THE KEY PLAYERS behind ‘Leaving Neverland’ Operation
Three days before the official trailer for “Leaving Neverland” was first released to the public on February 19, 2019, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times wrote her review of the film setting a sort of a standard for other mainstream media to follow.
Maureen Dowd should not be confused with Maureen Orth of the Vanity Fair who dedicated her life to smearing Michael Jackson. Maureen Dowd is the Pulitzer Prize-winning op-ed columnist who is “arguably the most powerful journalist in America thanks to her must-read column in The New York Times”.
To show how powerful she really is it’s suffice to mention that just one column of hers written in February 2007 ruined the chances of Hillary Clinton for presidency and projected the career of Barack Obama as a Democratic nominee who would later win the elections.
Let me repeat – it was Dowd’s just one column that changed the US political climate forever.
And on February 16, 2019 she reviewed the Leaving Neverland film, just several days before some of its footage was to be shown to the public for the first time.
A month prior to that the film premiered at the Sundance festival and those present had already sent shock waves throughout the world, however its TV premiere was to take place only on March 3 and 4, so Maureen Dowd’s opinion of the film was kind of setting the scene.
One would imagine that a journalist whose word people hang on as if it were the gospel, would be wary of making rash conclusions and warn others that unless proven by facts the assertions of two individuals are worthless.
However this was not the case. In the very headline of her column Maureen Dowd denounced Michael Jackson as the King of “perversion”, presented the film as fact and instead of asking appropriate questions about its legitimacy redirected everyone’s attention to “how could we be so blind?”
Her review abounded in words like “lair”, “monster”, “rapist”, “apparent criminality”, “shredded lives of victims”, “tragedy” and the like.
The King of Pop — and Perversion
By Maureen Dowd
Opinion Columnist
February 16, 2019
When Dan Reed ordered up a score for his documentary, he asked the composer to evoke the image of a shimmering sprite leading two boys deeper and deeper into an enchanted forest. The boys don’t notice that the trees grow menacing. And suddenly, the sprite turns into a monster.
As “Leaving Neverland” shows, Michael Jackson spent his life shape-shifting from best pal, father figure and beneficent idol into cruel, manipulative rapist.
It was apparent for decades that Jackson’s cotton-candy lair was sulfurous. But as with other monsters — Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, R. Kelly, Woody Allen, Jeffrey Epstein and Bryan Singer — many turned a blind eye.
Celebrity supersedes criminality. How can you see clearly when you’re looking into the sun? How can an icon be a con?
It was easier to ignore a landscape designed as a spider web for child sexual abuse than to give up the soundtrack of our lives, the catchy songs that coursed through memories of weddings, bar mitzvahs and other good times.
“With Michael Jackson, you can see how grotesquely his fame, and our worship of fame, distorts and excuses and enables evil — to the point mothers fail to protect their children and literally throw them in harm’s way,” says Maureen Orth, who did groundbreaking stories in the ’90s for Vanity Fair about both Jackson and Allen.
Indeed, the most harrowing part of the new documentary about the shredded lives of two of Jackson’s victims is the complicity of their mothers. Jackson spent as much time grooming the mothers as the sons, to the point where the women saw nothing wrong in letting their children share a bed with a grown man. (The documentary, which left the audience stunned at Sundance last month, premieres on HBO next month.)
Reed is a Brit who made several documentaries about terrorism. He says he became practiced at leading victims gently back to their traumas, so they could use their minds as cameras to bring key moments to life, letting their faces and voices tell the stories.
And that is how the tragedies of James Safechuck and Wade Robson unfold, through the pain in their eyes and the confusion in their voices and the moments where they tear up or swallow hard.
Safechuck, who works as a computer programmer, was raised in Simi Valley. He met Jackson when he was a 9-year-old child actor in 1987, starring with the singer in a Pepsi commercial. Jackson promised to make the boy the next Spielberg.
Robson, a dance teacher who did choreography for Britney Spears and ’N Sync, grew up on the other side of the world in Brisbane. He spent all his time dressing and dancing like Jackson. He won a dance contest in 1987 and got to meet Jackson, who was on tour in Australia, and dance onstage. Then, he was ensnared in the warped fantasy, a 7-year-old being initiated into sex at Neverland by the 31-year-old Jackson.
The mothers, Stephanie Safechuck and Joy Robson, knew that Jackson was ensorcelling their sons, even as he lured the mothers out of the frame with luxurious enticements. But they were stage mothers and fans, so they chose to believe Michael was a kind, lonely little boy at heart, not a heartless pedophile, and they did not dig deeper when their sons said nothing bad was going on.
“He flies you first class, you have a limo waiting for you at the airport, amazing, you know, it’s a life of the rich and famous,” Mrs. Safechuck gushes in the film, adding: “I got to meet Sean Connery. That was big for me. It was like, ‘Oh my God, Sean Connery!’” She also loved Neverland: “He had a beautiful wine cellar, really good wines, champagne, that was just something I enjoyed — it was a fairy tale every night.” After all, as she says, he was a genius and they were “just nobodies.” Jackson bought them a house after James testified on the singer’s behalf in a trial involving another boy.
It somehow made sense to James’s mother when she was told that she couldn’t be near the hotel rooms her son and Michael shared in Europe because the nicer suites she would prefer were farther away.
As Wade Robson puts it, “What you’d think would be standard kind of instincts and judgment seemed to go out the window.”
His mother left Australia and his father and moved to L.A. with Wade and her daughter to be closer to Michael; the father later committed suicide. After Wade finally told a therapist and his wife and family what had happened, he was alienated from his mother for a time. Like James, Wade — who lied in court twice to protect the man he loved — had symptoms of trauma that intensified with the birth of his son. James’s hands shake as he shows a diamond ring that Jackson gave him for a private mock wedding. Wade had a nervous breakdown and stopped dancing for a time.
“I had one job” and messed it up, Mrs. Safechuck says. “My son had to suffer for me to have this life.”
Even with this shocking documentary, the Michael Jackson estate is still demonizing the victims and planning to bring a musical about Jackson’s life to Broadway in 2020.
Reed says he is “agnostic” about it: “Am I going to campaign to have Michael’s name removed from classrooms and his statues removed from shopping malls? No. Is this the right time to celebrate Michael as a legitimate good person you might want to emulate? Possibly not.”
And that is what’s known as British understatement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/opinion/sunday/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland.html
That kind of opinion coming from the NY Times, the pillar of American journalism, and from its well-respected columnist, must have sounded like the final verdict for the majority of readers – and many would probably not even go beyond the headline. A few rare voices of protest were heard but were drowned in the almost universal wailing and shaming that ensued.
These rare voices of reason included David Walsh from a socialist site which criticizes liberals from the left. He called Maureen Dowd’s review “disgusting” and expressed his amazement at the universal acceptance of the unsubstantiated claims by the American media. For him Michael Jackson is a tragic victim of the American entertainment industry that went over him like a bone-crashing machine (correct).
Here are some excerpts from David Walsh:
“A striking feature of the present situation is the almost universal acceptance of the Robson-Safechuck claims by the American media. The word of two individuals, who have been seeking monetary compensation from the Jackson estate for years, is taken as gospel. Why is there so little skepticism, why are so few questions being asked? This is not a reflection of “popular opinion,” as it were.
Everything about Leaving Neverland produces a bad odor. … the film’s “first-hand account” provides no substantiation whatsoever of that claim; those who made Leaving Neverland and those promoting it are morally deplorable and shameless. They are seeking to profit from the film and exploit the events to advance their careers and make money.
They calculate that with money comes wisdom, and their word should be law. The accuser “must be believed” is now the watchword, and presumption of innocence and due process be damned. The allegations of Robson and Safechuck cannot be doubted or even scrutinized, because that would throw the entire #MeToo witch-hunt into question.
Billionaire Oprah Winfrey, who utters another banality every time she opens her mouth, is the spiritual-financial leader of this movement and the New York Times is its intellectual “backbone.”
The Times’ Maureen Dowd, one of the moral pillars of our time, penned a disgusting column denouncing Michael Jackson on February 16, “The King of Pop—and Perversion.”
Dowd writes, “As Leaving Neverland shows, Michael Jackson spent his life shape-shifting from best pal, father figure and beneficent idol into cruel, manipulative rapist.” The film, in reality, does not show anything. It passes on the unsubstantiated, unproven assertions of two individuals. To present Jackson as a “monster” is dishonest and reprehensible.
Jackson was swept up by the American entertainment industry’s bone-crushing machinery. … There isn’t a trace of sympathy or elemental humanity in the media coverage. The creation of “monsters,” sexual predators and the like, has become essential to the operations and agenda of the Democratic Party in particular.
Michael Jackson has been dead for nearly a decade. Now he is being excoriated, trampled upon once more—for what? The whole business has degenerated into a squalid pursuit of money and career advancement. We condemn it.”
Full text: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/06/mich-m06.html
Even a bigger number of sensible voices came from the more conservative spectrum including Piers Morgan, John Ziegler, Razorfist and others. Radio host Mark Davis, for example, looked into the root of the problem and asked for the proof of those claims, saying that without it the film was “no journalism but activist filmmaking” with an agenda to smear Jackson.
The shocking Michael Jackson documentary deserves to be seen, but can it be believed?
By Mark Davis
6:09 PM on Mar 7, 2019 GMT-6
The makers of the new Michael Jackson documentary may not have envisioned the reaction it sparked in me: I am more open to his family’s denials than ever.
…my problem is with the heavy-handed one-sidedness of the entire spectacle. This is not journalism, nor does it pretend to be. It is activist filmmaking with an agenda — the desire to paint Jackson as a serial child molester.
This is not illegal, or even unethical. Michael Moore had no obligation to film contrary views in his Bush-bashing Fahrenheit 9/11. But no one should rely on Moore for an even-handed assessment of the subject matter.
Leaving Neverland brims with the shocking stories of Wade Robson and James Safechuck, both of whom recanted their charges in the 1990s. Robson even testified on Jackson’s behalf in 2005. This does not mean they are lying today, but nor does it guarantee that their newfound desire to share should be treated as gospel.
The film buries viewers in stories of bizarre scenes and actions, but even those do not mean the victimization described took place.
The accusers are not under oath. They have gone public for money after their lawsuits against the Jackson estate failed. But my biggest obstacle to believing them involves Jackson himself.
There is nothing in the behavioral catalog of pedophilia that includes building an amusement park in the yard. Real child molesters tend to be guarded, insular and so pathologically concealed in their sick aims that they usually look like guys you could see in line at a hardware store. I find it easier to believe that Jackson’s eccentricities were not the product of a man who lusted for children, but a stunted man clinging to his own lost childhood. But again, I have no proof either way.
And ultimately, consider the numbers. The total of mega-rich, famous people who have provably festooned themselves with the trappings of childhood in order to lure kids into sex: zero. Meanwhile, the number of liars spurred by profit motive to fabricate stories about famous people: too many to count.
This is not an argument that the documentary is a pack of lies; it is a suggestion that it is a wholly unworthy basis for a firm conclusion of Jackson’s guilt.
Mark Davis is a radio host and frequent contributor to The Dallas Morning News. The Mark Davis Show airs from 7 to 10 a.m. weekdays on KSKY-AM (660).
So while the establishment media universally condemned Michael Jackson on the basis of stories alone, the rare voices from the outside asked for facts to substantiate the claims, without which the film is no documentary but is just activist film-making with an agenda to paint Michael Jackson as a monster.
The exceptions only prove the rule as they highlight the existence of a rule, and this is how the few voices that contested the official narrative made it apparent that the establishment media is actually heavily biased against Jackson and has exactly the same agenda as the two accusers.
This has been clear to us for a long time already and the only thing that required clarification was the reason why. This post will try to look into that.
THE PERSON WHO DETHRONES KINGS
Maureen Dowd’s right-wing critics are perfectly aware of her one-sided reporting and remind her that journalists are expected “to balance their sympathies and opinions with their obligation to present events in the most accurate way possible” – the reproach that fully applies to Dowd’s headlong accusation of Michael Jackson of things she and no one have absolutely no proof of.
Dowd’s critics point to an interesting episode in her career that sheds the light on the way she ruined Hillary Clinton’s chances and on who was the real driving force behind her column and the political earthquake that followed.
It turns out that the person who dumped Hillary Clinton’s nomination was the same person who, according to Michael Jackson himself sank his career too.
Yes, the name of that person is David Geffen.
From the political point of view Hillary Clinton as Geffen’s victim and his choice of Barack Obama as a new favorite are not that important to us. What is important is the way Geffen handled Hillary’s crash, the gigantic power he enjoys in American media and at the top tiers of American politics, his ability to turn public opinion overnight by his choice alone and his connection with Maureen Dowd who in both cases was a means to achieve his goals.
All these factors are extremely relevant to Michael Jackson’s case too, because if Geffen could overturn the career of politician No.1 just by making a few remarks to a journalist, he could easily do the same to the No.1 star in the entertainment industry too.
Actually, the fact that it was Geffen who busted Hillary Clinton is well known to the American public, but few know the details, so here they are coming from the book “Race of a Lifetime: How Obama Won the White House” by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin.
The old Jack Warner house sat on Angelo Drive at the top of Beverly Hills. Built in the thirties, it now belongs to the billionaire entertainment mogul David Geffen.
On the night of February 20, 2007, Obama was there for a private dinner in his honor. Earlier that evening, Geffen and his partners in DreamWorks SKG, Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg, had hosted a $1.3 million fund-raiser for him at the Beverly Hilton, attended by some three hundred members of the glitterati. From the time the event was nnounced, it had drawn notice, signifying that at least a portion of Hollywood, including some longtime backers of the Clintons, was attracted to Obama.
After the fund-raiser, a more intimate group of thirty-five retired to Geffen’s mansion, spreading themselves out across three tables. Among them were Michelle Obama Spielberg and Katzenberg, former Dinsey and Fox studio head Joe Roth, William Morris Agency chairman Him Wiatt, Walk the Line writer and director James Mangold, Sleepless in Seatlle producer Lynda Obst, and New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd.
As the dinner wound down, Geffen approached Obama, holding a printout of a Web page with a column by Dowd that would be appearing in the next day’s Times. The piece was all about Geffen’s disenchantment with the Clintons. It contained harsh words, and lots of them, that would reverberate through the political world for months. Handing it to Obama, Geffen said, “I think I should show you this.”
Geffen and Dowd were a colorful pair of friends – a mischievous dyad, each with a long and complicated relationship with the Clintons. Coquettish and flame-haired, Dowd was liberal but never earnerst or doctrinaire [] She had won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 1999, for a series of columns that folded, spindled, and mutilated Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.
Geffen’s relationship with Clinton began to change toward the end of Bill’s White House years. Before that, the mogul and the president had been tight, the former raising millions for the latter and sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom more than once. Clinton would phone Geffen all the time – at home, in the car, late at night – and would often stay with Geffen when he was in Hollywood.
Now, as Geffen showed the text of the column to Obama, he wondered how the candidate would react. Obama read it, gave Geffen a wide-eyed what-have-you-done look, and laughed. This is going to cause some conversation, Obama said dryly. They’re not going to be happy with this.”
The Dowd column was explosive, all right. It went off like an atomb bomb inside Hillaryland.”
Please note that the book calls David Geffen and Maureen Dowd a colorful pair of friends. What followed as a result of that friendly collaboration was described as “a Hillary blaze”:
Dowd started a Hillary blaze in February of 2007 by revealing that David Geffen, the Hollywood record mogul and key Clinton supporter, was switching allegiances to Obama.
At the time Clinton was considered a virtual shoe-in for the Democratic nomination, but the fissures which emerged after Geffen’s comments in Dowd’s column would never close over and heal.
As Patrick Goldstein wrote subsequently in the Los Angeles Times, “When historians start looking for turning points in the trajectory of the Obama campaign for the presidency, they will inevitably turn to February 21, 2007, the day that The New York Times’ Maureen Dowd ran a column where Geffen blasted then-Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton.
It is worth noting that as usual, Geffen’s involvement in the game is downplayed by all those concerned and he himself plays the role of a modest bystander whose word is insignificant as “no one’s interested in what he has to say”.
In fact, each time I mention David Geffen as the ultimate power behind dumping Michael Jackson’s career and explain it by their difference of opinion over some issues, I am told that a certain dispute between them was too “insignificant” a matter for Geffen to turn his ire and vengeance against Michael.
Well, exactly the same was said about Geffen when he made some remarks for the NY Times column. There was certainly “no danger” to anyone because of Geffen’s “insignificant blip”:
Obama advisers described the Geffen remarks as an insignificant blip and said they saw no political danger in letting them stand.
But the power of that insignificant blip was such that it turned the American primaries upside down and the near-nominee who seemed invincible and even inevitable was replaced almost overnight by a person of Geffen’s choice.
“…back in the winter of 2007, Hillary wasn’t just the front runner–she was considered inevitable. The entire Clinton campaign was based on a sense of her invincibility.
Geffen broke the spell. Having soured on the Clintons after raising huge sums of money for Bill and sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom–twice–Geffen found himself enamored of Obama from the first time he saw him on TV, giving a speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. “I thought he was a remarkable guy,” Geffen told me today. “After I heard him give that speech, I called him up and said, ‘You’re going to run for president and I’m going to support you.’ ” Geffen says Obama laughed and said he was very flattered, but that he wasn’t running.
Cut to two years later. “He called me one day and said with a laugh, ‘ David, I guess you’re right. I am running for president and I’d like your support.’ And of course, I said, ‘You have it.’ “
… how did Dowd get Geffen to finally go public with his complaints about Hillary? Keep reading:
Some time before, Geffen was a speaker at the 92nd Street Y in New York. When someone asked about his take on the Democratic presidential aspirants, the billionaire mogul didn’t mince words. “I said that Hillary was an incredibly polarizing figure and that if she ran, she’d never be elected president,” he recalls.” Maureen was in the audience and afterwards she said to me, ‘We oughta do a column about that.’ “
Geffen says he wasn’t ready. “I said, ‘No, no, no. No one’s interested in what I have to say about the Clintons.’ But she kept after me and finally, when Steven, Jeffrey and I had the fundraiser, Maureen cornered me and said, ‘You have to say what you’re thinking. It could have a real impact on the race.’ So I did.” Geffen sighs. “What can I tell you–I was just speaking the truth.”
His remarks caused a media uproar. The comments were front-page news in Washington, D.C.
https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2008/11/geffen-on-obama.html
Oh, I absolutely love that part about Geffen remonstrations: “’No, no, no. No one’s interested in what I have to say” as well as Maureen Dowd’s “cornering” Geffen at that fundraiser after which the latter allegedly gave in to her with a “sigh”.
Well, we do remember that there was no need to corner Geffen at that fundraiser as by the time it was organized the article in the NY Times had already been printed and was ready to see the light of day the next morning.
What all of the above amounts to is that when kingmaker David Geffen supports someone, his favorite is sure to triumph. And if he withdraws his support and scams to dethrone the one who fell into his disfavor, the latter will be busted and trampled upon.
And the person who masterminded it all will stay behind the scenes and pretend that he has nothing to do with it or that his opinion does not matter.
So does anyone still think that Geffen would refrain from doing something similar to destroy Michael Jackson in order to get even with him for a slight remark about the Bible (for example), or rejecting Geffen’s passes as rumor has it, or both?
CLOSE FRIENDS
The events regarding Hillary Clinton took place in 2007, and the article below is dated 2010 and while it reiterates everything we already know about those past elections it also confirms that several years later the friendship between David Geffen and Muareen Dowd still flourished.
The article was written in connection with Obama’s inauguration ceremony for his second term of office and it refers to Geffen’s Dreamworks as his top fund-raisers, Geffen being “very close” friends with Obama’s administration, and at some point also quotes Geffen saying that Maureen Dowd is a close friend of his.
JUN 25, 2010
Let there be no doubt. David Geffen loves the Obamas. The billionaire entertainment mogul, an active Democrat and one of the industry’s savviest strategists, writes that rumors of his disenchantment with Barack Obama are “made-up nonsense.”
As a sign of Geffen’s alleged disenchantment, political wags also note that the mogul was not prominent at the inauguration and did not meet with Obama when he visited California in March.
But Geffen writes in an e-mail response, “There is not a word of truth in what is being said.” He points out that he was not in the country when Obama last visited Los Angeles, and writes, “I was not interested in being there for the inauguration festivities, nor did I attend them when Clinton was there.” Geffen did attend a Dowd party on inauguration eve, because “she is a close friend and I was the guest of honor.” But he adds, “I left that night.” Concludes Geffen: “I love the Obamas,” adding that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel “is a very close friend.”
Andy Spahn, who serves as political adviser to Geffen and his DreamWorks co-founders, Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg, also calls the speculation “completely off the wall.” He says that during Obama’s presidential campaign, “David, Steve, Jeffrey and I were the President’s top fund-raisers nationally,” and still are.
When four years later, on June 10, 2014 Maureen Dowd and a few selected journalists were invited by the NY Times to a special event honoring the most powerful opinion-makers, David Geffen was certainly present to hail his old friend Maureen Dowd there.
Dowd placed the photo of her, Barbara Walters and David Geffen together on her Twitter account:
Previously we knew of only one Maureen – Maureen Orth of the Vanity Fair whose list of anti-Jackson articles is also somehow connected with Geffen as only recently it was decorated with his photo as if with a medal.
And now we are also aware of the long and nice cooperation between David Geffen and Maureen Dowd of the NY Times whose friendhip has spanned at least 13 years by today – which explains very well why she joined the 2019 hate campaign against Michael Jackson and actually set the tone for all other media on how to perceive the “Leaving Neverland” film of lies about him.
However there is one more person to be included in the tight circle of Michael Jackson haters and this time it is Maureen Dowd who is dropping the name.
ANOTHER NAME
Dowd made her revelation in September 2009:
Sep 10, 2009
…Dowd admits her interview with Geffen changed the presidential race forever, and she is grateful to Geffen for standing by his comments.
Dowd rates Geffen as one of the few wise men left in a bleak economic landscape. Recently she asked him his opinion of the current climate.
“I was on business in Los Angeles and I had lunch with David Geffen and Oprah, and he knows a lot about money. He got out before the crash.” She also asked him why he was the only one of his DreamWorks studio partners — Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg the others — not to get caught up in the Madoff scandal, and Geffen said simply because the two others did not call him.
“So he called them and he said, ‘Why didn’t you give me that tip? I would have told you not to do it, but you didn’t give me that tip.’”
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/the-secret-side-to-maureen-dowd-58485922-237658781
Oh, here is another familiar face and this time it is Oprah Winfrey!
In fact, Geffen seeks collaboration with Oprah every time he needs her support over something of extreme importance to him – for example, the documentary film about himself called “Inventing David Geffen”. The caption to this photo of them together says that the documentary was released in November 2012 and that Oprah joined the exclusive dinner after its premiere as Geffen’s date.
“At a Spago dinner after the premiere of “Inventing David Geffen,” some feelings were hurt when organizers apparently kept some of Geffen’s pals off the list. Geffen himself arrived with date Oprah Winfrey and claimed to have nothing to do with the dinner guest list”.
And now Oprah Winfrey amazes us by the fact that she was in close association with Geffen already in 2009, and their friendship that seemed to have flared up only recently is actually long and standing the test of time.
So on some occasion in 2009 Maureen Dowd was on business in LA, coming all the way from New York, and joined Geffen and Oprah at lunch (lunches in Los Angeles and Hollywood are almost solely the only time and place where business is discussed).
The date of the above article is suspiciously close to the time of Jackson’s death and funeral but this is when the article was written, while the visit could be much earlier, of course. The only reliable marker for it is the Madoff financial scandal that took place in mid-December 2008 and lasted well into 2009 and even longer.
So it was quite probable that during that visit the three of them were discussing money with Geffen who apparently advised the two leading media personalities on how to invest it.
And ten years later we see the same trio again, only this time it was Geffen who was seeking the two journalists’ support.
Maureen Dowd has shown hers by powerfully denigrating Michael Jackson in her powerful column. Her part was to stigmatize him as a monster well in advance and influence the minds of millions even before they saw the film or even its teaser. Her business was to distract public attention from the total lack of evidence from the two guys and support their weak stories – that also recanted their earlier versions – and while people were still in shock at what they were told to also focus their attention on “How could we be so blind about him?” instead of asking “Where is the evidence, guys?”
And Oprah Winfrey’s part was to promote the film further which she eagerly did at her show special after the film TV premiere on March 3 and 4, 2019. Her aftershow was broadcast simultaneously by HBO and Oprah’s channel “OWN” and took place the same night as the conclusion of the film. Oprah hosted director Dan Reed and the two accusers who further elaborated on their lies to a big audience of genuine sexual abuse survivors – apparently, for better effect and more emotional impact.
But that was on March 4 while Oprah got familiar with the film much earlier, right after its premiere. And the circumstances under which she first saw it were quite bizarre, to say the least.
The thing is that a couple of days after the film debuted at the Sundance film festival on January 25, 2019 David Geffen invited Oprah Winfrey to his yacht on a three-day visit there. The official reason for the inivitation was Oprah’s birthday (January 29).
For some reason Geffen happened to have his personal copy of “Leaving Neverland” and sometime after the birthday cake he treated his celebrated media guest as well as her associate Gayle King to the four-hour long entertainment movie.
You will agree that the very idea of showing a film about the alleged sexual abuse survivors at anyone’s birthday party sounds ludicrous enough, and the fact that the guests had to enjoy this kind of entertainment for four hours too makes you wonder even more. So the version that this was really entertainment can be ruled out and this leaves us with the only other option that it was common business instead.
Geffen’s part in that business could be connected with its production (otherwise how could he lay his hands on its copy?) besides the general idea and possible inspiration for it, and Oprah’s part, as I’ve already said, was apparently its further promotion and providing her TV show as a platform for the two guys to continue with their story.
Now that we know that each of the trio implemented their roles perfectly well, it is easy to see through the original plan too. And the fact that all three participants are also close friends only adds to our certainty that their coming together for a character assassination of Michael Jackson is not a mere coincidence but a well thought-out operation.
In fact, now I even begin to think that Oprah’s interview with Michael Jackson in February 1993, just on the eve of the Jordan Chandler scandal, could also be part of someone’s plan.
Thank you, dear Des.
My country is the earth
My religion is truth
I don’t waste my time hating
I am too busy searching for the truth.
Stay safe too.
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Dear Helena ,don’t ever give up you know you been loved from many people and once again I want to thank you for your hard work, it’s okay if people have different opinions as long as you are respectful to each other.
I am a citizen of the world
My country is the earth
My religion is love
I don’t waste my time hating
I am too busy loving.
Michael Jackson. Stay safe.
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The people who would gladly take up the research I am doing do not need my invitation to do so. They can always open their blogs and do it there. This is not the only place for these wonderful people to selflessly display the results of their research.
I’ll be only happy if they do.
P.S. By the way all authors who contributed to this blog can still write for this blog if they want to.
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My answer is this: No, I’m not.
You’re always connecting dots that aren’t there right now. This is what has been said by several other figures commenting here. You’re going off the rails, chasing phantoms where they don’t exist.
Saying “you may not need me but Michael does,” that’s not true either. The fact is, this blog is about YOU, not Michael. YOU want the fame and glory for clearing michael, YOU want to be famous. This is now becoming a moment for youto buld a shrine to your ego.
There are certainly people who would gladly take up the research you’re doing. But they’d chase down the RIGHT leads, the RIGHT locations, and not be chasing a big Illuminati-like conspiracy of pe-le supporting gay progressives out to destroy Godly values. Because it simply isn’t true. There are definitely people willing to put in the work and the time, not fall down the rabbit hole of radicalization like you.
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You didn’t answer my question.
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There are lots of people to provide balance to the hyperbole you are spewing. Michael was simply NOT unique in the scheme of things, in terms of who the media goes after. It’s always “we made you, we can break you.” and “Next Contestant Please!” Michael was just the target at that time. As for WHY they kept doing it, the reason is simple: it sold, and they were going to stick to what sold. But they do this to everyone they target. They’re doing it right now to Depp and Manson.
But even these individuals didn’t suffer the way Matthew Shepard, Emmett Till, James Byrd, Jr., Benny Hermansen, LGBT children and young people, Arabs/Muslims and Asian-Americans/Pacific Islanders have been suffering, being victims of hate crimes or committing suicide. THOSE are the most bullied people in the world. Michael would certainly think so, and express his pain and anguish at their treatment, not keep the focus on what was happening to him. Michael would not just sit back and merely talk about how he was being treated, and openly say “what’s happening to these people is more important.”
And FYI, you treat your friends like absolute garbage because they don’t agree with you one hundred percent, especially regarding the political and social scene in America, how things actually work, and on whether trans people’s identities are valid. Which in fact they are.
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Okay.
I don’t listen to their propaganda and don’t watch their TV. I think on my own.
In terms of the volume, ferocity and longevity of attacks he was unique.
By the way the above idea was one of the major points of luv4hutch. Is that you, dear? Or is there one more person on this planet besides luv4hutch who thinks that Elvis or Marilyn Manson, for example, were attacked by the media in the same measure as Michael Jackson?
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I never said Geffen DIDN’T do Michael in, or that the Gay Mafia didn’t. They certainly did, but they did not do as as the faces of progressivism. Geffen only did it because of spite and jealousy and being like a jealous courtier trying to jockey favor with the king. Pettiness and jealousy is the only reason Geffen needed. But this idea that they were somehow aligned with a shadow group advocating on behalf of progrssivism is absurd. Geffen is NO PROGRESSIVE. His actions are not those of a progressive. He has never done more than token donations here and there, but he has never campaigned for candidates, worked in the middle of the electioneering process, overseen protests and rallies, helped “get out the vote” campaigns, or done petition work. But most of all, a progressive is not hungry for power, they work on behalf of others, not themselves. So Geffen is no progressive.
Hollywood is also not this place that “censors” and “bullies” conservatives. Those are the words of washed-up, irrelevant people who’ve fallen on hard times and aren’t taken seriously anymore, but refuse responsibility for their own actions. Kevin Sorbo, TV’s Hercules, did not have his career die because liberals conspired against him. His career has collapsed because he’s a raging egomaniac who interfered with a promising show “Andromeda” to boost himself and genuflect at his own image. Rob Schneider’s career didn’t die on the vine because “Democrats held him back,” his career virtually died because he’s not funny and he’s an insufferable jerk who can’t take criticism well. The vast majority of filmmakers, producers, studio executives and employees at studios are Republicans, which more than offsets the supposed appearance that actors are a liberal hivemind (even though many, many, MANY actors are Republicans.)
You may be no fan of Putin, but you’re susceptible to his propaganda, all his anti-gay, anti-trans garbage. Because that conforms to your beliefs, you accept it,e ven though it’s coming from the same source you despise. So, you’re still not fully deprogrammed.
I also was not using the video to bring atheism versus belief in God into the debate. I was bringing it in because the figure on the left in the video is showing intolerance and a refusal to actually listen to other points of view, which is what you’re doing.
The plain and simple fact is this. Michael is innocent. Geffen helped engineer it, along with his Gay Mafia associates. But they did so simply because Geffen was throwing a tantrum of “If I can’t have him, no one can, and I’ll take everything he has.” It was just exact revenge and take all his ownings and get even richer. No more, no less. There is nothing else, certainly not political or ideological, behind it.
And Michael is not, as you’ve said in other comments, “the most bullied person in history.” You reall think he was bullied more than people like Emmett Till, Matthe Shepard, James Byrd, Jr., Benny Hermansen (who Michael dedicated Invicincible to), or the many gay, lesbian and trans people who commit suicide because of people refusing to accept their true identities? More than Arab and Muslin people who were labeled as Al-Qaeda supporters after 9/11 just because of their religion and the color of their skin? Or Asian-American/Pacific Islander citizens being literally beaten and attacked in public, to blame them as a group for COVID-19? Michael suffered immensely, no doubt, but he did not suffer anywhere near what these individuals have.
Michael is also not unique in terms of media attacks. People like Elvis, Jim Morrison, Freddie Mercury, Britney Spears, The (Dixie) Chicks, Janet (Michael’s own sister), Johnny Depp, Marilyn Manson, the Clintons, Al Gore, the Obamas, and Joe Biden have all been grist for the scandal mills and crucified by relenteless jackals and vultures determined to tear them down and destroy them. Michael is not the first, and he’s not going to be the last. Michael was not an anomaly or a specific overriding example, he’s just one in a list millions throughout all of human history.
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What a fantastic reading where all sorts of fantasies are piled together with a thick layer of slander as icing on top.
Okay, here it is point by point:
The fact that someone knows the Bible does not make the person a believer in God. One thing doesn’t always follow from the other. Moreover, a person may be a believer in God even without knowing the Bible. As to me I very seldom refer to the Bible and certainly NEVER said to anyone “the discussion is over, the Bible tells me I’m right”.
If you were interested in my views you would know that I am a Christian (was baptized when I was over 30), but besides that I adhere to ancient Zoroastrian ethics which is embodied in its three fundamental maxims – “Clean thoughts, Clean words, Clean deeds”. This ethical system is more than 3000 years old and it sees every person as a battlefield of Good and Evil, and wants the choice between the two to be made voluntarily. It does not allow to press it on anyone – everyone should come to it of his own free will. I did.
Firstly, I don’t “explode” and don’t “denounce” anyone, especially as a “heretic” – this is a huge fantasy on your part (Where did you take it? Please provide the respective quotes, if you ever find them, LOL).
Secondly, Geffen is not the only face of Progressivism, but is an advocate of part of its agenda. Michael was an advocate of different views, so the fact that at some point they or their views clashed cannot be even disputed. Michael himself said that it was David Geffen who sank his career. Or to be more precise: ” “… Jackson reportedly hates Geffen for being a part of what he calls Hollywood’s “Gay Mafia,” which he believes sank his career.”
So yes, it was Geffen who did him in.
I whine and play the victim? I scream that people are silencing me? The quotes please!
The only persons I banned very long time ago were pedophiles and those who called Michael one. The ban came after a couple of warnings that they were breaking the rules. Recently there was one more dispute – with love4hutch, who as far as I remember left on his own. His brother was banned because he used several accounts and presented himself as different people commenting under different names.
You don’t need me, but Michael does. You can do without me (same as I can do without you), but Michael probably needs us both (if you are also a defender of Michael’s innocence). And I am not writing for you – I am writing for the sake of truth and Absolute Justice.
First of all, no one is willing to do that much research which I have been doing for the last 12 years. Secondly, no one denies you (or anyone) the chance to start a blog of your own and defend Michael from your position and your system of values. Diversity, inclusivity and tolerance, you know….
I am not a fan of Mr. Putin.
In fact it is YOU who is kicking dirt in MY eyes. You have SLANDERED me in each of your statements, so it is you who should be ashamed of your behavior.
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The video in question is not to bring atheism to the debate, but to point similarities in behavior that you are exhibiting with the stick figure on the left. Simply put, in the video, the figure on the right, a former Christian, admits to an old friend he doesn’t believe anymore, and the figure on the left can’t accept it, to the point that he starts rewriting history and says “You were never a believer! If you were ever a believer, you’d still believe right now,” The figure on the right says, “But you’ve only ever known me as a believer before today, so you know I know the Bible, know what it says,” and so on. And when trying to gently move the conversation, the figure on the left explodes with, “This discussion is over! Look, the Bible tells me I’m right, and that makes you wrong. And if you weren’t a closed-minded atheist, you’d see that.”
That figure on the left is exhibiting a lot of the behaviors you are showing right now. Because whenever someone points out that your conspiracy theories blaming progressivism as the reason for why Michael was attacked, and David Geffen as the face of progressivism and the Democratic Party, are quite off-base and that politics had nothing to do with why Geffen did what he did, you’re not willing to listen. You just explode and go “You’re not an objective person. If you were objective, you’d agree with everything that I’m saying.”
Simply put, you are turning this website into a cult, where if someone doesn’t agree with you, you explode and denounce them as a heretic against the one true faith, the faith that not only Michael was innocent, but that Democrats and progressives, led by Geffen, did him in. You whine and play the victim and scream that people are moving to silence you, but you’re the one silencing people. You ban then because they aren’t just going to roll over and let you bully them. You’ve obviously convinced yourself that you AREN’T bullying, but the thing is that no one ever thinks they are a bad person. They are always convinced they are on the side of right.
The fact is that you are becoming a very real liability to the cause of supporting Michael. You’re driving away all of those who are not aligned with you ideologically, because you’re smearing and denouncing them as part of the cabal that did Michael in, when nothing could be further from the truth. The fact of the matter is that we don’t need you, Helena. Michael was supported in life without you, and we can do just fine without you. For the good the cause, you must step down as administrator and main author of this website and hand the reins to someone else. They don’t have to be liberal in beliefs, but they must not denounce liberals and progressives as depraved, sex-obsessed pe-le-supporting monsters. They also, preferably, should not live anywhere near or by the shadow of Vladimir Putin, who has done everything he can to destabilize Western democracy and election results and help people like Trump get away with crimes of assorted types. If you truly are a supporter of Michael, you would step aside and name a successor.
Michael would be ashamed of your behavior and say you are not working in good faith. “Don’t tell me you agree with me when I saw you kicking dirt in my eye.”
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To be frank I haven’t watched this video made by an atheist – Michael Jackson wasn’t an atheist and we are discussing MJ here. The number of times Michael spoke about God in his interviews, poems, songs and elsewhere is innumerable, and refusing to accept this fact speaks either to a denial or deliberate misinformation.
Anyone who has a different view on the subject could debate it with Michael when he was alive. Now we will have to accept it as fact.
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Dear Caleb, just for your information – I have not written anything about Paul McCartney, not to mention call him “evil”. You mistake me for someone else.
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You also have unbridled anger towards Paul McCartney, call him evil simply because he’s been tricked into believing the smears. Good people can make mistakes like this and still be good people. Paul himself made such a mistake in his marriage to Heather Mills. Can a person who really says THIS be evil?
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You know what you’re doing right now? You’re basically doing what the stick figure on the left is saying in this video made by an atherist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8KvHy7AXo
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Oh, my God. After a statement like that you needn’t say anything else. If Trump had ever raped anyone he would have already been crucified, burned at stake and his ashes would have been scattered in the wind.
You’ve brought it up. And I have the right to bring up any topic I think relevant, dear.
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Trump raped a girl with Epstein. Trump and Epstein frequently did it together. There are so many stories of him handing out together, especially on Epstein’s island, where much of the violations occurred. A brave woman came out to sue Trump for it, but the MAGA cult scared her off. But given how many women have said Trump groped and raped them, it’s clear there have to be others, especially from Epstein’s flock.
Trump is simply PRETENDING to distance himself; complete with going “who’s that?’ and saying he wishes well of Ghislane Maxwell. When Trump is on record, in a 2002 New York Magazine article as saying “He likes them on the young side. No doubt, my friend Jeffrey loves women.”
(Before you mention Clinton, make this clear: the Secret Service has verifiable said that while he definitely met Epstein as his New York townhouse and at meetings at Mar-a-Lago, he never went to Little St. James, Epstein’s own Palm Beach estate, or his New Mexico ranch. And after the Lewinsky affair, he’s not going to risk lying again, because the press has never forgotten that, he knows he could never get away with another lie like that.)
Geffen VOTED for Trump when Bernie Sanders wasn’t the Democratic nominee. And Geffen has been linked numerous times to Trump in the ’80s and ’90s, especially for deals that were announced but never happened, and Geffen has lots of Epstein connections. He dined at Epstein’s townhouse along with Trump, Louis Rainieri, Ronald Perelman, Nathan Myhrvold, Murray Gell-Mann, Lawrence Knauss and Richard Dawkins.
“Lapdogs”? I don’t know where you get this idea. The press holds Democrats to a stricter standard and lets Republicans off the hook for everything. Such as blaming Biden for the results ending of a war that Bush started.
But even on a more basic level, the press are vultures with everyone, not just Michael. They’re going after Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson over incredibly spurious allegations that are ludicrous and obviously beyond the pale. They attacked Al Franken over NOTHING. They basically moved to destroy the careers of James Franco, Aziz Ansari, Shia LaBeouf, Armie Hammer, Ellen DeGeneres, and so on. Yet, they somehow were supportive of James Gunn when it was his time, because for some reason, THEN they applied context where it was sorely needed.
Look at how Al Gore was attacked as a “phony exaggerator” who supposedly said “I invented the Internet”, even though that’s not what he said. How Obama was attacked for everything under the sun. How Hillary was called “shrill” and a “harpy” who “cackled”. While Trump was basically left alone for talking about how “the Continental Army rammed the ramparts, took over the airports” in 1776!
If you have no interest in learning how American politics works, don’t bother to bring it up, especially since it has nothing to do with how Michael was treated.
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Of course, he isn’t. He got everything he wanted from them and can now enjoy a peaceful life apart from any politics.
The link, please? There is no information about Geffen being Trump’s friend and in 2016 Geffen was officially neutral. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/david-geffen-i-am-not-862922/
Yes, but only until he found out about Epstein going after a teenage daughter of one of his associates.
Quote: President Donald Trump banned wealthy investor Jeffrey Epstein from his exclusive Mar-a-Lago club for hitting on the teenage daughter of another member, according to a new book entitled “The Grifter’s Club.” Epstein’s account there was closed in 2007. Trump didn’t speak with Epstein for years after that.
The “only” extent? Geffen was actually the one who formed some of those beliefs, at least in the domestic policy.
But Geffen is an institution. His friend Barry Diller speaks of Geffen, himself and other billionaires who were represented at Geffen’s birthday party as the “world’s third largest economy”:
“I ask Mr. Diller what he thought of Sacha Baron Cohen’s joke at David Geffen’s recent birthday party at Jimmy Iovine’s house in Los Angeles that Mr. Geffen, Mr. Diller and the other starry billionaires and millionaires there represented “the world’s third-largest economy.”
“It is a funny joke,” he says. “It’s close to true.”
The press is a lap-dog for these people.
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Geffen is no friend to Democrats. He turned on the Clintons and joined in the piling on, of calling them liars, egomaniacs, sexual criminals, and so on, just because Clinton wouldn’t go beyond Don’t Ask Don’t Tell or pardon Leonard Pelletier.
He attacked Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, joining in all the forces calling him a phony exaggerator that said “I invented the Internet” when he said no such thing.
Geffen has long been a friend of Trump, and supported Trump in 2016, solely because Hillary Clinton was running. There’s lots of press showing Geffen and Trump’s connections, back when Trump was merely a flashy, arrogant, self-aggrandizing New York real estate figure coasting on his father’s success. And since Trump was a major friend of Jeffrey Epstein, there’s a good chance Geffen was as well, and that Geffen facilitated some of Trump and Epstein’s sexual escapades.
The only extent that Geffen has been associated or supported Democrats is to loudly give support and donations to charities with causes identified with Democrats’ beliefs, or his initial, bear in mind INITIAL, support for the Clintons and Obama. He only supported Obama not because he liked him, but to spite Hillary Clinton in 2008. But this is not because he supports the cause; he just wants to make himself the center of attention and build up his stature, especially if he wants to be the last man standing in the music and entertainment industries. Hell, while I’m not shedding any tears for Scott Rudin’s exposure and downfall, odds are Geffen helped make the story break, since Geffen took over Rudin’s Broadway commitments.
This is not how an ardent, die-hard Democrat acts, continually moving to undermine his own party just because they wouldn’t support or bolster his massive ego. Even Harvey Weinstein, also no friend to the cause other than wanting to posture and use it as a shield to protect himself, didn’t undermine Democrats in this manner, and would actively donate to campaigns and fundraise for them. Geffen basically never did that.
Likewise, there is no organized, massive, longstanding child sex ring in Hollywood, at least not to the extent that “all of Hollywood is in on it and protects itself.” Individuals are running such acts, like Bryan Singer and the DEN ring, and Geffen undoubtedly being involved in that protecting them. Individuals do this; institutions don’t. Institutions wouldn’t risk this much to have absolutely everyone involved, or protect absolutely everyone. That type of conspiracy would also never survive: someone would’ve spilled the beans, besides the likes of Corey Feldman and Michael Egan telling their stories. The perpetrators would start ratting on each other and naming names to cut deals, the press would be all over it.
Just like how JFK assassination conspiracy theories don’t pan out: someone and something would’ve broken. Nothing like that can stay under wraps for long, let along for nearly 60 years at this point.
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IVanka and her hisband were registered Democrats until around 2018
When her father ran for office , she became a Republican, although , people of wealth have been known, to give to both parties, just in case the other person wins..
For instance the Trumps, have given to campaigns, for the current Vice President, when she ran for senate in CA
That’s just politics , it’s a very selfish business
Geffen definitely leans democrat
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Mary, if Ivanka Trump and her husband were indeed invited by Geffen, it was a rare exception to the rule. His interests lie almost solely within the Democratic party and its agenda.
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https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/people-events/article/2088875/do-obamas-and-trumps-have-same-billionaire-bff
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Wow.. His life was so insane between endless rehearsals, shows, lawsuits, trying to help children, foundations, charity events, awards, family, and on and on…. I found out recently, his own dad tried to sue him for stealing material for one of his albums. (Maybe Billy Jean)
It’s just sad that so many people seem to go for the chum when it comes to MJ. Although he has a lot of amazing supporters also. It’s almost as if he isn’t gone. Still as big as ever, and everyone and their brother trying to make a coin off of his name. Thanks for doing this blog. I do appreciate it.
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GREAT NEWS – A MAJOR WIN BY THE ESTATE!
John Branca and the Estate lawyers have done nearly the impossible – they won in their lawsuit against the IRS! The tax court decided in their favor! This is the best news ever!
The Estate lawyers say they do not agree with some of the judge’s statements but are happy that this is a huge and unambiguous victory for Michael Jackson’s children. IT IS!
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Who says “Trump did nothing wrong”? Who are you quoting here, I wonder?
And before you answer I suggest you first read my comments for this blog post where I speak on the related issues.
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Saying “Trump did nothing wrong” when he clearly did many very wrong things including: 1. planning a violent insurrection; 2. raping women and possibly a child; 3. inciting racists; 4. not adequately protecting US citizens from covid, is such a startling take from the person trying to prove MJ’s innocence. It’s so over the top ridiculous that it even makes me pause for a second concerning your coverage of MJ (who I’ve always thought is innocent). I will continue to support those looking to prove MJ’s innocence but your so out of your skull with this weird take on Trump, it’s mind boggling.
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Thank you, Des. I am happy to hear from you too.
Sorry for having not posted anything for a long time. I would have if Michael Jackson’s case were not purely political. So I’m still thinking whether it is worth opening the can of worms. It seems that very few people are ready for the truth at the moment.
P.S. Those who hope that I’ve changed my views since the last time I wrote here may rest assured that every single fact uncovered since then has made even more convinced of what I thought before. 🙂
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Hello dear Helena wishing you a happy Easter and it was nice to hear from you again
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Note: The decision to dismiss Robson’s lawsuit wasn’t by the appellate court, sorry for the mistake. Quite on the contrary – it was renewed by the court of appeals after Gavin Newsom, the California governor had changed legislation that helped Robson and Safechuck go on with their frivolous cases against Jackson.
Here is a reminder of what preceded the latest events:
So Finaldi wants to appeal. This is costly business, but it looks like the sources he draws money from are inexaustible.
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All in all Robson’s case lasted for 8 years and was dismissed by two judges 6 times.
A quote from TSCM (@MJJRepository) who very helpfully followed the case from beginning to end:
TSCM
@MJJRepository
Just, smile.
While irrelevant outlets try spinning stories they know nothing about, #MJInnocent trends globally.
8 years, 6 attempts, all dismissed. A crushing defeat for Wade, who has never seen a dime from estate.
Finaldi’s debt from taking these cases must be staggering.
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And this is what John Ziegler says about it:
I fully agree with John Ziegler who from the very start of it pointed out the ridiculousness of “Leaving Neverland” – the case is political and its biggest goal was enriching the conmen and financial ruining of the MJ Estate (besides tarnishing Michael Jackson’s name and legacy).
Now the money aspect has been successfully solved, but it remains for the majority of public to still understand that Michael Jackson’s case is POLITICAL.
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Here is Roger Friedman’s take on the issue:
Well, technically speaking Michael has not been absolved or rather, did not even need it, as the case against him was fictitious and the facts behind the LN project undisputedly prove that Michael Jackson was INNOCENT.
All those who explored the factual side of the story know that it was a FRAUD.
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Well, good news at last.
WADE ROBSON CASE UPDATE: THE FINAL ORDER
“After hearing argument from counsel, the Court adopted its tentative ruling as its final ruling & therefore GRANTED the motion for summary judgment in favor of Defendants and AGAINST Plaintiff.”
Click to access 2021-04-26-Robson-Final-Ruling.pdf
In other words Robson’s case against MJJ companies (MJ Estate) has been dismissed by the
appellatecourt (sorry for the mistake).There will be no trial and what is much more important – Robson and Safechuck whose case was dismissed earlier will NOT get any money from the Estate. This is the most important outcome of this case as those who masterminded this project first and foremost wanted the Estate to go bankrupt. In fact, they always wanted to ruin Michael -during his lifetime and after his demise.
Now their effort has failed. There will be other tries, but for today it is a big victory over Michael Jackson’s foes! It serves Robson and Safechuck right – they shouldn’t have agreed to be the puppets in someone else’s evil game. Actually they belong in jail for their extortion attempts.
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Hi, Elena, I found more documents, I sent them in parts. Please take a look at e-mail.
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Hi, Elena. I have emailed you another document that I have. Please read the letter. And there is also news about the site.
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https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/john-branca-artists-need-to-pay-attention-to-their-legacy-and-be-very-specific-about-it/
Just in case this hasn’t been shared, it’s a good interview with John Branca
He also mentions how MJ fired him a long time ago, and how it was very difficult for him..
As well as the HBO lawsuit and how they want open arbitration
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Hi, Elena. I have emailed you the documents that I have. Please read the letter.
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Lilia, my impression is that it is a whole lot, so it may probably be better to make a library of them on a separate page here. I will check up my archives and see what I have – Thank you, Helena, I’ll be waiting for it.
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Lilia, my impression is that it is a whole lot, so it may probably be better to make a library of them on a separate page here. I will check up my archives and see what I have.
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Helena, I have some saved documents on the Arvizo case that I can share with you. I can send them to you by email. Can you also share with me the documents you have?
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Hello, Helena. I go online via Opera. To open this link (http://out.easycounter.com/external/sbcourts.org), you need to connect the VPN in the browser settings. When I first came in, I also have a website did not open after connecting to the VPN, it worked. Please try again.
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Lilia, thank you for alerting us to this situation. I think that all those reading this blog are interested in the original documents for the 2005 court trial and are disturbed by not having access to them any more.
However the above link did not work for me. I’ve found another one but it seems that now the documents will be available for money only (?). How convenient. https://www.courttrax.com/now-available-santa-barbara-county-ca-superior-court-records/
If anyone finds a cost-free way to retrieve those papers please share this information with us.
Lilia, in case you are interested in some specific documents I can look up those that were stored on my computer.
Or maybe I will post them here on a separate page.
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Yellow-Jackets aka Illumination-Round aka Dylan Moore aka luv4htuch,
you proved yourself to be a TROLL with a strange obsession with me and this blog.
You solemnly declared that you won’t come here again, but still keep writing under different names in order to present yourself as a crowd of people and bring chaos to the blog.
Fortunately the wordpress platform shows to me as the blog admin that the above four names have one and the same ID. Even if you share the same computer with your brother, it is still too much.
I’m not disclosing the full of it but here is its shortened variant:
luv4hutch
73.139.208.19…
Dylan Moore
73.139.208.19…
Illumination-Round
73.139.208.19…
Yellow-Jackets
73.139.208.19…
It is simply incredible to what lows some left-wing “progressives” will go to in order to disrupt the research when it takes a turn that is not to their liking.
And since you are not honest with me and my readers, I am afraid that the sources you refer us to are as dishonest as you are.
You proved yourself to be a liar, so from now on you will be banned.
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https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-post/right-wing-media-helped-usher-age-cancel-culture-now-pretend-its-invention-left
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Hello. The site where the court documents on the Michael Jackson case are stored is not available. Here is the link: http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/
The domain expired.
Please inform the Santa Barbara Court to restore it. The court probably moved. New address with phone contacts: http://out.easycounter.com/external/sbcourts.org
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I’ll be happy to. Note that I’m saying this right now, before you respond to the other things I posted after “Illumination-Round.” But as of right now, 8:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, I’m gone.
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Good.
However you promised it long time ago.
Time to honor your word.
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That’s right, but you did not disclose that your fellow-workers from the other forum – Daily Kos which is focusing on Liberal politics, said the same about Michael and in their comments to you called him all those names which I don’t even want to repeat here. From your view point these people should be much more fair than the “media that lied about the Clintons”, however they are not.
The moral of the story is this:
1) the anti-Jackson campaign was not invented by this or that media, but was simply upheld by them for profit and other reasons like political alliance or personal friendship with the initiators of the campaign.
2)The campaign against Michael Jackson originated with a group of certain people in Hollywood who consistently spread innuendos about Jackson by various ways and means, hence the Hollywood “buzzing” about Michael Jackson even at an early stage.
3) Their first open attack was made via their agent Victor Gutierrez, a NAMBLA attendee who openly wrote in his book that he had received a list of certain names in Hollywood and started collecting information against Jackson as his name was on the list. By his own admission he went only after Jackson. His task was to make rounds of the families with children who knew Michael personally and tell them that he was a ped-le. The visits were made under the pretext that Gutierrez was writing a book about Michael and this is why he was “interviewing” his friends.
4) Gutierrez was certainly paid for this work (by someone in Hollywood?) and the money was big enough to keep him going for several years before the first allegations were made against MJ in 1993. When his initial efforts to vilify Jackson failed Gutierrez complained that he didn’t have money and had to sell satellite antennas for a living – until he struck fortune with the Chandlers at last.
5) And when the Chandler family did make their allegations, the same Hollywood people who initiated it all pulled the respective media strings to make the story viral, as well as used their connections with law enforcement to immediately start an investigation against him.
P.S. None of that was done in respect of those monsters who abused Corey Feldman and Corey Haim in Hollywood, though Feldman gave all the names to the police when they questioned him about MJ.
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Other notable figures on the list who have thriving careers who identify as conservative:
Game show hosts
Orson Bean #
Merv Griffin #
Ben Stein
Musicians and singers
Aerosmith (Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, specifically)
Azaelia Banks
Pat Boone
James Brown #
Anita Bryant
Kate Bush
Eric Carmen
50 Cent
Eric Clapton
Kelly Clarkson
Alice Cooper
Billy Corgan (lead singer of The Smashing Pumpkins)
Bing Crosby #
Jonathan Davis (lead singer of Korn)
Sammy Davis Jr. #
Rick Derringer
Five for Fighting
Grand Funk Railroad
Michale Graves
Jesse Hughes (lead singer of Eagles of Death Metal)
Vanilla Ice
Mick Jagger
Lord Jamar
Wyclef Jean
Jedi Mind Tricks
Robia LaMorte
Blackie Lawless
Aaron Lewis
Kerry Livgren (former lead guitarist and songwriter for the band Kansas)
Meat Loaf
John Lydon
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Dean Martin #
Morrissey
Dave Mustaine (lead singer co-guitars of Megadeth)
Ted Nugent
Donny Osmond
Elvis Presley #
Prince #
Johnny Ramone #
Little Richard #
Kid Rock
Rush
Gene Simmons
Jessica Simpson
Frank Sinatra #
Donna Summer #
Trapt
Cowboy Troy
Jimmie Vaughan
Kanye West
Andy Williams #
Daddy Yankee
Country music
Trace Adkins
Gene Autry #
Charlie Daniels #
Lee Greenwood
Toby Keith
Lorreta Lynn
Bonnie Paul
Eddie Rabbitt #
John Rich (of Big & Rich)
Travis Tritt
Hank Williams, Jr.
Lee Ann Womack
Darryl Worley
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P.S. Disney gives more than half of its political donations to Republicans, notably anti-abortion candidates. So does Sony, Paramount, Warners and Universal. All the majors stump for conservatives.
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A post my brother made you ignored:
Actors
A
Willie Aames
Tim Allen
Kirstie Alley
Leigh-Allyn Baker
Fred Astaire #
Christopher Atkins
B
Scott Baio
Adam Baldwin (not a Baldwin brother)
Stephen Baldwin
Brigitte Bardot
Roseanne Barr
Lionel Barrymore #
Owen Benjamin
Corbin Bernsen
Danny Bonaduce
Sonny Bono #
Powers Boothe #
Ernest Borgnine #
Samantha Boscarino
Wilford Brimley #
Morgan Brittany
Zachery Ty Bryan
Candace Cameron Bure
Gary Busey
Pat Buttram #
C
James Caan
James Cagney #
Dean Cain
Michael Caine
Kirk Cameron
Maria Canals-Barrera
Pat Carroll
Drew Cary
Adam Carolla
Dixie Carter #
Emma Caulfield
Jim Caviezel
Lacey Chabert
Margaret Colin
Joan Collins
Chuck Connors #
Steven Crowder
Jim Cummings
Ken Curtis #
D
Tony Danza
Stacey Dash
Robert Davi
Julienne Davis
Bruce Davison
Doris Day #
Bo Derek
Taylor Dooley
Shannen Doherty
James Downey
Robert Downey, Jr.
Robert Duvall
E
Clint Eastwood
Buddy Ebsen #
R. Lee Ermey #
Joe Estevez
Kevin Farley
F
Lou Ferrigno
Glenn Ford #
Steven Ford
Dennis Franz
G
Clark Gable #
Vincent Gallo
Andy Garcia
John Gavin #
Mel Gibson
Lilian Gish #
Jenn Gotzon
Gary Graham
Kelsey Grammer
Coleen Gray #
Angie Harmon
H
Shane Harper
Melissa Joan Hart
Patricia Heaton
Charlton Heston #
Earl Holliman
Dennis Hopper #
Clint Howard
Barry Humphries
Tab Hunter #
J
Richard Lee Jackson
Victoria Jackson
Angus T. Jones
Henry Jones #
Vinnie Jones
K
Sean Kanan
Patrick Kilpatrick
L
Cheryl Ladd
Lorenzo Lamas
Sonny Landham #
Jennifer Lawrence
Christopher Lee #
Rose Leslie
Jerry Lewis #
Rich Little
Lindsay Lohan
June Lockhart
Rob Lowe
Susan Lucci
Dolph Lundgren
M
Jock Mahoney #
Bruce Marchiano
Jackie Mason
David McCallum
Bruce McGill
Gerald McRaney
Adolphe Menjou #
Vera Miles
Ray Milland #
Dennis Miller
Mary Tyler Moore #
Roger Moore #
Michael Moriarty
N
Craig T. Nelson
Michael J. Nelson
Chuck Norris
O
John O’Hurley
Jennifer O’Neill
Gary Oldman
Susan Olsen
P
Janis Paige
Fess Parker #
Vincent Pastore
Mark Pellegrino
Josep C. Phillips
Walter Pidgeon #
Q
Dennis Quaid
Randy Quaid
R
John Ratzenberger
Ronald Reagan #
James Remar
Donna Reed #
Joan Rivers #
Ginger Rogers #
Cesar Romero #
Mickey Rooney #
Mickey Rourke
Jane Russell #
Kurt Russell
S
Antonio Sabáto Jr.
Adam Sandler
John Schneider
Rob Schneider
Ricky Schroder
Arnold Schwarzenegger
George C. Scott #
Nick Searcy
Steven Seagal
Tom Selleck
Charlie Sheen
Ron Silver #
Gary Sinise
Suzanne Somers
Kevin Sorbo
Spike Spencer
Sylvester Stallone
Barbara Stanwyck #
Ben Stein
Brad Stine
James Stewart #
Caroline Sunshine
Kristy Swanson
T
Marshall Teague
Shirley Temple #
Fred Dalton Thompson #
V
Vince Vaughn
Jon Voight
W
Ken Wahl
Jimmie Walker
Isaiah Washington
John Wayne #
David A. R. White
Mary Wickes #
Fred Williamson
Noble Willingham #
Bruce Willis
James Woods
Chuck Woolery
Producers, directors, writers, studio chiefs and others
Jerry Bruckheimer
Frank Capra #
Johnny Carson #
Tom Clancy #
Frank DeMartini
Cecil B. DeMille #
Walt Disney #
D.W. Griffith #
Mary Hart
Butch Hartman
David Heavener
L. Q. Jones
Alex Kendrick
Andrew Klavan
David Mamet
John Milius
Gerald R. Molen
Rupert Murdoch
Ayn Rand #
Fred Rogers #
Aaron Russo #
Zack Snyder
Howard Stern
Ed Sullivan #
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Michael Winner #
Franco Zeffirelli #
David Zucker
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Dylan Moore, if you come here under different names it does not give you any credit, so stop trolling me under the name of “Illumination-Round” and the like, or you will be banned.
As regards your statements about Hollywood, for a person who has fewer connections with Hollywood than even your brother, you sound too sure of yourself when saying things you are supposed to know very little of.
This is what the media reports about Hollywood and the way people feel intimidated there if they have the misfortune to keep to conservative views:
And this is reported 12 years later – nothing changed:
And here is a “huge” list of 58 Hollywood personalities who call themselves conservatives in the industry which employs 927,000 people directly and supports 2.6 million total jobs:
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Hollywood IS NOT liberal. That’s an absolute lie invented by right-wing newsmakers like Rush Limbaugh, Fox and their ilk. They follow the Big Lie policy: say it enough times, it becomes true.
The CEOs, executives, writers and directors are overwhelmingly conservative. The actors are split between Democrats, Republicans, and the non-political. But because the mainstream media, who bend over backwards to try and get Limbaugh et al to ease off and stop saying “liberal media” (not that it ever works, because they never say these things in good faith), they only focus on what George Clooney’s latest fundraiser is.
The people making columns like these are useful fools or fellow travelers who can’t tell that they are selling a lie.
Besides, Mel Gibson has been accepted and is back in. And many progressives have supported him, and even said “he’s not racist, he’s not anti-Semitic, he’s not sexist.” Take one of his closest friends, Jodie Foster, who is as liberal as can be, and she has always supported him.
Hollywood doesn’t do anything because it’s leaning one way politically. They only act with their wallets and their stockholders. Nothing more, nothing less. Mel’s exile was simply because they wanted to protect their bottom line, not because of political affiliation.
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Absolutely not. Hollywood reporters say in their every article that Hollywood is almost wholly liberal. Take the story of Mel Gibson, for example, who is considered by Hollywood an outsider, a kind of an alien on the Hollywood territory:
And here is more about the real roots of estrangement between Gibson and Hollywood (don’t tell me that Hollywood is so saintly that they faint when they hear of someone being drunk or saying profanities. Tell that fairy tale to the naive).
The journalist speaks of Gibson being in the epicenter of a culture war in Hollywood and him being placed “outside the system” (same as Michael Jackson was put outside the system):
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P.S. The vast majority of the posters on the Van Halen forum that I particularly defended Michael on are right of center and conservative, and they believe firmly in Michael’s guilt, consider anyone defending him crazy. They despise me for being center-left, and they take the defending Michael as proof I’m certifiable. They also believe firmly that Pete Townshend is a p-le, despite the fact that the police officially proved that his version of events was true, but that because he’d admitting to using a credit card to enter such a site, they had to give him a 10-year caution. Apparently no one looking into the problem can be trying to stop it, even police officers doing so to shut these sites down must be p-les themselves.
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I’m only making this one extra response simply because you basically invited me to.
I’ve done a lot of my own research, and my beliefs are the results of my own research. That includes where I stand on the political spectrum. I’ve done a lot of digging on the other side to make sure, and I’m confident of where I stand and that what I believe and standing on Michael’s side are not in contradiction with each other.
If you want to know why the media so consistently lies about Michael, it’s the same reason they always lie about the Clintons, that they lie about Johnny Depp currently. These figures make good press, and they’re determined to tear them down no matter what. They basically want a new Watergate by any means, and write the article that takes these figures down, get their Pulitizer Prizes, become the next Woodward and Bernstein. There’s a basic saying: “Allegations get front pages, retractions get Page 24, if they’re even posted at all.” It’s not just with Michael, it’s with a lot of people. It’s what Don Henley wrote about, but you won’t consider him or his word valid just because.
I’m certainly glad to have a somewhat warmer parting between us, but I still believe we need some space, time apart. It’s good for both of us.
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I’ve looked up some of your writings about Michael Jackson on other forums and made sure that you indeed tried to defend him there, and this made me warm up to you a bit – after all your support for Michael is the only thing that really matters to me.
But I’ve also noticed that the people you talked to did not want to hear anything about Michael’s innocence.
This is why all I request you to do is ask yourself a couple of questions – why do all these people refuse even to look into the evidence exonerating him? Because the media kept saying horrible things about Michael and they are too lazy or conditioned to even check it up?
But why do the media so consistently lie about Jackson? Why do they never publish any facts that would have exonerated him long ago? Why do they never accept their mistakes?
In other words my request to you is to do your own research and see what conclusions you will come to.
Up till now you’ve only asked me to give you the answers, but things will look to you totally different when you try to answer those questions yourself.
And the value of what you will find will be incomparably higher to you when you find the truth yourself and really work for it.
And you will stand by what you have found – in the same way I stand by what I have found.
And you will have to revise many of the things you believe in now, because what you will find may very well clash with your beliefs.
And then you will have to choose between the hard-earned facts or your beliefs that are also so dear to you.
And then you can come back and we will talk again.
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That’s beyond reductionist. Basically saying, “There should not be hate crimes legislation because every crime, like robbery and insurance fraud, has hate inside of it.” Tell that to Matthew Shepard, to James Byrd, Jr., to the Jewish synagogues that are littered with Nazi graffiti. The dissident professor is not being visited on with hate and violence whatsoever. Besides, your strawman argument is quite facile, as professors are not teaching that at all in universities, because we’re still learning so much about the spectrum of sexuality. Nothing is set in stone. Next year we’ll know more than we did this year. That’s the way progress works. But university curriculums are not teaching that in sex ed yet, because it’s still so fluid.
By the way, Hollywood DID NOT support gays in the ’80s, the time Michael was supposed to have offended them so much. Gays were a target of ridicule and hateful jokes, especially in film and television. It was especially bad in the ’80s, when HIV/AIDS hit the hardest and it was being blamed as the “gay plague.” So the idea that they’d be so offended because of Michael insisting “I’m not gay” simply is not true to history.
The whole “if you’re mildly conservative, you’re worse than Hitler” is an exaggeration for comedic effect, pure and simple. Conservatives as a whole are not being “cancelled.” Did you notice the list of prominent conservatives in Hollywood who still have very thriving careers and aren’t given grief about that. The ones that are being targeted are those with genuinely hateful rhetoric, being homophobic, transphobic, racist, anti-Semitic, Islamaphobic, flirting with neo-Nazi/white supremacist speech, supporting war crimes, and so forth. People are not being dragged down simply for being right of center, except by a few agents provocateur that are infiltrating to discredit the movement or bullies looking for any excuse to do so. They don’t represent the movement as a whole.
By the way, conservatives/regressives are bemoaning cancel culture, but they commit in it regularly. Remember The (Dixie) Chicks, whose career was shoved into the ground by the country music audience simply because Natalie Maines (who supported Michael’s battle with Sony in 2002) said to a London audience “we’re ashamed that (President George W. Bush) is from Texas?” That they launched a blistering attack on the War in Iraq, and were dubbed “unpatriotic?” The way that Nixon and the FBI harassed John Lennon and moved to deport him simply for his antiwar views?
Don’t worry about me hanging around. I’m out of here. But frankly, you need someone else to take over this blog to keep its mission intact, because you’re gonna chase so many others away.
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Oh, violence and hate? But who will decide which speech foments violence and hate and which doesn’t?
For example, why is it not possible to doubt that elementary school children should be taught about 29 genders in human population (or even 100 genders as they claim now) and that 5 year olds should decide which gender they are? Why is no longer possible to even ask such questions?
[I personally single out this multi-gender issue because it was the final straw for me and unequivocally showed to me that in this aspect I am a total conservative.]
But why do biology academics who dare speak about two biological sexes get fired because of their statements? Why do they have to be afraid to speak about it?
Who fires these scientists? The government? No. They are fired because university officials are intimidated by their students who learned all that “progressive” science from some other professors. Okay, there might be different views on the subject, but why do they fire those who disagree? Isn’t this dismissal actually an act of hate and violence against the dissident professor? IT IS!
And what if a person writes about his doubts in 100 genders on Twitter? The person will be surely ostracized and cancelled – not by the government, but a huge social media corporation which decides that the person’s views are “wrong” and should be eradicated from the social platform.
But what difference does it make to the ostracized that it is not the government who censors the dissident but a private media corporation, or even all of them taken together – Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Google, etc? No difference at all. Their character assassination of the person will be “only” social, but it will still be an assassination. And what for? For doubting the “progressive” theories that will one day be overturned anyway?
And what if a person expresses the same doubts at his workplace and his employers fire him for being not “woke” enough? Of course this is better than imprisonment which an authoritarian regime is capable of, but the person will still lose his means of subsistence which in very many ways is equivalent to being left to starve, his family life being ruined and the family left homeless because of the unpaid mortgage, etc. So isn’t it violence and hate towards this person which are disguised as “the care for common good”?
Dylan, you are only 24 and your brother says that he is 29.
And I am 67 and know that the road to hell is always paved with good intentions. And if people don’t stop short and think twice about the ideas and ways some so-called “progressives” are promoting, the road will end where it is doomed to end – in sheer hell.
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Before you ask, yes, I’m related to your new nemesis. I’m his younger brother by five years. I don’t get involved in things like this, but I just wanted to say, no judgment here, that you made things really unpleasant. I don’t care who’s right or who’s wrong, just that the situation is not fixable.
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Free speech is not “freedom from consequences.” Everyone is still free to say what they want. But if they use that freedom in an irresponsible manner, fomenting violence and hate, they will suffer consequences; whether that is being fired from their job or worse.
Freedom of speech means the government can’t interfere. It doesn’t mean private employers can’t.
Progressives are still for freedom of speech. The modern conservative movement has twisted freedom of speech to mean impunity and not suffering any consequences for their behavior. That is very different.
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The above is correct, but the problem is that the plan to get rid of Michael Jackson did originate in Hollywood and the people there who masterminded the anti-MJ scam were wholly “progressive”. So progressive and so powerful they were (are) that they set the whole country if not half the world on their “progressive” route.
Michael Jackson was in a huge cultural conflict with Hollywood over everything under the sun – family values, belief in God, love, sex and even abortion, and one should be blind, deaf and in complete denial not to see it.
Their moral and cultural division was so deep that the Hollywood war on its outcast was inevitable. But Hollywood wouldn’t be Hollywood if it hadn’t worked out a thrilling scenario under which the anti-MJ scammers stayed behind the scene while Michael was attacked by others – liberals and conservatives alike as the matter of child protection is sensitive to both, and in the past few years have become even more sensitive to the traditionally-minded people who Michael actually sided with.
The assault against Michael Jackson was a classic provocation, when those who masterminded it all watched others trample Michael down while reaping the benefits for themselves – public attention was distracted from Hollywood which is indeed the den of pedophilia, as Corey Feldman testifies to it, and its perverts could continue with their activities unhindered.
To my big surprise not all conservatives fell for the anti-MJ scam and lots of them – like Rush Limbaugh, John Ziegler and others – asked reasonable questions, while the CNN, NY Times and Washington Post liberal camp worked in complete unison in unjustly accusing Michael Jackson with no proof at all. This is why the reaction of those few conservatives was precious as it showed that they were not bound head and foot by the “liberal” agenda and still possessed individual thinking as well as courage to express their independent views.
The only exception to the liberal media was Alan Duke of CNN, who quite objectively covered MJ’s character and the trial of Conrad Murray, but despite his superb reports had to leave CNN immediately after the trial. This was the first red flag for me, the first real sign of the so-called cancel culture which is in full swing now, when journalists with independent views have to leave their newspapers – an abhorrent tendency which is counter-progressive, counter-liberal and is fully pro-totalitarian.
Dear Susanne, your description of my views is not exactly correct as I also think that not all people are wholly conservative or wholly progressive. However the situation in the western part of the world has suddenly taken such a dramatic turn that people are forced to take sides.
Mildly conservative people have become labeled alt-right and nearly fascist, and at this pretext are cancelled, fired and ousted from wherever they are. Recently the comedian Ricky Gervais described this approach as follows: “If you mildly conservative, you are Hitler” (while the situation is exactly the opposite). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYi5T0yTl4
To me this kind of approach is totally unacceptable. First of all it is a horrible vilification of innocent people who simply have different views and are sometimes “guilty” of just asking reasonable questions. And secondly, it is an attack on people’s right to free speech and an extremely dangerous slide towards authoritarian thinking – something I never expected to see in the West. And what surprises me most is that reasonable people like you don’t seem to understand which way you are heading. From this point of view I certainly cannot go further with those who are marching in this direction – I have enough of that in my own country, thank you.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, so irrespective of my own liberal views I am now surprised to find myself among conservative thinkers who do stand for free speech, following the example of many others who were also pushed to turn against all this “progressivism” and became much more conservative than they ever imagined.
What an upside down world we live in now – neoliberals are against free speech while conservatives are!
I agree with you, Susanne, and not to embarrass you any further with my views, have changed your role of an administrator into an author. This way you can always write posts for this blog and make your comments too, but not being the blog admin can always disassociate from my views on various subjects and stay completely independent.
In the meantime I face an exceptionally difficult task to explain to conservative Americans that Michael Jackson was the first victim of a cancel culture raging in the US now and his example, as well as the ferocity of the current cultural fight, has shown that there is nothing the anti-conservative forces will stop at in order to slander and smear someone they consider their foe or mere opponent.
And Michael Jackson was their opponent, whether neoliberals like it or not. He was not wholly conservative and was largely liberal, but still an opponent.
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Hi guys, as a co-admin of this blog I finally feel myself compelled to make a short statement from my side regarding the latest developments and discussions on the blog.
I don’t know about the views of all the readers with respect to Helena’s latest posts, in which she took an unexpected turn towards a new classification into “progressive” and “conservative” members of our society, with progressive people being the ones responsible for Michael Jackson’s maltreatment and demise. But I already told Helena personally in several emails that I have a different view of this as well as of the history and the events in the US and our western society. And I was surprised about her latest opinions.
I am sorry to say that I cannot go this path with Helena, as I am not convinced of this way of classifying the culprits of Michael’s downfall.
I don’t believe in this division of two categories with one of them being guilty of mistreating MJ, and I don’t believe in our society being divided in just “progressive” and “conservative”. I believe that one can be progressive and conservative at the same time. And I believe that progressives as well as conservatives are responsible for what MJ had to endure, but mostly as individuals and not as a whole segment of society. Not only “progressives” can be accused of slandering Michael, and Michael was not only “conservative”.
To me it is disappointing to see how Helena took a turnoff into a direction which leads to more division and which I don’t want to go and I am not convinced of. I always supported her all these years through all the research she did and generally agreed with her about her findings. Her work in this past decade was outstanding. But at this point I cannot go further with her into this direction, and I will refrain from writing more posts or comments for the time being.
This is Helena’s blog and she is entitled to decide what she is going to write and which direction the blog is going. But this chosen direction is not mine, and I am very sad that we are divided about this and that probably the readers are divided in the same way.
Take care!
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Hello Elena and the participants, the site where the court documents on the Arvizo case are saved has been terminated. Here is the link:http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/
The domain expired.
Please inform the Santa Barbara Court to restore it.
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Hello Elena and the participants, the site where the court documents on the Arvizo case are saved has been terminated. The domain expired. Please inform the Santa Barbara Court to restore it.
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I guess I shall make just one last post, centered specifically about myself, to explain things and how I have been nothing but an ally in the fight to exonerate Michael. This shall be my absolute final word on the subject, and you shall never hear from me again.
I never claimed to have major connections to Hollywood. All I ever said was that I knew a friend who is a struggling scriptwriter, and done the rounds on a number of projects that never went anywhere, mainly for Broadway. He said he had contacts with people “who know people” higher up in various studios, and that he basically gets a lot of secondhand things. I never claimed anything more than that, and I certainly have no connections myself. I’m just a humble, 29-year-old college student in Florida with very limited prospects, and have to live with my parents, mainly because they are also my legal guardians because of the fact I have Asperger’s syndrome. If I had contacts in Hollywood, I wouldn’t be living like this.
When I gave the comments my scriptwriter friend said about Michael, Hook and whatnot, I was floored because in the past, his information about other people and things, particularly those connected with the singer/actor Meat Loaf and the producer/lyricist Jim Steinman as well as mega-successful manager Irving Azoff, have been quite good and truthful, there’d been no reason to doubt it. So, when he came up with all of this about Michael, I was knocked for a loop. I knew in my heart it couldn’t be true, but his information had been so reliable. I gave it to you, basically saying, “I know there’s an explanation for this, please provide it.” And you did, and I’m grateful for that. I did not come with an attempt to undermine this blog or the mission in any manner, I just wanted help and reassurance. Besides, there’s a very important fact: you can’t have faith without doubt, they go hand-in-hand. It’s not enough to believe something blindly, you also have to question whether it is sound to believe it, if you made the right choice. If you don’t question yourself, you can’t grow, your worldview can’t fully develop. So I always question myself and the things I believe all the time. Watch the Martin Scorsese film “Silence”, which is all about this.
I happen to have Michael Moore as my Christian name, and I deeply resent having to share the name with that blowhard. When did I ever refer to you as that? When did I call you him? I never have. If you can’t realize that, if you can’t decipher that from going back over our comments to each other, then need some help relearning basic reading and comprehension skills. I am not saying that as an insult, I’m saying it out of concern.
I have done everything I’ve done, everything I’ve said, because I thought of you as my friend. If I really wasn’t your friend, I would not raise these concerns I’ve had about where your train of thought is going. A real friend doesn’t just sit idly by and let them go down a worrisome path to potential self-destruction. They either try to help, to intervene, or if no progress is being made, they just take themselves out of the picture and leave because they can’t bear to watch. If anyone has not been a friend in our relationship, it has been you. You’ve completely batted me away and been a condescending ass throughout. You talk down to me, and to America and modern society as a whole, even though you both have never bothered to see it for yourself and visit, or to actually look beyond your little bubble. You don’t have expertise in any of this, so what you say simply cannot be taken seriously at this point. You are potentially leading to the downfall of this blog, and even the movement as a whole, because you give Michael’s detractors the ammunition they need to paint us as deranged.
Simply put, there are two rules you should keep in mind but haven’t been following. The first and most important is Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is often the right and most plausible one. So what is more likely: that Michael was set up by a coterie of big bad progressive boogeymen simply for his Godliness and insistence that he wasn’t gay; or that Michael simply made good press and that Geffen et al simply targeted him out of petty reasons that have nothing to do with liberalism?
The other rule is Hanlon’s razor: Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity and incompetence.
Helena, for the best of the blog, you have to step down and give the reins to someone else. Someone who isn’t going on these strange limbs and bogging the movement down with paranoid conspiracy theories and is determined to turn back the clock of social progress by a century. Someone new has to take charge and be the main editor and writer. They don’t have to be left-of-center in their political beliefs, but they certainly can’t be demonizing one side and the entire modern world in a continuous “old person yells at cloud” rant in one post after another. If you really care about Michael’s reputation like you say you do, you will do this.
I’m sorry it had to come to this, but I had to speak the truth.
P.S. If anything, Hollywood is run by conservatives. The CEOs, executives, writers and directors tend to be right-of-center. The studios give far more to Republican candidates than Democrats. Disney, in particular, gave more than half of its political donations to Republicans, specifically anti-abortion candidates.
Here are the most notable non-liberals in Hollywood. # means that individual is dead. You’ll see that there’s a lot of really notable names, names that appear just as often in gossip pages as George Clooney et al, however, because the press bend over backwards to attack Democrats more often, they only focus on Clooney and the others, not these people. And most of the names on this list still have very thriving careers. If Hollywood was such a “bastion of progressivism” with non-progressives truly being “silenced”, they wouldn’t still be working or getting so many plum roles. In any event, Hollywood is not truly “progressive.” It’s as much of a myth as the “liberal media” is.
Actors
A
Willie Aames
Tim Allen
Kirstie Alley
Leigh-Allyn Baker
Fred Astaire #
Christopher Atkins
B
Scott Baio
Adam Baldwin (not a Baldwin brother)
Stephen Baldwin
Brigitte Bardot
Roseanne Barr
Lionel Barrymore #
Owen Benjamin
Corbin Bernsen
Danny Bonaduce
Sonny Bono #
Powers Boothe #
Ernest Borgnine #
Samantha Boscarino
Wilford Brimley #
Morgan Brittany
Zachery Ty Bryan
Candace Cameron Bure
Gary Busey
Pat Buttram #
C
James Caan
James Cagney #
Dean Cain
Michael Caine
Kirk Cameron
Maria Canals-Barrera
Pat Carroll
Drew Cary
Adam Carolla
Dixie Carter #
Emma Caulfield
Jim Caviezel
Lacey Chabert
Margaret Colin
Joan Collins
Chuck Connors #
Steven Crowder
Jim Cummings
Ken Curtis #
D
Tony Danza
Stacey Dash
Robert Davi
Julienne Davis
Bruce Davison
Doris Day #
Bo Derek
Taylor Dooley
Shannen Doherty
James Downey
Robert Downey, Jr.
Robert Duvall
E
Clint Eastwood
Buddy Ebsen #
R. Lee Ermey #
Joe Estevez
Kevin Farley
F
Lou Ferrigno
Glenn Ford #
Steven Ford
Dennis Franz
G
Clark Gable #
Vincent Gallo
Andy Garcia
John Gavin #
Mel Gibson
Lilian Gish #
Jenn Gotzon
Gary Graham
Kelsey Grammer
Coleen Gray #
Angie Harmon
H
Shane Harper
Melissa Joan Hart
Patricia Heaton
Charlton Heston #
Earl Holliman
Dennis Hopper #
Clint Howard
Barry Humphries
Tab Hunter #
J
Richard Lee Jackson
Victoria Jackson
Angus T. Jones
Henry Jones #
Vinnie Jones
K
Sean Kanan
Patrick Kilpatrick
L
Cheryl Ladd
Lorenzo Lamas
Sonny Landham #
Jennifer Lawrence
Christopher Lee #
Rose Leslie
Jerry Lewis #
Rich Little
Lindsay Lohan
June Lockhart
Rob Lowe
Susan Lucci
Dolph Lundgren
M
Jock Mahoney #
Bruce Marchiano
Jackie Mason
David McCallum
Bruce McGill
Gerald McRaney
Adolphe Menjou #
Vera Miles
Ray Milland #
Dennis Miller
Mary Tyler Moore #
Roger Moore #
Michael Moriarty
N
Craig T. Nelson
Michael J. Nelson
Chuck Norris
O
John O’Hurley
Jennifer O’Neill
Gary Oldman
Susan Olsen
P
Janis Paige
Fess Parker #
Vincent Pastore
Mark Pellegrino
Josep C. Phillips
Walter Pidgeon #
Q
Dennis Quaid
Randy Quaid
R
John Ratzenberger
Ronald Reagan #
James Remar
Donna Reed #
Joan Rivers #
Ginger Rogers #
Cesar Romero #
Mickey Rooney #
Mickey Rourke
Jane Russell #
Kurt Russell
S
Antonio Sabáto Jr.
Adam Sandler
John Schneider
Rob Schneider
Ricky Schroder
Arnold Schwarzenegger
George C. Scott #
Nick Searcy
Steven Seagal
Tom Selleck
Charlie Sheen
Ron Silver #
Gary Sinise
Suzanne Somers
Kevin Sorbo
Spike Spencer
Sylvester Stallone
Barbara Stanwyck #
Ben Stein
Brad Stine
James Stewart #
Caroline Sunshine
Kristy Swanson
T
Marshall Teague
Shirley Temple #
Fred Dalton Thompson #
V
Vince Vaughn
Jon Voight
W
Ken Wahl
Jimmie Walker
Isaiah Washington
John Wayne #
David A. R. White
Mary Wickes #
Fred Williamson
Noble Willingham #
Bruce Willis
James Woods
Chuck Woolery
Producers, directors, writers, studio chiefs and others
Jerry Bruckheimer
Frank Capra #
Johnny Carson #
Tom Clancy #
Frank DeMartini
Cecil B. DeMille #
Walt Disney #
D.W. Griffith #
Mary Hart
Butch Hartman
David Heavener
L. Q. Jones
Alex Kendrick
Andrew Klavan
David Mamet
John Milius
Gerald R. Molen
Rupert Murdoch
Ayn Rand #
Fred Rogers #
Aaron Russo #
Zack Snyder
Howard Stern
Ed Sullivan #
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Michael Winner #
Franco Zeffirelli #
David Zucker
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thank you very much who ever you are, a lot of people are fighting for mj we need to fight for him together since his no more alive and his family and friends can’t do it by their own they need support
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Hi Helena,
Censorship , on a large scale , isn’t something I’m familiar with , so , I would say , you have a much greater knowledge of , and understanding, of what a slippery slope , it can lead to ,
than me.,
What, you are pointing out, is , true, that when people are shocked and scared , in that moment, others can , use that , to their , advantage, and may try to amass more power and control..
That is a fact , that have overlooked, in my state of shock this week.
right now, people are dismayed ,confused and terribly frightened
As always , I have great respect , for your knowledge and your own experience, of these things, , so I’m going to take , your words to heart, and pay close attention, to your words
Thank you for pointing , that out to me ❤
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Nan, I am not going to discuss the highly controversial figure of Trump here.
What I stand for is freedom of speech as one of the foundations of democracy. When freedom of speech is restricted you can say good-bye to democracy as such.
In come censorship, fear, authoritarianism and then totalitarism.
The danger of the process is that restrictions are always made in the name of some good and therefore the changes for the worse go unnoticed by the majority of people.
And when all plurality of opinion is irreversibly banned it is always too late to protest.
If it goes the way it goes now, you will understand it in the next ten-twenty years.
I will not be here to see it, but know for sure that you will understand.
We know it.
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The whole of your statement qualifies as a malicious denunciation and a public insult, because all your statements are based on your assumptions only and downright lies about me. And you have certainly never been my friend (recently you even admitted to spreading tales about me behind my back), nor did I ever consider you one.
Moreover you have never been a “proud member of the fight to prove Michael’s innocence” either – your numerous comments about Michael testify to you doubting his innocence at best, and at worst to your working against him in a sophisticated, provocative and nefarious way of your own.
You have certainly intensified activities against me due to my latest research of the role of Hollywood in undermining Michael Jackson’s career and reputation, and the more I write about it the fiercer your attacks are – which actually tells me that I am on the right path.
You’ve always referred to your friend in Hollywood with whom you allegedly had arguments about Michael’s innocence and in your private correspondence with me called yourself Michael Moore, the namesake of Michael Moore, the Hollywood documentary film-maker who does not even want to hear about Jackson’s innocence.
So whether you are the Michael Moore or just his namesake, you certainly have good connections with Hollywood, and as such are resentful of my view of Hollywood as a place where the idea to undermine Michael Jackson originated.
And the fact that Hollywood is wholly “progressive” is not disputed by anyone except you. This is how the link between the Hollywood plans against Michael Jackson with its “progressivism” formed, and I will certainly pursue my studies to explore it further.
This study will take much time and a good deal of luck too, so in a way I will take your advice and will not distract myself with other issues while writing for this blog.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549
Hi
I’m just scrolling and saw the post about concern , that trump was thrown off social media.., and some are concerned ,he is being censured ,
I thought I would put this commentary post up, as this woman is a career state dept person, and also testified , when trump was impeached regarding UKraine
She is neither left or right , but it may help explain , why , in her opinion, he lost his ability to post on social media.
Trump is still able to call a press conference at any time , or hold a photo opt/rally as he did today , or call, into FOX News , and other outlets , as that is his right, and theirs..
Politics in America is extremely heated , and people, who are politicians , as well as commentators , always like to make it more heated , and fan the flames
Mr Trump is very familiar with how this game with media plays,
He has been manipulating media since the 80s, as I recall
I think he is very masterful, when it comes to media and putting his message out , as unfortunately. We saw at the CAPITOL, the other day..
Hope is might help
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I hereby officially renounce my informal membership on Vindicating Michael.
I will always remain a proud member of the fight to prove Michael’s innocence, but I simply cannot in good conscience remain associated with this particular blog due to the way that its message and purpose has been hijacked to become a broadside more focused on attacking progressives and any figure left-of-center as being responsible for the attacks on Michael, and by extension, all the ills of the world.
The original purpose of the blog, to establish the evidence of Michael’s innocence and the motives of the figures responsible for attacking him, and her impressive research identifying the likely role of David Geffen in helping start the attacks as well as aiding and abetting predators in the entertainment industry like Harvey Weinstein and Bryan Singer, have fallen by the wayside, replaced by trying to turn progressivism as a boogeyman that wants to legalize and enfranchise p-les and cannibals, as being part of a hivemind that marches in lockstep with the intent to destroy the social order.
The focus on proving nebulous and shadowy conspiracies, and the effort to turn Michael into a martyr of the culture wars, of a figure intent to bring God’s word and sermonize His truth who was snuffed out by atheists and any non-Christian in Hollywood, is a blatantly ahistorical rendering of the events in his life and the many manufactured scandals he had to contend with, and it flies in the face of the truth. It also is built upon the tacit and implicit support of racism, anti-Semitism and transphobia. At times, Helena would repost articles and blog posts from people like Michelle Malkin, without knowing their histories and beliefs, simply because they made statements that she agreed with, and didn’t look further. Or the fact that she shows support for the insurrectionist mob that stormed the Capitol, and that Trump is being silenced and “cancelled” despite “doing nothing wrong.” The dog whistles of turning everyone who is left of center into being exactly like Jim Jones is beyond the pale, and Michael would be ashamed to know that this is all being used to support him. This is not what being a real fan, supporting him, is about.
The squashing of dissent here is also quite thoroughly disgraceful. Those who do not march directly in line with Helena are labeled “not objective observers devoted to the truth”, their voices silenced and removed from the equation. Vindicating Michael is now being turned into a cult, the only people being lavished with praise and attention the ones who completely agree with her viewpoints. All my efforts to speak out and point out the inherent hypocrisy in her positions, the dangerous effects of her ignorance about various matters and the worldview she is pushing, but most importantly how her screeds will do great harm to the #MJInnocent community by making us all look like paranoid conspiracy-minded lunatics, have simply been dismissed as sour grapes, whining and “diverting attention to subjects unrelated to the blog,” despite my pointing out that she did so first. I spoke out as such because I thought of Helena as my friend, and cared deeply about her, was concerned for her. But she flatly rejected my concern, and said all I was doing was trying to censor and silence her, being part of the “socialist march to destruction.”
I have become the last voice of sanity on the site, as all other figures left-of-center have abandoned the site already, moving on because they simply don’t want to hear this anymore. Except that now, I am officially leaving as well, leaving the shattered remains of the blog to itself. This kingdom of paranoia, the room full of mirrors, is all hers and hers alone.
Forgive me, Helena, but it has to be this way. As a friend, I simply cannot stand by and continue to watch a friend’s sad decline and self-destruction, your insistence on chasing windmills to the detriment of the movement. I strongly insist that you take a step back from the blog, a mental vacation from everything. Get out into the world and get lost in everything else there is, even if you can only do so virtually and from the comforts of home. Get away from the Internet, the news, all of it, and just simply enjoy life to its fullest. At least 6 months or so of this. And just sit back. After all, the Jackson family-HBO case is going to public arbitration now, and the odds of victory are very good, which will undo the damage that Leaving Neverland wrought. And by your time away, maybe you can finally gain some much-needed perspective about America, progressivism, and politics in general, and how Geffen didn’t destroy Michael because of publicly being a liberal, but because of petty jealousy.
I wish you nothing but the best, Helena, but I simply cannot remain a party to this continual character assassination that is being used to protest the character assassination of Michael, of lending credence to violence and xenophobia, among other things, despite moving to support the innocence of a man whose very nature and mission to aid his fellow man and end bigotry in all its forms.
If any member or commentator who has left messages in the past on Vindicating Michael who has been cowed into silence or left because of Helena’s posts and beliefs, I earnestly implore you to make your presence known and speak up, and take up the mantle of leadership and/or truth.
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How funny. Instead of going to sleep I found a book by Stacey Dash (the Hollywood actress you introduced me to) called “There Goes My Social Life: From Clueless to Conservative”, and she says that Hollywood is overwhelmingly progressive and that “the only thing that can really ruin your reputation as a celebrity is to come out as a Republican”. In her opinion even accused pedophiles are more welcome in Hollywood than conservatives:
Her other comments are illuminating too:
In short, Hollywood seems to be all about Hypocrisy. Will continue reading tomorrow. Good night.
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If anything, Hollywood is run by conservatives. The CEOs, executives, writers and directors tend to be right-of-center. The studios give far more to Republican candidates than Democrats. Disney, in particular, gave more than half of its political donations to Republicans, specifically anti-abortion candidates.
Here are the most notable non-liberals in Hollywood. # means that individual is dead. You’ll see that there’s a lot of really notable names, names that appear just as often in gossip pages as George Clooney et al, however, because the press bend over backwards to attack Democrats more often, they only focus on Clooney and the others, not these people. And most of the names on this list still have very thriving careers. If Hollywood was such a “bastion of progressivism” with non-progressives truly being “silenced”, they wouldn’t still be working or getting so many plum roles. In any event, Hollywood is not truly “progressive.” It’s as much of a myth as the “liberal media” is.
Actors
A
Willie Aames
Tim Allen
Kirstie Alley
Leigh-Allyn Baker
Fred Astaire #
Christopher Atkins
B
Scott Baio
Adam Baldwin (not a Baldwin brother)
Stephen Baldwin
Brigitte Bardot
Roseanne Barr
Lionel Barrymore #
Owen Benjamin
Corbin Bernsen
Danny Bonaduce
Sonny Bono #
Powers Boothe #
Ernest Borgnine #
Samantha Boscarino
Wilford Brimley #
Morgan Brittany
Zachery Ty Bryan
Candace Cameron Bure
Gary Busey
Pat Buttram #
C
James Caan
James Cagney #
Dean Cain
Michael Caine
Kirk Cameron
Maria Canals-Barrera
Pat Carroll
Drew Cary
Adam Carolla
Dixie Carter #
Emma Caulfield
Jim Caviezel
Lacey Chabert
Margaret Colin
Joan Collins
Chuck Connors #
Steven Crowder
Jim Cummings
Ken Curtis #
D
Tony Danza
Stacey Dash
Robert Davi
Julienne Davis
Bruce Davison
Doris Day #
Bo Derek
Taylor Dooley
Shannen Doherty
James Downey
Robert Downey, Jr.
Robert Duvall
E
Clint Eastwood
Buddy Ebsen #
R. Lee Ermey #
Joe Estevez
Kevin Farley
F
Lou Ferrigno
Glenn Ford #
Steven Ford
Dennis Franz
G
Clark Gable #
Vincent Gallo
Andy Garcia
John Gavin #
Mel Gibson
Lilian Gish #
Jenn Gotzon
Gary Graham
Kelsey Grammer
Coleen Gray #
Angie Harmon
H
Shane Harper
Melissa Joan Hart
Patricia Heaton
Charlton Heston #
Earl Holliman
Dennis Hopper #
Clint Howard
Barry Humphries
Tab Hunter #
J
Richard Lee Jackson
Victoria Jackson
Angus T. Jones
Henry Jones #
Vinnie Jones
K
Sean Kanan
Patrick Kilpatrick
L
Cheryl Ladd
Lorenzo Lamas
Sonny Landham #
Jennifer Lawrence
Christopher Lee #
Rose Leslie
Jerry Lewis #
Rich Little
Lindsay Lohan
June Lockhart
Rob Lowe
Susan Lucci
Dolph Lundgren
M
Jock Mahoney #
Bruce Marchiano
Jackie Mason
David McCallum
Bruce McGill
Gerald McRaney
Adolphe Menjou #
Vera Miles
Ray Milland #
Dennis Miller
Mary Tyler Moore #
Roger Moore #
Michael Moriarty
N
Craig T. Nelson
Michael J. Nelson
Chuck Norris
O
John O’Hurley
Jennifer O’Neill
Gary Oldman
Susan Olsen
P
Janis Paige
Fess Parker #
Vincent Pastore
Mark Pellegrino
Josep C. Phillips
Walter Pidgeon #
Q
Dennis Quaid
Randy Quaid
R
John Ratzenberger
Ronald Reagan #
James Remar
Donna Reed #
Joan Rivers #
Ginger Rogers #
Cesar Romero #
Mickey Rooney #
Mickey Rourke
Jane Russell #
Kurt Russell
S
Antonio Sabáto Jr.
Adam Sandler
John Schneider
Rob Schneider
Ricky Schroder
Arnold Schwarzenegger
George C. Scott #
Nick Searcy
Steven Seagal
Tom Selleck
Charlie Sheen
Ron Silver #
Gary Sinise
Suzanne Somers
Kevin Sorbo
Spike Spencer
Sylvester Stallone
Barbara Stanwyck #
Ben Stein
Brad Stine
James Stewart #
Caroline Sunshine
Kristy Swanson
T
Marshall Teague
Shirley Temple #
Fred Dalton Thompson #
V
Vince Vaughn
Jon Voight
W
Ken Wahl
Jimmie Walker
Isaiah Washington
John Wayne #
David A. R. White
Mary Wickes #
Fred Williamson
Noble Willingham #
Bruce Willis
James Woods
Chuck Woolery
Producers, directors, writers, studio chiefs and others
Jerry Bruckheimer
Frank Capra #
Johnny Carson #
Tom Clancy #
Frank DeMartini
Cecil B. DeMille #
Walt Disney #
D.W. Griffith #
Mary Hart
Butch Hartman
David Heavener
L. Q. Jones
Alex Kendrick
Andrew Klavan
David Mamet
John Milius
Gerald R. Molen
Rupert Murdoch
Ayn Rand #
Fred Rogers #
Aaron Russo #
Zack Snyder
Howard Stern
Ed Sullivan #
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Michael Winner #
Franco Zeffirelli #
David Zucker
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Tomorrow I will look up Stacey Dash too, but Hollywood and progressivism are practically synonymous. Same as Geffen is synonymous with progressivism on the major part of its issues. Progressivism is upheld my the whole of California which is actually its seat.
P.S. I’ve looked up Stacey Dash and I am almost sure that I never referenced any of her articles. As usual you are telling tales about me.
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I’ve read a little about Michelle Malkin and she does look like an intolerant bitch. Here is a piece about her quarrel with Geraldo Rivera:
But as regards Hollywood she was still right! Sometimes it takes wrong people to say the right things.
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Progressivism is not the cause of Bryan Singer getting away with his crimes. When progressives find offenders in their midst, they are excommunicated and distanced from at once; Republicans keep them in.
Just because Malkin has good points on this subject does not make her trustworthy on other subjects. Seriously, you’re going to trust someone who supported the cruelty of holding Japanese-Americans in camps without trial because “they could be enemies sent to sabotage America from within?”
Stacey Dash had an article, I forget what it’s called, but she basically said “I’m a black conservative and I’m being silenced,” and also rode the “Hollywood p-les” problem and Corey Feldman’s abuse to make a point that doesn’t exist. Because again, progressivism is not the cause of Feldman and Corey Haim being violated, nor the offenders getting away with it all for decades. You’re going to give support to someone who says “blacks are quick to stay on the Democratic plantation,” that racism is not a problem in America anymore?
These people are not allies in the battle to clear Michael, they don’t even actually care about Corey Feldman or what he went through.
Besides, they’ll rail and say “progressives are the problem”, but say nothing about Ted Nugent and his many years of predatory behavior, of Trump and the dozens of women he assaulted, of Bill Cosby and the dozens of women he violated, of Republican sex offenders like Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Bob Livingston, Dennis Hastert, Larry Craig; of offenders like Jerry Falwell, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, and so on.
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Well, I really don’t know Malkin’s views on other issues, but the article you’ve mentioned could very well be quoted in my blogpost about Woody Allen. And now that I reread it I see that she was absolutely right. Moreover, she also mentioned “progressivism” which I had no idea of back in 2014 when the article was written, so 6 years afterwards I came to the same conclusions myself. An interesting phenomenon.
It’s also interesting that Michelle Malkin is just another of those conservatives who strongly speak against pedophilia in Hollywood. I’ve noticed long ago that more liberal sources somehow whitewash the subject.
Let me quote Malkin’s article again as the facts she refers to are correct and have been discussed by us on many occasions.
Now what about Stacey Dash? What wrong did this person do and did I also give a link to her/him?
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By “support” I mean that you are accepting and posting their comments uncritically, without knowing who they are or what they represent. If anything, the fact that you don’t even know them by name shows that you are linking and reposting articles that correspond to your views without making sure you know all the facts, that you even know who the messenger is. Your ignorance of that is leading you down a dangerous road. Malkin is the one who wrote the article “Hollywood’s Sexual Predator Problem Explodes,” and that you linked to, particularly in your blog posts about Woody Allen. You reprinted the article without knowing that it is written by someone who excuses crimes against humanity committed in the War on Terror, who defends the internment camps. Your ignorance is leading you down a dangerous path.
“You take the conversation aside into realms which are beyond the subjects covered in this blog.” You’re the one who started it, with your focus on battering progressives and saying they are responsible for Michael’s death. YOU started that, not me. This blog is about supporting Michael’s innocence and the players involved; it is NOT a manifesto attacking liberals and holding them responsible for everything wrong with the world and as the main drivers behind Michael’s harassment. Yet you are determined to make it one, and completely derailing the mission of the blog. It is disturbingly similar to the tactics, but not the content, of the Nazis and the demonization of the Jews as responsible for the world’s ills. Just because you’re not saying “Jews are the problem” does not mean it is not similar.
I’m not directly attributing quotes to you or saying the blog posts you reprint are you, but what I’m saying is that it all leads up to painting a picture, and I’m telling you what it is. Just because you’re not directly saying “all progressives are like Jim Jones” does not mean you are not implying it. If you can’t see that effect, that both what you say and what you don’t say can lead to the same picture, that you can’t see how they combine together, that’s your problem, not mine.
As to why I keep a “constant watch” over you…first of all, I don’t spend every minute of my day focusing on you. But the reason I’m saying all this is because I care for you, and I consider you a friend. And a duty as one’s friend is to look out for them, and point out how concerned you are about them, that “your actions will lead to this if you’re not careful.” All I do is out of love and concern. I don’t want to lose you to the same forces of radicalization and violent rhetoric that has led to the problems of the last few years. It’s your choice to accept it or not.
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Okay, but what do these people have to do with me? You claim that I “support” them while I even don’t know who they are! Is it a deliberate lie on your part or are you carried away by your emotions so much?
I absolutely do not intend to respond to each of your statements because you constantly take the conversation aside into the realms which are beyond the subjects covered in this blog.
In fact, I need you to explain why you constantly attribute to me the words I never said and accuse me of supporting people I never mentioned.
And why, in general, do you keep a constant watch over me? Are you my censor, mentor or what?
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I mentioned them before:
Michelle Malkin has made comments supporting the internment of Japanese-Americans in WWII, even though she is of Asian descent herself, and is an apologist for war crimes aplenty, such as Abu Ghraib.
Stacey Dash is a token accepted the Republicans to say “racism is not an issue anymore, there is no police brutality going on, blacks now want to be superior to whites,” and on and on. Basically, she is the very epitome of an Uncle Tom.
And Milo DOES NOT CARE about pedophilia. He simply does not. All he is is a gadfly and bully, who says nothing constructive and wants to be a martyr to say “Help help, I’m being oppressed” when nothing of the sort is happening. He has no morals, no conscience, no love for anyone other than himself. He is a narcissist, and a likely sociopath, plain and simple.
Did I say the sources of the Russian blog posts were you? No, I did not. But I pointed out that you don’t go beyond your comfort zone, to take a full examination of everything, especially to tackle complex issues.
What happened to Michael was inexcusable, and every media outlet should be ashamed. I fully agree with that. The point I’m saying is that that one incident is not representative of them as a whole. No one is perfect, and this demonstrates all that. For example, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s focus on Richard Jewell after the Centennial Olympic Park bombing, or the Rolling Stone article about rape at the University of Virginia are also notable shocking lapses in journalistic standards.
On social issues like what we’re facing now, they are far more credible than the sources you cite. However, they have not gone far enough. They never referred to what Trump has done as lies, hate speech, fomenting violence, or any of the above, because they cared far more about making a spectacle than reporting the truth; as well as wanting access to the White House, even when it no longer was appropriate.
In case you think this is a sign of contradiction, that I’m shooting myself in the foot, it’s not. The fact remains that nothing is black and white, good versus evil, any of that. It’s possible for people to have both God and the devil inside of them, to be capable of both incredible compassion and unspeakable monstrosity. So it is with the media. What they did to Michael does not automatically make them less credible on other events. It’s a case-by-case basis.
And the fact that you never respond to every part of my responses proves that you are purposefully ignoring them, just content to stick your fingers in your ears and go “La-la-la, I’m not listening!”
You want to respond? Respond to every single thing I say. Point by point. That would show your intellectual honesty.
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Dear, I take very much effort to educate myself about the US now and even read a lot of books about it. But the sources I quoted were not me. These are various Russian liberally-minded bloggers who are extremely conscious about censorship in my own country and are therefore on the alert for similar things taking place in the US. If anything, I would suggest that you listen to their voices. They mean well.
Interesting … I am not tarring America in the least and am just extremely surprised by the events there. And, shall I say that due to Michael Jackson I’ve become sensitive to what is happening in your country? Because if it were not for MJ I would not have even looked and couldn’t have cared less.
But speaking about Michael Jackson the current situation around Trump has made it absolutely clear to me that an orchestrated nationwide smear campaign against Michael Jackson was perfectly possible. With all those “respectable” sources like the NY Times, CNN and others taking part. If they could make so massive a protest against the elected president, they could perfectly do the same against Michael.
Not a single doubt is now left.
I did quote Milo on a couple of occasions, when he spoke about pedophilia in Hollywood. But who are the two other people and what did I “say” about them?
And you stood up against me and demonstrated my “problems”? Thanks for telling me!
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Someone’s got it in for me, they’re planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they’d cut it out but when they will I can only guess
They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
I can’t help it if I’m lucky
People see me all the time and they just can’t remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts
Even you, yesterday you had to ask me where it was at
I couldn’t believe after all these years, you didn’t know me better than that
Sweet lady
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth
Blowing down the backroads headin’ south
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You’re an idiot, babe
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
I ran into the fortune-teller, who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven’t known peace and quiet for so long I can’t remember what it’s like
There’s a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door
You didn’t know it, you didn’t think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin’ every battle
I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin’ ’bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin’ me see stars
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies
One day you’ll be in the ditch, flies buzzin’ around your eyes
Blood on your saddle
Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb
Blowing through the curtains in your room
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You’re an idiot, babe
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasn’t enough to change my heart
Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped
What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you reach the top
You’re on the bottom
I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can’t remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes
don’t look into mine
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the
building burned
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the
springtime turned
Slowly into Autumn
Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You’re an idiot, babe
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
I can’t feel you anymore, I can’t even touch the books you’ve read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin’ I was somebody else instead
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin’ glory
I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I’m finally free
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me
You’ll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above
And I’ll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love
And it makes me feel so sorry
Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the letters that we wrote
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves
We’re idiots, babe
It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves
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Trump is not being censored. He’s being held accountable. He fomented hate and division, and basically advocated violent upheaval, especially at the rally that occurred right before the mob charged into the Capitol Building. This is the direct result of comments like “lock her up”, “Second Amendment People”, and many other comments.
He broke one of the main rules of Twitter: no hate speech. And yet, until now, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and many other sources have never properly enforced them, because they rely too much on the ad revenue and clicks brought forth by right-wing figures. If anyone is being censored, it’s the left-of-center figures, who actually are being deplatformed and demonetized just for saying “abortion”, “gun control”, “gun”, “weapon”, “vagina”, “atheism”, and so on.
That “experiencing history” argument is a double-edged sword. You don’t know what is truly happening here in America. Not just because you don’t live here, you don’t have to live in a place to know what’s happening. But you don’t take the effort or time to educate yourself and read what is actually happening from the knowledgeable sources. You choose instead to read only right-wing blogs and Twitter/Facebook posts, never a wide spectrum of news. Despite their very real problems, especially where Michael is concerned, places like The New York Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek, Time, Rolling Stone, CNN, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, MSNBC are far more reliable than the sources you choose.
And for keeping things in check, especially seeing where misinformation comes from, sources like the Columbia Journalism Review, Media Matters for America, Fairness and Accuracy In Research, Daily Kos, Slate and PressRun are the places to look.
And leaving aside all that, take the time actually read a variety of books, or just do cursory investigation.
You don’t do any of that, you just stay in your echo chamber, and despite your hatred and disdain for Putin, you are still very much in thrall to his disinformation, simply because it corresponds with your worldview, especially about progressives, LGBT, the media, and warped perceptions about America. You don’t know, you don’t know what you don’t know, and you’re happy to stay where you don’t know, because it ticks all of your boxes.
Never mind that much of the violence in America has often come from the right-of-center. Timothy McVeigh considered himself a “patriot” standing up against an overzealous government just for gun control when he bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, exacting vengeance for the federal government’s actions at Waco; even though the gun control offenses were just part of the story, and they were taking on a religious cult.
Eric Robert Rudolph bombed Centennial Olympic Park during the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta because he saw the Games as promoting a “Socialist New World Order, as told by John Lennon in ‘Imagine'”, then also firebombed lesbian bars and abortion clinics. He was also a white supremacist.
Employees at Planned Parenthood locations and abortion clinics are harassed, hounded, shamed, and even killed by “pro-life” figures, and yet despite their claims, they don’t advocate anything for the children after they are born, and basically say “once they’re out of the womb, they can go fuck themselves.”
In your eyes, people on the right that commit these offenses are solely lone wolves that are “disturbed and need our attention”, but every left-of-center figure is exactly the same as Jim Jones, because “he said he was socialist, therefore everyone like that is like him.” Never mind that the people at Jonestown were more accurately murdered, not committing suicide. You’ll say “but that’s not what I’m saying at all. Where did you get an atrocious idea like that?” You don’t have to say it; your words are still heavily implying this, laced with dog whistles that lead in this direction. You can’t wriggle your way out of it. This message is implied by what you already do say, you don’t have to say the rest directly.
Your tarring of America and of an entire political line of thought simply does no favors and completely undermines your defense of Michael, because everyone will simply look at you as a raving, paranoid conspiracy nut, the same type of person raving about flouride in the water, microchips under our skin and alien autopsies.
I know there are other people on this blog who feel the same way. They just have not said anything because you are frightening them away with your intransigence and narrow-mindedness.
If anyone else reading this feels the same, stand up and make yourselves heard, I implore you. I know some of you did stand up when I went to demonstrate the problems of Helena’s support for Milo, Michelle Malkin and Stacey Dash.
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Let us call a spade a spade. Welcome to censorship, guys!
[rough translation]
Well, at least now we are not alone 🙂
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Again, many of those “experienced” in history will have a different take on the matter. Here is one more message to you from Eastern Europe, just as an example (rough translation) :
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Sorry, but no. The crowd that stormed the capital building were traitors, pure and simple, there to overturn the results of a lawful election, and potentially even kidnap or kill Congresspeople and Senators just for certifying Biden’s electoral victory. And Trump and his people fanned the flames with dangerous rhetoric that fanned the flames, as has continued all the way back when Trump talked about “Second Amendment people” taking care of Hillary Clinton in 2016.
It all is following in the footsteps of when people like Netanyahu made speeches and doctored photos of Yitzhak Rabin in Nazi uniform, denouncing him simply for working to attempt to make peace with Arafat and the Palestinians, which led directly to Rabin being assassinated.
If anyone is moving to commence in the actions the picture represents, it is the right-wing, anti-masker, Trump Train, QAnon people, seeking with their actions to turn America into a fascist banana republic.
And the media has been fluffing Trump for far too long while going on the offensive attacking Democrats for anything and everything and policing their tone, while letting Republicans off the hook for advocating a coup.
If America WERE socialist, Twitter would be government-owned, and they wouldn’t ban Trump, because his rhetoric would be considered “state actions.” But because Twitter is privately owned, they can react how they please; if anything they didn’t go far enough because they’ve coddled hatemongers to drive its traffic for far too long. They and Facebook have amplified and nurtured right-wing figures, not censored them. The reason Trump is banned is because of capitalism, not in spite of it.
Freedom of speech is not the same thing as “freedom from consequences.” Freedom of speech protects you from the government trying to stifle you; it does not mean employers can simply leave you alone or hold you accountable, or people pointing things out and doing likewise.
If you’d even been remotely interested in looking at American life and politics, you’d see this was true.
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Luv4hutch, here is for your attention from someone who “experienced” history:
https://twitter.com/treugolny_hui/status/1348021378306473985
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What happened was an attempt at a coup, an insurrection meant to overturn the lawful results of an election. And the media didn’t accurately describe Trump or his supporters for far too long.
https://pressrun.media/p/trumps-final-disgrace-and-how-the
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It no longer surprises me that the Western media were in cahoots in their bias and attacks against Michael Jackson.
The same is being done now, in an even more open way and against a much more prominent person at that.
Now there can’t be any doubt that a similar worldwide campaign was possible against Jackson.
The view from Eastern Europe:
[StalinGulag: What a shame was to ban Trump. Like our f—g Roskomnadzor
Vasya Oblomov: 100%]
https://twitter.com/aavst/status/1347883001615708160
Rough translation of Vasya Oblomov’s message:
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Happy New Year, all people of integrity!
The Letter to Santa from Vasya in Moscow:
Rough translation:
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That’s a very interesting article , as I recall, Oprah catching flack, for backing OBama , given he was running against a woman and her entire career , seemed, to supposedly be about empowering and uplifting women., that she would even take a side, even if she didn’t think she could win ., was sticking her neck out..
But she supposedly Supported HIm, because he was black and from Chicago..
You could be right , that Geffen was behind her endorsement..
Maybe she got her marching orders from him..
She has always wanted to be big in Hollywood, not just Chicago.., but as an actress and player..
Makes me wonder , who decided it was a good idea, for MJ to do, an interview and with Oprah..and at that time.
It would make sense, he would give Oprah a black woman, a great opportunity, .
But I wonder , how it came to fruition in the first place , and given the kind of distain , she displayed to MJ yet loyalty to Weinstein, and others, after, just makes you wonder..
Maybe there was an agenda behind that too, given how chandler, was talking about others behind it as well.
Her supposed platform, for hating MJ, is that she is supposed to be a survivor herself , but I’ve always questioned that as an embellishment..
And frankly , given how readily , she used. A roomful of AFTUAL survivors ,without even researching the lawsuit brought by RObson /Safechuck , , never mind having first hand knowledge, that train station didn’t exist for many years after, the fact, makes it all the more questionable, that she would have so little regard , for using those people, as props..
A real web, of deceit ..
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In my opinion what Oprah thought about her participation in smearing Jackson did not even matter. When you are friends with Geffen you have no choice – you either do as he asks you to or you turn into his foe which is akin to suicide.
All those friendly with Geffen have learned their lessons from what he did to others and that any favor on his side will have to be repaid double one day. And that if you don’t meet his request you will certainly regret it.
Geffen’s association with Bill Clinton, for example, is a perfect illustration of his modus operandi. Clinton refused Geffen’s requests on two occasions only and Geffen didn’t take his revenge on him solely out of convenience for himself – the first time it was when Clinton became President and Geffen put up with the “slight” as Bill could still be useful to him during his term of office. And the second refusal came when Clinton was leaving the White house and was sort of out of reach for his powerful supporter. BUT Geffen took his revenge on Bill’s wife instead.
This LA Times article is a long read but it explains a lot – how and why Geffen forms his relationship with politicians, how he bankrolls media campaigns for (or against) the agenda of his choice, how he advises even presidents on how to handle the media, how big a part Hollywood and its key figures play in influencing public opinion and making the US domestic policies, etc.
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That’s not much money , for the league Oprah was supposed to be in..
Maybe she thought trashing MJ would revive her popularity,I think, it hurt her..
I really think it made Oprah and Gayle, look like servants
I agree, Branca stood in the way of Geffens agenda.
And Branca is the person Wade, seems , to blame for his, humiliation, of being passed over, after his bragfest , about getting the MJ show
So try both have hatred of Branca in common..
I think he was trying to make it seem, that Branca, was stringing him along, with the shows , until , he ran out of time , to file against the estate , although, I could be misunderstanding, why his lawyer keeps talking about him , having a contract ..
Although, if his claim, is Branca , was trying to protect the estate , then , he is , once again admitting , he knew about the estate ..‘ just goes round and round
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He doesn’t, and this is why the storm of criticism and hate which came over John Branca after Michael Jackson’s death should have made anyone with critical thinking wonder why that campaign was so sudden and so intense. I did look into all the arguments of Branca critics but the more I looked the more I realized that for the most part it was slander and that someone was fanning it on purpose (while the majority swallowed the bait, alas).
The reason for all that hate is that Geffen clashed with Branca in 1990 when he was out to grab full power over Michael Jackson’s business, finances and ultimately life, and the old team of Michael’s advisers had to be ousted by all means possible. This is when Frank Dileo had to go and John Branca too.
The LA Times wrote about it in March 1993:
During his most critical moments in life Michael turned to Branca again and again, and it did help, but each time somebody behind the scenes pulled some strings to ruin their cooperation. This tenacity in hate is Geffen’s hallmark feature – if he is at war with someone he will not relent until the person he perceives as a foe is done away with.
Geffen did it to many of his associates, many of whom supported him throughout his life – like Steve Ross, for example.
The above was said in 1993. Since then Geffen has entered politics in order to pursue his own interests in it. And his interests are no less, no more than changing the world.
To do so he is playing people like chess – using them like pieces of different value in the game, turning the tide against his rivals or unwelcome persons who stand in the way, manipulating the media, creating whole movements and terminating them when his goal is fulfilled, and much more.
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The story , above shows how the standards, of “journalism , have Fallen, and either infected, or maybe just Exposed , how it all really works..
I think the estate, should refer, to this article , for their, lack of concern, for facts , because they just fell in love , with the story, and ran with it.
Won awards too…
Maureen Dowd , has always, been a hired gun/pen for, hire ..masquerades, as a serious journalist,
Not surprised, she was n the picture , with , Geffen , and Barbara Walters , , who, set, the stage for he Bashir piece , giving him credibility/cover.
It’s makes sense , that Trump used the NationalEnquirer, , , in a similar way, to smear his enemies ,back, when he was just a shady businessman , and continued to use them, against Clinton during, the campaign..
The Times, is no different , from that rag.
Sees thats, how business is done
Servants /parasites for the powerful
Seems MJ knew that too.
Must have been terrible for him
As far as Geffen, when GayleKing started tweeting, from the yacht , to kick off this attack, and Reed, immediately retweeted, it , and people called It, out, Taj Jackson seemed, imo, to agree, with your conclusion, about this group..
So much went into completely annihilating MJ AND his estate, that I think , branca , also, was meant to have his power cut in the entertainment business..
Don’t think Geffen .likes Branca either
As far as them, sitting around, watching ,these p…, fantasies, played out for 4 hours , on a yacht, I think they probably got more like a summary, from some minions ..
I doubt Oprah watched 4 hours of garbage
She is far too self centered ,
A minion, wouldn’t realize the train station, didn’t exist back then, but Oprah/gayle would have , and they would have had that removed ..’instead Oprah got intense backlash, even on the DAILY SHOW , where she was , put out,,, really pissed , she got called out
We have seen the court papers asking , for open arbitration, in advance of the judges ruling , because the estate knew they have a massive p.r. Campaign , still, to protect , all these people, with intertwined livelihoods and reputations..
Now that is is going to arbitration, I hope it is public
Thank you for all you do, I always read along..
Happy new year ❤
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Maureen Dowd has always hated the Clintons since ’90s, and she effectively led the way in the media’s relentless pursuit of them for everything under the sun. She also was a cheerleader for the War in Iraq.
She so hates the Clintons, she actually stumped for Trump in 2016!
https://www.mediamatters.org/search?search=Maureen+Dowd
https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-times/new-york-times-maureen-dowd-writes-yet-another-anti-clinton-column
So, if anything, Democrats have always known how despicable she is and want her gone. But this is America, baby. And if lead Iraq War cheerleader Judith Miller is incapable of disappearing and still pumping things out, then Dowd is untouchable. This shows the main problem that the “liberal media” is a caricature that doesn’t really exist.
https://www.wisconsingrassroots.net/how_to_debunk_the_liberal_bias_myth
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