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Lupus, Vitiligo, Plastic Surgery and the concept of ‘self-hatred’. Did Michael Jackson want to go white?

August 13, 2011

Interesting coincidences sometimes happen.  A week ago the accusations of Michael Jackson of ‘black self-hatred’ impressed me so much that I decided to write a few words about this allegation  – touching upon Michael’s health on the way,  and here we are – a certain Dr. Drew Pinsky suddenly uses his TV show to spread old lies about Michael’s nose ‘falling off’ and invite Michael Jackson’s so-called ‘friends’ (Brian Oxman and Deepak Chopra) to say nothing  good of him except that he was an ‘addict’.

Surprisingly, but my post is also going to be about Michael’s looks and even some problems concerning addiction and I will also be quoting a former associate of Michael Jackson – Dr. Arnold Klein who isn’t regarded as Michael’s friend at all – however it is this man who will assure us that Michael’s nose was very much in place and that Michael managed to withdraw from his former addiction to Demerol.  Moreover it is this non-friend who will help us understand how drugs were introduced into Michael’s life and who is responsible for it.

No, in these days of an open battle for Michael Jackson’s good name it is difficult to say who is a friend or foe – some people are definitely undecided with whom to side and are running back and forth. Time to make your choice, guys – we are almost there and afterwards it will be too late.

But let us start where we left the discussion about Michael alleged ‘black self-hatred’. A reader raised it in the comments section and it turned out that some people believed it and applied it to Michael Jackson as this is the only explanation they see why he turned from black to white and had plastic surgery on his face.


Only the deaf and blind do not know by now that it wasn’t Michael’s desire to become white. The change in the color of his skin was due to Vitiligo – a grave autoimmune disease which turned his skin into porcelain white and his life into a nightmare. It couldn’t be stopped or healed, was a huge obstacle to Michael’s stage work and public appearances and in addition to bringing him lots of suffering was regarded the world over as a sign of Michael wanting to betray his race.

The MJEOL site worded it perfectly: “For years Jackson lived with the totally unfair, undeserved and unfounded allegation based on something he could not do anything about. All of the hell he was given and all of the jokes that were made could have been an enormous burden on someone who was already utterly self-conscious about his looks.”

Filming “They Don’t Really Care About Us” in Rio de Janeiro in 1995. Makeup effectively covers up the dark splotches in the actual video

Those who still allow themselves nasty jokes about Michael’s desire to ‘go white’ should be reminded on a daily basis that this kind of a behaviour on their part was more or less passable when people were in the dark as to Michael’s disease. Repeating the same old story now – after he told Oprah and others about his vitiligo and the diagnosis was confirmed by numerous pictures and even the autopsy report  – is simply monstrous, same as it is monstrous to laugh at another person’s  wounds. This type of behavior should be stopped by a steel hand by everyone who sees it as there is simply no way it can be justified.

Michael’s dermatologist Arnold Klein said in an interview with Larry King that Michael’s vitiligo was really bad and the ultimate decision to ‘go white’ wasn’t his:

KING: What is vitiligo?

KLEIN: It’s a loss of pigment cells. And the pigment cells, you — for every 36 normal cells in your body, you have one pigment cell pumping pigment into them. Unfortunately, it’s an autoimmune disease and lupus is an autoimmune disease. And they tend to go together, because you make antibodies against your pigment cells.

KING: Did Michael have it?

KLEIN: Absolutely. We biopsied it.

KING: What causes it?

KLEIN: It causes — it’s caused by your immune system and your immune system destroying your pigment cells.

KING: Do black people have it more than white people?

KLEIN: No. But it’s just more visible on black people, because they have a dark skin. The other thing is, it certainly occurs with a family history. And I believe one of Michael’s relatives did, in fact, have vitiligo.

KING: How bad was his?

KLEIN: Oh, his was bad because he began to get a totally speckled look over his body. And he could…

KING: All over his body?

KLEIN: All over his body, but on his face significantly; on his hands, which were very difficult to treat.

KING: So let’s clear up something. He was not someone desirous of being white?

KLEIN: No. Michael was black. He was very proud of his black heritage. He changed the world for black people. We now have a black president.

KING: So how do you treat vitiligo?

KLEIN: Well, I mean there’s certain treatments. You have one choice where you can use certain drugs called (INAUDIBLE) and ultraviolet light treatments to try to make the white spots turn dark or — his became so severe, that the easier way is to use certain creams that will make the dark spots turn light so you can even out the pigments totally.

KING: So your decision there was he would go light?

KLEIN: Well, yes, that’s ultimately what the decision had to be, because there was too much vitiligo to deal with and…

KING: Otherwise, he would have looked ridiculous?

KLEIN: Well, you can’t — he would have to wear heavy, heavy makeup on stage, which would be ridiculous. And he couldn’t really go out in public without looking terribly peculiar.

Here is the video of them talking:

Dr. Klein’s account of the events same as the words of Michael’s make-up artist Karen Faye explain why Michael turned white almost overnight  (or at least some of us had that impression). Karen Faye says they first tried to cover white spots with dark make-up but when vitiligo became too extensive they had to use light make-up, which naturally brought about an almost immediate change in Michael’s looks into the opposite color:

The change was quickly noticed by the media and was attributed to a “skin-replacement” operation he had allegedly undergone. This lie was so effective that even in my far-away part of the world a great many intelligent people believed that Michael’s skin had been replaced.

And this despite the idea being completely ridiculous, absurd and even delirious. Where does a black man take so much white skin? From a donor? But there are no precedents of a surgical replacement of skin on the whole body! The maximum replacement they do now are separate patches of skin only! And how do these people imagine the full replacement? Full scalping him first? And then gluing back someone else’s skin? Some people must have watched too many horror movies and cannot tell life from fiction as a result!

Other detractors believed that Michael used creams for bleaching his skin. He did use some lightening creams all right as doctors prescribed them for evening out his color and make dark spots look paler – but this is a standard cosmetic procedure for all vitiligo patients which saves them from the embarrassment of facing the public with their leopard looks.  And since the use of these creams is standard it makes all those dirty hints about “bleaching his skin” completely out of place – we don’t laugh at people who use toothpaste for everyday hygiene, do we,  so why all this innuendo and laugh about the “bleaching cream found in his house”? Why not laugh at finding someone’s toothpaste in his home too then?

Like all people suffering from vitiligo Michael was terribly self-conscious about his condition and confessed he had the disease only when he was practically white. If he had said it earlier the hysteria about him ‘wanting to be white’ could have probably subsided, but knowing that no one believed Michael even after his admission I doubt that an earlier confession would have made much difference.

Instead, it could have landed us with photos of speckled Michael, covertly made by paparazzi from some bushes and published in every tabloid with catchy headlines. Can you imagine the juicy stories accompanying those pictures? I very well can – “The Freak Going Freakier Than Ever”, “A Speckled Thriller”, “Are You Scared Yet?”

No, it was wise of him not to say anything until he became one-color again.


But the theory of Michael’s ‘black self-hatred’ is based not only on the dramatic change of his skin color – very much talk concerning this matter revolves around the plastic surgery on his face. Some are sure that this way Michael was keen on acquiring ‘white looks’ and that his desperation to ‘change his race’ was so big that he allegedly had more than 50 operations. After the Bashir interview aired the media wrote:

“Earlier this week, a “Dateline NBC” special examined the singer’s denial that he had only two plastic surgery operations. A doctor who shared an office with Jackson’s personal plastic surgeon claimed the pop singer had over 50 operations”.

Which doctor? Name please! And how much could he see if he only shared the office? However let us not waste time on these people trying to stop them from going to hell (where they belong) – the question we need to pursue is whether Michael did indeed hate himself for being black and whether he indeed ‘betrayed his race’ by having plastic surgery on his face.

First of all let me say that the idea of ‘black self-hatred’ as such and in application to cosmetic surgery in particular looks to me a heavily slanted and a highly artificial mental construction. You can feel that something is basically wrong with this statement but cannot pin down where the wrong is – all you can say is that the idea is too primitive to explain things which are in fact much more complex.

Unfortunately the phenomenon of ‘self-hatred’ does exist, though I would rather call it self-dissatisfaction or non-acceptance of yourself the way you are. But calling this phenomenon solely black would be a ridiculous exaggeration to say the very least.

The truth of the matter is that most people are unable to accept themselves fully – dissatisfaction with ourselves is a feature typical for the majority of us and it is only the degree of it which varies from person to person. This phenomenon is not only one of the biggest human driving forces (as it encourages changes and working on oneself) but is also one of the biggest maladies in life (as it brings about neuroses).

Taken in a wider context inability to accept oneself doesn’t include only one’s looks. Some people don’t accept their weight and go dieting. Some are unhappy with their intellectual abilities and gifts nature has given them – they wanted something better or more. Some suffer from lack of confidence in themselves or inability to properly socialize and become totally neurotic as a result. Some have a hard time accepting their sexuality or social standing and this can bring about its own huge excesses. However there is one thing which is common to all of us  – practically each and every is dissatisfied with the way we look.

I haven’t met a person in my life who was fully happy with his or her looks. Something is always wrong – nose, ears, condition of skin, shape of hips, belly, legs or mouth. Some have too little or no hair, some have too much hair and not in the right places, those with curly hair want it straight, those with straight hair want it curly, so on and so forth – the list can go on forever.

Dissatisfaction with one’s looks is so widespread that the whole of beauty industry is based on this concept thus making it technically possible to call all avid users of beauty products self-haters too. This would be an absurd statement of course but the popularity of cosmetic procedures and every-day make-up proves that self-dissatisfaction with one’s looks and partial non-acceptance of yourself the way you are is an absolutely routine thing which shows the desire of each of us to reach a certain standard – yes standard  –  ideal of beauty.

I wouldn’t be suddenly talking about this concept if it didn’t have a direct bearing on Michael. He was accused by everyone of a desire to look more attractive and the hypocrisy of these accusations is simply astonishing when you look at it from the point of view of a great many of us who are heavily engaged in similar activities ourselves.

If some of us do not resort to cosmetic procedures it means that we are either very wise people who have learned to accept ourselves the way we are or are simply lacking means to enjoy all the good things the beauty industry can offer us. Considering the latter factor I strongly suspect that if we had his money we wouldn’t be able to resist some of the cosmetic temptations either and would also find what to do to our faces or figures (and at every age too).

As you rightfully say it happened that the ideal of beauty was somehow forced on the world by the white race though it has begun to noticeably change in the past decades. But even despite the new tendencies human mind is still heavily dominated by the ideals which have been evolving for centuries and which are implanted in our minds without us even realizing it.

As a result of this or probably because the concept of beauty is somehow built-in into a human mind (?) I’ll venture to say that there is a certain mental image of beauty which exists in an abstract form for all people of the world irrespective of their race and skin color. This beauty ideal includes a combination of several obligatory elements – the minimal of which are a clean and healthy skin, straight and well-proportioned nose, eyes which are preferably bigger than smaller, ears that do not stick out, not too thin lips, good hair, etc.

The color of skin is not that important because it is a minor factor as compared to facial features – if all

Black Madonna

above elements are present the face remains within a certain common standard of beauty and the color of skin is only a little spice added to the whole picture. Look at the handsome faces of famine refugees in the Horn of Africa who are currently on everyone’s TV screens and you will understand what I mean – many of the faces are so beautifully modeled that if it weren’t for the tragedy of it many of these emaciated women could make ready-made models. Their faces help you realize that it isn’t the color of skin which makes a person beautiful but the features of the face and its proportions.

The point I am trying to make here is that beauty is not in color – beauty is in the proportions of one’s face the complex of which is registered by our brain on some very basic level recognizable to all.

This universal standard of beauty has taken long time to form and it will again take time and some unknown psychological mechanisms to make our brain perceive beauty differently. It is not in our power to change mass public perception of who is handsome and who is not – especially since the media is doing its best to make all of us want to look the way they consider it beautiful at the moment. In the next century the concept of beauty will change and everyone will again try to look that way – and this is something which simply cannot be helped by any of us.


Discoloration beneath his right eye, pimples and uneven skin and a big nose the family members laughed at – lots of reasons to be dissatisfied with oneself!

Each of us wants to come closer to the standard of beauty which is currently in fashion and people go to many extremes in order to attain their goal. But if ordinary people are so very much set on it, how much more willing should be those whose face is constantly on the screen and on front pages of popular magazines? And wouldn’t it be extreme hypocrisy to say that what is allowed, promoted and encouraged by beauty magazines for all of us should all of a sudden be forbidden for a man like Michael Jackson?

When I look at Michael’s face in his adolescent years and see him turning from a cute boy into a shy teenager with acne I can understand full well why he was dying to have a cleaner skin and make his nose smaller. The face is well within the accepted ‘standard’ but the nose and state of skin are indeed a deviation from the ideal concept of beauty.

It is true that a wide nose is typical of some black people, however other black people and even whole black nations have noses I can only be envious of.  On the other hand white people cannot always sport the best of facial features – so speaking generally there is no strict determination of who should look how.

But what is interesting is that when it comes to correcting one’s facial deficiencies it suddenly turns out that a white man can have plastic surgery without being accused of anything bad while a black man cannot because he is immediately said to be ‘betraying his race’!

The above is equivalent to saying that black people are obliged to stay the way they are, while white people are not answerable to anyone and are allowed to change their looks the way they want.

See how ridiculous it is? See the absurdity of all these ideas if you detach yourself from common prejudices and look at the problem from a neutral angle?

I suspect that the shape of Michael’s nose indeed made him hateful of his looks especially since it was the subject of constant ridicule from his family members who were more fortunate with their noses (they nicknamed him “Big nose” or something like that) —  so it doesn’t surprise me in the least that he wanted to change its shape.

Haters often laugh at Michael not being able to give the exact number of plastic surgeries he had. In his ill-fated interview with Bashir he first gave the number of two and then corrected it to three.

Does it mean that he was lying about the number of cosmetic surgeries made by the year 2003? No, it doesn’t. Michael was a very honest person –  so honest that he even admitted to fighting his addiction to Demerol in one of his songs. So to me his hesitation in the number of surgery means that he had a difficulty to separate between the nose jobs done solely for “beauty reasons” from those which were a medical necessity.

I want to remind everyone that Michael’s rhinoplasty started with an accident in 1979 when he broke his nose while rehearsing a dance move. It was about that time that he took the opportunity to make his nose smaller which was a very logical thing to do – if you are doing it anyway why not have the full package all at once? However from what we know about it, the operation was not successful as it blocked his nose breathing and had to be redone.

Nasal obstruction is a rather common side effect of rhinoplasty as according to a recent study up to 60% of patients complain about difficulty in breathing after it and seek to revise the operation:

Patients Seek Revision Plastic Surgery to Correct Asymmetric Nasal Tips, Breathing Obstructions

ScienceDaily (Sep. 20, 2010) —

Kathy Yu, M.D., of Columbia College and Cornell University, New York, and colleagues collected questionnaires from 104 consecutive patients seeking revision rhinoplasty between Jan. 1, 2008, and June 30, 2009. Patients ranked the top three reasons for seeking revision surgery, reported any symptoms of nasal obstruction and listed the reasons they did not return to their primary surgeon.

Most patients reported seeking revision surgery because of tip asymmetry, difficulty breathing or nasal blockage, or a crooked middle third of the nose.

Of the 64 (62 percent) of patients who described having difficulty breathing or other experiences of nasal obstruction, 60 (94 percent) had objective physical findings related to obstruction.

I don’t know when exactly cosmetic surgery proper was made on Michael’s nose for the first time– at the initial or corrective stage of repairing it, but it isn’t that important. What is important is that out of the two nasal jobs only one of them was partially cosmetic as it only accompanied the first surgery to mend the fracture or, most probably, went with the second surgery to improve his breathing.

How much more cosmetic surgery Michael had later I don’t know but tend to believe him that by the time of the 2003 interview their number was two or maximum three. The reason for the rest of the nasal surgery could have been completely different. Though some say that it was the result of ‘bad judgment’, a much more probable explanation is that Michael had to deal with the consequences of his very first nasal job and the reason for those after-effects was Michael’s lupus.


Even though many people are now aware of Michael’s vitiligo they still tend to forget that he had another terrible autoimmune disease – Lupus. In contrast to vitiligo lupus is practically not seen but is a much graver ailment as it undermines the patient from the inside. In case of lupus the immune system which generally fights infections only, suddenly turns on the body and attacks its healthy tissues instead. The consequences of lupus on a person’s overall condition and everyday life are horrible – just horrible – and even this word will be too mild a way of putting it.

To see how bad an effect it has on a human life here are some video stories about patients with lupus. If you watch them you will see that this disease alone can turn anyone’s life into a total misery – even if a person lives a comfortable life among those who dearly love him, and is not harassed by all the media in the world, sued a thousand and a half times, unjustly accused of horrendous things he has never done and is also a performer whose job is to regularly appear in public and impress people with fantastic shows:

Lupus Awareness Infomercial

Faces of Lupus

We are being told that Michael was suffering from a discoid or milder form of lupus (DLE) which affected ‘only’ his skin – which is no small matter as skin is considered the largest organ of the body. There are also signs that Michael could have developed a graver form of lupus, a systemic lupus (SLE), which spreads onto internal organs.

But whatever form of lupus Michael had, there is one thing common for both of thempeople affected by lupus are not recommended to have plastic surgery (unless they are in a stable remission stage) for fear of grave side-effects. Here is an account of a lupus patient who was surprised to learn than cosmetic surgery was not quite compatible with his disease:

  • A few years ago I attended a lupus seminar for health care professionals and learned cosmetic surgery is not a good idea for those diagnosed with discoid lupus.  MJ, unfortunately, had cosmetic surgery performed on his nose, chin (the dimple) and possibly other areas of his face.  According to one of the doctors who spoke at the seminar, she did not advise her patients to seek out plastic surgery unless their discoid lupus was in remission.  I don’t know if MJ was prescribed this drug or not but anti-malarial drugs like Placquenil are typically prescribed to keep discoid lupus at bay.  Patients on this drug can have successful results from plastic surgery but, there is no guarantee.  If he was on an antimalarial drug he needed to protect his eyes and skin from sunlight and, unfortunately, these drugs can cause damage to your retinas and blindness which coincides with a more recent rumor that MJ was losing vision in either one or both eyes.
  • In the aforementioned seminar, a good deal of emphasis was placed on the dangers of plastic surgery for individuals diagnosed with discoid lupus.  I was surprised to hear this and thought about MJ during the discussion because they said plastic surgery could exacerbate the condition and could cause further scarring and/or difficult or slow healing.”

But if Michael knew that cosmetic surgery was no good for him how could he seek nasal surgery then? Isn’t it exactly the reason why people accuse Michael of ‘bad judgment’? Or was it doctors who didn’t tell him of the dangers of it? And did they know about it themselves?

The truth of the matter is that at the time of the first nasal surgery (1979) neither Michael nor his surgeons knew of his lupus condition. First his broken nose was mended, then it was corrected to improve breathing, and accompanied by some plastic surgery, and only several years after that Michael was diagnosed with lupus (in 1984),  so there was no way Michael could know of possible lupus-related consequences of his initial surgery. Nor could he avoid the operations as both nasal jobs were a necessity.

It will be more correct to address the question about why they disregarded Michael’s lupus to doctors who made those operations. It is quite possible that  some of them simply did not know of it.

The patient who attended that medical seminar says that ignorance about autoimmune diseases is quite common among plastic surgeons. It isn’t their primary business and the disease itself is so tricky that is not easy to diagnose. In fact it often goes undiagnosed for years  as it is known to be a great ‘imitator’ of other ailments and is often taken for something different.

So it is quite probable that none of the surgeons were smart enough to make the right guess and test Michael for lupus before the operation. The lupus patient shares his observations about it:

  • In fairness to plastic surgeons, not all of them are well versed in autoimmune diseases, particularly if the patient never mentions it.  Some will not bother viewing your health records either.  That said, since Lupus DLE, SLE and SCLE (subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus) are hard to diagnose and many go undiagnosed for years, it is not uncommon for a plastic surgeon to proceed knowing nothing about the patient’s lupus or what effects the surgery will have on their skin.  Many simply don’t know.  Those who do know will defer surgery until such time the patient is in remission.  Now ask yourself, what doctor is going to pass up that much money?

Michael underwent his first rhinoplasty as early as 1979 and his lupus was diagnosed only several years later when Michael, who was suffering from acne, was introduced to Dr. Klein and Klein took a biopsy and made the correct diagnosis. This is how Klein diagnosed Michael with lupus:

Transcript of their conversation:

KING: Doctor, how did you first meet Michael?

DR. ARNIE KLEIN, MICHAEL JACKSON’S DERMATOLOGIST: I met Michael because someone had brought him into my office. And they walked into the room with Michael. And I looked one — took one look at him and I said you have lupus erythematosus. Now, this was a long word.

KING: Lupus?

KLEIN: Lupus, yes. I mean, because he had red — a butterfly rash and he also had severe crusting you could see on the anterior portion of his scalp. I mean I always am very visual. I’m a person who would look at the lips of Mona Lisa and not see her smile. I would see the lips.

KING: Was he there because of that condition?

KLEIN: He was there only because a very close friend of his had told him to come see me about the problems he had with his skin. Because he was — he had severe acne, which many people…

KING: Oh, he did?

KLEIN: Yes, he did. And many people made fun of him. He used to remember trying to clean it off and he’d gone to these doctors that really hurt him very much. And he was exquisitely sensitive to pain.

So he walked into my office. He had several things wrong with his skin. So I said — and you have thick crusting of your scalp and you have some hair loss.

He says, well, how do you know this?

I said, because it’s the natural course of lupus.

So I then did a biopsy. I diagnosed lupus. And then our relationship went from there.

A red butterfly rash on the face and thinning hair on the anterior part of the head and at temples are typical of lupus

Forget about plastic surgery for a moment.

The 20-something year-old man has a severe acne, a red butterfly rash on this face, some hair loss and a thick crusting visible on the anterior part of his head? And vitiligo too which is making his most visible parts – face and hands – turn into a black-and-white mess?

Isn’t it too much for one person? And he didn’t sit at home sulking over his diseases but stubbornly worked to become a genius of a dancer and singer and go down into history as a phenomenal songwriter? Could he have attained all that if he hadn’t been an incredibly tough man who managed to live with all those ailments and still become the best entertainer in the world?

A totally amazing example for all of us! And what a lesson it is for all those who think that strength and toughness are in muscles only….

Okay, so Dr. Klein’s interview confirmed it once again that Michael nasal surgery had started well before Michael learned about his lupus and this is exactly the reason why both he and his doctors boldly stepped on the road of plastic surgery at the end of the 70s.

The difficulty in diagnosing the disease doesn’t release doctors of their responsibility though – they were not only unsuccessful in treatment of his acne (‘hurting him a lot’) but none of them noticed a butterfly rash on his face, his hair loss and a thick crusting on his head all of which are extremely visible signs of a discoid lupus. Dr. Klein saw it the moment Michael entered his office (no wonder Michael kept to that doctor ever since),  but what about the others?

The lupus butterfly rash is so visible. How could they overlook it for so long?

It is true that they probably didn’t bother to check as the first nasal surgeries were a necessity and had to be done anyway, but if doctors had diagnosed Michael’s lupus at that stage it could have saved them from a tremendous amount of medical mistakes later and spared Michael from much pain and extremely grave consequences of the doctors’ (not his) poor judgment!

We learn about what happened to Michael’s nasal surgeries in the years following his meeting Dr. Klein not only from Klein himself, who compromised himself by telling a lot of contradictory stories about Michael, but from another, highly credible source, Dr. Richard Strick.

Dr. Richard Strick isn’t just a nobody in matters concerning Michael Jackson – he is the doctor who was appointed by DA Tom Sneddon to review Michael’s medical records in 1993 seized from Michael’s dermatologist and plastic surgeon. So when Dr. Strick talks about Michael’s surgeries he definitely knows what he is talking about as he studied all the respective documents.

And after studying those documents this medical expert who cannot be suspected of bias towards Jackson as he was working for the government, says it point-blank – all further work done on Michael’s nose was reconstructive and was the direct result of his lupus condition. Michael’s initial nasal surgery was followed by attempts to cope with breathing obstruction (which account for the first two operations) and the follow-up surgery dealt with the damage done to the nose by lupus which destroyed part of its tissues. Further surgery was aimed at simple reconstruction of the nose back to its normal condition:

DR. STRICK:  Michael had a disease vitiligo in which the pigment is lost and attempts had been made to bring that pigment back which had been unsuccessful so he tried to bleach it out so it would be one colour. Lupus is also an autoimmune disease and he also had skin involvement, which had destroyed part of the skin of his nose and his nasal surgeries and all were really reconstructive, to try and look normal.

QUESTION:    So all these nose reconstructions you’re saying was as a result of him treating his lupus?

DR. STRICK:   The first one was to try and reconstruct from some scar tissue and obstruction that had happened with the skin there. It didn’t work out very well and all subsequent attempts were to make it right. I think he was trying to look like a normal guy as best as that he could.”

Besides this eye-opening revelation the full version of the same tape discloses another extremely important point in connection with Dr. Strick’s involvement with Michael Jackson. It is a somewhat side matter for the present discussion so will have to go as a separate point.


Dr. Strick represents the prosecution side as he was appointed by Tom Sneddon to find out whether Michael had undertaken any changes on his genitalia in order to make them look different from Jordan Chandler’s description. Sneddon thought that Michael could have had some surgery to return to a non-circumcision state or bleach his skin to change the color of his private parts – both of which Jordan got absolutely wrong (we have numerous posts about it, please look up at least this postthis and this).

However,  though Dr. Strick was actually the main authority to make the final determination (this is why he was invited at all), we learn from his interview that he didn’t have an opportunity to compare the photos with Jordan’s description and was simply TOLD that it was a match!

See the full version of the same video where, among the usual biased talk about the settlement, he mentions this crucial fact somewhat in passing, so if you don’t know the context you might not even notice it:

In his interview with Larry King Arnold Klein also confirmed the fact that Michael’s medical records had been passed over to the medical examiner representing the prosecution side:

KING: … have you been contacted by any authorities, police or anyone?
KLEIN: The only thing I’ve done is I’ve turned my records, a long time ago, over to the medical examiner. I’ve not been contacted by the medical examiner.

Of course he wasn’t contacted because there was nothing to contact him about! And though this is a side issue for today’s discussion, considering how important the point is we need to stop here for a second to make some conclusions from the above.

1. Firstly, Dr. Strick’s words are a first-hand proof that the prosecution did have Michael’s medical records in the 1993 Chandler case. Up till now some haters claimed that the medical records were hidden from the prosecution for fear of revealing some “dark secrets” of Michael Jackson, so now these people are requested to please shut up – if the direct evidence from the prosecution’s medical examiner doesn’t suit them it shows that their hatred for Michael Jackson is simply a fixed idea similar to those treated in respective mental institutions.

2. Secondly, the “I was told” phrase is not a simple figure of speech. It is a direct admission of the fact that the prosecution concealed from their own main expert that Jordan Chandler’s description didn’t match the photos of Michael’s genitalia. Sneddon didn’t want even his own medical examiner to know the truth and told to the public a LIE which should be added to the long list of other dirty tricks he used against Jackson during the years of his vendetta.

We knew of this lie long ago when Michael wasn’t immediately arrested after the strip-search and when Jordan’s lawyer Larry Feldman suddenly demanded to bar the photos from the civil trial (for information about his motion please go to this post).

By the way Jim Thomas, the former Santa Barbara county sheriff also said that he was only “told” about the match  (he didn’t see the photos). How very interesting it is – the main medical expert saw the photos but didn’t compare them with Jordan’s description, and the county sheriff evidently saw the description but didn’t compare it with the photos, and both of them were just “told” that there was  a match. Incredible things were going on in Tom Sneddon’s department!  (for post about Jim Thomas please go here).

3. And thirdly, if we return to the matter of our present discussion we see that Dr. Strick’s words about Michael’s nasal surgery show that everything done on Michael’s nose in the period covered by Dr. Klein’s medical records (at least from 1984 to 1993 when the records were seized by the police) was reconstructive  surgery only dealing with the side-effects of his lupus which damaged the tissues of his nose.

Dr. Klein once again spoke about the need to reconstruct and rebuild Michael’s nose before the concerts in London, but confirmed that it was very much in place (despite all the innuendos from guys like Drew Pinsky):

KING: You saw him the Monday before he died.
KLEIN: Absolutely. Yes, sir.
KING: What was the purpose of the visit?
KLEIN: He came to me because, basically, I was sort of rebuilding his face, because he had severe acneand scarring. He had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery. And my expertise is — like it is with every one of my patients. My patients are my treasures. And I was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. And contrary to what people said, he could not take off his nose. His nose was attached. But it looked too small. And I just was trying to get him ready to do the concert, because in the way he looked in his face, he wanted it to be absolutely as perfect as it could be.


Since so much is being said about the side-effects of cosmetic surgery for lupus patients I’ve decided to have a closer look and see why these sufferers are not recommended to have it. This is what I’ve found among the answers given by doctors to the inquisitive patients:

Can patients with lupus have plastic surgery?

  • Lupus is a disease of the blood vessels and healing can be unpredictable in these patients. In a worse case scenario, areas of the skin can die (skin necrosis) leaving a real mess. Making this potentially worse is the fact that the medications a Lupus patient tends to be on include drugs that further inhibit healing like steroids and immunosuppressive drugs.
  • Systemic Lupus Erythematosis is a very serious disease which affects the blood vessels which are responsible for healing and keeping the skin alive after plastic surgery. Lupus can cause large areas of skin on the face or tummy to actually die after plastic surgery and result in terrible scars. Please encourage the patient to discuss this and be honest with the doctor. The result of not telling the doctor could be disastrous.

The first thing which attracts our attention in these doctors’ replies is that lupus comes in two forms – DLE (a milder one) and SLE (a systemic and graver one), but plastic surgery is not recommended for either of them. In both types of lupus healing of the skin and other tissues is difficult, the skin can develop a necrosis and die, and this usually results in severe scars. And no one can help this situation as lupus is treated by drugs suppressing the immune system – as it is too aggressive towards its owner –  and such drugs are an additional factor hindering the healing process. It is a vicious circle, you know.

Didn’t Klein say something about Michael already having severe scars when he came to him? The scars he had from lupus and the very first surgery on his nose in 1979? And these were further aggravated by scars from a burn on his head that he got from filming a commercial for Pepsi in 1984?

This article is telling us the dramatic story of Michael’s burn, the area of which was as big as a palm even after it healed. The resulting bald patch was treated by Dr. Steven Hoefflin for several months by means of a laser and other procedures meant to restore Michael’s hair:

Michael Jackson’s hair loss – what happened to his bald spot?

The King of Pop once wore a very different crown and almost had it taken away. It’s hard to believe that Michael Jackson once sported a full afro and everyone’s probably also forgotten that he nearly went  baldat 25 after a freak fire accident.

While filming a Pepsi commercial in 1984, pyrotechnics accidentally set Jackson’s hair on fire. He was rushed to hospital and treated for second degree burns to the back of his head which scarred his hair follicles and left him with a major bald patch.

When hair-bearing skin is badly burnt, the hair follicles are destroyed and replaced by scar tissue. The hair loss is permanent and known as cicatricial (or scarring) alopecia.

Jackson was singing his hit “Billie Jean” in a simulated concert scene when the special effects went wrong. Three thousand fans saw a firework display erupt behind the superstar, showering him in sparks and setting light to his hair. Jackson covered his burning hair with his jacket but some audience members thought it was part of the act.

Jackson later underwent 80 minutes of laser surgery to repair his scalp. His surgeon Dr. Steven Hoefflin, famously known as “Doc Hollywood” who Jackson formed quite an attachment to over the years, said he was able to stitch the wound without having to implant or transplant from other parts of Jackson’s head.

According to Leonora Doclis, senior trichologist at the Belgravia Centre, while laser surgery can make the scar smaller, it won’t help in generating hair growth from the scar.

“Apparently the laser treatment reduced the scar to palm-size, but that is huge,” Leonora says. “If the follicles are damaged they will not produce hair. It is very unlikely that his hair grew back after this treatment.”

This begs the question then – what happened to Michael Jackson’s bald spot? Leonora says treating cicatricial alopecia is challenging. “The best they can do without wearing a wig is if they can hide the scarred bald patch with their own hair.”

Cicatricial alopecia is a broad term that includes all forms of hair loss  concerning inflammation directed at the hair follicle.

“There are several reasons for scarring hair loss. Scalding is just one and there is an autoimmune factor,” Leonora says. In addition to burns and other injuries, cicatricial alopecia can be caused by certain types of infections like granulomas, lupus erythematosus, recurring bacterial or fungal infections, a skin disease called lichen planus, and scalp ringworm.

“Therefore there is no point in transplanting hair from one side of the scalp to another when it can still be subject to an autoimmune attack.”

The progression of cicatricial alopecia as the result of an internal problem is unpredictable but hair loss is irreversible once the follicle is destroyed. Leonora says autoimmune suppressant steroids could be injected but they won’t prevent or treat hair loss.

Despite Dr. Hoefflin’s claims that Jackson’s scalp would be completely healed within several months, Leonora has her doubts over the authenticity of Jackson’s hair.

“I think he may be covering certain areas with a hair system (hairpiece),” she says.

And just so you know…
Back then, hair wasn’t Michael Jackson’s only concern – he’d already had two nose jobs by the time he was 25 and went for his third rhinoplasty shortly after the hair loss incident. From then on his visits with Doc. Hollywood became ever more frequent.

Many years after the burn we can see some bald spots on Michael’s head

It is really painful to read that at the age of 25 a nice-looking guy got a huge burn on his head due to a stupid mistake of some pyrotechnics. Even after the wound healed it was still as big as a palm. The doctors treated him for several months to reduce the bald patch and somehow managed to stitch it together. However there was no guarantee it would work as lupus could ruin the whole thing again…

We know that Pepsi paid to Michael a $1,5 mln. compensation for their negligence but no money can of course compensate for this type of damage to one’s looks and Michael donated all the money to other victims of burns anyway….

When Larry King asked Arnold Klein if he gave Michael any painkillers he said Yes, and mentioned numerous surgical procedures Michael had to undergo due to that burn. He even acknowledged that on occasions he did give him Demerol to dull the pain after the procedures made on him by the cosmetic doctor:

KING: “Well, what — what about pain killing medications? Did you prescribe any?
KLEIN: I mean I’ve some sedatives for, you know, when he had surgical procedures that were immense, because, don’t forget, he had a lot of — he had the burn — the serious burn when he was burnt on the Pepsi commercial and the severe hair loss when he, you know, contracted lupus, also.
So when you have to fix all these areas, you have to sedate him a little bit. But if you took all the pills I had given him in the last year at once, it wouldn’t do anything to you.
KING: What was the strongest medication you gave him?
KLEIN: I once — you know, I, on occasion, gave him Demerol to sedate him. And that was about the strongest medicine I ever used.

KING: How did you treat the vitiligo?
KLEIN: Well, we basically used creams that would even out the same color and we destroyed the remaining pigment cells.
KING: And did his color change a lot over the years?

KLEIN: No, because once we got — we got it more uniform, it remained stable. But you still had to treat it because once in a while — and he had to also be extraordinary careful with sun exposure because of a lot of things. And that’s why he had the umbrellas all the time (INAUDIBLE) skin now.
KING: So when you have vitiligo, you have it all your life?
KLEIN: Usually. Almost uniformly. You don’t just have a little bit of it. And it’s most disconcerting not in white people, but in black people because you begin to look like a leopard.
KING: You can see it. Yes. Did he have blotches?
KLEIN: He had blotches but we evened out almost all of them. And he was very, very devoted to treating it. I mean he wanted to look well. He wanted to look well for one group of people, his fans. He wanted to embrace and love his fans more than any performer I’ve ever known.
KING: Did he have hair?
KLEIN: He had lost a great deal of it. You forget this first fire…

KING: That was the Pepsi fire, right?
KLEIN: Yes. But then what happened is he used a great deal of what are called tissue expanders in his scalp, which are balloons that grow up — blow up the scalp.

And then what they do is they try to cut out the scar.

Well, because he had lupus, what happened is every time they would do it, the bald spot would keep enlarging.

So, I mean, he went through a lot of painful procedures with these tissue expanders until I put a stop to it.

I said no more tissue expanders, because he had to wear a hat all the time and it was really painful for him.

KING: So what would his — without the hat, what would he look like?
KLEIN: Well, he had a big raised ball on the top of his head because of this device. It would expand the tissue, which you cut out.

But (INAUDIBLE) would you — (INAUDIBLE) too much stretch back in the scar, you understand?
KING: Did you see him one other time?
KLEIN: Of course I did. But he would have a stretch back on the scar.

I mean the scar would get worse after they removed it.

And I had to put a stop to it. So I told Michael, we have to stop this. And that’s when I fired this plastic surgeon altogether.

And I said I can’t deal with this anymore. We’re going to deal with me as your doctor or you’re going to have to find another doctor if you want to work with him”

Frankly when I first read about those tissue expanders I didn’t understand a thing and it is only now – when seeing the whole picture – I realize what was being done to him and for months at a time.


The initial burn left heavy scars on his scalp where hair would naturally not grow – so to cut out the bald and scarred patch those experimenters put expanding balloons under his scalp. The idea was to stretch his skin in order to have a surplus of it to cover the bald spot.

As soon as the skin expanded they stretched it over the affected area, cut the scar out and stitched the skin together.

However since Michael had lupus, each new surgery on his scalp resulted in a new and heavier scar and the bald spot would only enlarge.

And it was real painful for him.

David Nordahl witnessed skin baloons under Michael’s skin and said he was in excruciating pain

I doubt very much indeed that Michael invented this torturous method himself and I doubt it even more that he agreed to it willingly as it should have been giving him excruciating pain day after day, week after week, month after month – not to mention the fact that he had to wear a hat even inside his home.

We do remember Michael complaining about the excruciating pain of the treatment he received for his burn, don’t we? But all of us thought it was the usual treatment for burns, which is extremely painful too, right? None of us could ever imagine that they would do this to him!

And he had to put up with this agony round-the-clock and for months too while waiting for the skin to stretch? The doctor said it himself that he hoped he would reach the desired effect within several months! And they kept doing it to him again and again though every new scar-cutting-out procedure didn’t work? Didn’t they know that this kind of treatment was useless anyway as Michael had lupus which hindered healing and left him even more scarred after every new surgery?

Shouldn’t they have been working in cooperation with the dermatologist if they themselves were so terribly ignorant of the side-effects of Michael’s lupus? He would have told them that discoid lupus hinders the healing process, is a scarring disease and is in itself the primary reason for permanent hair loss! No wonder that Klein finally put a stop to this nightmare and confronted the plastic surgeon with an ultimatum!

And all this time Michael had to work – sing, dance, record and give shows to the public? And it was because of the need to make him survive through this agony of a treatment that they introduced him to Demerol?  So this is how Demerol started?


Besides finally realizing what a nightmare this torture must have been for Michael I now begin thinking that this kind of doctors should be sitting on the same bench as Conrad Murray for doing irreparable damage to Michael – and not even in terms of their unsuccessful treatment of his burn but in terms of a careless, unnecessary and forceful putting him on the hook of Demerol.

I don’t want to give any names here but I think you know what plastic surgeon Klein was talking about when he said that he “fired him” – even now they are at war with each other.

Klein acknowledged that Michael developed a problem with Demerol but said that he managed to beat it:

KING: Did Michael have an addiction you were aware of?
KLEIN: Michael, at one time, had an addiction. And he went to England and he withdrew that addiction at a secure setting, where he went off of drugs altogether.

Demerol shouldn’t be confused with Diprivan (Propofol) which sounds similar but is not a narcotic drug. Diprivan is an anesthetic given to most patients undergoing operations and used to help Michael’s severe case of insomnia – which is a separate problem that doesn’t surprise me in the least given his life experience and all mental and physical tortures he had to go through.

Demerol is a totally different thing. It is a narcotic pain reliever similar to morphine which is very addictive.

Since Michael must have been subjected to this totally inhuman scalp treatment for quite a long time they evidently kept giving him Demerol on a regular basis thus forcing him into the Demerol addiction – and all this due to a completely useless treatment which shouldn’t have been done at all or even started considering Michael’s lupus.

Whatever their intentions were their ‘treatment’ didn’t work and Michael had to wear wigs thereafter, but it left him with a much bigger problem in life – that of drug-addiction, which he wasn’t responsible for, never wanted and which he to his great credit stoically fought and even defeated!

Yes, despite the fact that he had to wage this battle in the midst of all that media harassment, non-stop suits and horrendous accusations he managed to do the impossible – he beat the addiction for Demerol as the autopsy report proved it. There were no narcotic drugs or their traces in his system and this makes Michael’s exploit in coping with one of the worst problems a human being can face simply awesome.


Those of us who don’t know what it’s like to fight  a narcotic addiction can learn about it from Michael’s incredible song called “Morphine” which is probably the best anti-drug propaganda tool I’ve ever seen. The song should indeed be used as a powerful argument against using narcotics and should probably be taught at school. Its essence is a stark contrast between two extremes – the soothing lure of the drug which promises you momentary bliss, calm and no repercussions and the monster which strikes you with all the power of it if you ever give in to its false attraction.  The song is a pure work of genius as it takes you through the hell of a fight Michael had to wage in order to get back to normal life.

It is so strong and powerful that it helps you realize the horror of narcotics without ever trying them and shows how desperate and honest with himself and the public Michael was. And how determined to win the fight too – otherwise he wouldn’t have composed and shown it to the outside world at all.

The fight was a deadly one – but he did win. The toxicology report is proof of it as it never mentioned not only narcotic drugs but even traces of them and referred only to that damned Propofol and some regular sleeping pills found in every ordinary household.

The police specifically noted that there was no hard drugs in Michael’s system:

Here is the song. Michael screams of people kicking him in his face, accusing him of hating his race and being a liar… The drug seems a way to dull the anguish of it all, but only until it shows the horrible face of its high-voltage and almost undefeatable power. The song gives you the feel of what it is like to fight this monster:


Well, let all of us, haters or non-haters alike, accept the truth at last.

Michael did not take Demerol of his own free will. He was forced into taking it by the not-too-responsible doctors who subjected him to many months of inhuman treatment and lavishly prescribed him the drug to let him still drag his feet throughout the process.

It was them who formed his habit for Demerol and it is them who should face all the music now. The patient is not responsible for the course of treatment chosen for him by his doctors and the medicine they prescribe him in order to dull the pain they so willfully inflicted on him.

Michael didn’t use any Demerol or other narcotic drugs in his later years of life. The media wanted us to think otherwise and told us huge lies about Michael when he died. However whatever they wanted to see in his body – Demerol, Xanax or anything else – there were none in his system. He was not only clean of any drugs but was even found a healthy man for his 50 years of age.

Let us be honest with ourselves at least for once in our lives and accept the indisputable fact – Michael won the battle with Demerol and did it in order to live, raise his kids and enjoy life. He was killed by something totally different – by insomnia and someone who wanted him to sleep forever…


There are several signs pointing to the fact that Michael could have developed a graver form of lupus which affected internal organs of his body. It is called systemic lupus or SLE. This conclusion is made by many patients who compare their symptoms with what was so often reported by the media about Michael Jackson’s health. One of these patients quoted above found many points of similarity between his (her) own symptoms and Michael’s condition.

This patient’s account is extremely interesting as besides many other points it expressly shows how a lupus patient feels every day of his life (for the full story please go to: A.D. Odom ).

Here is a slightly shortened version of it:

“Over the years I have heard the words “Michael Jackson has lupus” over and over again but I had never heard or read anything confirming MJ having systemic lupus.  Not a thing.  There have been some hospitalizations that have raised an eyebrow for me in recent years but the only confirmation I had or heard came in 1984 when MJ was badly burned when his hair caught fire during filming of a Pepsi commercial.  While MJ was in the hospital, doctors and the media reported lupus lesions were found in his scalp and it was said he had Discoid Lupus.

About Lupus Generally

Discoid lupus, or Lupus DLE, is a separate and different animal from systemic lupus or Lupus SLE.  According to WebMD’s eMedicine:

Discoid lupus erythematosus (DLE) is a chronic, scarring, atrophy producing, photosensitive dermatosis.  Some patients (<5%) with discoid lupus erythematosus progress to SLE1. Patients with DLE rarely fulfill 4 or more of the criteria used to classify SLE. Serologic abnormalities are uncommon. Therapy with sunscreens, topical corticosteroids, and antimalarial agents is usually effective.

Lupus DLE

Note that less than 5% of patients with discoid lupus go on to develop Lupus SLE.  Though 5% looks like a pretty small number, that 5% represents thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people.  When you hear a person has lupus, it is never noted whether that person has Lupus SLE or DLE.  You just hear the word lupus and that could mean anything from skin lesions only to kidney, lung or heart disease.

In MJ’s case, the lesions were found in his scalp after the accident, while he was in the hospital and unfortunately, much of what was done subsequent to his accident to repair his scalp was never quite successful.  There were reports that the scarring never fully healed which is common with discoid lupus.  MJ wore a host of wigs and some said this was done to cover up gray hair.  If the surgeries to repair his scalp were unsuccessful or, if he had discoloring alopecia – which is common with Lupus DLE – then wearing wigs makes sense.

Note, MJ walked around with a hat, facial coverings, and an umbrella to shield his body from UV light. That is a must with discoid lupus.

Lupus DLE to SLE

Discoid lupus. After a few weeks or months, when healing has taken place, dark-colored or pale scars may remain. If the condition extends to the scalp, the person may lose some of his or her hair. Sunlight tends to trigger and worsen the rash of lupus.

Here’s where Lupus DLE and SLE gets tricky.  When the lesions fall below the neck there is a chance the patient will develop Lupus SLE.  If a patient develops what is known as acute or subacute cutaneous lupus, doctors will watch their patients closely and will begin testing for high levels of ANA proteins in the blood, protein in the urine, and joint pain.  They will look for nonspecific skin lesions displaying anywhere on the body and of course any rash that occurs below the neck will be cause for suspicion.

MJ was diagnosed with vitiligo which is another autoimmune disease.  Where some will develop splotchy discoloration over parts of their body, MJ saw the disease spread over his entire body.  This would place MJ in the category of skin disease that passed the neck line and now the question, could this have put MJ in that <5% category of those who go on to develop Lupus SLE?  In my opinion, it could have.  MJ began having lots of health problems after this.

In 1990, MJ was hospitalized with something called costochondritis.  This is one of many disorders associated with autoimmune diseases.  You can also experience this very painful condition if you have been doing strenuous exercise.  I experienced this in 1989 and called an ambulance to my house because I thought I was having a heart attack.  The paramedic asked me if I had been doing the “rough & tumble” or strenuous exercise.  When I saw my doctor later I was told I had experienced costochondritis which is an inflammation of the cartilage that connects a rib to the breastbone (sternum). It causes sharp pain in the costosternal joint – where your ribs and breastbone are joined by rubbery cartilage. The pain caused by costochondritis can mimic that of a heart attack or other heart conditions.

If MJ’s bout with costochondritis was brought on by dancing and singing, that’s one thing.  It could have been a sign of something more sinister happening within his body which would represent one more thing to add to the shopping cart for Lupus SLE.  If the costochondritis was brought on by Lupus SLE, it would mean either MJ had undiagnosed Lupus SLE – which is possible and happens often – or his discoid lupus went systemic around this time.

In December 1995, MJ collapsed in New York during rehearsal for a TV special and was described as “dangerously ill”.  According to his doctors, MJ had a viral intestinal infection that led to nausea and dehydration and he spent nearly a week in the hospital.  I will say intestinal problems are common with lupus and there are numerous autoimmune diseases that affect the intestines.  If this was an autoimmune disorder we have yet another item for the Lupus SLE shopping cart.

Another curious thing MJ did was tape his fingertips.  In 2005, I too taped three fingers on my left hand.  Why?  Raynaud’s phenomenon.  From MedicineNet:

Raynaud’s phenomenon (RP) is a condition resulting in a particular series of discolorations of the fingers and/or the toes after exposure to changes in temperature (cold or hot) or emotional events. Skin discoloration occurs because an abnormal spasm of the blood vessels causes a diminished blood supply to the local tissues. Initially, the digit(s) involved turn white because of the diminished blood supply. The digit(s) then turn blue because of prolonged lack of oxygen. Finally, the blood vessels reopen, causing a local “flushing” phenomenon, which turns the digit(s) red. This three-phase color sequence (white to blue to red), most often upon exposure to cold temperature, is characteristic of RP.

I had this bad in both hands but, when the hands were not purple or discolored, the fingertips were red, inflamed and sensitive to touch.  I taped my fingers because this protected me from touching something and going through the roof – or to the moon – with pain.  Was this the case with MJ?  I don’t know.  He taped the fingers on his right hand, I taped fingers on my left hand.  He could have turned his painful ordeal into a fashion statement, like the hats and aviator sunglasses he needed to wear to protect his scalp and eyes from UV light.

In December 2002, MJ began walking with crutches and his left foot was wrapped in bandages.  He said this was due to swelling from what he described as a spider bite.  It’s possible or was this something else.  With Lupus SLE anything is possible, gout, swelling of the ankles or heels of the feet, and if the immune system is in overdrive, any infection will go in to outer space in a New York minute.  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.  Again, if he had Lupus SLE, this would be another item to add to the shopping cart

Stress And Lupus

Now, let’s go to 2005 and the trial in Santa Maria.  Stress will shoot Lupus SLE into orbit as well.  Flares are a lupus sufferer’s worst enemy and I suspect MJ had many of them during the trial.  I was there the day he jumped atop the SUV and began dancing.  That day was the beginning of the trial, however, as the trial wore on, MJ got sicker and sicker.  He had back pain, was hospitalized briefly and appeared at court in his pajamas.  At that time I had been diagnosed with Lupus SLE and wondered if the talk of MJ having Lupus beyond Discoid Lupus was true.  He was certainly displaying all of the signs of a person with Lupus SLE.  By the end of that trial MJ was spent, both mentally and physically. Stress is bad on a body generally, with Lupus SLE, stress will literally kill you. 

Pain Medications

I will honestly say I took pain medication prior to my hospitalization and my pain medicine of choice was ibuprofen – also known as Motrin and Advil.  This decreased my pain significantly and I was not taking 200 mg of the drug.  I often popped 800mg at a time.  The joint and muscle pain can be overwhelming and if you have to work, you do what you need to do. Today, I live with the pain because the alternatives are Vicodin and opiates like OxyContin.  I have chosen to leave all of them alone.

In MJ’s case, being a performer, I can see why someone would go for the stronger drugs.  Again, joint and muscle pain can be overwhelming if you don’t know how to deal with it.  With lupus, particularly when you are around those who do not understand the disease, you will be labeled lazy, uncooperative, and so much more if you complain of something no one can see.

Getting up in the morning for a person with severe Lupus SLE can be one hard road to tow.  You’re tired, you have joint and muscle pain, you feel as if you haven’t slept in days, there is this 40 pound or more weight on your body and gravity is the heaviest of the weights.  You really would like to stay in bed all day and not move.  Anyone with the means to do this will start their day with an upper of some sort to get them going and then a pain pill of their choosing to silence the pain.  If you are a performer, business person, or someone who has to move and do every single day of your life, this is breakfast. 

With lupus, you have to stay under a doctor’s care.  You cannot self medicate because what worked last week or last year may cause you great harm today.  Depending on where the flare is attacking your body, particularly if you become severely anemic as I learned earlier this year, something you thought might work might kill you.

Then There’s The Food Thing

To add something else as well and again, this is pure speculation.  I don’t eat much either.  Some of the medications I take cause me a lot of stomach discomfort and I’ve been hung over the porcelain throne throwing up meals.  I am not anorexic or bulimic but you just don’t want to eat when you think you’re going to suffer stomach upset as a result.  Food becomes less appealing.  You can only swallow so many Tums a day and if you are an active person, eating on the run can present one horrible set of circumstances when you’re feeling queasy.  Not eating is also bad for your heart.  We have to force ourselves to do it.

I heard MJ had a personal chef at one point, don’t know if he could afford it in recent years but some of the food out here will kill you too and MJ seemed very aware of this.  You really become a funny eater after being diagnosed with Lupus SLE.  If you’re not, you could do great damage.


I have to give MJ a lot of credit for incorporating fashion and function.  He taped his fingers and made it a style.  He might have been masking the redness of his fingertips or protecting his fingers from the pain one would feel from Raynauds when handling microphones.  Dropping the mic and screaming would not have been cute.  He also wore hats and sunglasses to protect himself from harmful UV rays and he incorporated these into his fashion garb. He wore casts, braces and kneepads to possibly protect against the pain from arthritis.  It makes good sense to me, particularly the knee pads, I’d like to have a few of those myself.

Allan Metzger is a lupus specialist who went with Michael Jackson on his HIStory tour in 1996/97.  In this picture Michael Jackson and Dr. Allan Metzger attend the ‘Light the Way for Lupus’ L.A. benefit at the Beverly Hills Hotel on October 1, 2003 in California. The event was sponsored by the Lupus Research Institute.

In closing, Lupus DLE and SLE is not nice.  There’s a lot of suffering with this disease.  You will have good days and bad days and the bad days can be rough.  Depending on how you manage the disease, you can either live a long and healthy life or a life filled with pain and discomfort brought on by other medications like opiates or excessive use of painkillers, uppers and whatever else is out there.  If you are a person who has a stressful profession and you cannot and will not slow your role as they say, the stress can and will kill you.

You have to watch fats, sugars, caffeine intake, the amount of protein and sodium, and other chemicals that can be harmful.  Depending on what medications you are taking, you may not be able to eat or drink certain foods or juices.  Over-the-counter remedies must be looked at carefully along with exercise and the amount of exercise you are doing.  Then there are days when you will just have to stay in bed and get plenty of rest.  Then there are the days when you will have to cancel all commitments because the body can’t take it.

Additionally, you have to learn to not listen to a lot of folks, particularly those who don’t know a thing about Lupus.  Folks may call you lazy, uncooperative, crazy, faking, and God only knows what.  They are not paying your bills and they are not living in your body.  Distance yourself from them.  Others will tell you it’s mind over matter and will try to make you feel bad for not going with them somewhere.  Limit the amount of poison in your life and that includes people.  If you’re married to them, lock them out of the house.

Today, I’m feeling well thank you and I’m on a chemo drug called Cytoxan.  In seven months, if all is well, I’ll probably still feel well.  And then, I may not.  I may be on another drug then and I’ll be tired and listless again.  Who knows.  But, in the end, I do know what I need to do for me and that’s what matters, not what others say or think.  There are folks right now who are very angry with me for not performing or doing at the level of what I was once able to do.  I ain’t doing it and I ain’t killing myself for someone else.  I cannot do a lot of things now and no amount of verbal pushing will make me do it.  The answer is no.  I am thankful I was able to live long enough to appreciate the word “NO”.

If only Michael could have said “NO” to that beast Randy Phillips who insisted that Michael rehearsed every day as if it were any of his business! Michael knew his songs inside out and didn’t have to dance and sing at every rehearsal – instead he needed to save up his energy for the 50 concerts they forced on him and deceived him into! If Phillips hadn’t demanded an everyday rehearsal,  Michael would have been saved from the mounting stress and would have slept at night, and if he had slept he would still be alive now.  I pray that the Heavens avenge Michael, and that Randy Phillips’ deeds fall on his own head one day. Simple justice is all we are asking for.

The above patient’s account answers lots of questions about Michael. Do you remember his complaints about pains in his back which no one really believed and Rabbi Schmuley ruthlessly advised him not to medicate? Doesn’t it remind you of the pains in the joints lupus patients suffer from?

And do you remember everyone thinking him weird for using umbrella in broad sun-light – though it is a complete must for all lupus patients whether it is DLE or SLE?

Or him being sometimes confined to a wheelchair which was probably due to flares which are also typical of lupus?

And even taping his fingers which everyone thought was a stage whim while the reason for that could the unhealthy color of his nails or even dealing with the pain when he was holding a microphone!

The left hand of Michael Jackson taken at the Guinness World Records event in 2006

I was also wondering about those nails and remember the media screaming about them being “a manicurist’s worst nightmare”. They attributed it to everything including AIDS and skin cancer except the most probable cause for it which is lupus.

This piece has been selected out of many as it presented the problem in the most decent way:

Dr. Klein Makes a Statement, February 1993

After Michael Jackson eluded to Oprah in 1993 that he had a skin disease, Jackson instructed his dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, to release an official statement disclosing the King of Pop’s Vitiligo pigmentation disorder. The New York Times quoted from the statement that Dr. Klein gave the Associated Press, stating that Vitiligo is not contagious, but results from a loss of skin pigmentation. In the months prior to Jackson’s death, Michael made frequent visits to Klein’s Beverly Hills offices. Dr. Klein’s website states that the Dame Elizabeth Taylor was a dear friend of his. Incidentally, Debbie Rowe was a nurse for the skin doctor around the time Michael became a patient.

Author John Randall Taraborrelli attempts to explain Jackson’s course of treatment in the biography entitled Michael Jackson: The Man and the Madness. He says that Michael Jackson had been diagnosed with Vitiligo and Lupus; however, the Lupus apparently went into remission at some point. These conditions perhaps lowered Jackson’s tolerance to the sun. This would explain why Michael was seen dressed head to toe, wearing gloves (not the glitter glove) and sunglasses. He also carried a Mary Poppins like umbrella at times. Allegedly, the doctor combated these illnesses with Solaquin, Retin A and Benoquin.

He also had hydroxychloroquin injected directly into his scalp regularly. The treatments he used for his condition further lightened his skin tone. That combined with skin leveling makeup made Jackson appear relatively pale.

An outward indicator of Michael Jackson’s Lupus, Vitiligo, and other possible health problems can be seen in his fingernails. They appear brown or dark beneath the nails all the way back to photos of his Thriller days. In the last six months or so of his life, news reports actually attested to the dastardly state of the pop singer’s hands.

Changes in the fingernails can signify a fungal infection or a systemic disease like Lupus or anemia.

Discoloration of nails is typical of lupus

If you have a closer look at some of Michael’s photos you will indeed see that his nails are an unnatural brown which might indeed be a sign of systemic lupus.

Doctors state that even the malar butterfly rash seen on the face of Michael Jackson sometime in 1983 may be a sign of systemic lupus:

“The malar rash or butterfly rash occurs in association with systemic lupus erythematosus. It is seen in up to 2/3 of patients with systemic disease and may be the presenting feature in up to 40%. It may vary in degree from a mild redness or “rosy cheeks”, to multiple swollen red areas or plaques.

The ‘classical’ skin problem in lupus is the butterfly rash. This type of rash tends to occur in the systemic form of the diseasetoo where other organs in the body are also involved.

In fact out of the main symptoms of systemic lupus Michael surely had at least half:

Victory only! Even despite the nails…

The symptoms of lupus differ from one person to another. Some people have just a few symptoms, while others have many. Some of the more common symptoms of lupus include:

  • Achy joints (arthralgia)
  • Unexplained fever (more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit)
  • Swollen joints (arthritis)
  • Prolonged or extreme fatigue
  • Skin rash
  • Ankle swelling and fluid accumulation
  • Pain in the chest when breathing deeply (pleurisy)
  • A butterfly-shaped rash across the cheeks and nose
  • Hair loss
  • Sensitivity to the sun and/or other light
  • Seizures
  • Mouth or nose sores
  • Pale or purple fingers or toes from cold or stress (Raynaud’s phenomenon)

The majority of lupus patients are intolerant to sunlight:

  • The main way in which lupus sufferers can help themselves is to avoid sun exposure. This means covering up with long sleeves and trousers in the sunlight and wearing a hat if out in the sun for any length of time. The use of UV film on windows may also be necessary for those who are particularly sun-sensitive. If a rash develops that does not clear up rapidly then it should be reported to the doctor as soon as possible as a delay in treatment may result in scarring.

Scarring, always scarring… Even a simple stay in the sunlight could result in scarring! And these demanded cosmetic procedures again and again… How often did the media and general public laugh and call Michael weird when they saw him wearing long sleeves and trousers even on the beach? If I were in their place I would die of shame for what they said about him then and keep saying of him now.

A terrible thing about lupus is once a person falls ill with it, it NEVER goes away. Only some 6% of patients may have achieved that goal and Michael couldn’t fall into that category as his condition was aggravated by vitiligo as another autoimmune disease. This means he suffered from lupus till the end of his life.

See this question from a hopeful lupus patient and the flat “no” given to him by a doctor:

  • Q. “Does lupus always eventually go into remission?
  • A: The simple answer is no. The more complex answer is that, for the majority of patients, the disease is characterized by periods of flares (i.e., active disease) and periods where things are relatively quiescent (i.e., inactive disease). In the latter situation, quiescence is usually achieved with medication. Remission may be harder to define. One definition is that there are no symptoms, the patient is taking no medications, and all tests — including the antinuclear antibodies — become normal. In my study published 20 years ago, fewer than 6 percent of patients achieved that goal”.

When Michael died some of the media finally acknowledged that Michael was indeed ill with these diseases he always said he was ill with. Dr. Robert Lahita of the Newark Beth Israel Center was invited to Good Morning America on July 9th, 2009 and explained to Diane Sawyer that what all of us considered to be Michael’s “weirdness” was actually the natural result of his vitiligo and lupus:


We all knew how much psychological pain Michael had to go through due to media harassment, ridicule and unjust accusations but after learning how many maladies Michael had to fight and how much physical pain he had to put up with I will fully agree with Arnold Klein that Michael was one of the strongest persons we have ever seen:

KING: Do you think, Dr. Klein, that he could have done 50 concerts?
KLEIN: I think he was in great physical condition. I think the autopsy showed that he was in great physical condition.

And I think he was — you know, he was not this person without a nose that was portrayed initially in the press. The press has been hysterical and the press has been so sensational about me, about everything. There is no truth in the press anymore. I mean there’s no truth anywhere anymore in what you read.

So I think he was totally capable of doing this. But they wanted to show him as a meek individual. Michael was far from meek. Michael was probably one of the most talented, and strong people I’ve ever met.”

Michael was indeed one of the strongest persons all of us have ever seen. He went through 30 years of unheard of media harassment, was hounded as an animal, dealt with grave injustice every instance of his life and lived with the anguish of constant human betrayal – however he stoically faced it all and still managed to survive.

It was in these impossible circumstances that he managed to beat his addiction to Demerol which wasn’t his choice but was forced on him by irresponsible doctors who didn’t give a damn about the consequences of the drug they were giving him.

And now we have finally noticed that Michael also had to live with two terrible diseases which gave him extreme embarrassment and lots of physical pain, scars and suffering, all of which he concealed from us by his hat, wigs, umbrella and a smile.

Frankly I cannot even imagine that anyone could cope with so much in his life. No, none of us would have been able to take even a fraction of it – including those haters who boast that they are really tough guys in comparison with a ‘meek and pitible’ creature they think Michael Jackson was. No, if these ‘tough’ guys ever encountered a small fraction of what Michael had to go through, they would have broken down long ago and would be crying like babies in situations where Michael Jackson staunchly kept going –  dancing, singing, writing fantastic music and helping others to survive.

Will it be a decent question to ask now how many plastic surgeries Michael underwent after we learned about a double operation on his broken nose, scars from a burn on his scalp, texture expanders under his skin, cutting out balding spots in his hair, treating a butterfly rash on his face and taking away the thick crust from his head?

Will it be still okay to make fun of his nose now that we know that lupus could have resulted in a necrosis of his skin and probably cartilage which is probably why he often appeared in public with a tape on his nose?

Should we still doubt that by the year 2003 when Michael was interviewed by Bashir the most number of his cosmetic surgeries had been two or probably three – while the rest of them were devoted to minimising the damage done by the accident, lupus and the very limited number of  plastic operations proper he really had?

Even the above enumeration of Michael’s health problems shows that the number of surgeries, cosmetic procedures and other instances of necessary and unnecessary meddling with Michael’s health must have been innumerable – only I would like to look in the face of a person who will dare make nasty jokes after being confronted with so much human suffering.

And all those questions about “Michael having surgery out of “black self-hatred” somehow fall off by themselves too, don’t they?

Photo comparisons by Anne Valle

The photo comparisons made by Anne Valle show that there wasn’t any dramatic difference between the way Michael looked in the early 90s and the later years in his life – so I hope this will close the subject of the “50 plastic operations” he had.

Michael could have had 50, 100 or 200 cosmetic procedures due to his terrible skin condition but it doesn’t mean he was having that much plastic surgery!

The majority of it was just a necessity. Everything he did had a reason for it and was not done just for fun …

Let us be human and accept the truth of it at last.

Did he change that much? This experiment shows that the didn’t (

UPDATED March 5th, 2012 

Sanemjfan made the following addition to VMJ’s post:

Here is a video I recorded last week from a story on ABC’s 20/20 about America’s obsession with plastic surgery, and in it the doctor talks about some phony nonsense about blacks not wanting to “erase” their ethinic features because of the “Michael Jackson phenomenon”, and my good friend LunaJo67 combined it with a story from Nightline that aired shortly after he died where a very unprofessional doctor passes “judgement’ over MJ’s surgeries, and just goes overboad in her analysis!  They should all be ASHAMED of themselves! That doctor is the LAST person who should be judging the ways other look!

And here is a clip from “Life of an Icon” documentary where a doctor thoroughly explains the extent of MJ’s scalp burns, and the ballooning procedure used to treat it!

And here’s a photo to really put MJ’s scalp burns into perspective!



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  1. MAW permalink
    October 10, 2014 6:30 am

    Genetics is not like mixing coffee and cream. And that is what is so beautiful about it, IF PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD IT!!!!!!! I am so tired of people not believing those are Michael’s biological children! And I am surprised and shocked when someone of mixed parentage disputes the fact.

    I too come from a large family with mixed parentage, a true rainbow tribe. One child could have the deepest and darkest skin with jet black straight hair, another with the whitest skin with light eyes and beautiful golden Afro. Two look like either parent and as individuals, could be in public and people would “ASSUME” one was white and the other was black. The rest of the siblings are various shades and hair types, but we all look like we belong to our EXTENDED FAMILY from both sides, as it is not always apparent that we belong to our parents! This is the situation Michael Jackson and his children have.

    I remember the looks people had when I was child and father was holding my hand. They could not believe it. I am here to tell you BELIEVE IT!!!

    As far as proof, Prince looks like some of Michael’s older uncles on Joe’s side, who are not in the public eye, and he has already shown signs of vitillago (GENETICS). Paris looks like a younger Latoya (before Latoya’s crazy abusive husband/ manager made her have plastic surgery) but with her mother’s Debbie eye color and her hair has a natural thick curl. And Blanket has Michael’s eyes, period! Blanket also looks like Katherine too, they hold their mouth the same way and the side profile is amazing.

    Black is not always the dominate gene. You can have the darkest parent and whitest parent and still come out with a white baby or black baby or any combination of shades in between like my family.

    Michael Jackson was very aware and PROUD of his heritage. There are many who know this fact. Cosmetic surgery only happened once,to repair a broken nose, the others were medical reasons resulting from lupus. Does everyone with a nose job have a “self-hate ” issues? I say NO. As far as marrying white women, he was free to marrying whom ever he damn well pleased!!! That also doesn’t mean he did not date or love black women!!! He is so clearly not the only one in the entertainment industry who has done it (marrying white women or getting a nose job) When a white person or Jewish or middle eastern or Italian person get a nose job is it a “self-hate” issue? I don’t understand the obsession with him, HE HAD MEDICAL ISSUES NOT SELF-HATE ISSUES.

    Stop believing what you read in the media. My mother always said do not ASSUME to do so is MAKING AN “ASS” out of “U”&”ME”!!!!


  2. October 9, 2014 2:08 pm

    I think it’s just that we tend to get a little bit edgy on here, Sam.
    We can never really know if people are genuine or if they’re just haters of Michael trying to jerk our chains.
    I try my best to never respond to people in negativity, I always try to be reasonable in a discussion. You should never fight fire with fire.
    And I responded to you because I think you are genuine, in all honesty. Like I said, I’ve been where you are and will wonder about things like that.

    And I have thought more about your views.
    Through the years, as we know, Michael got a lot a stick for being black. And not just for being black, but for being the most successful celebrity, who happened to be black. Michael claimed he was targeted for his skin color. In effect, he would be ridiculed for his looks by the media, and his looks were that of a black man. Growing up, we know he felt ugly. He felt his nose was too big or he complained about his skin being too dark. So you think, oh! Isn’t a blessing for him that he fell and broke his nose and received surgery for it, fixing his problem? Or, oh! Isn’t it a blessing that he developed vitiligo, fixing his issues of being too dark a shade of colour?
    You’d think, are these just amazing coincidences, or cover stories he made up?

    But as we know, from his medical records, they weren’t cover stories. He really did fall and break his nose and he really did have vitiligo.
    So now, we’re left with some interesting thoughts? Was braking his nose and was his vitiligo just prayers comes true for the unhappy Michael? Or were the tales of him hating everything about himself just made up by whoever said them?
    There are plenty myths surrounding Michael and he never really spoke up about them. He either allowed it, or more plausibly, he had absolute zero control of what was said about him.
    Did he really hate his face? Did he really hate being black?

    If the vitiligo hadn’t affected him, I don’t think any sort of surgery would’ve continued. You have to remember for starters, some treatment he was receiving, broke down the cartilage in his nose. So he would have to keep getting that sorted out.

    But why so much surgery? It was the vitiligo. I genuinely believe that. Did he want to go white? I don’t believe so. He had no choice but to go with the flow, because there was nothing that could be done.
    I’ve seen pictures of black folk with vitiligo and it’s very sad. They don’t look “normal”, do they? And for the biggest celebrity in the world, this would pose a huge problem.
    So, the surgery was designed to give Michael a “white” man’s face. Or at least his face was constructed to look as “normal” as he could, under the circumstances. He needed to look perfect as possible, it was extremely important for Michael personally, and for his celebrity image.
    I say this, because I can relate. I’m not entirely happy with my own image. I can look in the mirror and want to change some things. There’s really nothing wrong, but just the littlest details that only WE see about ourselves,is what causes problems.
    And it does make you feel ugly. You can obsess over these things and it can cause major physical and mental problems. It becomes a major hinderance to your life. It can cause shyness, the feeling to withdraw yourself from social activities, because you feel unattractive and vulnerable to personal jabs, that would only make matters worse.
    The sunglasses, the whispery voice in public places, his avoidance of nightclubs and other adult social events, where they judge and discuss you. They are things to consider.

    I can’t say with 100% certainty what propelled Michael to obtain such surgery.
    In my honest opinion however, I believe the vitiligo is what worsened his issues with his appearance. That’s if he even had such severe problems as what people claimed about him. We never heard him say that.
    It’s what others around him said, while others say what I said, he wasn’t as bad as what they make out. Who you believe, it’s up to your own feelings.


  3. Sam Aritan permalink
    October 8, 2014 11:54 pm

    @newrodrigo: Thank you very much for replying in a rational manner to my queries. There may be some merit in the things you mentioned as possibilities. I suspect we’ll never really know. I was pleasantly surprised to get a thoughtful, measured answer.
    One of the two responses I received prior yours was accusatory of me personally, and then leapt angrily (and incoherently, I might add) into the realm of pedophilia – which I did not bring up IN ANY WAY! The other claimed to be “sorry for me” because I was so unenlightened and ignorant that I was “twisting” information.
    I spent some time reading your theories. I don’t necessarily agree with them as a whole, but I feel they are certainly plausible in some respects. Thus, I thank you for a reasonable discourse – it was helpful and gave me things to consider!


  4. October 8, 2014 9:16 pm

    @ Sam

    I believe you are making fair assumptions and points. Your questions are reasonable.

    I will often wonder at times about the paternity of Michael’s children. I believe Prince and Paris aren’t his, biologically. Blanket, I’m sceptical with him.
    But none of that matters. He raised them, and they called him ‘dad’.

    And like I said, I often wonder myself, what motivations would Michael have had to arrange this.
    Brooke Shields once said that he would talk about adopting kids with her. She’s got no reason to lie about that.
    It would’ve been a strange relationship for them to have if they weren’t together intimately and had a family together.
    Michael was straight and wanted kids, but why adopted?
    I think was it because he just wanted adopted children? But why? It’s a commendable thing to do of course, adopt. He even told Bashir that he was hoping to adopt and that was confirmed when the FBI obtained his personal computer. So, Michael was being honest.
    But why no desire of children of his own?
    Like you said, perhaps because he didn’t want to pass on his genetic makeup, in fear of his kids having the same health problems as he did. He put a lot of thought into finding the perfect healthy mother for Blanket.
    I don’t know what to think of him wanting to adopt because he hated being black and didn’t want his own children being just that. It’s bit of a stretch. There’s a lot of myth surrounding Michael’s supposed “hate” against his black heritage.
    I do believe the vitiligo would have had a psychological impact on him, whether he showed it or not. For that to strike him, when he was already caught up on his looks, would’ve been pretty bad. Michael let things get to him very easily, so I can imagine what sort of things would be going through his mind. It’s almost like a tragic loss of identity. But I think the only change in him was no longer caring about race. He most certainly never cared anyway, because he was prepared to adopt children with a white actress. Married white women.
    Yet, he was accused of having an affair with Whitney Houston a couple of year ago (and I believe this was confirmed by Bill Bray several years before that).
    And if that were true, he couldn’t have hated “black” folk as they often claimed, could he?

    And more importantly, Michael was not bothered by sex. Sex and relationships didn’t really matter to him. It was the welfare of his children. Why keep them covered for so long? Because he was just weird? If you believe that, then you’re wrong. No, he did it to protect them. Protect them from those that have hounded him down over the years. Perhaps he wanted children that looked nothing like him, because even back then, he had already put his thoughts into their lives? That he wanted NOBODY to recognise them because he wanted them to have NORMAL and HAPPY lives, something that he didn’t have.
    Michael thought above and beyond everybody else, because he set out to set himself apart from the rest of us. [I think his lonely and miserable childhood and religious background had a lot to do with this]
    It all seems plausible to me, but still, like all of us have, it’s just a theory.


  5. Sam Aritan permalink
    October 7, 2014 7:12 pm

    Well, firstly let me say I have never had the distinct displeasure of engaging with you on any forum of any type, if you always use the name ‘lynande51’. And I have never been on any MJ-specific forums in the past. I read THIS blog, had a question and initiated proceedings to ask it. Pretty simple. I had a pretty good idea of what kind of tide I was going to be swimming against, but your response was quite unexpected. Your wild accusations could not be more unfounded.
    I am everything I said I was, have gone by no other moniker than “Sam Aritan” on comment boards, EVER. However, I did post a couple of book reviews on Amazon under “Grand Duchess Marie” a few years ago, relating to books on the topic of Tsar Nicholas II and his family. The point is, I am not a ‘troll’ and do not possess multiple accounts with which to poke sticks into angry anthills. Not my bag, you see.
    You can assign as many evil intentions as you wish to me, but you will always be BARKING…up the wrong tree, I mean.


  6. lynande51 permalink
    October 7, 2014 11:14 am

    Every time I see someone coming up with the terms mulatto and quadroon I think of one person or type of person that uses words to instigate discord on MJ forums all over. I can think of one in particular that liked to use those terms.
    I find it surprising that your group is so fixated on proving Michael hated his color and genetically engineered his children. Why is that so important to people like you? Yes I said like you.
    I will tell you why. Because someone somewhere in their twisted mind has made the following absurd connection:
    “Michael Jackson’s children are not his own because he did not have sex with women so he asked for sperm donors and had Debbie impregnated. He did not have sex with women because he only had sex with boys”
    Am I right? Of course I’m right and I’m also right when I say that you are not 52, are not mixed race and are in fact just you, back again.
    “in and of itself”
    A favorite line of one of the same old, same old crowd butting in with a proxy server where she doesn’t belong.

    Trying to get a discussion going on the parentage of MJ’s children? What is so important about that now if you are so convinced that he was not their biological father? Why does that even matter at this point?
    I’ll tell you why? This one believes that the DNA on the bed was all from semen and that can prove that MJ was a pedophile.
    To bad the writer of that particular hate piece knows nothing of human development?


  7. Sam Aritan permalink
    October 7, 2014 8:06 pm

    Ah, I thank you for your pity but it is wasted on me, I’m afraid. As for the questions you asked of me, one of only a few people that could actually answer them with true knowledge is, tragically, dead. And the others aren’t talking in any substantive, direct manner.
    I will say this much: As far as being the father of those three children, MJ was performing every IMPORTANT function of fatherhood and performing it well, conscientiously and with great love.
    As for being the biological father (which is the easiest part, frankly) it is pretty obvious to me that he isn’t. I’m very confident that science would back me up, but the involved parties remaining aren’t asking for that. Probably because they already know exactly what the truth is. And it really doesn’t matter because the result was satisfactory to all.
    My question was more about why it seems (to me, anyway, and I’m not the only one by a long-shot) that a real consideration was made to ensure that the children had no discernible elements of “blackness” in their overall appearance and features. I did mention previously that one possible reason to not use his own sperm was to avoid passing on some of the illnesses that plagued him. But I also suspect that he didn’t want to inflict his original nose (that he hated so much and was the cause of much teasing and misery in his formative years) onto the face of one of his beloved offspring. That nose was pretty genetically dominant (in varying widths) amongst all the primary Jackson clan and nearly all members have altered it into a distant memory – some quite as dramatically as MJ did. (Think LaToya)
    These are merely my observations and not intended to incite a riot.
    If it will make you feel any better, I was horrified to learn of MJ’s medical sufferings throughout his adult life and the resulting psychological traumas that developed. They were only made broadly known after his untimely death. It certainly gives one pause, I’ll grant you that much. But, for me, it’s a huge leap from understanding some of the stranger behaviors and decisions to actual deification. I’m unwilling to make that leap.


  8. susannerb permalink*
    October 7, 2014 10:38 am

    @Sam Aritan: I feel sorry for you because you apparently have very narrow preconceived opinions about MJ which you are not willing to change. Research about MJ requires an open mind and a readiness to differentiate and see things in context.

    Your questions require counter questions:
    How do you know MJ “selected” sperm donors? Where you present to know who gave the sperm? How do you know he did NOT give his own sperm?
    Why should he use certain “gene pools” when the color of the skin was not important to him, and why does this contradict his not distancing from his black heritage? Debbie Rowe became the mother of 2 of his children because she was there as a good friend at the time and offerered him to get his children, and not because he wanted a certain color or feature. (BTW, he sang in Black or White: “I don’t want to spend my life being a color”!) Skin color was completely unimportant to him.

    When you say you “decided to let the chips fall where they may” and that you “wasn’t going for a certain “look” when I bore my kids”, how do you know that MJ did not exactly do the same?
    How do you know “that there was something he DID NOT WANT to see in his children, if he could find a way to have any”? What’s clear about that? Where you there and talked to him about it?

    Why do you ridicule MJ for his look when you know about his diseases? And how do you know about “psychological disorders” – especially when all of his friends say he was completely normal? And even if this should be true, why do you judge him for that? You even admit that you don’t know “from whence they came” and still judge him. Do you think this is a fair attitude? Would you do that to anybody else who suffers from “psychological disorders” – judging him/her without knowing reasons and without knowing him personally? Why not at least give him the benefit of a doubt – especially when you consider what he went through in life?

    And BTW, we never claimed that MJ had no “plastic surgery/treatments in any way, shape or form, ever”. We know that he had his nose corrected, but not to the extent the media claimed it, because most of the later nose surgeries were reconstructive due to Lupus. This was confirmed by doctors who treated him and saw his medical records. And we also know that he had treatments with Botox etc. We never denied that. Didn’t you read this post – and others on this blog dealing with the same subject? So why do you twist the facts?


  9. Sam Aritan permalink
    October 4, 2014 4:37 am

    I would like to pose a few questions regarding this lengthy absolution of MJ’s own responsibility for ANYTHING “medical” that affected his life and its resulting position that MJ did NOT engage in ethnic plastic surgery/treatments in any way, shape or form, ever. Here’s the question, with some follow-ups:
    If MJ was NOT trying to distance himself from his “black” heritage, why did he not select a black (or, better for his purposes, a Mulatto male – he might get light-colored eyes, lighter skin and more manageable hair from what, in the ol’ South, would be called “quadroons”) sperm donor for ANY of his 3 children? Or, even more logical, use his own sperm to artificially inseminate his chosen child-bearing vessel(s)? Do you all actually believe these kids are related to him in any genetic capacity? If you do, you are engaging in magical thinking. I ask this because, as you all should know, there are several African nations that have rather refined features, based on an Anglo-Saxon standard (Somalia and Ethiopia come to mind). Why not utilize those gene pools if you have unlimited resources and actually want “black-ish” children? Anyone care to field this one?

    And before you all go insane and attack me – please recognize that I acknowledge the possibility that he did not wish to pass along lupus/vitilago to another generation (is there a genetic component?). That does not preclude using a sperm donor that approximates his own personal heritage, does it?

    I am myself a mulatto woman. My children are quadroons. One of them has ice-blue eyes. The other’s eyes are the deepest brown, but his skin is as pale as…well, the latter day MJ. They are a glorious mix of black/white – a tad heavier on the white, I suppose. But I wasn’t looking for a white man to marry and procreate with, in and of itself. I happened to fall in love with the gentlemen for who he is and decided to let the chips fall where they may. I’m not denying reality, my genetic material was what it was and it was a crap-shoot, had I really thought about it. But I wasn’t going for a certain “look” when I bore my kids. This is the thing that bugs me about you apologists, you see. It’s clear that there was something he DID NOT WANT to see in his children, if he could find a way to have any. And that’s a shame.

    I am 52 and when I was 9-10 yrs old, I had ‘Tiger Beat’ pull-out posters of MJ and Donny Osmond all over my bedroom walls. In my dreams at the time, either one would have been a perfect boyfriend for me. Didn’t matter which, because they were both so cute and talented and perfect, THAT MJ (with his hated broad nose) was much cuter and more real than the whittle-nosed, silky-weaved, alabaster-skinned stranger I grew to see in my (and his) later years. The talent was still there, certainly, but OMG! what a bundle of obvious psychological disorders accompanied it. I don’t know from whence they came – but you folks think you do. And it was never from HIM, right? Well, I don’t agree. He wasn’t a victim over the long haul – he was running his own show in the end. The whole thing is beyond sad, beyond tragic.


  10. lynande51 permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:35 pm

    And like Susannerb said nice try. It would have been better if you had not asked MJ Facts about what they think 3 days before you came here. Were they able to give you an answer?


  11. Angie permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:06 am

    Thank you. You are the best. I appreciate it :) <3.


  12. lynande51 permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:31 pm

    Angie actually the lyrics both above and below those tell a little but more about it and I read an analysis of it by Joe Vogel in Huffington Post. I will leave the link to the article.
    Another thing I take into consideration when I read his lyrics is what he is living through at the time. That is what stimulates most poetry which is what lyrics are.
    At the time he wrote this song he had gone through rehab for pain killer addiction, been through the allegations and was married to Lisa.It was later in their marriage and they were not getting along mostly because Lisa was afraid that he was using the drug again.This led to arguments between them and he was hurt that she did not believe him.
    He also write openly about the good feeling they give you. He also is angry about all of the rumors that circulate about him and what they say.
    That is my take on the lyrics and Joe Vogel’s take on the song as a whole. I hope it helps.


  13. Angie permalink
    September 30, 2014 11:21 pm

    Thank you. I tried to find a topic where I could ask this question, but I couldn’t find one, and this post was the best related of what I was asking about, so I posted here.

    Again, thank you for your help, I appreciate it <3.


  14. susannerb permalink*
    September 30, 2014 3:59 pm

    Angie, nice try, but Helena is not here at the moment and her concerns are in a different place right now than in dissecting Michael’s music. The focus of this blog is not the interpretation of Michael’s art. We have another blog of fellow MJ advocates who are specialized in the interpretation and analysis of Michael Jackson’s art. So I suggest you turn to the “Dancing with the Elephant” blog with your questions. It’s not even necessary to write a post about “Morphine” because they already have talked about the song in this conversation and give a lot of very good explanations:

    I hope this is of help for you.


  15. Angie permalink
    September 28, 2014 10:31 pm

    Helena, before I say anything, first let me say this, please don’t assume I’m a troll because I’m not, I’ve been a fan of MJ sense I was 9 years old, a die-hard fan. I love Michael Jackson so much. So let me clear that out for you before you assume I’m a troll. I ask questions out of concern because I love Michael Jackson.

    Okay Helena, I have a question regarding MJ’s ‘Morphine’ song, I have to say it’s very troubling in my opinion, I really don’t like the song at all though it sounds beautiful on the slow part. Anyway, I’m literally begging you Helena, yes, literally begging you to do a post on MJ’s ‘Morphine’ song, because some of the lyrics I really don’t like and don’t know what MJ meant by them.

    In MJ’s morphine song it has these lyrics:

    You got place baby
    Kicked in the face baby
    You hate your race baby
    You’re not the liar

    What did MJ mean by saying “You hate you’re race baby”? And after that he says “You’re not the liar”. What does he mean by “You’re not the liar”?

    Can you please do a post on this song Helena? Please. Thank you <3.


  16. J5master permalink
    July 25, 2014 7:49 pm

    Every one should read this article. I’m a long time fan who never believed any of the stuff they wrote about MJ but this article puts it all in perspective, even for me. I always knew MJ was strong, but this really captures just HOW strong. WOW!


  17. Anthonia permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:28 pm

    As a former fan who believed some of the stories out there, it is with shame that I write this. I am suffering from an autoimmune disease and started researching lupus. The minute I saw one of Micheal’s pictures I knew he had it…it was already too late…He was dead. I can say having an autoimmune disorder is no joke and unfortunately for people in the limelight, there is always someone prepared to make money out of you. if you die or lose your money, they move on to the next victim. Unfortunately for Micheal, allegations of abuse never goes away as only 2 people can really say what went on. If this were not involved, I am sure there would have been a credible journalist willing to make a documentary cataloging his illness and subsequent consequences. If he was innocent (i am not making a judgement on the case), I hope one day the accusers can look within themselves to come forward.


  18. anny permalink
    March 22, 2014 10:41 am

    To JaJa, this is the kind of stuff that eventually put Michael in a very marginalized and vulnerable position. So he was isolated from his family and friends and surrounded by people who care nothing about Michael as a human being but a money maker. No one is perfect. Karen Faye is a friend and long time employer of MJ, Pearl Jr is a loyal fan of MJ who was there to support Michael during his trial, They all have their own opinions and their way to love Michael….and remember Michael. And Michael loves his family, esp his parents. His mother taught him compassion and Christian values, and his father taught him to be a tough and badass man. Because of his father, he was strong enough to fight against injustice in the media and in American society and judicial system. By the way, the main message of Michael Jackson is to unite people to do something good for our future generations( ie our children). He loves everyone including people who are not even kind to him. He started with himself and his own family and he befriended with other families, trying to bring people together.


  19. Ja Ja permalink
    May 8, 2014 9:07 am

    She said it was something she did. But she was very appalled at it, indicating that it must’ve been a lie, and she stated it led to Michael firing Karen, if I remember that correctly.


  20. Angie permalink
    May 8, 2014 12:08 am

    Ja Ja, did Pearl Jr. tell you what Karen said about MJ was a lie, or did she just say it was something Karen did?


  21. Ja Ja permalink
    October 6, 2013 10:27 am

    First of all, I have to apologize for bringing this up. It might be disturbing on several levels. The thing is, I once started skimming through that Kindle book Pearl Jr. published shortly after Michael passed, and she has a whole lot of negative things to say about Karen Faye. Okay, that is mutual, as we know… Anyway, she claims that she has seen emails in which Karen claimed Michael had been taught by his parents to dislike his race… I wrote Pearl an email, and she told me Karen was spreading that kind of stuff about Michael when she wasn’t getting paid. I have never had the nerve to ask Karen about it… She is just way too sulky and arrogant for my taste. However, I’d be interested to know whether anybody HAS ever confronted her about it.


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  23. Angie permalink
    September 21, 2013 3:07 pm

    Beautifully said Helena. Well, eventually one day you will be completely well. We’re praying for you always. God bless you <3.


  24. September 21, 2013 12:33 pm

    Angie,thank you for the good wishes. Out of all your recommendations getting plenty of rest is the most difficult task because the trial is going on and is drawing to its finale – so it needs a certain concentration of attention now. When it is over the only thing that will remain for me will be to analyze several testimonies and then I will probably consider my mission over.

    It is then that I will try to take care of myself and other Michael’s followers will hopefully take his legacy further. There are so many ways to implement Michael’s hopes, and so many spheres of life to be daring and innovative and be pioneers in. Much work and lots of changes need to be made in our respective parts of the world – all in MJ’s spirit and all of them for the sake of God’s final triumph.

    Now we know how much one person only is capable of doing, don’t we?


  25. Angie permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:50 am

    Helena I know how you feel, well at least to some degree. I broke my right arm in 2006, including my right hand, and I was right handed, so you can imagine how hard that was to do anything. I was in such pain. I got a cast on my arm, and I was suppose to have surgery on my hand, but I was too afraid because I never had an operation before. When my arm eventually healed, my hand didn’t because I didn’t have an operation on it like I was suppose to. With me being young, they said my hand would eventually heal even if you don’t get the surgery, in which it eventually did, thank God. But it took several months. So Helena, even if it takes several months for you to heal, you will eventually heal. And if you eat a healthy diet like raw fruits and vegetables, drink plenty of fresh water, and get plenty of rest, you will be well in no time. I heard raw ‘Turmeric’ is extremely good for inflammation, one of the best things out there for inflammation. We’ll keep you in our prayers Helena for a speedy recovery. God bless you <3.


  26. September 21, 2013 10:05 am

    HI HELENA!!!!!!! I MISSED YOU:)- Tatum
    “Hello Helena! You’re back! We missed you. I’m glad you’re well now.” – Angie

    Thank you, girls, but I am far from well yet. My both hands are still in a cast and only fingers are working. There will be a long recovery period with a spike to be taken out of my arm. The left arm will take months to recover, but with the trial being in the final stage I cannot wait that long. So today I’ve tried to gather information for the last week of testimonies there and will hopefully make a post with minimal comment on my part – just to see where we are.


  27. Angie permalink
    September 21, 2013 12:19 am

    Hello Helena! You’re back! We missed you. I’m glad you’re well now. We appreciate you for all your hard work in vindicating MJ. You helped us learn truth on MJ, and we love you for it <3.

    And yes, I agree regarding people to express their views on MJ, and letting them show their true selves to the other readers. But they too have the opportunity to read all the materials provided in this and other blogs about MJ’s lupus, Vitiligo, his burn and back injury, etc. And if they choose to still stick to crazy stereotypes or not read anything but still repeat their mantras, in both cases, I also agree to give them all the rope to hang themselves with, lol.

    Anyway, we're so happy you're well again. God bless you <3.


  28. September 20, 2013 4:20 pm

    “‘MaxPayne’ I was only asking a question. I don’t know if he was a victim or not. You shouldn’t even come here if you don’t like MJ. Why did you type in ‘Vindicating Michael Jackson’ and leave a comment if you do not like him, and believe the media lies? Go else where if you feel that way about MJ.”- Angie

    Angie, I allow everyone to express their views on MJ unless they call him a ped-le and I don’t drive people away from here.

    When people read all the materials provided in this and other blogs about MJ’s lupus, vitiligo, his burn and back injury or testimonies from Dr. Richard Strick, the doctor working for the government in 1993/94 who reviewed Michael’s medical records and said MJ’s all nose surgeries were due to complications from lupus – and after reading all that they are still saying a lot of nonsense – well, let them show their true selves to the other readers.

    If they read all information and still stick to crazy stereotypes, this is one grave case. If they choose not to read anything but still repeat their mantras this is another grave case. In both cases I prefer to give them all the rope to hang themselves with.


  29. Angie permalink
    September 19, 2013 8:31 pm

    ‘MaxPayne’ I was only asking a question. I don’t know if he was a victim or not. You shouldn’t even come here if you don’t like MJ. Why did you type in ‘Vindicating Michael Jackson’ and leave a comment if you do not like him, and believe the media lies? Go else where if you feel that way about MJ.

    This site is for the vindicating of MJ, diminishing the lies said about him, etc. And no, his disease did not cause him to get a nose job. He had a nose job before the disease. But I do know that after he got Lupus, that may have been the cause of other nose jobs. Either way, no matter how many nose jobs MJ got, he wasn’t trying to be white. All of his siblings got nose jobs, and they’re not trying to be white. You don’t here the Press and Media lies and rumors about MJ’s siblings trying to be white, that’s b/c they have black skin. Well, MJ was just the same before he got Vitiligo. No one ever said that MJ was trying to be white, not until after he got Vitiligo, so be quite. And the reason why MJ’s nose job turned out the way it did, b/c he had a too wide of a nose. The only way to make that too wide nose any smaller was to narrow it down, how else would he be able to narrow it down? So it wasn’t that he was trying to have European features, he just trying to achieve a smaller nose. Narrowing the nose down was his only option to make his nose any smaller b/c his nose was too wide. I swear MJ is so misunderstood.

    And it should tell you something when MJ got other nose jobs after he had already had the narrow nose look. MJ wasn’t trying to have European features, he was trying to have a smaller nose, which is why after he had already had the narrow nose look, he got a couple more nose jobs. Not because his nose was still wide, but he felt it was still large, which is why he may have got that upward look of the nose, b/c he felt his nose was still to big by it being to long like Pinocchio. Yes, MJ had a couple of nose jobs, but I believe the rest had to do with having Lupus. This is why MJ said he only had 2 nose jobs, b/c those 2 were for beauty purposes, while all the rest were for repairing due to Lupus.

    MJ wasn’t stupid, he knew he didn’t look appealing after all those plastic surgeries, which is why he said “I look like a lizard, I look like, it’s horrible. I don’t like it, I never like it. That’s why I wish I could never be photographed or seen and I push myself to go to the things that we go to”. So there you have it. This is why I believe MJ wasn’t getting those other nose jobs for beauty purposes, except for the first 2, but for repairing purposes due to Lupus.

    If MJ looked like he did with Thriller, no one would of ever said he was trying to be white, no matter how many nose jobs he got. It’s b/c of his skin condition, Vitiligo, which is why people said MJ was trying to be white, an that he could not help. It was confirmed in MJ’s autopsy that MJ had Vitiligo. You either believe the Press and Media, or the Pathologist who actually checked MJ’s dead body. I don’t care what you say, I know the truth and so does the rest of his many fans. I really don’t care what you believe, that’s your opinion, and you are entitled to your opinion, just as I. Nice talking to you. Goodbye. :)


  30. MaxPayne permalink
    September 19, 2013 5:38 am

    what about his nose then … did the dieseas also forced him to Change his appearence? … just silly to see someone liek him as kind of an victim, he was like every Popstar, rich, arogant, perverted … thats what Money lets you become


  31. Angie permalink
    September 13, 2013 4:51 pm

    ‘Helena’, after watching this video, oh my gosh, I don’t know what to think. This is crazy. Do you think MJ was infected with vitiligo!?


  32. August 19, 2013 8:05 am

    “I am wondering if anyone else has *verified information about Randy Phillips car being found at the scene of the murder in the morning before authorities were called. This has come up with people attending the trial. Also what ever happened to the delio emails/hard drive?” – Mary

    Mary, I haven’t heard anything yet, so am afraid that AEG cleaned Frank Dileo’s computer inside out. But look, the very fact that they took his computer into their possession and erased a lot there shows that they have a lot to hide. When you are honest you are not afraid that a third party’s computer will do you any damage. Isn’t it even strange that a person dies and someone comes and takes his computer away? And then assumes the role of this person’s attorney though his widow never asked for it? She was amazed to learn that Mr. Putnam was representing her interests at one point.

    “I feel that more will revealed as to exactly what happened and who was behind it. I also feel that Michael wants this information out and his children unburdened. And safeguarded from the same element that surrounds them now”

    I feel the same.


  33. mary permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:28 pm

    God I love you guys! You post the best, most thorough information!!! I am new to posting so please excuse..this is off topic. I am wondering if anyone else has *verified information about Randy Phillips car being found at the scene of the murder in the morning before authorities were called. This has come up with people attending the trial. Also what ever happened to the delio emails/hard drive? I feel that more will revealed as to exactly what happened and who was behind it. I also feel that Michael wants this information out and his children unburdened. And safeguarded from the same element that surrounds them now,

    As per the topic, yes he had lupus and numerous afflictions he chose not to make public. And no Katherine did not know close to everything. He suffered in silence and never raised his sword against his enemies. God bless him!!!


  34. lynande51 permalink
    August 18, 2013 8:47 am

    Kaarin there is a possibility that Michael was given Plaquenil an anti malaria for a flare of his discoid lupus. Plaquenil is used to treat a flare in almost any auto immune disorder from Lupus to Chron’s disease to Rheumatoid arthritis so it could have been given for his discoid lupus.


  35. Greet permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:09 am

    Carol, Mrs Jackson absolutely does not recall everything about Michael, and I am even sure she does not know every detail of his life either, far from it.


  36. August 17, 2013 9:37 am

    Yes,Lyn,SLE is a very serious illness.Somehow from somewhere I have the impression that Michael was given this anti-malarial medication used to prevent or medicate SLE.
    People with DLE have a 5% risk of developing SLE.Michael had “dancers feet” and some problems with his joints.Artrithis or arthrosis. Dr. Mezger treated those for him.


  37. lynande51 permalink
    August 17, 2013 8:28 am

    Here is a link to a photo of a Keloid scar.


  38. lynande51 permalink
    August 17, 2013 8:24 am

    The ‘blister on my lungs” was pleurisy. That was confirmed by Michael himself in Moonwalker.
    If Michael Jackson had SLE in his respiratory system he would never have been able to perform the way he did during the Dangerous and History tours. Each time he would have pushed himself to that extent it would have brought on a “flare” and he would not have been able to continue with those tours past the first day.
    Michael had something called a Keloid scar which is raised, thick and tight. This type of scar is more prevalent in people with dark skin.
    I think the article was well researched and Debbie Rowe’s testimony back up everything that has been said about Michael’s skin. He had acne with scarring, he filled those scars with collagen or Klein did. He had DLE which would be exacerbated by surgeries and would require even more treatment and that seem to be exactly what happened. The only thing that is missing in this post is a photo of a keloid scar so people have an idea what they look like.


  39. August 17, 2013 5:28 am

    I recall that when Michael was making the movie, The Wizard of Oz he made the comment:; I have a blister on my lung.That could have been what? SLE?


  40. carol permalink
    August 17, 2013 1:52 am

    You really need to do proper research if you want to post something of this nature and mostly before you reply to questions….If you read the autopsy report it stated MJ had lupus in his lungs it just isn’t in Arnie Klein’s reports….Also as far as his surgery’s his first nose job was cosmetic..his mother has said and I tend to believe she knows better then any of us also according to the autopsy MJ had many surgeries from a facelift to liposuction…. I would believe that vs photos…If your going to go to put so much time into defending MJ please get the correct information


  41. June 5, 2013 6:24 am

    “But my question is, why was it not documented in his autopsy that MJ had Lupus, if he had it? It was documented that he had Vitiligo in his autopsy, why not Lupus?” – Angie

    Because lupus does not display itself in an obvious manner. It masquerades as many other diseases (athritis, for example) and to be able to find it it’s necessary to make a good deal of very complicated tests. It is not something you see with a naked eye, like vitiligo. It often takes years to diagnose it. For Dr. Rogers to find it he must have made a series of special tests – biopsy of Michael’s skin (as Klein did when he diagnosed it), special blood tests, etc.

    Discoid lupus was in Klein’s medical records and verified by Dr. Richard Strick in 1993 when he was doing it at the request of Sneddon. It was Richard Strick who told us that further operations on Michael’s nose had to be made because of complications due to lupus. And the fact that later Michael was treated by Dr. Metzger, a specialist on systemic lupus, makes me think that Michael’s problem with lupus was deeper than the discoid one.

    Lupus displays itself not as a specific disease – it is simply a reason for other diseases. In the same way if during the autopsy cancer is found no one will look for a reason that it mught have started due to some parasites, radiation or the immune system being damaged due to prolonged stress.


  42. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:34 pm

    ‘Helena’, Please disregard my pervious comment asking why MJ never mentioned that he had Lupus, I did not see my comment or your response to my comment. I clicked on ‘newer comment’, and that’s where I found my comment and your response.I apologize. I hate when simple mistakes happen like this, it’s annoying, lol.

    But I do have one more question, because the question I asked previously wasn’t fully answered. I totally agree with you, when you said MJ did not want to disguss his vitiligo because it was personal to him, and he would only be ridiculed for it. That’s why he took so long to tell the world he had vitiligo, because of that very reason.

    But my question is, why was it not documented in his autopsy that MJ had Lupus, if he had it? It was documented that he had Vitiligo in his autopsy, why not Lupus?


  43. Angie permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:14 pm

    ‘Helena’, can you explain why no one ever documented MJ’s Lupus? And why it wasn’t confirmed in MJ’s autopsy? Lastly, why MJ never mentioned that he had Lupus?


  44. TatumMarie permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:09 am

    Also, it was none of the worlds businesss what illnesses Michael suffered. The only reason he told us about the vitiligo was because it was very noticeable. On the Oprah interview, he told her he didnt want to go into his medical history because thats something private.


  45. June 4, 2013 1:35 am

    “MJ himself never even mentioned that he got Lupus, why?”

    Angie, Michael was a shy young man. It took him some ten years or so to acknowledge Vitiligo – he mentioned it only in 1993 many years after it started (sometime during Thriller), and you expected him to acknowledge Lupus too? Speaking about all these illnesses is a very personal thing.

    And what’s the point? No one would have sympathized with him anyway. They would have only ridiculed him for it. Tabloids would have arranged polls asking questions “Do you believe that Wacko Jacko has lupus”? People would have demanded proof.

    What was he to do? Show the crust on his head which was forming due to Lupus? Point at the butterfly mark on his cheeks to prove it? Or even say that it is due to lupus that he has problems with his nose and was probably having necrosis there? Or that his balding spot was not healing due to Lupus? And admit that he was balding and had scalp surgery at all? And was given painkillers because of that?

    With so many health problems Michael was indeed facing and so much animosity towards him, I perfectly understand why Michael preferred to keep silent about it. No one would have believed him anyway and all these useless explanations are extremely humiliating. They would have only added more derogative names to him and that would be it.

    Wacko Jacko. Freak. Monster. And so on and so forth. None of us know what it’s like to see every paper and TV show speaking about you that way for years. It is impossible even to imagine.


  46. Angie permalink
    June 3, 2013 8:15 pm

    Great article! I know this is an old article, but it hasn’t been read by many people such as myself. I know for sure that MJ had Lupus and Vitiligo, but why were MJ’s vitiligo acknowledged, and not his Lupus? MJ himself never even mentioned that he got Lupus, why?


  47. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 23, 2013 2:08 am


    “Of course there was a lot of racism in the media’s attitude towards Michael.”

    Yes, but I was not talking about the media for once I was talking about some people who liked MJ when he had dark skin but ignore his other work just because he was not dark skinned anymore.


  48. February 21, 2013 11:24 pm

    “Imagine refusing to show Michael’s videos like Smooth Criminal, BAD, Black or White and many more because of his skin color it makes me question the motives of people who think like that and the ones who refuse to acknowledge those pieces of art just because of his skin color”.

    Of course there was a lot of racism in the media’s attitude towards Michael.


  49. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 21, 2013 11:14 pm


    Yes and if you were a fan of Michael;s because of his artistry then the way he looked should not matter to those people.

    Imagine refusing to show Michael’s videos like Smooth Criminal, BAD, Black or White and many more because of his skin color it makes me question the motives of people who think like that and the ones who refuse to acknowledge those pieces of art just because of his skin color.


  50. February 21, 2013 12:46 am

    “If a white person who has straight hair curls her hair does that mean she is ashamed of being white? It is a stupid logic IMO.” – Truth Prevail

    Oh, absolutely! Thinking like that is overdoing the whole thing and creating only new dogmas.

    “What attracted them to Michael Jackson, Was it because he was a successful BLACK MAN or was it his TALENT. Is the question I would like to ask them.”

    Good question. Essentially it is about what is a priority in evaluating another human being – the color of his skin or his individual characteristics as a person – his talent, achievements, his way of thinking, system of values, everything that makes him a personality. Do I like him just for being black or the kind of a man he is? And if he were not that great a person would I still like him more than others just for being black?

    Whichever way they go these preferences (color, class, social standing, etc.) are no good. In the 20th century we also went through something similar, only it didn’t involve the color of skin, it involved the class a person belonged to and the family he was coming from.

    Working class people were pronounced inherently better than aristocrasy which had oppressed them for centuries, so after the revolution – and for decades too – the working class ‘background’ was chosen as a priority over individual characteristics of a person. In short it was better to be dumb and uneducated but working class, than clever and educated but come from a family of the nobility. After the civil war they were considered enemies who could disrupt the society and return it to where it was before. Practically Stalin’s regime and repressions were based on this idea.

    If you replace these class characteristics with the color of skin, this example will probably become clearer. There should come a time when no preferences at all should be made – in neither of the directions. Equal opportunities for all (crucial point) and only individual characteristics of a person that matter. To me it sounds like an ideal variant. Of course the world is still far from it, but this is how I would really like it to be.


  51. Truth Prevail permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:36 pm

    The thing is some people just love the idea of thinking MJ was ashamed to be black, If you prove them wrong with the Vitiligo then they they go for his hair or nose, even though he had nose surgery when he had dark skin.

    Personally I don’t see how changing your hair means you are going against your race I mean the people who do think that it is because you are ashamed of your race the same argument can be used against them. If a white person who has straight hair curls her hair does that mean she is ashamed of being white? It is a stupid logic IMO.

    I even came across a article which praised MJ’s Off The Wall & Thriller and it dismissed everything after that because in those eras he still “resembled a black man” The fact that this person/s also refuses to expose his stuff after Off The Wall & Thriller to their kids on the basis of because of Michael’s skin color to be honest says a lot about those people than Michael.

    What attracted them to Michael Jackson, Was it because he was a successful BLACK MAN or was it his TALENT. Is the question I would like to ask them.

    Because the way he looked to them should NOT matter, As long as he still brought out music and the amazing artistry THAT is what should matter.


  52. February 2, 2013 4:22 pm

    A word about Dr. Alan Metzger.

    He is a lupus specialist rheumatologist and focuses on immunology. I’ve found that his most cited publication is not on Discoid lupus (which Arnold Klein diagnosed Michael with), but on Systemic Lupus. So Dr. Alan Metzger is an immunology specialist on Systemic Lupus!

    Here is the title of the paper which he co-authored together with other scientists:
    “Telomere Shortening and Decreased Replicative Potential, Contrasted by Continued Proliferation of Telomerase-Positive CD8 +CD28 lo T Cells in Patients with Systemic Lupus Erythematosus

    The fact that Dr. Alan Metzger specilizes on Systemic lupus, was accompanying Michael Jackson practically his whole life and that both attended fund-raising events for lupus patients gives reason to suppose that Michael’s lupus was serious enough for Michael to seek help from a specialist on Systemic lupus. He could eventually develop this form of lupus which often happens to the discoid lupus sufferers. And it is only natural that being Michael’s doctor Dr. Alan Metzger would not speak about Michael’s medical problems – it is his speciality in immunology which speaks for itself.

    BEVERLY HILLS – OCTOBER 1: (L to R) Nicole Paxson, recording artist Michael Jackson, Dr. Allan Metzger and his grandson Kailen Metzger, age two and a half attend the Light the Way for Lupus Los Angeles benefit at the Beverly Hills Hotel on October 1, 2003 in Beverly Hills, California. The event was sponsored by the Lupus Research Institute. (Photo by Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)

    Here is just an idea of what Systemic Lupus is like:

    “A friend of mine was diagnosed with Lupus when she was in high school in the ’70s and almost died. She went to the Mayo Clinic and thankfully, was saved. Treatment involved lifelong consumption of daily cortisone and anti-inflammatory drugs and pain killers, which, in themselves, cause OTHER health problems… Two decades later, she almost died from a blister on her heel from wearing new shoes! The blister got infected and she almost had to have her leg amputated! After three weeks in intensive care, with the aid of intense medication and skin grafts, her body finally “re-booted” itself regarding the infection-fighting, but then she developed water in the lungs instead. Again, she almost died.

    These kinds of things happen to Lupus sufferers all their lives… The simplest things we take for granted as nothing, like a blister on your foot, can become life-threatening for someone with Lupus.

    While therapies have improved somewhat over the years, people with Lupus continue to be in a lot of pain most of their lives… and there is still no cure.”


  53. sanemjfan permalink
    January 11, 2013 7:11 am

    On Monday night, the girlfriend of the winning Alabama Crimson Tide quarterback AJ McCarron became an overnight celebrity after she was complimented by the game’s announcers. Katherine Webb is currently “Miss Alabama”, but she was bullied as a child due to her tall height, as well as having vitiligo.

    In this interview, she talks about how having vitiligo affected her, and how advances in the makeup and self-tanning industries help her hide it: Here’s her bio from the Miss Universe page, and her struggle with vitiligo is mentioned in the “fun facts” section at the bottom:

    Once the media found out about this, the comparisons to MJ were inevitable, as you would imagine because he’s obviously the most famous person to have vitiligo. However, a website called “The Daily Caller” made a snide and offensive remark by referring to vitiligo as “that Michael Jackson disease”. Can you image if someone was diagnosed with testicular cancer, and someone called it “that Lance Armstrong disease”? How disrespectful can you be?!!!


  54. December 20, 2012 5:37 am

    lynade51, at 5:39 ??? The video has just 4:41 minutes. But , I understand what are you sayin, the colors gives diferent perceptions of the dimensions.


  55. lynande51 permalink
    December 9, 2012 5:55 am

    Here is a video that comppiles several photos of Michael with the Cascio’s that were never seen before. if you pause it at 5:39 you can see that he nose was still dark which is what i was saying. due to the configurations of the vitiligo and the fact that his nose was still dark is the reason that Michael’s nose always appeared smaller.


  56. Susan M-S permalink
    December 8, 2012 10:20 pm

    Have any of you seen this piece in the Huffington Post. Tamar Braxton, Toni Braxton’s sister, has vitiligo. Some comments are good, but as usual, the same old ignorance is displayed by many. Why is vitiligo dismissed as not being real? So many have accused Tamar Braxton of “skin-bleaching”. You just can’t reason with those who will not see.


  57. December 7, 2012 11:18 am

    Here is a report about Michael attending the Lupus Fundraiser event. There is nothing extraordinary about it, but the comments following it are – these people know what they are talking of!

    Michael Jackson Attends Lupus Fundraiser
    Posted on October 2, 2003 by popdirt
    Michael Jackson was in attendance at an Evening of Love, Light and Laughter to Benefit Lupus LA and Lupus Research on Wednesday (October 1) at the Beverly Hills Hotel in Beverly Hills, California. Check out pictures from GettyImages and WireImage.

    Responses to Michael Jackson Attends Lupus Fundraiser

    Charles A. Derrow, MD says:
    June 25, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    It is clear that Mr. Jackson was unwell. If I head Lupus or any of the autoimmune disease’s, that, would have been a large target for bad things to happen. The man would have been in line for any of the inflammatory disease’s which are fellow carriers. It has been shown that Women with Lupus have a huge risk of stroke due to the inflammatory nature nature of disease. It should now be said that he looked sick and that his so called failure to show up or change course or to go to the Hospital. He was sick and he struggled mightily against his infirmities.
    He will be missed.

    Sam says:
    June 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    hi, I have been living with lupus also, and its difficult to say if MJ (RIP) was suffering from a flare in his last few days as it mimics so many symptoms. Also, we don’t actually know for sure what his diagnosis were? some say he had lung disease, fractures from dancing on stage, avoided sunlight etc..all point to a possible form of lupus, sle. I am hoping the autopsy is accurate and if this is the case that MJ has suffered from lupus as well as a heart attack, it will bring much needed publicity to the potential killing disease. It has completely ruined my life and I’m 24. Since finding out that MJ had lupus, I feel that I can relate to him on a completely different level, a sort of connection.
    RIP MJ

    Gillian Rowe says:
    June 30, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    I think that the ‘shame’ in all this is the ‘media spin’. Vitiligo alone can have profound psychological affects on mere mortals and I do not know how MJ delt with it as a Star? Likewise, people do not believe MJ had SLE, Lupus, or any underlying chronic health problem. I do, because it so explains a lot of his past. The media spun it for good news, while the reality was staring at everyone in the face, pardon the pun and they chose to ignore it. MJ is one month older than me, I have Psoriasis and Rheumatoid Arthritis, retired ten years ago. I could not do what MJ was expected to do! No I am not a ‘Fan’ just a person who lives with chronic incurable health conditions.

    Jocelyn says:
    July 8, 2009 at 11:43 pm
    I am a 30 year old female who was diagnosed with Lupus about 6 years ago. It took about 3 years to be properly diagnosed. I do remember my life before Lupus. I remember days without pain. I remember days where I had the energy to do what my mind wanted to do. I remember having a quick mind and sharp memory. Now I have what they refer to as Lupus Fog. Lupus affects every part of your life and every part of who you are. I wish that Michael would have opened up about this condition in order to raise awareness and understanding. I have found that very few people know about Lupus and those who do still don’t really understand it. Stress is a huge contributor to flares of Lupus. Once you are diagnosed, Lupus does not leave you. I must always take my medication. I am always in some pain and never who I used to be. Michael Jackson is now out of pain. God Bless him and his family.

    pat says:
    July 9, 2009 at 7:57 am
    had I known he had lupus, would have sent him a copy of “lupus underground” …it saved my life…

    ITHW54 says:
    July 9, 2009 at 11:03 am
    I am a Lupus patient, I understand everything Michael Jackson has gone through physically. Right now I can’t work because I am out on short term disability. It is a crazy disease. Hopefully, with his death more research will be done and more attention will be paid to it. Before I was diagnosed I had pigment change on my fingers, it eventually returned to the normal color. My daughter is now having pigment change on her toes.

    Ingrid says:
    July 9, 2009 at 2:06 pm
    I’m 36 female and I live with lupus too. So if MJ have had lupus it will explain a lot. RIP MJ

    Brenda says:
    July 10, 2009 at 9:19 pm
    I was diagnosed with lupus, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis about 5 years ago. My doctor gave me some reading information and it included information about Michael Jackson having lupus. Why aren’t we spreading the word about this life crippling disease. Yes, Michael did have a lot of changes made to his physical appearance but what celebrity hasn’t. He also was probably very much ashamed of how discord lupus makes you look. When I first heard of his death, I thought about the lupus first. I understand why he took so many meds. I have to take medication to get me going in the morning, then something to keep me going through the day, and then something to make me sleep. With lupus, lots of sleep meds do not work after a while. Please CNN, let the world know about this disease. Michael is gone now, leave him alone.

    Cynthia says:
    July 16, 2009 at 4:12 am
    My sister has Lupus. I have supported and watched her suffer for the past twenty years. Thank God she has excellent doctors and a very supportive husband. Lupus totally attacks your body and changes your life. I wish the media would focus on the overwhelming difficulties people with Lupus encounter. Life with Lupus is extremely difficult and is HELL. No one understands the pain unless they have walked in the shoes of a Lupus patient. My sister is in constant pain.

    …Michael must have been in overwhelming pain. But the media wants to focus on drug abuse and not rightly on ALL the different overwhelming factors this wonderful person faced everyday. Yet he gave so much to the world. His God given talent, which he used to reach out to mankind across the world like no other person on earth. He was so misunderstood. Micheal, RIP. The most caring and beautiful people, mankind seems to want to destroy. Evil, they let prevail. It’s strange. Again please CNN focus on the Lupus.
    This would be an excellent opportunity to enlighten the world on the impact of Lupus on countless millions of people who live with this terrible disease everyday. But of course, it will not sell or get the network rating like focusing on drug abuse.

    Valerie says:
    July 21, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    Thank you for sharing stories of Lupus unfortunately even after it has been shared that Michael Jackson suffered from Lupus the media wants to portray him as a drug addict. Maybe after all is said and done there will be good that comes out of this tragedy. May MJ rest in painless peace.

    Joanne Kontic says:
    August 24, 2009 at 9:29 pm
    hello everyone.
    I was diagnosed with lupus sle in 2005. A little after since I have been a Michael Jackson fan for a long time 1980′s thriller and all I have been feeling that he has had lupus. The only one that can tell if a person has it is if the person is going through it emotionally or physically. It is very challenging to your mind and body. If you get help you can survive. I felt Michael Jackson was feeling hurt and alone and people were after him and we wanted to be the best because of his poor child hood. if you have lupus you do want to be perfect because sometimes you have the urge that nobody is listening to you. I have that feeling sometime. But it can be controlled.
    It was hard to control with millions of fans good or bad following him day by day. We all need comfort by riches and or music to get away from the chaotic world.
    We will miss him… forever!

    adorashawn says:
    August 28, 2009 at 11:29 am
    I have heard of book that will becoming out in about a month or so. It is suppose to go into detail about Michael and Lupus and vitiligo. It also calls out the media and their portrayal of Michael. I think my friend said the name was Michael Jackson the Book the Media doesn’t Want You to Read. I can’t wait for it to come out finally some truth

    kibbiek says:
    November 13, 2009 at 11:41 pm
    My heart goes out to everyone who know someone or have Lupus. I myself never knew what this disease was until a month ago. I recently tested positive for ANA and doing more test to see if I have Lupus. My second test came out negative. Which I pray to god it stay that way. Stress do play a big role in this disease. I was hospitalized for four days, with a weak heart, lost 8 lbs in a little over a month. Before I retest the second time, I didn’t even look like myself. I looked ill and was weak. I couldn’t move my legs for 20 min in the hospital and had constant chest pain and I’m 28 yrs old. I pray god its not miss diagnosed. Even so, I can only imagine what MJ was going through. And its really sad to hear the media attack him even after he’s gone.

    Toosexyforu21 says:
    March 11, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    HEY Check THIS OUT!!!!! PEEPS

    ray fullman says:
    March 23, 2010 at 8:02 am
    I have had lupus for the past 14 years. I can attest to the fact of the constant pain, fatigue, weakness, and the over all feeling of helplessness. Lupus has caused 2 heart attacks, degenerative bone disease (I have had 2 hip replacements and a spinal fusion). I have severe skin disorders, I have copd, reynaulds disease, cellulitis, and am in constant pain. Like the writer above I have to take meds to begin my day, meds during the day, and meds at night. (16 pills a day). And still in constant pain.


  58. December 7, 2012 10:49 am

    Have you ever read the tribute that the Lupus LA organization posted on their website after MJ died?

    David, I knew that Michael attended the Lupus LA organization events together with his doctor Allan Metzger but didn’t know of their tribute to him. There was a photo of them together from Lupus Fundraiser to Benefit Lupus LA and Lupus Research with the following description:

    BEVERLY HILLS – OCTOBER 1: (L to R) Nicole Paxson, recording artist Michael Jackson, Dr. Allan Metzger and his grandson Kailen Metzger, age two and a half attend the Light the Way for Lupus Los Angeles benefit at the Beverly Hills Hotel on October 1, 2003 in Beverly Hills, California. The event was sponsored by the Lupus Research Institute. (Photo by Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)

    And now we find out that Michael was a spokesman for lupus patients! And a generous supporter too (no doubt he was)!

    Here is the tribute from the link you provided:

    Foundation News

    Condolences to the Jackson Family

    Lupus LA would like to express its condolences to the family of Michael Jackson. The pop legend was a generous supporter of our mission to serve the needs of people with lupus and their families in Los Angeles and across southern California by raising awareness, conducting advocacy and community outreach, and supporting novel lupus research on the national level.

    Michael Jackson at the organization’s “Evening of Light, Love and Laughter”
    gala on October 1, 2003.


  59. sanemjfan permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:19 am

    Have you ever read the tribute that the Lupus LA organization posted on their website after MJ died?


  60. December 3, 2012 12:32 am

    Michael himself spoke about the addiction that developed as a result of the burn and even went to a rehab.

    Hi Guys,
    Here’s the thing, there is a medical difference between an addiction and dependency. It’s very common to refer to one as the other but a dependency is not accurate. Michael’s dependency to pain killers started in 1993 after he had emergency reconstructive surgery on his scalp; instead of canceling the tour to heal sufficiently he became dependent on medicine to get him through it, something we already know. As a result, he had built a tolerance which still doesn’t have to be an addiction. Apparently Michael was indeed using these drugs for pain so the word addiction or addict cannot be used in any shape or form. When Michael spoke in the 93 video after being successful diagnosed he used the word dependency as well.

    Based on his lifestyle and evidence of pill bottles taken directly as prescribed or lesser than, found in 2003 I do not conclude that he was an addict or had an addiction. If I would blame anyone for this series of events it would probably be the Chandlers because emotional pain and stress always makes the physical pain worse.

    I think the mix up also came in when Liz Taylor made certain statements to the press regarding Michael. She compared him to herself in some of these statements, but the intake of medicine between her and Michael was completely different. Elizabeth Taylor abused drugs and alcohol for years despite the overdosing and issues with her health. I’ve also heard others like (Frank Cascio) make statements like “controlled addict” or “situational addict” when speaking about Michael but the two terms used contradict each other.


  61. December 2, 2012 4:54 am


    The Executors of Michael’s Estate were shocked to learn of the attempt to sell Michael’s medical records. Immediately upon the information being brought to their attention, the Estate’s lawyers were directed to send an appropriate letter to the auction house and are taking all steps possible to ensure that these private records remain private.


    The Official Online Team of the Michael Jackson Estate™


  62. December 2, 2012 1:58 am

    “That is not what my literature says Helena. Mine is from Lupus.Org and the American Academy of Plastic Surgeons. I know that you have your sources”

    I don’t have “my” sources – all the sources come from the Internet. And “your” literature does not recommend plastic surgery for lupus patients either. It does not rule it out in case of remissions but does not recommend.

    We are talking about the necessity for doctors to do no harm as the Hippocrates oath says it. Hoefflin saw all the harm from the first operation and nevertheless continued – this time with the skin expansion. It was unnecessary pain which lasted for months which required painkillers – and it was then that the addiction started.

    Unnecessary, harmful actions of a doctor – this is what brought about the addiction, and not the burn itself.

    “You are under some assumption that he did not advise Michael of the risks prior to anything he did. Why do you think he didn’t do his job?”

    Because it is the same case as Murray’s. A patient may implore for whatever he likes, but if it is the doctor who decides. However I doubt that Michael implored for all those long months of pain.

    P.S. It is astonishing for me to see your matter-of-fact attitude towards Hoefflin doing this madness to Michael. What we see here is months of suffering which could be very well avoided. And there would have been no addiction to Demerol (and probably Propofol too). We are looking into the very heart of the matter – however you prefer to stretch the truth for the only reason that it is told by Klein, even though it is proven now by independent sources like those documents and the photos.


  63. lynande51 permalink
    December 2, 2012 1:43 am

    That is not what my literature says Helena. Mine is from Lupus.Org and the American Academy of Plastic Surgeons. I know that you have your sources but if the very site that is recommended to people researching Lupus gives the advice that all of what was done to him by Hoefflin can be done. You don’t know what the rest of Hoefflin’s notes might say. You are under some assumption that he did not advise Michael of the risks prior to anything he did. Why do you think he didn’t do his job? The reason you feel that way is because of what Klein said and for some reason he is more believable than Hoefflin, why, I don’t know.


  64. lynande51 permalink
    December 2, 2012 1:34 am

    Helena it is really simple none of it would have had to be done if he wasn’t burned. It wasn’t anyones fault that this happened it was an accident.


  65. aldebaranredstar permalink
    December 1, 2012 11:48 pm

    About a facelift, I had 2 friends who had that done in Mexico, where it is a lot cheaper, and I was shocked at all the stitches, all around their eyes (horrible) and behind their ears –hundreds of them. They looked awful but it did eventually heal and I have to say they did look a lot younger afterwards, but having seen what they went through, I could never myself do it. One got an eye infection but it did get resolved.

    Thanks for this discussion of Michael’s lupus/vitiligo/burns, it is pretty technical but important to understand what he faced and how the drs. handled or mishandled it. Does Sullivan discuss the burns? I know he does the vitiligo and lupus. BTW, there is an except of his (crappy) discussion of the skin issues on the Root.


  66. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 10:51 pm

    SLE is an autoimmune disorder that affects the blood vessels. DLE does not.


  67. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 9:34 pm

    At least not in the sense you have been implying. He had periods of dependency/addiction to the pain relief he was given at the time. He also had long periods of remission and recovery. You have been effectively saying that he was addicted since 1984 am I right?The person that was in the wrong was the one that gave it to him for a procedure where it is not indicated. It was not indicted when he has going in for fillers and Botox to Klein in 2009. Pain control is indicated for surgery such as this and for the burn and for the other accidents he had. Also he was fully aware of his dependency to them as evidenced by the letter between him and Dr. Farshcian in Florida in 2002. It would seem that Michael had been seeking help from other doctors that would not provide it for him. He had even asked about a Methadone program but was told he couldn’t do that. Who was the MD that told him that? It wasn’t Farshcian because he was the one that started him on the Buprenex.


  68. December 2, 2012 1:14 am

    “Michael Was not an addict. At least not in the sense you have been implying.”

    Lynande, I am not implying anything. By now you must know perfectly well that I say everything directly, and never “imply”.

    I discussed the problem of Michael’s eventual drug-addiction due to the treatment provided by Hoefflin and Klein after the burn. There is no need to “imply” anything here – Michael himself spoke about the addiction that developed as a result of the burn and even went to a rehab.

    The question was whose treatment was the reason for the development of this habit. The documents and photos recently disclosed show to me that this person was Hoefflin. The same documents show to you (for some reason) that it was Klein.

    I absolutely disagree. Those scalp tissues expanders may be more or less acceptable for ordinary burn victims, and not those suffering with diseases like lupus. Klein informed Hoefflin about Michael’s discoid lupus, so Hoefflin knew that this Michael’s condition was a direct contraindication to any scalp surgery.

    Lupus results in hair loss even without any surgery and surgery can only exacerbate the lupus case. Lupus requires treatment by drugs suppressing the immune system and therefore healing the scars from surgery becomes extremely difficult. Most surgeons are of the opinion that plastic surgery is out of the question for lupus patients.

    Okay, before 1984 when two nose jobs were made on MJ neither Hoefflin, nor anybody knew about Michael’s lupus. And even after the burn, the first time Hoefflin was cutting out the burnt spot he hoped there would be no side-effects. But his hopes did not come true. We know it from the fact that in 1988 Michael was preparing for one more operation and had to live with a baloon expander under his scalp which gave him excruciating pain. How many such operations Michael had we don’t know.

    What we know is that though the surgery did not work the first time Hoefflin still continued with it – only now it involved skin expansion and required months of pain. And he was doing it in total disregard for Michael’s lupus AGAIN.

    With the accompanying lupus the surgery could not work, and it didn’t, so no wonder that eventually Michael had to wear a wig.

    Hoefflin’s operations proved not only useless, but harmful too, and all of it because Hoefflin totally disregarded Michael’s skin condition. Klein said he had to put a stop to those operations, and this is how his quarrel with Hoefflin began. All the rest of it is the history of their mutual accusations and revenge.

    Now comes the crucial problem – the pain Michael had to deal with all this time. Who inflicted it?

    In my opinion the doctor who inflicted all that (unnecessary) pain is the one who is responsible for Michael’s eventual drug-addiction too. If it had not been for that pain he wouldn’t have had to take the painkillers at all – at least for so long.

    You are of a different opinion. It is up to you to choose it this way. But please do not impose your opinion on me.
    I prefer the truth.


  69. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 9:27 pm

    Life itself proved that the risk was unjustified. All it ended with was a wig, awful headaches Michael was suffering from and an addiction to painkillers.

    I’m just going to let that speak for itself. All along I thought you were trying to prove what I was…Michael Was not an addict.


  70. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 9:10 pm

    I guess you have never seen a facelift being done to think it is somehow a milder surgery that a scar removal.


  71. December 1, 2012 7:34 pm

    “There was no reason for this not to be done. It has been done on many others as well with good results.” -lynande

    NO REASON for all that skin-stretching NOT to be done? Okay, then read the information below. It does not concern stretching the skin by a baloon which is a much more painful and damaging technique – it concerns a much milder and shorter procedure, a face-lift:

    Can Patients with Lupus have Plastic Surgery?
    October 17th, 2012

    Lupus is a disease of the blood vessels and healing can be unpredictable in these patients. In a worse case scenario, areas of the skin can die (skin necrosis) leaving a real mess. Making this potentially worse is the fact that the medications a Lupus patient tends to be on include drugs that further inhibit healing….like steroids and immunosuppressive drugs.

    Some Lupus patients with deforming conditions like breast cancer after mastectomy will have reconstructive plastic surgery to rebuild their breasts. This is higher risk surgery than in healthier patients. These cases need to be considered individually with the patient’s Rheumatologist in the loop to assess her risk and best course of action. Some patients with less involved disease can have smaller operations, but are still at increased risk of problems.

    Best Regards,
    John Di Saia MD

    Risks of Plastic Surgery on Patient with Lupus and Fibromyalgia
    What are the risks of having plastic surgery of the face while also having Lupus and Fibromyalgia? Also, the patient did not tell her doctor that she has Lupus because he might not do the surgery.

    What you describe is every plastic surgeon’s nightmare: that a patient who desires a procedure and has been rejected after disclosing a medical condition will go to another plastic surgeon and intentionally fail to reveal medical conditions that would not be picked up on routine prep testing. I require that my patients complete an extensive medical history form and obtain medical clearance from their personal physicians. I am aware that other surgeons in the area, particularly those who are not board certified in plastic surgery, do not have similar requirements and underplay risks of surgery for patients who have chronic conditions but, as doctors, we must take risks seriously and, in the words of the Hippocratic oath, first do no harm.

    Larry S. Nichter, MD, MS, FACS
    Orange County Plastic Surgeon

    Patients should always work with their surgeons so that they can work together for the best result. Many times, it may require coordination between the surgeon and the physician taking care of the autoimmune disorder to help optimize a patient for surgery. This may include cessation of any medication which impairs wound healing.

    Malcolm A. Lesavoy, MD
    Encino Plastic Surgeon

    These conditions may affect adversly the safety of a facelift and the healing and the final potential result. Some of this depends on the medications you are on that may decrease your ability to heal (ie Prednisone), and can affect your body’s ability to react to stress. You MUST tell your doctor about all of your conditions and you must listen to them if they tell you it isn’t safe to do.

    Richard P. Rand, MD, FACS
    Seattle Plastic Surgeon

    There are always small risks with healing related to lupus and fibromyalgia, but as long as both of the disease processes are in remission it is acceptable to proceed with the facial cosmetic surgery.

    William Portuese, MD
    Seattle Facial Plastic Surgeon

    Lupus and fibromyalgia may adversly affect plastic surgery outcome-you must tell your doctor. Systemic Lupus Erythematosis is a very serious disease which affects the blood vessels which are responsible for healing and keeping the skin alive after plastic surgery. Lupus can cause large areas of skin on the face or tummy to actually die after plastic surgery and result in terrible scars. Please encourage the patient to discuss this and be honest with the doctor. The result of not telling the doctor could be disasterous.

    Brooke R. Seckel, MD
    Boston Plastic Surgeon

    There are different forms of Lupus, but I would be very concerned doing a facelift on a patient with both diseases. The patient should discuss this with her rheumatologist and surgeon. Complications could be severe and deforming.

    Richard W. Fleming, MD
    Beverly Hills Facial Plastic Surgeon

    Lynande, as you see, most of the plastic surgeons say there might be severe complications of a facelift for a lupus patient, and only the most risky ones say that in a state of remission it is possible.

    Hoefflin took a much bigger risk as he heavily cut the scalp of a lupus patient and then placed a tissue expander under the partially burned or damaged skin.

    Life itself proved that the risk was unjustified. All it ended with was a wig, awful headaches Michael was suffering from and an addiction to painkillers.


  72. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 7:15 pm

    Here is a link on tissue expansion.
    Here is the link for tissue expanders from wiki. One of the most common uses of tissue expansion is in scalp scarring.
    Michael was being treated by Dr. Metzger with Plaquenil and Atabrine both anti malarials used to treat the lupus when it was active. There was no reason for this not to be done. It has been done on many others as well with good results.


  73. December 1, 2012 7:15 pm

    Okay, I see your point.

    In your opinion Klein’s treatment of Restylane and collagen was damaging for Michael though the most your article says is that collagen is to be used with caution. And Restylane is even recommended: “If depressed, the scars can be filled in with hyaluronic acid such as Restylane.”

    On the other hand the fact that Hoefflin did so much surgery on Michael knowing that he was a lupus patient, inflicted him so much unnecessary pain and started Michael’s addiction for painkillers was a necessary and justified thing to do.

    Moreover according to you it is Klein who is responsible for Michael’s drug addiction while Hoefflin is not. Klein is the bad guy, and Hoefflin is the good one (despite it all).

    Okay, you have every right to your opinion, no matter how far from the truth it is.


  74. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 6:54 pm

    Q. Is treatment with lasers, collagen, restalyne, Botox or Thermage okay for people with either cutaneous or systemic lupus? What about microdermabrasion chemical peels and sclerotherapy for spider veins?

    A. With the recent attention on plastic surgery and other cosmetic procedures, more people — including those with lupus — are questioning the safety of various skin treatments. Some may be considering dermatologic interventions for disease-related reasons, including side effects from lupus treatment (such as stretch marks) or from lupus itself (such as scars from discoid lupus).

    However, a distinction should be made between reconstructive or reparative treatments for damaged skin and purely cosmetic procedures. Lupus patients in remission who are left with permanent scarring may be treated the same way as a person who has been in a car accident or in a fire. Certainly we are cautious with these treatments because any technique that manipulates the skin could reactivate the lupus. There are a number of criteria we establish before considering a person with lupus for these types of skin treatments.

    First, the person’s lupus must be in full remission — and his or her rheumatologist and dermatologist must agree with the planned treatment.

    In the last three to four years, pulsed-dye and other laser treatments have been particularly helpful in reducing the blood vessels caused by the lupus malar, or “butterfly,” rash. This is the same technology that has been used on children with port-wine birthmarks on the face.

    CO2 laser resurfacing of scars has also shown promise in selected patients. Again, all patients considered for laser treatment are pre-screened as outlined above. We also make sure that any drugs they are taking will not significantly delay healing. Striae (stretch marks) are a very troublesome problem subsequent to steroid treatment. No one technology works as well as we would like.

    Collagen has been used for years to fill in scars in the skin, often caused by acne or burns. The use of collagen in lupus — or any autoimmune disease — has been quite controversial for many years. Dermatologists who treat lupus patients with collagen have not seen an increase in significant or unusual reactions, but caution is advised. And, although we pre-test everyone for any allergic reaction, there also can be problems if a person is on high doses of immunosuppressives or corticosteroids, since a false-negative test result may occur. Recently, a new form of collagen derived from a human cell line has been introduced, and no allergy pre-testing is required for its use.

    The latest filler is Restalyne (pronounced REST-uh-lyn), a synthetic hyaluronic acid gel which is injected into the skin in tiny amounts with a very fine needle. A similar product has been injected into the joints of osteoarthritis patients. Restalyne is a natural substance, so theoretically there is should be minimal or no allergic reaction. However, since patients with lupus have increased levels of hyaluronic acid, or mucin (a characteristic of inflamed skin), we are proceeding carefully in treating such patients with restalyne. So far in our practice we have treated six such people with extremely low amounts of restalyne to monitor their responses. Over time, we feel this bioengineered filler will prove very useful — especially for people who have scars that lasers cannot totally fill in.

    As for Botox, we really don’t have any issue with this as a skin treatment. In 2002 the FDA granted approval to use Botox Cosmetic (Botulinum Toxin Type A) as a treatment to reduce the severity of frown lines for up to 120 days. Small doses of the injectable form of sterile, purified botulinum toxin block the release of a chemical called acetylcholine by nerve cells that signal muscle contraction. The product is a protein complex produced by the bacterium Clostridium botulinum, which contains the same toxin that causes food poisoning, although there is no chance of contracting botulism from Botox injection. Since this treatment basically just paralyzes the muscles, no allergy testing is required, and it does not appear to have any side effects when used prudently.

    Thermage (pronounced thur-MAJ), approved by the FDA in 2002, uses heat from a radio frequency device to tighten or lift the skin. It’s currently being used in the eye and forehead areas. Heating up the skin causes new collagen to form — a process similar to laser treatments. But thermage uses deeper, radio-frequency-produced heat rather than light-induced heat. So, theoretically, there is a greater possibility of reactivating skin involvement of lupus. Clinical trials are needed to determine if this treatment is safe for people with lupus.

    Microdermabrasion is a relatively harmless procedure which addresses superficial skin problems such as blemishes and pore size. It should be used with caution to avoid potential reactivation of cutaneous lupus.

    Finally, doctors are using injections of detergent-based sclerosing agents, or sclerotherapy, to reduce spider veins in the legs. Patients with lupus will be more susceptible to side effects such as local reactions and infection. This procedure is not recommended for larger blood vessels. Combination treatment with laser technology is sometimes helpful, but caution is advised until more studies are done.

    NOTE: Any patient with clotting disorders, including the anti-cardiolipin antibody/antiphospholipid antibody and lupus anticoagulant should avoid these procedures

    Helena it is perfectly normal for patients to have repairitive sugery or even cosmetic surgery when they have Lupus. Either kind. Of course now we have laser and chemical treatments that can do the same thing when removing kerotinous scars ( raised) but flat scars will require tissue expansion.laser and chemical treatments were not available in 1984. It is that simple.
    You are thinking he could have transplanted hair over the burn when he couldn’t because the subcutaneous tissue was also gone from the burn. It was 3rd degree and since then they have even changed the staging of burns to include a 4th degree burn. If the tissue is missing the only way it will expand is to stimulate it back then by stretching it, now there is stem cell treatment available too and other chemical stimulators. They were not available in 1984.


  75. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 5:24 pm

    And back to the auction of those photos and the discharge summary. I was looking through some of the other things that are up for auction on the site and am looking to see if they might have belonged to Michael. There is a signed photo of The Three Stooges that he would have snapped up if he was alive so are there other things that belonged to Michael being autctioned that no one has noticed yet? I’m going to go back and look some more.


  76. December 1, 2012 6:25 pm

    “However Klein continued to prescribe Michael that Benoquin for his entire life which also exacerbates the Discoid Lesions.” – lynande

    Can I have a source to prove the above statement please?
    Arnold Klein was treating Michael with cortisone (at least Hoefflin said so), but this is the usual treatment for discoid lupus:

    “The most common treatment for lupus is corticoid steroid hormones. Corticoid steroids are related to cortisol, a natural anti-inflammatory hormone. They hold back inflammation very quickly.”

    Arnold Klein was also the first to diagnoze Michael with lupus and he did it by a mere looking at Michael when he entered the room. Not a single doctor who treated Michael before that was able to make the right diagnosis. Whether you like it or not, but Klein is indeed one of the best US dermatologists who helped Michael a lot. This is the reason why MJ stayed with him until his dying day.

    And he was the one who stopped that madness with stretching Michael’s scalp, which was something Hoefflin never forgave him.

    Here is an earlier post about Klein and Hoefflin providing all the details we are talking of:


  77. December 1, 2012 6:06 pm

    “Helena since it was not my intention to mislead people on Michael’s diagnosis I will start again.”

    Lynande, you do not have to start it all over again. You may be doing it unintentionally but you ARE misleading people – at least as regards that skin-stretching technique. Anyone unbiased will tell you that it was an incredibly unjustified risk to do that skin-stretching on a patient with discoid lupus. A burn is a different matter but even making that big incision to cut out the burn was highly risky. It could have been treated differently – by transplanting hair, for example:

    Treatment for Lupus may involve the use of corticosteroids or other immuno-suppressants.
    In some cases hair transplants may be used to cover small patches of scarring alopecia resulting from Chronic Discoid Lupus Erythematosus.

    Hair transplants:

    “He had DLE not SLE I think you might be doing that unintentionally. You are attributing characteristics of one form of Lupus with characteristics of another.” – lynande

    I am perfectly aware of the difference as I did my research and wrote this post. But it is exactly the Discoid Lupus which does not allow plastic surgery. One of the symptoms of discoid lupus proper is HAIRLOSS (even without any surgery being done):

    “Discoid lupus erythematosus is a chronic dermatological disease that can lead to scarring, hair loss, and hyperpigmentation changes in skin if it is not treated early and promptly.

    Discoid lupus starts as a plaque, usually on the head or neck, with an adherent scale. The lesion tends to spread centrifugally and as it progresses there is follicular plugging and pigmentary changes, generally hyperpigmentation at the periphery, and hypopigmentation with atrophy, scarring, and telengiectasia at the center of the lesion:

    discoid lesion

    Involvement of the scalp commonly produces a scarring alopecia (hair loss):


    DLE is a chronic scarring and potentially disfiguring disease seen in all parts of the world and among all ethnic groups. It is an important cause of irreversible hair loss and is associated with considerable morbidity.

    Early effective treatment may lead to total clearing of skin lesions, but failure of treatment results in permanent scarring; the depressed scars, hair loss, and pigmentary changes are often extremely disfiguring, particularly in darker-skinned people.

    Because cutaneous lesions of lupus are known to be induced or exacerbated by exposure to ultraviolet light, a logical approach in the management of discoid lupus must include sun avoidance and the liberal application of sunscreens. Patients should be educated about the use of sunscreens and protective clothing and behavior modification to avoid sun exposure, particularly between 10 AM and 4 PM. They should also be aware of water, snow, and sand surfaces, from which ultraviolet light may be reflected, and where harm can occur from reflected ultraviolet light.

    They should be instructed to use sunscreens daily and apply liberally; they should reapply them if there has been prolonged sun exposure or when they are wet.Protection against both ultraviolet A and ultraviolet B is desirable because lupus is aggravated by both. With disfigurement and alopecia, patients may benefit from advice on camouflage and the wearing of a wig.

    Camouflage and wearing a wig – this is what Michael actually ended up with. And also with addiction to painkillers due to unsucessful and unnecessary surgical treatment.


  78. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 5:13 pm

    Helena since it was not my intention to mislead people on Michael’s diagnosis I will start again.He had DLE not SLE I think you might be doing that unintentionally. You are attributing characteristics of one form of Lupus with characteristics of another.
    Dr. Hoefflin did not have any choice when he set about repairing the burn.Or do you think that he should have just left that alone?Do you think any doctor would hesitate to repair a burn scar on any patients head with Lupus? It is still done that way. Precautions are made of course but surgical repair was the only option.Why ? Because it does not happen everytime this is done. It happens to some people and not to others. There is no way to know even today how each persons body is going to react.
    Scar removal for discoid lesion scarring on the scalp is still done to this day the same way he did it then on Michael for patients with Discoid Lupus.So are you as outraged at their doctors for doing the same thing to them?
    You are somehow taking the word of Klein over Hoefflin and this is wrong. Klein, as a matter of fact was way overdoing the Restylane that he was using on Michael in the last few weeks before he died.He was essentially injecting the very same substance that naturally occurs in the skin in a discoid lesion. He was in there 2-3 times a week and then Klein charged an astronomical amount to “fly” in for a weekend call.I know you think that Klein is somehow right and was not just pointing fingers but he was. How do I know that? Because Michael did not have more than the three surgeries done by Hoefflin.Like I said the repair of the burn and the scar repair were long processes.However Klein continued to prescribe Michael that Benoquin for his entire life which also exacerbates the Discoid Lesions.
    To be honest everything that Michael did from the hair coloring to the hair extensions manipulate the scalp so maybe we should be blaming Karen Faye and his hair stylist as well.
    I have even gotten confused about what it is that you think was wrong with what Hoefflin did. Is it the use of pain medication?.Of course he needed pain medication he had a burn on his head. Of course he would have needed it before when he had the two rhinoplastys.Then there are the doctors that gave him pain medication when he broke his foot, his ribs, his fratured spine. They were all necessary at the time.He had knee surgery and the wound on his leg all of which would have needed pain medication.
    The only one that is suspect is Klein because he gave Michael pain medicatio for procedures where is was not indicated.That is if he gave it to him.
    Maybe you should take a closer look at someone else that Klein worked on to get an idea about just exactly what it was he was doing.
    Carrie Fischer was having cosmetic reconstrution on her face as well around the same time that Michael was. She gets done with the restorative treatments and shortly after that she has to go to rehab again. Does that make you question if he is acting in his patients best interest? .
    Here is a link to the treatment and scar removal of discoid lupus. It is still done to this day just exactly as Dr, Hoefflin did it back then if it is indicated.


  79. December 1, 2012 7:41 am

    Arnold Klein is a disgrace, but he never claimed that he didn’t give Michael Demerol. He only rebutted the amounts that the press claimed he gave him. I have to find the interview but I specifically remember him saying he gave Michael really small dosages or something.

    Shelly so they planned on him making money from interviews that he did about Michael? Do you have a document or anything?
    This is an interesting point because Klein didn’t want to do the TMZ LIVE interview at first ( Harvey said that someone talked him out of it) and then he went ahead and did it the next day. Could it possibly be because they don’t pay for interviews? He had no problem going on every other station under the sun.

    What is Darvocet?
    Darvocet contains a combination of propoxyphene and acetaminophen. Propoxyphene is in a group of drugs called narcotic pain relievers.
    Darvocet is used to relieve mild to moderate pain with or without fever.

    Does it have a different effect on everyone because I think I was almost addicted to this drug? My mother was given it (Darvocet) and Ultram to take after she had her spinal surgery. I remember that she was taking between 2 .5 of these pills a day. She gave me one for a headache and I felt so happy, it wasn’t a high but it was a bit of contentment. When I explained to her the effect it had on me, she looked at me like I was crazy. It didn’t mess with her mental at all it just made her back pain go away. I found myself going into her purse and popping them for no reason – which is why I had to stop. It’s my understanding that they discontinued them though.


  80. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 6:27 am

    Shelly that is very interesting. On another note the authentication letter for Michael’s signature in the medical file being auctioned of was done in New Jersey on Sept. 6th or 9th of 2012. I don’t know if it is someone that Pristine Auction regularly uses or if it is taken in by someone to the closest authenticator. Either way Pristine Auction house is in Arizona and this was authenticated in New Jersey. So that does sort of point to Mann/Vaccaro doesn’t it since that is where Vaccaro is from. Asbury Park to be exact.


  81. December 1, 2012 5:31 am

    Khiliji and Pfeiffer were also the beneficiaries of Klein’s will.


  82. December 1, 2012 5:27 am


    Yes, I have docs. I can give you screen shots now


  83. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 5:14 am

    Shelly so they planned on him making money from interviews that he did about Michael? Do you have a document or anything?


  84. December 1, 2012 1:17 pm

    “Helena the information that you rely on to prove that Hoefflin was “torturing” Michael is erroneous. It was not known yet in the late eighties and early nineties that if the Lupus was active it would not work. How could Hoefflin possibly have known what was not known yet?” – lynande51

    I am astonished to hear opinions like the above from someone in the medical profession. Lupus is a disease where the body is attacked by its own immune system, so in order to minimize the effect of lupus doctors give drugs suppressing the immune system. Suppressing the immune system results in grave problems with healing. You don’t have to be in medical profession to put two and two together and learn that lupus is a direct counterindication to plastic surgery.

    Okay, Hoefflin did not know about it when he did Michael’s nose job prior to the burn, but he KNEW it all right when he Arnold Klein informed him about it on the day of the burn. This should have changed his attitude once and for all in treating Michael – everything could be tried except surgery.

    And the information that the post-operative and further skin-stretching process was torturous for Michael is not just my idea. David Nordahl saw it with his own eyes, and Arnold Klein also confirmed it, so why we should doubt both of them I really don’t know. Denial the truth never helps.

    As to how many surgeries Hoefflin made on Michael even if there were only two of them (of which we know for sure) even these two would have been enough to form an addiction due to long periods of having to live with pain.

    Why do you avoid a direct answer to my question?

    If it was Hoefflin who was inflicting all that pain on Michael wasn’t it him who was responsible for his addiction to painkillers too?

    Yes or no?


  85. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 3:04 am

    Helena the information that you rely on to prove that Hoefflin was “torturing” Michael is erroneous. It was not known yet in the late eighties and early nineties that if the Lupus was active it would not work. How could Hoefflin possibly have known what was not known yet?
    Then he tries to repair a scar from a discoid lesion in the early nineties with the balloon.How could it possibly be his fault if he went with what was widely used to remove that scar at that time. Where do you get the idea that he did this over and over again?


  86. December 1, 2012 3:03 am

    “Then when Jason Pfeiffer/Klein were set to appear on ET, it was Debbie who got it nixed it, it would seem because again, once Klein heard Debbie was involved he got scared.”

    I don’t know if it’s relevant but I know for a fact that Pfeiffer and Khiliji created an LLc in August 2009 and Klein was supposed to give his money from media interviews to that llc.


  87. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 1:14 am

    And it has been Klein that has been auctioning off Michael’s and Elizabeth’s memorabilia to pay for his bills after filing for bankruptcy. So considering he might just be prosecuted for what he did I wonder if it is him that released the file for auction? He might have had a copy too.


  88. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 1:10 am

    Arnold Klein denied that he gave Michael Demerol. Then during Murray’s trial we all found out that he did give Michael Demerol. Immediately after the sentencing the Cal Med Board subpoenaed Klein. his lawyers quit so it was on stall. He was ordered by the board to undergo psychological tests, physical tests and drug screening tests. In July he sued them saying he wanted them to give proof as to why this was being order and that it would have to include transparency.Now we have the findings of that. Kleins case has been referred to the California Attorney General for prosecution.That is why he was lying and pointing fingers at everyone else.


  89. December 1, 2012 2:28 am

    Lynande, I have already gone to bed but following Michael’s example could not sleep. It is 2 am here and I will comment on some of your points.

    Helena how long do you think it takes to stretch the tissue? This is a very slow process where you periodically go in and have the same balloon inflated more and more.It is not just skin it is the subcutaneous tissue and muscle tissue that has to be stretched First he would have to expand the tissue past what is needed and then excise what is not needed and suture the wound closed.

    You explained perfectly well how long and torturous the process must have been for Michael. Thank you.

    You forget what I said about the pain medication as well. That burn and those surgeries were not the first time that Michael would have been given pain killers. First there would have been the broken nose, then the first rhinoplasty both done by different doctors. Hoefflin came along and repaired what was done wrong in the first surgery.

    I don’t forget what you said. And it is very good that Hoefflin came along to repair the first surgery, but it isn’t very good of him to torture Michael for several years stretching his skin (the way you described it) and in total disregard for Michael’s lupus too. He should have stopped after the first unsuccessful operation, but his pride, ambition, greed (?) and indifference to his patient’s suffering prevented him from making the right choice.

    “Lacienegasmiles is right. It wasn’t the doctor that stopped giving them to him it was the one that gave them to him when he shouldn’t have. Hoefflin never gave Michael Demerol. That was Kleins drug of choice.”

    First of all we don’t know who was the first to give Michael Demerol – it could be Hoefflin all right. I cannot imagine a surgeon leaving his patient suffering in pain after such an operation.

    Second, if he started stretching Michael’s skin and did it for a very long time he was obliged to provide him with strong painkillers and if he didn’t it was simply a crime.

    Third, the drugs he gave Michael initially, even after the burn were also addictive as these are opiates too.

    Hoefflin prescribed him Percocet or Darvocet. I looked them up :

    What is Percocet?
    Percocet contains a combination of acetaminophen and oxycodone. Oxycodone is in a group of drugs called opioid pain relievers. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic. Percocet is used to relieve moderate to severe pain.

    Oxycodone may be habit forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Never share Percocet with another person, especially someone with a history of drug abuse or addiction. Keep the medication in a place where others cannot get to it.

    When used for long periods of time or at high doses, Percocet may not work as well and may require higher doses to obtain the same effect as when originally taken. This is known as TOLERANCE. Talk with your doctor if Percocet stops working well. Do not take more than prescribed.

    Some people who use Percocet for a long time may develop a need to continue taking it. People who take high doses are also at risk. This is known as DEPENDENCE or addiction. If you suddenly stop taking Percocet, you may experience WITHDRAWAL symptoms including anxiety; diarrhea; fever, runny nose, or sneezing; goose bumps and abnormal skin sensations; nausea; vomiting; pain; rigid muscles; rapid heartbeat; seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there; shivering or tremors; sweating; and trouble sleeping.

    What is Darvocet?
    Darvocet contains a combination of propoxyphene and acetaminophen. Propoxyphene is in a group of drugs called narcotic pain relievers.
    Darvocet is used to relieve mild to moderate pain with or without fever.

    Important information about Darvocet
    Darvocet was withdrawn from the U.S. market in November 2010.
    Propoxyphene may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for.

    There is a serious risk of overdose associated with Darvocet-N, which may lead to death within the first hour of overdosing, especially in patients with a history of emotional disturbances or suicide attempts or those who also take sedatives, tranquilizers, muscle relaxants, antidepressants, or other CNS depressants. Do not take more than 6 tablets of Darvocet-N 100 or 12 tablets of Darvocet-N 50 in 1 day.

    Darvocet-N is a potential drug of abuse. Do not share this medication with others or take it in any way other than how your doctor prescribed it for you. Keep out of reach of children.

    Hoefflin prescribed Percocet – 1 tablet every 3 hours ( 6 pills a day) or Darvocet N100 – 1 to 2 every 3 hours (or 6-12 pills a day).

    Michael’s initial severe condition required all these drugs and Hoefflin was absolutely right in prescribing them.

    BUT his later condition was not better at all (if not worse), judging by the cut Hoefflin made on his sculp a year later. By then the burn had already been healed and was relatively small. However when the bald spot was cut away the wound was four times as big as the initial spot and I suspect that Hoefflin had to prescribe something much stronger than those two drugs.

    This type of wound requires a lot of medication to dull the pain:

    MJ's bald spot cut by Hoefflin Dec.1984

    And THIS was followed by all that skin-stretching….

    But nevertheless it is Klein who is responsible for everything Hoefflin did.

    Who said it?

    The media said it.

    And what did Michael’s fans do?

    They believed it.


  90. lynande51 permalink
    December 1, 2012 12:51 am

    Helena how long do you think it takes to stretch the tissue? This is a very slow process where you periodically go in and have the same balloon inflated more and more.It is not just skin it is the subcutaneous tissue and muscle tissue that has to be stretched First he would have to expand the tissue past what is needed and then excise what is not needed and suture the wound closed.
    You forget what I said about the pain medication as well. That burn and those surgeries were not the first time that Michael would have been given pain killers. First there would have been the broken nose, then the first rhinoplasty both done by different doctors. Hoefflin came along and repaired what was done wrong in the first surgery.
    Lacienegasmiles is right. It wasn’t the doctor that stopped giving them to him it was the one that gave them to him when he shouldn’t have. Hoefflin never gave Michael Demerol. That was Kleins drug of choice.


  91. November 30, 2012 10:57 pm

    “To me Klein is a man that “protests too much” and makes me question something: If that Demerol was not found in Michael’s system where did it go?” – lynande51

    Where did it go? Interesting question. And where did it go when Klein was away on holiday and Demerol was given to Michael in the biggest quantities than at the time when Klein was present in the office? (Just a side question, because I do not rule out that the Demerol could be used for his or any other’s personal need).

    But discussing Demerol in the year 2009 does not have anything to do with the now disclosed photos and Michael’s lupus from the year 1984.

    These events are 25 years apart.

    You are talking of one thing, while I am talking about another – my concern is only about the way the addiction started. Why are you so adamant to throw everything into one pile?

    And we don’t have only Klein’s word for those scalp operations performed by Hoefflin. David Nordahl made friends with Michael in 1988 or 4 years after the burn accident. It was David Nordahl who was the first to tell us that Michael was in great pain from the baloon expanding his skin. His words can date back to any year later than 1988 but absolutely not earlier as he simply had not met Michael by then.

    But even if we take the year 1988 as the earliest for that baloon stretching of Michael’s skin, it means that Hoefflin’s efforts continued for at least 4 years after the burn. And all this time Michael had to be given painkillers. Wasn’t it enough to form an addiction?

    “When they were trying to repair that burned spot, he had a balloon under his scalp that was inflated,” Nordahl says. “He let me feel it. It was a huge mound. As the skin got stretched, they cut it out and stitched the scalp. He was in excruciating pain.”

    The question is – who is to blame for it?
    Who was that person in your opinion?


  92. lynande51 permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:29 pm

    Helena there is nothing other than the word of one doctor against the other in this case. First you have Klein saying that it was Hoefflin that started Michael on propofol. All of this nonsense started in the very early days after Michael died. Hoefflin said ( in the Sun) that is was Klein that gave Michael painkillers and showed Murray how to give Michael propofol.
    Then Klein reacts by suing Hoefflin. Hoefflin is only talking through his attorney’s now because of that lawsuit.
    Then Klein goes on the offensive first with just about anything to make Michael look bad.Even the Michael was gay story to was refute what was said by Hoefflin in the Sun interview.That is where Hoefflin said that Klein was giving Michael pain killers well into 2002 and had him having surgery that was performed by someone else under Kleins direction.Klein says one thing and calls Hoefflin crazy when just a few months later we have Klein saying something equally as crazy about the Department of Homeland Security (what he thinks terrorism has to do with Michael I don’t know) and other things. Then he files bankruptcy and a whole slew of mess is created by him including a lawsuit against him by Jason Pfieffer.
    He goes on the record and claims Michael is gay and that the kids are his. He claimed that to the court when he actually sought cusotdy of Michael’s kids after he died. It was in the custody hearing that the judge replied to him that he had no legal standing because the kids were Debbies and Michael’s. Everyone overlooks that because the story is not as much fun as the alternatives that the tabloid make up.
    All of this is because of the grandiosity of both of those men. However Klein even contradicts his own statements when in early statements he says one thing and then later contradicts that very thing in a later statement.For instance he talks about all these surgeries that Hoefflin supposedly did on Michael and yet the first thing about Hoefflin that came out of his mouth was that he hadn’t seen Michael professionally in over 10 years.
    Nothing however tells the truth more than the nurses notes from his office where he regularly gives Michael a drug that is not indicated in the procedures that he was doing to Michael.
    To me Klein is a man that “protests too much” and makes me question something: If that Demerol was not found in Michael’s system where did it go?
    Any nurse or doctor out there can tell you that if that medication isn’t where he said he put it it is a red flag for some kind of diversion going on in that office. This is what I think he was so afraid was going to be found out. I think that is what Pfieffer had over his head and why he went along with that stupid story to throw the press off and have them go in some other direction. because if it is found uot that he was diverting drugs for his personal use or the use of other patients that should not have had them he will lose his license, be fined and possibly go to prison.
    Klein is a man that is trying very hard to hide something.Hoefflin has been silent since the lawsuit was filed.When that one goes to court we will finally have the answers that we have been looking for. Up til now we only have Klein that is talking in the press.
    From what I can tell from all this is this: Hoefflin repaired the burn. Then a few years later he tried to fix the scar and the tissue expander was used. That was around 1991 after the Bad tour and befoe the Dangerous tour. After that all we have are Klein words that any other surgery was done.
    Here is what the press knows too. The story about Michael being horribly disfigured form the cosmetic surgery came from an article that appeared in June of 1992 in The daily Mirror. Michael sued them and the photographer Ken Lennox that provided them with the photos that he had doctored up.They filed a coutersuit. They demanded Michael’s medical records. They got them. They demanded that one of their doctors come to the US and examine Michael. They did and so did the previous editor. Then 6 years after the original lawsuit was settled when Michael won what he wanted. The previous editor of the The Daily Mirror was forced to go public with a retraction. SO all along the story about a hole in his nose has been a big fat lie. Then just like everything else Michael, it gets rehashed as his nose was a hole.



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