said.

“Almost no one knew until after his death,” he said. “AEG Live certainly didn’t know about it.”

The Jackson family’s lawyers contend that the promoters ignored warning signs that Jackson’s health was deteriorating during the two months before his death. Instead of getting him to another doctor who might have saved his life, they gave Murray the responsibility of getting Jackson to rehearsals, they argue.

Michael Jackson’s mother and three of her children contend AEG Live is liable in his death because it negligently hired, retained or supervised Murray. The company’s agreement to pay Murray $150,000 a month put the doctor in a conflict of interest because he was in deep debt and could not risk losing the job by refusing Jackson’s demands for propofol, their lawyers contend.

AEG Live argues that while its executives negotiated with Murray to serve as Jackson’s physician for the “This Is It” tour, it was Jackson who chose and controlled the doctor.

One revelation from Rowe was that a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon faked doing a procedure on Jackson on two occasions, although he told the singer he had done it. Jackson complained about painful scars in his nose and went to Dr. Steven Hoefflin to inject them with collagen, she said.

“He put Michael out and didn’t do anything but put tape on him as if he had treated him,” Rowe testified. The doctor told her he did that because he could not find the scars Jackson thought were there.

Wednesday is the 69th day of testimony in the trial, which the judge told jurors would likely be given to them for deliberations in late September.

http://www.keyt.com/lifestyle/entertainment/Michael-Jackson-s-ex-wife-testifies/-/17653428/21460722/-/item/1/-/5jb1gd/-/index.html

Debbie Rowe: Paris Jackson ‘has no life’ since father’s death

By Alan Duke, CNN

updated 3:22 PM EDT, Thu August 15, 2013

Paris and Debbie. Spring 2013

Paris and Debbie. Spring 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) — The mother of Michael Jackson’s two oldest children broke down in tears when she was asked to describe the impact of the singer’s death on his daughter Paris.

“Their father is dead,” Debbie Rowe responded. “I almost lost my daughter! She is devastated. She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore.”

Paris, 15, attempted suicide in early June and is still being treated in a facility for her emotional problems.

Jurors sitting for a 70th day of testimony in the wrongful death trial of Jackson’s last concert promoter have laughed loudly at time during colorful testimony of Rowe, who alternated between tears and jokes.

When she and Jackson divorced after their three-year marriage in 1999, the singer “got custody of the doctors,” she joked Wednesday.

Rowe returned to the witness stand Thursday for a second day of testimony in the small Los Angeles courtroom. She was ordered to testify about the singer’s drug use by lawyers for AEG Live, the concert promoter being sued by Jackson’s mother and three children.

Wednesday’s questioning by AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam centered on Jackson’s use of prescription drugs — to deal with pain from scalp surgery, and two times in Germany, where doctors used the surgical anesthetic propofol to treat his insomnia.

Thursday’s testimony, however, began with Rowe’s description of Jackson’s skin problems, which included vitiligo — a condition in which his pigment disappeared, leaving large white spots on his face, hands and body.

“Everyone says he bleached himself, but he didn’t,” Rowe said. Many of his visits to Dr. Arnold Klein, the Beverly Hills dermatologist where she worked for 18 years as a medical assistant, were to treat the condition, she testified.

Jackson compared himself to the “Elephant Man,” a 19th-century Englishman who became a circus sideshow curiosity because of severe disfigurements, she said.

“He was worried that people would see the disease or the disfigurement before they would see him working sometimes,” Rowe testified.

He also suffered from discoid lupus, which made his skin tissue “mushy,” especially on his scalp, she said. Jackson’s scalp was severely burned during a pyrotechnics accident while he was filming a Pepsi commercial in 1984.

MJ’s insomnia struggle

Two German doctors treated Jackson’s insomnia with propofol 12 years before he died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic, Rowe testified Wednesday.

Dr. Allen Metzger — Jackson’s general practitioner in the United States — arranged for the German anesthesiologists to infuse the singer with propofol in a Munich hotel in July 1997 after sedatives failed to help him sleep between concerts, Rowe testified.

“I think they tried it and it hadn’t worked, and if he couldn’t sleep, he couldn’t perform,” she testified. Jackson “was at the end of his rope; he didn’t know what else to do.”

He “felt better” after eight hours of propofol-induced sleep and decided to get a second treatment after his second Munich show, she said.

Metzger testified at the criminal trial of Dr. Conrad Murray that he was never involved in propofol treatments for Jackson and was not aware of the drug until much later.

Rowe backed away from her previous statement during a deposition, in which she said doctors also gave Jackson propofol infusions in hotels in France during the HIStory tour, in the late 1990s.

AEG Live contends that Jackson used propofol for years to treat his insomnia, including when Rowe was traveling with him in Europe in the 1990s.

The coroner ruled Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from a propofol overdose administered by Murray, who is serving a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

AEG Live executives, who were promoting and producing Jackson’s comeback concerts, had no way of knowing that Murray was infusing him with propofol each night for two months in the spring of 2009, AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statements 16 weeks ago.
“Almost no one knew until after his death,” Putnam said. “AEG Live certainly didn’t know about it.”

The Jackson family’s lawyers contend that the promoters ignored warning signs that Jackson’s health was deteriorating in the two months before his death. Instead of getting him to another doctor who might have saved his life, they gave Murray the responsibility of getting Jackson to rehearsals, they argue.

Michael Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, and three of her children contend AEG Live is liable in his death because it negligently hired, retained or supervised Murray. The company’s agreement to pay Murray $150,000 a month put the doctor in a conflict of interest because he was in deep debt and could not risk losing the job by refusing Jackson’s demands for propofol, their lawyers contend.

AEG Live argues that while its executives negotiated with Murray to serve as Jackson’s physician for the “This Is It” tour, it was Jackson who chose and controlled the doctor.

“Getting a grip’ on MJ’s pain

Jackson underwent surgery in 1993 to repair burns suffered in the 1984 accident, including placement of a balloon under his scalp to stretch it over several months, Rowe testified.

His doctors “couldn’t get a grip of the pain” the procedure caused and two doctors “were having a pissing contest over who gave him the better drug,” she said.

“Michael had a very low pain tolerance, and his fear of pain was incredible,” Rowe testified. “And I think that doctors took advantage of him that way.”

Rowe said many of the doctors who treated Jackson were “idiots,” including the dermatologist she worked for from 1979 until she quit in 1996 before she married Jackson.

“Michael respected doctors immensely, that they went to school, that they studied … to do no harm,” Rowe said. “Unfortunately, some of the doctors decided that when Michael was in pain or something that they would try to outbid on who could give him the better drug, and so he listened to those doctors.”

Metzger tailored a plan to help Jackson withdraw from dependence on demerol, a powerful painkiller given him because of the scalp pain, she said. That plan, however, was derailed when Jackson resumed traveling on his “Dangerous” tour, she said.

After six weeks, when the tour reached Mexico City (in autumn 1993), Jackson was “a hot mess,” she said.

“He was depressed,” she said. “He had taken something. I don’t know what he had taken or who he had got it from.”

After a three-day argument with Jackson, Rowe said, she convinced him to end his tour early and enter a drug rehabilitation program.

“You need to straighten up,” she said she told Jackson. “You need to face whatever it is that is going on and we’ll get through this.”

Jackson eventually announced publicly that he was entering a rehab program to deal with an addiction to prescription drugs.

Rowe said Jackson’s drug use was not a secret among people in the “Dangerous” tour production. AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware, who was the over the “This Is It” production when Jackson died, was also tour manager for the “Dangerous” tour.

One revelation from Rowe was that a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon faked doing a procedure on Jackson on two occasions, although he told the singer he had done it. Jackson complained about painful scars in his nose and went to Dr. Steven Hoefflin to inject them with collagen, she said.

“He put Michael out and didn’t do anything but put tape on him as if he had treated him,” Rowe testified. The doctor told her he did that because he could not find the scars Jackson thought were there.

Thursday is the 70th day of testimony in the trial, which the judge told jurors would likely be given to them for deliberations in late September.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

Debbie Rowe sobs on witness stand while describing daughter Paris Jackson’s ‘devastation’ after Michael Jackson’s death: ‘She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore’

BY NANCY DILLON / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

THURSDAY, AUGUST 15, 2013, 5:27 PM

Rowe testified for a second day in the wrongful death trial pitting the King of Pop’s children and mom Katherine Jackson against AEG Live, the concert promoter behind his ill-fated ‘This Is It’ shows.

Michael Jackson’s ex-wife wailed in anguish on the witness stand Thursday as she described the “devastation” that nearly claimed her only daughter with the King of Pop.

“Their father is dead…I almost lost my daughter,” Rowe said through loud sobs when asked about the fallout from Jackson’s fatal overdose in June 2009.

“She is devastated, she tried to kill herself,” Rowe moaned, describing 15-year-old Paris. “She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore.”

When a lawyer for Katherine Jackson suggested that Michael’s death wasn’t something Rowe contemplated when she made the “sacrifice” of giving him full custody of their kids, the former dermatologist’s assistant snapped back.

“My children were never a sacrifice,” she said, breaking down to the point that she needed time to compose herself outside the courtroom.
Rowe, 54, testified for a second day in the wrongful death trial pitting Michael’s kids and mom Katherine Jackson against AEG Live, the concert promoter behind his ill-fated “This Is It” shows.

Katherine and the kids claim AEG should pay some $1 billion for negligently hiring the doctor convicted of providing the singer with the surgery-strength anesthetic that killed him.
AEG claims Michael hired Dr. Conrad Murray and had a secret history of using the anesthetic to treat his insomnia.

Paris’ early June suicide attempt – in which she reportedly took 20 Motrin pills and slashed her arm with a kitchen knife – came up after Rowe described her decision to bear Michael’s kids.

She said the “Thriller” singer was “devastated” when Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce in 1996, and she wanted to ease his pain. Rowe said she asked him what made him “saddest,” and he said it was the fact they never had kids.

“I said, ‘Let me have a baby with you,'” Rowe told the Los Angeles jury. “It took him a couple weeks going back and forth, thinking about it, and we talked about it.”

Rowe never elaborated on how they pursued conception, but she described in intimate detail the afternoon she rode her Harley Davidson motorcycle across the San Fernando Valley to meet Michael on the Van Nuys Airport set of his 1996 short film “Ghosts” and break the baby news.

Michael was getting ready to do a shoot, she recalled, but she convinced him to hop on the back of her Harley so they could find a private spot to talk.

“I said, ‘You’re going to be a dad!’ I was pregnant,” Rowe recalled. “He was so excited, he ran around the tarmac screaming.”
She said Michael recorded cassette tapes that she would play on headphones over her pregnant belly so the baby would know his voice.

“He was amazing,” she said of Michael’s performance as a new dad for Prince.

Rowe said Michael was equally over the moon when he learned that Paris was on the way.
“I told him, ‘You’re going to be so whipped,'” Rowe testified. “Before anyone knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes.”

Rowe said she had no regrets about “leaving” the kids with Michael when their 3-year marriage ended in divorce in 1999.
“Michael wanted to be a father. I didn’t sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much and I still do,” she said, breaking down in tears. “I wanted him to be a father, I wanted him to have everything that he didn’t have growing up, wanted him to experience it with his own child, his own children.”
She agreed with Katherine’s lawyer that she “never” would have left the kids with Michael if she thought he was “a drug addict.”

In testimony Wednesday, Rowe portrayed Michael as the victim of unscrupulous doctors who tried to capitalize on his fear of pain and curry favor with copious amounts of narcotics.

She said the one doctor she trusted was internist Dr. Allan Metzger, the man who would act as Michael’s best man at their 1996 wedding in Sydney, Australia.

But under questioning by AEG’s lead lawyer Marvin Putnam, Rowe admitted that it Dr. Metzger who sent two German anesthesiologists to Michael’s Munich hotel room in 1997 to give the singer 8-hour anesthesia infusions to help him sleep.

She said Michael was desperate for sleep and told Metzger that Xanax wasn’t strong enough to do the job.
“He said he was at the end of his rope, he didn’t know what else to do,” she testified Wednesday.

“I said, ‘What happens if you die?'” she recalled. “(But) I don’t think he was worried about it. He was just more worried about not sleeping.”
Rowe said she stayed for much of the overnight treatment with propofol but had to go back and forth to care for 5-month-old Prince.
When Michael woke up, he claimed he was in better shape, she recalled.
“He said he felt better,” she said.
Under questioning by Katherine’s lawyer, Rowe said the treatment didn’t appear to be a dark secret.
She said the doctors brought their equipment through the front door of the hotel with the help of security.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain…icle-1.1428194

Here is Thomas Mesereau on the AEG trial:

PART 3

THE THRILLER OF MICHAEL JACKSON’S LIFE

I hope it scares you, I hope it makes you laugh and makes you cryBut the best coverage of the period described above came from Michael Jackson himself.

It is a leaked film about making Ghosts (1996) which covers exactly the time we’ve been talking about and the period when Debbie got married to Michael Jackson.

Actually the episode where she takes Michael by her byke to tell him about her pregnancy is even part of this film.

The film is full of magic, ghosts, skeletons dancing and walking on the walls, and Michael explains the idea of it:

  • We wanted this type of approach – the fun of being afraid. A roller coaster ride. All kind of emotions.

But what Michael did not know of is that the film would turn into a kind of a prophesy mapping out the incredible events to take place in his and our future. Indeed who could imagine that Michael would first show us his skeleton and skull in the literal meaning of the word, and then would come back to dance and talk to us again – at least in this film? And say things which makes it sound like he knew them of advance?

MJ as the mayor

“He is Mr. Right wing. He is Mr. Establishment. He is the guy who none of us like” – Stan Winston, director of the film

For example the fact that Mr. Establishment personified by the Mayor in the film will one day discover something of Michael Jackson inside himself and will be forced to dance the way Michael did and to his music too?

  • “I play that fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor. And I say it that way because those kind of people are so stubborn, they just don’t see the beauty of the inside of the person. The Ghost gets inside of me. His spirit compels me to move in a certain fashion and that’s difficult because when I move I’m fighting against what’s inside of me. 
  • I tell to the town people: “I’m okay. I’m the Mayor, everything is fine. And then something starts to happen inside of me. I’m like fighting all the time.”

Indeed, now that people begin reflecting on Michael Jackson’s life it seems that the collective Mr. Establishment is beginning to fight his own former self and doubt whether he was right in the way all of them treated Michael…

And who could expect that after his death Michael would talk to us from the screen and encourage us to be bold and innovative, and say “yes” even when everyone else says “no”?

  • “I like pioneering. That’s what exciting – a new idea. Something fresh and innovative, and that’s what I want to do. I don’t like repeating myself at all.  If the whole world says No, you say Yes!”
Do yourself a favor.

“Back to the surface, you freak? Do yourself a favor. Don’t force us to be rough with you. Go away!”

I watched the film and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Michael was explaining his life and said that all of it started with Mr. Establishment challenging and threatening him:

  • “Back to the surface you freak? Do yourself a favor. Don’t force us to be sick and rough with you”.

Maestro is incapable of hurting anyone at all, but he had no other way out but challenge these people back:

“When they start to challenge me they make me territorial, really,  and I start to challenge them back.”

  • “Here is a guy which is myself, that I am playing. He doesn’t really want to hurt anyone or offend anyone, bu they find him a bit strange and eccentric and “weird”. The older people do, the grow ups.” 
  • “When they start to challenge me they make me territorial, really, and I start to challenge them back.
  • And I do all these wonderful things that is like magic because I am really trying to scare this mayor who is a creep. He is a real creep, and I don’t like him”. 

Stan Winston, the director of the film adds to it:

  • “Michael plays himself – the Maestro, the Ghost. Nice people he scares a little bit – for fun. And nasty people he scares a little harder which is what we’re doing to the Mayor”.

While the first part amazes you with Michael’s approach to all the nastiness he had to cope with – which you never expected to hear from him, especially after his death – the second part of the film is the example how tirelessly he worked on each of his movements and how long it actually took to create a dance.

You think that it is already over but he repeats it again and again in complete silence to the sound of the beat only, and even take 32 is not yet the final one.

in a costume for a skeleton dance

“I play the skeleton”. The costume had markers for a skeleton dance

You see him dancing, you see him tired, you see him waiting, you see him lying on his side, you see him serious, you see him fooling about –  you see a lot of him the way you have never seen him before.

He will also take his hat off and even show himself with some short hair on his poor head. And all this time he will be wearing a tape on his nose.

But whichever way you see him the sight of it will be fascinating  and you won’t be able to take your eyes off the screen.

“I hope it makes you laugh and I hope it makes you cry”

And the first part of the film will end with Michael addressing you directly.

He will speak with a shy smile on his face and say things which will sound terribly symbolic, amazing and a little bit hair-raising.

At least to me it looked like he was talking not about the film but about his life:

I hope you enjoy it.

I hope it’s inspiring to a lot of people.

I hope it scares you.

I hope it makes you laugh and I hope it makes you cry.

That’s all I wanted to achieve.

Just some real fun entertainment. 

No, Michael’s often tragic life is absolutely no entertainment for us, but a big thriller it sure is.

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Here is the full transcript of Debbie Rowe’s second day of testimony thanks to the efforts of TeamMichaelJackson.

No more transcripts will be posted beginning next week for lack of funds. If you want to help, donations can be sent via paypal to manager@teammichaeljackson.com

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  1. Meow permalink
    May 1, 2015 6:18 pm

    @Helena Thanks for clarifying that up. I get it now. It has been noted that Debbie has a very explosive temper. I do recall that the custody battle started in 2003. The motive of Debbie wanting the children back has not been cleared enough by the media. However, following a logical mindset of a mother being worried about her children’s welfare, I think it does make sense.

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  2. May 1, 2015 4:50 pm

    “was it really true that she said that Michael was a sociopath. Such information has been published and this made me all so confused.” – Meow

    Yes, it is true that during her legal fight with Michael over their children she called him that way (according to Sergeant Robel who interviewed her on March 4, 2004). The reason she said it was that he regarded his children as his possessions:

    16 THE WITNESS: She referred to Michael as a
    17 sociopath and his children as being possessions.

    She hadn’t seen them for two or three years and was furious and determined to get them:

    4 Q. Do you remember she said to you, “Officer,
    5 I have Michael’s Achilles tendon, I have the kids.
    6 I don’t have them, but I’m going to have them.” Do
    7 you remember that?
    8 A. I remember something to that effect.

    Sergeant Robel said he didn’t know that she was in dispute with Michael at that time:

    25 Q. Did you know she was in a dispute with Mr.
    26 Jackson about the children when you conducted that
    27 discussion with Debbie Rowe?
    28 A. To the best of my knowledge, I want to say
    1 that I did not.

    Debbie Rowe was so enraged that she asked her lawyer Iris Finsilver to “fuck Michael’s defense” as she wanted the kids:

    8 Look at the fourth quote down of Debbie
    9 Rowe. It starts with, “Iris.” Do you see that?
    10 A. It said, “Iris, I…”
    13 Q. She says, “F-u-c-k his defense at this
    14 point. I want the kids.” Do you see that?
    15 A. Yes, I do.
    16 Q. Did you think that might have some relevance
    17 to a dispute between Mr. Jackson and Ms. Rowe when
    18 you heard her say that?
    19 A. By reading it, you could interpret that, but
    20 at the time I did not.

    It turns out that Debbie was angry not only with Michael but with those surrounding him too. He was easily manipulated by them:

    28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: This was a conversation
    1 where she said, “Michael is very easily
    2 manipulated,” true?

    3 MR. SNEDDON: Object. Same objection.
    4 THE COURT: Sustained.

    Now let us remember that a typical feature of sociopaths is a skill to manipulate others. And Debbie said the opposite – that it was Michael who was easily manipulated.

    So you decide for yourself whether Debbie used it as a medical word or as a figure of speech to express her fury with MJ during that custody battle. What names do ex-wives give to their ex-husbands when they are angry with them? I know many others which are even worse than that.

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  3. Meow permalink
    May 1, 2015 3:08 pm

    This is quite late, but I am retracing some of the issues that had come into light since Michael’s death. With Debbie’s testimony, I can see how close their relationship was. I wonder why their friendship went downhill after they divorced, despite Debbie defending Michael on the 2005 trial. Also, was it really true that she said that Michael was a sociopath. Such information has been published and this made me all so confused.

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  4. alice permalink
    August 27, 2013 8:52 am

    Ohh yes, of course, I do remember the Wass/Flanagan drama now. Thankyou Sina and Helena for refreshing my recollection. I think before I read it initially I had forgotten what Flanagan looked like (i.e., like 100 years old and senile) and when I started re-watching it this week I did not put two and two together on the basis he looks far too old for a woman of Wass’s age to have a relationship with. Not that I’m judging her preferences! Haha.

    Also, just a quick random thought that probably doesn’t have much relevance, but Murray’s stripper/actress girlfriend Nicole Alvarez testified in Murray’s trial that she gave birth to her baby boy at Cedars-Sinai medical centre in 2009. The same place Murray says AEG were using to offer the head of anaesthesiology there the position with Michael for $40,000. And Alvarez probably received anaesthesia during the birth… was Murray with her during the birth? Did he meet the anaesthesiologist or suggest someone to AEG or Michael?
    -alice

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  5. August 26, 2013 1:29 pm

    “Posters feel the Jury will have a kinder regard for Michael due to some of the Testimonies heard. This may be true, but it will only be whether or not AEG was in fact Conrad Murray’s employer and therefore in control of the medical care or lack thereof given to Michael which will matter.” – Dialdancer

    Dial, when I was recently looking through the exhibits on Panish & Boyle’s site http://www.psblaw.com/blog.html/ I found one document which has a direct bearing on who employed whom. It shows that Conrad Murray was employed by AEG in the same way as they employed Karen Faye and Michael Bush. In the document they absolutely admit that the expenses on Murray’s house in London were their responsibility and not Michael’s.

    And this AEG email does not specify that this is some kind of a ‘special agreement’ with Murray (for example, about the house only). No, it looks like the doctor is attributed to the same group of people as Karen Faye and Michael Bush and works under the same terms on which all the others were working.

    Here is the email. I think it is a clear proof that Murray enjoyed the same status as Faye and Bush – the status of an employee:

    This email is now placed in the recent post, only at the very end of it, so it takes time to get there. The word Tour or Show cost are part of production costs and are encicled to show that they are AEG’s responsibility. AEG themselves say here that Tour cost is their cost. Now they lie about it saying that all the expenses were Michael’s obligation, but this is not exactly so.

    “I have never heard of another civil case which was aired for the public, but this is one that should have been. Not because of Michael and AEG, but due to a rare opportunity for the public to see what it takes to prove charges against another or defend oneself in a civil trial. What and who may be involved and how long the entire proceeding may be. Gain an understanding that should the defendant lose there is almost certain to be appeals which means years of delays and the possibility another Jury will find the Defendent(s) innocent.”

    This is a good example for the general public to see what it would have been like if Michael had not settled with Jordan Chandler and had agreed to a lengthy civil trial. Imagine that his Dangerous tour has just been cancelled, he needs to work and earn money, heal the wound on his head and go on with his private life (he wants to get married and start a family) but instead of all that he is supposed to be in court month after month, seeing himself trashed inside out both in the courtroom and in the media? They would have raised everything there – up to his then drug issues and financial problems, not to mention Jordan’s allegations!

    In a way what we see now gives us the idea of what it would have been like then, in 1993. Only then it would have been much worse. The agreement to televise the trial was already in the making and to defend himself Michael would have had to produce the photos of his genitalia. They would have acquitted him through and through – but imagine the shock and humiliation it would have been for him! Especially if they televised it!

    “What I have come to understand is, this trial showed without a doubt the lengths the powerful will go to win and how far the Media will go to quiet any negative information about them.”

    I agree. The longer it goes the wider our eyes open to the reality which up till has been closed by a smokescreen. They have long dropped their masks and show themselves in all their glory. The only drawback of it is that it is done at Michael’s expense.

    “What I hope is the Jurors will feel insulted by some of the tactics employed. Tactics which these arrogant people believe will distract them.”

    The distraction is very much there. AEG is actively misplacing the focus of this trial.

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  6. August 26, 2013 11:53 am

    I was going over my collection of photos of MJ with Diana Ross for a comment on a different thread and found one which is directly connected to the operations on Michael’s poor scalp we are discussing now. I made this screenshot from some ceremony on January 29, 1986 a day or two before Diana Ross’s marriage to the Norwegian billionaire which was on February 1, 1986.

    Michael was so offended and so jealous that he didn’t attend the wedding though was invited. Actually she had already married Arne Naess a month or so before this moment, and didn’t say a word of it to Michael. The ceremony in February was a church ceremony.

    Michael does not know how Diana’s future husband Arne Naess looks and is jealous of every guy with fair hair in her vicinity. This is why he casts a terrible look at the man standing behind Diana Ross. It isn’t Arne Naess but Michael doesn’t know it.

    But now I also notice Michael’s strange hair cut. He definitely has the top of his head raised and covered with a hairpiece or I don’t know what. This is January 1986 or exactly two years after the burn. Over here we may be witnessing one of the several attempts to stretch his scalp with a balloon.

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  7. August 26, 2013 9:57 am

    “What? Wass and Flanagan? Details! I can’t believe I don’t know this.” – Alice

    I think I owe you information. This is what I have:

    Conrad Murray’s Altadena Attorney Ordered to Stay Away from Former Colleague
    Attorney Michael Flanagan, who represented Michael Jackson’s physician Conrad Murray, claims that his former co-counsel, Altadena resident Valerie Wass, stalked and threw hot coffee on him.

    • April 8, 2013

    A male attorney who ended his representation of Michael Jackson’s physician in a dispute with the attorney’s female co-counsel — who was his alleged lover — has obtained a three-year extension of a stay-away order against his former colleague.

    The woman — who said in court papers that the two attorneys were having an affair that led to the breakup of the male attorney’s marriage – allegedly threw hot coffee on her former lover at a doughnut shop. But lawyer Valerie Wass, who was ordered to stay away from former co- counsel Michael Flanagan, said the coffee was only “lukewarm,” having been purchased 30 to 40 minutes earlier.

    Pasadena Superior Court Judge Mary Thornton House directed Wass not to come within 200 yards of Flanagan, his business or his car. The Altadena resident also was directed not to harass or intimidate Flanagan. House’s order last Wednesday extended to April 3, 2016 a temporary restraining order against Wass issued in March by another judge.

    Flanagan had been assisting Wass, who is working as Dr. Conrad Murray’s appellate attorney, seeking to overturn the physician’s November 2011 involuntary manslaughter conviction in the June 2009 death of Michael Jackson. In her reply to Flanagan’s request for an extension of the stay-away order, Wass said she and Flanagan were involved in a nearly year-long affair and that the day after the relationship ended in mid-January, Flanagan’s wife told him to move out of their house.

    “Since then he has turned on me and he has been extremely mean and nasty to me, he has used physical force against me, he has bullied me and tried to intimidate me, and he refused to uphold his professional responsibilities in regard to (Murray),” the 55-year-old Wass stated.

    According to court papers filed by Flanagan’s lawyer, Charles Unger, Wass confronted Flanagan on March 8 at a Winchell’s doughnut shop on Lake Avenue.

    “Miss Wass came into Winchell’s … yelling gross profanities and threw a scalding hot container of coffee at my face and torso,” Flanagan stated in his court papers. “I was slightly burned by the coffee and also incurred property damage to clothing.”

    Wass told a reporter afterward that she “should have shot me,” Flanagan’s court papers indicated. Wass also has “stalked” Flanagan other times at Winchell’s, at Crispy’s Deli in Glendale and at the jail, Flanagan’s court papers state. She also has been “relentless with obscene emails to my office,” Flanagan’s court papers stated.

    Flanagan alleged the situation got worse as time passed.

    “In each of these incidents she used physical force and extreme profanity,” Flanagan stated. “Each incident is getting progressively more violent.” In her declaration, Wass admits she threw coffee at Flanagan, but said it was “lukewarm, purchased 30 to 40 minutes before and I threw it at his chest, not his face, and he did not even flinch.”

    She said she tossed the coffee at Flanagan because he took property from her, pulled her out of a car and threw her into the street, yelled profanities at her and undermined her when talking to Murray. “I was simply reacting as a person that had been pushed and bullied by him one too many times,” Wass stated.

    Wass denied stalking Flanagan and said the two often have gone to the same restaurants and other locations. She maintained Flanagan never returned the cell phone she lent to him in November and shoved her out of his car in February in Glendale when she demanded he hand it over. She said that after she was ejected from the vehicle, Flanagan ran over her house key and that she could not get into her home for several hours until she obtained a spare key from a friend.

    Wass said Flanagan is making her the “sacrificial lamb for his failed marriage.”

    http://altadena.patch.com/articles/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-pasadena-attorneys-courthouse-altadena-valerie-wass-michael-flanagan

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  8. August 26, 2013 9:32 am

    “But somehow it is also a blessing in disguise that he voluntarily records and puts out all these messages. He can absolve AEG all he wants but how does he explain their search for another anesthesiologist.” – Sina

    This point about an anesthesiologist is extremely interesting. If AEG indeed wanted to hire an anaesthesiologist for the job, then it will answer a lot of questions. Up till now the only other doctor mentioned at the trial who wanted $40,000 a month was Dr. Finkelstein, Paul Gongaware’s friend. But he introduced himself as an addiction specialist (when he ruined all the hard work done by Metzger, Rowe and Michael himself he was only studying in this field).

    I looked up the list of doctors at Cedars-Sinai and it doesn’t contain any familiar names, however 4 years ago it could be different. Finkelstein is not on their staff: http://mdfind.csmc.edu/results.aspx

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  9. August 26, 2013 9:04 am

    “He did disclose in his ‘documentary’ the pressure RP was putting on him and Michael.” -Sina

    So part of what Murray is saying is the truth, only his perception of things is gravely distorted and that is what he says is such a terrible mess. Frankly, I couldn’t make myself watch the documentary and haven’t seen this video either because for some reason Murray makes me physically sick.

    “Unfortunately neither his voicemail messages or the documentary can be used as evidence”

    Maybe fortunately too, because from what I hear about Murray he is a totally inadequate person. I am not even sure that he is sane.

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  10. August 26, 2013 8:52 am

    “Because it is the fraudulent contracts (for both Murray and Michael), the inhumane schedule set, the cruel and disrespectful and abusive treatment, the undue pressure and potentially criminal efforts to secure either insurance or assets upon Michael’s death, illness, and/or inability to perform that AEG and others must be held accountable for.” – Alice

    You’ve summed up AEG’s behavior very well indeed. I no longer talk about it as I used to before, but only for a reason that many people are taking this style for granted and call it “business”. To people like that it is useless to talk about ethics, rules, or God forbid, compassion. Their “business” simply does not allow room for flimsy things like that – their motto is “the one who prevails is the one who is right”.

    Take the schedule of Michael’s concerts for example. No matter how often I write about the outrage of it and the fraud standing behind it, there is practically no reaction. When I wrote about it at the MJJCommunity forum, the so-called “fans” were even defiant – “So what of it? This is business!”

    Well, of course MJJCommunity is in the hands of AEG people, and recently I made sure of it again. Their Ivy published two versions of Murray’s contract lying to her readers that in the later version AEG corrected the contract into Michael’s favor. The first version said that Murray was to perform the services requested of him by the “Producer”, and in the second one it was allegedly changed into “Artist”. But this is an outright lie – this was never done!

    But who of the fans will really look? Few will. And it is these AEG people who constantly say to Michael’s fan community – all of it is normal, business is always done that way, he should have known better, etc. etc. etc. And there is a very big strategy behind it all – if all people employ the same dirty methods as AEG does it becomes an accepted standard, and if it is standard where is the harm?

    “If it is somehow deemed relevant how much of a ‘role’ Michael had in his own death, then maybe AEG attorneys should also allow Jackson attorneys to start delving into the circumstances I highlighted above and let the question be asked and answered; WHY was this supposed drug/propofol/whatever dependency enhanced at this time of Michael’s life when, before meeting Tom Barack and before meeting Tohme and before Gongaware and Philips and everybody else in this nasty business came back into Michael’s life for their own gain, Michael had been so happy and so healthy and so involved in his life, in his work, in his family? Answering those questions is what, I feel, must be done to both rebut AEG’s corrupt nonsense and the other lies at large in all of this.”

    Right. If the judge includes that outrageous question, then let her also include questions like: How much of a role do you believe the media had in his death? And doctors who made mistake after mistake in treating him and got him addicted to prescription medication? And those who falsed accused him of all those molestation horrors? And prosecutors who persecuted him half of his life?

    All these questions are absolutely relevant to the case of Michael’s death, because all those things deprived him of his sleep. And lack of sleep and not propofol was ultimately the reason for his death.

    After seeing what trouble Michael managed to overcome in his life and still survive I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have made any number of shows. He was an incredibly tough person but even he could not go without sleep for more than 60 days.

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  11. Sina permalink
    August 26, 2013 8:31 am

    “ But what Murray is not disclosing is that apart from treatment he listened to AEG in everything else and gave in to their pressure in every request (demand) they made. They told him to bring Michael to rehearsals no matter what and he did, even when he saw Michael dragging his feet. They told him to take care of the insurance on the day Michael died and he did, totally forgetting about his patient. And so on.”- Helena

    He did disclose in his ‘documentary’ the pressure RP was putting on him and Michael. And guess what, the next day Michael did attend the rehearsals and the day after and …the rest is history.
    Unfortunately neither his voicemail messages or the documentary can be used as evidence , while they are both eleborate statements he made, pertaining his case, that he made voluntarily.
    The jury is not supposed to consider them, but they will notice his audacity to refuse to testify on the stand , his total disrespect of a verdict and his contempt to testify not under oath but in the public arena where he knows there are no repercussions. But it will backfire on him and AEG. Because AEG not once acknowledged the verdict and the flirting of his lawyer with AEGs is too transparent.

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  12. August 26, 2013 7:39 am

    “Hope this is okay Helena, let me know if you need me to clarify or re-listen to certain parts. Feel free to format it a little better to your liking also, if you think it will help for the purposes of determining and differentiating between Murray’s words and mine (perhaps in bold or italics?). Thankyou.”- Alice

    Alice, thank you very much for so perfect a job! You’ve done all of us a great favor. I was busy with the post and am reading Murray only now.

    Wow. Though some of these things may be partially true when they get tinged by Murray’s crooked personality they turn into something indescribable. “Michael thought that his family wanted to kill him?” Who does Murray take us for? And in what mad world of illusion is he living?

    As to Ortega, yes, there was no love lost between him and Michael during that period because Ortega went with his complaints about MJ to the very top of AEG thus giving them a perfect pretext for harassing MJ. But saying that Ortega was an “assailant”, especially in the circumstances after the meeting on June 19 when Ortega finally felt sorry for Michael and sent him home, is actually turning everything upside down. If the word assailant is to be used here, it should have been applied to Ortega much earlier, when Ortega was declaring “tough love” on Michael and playing now-or-never card.

    The fact that both MJ and AEG were joint employers of Murray seems to be correct and this is exactly what created the conflict of interest. Now I have found AEG’s email which clearly states that Murray was part of the “Tour expense” which was AEG’s responsibility, and not Michael’s and this makes him a 90% AEG’s employee and only some 10% Michael’s. His services to Michael were akin to friendship (if this word is applicable here at all) – “I am your friend but you must understand that the money is paid to me by your opponent bullying you.” If this is “joint” employment, then this is what it is.

    The idea that Murray never listened to anyone in respect of treatment is actually good – so his usage of propofol on Michael for two months is totally Murray’s doing, even if Michael initially mentioned propofol to him.

    But what Murray is not disclosing is that apart from treatment he listened to AEG in everything else and gave in to their pressure in every request (demand) they made. They told him to bring Michael to rehearsals no matter what and he did, even when he saw Michael dragging his feet. They told him to take care of the insurance on the day Michael died and he did, totally forgetting about his patient. And so on.

    Murray was torn between his two “employers” where the principal one was the one who was paying him money, so there can be no doubt who was prevailing there – AEG of course.

    And this is absolutely consistent with AEG’s own understanding of the situation. Gongaware wrote in his email: “We want to remind him who is paying his salary” and they did remind him about it when they invited Murray to a meeting, so there shouldn’t be any illusion as to who his principal master was – it was AEG.

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  13. Sina permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:55 am

    @ Alice,
    Re
    You nailed Murrays character: no empathy or compassion at all even if he tries to fake it for Michael. or he has a strange way of showing it. Anyway acting is no option nor entertainment or media. I wonder how AEGs expert rates CMs likeability. They know that if they put him on the stand , case closed.

    “We can presume from this that he probably isn’t reading from a script – unless the script has also been incorrectly numbered or is missing a section. Again, unlikely.”
    -I think he was reading from a script. The tone and pace do not sound like it is by heart. He also misreads at least one time or stops in the middle of a sentence ( bad sight ?) and corrects himself. These are not sentences and words you can learn by heart. Maybe he decided while reading to leave that part out .

    “I don’t feel anything would have been cut out by TMZ. The more crazy that spills from Murray’s hatch, the more it is to their benefit”
    – It could be something that suggests that the message was sent directly to TMZ.

    “this claim that AEG had made an offer of $40,000 a month to the head of anaesthesiology does implicitly imply that AEG were thoroughly aware that a specialist in anaesthesia was to be hired for treatment to Michael”
    – It was also Gongaware who had contacted Finkelstein. Finkelstein was the tour doctors who had told Gongaware not to become a doctor Nick( the killerdoc who gave Elvis deadly cocktails). This is a part of the testimony that I hope Panish will remind the jury of because it got lost in the cacophony of the defendants side tracks.

    “As a side question, do we know who (and if) the regular tour doctor was for the rest of the crew? Was any background check performed on them?”
    -This is a very relevant question that must have been asked , but I can’t remember . Interesting to find out

    “Woah! What? Wass and Flanagan? Details! I can’t believe I don’t know this.
    Now you’ve got me on a cliffhanger, Sina. Very Murray of you, lol.”
    – Yep, You could not make that up. Wass was Flanagans assistant/ lover/ gate crasher. She got a restraining order after she attacked him with hot coffee. Well in her defense, she said it was luke warm :-):

    “Pasadena Superior Court Judge Mary Thornton House directed Wass not to come within 200 yards of Flanagan, his business or his car. The Altadena resident also was directed not to harass or intimidate Flanagan. House’s order last Wednesday extended to April 3, 2016 a temporary restraining order against Wass issued in March by another judge.”

    http://altadena.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-pasadena-attorneys-coura40c67985f

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/01/conrad-murray-lawyer-fight-dumped-michael-flanagan/

    @ Dialdancer :
    “What I have come to understand is, this trial showed without a doubt the lengths the powerful will go to win and how far the Media will go to quiet any negative information about them. What I hope is the Jurors will feel insulted by some of the tactics employed. Tactics which these arrogrant people believe will distract them. A belief the Jurors are not capable of rational thought and the ability to pay attention to the testimonies and physical evidence rather than the 3 ring circus put on to cloud the facts they are to judge on.”

    I have the same concerns but I hope they will get good instructions what is meant by hiring and /or supervising, to stick to the essence of the case and not follow all the sidetracks AEG tries to trap them into. And all the lies and half truth we have heard.
    It is not an easy case to decide , but the standard is met if the jury finds the proposition more likely to be true than not . (preponderance of the evidence).

    IMO there is a high probability that hiring in legal terms can be proven and supervising imo is proven without a doubt. They do not need to have known what Murray was giving Michael, though Gongaware probably suspected it. Considering their experience firstly with Michael, their second opinions of other doctors, the contract with their name on it and CMs responsibility towards them, even asked to help with the Insurance, the equipment he asked, which would go back to AEG afte use, but also their experience in the industry with other attists. They could have known that Michaels deterioration and not showing up had to do with Murray and their threats (= supervising/giving instructions )to Murray ( who is paying the bill) confirm it.

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  14. August 25, 2013 11:46 pm

    I have read many comments from many sites where the posters believe the Jury will take into consideration their new knowledge of Michael. Posters feel the Jury will have a kinder regard for Michael due to some of the Testimonies heard. This may be true, but it will only be whether or not AEG was in fact Conrad Murray’s employer and therefore in control of the medical care or lack thereof given to Michael which will matter.

    I have never heard of another civil case which was aired for the public, but this is one that should have been. Not because of Michael and AEG, but due to a rare opportunity for the public to see what it takes to prove charges against another or defend oneself in a civil trial. What and who may be involved and how long the entire proceeding may be. Gain an understanding that should the defendant lose there is almost certain to be appeals which means years of delays and the possibility another Jury will find the Defendent(s) innocent. Learning that the Defense will do their best to put the victim on trial.

    What I have come to understand is, this trial showed without a doubt the lengths the powerful will go to win and how far the Media will go to quiet any negative information about them.

    What I hope is the Jurors will feel insulted by some of the tactics employed. Tactics which these arrogant people believe will distract them. A belief the Jurors are not capable of rational thought and the ability to pay attention to the testimonies and physical evidence rather than the 3 ring circus put on to cloud the facts they are to judge on.

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  15. alice permalink
    August 25, 2013 7:54 pm

    Hey Sina!

    My pleasure, and thanks for your response.
    I expressed in my post of the transcript that Murray’s speech patterns are, at times, hard to decipher initially. There are difficulties also in background noise on the recording. It’s true the version I am listening to has been re-uploaded by TeamMJ (which I can also tell in audio by the noise of volume adjustment you can hear at the beginning – this is on most of their videos), but a lot of the other background noises clearly come from where Murray is recording and/or being recorded. To speculate, it is almost like there is so much noise in the background that we could say he is not making this recording from prison. There are noises, like things being knocked over or moved about, that suggest someone else is in the room. At one point there is a car – but I believe the clarity of this suggests it is coming from the room where TeamMJ are, essentially, re-recording the piece to upload themselves.
    But this is just speculation. Interesting to observe, though. For me, it is the combination of his incredibly particular word choices and his over-exaggerated enunciation, pauses, sighs, and – most importantly – his tone, that I find unsettling in spades.

    The tone of his voice during this piece is something that I am, unfortunately, unable to portray in a simple transcript. The emphasis on certain words, the inflection on certain words, his phrasing, the pauses, the gait, all of these total for a listening experience that far supersedes our typical impression of ordinary discussion. This is a tone of self-importance, emphasis which implies the imparting of great wisdom upon an uneducated mass. He sounds like he’s preaching, like he’s laying down the law, like he’s a politician speaking at a conference, a priest at mass, and that tone is what I find most disturbing.

    If, for one minute, any of what he is saying about knowing Michael’s ‘wretched’ past is true, or if he is so capable of divulging the truth behind Michael’s life and death, then if he were a reasonable, sane, compassionate human being he would be relaying this with the family and not with the public via a media corporation who assumedly paid him for this rot.
    Ergo, we can infer he does not have compassion, he does not have the family’s interests at heart, he is not sane, he is not reasonable. Therefore he is not to be trusted. And nor are his words. Anyone who has sold their story to the media is someone to consider with caution. I particularly feel his choice of exceedingly hyperbolic words (such as ‘assailant’ for Kenny Ortega) are used in a means to heighten the direction of blame elsewhere than to himself.

    I added a postscript after my post floating the idea if Murray would ever try and claim he was actually performing an assisted suicide on Michael. If he were to try and claim this now, it would certainly ‘inflame’ his own personal situation in terms of his incarceration. To claim this now, before he is released, could certainly stand to change his circumstance and see him retained in prison for longer and perhaps even re-tried on the grounds of second degree murder. But once he is released (as he knows will be the case very soon), I feel it is a feasible suggestion that he may try and make this claim of ‘assisted suicide’ once he is released. Because, from my view, this is really the only claim he can make that will possibly engender some kind of sympathy towards him from the public. To potentially stop being attacked on the street by fans. It’s something I feel uncomfortable suggesting, but there are probably fans out there who would literally kill him. For means of self-preservation, claiming assisted suicide could, in Murray’s mind, work to ensure that he is not killed, not attacked, not vilified.

    This is just my speculation though, based on my interpretation of his words and circumstance. I’m not saying I believe any of it to be true. I am merely positing the idea that he may try and claim such, I’m just putting it out there for everyone’s consideration. A stray thought I had at the end of transcribing, that I mentioned to see what everyone thought of it.

    RE:
    “CM had so much time on his hands, he dissected every piece of information about MJ he could find.”

    Exactly. Murray has, hopefully, no future employment in medicine or health. Therefore his only hope of income is of selling stories to the media about Michael and his family. He will probably end up becoming some sort of media go-to expert a few years down the track, after he releases his book and has some huge-scale interview circus. So he’s gotta research like there’s no tomorrow to make sure everything and anything he says or writes adds up to a story that is flattering to him. His contradictions thus far are blindingly obvious to us, but not everyone will interpret them as carefully. And the media doesn’t like to get bogged down in boring things like detail or accuracy anymore. Like I’ve said many times, journalists today are not what journalists should or used to be. By and large they do not fact check, they do not analyse, they do not corroborate anything. Garbage from people like Murray and pre-fabricated press releases from AEG media advisors is essentially what they will and do run, instead of actual news or genuine journalistic editorial reports. Pathetic.

    RE:
    ““Number four: Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself, were requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael, nor AEG
    – which one is it ? . So Michael never told you to inject him with propofol?”

    I know right! For a guy so supposedly concerned with not accidentally incriminating himself further during his incarceration, he’s not doing a great job of it. Essentially he just admitted that the decision to inject propofol was his own decision, not Michael’s. Awkward.

    RE:
    ““Papa bear” –  sorry, this one made me lol. He is one crazy dude. Well Jermaine did talk about cubs , so Murray thought , cubs have papa and mama bears, so there you have it.”

    Ha! I couldn’t believe my ears when I deciphered what he was saying there. His pronunciation of ‘bear’ made it difficult at first. Not to say whether Michael used these nicknames himself, but the fact Murray has deemed himself worthy and familiar enough to use them also is unsettling. To then claim in the same monologue that the family ‘bears’ were demanding money and pressuring and supposedly plotting to murder Michael is just bizarre. Why call them by familial nicknames then accuse them of these things?

    RE:
    ““And he was in an abysmally deepening trough from soaring loans from AEG which exceeded $40,000,000 at that time.” – This comes straight from the civil trial .”

    Yep, exactly. TeamMJ noted this at the end of the video as you have, too, Sina. Clearly Murray’s lawyer Wass has not been sitting with AEG attorney Sabrina Strong during the Jackson trial just to hold her hand. I can’t even believe that Wass is allowed in the court during the trial, to be honest. Surely that contravenes some kind of precedence or conflict of interest? One thing I can posit here is that, after re-acquainting myself with Judge Michael Pastor from the Murray trial, this is something he probably would not have allowed to occur if he were presiding over the Jackson trial. He was excellent, and incredibly astute and affable also. But he was on point. He was as involved with the running of the case as he was in letting counsel explore relevant areas, clarifying questions for witnesses, allowing sidebars when requested, etc. He never missed a beat. He ejected people for using their phones, as is court procedure (though I have noticed he did not see defence counsellor Chernoff using his phone and texting during testimony under his desk, but then the judge can’t see from the angle the TV cameras were placed in). By comparison, Judge Yvette for the Jackson trial is calling AEG attorneys by their first name. (i.e. ‘Jessica’ instead of ‘defense counsel’ or ‘Ms Stebbins Bina’) So there’s that to consider.

    RE:
    “Alice, could 5 have been cut out by TMZ or CM attorney? 2x 7 coincidence or on purpose?”

    Oooh, a good suggestion. It’s certainly possible that number five was edited out. I feel it is unlikely though, just going by the stream of audio without interruptions and the occasional tone of uncertainty that enters Murray’s voice whenever he begins a new number, as though he cannot remember what number he was actually up to but doest want to correct himself because it will make him sound like an idiot. Which he does anyway. We can presume from this that he probably isn’t reading from a script – unless the script has also been incorrectly numbered or is missing a section. Again, unlikely.
    Why would these errors be left in if credibility is desired? If it were CM’s attorney who performed the cut, why edit only five out if there’s the ability to edit out number three, which is also detrimental to AEG? And the area where he says Michael called them ‘snakes’?
    I don’t feel anything would have been cut out by TMZ. The more crazy that spills from Murray’s hatch, the more it is to their benefit. The only reason they would cut parts is to stagger the release of audio for more attention, in my opinion.
    If Murray decided parts should be cut out of the initial audio, he probably would have just re-recorded the whole thing again instead of editing it into oblivion.
    But, anything is possible and the realms of audio tampering are far beyond the human ear for detection.

    RE:
    “If Murray cannot count I see why he confused the dose of propofol that he gave Michael.”

    LOL. Got it in one. Hahahahaha. God, what an absolute scab.

    RE:
    ““Number seven: To the best of my knowledge AEG was not aware of my medical treatment of Michael.”
    – You either know or you don’t. And how did AEG arrive at the idea to hire an anesthesiologist? Lucky guess or is he shading Gongaware here? Oh I forgot, too inflammatory to talk about.”

    While Murray doesn’t specify whether trying to hire the head of anaesthesiology from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center was a request that came from Michael or AEG initially, this claim that AEG had made an offer of $40,000 a month to the head of anaesthesiology does implicitly imply that AEG were thoroughly aware that a specialist in anaesthesia was to be hired for treatment to Michael. Ergo, they would know what one kind of treatment being given to Michael would be. Anaesthesia. And this is where we must ask, as you did Sina, who had prior knowledge of Michael being given anaesthesia while on tour? PAUL GONGAWARE. Was this why no questions were asked? Because Gongaware had seen it happen before in Germany? Did he give it the okay? If Murray’s claim is true, then yes. Gongaware and AEG did know what kind of medical treatment may be occurring on Michael. And this is exactly why they should be taken to trial. Irrespective of who asked for this service, if AEG were trying to hire someone for this service they had an obligation to enquire as to what purpose this would serve. Both in the case of the head of anaesthesiology and, subsequently, in any other doctor or medical practitioner who may be installed later. As a side question, do we know who (and if) the regular tour doctor was for the rest of the crew? Was any background check performed on them?

    RE:
    ““Michael referred to AEG as ‘snakes’and said they were too intrusive in his personal affairs “.
    – How intrusive were they? To the point that they ordered ‘doctor’ to take care of his schedule and /or warned Murray that they were paying him to get Michael to rehearsals?”

    If they were too intrusive in his personal affairs then it’s a pretty big and contradictory leap for Murray to later claim they were not intrusive about his medical affairs.

    RE:
    ““But Ortega was not astute enough to recognise how much pain he was causin’ Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitude and whose mettle (sic) had become exceedingly listless” – Was not CM his doctor in control of everything, including his schedule, and responsible for his health and well being ,for 150 K ?”

    I find this quote of his to be one of the most disturbing. He completely eradicates his own role and AEG’s in the situation of Michael ‘losing his mental fortitude’ and ‘exceedingly listless mettle’ by neglecting to mention that one of the big reasons for Michael’s state was due to going 60 days without real sleep. The pressure and cruelty exceeded by AEG compounded this, and caused it’s perceived need by Michael. This does not excuse his role or their role. And yes, Murray was supposedly sorting out Michael’s schedule with Randy Phillips. Something which Ortega changed his story on during his re-call to the stand recently to exclude Phillips. This also implicates both Murray and Phillips as continuing to enforce a schedule that was still not good enough and inhumane to Michel. To any performer.

    RE:
    “Maybe CM should be reminded that he is a convicted felon and that the one on trial here is AEG and not all the people Michael allegedly hated .”

    I know right. Maybe we should get Bono and Steven Spielberg on the stand next. Because, according to anaesthesiologist Dr David Adams (Mr “Yeah I’ll take $100,000 a month for three years to help Michael Jackson ‘sleep’ but don’t ask me what he means by that and it obviously has nothing to do with me being involved in anaesthesia”), Michael didn’t like them either. Quick, somebody tell AEG attorneys (aka ‘Jessica’ and ‘Marvin’) to get Bono in court. Maybe Bono killed Michael. Yeah, that’ll be Murray’s next theory. Bono. Bono and Madonna. And Prince. And Elvis.

    RE:
    “Murray must be a nightmare for his attorney / AEG connection.”

    Oh my God, absolutely! It is almost comedic re-watching his trial right now. If I drank alcohol, which I don’t, I could probably play my own drinking game on moments where Murray is just making things impossible for his lawyers. I’d call it “Have a shot whenever Murray frantically whispers at Chernoff and Chernoff shudders and turns away to drink diet coke and smooth his oily hair”. And I’d already be in hospital getting my stomach pumped by like, day 4. I can only imagine what my intoxication levels would be like if I played “Have a shot whenever Murray rolls his eyes/acts disrespectful or above it all” or “Have a shot whenever Flanagan/Chernoff ask stupid questions or misstate testimony” or “Have a shot whenever a prosecution witness shuts down Flanagan/Chernoff for being d*ckheads.” At that point you could probably hold a match up to my skin and use my entire body as lighter fluid. I wouldn’t even want to play “Have a shot whenever Chernoff wears a terrible suit or Flanagan sways unsteadily on the spot without the aid of the counsel stand.” I’d be clinically dead before the first four hours had passed of testimony.

    RE:
    “Maybe the fight between Wass and her former lover Flanagan also had to do with CM behaving like a loose cannon. In the documentary he accuses his lawyers of bad representation. Was Wass already part of the legal team or was she just a part of Flanagan ?”

    Woah! What? Wass and Flanagan? Details! I can’t believe I don’t know this.
    Now you’ve got me on a cliffhanger, Sina. Very Murray of you, lol.
    -alice

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  16. Sina permalink
    August 25, 2013 12:17 pm

    Alice thank you for the audio and the transcripts .
    Murrays voice gives me bad vibes.The message is pathetic and hilarious at the same time.
    It boils down to him being Michaels (next) Savior who tried hard to protect Michael against all his assailants, took good care of him . Then Michael for no reason killed himself by selfinjecting or drinking propofol. How ungrateful Michael was. But he is still the best friend Michael ever had and made a promise to Michael to tell his true story.
    A killer in denial is a danger to society. Imagine he will be on the streets in a few weeks.

    CM had so much time on his hands, he dissected every piece of information about MJ he could find . Its clear that most of what he says comes straight from the civil case or other outlets, even fanboards and he is contradicting himself in almost everything he says . I agree with all your comments . to add:

    “Number three: Both AEG and Michael Jackson were my joint employers”.
    – very interesting.

    “Number four: Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself, were requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael, nor AEG
    – which one is it ? . So Michael never told you to inject him with propofol?

    “Papa bear” – 🙂  sorry, this one made me lol. He is one crazy dude. Well Jermaine did talk about cubs , so Murray thought , cubs have papa and mama bears, so there you have it.

    “And he was in an abysmally deepening trough from soaring loans from AEG which exceeded $40,000,000 at that time.” – This comes straight from the civil trial .

    Alice, could 5 have been cut out by TMZ or CM attorney? 2x 7 coincidence or on purpose?
    If Murray cannot count I see why he confused the dose of propofol that he gave Michael.

    “Number seven: To the best of my knowledge AEG was not aware of my medical treatment of Michael.”
    – You either know or you don’t. And how did AEG arrive at the idea to hire an anesthesiologist? Lucky guess or is he shading Gongaware here? Oh I forgot, too inflammatory to talk about.

    “Michael referred to AEG as ‘snakes’and said they were too intrusive in his personal affairs “.
    – How intrusive were they? To the point that they ordered ‘doctor’ to take care of his schedule and /or warned Murray that they were paying him to get Michael to rehearsals?

    “But Ortega was not astute enough to recognise how much pain he was causin’ Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitude and whose mettle (sic) had become exceedingly listless” – Was not CM his doctor in control of everything, including his schedule, and responsible for his health and well being ,for 150 K ?

    “Finally, I like to say dis’ message is just a single ray or monofilament of light into the secret life of a man, my friend, and one whose sufferin’ and pain I still hold “.
    – What a megalomaniac.

    “But one day soon I’ll share wit’ you the full spectrum of light and the kaleidoscope of events that coloured a wretched past “
    – So he just proclaimed himself chronicler of Michael s life.

    Maybe CM should be reminded that he is a convicted felon and that the one on trial here is AEG and not all the people Michael allegedly hated .

    But somehow it is also a blessing in disguise that he voluntarily records and puts out all these messages. He can absolve AEG all he wants but how does he explain their search for another anesthesiologist. Or what he said about them in his ‘documentary’. Together with the testimonies, emails , contracts and other documents it makes an interesting study of Michaels last months in life. Hopefully Dileo’s computer files will also have something to add.

    Murray must be a nightmare for his attorney / AEG connection . First his “documentary “ in which he bluntly accuses AEG of intervention , ( “he will be on skidrow, he has zero”) Unfortunately not allowed in court, and now his voicemail ‘sequal’ with cliffhanger and all . Maybe the fight between Wass and her former lover Flanagan also had to do with CM behaving like a loose cannon. In the documentary he accuses his lawyers of bad representation. Was Wass already part of the legal team or was she just a part of Flanagan ?

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  17. alice permalink
    August 25, 2013 10:14 am

    ps, a random thought…I wonder if Murray will ever try to claim that he was actually performing an assisted suicide?
    -alice

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  18. alice permalink
    August 25, 2013 9:31 am

    Hi all,

    Here is my transcription of Conrad Murray’s audio bile. It’s a little hard to make him out in the middle of the piece (to be honest it sounds like he’s on something) but I did my best. I’ve also included appropriate grammar and punctuation to reflect his speech patterns – like where letters have been dropped, etc. (i.e. you’ll note the word ‘being’ loses the ‘g’) and where he breaks mid-sentence with a hyphen. Where I have guessed a word to the best of my ability, I have included a (sic) after it. My own personal notes are interspersed as sparingly as possible (indicated by ‘note:’). I did want to reference these using notation or asterisks to put further down my post for the sake of clarity but there became too many, I would have ended up with like, ten asterisks in a row. So I’m sorry that, as they currently read, they interrupt the flow of text somewhat. I will include a second, cleaner version of the transcript, without most of my personal notes, directly below this first version. Some of my notes were necessary to be included, however, to explain my choice of ‘sic’ words and corrections I wanted to note, plus any changes or lack of changes I made to what he said. Others are my own comments, but they are very spare. Without further ado, here is the first version.

    -BEGINS-

    “Number one: I was initially offered the position of bein’ the personal physician of Michael Jackson and his three children by Michael himself.

    Number two: I later learned from Michael that AEG was involved in the hiring process and they wanted to hire a less expensive doctor. Michael also told me the head (sic) of anaesthesiology of Cedars-Sinai (sic) Hospital (note: he says hospital but on Wikipedia it’s actually a Medical Center, which I discovered because I also had to look up all hospitals in Los Angeles to try and phonetically identify which one he was talking about in the case of Cedars-Sinai because of the difficulty I had understanding the way he speaks) in Los Angeles agreed with AEG to take the job for $40,000 per month. For reasons that are too inflammatory to discuss at this time, Michael refused the inducement and the offer.

    Number three: Both AEG and Michael Jackson were my joint employers.

    Number four: Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself, were requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael, nor AEG. (note: this is a contradiction in itself, he previously specified requests to treatment were of Michael, then says he took no requests from Michael? What?) And AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatment. They, justly, should be absolved of this accusation.

    Number six: (note: yes, he has already missed number five, and I am not going to correct him because he’s a fool) Michael was besieged (sic? I can’t make out if he’s saying ‘beseeched’ or ‘besieged’, so I went with the latter because it makes more sense contextually, & I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt) with all of – all types of pressure. The return of the Jackson 5, for example, a pay-per-view program (sic). He did his best to avoid signing this. He was under tremendous pressure from this family to do so. He was afraid (sic) his family was going to kill him (note: the emphasis on the word ‘kill’ seems especially weird, as though designed to immediately make us think of when Prince testified Michael getting off the phone to AEG saying ‘they’ll kill me’) if he did not sign this. But he did not want to be part of the Jackson 5. That, according to Michael, was a thing of the past. He had moved on, he was ‘Michael Jackson’ by himself. The demands of that contract was very, very severe and harmful to Michael. This is the Jackson – (note: he follows with another word starting with ‘j’ that I found unintelligible here, I cannot decipher it). His Papa Bear – and nickname – ordered and demanded $1,000,000 paid to him in contract. His Mama Bear also demanded $1,000,000 for herself. Each of the Brother Bears needed $500,000. Each. Michael did not have that money. And he was in an abysmally deepening trough from soaring loans from AEG which exceeded $40,000,000 at that time.

    Number seven: To the best of my knowledge AEG was not aware of my medical treatment of Michael. Michael referred to AEG as ‘snakes’ and said they were too intrusive in his personal affairs. He asked – he asked me to stay clear of his manager Frank Dileo, whom he did not trust.

    Number seven: (note: yes, the second time he says seven, and again I am not going to correct him because he’s a fool) From Michael’s lips to my ear, no single individual admitted (sic? I think it might be a different word, maybe ‘inflicted’? but I can’t hear a ‘ck’ sound so I’m hesitant) as much pressure on him as Kenny Ortega, the co – the co-producer of the This Is It tour. He hated Ortega. (note: that contradicts Michael’s own words in the documentary) But Ortega was not astute enough to recognise how much pain he was causin’ Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitude and whose mettle (sic) had become exceedingly listless. I may have displayed an acrimonious tone when I told Ortega to leave the doctorin’ to me. But I certainly was not caustic. I was merely tryin’ to protect Michael from his assailant (note: what a ridiculous, hyperbolic word to use here) Kenny Ortega.

    Finally, I like to say dis’ message is just a single ray or monofilament of light into the secret life of a man, my friend, and one whose sufferin’ and pain I still hold. But one day soon I’ll share wit’ you the full spectrum of light and the kaleidoscope of events that coloured a wretched past. Now you’ve heard the message the rest is entirely up to you. Be just, and stay (sic? I think the following word could be ‘safe’ but it sounds like there is another ‘st’ sound so I cannot say for sure), my friends. Doctor Murray.”

    -ENDS-

    And the clean version below (with most of my notes removed):

    -BEGINS-

    “Number one: I was initially offered the position of bein’ the personal physician of Michael Jackson and his three children by Michael himself.

    Number two: I later learned from Michael that AEG was involved in the hiring process and they wanted to hire a less expensive doctor. Michael also told me the head (sic) of anaesthesiology of Cedars-Sinai (sic) Hospital (note: he says hospital but it’s actually a Medical Center) in Los Angeles agreed with AEG to take the job for $40,000 per month. For reasons that are too inflammatory to discuss at this time, Michael refused the inducement and the offer.

    Number three: Both AEG and Michael Jackson were my joint employers.

    Number four: Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself, were requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael, nor AEG. And AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatment. They, justly, should be absolved of this accusation.

    Number six: Michael was besieged (sic? I can’t make out if he’s saying ‘beseeched’ or ‘besieged’, so I went with the latter because it makes more sense contextually, & I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt) with all of – all types of pressure. The return of the Jackson 5, for example, a pay-per-view program (sic). He did his best to avoid signing this. He was under tremendous pressure from this family to do so. He was afraid (sic) his family was going to kill him if he did not sign this. But he did not want to be part of the Jackson 5. That, according to Michael, was a thing of the past. He had moved on, he was ‘Michael Jackson’ by himself. The demands of that contract was very, very severe and harmful to Michael. This is the Jackson – (sic? note: he follows with another word starting with ‘j’ that I found unintelligible here, I cannot decipher it). His Papa Bear – and nickname – ordered and demanded $1,000,000 paid to him in contract. His Mama Bear also demanded $1,000,000 for herself. Each of the Brother Bears needed $500,000. Each. Michael did not have that money. And he was in an abysmally deepening trough from soaring loans from AEG which exceeded $40,000,000 at that time.

    Number seven: To the best of my knowledge AEG was not aware of my medical treatment of Michael. Michael referred to AEG as ‘snakes’ and said they were too intrusive in his personal affairs. He asked – he asked me to stay clear of his manager Frank Dileo, whom he did not trust.

    Number seven: From Michael’s lips to my ear, no single individual admitted (sic? note: I think it might be a different word, maybe ‘inflicted’? but I can’t hear a ‘ck’ sound so I’m hesitant) as much pressure on him as Kenny Ortega, the co – the co-producer of the This Is It tour. He hated Ortega. But Ortega was not astute enough to recognise how much pain he was causin’ Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitude and whose mettle (sic) had become exceedingly listless. I may have displayed an acrimonious tone when I told Ortega to leave the doctorin’ to me. But I certainly was not caustic. I was merely tryin’ to protect Michael from his assailant Kenny Ortega.

    Finally, I like to say dis’ message is just a single ray or monofilament of light into the secret life of a man, my friend, and one whose sufferin’ and pain I still hold. But one day soon I’ll share wit’ you the full spectrum of light and the kaleidoscope of events that coloured a wretched past. Now you’ve heard the message the rest is entirely up to you. Be just, and stay (sic? note: I think the following word could be ‘safe’ but it sounds like there is another ‘st’ sound so I cannot say for sure), my friends. Doctor Murray.”

    -ENDS-

    Hope this is okay Helena, let me know if you need me to clarify or re-listen to certain parts. Feel free to format it a little better to your liking also, if you think it will help for the purposes of determining and differentiating between Murray’s words and mine (perhaps in bold or italics?). Thankyou.
    -alice

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  19. alice permalink
    August 25, 2013 8:08 am

    Hey Helena!

    Absolutely, I will be happy to get onto transcribing Murray’s garbage very soon – I am in the midst of re-watching Day 5 of his trial at the moment so will move onto this as soon as I am finished that section (and once his defence lawyers cease making total idiots of themselves.)

    RE:
    “How does MJ’s request for propofol acquit AEG of its guilt for harassing Michael to his death?”

    It doesn’t. And I don’t for a minute think it does. I just wanted to clarify everything he was saying in light of how, contrary to his claims, what he says and what AEG are trying to say does not implicate Michael but instead only casts more light on how much he was failed not only those in the medical field but how much this failure stood to be exacerbated by undue pressure and cruelty by those in the business and executive fields around him also. But trying to prove and establish that Michael had a dependency on a variety of medications is the only concrete strategy AEG attorneys feel they can fall back on in order to somehow absolve their clients; we know from the outset that they desperately want the judge to include the question (or something to the effect of) “How much of a role do you believe Michael Jackson had in his own death” in the jury’s instructions as they reach their own individual verdicts. This is something the judge will consider including consequent to the conclusion of both cases being presented. So we are yet to know her ruling on whether this will be included. Essentially, AEG attorneys are throwing most of their eggs into this basket in the hope she will include it. They hope that by somehow ‘proving’ that Michael was responsible for his death (rubbish in and of itself, Jackson attorney Boyle even got one of AEG’s addiction experts to admit in deposition that he would not blame Michael for an addiction) it will absolve some of the responsibility for AEG.

    All lies, of course. Because it is the fraudulent contracts (for both Murray and Michael), the inhumane schedule set, the cruel and disrespectful and abusive treatment, the undue pressure and potentially criminal efforts to secure either insurance or assets upon Michael’s death, illness, and/or inability to perform that AEG and others must be held accountable for. If it is somehow deemed relevant how much of a ‘role’ Michael had in his own death, then maybe AEG attorneys should also allow Jackson attorneys to start delving into the circumstances I highlighted above and let the question be asked and answered; WHY was this supposed drug/propofol/whatever dependency enhanced at this time of Michael’s life when, before meeting Tom Barack and before meeting Tohme and before Gongaware and Philips and everybody else in this nasty business came back into Michael’s life for their own gain, Michael had been so happy and so healthy and so involved in his life, in his work, in his family? Answering those questions is what, I feel, must be done to both rebut AEG’s corrupt nonsense and the other lies at large in all of this.

    Will have the transcription for you shortly🙂
    Hope you and everyone else is well.
    -alice

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  20. August 25, 2013 4:11 am

    I agree with you, alice, regarding the Murray audio message. But I also think that in case this gets into court, plaintiff will do the right thing with it: Explain that Murray’s statements don’t really change much of the situation. First of all, Murray said, he was “initially” hired by Michael. But then AEG Live entered into a contract with Murray, and therefore still the conflict of interest exists, no matter if AEG knew of Murray’s treatment to Michael or not. If AEG didn’t know of the propofol treatment, which I always thought is possible, this doesn’t change anything regarding their negligence and Murray’s conflict of interest. Murray says in another sentence that both AEG and Michael Jackson were his joint employers. And this is what creates the conflict of interest.
    You can read everywhere that Murray’s statement about AEG not knowing the propofol treatment is CRITICAL, but to me it’s not. It doesn’t minimize their responsibility.

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  21. August 25, 2013 3:45 am

    “I can transcribe it if anyone would prefer a hard copy, too. I’m a quick typer” – Alice

    Alice, could you transcribe this bs for me please? I haven’t watched the video yet but even before watching it need to say that I am amazed by one thing. Why does everyone allow the case to transgress from AEG’s guilt to whether MJ asked for propofol or not? Why are all of you falling for AEG’s strategy?

    How does MJ’s request for propofol acquit AEG of its guilt for harassing Michael to his death?

    When a criminal keeps a person a hostage and the hostage eats whatever comes his way and dies of eating a rat for example, will everyone say – he should’t have been eating rats, it is unhealthy food, he was an adult, he should have known what he is eating?

    Or will you say that it is the criminal who kept this person a hostage who is responsible for driving him into starvation? And forced him to eat a rat because he kept him in a cell?

    Even in case there were two occasions before when the victim also starved and did eat a rat and got away with it? This time he didn’t, but does it acquit the criminal of his guilt for keeping him a hostage at all?

    AEG is intentionally misplacing focus from their own guilt onto their victim, who found himself in a desperate situation, and I urge everyone not to fall for their strategy the way you do now.

    P.S. If we go on with the analogy Murray here is someone who says to the prisoner that is is okay to eat rats and even provides him with one.

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  22. alice permalink
    August 24, 2013 11:46 pm

    My pleasure, Sina. I definitely think if negligence and fraud – perhaps even conspiracy – can be added to the case then Katherine & the children are in with a good chance.

    Here are Karen Faye’s latest tweets on Murray’s latest bleatings:

    Karen Faye ‏@wingheart 23 Aug
    So CM is singing again??? LOL. His song is so obvious.

    Karen Faye ‏@wingheart 23 Aug
    Since when is TMZ and CM credible? Harvey should hire CM for a commentator for his show when he gets out.

    I had also considered addressing all the recent hubbub about Paris this week but something about it seems fishy. The sudden ‘leaked’ photos and mass-produced media release of ‘she’s fine she’s fine nothing to see here’ is a bit too convenient for my liking. The fact it all suddenly erupted soon after her uncle Randy questioned how long she had been away for is also peculiar. I don’t want to place blame anywhere, and also I don’t want to address something that is so widely and similarly reported that it loses credibility. Plus I only want the best for Paris and I feel the less the unconfirmed media noise is spread about her, the better. For her sake. I just think the situation is suspicious, but I hope she is well.
    -alice

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  23. August 24, 2013 10:16 pm

    Thank you for the video Alice. Not even a word spoken by CM can be trusted. Only if we could get all our answers from MJ himself! I feel that AEG is going to lose this case for sure.

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  24. August 24, 2013 9:51 pm

    Thanks Sina for your inputs on the matter.

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  25. August 24, 2013 9:50 pm

    Thanks Helena for your inputs.

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  26. alice permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:03 pm

    Hey everyone,

    Just off topic for a bit but Conrad Murray has emerged from his hole to make this audio recording. TeamMJ have uploaded a version to their own youtube account. I didn’t want to link to TMZ’s version because they don’t deserve the hits or money for endorsing Murray, in my opinion. TeamMJ have also added text at the end of their version about their thoughts on it, specifically about how they have witnessed AEG attorney Sabrina Strong ushering Murray’s lawyer Wass over to sit with her during the current trial (which TeamMJ, as we know, attend every day).

    I’ll embed the video below. Make of it what you will.

    Note: I know some don’t have a good view of Kenny Ortega, and I do have a few issues with the way in which later parts of his testimony were enacted, but I still have a big problem with the moment when Murray says Michael ‘hated’ Kenny. If Michael hated him, why on earth would he specifically ask to work with him again for the tour following their work in the past? I do agree he was placing pressure on Michael. But I do not believe it was a pressure of ill will, disrespect or for interests that were not aligned with Michael’s in regards to the show. I find it bizarre that out of AEG (who Murray says Michael called ‘snakes’ and did not trust) that it would be Kenny who Michael ‘hated’ more?

    Also, my first impression of all the rubbish at the beginning about how Katherine wanted a million dollars from Michael and everyone else wanted $500,00 for the Jackson 5 concert was that it was only included as a distraction. He leads in with saying how much pressure Michael was under and then launches into blaming the family and Michael’s mother instead of the tour?

    I won’t bother mentioning that even though he starts off by numbering each of his ‘points’, he ends up repeating ‘number seven’ at least twice. Hello, Mr Credibility. Nor will I bother mentioning the notion that the whole thing sounds like a teaser for this ‘book’. These both speak for themselves.

    Further note: At present I feel the most crucial thing, and something that I fear will be missed by the jury & public, is that even if Michael -did- seek out someone to provide him with Propofol or anaesthesia it was because he desperately needed sleep and past doctors had introduced this approach to him as a viable one. He trusted doctors, therefore he trusted the procedure. The blame still falls on Murray or whichever medical practitioner administered these anaesthetics to Michael for the purpose of sleep. No matter how often he asked for it, he should have been denied its use.

    But the doctor should dictate the care, not the patient. In this, Murray failed the basic premise of his role to a patient. We heard in anaesthesiologist Dr David Adams testimony about how ‘upset’ Murray was before Michael asked Adams to come on tour with him. If this was because Michael was going to ask Adams to treat him with anaesthesia, and this was something Murray felt badly about, WHY DID HE STILL DO IT HIMSELF?

    Ugh. The mind boggles.

    The real point of denying the anaesthesia should have been explained to Michael in full – beyond the ‘it’s dangerous you can’t do it all the time’ stuff he was told by the German doctors (and Debbie) years ago. Did anyone ever explain to Michael that – beyond it being ‘dangerous’ – it was not actually giving him REM? He was not actually experiencing true sleep? And that, if done for an extended period of time, the use of these anaesthetics would kill him? All we know is that people had told him he couldn’t do it for a long period of time. And that was only Debbie we have heard testify to saying that. But did anyone explain the basic principle of anaesthesia’s inappropriateness in the situation to Michael? That it wasn’t allowing real sleep? That it was, in fact, the same as him staying awake the entire night anyway?

    My concern is that the public and jury will only interpret these big ‘reveals’ by Murray and also by anaesthesiologist Dr David Adams about Michael requesting anaesthesia as somehow a negative indicator of Michael’s character. But it’s not. Particularly in the case of Adams’ testimony, it only further goes to show that despite Michael’s requests, Murray remained on as his physician. It only enhances his negligence, and the fact that Michael had been allowed to continue perceiving anaesthesia as providing real sleep. Murray did nothing to stop its use or to correct Michael.

    And even Adams, an anaesthesiologist, should have been immensely suspicious that a request to come on tour with Michael to ‘help him sleep’ (in front of Murray) probably did not mean fluffing Michael’s pillows or making him a cup of cocoa before bed. No. Even though Adams did not end up going on tour (he asked for $100,000 a month on a 3 year contract to close his practice down), by accepting Michael’s offer via Murray he still failed Michael and failed his own role and responsibilities to all patients by not questioning further. By not ascertaining what kind of ‘help’ this would be. Or, if an acceptable answer were not offered, to judge that the fact he is an anaesthesiologist probably has something to do with it and to subsequently correct Michael that this path is not one for true sleep. And then he should have denied the request outright. Not asked for money and accepted the position.

    If you are a doctor, it should not matter who your patient is outside of your office.

    If Michael Jackson asks you for anaesthesia to help him sleep, you say NO. And you explain why.

    If Michael Jackson asks you for morphine so he can treat emotional pain, you say NO. And you explain why.

    If Michael Jackson asks you to inject speed or met-amphetamines into his ankles so he can ‘dance faster’, you say NO. And you explain why.

    Then if Michael does not accept your reasoning, you STILL say you will not give him this treatment. Offer an alternative.

    Because none of these things will work in the literal, medical sense. Their layperson meanings are in no way an indication of their capabilities.

    This should have been the modus operandi for every doctor who ever treated Michael. For every doctor who ever treats any person.

    Because a patient is not a doctor. The doctor is the one who has a duty of care. The doctor should not be influenced by the person sitting in their chair because of who they are. Everyone is entitled to the best care, the best explanation of the care, and unbiased reasoning. And this is where so many doctors failed Michael.

    No matter which way Murray or AEG likes to paint it, no matter how much he and they ‘reveal’ about some supposed ‘addiction’ to anaesthesia, it should NOT erase the very reasoning behind Michael’s requests for such treatment. Because he was under pressure, because the schedule set for him was inhumane and because those around him at an executive level had carefully planned all the circumstances to benefit anyone but Michael in the event that anything were to go wrong with him. Because he could not sleep. And because the people he trusted, and should have been able to trust, failed him.

    Anyway, I digress. The video is below. Love to hear everyone’s thoughts. I can transcribe it if anyone would prefer a hard copy, too. I’m a quick typer🙂

    -alice

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  27. August 24, 2013 5:43 pm

    “That is what I meant that you can bring up whatever you THINK. I never questioned your research and documentation in general. I highly appreciate your work and I mean it. But the way you put it sounds like a threat to me : If you dont do this anymore , I will try not to do that . Feel free to write whatever you think about Joe Jackson and don’t hold back on the assumption that I will terribly dislike what you think.” – Sina

    A threat? Then you don’t know me. I never threaten anyone. The above is my way of asking you not to make me write about the subjects about which I do not want to write on my own. If you look up some 300 posts in this blog you won’t find a single one written in the accusation of MJ’s family (though there are two analysing some of their decisions).

    Other people criticised me for the non-accusatory approach saying “Why don’t you write what you think about this person?”. But the irony of the situation is that though you say that I am perfectly free to write what I think about certain personalities, I never do it except some spontaneous exclamations in the comments and this only happens when something really outrageous happens.

    The reason is because I don’t fight people but fight ideas, and as to people I know perfectly well that what they are thinking today may change tomorrow. All people are made of good and bad and it is within their power to shift it in both directions. And I am even afraid to make a mistake by passing judgment on someone who may have changed for the better. Probably even Joe has softened with time and is a different person now, at least he seems to.

    But for the same reason I don’t like it when people nail down others and don’t allow me to say a single good word about someone whom they consider the worst villains on the planet. We had it numerous times here because I had the cheek to go against the tide and support Klein, Aaron Carter, Frank Cascio, Blanca and Pellicano when they were in the midst of the respective scandals. Also Karen Faye and now Debbie Rowe to a less extent. And each time I am accused of “attacking” others though all I ask people to do is cool their heads, really look into the circumstances and not to pass quick judgment on these people, especially since many of them are slandered by the media on purpose.

    I absolutely refuse to campaign against these people because each of them did something good to Michael. Even Klein, who never said that Michael asked him for Demerol and always said that this was the drug of his choice only, thus drawing all fire against himself. Compare it with a certain Stephen Gordon who is now testifying for AEG and you will see the big difference between the two.

    In short all I ask of people here is to be fair.

    * * *
    As to the article about propofol induced sleep, it was first introduced by Dr. White at Murray’s trial. The study was made sometime in 2010, after Michael’s death which probably triggered off the research.

    Now this study is being supported by other sources:

    Novel Use of an Anesthetic to Reset Sleep Rhythms
    Propofol is a rapid, short acting anesthetic that is often administered intravenously for the induction and maintenance of anesthesia.
    Electroencephalography (or EEG, a technique that measures the brain’s electrical activity) confirms that there are distinct differences between sleep and sedation. Anesthetic agents (e.g., propofol) can induce activity in areas of the brain important for regulating sleep, particularly in people with insomnia (Xu 2011).
    Clinical trial subjects receiving a two-hour infusion of propofol for five consecutive nights showed improvement in sleep onset latency (i.e., amount of time needed to fall asleep), quality of sleep, ease of waking up, and behavior after awakening. These improvements persisted for six months, suggesting that the benefits of propofol could continue long after the initial treatment. In addition, the subjects showing no response to traditional agents such as zopiclone or zolpidem before study treatment were able to effectively use them on occasion after treatment, suggesting that propofol restored the brain’s response to conventional sleep aids (Xu 2011). The study showed that using propofol for a short period of time (at the same time each night) could help reset the body’s natural circadian rhythm, providing long-term benefits for people with chronic refractory insomnia.
    Life Extension is funding a propofol sleep study, but there are no sleep centers currently offering propofol, which requires strict medical vigilance and adherence to safety protocols to avoid dying of a propofol overdose as Michael Jackson did. The therapeutic use of propofol, administered under carefully controlled clinical conditions, is separate and distinct from the irresponsible use of propofol by incompetent healthcare personnel without adequate cardiopulmonary monitoring.
    http://www.lef.org/protocols/lifestyle_longevity/insomnia_06.htm

    and partially here:

    Propofol Anesthesia and Sleep: A High-Density EEG Study

    “..several studies in rats have suggested that propofol anesthesia modulates and is modulated by the same processes that drive normal sleep homeostasis. These studies have established that sleep debt does not accrue during prolonged anesthesia, that anesthesia following sleep deprivation alleviates the need for subsequent recovery sleep, and that sleep deprivation potentiates the effectiveness of propofol anesthesia.

    …In addition to these similarities, our research also highlights several differences between sleep and anesthesia…Taken together, these results suggest that memory consolidation may be altered during prolonged propofol anesthesia compared to natural sleep.” http://www.coma.ulg.ac.be/papers/vs/murphy_propofol.pdf

    I think we are only at the beginning of serious research in this respect.

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  28. Sina permalink
    August 24, 2013 3:03 pm

    “But this is exactly why I cannot understand why I am expected to question inconsistent behavior of Debbie Rowe”

    Helena, I said that to tell a court that a man is a sociopath and a bad parent can be questioned in the light of what he was accused of at the time and what was said on different occasions . But I do not expect you personally to do the same, you obviously don’t.

    “And IF you don’t bring the subject of Joe any more I will try not to write what I THINK about him. Because if I do, I am afraid you will terribly dislike what I’ll say.”

    That is what I meant that you can bring up whatever you THINK. I never questioned your research and documentation in general. I highly appreciate your work and I mean it .
    But the way you put it sounds like a threat to me : If you dont do this anymore , I will try not to do that . Feel free to write whatever you think about Joe Jackson and don’t hold back on the assumption that I will terribly dislike what you think. The worst things have been said about the entire Jackson family even about innocent children. So your thoughts on Joe Jackson will be the least shocking to me.And they will definitely not make me back off on my opinion as I do expect anyone to be capable to handle any subject even if we disagree. We learn most from conflicting opinions. At least I do.

    On a different note, thanks for the article on the study of propofol-induced sleep. Did they mention it in the Murray trial because I had not heard of it and the results seem interesting .Maybe something like this in a very controlled situation could have helped Michael PRIOR to going on tour. But the problem rose while he was already on tour and had to fulfill his obligations. The situation with AEGs This is it is different in the way that Michael was cheated not only in the number of shows, but also with the contract and his earnings . I hope that negligence will be added to the charges. That is even more fitting than negligently hiring a quack who proves over and over again that his conscience is missing.

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  29. Carole Tia permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:34 pm

    On Debbie Row I can understand if Michael felt betrayed by her asking for her parental rights back when he was being accused of such horrible things.
    The prosecutor thought they had the best whitness against Michael but she ended up being the best whitness for the defence. She was there to protect and defend Michael (TM) and she is still doing it with AEG..

    I have disliked her for very long time but I do have respect for her now.
    She definitely Love Michael very much.

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  30. August 24, 2013 12:17 pm

    “It was not me but you who brought up Joe and jumped to conclusions as to why Debbie was doing to Michael what she did. I don’t mind or care , you can bring up whatever dirt you want because its your blog and prerogative and seems your MO whenever you disagree with someone. I can also bring up, not hearsay or chopped quotes to prove what I said, but court transcripts, interviews and statements directly from the horses mouth to back up what I am saying. But then it will be never ending and that was not the point I was making.” – Sina

    Sina, you sound like I am bringing up whatever dirt I want (without any proof for what I say?) while you have court transcripts, etc. to back up what you are saying. Given that everything I say is based solely on documents and when I make an assumption I clearly state that it is only an assumption, the differentiation you are making here between us is unfair.

    And no matter how hard I try I cannot grasp what point you are making. Can you explain?

    “Just like Debbie is the kids mother, Joe is Michaels father and 8 others’ I am very critical as I am to everuone who caused trouble for Michael. But as far as parenting it is only the children’s prerogative, not ours, to measure up their parents whether they were good parents , bad parents or did the best they could given the circumstances. Only time will tell.”

    But EVERYONE caused trouble for Michael with the exception of his mother and his children – that’s the point. So out of all the people who did trouble to Michael I single out and handle here only those in whose hands he actually died. These are the people who I cannot come to terms with, while with all the rest I think I can, especially since I have no right to really pass judgment on any of them. As you say time will tell and as far as parenting only children should measure up their parents.

    But this is exactly why I cannot understand why I am expected to question inconsistent behavior of Debbie Rowe. And why I need to explain, for example, why she wanted to auction her wedding ring and what’s so awful about it. What if she simply needed money? I know that it wasn’t your question but it does not matter.

    I have my own impression of Debbie and stated it here – in my opinion she is too rough and all her (and Michael’s problems with her) stem from her character, but apart from that I don’t see some outrageous malice in what she did. Even when she asked for her parental rights back. She wasn’t taking away the children from Michael – she simply wanted her rights back.

    And the fact that she did it when she heard that MJ could be arrested explains it all. She didn’t want her children to be left without any parent – this is what she was most probably afraid of. It is an assumption of course but a rather substantiated one because Debbie loved Michael very much and still loves him. And helped him during the trial.

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  31. Sina permalink
    August 24, 2013 11:31 am

    “And I am not writing about Joe though I remember perfectly well how he oiled Michael’s body, hang him on a rope and whipped him when he was a child. And if you don’t bring the subject of Joe any more I will try not to write what I really think about him. Because if I do, I am afraid you will terribly dislike what I’ll say.- Helena

    “She was afraid that the children would get into the hands of someone like Joe Jackson, for example, who would raise them in hate towards their mother and in his own system of values, so different from hers or even Michael’s, not to mention Joe’s methods.”

    It was not me but you who brought up Joe and jumped to conclusions as to why Debbie was doing to Michael what she did. I don’t mind or care , you can bring up whatever dirt you want because its your blog and prerogative and seems your MO whenever you disagree with someone. I can also bring up, not hearsay or chopped quotes to prove what I said, but court transcripts, interviews and statements directly from the horses mouth to back up what I am saying. But then it will be never ending and that was not the point I was making.

    “And Debbie is not ideal either, but what I absolutely don’t understand is why I am allowed and even expected to question her, but am not allowed to do the same about Randy and Joe. After all Debbie is the children’s mother, and though she did stay away from their upbringing I will never believe that she didn’t care – all her sobbing at the trial shows that she cares very much.”

    I wouldn’t dare to tell you what you are allowed to or not. You have never been shy to state your opinion. I just reacted to what you assume without letting proof get in the way. I know exactly what Michaels relationship was with his father. I ’grew up’ with Michael and his family and I will never deny the effect it had on Michael. But that does not mean I cannot challenge other people who also caused trouble for Michael. Sobbing can be for all kind of emotions also from regret and guilt.

    Just like Debbie is the kids mother, Joe is Michaels father and 8 others’ I am very critical as I am to everuone who caused trouble for Michael. But as far as parenting it is only the children’s prerogative, not ours, to measure up their parents whether they were good parents , bad parents or did the best they could given the circumstances. Only time will tell.

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  32. August 24, 2013 11:11 am

    “It is not true that Michael didnt sleep at all. Nurse Lee observed him and said he did sleep, maybe 3 hours and then was wide awake. so it was not restorative. And there in lies the problem when your job is as physical as Michaels. As an insomniac Michael knew his limitations and would definately be able to do 10 shows , but also that more shows in the timespan would be killing” – Sina

    Over here I fully agree. Michael could perfectly survive with the shreds of sleep he had when he was not performing, and when there was no stress could probably even sleep more than 3 hours, so the first 10 shows were no problem for him.

    But when it came to 50 and every other day too, this was when AEG decided his fate. This brought about so enormous a stress that he lost his sleep altogether. Figuratively speaking AEG killed him already in March and not three months later.

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  33. August 24, 2013 10:13 am

    “That said treating insomnia with anaestatics is outrageous. There are no studies of humans under such a condition other than patients with life threatening diseases for the simple reason that intentionally putting someone in a daily coma as a remedy that is not even helpfull , is too unethical and experimental to even consider.” – Sina

    There are studies of humans being treated for insomnia by Propofol. The study was made in China, on 103 patients and their conclusion is that a 5 day treatment by propofol is improving sleep for the next 6 months. I know that it goes against what Dr. Cheizler said, but science is like this – there are different schools of thought and unless the exhaustive study is made there are no definitive conclusions:

    Propofol-induced sleep: efficacy and safety in patients with refractory chronic primary insomnia.
    Xu Z, Jiang X, Li W, Gao D, Li X, Liu J.
    Source
    Department of Neurology, Daping Hospital, Research Institute of Surgery, Third Military Medical University, Changjiang Branch Road # 10, Chongqing 400042, People’s Republic of China.
    Abstract
    Insomnia, defined as difficulty in falling asleep and/or staying asleep, short sleep duration, or poor quality sleep, is a common sleep disorder affecting 30-40% of adult population. We have conducted a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study to test if anesthesia is therapeutically beneficial in patients with refractory chronic primary insomnia. We have assessed the efficacy and safety of propofol-induced sleep in these patients. This study comprised of 103 patients with refractory chronic primary insomnia (including 59 non-pregnant, non-lactating women; 28-60 years) and the participants were randomized to receive either physiological saline (placebo) (n = 39) or 3.0 g/l propofol (n = 64) in a 2-h continuous intravenous infusion for five consecutive nights. The Leeds Sleep Evaluation Questionnaire was used for the subjective assessment of sleep, and polysomnography was used for the objective measurement of sleep architecture and patterns. The assessments were done prior to and at the end of the 5-day treatment and 6 months after treatment period. The adverse effects of the treatment were also recorded. A 2-h continuous intravenous infusion of 3.0 g/l propofol for five consecutive nights improved the subjective and objective assessments of sleep in 64 patients with refractory chronic primary insomnia. This improvement occurred immediately after the therapy and persisted for 6 months. No serious adverse events were noticed during the period of drug administration or 6 months after the treatment. Propofol therapy is an efficacious and safe choice for restoring normal sleep in patients with refractory chronic primary insomnia.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21107748

    “Suparna you are absolutely right to question Debbie Rowes inconsistent behavior towards Michael…. Michael would not have preferred his old mother and a woman with no connection to the kids as their guardian.. Knowing very well that through Katherine they would be in contact with Joe. Whatever we outsiders say, assume or think, in the end its not us but the children who will be the ones to judge their parents , be it Joe and Katherines nine children or Prince and Paris.”

    Sina, whenever you raise the subject of Debbie, Randy Jackson and Joe Jackson I always feel that my only choice is overwhelming approval of Randy and Joe, and total unacceptance of someone like Debbie. This is what I personally feel from your statements – questioning Randy or Joe is unacceptable, while questioning Debbie is okay.

    I’m trying as hard as I can to be objective and have not even written a post about Randy’s deposition though wanted to. Just decided to give him all the benefit of the doubt I only can. I know that he loved Michael very much and cared for him and brought Thomas Mesereau to defend him at the trial, but he himself often made huge mistakes as regards Michael. So one thing balanced the other, and I refrained from any judgments.

    And I am not writing about Joe though I remember perfectly well how he oiled Michael’s body, hang him on a rope and whipped him when he was a child. And if you don’t bring the subject of Joe any more I will try not to write what I think about him. Because if I do, I am afraid you will terribly dislike what I’ll say.

    And Debbie is not ideal either, but what I absolutely don’t understand is why I am allowed and even expected to question her, but am not allowed to do the same about Randy and Joe. After all Debbie is the children’s mother, and though she did stay away from their upbringing I will never believe that she didn’t care – all her sobbing at the trial shows that she cares very much.

    And she did care when Michael was alive, only then she was absolutely sure that in Michael’s hands they would get the most and best care they only could. So much love and care that it would compensate for all her staying beside them. And she was right.

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  34. Sina permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:39 am

    Insomnia is a serious condition that if not managed well can even result in psychosis. I have an average sleep of 4-5 hrs , had sleeptests ,medications, with awful side effects therapy. But you learn to accept that that is your sleeppattern and because there is in my case a genetic component that is hard to manage unless you take strong medication. You learn to be selective with your energy and priorities .

    There are incidents of people who died acutely because of exhaustion, due to sleep deprevation but those are incidents and not the same as the deteriorating condition of a chronic insomniac
    Every study of insomnia shows that there is always some sort of sleep because eventually your brain will shut down automatically ,out of mere exhaustion. There is as far as I know only one casestudy of a man who didnt sleep at all and died as a result.
    It is not true that Michael didnt sleep at all. Nurse Lee observed him and said he did sleep, maybe 3 hours and then was wide awake. so it was not restorative. And there in lies the problem when your job is as physical as Michaels .
    As an insomniac Michael knew his limitations and would definately be able to do 10 shows , but also that more shows in the timespan would be killing .Everyone around him knew it. There are records of Karen Faye and KJ who both said right away that the AEG schedule would not work for him. The stress also came because he had other interests than just performing that were promised but not met. There is an interesting part in Sullivans book about Michaels film ambition and Dileos failed efforts following AEGs promises.

    That said treating insomnia with anaestatics is outrageous. It is not a remedy because it does not give restorative sleep, makes you into a patient at the mercy of those who are administering it instead of someone with a manageable condition, in control of his own treatment. It is something completely different if you need a medical procedure which are tightly scheduled and effective to keep unconsciousness to a minimum .Than having it on a daily basis for 8 hours just to be unconscious .

    There are no studies of humans under such a condition other than patients with life threatening diseases for the simple reason that intentionally putting someone in a daily coma as a remedy that is not even helpfull , is too unethical and experimental to even consider. Anyone who treated Michael with anesthetics for sleep, initiated it or contributed to it should check their conscience and ask if it they would have subjected themselves to such a treatment if they had this condition. I appreciate Karen Faye for refusing to have anything to do with it. Michael deserved better treatment than quick fits, only to be able to perform.

    Suparna you are absolutely right to question Debbie Rowes inconsistent behavior towards Michael. These are things I and most fans will remember very well from that time. Not only did she fought Michael when he was at his lowest. In her deposition she called him a sociopath, questioned his parental ability giving ammunition to those who wanted to take his children away , even used by Sneddon in the trial against him. I think that is why even after her positive testimony (which was the truth and no favour) and contribution to the rebuttal , Michael became so bitter with her , never looked back and kept the children away from her.

    “She was afraid that the children would get into the hands of someone like Joe Jackson, for example, who would raise them in hate towards their mother and in his own system of values, so different from hers or even Michael’s, not to mention Joe’s methods.” – Helena.

    This is an assumption of which you have no evidence. And if it ever was a real concern of hers, it flew out of the window, the moment the case was settled financially.
    And quite the opposite , unlike Debbies public bashing of the Jacksons I never heard anyone in the Jackson family ever said anything bad about her, or anything at all for that matter. A matter of values maybe?
    Anyway Michael obviously didn’t think highly of her value system also or else he would not have preferred his old mother and a woman with no connection to the kids as their guardian.. Knowing very well that through Katherine they would be in contact with Joe.
    I do not necessarily condone that Michael kept the children away from her, I think they could have solved it better for the kids sake. But on the other hand I see why he could appreciate her as a friend, but not as a parent . Which she herself never failed to confirm on each and every occasion she spoke about the kids in public.
    Whatever we outsiders say, assume or think, in the end its not us but the children who will be the ones to judge their parents , be it Joe and Katherines nine children or Prince and Paris.

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  35. August 24, 2013 8:15 am

    “she was so rough compared to MJ who even kept on reminding her not to use bad words during her pregnancy as she is so prone to using them. That was quite funny- Debbie spoke about that herself in an interview.” – Suparna

    Yes, I remember that. And this testimony will give more examples of her roughness and her being the exact opposite of him. When Michael recorded cassettes with his voice and she put the tape recorder on her belly for the yet unborn child to listen to his voice she herself was busy reading horror books. I cannot imagine anything more contradictory than that – the father is singing a soothing lullyby to the baby and the mother is reading a horror book at the same time! And the baby gets these contradictory signals all at once!

    Q. Did he have to leave for the History tour shortly thereafter?
    A. He did.
    Q. Did he want the baby to hear his voice though every day?
    A. We had talked about — because I wanted to work. He said, “Come on tour.” I said, “No, I really need to work.” He said, “Well, I’m going to be gone.” I said, “I know that.” I said, “What I’d like you to do is make cassette recordings for me that I can play.” I said, “I’ll promise I’ll never listen to them. I think it’s important that the baby knows your voice. Since we’re not going to see each other, just do that for me.” So he made two cassettes for Prince. Every night I read before I went to sleep. So every night, while I was reading my horror books, I had a headset over my stomach so the baby could hear his voice. I don’t know. I told him, I said, “You should sing lullabies or read books or whatever just as long as the baby knows who you are.”

    Or take her strange focus on the idea that “normal people work” when she spoke to Michael – it sounds almost like an accusation to him and a totally unnecessary one because Michael did work a lot, only in a different way than Debbie:

    “When he called me — he called me from England and said, “What are you doing?” I said, “I’m working. Normal people work.” I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “Well, I’m in England.” I said, “I know. You’re in rehab.” I said, “Aren’t you supposed to be working? Aren’t you supposed to be, like, making your bed or dusting or something?” I didn’t know what they did in rehab facilities. He said, “No. I’m fine.”

    In fact in the rehab they did use some work therapy and they taught him to vacuum clean his room. I remember reading in Lisa Campbell’s book:

    Elton John responded to the rumors that Michael Jackson was staying at his house when he was in London to accept a music award. Elton told the crowd, “Michael says,’hi’, I would have brought him with me but he’s busy hovering (vacuuming) his fucking room!” Actually Michael had spent a short time, about two days, at Elton’s house before moving to the Charter Clinic.

    Frank Cascio also made jokes about it:

    When he stayed with us, one of Michael’s favorite activities was to help my mother clean the house. He loved to vacuum. He told us that as a child, he and his siblings would clean and sing at the same time. One brother would sing the first verse, another would make up the B section, and a third would have to come up with the chorus or, as Michael called it, the hook. Then someone would do the second verse, and someone else the bridge. He said they used to come up with some really good stuff while they cleaned. Or so he said… I always suspected the story was a clever way of motivating my brother and me to help.

    And this is what Frank said about the rehab:

    At first, Michael was in a rehab hospital in London. My family and I talked to him on the phone every day for hours, passing the phone around among us to keep him company. It got to the point where we had to install what we called a “bat line” just for him. Line one was the house phone, line two was the fax, and line three was Michael’s dedicated line. He complained about how the staff at the hospital was treating him. The place was almost like a psychiatric ward, he said, and he knew full well that he wasn’t crazy. One day he couldn’t take it anymore and made his escape, bolting down the street. Some orderlies chased him down and brought him back. Finally Elton John stepped in and coordinated his transfer to another rehab place—a private estate outside London that was much more Michael’s speed.

    Soon after Michael’s transfer, he asked us to come and visit him in rehab. Thanksgiving break was beginning, so my parents gave the okay and Wayne brought me and Eddie to London for four or five days.

    This new rehab was located in a house in the country, a warm, comfortable, homey place, complete with fireplaces. Michael was really happy to see our familiar faces. He gave us a tour, introducing us to the friends he’d made and explaining his routine—like a child showing off his school. Come to think of it, it was probably the closest experience to going to school Michael had ever had. The patients had a daily schedule, spending time playing games, reading, watching movies, and doing arts and crafts. Michael was kind of proud of the artwork he’d been doing. He showed us a dinosaur he’d made out of paper and beamed like a little kid.

    Imagine a no-nonsense woman like Debbie looking at MJ making that dinosaur and what she would say about it. Being 11 years old Frank Cascio could understand but Debbie absolutely would not. In many ways Michael was a big kid and I don’t know what kind of a woman would be able to fully understand him. This difference of perception is the platform from which Michael’s relationship with Debbie and other women should be looked upon.

    I remember reading that Michael became a full grown-up only after the 2005 trial.

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  36. August 24, 2013 7:28 am

    Thanks Helena for your inputs on Debbie Rowe. You are so right- I thought the same of her when I first saw her- she was so rough compared to MJ who even kept on reminding her not to use bad words during her pregnancy as she is so prone to using them. That was quite funny- Debbie spoke about that herself in an interview. As for her suing him in 2006 these are some of the links The last link is about Debbie auctioning her wedding ring :
    http://www.wistv.com/story/5146367/michael-jackson-sued-by-ex-wife-debbie-rowe
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09/29/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-settle-child-custody-battle/
    http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/1995-1999-debbie-rowe/
    http://www.medialifemagazine.com/debbie-rowe-sues-ex-husband-michael-jackson/
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143134,00.html

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  37. August 24, 2013 6:53 am

    “Debbie Rowe has always come out in support of MJ both the in 2005 trial as in this one. But I wonder what might have happened for the divorce to have taken place. A friendship of close to twenty tears gone awry!”- Suparna

    Suparna, if you read the second transcript you will realize why. I have a very mixed feeling after reading that transcript – it is good that she is so forthright and always speaks her mind, but in some cases she does sound like she has “no filter”. Not answering a question, making comments when she is not asked to, challenging people – in fact her domineering manner seemed to intimidate even Ms. Chang.

    Debbie Rowe is a very dominant woman and lacks gentleness. She most probably treats men (or people in general) in the same way she breeds horses – with no nonsense involved. For Michael it was sometimes good when she shielded him like a wall and sometimes awful, because he expected something different from a woman and he was right. A woman should be a woman and not a man-breeder. He himself was very gentle and having such a rude beside him all the time was almost like living with a female version of Joe Jackson.

    But I like her honesty, though understand that living with her under one roof is absolutely not easy.

    “Yet after the divorce, she kept accepting $1 million dollars by way of alimony from Michael till 2003 when Michael decided to stop it on the grounds of her breaking one of the clauses to the divorce agreement when she gave an interview to the media.”

    Knowing Michael’s generosity I can very well assume that he offered her money himself. Also the media should have been considered – if she had stayed penniless it would have been even worse. Imagine what they would have written: “Jacko used her and dumped as waste”, “Look at squalid conditions mother of his children has to live in” – something of the kind. No, that million was just a civil arrangement reached between two civil people after parting with each other.

    “However, following the child molestation charges of 2003, she tried to regain custody of her kids as she thought that MJ would be too occupied to take care of the kids and she was also worried about MJ’s association with the Nation Of Islam (NOI) and thought that it was an antisemetic organisation and that would influence her kids- Debbie being a Jew herself.”

    I can only guess, but my feeling is that there is no love lost between Debbie Rowe and the Jacksons’ family. Both sides seem to be belligerent to each other and I see it as the main reason for Debbie’s attempt to reverse her rights. She was afraid for the future of the children in case Michael went to jail.

    She was afraid that the children would get into the hands of someone like Joe Jackson, for example, who would raise them in hate towards their mother and in his own system of values, so different from hers or even Michael’s, not to mention Joe’s methods. The very least she wanted of those parental rights was the right to have a say in their upbringing.

    I don’t know whether this was the primary motive, but it was present – this is for sure.

    “And then she took MJ to court in 2006 wanting her parental rights to be restored and complained that MJ had stopped paying her!”

    After the trial? Have you got any links to articles about it?

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  38. August 24, 2013 6:12 am

    Some more articles about this case. Moritz Erhardt was a naturally inquisitive student, very hard-working and popular with his peers. A kind of a star among the interns and the best candidate for a permanent job with the bank:

    Bank of America reviews long-hours culture after intern’s death
    Moritz Erhardt, who was ‘tipped for greatness’ was found dead in shower after working solidly for 72 hours at Merrill Lynch

    Shiv Malik
    theguardian.com, Friday 23 August 2013 13.36 BST

    Bank of America Merrill Lynch will review its working practices and culture of long hours following the death of a German intern last week, who colleagues said had pulled three all-nighters in a row before being discovered by emergency services.

    One of the world’s largest banks issued a statement on Friday afternoon expressing shock at the death of 21-year-old Moritz Erhardt, who was working in Merrill Lynch’s investment banking division, and announced a review of working practices with a special focus on junior members of staff.

    Erhardt, from south-west Germany, was found dead in a shower cubicle at his temporary accommodation in east London last Thursday evening.

    The death of the “dedicated” student sent shockwaves through the world of global finance, as reports of his alleged extreme working habits sparked debate about the culture of punishing hours in some high-profile financial divisions.

    A Bank of America statement said: “We are deeply shocked and saddened by the news of Moritz Erhardt’s death. Moritz Erhardt was popular amongst his peers and was a highly diligent intern at our company with a bright future.

    “Our immediate priority is to do everything we can to continue to support the Erhardt family, our interns and impacted employees at this extremely difficult time. We have also convened a formal senior working group to consider the facts as they become known, to review all aspects of this tragedy, to listen to employees at all levels and to help us learn from them.”

    A spokesman from the bank said the panel would review “all aspects of working practices with a particular focus on our junior population”. He added: “We’re going to look at everything.”

    …The exact circumstances surrounding Erhardt’s death are yet to be officially determined. The coroner’s court at Poplar told the Guardian that no decision had yet been taken as to whether an inquest would go ahead. A toxicology report as part of the autopsy conducted by Prof Petter Vanezis, was yet to be filed.

    A fellow intern at the bank described the aspiring student as a “superstar”, adding: “He worked very hard and was very focused. We typically work 15 hours a day or more and you would not find a harder worker than him.” He told the Evening Standard: “He seemed a lovely guy and was very popular with everyone. He was tipped for greatness.”

    According to his biography on the social media platform Seelio, Erhardt said he was naturally inquisitive and had previously stated that he’d undertaken work experience at Morgan Stanley, and Deutsche Bank’s corporate finance division.

    Polly Courtney, author of Golden Handcuffs and an intern at Merrill Lynch in 2001 before its merger with Bank of America, said the culture of punishingly long hours was endemic. “During my internship, all-nighters were like a rite of passage. They were discussed among us in the Merrill Lynch canteen each night with an outward sense of loathing, but tinged with pride. You weren’t seen as a ‘proper’ analyst until you’d worked through the night.

    “It wasn’t just a culture of long hours and hard work; it was more a culture of desperately trying to impress, with ‘face time’ – pretending to be hard at work even when you were done for the night – and backstabbing – taking credit for a job well done, blaming others for problems – both commonplace.

    “Ultimately, the money and perks could never make up for the exhaustion or the lack of control we all had over our lives, but it took most of us a few years to realise this. Looking back, the money was just an anaesthetic.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/23/bank-america-merrill-lynch-intern-death

    Funny that they use the word anaesthetic here. For us it makes this example even more appropriate than ever.

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  39. August 24, 2013 6:01 am

    You are most welcome Sina. Thanks so much for the update on the trial developments Alice. I hope the changes are made that would help MJ’s case even further. Please vote for MJ in MTV VMAs’ 10 Best Performances Ever. The link is : http://www.billboard.com/articles/photos/live/467799/mtv-vmas-10-best-performances-ever-poll-results?page=0%2C2. He is in the lead anyways.

    Debbie Rowe has always come out in support of MJ both the in 2005 trial as in this one. But I wonder what might have happened for the divorce to have taken place. A friendship of close to twenty tears gone awry! Debbie had always maintained that she conceived the kids because she wanted to make MJ happy as a friend and of course she was in love with him. She even said that one of the reasons for her moving out of MJ’s house was her inability to handle the life of a celebrity, amidst so much of media glare. And she had thanked MJ for understanding that she wanted to be independent. She emerged as a strong independent and selfless woman which was so praiseworthy. Yet after the divorce, she kept accepting $1 million dollars by way of alimony from Michael till 2003 when Michael decided to stop it on the grounds of her breaking one of the clauses to the divorce agreement when she gave an interview to the media. She had given up her custody rights for the kids at the time of her divorce, filing for termination of parental rights in 2001, and stated “Michael has been a wonderful father to the children and I do not wish to share any parenting responsibilities with Michael because he is doing so well without me.” According to court documents, she said, “I want to forever give up any and all rights pertaining to the children because I believe that by doing so, it is in the children’s best interest.” However, following the child molestation charges of 2003, she tried to regain custody of her kids as she thought that MJ would be too occupied to take care of the kids and she was also worried about MJ’s association with the Nation Of Islam (NOI) and thought that it was an antisemetic organisation and that would influence her kids- Debbie being a Jew herself. This must have hurt MJ so much- at a time when he needed the kids and everyone’s support. The kids were his life. Debbie was trying to take the kids away from him! She even auctioned her wedding ring on E bay just before the trial! Was she trying to deliberately hurt him? Why did she do this if she loved him so much? And then she took MJ to court in 2006 wanting her parental rights to be restored and complained that MJ had stopped paying her! Whys did she even want any money from MJ if she was really so independent? She had always lived a simple life before her marriage and so why could not have been contented being Debbie Rowe again? How could she sue MJ I she loved him? It also sounds like a mystery.

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  40. August 24, 2013 5:56 am

    “The victim, Moritz Erhadt, 21 yo, a bank temporary trainee at American Bank, Merryl Lynch worked 72 hrs nonstop and was found dead upon or just after his return home by his room mate, also a bank trainee.” – Kaarin

    Kaarin, what an appropriate example! I’ve found several articles about this young man, but the one explaining why the US media is not treating the matter of Michael’s lack of sleep seriously is this one:

    My so-called life as an intern at Merrill Lynch
    The death of young banking hopeful Moritz Erhardt brought back memories to Polly Courtney that were both painful and surreal
    POLLY COURTNEY FRIDAY 23 AUGUST 2013

    On Monday night, Moritz Erhardt, 21, was found dead in his east London flat. He was a week away from finishing a summer internship at the London office of Merrill Lynch. The exact cause of his death is not known, but it is claimed that Mr Moritz had worked three “all-nighters” in a row before his death and was determined to earn himself a full-time role at the bank.

    I too interned in the London offices of Merrill Lynch before accepting a job on the graduate scheme. I was one of 30 bright, keen twentysomethings who were opting to spend the summer hunched over desks, deep in financial equations. Like Mr Erhardt, I threw myself into the internship programme, relishing the challenge that awaited me.

    We thought we knew what we were letting ourselves in for. The long hours and hard work were no secret among university undergraduates. Even before I joined the firm I’d heard tales of junior bankers collapsing from exhaustion and analysts who slept under their desks. Secretly, I think we wanted to be a part of this strange, exclusive club. We were young, impressionable and eager to please. We wanted to feel important and we wanted to justify the £6,000 we were earning that summer.

    During our internship, all-nighters were a rite of passage. We discussed them in the Merrill Lynch canteen as we ate our free dinners each night. Outwardly, we expressed our loathing, but in reality, we were proud. You weren’t deemed a “proper” banker until you’d worked through the night.

    We bought into the idea that fulfilment would come from “succeeding” in this crazy game. For seven weeks, our world shrank to one square mile and during that time, nothing else mattered. We forgot about family, friends, pets, birthdays… We could tell you the value of the FTSE but we couldn’t say how our grandmothers were doing. Hundred-hour weeks were standard. Many of my peers treated Saturdays as a working day and then tried to take half of Sunday off to recover. Some didn’t even bother to go home when they worked through the night; they just showered in the in-house gym, bought a toothbrush from the in-house shop, grabbed an espresso from the in-house Starbucks, and they were good to go for another day.

    Of course, we knew this wasn’t productive in the long term. But the adrenaline (combined with caffeine and taurine – or cocaine, in the cases of many full-time bankers) would see us through.

    One night, my flatmates and I were woken by the doorbell at 2am. It was a company car, waiting to take me back into the office to “check some figures”. With the “checking” complete, the rest of my night was spent awaiting further instruction. That’s when sleep beckoned.

    There is a lot of waiting around in banking. It’s the financial equivalent of being “on call”, except that you’re not saving lives. The truth is, interns (and to a large extent, analysts) are not qualified to take on responsibility. I certainly wasn’t, being half-way through a degree in engineering. The tasks undertaken by interns and analysts are very mundane. We spent our nights and weekends cloning PowerPoint slides, sifting through annual reports and picking through excessively complicated financial models in Excel, some of which never got used.

    There was a culture of vindictiveness that trickled down the hierarchy. VPs would dump work on associates, who would dump it on analysts, who, at the end of the working day, would dump it on the intern with a deadline of 9 o’clock the following morning, even if it was needed for an afternoon meeting. And often, the afternoon meeting would be cancelled and nobody would think to tell the intern.

    Moritz Erhardt was a week away from finishing a summer internship when he died Working late was a surreal experience. Once the senior bankers left for the day (which most of them did around 6-7pm) it was just us, the minions, tapping away at our keyboards, sweating as the air con went off for the night, occasionally plunged into darkness as motion detectors on lights failed to register our movements. If you squinted through the tinted glass windows, there were small signs of life outside: other junior bankers and lawyers cracking on through the night in their matching glass office blocks.

    We worked hard, but we also played hard. Throughout the summer, we were plied with perks: cocktails at the Tower of London, drinks at Madame Tussauds, dinner at Coq d’Argent, dragon-boat racing on Monkey Island… and that was on top of the free meals, company cars and central London accommodation. At the time, we felt valued, as though this was our reward for all the hard work. In retrospect, it was more like absent parents buying their children’s affections with lavish gifts.

    The firm ticked all the boxes on the HR front. We were assigned “buddies”: full-time bankers to whom we could go with any questions or concerns. (Nobody I knew ever approached their “buddy”; bankers didn’t have time for questions.) We attended lectures and talks on the values of the firm (Client Focus, Respect for the Individual, Teamwork, Responsible Citizenship and Integrity) and we were taught the procedure for surfacing concerns. (We found these laughable at the time; with hindsight, they were ludicrous.) The reality was that we had all signed away our right to the statutory working week; for one summer, we were the property of the firm.

    We didn’t mind. Like Moritz Erhardt – who was said to have told prospective employers that his upbringing taught him to “always be driven to be good at everything” – we wanted to impress. Looking back, I suppose this was one of the key criteria sought out by the banks’ recruitment teams. They wanted “all-rounders” – not because they valued our skills on the football pitch or on stage but because a jam-packed CV was a sign of a young person who would do whatever it took to succeed.

    When it came to it, Mr Erhardt was not “forced to work through the night”. We weren’t forced to do anything. We worked through the night because we chose to. We were keen, naïve undergraduates, desperate to make our mark on the world.

    We competed for places on the internship via stressful all-day assessments. I can still remember the mental arithmetic questions fired at me during my interview and the tense atmosphere in the plush, carpeted lounge where we sat in our starched new suits between tests.

    Many of us had applied to more than one City firm. There was a strict hierarchy: the American firms were seen as the best, Japanese a close second, with European banks seen as a last resort. I remember turning down another offer when I found out I’d been awarded an internship at Merrill Lynch.

    The competition didn’t end when we won our internships – quite the opposite. Throughout the summer, we were constantly reminded that we were effectively living out a seven-week job interview. As our internships drew to a close, rumours started to circulate about how the bank would offer full-time roles only to the very hardest-working interns. Our peers became our enemies and we quickly picked up tricks from the bankers, embarking on “face time” (pretending to be hard at work even when you’re done for the night), back-stabbing and the long-hours game, sending out department-wide emails in the middle of the night to show how hard we were working. We all desperately wanted to be rewarded with the salary and prestige of a job at the end of it.

    In the event, nearly all of us were offered full-time roles for the following year and I, along with everyone else, accepted without hesitation. Of course I wanted to live this life. I wanted to be a banker. I wanted the chance to go all the way to the top.

    Well, it turned out that no amount of money or prestige could make up for the exhaustion, the misery and the lack of control we all had over our lives. I broke after only a few months, but it took others a few years to realise this.

    Moritz Erhardt was universally regarded as a kind and generous individual. He will no doubt leave a hole in many people’s lives. We may never know the exact cause of his death, but perhaps his family might take solace in the fact that, by shedding light on the exploitative practices employed by our financial institutions, he is continuing to do good work.

    I hope this terrible tragedy serves as a wakeup call – not just to employers and policy-makers in the investment banking community, but also to employees. The money is just an anaesthetic; it might work for a seven-week internship or perhaps even longer, but it wears off in the end.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/my-socalled-life-asan-internat-merrill-lynch-8782735.html

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  41. August 24, 2013 5:33 am

    You said it Helena.– Now I will backtrack a bit on the topic of lack of sleep. An important factor in the events that led to Michaels death. There is now reported in Wall Street Journal another death as result of lack of sleep. The victim, Moritz Erhadt, 21 yo ,a bank temporary trainee at American Bank, Merryl Lynch worked 72 hrs nonstop and was found dead upon or just after his return home by his room mate, also a bank trainee.

    Mr. M.E. was considered by his collegues as something of a superman, his room mate stated that he had slept only 2 nights in the past 2 weeks.

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  42. August 24, 2013 5:14 am

    “When this trial started AEG threatened that there was going to be a lot of “ugly stuff”. So far the only really ugly stuff in this trial, and it seems to get worse each time a witness takes the stand, appears to be about them or those associated with them!!” – MagUK

    I’ve read some of the latest testimonies at the trial and see that AEG’s behavior is ugly in its absolute utmost. What we are going through is the Feast which the Ugliest in human beings is arranging on another person’s bones.

    There was a moment when the “devout Christian” who arranged it all could still get forgiveness from the Heavens and History. All he needed to do was simply admit that they ruined another human being due to their fear to lose millions. No catastrophe would have taken place even in case they had lost some $30 mln. in production costs. They would still have their billions and would not go begging in the street for a piece of bread anyway.

    But these $30 something millions spent blinded them completely. This is why the catastophe took place but instead of admitting it they chose a different path – to paint MJ dirty from head to toe and drown him in the mud. All this doesn’t even have a bearing upon this case and contradicts everything they themselves were saying, but they hope that the more mud they throw the higher to the top of it they get. They want to be kings of mud and they are.

    Let us not lose our sense of perspective and let us realize that no one was forcing AEG to take this course. It is THEIR OWN CHOICE.

    And by making this choice they passed a final verdict on themselves. Let the “devout Christian” not fool himself any longer – for the Heavens and History he is damned.

    Not by me or anyone, God forbid, but by the choice he himself made in life.

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  43. August 24, 2013 4:19 am

    Guys, I will add to this post now the transcript of Debbie Rowe’s second day of testimony. It contains some important details which I will try to incorporate into the post, though of course I won’t be able to cover everything.

    There are some things I don’t understand. For example, how is it possible for AEG to object to Debbie to speak about the schedule which actually drove Michael into his grave. Why are the witnesses not allowed to talk about the most important point at this trial for which AEG is directly responsible?

    A. Their father is dead. When I saw the tour come out, the schedule, I called —

    Ms. Stebbins: Your honor, I’m going to object to this. This is all — the part about the tour schedule —

    Ms. Chang: Ms. Rowe, I just want to ask you about just based on your observations, how have you observed the death of the father —

    A. I almost lost my daughter.

    Q. Have you spoken to her about the loss of her father?

    A. She is devastated. She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore.

    I understand that Paris’s devastation is getting all the attention here because it is indeed awful, but still – why aren’t witnesses allowed to talk about the reason which brought about Michael’s death? Which is AEG’s total disregard for Michael’s interests and setting the dates too close – which brought about all that stress at all?

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  44. August 24, 2013 3:28 am

    “I feel like the media and some fans are trying to diminish the vitality of sleep, it’s just as important as food and water.- Tatum What keeps us breathing and active in normal day to day movements is the brain. The brain cannot function without sleep; you would lose your mind going days without it. Michael was middle aged and a chronic insomniac, he needed sleep.” – Tatum

    Tatum, the age of those who are writing about it is important only from the point of view of lack of experience, but the young are damaged by lack of sleep in no less measure. I’ve read some comments from young people – “we can go without sleep for 2 days running and nothing happens to us”. But they are going without sleep willingly, due to some activities involving a lot of adrenalin and some energy-boosting substances, but after 3 or 4 days of this activity they will fall into bed and will have a good and sound sleep for 24 hours.

    These youngsters should not confuse their escapades with chronic insomnia, especially the terrible case like Michael’s. I had just a feel of it when my baby would not sleep at night (many years ago). At first it was ok, then it was difficult and then came a moment when the baby could sleep and I couldn’t.

    Fatigue is not even the right word for it – I wanted to sleep every minute of my life, and thought that if only I was given a moment of quiet I would fall asleep standing, but when this moment of quiet came I could not.

    The feeling is incredible – you want to sleep like hell and have so little energy that you cannot move your little finger, but closing your eyes doesn’t help. You feel nausea, your pulse is quick and your heart is beating somewhere in your throat, and you feel like a sort of an electric current is going through you as each cell of your body is trembling, and all you want is this trembling to subside but lying on the bed and closing eyes does not help and makes it even worse. You get up, walk about, eat, lie on the bed, tell your body to relax but it wouldn’t, get up again, look at the watch and understand that in a couple of hours everyone will be up and you will have to function properly, but you are a complete ruin. You cannot hold your head up and are tired even to speak, not to mention anything else.

    Dancing in such a state? But you can barely stand on your feet!

    And when Michael was in this condition they made him train for several hours at home and then perform at rehearsals 6 days a week, while Michael’s only task for that period was building up his stamina, saving his energy and dealing with insomnia. Debbie Rowe said that on the day of the performance Michael was saving his energy and his voice to such a degree that he did not speak with anyone on that day.

    And when performances came AEG should have had a break of at least 2 or 3 days between them for Michael to be able to cope with the strain. He was a special case and should have been treated like someone special – in every meaning of this word.

    Michael was unable to sleep at all, while in my case I did sleep some 3 or 4 hours a day, but still had to approach a doctor and was given very heavy medication. It started with 1/8 of amitriptilyne pill a day (generally given for depression, anxiety and insomnia). Within several months it went to 3,5 pills a day and then gradually back. Treatment took something like a year. So a year of lack of sleep took approximately another year of treating it.

    And this has absolutely nothing to do with voluntary going without sleep at some party or due to reading an interesting book until morning. These things are incomparable. And if some youngsters cannot know it due to lack of such experience, the media is obliged to know – they have experts at their disposal and should be more informed than the general public.

    “AEG was grossly negligent too. Not only by abusing Michael and breaking the rules of their own ethics, they didn’t provide the proper medical equipment and assistance that Murray asked for, so this directly ties them to Michael’s death. Period.”

    For the past day I reviewed some of the trial exhibits and think I am beginning to understand what happened. AEG is telling at the trial a good deal of lies.

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  45. August 23, 2013 11:31 am

    Michael would have died due to two factors – stress and denial of help. And people do die of sleep deprivation. – Helena

    Totally true, I feel like the media and some fans are trying to diminish the vitality of sleep, it’s just as important as food and water. What keeps us breathing and active in normal day to day movements is the brain. The brain cannot function without sleep; you would lose your mind going days without it. Michael was middle aged and a chronic insomniac, he needed sleep.

    Conrad Murray was the one responsible for Michael’s death but from a professional standpoint, AEG was grossly negligent too. Not only by abusing Michael and breaking the rules of their own ethics, they didn’t provide the proper medical equipment and assistance that Murray asked for, so this directly ties them to Michael’s death. Period.

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  46. MagUK permalink
    August 23, 2013 11:13 am

    When this trial started AEG threatened that there was going to be a lot of “ugly stuff”.
    So far the only really ugly stuff in this trial, and it seems to get worse each time a witness takes the stand, appears to be about them or those associated with them.!!

    You know what they say AEG,, “Be careful what you wish for !!”

    It’s still very difficult to know how the verdict will go ( although it’s great to hear Tom Mes confirm that Mr Panish is the best there is).

    Legally … only the jury can decide.

    Morally .. AEG .. you are oh so guilty !!

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  47. August 22, 2013 8:02 am

    “They refuse to see things in context and try their evasive tactics by mini- scrutinizing various points, thereby distorting the truth.” – Kaarin

    Kaarin, it seems that AEG wants to bury the case in some technical details which are not even relevant for the case and prejudice the public against Michael with “drug-addiction” issues.

    Regarding relevance, for example, what does MJ’s debt have to do with this case? And as regards MJ’s problems with “drugs” the more they try to prove it the worse it is for them because it becomes all the more evident that they themselves knew perfectly well about it from their own guy Gongaware, and all their stories about “never knowing” are complete lies.

    “Still this blog will remain for the future and will be carefully analyzed.”

    Hopefully it will, but these matters should not be limited to this blog – they should be discussed everywhere. We cannot rely on the press to write about AEG’s lies, so have to take the information to MJ’s fans and the general public ourselves. What I mean is that all bloggers supporting MJ and all MJ forums should be discussing all these details!

    I will now look into what all those AEG experts were talking about in the last few days and will try to make a post. Just need some time for it.

    Hope you will be well, Kaarin. God bless you.

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  48. August 22, 2013 7:56 am

    And Helena…all the credit to God because I my self don´t understand why and how it is happening.Agreed.

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  49. August 22, 2013 7:42 am

    Thank everybody who is trying to see things in context.All that happened had a reason and a consequence.To me the Briggs testimony was the most painful,pedantic and ,wrong and horrendously expensive.Remember Dr, Shafer who testified extensively and free in the Murray trial.There is a difference in ethics.

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  50. August 22, 2013 7:36 am

    All along AEG has tried to avoid and evade their hardcore & fraudulent behaviour against Michael. Thank you Alice and susannerb for your posts with these points are being addressed.
    They did indeed put cruel and unneccessary stress on Michael.They refuse to see things in context and try their evasive tactics by mini- scrutinizing various points, thereby distorting the truth.
    Still this blog will remain for the future and will be carefully analyzed.

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  51. August 22, 2013 7:29 am

    “They may also think about fraud (considering MJ contract or the papers signed by Tohme/Dileo for repayment). Perhaps they already have some information from the Dileo emails.” – Susanne

    As regards fraud in addition to what we already knew some new circumstances were discovered at the trial, for example:

    1) Thome had no right to sign papers for MJ’s company but nevertheless did sign after MJ’s death. The document he signed stated that Michael had agreed to pay all production expenses. The fraud here is not only in the fact that Tohme did not have the right to sign, but also in the fact that since Michael left nothing in writing it is quite possible that he never agreed to pay those millions in production costs at all.

    In this case fraudulent actions on the part of AEG may be regarded even as malicious intent (at least I see it that way). And of course it brings us back to MJ’s stress again and his lack of sleep that kills.

    2) AEG’s own General Counsel Shawn Trell made a big blunder by disclosing that he met Michael Jackson only once which was January 28 when he went to Michael’s house “for signing the contract” with the “freak”. But at another point he also testified that the date of signing the contract was January 26. He said they signed two contracts on that day – one with Tohme and the other with Michael. The idea of the discussion was to prove that Michael approved Tohme’s contract with AEG and that it was done in his presence.

    But if the contract with Michael was signed on January 26 how could Shawn Trell go to Michael’s house just on one occasion and sign it on January 28?

    All this points to some fraud with the dates, or Michael not knowing about Tohme’s contract, or Michael not signing his own contract on either of those dates and everything done by fax with Tohme’s help, etc. A fraud is a fraud and there are lots of possibilities here.

    The only person from Michael’s side allegedly present at signing Michael’s contract was Peter Lopez but he is dead. All others were AEG people and Tohme.

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  52. August 22, 2013 6:47 am

    “The Jackson attorneys are saying that Katherine would like to alter her case – by this implying that the case definition of what they are arguing may be changed somewhat from what it was at the outset. AEG attorneys responded to this by asking to file a motion to have the entire case ‘thrown out of court due to lack of evidence shown by the Plaintiffs thus far’.” – Alice

    Alice, thank you for this clarification – I heard about them changing the case but didn’t know the details. In fact the case may be corrected in very many ways, for example:

    1) Pressure on Michael, insults and unjustified demands to attend rehearsals as a reason for his lack of sleep resulting in his health deterioration. AEG’s denial to help him despite the obvious signs of his ill health.
    2) Intentional harm by setting 50 days for every other day without regard for his interests.
    3) Fraudulent contract. Regarding this last point I was encouraged by just one phrase from Mr. Panish about the Estate not accepting the contract as valid, though here I am not sure as the ABC tweet was too short and could be misinterpreted.

    I hope very much that the judge allows to alter the case. There are too many grounds for it which cannot be ignored.

    As to AEG’s motion to throw out the case it will be a total travesty of justice if the judge allows it, because this way AEG will assume the role of the jury and decide the case in their favor all by themselves. Most probably their motion will be directed against the alterations in the case by Katherine’s lawyers, while the case which is already in progress cannot be thrown out. Otherwise it would be the total theatre of the absurd.

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  53. Angie permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:48 am

    Oh Michael ;(

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  54. alice permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:24 am

    Just a slight clarification on my comment below – I say that Gongaware says in his testimony at the Murray trial he first spoke to Murray about the contract in May. I’m actually not 100% sure whether he said April or May. Either way, it was definitely a lot sooner than they are all trying to say now.
    -alice

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  55. alice permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:21 am

    Hey Susanne!

    Thanks for your response, hope you’re well.

    RE:
    “They may also think about fraud (considering MJ contract or the papers signed by Tohme/Dileo for repayment). Perhaps they already have some information from the Dileo emails. There are several possibilities.”

    Oooh, yes! An excellent point that I can’t believe I overlooked – that is certainly very likely as well, particularly considering that we are yet to hear if those emails will be brought into evidence – plus the fact Michael’s father tried to bring a trial against AEG for this specific matter separately to Katherine’s. At that stage, and from my recollection, the court decided Joseph could not bring that particular case to trial but also suggested that his case be somehow combined with Katherine’s. I was surprised initially that this was not included in the terms of Katherine’s case – but perhaps it really was a case of not enough hard evidence being available at the time for Panish et al to warrant including it. I definitely hope that fraud of the contract and Tohme’s shady role, plus the issue of unwarranted pressure, can all be included.

    I also have been pondering on a few questions today after re-watching some of the testimony videos from the Murray trial. An exercise I began out of a desire to check some things that Paul Gongaware said, but have ended up continuing purely for the desire to refresh my memory of it all.

    Anyway, I think it’s about Day 2 that Kathy Jorrie is asked by the plaintiffs in detail regarding the contract and her involvement with Murray. She answers specifically that she began drawing up a draft of the contract in May, after Tim Woolley directed her to do so. Gongaware says he first spoke to Murray about the contract in May. So we can assume he asked Woolley to contact Jorrie for the contract creation, before a price was even officially settled. And yet now, as Helena has noted often, AEG are trying to wash their hands of ever knowing Murray at all until June – because this is when the first draft of the contract was officially emailed to Murray. Ridiculous!

    The tricky part comes in that AEG already knew Jacksons were suing them when they were testifying in the Murray trial. So it is hard to compare their testimonies now with what they said back then. But everyone makes mistakes – and everyone makes more mistakes when they lie. We could almost appropriate Billie Jean lyrics to this, but from a different perspective;

    “Be careful what you do because the lie becomes the truth.”

    In the case at hand currently, the more AEG lie the more they hope it becomes the truth. But in another sense, the more they lie, the more the truth reveals itself.
    I think the next few weeks will prove incredibly interesting. I just also hope that the enormous amount of time placed on the jury thus far does not impact the judge’s decision to allow changes to be introduced at this stage. Or for some jury members needing to leave due to personal commitments – particularly after the Jackson attorneys have come so far.
    -alice

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  56. August 22, 2013 3:35 am

    alice, thank you for outlining these latest developments in court. I had the same thoughts about what the Jackson attorneys could want to be included in the trial. They may also think about fraud (considering MJ contract or the papers signed by Tohme/Dileo for repayment). Perhaps they already have some information from the Dileo emails. There are several possibilities. They really may expand the case from pressure on Murray to pressure on Michael. It’s speculation, but I can’t wait until their motion is presented. And I cannot imagine that the case is going to be dismissed as AEG attorneys wish it to happen. All the many weeks of trial proceedings would be in vain, money of taxpayers wasted…. I think the judge won’t let this happen, as there is enough evidence.

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  57. alice permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:44 am

    Hey Helena & everyone else,

    Thanks again for a wonderfully sensitive and intelligent post – and the same to everyone for their heartfelt comments. I feel this forum is a testament to the power and beauty of Michael’s soul – to reach all people and unite them beyond himself.

    I do agree that of course Debbie was clearly madly in love with Michael – as Karen made clear and Debbie herself admits is still the case – a love that was powerful enough to protect him but also open to her own misguided jealousy at times, such as we heard from Karen. Not that this is an attack on Debbie so much, more an observation on the power and different forms of love for Michael that many felt and how it could make them act.

    Jealousy happens to many of us. We don’t have to accept it, but we can understand it.
    Both women loved Michael, obviously, but in different ways. It’s not nice that Debbie acted the way she did against Karen, but at the same time it shows the immensity of love she felt and its ability to make her do things that even Michael did not approve of – like trying to separate him from Karen for reasons entirely in her (Debbie’s) own imagining.

    I think it also speaks a lot to Michael’s character that he later made Debbie explain to Karen why she blocked her out for that time. He loved Karen and Debbie, but understood the importance of both his relationships with each one and was not willing to compromise one for the other. When he heard what Debbie had done, he did not hesitate in telling Debbie to apologise and explain to Karen. And, indeed, we could say it is also to Debbie’s credit for doing so even though she must have felt embarrassed. Either way, it’s a telling example of how loveable Michael really was to both women (I mean it’s not hard to understand, he’s such a darling) but it also shows the level of their respect for him that both had within the realms of their respective relationships.

    Now, Helena, I also had a sudden thought when I read your spot-on analysis of events:

    “Stress came again together with AEG, their contract and their 50 concerts and flared into its peak when all that slapping, insulting and humiliating Michael started and when AEG demanded that he should rehearse for two and a half months 6 days a week.
    The stress of all that is what really killed Michael Jackson and not propofol which only detained a bit the process of his dying. And the only party responsible for that stress is AEG.”

    The thought I had on this relates to a very recent development in the trial proceedings, in terms of how the legal parameters of the Jackson case may in fact be altered.

    Though Katherine is currently away from the court with family organising for Michael’s birthday celebrations, discussions have been happening in sidebars with the attorneys and judge regarding the case itself and the over-arching Jackson argument. The Jackson attorneys are saying that Katherine (not sure whether it’s actually ‘her’ specifically or just the attorneys requesting this, but clearly their interests and hers are essentially one and the same, and it is Katherine they are of course representing) would like to alter her case – by this implying that the case definition of what they are arguing may be changed somewhat from what it was at the outset.

    My interpretation of this is that they would like to expand upon the terms which currently only allow the jury to consider whether AEG hired, retained or supervised Conrad Murray. I suspect they want to expand this to include something along the lines of what you outline, Helena; they may want to add alongside the terms regarding Murray (or even replace/adjust) something about whether AEG also placed undue stress and pressure on Michael, bullied him, etc, covering their cruel acts which all subsequently enhanced his sleep problems and ultimately caused his death. They may want the jury to consider this as well as the connection to Murray – in order to strengthen their case against AEG.

    Of course, the Jackson attorneys are yet to specify the terms they want to change, so I am just purely speculating here. I also understand this discussion or specification of terms won’t be happening until Katherine has returned and also once ALL lawyers are able to be present together to discuss this with the judge – whether this happens during court time in a sidebar or out of court time behind closed doors is another matter, too. So I’m not sure we will even be party to those discussions until a decision is made & announced.

    However, although I’m speculating I do feel it is a strong likelihood that this what the Jackson attorneys are also thinking just as you, Helena, and we are – that AEG’s role went much, much further than pressuring Murray. I feel that, for the sake of mounting a stronger case and for the sake of the truth that this is what they are endeavouring to add to the case terms. They may have wanted this included earlier on but were unable to do so without exploring and examining witnesses further to establish a grounds for this. Who knows.
    But if this kind of direction is where they want to take things, then this change would be something that I really do hope will be allowed by the judge to be included, to ensure a good outcome for Katherine & the children.

    Now, following this recent request during a sidebar by the Jackson attorneys in one of the recent transcripts, AEG attorneys responded to this by asking to file a motion to have the entire case ‘thrown out of court due to lack of evidence shown by the Plaintiffs thus far’. Which is, of course, absolutely ludicrous, as we know. But they will stop at nothing.

    The judge said she will consider both requests while the case proceeds and her final decisions will be known by a date in September, after & when Katherine and everyone else is present once more.

    But for now it does certainly lay an interesting foundation to what direction the case progression takes and what else we hear because of it in our own search for truth.
    -alice

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  58. August 21, 2013 10:53 pm

    “There is a saying that says that “context is everything” = Michael took pain medication because he was in great pain (Michael’s context). And the guy never complained or let on to the press. When he began to wear those fedoras, well, a balloon (or whatever else) could have been underneath…” – Jolie

    Yes, the context is everything. To understand Michael we need to restore his life the way it really was, and not the way it was painted by the media, and relive his life and feelings at least a little bit in the process. I see this work as restoration of the truth about him – same as cleaning a precious painting of all dirt.

    “All this is really one great miracle. I give all the credit to God, as Michael often did. My sincere gratitude to you again, Helena.”

    Jolie, thank you very much for your kind words and encouragement. I regard it as a miracle myself and also give all the credit to God because I myself don’t understand why and how it is happening.

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  59. August 21, 2013 10:18 pm

    “Helena it was not a choice between propofol or dying….And guess what, he didn’t die of sleep deprevation. – Sina

    This case is about dying but not because of propofol. Propofol was the subject of Murray’s trial and the subject of AEG’s trial should be STRESS.

    This is a state into which AEG drove Michael as a result of which he lost sleep and which is why he had to seek some remedy for it. MJ thought that propofol gives sleep as all doctors do call this condition “sleep” and make the first and fundamental mistake by using this word at all.

    Let us imagine that there was no propofol. After being driven into the stress of having to do 50 shows every other day Michael would not have slept four, five, six and more days. Could he have rehearsed? Absolutely not. Would AEG have given him any help? Absolutely not either – they would have regarded it as a sign of withdrawal from drugs (as they actually did). They would have similarly cut his ties with everyone around him and would have played the same “tough love” card on him denying him help.

    The result would have been the same. Michael would have died due to two factors – stress and denial of help. And people do die of sleep deprivation. Michael would have died of it because of permanent damage to the brain which outwardly looks like withdrawal from drugs. Dr. Ceizler even said it that he would have died a week later even without any propofol.

    “So we can safely say that it was only an issue when he was under stress” -Sina

    Exactly. And stress is the very essence of this case.

    Every normal person knows that even if it was possible for Michael to do 50 shows, doing them every other day was impossible – and AEG as concert promoters should have known it. So the only conclusion that comes from it is that they did it on purpose (or due to heavy negligence and infinite greed which amounts to the same thing).

    Debbie Rowe sobbed on the stand when she said “when I saw that schedule…” Karen Faye cried too with the same words – “when I saw the schedule…”. Frank Dileo knew perfectly well that Michael would not have been able to do the shows every other day. And Gongaware should have known it too as he was with Michael on two tours.

    And Tohme (in Sullivan’s book) says that Michael raised the need for a doctor only when he learned about the number of shows they set for him. Actually a doctor was a condition he set to AEG as an agreement to 50 shows – at least Tohme presented it that way. And payment to the doctor by AEG was also Michael’s condition if they wanted it of him.

    As to the History tour after which Michael did not use propofol for 9 years, the situation was the same. Gongaware was Michael’s manager and he was priding himself on the stand that after Marcel Avram mismanagement of the first leg he (Gongaware) corrected the situation and avoided losses. No cancellations could be easily his condition for Michael and this is why Michael felt that he was at the end of the rope. Fortunately it was the very end of the tour and the last two concerts.

    And when the History tour was over Michael went into a sleeping facility to handle his insomnia and had several appointments with doctors there as Debbie said. I didn’t get the impression that they helped him, most probably he recovered his natural sleep because the stress was over.

    Stress came again together with AEG, their contract and their 50 concerts and flared into its peak when all that slapping, insulting and humiliating Michael started and when AEG demanded that he should rehearse for two and a half months 6 days a week.

    The stress of all that is what really killed Michael Jackson and not propofol which only detained a bit the process of his dying. And the only party responsible for that stress is AEG.

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  60. Jolie permalink
    August 21, 2013 9:13 pm

    Dear Helena,

    I have not made any personal comment lately, because of the great pain I have been experiencing reading your recent blogs on the trial. Because the trial has gone into great detail about Michael’s physical pain, well, I have not processed MY emotional pain yet. There is a saying that says that “context is everything” = Michael took pain medication because he was in great pain (Michael’s context). And the guy never complained or let on to the press. When he began to wear those fedoras, well, a balloon (or whatever else) could have been underneath…

    What I want to tell you dear Helena is that your insight is incredible. I love to read your conclusions on all things Michael. Your research is so, so important for Michael’s legacy. Michael’s “context” is so important. And it needs to be preserved for posterity. Michael’s story is so, so complicated. And the interpretation of HIStory is so, so crucial.

    Thank you so, so much for your great effort on Michael’s behalf. I am so, so grateful, as I am sure Michael would be, and is…God bless you and your work Helena.

    I am grateful to all those who have doing research on Michael and sharing with fans, and preserving it as documentation, on the internet. All this is really one great miracle. I give all the credit to God, as Michael often did. My sincere gratitude to you again, Helena.

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  61. Sina permalink
    August 21, 2013 7:31 pm

    All he wanted was getting sleep. And without sleep a person dies. So would it be preferable for people if he had died of lack of sleep? – Helena

    Helena it was not a choice between propofol or dying . You know very well that Michael didn’t use propofol as a regular remedy against his insomnia or else would have been dead a long time ago, because propofol is not the same as sleep. This is what Czeisler the sleep expert testified:
    the “drug-induced coma” induced by propofol leaves a patient with the same refreshed feeling of a good sleep but without the benefits that genuine sleep delivers in repairing brain cells and the body. Depriving someone of REM sleep for a long period of time makes them paranoid, anxiety-filled, depressed, unable to learn, distracted and sloppy. They lose their balance and appetite while their physical reflexes get 10 times slower and their emotional responses 10 times stronger, he said.

    The only time Michael was given propofol was on tour . Rowe: ” after history tour he could not sleep. He talked to me and I said he had to talk to Metzger ”
    History was his last tour and after that there is no record of propofol for 9 years.
    And guess what, he didn’t die of sleep deprevation.
    So we can safely say that it was only an issue when he was under stress . As he said himself “I go through hell touring”. If DR, knowing Michael for so many years saw that he was going through hell and wanted to help, she should have tried to have the show cancelled and not just tackle the symptoms to make the show go on. The same we expected AEG to do when they saw that Michael was deteriorating.

    Imo only a doctor could have suggested and administered anesthesia as a sleep substitute. Even if Michael had asked for it they should not have given it , whether they are Metzger or Murray. The only thing I blame him for is trusting the wrong people.

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  62. August 21, 2013 4:22 pm

    “If it’s possible I continue to admire him even more than I already did. I have never had any doubts that Michael was a fantastic example of the best a human being could possibly aspire to be.” – MagUK

    Yes. Simply the best.

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  63. August 21, 2013 3:47 pm

    “But with all HIS good intentions, the more do gooders he had in his life the less his chances to survive.” – Sina

    I really don’t understand some things. Even if some doctor gave Michael propofol calling it sleep as all of them do, it is still the doctor who is responsible for it and not the patient.

    What I absolutely don’t understand is why all these medical mistakes are considered Michael’s guilt? If the doctor told him it was okay if done under supervision why is Michael considered responsible for it? Why Michael?

    If the doctor gives you some medicine and years later (when it is too late for you) it is found extremely harmful, who will be responsible for the harm? The doctor or the pharmaceutical company. So how is this case different?

    All he wanted was getting sleep. And without sleep a person dies. So would it be preferable for people if he had died of lack of sleep?

    He tried even a sleeping facility and Dr. Metzger went together with him there, but even the special facility did not help.

    So what was he supposed to do? Can anyone explain to me what alternative Michael had?

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  64. August 21, 2013 3:21 pm

    “Debbie is goldproof in all respests.No misunderstanding of questions, good memory for things long past, a good grasp of Michaels skin & medical problems, working in tandem with Dr. Metzger. Also interesting that she mentioned the reasons for the worst medine.And a friendship that has lasted-past the words “till death do us part”.“- kaarin

    Kaarin, Debbie Rowe only calls it friendship while in reality she was madly in love with Michael and she stayed with MJ all that time during the pain treatment out of the enormous love she had for him. In her May 9th testimony Karen Faye said that Debbie was so jealous of Karen on History tour that she made her leave the tour. Sometime later Michael returned her and asked Debbie to apologize to Karen which she did:

    Q. You came to believe that his wife, Ms. Rowe had some role in your being asked not to continue on tour?
    A. Actually, after it happened she told me she was. After I was back. She apologized to me for playing a role in that situation.
    Q. Did you understand what role she played?
    A. This is so complicated. I needed another person to work on tour with me. Debbie Rowe introduced me to a hairdresser named Tommy Simms, a good friend of hers. I like Tommy very much and I took him with me on tour to work with us. There was a lot going on that I wasn’t privy to, or didn’t really understand about all of this. Debbie Rowe was pregnant. And she was obviously in love with Michael Jackson. She had told me for many years. That was her desire to be with him. She told me that she was jealous of me being there as Michael’s makeup artist. She thought that Michael liked me better than her. And she felt more comfortable with her friend, Tommy Simms taking my place. … Michael asked Debbie to apologize to me.

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  65. August 21, 2013 2:51 pm

    “Helena I am so thankful to you for having this blog which has helped me immensely in finding out the truth about Michael’s life, at a time when I was overwhelmed by the volume of information that is available , but did not know what to choose and what to discard.” – Suparna

    I need to apologize for leaving this post in its rather “raw” form for so long as I didn’t have an opportunity to properly edit it since it was posted yesterday. Now it has been cleaned up a bit.

    I’d love to transcribe a few things from that leaked footage from Ghosts. Michael is speaking to us there! He did it so rarely even when he was alive, so it is a tremendous surprise, and I really had an uncanny feeling when watching him talk – it almost looked like he returned. At least while watching the film I had this feeling.

    It is like having a peep into some parallel world where he is still alive. Let me make myself clear that I am not talking of the ridiculous stuff promoted by some “believers” (that he didn’t die) – no, I am talking of something totally different. Probably immortality and his spirit looking at us in some incredible way.

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  66. August 21, 2013 2:37 pm

    “I just don’t get the way some fans are ridiculing TMez because he said he believed in this trial” – Okunuga

    Oh, they are ridiculing Thomas Mesereau? I thought that he as a lawyer should know better than some “fans” the merit of Katherine’s case.

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  67. Okunuga permalink
    August 21, 2013 10:58 am

    I just don’t get the way some fans are ridiculing TMez because he said he believed in this trial and that Katherine could win this suit just because they for whatever reason do not want this trial to take place of which they have the right to have but they should also give TMez the right to his own opinions whatever they may be.

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  68. Sina permalink
    August 21, 2013 9:12 am

    Thank you Superna. Great interviews and much nostalgia ,
    Wish I could turn back the time.

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  69. August 21, 2013 6:56 am

    Hi Carol,
    You are very welcome! Yes Helena I am so thankful to you for having this blog which has helped me immensely in finding out the truth about Michael’s life, at a time when I was overwhelmed by the volume of information that is available , but did not know what to choose and what to discard. You are doing a great service . God Bless you.

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  70. Carole Tia permalink
    August 21, 2013 6:11 am

    Hi Suparna,

    Thank you so much for the video link
    interview with TM
    I laugh and cry in the same time…
    I really recommend everybody to listen to it.

    And Helena I can t never thank you enough.

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  71. August 21, 2013 5:46 am

    Thank you again Helena fot giving us an overview of what is goinng on in the trial.Debbie is goldproof in all respests.No misunderstanding of questions, good memory for things long past, a good grasp of Michaels skin & medical problems, working in tandem with Dr. Metzger. Also interesting that she mentioned the reasons for the worst medine.And a friendship that has lasted-past the words “till death do us part”.

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  72. Sina permalink
    August 21, 2013 5:10 am

    Thanks Helena and Team Michael and others for providing the transcripts, structuring them and highlighting important parts in the testimonies . It helps a lot in the cacophony.
    To me last week was a very depressing court week. I saw Michaels history rewritten , everyone washing their hands in innocence , testifying how great they were to Michael , how they took good care of him, what a great man, father, artist , humanitarian he was , but in the end it boiled down to blaming Michael for his debts, his poor earning prospects not to be able to take care of his children, his druguse /abuse/dependency , his health, for taking the risk of using deprivan/propofol, for his death.
    But records don’t lie and what is said and written in black and white will be there forever. Old time fans know realtime and not hindsite what went down in all the years we followed Michael.

    @ Mariam who asked why Randy Jackson is a witness for AEG : Everyone who is called by the defence and the plaintiff for that matter are called because they have the potential to support their case. That goes for Randy Jackson, Debbie Rowe, Karen Faye and the doctors. The strongest witness is the one who has first hand knowledge to corroborate the defendants strategy . This made Karen Faye, but more so Debbie Rowe, the perfect witness because she played different roles in Michaels life , clinical and nurse on tour , was there when he had addiction issues and went to rehab, married and got children for him and was actually involved and present the first time propofol was given to him. As a witness she is far more usefull to AEG than RJ, who as many stated only had second hand information from Grace regarding Michaels druguse and was in no way helpful for AEG to be called to the stand.
    Did she help AEG STRATEGY : absolutely
    How she helped them, I will not say , not going to help AEG.
    Did she help AEGs CASE : not much because she was not part of Michaels life for over a decade and you cannot just transplant what happened then to what his life was like in his last years.

    A few critical notes , strictly my opinion, based on the transcripts.
    Despite what Debbie Rowe says , Metzger doesn’t get a pass from me . He was the one she should have said NO to. He introduced Michael to the illusive sleep, setting a precedent for a treatment that should never have been used on anyone as many of the experts in the criminal trial said. The idea of bringing a whole operation equipment into a hotel room to keep someone on a 8 hours coma because the show must go on, we may have come to accept as normalcy in Michaels realm, but objectively speaking it is a horror movie for any human being.
    The fact that it was done professionally and with the necessary equipment and staff doesn’t make it less experimental re dr Shaffer. It gave Michael the false impression that as long as there are doctors and nurses involved it is all ok. Hence asking nurse Lee if she could help him out and trusting Murray with his life.
    I think there are too many excuses made for things that were out of the ordinary because it was Michael Jackson . If it is considered a NOGO for anyone else, it should have also been a NOGO for Michael Jackson.

    In that sense I agree that Michaels life is an epic lesson , sadly paid with his life.
    If one thing, since most of the rumors that followed him for years are now to a certain extend either debunked or confirmed, there is little left to guess or spin.
    So a great part of Michaels life story will be de-mystified, and hopefully help his mother and children to understand what was really going on . And no one can fabricate their own version of Michael Joe Jackson anymore.
    Michael had the intention , the fighting spirit and the means to overcome his struggles.
    But with all HIS good intentions, the more do gooders he had in his life the less his chances to survive.
    I have decided for myself to remember Michael as he was before it all started.
    .

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  73. Fuzzball2 permalink
    August 21, 2013 4:50 am

    I’m from France and it’s not easy to follow and understand this trial so I want to thank you ever so much for all your precious posts.
    Now for Debbie, It may be discussed but…Thanks God he met this woman one day ..no filter but a true friendship, and I think she was one of the few if the only…As for Michael, I admire him even more ( if possible !) what pains he endured, phisycally, emotionally; I totaly agree with Ms Chang and you, how did he manage to cope with vitiligo, lupus, scars (without forgetting the media, the trials ) and being this gentle, sweet soul, performing his heart out smiling, singing and dancing. I’m baffled,blown away and even more sad after those 4 years. What a lesson he gives me…
    I love you Michael Jackson and most of all I respect your dignity, your kindness, your humanitarism.
    You, so private about your life, now we learn a lot about it, you might be not very happy with this, but you were a Knight, you’re now a Master.

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  74. MagUK permalink
    August 21, 2013 2:37 am

    Hi Helena. Once again thankyou so much for keeping us fully informed and up to date.
    I was going to leave this comment on the previous post yesterday but got interrupted, and then this new post popped up, so perhaps it’s more apt here.

    It seems that the Pepsi accident was to set off a whole chain of events that would continue to affect MIchael’s life. Whilst we are only too aware of the emotional suffering he endured , none of us knew the true extent of his physical pain. If it’s possible I continue to admire him even more.than I already did.

    It’s strange how the truth comes out eventually. I don’t suppose any of the liars thought that Michael would ever be the subject of a trial such as this. The Murray trial exploded so many myths.. and this trial is giving us an even better reality of Michael’s life. Yes the media reporting is skewed , but the truth is being fully documented now, and everyone in that Courtroom, whatever the jury decides, will know the true story of Michael’s life.

    As for Debbie.. complete and unreserved admiration. Their marriage was belittled, and she is always portrayed as the woman who abandoned her children for money..It seems that she was one of the few reliable people who entered Michael’s life, and we know she will be there if Paris needs her.

    I have never had any doubts that Michael was a fantastic example of the best a human being could possibly aspire to be.

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  75. August 21, 2013 2:28 am

    HI All,

    Hope everyone is well. Sorry to be diverting from the topic at hand. But just posting the link to Tom Mesereau’s interview on King Jordan Radio : http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king/2013/08/21/michael-jacksons-

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  76. August 20, 2013 9:30 pm

    All I can say about Debbie Rowe is….God bless you for being such a true and devoted friend to Michael. She provided some of normality and “pedestrian” quality of life for him. Some may criticise, some may agree, but in the end, it was because of her deep love of this man that he realized his most precious dream–being a father. If you listen carefully to the words in “You Are My Life”, you’ll feel his sincere expression of gratefulness for his children:

    Now I wake up everyday
    With this smile upon my face
    No more tears, no more pain
    Cause you love me
    You help me understand
    That love is the answer to all that I am
    And I, I’m a better man
    Since you taught me by sharing your life

    I cannot imagine any juror not getting a genuine sense of what a truly special man Michael was (is!) after listening to Debbie’s testimony.

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