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“PORN” found in Michael Jackson’s home

July 13, 2010

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Our latest HATER visiting here raised the issue of “porn” found at Michael Jackson’s home. She claims that “Michael Jackson was not a heterosexual. His porn collection proves absolutely nothing outside the fact he was a desperately tortured man who could not at all relate to real women. Also, he had numerous books in which the subject was nude men. One book even was a photographic study of homosexuality; very explicit and it’s content shows it was for erotic purposes. Also, the photo book that was a romantic documentation of two NUDE mens love. What straight man has that? Wake up!”

Our DAVID EDWARDS has honored her with a reply which I fully support: “Regarding the pornography, the only porn found was LEGAL, ADULT, HETEROSEXUAL porn! There were two books that contained children, but it was not pornographic at all! They are legally available on Amazon and other booksellers! The following is from the “Reflections On The Dance” website:

The first, called The Boy: A Photographic Essay”, was an art book depicting photos taken in 1963 during the shooting of the movie Lord of the Flies: http://lordoftheflies.org/img/kent.htm

Kent Fletcher playing PERCIVAL in the movie Lord of Flies

A second book, “Boys Will Be Boys”, contained the inscription: “To Michael: From your fan, Rhonda. Love XXXOOO ♥ Rhonda – 1983, Chicago.” There was no evidence that Michael had ever opened this book.

It is significant to mention that the mere possession of child pornography is a federal crime. Many states also have criminal statutes for the possession and distribution of child pornography. If the books had been pornographic in nature or substance, prosecution would have been inevitable.

The heterosexual porn that was found was dated from 1991 to 2003. Now, when weighing the evidence, you have 12 years of adult porn compared to 2 individual art books that were both confiscated in 1993. No additional art books were found in 2003, which obviously means that MJ didn’t buy or accept any more of those books from fans. Based on that, what do you think MJ’s sexual orientation was?”

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I also decided to participate in this discussion and make my own contribution to the sensitive “porn issue”. For a start I looked up THE LIST OF WHAT WAS FOUND AT NEVERLAND sometime in 2003 (which evidently included some old pieces from the 1993 case): http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet.pdf

The list is 18 pages long and I’ve been able to find information on the main evidence only but have nevertheless decided to post the interim results to show you THE WORST of what was found among the tens of thousands books in Michael Jackson’s library.

The first item is UNDERWORLD by author Kelly Klein which is probably the most ‘damning’ piece of all. The police say about it, “The book contained numerous photographs of partially and/of fully unclothed men, women and children.The majority of the pictures within this book  are of people who were wearing only underwear”.

See what the Amazon customers say about it:

  • Very interesting and capivating look at underwear, and body. Photographs taken by old masters of photography,new masters,and amatuer photographers make underworld complete. This book is as safe as you can get to another person in their underwear or lack of without the risks we face,today. Very sexy, innocent, and liberating! Bravo,Kelly…
  • A lovely book, safe on the most conservative coffee table and full of moments that generate emotions. Underworld is one of the collections of classic photography. Underworld touches me at a certain deep level and I only usually realize after I’ve paused long enough to do my occasional casual flick through it. Underworld takes my emotions back in time. Underworld obviously so well captures the sense of history that I find myself re-living being a child in the `60s and `70s flicking through the magazines in the newsagent of a small remote town. I don’t just remember those moments but for some moments I am there again. I see the images of the lifestyles that seemed so surreal to the bright starry eyes of my innocence in the photographic styles represented, possibly taken by some of the same photographers.
  • Kelly Klein, Underworld is a very nice book, in which you can see pictures taken by the world’s most renowned photographers.

The next item is ROOM TO PLAY by author Simen Johan. The police: “This book contained numerous photographs of children some of which appeared to be altered such as “morphing” a child’s face onto the body of an older person..

There is only one customer review here the essence of which I didn’t understand much (but we have a picture as an additional bonus instead):

Haunting, cinematic & wonderful. Why he hasn’t made the apparent splash loretta lux has had is beyond me. Whole worlds of mystery and intrigue are created here. These are like Crewdson children but with power.”

The next item is DREW AND JIMMY by John Patrick Salisbury. The police (you can’t imagine how boring this police review of evidence is): ..“Two Caucasian male juveniles that appeared in their early to mid-teens…. primarily clothed with occasional photographs of them wearing swim-trunk type of clothing”.

The customers say:

  • Visually pleasing as well as heart felt sicerity. I came across this book on the recommendation of the author’s mother. She was my grade school art teacher and mother of a long time classmate-Burton. I had not seen her since Burton’s funeral, but when she mentioned Patrick’s book I couldn’t resist. I had been back in Walnut Grove for a weekend visit for a girlfriend’s wedding. I had left for college a few years before and kept going. My family was not as deep rooted there as the Salisbury’s were, but I grew up there and those roots run just as deep. Whenever school or life was getting stressful, the Delta was the first place I’d run to. It was a truly wonderful place to grow up, and the book depicts the eviroment beautifully. When I saw the pictures of the glass-like water, it made me want to be behind a ski boat once more. I knew Burton well, but Patrick was always the quiet older brother. I did know that they were total opposites personality wise. Burton was always the daredevil; class clown, as well as very gifted artistically like his mother and now as I see, Patrick also. My earliest memory of Burton I have is: him standing on a huge round table in our kindergarten classroom, which he then fell off of and cracked his head open for a few stitches. We grew apart after graduation, but he was part of many good memories I had while growing up in Walnut Grove…including one of my first crushes. I think about him often, though my life is far away from where I knew him last, and I miss him. Thank you Patrick for a little more closure.
  • Beautiful and thoughtful. Salisbury has created a wonderful jounal of growth and sensitivity. He has pulled at his heart to create this cronology of youth to adulthood. A somber passing, it would seem, for him.
  • The best Christmas present ever. Through the medium of photography you watch the development of the personalities of two young men in a more personal and detailed way than words could ever express. Drew & Jimmy is a journey from adolescence to manhood for both the boys and the reader made all the more personal by the poignant story of the author and his brother. The growth and development of the author are also evident in the beautifully cropped works of art that make up this extraordinary book. I received this book for Christmas and it is one of my treasures.

Now at last we are coming to something worthy of attention judging by the title of the book: THE FOURTH SEX, ADOLESCENT EXTREMES. The police are naturally playing the same old tune: ” “The vast majority of the pictures were of teenagers and/or young adults. Some of the pictures depicted individuals wearing no clothing, or in a state of partial dress. The theme of the book seemed to be adolescents and counter culture”.

There is only one customer’s review here but the picture speaks volumes both about the book and the wild ways adolescence is usually all about:

  • “Totally a good book to buy” – Odd but awesome book! an expressionistic piece of art. a book filled with a colaboration of photographs that show the feeling of being an adolesent and shows real life in action. a fun book to look at with friends. also in this book is diary entries from different people and old magazine covers. an allover nifty buy. i promise youll love it!”

The Amason.com however describes the book as a top serious study:

  • “If we consider the male, female and homosexual as the first, second and third sex, the fourth sex might be that of adolescents. But adolescence is above all a sexually undefined state. Teenagers are not little boys or little girls, and they are not yet men or women. They are part of a parallel, fluid universe in a state of becoming. They belong decisively to the present, but in symbolic terms they are the seeds of the future. Adolescence is also a state of mind, an existential condition with a powerful impact on lifestyles and trends. Teenagers are omnivorous, tireless consumers, careless but at times attentive, easily influenced but autonomous. Off balance between the present and the future, they seem overexcited and at the same time strangely passive. They often give form to their world and their culture in an aggressive manner, but at the same time they are forced to come to grips with the labels, judgments and formulae of adults. Their behaviour patterns are constantly monitored because they represent a decisive segment of the strategy of consumption. This book is constructed with images of fashion, art, music, cinema and the news, accompanied by an anthology of writings that mixes poetry, literature, journalism and research, highlighting the increasing importance of the teenage tribe in a society such as ours, where the inadequacy of sexual and demographic identities is reflected in a violent, contradictory way in the social changes in progress.”

The next item is CRONOS by Chantal Grande and other authors. The police (why are they so tedious and uninventive?) say about it: “The book appeared to be a compilation of numerous photographs depicting men, women and children of both sexes. The majority of the photographs depicted the subjects completely unclothed, including the male and female children… This type of material may be used as part of a “grooming process” facilitating the molestation of intended victims”

The picture is somewhat contradictory to the ‘grooming’ issue declared.  The customer gives a clearer idea as to what the book is really about:

“Photos stop time to show life’s motion”: “Catalan photographer Pere Formiguera’s repeated photographs of family and friends, many nude, chronicle his subjects in the same pose and setting over ten years-- showing, variously, the blooms of pubescence, adulthood, and the gentler transformations of middle and old age. Birth, puberty, aging, and death are each and together fundamentally sexual: single-celled asexual creatures just divide, never growing, coming of age, declining, or really dying. Being sexual we are “clocks of meat,” as poet Allen Ginsberg said famously. Like a strobe, Formiguera’s magnificent photos stop the clock precisely to show life’s motion”.

To save up your and my time on this unbearably wearisome police routine let me group the next three items together:

- the book “SCENES DINTERIEUR”, consisting of a compilation of photographs “of nude and/or semi-nude women, in sexually explicit poses”.

-  the book “CAMP COVE PHOTOS SYDNEY MEN”  which is a compilation of photographs of “naked and semi-naked men… the photographs were not sexually explicit in nature”

-  the third book “DRESSUP: PLAYACTS AND FANTASIES OF CHILDHOOD” being a compilation of “photographs that appeared to depict either pre-teen or early teen age individuals. Some of the pictured children were nude or fully-nude… none of the pictures were sexually explicit in nature”.

Well, there are several SCENES DINTERIEUR” on sale at Amazon.com – the worst being of women dressed in the 19th century clothes in some explicit postures and shot by French photographer Alexandre Dupouy. Very French and very naughty I would say, if this is the book the police are talking about (see more if you like). No customer reviews here.

- The second book “THE CAMP COVE: PHOTOS OF SYDNEY MEN” is by Rod McRae. The author turns out to be (you’ll never guess) a children’s  book illustrator. The customer says about the book:

“Rod McRae is a children’s book illustrator and gay art photographer who lives in Sydney, Australia. “Camp Cove” is a collection of his photographic efforts — 60 black-and-white, sepia-tinted, and color photographs of men he found in and around Sydney. Some of the images are Polaroid transfers created for a show in 1992, but others are hand-tinted images created specifically for this book. McRae’s technical skills cannot be faulted in the slightest. His composition is especially interesting. The first image in the book shows a naked man from the neck down, standing between two stuffed kangaroos. The image is fascinating – it is this unique “Sydney sensibility” that McRae says he aims to capture in his work.

McRae comes closest to achieving his goals in the sepia prints. The color photos also seem more thematic (focusing on wings, flight, and angels), but less interesting because the thematic nature of them seems to overwhelm the models rather than accentuate their innate “Sydney-ness.” Similarly, his outdoor photographs are not nearly as successful as his studio images. Here, the models are more of an afterthought. In some images the models lay on rocks as if “scattered” like stones. In others, the printing process merges the shape of the men’s bodies with the shape of the rocks. One is left with the sense that his focus seems to be on Sydney-ness, rather than on the men of Sydney. Often, the models seem lost, covered up, and obscured by the other elements of the photos. As art this works (and doesn’t”)”.

INTERESTING point about those wings, angels and flight, isn’t it?  So now we know where Michael took fresh ideas for some of his videos or concerts – for example, those angelic wings in “You are not alone” video or the flying angel coming on stage in “Will you be there”, don’t we?

- The third book titled “DRESSUP: PLAYACTS AND FANTASIES OF CHILDHOOD” hasn’t been found at Amazon.com but the rest of books listed in the “dress-up” category include innocent items like: “Fairy Fashion Dress-up book”, “My dress-up party” and so on. I wouldn’t worry much here if I were you – the “evidence” we have here seems to be a manual for children’s dressup parties where Michael’s own children would most probably take part too.

I am dying of boredom by now, but here is our next item: THE ART OF DAVE NESTLER -WICKED INTENTIONS. The title is promising to say the very least, so probably here we’ll be more lucky … The police: “the book appears to be a compilation of drawings of clothed and semi-clothed women”

The customers are more impressed by the book:

  • Original and flawless. Wow. I don’t even know where to begin because there are just so many elements to this book that I just love.

I met Dave Nestler at the Glamourcon in L.A. and looked at his art up close and personal with my own eyes and I had a long talk with him about his art and his book. And I saw with my OWN EYES the originals to these prints in this book, so I KNOW it hasn’t all been photoshopped and airbrushed for the sake of mass audience.

  • He prides himself in doing the ENTIRE book in acrylic. That’s right. Acrylic. No watercolor. No airbrushing. No photoshopping. No oil. Just acrylic. That itself is a master achievement because you RARELY find ANY artist who does erotic nude pinups with acrylic…That being said, is a HUGE achievement for ANY artist. But aside from that, there are many other reasons I like this book and one of the main ones being that half of the photos are of women in poses where they are surrounded by (what appears to be) a form of shiny duct tape or bluish leather ribbon. He has taken a form of bondage and designed it to enwrap the flesh of beautiful sexy women in a way where it defies any bondage you’ve seen before. He captures the beauty and sensuality of the skin, while putting such DETAIL into the ribbon (and again, he did NOT use the shortcut of airbrushing) that you can see every highlight and detail, you can see the leather as though it is shining right at you.
  • The first half of the book – pages 1-27 are all pictures of that (with different sexy and original pictures involving light ribbon bondage). The second half of the book – pages 28-48 are completely different and are not bondage at all and vary from a sexily dressed angel with wings and a halo, a bikini wearing woman in a fireman’s hat with water hose, a sexy female vampire, a dominatrix straddling a chair with a leather whip, a woman giving a car a carwash while straddling the hood (and the DETAIL of the car’s chrome grill will leave you BREATHLESS!), a woman in a lake surrounded by waterfalls holding a frog, a sexy woman in a safari freaked out by a snake, a sexy semi-nude brunette dressed in army camouflage, the list goes on.
  • I really cannot stress to you how valuable I think his work is. The fact that each strand of hair is done in acrylic is mind-blowing to me. If I were to compare it to something else, it’s like giving someone toothpicks and asking them to build a house out of it. He has done that. I wish I could give this 6 stars, he is fascinating!
  • Great book from a great artist. Wicked Intentions is one of the few books I own by Dave Nester and is a must for the library any pin-up art collector or tattoo artist or enthusiast of the female form. His treatment and painting style acknowledges the dignity of the subject matter while creating a seductive hunger that would make Hugh Hefner proud.
  • With every bit of Nestler’s images created meticulously by hand with layered acrylic washes and a small brush, Dave gives credo to traditional craftsmanship that most who celebrate the term “old school” cannot relate to. Out of all his books, Wicked Intentions is my personal favorite. This is a must-have for any fan of pin-up art!

I really hope this is our last: THE GYNOIDS GENETICALLY MANIPULATED by Hajime Sorayama. The police singled this book as the worst evidence of all: “..The Gynoids” appeared to have a fetish (bondage, sadomasochism, piercings, beastiality etc.) related theme”.

The customer says to that:

“This is a fantastic book which I’ve owned for along time now. It is one of the first books I obtained while starting out on the road of the Fantasy Art genre. Sorayama is a master of the Airbrush methods. His paintings are of an adult nature depicting women in bondage, characters restrained and of course, lifelike beautiful women. Sometimes I have to remind myself that I am NOT looking at a photo because the art is so lifelike”.

There are some other items on our list of ‘evidence’ including a picture of Macauley Culkin taken from a scene from one of the Home Alone movies with Doo Doo Head written on it (by the way the name was coined by Culkin himself), some drawings by Prince and Paris, a baby book named Spiel Mit Mir with a note stating “Shay from Israel”, and another of those terrible books called NAKED AS A JAY BIRD by Dian Hanson which was described by the police as “depicting sexually explicit activities”.

The customer says about it: The carefree, nude hippies of the 60s, too much fun. “Feeling a little retro? Old enough to remember the “Summer of Love”? Want to know how a small segment of the southern California population spent 1967? They all got naked in nudist camps, letting down ALL their long hair, boys and girls alike. Sure enough someone thought of the idea of publishing periodicals based on this “hippy naturalism”. Thus the JAYBIRD line of publications was born. This book celebrates the “models” and the all-natural and sometimes unusual settings. It is loaded with photographs, most in wonderful color. Sure there are some recognizable models in here, but the bulk are somewhat silly looking late teen/early twenties kids who got naked in the sun with each other, were given props and told to have a good time while a shutterbug went about his merry way. Sure it is groovy to look back on this time of innocence and that is what gives this book its charm. The presentation is very colorful and reminds one of “Laugh-In” backgrounds and decorations. Yet I cannot help but wonder what these sunshine worshippers are doing now…”

The police officer repeats after EACH entry in his review:

NONE OF THE BOOKS AND MAGAZINES CONTAINED PICTURES THAT DEPICTED ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

He concludes the review with the following words: Due to time constraints I was unable to complete reviewing the remaining items I checked out of evidence.

Let me conclude in the same way: Due to time constraints I am also unable to give comments on the above ‘evidence’. Please do it yourselves  – adding to the above the complete NOTHING found on Michael’s ten computers by the FBI in the same year of 2003.

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SUPPLEMENT:

Here is an excerpt from Michael Jackson’s interview with Diane Sawyer (May 18, 1995) where he speaks on how various things often find a way into his home (in addition to the practice of numerous guests raking through his closet which he even encouraged, according to Macauley Culkin’s testimony):

Michael: The idea, it just isn’t fair… what they put me through. ’Cause there wasn’t one piece of information that says I did that. And anyway, they turned my room upside-down, went through all my books, all my videotapes, all my private things, and they found nothing, nothing, nothing that could say Michael Jackson did this. Nothing! …

Diane Sawyer: But let me ask you a couple of questions…

Michael: … to this day, nothing. Still, nothing…

Diane Sawyer: Let me ask you…

Michael: … nothing, nothing, nothing…

Diane Sawyer: Nothing. We got nothing. As you may or may not know, we have called everyone we could call, we have checked everything we can check, we have gone and tried to see if what we heard before is in fact the case… I want to ask you about two things. These reports that we read over and over again, that in your room they found photographs of young boys…

Michael: Not of young boys, of children, all kinds of girls and… everything.

Diane Sawyer: And that they found photographs… books, of young boys who were undressed.

Michael: Noooo.

Diane Sawyer: It didn’t happen?

Michael: No. Not that I know of, unless people sent me things that I haven’t opened. People send, people know my love for children, so they send me books from all over the world. From South America, from Germany, from Italy, from Sweden, I…

Diane Sawyer: So people say, that they found those things, that there’s an indication, let them come forward. Let them produce them, right?

Michael: Yeah, because I get all… I get all kinds… you wouldn’t believe the amounts of mail that I get. If you say to somebody, you know, if I let the fans know that I love Charlie Chaplin, I’ll be swarmed in Charlie Chaplin paraphanalia.

Diane Sawyer: What about…

Michael: If I say I love children, which I do, they swarm me with everything pertaining to kids….”

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  1. September 2, 2014 6:15 pm

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  2. lynande51 permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:04 pm

    Paul, why would someone of your stature come to this blog and nitpick at these articles? I’m sorry the value of your information has decreased but that’s what happens when you sell information. It has it’s value when it does and then later new information might surface that makes yours obsolete. Personally, I like to look at the bright side. You were able to sell it a couple of times so you still saw that profit and had that money to spend. Perhaps you have information on a different celebrity that is still marketable.

  3. Mariam permalink
    June 7, 2014 9:41 pm

    MJ has that (pain) feeling since he was himself a chilled, he wrote and song a song about children:

    http://t.co/HqDEBd27GF

    Thank you and well explained Helena & Rodrigo, that is a typical example of how MJ was ”miss understood” all his life but thank God to you guys and MJ’s true fans because of them MJ still has a voice

  4. June 7, 2014 1:31 pm

    You got some nerve characterizing those images in such an untruthful manner. What a sham! – Paul Barresi

    Paul Barresi (or whoever you are), I don’t have access to the book and was quoting from those who did. Now I have found a different description of the book which is in line with what you are saying:

    Room to Play

    Simen Johan creates surreal and narrative tableaux of corrupted youth. His images of children and adolescents are constructed by digitally manipulating and combining parts of faces and bodies belonging to people of various ethnicities, ages, and genders. His fictional identities are depicted in equally fabricated scenarios that are replete with references to both the art historical tradition and Freudian sexuality. The poster-perfect finish of his prints belies the disturbing nature of their content; a pubescent girl hula hoops against an idyllic seaside backdrop, as the hoop leaves bruises on her waist; an androgynous teenager cradles the head of a dead sheep on which flies are beginning to land.

    Some pictures by Simen Johan that I managed to find:

    From these pictures and what you and others are telling me it is obvious that irrespective of what the author wanted to say by his book, for Michael it was a symbol of the idea that in the place of innocent “room to play” kids often have suffering, trauma and offense inflicted by adults who most often don’t even realize what they are doing.

    They ignore and neglect their children. They may occasionally give them presents but have total disrespect for their feelings. They “discipline” and abuse them the way Michael was disciplined and abused, and as a result kids get what they get – psychological complexes for the rest of their lives, fears, self-hate, the habit to obey in combination with suppressed violent feelings which flare up as acts of aggression against others or themselves, as well as hopelessness and depression, the desire to run away or self-inflict injuries or commit suicide, and much-much more.

    The book is echoing Michael’s own complexes developed as a result of many years of humiliation and beatings sustained from Joe. Seeing that other children feel the same and he was not alone in his sufferings could at least reassure him that his own problems were not unique but are quite common for physically abused children. Realizing that you are not alone can even have a therapeutic effect.

    The book could also help him understand some of his siblings. Kids who were severely abused rarely grow up into compassionate adults with delicate feelings. These children turn into small aggressive animals who learn to deal with problems through similar harsh, coarse and cruel methods – even if they love someone.

    Michael fortunately avoided this fate, but his brother Randy (for example) didn’t. His flares of aggression and lack of subtlety is also the product of Joe Jackson’s “disciplining”. Randy takes it out on others while Michael took it out on himself. He even said something to that effect about his and his brothers’ reaction to the abuse. All this was the reason why he was so shy, so unsure and so dissatisfied with himself. This is also where his perfectionism is stemming. All of it goes back to the glorious Joe.

    Though in respect of several other books I am sure that they were presented to him, in this case I am inclined to think that Michael selected the book himself. It falls very well with his own feelings and childhood experience. And these pictures surely made him sympathize with kids and stand up for their protection even more.

  5. Rodrigo permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:57 am

    Well, it wasn’t Helena that said that the book, Paul. It was a customer on Amazon, if you didn’t know already.
    I’ve had a look at those images myself, and I do agree with you – the images are pretty disturbing. But that’s the whole point. It’s a representation of the suffering and corruption of chidhood. Childhood gone wrong. That meant something to Michael. I’m not going to say I like the book either, but I see it’s point that it created.

  6. June 7, 2014 10:14 am

    You characterize one of the disturbing books seized by authorities in Jacko’s home entitled ‘Room To Play’ as haunting, cinematic and wonderful. Why don’t you show the photos of the little girl strangling herself or the child with a hood over her head who just finished beating an animal to a bloody pulp with a tire iron? If you are going to make such a stupid attempt to defend Jacko, at least give everybody the truth. Even for me, I found the exhibits of images in other books of children, beat up, bloodied and tormented– in various stages of pain, suffering, abuse and misery extremely sadistic, sick and disturbing. You got some nerve characterizing those images in such an untruthful manner. What a sham! Paul Barresi

  7. September 12, 2013 10:55 pm

    I hate to hear this.
    What do they care if Michael Jackson had art books “porn” in his home?
    The Vatican since the Medieval Era is FULL of PORNOGRAPHIC ART made by Miguel Angel (who was gay), they are full of NAKED CUPIDS (which are CHILDREN) and they even have him NAKED GOD (of ass) and they have a string of priests rapists and cardinals themselves (highest ecclesiastical rank) have a history of inappropriate behavior, and yet people are going to the Vatican museums to see religious homosexual pornography FOR ADMIRE them and pray for the princes of the Catholic Church.

    And now they see that MJ had a couple of porno books and get scared?
    Hypocrites!
    And if he liked it, do they care?

    He probably had a very unusual preference but came hand in hand with a unique talent much more rare to find.

  8. February 15, 2013 1:22 am

    “There were other dates that also showed porn had been accessed on MJ’s computers, but none on the dates around the Arvizo timelines, and all of it was heterosexual”

    There is one thing I need to say. When some Michael’s guests were having parties in Neverland Michael often tried to stay away from them, so there is no way to know what these people were doing in his absence and what kind of porn they could be watching. Vam Vallin is writing that sometimes MJ would come to his home and stay the whole day while Van Valin went to his work. I’ve retyped some pieces:

    Michael went in, picked up a magazine off the coffee table and sat down alone in the living room in what would become his favorite spot. … I went in and woke my wife and told her that Michael was out in the living room. She said, “Tell him I’ll be right out” which I did, told him goodbye, and left for work. … My wife called me at noon to say that Michael was still there. The kids had awakened to find him in the living room and she had decided to let them stay home from school to play and keep him company. She said they were all watching cartoons and eating pizza. Michael had sent Manuel (driver) out to get lunch and snacks. When I got home, at about six o’clock, his rather nondescript blue van was still parked outside the fence. Manuel was in the front seat reading a gook, patiently waiting for Michael’s next instructions.

    …Inside the house, Michael and my daughter Blanca were sitting on the floor playing Monopoly. The couch cushions were scattered all around the room. Pizza boxes were here and there and a few empty bottles of Martinelli’s apple juice were on the coffee table. Along with these were remnants of other board games that had been half played and abandoned for other games that must have seemed more interesting at the time. Cartoons were still playing on the TV. When I entered the living room, Michael looked up with a smile and said, “Hi Barney. How was your day?” I told him “Good thanks. How was yours?” He replied, “The best!”

    When I asked Michel why he would abandon his ranch for our small house in Ballard, on any given visit, he always gave basically the same reason: “I have company up at the ranch and I’m not really up to spending time with them. I know they’ll be well cared for by my staff and they’re free to use the ranch as they would their own home. I just like spending time here”.

    Van Valin got acquainted with Michael Jackson in October 2001 and was friends with him for 5 years until he left for Bahrein. The Arvizos’s stays in Neverland fall into this period, though we cannot be sure that Michael was speaking of this family in particular.

  9. February 15, 2013 12:23 am

    “Marcel Jackson wasn’t Levon’s nickname, it was Elijah’s. Levon’s nickname is Lee.”

    Lacienegasmiles, I am amazed by how many details you know. And when I read all these and other small details I cannot help thinking that real Michael and his life are exceptionally interesting to know. On occasions his life is a real thriller – his love life for sure. And imagine how much interest the media could generate for themselves if they reported the truth about Michael and not lies!

    The fact that they did not use (and are not using) this opportunity is what surprises me most. They preferred to invent some flat stories about him instead of just reporting the truth which is much more colorful than anything they ever invented about him.

  10. February 14, 2013 11:41 pm

    the fact was that is was cached on November 17th,2003 and was accessed under the name of Marcel Jackson. That was another name that Levon Jackson used which is how we know that they were there the night before the raid. I believe Joana Thomae ( spelling?) was there as well because they had a party which explains why everybody was nervous when 70+ police officers as well as Tom Sneddon himself showed up.In Norway and many other countries in Europe the drinking age is 18 or even 16 years old. Here in the US it is 21 years of age which is where Sneddon got the idea that MIchael let “kids” drink.

    I thought Joanna and other fans were in NL around mid-late February or early March. Many of these fans had met the Arvizo kids. One of the women from that movie Castaway was also on MJ’s defense list, even though they hadn’t done any shooting in NL, so I wondered why she’d been added.

    Marcel Jackson wasn’t Levon’s nickname, it was Elijah’s. Levon’s nickname is Lee.

    There were other dates that also showed porn had been accessed on MJ’s computers, but none on the dates around the Arvizo timelines, and all of it was heterosexual. Though the Arvizo kids couldn’t seem to decide who’s computer this porn had been on – MJ’s, their own laptop, or even I think Frank’s. They also claim Frank was showing them this porn too, Frank was heavily involved in all of these things according to the Arvizo’s, makes it odd that the police has had zero interest in him.

  11. lynande51 permalink
    February 14, 2013 8:37 am

    They did find some heterosexual porn on the computers that Sneddon wanted to use but the fact was that is was cached on November 17th,2003 and was accessed under the name of Marcel Jackson. That was another name that Levon Jackson used which is how we know that they were there the night before the raid. I believe Joana Thomae ( spelling?) was there as well because they had a party which explains why everybody was nervous when 70+ police officers as well as Tom Sneddon himself showed up.In Norway and many other countries in Europe the drinking age is 18 or even 16 years old. Here in the US it is 21 years of age which is where Sneddon got the idea that MIchael let “kids” drink.

  12. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 14, 2013 2:20 am

    @Helena

    You can share it with me if you wan’t I am not bothered by it it’s just that i like to know every detail even small ones about the cases there good to know about especially when tackling a hater.

  13. February 14, 2013 12:42 am

    I’d imagine most guys would become nervous when asked about pornography. He was about 18/19 then, wasn’t he? That’s normal. Try and randomly ask anyone you know about porn without any reasons, who doesn’t get a bit weird when asked about it? I’m a full grown woman and if the police asked me about porn I’d act weird too LOL It’s stupid.

  14. Rodrigo permalink
    February 13, 2013 8:35 am

    I had no idea Omer was there with his friends. Haters fail to mention that…just that he was uncomfortable when the porn was mentioned. So it seems clear that Omer was a snooper too while at Neverland.

    And as mentioned, look at other so called “victims” reactions about the adult material – they had no idea Michael was into that, because they never ever saw anything about him during their times at Neverland or anything related to the idea that Michael was “sexual in manner” in anyway. Omer was nervous because he knew what Michael was being accused off and had knowledge of it from his snooping…and obviously if he said he had viewed porn at Neverland on his own, he probably worried how the prosecution and media would spin it.

  15. February 12, 2013 7:41 pm

    I actually mentioned possible links to adult sites on MJ’s computers because in articles about the 19 year old Omer Bhatti and his two Norwegian friends there was some talk that he “looked nervous” at mentioning the word “porn”.

    Well, even without the media puritan innuendoes I am more than sure that while those three guys were in Neverland for four weeks they did look those sites on Michael’s computers, and therefore let Michael down on a massive scale.

    Actually I really don’t understand why everyone looks so shocked and pretends that all this is something out of the way and totally unheard of. If we are to listen to some people one will imagine that their 19 year old sons see the first naked girl only when they get married.

    It is all this pretence which is outrageous indeed (and hilarous too).

    P.S. Here is an example.

    “Now he’s an aspiring rapper who goes by the stage name O-Bee.

    He also has remained a staunch defender of Jackson. Bhatti was living at Neverland when Los Angeles police raided the estate in 2003 looking for evidence of child molestation.

    An investigator later testified before a grand jury that Bhatti became nervous when he was asked about pornography.

    He “seemed to have trouble forming a sentence. It was almost like a stutter,” the investigator, Jeffrey Ellis, said on the stand.

    Ellis testified that when he questioned Bhatti about the consumption of wine and alcohol, referred to as “Jesus Juice,” he saw “that same type of uneasiness in him that I noticed when I started talking to him about pornography.”

    Last year, Bhatti recalled the day police swooped in.

    “It was totally sick. It was the whole squad from Santa Barbara Police Department,” he told a reporter. “We didn’t know why they were there. Michael was not at home.” Ultimately Bhatti appeared only on the defense’s list of prospective witnesses.”

    http://www.apsense.com/article/131213.html

    The article says that Omer Bhatti was even living in Neverland in 2003. So he surely had access to all rooms. And of course they were browsing the net for porn and of course they were drinking wine in Michael’s absence. But they were 19 years old, for God’s sake! And Michael must have covered up for these three guys when he returned from Las Vegas and didn’t shift any blame on any of them.

    Here are some pictures of Omer Bhatti with some friends of his:

  16. February 12, 2013 7:04 pm

    “Did they find links to porn sites on MJ’s computer?” -Truth Prevail

    Frankly, I simply don’t remember. But assume that there were some links to adult sites. Just because there were heterosexual magazines like Playboy, etc. (in that suitcase). I am talking of usual stuff – something like those sites that intrude into your computer when you just want to see some news. It exasperates me. Or does it happen only to my computer?

    The only thing which I really remember is that there was nothing even remotely connected with children. The only site connected with children was an adoption site.

    All the rest doesn’t even bother me. But I can check it up if you really want it (and it bothers you).

  17. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 12, 2013 6:42 pm

    @Helena

    “about and probably links to some porn sites found on computers.”

    Did they find links to porn sites on MJ’s computer?

  18. February 12, 2013 11:30 am

    “There is proof that things were planted…if not by the police at the raid, then who at Neverland before it?” – Rodrigo

    There might be another explanation for those magazines scattered there (if they were scattered). While Michael was away his old friend Omer Bhatti who was at least 19 at the time was staying in Neverland with his two Norwegian friends. The idea was that they would stay for a week only, but in reality they stayed for 4 weeks. The friends should have been the same age as Omer Bhatti – 19 or so. Michael was sponsoring that trip.

    Omer and his family were so close to Michael that I would not be surprised that he had access to all premises in Neverland. His mother was (or used to be) a nanny of MJ’s children – this is how close they were to him! And Michael’s room was not actually a bedroom – it was the part of the house where all fun was centered. So we cannot rule out that they were hanging out exactly in Michael’s quarters, at least occasionally.

    It would be a great attraction for guests to be able to hang out in the room of the King of pop.

    This will explain why some magazines could be lying about there – these young men could have brought them with them, and later the magazines were attributed to MJ. This will explain why the police “seized” some wine bottles there too (what was the point of “seizing” wine bottles from the wine-cellar? of course they “seized” them in MJ’s room). And this will equally explain some “semen stains” which were found on MJ’s mattress which is something MJ haters like to speak so often about and probably links to some porn sites found on computers.

    I think that Michael covered up for these young men when the police attributed all those things to him. Technically Omer Bhatti and friends were not yet of age, though they were quite grown-up to engage in all those things, and being not of age they would have had to answer for their deeds. Or Michael would have had to answer anyway as it was him who gave them access to his home.

    Lynette sent me a marvellous article about Omer Bhatti and friends in Neverland:

    Norwegian boys in USA on Jackson’s tab

    Three Oslo teenagers have been on a secret private visit to pop idol Michael Jackson at his pleasure park Neverland Ranch in California. After police raided Neverland Tuesday morning with a warrant for Jackson’s arrest on suspicion of sexually assaulting a young boy worries have run high in Oslo, newspaper VG reports.

    One of the mothers said she was waiting to hear from her son, and was considering calling Norway’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    Two youths were invited along to California by Jackson’s Norwegian-Pakistani friend Omer Bhatti, 19.

    Bhatti, from Oslo’s Holmlia district, became a celebrity of sorts after Jackson discovered him in 1996. Bhatti was standing outside Jackson’s hotel in Tunis dressed like Jackson and bearing a red rose in his hand.

    Since then they have been close friends, and Bhatti and his family have been frequent guests of Jackson’s. Bhatti was most recently photographed with Jackson at the star’s 45th birthday celebrations in Los Angeles. Bhatti has been unswervingly loyal to Jackson during their relationship, according to VG.

    VG’s sources claim that the Oslo trio’s USA holiday is bought and paid by Jackson and was a secret to all but their nearest family members. The trip to Neverland should have lasted a week, but the boys have now been gone nearly four weeks.

    “I have faith in the judgment of both Omer and my son. Besides, I don’t believe all the claims and rumors about Michael Jackson, even if I have them in the back of my mind.”

    “I am more worried about the conduct of American police than I am about the claims against Michael Jackson,” the mother of one of the boys told VG.

    Omer Bhatti was a friend of Benjamin Hermansen, an African-Norwegian teen that was killed in a racist attack in Holmlia. Jackson dedicated his album Invincible to Hermansen’s memory at Bhatti’s request.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20071203012742/http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article673853.ece

  19. February 12, 2013 11:10 am

    “There is proof that things were planted…if not by the police at the raid, then who at Neverland before it? Did someone at Neverland do that whilst Michael was out of the country? Plant evidence to aid police and Sneddon? Under instructions perhaps? I wouldn’t be surprised.”

    I won’t be surprised either. Let us remember that Michael was away from Neverland for THREE WEEKS prior to the raid. He was in Las Vegas working on the album, “One more chance” song and shooting a new video. The time was pressed as the song debut was evidently timed for the release of the Number 1 album which was November 18, 2003 (the day when the raid was arranged) or at least for the MJ special to air on TV on November 26th. So there was no time for Michael to go back and forth, especially since his children were with him in Las Vegas.

    Proof that Michael was away:

    Police Raid Jackson RanchPolice Raid Jackson Ranch
    Officers search pop singer’s house

    By Gil Kaufman
    November 18, 2003 12:00 AM ET

    Dozens of Santa Barbara County sheriff’s deputies armed with warrants swarmed Michael Jackson’s Neverland Valley ranch Tuesday morning to search the compound. The officers arrived at the gated ranch at 8:30 a.m. to conduct the searches, which are part of an ongoing investigation, Sgt. Chris Pappas said in a statement.

    Court TV reported that the raid was tied to allegations made by an unnamed twelve-year-old boy, though authorities would not comment on those reports. Jackson’s spokesperson could not be reached for comment.

    The raid came on the same day that Jackson’s Number Ones greatest hits album was released. The collection features the new song “One More Chance,” written by R. Kelly. A Jackson TV special is scheduled to air on CBS on November 26th.

    Jackson and his three children were not at Neverland during the raid because he has been in Las Vegas for three weeks filming footage for the TV special.

    In 1993, a fourteen-year-old boy alleged that Jackson had improper sexual contact with him; that case was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/police-raid-jackson-ranch-20031118

  20. February 12, 2013 11:03 am

    “Fact is. Michael did not like kids to see things like that. And as I stated before, why didn’t he show Jordan things like that if he was guilty???” – Rodrigo

    I remember the great amazement with which Macaulay Culkin, Brett Barnes and Wade Robson were leafing through those magazines in the courtroom. This alone shows that they had never seen Michael reading them in their presence, so they never knew he possessed them at all.

    Sneddon asked questions like “Would it change your opinion of MJ if you knew that he had these magazines?” but the real meaning of those questions was lost on everyone. And the real meaning was – they DID NOT KNOW that Michael ever had these magazines.

    And this means that HE NEVER SHOWED any adult materials to any of his teenage friends.

  21. February 12, 2013 10:57 am

    What Kit Culkin describes about Michael rings true to what Mark Ronson said on this matter http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/261375/mark-ronson-i-made-michael-jackson-watch-porn

    Great article, Rodrigo. Just what the doctor ordered:

    Monday 23 June 2008
    Mark Ronson: I made Michael Jackson watch porn
    But star producer says the singer didn’t approve

    Musician: Mark Ronson hung out with Sean Lennon as a kid
    Mark Ronson has revealed that he used to watch porn when he stayed at Michael Jackson’s home as a kid.

    The music producer met the Thriller star through his then neighbour Sean Lennon, son of The Beatles legend John Lennon.

    ‘We were just hanging out. We used to watch the porn channel because we were 10 and like: “Oh my God, tits!”‘ Mark said on Channel 4’s Sunday Night Project.

    ‘Me and Sean said: “Michael, do you want to see something cool?” We turned the dial to the porn channel and there were strippers. We were like: “Michael, Michael, how cool is this?”

    ‘We turned around and he was cringing, saying: “Ooh stop it, stop it, it’s so silly.”

    ‘I think he had really strong feminist views on porn and the use of it.’

    Mark, 32, is currently dating model Daisy Lowe, 19.

    http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/261375/mark-ronson-i-made-michael-jackson-watch-porn

  22. Rodrigo permalink
    February 12, 2013 7:27 am

    Also looking at Neverland, it seems Michael was perhaps a compulsive hoarder? Where no matter, one is unwilling to get rid of items. And with Michael’s attachments to fans who sent him gifts, it would show why he kept so many things the prosecution took from him. To discard them would have brung him some form of upset/distress.

  23. Rodrigo permalink
    February 12, 2013 6:34 am

    What Kit Culkin describes about Michael rings true to what Mark Ronson said on this matter

    http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/261375/mark-ronson-i-made-michael-jackson-watch-porn

    And didn’t Michael’s account of events with the Arvizo’s have him snatch the adult mags from them and lock them away in a briefcase?

    Fact is. Michael did not like kids to see things like that. And as I stated before, why didn’t he show Jordan things like that if he was guilty???

    Yes, he may have had things like that, being single heterosexual…but clearly he didn’t like people knowing about it, being incredibly shy and private, and he especially didn’t like kids knowing about it. He didn’t know the Arvizo’s were such little moochers, did he?
    Children mooch of course, but remember, Michael had those things hidden away under lock and key. So no matter how haters try to spin it, he was responsible as he could be.

    As for the porn being scattered everywhere…I can put that under many circumstances. But what I’d like to think is, can we chalk it under the category of how cocaine was sprinkled on some underwear? Conveniently placed dirty clothing and sheets. How did all that happen so well that it ALMOST gave Sneddon and the rest, the perfect case and opportunity to put Michael away and prove what they’d been saying since the start? The chance to feed their case and just throw Michael under a classic pe-le category? Which they all said since 93?

    There is proof that things were planted…if not by the police at the raid, then who at Neverland before it? Did someone at Neverland do that whilst Michael was out of the country? Plant evidence to aid police and Sneddon? Under instructions perhaps? I wouldn’t be surprised.

  24. November 4, 2012 5:28 am

    Lynande51,you tube doesn´t show it in my country, due to some rights, they menrion Fox..

  25. November 3, 2012 7:27 am

    Kaarin they weren’t innuendos it was pretty blatant if you ask me. I’ve watched it and if you ever watched anything by Mel Brooks it isn’t any different. You can watch the whole thing on you tube.

  26. November 2, 2012 8:44 pm

    To me it seems somewhat inapropriate to write a film script with sexual innuendos with a 12yo. I have not seen the film, so I don´t know the exact nature of these innuendos.

  27. Rodrigo permalink
    November 2, 2012 8:04 pm

    How can anybody say he’s gay aftering watching this?

  28. November 2, 2012 5:04 pm

    You know what I think is funny Helena is whenever you make a post that actually names Desiree out comes so little someone trying to post a comment that supports what she thinks is true. Who knows maybe applehead 12v is Desiree with her proxy server.

  29. November 1, 2012 11:54 pm

    “I thought Michael was straight O_o ??”- applehead

    Corey Feldman answers you:

    “‘No, he’s not gay. No, he’s not a weirdo.’ You don’t understand the toll that it takes, having to be friends with somebody like Michael Jackson, because you spend your whole life defending [him].”

    The quote is from Corey Feldman’s interview with Bashir (when Bashir worked on ABC with Gutierrez as his assitant). Now all of us do understand how heavily Corey Feldman was misquoted by Bashir/Gutierrez in that interview, don’t we? Corey had his disagreements with Michael but he never really suspected MJ of anything even remotely close to molestation.

    Jackson “never did anything out of line,” Feldman told police detectives. “I mean, the closest he ever came to touching me was maybe slapping me on the leg once to talk about that I had lost weight.” “He never harmed me. And he never harmed any children in front of me.”

    Even this phrase sounds more like an irony to me:

    Bashir asks, “Were you ever shown any images that were inappropriate?” Feldman responds, “If you consider it inappropriate for a man to look at a book of naked pictures with a child that’s 13 or 14 years old, then your answer would be yes.”

    The author of the article repeatedly calls the medical book “pornography” while all it was was a medical piece showing images of venereal diseases. This wasn’t “grooming” for sure, as this kind of pictures can only avert from sex and sexual ideas.

    However this article tries to squeeze as much negativity as it can from the story:

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496823/feldman-jackson-showed-him-nude-photos.jhtml

  30. Applehead12v permalink
    November 1, 2012 5:19 pm

    I thought Michael was straight O_o ??
    no offense, but i cant stand gays. sry.

  31. December 15, 2011 10:55 pm

    “It wasn’t meant to offend or demean homosexuals; it was only meant to reiterate the fact that MJ was straight, and did not have any sexual fantasies about experimenting with gay or bisexual sex.”- David

    “But the thing is, that you don’t actually know if Michael had any desires or inklings towards that side. How can you say that he never had any fantasies when you’re not in his head? Haha!” – youngearlgrey

    @youngearlgrey, since you are not in his head either I think it would be mere speculation to say that Michael did have those thoughts. But even if the above two statements balance each other, David’s statement outweighs yours as on numerous occasions Michael said he was not gay.

    1. Michael said it to Bashir when he asked him a direct question. Michael stopped the recording and said that he was not gay, but he didn’t want his answer to be in the documentary as he had many gay fans and didn’t want to offend them.

    2. Michael said he was not gay to Evan Chandler in the scene described by Ray Chandler in “All that glitters”. When Evan gave Michael some medicine for his headache which suddenly knocked him out Evan took the chance to interrogate Michael on the gay issue and Michael said “Not me”. Considering that he was hardly controlling his thoughts and feelings at that moment, we can safely say that he was revealing his innermost thoughts to Evan – which is a way to find out what he really thought.

    3. His “friend” Uri Geller – the one who bends spoons by a mere glance – said he once hypnotized Michael and asked him if he was gay (almost everyone seemed to take advantage of Michael this way, poor thing) and Michael again denied it. And again this was said when he was in a half-conscious state which is proof that he could not be pretending.

    There were many more similar occurrences, but even these three show that Michael was heterosexual and did not have any thoughts about “experimenting” you so freely suppose about him. Given the facts we know about Michael all these suppositions are totally irresponsible to say the very least.

    Michael never said a bad word about gay men – his best doctor was gay, and Michael never had any issues about it, but what he also did say to one of his friends was that the Lord was against it. I don’t remember who he talked to but when asked about homosexuality he replied something like “Do you know what the Gospel say about it?”

    I personally don’t remember what the Gospel says about it (so please don’t ask me), but Michael did refer to the Bible. It does not mean he accused anyone of anything – all it means is that for him personally some things were not acceptable and even in his thoughts he didn’t allow himself experimenting (as the Lord knows our thoughts).

    In fact, in matters of sexuality Michael was very prim – prim as a Victorian old maid, as Kit Culkin put it: “Michael was always very prissy and proper and prim, and the very essence of the proverbial Victorian old maid.”

    So whenever you or someone else makes any statements to the opposite I will ask you to substantiate them with facts, please.

  32. December 15, 2011 9:24 am

    Oh boy here we go indeed.

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