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Talking to haters ONCE AGAIN

July 12, 2010

Guys, let me share some views with you on what we have here under the name of Desiree.

1) First let me tell you one thing – I truly marvel at your patience ( I always thought that Michael’s fans were the best).

The person you’ve been battling for hours and even days is a dedicated HATER of Michael Jackson and the point about liking Michael for his music is a complete LIE. When you hate somebody that much you cannot like the music either (same as it is impossible for me to like Marilyn Manson though his music may be interesting).  A person’s creation is inseparable from his personality – especially in such a dramatic case like Michael Jackson’s.

Why this hater poses as a fan here I don’t know – probably to give a message to the world that a new rise in Michael’s popularity (records, documentary film, etc.) does not mean that the public is reconsidering their attitude to him as a human being, so that “you may be a fan and still hate”. However this is only one reason out of a thousand possible.

2) Our hater says in her blog that she is a 20 years smth ‘black’ student majoring in microbiology. She/he does produce the impression of a mature and educated person who even goes as far as referring to Machiavelli. As far as I know Machiavelli was a politician who was known for his ultimate cynicism (among other things he justified wars by the need to control birth rate).

Please correct me if I am wrong – since when have educated people with a scholarly mind started reading the Mirror? I remember the first time I mentioned ‘the Mirror’ as a source of information to some English people, they made me feel somewhat ashamed by laughing “We don’t read papers like that”. And these were not scholars – these were businessmen… But that was long ago though – has it changed since then? Is the Mirror considered now a reputable source of information?

3) Okay, so when it comes to Michael Jackson our intellectual Desiree is no longer choosy and is ready to believe every word of what the Mirror says (it does happen with some haters – anything is good for them as long as it feeds their hatred).

I checked up the story she/he referred to – about that drug which restricts the sex-drive allegedly given to Michael to suppress his ‘desire for young boys’. The story lived for 3 days (August 8-10, 2009) and was reported by numerous media outlets all of which pointed at ‘the Mirror’ as the source of their information.

I do not intend to advertise this article now so here is the gist of it 0nly (the most decent of the Mirror’s comments were selected for the summary with the main facts preserved):  Some source reveals information about Jacko (yes, they use the name even after the man’s death!) that he received a certain drug to suppress his sexual urge. “The drug restricts men’s flow of testosterone-producing brain hormones”

Now if this drug was indeed given to Michael and if Michael knew what he was given and if all this is not a complete fabrication – the drug could be very well used for suppressing Michael’s normal heterosexual sex-urge which was probably rather powerful if some women noticed his erection during the concert (see Teva’s surprising remark to the Welcome to the hater’s site post ). If Michael was sexually very potent this could have been an issue with him – especially in a concert with so many screaming girls around him – and this does not necessarily have anything to do with boys.

The drug is used for a forceful decrease of sex urge in all men who have a history of sexual assaults (raping women, etc.). It is a sort of a chemical castration and considering the danger of it I really wonder if any male would agree to this procedure of his own free will.  Even if the effect is reversible being potent is a sensitive issue for ALL men, so if some doctor did want to do this to a male I strongly suspect the man wouldn’t fall for the idea easily … unless the doctor forced him to… or didn’t tell him what he was doing…

Please remember that all this mental equilibrium is okay only in case all those “ifs” we began with are true – which I now doubt more than ever…

The Mirror goes on with the story:  “Jacko first met the doctor in 2001 when he sought treatment for a broken foot after slipping on stairs at his Neverland ranch”. Well, Dr. Farshchian is a specialist treating arthritis and problems with ‘bones’, so he could deal with Michael’s broken foot as well as his back pain which he also suffered from.

“But unlike other medics who Jacko latched on to, Dr Farshchian, 47, refused to pander to his demands for non-stop prescriptions”…. Now this statement is highly disputable – the TMZ cites a letter attributed to Dr. Farshcian in which he recommends to his patient a powerful narcotic painkiller: “Buprinex is the potent narcotic I told you about last week. It is just like the D but better.  I have everything ready”. “It’s a 5-7 day program that offers you the solution” . The solution to treat Michael’s pain or replace Demerol with? Both variants are possible, while there is no hint at suppressing any sex-urge, as you may have noticed.

“He tried to wean Jacko off Demerol, the narcotic painkiller widely linked to his death six weeks ago”. Let me correct the newspaper again. Firstly, DEMEROL WAS NOT FOUND in Michael Jackson’s system so it seems that Michael managed to beat this habit after all, and secondly, he died of a different medicine  – PROPOFOL  and if the newspaper does not know it, so much the worse for them.

Let us sum up. Now that we are almost through with the article what evidence have we collected on that sex-drug issue? Only what you’ve seen above. And who provided this wealth of information? As usual some unnamed ‘spokesman’ : “Asked if Dr Farshchian’s had prescribed drugs to Jacko to curb his sex drive, his spokesman confirmed:  “Yes, that’s exactly it. He was trying to help Michael.”

The other source is Ian Barkley who is said by the Sunday Mirror to be “Jacko’s official photographer between 2002-06”. He allegedly claimed that” “Dr Farshchian was trying to help Michael. One treatment and concoction led to another (as is usual in any treatment). It was a slow progression to try to help Michael suppress some of his issues.” (which ones?)

And at another point the Mirror hints: “Of Jacko’s sleepovers, where children drank  “Jesus Juice” wine from cola cans, the photographer said: “People in Michael’s circle thought that something inappropriate was going on when they’d all sleep together at Neverland Ranch”

Let us double check these hints with what the CBS news reported on June 2, 2004. The article also refers to Ian Barkley, Jackson’s photographer, adding that he worked for Michael Jackson for most of 2003 (and not for four years between 2002-2006 as the Mirror says).  It quotes Ian Barkley saying about the Arvizos:

Barkley insists Jackson never harmed the teen, and says the Brazil trip was simply a shrewd business decision. The goal was to draw attention away from the post-documentary scandal and refocus the spotlight on Jackson’s forthcoming album launch.”

“There’s no way anyone would try to hold them against their will. There’s no way Michael would allow it,” says Barkley, who worked with Jackson for most of 2003, and still has close relationships with both Schaffel and Wiesner.

“There was no conspiracy to abduct,” Barkley says. “I think the intent of the Brazil trip was actually to distance Michael from the family, temporarily, just so that the relationships were a little bit separated. The family was, from what I understand, they were actually enthused about going to Brazil.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/48hours/main620746.shtml

4) I would have surely been able to find more facts to disprove the Mirror article if I had more time and desire to do it.  But if  every particle of Desiree’s hatred for Michael Jackson is to be checked in the same way there will be nothing else for us to do here but struggle with her hate.

Of course if any of us have spare time for a thrilling discussion like that we can naturally involve ourselves in it. But I see this forceful involvement of Michael’s fans in the issues they would like us to discuss as an intentional move on the part of Michael’s haters. They want to entangle us in a  non-stop discussion of their allegations,  they want to shower us with their lies and expect us to incessantly refute them, and since there will be no end to these lies it means that we will never have time for anything else but being busy with these guys.

Therefore I have the following suggestion to Michael’s supporters – let us make a note of haters’ ideas but let us not remonstrate with them and try to talk them into changing their views. It is impossible to bring the “desirees” over to our side – they are professional haters who are exactly the ones who use the Machiavellian and Svengali methods they are referring to above.

5) Since it is not us, but them who are obsessed, I am very much afraid that Michael’s supporters should prepare themselves for new assaults from haters. It is clear now that this adventure of ours is not going to be plain sailing – same as they didn’t leave Michael alone they won’t leave us alone either – there will be haters masquerading as fans, new blogs and sites set up in fans’ names, real Michael’s fans fooled by fake ones and taken away from Michael’s mainstream, haters publishing secret mjj files and discovering new  ‘witnesses’, so on and so forth…  It seems we should really steel yourselves for a long and difficult journey.

Should we fight them? I don’t think so. Let us leave the haters alone with their hatred and let us never allow ourselves to use the lie and hate weapons they are employing.   Let us move on to clear the environment of the lies they are polluting it with and search for the truth instead.

And let those who will choose between us decide for themselves.

P.S.  Desiree, it wasn’t lost on me that your email starts with the words “jesusjuice”.  So much for your love for Michael…

22 Comments leave one →
  1. christa permalink
    April 17, 2012 7:26 am

    the only thing in the article thats true is that he broke his foot at that time at neverland.. Frank Cascio confirms in his book. did someone really call the office of Dr. Farschian?

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  2. Suzy permalink
    April 20, 2011 5:05 pm

    @ Rockonforever

    Yeah, we discussed it under the Someone to monitor me article:

    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/someone-to-monitor-me/#comment-9023

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  3. April 20, 2011 5:01 pm

    Thought this was funny, remember the great love story between Pfeiffer and Michael that proved MJ was gay? Desiree has screenshots with a guy called Paul Camuso, a friend of Pfeiffer’s, on her blog to prove that this was a real relationship and the fans who were against it were homophobic.

    Klein outted that it was a lie made up by… Paul Camuso on his facebook:

    http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/michael-jackson-manslaughter-trial-273716/index97.html#post7165861

    y Allegations about me teaching Murray to give Propofol ( i never used it without an anestheologist) or Jason being Michael Jackson’s lover are ridiculous. That story was made up by Paul Camuso who will admit to it.

    So much for that gay love story that lasted only 3 weeks of Michael’s life…

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  4. August 9, 2010 8:40 pm

    LMAO @ Francia actually being used as their best evidence! A guy who only confessed to being tickled after being hounded by Sneddon’s people (“tell us to save Macauley!” etc) A guy who even the jurors started laughing in court at.

    But I guess that even demonstrates just how uncredible the other victims were…

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  5. lynande51 permalink
    July 25, 2010 12:10 am

    Did you guys really call there? That’s great if you did, for one thing Dr. Farshchian has many patients and he could be called before the State Medical board. Who ever is in charge of the office is resposible for the security of a patients medical file. There is a law called HIPPA and you can’t even confirm to a family member if a patient is on a hospital via phone.

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  6. john edwards permalink
    July 24, 2010 10:33 pm

    I called dr fashchian office in miami beach, they said the whole story is fabricated and they are going to sue the mirror for it.

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  7. Suzy permalink
    July 18, 2010 6:55 pm

    Thank you for that information, Georget.

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  8. Georget permalink
    July 18, 2010 6:51 pm

    I called dr Farshchian office in MiamiBeach, they said that whole story with the unnamed spokesman is fabricated.
    so once again never believe anything from mirror

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  9. lynande51 permalink
    July 15, 2010 11:03 pm

    I don’t believe this either and I will tell you why: All of these articles are naming the source was Ian Barkley a former Neverland photographer. He was fired shortly after Michaels arrest for the 2005 trial. He says that he was let go because of the Nation of Islam involvement. He is from salt Lake. Most of the journalists like Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth and the Biographers Ian Halperin and Randy Taraborelli have talked about a clandestine source they refer to as “The Mormon”. I wonder could this be him.

    http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/08/09/michael_jackson_prescribed_chemical_cast
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/09/michael-jackson-had-jab-to-curb-sex-urges-for-young-boys-115875-21583054/
    http://au.eonline.com/uberblog/b132610_jacksons_former_photographer_michael.html
    http://www.exposay.com/v/31154/former-personal-photographer-michael-jackson-good-father-but/
    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/mj-was-dating-his-kids-nanny-photographer/96431-8.html?from=rssfeed
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/was-michael-jackson-dating-his-childrens-nanny/485719/
    http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/106758-michael-jacksons-photographer-says-the-star-was-on-drugs/
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Jacko-doctor-prescribed-drug-to-curb-his-desire-for-young-boys/articleshow/4874217.cms
    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Michael+Jackson-27225.html
    http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jacksons-fears-for-childrens-safety_1108597
    http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20090705/17111/michael-jackson-dated-nanny/
    http://johnjohnsaidit.com/michael-jacksons-sex-drive-medicine/
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=128004&page=3
    http://www.ok.co.uk/celebnews/view/12883/Jackson-given-drug-to-curb-sex-drive/

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  10. July 15, 2010 10:21 pm

    I DO NOT believe in any chemical castration of Michael Jackson, I just don’t believe in this story. Michael wants to stop having erections, but keeps a porn collection that would make Hugh Hefner proud? Doesn’t make sense.

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  11. Carl S permalink
    July 13, 2010 10:01 pm

    desiree in all honesty here there is only one reason a person comes onto a website which has been set up for a cause when they do not follow it.Attention,In all honesty you want a reaction from us fans.Despite the evidence on this page you will not change your point of view,you would rather take the words of the media (and its biased version of the truth).One word comes to mind,trolling,If all you have to do with your day is troll then find another outlet,if only for yourself.Trust me im one of many on here who will counter every claim you make.I defend michael on an almost daily basis against haters,who throw every trick they can muster to attempt to disprove me,they do not win.if it is anger you want to get from us you will fail,you only have our pity

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  12. Louise permalink
    July 13, 2010 4:22 pm

    “I understand him being a ‘P’ only means he was sick in the head and needed help. That’s all.” This is an oldy Desiree girllll! Can’t you do better? Why you and your mates do not find new things to say?

    “…one can like Michael’s music and disconnect it with his flaws. Are you really so myopic? I can still like Michael Jackson if he was a ‘P’, or gay, or whatever.” Well, we might be myopic. I am sure several of us has glasses to correct this issue. However I wonder if you are not suffering from a kind of syndrom or something. If I was you, I would go to a doctor. You know seeing people in different forms and shapes !!! Aie aie It’s not good.

    “Lastly, I don’t hate Michael Jackson. He just had a fatal flaw, although I am absolutely open to going back to my former opinion of him being a victim of a scam.” Please DO not bother! As Michael could spare “fans” like you we can too. So do not trouble yourself.
    You know what? I have an excellent suggestion for you and your mates. There are some new celebrities out there. Why you don’t go and fan them?

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  13. Lynette permalink
    July 13, 2010 2:10 am

    My favorite Maureen Orth story was the one that she said Michael paid an African witch doctor to put a voo doo curse on Steven Speilberg ROTFL. Do you suppose that she confirmed this information with the witch doctor?

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  14. Lynette permalink
    July 13, 2010 2:06 am

    David I loved the you tube link thanks.

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  15. July 13, 2010 12:11 am

    Hi All,

    This is what happens when you negotiate with terrorists. Swords cross. It’s a trap, they draw you in and you start to play the game on their terms. How can anyone definitively know what happened in 1993 without the benefit of a trial is beyond me.

    As for the article in the mirror, I read it last year and dismissed it as rubish. For starters if Michael was taking this drug it would show in his toxicology results. Secondly, if Michael Jackson needed to take this drug to control his proclivities then his 2 sons would have been in imminent danger, they seem very well adjusted to me. Thirdly, the drug surpresses the sex drive which would mean Michael’s make out sessions in the back of his car, according to the body guards is a lie. Fourthly Michael was a pack rat, he threw nothing away, this drug if not taken would have been found in his belongings. Fifthly, Desiree say she believes Michael Jackson was gay; therefore, she has to believe Jason Pfeiffer’s passionate and sexual romance with Jackson which is not possible when you are on this drug. Like Paul Barresi said take a half-truth throw in some venom and have a story. Here is a fact, in a few short weeks we will know every single doctor, and/or drug Michael Jackson took/saw.

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  16. Lynette permalink
    July 13, 2010 12:11 am

    OK let’s apply some logis. Dr. Alex farshchian was the doctor that was on the plane from Miami to Santa Barbara when Michael was returning with th eArvizo family. If he had done something to Michael would he be asleep for the whole 4 hour plane ride. If he a mandatory reporter was on the plane and knew that Michael Jackson had urges he couldn’t repress would he not be right beside him? And if he had indeed given Michael the shot of Depo how could Michael have abused Gavin Arvizo in the next 3-4 weeks when the shot is given every 3 months?

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  17. Lynette permalink
    July 12, 2010 11:42 pm

    Thank you for that decision not to debate her I was so tired of her hate I was not going to visit with my friends until she went away. I believe she intended to use our site for a jumping off spot to lure people to her way of thinking because like you got a virus from bnepi I got a tracker from hers. I couldn’t agree with you more though some people will never be swayed. If we just ignore her maybe she will go away. It was a little bit like have a pest in thehouse and you can’t get rid of them until you can an exterminator.

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  18. Carl S permalink
    July 12, 2010 8:48 pm

    Wait a minute,this person is saying that the daily toilet roll uk tabloid known as the mirror as a reliable source of information?hahahahahahhahahahahahhaha!sorry about that but as a uk resident i see the lies of the tabloids day in day out.They will print Anything that will sell papers,no matter how ridiculous the story.But this shows the power that the press holds,that even a person who is studying micro biology can be fooled into believing the blatant lies (and that is all they are in the end)that are constantly being printed as real news.I would seriously recommend this person divulges there information from a more reliable source than the british tabloids.The only thing they are any good for is a game of spot the one true story they print each week

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  19. Emma permalink
    July 12, 2010 8:34 pm

    And times haven’t changed. The Mirror and The Sun are tabloid trash. To give an example; a couple of days after Michael died the headline appeared in The Mirror ” We find Jacko’s time machine”. They were so desperate to put him on the front of the paper in any way they recycled a story from the eighties (the hyperbaric chamber that he was photographed in) that MICHAEL set up as a prank on the media in the first place! But then what do you expect from papers who promote hate to MJ as a supposed paedophile and at the same time count down until someone turns 16 so that they can show their breasts on page 3?

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  20. July 12, 2010 7:48 pm

    David, “debating” this person is useless. Let her/him say everything she/he has. It seems that we don’t need to study the internet for all haters’ versions now – the hater has come to our home and is making here a scene throwing a lot of garbage around and terribly trying the patience of the hosts.

    However if he/she creates too much havoc we will probably have to ask her/him to leave these hospitable premises.

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  21. David permalink
    July 12, 2010 6:18 pm

    You’re right, Helena, it’s best for us to simply monitor her blog and refute any info that she posts claiming that MJ was guilty. Trying to “debate” her in the comments section is inefficient and counter-productive!

    Personally, when she starts defending “All That Glitters” and “Michael Jackson Was My Lover”, then I’ll taker her seriously as an MJ hater. Because if you truly believe that MJ molested Jordie Chandler, then you have to believe EVERYTHING written in those two books word for word! After all, both of those books claim to accurately portray what happened in 1993, so if you’re an MJ hater but can’t defend those books, then you don’t have any credibility to begin with! How can you say you believe the Chandlers’ story, if you don’t even know what their story is?

    Think about this: have you EVER heard of Maureen Orth, Diane Dimond, Martin Bashir, or any other hater actually using those books as “proof” of MJ’s guilt? Of course not!!! Those books are garbage and do more to prove MJ’s innocence than anything! In a way, I’m glad those books were released because they show Evan Chandler’s true character, or lack thereof!! (Since we all know that he was the ghostwriter for both of them.)

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