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“Father, Forgive Them; They Don’t Know What They Are Doing…”

The musical piece provided here is by Johann Sebastian Bach and is called “Air”. It is accompanied by a picture of  Moses who is desperate with his people who started praying to a Golden Calf while he was away carrying God’s commandments to them. The picture and music are dedicated to all those who also pray to the Golden Calf and are ready to lie about an innocent human being like Michael Jackson for money, fame, career or other reasons. 

November 21, 2009

It is a complete shame I hadn’t been among Michael Jackson’s supporters before he died. When all those awful allegations against him reached my part of the world in mid-90s I couldn’t withstand the general wave of mistrust towards Michael and half-believed the horrible rumors about him saying to myself that “there couldn’t be smoke without fire” and “if so many people think that way they can’t be all wrong about it”.

However the thought of a nice guy like that being probably involved in such a terrible crime was so uneasy and disquieting that I preferred to thrust it into the very back of my mind and forget about the whole thing until after he died.

The news of Michael’s death brought a sudden feeling of sadness and a renewed interest in his personality while the strange circumstances of his tragic demise made me read and watch whatever there was to read and watch about him at the time. The result of this little research was quite unexpected – the more Michael’s videos I saw and the more of his speeches and interviews I read, the surer was a terrible guess creeping into my mind – he was completely innocent…. to an extent we can’t even imagine…. how could we be that wrong …. what a shame on all our heads…. it’s almost like some 2000 years ago with that old story repeating itself……nothing changed, nothing learned…. is there a way to make up for it?

The feeling of guilt, remorse and a terrible harm which cannot be undone has gripped me every since and is unbearable to live with. So now you know the reason for this blog – these posts are just a humble attempt to repent and make up for all the injustice I personally did to Michael Jackson by half-believing those nonstop lies about him told by the bloodthirsty, money-craving, small-minded and completely delirious media about the man whom they did not take the trouble to really know and whose little finger they are not worthy of.

Besides the attempt to dissect lies about Michael and clear his name of all the dirt thrown at him in such a ruthless and shameless way this blog is also a kind of Michael’s memorabilia with all sorts of facts, evidences, testimonies, observations and opinions about him collected from various sources and provided by different people many of whom have come to appreciate this pure and innocent guy only after his untimely death.

The man we learned to admire and miss so late in our lives.

Vindicatemj (Helena), Russia

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P.S.

Besides my posts you will find here contributions from several other authors who come from various countries and wrote here at different periods of time:                          

  • Deborah Ffrench (UK)
  • Lacienegasmiles   (US)       
  • Lisa (US)
  • Lynande51  (US)                                                                    
  • Markoftheancients, MOA  (Sweden)               
  • Mona  (Romania)    
  • Sanemjfan   (US)    
  • Sara101mj  (US)     
  • Susannerb   (Germany)          
  • Thetis7  (Greece)       

March 14, 2014 update

A short announcement:

Susannerb (Germany) is now my co-administrator of this blog. She is very much welcome to write for it, but my main request to her is to serve as a sort of a custodian of the blog just in case I am unable to write here any more.

I am sure that she is very much capable of running the blog following the principles of justice, search for the truth and selflessness which have been guiding us all along.

 

1,079 Comments leave one →
  1. Laurel permalink
    July 6, 2016 5:47 am

    Thank you. Michael Jackson was a beautiful person.

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  2. November 22, 2015 2:14 pm

    “I think I also speak in the name of Helena when I confirm that we don’t want to be part of this emotional exchange between fan factions and that our only motivation here is to research the truth and defend Michael Jackson against all kinds of untrue allegations and speculations. We are neither interested in trashing fan groups nor in trashing those who worked for Michael or were in his inner circle during the various episodes in his life nor in trashing his family. The research here is based on facts and from these facts we draw our conclusions. And so our principles are not based on “fandom”, but on the truth and nothing but the truth.” – Susannerb

    Very well said, Susannerb. I subscribe to each of your words.

    “Though all the disheartening events and developments on our planet and in our countries often distract us because we are also committed to other causes, comments like yours encourage us to go on to vindicate Michael.”

    The events are indeed disheartening in this part of the world – and finding out the truth about them also takes some time, so posts about Michael have to be made in the midst of much anxiety and distress. In times like these even studying Sneddon’s tricks may be a kind of a relief. Never thought I would look at it this way.

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  3. November 22, 2015 12:04 pm

    “I am ashamed to admit that I did doubt MJ’s innocence when the second wave of allegations surfaced, and when he was acquitted, I was relieved, although I wondered if “there’s no smoke without fire”.” – pinkpumps

    There was a time when I myself doubted Michael’s innocence and after Michael’s death was deeply ashamed of it. Now I realize that the smear campaign was so massive, so long and so many people were involved in it that I don’t even know how those who believed in Michael’s innocence from the start of it managed to see through those lies.

    I am actually in awe with their capability to tell lies from the truth. Most probably it was Michael’s direct effect on them and their hearts speaking directly to each other.

    But my own conversion makes me believe that people are not lost to the truth. If you and I and others were able to pull through these lies, other Michael’s doubters are not hopeless either.

    Its quite disheartening to read other MJ blogs and forums, and see various fan groups thrashing each other out, strongly insisting that their stand is the only absolutely correct one. I am very surprised to find out that the MJ fan community is so divided today. Why can’t we agree to disagree, and stop putting each other down?

    I think that if everyone were busy untangling haters’ lies about Michael they would not have time for fighting each other. Their focus is simply misplaced.

    The VMJ website, together with only a very few decent others, really helps folks like me get a clue of what went on / what’s going on, and helps us form our own better informed opinions, without too much emotional negativity that I see elsewhere.

    Uncovering the truth in a situation Michael found himself in is like a criminal investigation, and an investigation is like scientific research. There isn’t very difference between the two – the methods are the same. And in science there is no place for emotional negativity. It is only the truth that matters.

    VMJ has gotten a new ”fan”

    Thank you, but I welcome you here not as a fan but as another truth-seeker. The more people look for the truth about Michael Jackson the sooner it will prevail.

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  4. susannerb permalink*
    November 19, 2015 2:22 pm

    @pinkpumps: Thank you very much for your encouraging comment. I think I also speak in the name of Helena when I confirm that we don’t want to be part of this emotional exchange between fan factions and that our only motivation here is to research the truth and defend Michael Jackson against all kinds of untrue allegations and speculations. We are neither interested in trashing fan groups nor in trashing those who worked for Michael or were in his inner circle during the various episodes in his life nor in trashing his family. The research here is based on facts and from these facts we draw our conclusions. And so our principles are not based on “fandom”, but on the truth and nothing but the truth.
    Helena’s tremendous work is a major service to MJ’s legacy and will hopefully be used in future by other researchers and truth-seekers to finally bring the whole truth to light.

    Though all the disheartening events and developments on our planet and in our countries often distract us because we are also committed to other causes, comments like yours encourage us to go on to vindicate Michael.

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  5. pinkpumps permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:10 am

    Hi Helena / Everyone else on the VMJ team!
    I chanced upon your blog about 2 months ago, and I reckon its time I stopped being a silent and passive reader.
    Thank you for all of your enormous efforts, time, patience and hard work, in continuing to keep the goal of this website very much alive, and maintaining an objective view throughout, supported by researching evidence, by studying facts.
    I am ashamed to admit that I did doubt MJ’s innocence when the second wave of allegations surfaced, and when he was acquitted, I was relieved, although I wondered if “there’s no smoke without fire”.
    Its quite disheartening to read other MJ blogs and forums, and see various fan groups thrashing each other out, strongly insisting that their stand is the only absolutely correct one. I am very surprised to find out that the MJ fan community is so divided today. Why can’t we agree to disagree, and stop putting each other down?
    The VMJ website, together with only a very few decent others, really helps folks like me get a clue of what went on / what’s going on, and helps us form our own better informed opinions, without too much emotional negativity that I see elsewhere. Folks like me – MJ fans who will always love and draw inspiration from his music and his interviews/speeches/quotes, yet not regularly checking if what is being reported by the media and self-proclaimed MJ experts, is true, often just brushing them off.
    I hope more of us silent readers will comment here, and I also hope you guys will keep going on, keep the faith!
    Once again, a very big thank you to all of you. Especially Helena. Your English’s great and your writings are organized, kudos to you!
    VMJ has gotten a new ”fan”, I will definitely check in regularly and try to comment more too.🙂
    Cheers!

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  6. November 5, 2015 4:19 pm

    “I’ve information but I need to give background for your understanding.[..] This said ,I know precisely where I was at the time just before Michael Jacksons death.” – gb

    Gb, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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  7. November 4, 2015 11:03 am

    I’ve information but I need to give background for your understanding ,

    ” The Art of Painting”
    Johannes Vermeer
    Year 1665-1668
    Type Oil on canvas
    Dimensions 130 cm × 110 cm (51 in × 43 in)
    Location Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna

    “Madonna and Child with St John and Angels”
    (The Manchester Madonna)
    circa 1497
    Tempera on panel
    105 cm × 76 cm (41 in × 30 in)
    National Gallery, London

    This goes with the post that follows
    1668 – 1497 = 171
    2015 – 1668 = 347
    2015 – 1497 = 518

    171 + 347 = 518
    11. 7. 58
    7. 34. 1

    The paintings have “LV” & “LKV”
    If Vanna White was turning the letters ,I’d of guessed “LAKE VILLA”
    Roman Numerals
    54 LIV

    55 LV

    56 LVI

    57 LVII

    58 LVIII

    This said ,I know precisely where I was at the time just before Michael Jacksons death .

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  8. August 27, 2014 4:40 pm

    Susanne, thank you very much for the reference to Allforlove blog – the posts are excellent overviews providing a wealth of information for thought and analysis. I highly recommend both: http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9377 (part 1) http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9426 (part 2)

    I have to admit that due to the devilish war now being waged by our regime I couldn’t follow very closely the developments around Robson and Safechuck, and Raven’s posts together with the follow-up comments provided to me an excellent update.

    Dear friends, I also have something to say about these allegations but am afraid that some details will be still left uncovered by me. So once I write on the subject please correct me or add everything you have to say on it.

    This is probably the first time I ask me readers to help me with collecting and updating the information on the Robson & Safechuck gang as I myself have fallen terribly behind.

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  9. susannerb permalink*
    August 25, 2014 1:50 pm

    Another quote of part 2 which refers to our own experiences here on this blog:

    “But first, I would like to address the psychological mindset of a Michael Jackson hater, and in particular, the mindset of this rather small but highly organized group that is directly responsible for much of the current smear campaign against Michael. How does one even begin to explain why so much obsessive hatred is, again, directed toward one individual? While these people will mock MJ fans for the excessive amount of time they devote to discussing and researching MJ, it is clearly obvious that they are devoting just as much (in fact, even double and triple) that amount of time to Michael Jackson. Indeed, so great is their passion that they put up entire websites and facebook pages dedicated to this cause. They spend countless hours stalking fansites-even posing as fans-going undercover; they obsessively follow all news of MJ; they spam every article related to him, especially those that have unmoderated comments; they often bully and harass fans on social media. However, there is a particular sub group who are even more dangerous and devious in their tactics, since they will also regularly bully Michael’s friends, family, and supporters.”

    And this quote of part 2 states exactly what we said all along:

    “…when we look at this latest cast of characters in the Wade Robson/Jimmy Safechuck saga, it’s interesting to note that just like with the “big, happy” family that grew out of the ashes of the Arvizo case, we are seeing a coagulation of many of the same names and faces who are banding together. In the coming months, we are no doubt going to see this new “family” joining ranks to spread lies and false or misleading information. There is already evidence that Mike Par and his Aussie bud Dylan Howard are working together to create falsified articles (for sure, he is getting “tip offs” of these articles long before they appear in print).”

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  10. susannerb permalink*
    August 25, 2014 1:42 pm

    Guys, thank you very much for your recent comments and for your contributions and constant support.
    Helena and me are very sorry that we are not able to write on the blog at the moment because of personal difficulties and hardships we have to go through. In my case it’s illness and the death of my father that has kept me away from the blog, in Helena’s case it’s the ongoing problems in her home country that makes it hard for her to concentrate on new posts. We hope very much that the times will soon change for the better and give us the opportunity to make new efforts to defend Michael.

    But while we couldn’t address the latest events on this blog, our fellow MJ advocate Raven of AFLB did a lot of important research and wrote an excellent piece on the current conspiracy against Michael Jackson. So let me refer you to the two parts of her latest post and thank her for this great job. I highly recommend to read them:

    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9377 (part 1)
    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=9426 (part 2)

    This is one quote from part 2:

    “It has already been well established that most of Michael Jackson’s enemies are actually a very small but intimate group. That part is no longer a theory. In 2005, The Veritas Project established a firm and undeniable connection between Michael’s accusers, prosecutor Tom Sneddon, and all the various individuals who were playing a hand either in directly bringing about the allegations or in smearing Michael’s name in the media.
    Since then, many astute Michael Jackson researchers have carried the seminal Veritas Project further to establish the very intimate connections between Michael’s accusers, their attorneys and respective therapists, as well as Tom Sneddon, Diane Dimond, and a small host of former friends-turned-enemies. What has been well proven by this research is that the tangled web of relationships between Michael Jackson’s enemies goes well beyond the professional level. Indeed, these people are intimate friends who “stick together” and have one another’s backs. They attend one another’s weddings, birthday parties, and conduct themselves in every respect as long and trusted family friends. This point has by now been so well established that they don’t even bother trying to hide it anymore. Diane Dimond wrote openly and gloatingly about attending Gavin Arvizo’s wedding. Prosecuting attorney Ron Zonen gushes at seminars about what a fine, upstanding, young Christian man Gavin Arvizo has turned out to be, making it no secret in the process that he obviously keeps in regular touch. Diane Dimond and self-proclaimed Jackson family “friend” Stacy Brown can both be found on their respective Twitter accounts, coyly “wink winking” at each other as they openly strategize, pat each other on the backs, and defend each other against “those crazy MJ fans.” Time and again, photos surface of various members of this “happy family” at some personal occasion, toasting each other with gleeful smiles. Mind you, these are not in most cases private photos, but rather, photos they have purposely and brazenly made public as if to rub it in that, yes, they are all best buds; yes, they stick together, and yes, they are united in one very big, common purpose-the destruction of one individual, namely Michael Joseph Jackson. And that furthermore, they don’t care if Michael Jackson fans know it.”

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  11. Jan permalink
    August 25, 2014 11:52 am

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  12. Louise permalink
    August 19, 2014 2:19 pm

    Hey! I wrote a comment about this hater blog that made me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence (not anymore) but I recently found out that the writer of the blog is nothing but a joke. Lol, you don’t have to answer me (if you don’t want to) I don’t want to take your time. You’ve got better things to do than to expose these little jokes with too much time on their hands! XXX

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  13. August 16, 2014 5:30 am

    ——————-.Helena, wikileaks does not come up anymore. Try
    “HeavensTaskForce:Tamoil”. And also “The story of Michael Jackson,Thome,Tom Barrack.”It is some of what was previously on Wkileaks.

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  14. August 14, 2014 2:08 pm

    “Some remnants of wikileaks and Assange state that T.Barrack is behind everything that happened to Michael.” – wkatriina22

    Katrina, I would appreciate it very much if you could provide some more details about it.

    And thank you Helena for giving the blog attention.I understand it can´be easy for you these days.

    Actually I have abandoned it for quite a long time but couldn’t help it. The situation in my country is indescribable.
    And nothing can be more important now than averting a big war. We wouldn’t be Michael Jackson’s fans if we didn’t try.

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  15. newrodrigo permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:55 am

    Stacy Brown at his absolute shittiest finest.

    This is all old news. He’s just compiling this trash to attack Michael, yet again.

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/10/michael-jacksons-ex-maids-reveal-madness-at-neverland/

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  16. July 31, 2014 3:34 pm

    ——————-Sorry susannerby for my inattention and mistake.
    The 29th has some very personal significance for me. We have had a heatwave rendering people almost paralysed, sick and housebound.
    To more relevant matters; with Neverland sold a circle is closed.
    Some remnants of wikileaks and Assange state that T.Barrack is behind everything that happened to Michael. Supervised work with micromanagement. Addiction to money and wealth can be deadly for neighbours. Also that TT was MJ´s unofficial manager during his, ie Michaels, sc vagabond existance. I am still puzzled why he announced Michaels death at the hospital press conference. He went over to Sky news after AEG. And TT was close, if not even in T. Barracks employ.
    And thank you Helena for giving the blog attention.I understand it can´be easy for you these days.

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  17. July 31, 2014 1:18 pm

    “We.I miss you so much Helena.For almost 5 years you have led this blog” – t(wkatrina22)

    Katrina, I am very sorry for coming to the blog seldom these days – really sorry about it. The overall situation in my place is so horrible that the moment I wake up I rush to check the news in Ukraine and the way it is reported in Russia. My goal is of course to learn the truth and find out in which direction the situation is going.

    After every possible check-up I invariably find that the Russian media is telling horrible lies, but 85% of the people here unfortunately believe them. When ALL official media outlets lie, it doesn’t occur to people that they are being presented a totally different reality and are forced to live a parallel world. And with so many lies told to them 24/7 the prospects of their seeing the truth are very bleak I would say.

    In very many ways it reminds me of the lies told about Michael Jackson and the immoral brainwashing of the public done by the media for so many years. And it was also so “successful” that people began to believe even the blood baths stories about him!

    A similar immoral information war is being waged in Russia now. Unfortunately it works so well that even Ukrainian families split between the two countries cannot find common language with each other. We are turning into North and South Korea, I am afraid.

    But as soon as I can I will return to the blog. Michael has made me what I am now and the moment he needs me I will be back. He probably needs me somewhere else at the moment.

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  18. susannerb permalink*
    July 31, 2014 9:18 am

    t (@wkatriina22): Sorry, Michael’s birthday is on August 29, so you just mixed the months July and August.
    We need to wait one more month to see what’s going to happen on his birthday.

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  19. July 30, 2014 6:23 am

    ——————–
    We.I miss you so much Helena.For almost 5 years you have led this blog.Yesterday it was Michaels birthday and nothing about it, no celebrations, no nasty CNN interviews.Michael was an ambassador of the World for piece and love.And lets hope this will come to pass.

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  20. July 23, 2014 3:42 am

    “However there are also a lot of (hater) blogs who seem pretty truthful as well, for example this one: xxxxxxxxxxx I must admit that blog did make me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence. The owner of the blog stated that Michael Jackson was an animal abuser and a person who only was interested in boys. …I hope you will respond to me!” -Louise

    Louise, your post was caught by a spam filter for which I am thankful because I wouldn’t like the links to those haters’ sites to be propagated here. Now your post has been released from the spam, but without the two links to a MJ slanderer which you provided.

    As to answering you I will, only I need some time to pull myself together after the Malaysian aircraft disaster. For the past few days I’ve been looking only through information related to that crash as I wanted to make sure if my thoughts about it were correct. I am afraid they are.

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  21. Louise permalink
    July 21, 2014 3:27 pm

    Hey, first of all I like to thank you for your amazing work. This blog truely helped me to find out the truth about Michael Jackson. However there are also a lot of (hater) blogs who seem pretty truthful as well, for example this one: xxxxxxxxxxx I must admit that blog did make me second-guess Michael Jackson’s innocence. The owner of the blog stated that Michael Jackson was an animal abuser and a person who only was interested in boys. This is what the blogger wrote to me:

    As for your other blather: As you’ll see in this post xxxxxxxxx, when the police who raided Neverland Ranch in 2003, they found a note from Marie Nicole (nickname “Renia” and “Renico”) to Jacko where she called herself a “stupid girl” who couldn’t be his “baby”, sleep with him, and be in the Applehead Club because she was a girl. Click the link and read for yourself.

    Why the hell would I bother making that up? Marie-Nicole Cascio probably does have fond memories of Jacko but that doesn’t change the fact there is documented proof via her letter to Jacko where she states she was a victim of his “boys over girls” philosophy.

    Jane Goodall said Bubbles was beaten under Jacko’s watch back in March 2014: http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/14/jane-goodall-michael-jackson-bubbles-beaten-abused/ Her confession there only confirms other reports, such as the fact Jacko used to poke him with pens and had shaved his hindquarters for laughs (see Christopher Andersen’s biography “Michael Jackson Unauthorized”). He never visited Bubbles after he’d given him up.

    Again, it is also documented fact he threw rocks at his caged lion to get him to roar, something that was brought up during his trial, a little fact Mesereau tried to clean up by suggesting the rocks were “small” ones, as though the difference mattered. The rocks were big enough to cause the lion to react!

    Why would I say Jacko was an animal abuser if he wasn’t? No, he objectified animals and had them around like accessories so that he’d appeal to children. He tossed them aside when he no longer found them interesting. (It has also been reported that he illegally bought and kept exotic animals to maintain his private zoo: http://books.google.com/books?id=DRcAAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA17&dq=oprah%20winfrey%20zoo%20michael%20jackson&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false) Everything to keep the boys coming to Neverland…

    Two pedophile-edited books “The Boy” and “Boys Will Be Boys” were found back in 1993. Again all of this is documented in the trial testimony of Rosibel Furrifino, who said the books were in a locked filing cabinet in Jacko’s bedroom. Also found was a naked photograph of Jonathan Spence. http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdf

    I hope you will respond to me!

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  22. July 18, 2014 3:40 pm

    ——————-
    Whoever wants to look for the truth about Michael should read this blog. Murray is just dangling an imaginary treasure to lure inreviewers and journalists to find out “secrets”.

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  23. July 18, 2014 3:28 pm

    “But somehow recently I got curious to look more into that history. The info on this blog certainly helped to confirm my initial intuition that MJ was innocent and one of the last people in the world who would abuse a child.” – Cheryl

    Cheryl, sorry for the late reply. I’m happy that the information in this blog confirmed what your intuition was telling you. Intuition seldom lies.

    There was a time when I also questioned Michael’s innocence. I wish I had never doubted him – but on the other hand it was this doubt that started me on this research. One thing sprang from the other and this is the strangest part of it. Now I feel like I’ve known him for decades.

    I welcome you on your own journey of discovering Michael Jackson.

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  24. Cheryl permalink
    May 26, 2014 2:36 am

    I just want to thank you for your work to present the real facts related to the allegations about Michael Jackson. All along I had thought the accusations seemed bogus and he was very likely innocent but I had not really looked into the details. Although I have enjoyed Michael’s music and dance since I was a kid and also admired his contributions to humanitarian causes, I am not like a huge fan who kept up with everything that went on. But somehow recently I got curious to look more into that history. The info on this blog certainly helped to confirm my initial intuition that MJ was innocent and one of the last people in the world who would abuse a child. And it is sickening how he was (and still is after death!) a target for people motivated by money, fame, sensationalism and spite.

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  25. May 13, 2014 6:34 pm

    @Rodrigo,

    Thank you for your insight on the ever changing WR story which will now include JS. I had not thought of them tailoring story so there is no need to bring forth any kind of concrete evidence which can be measured, test or verified..

    Posted your closing paragraph on FB with link back to VMJ and this particular topic.

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  26. May 13, 2014 6:23 pm

    Despite being fluent in English the expression; get your head around it has been used now and then in this blog.I cannot claim to totally understand it´s meaning,though I have some intuituive grasp of what it could be.Based onthat I would say that to this day I cannot get my head around the AEG trial and verdict. No dictionary or Wiki is of real help.Om wiki I saw the following statements;Thus search for evidence of a hypothesis is likely to succeed.One illustration of this is the way the phrasing of a question can significantly change the answer.
    Everybody who followed the trial knows what I refer to.There were ofcourse also other unusual turns in the proceedings.I am returning to this issue as that trial was so close to the limits of the absurd.

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  27. Sina permalink
    May 13, 2014 3:53 pm

    Its not rocket science that WRs case would be bolstered by former accusers and former friends., Every body wants a piece of the cake they think Michael owes them .Nothing new. Michael went through a long grueling trial because of the Arvizos, was found not guilty on every single count in a worldwide broadcasted verdict. Yet there are still people who think he was guilty ,even in the Arvizo case and before WR popped up. At this point it is up to the justice system to pass judgement and to the estate executors to make a strong case against the accusers. Fans are not in a position to do anything that can help the case. The only thing that will be taken seriously is the outcome in court.not a fanmade documentary. Best is we keep the focus on the positive instead of bringing more attention to the negative.
    To the public the novelty of the accusations is wearing off, they will catch the hype and quickly move on to the next. Unfortunately it is the fans who will keep it going..

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  28. susannerb permalink*
    May 13, 2014 1:14 pm

    This is exactly what we expected, we knew something is in the works that would come out as soon as there is a suitable opportunity, like in this case the release of the Exscape album which is promoted worldwide very successfully. And this time DD took it in her own hands.
    The method is very transparent, and meanwhile we can make a long list of negative news that are published exactly at a time when something positive or important is about to happen for MJ. We already saw it on November 18, 2003, when Sneddon executed his Neverland raid the day Michael’s Number Ones album was released, and the same thing happened again yesterday. They act in a perfectly clear way.

    Helena wrote her last 3 posts because we felt that we will see new allegations soon. This is what she wrote in one of them:
    “What is there in common between Conrad Murray seen together with Janet Jackson’s former husband, questions about FBI files and Michael Jackson’s “victims being afraid of speaking out”, and a certain Paul Barresi recently calling Michael a “serial molester” in a comment in this blog?
    The correct answer is that all these factors point to a new thunderous lie to be soon told about Michael Jackson.
    The lie will be about his “victims” who were previously unwilling to speak out but have suddenly “remembered it all” and are not longer afraid to tell the “truth”.

    You will ask how Conrad Murray seen in the company of Janet Jackson’s ex-husband comes into all this? Well, this is easy – Murray was apparently interviewing him about Michael’s child friends and their parents.
    These plans of Michael’s vilifiers are the reason why I took the vicious remark made in this blog on April 1st by someone called Paul Barresi quite seriously.
    It doesn’t matter whether the commentator was indeed Paul Barresi or someone who only used his name in order to spread heinous lies about MJ – the point is that these people are already probing ground for their lie and even put their finger on a person who may be one of the key players in the game.”

    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/barresi-and-michael-jackson-fbi-files-part-1/

    P.S. Great idea, Michael Moore,but where are the influential people in America who could form this support group to stand up for one of their icons?

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  29. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:10 pm

    P.S. Since the WM3 case only really exploded thanks to the Paradise Lost documentaries, a similar film could also help to be a rallying cry around the battle to affirm Michael’s innocence. Such a film would focus primarily around the Chandler and Arvizo cases, with mention of the Francia and newly emerging Robson/Safechuck thing, and of course a general focus on the press’ history of vilifying Michael since the 1980s, refusing to ever understand him. For making such a film, the best candidate would be Alex Gibney, who has become known as “becoming the most important documentary filmmaker of our time.” His past works include “Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room (About the accounting fraud at Enron)”, “Taxi To The Dark Side (About the state-sponsored torture condoned by the U.S. during the War on Terror)”, “Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House Of God (About the Vatican sex abuse scandal)”, “We Steal Secrets: The Story Of WikiLeaks (about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks)”, and “The Armstrong Lie (About Lance Armstrong’s lifelong effort to conceal his use of performance enhancing drugs, the lives he destroyed, and cycling as a whole in that period)”.

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  30. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:57 pm

    Yes, that is another odd coincidence. (BTW, I mostly prefer the original versions on the deluxe edition over the “contemporized” ones, especially in the case of “Xscape”.”) It’s much like how the Arvizo case exploded when the Number Ones album was released. But like I said, it’s time to fight back with some firepower of our own. A clear model is the support during the West Memphis Three case. As many of you probably already know, the reason that Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley, Jr. ended up convicted for the killing of three Cub Scouts, a crime it was clear they had nothing to do with, was due to the “Satanic panic” and the same fear of differences that hounded Michael throughout his life. The three young men eventually ended up released from prison due to the groundswell of support after the Paradise Lost films were broadcast on HBO, and online support groups sprung up. Celebrities such as Eddie Vedder, Henry Rollins, Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks, Metallica, Johnny Depp, and Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson also helped with their support and campaigning on behalf of them, especially in helping fund the DNA tests that showed they were innocent. Of course, the state of Arkansas only let them go after negotiating an Alford plea (plead guilty in court but allowed to state innocence in public) so that the state would be absolved of responsibility for wrongful imprisonment and avoid a civil lawsuit, thus the 3 still have the convictions on their record. But this support group is what enabled them to get this far in the first place. Clearly, Michael’s good name needs a support group like that, to snuff out these allegations and innuendos once and for all. All we need to do is get it together.

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  31. TatumMarie permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:45 pm

    I knew the press would be on some bs story once Michael’s new album would come out. Tmz is following the Jimmy whatever.

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  32. Michael Moore permalink
    May 13, 2014 12:37 pm

    Unfortunately, that’s very much the truth. Robson and Safechuck were clearly influenced by the results of the AEG case, saw the potential in a settlement, and have made these claims, turned on by the allure of filthy lucre. Of course, Diane Dimond and her ilk are gloating over this development, saying “now that 5 people have accused him, you delusional fools who have defended him don’t have a leg to stand on anymore! Besides, it’s a matter of time until Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman and so on speak up to let their stories be heard, and Prince, Paris and Blanket write Mommie Dearest-style books to expose how they were mistreated!” It sickens me very much to hear them say such vile blanket statements about us and Michael, like we’re some kind of parasite that needs to be stamped out. Clearly, the time has come to fight back. If this bogus suit goes to trial or ends up settled out of court, then the battle to vindicate Michael has already been lost.

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  33. Rodrigo permalink
    May 12, 2014 7:07 pm

    Not sure if it’s authenticated or not.

    Jimmy Safechuck was the kid in the Pepsi commercials with Michael during the late 80’s.

    And I like it how he’s using the same excuse as Robson – understanding and remembering the abuse during therapy sessions.
    All this is carefully crafted so they’ll avoid trouble for defending and denying Michael harmed them in the past.

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  34. TatumMarie permalink
    May 12, 2014 5:11 pm

    Is this story authenticated? Who is Jimmie Safechuck again?

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  35. Michael Moore permalink
    May 12, 2014 1:53 pm

    Looks like we have a problem. Jimmy Safechuck has made the decision to join in Wade Robson’s phony lawsuit and be listed as a co-plaintiff. Now Diane Dimond is gloating “And then there were five” and predicting that everyone is now gonna turn on Michael and sue him. She’s also using the quote by someone from a survivor’s network and the fact that it takes 20+ years before something is done to justify the fact that it’s happening now, when Michael is dead and can no longer defend himself. She also uses a quote from Tom Sneddon’s assistant at the end to further justify it, saying something along the lines of “the dominoes will continue to fall, and soon Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman and so on will join the allegations.” It’s on the Daily Beast, so look at it.

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  36. April 25, 2014 4:52 pm

    “I plan to read your whole blog! :)”

    Abstractsunflower, you are very much welcome to. Please remember that it was a sort of an on-line investigation and each new post was adding something new to what we had known before. So the best way to read them is the chronological order. And don’t forget about the comments. The comments here are very often like full-time articles.

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  37. April 25, 2014 1:57 am

    I am so happy to have come across your blog! There is so much information out there which shows Michael’s innocence, but it’s not as easy to find as the stuff that suggests his guilt, and I love that someone has put so much effort in to put it all in one place. I plan to read your whole blog! 🙂

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  38. April 18, 2014 11:14 pm

    Hi. I’ve got something in my mind that can be food for thought, concerning the WR case. I am a hypnotherapist, new in that field, but still one. I have learned that unscrupulous psychologists, psychotherapists or hypnotherapists could implant false memories into , temporary or not, vulnerable or highly suggestible mind. One case you could find on internet is the one of Holly Ramona, who was a young woman with some kind of disorders who, pushed by her mother, went to see a marriage and family therapist. To make the story short, the latter ended up by making her believe that her disorder originated from her father sexually abusing her when little and that she had repressed that memory. The young woman ended up suing her father, and the court jury found that the methods used were of malpractice. It could never be proven that there had been sexual abuse, though. Trouble is that if new idea is implanted into the subconscious mind, the subject is totally convinced of its truth. Being a hypnotherapist now, I can say that the only way to know is for WR to make a counter hypnotherapy session to find out the truth and remove false memories, if any.
    Therefore, I am wondering, one, had WR gone through a difficult psychological period, prior to his declaration? Two, If yes, it would be interesting to know if he visited psy of some sorts and check that psy’s background, if this has not been done. If the source is known for shady practice or for influencing his clients, WR could be encouraged to have a counter hypnosis session to confirm or cancel those memories of so called abuses. Just an idea

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  39. March 31, 2014 12:37 pm

    Another great piece of news is that we are in for a new album of Michael Jackson’s music out on May 13.

    XSCAPE-Long Awaited New Music From Michael Jackson
    Out On Epic Records May 13
    Epic Chief L.A. Reid Teams Up With Top Producers To “Contemporize” Songs From Iconic Artist’s Archive

    NEW YORK, March 31, 2014 /PRNewswire/ — On May 13, Epic Records, in conjunction with the Estate of Michael Jackson, will release XSCAPE, an album of new music by the internationally beloved music icon and King of Pop, Michael Jackson. The project features eight new tracks, which the world will be hearing for the very first time on the new album. For the ultimate fan experience, XSCAPE will also be available in a Deluxe Edition, which includes all of the sourced Michael Jackson recordings in their original form. The XSCAPE standard and Deluxe Edition’s are available for pre-order beginning April 1 on iTunes.com/MichaelJackson and elsewhere, and available at all retailers worldwide on May 13.

    XSCAPE is executive produced by Epic Records Chairman and CEO L.A. Reid, who, after an initial mining of Jackson’s archives by the Estate, was granted unlimited access to the treasures representing four decades of material on which Jackson had completed his vocals.

    Reid curated the final list of recordings to deliver to the producers, who retooled the production to add a fresh, contemporary sound that retains Jackson’s essence and integrity. It’s a process Reid calls “contemporizing.” The album’s lead producer, Timbaland was one of a handful of producers Reid believed had the gravitas, depth and range to creatively engage with Jackson’s work. Additional producers include global hitmakers Rodney Jerkins, Stargate, Jerome “Jroc” Harmon and John McClain.

    “Modern music and artistry would look and sound completely different if not for the groundbreaking contributions Michael Jackson gifted to the world,” remarked L.A. Reid. “Michael left behind some musical performances that we take great pride in presenting through the vision of music producers that he either worked directly with or expressed strong desire to work with. We are extremely proud and honored to present this music to the world.”

    The title of this album honors Michael’s album naming process. He always chose a song from the album to name his projects and, beginning with THRILLER, used only one word titles, each with an edgy quality to them. This is true of the new project. Written by Michael Jackson and Jerkins, and produced by Jackson and Jerkins, “Xscape” has further significance in that it is the one track on the album that was ‘contemporized’ by the producer who recorded it originally in the studio with Michael.

    John Branca and John McClain, co-executors of the Estate of Michael Jackson said, “Michael was always on the cutting edge and was constantly reaching out to new producers, looking for new sounds. He was always relevant and current. These tracks, in many ways, capture that spirit. We thank L.A. Reid for his vision.”

    XSCAPE is a long awaited collection of exciting new music that will thrill the legions of fans of one of the world’s most revered and best-selling artists, as well as attract a whole new generation discovering his artistry for the first time. In conjunction with the release of XSCAPE, Epic / Sony Music will launch an unprecedented global campaign with the One Sony sister companies, Sony Corporation, Sony Mobile Communications, and Sony Network Entertainment International drawing from all of Sony’s strengths and consumer reach.

    “Michael has long been a treasured member of the larger Sony family,” said Kazuo Hirai, President and CEO, Sony Corporation. “Starting with the release of ‘Off The Wall’ in 1979, Sony Music Entertainment has since released all of Michael’s recordings. We are thrilled and privileged to be collaborating as One Sony to celebrate Michael’s latest legacy, and bringing his fans an exclusive experience through our upcoming initiatives with our products and services.”

    More news about Michael Jackson’s upcoming album will be revealed in the coming weeks. Keep visiting http://www.michaeljackson.com for new details.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/xscape-long-awaited-new-music-from-michael-jackson-253182181.html

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  40. March 31, 2014 11:15 am

    Guys, we have great news from Deborah Kunesh. Her Reflections on the Dance blog has now published ALL TRANSCRIPTS from the 2005 trial: http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/trialtranscripts.html.

    This is a moment we’ve been waiting for a long time and now we HAVE THEM!

    I”ve already added the link to the blogroll on the right-hand side and will try to place it closer to the top now.

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  41. Linda permalink
    March 13, 2014 10:28 pm

    If someone is writing there something not in line with what is expected of them, the whole wordpress may be closed for us, including me. This is why let me inform you that I’ve nominated another administrator for this blog – Susannerb – who will run it parallel to me.

    Always good to have a backup plan. I guess we should always think before we post something, since nothing is really private.

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  42. March 13, 2014 4:12 pm

    “The few honest journalist’s like the ones you mentioned have my respect. It’s gotta be really hard for them right now to stand up for what is right.” – Linda

    Linda, there is less and less possibility to stand up for what is right with every new minute. The events are developing so quickly that you don’t know what will happen in just half an hour. Tonight some Internet resources have been blocked here. One of them is the social network “Live Journal”:

    It was reported on Thursday evening that Rostelecom has blocked access to the whole of «Live journal». When you try to enter the site, you receive the following message: «We apologize, but access to the requested resource is limited.”

    Earlier, the representative of «Rostelecom» said that the operator is not technically able to block only some web pages, so it blocks the whole resource by its IP address. http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/23949151/roskomnadzor-trebuet-zablokirovat-blog-alekseya-navalnogo-za

    I’m providing this news here because theoretically the same can be done to those of us who are writing on wordpress too. If someone is writing here something not in line with what is expected of them, the whole wordpress may be closed for us, including me.

    This is why I’ve nominated another administrator for this blog – Susannerb – who will run it together with me.

    She is very much welcome to write posts here if she wants to but this is absolutely not expected of her. I hope that she will be able to at least preserve the blog as it is, just in case I am suddenly cut off. I hope it doesn’t happen but these days no one can really know.

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  43. Linda permalink
    March 12, 2014 10:45 pm

    There are so many facts of Michael’s innocence that it is impossible – I repeat IMPOSSIBLE – for the media not to notice them

    You know Helena I have a hard time even looking at the front pages of the papers at the super market any more. I always knew they lied but the Michael story showed me just how desperate they are to make up stories, and the main stream news is no better. I would never have dreamed the media could sink so low if it wasn’t for studying Michael.

    That has taught me you can’t even know what your own country is doing anymore because it all comes through the media. The few honest journalist’s like the ones you mentioned have my respect. It’s gotta be really hard for them right now to stand up for what is right.
    They’re a minority and don’t you know, besides their own needs , they have a lot of people telling them to give it up and just go with the flow. They’re under a lot of pressure from every direction.

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  44. March 12, 2014 2:13 pm

    “We do whatever we can and “When we’ve done all to stand, STAND therefore”. When we’ve done all we can, all that’s left is to stand and keep the faith.” – Linda

    Yes, Linda, this seems to be the point. I mean not just standing aside and just relying on God. But first doing and trying everything you can and when there is nothing else left wait for God to have his final say. Actually Michael always behaved like that and this is why we love him so much.

    You know, this time of trouble is showing the true worth of people very well. A huge mass of journalists here have fallen into the most despicable and disgusting conformism and servitude, but on the other hand some… oh some are displaying nothing less than heroism. Today news came that the editor-in-chief of an Internet Russian media outlet Lenta.ru was dismissed (naturally for political reasons) and its 69 journalists called it a direct pressure on the newspaper and refused to work under the new leadership.

    In their letter they say:

    «Some media outlets have been closed, others will close in the near future. The trouble is not that we won’t have a place to work. The trouble is that you will have nothing more to read. We certainly expected someone to come after us. [But] we believe that this is not forever. In any case, you, dear readers, should know about it. Hope to meet you soon. Your editorial staff».

    This move means that all of them are quitting their jobs. I am rarely proud of my people but this time I am. These journalists are doing it for the sake of truth and truth alone though all of them have families and children to feed.

    And against this background it is absolutely disgusting to see your tabloid and mainstream journalists sitting in much comfort and refusing to tell just a word of truth about Michael Jackson.

    I don’t believe that they don’t know the truth about Michael and have nothing to say here. There are so many facts of Michael’s innocence that it is impossible – I repeat IMPOSSIBLE – for the media not to notice them. And a true investigative journalist could find a multitude of sensations if he/she only started digging up the history of allegations against Michael or the shameful way Tom Sneddon was persecuting him.

    But these people value their salaries and comfort much more than the truth, and prefer to either keep silence or repeat what they are being told by whoever is guiding the policy of their newspapers. These journalists risk nothing but just a little bit of their comfort, but even that little they are not ready to sacrifice for the sake of the truth.

    Despicable cowards.

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  45. Linda permalink
    March 11, 2014 11:12 pm

    @Isaura Vazquez-Reid PERMALINK
    March 11, 2014 10:02 am
    Last week I went to my Dr. because for the very first time my blood pressure was high – answer – I worry too much,

    An interesting point just to show you how fast blood pressure can react to stimuli. I was talking to a nurse who was going through a bad time with a boyfriend. I was having a similar problem so we were both talking about our heartache. When she got around to taking my blood pressure it was really high surprising me.

    She looked thoughtful for a moment then said, “I wonder if our conversation had an effect on it.” So we talked about something pleasant for a few minutes, took it again and it was back down. SO, that fast, talking or thinking about something disturbing can push it up. As soon as we realize we are having negative thoughts we need to take control of our mind and get rid of it. A life time of habits are a struggle to break, but I’m working on it.

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  46. Linda permalink
    March 11, 2014 10:58 pm

    – and realizing that God has no other hands but ours and there may simply be no tomorrow if each of us doesn’t do his/her little bit. The only thing I can do is hug you and cry on your shoulder.

    I agree Helena. We do whatever we can and “When we’ve done all to stand, STAND therefore”. When we’ve done all we can, all that’s left is to stand and keep the faith. Nothing happens without a reason. We are in a warfare, good versus evil. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. I read the end of the book and we win.

    Hugs back to you, and you can cry on my shoulder any time you need to. We’re all here for you and keeping you in our prayer’s. I pray right now for your strength and faith to continue. May God keep you and give you peace in your heart.

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  47. Isaura Vazquez-Reid permalink
    March 11, 2014 10:02 am

    Very wise choice, there are things that we can not control, and the only thing we can do is pray and pray – Last week I went to my Dr. because for the very first time my blood pressure was high – answer – I worry too much, after some advice from my Dr. and no medication I now have a normal blood pressure again and trying to be more patient and not to worry so much – here like you said is the perfect place to be L.O.V.E

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  48. March 11, 2014 7:17 am

    Sounds like you’re getting a grip and thinking in the right direction. Times like these we have to just put things in God’s hands and not worry and fret over things we can’t control, but look to him for the best outcome, and if we trust in him we can’t worry about it, right? Love from Michigan, USA

    Linda, thank you very much for your words of wisdom. I wish I could be that wise. But I am alternately going between the need to stay calm and trusting God in His ways – and realizing that God has no other hands but ours and there may simply be no tomorrow if each of us doesn’t do his/her little bit.

    Unfortunately I can’t do even my little bit now as the comments on the remaining few independent newspapers I know have been switched off. So probably returning to my articles about Michael – started and then dropped – will be a sort of a healing for me. Otherwise one can simply go mad here.

    The only thing I can do is hug you and cry on your shoulder.

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  49. Linda permalink
    March 10, 2014 10:36 pm

    For some reason now I know that all of us should stay calm, stop making angry moves (I’m talking of myself) and give the one who started it all the rope he needs. What he started will be his own ruin. Probably not now, but eventually yes.This is why I returned to my family – which is HERE – feeling among you much better than among some of my hysterical compatriots.This is indeed the territory of love, and I love you very much.

    Gee, I wish I had thought to say all that to you, lol. Sounds like you’re getting a grip and thinking in the right direction. Times like these we have to just put things in God’s hands and not worry and fret over things we can’t control, but look to him for the best outcome, and if we trust in him we can’t worry about it, right?

    Love from Michigan, USA

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  50. March 9, 2014 2:57 pm

    “You came through both times Helena. These are scary times indeed. My mind goes back to the days when America and Russia were enemies. I hope that doesn’t happen again, and I pray all turns out well for all your people. I will always be glad to call you friend. We’re all just individuals no matter what country we were born in.” – Linda

    Dear friends, thank you for your words of wisdom in so troublesome a time. I’ve been reading and reading, and reading everything I could about the situation in Ukraine and Crimea, and was clashing with those who are brainwashed by our media, trying to explain to them the possible horrid consequences of what is being done now.

    But today a sudden peace fell upon me. For some reason now I know that all of us should stay calm, stop making angry moves (I’m talking of myself) and give the one who started it all the rope he needs. What he started will be his own ruin. Probably not now, but eventually yes.

    This is why I returned to my family – which is HERE – feeling among you much better than among some of my hysterical compatriots.

    This is indeed the territory of love, and I love you very, very much.

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  51. Isaura Vazquez-Reid permalink
    March 7, 2014 9:40 am

    It is very sad, when I think of how much Michael love life and people and only wanted to do the right thing and to help others and can not even come out with the words to express how I feel all I know is that it breaks my hart – RIP Michael we miss you terribly but you are resting in Peace away from all of these ………………not to say the real word – L.O.V.E

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  52. Linda permalink
    March 6, 2014 11:29 pm

    You came through both times Helena. These are scary times indeed. My mind goes back to the days when America and Russia were enemies. I hope that doesn’t happen again, and I pray all turns out well for all your people. I will always be glad to call you friend. We’re all just individuals no matter what country we were born in. I’ll never figure out why people don’t just want to get along. It really shouldn’t be that hard. There’s times that my great pride in being an American fails me too. I guess we all want and should be proud of our own country.

    Love you

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  53. Amaya permalink
    March 6, 2014 7:29 pm

    Don’t worry, Helena. Your first comment is showing up fine on my end. Glad to hear from you.

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  54. March 6, 2014 2:44 pm

    Guys, the only thing I want to say is that whatever madness some people in my country are falling into I DON’T SUPPORT IT. I can’t even believe that all this nightmare is really happening. Every Russian would welcome the Crimea back – there is no denial that, but not at THIS price.

    In fact I am ashamed to be a Russian now.

    * * *
    I’m repeating this statement because the first time I wrote it did not get posted. At least I cannot see it (probably you can?)

    If you can’t see it either it means that someone has meddled with the blog and I, the admin of this website, can no longer write here.

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  55. March 6, 2014 8:56 am

    Guys, the only thing I want to say is that whatever madness some people in my country are falling into I DON’T SUPPORT IT. I can’t even believe that all this nightmare is really happening. Every Russian would welcome the Crimea back – there is no denial that, but not at THIS price.

    In fact I am ashamed to be a Russian now.

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  56. March 5, 2014 11:19 am

    Today 5 years ago Michael’s fateful press conference at the O2 in London took place. It was the last time most of us saw Michael in public.
    It was also the day when Randy Philipps slapped Michael, yelled at him, threw him into a shower and treated him like a slave – as we learned from his testimony at the AEG trial last year. Moreover, he talked with staff members about it and badmouthed Michael.
    From this moment there was a countdown until Michael’s death during which numerous events happened that showed the true face of the powerful AEG Live executives. During this countdown they hired an incompetent doctor and pressured him to get Michael on stage not only for performances, but also for rehearsals. Michael said again and again: “Why can’t I choose?” We all know how it ended. They first took his freedom and then his life.

    Right now we have another countdown going on during which other powerful people are in control of events which could effect whole countries and the freedom of their population. In this critical situation let’s pray and hope that this countdown ends in a different way – with all people remaining free and alive. It’s most important to our Helena.

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  57. Amaya permalink
    March 3, 2014 12:50 am

    We understand, Helena. Things are sounding pretty messed up over there right now and I hope it doesn’t get any worse. Please take care and stay strong!

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  58. TatumMarie permalink
    March 2, 2014 12:23 am

    We love you, Helena.

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  59. Linda permalink
    March 1, 2014 11:42 pm

    Take as much time as you need Helena. We aren’t going anywhere.

    Love you

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  60. March 1, 2014 2:06 pm

    Guys, I won’t pretend that nothing is going on at the moment regarding my country.

    A lot is going on, only I don’t have the right to risk the future of this blog by leaving any comments here. I am also so distraught that can hardly think of anything else – even MJ. I hope you will understand if I take a little time-out.

    If I can I’ll probably still make the next post as I’ve been planning to. However all my thoughts are now elsewhere. I pray that people will be reasonable enough not to fall into madness.

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  61. December 24, 2013 5:05 pm

    Helena, just wanted to wish you good health and happiness to you and your family over the Christmas season and always. Love from Canada, Susan.

    Oh Susan, thank you so much for your words of encouragement for me. I would also like to wish you and all of us good health and happiness in the coming year and that the truth wins over lies, evil and malice, and not in some distant future but while we are still here and are able to see it.

    P.S. It’s very late here (2:15am), and I am sorry that I got carried away with the discussion of LMP and MJ and I didn’t have time for other replies. But I hope to be back tomorrow. Merry Christmas to everyone!

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  62. Susan M-S permalink
    December 24, 2013 4:26 pm

    Helena, just wanted to wish you good health and happiness to you and your family over the Christmas season and always.

    Your tireless dedication to providing the search for truth for Michael is an inspiration of what good people can do when they have love and courage in their heart. Thank you so much. Love from Canada, Susan. 🙂

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  63. sanemjfan permalink
    December 2, 2013 11:38 pm

    Here’s “A Place With No Name” on Youtube! Hurry up and listen and download it before it’s taken down!!!

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  64. sanemjfan permalink
    December 2, 2013 9:31 pm

    The full version of Michael Jackson’s “A Place With No Name” has finally leaked! You may recall that a snippet leaked in the summer of 2009, a few week after MJ’s untimely death. But now, here it is in its entirety! It’s pure perfection, as you would imagine! You can listen to it in either of the links below:

    http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/73595974/file.html

    https://m.soundcloud.com/smooth-gangsta/a-place-with-no-name

    For those of you who don’t know this already, the original version of that song is called “A Horse With No Name”, and it was released in the 1970’s by a group called America. You can hear it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAJ0l4OBHM MJ covered it perfectly and kept the same beat and cadence, but changed the lyrics.

    Speaking of leaks, for those of you who aren’t active on social media, you may have not known that “I Was The Loser” leaked a few months ago. If you haven’t heard it yet, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXPFy0RmdeM

    Happy listening guys!!!

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  65. November 25, 2013 6:19 pm

    “I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???” – Dialdancer

    Dial, David answered me and explained that these were indeed the traces of his trackbacks between the two blogs. He allowed me to delete them as they do not affect the actual connections. So thank you very much for the alert. Now we at least know that something of the kind can happen.

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  66. November 24, 2013 5:33 am

    There is one more question which interests me VERY MUCH:

    Have any other blogs been handled in the same manner for the past few days and what blogs are these?

    Please send here all the information you can.

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  67. November 24, 2013 5:14 am

    “Helena, Dial: Something similar happend to Raven’s Allforloveblog in the last days. She had suddenly almost a hundred posts that were attributed to David, but it was not his doing. She was spammed with that and first thought it was done by haters. It’s strange this is happening now here too. It would be good to get in touch with her to ask how she fixed it.” -Susanne

    Well, then it becomes clear that:
    1) someone is hacking our blogs
    2) the hackers want us to find fault with David as they present it as his doing
    3) they want us to quarrel with each other by confusing us and seeding division between bloggers, fans, etc. – in the community as such.

    Our defense is:
    1) realizing their intentions and being on the look-out for more of their attempts in this respect
    2) doing our utmost to protect ourselves. I suggest a massive change of passwords as a very minimal step.

    So ALL AUTHORS of this blog – please change your passwords please!

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  68. November 24, 2013 5:05 am

    Helena, Dial: Something similar happened to Raven’s Allforloveblog in the last days. She had suddenly almost a hundred posts that were attributed to David, but it was not his doing. She was spammed with that and first thought it was done by haters. It’s strange this is happening now here too.
    It would be good to get in touch with her to ask how she fixed it.

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  69. November 24, 2013 5:04 am

    “Something very strange is going on with this site. I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???” – Dialdancer

    Dial, something strange always goes on with this site. Several people are writing to me that they cannot leave comments here as they get the same reply as you do:

    Error: please enter a valid email address.

    As to David’s comments these may be trackbacks which are used by authors when they want to connect their posts in one blog with their same or other post in another blog. When I make links to my own post trackbacks usually appear in the sidebar, only I always delete them not to spam the comments section. However in David’s case I don’t want to do it because it will ruin his whole idea of connecting the two blogs together.

    On the other hand I do not rule out that someone hacked this blog and is making all these trackbacks on so massive a scale for reasons of their own. I’ve sent an email to David just to verify if it is him, so he will probably come here by himself and tell us what it is.

    * * *

    By now I have received a permission to tell you one story and will try to make a post about it as soon as I can. Hope my blog will survive at least until then.

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  70. November 23, 2013 9:21 pm

    Helena,

    Something very strange is going on with this site. I came to make a comment when I noticed that all the comments on the sidebar belong to David in either of his pen names. I recorded this event because it looks like either Word Press is going nuts again or ???

    I will send you a copy. It will be unedited, with the exception of my password and email. In fact, I am recording this post as well.

    While trying to post this I had an error which makes no sense. You will see it on the video.

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  71. November 20, 2013 2:28 pm

    “In one week this site will celebrate its’ 4th birthday or anniversary. I hope it will still be active if there is a need and Helena sees fit for it to have a 5th.” – Dialdancer

    Dial, thank you for reminding me. It is a very strange tendency but each anniversary something crashing usually happens and no matter what my intentions were these events force me to speak up. November 20th is exactly the anniversary day and is no exception to the rule because today I’ve learned that TeamMichaelJackson site is “temporarily not working” and to me it is quite a shock.

    I have reasons to believe that the Estate is not too happy with this website and even understand why, but despite my huge difference of opinion with TeamMJ as regards the Estate I firmly believe in freedom of speech and the need to allow others to carry on even if their hate is becoming too personal and even irrational.

    I know that the TeamMJ administrator is now in hospital and this makes things even worse, because I myself was recently in a similar situation and know what a terrible blow it is to find your site closed when you are so helpless an invalid.

    Rumor has it that this temporary suspension may be due to a complaint about collecting money for the transcripts which under certain circumstances may be considered commercial use of the blog carrying Michael Jackson’s name, but in this case I should even partake of the guilt as I was the one who encouraged to collect donations to buy more transcripts, so in a way I let them down.

    If it is due to using Michael’s image then a million other blogs should be closed too because all MJ’s fan blogs are full of his pictures.

    And if it is due to criticism I think it should be stoically tolerated or answered with information proving the errors of the opponent, and not by silencing him or her which only makes the matter worse.

    In short I am totally frustrated. My second part of the post based on LeGrand’s testimony was supposed to be about Branca, but how can I write about him in the circumstances?

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  72. November 17, 2013 11:59 am

    Thank you, Dialdancer. You’re a true friend.

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  73. November 14, 2013 10:19 pm

    To the readers of this blog:

    It is an insult of epic proportion and very telling to use this Blog and Helena as if some kind of disposable towel or a pet. Reward with praise the “pet” when it respond as we like and slap when it does not. Use someone and their work to support us and our beliefs, but mock them when they do not see eye to eye with us on everything. Disagreeing with ideas can be a way to get to the truth. When done with respect it can motivate to find and show what is and isn’t in also a respectful manner.

    At this time there appears to be two predominate groups on VJM using this Blog to prod one another, playing a game of one-upmanship.. The AEG supporters who are now here praising, but lambasted Helena and ignored the Blogs during the AEG trial and the Anti-AEG who heaped praise then, but now find this place and her unworthy.

    What about the almost 4 years of information which each person (fake posters not included) who has come here to discuss or take from these very pages? That information which was to defend Michael, debunk or debate the tales and was beneficial in creating personal reputations?

    Seems most of us have gotten in the habit of “selective” reporting. Deciding for the masses, (MJ Fam) what should and should not be known. Report in glowing terms that what we agree with and derogate that what we do not. If that is the case then perhaps “we” are no longer here for Michael or to get to and report the truth. Then we would no longer be here to Vindicate Michael or Support his legacy, but to vindicate and support our personal beliefs, decisions and judgments.

    In one week this site will celebrate its’ 4th birthday or anniversary. I hope it will still be active if there is a need and Helena sees fit for it to have a 5th.

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  74. November 10, 2013 7:17 am

    Just because you’re a rare bird, you are in communion with Michael and all of us who are here to support the just struggle because you’ve started it. I wouldn’t like to be malicious with no signs (neighbor) of us, but each of us has the particularity gene them. Just through this feature individual, we are different and we must have the wisdom to accept it and not try to blame someone without having to know the specific knowledge in that situation. I love your wisdom, I appreciate your expertise, as I love your genius. We will fight to the end! Subscribe and support you with all consideration and wish you more power to work, achieving the goals! We love you as much as Michael! God Bless Of All Us. All my L.O.V.E for Everything!

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  75. October 24, 2013 3:01 am

    “It’s ok Helena, free is good, and I personally won’t mind the ads. It’s a minor inconvenience.” – Linda

    Linda, I don’t mind them either as long as the readers don’t mind them. I just want everyone to know that these ads have nothing to do with me.

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  76. Linda permalink
    October 23, 2013 11:05 pm

    This is the price you have to pay if you use the blog free (as I am doing it).

    It’s ok Helena, free is good, and I personally won’t mind the ads. It’s a minor inconvenience.

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  77. October 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    Guys, I’ve noticed that posts have begun to carry ads from wordpress and wish to inform you that these ads are placed by the hosting service and now me. WordPress has the right to do so and was simply not using this right previously.

    This is the price you have to pay if you use the blog free (as I am doing it). So I’m afraid we will have to live with some ads now. Well, I hope that they will at least be decent.

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  78. October 3, 2013 9:03 am

    “With your background I think you will understand Chris Hedges.” – Kaarin

    Not quite. I’ve read a little bit of him and found that firstly, he makes grave mistakes about Michael and is not coming even close to understanding who he really was (http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/20090713_the_man_in_the_mirror)

    Then he defines Michael’s life as part of the US commodity culture. Over here he is probably right as an American he probably knows better.

    But he thinks that turning a person into a commodity is the only social ill and defines it as “unfettered capitalism” where everything is sold and bought. However I, who come from a different part of the world, know very well that similar social ills are inherent to other systems, for example “socialism” (which he seems to be propagating).

    In my opinion capitalism and socialism have nothing to do with it – these are basically economic models where capitalism is based on competition and socialism on the plans of those who are in power and basically collect the money to distribute it into various fields.

    If you ask me I see the competition principle as best for developing the economy and the distribution one as best for education and medicine which should be open and free to all irrespective of their starting conditions.

    But both systems can become absolutely rotten if they are not based on ethics and on human conscience which is a God’s law built into our souls.

    When human conscience is not involved every system begins to rot – under “capitalism” lies begin to be freely told (in the media for example) in the name of competition and profit, while under “socialism” the same lies are told in the name of “public good”.

    The common feature of both is still LIES and manipulation of human minds. So whatever the system I have issues only with lies and whatever country it is all I am fighting for is the truth.

    When so many lies are told in every place you look into, it becomes obvious that all of us are living in the world of illusion where taking proper decisions is simply impossible, because the grounds for their taking are fictituous and therefore wrong.

    I think that it is only the truth that can really heal the world.

    In fact it was Jesus who said: “Search for the truth and it will make you free”. And Michael Jackson by the way always said the same.

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  79. October 3, 2013 6:00 am

    With your background I think you will understand Chris Hedges.

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  80. September 28, 2013 9:54 pm

    Helena,

    Just popped in to say Hi. I am reading the blogs and comments. I’ve made a few of my own. Try and give your body some rest especially your poor hands. I hope you remember what you once told me during a bad time, “A spirit cannot survey if it lives and works only in darkness. I hope you are soaking up plenty of light and beauty.” Do not forget laughter is some of the best medicine God gave to us.

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  81. September 14, 2013 3:04 pm

    Sorry for the broken arm. It must have been one more complicated than the usual. as you need and operation and a nail,I understood. Still bones heal well once set right.A question of time and ofcourse it causes trouble.Hope you will be fit and well soon.

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  82. louturtle lang permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:54 pm

      WordPress.com Susan M-S commented: “Dear Helena; May I also extend to you my prayers and hope for you to recover very quickly. You are truly missed. Please take all the time you need to get well. Love, from Canada, Susan.”

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  83. Angie permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:38 pm

    I’m praying for you Helena, that you have a speedy recovery. I know what it’s like to break an arm. I broke my arm on Friday the 13th, a couple of years ago, lol. I’m not superstitious, it was a coincidence, but just saying….. lol. If you eat fresh pineapple, it’s extremely good for inflammation, plus it’s healthy for you too. That’s what I took when I broke my arm. I took no drugs at all, can’t you believe it, lol, and I healed fast and effective. I don’t like prescription drugs, they’re poisonous to me. They are still drugs just because they’re prescribed. And they have too many side effects that will create other problems. I believe that drugs are only useful when a person needs an operation, so they won’t feel pain, but other than that, drugs are useless. I believe God’s medicine, such as herbs like garlic, ginger root, etc., vegetables and fruits are the best medicines. God’s medicine is better than man’s medicine. This is my opinion. Anyway Helelna, we miss you and we’re praying for a speedy recovery. God bless you❤.

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  84. Susan M-S permalink
    September 14, 2013 8:31 am

    Dear Helena;

    May I also extend to you my prayers and hope for you to recover very quickly. You are truly missed. Please take all the time you need to get well. Love, from Canada, Susan.

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  85. Caspar88 permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:45 am

    Dear Helena
    I do hope you are okay?
    I am so sorry to hear about your accident. I have missed you !
    Sometimes it just does you good to know how much you are loved and appreciated..
    Get well soon.
    Love is the answer!

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  86. lynande51 permalink
    September 14, 2013 12:06 am

    Helena I wish you a speedy recovery and as pain and discomfort free as possible. Take care of yourself first that is what is the most important now. I hope to see you back here soon blogging as usual. Is their a friend or family member that can help you when you go home? You will constantly be in my prayers until I see you writing again. Bless you , Lynette

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  87. Angie permalink
    September 13, 2013 8:48 pm

    Get well soon Helena, we miss you❤.

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  88. Linda permalink
    September 12, 2013 11:03 pm

    So sorry to hear Helena was hurt. I hope she mends real fast because I’ve missed her and was very worried about my favorite site. My bookmark for this site still won’t work. I can only click on comments that come into my e-mail to get me here. Not sure what’s going on there since the site does seem to be back up, but if I click on my bookmark that I always use to get here, I still get that page that says the site is removed because of some kind of an infraction. So I’m not sure if I’m getting the latest articles written here.

    Helena probably has a cast on her arm and it’s going to be slow going to do any typing. Bummer. That’s like losing your voice and not being able to talk. Get well soon Helena. Love and miss you.

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  89. Angie permalink
    September 12, 2013 5:16 pm

    I’m so glad you’re back Helena! I thought they tried to get rid of you because they were threatened that you vindicate MJ so well, and wanted to keep people from the truth. Thank God you’re back🙂

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  90. September 12, 2013 2:58 am

    sanemjfan: Helena broke her arm and needed an operation. I think she won’t be long in hospital, but won’t be able to write for some time. I think she’s well soon.
    Thanks again.

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  91. sanemjfan permalink
    September 11, 2013 8:04 pm

    Thanks susannerb!! I was very worried Helena, and the site, but I’m glad WordPress fixed their error and apologized.

    Why is Helena in the hospital? When is she expecting to be released? I hope she gets better soon!

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  92. September 11, 2013 1:54 pm

    Guys, I’m glad the site is back. Helena was very worried as she could not take care of the situation due to her treatment in hospital.
    The suspension of the site was an error and WordPress apologized for it.
    Thank you also to sanemjfan for his efforts in contacting WordPress.

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  93. Angie permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:35 pm

    ‘louturtle lang’ you are a thief. You have my nickname. You have my email name. I’m going to report you.

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  94. June 18, 2013 7:23 am

    “Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct.” -louturtle lang

    I’m going to be direct too. Your message had a comment by a certain “Christian” attached to it. This person is a troll with ped-lia inclinations. At some point I was asked by readers to delete his indecent rant as everyone grew sick and tired of it. This is why that person was banned and part of his erotic revelations deleted. And that is why I had to delete his comment from your message too. I hope it got there by mistake.

    Thank you for your comment. You are right, Michael was an incredibly lonely man. And he indeed wanted people to talk to him at night when he could not fall asleep. Van Valin is one of the examples.

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  95. louturtle lang permalink
    June 18, 2013 1:02 am

    newrodrigo permalink June 6, 2013 7:30 am

    Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct. Michael had kids in his home, why? Because he shared with them hospitality, because he was a generous and kind soul, too good for his own good. From this, he would gain things in his life that he never had, a childhood. Why sleep with kids in the same room? Honestly? Because I believe he used them for comfort. Michael was bad with his nerves, anybody can see that. He suffered insomnia, so those kids probably helped feel at ease until he fell asleep. And he was INCREDIBLY lonely. If he wasn’t with children at night, he would call anybody and everybody to talk to til he felt tired, and that took hours. You have to understand his reasons for really doing this. Not because he wanted slumber parties and not because he was a pe-le… But because he was a mentally frail and desperately lonely man, who needed comfort with him. The mannequins in his room in his youth ALONE should show us that. Michael had a stunted mind, he didn’t like reality and so cordoned himself off in his own world. He was philosophical and religious, and lived by his own rules. That was very sad for him. ..but none of it means he was guilty to wrong intent towards children. Like it says in the Bible, Jesus said we should all be childlike and innocent, and what with Michael’s nature, I think he took that lesson to heart the most. And let’s not forget, he slept with his brothers in his life. Times he really liked and cherished, and he was probably trying to regain those. Save occasions where they brung girls back. But there is something cosy about going to sleep with family. And Michael thought of children as his family, often calling them cousins. Me myself, I used to share a bed with my family members on occasions in my youth, and I fondly remember them. Every memory I have involves talking and laughter, trying to get to sleep. As I said, it was cosy and special times. And I believe Michael felt the same and wanted to recapture that too.

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  96. Angie permalink
    June 10, 2013 5:16 pm

    You can stop complaining now about those words. Again, you only told me once not to use those words, and I haven’t used them sense, but yet you’re still complaining about me using those words, when I haven’t even used them ever sense you told me not to. So enough with complaining about me using those words. And you are judging me. You said I’m ‘playing you as a fool’, when I’m not. How ridiculous. Please stop passing judgement on me, because you’re 100% false.

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  97. lynande51 permalink
    June 10, 2013 9:40 am

    Christian I wasn’t even talking to you. Then I guess you don’t understand that there are trigger words.You don’t know what they are and neither do you.

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  98. newrodrigo permalink
    June 10, 2013 5:12 am

    Well to clarify. I’ve never SLEPT beside children. Lay beside them, told a story til they fall asleep, because after all, they do need comfort, if asking for it. I was never deprived of that when I was young.

    And it’s not just any child. It’s either my girlfriend’s niece, a younger member of my own family. Then once her friend who was sleeping there too, and I managed to get them to sleep, then I snuck out.

    And the only thing I get from it is how people tell me I would make a good father someday, which makes me happy.

    Michael did what he did out of loneliness, and trying to recapture the things he never had.

    Me? I do it obviously very rarely, and just because I’m a good storyteller, you know? Children take to me because I have the energy for them. And I don’t mind it.
    It’s children who are family, and it’s basically me doing what a father would do.

    But that’s what got Michael into trouble. Playing too much of the father role with other people’s children.

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  99. Christian permalink
    June 10, 2013 2:39 am

    Thanks for your advice lynande51 but sleeping with children is not illegal in Australia. It’s not illegal in the USA either, which is just as well otherwise Snake Sneddon would have had his evil way and had Michael sitting in a jail cell right now.

    Like Michael I agree that child molesters need some help.

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  100. June 9, 2013 5:15 am

    “Helena, please don’t pass judgement on me. I’m not using those words on purpose like Diane Diamond did with her words. I only tried to be as clear as possible while discussing matters with ‘Christian’. You told me not to use the words only once, and I haven’t used it sense. Wow, it’s amazing how people can judge so easily. I’m not taking you as a fool, you’re judging, and that doesn’t look good, because you’re 100% wrong.”– Angie

    I may indeed be wrong about the reasons why you are doing it but am correct in assessing the effect of your non-stop use of these words. And it is not judging you – I am not calling you names – I am explaining to you why and how all these words are only doing damage to Michael instead of helping him.

    By the way our Rule #1 fully applies to this case.

    Our Rule # 2 does not allow propaganda of pedophilia. And speaking of all those “erections” in connection with a 9 year old girl which you kept mentioning again and again does sound like propaganda of it due to the repetition method used by its propagators. And if you do not understand it yourself I have to explain it to you. Ped-lia propagators also incessantly “talk” about it, mention it in various combinations so that it leaves the reader totally desensitized to the idea that all this talk is actually done about a child.

    These are at least two of our rules out of six that you have broken. First I had to redact your comment to make it consistent with the rules, then I had to warn you that this is not acceptable here, and now you say that I am “judging” you and “easily” at that?

    Before passing judgment on me please have a look at the rules first: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/rules/

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  101. Angie permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:00 am

    Helena, please don’t pass judgement on me. I’m not using those words on purpose like Diane Diamond did with her words. I only tried to be as clear as possible while discussing matters with ‘Christian’. You told me not to use the words only once, and I haven’t used it sense. Wow, it’s amazing how people can judge so easily. I’m not taking you as a fool, you’re judging, and that doesn’t look good, because you’re 100% wrong. Why would I want to play you as a fool, or use those bad words against MJ, whom I love with all my heart. Seriously Helena, you need to stop judging people so much. Just because some else may have played you as a fool, well I didn’t. Please ask God to give you guideness on who to judge and not judge, because you’re 100% wrong when it comes to me.

    I do agree, that people use pyschology, I’ve seen it in movies, etc., being indirect, subtle and obilque, regarding racism, etc. Trust me, I know.

    I hope God gives you a revelation of the truth about me, because what you said about me is absolutely 100% false. Anyways, hope you can move on from this. Peace.

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  102. June 9, 2013 2:27 am

    “To all who are discussing ERECTIONS ETC. I know is not a bad word or anything but my opinion is that it should not be discussed anymore” – Isaura Reid

    Of course it should not. This was a provocation arranged here by several people. Unfortunately for the past four years I have seen many of them.

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  103. lynande51 permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:26 am

    @Dialdancer
    Yes there are key words that trigger on blog so that the FBI and National Security can monitor them.No trick theyhave every right to do that as afar as I’m concerned.In Australia especially they have a new software and it lead to the arrest of dozens of child abusers.

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  104. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:32 pm

    To all who are discussing ERECTIONS ETC. I know is not a bad word or anything but my opinion is that “it should not be discuss anymore” my point is that if someone other than the sincere fans read this articles it can be taken out of context and do more damage than good for Michael and his children – talk about the good he did and other things but nothing sexual – that is the past he suffered enough because of it thank you

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  105. June 8, 2013 5:23 pm

    The good news are that Katherine and Rebbie have reconciled( from what I´ve read.)I know from expierience that when wristcutting and Curt Cobain are in the mix it signifies a serious situation.Rebbie and Katherine and T.J. (but where does he live?) must work in concert with competent professionals.The best is to ask the professors of adolescent psych.. at a university hospital for advice. Deep emotional issues cannot always be verbalized to family members.In my language adolescence is ,if literally,concretely translated, called the breaking age.It is a time pivotal for forming your identity separate from the family.Ofcourse this does not mean to separate from the family.,just a necessary developmental stage towards adulthood..Not so easy even without other complicating factors..

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  106. June 8, 2013 1:11 pm

    Only a fool or someone unfamiliar with the internet or who is not keeping up with the news would believe they are all alone on their PC’s. Only a fool would think no matter what devices or software they use think they can not be detected by law enforcement if the incentive is good enough.

    Some of you might want to go to the below websites and read up on what constitutes child exploitation before you continue to play this game.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/fighting-child-exploitation

    http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/

    http://ecpat.net/WorldCongressIII/PDF/Publications/ICT_Psychosocial/Thematic_Paper_ICTPsy_ENG.pdf

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  107. June 8, 2013 7:24 am

    “Helena, if you wanted to removed that ugly word, as you call it, lol, with all due respect, no problem. It is an ugly word. I’m sorry, I did not know that that word bothered you, for this is your very first time telling me of it.” – Angie

    The word “erection” is not ugly in itself, but it is surely not for this blog, and when you repeat things like “rubbing” “erected” “penis” several times in one sentence even in the negative form, it gets firmly associated with the person we are talking about here. The same goes for the word “ped-le” which we never use in connection with the name of this person (Rule No.1 if I remember it right).

    It is because even if it is in negation it still sticks. It is human psychology and the specifics of our perception. That is why I personally use only the word Innocent in connection with Michael Jackson – just to counter-balance all the dirt said about him by others.

    Example: If you are learning English and want to remember the word “yellow” it does not matter whether it is in negation or in a question form. “Yellow” in a “yellow fence” or “not yellow fence” is memorized equally well. “It Michael’s fence yellow?” “No, Michael’s fence is not yellow.” It does not matter that it is not yellow – what matters is that after a hundred of repetitions this word finally becomes associated with a certain name.

    And you know which word was repeated about Michael not a hundred times – but thousands or even millions of times. Say “Michael Jackson” and the word will automatically spring to your mind through all the repetition. This is the mechanism of human perception which journalists like Diane Dimond use when they repeat this word about Michael in various combinations a dozen times within the first ten sentences. And this was and is still being done by the media on a wide scale and done deliberately.

    Now you are using all this “penis erection thing” for the same purpose and it has not been lost on me. That is why I said I wished people stopped taking me for a fool.

    Let us agree that I have warned you.

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  108. June 8, 2013 7:00 am

    “Helena, I don’t agree with you, when you say MJ’s genitals rubbed against Wade Robson and Brett Barnes.” – Angie

    I never said it, so please don’t twist my words. What I also don’t agree with is the game you are playing here.

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  109. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:47 am

    Helena, if you wanted to removed that ugly word, as you call it, lol, with all due respect, no problem. It is an ugly word. I’m sorry, I did not know that that word bothered you, for this is your very first time telling me of it. And please don’t say “I’m taking you as a fool”. How would I know that that word bothered you, I can’t read your mind, neither have you told me not to use it until now. So please don’t pass judgement on me, because it’s not true. As for the pervious post, I believe I used the word, so you can blot those out as you did the others. I did not read your comments regarding that yet, not until after I already posted. Now that I’ve read your comments, I know not to use that word anymore. And again, I apologize, I simply didn’t know that ugly word offend you.

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  110. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:27 am

    Helena, I don’t agree with you, when you say MJ’s genitals rubbed against Wade Robson and Brett Barnes. MJ said he was on one end, and the kids were on the other. And that possiblity of MJ’s body touching a child’s body while sleeping, why can’t it be a arm, or foot, etc. Those are the parts of the body to mostly likely touch another person’s body while sleeping in the same bed with others, not the penis, which is bondled up in underwear and pajamas. It’s pure BS Helena. Chandler, and Wade today, says MJ masturbated them, then forced them to do him back. They kissed, etc. It’s absolute complete BS.

    To get it in your head, again, Jordy Chandler and Wade Robson said, they said MJ kissed them on the lips, masturbated them, then MJ forced them to masturbate him back, etc., it’s complete BS. If I were you Helena, I wouldn’t let ‘Christian’s’ lies get to you. I’m surprised you fallen trap to him. Now you believe MJ’s genitals touched Wade Robson, and Brett Barnes. It’s a complete lie. MJ was on one end of the bed, and the kids on the other end. The only possiblity that MJ’s body had contact with children, would be an arm, or leg, sense those are the longest parts of the body to reach and touch, not a shielded penis in underwear and pajamas.

    I’ve slept with children, and the only thing that touched, was limbs, such as a foot, arm, leg, but not a shielded penis, in the deep corner of the thighs. Even Steve Harvey said his child was sleeping with him, and children can sleep wild, the only touching was arms, feet, but not genitals. It’s complete BS. I wish you all would stop poisoning your mind with complete lies.

    —-
    Note from VMJ: I never said that anyone’s genitals rubbed against anyone at all. I simply don’t use this kind of language and am disgusted at having to discuss it.

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  111. Angie permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:02 am

    I told you this ‘Christian’ guy thought he was sleek, can’t fool me you loser. You’re whole purpose of asking all these questions, regarding sleeping in the same bed with children, was to see if MJ were a child molestor. Who did you think you were fooling loser? Well it sure wasn’t me.

    Again, you’re making a complete fool of yourself, because who are you to judge that MJ’s genitals were erected on a child while sleeping in the same bed, ask yourself, “How do I know this?” The answer is you don’t know. And according to MJ, and most of the children, who wanted no money off him, MJ never touched a child. Like MJ said, he slept on one end of the bed, and the children on the other. And the only reason why MJ paid off the Chandler’s, is because his lawyers, etc. told him to. Also, it wouldn’t look right going to trial, it would ruin his reputaion. This is why MJ still had so many fans after all these false allegations, because he wasn’t seen doing these long trials, and then for people to play it back in years to come, whenever they made mention of it, etc. Hey, MJ didn’t even want to do too many interviews, let alone go to trial. Hey, MJ was filthy rich, that little money he paid off to the Chandlers was nothing. It cost ‘father Chandler’ his life, ha. Even the spirit world says the Chandlers were lairs, LOL!

    Loser ‘Christian’ you’re making a complete fool of yourself, lol! This is why MJ said numerous times that he were going to continue to share the same bed with children, on International TV, because he had absolutely nothing to hide. With all the false allegations, etc., being said, and going into detail, etc., I’m sure MJ had enough sense to know that his genitals being rubbed against a child’s body were molestation, and would of been too afraid too continue to sleep in the same bed with children, after all he’s been through with these accusations. But MJ continued to sleep in the same bed with children, and even mentioned it on International TV numerous times, because MJ had absolutely nothing to hide. It was all out of complete innocence. MJ even advised others to sleep in the same bed with children, because it’s a loving warm experience, out of complete innocence. Now if you’re ‘Jack the Ripper’, then it’s not a good thing, that MJ weren’t, unlike you ‘Christian’ with that 9 year old neighbor (if that story is even true), and many preist in the Catholic churches, etc. MJ wasn’t going to stop sharing his bed, just because of the twisted minds out there, including you ‘Christian’. ‘Christian’ go get a life, you loser. And I’m here to tell you now, no good is going to come to you for harrassing MJ and his fans. You’re pay day from God is coming soon, so get ready for it. Whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not mocked.

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  112. June 8, 2013 3:35 am

    “Helena did you Google Nocturnal Penile Tumescence? ” – “Christian”

    Due to your insistence I did and found the following from Wiki:

    “Nocturnal penile tumescence (abbreviated as NPT) is a spontaneous erection of the penis during sleep or when waking up. The condition of awaking with an erection is known colloquially as “morning glory” or “morning wood”. All men without physiological erectile dysfunction experience Nocturnal penile tumescence, usually three to five times during the night, typically during REM sleep.
    REM sleep in adult humans typically occupies 20–25% of total sleep, about 90–120 minutes of a night’s sleep. REM sleep is considered the lightest stage of sleep, and normally occurs close to morning.”

    So this NPT mostly occurs in the morning, and this I have seen. It is not full-time erection, but is a sort of swelling which I saw under the shorts. If a man does not sleep naked and is in his shorts or even pajamas which MJ was using it may easily go unnoticed. The key word here is that is happens during REM sleep, or closer to the morning. REM sleep during the night also takes place but for short periods of time which a man does not remember, while to the morning glory he wakes up.

    If people sleep in a spoon position and not separately, yes, it may be felt even through pajamas despite the man’s wishes. If they sleep on different sides of the bed like friends do (MJ’s situation) it will be unnoticed. Considering that an occasional touch could happen during the night I would not recommend anyone to sleep with a child for the simple reason that it may happen despite your wish and even without your knowing that it ever happened. This is probably what Michael had to accept as ‘negligence’ when the Chandlers’ case was settled, though I doubt that this negligence ever happened.

    Guys, I am sorry but I am talking about this in so much detail because now I begin to realize that this is what WR has in his claim. This recurrent “Christian” is not just here for nothing.

    Michael most probably never thought about things like that and never realized that the problem could be considered that bad. In fact children sleep in their parents’ bed too (and like it very much) and for some reason no one pays attention to the NPT problem though, judging by the Wiki article, it is unavoidable for fathers to have it and their biological children can also see or feel it. If this is so big a problem as “Christian” paints it we must be consistent and forbid the parents to have their own children in bed too.

    A scientific discussion should follow until what age it is more or less okay, and since what age it is out of the question. If children in the family have to sleep together for lack of a separate room or bed, regulations should be set about the age difference allowing or forbidding it (for example, a three years difference is okay and a five year difference is a ban) and measures should be taken to provide the family with extra housing space not to allow this outrage to happen.

    It is a big social and economic problem, guys. And all this because Michael Jackson was such a terrible magnet for children that WR, Brett Barnes and others wanted to stay by him day and night. Most of the times Michael stayed on the floor as this was his favorite way of sleeping, but yes, he was also negligent to allow them to crawl into his bed, only I doubt that he knew what a terrible scientific problem it is. He simply did not think or know about it and this was indeed his biggest problem.

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  113. Christian permalink
    June 7, 2013 7:04 pm

    Helena did you Google Nocturnal Penile Tumescence? If you did you would know that EVERY man has 4-5 erections every night, unless they are physically impotent. Are you suggesting Michael was physically impotent? Because I’m sure Lisa Marie would correct you on that one!

    So what do you think Michael told Brett Barnes for instance when they slept together on all those hotel rooms and Brett erchance noticed? It would have been inevitable over those many many nights. Would he have said it is perfectly natural, or would he have just ignored it? I wish I knew so I could find some way of handling my own predicament!

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  114. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:20 pm

    YES I AGREE 200% – IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND I HATE TO SAY IT BUT THIS INCLUDES FAMILY ALSO – I HAVE READ QUITE A FEW THINGS ABOUT IT

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  115. June 7, 2013 5:19 pm

    Murray has no shame.Neither has he expressed remorse.His last chance to change the course of events was on 6.20 2009 at the tough love meeting. He totally failed being a doctor,obeying AEG.For the money.

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  116. lynande51 permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:25 pm

    His instrument is the one that told him and she was the one that sold the tape of him.Money! Absolutely everything about Michael comes back to the greedy vultures that want his money.

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  117. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:44 pm

    I do wonder who tells Conrad Murray what is going on in The Jackson Family with Paris etc.. and he finds out pretty quick considering he is supposed to be locked up in Jail.

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  118. June 7, 2013 8:22 am

    Good that you put an end to this “Christian” useless chatter
    I am not surprised over Paris action.She is in a most difficult situation and I hope she will be allowed to stay in a therapeutic miljeau for a while.At home everyone is up to their ears in the trial.In a good unit for adolescents she would have several proffessionals to talk with, and they are bound by confidentiality.If this happened on the East coast I know exactly whom I would refer her to for an initial evaluation and treatment plan.They say she feels fine.Well
    these kind of difficult situations and feelings do not go away in a few days.And often ,though a family means well,they are not the best environment.Naturally they can visit her if she so wishes.I really hope her guardian will understand the seriousness of Paris trouble(trouble sounds too trite reallly).The other 2 children will also have their share,they just may express it differently.
    And to AEG; They must have had many sessions for their memories,to know what to not understand, what to forget,what they maybe misunderstood and so on.And maybe whom to pay off or get rid of to be sure.
    ps,my teacher said that the very poor and the rich get the worst treatment.
    And I hope WR`s conscience, if he has any, will never give him piece.

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  119. June 7, 2013 4:43 am

    “I didn’t realize talking about my and Michaels erections while sleeping with children” – ‘Christian’

    If YOU have erections while “sleeping with children’ it does not mean Michael did – especially since he did not “sleep with children” in the meaning you are propagating here.

    So BOTH premises used by you for your mental erection exercises are wrong. To be able to make any comparisons the circumstances described should be exactly the same, while here there is not a single thing in common.

    And I am not even saying that comparing you with Michael is impossible – what people think is the very core of them, and your and Michael’s ways of thinking are like poles apart.

    Tell me what you think and I will tell you who you are.

    If Jesus travelled with a group of male companions two thousand years ago it does NOT mean that what some person with erection ideas thinks of him now is true.

    My congratulations to you – you will be banned for the third time. Your persistent desire to come to this blog no matter what is amazing.

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  120. Christian permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:30 am

    I’m sorry for the stir I caused. I didn’t realize talking about my and Michaels erections while sleeping with children would offend so many people. That’s the tragedy of the world today that as adults we can’t speak about perfectly natural and innocent occurrences without people screaming “pervert!” Or “ped…ile!”

    Now I know how Michael felt when people’s own dirty minds make something innocent into something filthy. I thought I would find sympathy here, having the same problem as Michael, but instead I find suspicion, mistrust and projection. No wonder Michael was sad all the time.

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  121. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:01 pm

    A cry for help and I hope everyone listen to Paris, she is suffering, she is being hurt all over again – and now the media is calling the situation “JACKOS CURSE this is outrageous

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  122. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:57 pm

    As you said, Helena.

    Nobody cares about the kids. We have scumbags that are making careers out of slating their dad – morons who don’t know a damn thing.

    Scum like AEG and Robson.

    The kid is only 15, and it’s so terrible what she has to put with, it’s heartbreaking.
    Michael protected those kids so heavily because he knew the crap they would receive. …was he crazy to do it? The ones that scolded him for his parenting skills are ones that are KILLING his children. To Hell with them all, makes me SICK.

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  123. June 6, 2013 7:13 pm

    “Apparently Paris screamed for Michael before doing what she did”

    Paris did it because her father is kept being insulted. This is unbearable for her.

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  124. June 6, 2013 7:10 pm

    Angie, you have mentioned that ugly thing which I cannot tolerate in this blog THREE times in your last message and all three of them have been redacted by me. I wish people stopped taking me for a complete fool.

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  125. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:01 pm

    Apparently Paris screamed for Michael before doing what she did😦

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  126. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:59 pm

    ANGIE: You obviously have a good and innocent hart, with all respect to your opinion, Dr. Murray is full of it – he is a hypocrite human being, he never showed remorse for what he did to MJ and the Judge told him so at the Trial – thank you

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  127. Angie permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:49 pm

    ‘kaarin22’ I agree. But he’s saying the children want to sleep in the bed with him, and if he doesn’t let them, it’s going to hurt their feelings. I don’t believe that. And even if it were true, he could give an good explaination to why he can’t sleep in the bed with them, and the children would accept it,because he will still be in the same room with them, even though he would be in his own bed, or on the floor. ‘Christian’ is just full of BS.

    Now if ‘Christain’ were sleeping in the bed with children out of complete innocence like what MJ did, then it would be ok. But ‘Christian’ had ……

    Many children sleep in the same bed with their parents, wether both mom and dad, or just either mom or dad, and that’s out of complete innocence, that’s how it waswith MJ when HE slept in the same bed with children, out of complete innocence.

    I bit a parent, a father, who sleeps in the same bed with their child, doesn’t ……

    MJ even said that he would allow his children, Prince and Paris to sleep in the same with an adult, if they were a good trusted friend, etc. I mean why can’t sleeping just be sleeping, why do it has to be sexual. Sleeping and having sex are two different things. Get that through your perverted heads.

    Now I will stop mentioning taling about these dumb ‘Christian’ comments. It’s a waist of time and energy, something not even worth talking about. And he shouldn’t even be on this site disrepecting MJ and his fans with ………… I will stop talking about this unless perverted topic, but as long as he comes on this site talking crap, I will let the truth be known. ‘Christian’, stay off this site, and never come back. You derserve to be banned.

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  128. June 6, 2013 5:10 pm

    “Stop these “Christian” comments.If he so wants to sleep with children he can get his own bed or sleep on the floor.” – kaarin

    I have deleted all comments concerning this talk about ‘erection’ because it reminds me too much of some real ped-lia talk. Their favourite method is to “discuss it” until everyone is so desensitized to it that the initial shock about all this being said about children is gone.

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  129. June 6, 2013 4:55 pm

    “Everything has been building up to this.”– newrodrigo

    Oh my God. I half expected something of the kind. All their life the children were shielded by their father from the nastiness of the world, and I can imagine their feelings when they saw how ugly it is . Hearing Wade Robson saying these terrible things about her father made her realize what nightmare Michael was living in and what he had to go through. And the AEG trial is also showing to her the state of utter misery and humiliation he was living in the last months of his life. He didn’t show it to them and they did not know. They spoke about art, musems, making films, positive things. And now they know how much pain he was living in. This is a terrible shock. All the children are now in great peril.

    And for some reason no one thought what effect Wade Robson’s lies could have on them. This Judah was the last person to think of what he was doing to Michael’s children. It is we who heard those stories day in, day out – but they did not. And now all of it is crushing on their heads.

    Here is the story about Paris’s suicide attempt:

    Paris Jackson “Safe,” “Doing Fine” After Suicide Attempt, Uncles Say
    CELEBRITY NEWS
    JUNE 5, 2013 AT 1:00PM BY JUSTIN RAVITZ

    Get well, Paris Jackson. The 15-year-old daughter of the late Michael Jackson was rushed to an L.A. hospital early Wednesday, June 5 after she attempted to commit suicide. TMZ was first to report the story, and Jackson’s biological mother, Debbie Rowe, confirmed the news to Entertainment Tonight, adding that her daughter had “cuts on her wrist.” UPDATE: Paris’ uncles Tito, Marlo and Jackie Jackson tell TMZ, “Thank you for the outpouring of concern and support for Paris. She is safe and doing fine. We truly appreciate you respecting our family privacy at this time.” An attorney for her grandmother, Katherine Jackson also told the site, “Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention.”

    Steve Whitmore, a spokesperson for the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department, tells Us Weekly: “We responded to a call regarding a medical situation at 1:27 AM,” with authorities quicklky arriving at the Jackson family’s Calabasas, Calif. residence. “When we arrived, the paramedics were giving medical treatment to the patient. Treatment was offered and given. The patient was then transported to a local hospital.”

    Confirming the suicide attempt to Us Weekly, an insider explains: “She has major depression issues, a lot of it stemming from her dad’s death.” It’s been almost exactly four years since Paris’ world-famous father died of a drug overdose at age 50. “It’s very real and very sad,” the insider adds of Paris’ struggles. “She has been extremely depressed and not been able to sleep lately, staying up all night.”

    Shortly before her emergency, Paris — whose siblings are Prince Michael, 16, and Prince Michael II, 11 — tweeted cryptic messages suggesting she was in a low state. “Wonder why tears are salty? Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away now it looks as though they’re here to stay.”

    Despite Wednesday’s troubling incident, Paris has in recent months been forging a “great relationship” with biological mom Rowe after a lifetime of estrangement. “Paris has a lot of troubles, but she has forged a real mother-daughter relationship and friendship,” with Rowe, a source tells Us. Rowe has been “teaching her to ride horses, giving her a horse, taking her out for lunches and shopping. They have a beautiful relationship.”

    Regardless, the source adds “It has been hard for Paris to adjust to this new life without her dad. She misses him constantly and has acted out.”

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/paris-jackson-attempts-suicide-rushed-to-hospital-201356

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  130. Angie permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:40 pm

    ‘Truth Prevail’. I think that Dr. Murray reaching out to Paris was sincere. I think that he thinks that he was required to reach out to Paris, since he thinks Paris is acting out because of the anniversary of her father MJ’s passing is near, in whom he is responsible for MJ’s death.

    As much as I hate Murray for taking the life of MJ, he didn’t mean to, so it’s natural for him to try and reach out to Paris and comfort her. I’m sure he wish he had made other choices while dealing with MJ’s insomnia if he knew he were going to kill him in the end.

    This is Murray’s message to Paris:

    “I don’t know if there’s anything I can do to solve your pain or help you with your problem but I wanted you to know that I am here for you,” Murray, 60, said in a recorded message posted on the gossip site. “I have never been gone.”

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  131. June 6, 2013 4:18 pm

    Stop these “Christian” comments.If he so wants to sleep with children he can get his own bed or sleep on the floor.

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  132. June 6, 2013 4:11 pm

    Murray is out of his mind, trying to ingratiate and somehow seem close to the Jackson family.
    He lives in a fantasy world, I recall he claimed he consoled the family and said that he broke the sad news of Michaels death to the family. Both of these facts only in his imagination.
    It is awful what he is doing now. Where were his psychological attributes when Michael
    withered emotionally in front of his eyes?I hope Paris is not even told of this at present. Ofcourse she will learn of it later.Don´t prisoners get punished when doing something wrong?
    He in particular should not play psychiatrist.Hope he will do his 4 years.He had a last chance on 6/20 2009 to put his foot down, but he obeyed AEG.Does not even deserve being a doctor.

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  133. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:31 pm

    Guys have you heard the recording from Conrad Murray to Paris he is saying some very strange things and i got the impression he was reading from a script or something.

    What do you all think?

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  134. June 6, 2013 1:01 pm

    Slitting your wrists is far from actually committing suicide or wanting to die.You may actually feel you want to die, but .It is something to take seriously and is a cry for help.So far she has mostly shown her happy ,successful side to the public.But that is not all of her. Maybe it it has been difficult to show her grief appropriately.I don´t think that sending her away to a boarding school at this time is a good idea.She needs an environment where she can comfortably let out her difficult feelings.She must still and always will have feelings about her fathers death, and just now so much is happening.The family should inquire from a university hospital, they often run sc day-programs for young people who need more than therapy sessions.I really hope she gets the best help, something her father never got.
    a side note: Any person who has lost a parent before age 17 will suffer somehow as result.

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  135. lynande51 permalink
    June 6, 2013 12:30 pm

    @Christian
    So you are a man that had to do what…Google that information? I don’t think so.

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  136. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:32 am

    I think Debbie confirmed Paris had tried to kill herself.

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  137. newrodrigo permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:30 am

    Let’s discuss the point. I’m going to be direct.

    Michael had kids in his home, why? Because he shared with them hospitality, because he was a generous and kind soul, too good for his own good.
    From this, he would gain things in his life that he never had, a childhood.

    Why sleep with kids in the same room? Honestly? Because I believe he used them for comfort. Michael was bad with his nerves, anybody can see that. He suffered insomnia, so those kids probably helped feel at ease until he fell asleep. And he was INCREDIBLY lonely. If he wasn’t with children at night, he would call anybody and everybody to talk to til he felt tired, and that took hours.

    You have to understand his reasons for really doing this. Not because he wanted slumber parties and not because he was a pe-le…

    But because he was a mentally frail and desperately lonely man, who needed comfort with him. The mannequins in his room in his youth ALONE should show us that.

    Michael had a stunted mind, he didn’t like reality and so cordoned himself off in his own world. He was philosophical and religious, and lived by his own rules.
    That was very sad for him. ..but none of it means he was guilty to wrong intent towards children.
    Like it says in the Bible, Jesus said we should all be childlike and innocent, and what with Michael’s nature, I think he took that lesson to heart the most.

    And let’s not forget, he slept with his brothers in his life. Times he really liked and cherished, and he was probably trying to regain those. Save occasions where they brung girls back. But there is something cosy about going to sleep with family. And Michael thought of children as his family, often calling them cousins.

    Me myself, I used to share a bed with my family members on occasions in my youth, and I fondly remember them. Every memory I have involves talking and laughter, trying to get to sleep. As I said, it was cosy and special times.

    And I believe Michael felt the same and wanted to recapture that too.

    Now regarding this issue.

    The only time I have really shared a bed with a child is when I’m trying to get that child to sleep. I’m a big kid myself and I love telling stories myself, but I’ll only ever ask for permission from the parent if it’s ok for me to tell the kid a story and tuck them in, because I’m being egged on. Children take to me that way I guess.

    But I wouldn’t go around and start doing what Michael did…I’m not him, I didn’t have his unfortunate issues.

    I’m 22 and my 18 year old mate came around the other night and slept at mine. We play games on the PS3 and watch films. And we both dossed out next to each other on the bed and we didn’t care. And I have a king sized bed, not a single, so it’s not like that lol

    I get the inappropriate stigma attached to Michael being a man sleeping next to children.
    But like I pointed out, he had the mentality of a child. ..somebody with youngish ideals, his stunted mind.
    It was innocent, but it shouldn’t of happened.

    So really Christian, you shouldn’t be doing what Michael did.

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  138. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:59 am

    OK this thing about Paris attempting suicide I don’t believe it just yet because I have not got this news from a reliable source maybe she went to hospital for something else its just the media spinning it saying it because she tried attempted suicide most likely trying to distract the public and truth seekers from the AEG trial.

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  139. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:43 pm

    I pray that Paris will be OK she along with her brothers have gone trough a lot – ii’s just not fair — PARIS SWEETHART BE STRONG YOUR DAD IS LOOKING DOWN AND WILL KEEP YOU SAFE – BE STRONG, AND BELIEVE – GOD BLESS YOU

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  140. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:12 pm

    ‘newrodrigo’, nevermind. I googled, and I now see the info., regarding Paris attempt to suicide, these articles went into further detail. I’m sure she’ll be ok. Praying for you Paris.

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  141. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:03 pm

    ‘newrodrigo’ How do you know Paris tried to slit her wrist before? And where did you read that she overdosed? I got the news, but the article never went into detail on what Paris did. Where did you get the information from?

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  142. newrodrigo permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:57 pm

    Everything has been building up to this.

    She’s cut her wrists before, but the overdose was the final blow.

    I also blame AEG and Robson for this, as these new allegations have really affected her.

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  143. Angie permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:54 pm

    Poor Paris. I’m praying for her. I wonder what she did, that caused her to go to the hospital. I know she tried to commit suidie, but I wonder what she did to do that. It’s June, and her dad’s 4th year anniversay is coming up, that’s why she’s taking it hard. Poor baby. I’m praying greatly for her. I’m sure she’ll be fine later. She’s in God’s hands. Love you Paris.

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  144. newrodrigo permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:02 pm

    And poor Paris has tried to commit suicide😦

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  145. TatumMarie permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:21 am

    Right, the only interview that allowed room for a twist was with Martin Bashir one because he asked so many loaded questions and edited responses tremendously.

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  146. June 5, 2013 6:47 am

    “Helena, if I were you, I would ban him immediately, because he’s full of mess. And this is a website regarding the vindication of Michael Jackson, not a counseling session for pedophiles.” – Angie

    We needn’t take this person seriously. “Christian” is simply to pull our leg here and tease us with innuendoes. No need to really explain to him/her anything at all.

    At numerous requests I have banned this person (though it won’t help – they return under other names) and will probably delete part of the comments made in reply to his stories as this is indeed not a porn site.

    I am terribly sorry that some comments will have to go.

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  147. June 5, 2013 5:37 am

    “According to their concrete thinking if I said I shared my ice cream with them we would have been eating it out of the same bowl. The whole thing is a matter of semantics.” – lynande

    So they are making all this fuss around the word “share”? I’ve noticed that Michael was not very good at explaining himself during those interviews. He didn’t like public speeches, was evidently nervous and all those impudent questions like ‘Are you a virgin?’ or leading questions like ‘Do you find it acceptable to share a bed with a child?’ shattered him and made him say things he didn’t really mean. Bashir was especially good at playing word games with Michael.

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  148. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 9:57 pm

    From looking at ‘Christians’ comment: “Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal. I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.” – Christian. He’s definately a perv.

    I haven’t read this comment, until now. ‘Christian’, you shouldn’t have ever gotten that close to a 9 year old little girl, and you’re a grown man. First off, grown men shouldn’t be sleeping with little girls, and whoever allowed it is perv themselves. It’s ok, if the same sex, such as boys with boys, and girls with girls, sleep together, but not the oposite sex. That’s why we have separate restrooms for the opposite sex, let alone for sleeping arrangements for the opposite sex. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I hope you end up in jail.

    Helena, if I were you, I would ban him immediately, because he’s full of mess. And this is a website regarding the vindication of Michael Jackson, not a counseling session for pedophiles.

    ‘Christian’, if you need help, go on the Dr. Phil show, but this is not the place.

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  149. lynande51 permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:43 pm

    It’s just that this is not even really happening. This is a group of about 4 girls that think they are cute and funny. They are on Twitter now too. Their entire Mantra consists of the 2 books, the photos and the word sharing. Here is my response to their game with the word sharing..According to their concrete thinking if I said I shared my ice cream with them we would have been eating it out of the same bowl.
    The whole thing is a matter of semantics.What a certain word means when placed in a certain context.You can’t chose one word to base a conclusion on it must be the entire statement and the circumstances in which it was said to reach the true meaning of a word within a statement.

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  150. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:31 pm

    I agree with Helena. Ignore that ‘Christian’ guy, he’s probably trying to find an answer to see if MJ were really a child molestor. Just b/c you may be one, you can’t place that on MJ. MJ had no childhood, had Neverland, etc. MJ was only trying to recapture his childhood. It’s a shame that people can even think this way. Lunatics for sure. Everyone ignore ‘Christian’, he’s only trying to throw us off, and find false answers.

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  151. June 4, 2013 4:38 pm

    “Why is anyone responding to Christian anyway since it is obviously a detractor sent here to detract? This is so obviously someone elses agenda so just remove the comments and stop wasting time on it/he/she. You only help it when you respond to it at all because there is no conversation to have there. If this was one of my patients I would just end the session because it is inappropriate, end of story.” – lynande51

    Lynette, I’ve allowed this crazy discussion only for the reason that there are too many people thinking that way too. When I read comments on articles about Michael most of them follow the same lines (except that 9-year old girl part of course). This is still a big number of those who keep saying that Michael ‘invited children into his bed’ and make all sorts of crazy suppositions like that one made by this “Christian”.

    Of course he is a detractor and of course he has an agenda, but sometimes I can’t resist giving these people all the rope to hang themselves with. I’m sorry, I probably shouldn’t have.

    However no naughtiness goes unpunished and I’ve immediately paid for mine. I’ve read one more part of Shawn Trell’s testimony and see that he and his lawyer Stebbins turned the discussion of the contract between AEG and Michael into a terrible farce and judging by the lack of media response no one noticed it again.

    So many lies told, so rosy a picture painted of the ‘great’ contract they had! And I absolutely cannot understand why Panish is keeping silent about it! I haven’t yet read the last part of Trell’s testimony but I am beginning to be disappointed with Panish. This was such a great chance to tell the whole truth about that contract but he did not take this opportunity. If he does not do it in the future it will be unforgivable.

    After reading the sweet story Shawn Trell made out of their contract my hair is standing on end. And these lies are going unchallenged?

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  152. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:18 pm

    Exactly.

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  153. lynande51 permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:53 pm

    I have a question…why is anyone responding to Christian anyway since it is obviously a detractor sent here to detract? This is so obviously someone elses agenda so just remove the comments and stop wasting time on it/he/she. You only help it when you respond to it at all because there is no conversation to have there. If this was one of my patients I would just end the session because it is inappropriate, end of story.

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  154. newrodrigo permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:02 pm

    Absolutely.

    The bed stuff was way overblown. Ridiculously overblown, because of the accusations.

    My girlfriends 3 year old niece cones over and she always jumps into my bed and asks for stories and I get beside her and tell them to her. Even her friend got beside us once and I wasn’t going to say no, because somehow it’s wrong or unacceptable from certain people. I love telling stories to kids and interacting with them, because it makes them happy, and it makes me feel good because I’m entertaining them and also myself🙂

    Is it wrong to make children feel loved and see them smile? Even in a situation where they want stories in bed? If anybody says it is, grow the fuck up.
    In this day and age, kids need all the love and innocence that they can get.
    I see kids as young as 8 smoking tabs and swearing worse than adults. That’s wrong.
    And if I want to keep my niece away from that and make her feel loved, unlike most kids nowadays, then so be it. I was playing with toys at 8 and getting stories myself, not exposed to such darkness in the world that seems to be creeping up on the young and corrupting them. It’s frightening.

    Michael had the right idea.

    Now this Christian. ..He’s either a troll or a pe-le…either way, he needs locking up.

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  155. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:36 am

    “The exact thing that society worried Michael would influence people on.
    I guess their fears are now confirmed lol”

    but what MJ meant was sharing your bed as in giving your bed to a guest since it is considered a very good gesture.

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  156. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:32 am

    ” I could feel his erection only if he had certain intentions towards me. From my experience I never saw a man with an erection “just because he had it” – no, each time it was with a certain purpose.”

    Exactly I cant have an intimate feeling like an erection unless it is triggered by a woman I have previously been intimate with kisses etc.

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  157. Truth Prevail permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:28 am

    @Christian

    “The problem is that like most men I have erections while I am sleeping. It is natural. The thing is, should I be worried about that?”

    Okay you should just avoid sleeping with kids altogether especially if you can’t help getting erections.

    Please don’t speak for all men because I am a man and I don’t have erections or feel aroused in anyway when I am sharing my bed with a friend or relative or nephew or niece me personally I don’t have any thoughts or sex or women when I share my bed or with children.

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  158. ISAURA REID permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:51 am

    Exactly right, people make things up – their mind are not in the right place – so stupid to think that way

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  159. June 4, 2013 8:28 am

    “the activity of bed sharing is different amongst blacks and whites. In my house, and many others, it was okay to share beds as long as boys stayed with boys and girls stayed with girls. In the black community, especially the poor -beds are not a sexual component unless you are trying to force someone into bed which Michael never did.” – Tatum

    This is exactly what I wanted to say. Judging by the dimensions of the Jacksons’ house all the boys in the family were crammed into one room and all the girls were in another room. How all the boys slept in one room I cannot imagine – there must have been two of them in an ordinary 90cm wide bed and these beds one over the other. Howver this was normal for Michael. He grew up that way and most probably did not even understand what others meant by all that talk about how bad it was to “sleep together”.

    If you are used to it from childhood and it has been okay for you for half of your life you will need a lot of explanation to be done to you later to explain why it is finally ‘not okay’ and everyone thinks it so disgusting.

    By the way McCauley Culkin also slept with his brother on a sofa. I remember that it was a very sore point for him that when he was already earning millions his father did not buy him a separate bed.

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  160. June 4, 2013 8:07 am

    “Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal. I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.” – Christian

    I was taking care of my peonies or would have banned you. Yes, I have slept with a man but I could feel his erection only if he had certain intentions towards me. From my experience I never saw a man with an erection “just because he had it” – no, each time it was with a certain purpose.

    That is why if you indeed had an erection for “a 9-year old girl living next door to you” it means that you are a pedophile. Normal men do not have erections for little girls. Normal men do not have erections for little boys. Normal men have aversion for this kind of thing.

    Tell me that it was a nasty joke or I will ban you or report you to someone who will handle you professionally.

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  161. newrodrigo permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:56 am

    The exact thing that society worried Michael would influence people on.
    I guess their fears are now confirmed lol

    I’m not entertaining this troll however.

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  162. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:35 am

    Why are you sleeping in bed with girls and so close? I think your trying to be funny and this is not the place.

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  163. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:30 am

    @Christian
    So is it wrong for you to sleep in the bed with your own son?

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  164. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:25 am

    This person is just ignorant. I couldnt agree with Dr. Katz observation of Michael because a 10 year old would never be a parental figure to those children. The whole bed sharing drama was blew up by the white main stream media. The facts are like you’ve stated Michael never invited anyone in his bed but at the same time the activity of bed sharing is different amongst blacks and whites. In my house, and many others, it was okay to share beds as long as boys stayed with boys and girls stayed with girls. In the black community, especially the poor -beds are not a sexual component unless you are trying to force someone into bed which Michael never did.

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  165. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:03 am

    Forgive me for asking Helena but have you never slept with a man? If you have you would know this was quite normal.

    I was quite ashamed the other morning when I woke up and my erection was pressing against the 9 year old girl from next door I was sleeping with.

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  166. June 4, 2013 6:49 am

    “Sometimes it is because I have to pee and if I get up and relieve myself it goes down. Other times.. I am interested in your thoughts.” -Christian

    That was quite informative, thank you. My thoughts are that Michael probably did the same. Also went to pee and that settled the problem. Then he went back and tried to fall asleep again. If there were some children sleeping in that room I don’t see what effect it could have on his actions. Seeing them there most probably cooled his head after having erotic dreams about women.

    If he could not fall asleep (which he certainly couldn’t) I hear he went to his huge bathroom and listened to music there. He had a big collection of music in his bathroom.

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  167. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 6:39 am

    Thank you for taking me seriously Helena. Sometimes it is because I have to pee and if I get up and relieve myself it goes down. Other times, though this is rare, I may have an erotic dream about some woman. Sometimes I wake up, sometimes I have a vague recollection about having had such a dream when I awake in the morning. I suppose there are times when I have no idea whether I have had an erection in the night or not.

    You mentioned nocturnal emissions, this hasn’t happened since I was 14.

    I am interested in your thoughts.

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  168. June 4, 2013 6:20 am

    “What are your suggestions?” – Christian

    I am not a man, so please inform me on the subject before I make any suggestions. What do you do when you stay in bed alone and have an erection in sleep? Does it always wake you up? And what do you do next? And how big is the problem, I mean, how often does it happen?

    Sorry for asking but it is not me who started this intriguing subject.

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  169. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:30 am

    Helena I agree, a bed and sleeping does not equal sex but what can I do about this embarrassing problem? What would Michael have done? We know he was a hot blooded heterosexual male and would have had the same problem with Macauley on one side of him and Kieran on the other.

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  170. June 4, 2013 4:38 am

    “Sleep and sex are two different things, get that in your head.” – Angie

    Exactly.

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  171. June 4, 2013 4:27 am

    “Hello, I have taken Michael Jacksons advice and started sharing my bed with children which I really love.” – Christian

    There is no need for stretching the truth here. Michael NEVER gave this advice to anyone. And we do NOT advise it to anyone at all.

    This was not an “activity” for Michael – it was simply a way of life. He slept on the floor most of the time and gave his bed to others. In his Hideout flat he did not even have a bed at all and slept in a sleeping bag on the floor, did you know that?

    Most of the children say that when they crammed into Michael’s bed to watch TV, etc. he would stay on some couch or sleep on the floor. One of the reasons why he was doing it was most probably his back – he preferred a hard surface for sleep (after his stay in Ireland they had to change the mattress for a softer one for tourists who now stay in the same bed – the one he had was impossible to sleep on).

    As to children they imposed themselves on him and not he on them – this is what is crucial here. He never “invited” and never “advised”. They simply followed him everywhere he went and he adjusted himself to it as he could never say “No” to anyone, especially to a child.

    Unless we had exactly the same kind of life, faced the same isolation as Michael did and have turned into exactly the same people like Michael none of us are expected to behave the way Michael did. All of us are too “adult” for it – in the meaning of us having too much dirt in our minds.

    You are an adult and he was a big kid. Even psychologists like Katz said that he was a “regressed ten-year old’. This I can only partially agree with but in terms of perceiving the world he was more like a kid than a seasoned “adult”.

    The world is hypocritical and he was sincere to the point of harming himself. No one forced him to speak on TV that he would give his bed to children or anyone at all, but he nevertheless said it and by saying it showed his incredible innocence.

    People like that can’t even imagine any of the things you are talking of.

    And if males have erections in their sleep I think it results in a spontaneous ejaculation and that’s it.

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  172. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 3:33 am

    ‘Christian’, obviously you’re a perv, MJ wasn’t. Sharing your bed with children are not for everyone, only for people who are sane, and who doesn’t think about sex 24/7, or whenever they are lying down. I even slept with children myself, and sex was no where to be found in my mind. Only going to sleep. Why can’t going to sleep only be about going to sleep, why does sex have to be involved? I guess sex is in the minds of pervs. Everyone in the world sleeps, animals, insects, flowers, people, etc. Why can’t you just sleep without thinking about sex? You obviously have sex issues for sure, if you can’t even sleep without thinking about sex. Sleep and sex are two different things, get that in your head.

    MJ never had a childhood, so he thought it special to be able to recapture his childhood by befriending children, and purchasing Neverland, etc.. MJ obviously saw himself as a child when he saw children, that’s why he dressed them like himself many times. MJ also saw the face of God when he saw children. MJ felt loved and comfort when he was with children, they were his inspiration, and what kept him going in life. MJ said, “If it weren’t for children, I would choose death”. This is why MJ shared his bed with children, etc., because he felt loved and comfort with them. It was all out of purity. I’m a living witness. ‘Christian’, please go seek some help before you be behind bars.

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  173. Christian permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:33 am

    Hello, I have taken Michael Jacksons advice and started sharing my bed with children which I really love. The only problem is that sometimes I wake during the night and I have an erection. Should I be worried? I am not sexually attracted to children at all.

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  174. May 26, 2013 5:11 am

    “I pray to God that this is the last time that Michaels good name is dragged to the mud… thank you to all of the fans and the people that believe in Michael – we have to keep praying and believing and continue his work – thank you God Bless You All” – Isaura Reid

    Thank you too. Indeed all of us need to keep praying. You are asking why this is happening? Probably because the Master of Deception is raging and is going completely mad. May God help us in this long and enduring fight for the truth. God Bless you all.

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  175. ISAURA REID permalink
    May 25, 2013 9:30 pm

    I pray to God that this is the last time that Michaels good name is dragged to the mud, – It is very upsetting, I ask myself WHY, why so many have to pick on MJ, why to treat such a good, honest, amazing human been like this, – He was (is) so very special – maybe that is why because it will never be another like HIM – thank you to all of the fans and the people that believe in Michael – we have to keep praying and believing and continue his work – thank you God Bless You All – L.O.V.E – PEACE

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  176. May 24, 2013 2:09 am

    “I’ve already said it, but AEG is losing their case and WR is showing his true colors. God is still taking care of Michael, through people that still believe and trust in him. I give God the glory for what he’s doing here, and I also give you the appreciation for being a tool that God is using.” – Linda

    Yes, AEG is losing their case and it can’t be different, however the main problem here is for the general public to see things as they are and not to be led astray by all those outside issues like WR and his lies. So it is absolutely not enough to win the case in court – AEG created a situation now when the overall reputation of Michael Jackson is at stake.

    AEG evidently decided that if they cannot win the case they will at least drown Michael in the mud to “justify” all the contempt they felt for the “freak” which is why they treated him in this despicable way.

    As to being a tool God is using – thank you, Linda, I am just trying to do what I think God is expecting of me. But let me also say that ALL of us are expected to be co-workers of God. This is why we come into life at all and this is the ultimate purpose of our lives as human beings. Otherwise our life is wasted or lived only at an animal level. And humans are only half-animals. There is still another half.

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  177. Linda permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:19 am

    @vindicatemj

    Let me redirect you and everybody else to the real source of all these miracles – it is the power so overwhelming, so mighty and so incredibly inventive and even witty in guiding people, that it leaves me awestruck.

    I know that feeling Helena. I may have alluded to this here before, but when I was being attacked at my church by an ex-husband who got several deacons and elders believing some horrible things about me I heard God’s voice several times. He said, basically to keep my mouth shut and he would vindicate me.

    Don’t you know how badly I wanted to speak out against all the lies, but I knew God was going to take care of it, so hard as it was I walked in there several times a week with my head held high. I felt like crawling in there with my head bowed in shame knowing what people were thinking of me.

    In one night everything came out at a private meeting with the pastor and these deacons and elders. My Pastor showed some legal documents to them that he asked me for and they were all shamed, because they also had gone against me over what my ex was saying about me.

    I didn’t have to fight to prove that I was a descent person, God did that for me through other people. “Be still, and know that I am God” took on a whole new meaning for me. I have a feeling God dealt with Michael much like he did with me, because he also didn’t get out there and defend himself or bash those that insulted him. I think he prayed and let God handle his enemies.

    Michael talked a lot about God, not a higher power, not an unseen force, or some inner strength. He gave credit where credit was due, to God. So many people are afraid to say God did this, or God spoke to me. God speaks, all we have to do is listen, and we’ll hear him.

    I’ve already said it, but AEG is losing their case and WR is showing his true colors. God is still taking care of Michael, through people that still believe and trust in him. I give God the glory for what he’s doing here, and I also give you the appreciation for being a tool that God is using.

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  178. May 9, 2013 7:27 am

    Helena,I have some problems with the windows7 to which I had my computer upgraded. I did not know the change would make my previous,clear and easy e-mail disappear. Supposedly it is still somewhewre in the computer, just no I have not installled a new one. Will wait till I get some expert advice.There was also my address book with all my friends, medical journals etc. I will make efforts to retrieve it before I install a new one. I never foresaw this problem.

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  179. May 2, 2013 5:33 am

    “Check out this article on Thome, in french,I did only understand much of it.But I think it is relevant.”

    Kaarin, from what I could make out of the Google translation it is a rather well-known article written by Roger Friedman. He interviewed Tohme and when checking up on him discovered that Tohme was no doctor, no ambassador and was working for the Colony Capital. The article was published in Forbes but as it is customary now is no longer found.

    I copied it when the link was still working and used it in this post: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/the-story-of-michael-jackson-tohme-neverland-and-some-irrelevant-questions/

    Here is the article again:

    February 17, 2012

    Michael Jackson‘s estate has finally filed a lawsuit against Tohme Tohme, who used to call himself “Doctor.” Tohme was Michael Jackson’s penultimate manager–meaning he was replaced just before Jackson’s death by Jackson’s longtime manager and friend, Frank DiLeo. But Tohme, the estate says in a complaint filed by attorney Howard Weitzman, ran amok during his short term between January 2008 and March 2009. It was Tohme, working for Thomas Barrack‘s Colony Capital, who pulled off the sale of Neverland to Colony.

    But according to the complaint, Jackson never understood that Tohme was also going to receive a finder’s fee for doing work for his own employer. Jackson had no lawyer representing him in his many signed agreements with Tohme, and so didn’t understand that when Colony came up with $24 million to bail out Neverland, Tohme would get $2.4 million.

    Tohme, the complaint further reads, got Jackson to sign an agreement paying him $35,000 a month. He was also to receive 15% of all gross compensation Jackson received for anything he did in the entertainment field. Jackson signed not one but two Power of Attorney documents giving Tohme “extraordinary” powers. He also gave himself a $100,000 per month producers fee for the run of Jackson’s London concert dates–from July 2009 through at least March 2010.

    All of this Jackson signed without a lawyer, and despite numerous stories (many written by yours truly) about Tohme’s many assertions about his credentials being false.It was during Tohme’s regime, for example, that the contents of Neverland were emptied and consigned to an auction house in Beverly Hills. The auction didn’t proceed when Jackson finally got a grip, and a lawyer, stopped the auction. Tohme then took back the contents and warehoused them.

    When Jackson died, the estate had to negotiate with him to get back the property. Out of luck was Julien’s Auction House, which published a now collectible catalog of everything that had been in Neverland.“Tohme took possession and control of money and property that belonged to Jackson. Tomhe did not return to Jackson and refuses to deliver to the executors all of the property and cash belonging to Jackson that Tohme took possession and control of.”

    On a side note, Tohme used to claim he was a doctor from Lebanon. But he could never prove to me that he was a doctor and when I questioned him about it in 2008, he told me wasn’t practicing. He did say he was Ambassador at Large to Senegal, but their Embassies denied it.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/17/michael-jackson-executors-finally-sue-singers-final-manager/

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  180. May 2, 2013 5:08 am

    Helena.my own computer is out of order at this time.Check out tis article on Thome, in french,I did only understand much of it.But I think it is relevant. Who sys that he ever stopped Working fot TB as well.

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  181. April 29, 2013 11:35 am

    For info on Thome Thome see,www.Re.Mysterieux Thome Thome-MJFrance Forum. It is in french.He is no doctor of anything and nobodys ambassador.An article march 6th 2013

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  182. Sina permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:12 pm

    I really hope Michael’s mom and children are not aware of the nasty things people say, using their son and father as an excuse.

    Accusing Katherine Jackson of the dirt that AEG and the public are throwing at Michael is as ignorant as blaming a woman who got raped for exercising her rght to walk on the street when and how she wants to. It is a waste of time to try reason with that kind of rethoric.
    To me the title ‘Fan’ lost its meaning when Michael died. Now it means anyone who can log in and have access to a fansite or forum, nothing more, nothing less.
    I am a supporter of Michael but more than that I support justice and truth, and not fan sites, groups or self-proclaimed MJ experts.
    I respect the bloggers and some individual fans who do a tremendous job as advocates for justice and awareness and for the preservation and advancement of Michaels artistic and humanitarian work. Or for taking care of weekly flowers at his site.
    Michaels legacy is untouchable, has been for more than 40 years, even in the darkest times.
    Everyone should rely on their own common sense and not be afraid to go against popular opinion. That is what Michael was up against his entire life.

    @ Helena. Maybe its better to delete the comment, its not worth quoting, it does not represent anything that Michael stood for.

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  183. April 27, 2013 1:28 pm

    Helena, I read your mail and I will answer you.
    It’s incredible what’s going on on some forums and I saw it also in the past. That’s why I never go to forums, because people there are only discussing and arguing and want to get their opinions out. They rather want to talk themselves than to study and listen. It’s not a fruitful communication because people are rather interested in expressing their opinions than to study the facts and learn. I’ve seen it many times. That’s why I feel at home here.

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  184. Linda permalink
    April 27, 2013 8:00 am

    @Helena

    I won’t tell you what particular forum it is, but it is a well-respected MJ forum which is used by many of us as a reliable source of information (this is why I went there). Instead of Michael’s fans I found myself surrounded by AEG’s collaborators calling Katherine an enemy and dragging through the mud her and her “deadbeat cubs”.

    It’s really sad when a fan site that we feel is reliable does a flip flop like this. Then can do more damage than all the haters out there. I can’t understand anyone standing on AEG’s side in this. They were horrible and seemingly had one intention. To destroy Michael and take him for everything. I’m along the same line as someone else that posted here. I don’t believe they had any intention of these concerts taking place.

    They were going to put him out of commission, one way or another, and it didn’t matter to them if he got too sick to do them, or died trying. There, I finally said what I’ve alluded to many times but couldn’t bring myself to say it. As far as I’m concerned, they killed Michael, and he was not an addict. An addict is going to be healthier than an average 50 year old.

    I think Michael dealt with a lot of pain in his body, like I do. People have worried about me becoming addicted to pain pills. I tell them I would rather be addicted to pain pills than the pain. Pain pills can also help with emotional trauma, which he had more than the average person by far, so it’s very understandable if he used them to get through some of those hard times, but we also know that he used every tool at his disposal not to become an addict.

    I haven’t figured out what web site you are referring to since I rarely go to any other fan site but yours. I let you do most of my hard work, thank you very much. Now I’m going to see if this one will post and if it does I’m going to type up for you exactly what the malware message says and try it again.

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  185. April 27, 2013 12:48 am

    “I suppose it could be a coincidence since computers are pretty weird, so I won’t jump to any conclusions, but I know Michael’s haters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves, and I’m sure so does AEG. It may be coincidental, but it’s interesting that the only time I’ve ever gotten a warning like this for you site is right before the big trial.”

    Linda, I am not surprised, not surprised at all. Nothing surprises me any longer.

    “I’m sure the media will make a circus of this and most people still won’t realize the truth. The comments section on every article about this is mostly negative. Michael brought it down on himself, drug addict, poor Murray, money hungry family still trying to make a buck off Jacko. Hopefully, someday people will see the truth. I’m hoping “This is it.”’

    The fact that the media says it is not surprising – we never expected anything of them. But who do you think is saying this?

    I’m looking forward seeing Katherine on stand and trying to keep up with her web of lies.

    I hope AEG has been keeping tabs on their interviews and use them in trial for exposing their lies and how they twist everything to fit their agenda.

    At this stage, I don’t care how badly K and her cubs are exposed during the trial, they deserve every bit of it, and more.

    I can’t wait to see all of the Jacksons explain away how they change their minds to suit. I hope AEG have done their homework. And I am seriously hoping LaToya is called, can’t wait to see her explanation of how she knows her brother was murdered.

    AEG’s strategy should be to go after her and her real motivations for filing this lawsuit.

    By showing her contradictions and lies to the jurors, AEG might be able to reduce the amount of money (in case AEG loses) jurors are willing to award Katherine. If AEG shows the lies, contradictions, Katherine’s own responsibility to MJ, her greediness for money will portray her in bad light, so I think it might help AEG reduce the amount she’ll be awarded if any, at least I hope so.

    I won’t tell you what particular forum it is, but it is a well-respected MJ forum which is used by many of us as a reliable source of information (this is why I went there). However instead of Michael’s fans I found myself surrounded by AEG’s collaborators calling Katherine an enemy and dragging through the mud her and her “deadbeat cubs”.

    I’ve spent there the whole day trying to say a couple of words on what I saw, but all I got was a 3 hour moderation of my replies and a long argument with the admin who accused me of bias towards Katherine while they are (notwithstanding 130 pages of statements similar to the above) are evidently being totally unbiased.

    What did you recently tell me about the way to know the real value of things? That you will know them by their fruits, right? So what are we supposed to think of this “fan” forum then? There are so many of these people, some of them being brainwashed, but many knowing perfectly well what they are doing, and it is them who are determining the general attitude of the public. It is them who write all that dirt about Michael’s mother and praise AEG for what they are doing now and what they did to Michael.

    This is why coming here and seeing the dear you after the horror of it is an indescribable feeling. I am so happy that I have you and others and we are staying together. How much longer this will last before they grab our passwords and get here too I don’t know – but they are already here, among us, reading these words now.

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  186. Linda permalink
    April 26, 2013 10:31 am

    Helena, I did get that same message again tonight when I posted, but this time I do see my post . I wrote it all down for you but can’t find it in the comments. Your prtsc didn’t work either. My computer froze up on that page only. Really weird. If you want I’ll write it all down for you again exactly what it said. I don’t know what is going on here but this is really weird.

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  187. Linda permalink
    April 26, 2013 8:59 am

    @Helena

    In theory someone could try to enter this blog to steal my password and destroy the blog from within, or it may be a trick to drive people away from it (and then who is doing it I wonder?)

    That is exactly the thing that came to my mind Helena, and then the fact that it wouldn’t let me copy it made me think it even more. I must have tried 10 times to copy it because I wanted you to see it. I wish I would have thought to write it down for you, but if I get it again I have your instructions for a screen shot. I’ll do that next time and get it to you.

    I suppose it could be a coincidence since computers are pretty weird, so I won’t jump to any conclusions, but I know Michael’s haters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves, and I’m sure so does AEG. It may be coincidental, but it’s interesting that the only time I’ve ever gotten a warning like this for you site is right before the big trial.

    This trial, to me is even more interesting than dr Murray’s. IF all goes well, we might get to the truth of what really happened and who ALL was actually responsible for Michael’s death. Murray was a fall guy and guilty as charged, but he isn’t the only culprit. He didn’t testify in his own trial and doesn’t want to in this one either. Interesting. What’s keeping his mouth shut? Or should I ask, Who? Or should I ask what’s he getting by not talking, and from who?

    I’m sure the media will make a circus of this and most people still won’t realize the truth. The comments section on every article about this is mostly negative. Michael brought it down on himself, drug addict, poor Murray, money hungry family still trying to make a buck off Jacko. Hopefully, someday people will see the truth. I’m hoping “This is it.”

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  188. April 25, 2013 6:13 pm

    And there was one more sad announcement which came from WordPress. They say that Yahoo will no longer allow publicizing the blog through a previously built-in Publicize feature. I don’t know whether it concerns all wordpress blogs (probably it does) but the message was as follows:

    WordPress.com
    Apr 15 (10 days ago)

    to me
    Hi there,

    We’re getting in touch to let you know about a change in the Sharing Settings on your WordPress.com or Jetpack-powered WordPress site.

    One of your sites was previously connected to Yahoo! Updates through the Publicize feature. Yahoo! is no longer supporting their Updates API, so we’ve disabled your connection and your posts will no longer be Publicized to Yahoo! Updates (if you’ve connected any other services, such as Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Tumblr, these will still work just as before). You don’t need to do anything, we’re just letting you know.

    You can check your current Publicize connections by visiting Settings → Sharing in your Dashboard.

    You can read more about Publicize in this support article.

    Thanks for flying with WordPress.com!

    This will surely curtail the opportunities previously opened to us on Yahoo.

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  189. April 25, 2013 6:06 pm

    Linda has informed me of the following:

    “my Google Chrome came up with a message that said your website was infected with malware that could steal my identity and all kinds of bad stuff happening to my computer. I tried to copy and paste it to you, but it wouldn’t even let me copy it. I don’t know where that came from and I don’t see my post, so I don’t know what just happened.” – Linda

    I don’t know what it is either, but have checked up the wordpress forum and found the following advice from wordpress if a malware sign appears:

    Site marked as unsafe?
    kellymrivard Member Feb 29, 2012, 9:06 PM

    I’ve been getting complaints lately from regular users saying that their anti-virus programs have been marking my blog as “unsafe.” I can’t think what would be posted there that would be considered a risk. Help?

    timethief Member Feb 29, 2012, 9:10 PM

    Does this help? http://en.support.wordpress.com/https/#how-do-i-get-those-annoying-security-warnings-to-go-away
    Note that your readers can “white-list” your site in their anti-virus programs.

    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/site-marked-as-unsafe?replies=4#post-830104

    Another piece of forum information is a useful tip for me. It seems that making links to pictures on the Internet may be unsafe, so I will now first download them to my computer and only then post them here. I will also try to go over the last pictures posted in this blog to see which were taken direct from the Internet to reload them via my computer:

    need help ou my wordpress acusing some kind of malware
    casualfashionsl Member Aug 13, 2012, 4:45 AM

    Hi there!
    I came here to ask for your help. When I try to enter in my wordpress blog, through the google chrome, appears some mind of malware saying the blog is unsafe… I don’t know whats going on… It’s something about a google evaluation that the owner of wordpress need to ask for our blog… Can you help us solving this?

    auxclass Member Aug 13, 2012, 4:59 AM

    typically this happens when you are linking off site with something – common for pictures that are hot linked from a site that is suspicious – are you linking to pictures off site?

    timethief Member Aug 13, 2012, 5:53 AM

    Click on the link within the malware warning notice as doing that gives you more information and help you identify the source of the issue.

    http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/need-help-ou-my-wordpress-acusing-some-kind-of-malware-1?replies=3#post-974952

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  190. April 25, 2013 3:18 pm

    I have a feeling that this lull is the eve of a big fight between Truth and Lies.
    God help us.

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  191. April 25, 2013 2:20 pm

    “This overactivity in the press must be AEGs work.” – kaarin

    Yes, it must be AEG. But how are they doing it so that 200 plus news sources immediately spread it all over the world?

    T.Barrack goes and buys them up, converts them to rental homes with good profit.It is….How to make money on peoples misery.

    People divide into those who help and those who take advantage of others in misery.
    When those who take advantage of others call it their “saving” this is is called cynicism.
    And when they shout all over the world that they “saved” something or someone not disclosing the real fraudulent terms on which it was done what is it called? Successful business?

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  192. April 25, 2013 1:37 pm

    All this overactivity in the press has to with the suit against AEG and Valerie Wass trying to overturn Murrays verdict. I wonder what she will do with those masses of the implant stories as she has based most of her work on Michael using demerol.That was Kleins choice,as he said it has some local anestetic qualities as well.This overactivity in the press must be AEGs work.
    Thomas Barracks specialty is distressed property. As you know many people lost their homes as they could no longer pay the mortgage. The bank took the homes and left the people with the debt. Now banks have sold these homes in bulk,100 or so at a time. No way for a private person to attend such auctions. T.Barrack goes and buys them up, converts them to rental homes with good profit.It is….How to make money on peoples misery.

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  193. April 25, 2013 12:22 pm

    “That story from the Sun about the implant is the biggest nonsense. If that were true we all know it would have been in the autopsy, so how can anyone believe it?” – Linda

    The story has been disseminated by so many sources that it is natural for people to believe. It is the usual way lies are propagated. The one who has not heard or doesn’t believe it may even feel ashamed that he is so “backward”:

    “Have you heard that Michael Jackson had this and that? You haven’t??? But it is all over the news!” They will laugh at the person’s “ignorance” though in fact he is simply not falling for the lies. To avoid this mockery people often keep silent and don’t bother to argue. And this is how the lies win.

    The problem in the case of this implant is that the disproval of the lie is not getting the necessary coverage. In fact it does not get any coverage at all.

    “the Bible, talking about the true believers says, “You’ll know them by their fruits.” There’s a lot of deceivers in the world that try to look good but their fruit is rotten.”

    Exactly. Knowing people by their fruits is the only way! If you come to think of it by showing us the way to differentiate deceivers from those who tell the truth the Bible is pointing to us where the real evil is – it is in LIES. And the more I live the more I realize that it is indeed the case. Lies are the ultimate evil no matter for which reason they are told. Truth is the only remedy to heal the world.

    Michael was thinking that way too. Look at his lyrics in Cry:

    Stories buried and untold
    Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
    When will this mystery unfold

    All we have to do
    Is reach for the truth

    And when that flag blows
    There’ll be no more wars
    And when all calls
    I will answer all your prayers

    Change the world

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  194. April 25, 2013 11:53 am

    “I think the Jackson family probably shouldn’t need all this money, but if this is what it takes for all guilty of Michael’s death then it’s good. I always felt AEG has a lot to account for.” – Linda

    That much money they probably needn’t but they won’t get it anyway. As fas as I know civil suits are always for bigger sums with a view that only some part of the money asked is awarded. But to me this money thing is primarily the matter of justice and is more of how much AEG loses than how much the Jacksons gain.

    AEG’s major driving force was squeezing the maximal profit from Michael, so in terms of justice they should reap what they have sown. Their greed ruined Michael’s life, so it would be only fair if now it rebounded upon themselves. And what the Jacksons do with the money (if they get it) will be Katherine’s business. I trust her judgment and think that though she will surely take care of all her children, a least some of it will be spent on the projects Michael would approve. Probably Neverland will be purchased back.

    In Sullivan’s book Tohme said that Barrack planned to sell Neverland at four times as much as he paid for it:

    It was a Tom Barrack kind of deal. He had never been the sort of investor who wanted to “ chase yield” by buying properties with secure tenants and predictable returns, preferring to seek out undervalued assets that could be rehabilitated and sold for a big profit. That was exactly how he’d made a killing on London’s Savoy Hotel. Neverland Ranch, he imagined, might sell for as much as $50 million if it was marketed properly. Aside from being relieved of payment obligations, Michael was guaranteed to receive whatever profits were left after Colony deducted its investment in the note, plus accrued interest, management, upkeep expenses, and a 12 percent “ success fee.” If Barrack was right about the eventual sale price, Jackson stood to come away with as much as $20 million.

    …Reeling from a simultaneous collapse of the real estate and financial markets in fall 2008 that had already cost him an estimated $1.3 billion, Barrack was energized by the realization that at least one of his properties might actually be increasing in value. By January 2009, Colony Capital had hired eighty workers to complete Neverland’s refurbishment, all with an eye to selling the place for up to four times what he had paid for it, as Barrack explained to the Wall Street Journal.

    In the book Tohme says that Barrack would share the profit with Michael if Neverland were sold however I don’t believe him – Tom Barrack himself said that he bought the foreclosure note on Neverland on condition that Colony Capital gained ownership of it:

    Nov 28, 2010

    Colony would bail Jackson out of his substantial debt; in return, the firm would assume ownership of Neverland, and Jackson, after a thirteen-year hiatus, would go back to work to generate new revenue. http://nymag.com/news/business/69782/index1.html

    If the Neverland deal was not reversed and all its terms still hold it would be interesting to see what happens if the Jacksons want to buy Neverland back. If we are to believe Tohme, even if they pay for it four times as much, under the terms of that agreement they are still to get half of the profit back, aren’t they?

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  195. Linda permalink
    April 25, 2013 8:29 am

    The Sun and National Enquire are in the same league. How can anybody buy these papers, believe the crap, then write in the comment section like these are factual stories. Are people really that gullible or do they just use anything to spout off their hate? That story from the Sun about the implant is the biggest nonsense. If that were true we all know it would have been in the autopsy, so how can anyone believe it?

    Other point Helena, I do agree that when anyone dies people have a habit of saying they are in a better place no matter how they lived. I guess that’s trying to make people feel better about their death, but not always true. Everybody that dies doesn’t go to heaven, but the Bible, talking about the true believers says, “You’ll know them by their fruits.” There’s a lot of deceivers in the world that try to look good but their fruit is rotten. Michael did a lot of good but never advertised it. He did his good deeds before God, not man. I’d much rather have God pat me on the back than the entire human race.

    Deceivers can keep up a good front for a time, but eventually their true nature is going to slip up. Michael was human and did make mistakes like we all do, but he always came through with a pure and humble spirit. I see a lot of good fruit in his life. You will reap what you sow, either in this life or the next, and Michael sowed a lot of good seed.

    I think the Jackson family probably shouldn’t need all this money, but if this is what it takes for all guilty of Michael’s death then it’s good. I always felt AEG has a lot to account for.

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  196. March 3, 2013 7:49 am

    “I wish more people did before judging him. But, “judge not, lest you be judged” is something to think about.” -Linda

    Yesterday evening I read a terrible site run by people calling themselves conservatives: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/michaeljackson/index?more=7227775 . The site is an incredible read. “SHED NO TEARS FOR THIS TWISTED SICKO” typed in bold letters is a typical headline.

    They think themselves so clever, so knowledgeable and so important. But what you really see is only ignorance, conceit and a good deal of fake belief in God which they parade on every occasion. The sight of these pathetic clowns is both disgusting and hilarious. On occasions they criticize some hateful “communists” who are supposed to be their total opposites. If they only knew that these “communists” are exactly the same kind of people, with the same stereotyped thinking, lack of flexibility and ignorance. Both types supposedly know everything there is to know, while in reality no one can be more backward than they are. In fact these ‘freerepublic’ people and our hardliners would make a perfect match. If only they could be placed on some island! They have so much in common that they could probably make it.

    After reading this site I realize that it is not only ped-lia lobby which is trying to bring Michael down, but people like the above too. If the proportion of these people is high among the population then the fight for Michael will be long, tiresome and bloody. And the most terrible thing of all is that they simply don’t want to know.

    Their hypocrisy and double standards are unbelievable. On the one hand they can say that Michael has “excessive coverage” (in case a neutral story appears) but on the other hand they clap their hands and are the first to run with lies (if they are nasty of course).

    In general they biggest woe now is that Michael’s death was mourned by millions of people – this is something they simply cannot get over. “This orgy of phoney grief over Jacko shows how empty our values have become”, “Mob grief proves Britain is more wacko than Jacko” are again the typical headlines.

    One article has caught my attention though. It is called “What you Believe does Matter . . . FOR ETERNITY (Michael Jackson’s Life)”. The article is the usual ritualistic scream about the way hypocrites understand Jesus. Their own behavior is the best evidence that they understood nothing of what Jesus said and did, but this nevertheless does not stop them from screaming the loudest. Here is an excerpt:

    What you believe does matter . . . FOR ETERNITY!!! In all of the intense media coverage after the death of pop superstar Michael Jackson, the one thing that has driven me crazy has been hearing over and over, often by high-profile Christians, that Michael is now at peace in Heaven. Really? I hear this same thing whenever a famous person dies, regardless of what they believed during their life, as well as from people when a family member or close friend dies, again, regardless of what they believed during their life.

    If this is true, then what is the use of the Gospel? If this is true, why should anyone waste their time and effort telling people about Jesus? If this is true, then the death of Jesus on the cross was a meaningless exercise, His resurrection didn’t need to occur, and people can believe whatever they want during this life and make it to Heaven. THAT MY FRIEND IS THE UNIVERSALISTIC LIE FROM HELL!!!
    ..
    After his child molestation trial concluded, on June 17, 2005 I wrote these words, “Even though he has been acquitted of the charges brought against him, the moment he dies he will stand before The Judge, God Himself. At that moment, if he dies without Christ he will be standing all alone. There will be no high-priced defense attorney, no family, no fans, only God who will judge him for his sins and cast him into everlasting darkness. At that moment, if he has accepted Christ as his Savior by faith, he won’t be standing alone. Next to him will be the ultimate defense attorney, JESUS CHRIST, who will tell The Judge that his sins have been paid for and Michael Jackson will be ushered into God’s presence for all eternity.”
    ….. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2283167/posts

    So this author says that if he dies without Christ he will be standing all alone there? And there will be no defense attorneys?

    But isn’t the overwhelming grief that suddenly took over so many people the best proof that Michael wasn’t standing there all alone? And there was a huge multitude of defense attorneys speaking for him? These were the millions of people who suddenly woke up to understanding that they had lost someone very precious to the whole humankind and were remembering him for all the infinite good he had done to them. These were Michael’s defense attorneys and their voices surely did reach the heavens.

    We don’t need any more proof than that.

    P.S. Guys, I’ve changed it a bit and turned it into a post. Just could not resist it.

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  197. March 3, 2013 5:57 am

    “It’s only what’s interesting or important to you that you will be willing to spend time researching. We, fortunately find Michael important enough to get to know him.” – Linda

    Linda, only three and a half hours of sleep and here I am again, amazed as usual that this is happening to me. Yes, of course it is only what’s interesting and important that I will be sacrificing my life for this way. But Michael is not simply important – he is crucial. This I know for sure.

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  198. Linda permalink
    March 2, 2013 10:15 am

    @Helena

    It’s only what’s interesting or important to you that you will be willing to spend time researching. We, fortunately find Michael important enough to get to know him. I wish more people did before judging him. But, “judge not, lest you be judged” is something to think about. We all have things in our lives that we wouldn’t want to go public. Poor Michael didn’t have a choice about that. Any and everything in his life was fodder for the media. It’s like our first Lady Michelle Obama, LOL, she changed her bangs and made headlines for weeks. So totally stupid.

    As famous as she is, she doesn’t hold a candle to Michael. He couldn’t even fart without the whole world knowing about it. I admire him greatly, but wouldn’t want to trade places with him. He actually accomplished his goal. He didn’t want to be, just another, whatever, entertainer off the assembly line, like everybody else. He wanted to be unique, different. Everything he did got him there, but what a price in the end. The most popular and loved man in the world, and the most hounded. To know him would have to be to love him.

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  199. March 1, 2013 12:28 pm

    “You’re awesome and humble. I like that you don’t want to take credit for anything Michael.”

    Lynda, thank you for thinking so well of me, but I am not really humble. For example, it hurts me a lot when someone uses the research I make and attributes it to themselves (it concerns not one or two people, it is a rather wide-spread process). It hurts because this way people take things ready-made without contributing any of their time to it, but stealing my health and several years of my life that went into learning all that. That is why I ask people to make references to this blog if they express the same ideas, but this does not always happen.

    But what I absolutely cannot attribute to myself is the process how some discoveries were made. Up till now (I keep my fingers crossed) it has always been a combination of diligence with a good deal of chance and sheer luck when something I was looking for was suddenly given as a kind of a insight. This is the wonder of it and each time it invariably left me in awe.

    Essentially it is the same as the process described by Michael – you sit on a tree marvelling at the beauty of nature and then a song drops in your lap ready-made. And though our contributions are incomparable of course, there is one common feature here – the origin of both processes is the same. The insight drops from somewhere high above.

    Many scientists, writers, musicians experience this and will tell you the same. If you try it hard enough you will make it too. First you study the puzzle in minute detail and then a lightning bolt comes and brings the puzzle together. The usual reaction is “How could I not see it earlier? It is right here, so plain and easy”. However there is one important condition for the miracle to work – it doesn’t happen if you are not studying hard enough and don’t “heat up” your brain with thinking.

    In short it is what Jesus said:”Seek and you will find”.
    (And if you don’t seek you will not find).

    “I had a very emotional, very beautiful night tonight with my daughter via e-mail, so I’m a little emotional right now.”

    Great. This is what happiness is all about. It is made up of little moments like this one. Happy for you.

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  200. Linda permalink
    March 1, 2013 11:00 am

    Helena, You’re awesome and humble. I like that you don’t want to take credit for anything Michael. I had a very emotional, very beautiful night tonight with my daughter via e-mail, so I’m a little emotional right now.

    The fact that you were willing to research and start a blog like this is great. I rarely comment on any blog but this one, so you kind of brought me out of my shell. Thank you and keep up the good work. You are making a difference!

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  201. March 1, 2013 10:47 am

    “Golden calf? Is that meant to be ironic?” – Matthew C.

    Yes, it is meant to be ironic. It is used in the meaning of people worshipping money and regarding it as a top fetish to which everything else is sacrificed – conscience, honesty, truth after all. It is for money that people lie, betray, kill and are ready to drag others through the mud.

    If someone like the National Enquirer offers $200,000 to anyone who says that Michael Jackson “molested” him or if someone like Philip Lemarque bargains that for $100,000 he will say MJ touched Culkin on the outside of his pants and for $500,000 he’ll say the hand was inside, it means that these people are praying to the Golden calf. Money is God in their world and comes first on top of everything else, which is in total defiance of real God’s commandments.

    “Michael Jackson WAS a golden calf, a false god. ..people screaming and weeping for him as if he was their lord and savior.”

    I’ve also seen those scenes and was also wondering. My nature is much more restrained and if I had been there I am not sure I could have screamed like that even when I was younger. But I explain it by my cold temperament. After all when Mr. Obama was elected President of the US there were also scenes of shouting and screaming, elation and tears of joy shown on TV. This must be the temperament, because it is highly unlikely that all these millions regard their president as God or pray to him like the Golden calf.

    “Michael Jackson was just a man, and if he hadn’t succumb to the fame, greed, and materialism of celebrity culture then he may have never received all that unwanted negativity publicity either.”

    With people praying only to money Michael Jackson would have received all that negativity all right as he was a precious commodity for the media and their ratings. The materialism of celebrity culture is created not by those who become celebrities due to their talent, but by those who trash the names and lives of these talents to feed off them in order to sell goods and sustain their own worthless lives.

    Yes, Michael Jackson was just a man, and if others had not succumbed to the worst in their corrupt natures he could have done much more – he could have done much more charity than he did (around half a billion), he could have saved the lives of more children (like the one of a Hungarian boy), he could have brought more nations together and taught them to understand simple but fundamental things in life (Heal the world). And he could have composed a lot more of his phenomenal music. However those who really succumbed to greed and materialism (the Golden Calf) stopped all of it.

    “The downfall of celebrities is poetic justice in a way.”

    This is what they call cynicism.

    “They live spiritually unhealthy lives”

    When people choose cynicism as their guiding spirit they choose a really spiritually unhealthy life.

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  202. Matthew Chiglinsky permalink
    March 1, 2013 8:26 am

    Golden calf? Is that meant to be ironic? Michael Jackson WAS a golden calf, a false god. I don’t know what exactly went on in his personal life, but in public people worshiped him like a living god (a false god) for decades. I remember it from the time I was a kid. All those years, music video after music video, and then there were the concerts with people screaming and weeping for him as if he was their lord and savior. It was disgusting.

    Michael Jackson was just a man, and if he hadn’t succumb to the fame, greed, and materialism of celebrity culture then he may have never received all that unwanted negativity publicity either. The downfall of celebrities is poetic justice in a way. They live spiritually unhealthy lives, and it’s no surprise when such a vain world collapses in on them.

    It’s sad what happened to Michael Jackson. It’s sad that near the end of his life he couldn’t even get a decent night’s sleep. I wish he would have been able to express his singing and dancing in a healthier forum, with less fame and attention.

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  203. February 28, 2013 11:49 am

    “We are more than one, and i’m convinced we are making a difference. I’ve learned enough here from this site that when I start talking about MJ, people listen and say “wow, I didn’t know that”, and their opinion is changing, all because of what I’ve learned here… I’m sure, because of you and your research, a lot of people besides me have learned how to defend MJ. Thank you so much for your diligence. “

    Oh Linda, now it is you who make me speechless. Hearing that I could indeed help people to change their opinion of Michael is the best reward I could get. But I am being serious when I have to repeat Michael’s words – it is not me, or at least not wholly me. There is too big an element of a miracle in the whole thing to attribute it to me only.

    When the first facts of Michael’s innocence were uncovered I myself was in a state of shock and surprise – how could it happen that no one saw it before and I found it just at the first click in a Google search? Why those facts simply jumped at me I don’t know, but this initial easiness was what made me start talking about it at all. With so many facts of Michael’s innocence lying around I thought it would be a matter of a couple of months only and all this “misunderstanding” would soon end.

    So I went to a Michael Jackson forum and said “Look here, all the facts are lying here on the surface, why don’t you just pick them up and use them to defend Michael?” However there was a practically zero response. My impression was that Michael’s fans were so fed up with the dirt that they didn’t want to dig in it any further, and so rejected the very idea of it. But I could not leave those facts unattended once I found them, could I? This is how a vindication thread started on that forum and later developed into a separate blog.

    What I am trying to say is that a good deal of it was happening all by itself, by some miraculous chance, and now I realize that even some of the worst troubles that took place on the way were only giving a new direction and impetus to what I and the others were doing. All I can really attribute to myself is curiosity and love for the truth, research skills developed through many years of work and some diligence resulting from it – but all the rest of it is not mine.

    Let me redirect you and everybody else to the real source of all these miracles – it is the power so overwhelming, so mighty and so incredibly inventive and even witty in guiding people, that it leaves me awestruck. It also leaves me relaxed because with a power like that helping us in doing this job for Michael we shouldn’t be afraid of anything at all. The only thing we need to take care of is never lose touch with it.

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  204. Linda permalink
    February 28, 2013 9:48 am

    @Helena

    Please don’t make much of it as the only criterion for our work is whether we are able to change anything in the public perception of Michael Jackson or not.

    You know if I hadn’t found this particular site, I wouldn’t know how to defend Michael. All I had was a gut feeling that he was a good person, but no facts. Because of this site, when his name comes up, I can now give some facts, and a lot of people listen to what I have to say. Pretty much everything I have to say, I learned right here, so you taught me and I teach others what you taught me.

    I once heard a preacher on the radio say “one person can set a church on fire for God”. That was actually God speaking to me personally about something that I was fighting, and it was proven to me about a year later. I’m a slow learner, lol. One person CAN make a difference.

    We are more than one, and i’m convinced we are making a difference. I’ve learned enough here from this site that when I start talking about MJ, people listen and say “wow, I didn’t know that”, and their opinion is changing, all because of what I’ve learned here.

    I’m sure, because of you and your research, a lot of people besides me have learned how to defend MJ. Thank you so much for your diligence.

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  205. February 27, 2013 11:01 pm

    “What is the time span for the million hits? I know it’s not unique visitors but I figure there are about 40 – 60 (maybe) that come to this site on a regular basis including authors”

    Tatum, the first half a million took approximately 24 months, and the second half a million took 15 months. The wordpress says that the administrator’s visits are not included, and as to the other authors I don’t know. I’ve taken away the counter now as this is not the point. In a way the stats is even a distracting factor.

    Of course I am happy that the truth is getting spread and I am very thankful to all those who come here and do this valuable work. However I presume that we are also followed by a big number of Michael’s detractors. And the worst Michael’s opponents too (the ped-lia lobby I previously mentioned). They are simply following my every step.

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  206. TatumMarie permalink
    February 27, 2013 4:41 am

    That’s great Helena! What is the time span for the million hits? I know it’s not unique visitors but I figure there are about 40 – 60 (maybe) that come to this site on a regular basis including authors – but I don’t see how that amount could have populated this many hits alone, I guess it depends on the time. I know you said not to make a big deal but I can’t help it I’m so proud. :’-) This joy is from knowing that many are hearing the truth about Michael.

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  207. February 26, 2013 6:25 pm

    We’ve reached a million hits.

    Please don’t make much of it as the only criterion for our work is whether we are able to change anything in the public perception of Michael Jackson or not.

    If at least some changes for the better have taken place this may be the only reason for celebration. The number of hits matters only if there is a result. Let us look at it only this way.

    And let us keep our fingers crossed about our and Michael’s future. May the Almighty help us.

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  208. February 22, 2013 11:51 pm

    “I feel more in touch with you than I do with most people that I am around.” – Linda

    The two of us must be Martians. I sometimes think of myself as one.

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  209. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 8:31 pm

    I see now that Yahoo and everyone else has changed their photo. I kept commenting on yahoo to haters that it was obvious that he had vitiligo and now the photo changes? How silly to think they would let the world see the obvious. Anyway it’s a good thing I saved it.
    http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=10897

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  210. lynande51 permalink
    February 22, 2013 8:24 pm

    The picture of Prince that was shown on Yahoo news was one of the best. If yuo look closely at his hand it is obvious that Prince does indeed have vitiligo like Michael. Here is a copy of it.
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AkZ8HipCNdHzj.evusi0X1GbvZx4?p=photos+prince+jackson+e+entertainement&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900

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  211. Susannerb permalink*
    February 22, 2013 6:50 pm

    What I like especially in this part about Prince’s reporter job is the end where he tells that he plans to go to the USC film school (at the University of Southern California) after he finished highschool. I congratulate him for this wonderful plan:
    http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/02/22/day-4-of-prince-jacksons-et-interviews/

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  212. Linda permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:57 am

    @Vindicatemj (Helena)

    Linda, I wanted to say to you long ago that you have every right to be proud of your country – and of your country to be proud of you. I really loved meeting you here and finding so many things in common between us.

    Thank you Helena. Your comment made me feel really good tonight after a rough day at work. I feel like you and I would be great friends if we ever got together, no matter what our cultures are, and we do have a lot in common, besides Michael. I feel more in touch with you than I do with most people that I am around.

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  213. February 21, 2013 10:46 pm

    “Not only the asteroid, on that day lightening struck the Sistine chapel 3 times” – kaarin

    The asteroid nearly missed, the meteor fell but only injured (with broken glass, more than 1000 people watching the sight), and now we hear that a lightening struck St. Peter’s Cathedral on the day the Pope resigned.

    One has to be blind and deaf not to see that the universe is urging us to stop in our depravity and look up to the Creator for healing and guidance.

    “In a possible sign from above, lightning has struck the Vatican just hours after Pope Benedict XVI announced his surprising resignation. Footage shot shows the top of St Peter’s Basilica being struck by lightning during a thunderstorm over the Vatican. The resignation has caused a stir around the world, and now it seems that nature itself has something to say about it. Pope Benedict XVI is the first Pope to resign in over 700 years. He has said the reason for the resignation is that he no longer had the mental or physical strength to do the job. Now the world is left waiting and wondering who his successor will be. Video Courtesy Of Reuters”

    Filippo Monteforte, a photographer with Agence France Press, told England’s Daily Mirror that “I took the picture from St. Peter’s Square while sheltered by the columns. It was icy cold and raining sheets. When the storm started, I thought that lightning might strike the rod, so I decided it was worth seeing whether – if it DID strike – I could get the shot at exactly the right moment.”

    Monteforte waited for more than two hours and was rewarded for his patience with not one but two bolts, the Mirror reported.

    What’s a bit spooky, Ferrell says, is “that it doesn’t appear from a Google Image Search that a similar image has ever been captured before….”

    Lightning has a long, symbolic history in the Italian capital, even predating the Catholic Church: “In Rome, from before 300 B.C. to as late as the fourth century, A.D., the College of Augurs, composed of distinguished Roman citizens, was charged with the responsibility of determining the wishes of Jupiter relative to state affairs,” writes engineer and lightning expert Martin A. Uman in his book Lightning Discharge.

    “This was accomplished,” Uman writes, “by making observations of three classes of objects in the sky: birds, meteors, and lightning. In the case of the latter, the observation was always made while looking south, and the location of the lightning relative to the direction of observation was taken as a sign of Jupiter’s approval — or disapproval.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/02/12/lightning-bolt-strikes-vatican-pope-benedict-resignation/1913095/

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  214. February 21, 2013 9:49 pm

    Not only the asteroid, on that day lightening struck the Sistine chapel 3 times,

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  215. February 21, 2013 9:22 pm

    I It is great that Prince has come out into the public. He seems to know what he wants from the future. He has oftyen stated that he wants to direct movies, His interest base is large but congrous.Bestbluck to him!

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  216. February 21, 2013 8:48 pm

    Here is interesting and somewhat unexpected news of Michael’s son Prince becoming an ‘Entertainment Tonight’ reporter. Good luck, Prince!

    Prince Michael Jackson Named ‘Entertainment Tonight’ Correspondent
    3:57 PM PST 2/18/2013 by Michael O’Connell

    The 16-year-old son of the late pop singer makes his reporting debut on the syndicated show, first covering the junket for “Oz the Great and Powerful.”

    In a bit of unexpected TV staffing news, Entertainment Tonight announced Monday that it has made Prince Michael Jackson an on-air correspondent.

    Just 16 years old, the eldest child of the late pop star started his new life as a member of the Fourth Estate over the weekend at a Pasadena junket for Disney’s Oz the Great and Powerful.

    “I’m looking to become well-rounded as a producer, director, screenwriter and actor,” Jackson tells ET’s Brooke Anderson in the first footage from his gig, airing during Monday’s program.

    Jackson’s duties at the Oz junket included interviewing director Sam Raimi and actors James Franco and Zach Braff. He asked the trio for advice on how to get started in the entertainment business.

    His status as a minor means that Jackson’s appearances on ET will likely be few and far between, but the show’s announcement promised his Oz reporting will be featured throughout the week.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/prince-michael-jackson-named-entertainment-422204

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  217. February 21, 2013 3:25 pm

    “I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American. We aren’t perfect, I don’t think any of us are. We all have positives and negatives, and I’ve always been intrigued with other cultures and love meeting people around the world. Love you all.”

    Linda, I wanted to say to you long ago that you have every right to be proud of your country – and of your country to be proud of you. I really loved meeting you here and finding so many things in common between us.

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  218. February 21, 2013 12:07 pm

    “Here is Lisa Campbell’s recent interview with her local TV station. Check it out! http://www.azcentral.com/video/2176679234001– sanemjfan

    It is a delight to see Lisa Campbell in person, but I think that all this talk about a shrine to Michael is doing her a big disservice. She is presented like a mere fan and not a serious researcher she really is. Her biggest asset is that she records every little thing reported in the press, including pieces the media does not want us to hear any more, so her books are a good historic document registering all events without fail. There are no emotions and few comments of her own, which is so untypical for a fan.

    And they present her as if she was merely in love with MJ, so it looks like her three books are some love stories of an obsessed fan. I am sure that she and her interviewers discussed the books too, but they chose to overlook the main point and focus on her being a fan. No wonder one of the TV hosts doubted in the end whether she would be able to sell any.

    I don’t know whether TV does it on purpose or because they want a more “interesting” story to present (speaking about the book is boring), but the end result is that their presentation of her books does not give any idea of what they are like. And they are an absolutely fantastic chronicle of the events.

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  219. sanemjfan permalink
    February 21, 2013 8:19 am

    Here is Lisa Campbell’s recent interview with her local TV station. Check it out! http://www.azcentral.com/video/2176679234001

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  220. nannorris permalink
    February 16, 2013 9:09 pm

    I have to say, that footage is just incredible.And truly scary.We all inhabit the same planet , any one of us could have suffered a catastrophe that no one would have thought possible…..in the big scheme, we arent nations , we are one population., .
    MJ said, you cant control the oceans , or the sky. or , it seems,even space…no wonder he was so humbled by nature…He was right, he saw the bigger picture , while people sat around ,being petty.
    There is so much ego involved in countries, because countries are run by people.. Michael , imo, thought that was a waste of time, while action should have been taken..
    No wonder he would feel so desperate to make people understand the bigger picture.
    The big asteroid came closer to the Earth then the satellites that orbit up there do..
    And if that was going to hit, there would be nothing anyone on this planet could do , but hold hands and pray..That is kinda what MJ wanted people to do , out of love, not fear…He really saw the bigger picture, then most people will ever..He didnt think you should have to fear the end of the world , to see what you already have…

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  221. February 16, 2013 3:32 pm

    “The long cloud looks interesting in the clear blue sky. Here at my place we wouldn’t even have seen it because we have a cloudy sky all the time.”

    Susanne, it is due to the higher temperatures in Germany. In Chelyabinsk it is much colder and cold weather is almost always accompanied by the sun. It was like minus 13 Centigrade.

    By the way the divers didn’t find any pieces of the meteorite in the lake. I wonder what made this round hole then.

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  222. February 16, 2013 2:03 pm

    “How close were you to the meteor?”

    Lynda, it was very far away. There are 600 miles between Moscow and Chelyabinsk. I am enclosing the European part of Russia to the west of the Ural mountains (Siberia is in Asia to the east of them). Chelyabinsk is at the foot of those mountains.

    “The light was so intense that it completely illuminated the courtyard of our apartment block,” said Sergei Zakharov, head of the Russian Geographical Society in Chelyabinsk. “The sound, the shock wave came around six minutes later. No one could understand what had happened. I’d compare it to the explosion of a large flare bomb.”

    “That kind of light doesn’t happen in life, only at the end of the world,” Vlada Palagina, a Chelyabinsk schoolteacher, told the LifeNews website.

    It is only every 2,000 years or so that an object the size of a football field descends to earth and causes significant damage, according to NASA. Giant asteroids that crash to earth—such as the one that most likely extinguished the dinosaurs—tend to occur on the scale of millions of years.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324162304578305163574597722.html

    “You can only imagine the devastation if this would have hit in a more populated area.”

    That 50 tons meteor could have devastated half of Chelyabinsk, but how much bigger the devastation could have been if the asteroid weighing 130,000 tons had fallen on earth or exploded too? What’s interesting is that in both space adventures we escaped by a very narrow margin. Looks like we were spared but received a sort of a warning.

    “We all have to realize just how suddenly something like this could take our life away, and be ready to meet our maker at any second, or a heart attack, or like Michael just trying to get some sleep and trusting a sloppy doctor. Life is SO fragile and many of us take it for granted. Something like this really made me think about that.”

    Exactly! I also thought about it. This seems to be the main conclusion to draw from it. We often waste away our life on petty things putting off until tomorrow something important and don’t realize that tomorrow may never come. Life may end any minute for reasons beyond our control. So everything really important and crucial should be done NOW with all pettiness brushed aside.

    Like Michael sang: “Gonna live each day and hour like for me there’s no tomorrow” (Speed Demon).

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  223. Susannerb permalink*
    February 16, 2013 1:40 pm

    Amazing! Thank God nobody was killed.
    The long cloud looks interesting in the clear blue sky. Here at my place we wouldn’t even have seen it because we have a cloudy sky all the time. From the sound I would have thought something exploded.

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  224. Linda permalink
    February 16, 2013 9:12 am

    @Helena

    How close were you to the meteor? I watched the video and that was so scary. It was like watching a movie on my sci-fi channel, but this was real life. You can only imagine the devastation if this would have hit in a more populated area. We all have to realize just how suddenly something like this could take our life away, and be ready to meet our maker at any second, or a heart attack, or like Michael just trying to get some sleep and trusting a sloppy doctor. Life is SO fragile and many of us take it for granted. Something like this really made me think about that.

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  225. February 15, 2013 11:09 pm

    Guys, here is a video about the meteor that fell today in the Urals, closer to Siberia. I was amazed mostly by the sound of it.

    The person who is recording it says that he doesn’t understand it – first there was a huge flash and then nothing was left of it except the trail in the sky. There was no beginning and no end. Then the sonic boom came which shattered the glass in many windows. People say they felt some heat and a dazzling light which made it impossible to look at the sight.

    The flash was the result of an explosion the sound of which reached the ground a minute and a half later. The meteor was calculated to be approx. 3 meters in diameter and weighed 50 tons.

    The asteroid flying by our planet also today is said to be 50 meters in diameter and is estimated to weigh 130,000 tons.

    The meteor fell into a lake, sparing many lives and leaving a small round hole:

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  226. February 15, 2013 4:05 pm

    “I hope I don’t offend anyone, but I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American.”

    You offended nobody, at least not me. It’s your right to be proud of your country. I never meant that the US wasn’t a great country, just that the US did some terrible things like every other countries

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  227. Linda permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:47 am

    Hey friends, I didn’t mean to get this big conversation going about how great America is, or how bad other countries are. I hope I don’t offend anyone, but I’m going to say that I’m proud to be an American. We aren’t perfect, I don’t think any of us are. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of great things in many countries around the world. We all have positives and negatives, and I’ve always been intrigued with other cultures and love meeting people around the world. Love you all.

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  228. Linda permalink
    February 15, 2013 9:25 am

    @Helena

    God is everywhere, and many people all around the world have a fraction of Him in their souls

    I really like what you said there. The Bible says, “to every man there’s given a measure of faith.” That’s the mustard seed. That measure of faith, to me anyway, I think is enough to cause man to search for God. If you seek, you’ll find. The problem is so many people don’t seek for the truth, so they get led astray to false gods and lies. So many voices in the world distracting from the truth. If you don’t diligently search for it, you’re not going to find it, so many people are led astray.

    We have the same thing with Michael. So many people are too lazy to search for the truth about him, so they believe whatever they hear from the very biased media. The media is their only source of information. The media is who tells us what’s going on in the world. You can’t trust the media!!!

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  229. February 15, 2013 2:06 am

    Look at 6

    That kind of reporting is not different than what was done with MJ and unfortunately it helps anti americanism feeling to develop.

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  230. February 15, 2013 2:03 am

    I was talking about that

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/11/03/hannity-200-million-a-day-3000-people-he-needs/172875

    Why did they even speak about that when it’s so obvious false

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  231. February 15, 2013 12:58 am

    “Some of the US journalists lied on lots offre other things than Jacksons.” – Shelly

    This does not make things better for them. The more they lie the more dissappointed their readers will be.
    As regards Obama’s trip to India I don’t know as I really don’t watch TV now except for some music channels.

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  232. shellywebstere permalink
    February 15, 2013 12:25 am

    @vindicate,

    Some of the US journalists lied on lots offre other things than Jacksons.

    Of course, foreign journalists are biased too, but I never read that level of crap here. Remember the story by Fox news about Obama’s 2 billions dollars trip in India? It was a 10 days trip. It’s not different than what Orth did to MJ.

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  233. February 14, 2013 11:57 pm

    “But he never saw borders. I remember Rita Cosby asking him what he thought about the twin towers attack happening in NYC and he just said without skipping a beat. “Id hate it anywhere.”

    Nannorris, previously I thought that this global thinking was impossible, or was a matter of a very far-off future. But “after Michael” I think it is possible and is almost there. Not very much there yet, but the start is impressive.

    How Michael is doing it I don’t know, but he did it and in a bang too, just on the moment he died. A huge number of people suddenly felt united by him – first by their awakened interest in him, then by their fascination with him. Then by the fight we have to wage to defend his good name. Now by all of it taken together and by the realization of how much is still to be done and what huge forces are opposing us and not giving in (yet).

    And all of it is happening on its own, which surprises most.

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  234. February 14, 2013 11:33 pm

    “One of the problem that you have is in France we have some american channels here like CNN, Fox news, so we now how your media speak about France and Fox news it’s pure propaganda and sometimes very insulting.” – Shelly

    As regards the media I will also tell you what I think. Previously I had no criterion by which to determine whether the US (and UK) media is biased or not. I thought that it was not or that it was limited only to some screaming and stupid tabloids. But when this research of Michael Jackson started my hair began to slowly stand on end. At first not very much as I thought that we have to do with individual lies and they are not that widespread, but with every new year I was getting sadder and sadder, and angrier too.

    Well, now I hope that the media is this biased only in respect of Jackson and in every other respect it is telling the truth, but now I am not really that much convinced of it.

    As regards Jackson I have noticed now that all major newspapers are creating sort of archives about him and the way they make their archives manifests perfectly well how they see Michael and how they want him to be remembered.

    Only today I’ve made a post about the CNN Court TV. I’ve never watched it and don’t know how bad or good it is. But the things they decided to archive (and preserve for the future) about Jackson are simply outrageous. It is a collection of some ridiculous lies which I haven’t even heard up till now. A scrap of what someone said here, said there and all of it is mostly in the nasty tone.

    “Lubricants” used by the “sweaty naked star” while he was “entertaining” his younger friend! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that. And this is supposed to be CNN??? So how am I supposed to interpret the news they report round the world? Now that I know how they report on Jackson?

    This is what I call a criterion. The way they report Michael Jackson is becoming (at least for me) the criterion of the truth or lies they are reporting in general. On the positive note I should say that I like how the LA Times is writing about Michael. They also have their bias (as all of them do), but up till now I’ve not been able to find any absurdities there like these “lubcricants”. Lubricants are the style of Victor Gutierrez!

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  235. shellywebstere permalink
    February 14, 2013 11:30 pm

    @vindicate,

    I understand your point. I just said because we were speaking about anti americanism.

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  236. February 14, 2013 11:14 pm

    “Well, nobody is denying that the CIA helped dictators in South America not even the CIA. The fact that you helped Nazi after the 2nd world war appeared during that trial.”- Shelly

    Shelly, I never shy away from any topics in the comments but these things I would like to avoid. And not because they are true or wrong, but because they lie outside the reality of Michael Jackson (and we cannot help any of them either).

    To tell you the truth these are the realities I never really look into because when I do look I get abhorred and never know what to make of them. The bigger the power the worse the games it plays. On the other hand all these forces now are probably multinational as they group together by interests of their own – banking, media, etc. I am afraid none of us know how to deal with all of it anyway, so it is just better to stay away.

    I live more by Jesus’s principle “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” God is everywhere, and many people all around the world have a fraction of Him in their souls, and with them I feel much more at one than with some of my compatriots. However I live where I live and have to give to Caeser what is his.

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  237. shellywebstere permalink
    February 14, 2013 11:02 pm

    By the way, I am not saying that the US isn’t a great country, but your government is partly responsible for the bad image of your country.

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  238. February 14, 2013 10:37 pm

    “the statistics show that you are just an average country amongst hundred of others.” – Shelly

    And what shall I say about our statistics then???

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  239. February 14, 2013 10:35 pm

    “I am not antiamerica but i also do not get why america is claimed to be the greatest or most powerful country in the world. One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people. I think the CIA is really a questionable entity.”

    Gel, we are not discussing here who is better and who is worse, as it is my deep conviction that evil is within each person and not within nations or states. And as regards the CIA I think it is as questionable as our KGB.

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  240. February 14, 2013 10:29 pm

    “By the way, I’d like to know what were the thoughts of the Us soldiers from World War 2 when and if they read a story like that” – Shelly

    Interesting thoughts you are discussing here. I haven’t read any of them yet as I was busy with a post, but now that it is more or less ready will go over the comments.

    I hope there are no nuclear bombs dropped here yet.

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  241. February 14, 2013 9:23 pm

    By the way, I’d like to know what were the thoughts of the Us soldiers from World War 2 when and if they read a story like that

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html?pagewanted=all

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  242. February 14, 2013 8:57 pm

    “One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people.”

    It’s my point and you look very stupid when you claim you are the greatest country in the world and the statistics show that you are just an average country amongst hundred of others.

    Now to be honest the US isn’t the only country which claims to be the best, France is guilty of that too.

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  243. gel permalink
    February 14, 2013 8:45 pm

    I am not antiamerica but i also do not get why america is claimed to be the greatest or most powerful country in the world. One being the greatest means all the rest are inferior including its people.

    A news item recently led me to a group called AE911truth. They are not conspiracy theorists but rather a group of professionals- architects, engrs., physicists, etc who are demanding for a reinvestigation of 911 event. I think they are raising very valid questions about the collapsed of WTC 7. I for one always thought only 2 bldgs collapsed that day.

    I think the CIA is really a questionable entity.

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  244. February 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    I think you might be interesting by that video

    By the way, I don’t believe France is the greatest country in the world either.

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  245. February 14, 2013 5:15 pm

    I also think that you shouldn’t confuse criticism and anti americanism, it’s too different thing.

    I don’t believe there are lots of people who hates America and the majority of people who don’t like America they have nothing against Americans.

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  246. February 14, 2013 4:56 pm

    “Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?”

    I don’t know the thruth about what is said about your country but I know how your country present itself to the rest of the world. You should watch the first minute of the Newsroom.

    Here, in France, you’ll find lots of people who are really tired of hearing ” We are the best in the world”, when all the best that you have we have it too and sometimes it’s better like the healthcare system here.

    One of the problem that you have is in France we have some american channels here like CNN, Fox news, so we now how your media speak about France and Fox news it’s pure propaganda and sometimes very insulting.

    Also, scandal like the Janet jackson incident during the Superbowl or the public outrage after the release of the Black or white video didn’t help, one fo the biggest cliche here is American are very puritans.

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  247. February 14, 2013 4:24 pm

    ” But how do you know that what you heard about America is the truth either? Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?”

    Well, nobody is denying that the CIA helped dictators in South America not even the CIA. The fact that you helped Nazi after the 2nd world war appeared during that trial.

    US intelligence and Bolivia

    After the war ended, he was recruited by the Western Allies and worked for the British until 1947.[citation needed] After that, in 1947, Barbie was recruited as an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC).[6] The U.S. used Barbie and other Nazi Party members to further anti-communist efforts in Europe. Specifically, they were interested in British interrogation techniques, which Barbie had experienced firsthand, and the identities of SS officers that the British were using for their own ends. Later, the CIC housed him in a hotel in Memmingen and he reported on French intelligence activities in the French zone of occupied Germany because they felt the French were infiltrated with Communists.[7]

    The French discovered that Barbie was in U.S. hands and having sentenced him to death in absentia for war crimes, made a plea to John J. McCloy, U.S. High Commissioner for Germany, to hand him over for execution, but McCloy refused.[7] Instead, the CIC helped him flee to Juan Peron’s Argentina with the help of a “ratline” organized by U.S. intelligence services[8] and the Croatian Roman Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganović. The CIC asserted that Barbie knew too much about the network of German spies CIC had planted in various European Communist organizations, but their protection of Barbie may have been as much to avoid the embarrassment of having recruited him.[6]

    Barbie emigrated to Bolivia, where he lived under the alias Klaus Altmann. In 1965 Barbie was recruited by the West German foreign intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) under the codename “Adler” (Eagle) and the registration number V-43118. He had excellent relations with high-ranking Bolivian officials and was known for his nationalist and anti-communist stance.[9] His initial monthly salary of 500 Deutsche Mark was transferred in May 1966 to an account of the Chartered Bank of London in San Francisco. During his stint with the BND, Barbie made at least 35 reports to the BND headquarters in Pullach.[10]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie#US_intelligence_and_Bolivia

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  248. nannorris permalink
    February 14, 2013 10:10 am

    I remember after MJ died and I was on youtube ..I saw an Iraqi or Pakistani marketplace ( cant quite remember , now)and the had three huge picture up .Princess Diana , Osama Bin Laden and Michael Jackson all being honored, together.
    Well Americans are not too popular over there obviously, but MJ was.
    The news I get all has an American spin on it , of course and MJ got nothing but grief in the American media.
    I think some people would be stunned to find out how loved and honored he is , all over the world.
    But he never saw borders.
    I remember Rita Cosby asking him what he thought about the twin towers attack happening in NYC and he just said without skipping a beat. “Id hate it anywhere.”.
    I think some people resented that he looked at the world globally , that a tiny village in Africa deserved as much respect as more powerful nations.
    He was just too influential for some people .He was rocking the boat..

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  249. Linda permalink
    February 14, 2013 8:56 am

    @shellywebstere

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that your country is awful, but it’s probably not the best country in the world either.

    This is the only country I’ve ever been in so I don’t know what the best country is to live in, and I haven’t really talked to people around the world as to their living conditions. All I know is I’ve always been proud to be an American.

    I guess my point was people all over the world probably don’t know what’s going on with anybody else. There governments keep them in the dark, and I’m sure our government doesn’t always tell us the truth either. But how do you know that what you heard about America is the truth either? Do any of us know the truth, and out of curiosity, where are you in the world?

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  250. February 14, 2013 1:10 am

    “I understand what you are saying and I know a lot of people around the world have no idea what America stands for because of what they are told.”

    No offense, Linda but what you said is true and false at the same time. Your country did great thing (during the 2nd world war) and terrible things too (like helping dictators ins south america or helping nazis after the 2nd world war.

    “I think a lot of us in America wonder how much of the truth we are getting from our own government also.”

    Yes, it’s my point. There are stuff that you don’t know because you are living in the US.

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that your country is awful, but it’s probably not the best country in the world either.

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  251. Linda permalink
    February 13, 2013 9:36 am

    @ Helena

    From my own experience I know that when you are staying behind the “iron curtain” they can tell you anything, and you will believe it as there is nothing else to hear.

    I understand what you are saying and I know a lot of people around the world have no idea what America stands for because of what they are told. It’s why they are told these things that I don’t understand. The leaders of these countries are telling the people how horrible we are, and that’s what I don’t understand. Why do the leaders of these countries want to be our enemy and convince their people that we are so bad?

    I think a lot of us in America wonder how much of the truth we are getting from our own government also. I remember many years ago Russia was our enemy, or at least that’s what I believed growing up, now I meet you, and you sound so much like me. I feel like if I came to Russia you would welcome me in your home, as I would you here. I feel so honored getting to know you, a Russian who thinks so much like me.

    People all over the world have so many of the same feelings, love, compassion and fears. The internet is great for meeting people and getting to know their cultures and understanding each other. It’s so sad that many people in the world don’t have the freedom of the internet to interact with the rest of us and find out who we are. The iron curtain is still up in many places. I would love to talk to people in Iran, Syria and north Korea and hear what they are thinking and feeling. I’m grateful that every day I work with people from China, Viet Nam and Laos, blacks and mexicans, and I’m always amazed that they are just like me. People are the same everywhere and I will never ever ever understand why anybody wants to go to war with another country.

    If there is any reason for war, 2 countries should just sent out 2 warriors to fist fight. Wars over and nobody dies. Wouldn’t that be sweet? Too simple, I guess. Just my kind of logic, lol.

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  252. February 8, 2013 2:02 pm

    “I’m always in shock that so much of the world hates America. I’m an American and I love my country and I can’t figure out why these people hate us.”

    Linda, in case of North Korea it is the result of an ideology impressed on the people. And their total isolation from the world. From my own experience I know that when you are staying behind the “iron curtain” they can tell you anything, and you will believe it as there is nothing else to hear. The same thing day in, day out – like they did it with Michael brainwashing the public with everyday lies – and as a result people start believing the most incredible things.

    And what they are saying in North Korea about you (and any of us) only God knows – people there are so isolated that most don’t know that Michael Jackson died and who he was at all. I am sure that if the information wall were pulled down people would eventually understand what’s what, because North Koreans are essentially the same nation as South Koreans – and look how different apart they have been taken by different ideology.

    But by ideology I understand not what the authorities say about “who your enemy is” – fortunately these days this is rarely done, if done at all (at least in my country). No, by ideology I mean the system of values people have. And over here things are not as happy as one would like them to be.

    I’ll tell you frankly how I feel about the values which started prevailing in my place once the information barrier fell. It is the “money comes first” or “money decides it all” principle. Our people rushed to make money at all costs, with no consideration for the way money is made and without looking back at what their conscience tells them. What’s typical is that those very people who yesterday propagated old ideology (with no pangs of conscience either) were the first to acquire the new rules. No surprises here – these people always do what is best for their careers and well-being only. There is no place for conscience in their set of values.

    Of course all this has little to do with the US as it is the immaturity of our own society which made us acquire your principles in so crooked a way. But it seems that you are not without fault either. Even in this blog everyone tells me that the worst Michael’s haters did it for the sake of money only – the media, lawyers like Larry Feldman, the accusers themselves, all those former Michael’s employees who turned into his detractors, etc., and all this makes me realize even better that money can also be an ideology of its own, and a very bad one at that.

    I am no hypocrite and having money is a very good thing, but it is making money at any cost is what I detest.

    “That video was sick, but why in the world would they use MJ’S music, so contrary to his message?”

    They are probably trying to turn Michael’s fans the world over against the country where he was born. This is indeed a very sick but a rather sophisticated and stealthy approach which I regard as very dangerous. It has nothing to do with Michael as it goes against anything Michael ever said or did. Someone is simply trying to use Michael’s good name for their own agenda.

    “Michael just loved everybody.”

    Exactly, and that is why all of the rest of us (I mean non-Americans) should not allow to turn Michael into a tool of propaganda against his own people. There are very many Americans who love Michael and not only for his music but for his innocence and great personality he was – with his love for people, infinite humaneness and generous sharing of everything he had with others. And these honest people are fighting for the truth in the same way all others do.

    “How deep is this conspiracy against him? It seems demonic.”

    I think it isn’t a conspiracy per se, but it is indeed demonic. We are fighting anti-God forces which are all around us. Just like Michael did, we should pray to God every minute of our lives – Father, please help us in our fight for the truth. There are too many of them, and the facets of evil are too numerous for us human beings to cope with them.

    I really mean it.

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  253. February 8, 2013 12:05 pm

    “The westborough baptist church did the same, they called it God hates the World.” – shellywebstere

    OMG, God loves the world, it is his creation! He hates only lies and everything it generates (if He can hate at all).

    Lies are the embodiment of evil. But evil is not in this or that place only – it is everywhere, as it is inside each of us. All people lie – first to themselves and then to others.

    And there is only one remedy against this evil and it is the Truth.

    “Seek the truth and it will set you free”. [Jesus]

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  254. Linda permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:45 am

    Vindicatemj (Helena)

    I’m always in shock that so much of the world hates America. I’m an American and I love my country and I can’t figure out why these people hate us. That video was sick, but why in the world would they use MJ’S music, so contrary to his message? All I could think of when I watched it was a song of his on my computer. At the end of the song he yelled out, “I love you Korea”. At least that’s what it sounded like to me, so I figured it was a concert in Korea. Michael just loved everybody.

    There were no enemies in his mind, just people and especially children, all who needed love. How anybody could set his music to something like that is so sick. I’ve been mulling this over and over trying to figure why they would use him of all people. How deep is this conspiracy against him? It seems demonic.

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  255. Rodrigo permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:28 am

    This is how people should REALLY remember him. I had no idea about this. A mother murdered her baby son and attempted to murder the other by throwing them in a river in LA.

    Michael went to the funeral and handed over a cheque for $50.000 for the young boy who survived. Lisa convinced him to go to the funeral as he thought all the attention would have gone on him.

    Cheque’s for pay offs? My ass. He was too kind for his own good.

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  256. shellywebstere permalink
    February 8, 2013 3:08 am

    @vindicate,

    The westborough baptist church did the same, they called it God hates the World.

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  257. February 7, 2013 10:14 am

    OMG, I’ve just heard the horrendous news that someone in North Korea released a video of an imaginary missile attack on the USA and used Michael Jackson’s song “We are the world” as a soundtrack for it!

    The idea of the video is outrageous in and of itself, but using Michael’s song to accompany it is also a grave insult to Michael – he adhered to exactly the opposite views than these crazy people. Michael was talking about healing the planet and not going to war!

    Everyone seems to use Michael Jackson for their own purposes.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4779745/north-korea-releases-video-of-missile-attack-on-america.html

    Someone should send this video to North Korea:

    P.S.
    My second thought was – this alleged N.Korean video is self-explanatory without any translation but can we also believe the Sun? What if it is a provocation of some sort?

    P.P.S. However the Washington Times reports the same and says that the video was posted on North Korean state media website Uriminzokkiri.com:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/5/new-north-korean-video-depicts-burning-ruins-virtu/

    And I’ve just read in a different source that North Korea is so isolated from the rest of the world that they don’t know that Michael Jackson died.

    Though the N.Korean video is indeed awful, I hope that it is nothing but a mere virtual saber-rattling, awful as it is.

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  258. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 6:28 am

    Yes and there is that

    http://santamariatimes.com/news/local/article_d1fa7884-367a-5e1a-b13d-e3ac331e09b6.html

    I don’t know if what he said about Sneddon is true but he was right about that attorney Alan W Courtney.

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  259. January 28, 2013 6:03 am

    Thanks Shelly, he seems coherent enough there, maybe I should get the book.

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  260. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 5:15 am

    “I just couldn’t tell if the author perhaps did indeed suffer from some kind of mental illness?”

    I don’t know but you might consider this video. Rex Philipps is Rexino Mondo

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  261. January 28, 2013 5:05 am

    I was thinking about buying that book when I saw it a few weeks back Shelly.

    I just couldn’t tell if the author perhaps did indeed suffer from some kind of mental illness?

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  262. shellywebstere permalink
    January 28, 2013 4:42 am

    That link is not really about the MJ case but I think it’s interesting.

    http://theimmigrantsdaughter.com/mad-dog-sneddon.html

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  263. Rodrigo permalink
    January 16, 2013 4:56 am

    It’s horrendous, Helena. But it has to be done. I’m still writing the post, I may have to split into two parts because of how big it is now. It seems every time I think I’m finished something else comes out.

    I’ve just added a part on a session Savile had with a psychologist. It definitely explains his craze for freedom and power, thinking he could do what he wanted since he was a child. Also explains how warped his sexual preferences were. It seems the death of his mother caused an interest in corpses for him, since he was accused of necrophilia.

    Also explaining he had no real interest in charity or helping people. Just shows he did those things to build his profile, and explains he liked the feeling of power that charity and fundraising gave him.

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  264. January 16, 2013 1:50 am

    This just gets worse – http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370439/Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring I actually have to write about that? Control over children, and even the dead.

    No, Rodrigo, please don’t or otherwise you can go mad.
    You are right about the feeling of power Savile enjoyed. I think that he was simply dressing up in all that ‘satan’ regalia to terrorize his victims and exercise control over them.

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  265. sanemjfan permalink
    January 15, 2013 8:25 am

    Here is a new interview from Lisa Campbell, author of “The Complete Story of the King of Pop”!! http://selfie1982.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/the-woman-that-wrote-the-true-story/

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  266. Rodrigo permalink
    January 13, 2013 6:32 am

    This just gets worse
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370439/Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring

    I actually have to write about that? At least it adds up with my theory of his lust for power and control. Control over children, and even the dead.

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  267. sanemjfan permalink
    January 11, 2013 7:10 am

    Beginning today through January 14th, the eBook “M Poetica” is available for FREE from Amazon! http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5782%3Am-poetica-second-edition-free&catid=85%3Alatest-news&Itemid=82

    It’s only available for Kindle, and if you don’t own a Kindle, you can download the free Kindle App for PC http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_pc_mkt_lnd?docId=1000426311 or Mac http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_mac_ln_ar?docId=1000464931 .

    The author of the book is Dr. Willa Stillwater, who also writes for the excellent blog “Dancing With The Elephant”. Here is one of her amazing articles about MJ’s influence and legacy: http://dancingwiththeelephant.wordpress.com/rereading-michael-jackson/

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  268. Rodrigo permalink
    January 11, 2013 4:33 am

    Have to add this to my Savile post. Such an evil soul…

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jimmy-savile-abused-dying-hospice-patients-214827888.html

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  269. January 9, 2013 5:28 pm

    @ Helena, and please keep your rudeness to yourself while running a MJ vindicating website, you look very bad right now. And going around accusing me and telling lies that you know are lies. And insulting with names like ‘lazy’, etc. You need to learn how to respect others, and treat others as you want to be treated. I can’t believe this sight is the way it is. And you’re telling me I don’t know how to use my spare time, then I guess you who created this site and everyone here doesn’t.

    I apologize for saying “My goodness you people are weird.” I said that because you and ‘lynande51’ were going around saying I’m this other person ‘Desiree’. You commenting me saying I’m spreading lies on you like ‘Mia’ when I did absolutely nothing to you. You’re the one spreading lies on me, saying I said MJ called Prince ‘Duckbutter’, when my comment clearly says MJ called Prince ‘Applehead, but yet you keep repeating ‘Duckbutter’ for whatever reason, etc. I had my right to say “My goodness you people are weird”, because you and ‘lynande51’ were going around telling lies on me. But I do apologize, hope you and ‘lynande51’ will do the same, because you really need to.

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  270. January 9, 2013 2:51 pm

    “My goodness you people are weird.”

    How old are you dear? Are you a kid who doesn’t know how to kill spare time? What’s the good of all this never-ending rambling over who created which account? Who cares? Please don’t spam the blog with all this nonsense.

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  271. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 2:04 pm

    “lynande51” you wrote:

    (Yes Helena I just went to Lacieingasmiles and I read through the entire 56 comments and it would seem that there were no comments under the Glenda Tapes 2-5 from June of 2011 until Jan 3 2013. The first new one was from someone that had the screen name of Veronique. That was the one that pretended to ask a question about Bob Jones and the word splaboos. Then shortly after that Angie started asking questions as well about the same thing.
    When Desiree was originally blocked from posting here she used the name Veronique. Is this a coincidence? I don’t think so. I still have to screen shots from when she used to harass us and if you can still go back to the beginning of the comments it doesn’t take long to find her and the mulitple names she used to post here.Then it was obviously her in 2011 that was haraassing rockforeveron about Grace calling Grace a mammy and quoting Bob Jones. That is where it look like rockforeveron says that MJ called Jack Gordon the word splaboos. When Rockforeveron replied she forgot to put that comment in quotes. It originally came from Desiree.
    Gald I could clear that one up for everyone).

    This is your second time jjudging me. First you said I’m pretending not to see the comments, etc. when Helena or this site clearly said this:

    in response to Vindicatemj (Helena):

    Our comments section is quickly turning into a forum where a lot of valuable things eventually get lost due to the impossibility to find them. I’ve decided to overturn this tendency and start posting the most interesting comments as separate pieces. These will be mere improvisations as you understand as there is no time to […]

    Now you’re saying I’m a person name ‘Desiree’. Boy, you sure can judge can’t you. If I were you I would ask a person one on one before I be so quick to judge. It makes you look really bad. Yes, my name was ‘Veronique’ on Lacieingasmiles, that’s my middle name. I went by my middle name on the Lacieingasmiles site because I was skeptical about using my first name. I didn’t want no one to know my real name just as you go by ‘lynande51′, etc. But I went ahead and used my first name Angie for this site because I was just in a hurry to create a acct. with this site to get my questions answered. This seemed like a good site with the name “Vindicating Michael Jackson”, but it seems the people here are not as good as I thought. Notice the comment on Lacieingasmiles with my middle name Veronque has a very similar date to the comments on this site and with the same exact question, because I’m new on both sites, this one and on Lacieingasmiles. I first created an acct. with Lacieingasmiles with my middle name Veronique. Then I created an acct. with this site with my first name Angie. I didn’t know both this site and have a connection with each other. So when a person from Lacieingasmiles is commenting here and I reply back, I’m Angie on the Lacieingasmiles site too. I have nothing to hide. And this is my very first time on this site and Lacieingasmiles. So please stop judging me. And yes it is a coincidence that ”Desiree’ was blocked and I came along afterwards. This is my first time here and on Lacieingasmiles. That’s why the dates of my comments on both sites are close because it is my first time on both sites. I applied for Lacieingasmiles first and this site next. So, again do not judge me because you’re wrong. It really makes you look bad. And you didn’t clear anything out for everyone because your wrong.

    All I came here was to ask questions and on Lacieingasmiles, and I get judged, you people are crazy. The only reason I got ‘Rockforeveron’ mixed up with ‘lacienegasmiles’ because they have the exact same profile picture. Go see for yourself on Lacieingasmiles. Even Helena got ‘Rockforeveron’ and ‘lacienegasmiles’ mixed up because they have the same profile picture and Helena is the owner of this site. So, again please get your fact right before you judge and come to conclusion.

    And what I find strange is that why ‘lacienegasmiles’ never mentioned that she ‘Rockforeveron’ was the one who made the comment about MJ calling Jack Gordon a “Splaboo”? I know she can read and see clearly what’s on the Lacieingasmiles site. My goodness you people are weird.

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  272. January 9, 2013 1:23 pm

    “The orginal comment has no quotations, it’s her words. Go look at the site yourself, you’ll see it.” – Angie

    Indeed, there were no quotations, and that is why I also made a mistake by quoting it as a single text. But when you answer someone such things are unavoidable. I try to separate someone else’s words and my text by italics or quotation marks, but when people are pressed for time they often fail to do it.

    BUT WHAT DOES OT MATTER? It is such a trifle that it is even indecent to talk about it for so long.

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  273. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 1:12 pm

    @ Helena, your comment to me:

    (This site seems to have been hacked or meddled with in some way. At least I cannot enter it in the usual way but have to apply some roundabout ways. My suspicion is that you and the other activist Mia writing crazy stories about me are here not by a mere chance. As usual in all such cases it means that I have struck on something sensitive to these people).

    Why are you saying I and Mia, whom I don’t even know are writing crazy things about you, I’m not. I never said anything crazy about you. All I said is this site is unorganized, which you agreed to yourself by saying “This site seems to have been hacked or meddled with in some way. At least I cannot enter it in the usual way but have to apply some roundabout ways”. I never said anything about you, I just was talking about the site in which I know is not your fought but some type of technical error. So please stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not here to argue or cause problems, so stop coming to conclusion and judging without a cause.

    .

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  274. Angie permalink
    January 9, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ lynande51

    No, I put her words in quotations. Her original words are not in quotations. I copied and pasted what she said and put them in quotations as her words. The orginal comment has no quotations, it’s her words. Go look at the site yourself, you’ll see it.

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  275. Linda permalink
    January 8, 2013 9:16 am

    @Vindicatemj
    And also a little bit of Gomer Pyle in the army – it was hilarious though I didn’t understand a word of what he said.

    You’re right about Hillbillies and rednecks being all over, although they’re usually considered southern people in the USA. Hence Gomer, Griffith, Foxworthy Larry the cable guy etc.. always use that southern accent. Rednecks are considered to be very backward people from the south, but yes, I’m sure the basic personality could be found all over the world.

    Again I’m impressed, with all that’s going on here that you took the time to research even further what I was talking about. I don’t mean to distract from our purpose here, but sometimes a little distraction helps, and rednecks are hilarious.

    They remind me of the main character of the Blast from the Past movie, called Adam (Brendan Frazer) –

    I remember this movie from a long time ago. It was pretty cool. I’ll have to look it up and watch it again.

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  276. lynande51 permalink
    January 8, 2013 8:32 am

    Yes I know. Now not only are we in trouble if we have typos in our spelling but we are in trouble for punctuation or lack of it. I thought this was a blog and it didn’t matter if everything was perfect but I guess it does to some people.😉

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  277. January 8, 2013 4:12 am

    Lynande, we always have the option of banning these people. Now it is too late here, but tomorrow I will check up. If these people do not sober up, some measures will have to be taken.

    As regards that phrase about Jack Gordon it was probably me who reposted it without quotes (terribly sorry for it), and therefore mixed up the reply form rockforeveron and another person into one text. How petty all this talk is! I cannot believe that we have to waste so much time on these trifles.

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