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What does the AEG trial have to do with Wade Robson and Blanca Francia?

May 10, 2013

On May 8 a phenomenal thing happened at the AEG trial. Alif Sankey, the co-producer of the This is it show was giving her testimony and one of her statements came as an answer to the shock of Wade Robson’s accusations which were raging all over the tabloid press the same day. 

She mentioned Michael saying that he heard God speaking to him and those words were so disturbing and were evidently said in such a way that she and Kenny Ortega cried after hearing that: 

Michael Jackson: ‘God keeps talking to me’
By Alan Duke CNN
May 08 2013

… Michael Jackson told his tour director days before he died he was hearing God’s voice, a producer testified Wednesday.
“God keeps talking to me,”Jackson said.
Those words spoken to Kenny Ortega and Jackson’s frail appearance were so disturbing that it caused Ortega and associate producer Alif Sankey to burst into tears at a rehearsal.
Sankey testified that she and Ortega cried together after Jackson left. On her way home, Sankey stopped her car to call Ortega “because I had a very strong feeling that Michael was dying.”

http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/Michael-Jackson-God-keeps-talking-to-me/-/1718940/20068188/-/view/print/-/aqarjl/-/index.html

In fact Michael said that he could not understand why God was talking to him, so his words were devoid of any exaltation or elation on his part:

Jackson believed God was talking to him, producer testifies

May 8, 2013, 

Michael Jackson’s behavior and gaunt figure were so troublesome to a producer that she told the director of the “This Is It” concert series that she believed the singer was dying and should be immediately taken to a hospital.

Alif Sankey also testified Wednesday that the director for the concerts told her Jackson believed God was talking with him.

Sankey recalled that on her way home from rehearsal one night, she pulled her car over and called Kenny Ortega, who was directing what was to be Jackson’s comeback tour. It was only days before Jackson’s first concert was to take place.

 “I said, ‘He needs to be put in the hospital now,’ ” Sankey said. “He kept listening to me because I kept going. I kept saying, ‘Michael’s dying, he’s dying.’”

Sankey, who was emotional and paused during her testimony, said she begged Ortega to do something.

“Please, please. I kept saying that. I asked him, ‘Why is no one seeing what I’m seeing?’ ”

Sankey testified that the previous night, Jackson had been at rehearsal for a costume fitting but was sent home because he “was not looking good or feeling good.”

Afterward, Sankey said that Ortega was worried about Jackson, who mentioned God was speaking to him. Both became emotional after discussing their concern for Jackson.

“[Michael] didn’t understand why God was speaking to him. We were both crying. We were crying because he seemed — he was not speaking normally to Kenny.”

A few Jackson fans in the courtroom sniffled throughout Sankey’s testimony.

The civil suit was filed by Jackson’s family who allege that concert promoter AEG was responsible for hiring and controlling Dr. Conrad Murray, who administered the fatal dose of propofol to Jackson in 2009.

Sankey said after being copied on an email from an AEG executive about Murray that she had believed the doctor was paid by AEG.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-god-20130508,0,5711980.story

So Michael said he didn’t understand why God was speaking to him…….

At that moment of immense trouble over Wade Robson’s sudden claims this news from the AEG trial immediately set my mind at peace. Who else but Him could arrange things in such a miraculous way that exactly at the time when so much dirt was streaming from every tabloid we suddenly heard a word from a producer about God speaking to Michael and him being incredulous that he was hearing him? 

With so much craziness around Robson now  it is like hearing a calm and peaceful voice which says to all of us – stay quiet. They are doing their best to distract attention from themselves. They want you to get stuck in all this dirt while the real truth is here, at this trial which will be neglected if you stray and don’t pay attention. This is actually the sole purpose of it all and what they want most.

They have thrown a huge stink bomb into the crowd and are making us terribly busy with it. I myself spent full several days looking through the dirty news and rereading all those testimonies, and I am really sorry that I lost so much valuable time and now have to catch up with the news from the trial.

However since Wade Robson’s and Blanca Francia’s testimonies were re-examined I still need to turn them into a post just to remind you of what Robson and Francia said in 2005 adding a couple of my thoughts on the way. 

But this will be it. The AEG trial is going on and it is the main thing we need to focus our attention on without any further distraction. It is there that the truth is being told and since they so terribly don’t want us to hear it, it is all the more reason to go there and listen to it.  

WADE ROBSON’S CLAIMS

I am not sure that I like the expression on his face

For some reason I never liked the expression of his face

Wade Robson’s “molestation” story came as a big shock but on the other hand there was also a feeling that something of the kind could be on the way.

Since the AEG trial started they have already thrown the first few heavy stones into Michael Jackson, and even warned us that the trial would be about “ugly stuff”, so we could expect much dirt and and it was only the extent to which they were ready to go that we didn’t know of.

Now we realize that they can go really far. What was done to Wade Robson and how much money already exchanged hands we can only guess at but by the way his story is developing it looks like Robson is indeed …hmm….doing a big favor to the party opposing the Jacksons family.

The timing is telling it all. Wade Robson waited for full eight years after he testified at the 2005 trial and suddenly broke his claim for money to the Estate when all time limits for making any claims had already expired and did it just a couple of days after the first testimonies in court (the first witnesses in the AEG case testified on April 29 and Robson’s lawyers filed their claim on May 1).

To say that it is suspicious is to say nothing at all – the timing is blatantly clear and transparent. The idea of it was to make a preemtory nuclear attack against those who had the gall to raise their feeble voices against a powerful corporation, ask them questions and make them answer some of these questions in court.

The lawyers for the Estate as well as Thomas Mesereau, Michael’s attorney at the 2005 trial, had the following to say about Wade Robson’s “case”:

Wade Robson SLAMMED By Michael Jackson Attorneys Over Molestation Claims

by Free Britney at May 8, 2013 9:35 am.  Updated at May 8, 2013 9:38 am.

Wade Robson is blatantly lying in claiming Michael Jackson molested him as a child, according to past and present attorneys for the late King of Pop.

Robson, a 30-year-old choreographer, knew Jackson well as a young boy, and says in a just-filed legal claim that the King of Pop sexually abused him.

In response, Howard Weitzman, the attorney for Jackson’s estate, hit back hard, telling TMZ that “Mr. Robson’s claim is outrageous and pathetic.”

“This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath and said in numerous interviews that Michael never did anything inappropriate to him or with him.”

Wade Robson did in fact testify in Jackson’s 2005 molestation trial that Michael did not abuse him. The singer was famously acquitted of all charges.

“Only now, nearly four years after Michael has passed away, this sad and less than credible claim has been made,” Weitzman added, incredulously.

“We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”

Wade is asking a judge for the green light to seek compensation from Jackson’s estate, even though the time frame for filing such grievances has expired.

Sources say Robson is claiming he suffered from “repressed memory” and that’s why he didn’t file his creditor’s claim against the estate on time.

Tom Mesereau, the attorney who successfully defended MJ in the 2005 trial, also criticized Robson, saying such a belated claim “must be just about money.”

Mesereau says Robson was strong and unwavering in his testimony that Jackson never touched him, and never cracked during intense cross-examination.

Robson admitted he slept in Michael’s bed as a child, when he was a frequent Neverland Ranch guest from age 7-14. However, he defended the singer.

Michael was affectionate and would often kiss him on the cheek, Wade said, but never touched him in a sexual manner or behaved suggestively.

In fact, while Robson was on the stand describing this, he passionately told the court more than once, “I’m telling you that nothing ever happened.”

Mesereau reiterated, “Michael never touched Robson inappropriately in any way” and scoffed at the notion that he suffers from any repressed memory.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2013/05/wade-robson-slammed-by-michael-jackson-attorneys-over-child-mole/

In fact Thomas Mesereau used even some stronger expressions:

MJ MOLESTATION LAWYER
AEG Might Be Behind
New Molestation Claims

Thomas Mesereau calls TMZ

“AEG might be behind new molestation claims” Thomas Mesereau calls TMZ

Tom called in to “TMZ Live” moments ago, claiming the timing of Wade’s accusations is extremely suspicious — considering the legal battle currently raging between Katherine and AEG … the concert promoters behind MJ’s 2009 “This Is It Tour.”

Katherine and Michael’s children are suing AEG, claiming the company is responsible for MJ’s death by negligently hiring Conrad Murray to care for the singer … and potentially BILLIONS of dollars are at stake.

Mesereau insinuates Wade’s accusations are motivated by money … specifically a payoff from AEG, which is currently on a mission to trash Michael’s reputation.

We reached out to AEG for comment — so far no word back.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/08/michael-jackson-wade-robson-aeg-tom-mesereau-katherine-jackson/

The AEG lawyers sort of feigned surprise that Robson’s allegations are tied to their case. Indeed what can they have in common?

What I found very interesting is that on the one hand Robson wanted the documents sealed, but on the other hand his lawyer Gradstein suddenly started going about spreading horrendous rumors about Michael. He called him a “monster” and said that every “normal person” knows that this is the case. This is not the way respectable lawyers behave even if they have to speak for their clients. Generally such loud statements require proof and lawyers usually keep themselves within civil limits and even adhere to the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” unless the opposite is proven.  

On Michael Jackson Podcast where Thomas Mesereau gave a 40 minutes long interview to the “Positively Michael” team  http://www.blubrry.com/positivelymichael/1753102/michael-jackson-podcast-by-positivelymichael-tom-mesereau-interview-about-wade-robson-claims/ and said that Robson’s lawyer made a “ridiculous” statement.

No matter how “sure” this lawyer is of his case, I personally will believe nothing but the photographs (if they have them) as after so many years of allegations against Michael Jackson and their research all other “proof” can be taken from the Internet now, up to the most intimate details unfortunately – so no more stories or fake descriptions, please.

In the Positively Michael interview Thomas Mesereau once again emphasized that the time for filing a creditor’s note had expired so the judge may very well refuse Robson to proceed. Mesereau says that the Estate has tremendous evidence to defeat the case and this evidence includes Robson’s depositions in 1994 and his adamant testimony at the 2005 trial, as well as his numerous public statements.

In this article Thomas Mesereau also notes that the case will most probably go nowhere:

The details of the new allegation are sealed by the Los Angeles probate court where Robson’s lawyer filed the claim last week, according to a court document obtained Tuesday by CNN. The deadline has long passed for creditors to file claims against Jackson’s estate, but Robson is asking the probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim. The sealed documents include an affidavit from Dr. David Arrendondo, a San Francisco-based child psychiatrist, the filing said.

“It’s absurd,” Tom Mesereau told CNN Tuesday. “He was one of the strongest witnesses for the defense at Michael Jackson’s criminal trial in 2005. He was adamant under oath that he had never been molested at any time. He withstood very aggressive cross-examination by the prosecutor. He stood his ground and never wavered in saying Michael Jackson had done absolutely nothing improper to him.”

In fact, while Robson was on the stand he passionately told the court:

“I’m telling you that nothing ever happened.”

Mesereau said Robson was strong and unwavering in his testimony – adamant that Michael Jackson never touched him.

Mesereau added that it was “suspicious timing” for the claim to be filed at the start of the trial of the Michael Jackson wrongful death case, in which Jackson’s mother and children are suing concert promoter AEG Live for a lot of money. He thinks such a belated claim “must be just about money”. And Mesereau scoffs at any notion that Robson suffered from repressed memory and is only coming forward now.

Back in 2005 Joy Robson, the mother of Wade Robson, testified when called as a prosecution witness.

“I’ve known Michael for a long time. I’ve spent many hours talking to him about everything. I trust him. I trust him with my children.”

A spokesman for the Jackson estate said the executors may issue a statement later.

Source: MJFC / CNN / TMZ http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?view=article&catid=85%3Alatest-news&id=5962%3Amesereau-comments-on-robson-changing-his-story&tmpl=component&layout=default&page=&option=com_content&Itemid=82

So the evidence against Robson’s current statements is ample and the claim practically has no chance – but if there is little chance to win the case what is the point of filing any creditor’s claim at all then?

My understanding of it is that winning it is probably absolutely not the purpose of this horrendous campaign. Its main idea from the start of it was most probably to hit and run leaving a long and dirty trail of innuendoes behind it.

The goal is to trash Jackson’s name, guarantee to the public an ugly spectacle for all the time while AEG is on trial, distract people’s attention from the truth being  told there, set the public and the jury against Jackson and – of course – force everyone into thinking that if he was indeed a “child molester” no matter how terribly AEG treated him it only served him right and the corporation actually did us a big favor by ridding the world of this man. The task will be accomplished.

But if this is a big favor done to AEG then it most probably means that some money has already exchanged hands. People seldom go for hopeless projects unless they know that it will repay them in some way, so I will not be surprised  if Robson received or was promised a generous present for keeping attention away from the AEG trial. The word for the phenomenon is bribery and this bribery may be blatant or stealthy – both in the form of money, big money or very big money, or  in the form of lucrative contracts, new interesting projects, promise of a great job and rejuvenating his career.

Think whatever you like of me but if I were in the place of Michael Jackson’s fans I would follow Wade Robson’s spending habits now. His situation prior to the scandal was already known to us – Robson was broke and going through a messy divorce, so if he suddenly buys a yacht we will immediately know when, why and what kind of a wonderful fairy made him the generous present.

In fact the family has already started talking about the “substantial savings” he has though they admit he is not making any money now and there were lots of reports that he failed several jobs:

As for his motivation … Robson family sources tell TMZ … although he’s not making any money, he has “substantial savings.”
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/09/wade-robson-nervous-breakdown-triggered-molestation-memories-michael-jackson-child-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-choreographer/#ixzz2Snu4v7oK 

Why do I consider Robson’s case a horrendous LIE? Because claiming that he had “repressed memories” for 20 years does not only go against everything we know about science and psychology but it is simply complete crap which may pass solely in some comedy or horror movies. If we resort to Robson’s own lawyer’s terminology no normal person will ever believe that someone can forget of “molestation” while he has been constantly talking about its total absence for the past 20 years. 

“REPRESSED MEMORIES”

If you want to know how this type of “evidence” is obtained by some “therapists” or, to be more exact, is actually implanted into people’s minds, please look up this source:  http://innocencelegalteam.com/criminal-accusations/molestation/false-memory-syndrome-2/#

You will learn that the process goes through several stages and is very much like brainwashing, controlling people’s minds and manipulating them into a zombie-like state.

It isn’t that the repressed memories are totally impossible – no they are, but in absolutely different cases. This may be the case of very small children who didn’t understand what was being done to them by criminal adults (they realize it only when they understand what’s what when they are grown-ups themselves) or it may be the case when children were assaulted and their brain dulled the shock of it by blocking the painful memories and this way helped them to survive. But what Robson is saying is complete crap.

The theory of repressed memories simply cannot apply to someone who constantly volunteered information about Michael’s innocence, gave depositions and testimonies under oath and even underwent the harshest possible cross-examination at the 2005 trial.

Over there Robson actually not only refuted all the accusations but was unwavering, confident, relaxed and even funny when he made a joke when leafing through adult magazines, “I never thought I’d have a room of people watching me do this”. This type of behavior is not typical of the guy “intimidated” into giving evidence in favor of someone or doing it for money for the person he is speaking up for.

If you reread Robson’s testimony at the trial you will indeed be impressed. He was forthright, adamant and insisting and this is indeed the way people speak the truth. This type of manner is also typical of a confident man whose career is flourishing (at the time when Michael’s absolutely wasn’t) and pointing to someone who is actually the master of the situation and absolutely no slave to it.

However later Robson’s fortunes changed, he experienced several setbacks and was reduced to a state when the only job he had was for the Cirque du Soleil Michael Jackson show which I hear he also lost. He spoke about that project in 2011 and looked decidedly different from his previous former self. Though he did mention his 20 years of friendship with Michael this time his words sounded reserved and not quite sincere. 

Does it mean anything bad for MJ? No, absolutely not. All it means is that Robson grew nervous, uncomfortable, began experiencing problems, envying Michael’s fame and money, and already in 2011 was most probably already making plans to extort the Estate for money which he so badly needed.

In short the sight of him speaking about Michael in 2011 is actually a picture of him lying about his true attitude to Michael.

But if this is how he looks when he knows that he is harboring ill intentions towards Michael and is actually lying, it means that back in 2005 when his manner was totally different – confident, adamant and even slightly arrogant or condescending – he was telling the truth and did not have a single doubt of what he was saying.

If he had lied then he would have looked exactly like he is looking now – in this video of July 2011 (see below). The opening of the video shows him nervous and unsure of himself, the end is all about Cirque du Soleil job being his only hope now, and at 2:50 you see his strained looks when he is talking about MJ.

Why strained? Because he already knows what he is going to do quite soon and is already feeling uncomfortable about it, or is probably feeling sort of resentment towards his former mentor (people generally tend to blame others for their own problems in life): 

Thomas Mesereau was right when he said to “Positively Michael” that at the 2005 trial that Robson was telling the truth. Robson’s confident manner at the trial is the best proof of it. Now his confidence is gone but the amnesia version is absolutely no explanation for it. The real reason is that he is broke, unsure of himself, envious of Michael’s posthmous success and is resentful of the fact that Michael’s estate is on a sure road to full recovery while he is not. His personal life also crashed and moments like these are not easy for any of us either.

DOES THE GOOD PAY?

Robson may also be tired of the stigma he had to carry his whole life due to a mere friendship with Michael. Though Michael did him no harm for Robson all this talk about various allegations is still a big sore point. His whole life – same as the life of other Michael’s friends – was indeed ruined by the accusations thrown at Michael and left their ruthless stigma on their careers and ugly scars on their souls.

It was none of Michael’s doing but the damage is still there, only it was inflicted not by Michael, but the media, prosecution and the public. What looked like a fairy-tale when they were children turned into a lifelong horror story with a trail of mockery following them throughout their whole life. No matter where they go everyone points a finger at them – “Here goes another of Michael Jackson’s boys”.

I am sorry but even in the face of the current Robson/MJ tragedy I can’t help sympathizing with Michael’s younger friends. His misfortunes turned into their misfortunes, and despite all the good Michael was teaching them their own personal experience taught them that good and honesty do not pay. It is dishonesty and wickedness which make you rich, successful and carefree. It is lies and foul play which are expected of you and applauded to, leaving you with pockets full of millions and no need to work for the rest of your life as the example of Jordan Chandler shows it.

And the Arvizos’ case is no different. They cooperated with the authorities, told convenient lies and see how well they are taken care of now – the prosecutors whose job is to stand on the guard of law and the media whose job is to keep people informed are absolutely not minding their own business but are taking care of the former accusers as if they were their own children. They support and help them, proudly speak of their success and are the accusers’ best friends though technically these people were proven in court to be liars and con artists and do not deserve even a fraction of the all the attention and support they are receiving now.

Is this justice? 

I am abhorred by what Wade Robson is doing now but am also perfectly aware of why this is happening. He and the others were indeed living under too much strain of all this injustice and I am every much surprised that these boys did not go insane much much earlier. This is what is probably happening to Robson now and in the place of the Estate I would send him to a good sanatorium for several months to recover. However the Estate may disagree and probably think that suing Robson for slander will be more effective. 

Indeed, no matter what hard circumstances people find themselves in they still have a choice between the truth and its opposite. And everything in our life depends on the choices we make. It seems that Wade Robson has made his and now the terrible lie told will forever after determine his fate.

WADE ROBSON’S TESTIMONY AT THE 2005 TRIAL

As Thomas Mesereau said Wade Robson’s testimony was one of the strongest at the trial, and after rereading it I fully agree with Mesereau. Robson refuted every single prosecutor’s attack with the ease and calmness which come only with the truth.  Here are the highlights of Robson’s testimony, so if now he says something different you will know where he is lying:

ZONEN: 18 Q. Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever molest

19 you at any time?

20 A. Absolutely not.

21 Q. Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever touch

22 you in a sexual way?

23 A. Never, no.

24 Q. Mr. Robson, has Mr. Jackson ever

25 inappropriately touched any part of your body at any

26 time?

27 A. No 

He stayed in Michael’s room approximately 15-20 times including times when Michael was not there. When he was they spent their time the way teenagers do it:

3 A. Yeah. We’d watch — same thing. We’d watch

4 movies, we’d play video games, you know, we’d have a

5 pillow fight every now and then. We’d talk. Hang

6 out.

7 Q. How many times do you think you’ve stayed in

8 Mr. Jackson’s room at Neverland?

9 A. Same amount of times as I’ve been there.

10 Well, no, that’s not true, I’m sorry. I’ve been

11 there a bunch of times without Michael, just with

12 other friends and family traveling there. But, I

13 don’t know, maybe 15 to 20.

14 Q. And at no time has any sexual contact ever

15 occurred between you and Mr. Jackson, right?

16 A. Never.

17 Q. Have you ever taken a shower with Mr.

18 Jackson?

19 A. No.

So he NEVER took a shower with Michael Jackson, and let us make a mental note of it. He and his sister went into Jacuzzi with MJ but MJ was wearing swimming shorts. Zonen again raises the shower point but Robson is unperturbed and does not allow him to lead him astray:

3 Q. Do you recall what Mr. Jackson was wearing

4 in the Jacuzzi?

5 A. From my recollection, he was wearing shorts.

6 You know, like swimming shorts. And that was it.

7 Q. Did anything inappropriate ever happen in

8 that Jacuzzi?

9 A. No.

10 Q. Has anything inappropriate ever happened in

11 any shower with you and Mr. Jackson?

12 A. No. Never been in a shower with him.

He says a word about June Chandler which I cannot resist mentioning:

23 THE WITNESS: I remember her, you know,

24 ordering food, that sort of thing, from maids or

25 chefs, or whatever.

26 And, you know, the thing I sort of noticed

27 was she was always sort of — you know, she would

28 sort of act like the place was hers, you know. Sort 9103

1 of order people around a bit.

2 And, you know, I guess I noticed it because

3 my mother, when we went there, she always made it

4 really clear that this was Michael Jackson’s house.

They insinuate that he is telling lies and he firmly says that he is telling the truth:

13 Q. Is everything you’ve said the complete and

14 honest truth?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever do anything wrong with

17 you?

18 A. No.

His sister slept in the same bed with Michael during the first time they stayed in Neverland:

13 Q. And in fact, you continued to sleep with Mr.

14 Jackson through the balance of that week during your

15 seventh year; is that right?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Was your sister there the entire time during

18 that week as well?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Was she in that bed with you as well?

21 A. Yes. 

Robson explains why those slumber parties took place at all. When you are small you always want to stay with your best friend:

20 When it was time to go bed, I asked Michael

21 if I could stay with him in his room. And then

22 Michael and I went to — mom was staying in a guest

23 room. We went to her room and I asked her. Michael

24 asked her if that was okay. And she said yes.

2 A. Well, it’s the same way with any child.

3 When you — you know, when you have a best friend or

4 a new friend that you found, you always want to stay

5 in the same room with them.

They danced together but there was never any crotch grabbing:

18 A…. we would mess around and dance

19 a little bit in the studio every now and then, yes.

20 Q. Was there ever an occasion where you were on

21 the dance floor with Mr. Jackson and he was showing

22 you a routine and he grabbed your crotch in a manner

23 similar to how he would grab his own crotch while

24 doing those performances?

25 A. No, that’s not true.

26 Q. You have no recollection of that?

27 A. No.

28 Q. That didn’t happen? 9112

1 A. No.

He gave his first deposition when he was 11 (in 1993), gave it under oath and it was  attended and observed by two prosecutors and one attorney:

11 Q. All right. By age 11, you were asked to

12 give a deposition, were you not?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. And you actually did give testimony under

15 oath in the presence of two prosecutors from Los

16 Angeles; is that right?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. There was also an attorney present who

19 represented you; is that correct?

20 A. Yes.

Zonen is pressing Robson “to come clean”, but Robson is brushing off his pressure with easiness, confidence and even slight irony:

16 Q. You’re telling us nothing happened; is that

17 right?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. All right. What you’re really telling us is

20 nothing happened while you were awake; isn’t that

21 true?

22 A. I’m telling you that nothing ever happened.

23 Q. Mr. Robson, when you were asleep, you

24 wouldn’t have known what had happened, particularly

25 at age seven, would you have?

26 A. I would think something like that would wake

27 me up.

Their days with Jackson were busy as there was a lot to do at Neverland:

4 Q. All right. There was a lot to do at

5 Neverland; is that right?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. And on some days you were actually working

8 out heavily with the defendant, engaged in dance

9 routines, weren’t you?

10 A. Yeah.

11 Q. And on other occasions you would be playing

12 very actively. There’s just a host of things that a

13 seven-year-old can do and have fun with; is that

14 right?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. And you can play — all manner of video

17 games that exist anywhere in the world can be found

18 at Neverland; is that right?

19 A. Yeah.

20 Q. And there’s video games, there’s movies,

21 there’s a zoo, there’s all kinds of parks, and the

22 trains. You’re very active during the entire day;

23 is that right?

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. And at night you’d go back to his room and

26 you’d play more video games or you’d watch

27 television; is that right?

28 A. Yes. 9117

1 Q. And there’s movies of any kind that you can

2 see with Mr. Jackson?

3 A. Yes.

Robson did shower in Michael’s suite but did it only by himself:

12 Q. Was there, in fact, a shower at Neverland in

13 the suite, the bedroom suite?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. But you didn’t use it?

16 A. I used it by myself.

17 Q. Was he in the room while you were using it?

18 A. In the bedroom, not in the shower room,

19 which had its own door.

20 Q. You were seven years old when you started

21 using that shower; is that correct?

22 A. Yes.

Robson did not change the manner of his dress when he met Michael, he always dressed like him:

24 Q. Did you start to dress like him?

25 A. I always did before I met him.

7 Q. Did he ever give you hats similar to the

8 type of hats that he wears?

9 A. Because I would ask for them.

Sometimes there were other kids in his room. They all stayed in one room and slept wherever they were:

11 Q. Now, were there other boys that you knew

12 about who were sleeping with Michael Jackson during

13 that time?

14 A. No, not that I knew of. I mean, the only

15 other time I was around other boys, other kids at

16 the ranch, I think once or twice, and, you know,

17 we’d all stay in the room and we’d kind of fall

18 asleep on couches, beds, cots, wherever they were.

12 Q. And did you spend the night with Jordie?

13 A. Yeah, we all stayed in Michael’s room.

14 Q. You say “we all stayed.” Were there other

15 people there besides Jordie?

16 A. Yeah, Macaulay Culkin was there and his

17 brother Kieran Culkin.

16 Q. Now, did either one of you actually spend

17 the night in Mr. Jackson’s bed with Mr. Jackson?

18 A. No. I think — from I can remember — I can

19 only remember one night in particular, and I

20 remember myself and Kieran Culkin, I think, slept on

21 Michael’s bed, and Michael slept on a cot, or

22 something, on the side of us, and I don’t know,

23 Macaulay fell asleep on a couch or something.

Michael talked about trust, but he talked about trusting people in general (Michael was right in always giving people the benefit of the doubt,  but what does trust do to people in this world of vultures?):

14 A. Yeah, we’d talk about trust in, you know,

15 other people, and that sort of thing.

16 Q. But he encouraged you particularly to trust

17 in him, did he not?

18 A. No, there was no particular emphasis on it 

Michael never touched him, just hugged like everyone else. There were no kisses except on the cheek:

5 Q. Mr. Jackson would periodically kiss you,

6 would he not?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Periodically hug you?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Touch you?

11 A. Hug me. That would be —

12 Q. Put his hands through your hair?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Touch you about the head and the face?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. Did he ever kiss you on the cheek?

17 A. Yeah.

18 Q. Did he ever kiss you on the lips?

19 A. No.

Michael regarded the Robsons as his family:

12 Q. Were there occasions that Mr. Jackson would

13 summon you to Neverland Ranch?

14 A. Summon me?

15 Q. Yes. Call you up and ask you to come and be

16 there; invite you to Neverland Ranch?

17 A. Invite us, yeah.

3 Did you consider yourself to be part of Mr.

4 Jackson’s family?

5 A. Yeah, I mean, in a friendship sort of way.

6 Because we were that close. It was like family.

Other children:

6 Q. Have you seen Mr. Jackson kiss children at

7 Neverland?

8 A. On the cheek, yes. Or on the head, or on

9 the top of the head, something like that.

10 Q. Ever seen kids kiss Mr. Jackson?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Any of that ever look inappropriate to you?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Have you seen lots of children visit

15 Neverland on occasion?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. And what do you mean?

18 A. I think we were there once when he had one

19 of his gatherings, like a Heal the World Foundation

20 thing where he had a bunch of kids come up there

21 and — you know, and have the day there.

22 Q. And how many kids are you talking about, do

23 you think?

24 A. Probably about 100 or 50. 75 to 100,

25 something like that.

26 Q. Were there adults with those children?

27 A. Yes.

9 Q. Did you see Mr. Jackson do anything

10 inappropriate at any of these locations?

11 A. No.

12 Q. Ever seen Mr. Jackson touch any child in a

13 sexual way at any of these locations?

14 A. Never.

15 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever touch you

16 inappropriately in any of these locations?

17 A. No.

About books and magazines:

14 Jackson had ten years’ worth of Hustler, Playboy,

15 Penthouse – okay? – magazines, heterosexual-type

16 magazines, and let’s assume that — have you ever

17 seen Mr. Jackson’s library?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. How many books do you think are in there?

20 A. Thousands.

21 Q. And let’s suppose in the middle of all those

22 books you found, “A Sexual Study of Man, Illustrated

23 With Photographs and Art Prints,” okay?

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. Putting all this together, would being in

26 bed with Mr. Jackson concern you?

27 A. No.

Robson knew that Michael had a sexual interest in women:

3 Mr. Robson, are you concerned about a man

4 possessing these seven books being in bed with a

5 12-year-old boy?

6 A. If it was a man I didn’t know, maybe. But

7 not Michael.

8 Q. Is that because you view Mr. Jackson as

9 being, for the most part, asexual?

10 A. No.

11 Q. Because you believe that he doesn’t really

12 have a sexual interest?

13 A. I believe that he has a sexual interest in

14 women.

23 THE WITNESS: I believe that he has a sexual

24 interest in women.

25 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: In women?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. These books don’t suggest otherwise?

28 A. Not necessarily.

Among all this crap there were some fun moments too:

20 A. I never thought I’d have a room of people

21 watching me do this.

No sexual material was ever shown to him:

1 When you were a young child, did Michael

2 Jackson ever show you any sexually explicit

3 material?

4 A. No.

5 Q. Did you ever see Michael Jackson show

6 sexually explicit material to any child?

7 A. No.

In fact Robson looked surprised when he saw some magazines which is the best proof that it was the first time he heard and saw that Michael possessed them. He had never shown them anything of the kind:

23 Q. Mr. Robson, when did you first learn that

24 Michael Jackson possessed material of the nature

25 that’s before you right now?

26 A. Right now I did.

4 A. Assuming it does, this is the first I know.

5 Q. All right. And you had never, ever known

6 that Mr. Jackson collected sexually explicit

7 material?

8 A. No.

9 Q. This is something new that you’re learning

10 just today; is that right?

11 A. Yes.

Never, God forbid, was there any child pornography there and nothing suggesting ped-lia:

24 Q. Okay. Have you seen one book that depicts

25 child pornography in that group?

26 A. No.

13 Q. When you were at Neverland, did you ever see

14 anything that suggested pedophilia?

15 A. No.

16 Q. Ever see any magazine or poster that

17 suggested pedophilia?

18 A. Never.

Mesereau sums it up:

11 Q. You actually saw kids sleeping in his room

12 from time to time, correct?

13 A. Yeah. When he was present as well, yeah.

14 Q. And Macaulay Culkin was there as well,

15 correct?

16 A. Yeah.

17 Q. Never saw anything inappropriate happen,

18 right?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Has anything this prosecutor for the

21 government has said to you changed your opinion of

22 Michael Jackson?

23 A. Not at all.

24 Q. Does it change your opinion as to whether or

25 not he ever did anything inappropriate with a child?

26 A. Not at all.

Now you more or less have the idea of Robson’s testimony but it cannot be left alone without comparing it with the testimony of Michael’s maid Blanca Franca. This woman alleged that she saw a shadow in Michael’s shower and  assumed that 1) it was a boy and 2) this boy was Wade Robson.

You’ve seen Robson saying that he had never been in a shower with MJ.

BLANCA FRANCIA’S TESTIMONY

From Mary Fischer’s article “Was Michael Jackson framed?” we learn that the program that changed a lot in Michael’s life was the TV Hard Copy by Diane Dimond where she extracted from Blanca an incredible amount of lies for $20,000. It was probably because of all those lies that Blanca herself never watched the program as she said at the trial. The interview aired on December 15, 1993 which was a month prior to Blanca Francia’s official depositionin January 1994 when she spoke to Michael’s lawyers Johnny Cochran and Howard Weitzman in the presence of Larry Feldman. 

Mary Fischer says:

On December 15, Hard Copy presented “The Bedroom Maid’s Painful Secret.” Blanca Francia told Dimond and other reporters that she had seen a naked Jackson taking showers and Jacuzzi baths with young boys. She also told Dimond that she had witnessed her own son in compromising positions with Jackson — an allegation that the grand juries apparently never found credible.

A copy of Francia’s sworn testimony reveals that Hard Copy paid her $20,000, and had Dimond checked out the woman’s claims, she would have found them to be false. Under deposition by a Jackson attorney, Francia admitted she had never actually see Jackson shower with anyone nor had she seen him naked with boys in his Jacuzzi. They always had their swimming trunks on, she acknowledged.

The coverage, says Michael Levine, a Jackson press representative, “followed a proctologist’s view of the world. Hard Copy was loathsome. The vicious and vile treatment of this man in the media was for selfish reasons. [Even] if you have never bought a Michael Jackson record in your life, you should be very concerned. Society is built on very few pillars. One of them is truth. When you abandon that, it’s a slippery slope.”

Unfortunately we do not have a transcript of the program but we know that it turned into the main source of “classical” lies told about Jackson– by asking leading questions Diana Dimond created the impression that he took baths naked with boys (though they simply bathed in jacuzzi and always in bathing trunks), that Blanca allegedly saw Wade Robson naked in the shower (though all she saw was the silhouette of MJ and assumed there was someone else there), that Blanca had to quit “in disgust” (though she was fired for stealing) and that he rubbed himself against children and this is how Rubba came into being, and many more similar lies.

This is how the story about Rubba looked in the press:

MORE revealing and disturbing was the “special name” he now gave his young friends. To Michael they were all “Rubba”. Why Rubba? From “rubbing boy against his body”, Francia surmised. “He had boys sitting in his lap, rubbing them.” Quindoy reached the same conclusion: “He called them Rubba because he was always rubbing up against them.” http://www.plussizedresses.com.au/plus-size-dresses-articles/1995/1/22/jacko-sad-mad-or-bad/

Let me explain what Rubba means. Roger Friedman talked to the sources and found the way the word was coined in a most innocent way. Actually it did not mean anything :

Jacko Pal: TV’s Webster Coined ‘Rubbaheads’
Monday, May 03, 2004
By Roger Friedman

Yesterday’s news reports about Michael Jackson’s unearthed personal belongings were long on innuendo and short on fact. They’d also been reported earlier in People and The National Enquirer, but that’s another story.

Much has been made of some kind of secret club Jackson may have had called the “Rubbaheads,” which had typed rules and regulations. A note to other Rubbaheads was found in the Jackson family storage bin purchased by a man in New Jersey. There’s an implication that because Jackson called some boys “Rubbas,” it connotes any number of unseemly things.

So I asked one of the boys, now grown, about the alleged Rubbahead Club of 10 years ago, when all this happened. He says when he heard about all this a few weeks ago and again yesterday, he was stymied.

“First of all, there was no Rubbahead Club. Rubba was a name Emmanuel Lewis, who played Webster, came up with,” he explained. “Everyone called everyone Rubba. It didn’t mean anything. What we did have was the Applehead Club, and that was from ‘The Three Stooges.’ Everyone was an Applehead because Michael loved ‘The Three Stooges.’”

This was 10 years ago, when a number of well-known 13-year-old boys were coming and going from Neverland. They included Macaulay Culkin, Wade Robson, Lewis, the young man I spoke with and the young man from the Jackson case 10 years ago.

“It’s nothing sexual,” my source continued. “Michael even called one of the younger kids Baby Rubba. It didn’t mean anything.”

So what about the typed list of rules found in the storage bin? They included requiring members to be “idiots and act crazy at all times”; be vegetarians who fast on Sundays and avoid drugs; watch two episodes of “The Three Stooges” daily; know the Peter Pan story by heart; and when seeing another member, “give the peace sign, and then half of it.”

In fact, insists my source, “there were no rules at Neverland. The whole thing was about not having rules and having a good time. It was all from Peter Pan. There was no club, no initiation, and I never heard of a ‘club kit’ or anything else.”

What’s clear about all this is that, when witnesses are called in the Jackson trial next winter, many things will be left to interpretation. What may seem prurient to the public on first impression may turn out to be completely innocent. It will be up to Jackson’s lawyers to help a jury understand that.

Ironically, there was a serious misinterpretation in yesterday’s reports about the meaning of a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow called “The Children’s Hour.” In the poem, the narrator addresses three little girls, not little boys, which was the impression given in the reports.

I say “ironically” because a play called “The Children’s Hour” by Lillian Hellman, inspired by the poem, was about two female teachers whose lives are ruined because of unfounded gossip that they are secretly lovers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118795,00.html

Though this is not the subject of the present post let me take the opportunity and say that the real rules of the Applehead club had nothing to do with those cited  by Michael’s haters. They were funny and innocent:

1) “idiots and act crazy at all times”;
2 ) be vegetarians who fast on Sundays
3) avoid drugs;
4) watch two episodes of “The Three Stooges” daily;
5) know the Peter Pan story by heart;
6) when seeing another member, “give the peace sign, and then half of it”

The same six rules were retold by Gutierrez in his book in his own inimitable pedophilia-oriented manner:

1) no to wenches, bitches, heifers or hoes (whores).
2) never give up your “bliss” (sex acts).
3) live with me in Neverland forever.
4) no conditioning.
5) never grow up.
6) be better than best friends forever (lovers)

I had to mention Rubba in much detail because when Blanca Francia took a deposition on December 15th, a month after the Hard Copy interview, and then another one on January 11, 1994,   the lawyers from both sides Howard Wietzman, Jonny Cochran and Larry Feldman seemed to use Dimond’s TV program as a road map for their questions. They went over all the main points of it so this alone shows how deeply the program gripped the minds of people and what huge damage it did.

In fact the Hard Copy story is a story of its own. On the right side of this post you will find some clips from the papers of that period quoting the horrendous lies told by Blanca Francia and Diane Dimond for the $20,000 that exchanged hands between them.

These lies survived for the next ten years and at the 2005 trial one of these lies concerning “Rubba” was discussed in full earnest. The result of the discussion was that Rubba, Doo-doo and Appleheads were nothing but nicknames used by Michael for almost everyone in the house. The quote from Francia’s deposition (on the right) will tell you that Michael gave the name of Doo-doo even to Francia herself:

An excerpt from Blanca Francia’s deposition published in July/August 1994 issue of the Spy magazine:  Feldman: Did he (Jackson) ever call himself “doo-doo head”? Francia: Yeah. An dhe will tell me sometimes “doo-doo head” too. He’d call you “doo-doo head”? Yeah. How about “apple head”? No, I never hear that. Was it a term – do you know aht, like, a term, an endearment is? Would be affectionaly use that term “doo-doo head,” or would be use it to criticize somebody? I’m trying to get a sense of …

An excerpt from Blanca Francia’s deposition published in July/August 1994 issue of the Spy magazine:
Feldman: Did he (Jackson) ever call himself “doo-doo head”?
Francia: Yeah. An he will tell me sometimes “doo-doo head” too.
He’d call you “doo-doo head”?
Yeah.
How about “apple head”?
No, I never hear that.
Was it a term – do you know what, like, a term, an endearment is? Would be affectionaly use that term “doo-doo head,” or would be use it to criticize somebody?
I’m trying to get a sense of …. (for continuation see the next clip)

13 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you ever hear Mr. Jackson

14 call your son by a name other than Jason, his real

15 name?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. What name was that?

18 A. “Rubba.”

19 Q. “Rubba,” R-u-b-b-a, do you think?

20 A. I think.

21 Q. Is that what it sounds like?

22 A. Yeah.

23 Q. Did you ever hear him call other kids

24 “Rubba”?

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. Did he call Wade Robeson “Rubba”?

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. Did he call Macaulay Culkin “Rubba”? 5047

1 A. Yeah.

20 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Now, the prosecutor

21 asked you about the nickname “Rubba,” okay?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. “Rubba” is short for “Rubber Head,” right?

24 A. I don’t know.

25 Q. You never heard that?

26 A. I don’t know.

27 Q. Okay.

28 A. I never hear that before. 5122

1 Q. And Mr. Jackson used to call his cousins,

2 Levon and Elijah, “Rubba,” right?

3 A. He call the kids “Rubba,” yeah.

4 Q. He also called kids “Rubber Head,” or

5 “Rubba,” right?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. He’d also use “Apple Head,” right?

...how you would use the term “doo-doo head”. Yeah, like – like he will say, “Oh, I’m hungry and I don’t know what to eat. Maybe some doo-doo”. He will say that and – or he said to me, “This is doo-doo”. Feldman: When you’d see them (Jackson and an unnamed boy) together – forget what you’ve already told us about seeing them in bed in stuff, but when you’d see them together , would you see (the boy) on Michael Jackson’s lap? Francia: No. Would you see them hugging or holding hands? Francia: Holding hands. Were you uncomfortable wth that when you’d see it? Cochran: I don’t think that’s relevant material, but go ahead. Go ahead." [So Michael called even Francia "a doo-doo head" and it didn't really mean anything. Even something to eat could also be "doo-doo"]

…how you would use the term “doo-doo head”.
Yeah, like – like he will say, “Oh, I’m hungry and I don’t know what to eat. Maybe some doo-doo”. He will say that and – or he said to me, “This is doo-doo”.
Feldman: When you’d see them (Jackson and an unnamed boy) together – forget what you’ve already told us about seeing them in bed in stuff, but when you’d see them together , would you see (the boy) on Michael Jackson’s lap?
Francia: No.
Would you see them hugging or holding hands?
Francia: Holding hands.
Were you uncomfortable wth that when you’d see it?
Cochran: I don’t think that’s relevant material, but go ahead. Go ahead.”
[So Michael called even Francia “a doo-doo head” and it didn’t really mean anything. Even something to eat could also be “doo-doo”]

8 A. I don’t know.

9 Q. He’d use “Doo-Doo Head,” right?

10 A. Yeah. I think I hear that one time.

11 Q. Okay. But it’s certainly a term that he

12 used quite often, isn’t it?

13 A. “Rubba,” yeah.

14 Q. He used it on lots — he used it for lots of

15 children, including his own cousins, didn’t he?

16 A. Yeah.

As you know now the Hard Copy came a month before the first deposition in December 1993 (and actually determined all the questions there this way). We can imagine what harm was done to Michael during that month and even after it – the deposition was not disclosed to anyone while the Hard Copy lies have been living a successful life of their own ever since the public was smitten by them:

28 Q. So the interview with Hard Copy was before 5085

1 the deposition —

2 A. Yes.

I was especially impressed by Blanca Francia saying that Hard Copy was NOT HONEST with her. So Diane Dimond managed to deceive Francia too:  

28 Q. How much money did they represent from Hard 5044

1 Copy — how much money did they represent that they

2 would give you for an interview?

3 A. How much money they gave me?

4 Q. Yes.

5 A. $20,000.

24 Q. In your deposition, you said the people from

25 Hard Copy are not honest, right?

26 A. Yeah.

She says she was upset with Dimond’s questions. She thought she would be asking her about her work, but instead she was asked about “boys”:

ZONEN: 17 Q. Did you know in advance what the questions

18 were going to be?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Were you surprised by what the questions

21 were?

22 A. Yeah. Yes.

23 Q. Did you know it was going to be about

24 Michael Jackson?

25 A. No. I thought it was going to be about me

26 working there.

HERE IS DIANE DIMOND'S STORY reflected in the paper dated December 14, 1994 and spreading the Hard Copy LIES (click to enlarge). According to Francia's own deposition in 1994 she NEVER SAW what they are claiming here. It is also strange that though the TV program would air only on December 15 all papers were already retelling Diane Dimond's lies about Jackson the day prior to that. Looks like a scheme.

HERE IS DIANE DIMOND’S STORY reflected in the paper dated December 14, 1994 and spreading the Hard Copy LIES (click to enlarge).
According to Francia’s own deposition in 1994 she NEVER SAW what they are claiming here.

27 Q. All right. That was the part that surprised

28 you?

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Were you upset about it?

3 A. Yeah, because then I start to answer, and I

4 felt like I was just there, you know, answering

5 questions that I didn’t know they were going to ask

6 me.

7 Q. Okay. Did it upset you?

8 A. Yeah.

9 Q. Did you tell them you were upset about that?

10 A. No.

11 Q. Were you truthful in your answers?

12 A. Yeah.

We find that Blanca never mentioned either Wade Robson or Macauley Culkin in that Hard Copy interview. She says she spoke only of the children and MJ playing in Jacuzzi and in the bathtub:

THIS IS DIANE DIMOND'S STORY. An excerpt from Milliwaukee Sentinel, December 14, 1993 tells another of their LIES. Blanca Francia had to leave because she was found stealing and she NEVER saw any "naked boys" with MJ. But the fact that she lied for $20,000 paid to her by Hard Copy will be established only in a deposition a month later from this news - in January 1994. There was a gag order on depositions, so even when the truth was out the public still did not know it and kept to Diane Dimond's false version voiced on Hard Copy.

THIS IS DIANE DIMOND’S STORY. An excerpt from Milliwaukee Sentinel, December 14, 1993 tells another of their LIES. Blanca Francia had to leave because she was found stealing and she NEVER saw any “naked boys” with MJ. The fact that she lied for $20,000 paid to her by Hard Copy will be established only in a deposition. However since there was a gag order on the depositions even when the truth was out the public still did not know it and kept to Diane Dimond’s Hard Copy false version.

13 Q. Mr. Mesereau asked you if it was true that

14 you told Diane Dimond in this interview that you

15 never saw Michael Jackson molest a child; is that

16 correct?

17 A. Yeah.

18 Q. What else did you tell Diane Dimond in the

19 interview?

20 A. I don’t remember.

21 Q. Did you tell Diane Dimond about seeing him

22 sleeping with boys?

23 A. Yeah.

4 Q. Was there any conversation with Diane Dimond

5 regarding the testimony you’ve given today about any

6 of those boys? You testified about Wade Robeson.

7 You testified about Macaulay Culkin. Did you

8 discuss either of those boys with Diane Dimond?

9 A. No, I said — I think the only — that I say

10 that I see him is sleeping with the kids and being

11 in the bathtub with them, playing.

12 Q. And you told Diane Dimond that?

13 A. Yeah, I think I did

14 Q. Now, this is the bathtub or this is the

15 shower?

16 A. I don’t remember if I told her about the

17 shower. But I remember that I told him about the

18 bathtub and the Jacuzzi, I think.

19 Q. I’m sorry?

20 A. I told her about the Jacuzzi and the

21 bathtub, I think.

22 Q. And being there with boys?

23 A. Being with boys. Yeah, that I will clean up

24 their — you know, their toys in the bathtub.

After the interview Blanca called Diana Dimond several times as Dimond had lied to her, but she did not return her calls. Blanca explains that the lie concerned some pictures though it could easily be something different too:

Prescott Courier also repeats Francia's false story. It says that "as a matter of policy, “Hard Copy” producer Cheir Browalce would not disclose how much money Francia was paid for the interview". Indeed it the lie itself and how much was paid for it was established only during Blanca Francia’s deposition. The article also quotes a man who worked as a security guard at Jackson’s ranch for six months in 1989.  He was so outraged by all those lies that he called a news conference in Olympia, Washington and said that Jackson would never abuse children. “This man did nothing but help those children,” Lary Glenn Anderson said, explaining the singer acted like a doting older brother. “He’s shy, he doesn’t undress in front of boys,” Anderson said. Anderson said he turned down money from tabloid newspapers to give a negative account of his time at the ranch. [December 16, 1993]

THIS IS DIANE DIMOND’S STORY repeated by Prescott Courier on December 16, 1993. It says that “as a matter of policy, “Hard Copy” producer Cheir Browalce would not disclose how much money Francia was paid for the interview”. Indeed the lie itself and how much was paid for it was established only during Blanca Francia’s deposition or otherwise we would never know. 
The article also quotes a man who worked as a security guard at Jackson’s ranch for six months in 1989. He was so outraged by all those lies that he called a news conference in Olympia, Washington and said that Jackson would never abuse children.
“This man did nothing but help those children,” Lary Glenn Anderson said, explaining the singer acted like a doting older brother.
“He’s shy, he doesn’t undress in front of boys,” Anderson said.
Anderson said he turned down money from tabloid newspapers to give a negative account of his time at the ranch.

2 Q. Okay. Now, at some point, you called Diane

3 Dimond and she didn’t return your calls, right?

4 A. Yeah.

5 Q. You called her because you thought she had

6 lied, right?

7 A. She had lied?

8 Q. Yes.

9 A. I didn’t like — I thought that — that Hard

10 Copy interview thing was going to be shown on Hard

11 Copy, and then I see my pictures everywhere, and

12 even in The National Enquirer, and that’s what I

13 thought that it was. You know, I didn’t know that

14 they can sell the story to someone else. That’s how

15 I felt.

There were NEVER any naked boys in the jacuzzi. And he never touched anyone inappropriately. And she never saw anything suggestive of inappropriate contacts in Michael’s behavior:

8 Q. You’ve seen him playing in his Jacuzzi,

9 correct?

10 A. Yeah.

11 Q. You’ve never seen him molesting anyone in

12 his Jacuzzi, right?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Let me just make sure that’s phrased

15 properly. You’ve never seen Mr. Jackson improperly

16 touch anyone in his Jacuzzi?

17 A. No.

18 Q. Never saw that, right?

19 A. No.

4 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Okay. Do you

5 remember in your deposition saying you had never

6 seen Mr. Jackson touch anyone improperly?

7 A. Yeah, I —

8 Q. Do you remember saying you never saw him

9 touch anyone?

10 A. Yeah.

11 Q. You did say that, didn’t you?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Okay. And in that deposition, you told the

14 truth, right?

15 A. As — as I recall it at that time, yeah.

16 Q. You told the truth at that time, right?

17 A. As I remember it.

18 Q. Yes. And you were under oath, right?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Okay. And you said that you had never seen

21 Michael Jackson touch anyone in a sexual way, right?

22 A. Yeah.

23 Q. Okay. And you said at no time while you

24 worked for Michael Jackson did you ever see him have

25 sexual contact with anyone, right?

26 A. When I say “sexual,” I mean sexual.

27 Q. But you did say under oath that you had

28 never saw Mr. Jackson have sexual contact with 5072

1 anyone, right?

2 A. No. No.

And here finally comes the SHOWER POINT. To Zonen the maid says that “they were in the shower” and MJ was there “with little Wade”, and that she saw some underwear on the floor.

However what she says now is totally unimportant – what is important is what she said in her DEPOSITIONS back in December 1993/January 1994.

And here we find out very interesting things. First of all we learn that she saw ONLY ONE SHADOW. To this she adds that she heard two voices:

MESEREAU:

23 Q. Okay. Okay. Now, the prosecutor asked you

24 questions about what you said in the deposition

25 about what you could see in the shower, right?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. And in the deposition you said under oath

28 that all you could see was a shadow, right? 5123

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Was that the truth?

3 A. A shadow, an image, yeah.

4 Q. That’s all you could see —

5 A. Yeah.

6 Q. — in the shower, correct?

7 A. I hear two voices.

8 Q. You heard giggling and laughing, right?

9 A. Yeah.

10 Q. And all you could see was a shadow through

11 the glass?

12 A. The glass, yes.

13 Q. And that’s because the glass was fogged up,

14 right?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. Okay. You only saw one person in the

17 shower, right?

18 A. I saw him in the shower and the little kid.

19 Q. But in your deposition you said you could

20 only see one person, but you heard giggling, right?

21 A. Yeah, but I hear two people —

22 Q. You heard two people. You could only see

23 one through the glass, right?

24 A. Mostly, yeah. Mostly.

 Then we learn from her earlier depositions of 1993/94 that she actually heard NO ONE ELSE BUT MICHAEL giggling.

When asked “Did you hear anything else other than Michael laughing? she said “NO”:

25 Q. Do you remember you were asked in your

26 deposition, “Did you hear anything else other than

27 Michael laughing?” And you said, “No”?

28 A. Yeah.

1 Q. Was that the truth?

2 A. Yes.

In her earlier depositions she said that SHE SAW NO ONE ELSE BUT JACKSON. Now she thinks differently. It is indeed interesting  to see how her memory improves and becomes clearer ten years later, though with all other people it is the other way about.

After refreshing her memory of the first deposition she recalls that there was indeed only one person in the shower:

3 Q. Do you remember in the deposition saying you

4 never saw anyone else in the shower but Mr. Jackson?

5 A. I don’t think I say that.

6 Q. Would it refresh your recollection if I show

7 you the transcript?

8 A. Okay.

9 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

10 THE COURT: Yes.

11 MR. ZONEN: Page?

12 MR. MESEREAU: 401.

13 Q. Have you had a chance to look at that page

14 of the deposition?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Does it refresh your memory about what you

17 said about the shower?

18 A. Yeah.

19 Q. You saw one person, Mr. Jackson, right?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Or it looked like him through the glass,

22 right?

23 A. Yes.

However on the matter of laughter she now says she heard two voices. Only a minute ago she said that she heard only Jackson’s laugher, and it was fixed in her earlier deposition, but now – ten years later – her memory is much better and now she even remembers things she could not recall ten years earlier:

24 Q. And the only voice you really heard was Mr.

25 Jackson, correct?

26 A. No.

27 Q. That wasn’t correct?

28 A. I hear two — two. 5125

1 Q. You heard laughter?

2 A. Laughing and —

3 Q. And that was at Neverland, right?

4 A. Yes.

Now it is Zonen’s time to get nervous because now Blanca is no longer sure that she saw two persons, but says she only BELIEVES that there was a second image:

12 Q. At the time that you looked through the

13 glass into the shower, were you able to see a second

14 person in there?

15 A. I want to say yeah, but I don’t — you know,

16 I hear the laughing and the talking and, you know,

17 playing, and I — I didn’t see the actual person,

18 but it was moving, you know, with him.

19 Q. Do you believe that you saw the image of a

20 second person?

21 A. Yeah.

22 Q. But not as clearly as Mr. Jackson?

23 A. Not as clearly, no.

24 Q. Did you hear one voice or two?

25 A. Two.

26 Q. And were you clear about that?

27 A. Yes.

Mesereau reminds her that in the earlier depositions they specifically asked her about Wade Robson and she said that she did not SEE Wade Robson in the shower. The only thing she said was that she BELIEVED that he was there – in other words she THOUGHT that way:

23 Q. All right. Did they ask you about Wade

24 Robeson?

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. Did they ask you if in fact you had seen

27 them in the shower together?

28 A. Yes.

1 Q. Do you remember the answers that you gave to

2 those questions?

3 A. Kind of.

4 Q. Did you tell one of the attorneys that you

5 did not see Wade Robeson in the shower?

6 A. Yeah, I probably did.

7 Q. All right. Was that accurate?

8 A. Well, at that time I guess I was tired and

9 nervous, I guess.

10 Q. Did you tell them that you believed Wade

11 Robeson was in the shower?

12 A. Yes, I told them that.

26 Q. And you think you saw Mr. Jackson in a

27 shower with Mr. Robeson one time, right?

28 A. Yes.

1 Q. But you said the shower was fogged up and

2 you couldn’t really see, right?

3 A. I saw the figure.

4 Q. You saw the figure. And you heard a lot of

5 laughing, right?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. And you thought they were playing, right?

8 A. Yes.

Well, if you thought that the groundbreaking news was still coming, let me disappoint you – this is all there is to it.

So the story of “Wade Robson’s shower” actually boils down to the following – the maid saw the fogged image of one person only (MJ) , she definitely heard only MJ’s laughter, she did not see the second person and only assumed that he was there.

Let me stress once again that in the 1993/94 depositions she said that she heard the laughter of one person only – that of Michael Jackson, but ten years later she suddenly began to think that she had heard two voices.

The testimony finishes with Zonen asking her to explain where the shower and Jacuzzi are on the pictures.We find that they were right across from each other. As to the shower what we can see is the door frame only:

15 A. That’s the Jacuzzi.

16 Q. I’m sorry?

17 A. The Jacuzzi.

18 Q. First floor?

19 A. In the bathroom.

20 Q. Okay. And can you see where the shower is

21 in that photograph?

22 A. I can just see the — right here, the frame,

23 the door frame.

18 But in this photograph, which is No. 788,

19 can you see both the Jacuzzi and the room that has

20 the shower in it?

21 A. Yes. Right across from each other.

22 And this, I think, is 787. And what is

23 that?

24 A. That’s the shower.

25 Q. All right. Is that the same door that you

26 recall?

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. All right. And that’s the shower that you

1 gave testimony to.

2 And the last one, please. Two more.

3 788. And this is 788. Is that the same

4 bathroom downstairs?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. All right. Do you have a better view of the

7 room that has the shower?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Show us where that is, with the laser.

10 A. Right here.

11 Q. Okay. That’s the toilet that you can see?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And on the other side of the toilet is the

14 shower?

15 A. Uh-huh. Right next to it.

16 Q. All right. Can you show us now where you

17 were standing? Can you put the laser on where your

18 feet were at the time you were standing?

19 A. Probably right here. Right here on this

20 corner.

Jacuzzi was to the right of the big bathroom just outside Michael's suite

Jacuzzi was to the right of the big bathroom just outside Michael’s suite. The doors are opening into the garden.

Okay, so after we heard all of it let us look at the pictures too.

The Jacuzzi is at one end of the huge bathroom (this point needs correction, see the update to the post ***), with the glass doors opening into to the garden. This is where she said she was going to when she came out of the bedroom proper.

It was “on the way there” to the right that she “peeked” into what was actually on the left of her.

The shower room is to the left of jacuzzi

The shower room was to the left of the Jacuzzi. Sorry for the mess (it was made by the police during the raid of Michael’s home)

And on the left side of this hall we see the mess left by the police after raiding Michael’s house. The mess leads us to the door into the shower and toilet room which is almost wide open here. Behind the door we see the glass door frame of the shower.

To our surprise we notice that even though the door is wide open all we can see is a small fragment of the shower. So even if she stood at the every door this narrow piece of glass would be all she could see – all the rest of the shower is behind the wall to the left of the door and is actually even closed from view by it.

Frankly I doubt that the door was even THAT wide open. Why I doubt it is that in some earlier stories I read that it was half open only, and if it was half open NO shower at all could have been seen.

Another reason why I think her story is extremely contradictory and possibly even fictional is because she says that the glass of it was FOGGED. But it can be fogged only in case the door is closed, or has a very narrow opening. This is sheer physics – fog accumulates only if there is no fresh air coming into the shower as otherwise there is no fog.

If the door is wide open the glass door will remain transparent  – this I’ve checked up in my own bathroom when taking a shower with the door wide open. The mirror in my bathroom did not fog though when the door is closed it usually does (you can make this experiment yourself).

So if the glass was fogged as Blanca says, then the door should have been closed, but if it was closed Francia could not see anything at all.

The alternative to it is that the glass door was not fogged and it means that the door was open, and then she should have seen everyone and everything there very clearly (which she didn’t).

So both variants don’t corroborate Blanca’s story.

In general it would have been very strange for Michael to take a shower with the door wide open. Anyone could enter the bathroom from the bedroom or the garden, so discarding all privacy and even security was not in his character. However I do not rule out that some kids did not indeed open the door and talked to him while he was taking a shower. Anything is possible.

But I really doubt that Francia saw anything at all. What she heard we will never know – it could easily be Michael’s laughter from behind the closed or half-closed door him singing to the music playing and what not. And it was probably after hearing all that that her wild imagination must have painted her some wild pictures.

But wild or not wild the simple thing is that the actual picture she described to the police was hardly possible at all.

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CORRECTION:

Elona Lee who is a complete expert on Neverland (her fantastic site is here http://enolalee.blogspot.ru/ has a big correction to make to this post –  it turns out that the jacuzzi is not in the same bathroom as the shower I provided a picture of, and is actually in the bathroom on the opposite side of Michael’s suite. This correction is crucial as this means that Francia was describing a different shower.

Okay, then let us look at the plan of Michael’s suite then:

Miichael Jackson's suite. Yellow arrow shows the bedroom downstairs and the master bathroom, and the darker arrow shows the bedroom upstairs and the gents' bathroom and shower

The floorplan of Michael Jackson’s suite. Yellow arrow shows the Bedroom Downstairs and leads to the Master Bathroom, and the darker arrow shows the Bedroom Upstairs and the Gents’ bathroom and shower. The bathroom near Jacuzzi has a partition between the toilet and the shower.

To visualize it better here are the pictures to accompany the floorplan.

Miko Brando, Michael’s friend is showing to a CNN correspondent Michael’s suite. We see the glass door opening into the garden and a big glass window. Please compare it with the floor plan above:

MJ's suite

master bathroom (2)At the far right end of the suite there is a door leading to the master bathroom. When you enter it now you see a wall on the left over the basin with some wire hanging there – this is where some lamps and a mirror must have been before.

On the right there are three doors - the first may be a closet, the second is the toilet/shower and the last glass door is opening into the garden

On the right there are three doors – the first may be a closet, the second is the toilet/shower and the last glass door is opening into the garden

On the right side of the master bathroom there are three doors.

One must be taking us to a closet (?), the second takes us the toilet and a shower right across it and the third is a glass door opening into the garden.

Another photo of the same bathroom shows the door to the toilet half open, and at this point we find that there is also a window right behind the toilet.

The shower is not seen (at least from this angle).

The door to the bathroom is half open. We see the toilet and window behind it.

The door to the bathroom is half open. We see the toilet and a window behind it.

Well, what are your impressions, guys?

My first impression is that the space is too open for anyone to hide any “activity” there. There are glass windows all around you and anyone can peek in or enter the bathroom through the glass door at any time.

The second thing is that there is a window looking right into the bathroom, and if the window is open anyone standing outside the bathroom can look and even TALK to anyone taking a shower there.

The third point I notice is that if you stand by the door and it is half open the way it is in the picture you can see only the toilet but not the shower.

And the last point which is crucial here is that the floor plan has a partition between the toilet and the shower, and in this case the view of the shower was impossible at all. The shower could be seen only in case the partition had been pulled down ( if anyone has been to Neverland and seen it please advise), but otherwise it could not. 

And with a window in the bathroom the point about the “steam” is becoming all the more problematic – if the door and the window were half open then no steam could have ever accumulated there. And if there had been no steam the glass door would have been transparent and Francia would have seen everything clearly, of course only if 1) the door had been wide open and 2) there had been no partition to fully block the view of the shower.

But with so many “ifs” I don’t know what Francia was talking about at all. 

Well, when you come to think of it she even said she had not seen anything.  She only heard something and it was some laughter and the radio.

Why are all dirty minds so much alike and so extremely boring?

Well, let us put two and two together again:

If the door is open, there is no steam and you see everything clearly (but Francia did not).

For the glass door to become steamy the door to the bathroom should be closed, but then there is no chance to see anything.

All you can do is hear. And Francia indeed did not see anything. She only thought she heard some voices through the laughter and the radio playing.

But someone could be talking to Michael from behind the window and he could be laughing. Considering the radio they must have been shouting so this is why she heard it at all.

And this is all there is to it.

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SUPPLEMENT

Here is information about the way “repressed memories” are actually implanted into people’s minds. It comes from a legal team which says that this “method” is a latest fad among therapists.  It is putting the blame for things never done on countless of innocent people:

Should the Estate contact the Innocence legal team? Or should it be Chernoff again? Or both?

The information is coming from here: http://innocencelegalteam.com/criminal-accusations/molestation/false-memory-syndrome-2/ . Should the Estate contact the Innocence Legal Team? Or should it be Chernoff again? Or both?

Question: Is there research supporting that an entire memory of molestation can be implanted?  

Repressed memories are the latest fad among therapists?

Their unorthodox methodology is used to revive memories of childhood incest in order to explain away adult problems. Thousands of women who have made allegations of sexual abuse against their parents as a result of recovered memory therapy may have been victims of a dangerous fad. Their memories may have been created through suggestion and invasive therapy techniques. Especially if there is no corroborating evidence of abuse. The results are often devastating to the patient’s family who may not only lose contact with their child, but can be civilly sued and criminally charged for acts that they did not commit.

Starting in the late 1980′s the mental health profession embraced a new miracle cure called “repressed memory therapy”. These less than well trained therapists claim that the majority of American women have been molested as children and that most of them have repressed the memories of these acts.

They believe that it is the molestation and it’s repression that is a key to the emotional and physical ills of these patients. They recommend that when the therapist enables a patient to recover these memories of abuse the patient can then overcome her problems. Advocates of these ideas have written books and articles and speak at self help conferences and actively encourage these questionable and unprofessional techniques for the recovery of childhood memories of sexual abuse.

As a result of this repressed memory therapy thousands of women, women who previously had no memories or suspicions of abuse before, came to believe that they were victims of molestation. The abusers are the patient’s own fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles or other relatives and friends. Almost 20% of these women have also recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse and all of its horrors, baby sacrifices, murder, multi-generational abuse and mutilation.

Some have even reported memories of abuse in past lives and during alien space abductions. This is true!

Writers and therapists who advocate repressed memory therapy cloak themselves in scientific rhetoric and misuse legitimate psychological concerns in order to give their beliefs credibility. Repression, disassociation, post traumatic stress disorder, multiple personality disorder and a pseudo-scientific phenomena called body memories, are all part of the grab bag of terms that they use to convince patients that they show symptoms of abuse even if they have no memory of such acts.

Proponents of repressed memory therapy claim that memory acts like a video camera. It records a persons experience even those in the womb so indelibly that later experience or interpretation cannot change these images. They consider these internal video memories factual and pristine. This is the basis for the movement and any technique used in therapy to gain access to these pictures is seen as justifiable. Advocates ignore the possibility that their techniques not only distort memories, but actually create pseudo-memories as well.

Typically, repressed memory therapy encompasses several stages. In the first stage the therapist employ a list of symptoms that are used as proof that there are repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse.These symptoms number in the hundreds and include headaches, vaginal infections, sleep disturbance, stomach aches, dizziness, eating disorders, fear of eating foods, such as banana or tapioca pudding. Problems in maintaining stable relationships, a pennant for wearing baggy clothes, obesity, depression or low self esteem.

It is a rare individual who hasn’t displayed or experienced of these symptoms during his or her life. Yet proponents of repressed memory movement acknowledge only one cause, repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse.

The next phase of therapy is designed to convince the patient that she was abused whether or not she can remember it. She is told that only by believing in the sexual abuse and recovering the memories of abuse can she heal. Most patients who enter therapy are emotionally vulnerable and so the therapist, in a position of authority and trust, can easily accomplish indoctrination.

Should the client be reluctant to believe in the abuse the therapist explains that she is in denial and can use pop-psychology books like the Courage to Heal, a guide for women survivors of childhood sexual abuse, to support their theories of repressed memories. Authors of this book Ellen Bass and Laura Davis write “if you think you were abused and your life shows the symptoms, then you were and if you don’t remember your abuse, you’re not alone, many don’t have memories, this doesn’t mean they weren’t abused”.

In another such book, Secret Survivors, uncovering incest and its after effects in women, E. Sue Bloom supports Bass and Davis when she states that “incest is easily the greatest single underlying reason why women seek therapy or other treatment.” She goes on to say “many if not most incest survivors do not know that the abuse has even occurred.”

It is important to keep in mind that there is no scientifically proven list of typical symptoms of sexual abuse. Symptoms displayed by actual abuse victims are the kinds of symptoms that also result from other emotional or physical trauma, such as a divorce, moving, illness in the family, accidents, loss of family members, new marriages, even changes of employment. But it seems that the repressed memory folks don’t understand this.

Once the patient is convinced that her problems can be cured by remembering the childhood sexual abuse, the third phase begins. The patient is encouraged to uncover molestation experience by imagination or hypnotic trance. Some repressed memory therapists even use Sodium Penethal as a truth serum in an effort to verify memories recovered during hypnosis.

Other highly questionable methods incorporated into this therapy are guided imagery, age regression, inter child work, relaxation therapy, channeling, trance writing, re-birthing and even crystal reading. Therapists often place patients in incest survivor support groups where new victims are surrounded by other women who have either recovered their own abuse memories or in the process of recovering them. There the patient is encouraged and sometimes even pressured by group members to remember and verbally describe incidents of sexual abuse.

The final step in repressed memory healing is designed to enable the patient to believe in any and all recovered memories. Again, if patients are reluctant or doubt the details of their memories, therapists can call on publication likes the Courage to Heal, the Courage to Heal Workbook, or Secret Survivors, where incest survivors are taught how to believe their flashbacks, body memories, recollections of abuse, no matter how bizarre the details may be.

These patients are told that there is no need for corroboration or proof because what is recalled is historically accurate and unalterable. Their memory they are told acts as a video tape of their lives. These therapists remove themselves from the professional responsibility of examining statements or looking for corroboration by explaining they are neither police nor investigators. They say they are merely facilitators to help women become whole and healthy.

Once patients believe in these recovered memories they are told that it is then possible to begin the healing process. Patients are encouraged to severe their relationship with the abuser and any family member or friend who does not believe in the allegation. There are other support groups to attend that often incorporate primal scream therapy or physical violence to help work out the anger that patients feel about their recovered memories. These patients are often told that they may sue the alleged abuser in order to gain control of their lives and with the act become survivors.

How do other members of the mental health community and law enforcement regard this new method.

First of all many point to the troubling disregard for scientific research that is available to all mental health professionals. Dr. Richard Ofshe, professor at the University of California at Berkeley and a nationally recognized expert in suggestibility and brainwashing techniques writes “even if well intentioned the therapist in this movement are like the physicians who once bled patients in order to cure them, but unlike those physicians who are limited by the primitive state of medical knowledge of their time, the promoters of repressed memory therapy ignore reliable research, misuse their authority and techniques and damage the lives of their clients and their client’s families.”

The best example of the movements unwillingness to use scientific and verifiable findings is it’s perception of memory, the cornerstone of their philosophy and therapy techniques.While proponents believe that memory records experiences accurately and cannot be corrupted or changed later in life, the overwhelming fact is that memory is indeed malleable and false memories it can easily implanted. That conclusion came from over 100 years of research and experience.

Perhaps the best proof of how memory can be manipulated is revealed in a study done by Elizabeth Loftus, pre-eminent scholar on the subject. She points to over 20 years of research that clearly shows that ones recall of events can be easily influenced by fictitious descriptive details inserted characters and fictitious plot elaborations.

To prove this Dr. Loftus’ researchers enlisted the brother of a 14 year old boy named Chris. The other brother wrote a short account of Chris having been lost in a nearby mall when he was 5 and then being found by an older man. It was an event that never happened. Within two days of reading the brief narrative, Chris said that he remembered being afraid that he would never see his family again. Two days after that he remembered the man’s flannel shirt, a conversation with him and eventually remembered that the man was bald and wore glasses. Even after being told that the event never happened Chris clung to his beliefs. He was so positive that he had been lost in the mall that he even remembered his mother coming up and telling him never to do that again.

Dr. Loftus has replicated this kind of study again and again on adolescents, adults and senior citizens. All easily induced to believe in false memory. This body of research has been borne out repeatedly in other studies and countless hours of scientific research.

This research into the malleability of human memory is accepted by the leading mental health practitioners and professional organizations throughout the United States. The California therapist, a magazine for the association of marriage, family and child counselors has stated “some therapists contribute to the problem of recovered memories by among other things inappropriately helping patients remember sexual and other abuse, sometimes satanic ritual abuse when it may never have happened. One must exercise caution when utilizing hypnosis and repressed memory and related cases because of the power of suggestion under hypnosis”.

The board of trustees of the American psychiatric association has warned that “it is not known how to distinguish with complete accuracy memories based upon true events from those derived from other sources. Memories also can be significantly influenced by a trusted person, i.e. therapist or parent involved in a child custody dispute, who suggest abuse as an explanation for symptoms, problems, despite initial lack of memory of such abuse. It has been shown that repeated questioning may lead individuals to report memories of events that never occurred.”

The board continues by saying that corroborating evidence is necessary for an accurate assessment of sexual abuse and that psychiatrists should maintain a neutral stance towards reported memories of such abuse. In light of reputable research and the admonitions of nationally recognized scholars, researchers and professional organizations it is difficult to understand the reason that some mental health processionals continue to believe in a highly suspect kind of therapy and use techniques that have been described as damaging.

One answer is suggested by Kenneth Laning at the behavioral science unit at the FBI academy in Quantico. He wrote“therapists are probably in the best position to influence the allegations of adult survivors. The accuracy and reliability of the account of adult survivors who have been hypnotized during therapy is certainly open to question. Satanic and occult crime and ritual abuse of children has become a growth industry, speaking fees, books, video and audio tapes, prevention materials, television and radio appearances, all bring egotistic and financial reward.

The implication of repressed memory therapy is frightening. Left in it’s wake are thousands of family members who have been and who are currently being sued for alleged molestation of daughters, sisters, nieces, grandchildren. This movement has divided families and in some cases has even led to criminal prosecution.

For those children who actually are abused, this therapy diverts time, attention and money from legitimate programs and projects. True incidents of abuse are being diluted by a course of insecure adults who claim they too are victims. As a result each year thousands of children die from neglect or abuse or suffer from molestation.

For mental health practitioners as a whole such therapy brings into question the ethical duty and integrity of the entire profession. Dr. Paul McHugh, chair of the psychiatry department Johns Hopkins university summed up such implications for his field when he wrote, “to treat for repressed memories without any effort at external validation is malpractice, pure and simple, malpractice on the basis of the standard of care that has developed out of our history of psychiatric service and malpractice because of misdirection of therapy will injure the patient and the family.”

Then why does this type of therapy continue.

It is because mental health professionals do not appropriately sanction their members. They do not hold these repressed memory therapists accountable for their actions. Margaret Singer who is now deceased is a nationally known research psychologist who urged patients to exercise their own rights when therapists practice suggestive and invasive techniques of recovered memory therapy. Only when irresponsible therapists are sued for the abuse of their patients and the patients family will this dangerous fad end. Margaret Singer has written that“perhaps the most serious danger is that true accusations of child sexual abuse will be trivialized or discredited”.

As the nationally known social psychologist Carol Tavers puts it, “the reality of victimization of children is diluted by a course of insecure adults clambering that they are victims too.”

In our office we see countless numbers of innocent families falsely accused because of repressed memory therapy. For this reason we are grateful for our professional relationships with Dr. Loftus, Professor Singer, Dr. Tavers and other scientifically based mental health professionals in our work to help our clients.

http://innocencelegalteam.com/criminal-accusations/molestation/false-memory-syndrome-2/

Here is the opinion of prominent scientists about the “repressed memories” junk science:

“Repressed Memory” – Debunked

 …. Dr. Richard J. McNally is the Professor and Director of Clinical Training in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. As one of the world’s leading experts in the field of memory, he has 250 publications to his credit, including the heralded 2003 book, Remembering Trauma.

In a 2005 letter to the California Supreme Court, which was handling a case in which “repressed memory” was debated, Dr. McNally asserted:

  • “The notion that traumatic events can be repressed and later recovered is the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry. It has provided the theoretical basis for ‘recovered memory therapy’ — the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy era.”

Many other prominent experts agree. “Repressed memory” is simply bogus.

Dr. Grant Devilly, from the Psychological Health research unit at Griffith University, agrees with Dr. McNally. Devilly says that memories of terrifying experiences work in the opposite manner of repressed memory theory. People rather wish they could forget their traumatic experiences.

  • “It’s the opposite. They wish they couldn’t think about it,” says Devilly.

Then there is Dr. James McGaugh from the University of California, Irvine. His expertise in the area of memory was once profiled on CBS’ 60 Minutes program. Regarding the issue of “repressed memory,” Dr. McGaugh said in a 2010 book,

  • “I do not believe there’s such a thing as repressed memory. I haven’t seen a single instance in which a memory was completely repressed and popped up again.
  • I go on science, not fads. And there’s absolutely no proof that it can happen. Zero. None. Niente. Nada. All my research says that strong emotional experiences leave emotionally strong memories. Being sexually molested would certainly qualify.”

In addition:

  • “Recovered-memory therapy will come to be recognized as the quackery of the 20th century.” – Dr. Richard Ofshe, a social psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley (Leon Jaroff and Jeanne McDowell, “Repressed-Memory Therapy: Lies of the Mind,” Time, November 29, 1993);
  • “If penis envy made us look dumb, this will make us look totally gullible.” – Dr. Paul McHugh, chairman of the psychiatry department at Johns Hopkins University (Leon Jaroff and Jeanne McDowell, “Repressed-Memory Therapy: Lies of the Mind,” Time, November 29, 1993);
  • “You can’t be raped for 10 years and not remember it. Yet, according to the repression aficionados, anything’s possible.” – Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, professor of psychology at the University of California Irvine (Sasha Abramsky, “Memory and Manipulation: The trials of Elizabeth Loftus, defender of the wrongly accused,” LA Weekly, August 19, 2004).

…One final note: It is important to know that in the rare moments that “repressed memory” is challenged in the media, victim advocates will vehemently and vocally complain to writers and editors who dare to challenge the bogus theory. Such attackers will falsely claim that there is a legitimate “other side” to this issue. There isn’t. The public should be very aware of this.

To repeat the words of Dr. McNally, “repressed memory therapy” is indeed “the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy era.”

http://www.themediareport.com/hot-topics/repressed-memory-debunked/

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  1. June 6, 2014 6:09 pm

    AEG has a strange influence on memories,some seem to evaporate and disappear wheras other novel ones enter into existance.Not so strange really ,just the age old wellknown greed for money.

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  2. Rodrigo permalink
    June 5, 2014 9:13 pm

    That’s very good stuff you’ve there, Helena.

    I just pray to God these facts are presented to the courts. It’ll stop things for Robson dead on the spot.

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  3. June 5, 2014 4:00 pm

    And here is one more very good website about Robson and his allegations: http://stopwaderobson.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/wade-robson-on-the-hunt/

    Already in October last year this stopwaderobson site found out that Robson was Demi Lovato’s choreographer in 2011-2013.

    In fact even “currently” Robson is Demi Lovato’s “creative director” as his own site says it (http://waderobson.weebly.com/).

    And this despite the fact that Robson claims that he cannot work after his “breakdown” in March 2012?

    Demi Lovato’s tour lasted from November 2011 to March 27, 2013 and was promoted by AEG.

    And all this time Robson’s was Lovato’s creative director?

    If we compare Lovato’s tour with Michael Jackson and “This is it” also promoted by AEG, the role played by Robson for Lovato should be something like the role of Frank Dileo and Kenny Ortega taken together and played by them for MJ. Imagine how close the relations between Dileo, Ortega and AEG were during the preparation of the This is it tour and you can imagine how close Robson was to AEG too.

    Robson filed his claim a month after Lovato’s last concert in her tour (March 27, 2013) and just a couple of days after the AEG trial started.

    Of course we can pretend that Robson’s close involvement with AEG has nothing to do with his claim against Michael’s estate, but it will be really difficult to convince ourselves that all this is a pure coincidence.

    Here are some pictures and information from the stopwaderobson blog:

    Wade Robson was MSA Agency Client till 11 Sep 2012

    Demi Lovato Summer Tour 2012 – Juni 12, 2012 – September 1, 2012 [the post was written in October 2013, so the author didn’t know that the tour would last until March 27, 2013]

    Wade Robson is the choreographer for Demi Lovato – AEG was the concert promoter….

    The Pulse on Tour Altlanta started March 2012

    The same force behind, So You Think You Can Dance:

    Experience, brings the dance experience of a lifetime to Atlanta, GA.The Pulse On Tour connects the entertainment masterminds of today with the stars of tomorrow to create the ultimate dance event.
    The PULSE On Tour is a dynamic and unique weekend dance event, featuring the top choreographers, directors, agents and producers of today. The PULSE Faculty works with the biggest shows and names in entertainment; X Factor, So You Think You Can Dance, America’s Got Talent, Michael Jackson, Demi Lovato, Nicki Minaj and Lady Gaga (and more).
    Brian Friedman (X Factor), Wade Robson (Demi Lovato), Cris Judd (Michael Jackson), Tyce Diorio (FOX’s So You Think You Can Dance) Dave Scott (Step Up 3D), Gil Duldulao (Nicki Minaj), Desmond Richardson (Complexions Contemporary Ballet),Robert Hoffman (Step Up 2), PULSE Emcee: Carmit Bachar (Pussycat Dolls) and America’s Got Talent agents are confirmed.

    Thepulseontour congratulated on 28 Mar 2012:

    Our PULSE faculty member and creative director, WADE ROBSON, is always on the go!! The two-time EMMY AWARD WINNER, recently choreographed & co-produced the music & opening sequence for ‘Happy Feet 2! PLUS, Wade is currently Artistic Director for DEMI LOVATO!

    So what do we have?

    AEG & MSA AGENCY are a “Huge Family”….

    By “searching” MSA Agency ( names/ resumes) of People ike Ortega, Robson and a lot more ( not shown here as photos), you will find out that their all worked together in many of the same shows, projects….whatever….

    AEG (July 2013) – AEG Live lawyers have said they would bring up the child molestation charges against Michael Jackson as part of their defense (Wade Robson?)

    “AEG has just learned about Wade Robson’s claims, and there doesn¹t seem to be any reason to call him to the stand. Wade doesn’t bring anything to the case that would bolster AEG’s case that they aren’t responsible for Michael Jackson¹s death.”

    Wade Robson allegedly could not work after his March 2012 “breakdown”

    “On a career trajectory that was off the charts, [Wade] collapsed under the stress and sexual trauma of what had happened to him for seven years as a child”. March 2012: Sources tell media after the breakdown, Robson went to a psychotherapist for several weeks….

    However:

    – The Pulse on Tour Altlanta started March 2012
    – Thepulseontour congratulated Robson on 28 Mar 2012: Wade is currently Artistic Director for DEMI LOVATO!
    – Wade Robson Videos about The Pulse (March 2012) and The Pulse workshop (December 16th 2012) or videos about The Pulse generally (November 2nd 2012) can be found at YouTube.
    – Wade Robson was MSA Agency Client till 11 Sep 2012
    – Demi Lovato Tour lasted November 16, 2011- March 27, 2013
    – even today Robson’s website still says that he is a creative director for Demi Lovato.

    See the blog for more: http://stopwaderobson.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/wade-robson-on-the-hunt/

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  4. June 5, 2014 2:55 pm

    “Wade alleged his father killed himself over Michael. That’s an horrendous low.” -Rodrigo

    Rodrigo, recently I’ve read a very good post about Wade Robson and the absurdities he is claiming, and the post said that Robson’s father committed suicide in 2002 – which was long after the 1993 allegations and well before Martin Bashir’s film was broadcast and all those suspicions resumed. So the chances that it was in any way connected to MJ are close to nil. The court filing also said that Robson’s father was suffering from a bipolar disorder and this is why his relations with Wade’s mother Joy ‘deteriorated’.

    The post I am talking about is this one: http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/ It is a very comprehensive collection of almost everything we have on Robson at the moment – with some very good points in the analysis.

    Let me quote just two pieces from the post:

    a quick timeline of the events:
    February 27 – AEG trial to go ahead
    March 21 – Judge dismisses AEG’s appeal and trial set to go ahead, also the day the judge allowed the allegations to be raised in the trial
    March 21 – Wade Robson puts his house up for sale for 789K
    April 29 – contract pending date for Wade’s property
    April 30 – AEG trial begins
    April 30 – recording date of the contract for Wade’s property
    May 1 – Wade Robson files his claim against the estate
    May 7 – allegations go public
    May 8 – sells his LA house for $825K, which is $36K more than the asking price.
    May 10 – Files civil suit
    May 16 – Goes on national TV

    It should be interesting to point out that a few weeks after his accusations were made, his website was shutdown and his resume on the MSA gency website was taken down as well. Anything and everything that could show a possible connected to AEG and his respect, admiration and defense of Michael Jackson seemed to disappear overnight. Fortunately, because this is the internet, trails are always left behind.
    As I stated earlier, AEG insisted there was no connection between them and Wade Robson and/or his story. Interestingly enough, however, his MSAgency resume showed otherwise. His last choreographing gig was with the Demi Lovato tour in 2011. And guess who presented that tour? AEG! Take a look below….

    And here is one more piece which gives a good timing for all the twists and turns in Robson’s ever-changing story:

    When Wade Robson’s legal team first put out this story, it was stated that he suffered from repressed memories that resurfaced after a mental breakdown early in March of 2011. There was a video where he was interviewed in July 2011 for the Pulse Tour about keeping MJ’s legacy alive (see below).

    Let’s look at the first major contradiction in Wade’s case according the judge at the time of claim:
    To approve Robson’s case, the judge has to believe that Wade was unaware of MJ’s estate until 3/4/13 and unaware of the abuse until 3/8/12.

    In November 2009, Wade Robson’s long-time attorney, Helen Yu had this say on her website:
    Now that his estate’s advisors are John Branca and John McClain, music industry veterans who know how to monetize the business, unfortunately, he will most likely earn more dead than alive.” – Helen Yu (Wade Robson’s current lawyer)

    So there goes the ridiculous lie about him not knowing about Michael Jackson’s estate. Maybe it should have really said “the judge has to believe that Wade was unaware of MJ’s estate earning millions of dollars until 3/4/13.”

    Also, this is what MJ’s Estate attorneys said:

    But the estate’s lawyers are arguing that they could not have possibly anticipated Robson’s lawsuit.
    In support of that, the estate’s high-powered Hollywood lawyer, Howard Weitzman, cited a recent deposition during which Robson admitted that he was “aware that John Branca and John McClain were co-Executors of Michael’s estate and understood they were running the Estate’s ‘entertainment business.”
    The estate also said Robson was contacted by Cirque du Soleil to work on a Michael Jackson themed show, Immortal, in 2011.
    The Estate was producing the show with Cirque and Robson “wanted to do this MJ show badly,” the court documents revealed.
    – Radar Online http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/02/michael-jackson-estate-molestation-accuser-wade-robson-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-pursue-claim/

    So much for not knowing about the Estate!!!

    On July 30, 2011, RATV’s David talks with Wade Robson at the Pulse on Tour NYC at the Grand Hyatt in New York City.
    Starting at 2:40 you can hear Wade Robson talking about the MJ gigs he THOUGHT and was so sure he was going to be a part of… the same one where he got passed over for Jamie King.

    This doesn’t make sense… your defense team originally said that you suffered from repressed memories that resurfaced after a mental breakdown early in March of 2011., but here you are praising your “abuser” in July 2011 – months AFTER your supposed “mental break down”? … Who praises their “abuser” and talks about wanting to keep their legacy alive?!! WTF?? Like I said, things don’t add up.

    It looks like not even TMZ is buying his story.

    Almost immediately people found the claim of repressed memories questionable (including psychologists) and several videos were found of Wade speaking positively about Michael (even saying how he was looking forward to working on the Michael Jackson Cirque Du Soleil show) during and after that time (please see video posted).

    Then the story was changed so that the breakdown occurred between March – May of 2012.

    In his official court documents filed in June 2013, Wade again changes the story to say that he didn’t realize he was abused until May of 2012.
    Even with this new date, there is the video of Wade from July of 2012 where he again speaks positively about Michael.
    Notice the published date: July 2012 -Master Class

    In a video interview with Wade Robson and Chris Judd on the Pulse Tour’s stop in Toronto published to YouTube on December 6, 2012, Wade was praising Michael.
    Now before you attribute this changing of dates to a simple typo, ask yourself, how could such a glaring mistake be made about such a sensitive issue with the potential to destroy either Michael’s or Wade’s reputation and legacy?

    He originally claimed he didn’t realize he was molested until March 2011 but then changed it to March – May 2012. Now if you didn’t realize you were abused until around March – May 2012, why would you go on camera AFTER realizing this and still praise Michael (the Masterclass video – July 2012, the Pulse Tour with Chris Judd uploaded December 2012)?

    The story was changed yet again when Wade went on the Today Show in 2013 and stated that it wasn’t a case of repressed memories and that he always remembered the alleged abuse but didn’t recognize it as abuse.

    …his vile words on the Today show with Matt Lauer went nowhere. Folks started questioning why is he now a monster when you said after he died, he was wonderful human being who taught you humanity.. It doesn’t make sense at all – commentator

    “notice he also said “my truth” that doesn’t mean it’s “the truth” – you tube comment

    First you said your memories were repressed but then you changed your story and said they weren’t repressed and you remembered everything! Well which one is it? You can’t pick and choose Wade! You can’t back peddle and think no one would pick up on it!

    If you haven’t read it yet the post is very much worth reading!
    Read further please: http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/

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  5. Rodrigo permalink
    June 4, 2014 7:08 am

    Wade alleged his father killed himself over Michael. That’s an horrendous low.
    Of course, he has to make things sound as genuine and believable as he can.

    And if he himself has mental problems and I’m aware his son has autism, which is a shame, he’s not going to feel anything for Michael when his own and family needs come first. The money in his life and flatted career is obviously running dry and suing the MJ Estate will keep the medical bills at ease.

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  6. April 6, 2014 9:43 am

    Wade allegedly had not only one but two “mental breakdowns”.Mental breakdown is a very fuzzy concept.,can mean just about anything. Wades father had a bipolar illness and it is likely Wade inherited it.That includes psychotic breakdowns, and that could and often does include delusions. A delusion could be a false memory. Naturally his psychiatrist has to keep info confidential.

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  7. January 27, 2014 7:10 am

    “Could you make a list of all of your shared sites like your Facebook page, twitter feed, or linkedin profile?”- heroes of dragon age cheats

    I probably could but why should I? On facebook my name is ElenaO, to other places I almost never go – my posts here are automatically posted on Twitter with no discussion there. Anything else you want to know, dear?

    “What does the AEG trial have to do with Wade Robson and Blanca Francia?”

    Probably nothing except the common timing and the fact that Robson has work ties with AEG (according to Charles Thomson).

    The AEG trial started on April 29 and on May 1 Robson filed his claim. So the good guy was thinking for years about this and that, and decided to break the news exactly at the time when the AEG trial started? Well, even if there wasn’t a connection between AEG and Wade Robson he created it with his own hands.

    The timing is so beautiful that even Thomas Mesereau, a lawyer known for his well-balanced approach to things said that it was suspicious. A couple of scandals never hurt those who wanted to have all the attention distracted from them at the peak moment or bolster their case with a ton of dirt poured on their opponent.

    And while AEG was going on at least two big scandals and two big coincidences took place.

    One was when the AEG trial just opened and all eyes were on them, and all of a sudden here we go with all this Robson bs, and the second was when James Desborough began his fraudulent articles about non-existing FBI files against MJ exactly at the time when AEG’s lawyers were opening their defense case at the trial and summoned their first witness – John Meglen.

    And after the trial another coincidence took place – it was the Autopsy program shown on Channel 5 and screened by the company which also worked as a press contact for AEG in 2009 (according to Dee Pfeiffer) and featured as one of its heroes James Desborough already well-known to us by the fraudulent FBI files.

    Another beautiful coincidence I recently spotted was when a certain Albert Hexum Dwyer made a horrendous film about Michael called “Michael Jackson, the King of Disaster”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o60DH6Q59sU It was posted on October 8, 2013 just days after the AEG trial ended.

    The video exquisitely rehashes all old molestation lies and throws doubt even at the verdict at the 2005 trial presenting the worst of lies about MJ and thus “maintaining a historical record” of them (as the author says in his account), though on the face of it the author pretends that he is paying tribute to the superstar.

    How do I know that there may be a connection to AEG here again? The thing is that Albert Hexum Dwyer works at Verizon Wireless, the largest mobile network operator in the US. But Verizon Wireless is also a long-time and trusted business partner of AEG Live. Verizon Wireless is even mentioned on AEG’s website and the shows organized by AEG are regularly staged on Verizon locations (Verison is also in entertainment business).

    Shall I also mention that Albert Hexum Dwyer created his account on Youtube on May 5, 2013 right at the time when the AEG trial started and this thing with Robson happened? Or that he was silent for a time being and burst with his videos immediately after the trial ended?

    Just another of those coincidences…

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  8. January 27, 2014 12:30 am

    I don’t leave a bunch of comments, but i did a few searching and
    wound up here What does the AEG trial have to do with Wade Robson and Blanca Francia?
    | Vindicating Michael. And I do have a few questions for you if you tend not to mind.
    Is it just me or does it seem like a few of the responses come across like they are left by brain dead
    folks?😛 And, if you are posting at additional sites, I would like to keep up with everything fresh you have to post.
    Could you make a list of all of your shared sites like your Facebook page, twitter feed,
    or linkedin profile?

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  9. October 4, 2013 4:40 am

    “Does anyone understand this verdict?” – Linda

    I think one person who left a comment on ABC7 Court twitter understood it better than anyone else.

    Quote:

    King of Pop ♔ ‏@KingofPopTweets
    “Jury had to find a way to make an excuse for AEG. They can’t deny they hired Murray. So they had to say “AEG hired Murray, but Murray was competent.” Because if they said, AEG hired Murray and he is Incompetent (which is fact) then AEG would have to pay”

    https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/385568927884902400

    This explanation is hitting it on the nail. The jury wanted to absolve AEG but knew they could not deny the obvious – the contract was saying Murray was working for the Producer and all the evidence showed that he was running on AEG’s errands.

    But if the jury agreed that AEG hired Murray, then in order to clear AEG of their guilt Murray must be competent. Must be. And this should be stated even in defiance of the verdict at the criminal trial and everything other doctors said there about Murray being unethical and unfit even to do a CPR.

    And if Murray must be found competent, the jurors have to offer crazy explanations like “at the moment AEG hired him he was competent” and what happened later is “something different”, while every reasonable person knows that a competent doctor is always competent, and if he was fit he should have noticed those terribly alarming signs – especially if even lay people were already noticing them.

    But when that “competent” doctor saw those signs his ethics should have made him stop the process and take MJ to hospital. However he did nothing of the kind, so here comes another crazy explanation from the jurors – competence is one thing and ethics is another, and “no one asked them about the ethics”, “it was not part of the question”, “if they had put it there they would have given a different answer”, etc. All this is absurd but they nevertheless are saying it.

    In short these jurors first knew what their verdict should be like and then they adjusted their explanations to it – and this is why the result looks so crazy to us. And by all these explanations the jurors themselves show to us that they know that they’ve made an unjust decision, otherwise they would not have thought it necessary even to explain it.

    So the only thing that remains to be seen is why they did what they did.

    Lucrative job offers suddenly falling from the sky? Psychics like that woman in the court hall approaching them in private and saying that they envision trouble, illness, etc. for their families in case they award money? Downright intimidation by notes found under the door? Other methods? Or do these people simply have the media brainwashed and dumb minds? Well, at least their foreman with whom the female AEG lawyers had a constant eye contact is not dumb – that’s for sure.

    Of course there should be an appeal, only I no longer believe in justice in your country either. However Mrs. Jackson should try it. It will be just another experiment and another showcase for everyone to watch and see.

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  10. Linda permalink
    October 3, 2013 11:22 pm

    I was really shocked at the verdict and thought AEG was losing throughout this whole trial. AEG lawyer threatened to make this ugly and they tried, but I thought Michael came out looking very good, and I really thought from all those crappy e-mails it proved AEG did hire CM. It certainly showed what creeps they were. I’m just sitting here thinking, what the hell happened?

    A lot of people thought Michael got off in 2005 because of his fame and fortune, but we know better because we read the court transcripts. This time I read the transcripts also and I thought they looked damned guilty, and with all the fuss about Deleo’s computer I never heard if anything was found on it. I also never heard if nanny Grace testified. I was interested to see what she had to say. Did I miss something here? Does anyone understand this verdict?

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  11. October 3, 2013 5:50 am

    “LOS ANGELES (AP) — A jury cleared concert promoter AEG Live on Wednesday of negligence in the hiring of the doctor convicted of killing Michael Jackson.” – Linda

    This is another of their lies. The central question of the trial was whether AEG hired Murray (whom everyone before this crazy verdict considered criminally negligent). And the answer to this question was YES. So if Murray was negligent and AEG did hire him, AEG could not be “cleared of negligence in hiring of the doctor” as the AP says. It is a manipulation of people’s minds.

    But the shock is elsewhere. No one expected the person who went to jail for gross negligence to his patient to be suddenly found “fit” and “competent”. Care for a patient and ethical conduct is part of a doctor’s profession and this is what we respect them for.

    If a notice on a doctor’s door said that “this doctor is fit and competent but unethical” no one would ever open that door because we would expect this doctor to be capable of anything – even murder.

    We entrust doctors with our health and giving oneself into the hands of an unethical doctor is the worst of possible dangers, because he will be always ready to betray the first rule of the Hippocratic oath – “Do no harm”.

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  12. Linda permalink
    October 2, 2013 11:42 pm

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A jury cleared concert promoter AEG Live on Wednesday of negligence in the hiring of the doctor convicted of killing Michael Jackson.

    The panel unanimously rejected a lawsuit brought by Jackson’s mother that sought to financially punish AEG Live LLC, the promoters of her son’s “This Is It” concerts planned for London.

    Maybe we should have see this coming the day the judge released Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware. That may have sent a strong, false message to the jury. Now they can do that to somebody else with no fear of repercussions.

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  13. October 2, 2013 2:37 pm

    “Again the timing is VERY interesting. I haven’t heard anything about Wade for a while so I thought he was gone and forgotten. I should have known better. They were just waiting for the right time to pull their next ace in the hole, his trial date. Gotta admit these assholes are good at what they are doing. Their intention is to bring Michael down just like Sneddon’s intention was. Well Tommy boy didn’t succeed and hopefully AEG won’t either.” – Linda

    Hopefully not, but the list of “interesting” occurrences is indeed long. Now we know that on September 27 there was some scheduled hearing for WR’s case, but it was only for a hearing concerning a creditors’ claim to the Estate. However someone used this date for a huge provocation declaring a fictional “trial date” instead.

    As regards “interesting” occurrences at this trial let me also name the judge’s decision to suddenly release Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware of any responsibility in the case though they were impeached more than 40 cases each, and lied to court by not remembering their own emails and denying the obvious.

    Even if it does not change anything for AEG, it sends a clear message to the outside world – if you are a CEO of a big corporation you can lie and cheat, and you will perfectly get away with it even if you are impeached numerous times and are found lying under oath.

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  14. October 2, 2013 1:48 pm

    “The gentleman i conversed with said that there is no trial date scheduled and that june 2, 2014 is a court hearing date set to determine whether or not robson can file and pursue this late claim against the estate.” I tend to believe this message because so far we have no official confirmation whether this Australian news report is correct. There is no such report in the U.S. press, not even on TMZ.” – Susanne

    Guys, I wish i could properly write now but I cannot… Today I’ve strolled down the “Lipstick alley” website http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/michael-jackson-child-molestion-claim-wade-robson-pt-v-565945/index31.html and learned a lot from its forum members about this case. Let me quote:

    1. On September 27 fans were waiting only for the news about Wade Robson’s creditors claim to the Estate.

    “The ruling was only supposed to be about if the creditor’s claim would go forward or not.”

    2. So the ruling was not to be about any “civil trial” at all. The procedure is a different one. The Creditors’ claim was to be looked into, and if rejected by the Estate it was to return to the Probate court – at least this is what the people familiar with American legal procedures say:

    Why would they need a hearing in June if the Judge approved the Creditors Claim to be forwarded? Wouldn’t that have to be tossed by the Executors first, then brought back to the Probate Judge, then he sets a hearing?

    3. The possibility of a civil trial against a deceased person is a very strange and possibly even unlikely development, because every person accused of a crime should have a right to defend himself, and the deceased Michael cannot:

    “It might not even go to trial foreal…its really illegal to do. You cant trial a dead person for the allegations Wade are making. The AEG vs Katherine trial is different but making molestation allegations is an entirely different ball game that requires the person to actually BE THERE testifying, defending themself etc. Wade is accussing Michael of DOING something against him which REQUIRES Michael to be present.”

    4. In this connection I looked up the civil lawsuits brought against Savile in Britain now (though he has nothing in common with MJ!), and see that all that the victims whether true or fictional can sue the employer of Savile. It is called “Vicarious liability” and described in an article which speaks of serious obstacles in that case – though there is plenty of evidence that BBC did know and even some others there also took part.

    “A number of commentators have suggested that a claim lies against the BBC and the hospitals who employed Savile. Such a claim, if based on trespass to the person might be based on the premise that the BBC is vicariously liable. However it is not certain how a court might react to a number of separate claims, brought against a deceased where there may be nothing more in the way of evidence than the victim’s statement and videotapes of Savile’s shows. The claims against the hospitals on the other hand might produce more in the way of documentary evidence, and possibly statements from nurses and doctors. Claims based on trespass to the person are less vulnerable to the limitation defence than claims based in negligence, given that the core issue – in this case: “did it happen?” – should be simpler. Nonetheless limitation will still only be waived in exceptional circumstances. “

    And even in case the victims are successful in suing BBC the first step is a criminal investigation anyway:

    “Child abuse compensation claims can take years to resolve, and frequently they await the outcome of criminal proceedings, or the kind of investigation that is underway at the BBC.” http://www.solicitorsjournal.com/comment/jimmy-savile%E2%80%99s-victims-still-have-serious-obstacles-overcome

    Remember that the above is about Savile where the police say that they have overwhelming evidence, but still it is difficult because some people will be simply jumping on the bandwagon and using the opportunity of extorting money from BBC and hospitals that employed Savile. And again the problem of the deceased person not being able to refute at least some of the allegations which may be frivolous still remains – even for Savile, not to mention an innocent man like Michael.

    5. In these conditions Wade Robson with all his crazy fantasies and the overwhelming evidence against him provided by his own testimony at the 2005 criminal trial is a totally absurd case which can be meant only for trashing Michael. And unless all these totally uncertain things are clarified any talk about “setting a trial date” for this non-existent case is out of the question.

    So the information about a “trial” set for June 2, 2014 is a huge provocation meant solely for dragging Michael through the mud at the most vulnerable moment in the AEG case – during the jury’s deliberations.

    For the record, information about the “trial” appeared not only in one Australian paper but here too: http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/new-jackson-child-abuse-claims-set-for-court-hearing-next-june/ .

    It is clear that these people threw this misinformation like a stone into a pond hoping that it would spread in circles and would be picked up by fans and ignited into a fire. No media sources – even TMZ – picked it up as its false nature is too evident and can only compromise the source reporting it.

    SO IT WAS A PROVOCATION and THE TIMING OF IT IS VERY TALE-TELLING.

    IT WAS MEANT TO MESS UP THE JURY IN THE AEG CASE.

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  15. October 2, 2013 12:24 pm

    Now there is talk about WR divorcing. His son is 2yo. Is he going to start a brand new type of life?Not long ago there was a pic. of him and his wife and son.Was WD not 2yo when his father committed suicide. All this sounds confusing.And it because of his son he got all those supressed (at one point) memories.

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  16. October 2, 2013 4:42 am

    Guys, regarding the alleged trial date for WR here is a note from someone on FB who apparently has some information about it:

    “The gentleman i conversed with said that there is no trial date scheduled and that june 2, 2014 is a court hearing date set to determine whether or not robson can file and pursue this late claim against the estate.”

    “So what I thought was a trial is not …its just a court hearing date set for june 2, 2014. And what I thought was happening friday, september 27, 2013, is not going to take place until june 2, 2014.”

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rpcaaq

    I tend to believe this message because so far we have no official confirmation whether this Australian news report is correct. There is no such report in the U.S. press, not even on TMZ.

    The date for the court hearing on September 27th in this case was set by Judge Beckloff long ago, so we knew that there would be some news on this date. However, it’s certainly possible that someone spread wrong information that suits AEG.

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  17. Linda permalink
    October 2, 2013 12:05 am

    All of it looks like part of a well thought-out script – as the AEG trial begins WR pops up, and as the AEG trial is drawing to an end the date for the trial in the WR “case” is set!

    Wow, I didn’t see that, but you’re right. I saw it at the beginning of the trial, that’s why I said the timing was interesting, but I didn’t put that together with this trial date coming at the end of the trial. Again the timing is VERY interesting. I haven’t heard anything about Wade for a while so I thought he was gone and forgotten. I should have known better. They were just waiting for the right time to pull their next ace in the hole, his trial date. Gotta admit these assholes are good at what they are doing. Their intention is to bring Michael down just like Sneddon’s intention was. Well Tommy boy didn’t succeed and hopefully AEG won’t either.

    Wade’s case is ridiculous. Suppressed memory until all over the internet he was laughed at, then he suddenly changed his story. He didn’t forget anything,he just didn’t realize that it was molestation? He was what, 20 when he was questioned at Michael’s trial? Did he touch you here, there? NO NO NO. He didn’t do that. He didn’t need to understand molestation. Damn it, he never touched him in those places. Yet, he actually gets a trial date. His story changes when needed at the most opportune times FOR AEG.

    Funny still, not much news coverage for this trial like in Sneddons day. Media couldn’t get enough of MJ then, now they are mostly silent. Can the public possibly see this and figure why???

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  18. September 30, 2013 5:17 pm

    Guys, I am shaking with fury but according to one Australian source the judge set the date for a trial in Wade Robson’s “case” and it will be June 2014. Of all months it will be June and the 5th anniversary of MJ’s death.

    I hope Robson crashes straight into hell where he belongs. I am sorry but I cannot contain myself.

    What is this beast doing to Michael’s children?

    The time when this news became known (September 28) is tale-telling – this way they are trying to influence the jury at the AEG trial!

    The idea conveyed is “See, who you are trying to support against this innocent AEG?”

    All of it looks like part of a well thought-out script – as the AEG trial begins WR pops up, and as the AEG trial is drawing to an end the date for the trial in the WR “case” is set!

    It is a never-ending nightmare aimed at erasing any memory of Michael, doing away with his children and bringing Michael’s finances into a complete ruin.

    And the Estate should fight this really hard and if fans have any claims against the Estate this will be not be the right time to voice them!

    All claims afterwards and not now! This case looks like a retaliatory blow to bleed the Estate of the money!

    Michael Jackson’s Aussie accuser Wade Robson gets trial date
    PETER MITCHELL AAP SEPTEMBER 28, 2013 10:29PM

    AUSTRALIAN choreographer Wade Robson’s pursuit of a slice of late pop star Michael Jackson’s estate will go to trial in Los Angeles next year.

    Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, at a hearing in downtown LA on Friday, set a June 2 trial.

    Brisbane-born Robson, 31, who as a five-year-old dance prodigy was befriended by Jackson, was a star witness at the King of Pop’s 2005 molestation trial in California.

    Robson vehemently denied under oath Jackson had sexually abused him and was a key reason for Jackson’s acquittal, but earlier this year Robson did an about-face and claimed the pop star was a sexual predator who brainwashed him.

    Robson said it wasn’t until after Jackson’s 2009 death and the birth of his own son that he was psychologically and emotionally able to understand that Jackson had sexually abused him.

    Robson filed a late claim in a Los Angeles court against the dead singer’s estate, which is reportedly worth as much as $US1.5 billion ($1.61 billion).

    A lawyer for Jackson’s estate, Howard Weitzman, has labelled Robson’s delayed allegations as “outrageous and pathetic”.

    However, Robson’s lawyer, Henry Gradstein, said his client was so traumatised he could no longer dance, sing or write songs.

    Robson had built a career as one of the world’s top choreographers, partnering with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and winning an Emmy Award for his work on the US version of TV competition So You Think You Can Dance.

    He also co-wrote hit songs for ‘NSync and Backstreet Boys.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/jacksons-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date/story-e6frg6n6-1226729236100

    IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE MISINFORMATION FROM THE ABOVE SOURCE EVERYONE SHOULD REALIZE THAT IT IS AN INTENTIONAL PROVOCATION ON THE PART OF AEG!

    AND PROVOCATION OR NOT THEY ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE JURORS!

    THE TIME OF BREAKING THE NEWS IS TELLING THE WHOLE STORY!

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  19. Sina permalink
    June 14, 2013 4:32 pm

    The moving to Hawaii came from this and many other articles .I never heard and dont know about divorce and honestly couldnt care less about WR.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-moving-hawaii-article-1.1342374

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  20. June 14, 2013 4:16 pm

    “You wrote Wade was going through a divorve. I thought he’s still married, and now moved to Hawaii with his wife and son? Did he previously divorce anybody? I’m really not up to date, but I’d like to know. Thanks.” – Sonja

    It was mentioned by someone else and the conversation you saw was just the continuation of the topic. I never looked into Wade Robson’s private life and have no idea what’s going on there. You should ask Sina for details – she was the one who mentioned Hawaii. As to who spoke about the divorce I don’t remember. Can you do research of this matter and then tell us, please?

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  21. Sonja permalink
    June 13, 2013 12:04 pm

    You wrote Wade was going through a divorve. I thought he’s still married, and now moved to Hawaii with his wife and son? Did he previously divorce anybody? I’m really not up to date, but I’d like to know.
    Thanks.🙂

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  22. June 8, 2013 8:04 pm

    Thanks so much for your feedback. And yes the undue emphasis about the rehearsals prove to even more preposterous, given the fact that the AEG contract with Michael did NOT include attending of rehearsals to mandatory! The big bosses of AEG have now stated this themselves and have even admitted that in his earlier tours, Michael would just nail the shows without attending sufficient number of rehearsals. This was only natural
    for Michael, as the music and the choroegraphy was his creation! Who is Kenny Ortega to decide how many rehearsals Michael should be attending? It sounds ridiculous. And if indeed Michael was to pay for all the costs which AEG was only paying him in advance, then Michael should have been calling the shots anyway! AEG’s logic falls flat and as usual they end up contradicting themselves.

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  23. Linda permalink
    May 29, 2013 10:30 pm

    Most of the public respects the jury only when they bring about the verdict they want to hear. Fact is, we aren’t in that room to hear all the evidence brought forth. All we get is what the media wants to give us, which is just their slant.

    If we hadn’t had access to the transcripts in Michael’s trial, and went with what the media said, I would think him guilty also. Thank God we got those transcripts and we do know how the media functions. They are so transparent.

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  24. May 29, 2013 7:10 am

    “Truth is, everything Francia said back in the day was proven to be a lie, and she’s telling the same lies again now, and the media is printing this like it’s fresh. They’re puking up the same stuff again and most of the public will buy into it.” – Linda

    This is an amazing process. All those people testified at the criminal trial, were found to be lying, the verdict was not guilty on all counts – but no one pays attention to the verdict and the media still goes on repeating those old prosecution stories as if there was no trial at all? Aren’t all these people showing total disrespect for the US legal system in general?

    What’s the good of all these trials if no one respects the jury decisions anyway and the media presents the old allegations afresh? And it is not the case of some “new evidence uncovered”. NO, IT IS JUST THE SAME OLD LIES meticulously dissected at the 2005 trial. But at that time Michael had at least a defense attorney to debunk all those stories, while now the media takes the same stories from a dusty shelf, presents them as if new and spreads them without anyone able to speak for Michael this time!

    All of it looks like a total ridicule of the legal system and is simply a witch hunt carried out on a nationwide scale.

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  25. Linda permalink
    May 28, 2013 11:35 pm

    Truth is, everything Francia said back in the day was proven to be a lie, and she’s telling the same lies again now, and the media is printing this like it’s fresh. They’re puking up the same stuff again and most of the public will buy into it. It somehow surprises me that she would dare testify now for Wade when she was proven to be such a liar already. How can the media still convince people…Oh, right, because most people still have not done any research. They still believe in Francia’s original story because the media never retracted all their bs and probably never will. Thank God for the few journalist’s that write the truth, but too bad the public doesn’t seem to pay much attention to them.

    It’s still left up to the fans and a few honest journalists to get the truth out there, and thanks to Catherine’s lawsuit against AEG some truth is coming out. Hopefully enough comes out to get the guilty held accountable. Funny, the true fan’s have known all along what went on with Murray and AEG. The judge and jury saw it with Murray and I pray they will see it again now with AEG. I’m keeping the faith.

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  26. May 28, 2013 7:52 am

    “You are right about checking WR´s bank accouts.” – kaarin

    Sina has already told us about it – she read that he had sold his house and moved to Hawaii, which is a like a retirement. And this is a person who only recently was broke? By what kind of magic did he suddenly become so rich that he can afford not to work for the rest of his life?

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  27. May 28, 2013 7:33 am

    “Somehow they managed to pare down this trial to one fact only: “Was Murray hired by AEG?” – kaarin

    This is another of those illusions or manipulations to be more precise. Since the whole AEG’s huge case was reduced only to one point they claim that we need to look into this point only and everything else we discover about AEG mistreating Michael is ‘unimportant’.

    But what may be unimportant to Michael’s haters is important to his fans and supporters! With every new coming day we see more of the terrible way in which AEG was grinding Michael down, and if these people are really Michael’s fans they cannot be indifferent to it. Otherwise what kind of “fans” they are? Their star was slowly killed by AEG and they don’t give a damn?

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  28. May 28, 2013 7:16 am

    “They fall for it because they want to. Why is the question.” – kaarin

    My first reaction was to say “Because they are the same kind of people like WR”. Basically it is true because people behave only within the system of notions they themselves are guided by. And these people seem to exist on the same wave length as WR.

    Ignorance is one of the components of this wave length. If WR tells them in an interview something like “people should listen to what science says” (meaning his psychiatrist) they open their mouth and are probably impressed. They don’t know that a person who calls himself a scientist is not necessarily one and even within science there are so many schools of thought that what one of them (or even a whole pack of them) says may not be the truth at all.

    If someone believes WR they essentially behave like those natives who were given by conquistadors mirrors in exchange for their gold and believed that they received something terribly valuable.

    Another component of that wave-length is total inability to distinguish truth from lies. All of it is the same to them – lies, truth, illusion, fantasy, fairy tales told by Hollywood, make-belief stories. All of it is one and the same thing for them and with their total inability to tell one from the other the first person who comes and tells them his story is the one who leads them away. The more shocking the story is the more effect it has and the bigger the crowd following it is. A deplorable sight.

    From the point of view of true science WR’s story is impossible. So look for something else instead.

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  29. May 28, 2013 5:41 am

    They fall for it because they want to. Why is the question.

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  30. May 28, 2013 5:30 am

    You are right about checking WR´s bank accouts. Somehow they managed to pare down this trial to one fact only:Was Murray hired by AEG.I guess WR´s case is coming up in another context.

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  31. May 28, 2013 4:15 am

    “Another thought came to my mind. WR says at age 2 y. he played Thriller over and over, at times feeling scared and running off, then playing it again. That music video is a bit strong for such a young child, and if it is true that this happened he may well have caused himself a kind of hypnotic effect.”

    Kaarin, I am sure that there is no need for any psychoanalysis here. If during their “therapeutic seances” they hypnotized him they could have turned his childhood memories of “Thriller” into an injury. Watching horror stories is no good for anyone – even when you are an adult. They could have also implanted some false memories into his mind. But even this in my opinion can be sorted out if true experts look into the problem.

    The real problem here is public perception only. I am amazed that anyone in his right mind can fall for WR’s story. When I say to people that a person had 32 years of amnesia and all the time was refuting allegations about MJ with reasonable and even humorous statements and now recalls ‘abuse’, the only reaction I get is this – first they are silent for a couple of seconds and then ask a question “Have they checked his bank account for new entries?”. Those who have heard that it is about Jackson shake their heads and say “How much longer will they be doing it to him?”

    Up till now everyone I’ve spoken to are divided only into these two categories. Believing the story is not even considered an option. If MJ’s compatriots fall for this lie … well… speechless is all I can say.

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  32. May 27, 2013 5:17 pm

    Allegedly RW did not get on the Circe de Soleil Show because his son got sick.
    Children are extremely suggestible to movies, talk they hear and hypnosis.Ihave to make a confession here. I never used hypnosis professionally.When my son was 4-5 yo. I did a little experiment which I somewhat regret. I told him to imagine– that you are floating up in the air higher and higher. It did not last long before he told me: “Mummy, I am too high.”Then I immediately talked him he will come down safely and gave him an assuring hug.
    I never repeated this but it did surpise me.-This is why I mentioned the Thriller tape WR kept playing over and over.Also myself,my son and his father went to se a Melbrooks comedy. It had a ascene with blood that so upset my son that we left the movie and tried to assure him it was only make-belief.—I have also heard from one grown up male patient that he having overheard his mother and mothers friend talkinf about sharp nails and claim that since then he associated sharp nails with sex in a masochistic way.I am telling you these things to impress the easy susceptibility of children.–ps. my son didn´t get hightphobia nor anything else from my somewhat misguided little experiment.

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  33. May 27, 2013 3:58 pm

    Another thought came to my mind. WR says at age 2 y. he played Thriller over and over, at times feeling scared and running off, then playin it again. That music video is a bit strong for such a young child, and if it is true that this happened he may well have caused himself a kind of hypnotic effect.Personally I would have reacted had my 2 yo done that and discouraged this exessive behaviour.Would WR let his son do that over & over I wonder.

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  34. May 27, 2013 3:40 pm

    Wade´s mother ,joy Robson had a very negative view of June Chandler.The Chandler case happened right in the middle of the time when RW alleges he was having training sessions with MJ teaching him to lie.Also the marriage with LMP falls within the timeline.
    What I noticed in RW´s interview was almost “flat affect”. I say almost because I think the impression was created by him trying to give an appearance of telling truth. In previous interviews when praising MJ or talking about his own work he is animated, gesticulates appropriately.Now he sets up an unemotional tone as if that was more in accordance with telling the truth.He did not have flat affect proper, that is something often seen in schizophrenics and certainly he does not suffer from that.”nervous breakdown” can mean just anything,he could elaborate ,please!–Now Jordan has moved to CA ,possibly LA.
    Jordan took good care of the money from the unfortunate settlement, that maybe gives cause to bitterness for some.And what illness did RW´s son have? Young children are prone to several minor illnesses,flu, ear infections pneumonias,often viral ,all can well be taken care of are not anything that parents need to get overly upset over.RW maybe just needs to give up dancing,Michael did not have children during his most productive years. RW will never be Michael anyway.

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  35. lynande51 permalink
    May 27, 2013 1:53 pm

    The bottom line is … she could not see what she says she saw.That makes it a lie.

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  36. lynande51 permalink
    May 27, 2013 1:50 pm

    The fact is you can’t see into the shower from where she says she was standing outside the door to the shower and toilet.If she had walked into that room she would have stood right in front of Michael to see into it.If she didn’t see it she heard nothing the whole story is just a story made up for Hard Copy but not when it counted when she was under oath.
    The thing is that every single allegation was not turned over to the police to investigate but was turned over to get money from it.Every single one from Blanca to the Arvizos to now Wade Robson. It was a money lawyer first then came the police investigations As a matter of fact Wade Robson waited until there was only money involved and only asked for money. He is a liar now. What made him one is the same old answer that it has always been. Money. He must need it pretty badly to do this or else he just got encouraged and assisted by the wrong people..

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  37. May 27, 2013 3:01 am

    Helena,
    I have searched high and low for that information about the curtains always being drawn in the bathroom, but I can’t find it. I KNOW I have read it somewhere, but when I cannot find the source, we cannot really know if it is a credible source or not. So I guess we shouldn’t rely on it. Sorry.

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  38. May 24, 2013 3:08 am

    Dialdancer wrote:

    “It reported Wade is begging for more victims. Now this may seem like it says he is trying to make that DA style “ham sandwich”, but as a very wise person recently said: “We had been….lulled into believing we were pass this and could just focus on supporting Michael physical legacy.

    While we were being “lulled”, busy voting, ogling and arguing we got bushwhacked.

    Without us knowing a new law in CA which extends the Statue of Limitation, increasing age cut off for persons filing civil suits for claims of molestation. Just in time to cover Wade.

    What is behind the allegation who knows? Fame, money, revenge or coercion, but one thing which may have been a deterrent and if that did not work, could still be a possible tool is the California Anti-defamation Legacy Law. (CADeFLAW)

    What will it take…. another to come up with their new and improved story? Watch Taj Jackson’s sacrifice turned into the newest Late Night Host or Comedian’s joke, hounded by the Tabloids? Exposing his secret, because he told how his Uncle Michael tried to protect him from the very thing Michael is being accused of?

    HAD ENOUGH YET ???

    Please sign the new petition and if you have, then reach out to receptive people and groups in California and ask them reach out to people and groups they may know in California.

    Please go to: CADEFLAW

    http://antidefamationlegacylawadvocates.org/2013/05/

    Neither deceased King nor Beggar and those who are to carry on the legacy of their name and reputation should be subjected to defamation

    I fully support it! It is totally unethical to allow liars to hit the public with their lies and then run away with them. There should be a procedure of determining the truth and making the liars answer for what they do. Let the legislators decide what this procedure will be like but there should be one, otherwise every crook will be tempted to say outrageous things about every deceased celebrity whose estate can be pumped for money or just because he was bribed to defame the person in a third party’s interests.

    If the police investigate the case and find undisputable forensic evidence that’s another thing, and in WR’s case I would very much like a good and sound expert evaluation of WR and his story to be made.

    It would be great if an anti-defamation law obligated each “victim” to first address the police with their complaints and only then make the whole thing public. Otherwise people will derive dividends from the publicity campaign alone as WR is doing it now.

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  39. May 24, 2013 1:42 am

    “Forcing Mike to wear the earpiece even when Mike said it was hurting him, calling him names, are despicable details which just makes it clear that AEG is a money making corporate with no sense of art and how to treat artists. An artist is for them no different from a daily wage earner, where performance needs to be squeezed off the artist to recover the cost of every penny that is being invested! It does not seem to be necessary for an artist to be attending every rehearsal to make the show a success. What matters is the larger outcome, and it is an understatement that an artist of the calibre of Mike would have handled it beautifully. He needed to work on his own terms- and not on the conditions laid down by AEG, who were monitoring his every move! An artist needs to be free. Mike found himself being policed around. There was no trust or respect for him to start with. By the time Mike realised it, it was all too late.” – ssuparnagoswami

    I fully agree. Michael was simply bullied by these people though the choreographers themselves say that they did not introduce any new choreography into the tour – all of it was created by Michael and all those dance routines had been repeated by him a thousand times.

    And what AEG said about the need for him to go on stage every day is OUTRAGEOUS. They turned those rehearsals into an exhausting marathon even before the concerts started. The concerts were to be scheduled at least every other day, and over here he was to first train three hours at home with Travis and then go on stage with the company every day. These were OUTRAGEOUS DEMANDS!

    And Michael realised it from the very start of it, only he could not do anything about it. They threatened to pull the plug…

    P.S. Please give me some time for writing a post about it.

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  40. May 23, 2013 8:09 pm

    Thanks Helena. Yes I did give them a piece of my mind about it. AEG had promised to get ‘ugly stuff’ out about Michael in the course of this trial. And true to their words, they are bringing out some sordid stuff- not about Mike though, but about themselves alright! Forcing Mike to wear the earpiece even when Mike said it was hurting him, calling him names, are despicable details which just makes it clear that AEG is a money making corporate with no sense of art and how to treat artists. An artist is for them no different from a daily wage earner, where performance needs to be squeezed off the artist to recover the cost of every penny that is being invested! It does not seem to be necessary for an artist to be attending every rehearsal to make the show a success. What matters is the larger outcome, and it is an understatement that an artist of the calibre of Mike would have handled it beautifully. He needed to work on his own terms- and not on the conditions laid down by AEG, who were monitoring his every move! An artist needs to be free. Mike found himself being policed around. There was no trust or respect for him to start with. By the time Mike realised it, it was all too late.

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  41. May 23, 2013 7:50 pm

    That is correct. I did give them a piece of my mind about it. It is an irony that all the ‘ugly stuff’ that AEG promised would be coming into light about Michael is out alright, but it is their own dirty linen. And I guess this is what needs to be out. AEG is unwittingly giving out sordid facts about their own despicable behaviour towards Michael. Forcing Mike to wear the ear piece even when he said it hurt him, calling him names, infact the entire concept of monitoring the rehearsals of a legend such as Mike seems bizarre. AEG is a corporate, with no artistic sense. How can their top dogs determine how a rehearsal needs to be conducted? It sounded silly that they made it mandatory for Mike to attend each and every rehearsal. It looked like they were trying to make sure that they got made Mike work every second to recover the cost of their investment, very much like an employer hiring a labourer and ensuring that the employee does not waste even a minute of his time not working! Why did they not leave that to Mike? They did not give MIke that flexibility because they thought he was a ‘freak’ to begin with. There was no trust or respect ever. Only if Mike clould have sensed this- he should not have agreed to work with them. Not at the cost of his dignity.

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  42. newrodrigo permalink
    May 22, 2013 3:25 pm

    During the day, since the windows are positioned around the jacuzzi, then they would have to be drawn. To keep the sun from affecting the TV.

    Not to mention privacy, obviously.

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  43. May 22, 2013 3:04 pm

    I read somewhere that the curtains were always drawn but unfortunately I cannot remember where. I need to think for a few days and then I will get back to you.

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  44. Rodrigo permalink
    May 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    Why is it, every time somebody says something Michael, details change more time than people change underwear? It makes me laugh, honest to God.

    Blanca’s words are lies. LIES.

    But hypothetically, say to extent, true. We know Michael and the kids used to watch TV in the jacuzzi. So did she spin the truth, making it sound more sinister? Of course.

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  45. May 22, 2013 1:43 pm

    In fact in her earlier depositions in 1993/94 Francia said that she heard only ONE voice.
    She said about it to Thomas Mesereau:

    25 Q. Do you remember you were asked in your
    26 deposition, “Did you hear anything else other than
    27 Michael laughing?” And you said, “No”?
    28 A. Yeah.
    1 Q. Was that the truth?
    2 A. Yes.

    So I really cannot understand why we still have to discuss in full seriousness some crazy Diane Dimond’s stories about Blanca Francia “seeing him showering with boys”.

    Francia did not see. She did not hear. She heard only Michael laughing.

    So what’s the point?

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  46. May 22, 2013 1:21 pm

    “However, the garden door of the master bathroom leads into a private garden, surrounded by a high stone wall – so no one would be coming in that door unless they had walked out of it first. And the windows were covered by heavy, red curtains. (Michael was shy, remember? And to tell you the truth, I would not get into that jacuzzi either if there were no curtains.)Sorry to be such a Neverland nerd. I can’t help it. ” -Enola

    Yes, I know about the high wall and the garden being a private one (it is seen even in the picture), but this is not the point. If children were following Michael into the suite and he went into the bathroom, but they wanted to go on talking with him they could easily go outside and stand at the window. At least this is what I would do if I were in their place. You just turn the corner and you are there.

    And as regards the curtains I also remember that picture taken by the police during the raid with the curtains on the windows. But over here we need to be sure that those curtains were always drawn. Have you, by chance, any information about it?

    We should also remember that by the time of the police raid Michael had not been in Neverland at least for 3 weeks. Could anyone have used that jacuzzi in his absence? Omer Bhatti was there with his Norwegian friends and they could have set their own rules there.

    As to the shower, there is indeed a partition between the toilet and the shower, and if it is still there it means that to be able to see at least something Francia was to step into the bathroom, go past the toilet and stand just in front of the shower. I also doubt that she would have done that.

    That is why I was discussing the version with this partition missing. If it is still there then the whole story is absolutely ruled out.

    And no, I don’t think Francia saw anything – I was just checking up her story to see whether it was possible at all (in theory).

    In my opinion seeing anything was impossible, but she could hear something if she was evesdropping at the door – and the rest of it was the work of her (and Diane Dimond’s) imagination. As to the voices there are several possibilities here – Michael laughing to himself (for example, to what he heard over the radio) or someone talking to him through the window. But this again is valid only in case Francia heard any voices at all. The second voice she allegedly heard may easily be a lie too.

    If she is lying about seeing a blurred image behind the foggy glass door why can’t she lie about hearing the voice? She easily can.

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  47. May 22, 2013 12:18 pm

    Helena,
    You are welcome!
    If there is anything you need in regard to the Neverland floorplans, just leave a comment at my blog and then I will do whatever I can to help you.

    By the way – you are right – when you enter the master bathroom, the first door on the right hand leads into a closet – and a huge one too.

    However, the garden door of the master bathroom leads into a private garden, surrounded by a high stone wall – so no one would be coming in that door unless they had walked out of it first. And the windows were covered by heavy, red curtains. (Michael was shy, remember? And to tell you the truth, I would not get into that jacuzzi either if there were no curtains.)

    Sorry to be such a Neverland nerd. I can’t help it. 🙂

    Now, in all honesty, I don’t know what Francia was doing in the bathroom in the first place when she could hear Michael taking a shower. I am not even sure it was allowed.
    Do I think she saw something? Absolutely not. If you ask me, she would have had to walk past the toilet to make out Michael’s silhuette behind the glass. Even though it seems as if she was very curious, I cannot believe she was THAT curious.

    Much love

    Enola

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  48. May 22, 2013 8:11 am

    “The situation, steamed glassdoors,shadows, laughter or radio-sounds, seems like a Rorschach card to me. It is the one who looks at it who expresses the image and to whom the image perceived relates, nothing is purposefully clear” – kaarin

    Each person thinks only to the extent of his own depravity. Blanca Francia was reached by Gutierrez who implanted all sort of theories into her mind. As regards the timing she was selling her dirty story to Hard Copy in November 1993, or several months after the Chandler case broke out and two years after she was dismissed. By the time she spoke to police she could have ‘recalled’ lots and lots of things, but that laughter was the worst she could remember.

    It is also strange that though Gutierrez spoke to Francia on many occasions and even has a photo together with her in his book, as far as I remember he did not repeat her dirty story there.

    Out of the multitude of all those pieces of the “shower puzzle” (laughter, radio sounds, glass door, etc.) I think that the point about the steam is a decisive one. It shows where Francia and possibly the prosecutors decided to stretch the truth. They added this detail to explain why she could not see anything, just to make their story look more credible but instead this detail made the situation totally impossible.

    Test yourself – if the door to the bathroom is open there will be no steam, and you see everything clearly. For the glass to become steamy the door should be closed. And if the door is closed you cannot see anything – no underwear dropped, no blurred “image” behind the glass, no nothing. The door is closed and that’s it.

    The most you can notice under these circumstances is the sound. Laughter, radio and as Francia said, the voice that sounded like Wade Robson’s. But how loud should these voices be for them to be heard through the door, with the water running in the shower and the radio blasting? They should be very loud indeed, on the verge of shouting. And if there was some exchange going on through the window in the bathroom it would fit the situation perfectly.

    I can readily imagine the children following MJ everywhere he went (they followed him even to the bathroom as LMP said) and hovering around the place while he was taking a shower. It is an absolutely normal situation, and very easy to imagine too. For example, they dropped him into the pool (as we saw in the video), he ran away to take the shower and they followed him all the way laughing about their joke. Why isn’t it possible?

    And why should we always imagine the worst about MJ? Why can’t we imagine anything normal like the above? Especially since Wade Robson said that he NEVER took a shower with MJ! And said it under oath!

    P.S. And why should Michael suddenly take a shower (with another person?) just at the time when his maid usually comes to clean the room? Not early in the morning and not late at night when the maid is not there? Why in the middle of the day when she or anyone can enter the premises at any moment? No, no matter how you look the whole thing is absurd.

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  49. May 22, 2013 5:49 am

    The situation, stemead glassdoors,shadows, laughter or radio-sounds, seems like a Rorschach card to me.It is the one who looks at it who expresses the image and to whom the image percieved relates, nothing is puposefully clear.Everyone reads into it what is in their own mind.Don´t forget that Blanca Francia was close to Victor Guitirrez ,who was at the time actively working on her mind.It would be helpful to refresh the memory of the exact time this supposedly occurred.

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  50. May 22, 2013 4:56 am

    Guys, just let us put two and two together again:

    If the door is open, there is no steam and you see everything clearly (but Francia did not).

    For the glass door to become steamy the door to the bathroom should be closed, but then there is no chance to see anything.

    All you can do is hear. And Francia indeed did not see anything. She only thought she heard some voices through the laughter and the radio playing.

    But someone could be talking to him from behind the window and he could be laughing. Considering the radio they must have been shouting so this is why she heard it at all.

    And this is all there is to it.

    And even the matter of partition is not that important here.

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  51. May 22, 2013 3:16 am

    Guys, I have added the floorplan and more pictures of Neverland to the post, and corrected the earlier mistake but since it did take place it seems I need to make a special post about Michael’s suite and the general map of the ‘battlefield’. Will try to do it still today.

    P.S. NO, I’VE THOUGHT BETTER OF IT. With so much going on at the AEG trial we need to focus on it and not this WR or Francia. There will be a time to still write about Neverland.

    Here is the update I’ve made to the post:

    Elona Lee who is a complete expert on Neverland (her fantastic site is here http://enolalee.blogspot.ru/ has a big correction to make to this post – the jacuzzi is not in the same bathroom as the shower I provided a picture of, and is actually in the bathroom on the opposite side of Michael’s suite. This correction is crucial as this means that Francia was describing a different shower.

    Okay, then let us look at the plan of Michael’s suite then:

    Michael's suite in Neverland and two bathrooms

    This is the floorplan of Michael Jackson’s suite. the yellow arrow shows the Bedroom Downstairs and leads to the Master Bathroom, and the darker arrow shows the Bedroom Upstairs and the Gents’ bathroom and shower. The bathroom near Jacuzzi has a partition between the toilet and the shower.
    To visualize it better here are the pictures to accompany the floorplan.

    Miko Brando, Michael’s friend is showing to a CNN correspondent Michael’s suite. We see the glass door opening into the garden and a big glass window. Please compare it with the floor plan above:

    Photo of Michael's bedroom downstairs

    At the far right end of the suite there is a door leading to the master bathroom. When you enter it now you see a wall on the left over the basin with some wire hanging there – this is where some lamps and a mirror must have been before:

    On the right there are three doors – the first may be a closet, the second is the toilet/shower and the last glass door is opening into the garden:

    Another photo of the same bathroom shows the door to the toilet half open, and at this point we find that there is also a window right behind the toilet. The shower is not seen (at least from this angle):

    Well, what are your impressions, guys?

    My first impression is that the space is too open for anyone to hide any “activity” there. There are glass windows all around you and anyone can peek in or enter the bathroom through the glass door at any time.

    The second thing is that there is a window looking right into the bathroom, and if the window is open anyone standing outside the bathroom can look and even TALK to anyone taking a shower there.

    The third point I notice is that if you stand by the door and it is half open the way it is in the picture you can see only the toilet but not the shower.

    And the last point which is attracting my attention is that the floor plan has a partition between the toilet and the shower, and in this case the view of the shower was impossible at all. The shower could be seen only in case the partition had been pulled down ( if anyone has been to Neverland and seen it please advise), but otherwise it could not.

    And with a window in the bathroom the point about the “steam” is becoming all the more problematic – if the door and the window were half open then no steam could have ever accumulated there. And if there had been no steam the glass door would have been transparent and Francia would have seen everything clearly, of course only if 1) the door had been wide open and 2) there had been no partition to fully block the view of the shower.

    But with so many “ifs” I don’t know what Francia was talking about at all.

    Well, when you come to think of it she even said she had not seen anything. She only heard something and it was some laughter and the radio.

    Why are all dirty minds so much alike and so extremely boring?

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  52. May 22, 2013 1:40 am

    “You do have one tiny inaccuracy though. It does not change much – and besides we all agree that the maid was lying – I just want you to know that there were two bathrooms and not one huge one. The bathroom with the jacuzzi – the master bathroom – also had a shower. It was to the right of the jacuzzi and you got there by walking right past the toilet. The second bathroom you are showing is the gents’ bathroom at the other end of the master bedroom. The two bathroons are not linked. So it all took place in the master bathroom – the one that had the jacuzzi. And this means the maid must have been more than curious if she could see Michael’s shadow behind the glass. You can see the floorplans on my blog if you are interested. http://enolalee.blogspot.com” – enola

    Enola, thank you very much for the correction. This is indeed an inaccuracy and a big one at that, so the post needs re-making. I’ve been to your excellent blog before (it is in my blogroll as Enola Lee’s Neverland) and have seen the floorplan but it did not show the place of the showers so I put it away for some time and then forgot about it. This is how the crucial mistake arose – the jacuzzi is indeed on the other side of the bedroom, while the shower I used in the post is on the opposite side.

    Now that this point has become clear I will add a correction to the post. In the meantime I used your basic floorplan of Michael’s suite and marked the showers there. The shower you are talking of is marked yellow (and the one I was speaking about is marked orange).

    Michael Jackson's suite in Neverland

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  53. May 22, 2013 1:29 am

    “according to Francia, she saw MJ and Rodson in the shower together, but did not see what they were doing, because of the steam.” – Angie

    First of all I suggest you and everyone read the short excerpts from Blanca Francia testimony provided in this post. Then – hopefully – you will realize that we have three versions of Blanca Francia.

    The first version of Francia was presented by Diane Dimond of Hard Copy on TV. That version was full of vivid but totally false details. Showering together, WR, other naked boys, etc. None of it was true. Even Francia more or less admitted that the interview was full of incorrect details and that DD deceived her.

    The second version of Francia is her deposition made in 1993, a month after the Hard copy program. There she said (in a testimony under oath) that she didn’t see anything or anyone except the “image” of Michael in the shower. She did NOT see any boy. She did NOT see WR there. She only heard some laughter and assumed that there was someone else there.

    And the third version of Francia is her testimony at the 2005 trial twelve years after the events by which time her memory had suddenly clarified and she recalled everything much better than in 1993. It was then that she began speaking of WR.

    When Thomas Mesereau reminded her of her deposition in 1993 Francia had to agree that she had NOT seen anything. The only thing she heard was laughter and someone’s voice. Which could be the radio which was on too.

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  54. May 22, 2013 1:05 am

    These comments by Angie have been moved from another post to the post about Blanca.

    So Angie says:

    Many fans say MJ didn’t shower with Wade Robson, but why did Blanca Francia MJ’s former maid say she saw MJ and Wade showering together? During the 2005 trial, housekeeper Blanca Francia testified that she saw Jackson and Robson showering together when Robson was seven or eight years old in the late ’80s, but that steam from the shower prevented her from seeing what was going on.

    I know MJ wasn’t a child molestor, and some of the fans said MJ didn’t shower with Wade, but according to Francia, she saw MJ and Rodson in the shower together, but did not see what they were doing, because of the steam. It’s troubling to know that MJ showered with Wade. I don’t think it was good that MJ showered with Wade. Why couldn’t he allow Wade to shower alone. He was old enough to shower on his own. This is sort of scary. Any thoughts anyone?

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  55. May 20, 2013 3:20 pm

    Here are a couple of comments I read from an article and a MJ Site. I believe this is called bury your head.

    “Well that will show Wade and any others that try to cheat Michael. The big TV Media is not paying it any attention so they don’t believe it either.”

    “The courts are going to send him packing.”

    “They show it a lot on NBC but nobody really watches NBC.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    It reported Wade is begging for more victims. Now this may seem like it says he is trying to make that DA style “ham sandwich”, but as a very wise person recently said: “We had been….lulled into believing we were pass this and could just focus on supporting Michael physical legacy.

    While we were being “lulled”, busy voting, ogling and arguing we got bushwhacked.

    Without us knowing a new law in CA which extends the Statue of Limitation, increasing age cut off for persons filing civil suits for claims of molestation. Just in time to cover Wade.

    You cannot cover all bases in life, but if there are trouble spots you try to take care of them.

    It is like living what is considered a “nice” area and suddenly there are reports of burglary and property destruction. The reports show the homes where the burglaries took place and were not touched had either a dog or some visible warning about security.

    It does not mean a determined burglar could not get in, but why go to you when your neighbor is unprotected or makes it easy? The sight of the dog or security sign is a deterrent and their physical presence is a tool.

    What is behind the allegation who knows? Fame, money, revenge or coercion, but one thing which may have been a deterrent and if that did not work, could still be a possible tool is the California Anti-defamation Legacy Law. (CADeFLAW)

    What will it take…. another to come up with their new and improved story? Watch Taj Jackson’s sacrifice turned into the newest Late Night Host or Comedian’s joke, hounded by the Tabloids? Exposing his secret, because he told how his Uncle Michael tried to protect him from the very thing Michael is being accused of?

    HAD ENOUGH YET ???
    Please sign the new petition and if you have, then reach out to receptive people and groups in California and ask them reach out to people and groups they may know in California.

    Please go to: CADEFLAW

    http://antidefamationlegacylawadvocates.org/2013/05/

    Neither deceased King nor Beggar and those who are to carry on the legacy of their name and reputation should be subjected to defamation.

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  56. May 20, 2013 1:52 am

    Thank you for a well-written and informative article. You do have one tiny inaccuracy though. It does not change much – and besides we all agree that the maid was lying – I just want you to know that there were two bathrooms and not one huge one. The bathroom with the jacuzzi – the master bathroom – also had a shower. It was to the right of the jacuzzi and you got there by walking right past the toilet.
    The second bathroom you are showing is the gents’ bathroom at the other end of the master bedroom. The two bathroons are not linked.

    So it all took place in the master bathroom – the one that had the jacuzzi. And this means the maid must have been more than curious if she could see Michael’s shadow behind the glass.

    You can see the floorplans on my blog if you are interested. http://enolalee.blogspot.com
    It will make my points clearer I am sure.

    Anyway… Thanks again for your good work.

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  57. sanemjfan permalink
    May 19, 2013 11:11 am

    Here is Charles Thomson’s new post on Wade Robson’s lies: http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-sworn-testimony-that-will-come-back.html

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  58. May 18, 2013 8:05 pm

    The day I heard it I couldnt concentrate at work and took half day off.
    Isn’t that the truth?
    – Sina

    I couldn’t focus on work myself when I went on TMZ and saw that story. As soon as I heard this I thought AEG was responsible in some way coupled with Wade’s psychological downfall. For some reason I don’t feel that Wade is going to be able to keep up this story forever, he’s going to crack.

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  59. May 18, 2013 5:06 pm

    Helena, your explanations make very much sense. I also think that there can be a very personal reason behind it, and that it is probably a calamitous combination of several motives. What is so incredible is, just like so many people always wanted something from Michael, the same way there are so many who hold him responsible for their messed-up lives. He seems to bear the guilt for everything going wrong in some parts of the world and in people’s lives, if you look at the many legal cases that were imposed on him. People are projecting so many things onto Michael that have nothing to do with him, and WR does the same thing in his case. But at the same time I’m sure that this decision to come forward NOW was not only his own.

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  60. May 18, 2013 2:32 pm

    – the albums were not selling
    – The albums were selling, not as much as his previous albums but Invincible album sold big numbers and was number one all over the world when it was released.

    I am sorry. Of course they were selling, I was just trying to say that this was not the best of times for Michael, so even the timing for all those WR’s ideas about MJ ‘intimidating’ him is totally incredible.

    “I think Wade said on the Today Show that Michael was role playing with him during the 2005 trial and coaching him.”

    Once he stepped on this road he can say anything, absolutely anything now. It all depends on the extent of his fantasy.

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  61. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:23 pm

    I’m not sure but I think Wade said on the Today Show that Michael was role playing with him during the 2005 trial and coaching him. Ok we all know Michael’s condition during the trial we know testimony from family, friends how would Michael have the time or energy to coach Wade Robson during the trial.

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  62. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:20 pm

    “Now he’s claiming he was emotionally tortured and bullied by Michael to defend him and keep silent.”

    First of all just look at those pictures of him in court there is no sign of uncertainty he looks like a happy chap he even performs the peace sign. To me he looked really happy to be in court.

    “the albums were not selling”

    The albums were selling, not as much as his previous albums but Invincible album sold big numbers and was number one all over the world when it was released.

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  63. May 18, 2013 9:47 am

    “Wade is saying this basically – “Because of what Michael did to me, I could not process things psychologically and emotionally. Therefore, I had no idea what he was doing was abuse and sort of fazed it out of my mind”?” – Rodrigo

    This sounds like a set phrase from some repressed memory junk therapists. Here is a quote: “If you think you were abused and your life shows the symptoms, then you were and if you don’t remember your abuse, you’re not alone, many don’t have memories, this doesn’t mean they weren’t abused” (Ellen Bass and Laura Davis).

    And the symptoms cited include everything – from a pennant for wearing baggy clothes, obesity, depression or low self esteem to headaches, sleep disturbance, stomach aches, dizziness and eating disorders. That is the essence of it all – they tend to explain all these problems only by ‘child abuse’ though there could be a million other reasons for the same!

    “But as I said, I believe this has something to do with AEG. Nobody has been done for perjury. And with Wade claiming mental retardedness, that his defence. He knows this is not going to court, he’s in the safe zone – especially with him now pissing off to Hawaii. He’s done the damage he was PAID or MADE to do. And with that AEG can take some of the blame of their backs and effectively smear Michael’s name in the eyes of society and a jury.”

    The timing of it says that ALL of it has to do with AEG.
    They arranged a good smokescreen for themselves and their trial, and paying WR for living a comfortable life in Hawaii now is just too small a price for the big favor done.

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  64. May 18, 2013 9:01 am

    “Raven wrote in her post that something must have pushed WR over the edge from love to hate, and I think it’s true. There must be a reason for it. We can imagine the motivation of AEG to orchestrate something like that, but what is WR’s motivation? It is even an enigma to journalists and other people, so that according to my impression even many non-fans don’t believe him.” – Susanne

    Susanne, besides many others the motivation can be extremely personal – up to him being impotent (for example) or some sexual failures he could probably have. Some “therapist” could easily explain it by the fact that he closely associated with a man when he was a teenager and this close association (though it was only friendship) is now to blame for his current problems. If said by an “authority” this would be enough for him to hate MJ forever after, though Michael had nothing to do with it.

    And once that negative background is formed a couple of millions put into his pocket for dropping the word “p-le” to the media would be just an extra incentive to do away with MJ.

    But my personal opinion is that Robson is resentful of Michael for the fact that he had to wear the stigma of a “molested boy” for the most part of his life. While Michael was alive and he saw Michael’s own suffering he didn’t allow himself to give vent to this resentment, but when he died there was nothing else to control that feeling.

    Robson can easily say to himself – my whole life was ruined by that stigma, so why should I wear it just for nothing? I think that Jordan Chandler was motivated by the same – “If I am to carry the stigma for the rest of my life at least I know that I was compensated for it”.

    It wasn’t Michael’s fault that the media stigmatized his friends. It was his tragedy, but it was also the tragedy of those boys. And the one who is responsible for the tragedy is the media again, as well as the society as a whole.

    P.S. One more thing. Robson most probably expected the Estate to give him a good job in the Curque du Soleil show or other projects just for the reason that “he is good friend of Michael”. And in the circumstances I would have given him the job because the wound from that stigma does require support. They suffered together with Michael and if WR had had some setbacks while Michael was alive Michael would have done his best to help. WR most probably expected it from the Estate too. But the Estate refused him and refused him twice, after which there was no longer stopping WR.

    I am not justifying WR, I am simply explaining how I see his motives. People are rarely driven by one motive – usually it is a whole complex of them with one or two being the leading ones and the rest being just supportive.

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  65. Rodrigo permalink
    May 18, 2013 8:57 am

    It simply makes no sense. It’s pathetic.

    Wade is saying this basically –
    “Because of what Michael did to me, I could not process things psychologically and emotionally. Therefore, I had no idea what he was doing was abuse and sort of fazed it out of my mind” ?

    That makes no sense whatsoever. Unless he’s retarded, he must of known the reason why he was in court in 2005?
    Being poked and prodded about the same sexual abuse he’s now claiming happened to him? Thinking back hard and thoroughly to multiple times of his past, where the alleged abuse happened, and still coming up with a solid story of denial because it was the TRUTH?

    But as I said, I believe this has something to do with AEG.

    Nobody has been done for perjury. And with Wade claiming mental retardedness, that his defence. He knows this is not going to court, he’s in the safe zone – especially with him now pissing off to Hawaii.

    He’s done the damage he was PAID or MADE to do.
    And with that AEG can take some of the blame of their backs and effectively smear Michael’s name in the eyes of society and a jury.

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  66. May 18, 2013 8:39 am

    “It is the timing that makes his accusations suspect.Does he need to be sued for him to be forced to furher psych. evaluations? The courts or the judge & defence can ask and have to at times, request that a victim or an accused be evaluated by competent psychologists and psychiatrists. Just forget lie detectors. That is not enough.” – kaarin

    Lie detectors are absolutely not enough because if your supposition that Robson was abused in the family is correct (for example), then each time he is asked a question about MJ he will visualize the person who really abused him and remembering those scenes will produce the required effect. This is how they fool lie detectors – they ask you about one person and you keep thinking about another.

    I wish good independent experts could evaluate him. Unfortunately modern brainwashing techniques are so powerful that even scientists may not be able to see what’s what. But over here even simple logic and common sense can help. If you ask an ordinary person in the street whether such a situation is possible he will say that it is crazy and will be right. Some “therapists” should be reminded of simple common sense.

    I remember reading that Robson never went to school. He said he was home-schooled. Why? What was he doing all the rest of the time when he was not in Neverland? And to Neverland he came just twice a year, each time for no more than 2 weeks. All in all he was there 15-20 times, and on some of the occasions Michael was not even there.

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  67. Sina permalink
    May 18, 2013 8:22 am

    @ Susannerb. The day I heard it I couldnt concentrate at work and took half day off.
    Michael was entangled in a web of friends, busines associates , professionals some mixed in his private life, probably by his own invitation, that was like a 5th column.
    The sabotage I now believe always came from inside. People say Michael was paranoid and to a certain extent it could be true, because he could not grasp what was going on around him and didnt know who to trust.
    Since he passed I have found so much proof that Michaels surrounding was corrupted to the bone.
    AEG and their employees and Robson are only examples of the corruption, not exceptions.

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  68. May 18, 2013 8:13 am

    “Now he’s claiming he was emotionally tortured and bullied by Michael to defend him and keep silent. He was too terrified to speak up in 2005….even though this was the time when Michael Jackson had absolutely no power whatsoever over anything.” – Rodrigo

    Over here Robson’s story does not have a leg to stand on. Even by the media estimates Michael at that time had no power whatsoever – the albums were not selling really well, he was in debt, owed people money and had little cash. In fact at that time he was only trying to rise to his feet again, was working on a new album and a video to a new song “One more chance” which had a low budget – again for lack of money. As to his emotional state he was first devastated by Bashir’s film and then by Arvizos’ allegations, and was in a survival mode himself, so what “torturing” and “bullying” is this Robson talking about?

    Look at Robson and look at Michael Jackson. If one were to bully the other it would be Robson and not MJ.

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  69. May 18, 2013 6:47 am

    “i have a strong feeling that this wade will be ripped apart in shreds in court but our concern is mike’s legacy and we need to do the best we can do to protect his name”

    Goodie, I truly believe that this Judah deserves a good trial and should be ripped into shreds to do away with all these grifters once and for all. This will be the best way to keep Michael’s legacy intact. Otherwise it will never end. Every ten years someone else will pop up and in 50 years from now some new crooks will say that their grandfathers told them that they suffered in the hands of the ‘predator’ and how terrible these crooks’ sufferings were when they were listening to their grandfathers’ stories.

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  70. Susan M-S permalink
    May 18, 2013 6:34 am

    Susannerb, I agree with you regarding the statement Robson made stating as fact that “Michael is a “P”. At the time when he said that, it struck me that this was his true intent – to define Michael once and for all in the minds of everyone that that is who Michael is. I don’t mean to sound dramatic, but I think what we are witnessing is the attempt at the total annihilation of Michael’s legacy as a humanitarian, artist and man in the eyes of the world. He came across to me as vindictive towards not only Michael but to Michael’s 3 children. I would not want to be Robson’s child, raised by such a hateful liar.

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  71. May 18, 2013 6:26 am

    “Maybe someone can explain when even in the best of locations in Califronia there are problems moving property W.R. was able to sell his quickly and above asking. (if true…does come from TMZ.)
    NBC is on the roll again. Funny about them and Michael….. not really.
    Not only did they short the interview with Mr. Mesereau, showed a real tearjerker with Wade, but televised an unannounced commentary from Adriana McManus.” – dialdancer

    All of it only shows that there is a huge lobby consistently working against Michael. It is a dragon with several ugly heads – you cut off one, you cut off another but so many of them still remain and are rising again. These days only an imbecile will not see that there is some orchestrated effort behind all this. And the media even stopped pretending to be “unbiased”, “independent”, etc.

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  72. May 18, 2013 2:38 am

    Guys, I needed a few days to recollect and compose myself with all these news, and I still can’t wrap my head around it. I’m pondering over why someone is capable of doing this – to throw a friend of 20 years, whom he owes so much, under the bus. It’s right, it shouldn’t distract us from the trial, but it is too shocking to just push it aside. I have to think permanently about the motivations of WR. I think the Estate should hire a PI to find out everything about the background of this story.
    Raven wrote in her post that something must have pushed WR over the edge from love to hate, and I think it’s true. There must be a reason for it. We can imagine the motivation of AEG to orchestrate something like that, but what is WR’s motivation? It is even an enigma to journalists and other people, so that according to my impression even many non-fans don’t believe him.
    To me it is so hurting and unimaginable that someone is so evil and commits such a betrayal after such a long time. If MJ were still here, this would kill him finally.
    When WR said the P….. word at the end of his interview it seemed to me that there was a stipulation with his “contractual partners” that this word had to be dropped. It was a “key word” and it sounded preconcerted.
    We need a lot of patience now until this will be clarified one day. I really have to pull myself together to stay focused on the trial, and I will do it. But I understand better and better the evil world Michael had to live in and what he had to cope with. No wonder he is dead.

    This is a great article of Joe Vogel: http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts

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  73. May 18, 2013 1:10 am

    Sure, I believe Jason Francia is not “following” this story. I believe eating really moldy cheese is good for the tummy too. It makes for a nice denial statement for a later deposition.

    Michael Jackson was a target for civil suits during his life and continues in to death. The worst were after the 93 and particularly 2003 allegations. This allegation and suit could continue a precedent set 20 yrs ago unless the truth comes out. Jurors bragged of voting against MJ out of a misguided sense of justice in business suits he should have won.

    There is a lot of talk about possible perjury charges and Wade Robson. Because perjury is a criminal offense the DA would have to decide whether to pursue that case and that is usually based on whether they obtain a conviction or not. I have been looking and I cannot find where anyone has been given a prison sentence for perjury that was not tied to an ongoing criminal trial and even then it is usually added to more serious offenses.
    Besides if he says he did not remember and testified in good faith why would a DA go after him?

    I am not trying to be a downer, but in 2011 Murray is sent to a county jail rather than state prison. Does two years rather than four. California all but opened the doors for thousands with greater offenses than perjury.

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  74. sanemjfan permalink
    May 17, 2013 9:23 pm

    Wanna know what Jason Francia has to say about Wade Robson’s allegations? Here ya go! http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/son-of-mj-maid-who-claimed-king-of-pop-fondled-him-says-hes-not-following-latest-molestation-case/

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  75. May 17, 2013 4:10 pm

    It is the timing that makes his accusations suspect.Does he need to be sued for him to be forced to furher psych. evaluations?The courts or the judge &defence can ask and have to at times, request that a victim or an accused be evaluated by competent psychologists and psychiatrists.Just forget lie detectors.That is not enough.Now he claims he never repressed anything but was bullied by Michael.Or that they had these sessions when Michael verbally threatened him.And that this went on til he was 14 yo.! Michael did sue DD for 100mln. Sneddon came to her rescue.Sorry to waste space on this 2-.faced SOB.

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  76. May 17, 2013 3:45 pm

    One can truly wonder about the kind of realtionship RW had with his parents.It is understandable that in cases of incest there might be.,or lets say there are major child-parent problems and that a victim of incest is indeed in a difficult position,able to totally upset the family balance, even though it is by definition pathological.–It must have been poor in RW`s family.It is unthinkable that a child would not try to communicate with a parent re something troublesome of this magnitude.I suspect that there was a silent,secret pact not to talk about this,to guarantee his dancing-music career.The poor parent-child relationship would,if his statements now are true, have been the real problem.Or this is just RW`s fable,to get his hands on money once the opportunity has risen.This is deceit whatever way you look at it.And he changed from repressed memories to a different story after he read the critic on repressed memories.And all along made sure the media was instantly informed.

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  77. Rodrigo permalink
    May 17, 2013 1:58 pm

    But now he’s playing more of the victim card.

    Now he’s claiming he was emotionally tortured and bullied by Michael to defend him and keep silent.

    He was too terrified to speak up in 2005….even though this was the time when Michael Jackson had absolutely no power whatsoever over anything.

    Wade was not intimidated into keeping silent by anyone at that point…he was defending an innocent man, his friend and mentor, over terrible crimes that involved himself and other kids.
    And sooner as somebody honest and right minded gets that out there, the better.

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  78. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 17, 2013 11:24 am

    @Rodrigo

    ” it will create a massive and devastating lie for Michael’s name.”

    But it will perhaps discredit Wade and show his true colours and that the fact that Wade is a pathological liar who is willing to defend someone who he accuses now of abusing him it can prove that Wade can NOT be trusted therefore should not take his claim any further.

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  79. Rodrigo permalink
    May 17, 2013 7:11 am

    Here’s what’s troubling.

    If Wade gets brought up for perjury, then that will show that what he said about Michael is true.

    He might come up with the story, have something concrete in his defence, and if he gets done for it in some way…this will show everyone that he defended Michael and knew about the molestations, it will create a massive and devastating lie for Michael’s name.

    Is this what AEG have up their sleeves?

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  80. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:03 am

    Does this mean Wade Robson can be charged with perjury because he admitted in that interview that there was no case of repressed memory and that he knew what Michael did to him all the time and he never forgot.

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  81. goodie permalink
    May 17, 2013 5:20 am

    i have a strong feeling that this wade will be ripped apart in shreds in court but our concern is mike’s legacy and we need to do the best we can do to protect his name

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  82. Rodrigo permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:24 pm

    I’m seriously hoping this Wade business is just a distraction.

    But I have a bad feeling it’s just step 1 of something bigger to secure AEG’s victory. And it’ll cause serious, perhaps permanent damage to Michael’s legacy if successful.

    Adrian McManus, Wade Robson, these other supposed two accusers….

    What is being done here?

    Adrian claiming crap on Michael’s drug issue, so exaggerated. But she always claimed and did again recently, that Michael was a depraved monster, that died twice.

    Wade is claiming the same thing now.

    And we know how things got with Michael after the accusations in 1993.
    Everybody claimed the problem resurfaced back in 2005, but there was no proof he took drugs.

    But the pattern here is…He was junkie and p-le.

    From there, if this increases, they can claim Michael died because he was guilty and took to drugs because of that stress, nothing to do with them and their pressure on him.

    They can effectively appear to have no knowledge of any of this and then use it as a weapon later on.

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  83. May 16, 2013 6:04 pm

    Helena said:

    “They wanted a distraction and they have it.
    They wanted to create a reason for the public to hate Michael and they have it.
    They wanted to fight by means of ugly things and they are fighting this way.”

    And it is a major distraction away from the Wrongful death trial. From paying close attention to testimony of all witness then and now.

    Maybe someone can explain when even in the best of locations in Califronia there are problems moving property W.R. was able to sell his quickly and above asking. (if true…does come from TMZ.)

    NBC is on the roll again. Funny about them and Michael….. not really.

    Not only did they short the interview with Mr. Mesereau, showed a real tearjerker with Wade, but televised an unannounced commentary from Adriana McManus.

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  84. May 16, 2013 5:14 pm

    Thank you @Linda ^^ I will try to keep it up. I’m kind of new to all of this…

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  85. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 5:07 pm

    have you guys heard of taj’s revelations that he was sexually abused by his maternal uncle and Michael practically saved him?
    . wade is not going through this that easy

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  86. May 16, 2013 5:01 pm

    “I honestly see them building up to this. If they have it planned and it can be pulled off, will save them – I see them doing it.” – Rodrigo

    After reading AEG’s “contract” I realized that AEG is such a monster that they are capable of absolutely anything. It is a ruthless bulldozer, only a money-making one. If there is anyone standing in their way it will run over this man’s body and crush each of his bones.

    But several miraculous occurrences (“coincidences”) that have already taken place around Michael make me hope that the Maker will not allow this to happen. We need to do everything that is in our power and He hopefully will do the rest.

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  87. Rodrigo permalink
    May 16, 2013 4:50 pm

    That’s true all true, Helena.

    But could this all be used as their growing tactic? That they will use this to back them up?

    AEG will claim that Michael would eventually go out like that because he was stressed up because he was a child abuser and being in the public’s judgement again after the trial, and not because of them and their pressure? That he hid it from them, just like he hid everything else dark in his life.

    I honestly see them building up to this. If they have it planned and it can be pulled off, will save them – I see them doing it.

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  88. May 16, 2013 4:27 pm

    “This is just speculation. There’s nothing there to suggest this.” – Rodrigo

    The timing is there to suggest this. You are not convinced? And you wanted AEG to come out and say that it is them who are arranging all this business?

    Really?

    They wanted a distraction and they have it.
    They wanted to create a reason for the public to hate Michael and they have it.
    They wanted to fight by means of ugly things and they are fighting this way.

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  89. Dolores permalink
    May 16, 2013 4:21 pm

    where did AEG dig her up from? she didn’t get it right when she was at the courts ,when she was on the stand , why do they think that we will believe her now, she lied then and is lying now. this lady sold this story to them lying papers to get money , so I guess she hasran out of money, so she is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!. remember, AEG said that they was going to bring some bad stuff out about Michael , here it is , a bunch of lies.

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  90. Dolores permalink
    May 16, 2013 4:04 pm

    You already know that this is from AEG, that this person claim Michael never ,ever molested any children, ontop of that he was found not guilty of all the accounts , where did this person come from and who is he ? he must need money ,another one of aeg suckers. He is lying through his neck, why now , He is gone , while that didn’t come out then when all this was happening. These people are trying to be paid , or to be seen , they want their shot of fame by using Michael’s name or to drag his name through the mud some more,or they are being paid to take our attention off of the case that is going on. I am still paying attention to the trail and you people that is trying to start something, stop it ,it’s not going to work. So tell your boss’s that we are still with Mrs Jackson and we as fans OF HER SON got her back…… you heard!!! Mrs Jackson I am praying for you and MJ’s kids.May God Bless You.

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  91. Rodrigo permalink
    May 16, 2013 3:48 pm

    This is just speculation.

    But does anybody reckon this has been done to play into AEG’s favour?

    That they will have Michael branded a messed up p-le, who coped by abusing prescription drugs, etc?

    Shifting the blame away from them and their pressure on him to suggest this was his way of life anyway?

    That they can’t be blamed for him dying from his guilt?

    There’s nothing there to suggest this. But it is a tactic.

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  92. May 16, 2013 2:53 pm

    One last thing . No matter what the outcome, he does not deserve to be anywhere near Michael .

    I suggest everyone who has an MJ Opus tear out the Robson page and every other page, picture, cd cover or outlet of Michael where he is on and send it to the Today show.

    His name should be deleted in everything Michael.

    The MJE executors should call back everything that is out where he is on. – Sina

    RIGHT!

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  93. Sina permalink
    May 16, 2013 2:50 pm

    One last thing . No matter what the outcome, he does not deserve to be anywhere near Michael .
    I suggest everyone who has an MJ Opus tear out the Robson page and every other page, picture, cd cover or outlet of Michael where he is on and send it to the Today show.
    His name should be deleted in everything Michael.

    The MJE executors should call back everything that is out where he is on.

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  94. May 16, 2013 2:45 pm

    “EMILY: The way things are happening with Wade is quite common, it’s just that the person who did it to him is (well was) rich and famous.”

    I wish those Emilies could shut up. A 14 year old boy understands everything very well. A small child may not understand what is happening to him (or her) in case of abuse, but even a small child will realize that something is terribly wrong.

    I also had an “incident” when I was 5 or 6 (and wasn’t going to school yet). A person who lived in our apartment house invited me to his flat where his wife and son were having dinner. He put me on his lap and I was sitting there at the same table with all of them. I won’t tell you what he did to me (even 55 years later it is still an awful thing to recall) but I remember that scene in every possible detail up to the disturbed expression on his wife’s face when she was looking at me sitting on his lap. She looked at me again and again but didn’t say a word. And I did not say anything because I was frightened like hell. After he finally let me go I could never go past the door of his flat without my heart beating madly and a nauseous feeling choking me. My only wish was to never see him again. And I remember this feeling even now.

    So repressed memories are out of the question. A scientist who examined 11,000 cases of child abuse did not register a single case of a “repressed memory”. A child’s memory will try to block the incident, that’s true, but saying that you can totally “forget” it – especially if you 14 – is completely insane. It is like forgetting that you were at Auschwitz as one scientist said.

    And the fact that Robson is now changing his story means that he realized (or was advised by those who are monitoring the situation) that this variant is no good.

    Now it looks like they are working on the version of Robson being “intimidated” by MJ and his “career to be over in case he told the truth”.

    But this is complete BS again. In the circumstances of the 2005 trial testifying AGAINST Jackson was the best spring-board for boosting a career. He could have given a hundred interviews, he would have been offered utmost publicity and would have been praised on a national level for his “courage”, “honor”, “saving other children from this monster” – in short they would have turned him into a national hero.

    No, it was exactly the other way about. Defending Michael Jackson at that time was like dooming himself to total isolation. The suspicion of molestation still remained (no matter what he said) but there was no chance to derive any “benefits” from the situation. No publicity (only a negative one), no praise, no nothing.

    And this is what most probably did happen. After the 2005 trial Robson’s career evidently went for a decline and one of its reasons was his testimony at the trial. He like all the rest of them was ridiculed in the most merciless manner. As a result of that he may have grown even hateful of Michael. Now he may really think that Michael is the root of all his misfortunes and is sort of taking revenge on him.

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  95. Sina permalink
    May 16, 2013 2:27 pm

    BEND BUT NOT BROKEN

    I can’t watch the interview yet and it sounds worse than I thought.
    A few things from what I heard , not seen myself

    He would never put his family through this if it wasn’t true.
    If his allegations are true isn’t that exactly what he did to all the other alledged victims. He stood and watch Gavin and his family grilled, exposed and humiliate as well as the other victims . He withstood interrogation and cross examination by vindictive DA, voluntarily and frequently used the media to praise Michael to high heaven, went to his funeral wrote in his opus and made himself part of Michaels legacy. !!

    If his recent interview is as convincing as his 20 year long defense of Michael, then he is a pathological liar, a typical psychopath who is able to simulate any kind of emotion. Which one is the real WR?

    He is also an actor so he knows exactly how to convey emotion or to play the victim.

    What happened after he turned 14, no more phonecalls to not tell? Between 14 and 20 something no awareness. Grilled on the stand by Sneddon cs: no awareness, marrying and probably having sex with his wife(didn’t he marry at Neverland where abuse took place?) : still no awareness, Michael dies: no awareness, Joining the opus : no awareness ; Applying to be on cirque Immortal : no awareness. Michael dead 1,2,3 years, no awareness , AEG trial starts : awareness pops up.

    (from fan on all for love blog) His sister, Chantal on FB: “Hey guys watch the today show tomorrow morning Thursday the 16th. My brother Wade Robson will be telling his truth.”

    She made an anouncement like on a market place : come and see!. Is that how you deal with your brothers trauma?How sensitive. Sounds more like attentionwhoring.

    He like his sister said in the interview this is HIS truth. Why didn’t he say this is THE truth?
    Because he can blame it on the therapist.
    This is a term used by therapists, who even though they have no way of knowing if someone was really molested as they are not detectives and don’t have those skills to find out, ,they are required to acknowledge the patient /client in HIS truth. Even if they them self provoked this truth and even if they don’t believe it.
    The point of therapy is to help the patient accept his truth and help him cope with dysfunction, whether it is historically true or not. Actual truth is irrelevant as long as it helps.
    The abomination is therapists and lawyers who take someone’s PERSONAL truth and make it into THE truth and base their case on it.

    And where is his mother who always supported him when he was defending Michael? Why is she silent? Does she agree? Or will he sue her too ?

    I would like to ignore him, but every bit of information that will help vindicate Michael again will be needed. The outcome of one case can support the other case.

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  96. May 16, 2013 2:13 pm

    Sorry, the previous comment wasn’t towards you Helena. You’ve been writing about the connection with AEG. Many are commenting about Wade.

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  97. May 16, 2013 2:08 pm

    “The Wade thing is meant to be a distraction, let’s not dedicate both sites (Vindicatemj and Michael vindication 2.0) to his betrayal.” – Tatum

    No-no, I am not going to spend my time telling everyone that Robson is a liar. What I really want to see is a good scientific evaluation of this guy. A board of several world-renown experts who should test him for as long as it is needed. And a good investigator to trace all his ties to AEG. And check up his finances and when exactly his “substantial savings” appeared. And why he can now afford retirement in Hawaii if only a couple of years ago he was broke.

    As to this blog I will go on with the AEG trial.

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  98. May 16, 2013 1:57 pm

    The Wade thing is meant to be a distraction, let’s not dedicate both sites (Vindicatemj and Michael vindication 2.0) to his betrayal. We’d be giving AEG what they want. Plus sanemj is covering this topic in full detail, and doing well with it I might add.

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  99. May 16, 2013 1:54 pm

    I wonder what extent is the inaccuracy (2 or 5 lbs) because it would have to be at least 10 lbs off. Michael in his younger years at times has gained and been really thin to be considered underweight. It was really sad what the coroner said about the benzos – that these drugs made it impossible for his body to try and survive the propofol intake.

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  100. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 16, 2013 1:45 pm

    So Wade is saying now it was not a case of repressed memory, I think he is saying that because he has seen the feedback and a lot of smart people are not buying his repressed memory crap.

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  101. May 16, 2013 1:10 pm

    “Based on what we already knew from Michael’s autopsy, it was pretty obvious that the coroner’s testimony would conflict with Karen Faye’s personal observations. This is the only area where Katherine’s lawyer is failing.” – Tatum

    But you know, Dr. Roger practically agreed that there could be some inaccuracy in his estimation of Michael’s weight due to the fact that Michael was given fluids when they tried to bring him back to life:

    Earlier in the day, Christopher Rogers, the Los Angeles County deputy medical examiner, testified that Jackson’s weight was in the normal range for his height. Rogers said that Jackson was 5 feet, 9 inches tall and 136 pounds when he was weighed and measured at the coroner’s office the day after he died.

    Rogers said he gave Jackson a body mass index of 20.1. It would take a BMI of less than 18.5 for him to be considered underweight.

    Rogers’ testimony was used by AEG to try to rebut witnesses who testified that Jackson was rail thin. A paramedic testified that when he answered the 911 call to Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills mansion, the singer was so emaciated that he looked like an end-stage cancer patient who had come home to die.

    However, under questioning by Jackson attorney Michael Koskoff, Rogers said that by the time the pop star was weighed, intravenous fluids had been administered to him in the ambulance and at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, which could have increased his weight.

    Rogers testified that Jackson didn’t have much fat on him. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-vocals-20130513,0,6854924.story

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  102. May 16, 2013 12:34 pm

    Based on what we already knew from Michael’s autopsy, it was pretty obvious that the coroner’s testimony would conflict with Karen Faye’s personal observations. This is the only area where Katherine’s lawyer is failing. If they stop listening to reports about drugs, starvation, etc and find out the truth about Michael’s condition they will help the jury see the full picture. Michael was a loving, caring, healthy 50 year old father trapped in a slave-like contract with a negligent company.

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  103. May 16, 2013 12:19 pm

    “I want to see a time line from Wade. I want to see every single thing he is accusing Michael of, listed, on a time line. With days, dates, times….the where, the how, the why. Where was everyone else? What were they doing? Can he substantiate any of it?” – goodie

    Goodie, the worst part of it is that with so much research done in this blog (for example) and the AEG agents reading each of its posts, it is absolutely no problem to INVENT and DESCRIBE whatever there is to describe concerning Michael. I myself could write a great script for this Judah and provide him with details which no one among the general public yet knows (only I’ll never do that of course – it is just an example to show how easy it is).

    Unless no new methods have been devised the ONLY method of learning the truth is to put this Judah under a deep hypnosis. Or the lie detector procedure (though I hear that it is not very credible and Robson is the kind of a person who can defeat even the lie detector). He controls himself very well and when answering questions there are ways to deceive it.

    If Robson is to be examined under hypnosis it should be done quickly. NOW.

    By the way Michael was hypnotized by Uri Geller and exactly for the same reason – to find out his thoughts about children. Geller said that this way he made sure that Michael did NOT molest anyone.

    Uri Geller should be brought in and testify.

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  104. May 16, 2013 12:06 pm

    “Here is the video of Wade Robson betraying MJ!… his telephone is blowing up right now with offers for more interviews, a book deal, and probably a made for TV movie!” – sanemjfan

    David, I haven’t yet watched it and am absolutely unwilling to do it (though will have to). But I want to say that to stop this craziness the Estate (or whoever has the power to do it) must carry out an extensive examination of this Judah and employ methods like hypnosis, etc. to go down to the bottom of this scam.

    He should be examined by a board of independent and highly credible experts.

    Frankly I cannot even understand why they allow Robson to make rounds on TV without a proper evaluation of his ideas first.

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  105. May 16, 2013 11:53 am

    “Lena plz consult your mother over repressed memory plz this wade robson is killing me” – goodie

    She says that it is bullshit. Repressed memories do not work this way.

    The only possibility here is that Robson lied during the 2005 trial and lied intentionally. But I don’t believe it either – for a number of reasons.

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  106. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:30 am

    there this one comment on Tmz that came to my concern

    EMILY
    I guess no one understands pedophilia and child abuse. The way things are happening with Wade is quite common, it’s just that the person who did it to him is (well was) rich and famous. It’s VERY common for people who were abused to take years or decades to acknowledge, understand and accept what happened to them. It’s disturbing to me that people can’t even consider that Michael, who was abused himself as a child and worked like a dog, might have suffered enough trauma to lead to abusing children himself. Look at the Jackson fam! There is clearly a lot of trauma and mental illness there.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/wade-robson-michael-jackson-molestation-today-show-video/4/#comments-anchor#ixzz2TT8Kryze

    its actually very not normal to me, now i cannot say about repressed memory as it did not happen with me,but the man who molested me told me that nothing happened and all that BS but i knew what happened was horrible, it practically killed me,i just so desperately wanted to die that i tried everything a 10 year old could think of from eating soaps,shampoo to drinking toilet cleaners from piercing needles in my wrists to deliberately eating any kind of pills i could find i felt so dirty that i would spent hours under the shower crying and all i wanted was to go on a roof and shout… only god knows how was i saved… and it kills every time i think about it so this wade robson thing is out of my grasp

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  107. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:29 am

    for those lyk me who could not watch it
    Wade Robson says the only reason he’s now changing his story … accusing Michael Jackson of sexually abusing him for 7 years is because Michael engaged in a campaign of manipulation to keep him silent, especially during MJ’s 2005 child molestation trial.

    Robson went on NBC Today and said, Michael “performed sexual acts on me and forced me to perform sexual acts on him” from the age of 7 … until Robson was 14.

    Robson claimed he testified in 2005 that Michael did NOT sexually abuse him because Michael told him what they were doing was “an expression of love” … and added, “if you ever tell anyone what we’re doing both of our lives and our careers will be over.”

    TMZ broke the story … Robson filed a creditor’s claim against Michael Jackson’s estate last week, insisting MJ sexually abused him during his childhood for years, but according to sources he didn’t take action until he saw a therapist following a nervous breakdown.

    Robson referenced the breakdown on Today, saying … “For the first time in my life I began to realize that my completely numb and unexplored feelings in relation to what Michael did to me might be a problem and maybe I need to speak to someone about it.”

    Interestingly, Robson denied repressing memories of the alleged abuse … instead saying he was merely “psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”

    Robson added he doesn’t excuse the alleged abuse, but he believed Michael was a “troubled man” who was an amazing talent, but “also a pedophile.”

    Michael Jackson’s estate has told TMZ Robson’s allegations are an “outrageous and pathetic” money grab.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/wade-robson-michael-jackson-molestation-today-show-video/4/#comments-anchor#ixzz2TT7WsTYM

    as far as i am concerned this guy lost all his credibility for me now

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  108. May 16, 2013 9:45 am

    If there is even a speck of truth in RW-story he should sue his mother. If I recall she divorced
    his father and then she + children moved to US,California. Very much for the sake of her son acquiring a great career.How and where did they live in California?. I am not that knowleable re this family.Anyone knows his date of birth and the exact age of his son?He claims he did not know it was sexabuse???How ignorant can he have been. He was asked very specific questions in 2005.
    Being afraid on behalf of his son?There are very good methods of innoculating even very young children against sexabuse. As long as they do live with a or both loving parents.
    Making these kind of allegations for the world to hear is not one of them.

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  109. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:32 am

    Originally Posted by RedCorvette
    I’ve been doing some Mathematics. Wade was born in 1982. That means the years when he was aged 7 to 14, were 1989 to 1996.

    By the way, I think he changed his story, on the Today Show interview from how it was reported, initially……he didn’t move to LA with his family until he was nine, so the “alleged abuse” couldn’t have happened until after that. So, we’re supposed to believe that Michael was “systematically” abusing Wade, over this whole period of time. All the way throughout: the production and release of the Dangerous album; the Dangerous World Tour; numerous public appearances to receive awards; the launch of the Heal the World Foundation; some herculean efforts to raise money for charity; addiction to pain killers and a subsequent stint in rehab; various accusations, lawsuits, court appearances and depositions; marriage to Lisa Marie and later a divorce; miscarriage of a baby with Debbie Rowe; marriage to Debbie Rowe and fathering of baby number two.

    I cannot and do not believe it. 1) Michael was getting married and divorced and fathering children. 2) The Jordan Chandler accusations came out and Michael was embroiled in that, when Wade must have been about 10 or 11. Surely Wade would have said something to his parents THEN?!? Surely his parents might have taken a second look at their own situation and started to think about how Michael was conducting himself around their son, or other kids?!?! Wouldn’t they start to wonder….. hmm…..why DID this guy pay for us to move from Australia?!?

    I want to see a time line from Wade. I want to see every single thing he is accusing Michael of, listed, on a time line. With days, dates, times….the where, the how, the why. Where was everyone else? What were they doing? Can he substantiate any of it? You don’t get to say this stuff about someone like this and just leave it out there. He needs to be grilled, big time, over this. Grilled mercilessly. Otherwise, the Estate should counter-sue him for slander. I’m absolutely seething, that he was allowed to sit on national TV and call Michael a pedophile. He was singing Michael’s praises only a few short months ago and telling people on Facebook that he was going to be working in the Cirque Du Soleil show.

    this is what i read on positively michael and it makes a lot of sense actually

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  110. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:05 am

    Lena plz consult your mother over repressed memory plz this wade robson is killing me

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  111. sanemjfan permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:59 am

    Here is the video of Wade Robson betraying MJ! I know it will be very difficult for some to watch, but it’s in everyone’s best interest to watch it and study his every word and facial expression, because this is what the fan community will be up against. This surely won’t be the last you’ll hear of him, because I’m willing to bet his telephone is blowing up right now with offers for more interviews, a book deal, and probably a made for TV movie!

    http://www.today.com/entertainment/wade-robson-pedophile-michael-jackson-abused-me-7-years-1C9948163

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  112. goodie permalink
    May 16, 2013 6:14 am

    i just wish everything goes right i am just so freaked out right now and so sad, i am not going to see it

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  113. May 16, 2013 1:25 am

    Here is one more quote from Dr. McNally about repressed memories: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2848614.htm :“you don’t find people forgetting that they were in Auschwitz”.

    This is the essence of it. Of course if you were 3 years old you could forget, but at the age of 7-14 it is impossible.

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  114. May 15, 2013 9:33 pm

    Helena,

    Just got word that California changed the law for the Statue of Limitations on molestation cases very recently.

    I am on my way to listen to Mr. Mesereau on the King Jordan Blog Talk Show

    http://sd15.senate.ca.gov/news/2013-05-07-bill-extend-statute-limitations-sue-child-molesters-clears-committee

    You must listen to King Jordan’s interview.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king/2013/05/16/tom-meserau-defends-michael-jackson

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  115. goodie permalink
    May 15, 2013 12:46 pm

    lena plz add the article in your comment to the original article it will be good to spread the word

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  116. goodie permalink
    May 15, 2013 12:23 pm

    I am sad and heartbroken,i just wish that truth prevails and someone asks him about the scientific research on RM quoting the exact words of the psychiatrists

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  117. Sina permalink
    May 15, 2013 10:11 am

    There are more holes that can be shot in RM .
    The theory is based on case studies, dating back to Freud and has never been scientifically substantiated. These are the quotes from different forums which make a lot of sense.

    Repression is an obscure concept and a credible scientifically controlled experiment would be unethical and nearly impossible. Imagine taking several hundred babies, giving them identical upbringing, all the while subjecting selected groups of them to various kinds of horrific trauma in childhood, and then waiting years or even decades to see (a) if any of them remember anything of the trauma or (b) if the different kinds of trauma affect memory in different ways.

    And this one

    It involves pushing out of consciousness both unpleasant and unwanted memories and any wishes that conflict with internalized prohibitions. With respect to the latter, repression could be said to involve will acting on wishes. It is usually thought to be an unconscious process, initially as well as throughout.
    the issue – There is a logical problem with the specification that repression is solely an unconscious process, though, because this requires knowing and not knowing at the same time: Repression can ultimately require an infinite series of inner homunculi to do the repressing. The repressing part of the EGO must repress that it is repressing and so on. POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS (= making the theory fit) might allow that repression could initially be conscious.

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  118. Sina permalink
    May 15, 2013 9:34 am

    It is clear that WR has started his lucrative media$$$ rounds.
    Time is running out, only 22 days left to cash in.

    It tells me that he does not expect to win the case, not only because its weak, but also because no lawyer would allow you to jeopardize your case by doing a live interview before the claim is even heard in court and it does not help his credibility either.
    He already has little credibility with the majority of the public, if only for the wrong reasons, people who think he is double dipping.

    I expect two possibilities, either the interview does not happen or he will stay vague and not say anything interesting.
    The best would be if this interview goes on and he makes a complete fool of himself in front of the world. I hope they put him in a room face to face with TMez.

    I read that he sold his house and moved to Hawaii ,which is a like a retirement.
    How can he afford it ?

    This is social blackmail and the MJE executors should fight tooth and nail to set an example and draw the line right here.
    Robson is the first to accuse Michael publically and should be made the very last.
    I have full confidence in Michael and in justice and I refuse to get sucked into the sensationalism that Wade or the media need and raise – unfortunately with success- to reach their goal.

    Lets not get distracted and keep our eye on the ball . Look again at AEG , because no doubt in my mind that they are the instigators of this ‘show’.

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  119. May 15, 2013 8:56 am

    Here is a very good scientific article debunking the repressed memory theory. I think that each person calling the studio should quote at least one of these scientists to Judah Robson:

    “Repressed Memory” – Debunked

    Many individuals have come forward publicly to claim that a priest molested them years earlier (and often decades earlier) after asserting that they “repressed” the memory of the abuse having occurred.

    Unfortunately, the media has been woefully uncritical when reporting cases in which an individual invokes “repressed memory” when claiming abuse by a priest from decades earlier.

    Dr. Richard J. McNally is the Professor and Director of Clinical Training in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. As one of the world’s leading experts in the field of memory, he has 250 publications to his credit, including the heralded 2003 book, Remembering Trauma.

    In a 2005 letter to the California Supreme Court, which was handling a case in which “repressed memory” was debated, Dr. McNally asserted:

    “The notion that traumatic events can be repressed and later recovered is the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry. It has provided the theoretical basis for ‘recovered memory therapy’ — the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy era.”

    Many other prominent experts agree. “Repressed memory” is simply bogus.

    Dr. Grant Devilly, from the Psychological Health research unit at Griffith University, agrees with Dr. McNally.
    Devilly says that memories of terrifying experiences work in the opposite manner of repressed memory theory. People rather wish they could forget their traumatic experiences.
    • “It’s the opposite. They wish they couldn’t think about it,” says Devilly.

    Then there is Dr. James McGaugh from the University of California, Irvine. His expertise in the area of memory was once profiled on CBS’ 60 Minutes program. Regarding the issue of “repressed memory,” Dr. McGaugh said in a 2010 book,

    “I do not believe there’s such a thing as repressed memory. I haven’t seen a single instance in which a memory was completely repressed and popped up again.
    • “I go on science, not fads. And there’s absolutely no proof that it can happen. Zero. None. Niente. Nada. All my research says that strong emotional experiences leave emotionally strong memories. Being sexually molested would certainly qualify.”

    In addition:

    “Recovered-memory therapy will come to be recognized as the quackery of the 20th century.” – Dr. Richard Ofshe, a social psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley (Leon Jaroff and Jeanne McDowell, “Repressed-Memory Therapy: Lies of the Mind,” Time, November 29, 1993);

    “If penis envy made us look dumb, this will make us look totally gullible.” – Dr. Paul McHugh, chairman of the psychiatry department at Johns Hopkins University (Leon Jaroff and Jeanne McDowell, “Repressed-Memory Therapy: Lies of the Mind,” Time, November 29, 1993);

    “You can’t be raped for 10 years and not remember it. Yet, according to the repression aficionados, anything’s possible.” – Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, professor of psychology at the University of California Irvine (Sasha Abramsky, “Memory and Manipulation: The trials of Elizabeth Loftus, defender of the wrongly accused,” LA Weekly, August 19, 2004).

    …One final note: It is important to know that in the rare moments that “repressed memory” is challenged in the media, victim advocates will vehemently and vocally complain to writers and editors who dare to challenge the bogus theory. Such attackers will falsely claim that there is a legitimate “other side” to this issue. There isn’t. The public should be very aware of this.

    • To repeat the words of Dr. McNally, “repressed memory therapy” is indeed “the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy era.”

    [See also: “Minn. Supreme Court Rejects ‘Repressed Memory’ Junk Science Against Priest, Media Yawns” (July 2012)]
    http://www.themediareport.com/hot-topics/repressed-memory-debunked/

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  120. May 15, 2013 8:46 am

    “But, if he grills Wade and attacks his integrity, it will look as if he’s “attacking” a victim, and it will look bad. I don’t know, we’ll just have to wait and see how this turns out!” -sanemjfan

    David, and how can it turn out? This Matt Lauer is inviting a person to spread his lies on TV and you think that he will be grilling him? Why should he? He will enjoy every minute of it giving Robson a chance to tell his insane stories! DON’T EVEN EXPECT any justice from this Today show and give up EVERY ILLUSION!

    If you are going to call the show I would very much like to hear how much AEG paid to this Judah for his betrayal of Michael Jackson. Or what contract, projects, etc. they offered him and whether this Judah is satisfied with the terms of the deal.

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  121. sanemjfan permalink
    May 15, 2013 8:00 am

    Guys, I have some BAD NEWS! The Today Show has CONFIRMED that tomorrow, May 16th, they will conduct a LIVE TELEVISED INTERVIEW with Wade Robson! This is absolutely UNPRECEDENTED, because this will be the first time that ANYONE has publicly accused MJ of abuse! None of the other liars even did a print interview, nevermind a live, televised one!

    I truly hope that Matt Lauer has done his homework, and will use Wade’s 2005 testimony and the numerous tributes to MJ after his death to impugn the validity of Wade’s allegations. (I assume that Laure will do the interview, since he announced it.) But, if he grills Wade and attacks his integrity, it will look as if he’s “attacking” a victim, and it will look bad. I don’t know, we’ll just have to wait and see how this turns out!

    The “stuff” is really about to hit the fan, so everyone get ready for battle!!!

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  122. May 15, 2013 7:33 am

    welcome back Helena! It was getting a bit enervating and boring with this recent topic.
    ettelra your comments are fine. I always have the impression that you are a very sweet
    person.-Lets hope we can go forward with something more interesting and productive.

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  123. Linda permalink
    May 15, 2013 12:17 am

    @ettelra

    I just want y’all’s input on if I did a good job with responding calmly, and trying to educate people about the REAL Michael Jackson.

    Yes you did a good job. If we can just get people to find out the facts, they will see what really went on, and that’s what we have to do. You didn’t come off as a rabid fan that does more harm than good. I read many negative post’s about Michael that makes my blood boil, and I want to respond, but most of these people are going only by what they’ve read in the papers and that formed their opinion. Many of them are just trying to rile up the fans and get a fight going and they don’t care if they are right or wrong, so I don’t often respond to them because I don’t have the time or the energy, lol. It always makes me happy when I read an intelligent response like yours. Keep it up.

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  124. Lopsided man permalink
    May 14, 2013 6:17 pm

    TeamMichaelJackson.com is posting original fan reports of the testimony from inside the courtroom.

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  125. May 14, 2013 4:12 pm

    “Helena, I thank you again for your analysis, and for not allowing AEG, and their allies in the mass media, to distract us from what really matters – uncovering the truth behind Michael’s killing. I believe this site’s focus should remain with covering this important trial. SaneMJfan & the team at Vindicating 2.0 are doing a good job sorting the whole Robson Fiasco.” – lopsided man

    Yes, of course I will try to follow the AEG trial in the first place and will read the research of this Robson’s circus by vindication2 team with pleasure. I just need to catch up with the trial.

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  126. May 14, 2013 4:06 pm

    “I knew it. 2 more little liars have come forward to demand compensation for abuse.” – Rodrigo

    I didn’t know it but half expected it. My opinion is that these species will be crawling from everywhere around unless the Estate takes Wade Robson’s case to a logical end. In their place I would sue him for slander, defamation of character, whatever (of course if they have the right to). Even if the judge throws away the case I would still go after Robson. Such things cannot be forgiven.

    And if this is not done the gate will be open for anyone to crawl in.

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  127. May 14, 2013 3:54 pm

    “However, I have to say that this article was a complete waste of space and time – why did you devote so many words to this P.O.S.? Was it necessary to even respond to his claims with anything other than incredulous laughter?” – cookie

    And I am not responding to his claims. I am talking about AEG first and foremost and the beautiful link between the AEG trial and Wade Robson’s sudden recovery from malignant amnesia. And I also took the opportunity to speak about another liar – Blanca Francia – in whose story nothing adds up either when you really look.

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  128. May 14, 2013 3:44 pm

    “hey helena when will you come back ?” Goodie

    I’m back but need to make a post first.

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  129. cookie666 permalink
    May 14, 2013 2:11 pm

    Thank you for your very detailed article, as always. However, I have to say that this article was a complete waste of space and time – why did you devote so many words to this P.O.S.? Was it necessary to even respond to his claims with anything other than incredulous laughter?

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  130. goodie permalink
    May 14, 2013 11:17 am

    hey helena when will you come back ? i was thinking 1 thing that it is very hard to prove molestation and more difficult when it is admitted years after, is there any way that all these exaggeration indeed might be for strengthing the case?.

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  131. sanemjfan permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:03 pm

    Mesereau will be a guest on the King Jordan radio show on Wednesday, May 15th at 9pm CST. He will discuss the ongoing Wade Robson nonsense:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king/2013/05/15/tom-meserau-defends-michael-jackson

    Here is an interview he did last week with Positively Michael fanclub, just after Wade’s allegations became public: http://www.blubrry.com/positivelymichael/1753102/michael-jackson-podcast-by-positivelymichael-tom-mesereau-interview-about-wade-robson-claims/

    Here’s an interview that Mesereau did with King Jordan right before Wade’s allegations became public. It’s interesting to note that Mesereau confirmed that Bashir called him on the day MJ died, and left a voicemail on his answering machine “apologizing”, and saying that he “never meant to harm MJ”. Mesereau never returned Bashir’s call because he thought Bashir was insincere, and was just trying to score an interview. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king/2013/05/07/michael-jackson-defense-attorney-tom-meserau

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  132. May 13, 2013 10:21 am

    Hi all,

    I was surfing the web (well, I still am lol), and I came across a notification that someone had responded to my comment about the Jacksons v AEG trial, and I just wanted y’all to take a look at the responses I received and how I responded to the negative ones. I just want y’all’s input on if I did a good job with responding calmly, and trying to educate people about the REAL Michael Jackson. Here’s a link: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/showbiz/michael-jackson-sex-claim/index.html#comment-895916944

    Or rather, link(s): http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/showbiz/michael-jackson-sex-claim/index.html#comment-895904082

    http://americablog.com/2013/05/the-best-michael-jackson-moonwalk-video-you-will-see.html#comment-895898003

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/showbiz/michael-jackson-sex-claim/index.html#comment-888923269

    Thanks,

    -Taylor

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  133. goodie permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:37 am

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/…false-memories
    well this what psychologists think bout false memories
    and this is about wade case and his psyciatrist
    http://www.davidarredondo.com/
    http://www.davidarredondophotography.com/
    http://menlofineart.com/
    https://twitter.com/davidarredondo

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  134. Lopsided man permalink
    May 12, 2013 6:51 pm

    Helena, to add to your points about the “Rubba” name- on the MJ’s ‘Private Home Movies’ special you can hear Michael call his videographer that name in the 1983 segment, when he’s rehearsing his lines for Thriller (before calling said videographer a “schmuck” when he has trouble following Michael’s instructions! lol).

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  135. goodie permalink
    May 12, 2013 6:03 pm

    can someone please tell me about the other 2 alleged victims? are they all about money or they indeed do have some credibility? they sure are raising a lot of questions

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  136. goodie permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:58 pm

    coming from a defense background i know that body language has more credibility than repressed memory any way

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  137. Sina permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:24 pm

    What is interesting about repressed- recovered memory syndrome, its always about alleged sexual abuse never about other trauma, its always when the accuser wants money and its always in cases where there is no other corroborating evidence.
    RM to me is like hand reading or reading someone’s facial expression or gestures to determine whether they are truthful or not.
    That is why there are two other victims in the making waiting to enter the scene.
    Why would a credible shrink ‘help’ a patient to relive(= fantasize) a traumatic experience when the person who should be confronted with it to help the ‘victim’ heal is not here anymore. How does it help WR s peace of mind to make a creditors claim against a business entity when the alleged abuse was personal and this person is not here to tell m he did him wrong. ( or the other way round to tell Wade to go to hell, I would love to hear Michael tell him that ).
    How do you repress being threatened which will only remind you that something horrible is going on. Or did he also repress the threats??
    .
    I don’t know if Wade even starts to realizes the consequences of his deed. While Michael will forever be admired and loved , he is doomed.

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  138. Lopsided man permalink
    May 12, 2013 3:41 pm

    “And I will state once more:While living in LasVegas,I think, Michael had gathered all matresses into one room so he and his children could sleep there together and play.
    I have said long ago that being alone at night made his insomnia worse.A bit of separation
    anxiety. He was used to sleep with all the brothers when a child himself.” – kaarin22

    I believe Katherine Jackson mentioned Michael dealing with insomnia since he was young in her now out-of-print 1989 book , “The Jacksons My Family (it’s available n Jetzi’s site.)

    Regarding the link between loneliness and insomnia, there have been stories from bodyguards, and even Frank Dileo, of Michael asking them to stay with him at night in his bedroom, because he couldn’t go to sleep, and he needed someone to talk to.

    There are countless other accounts, as far back as the 80’s of Michael making late night phone calls to friends for the same reason.

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  139. May 12, 2013 3:18 pm

    And I will state once more:While living in LasVegas,I think, Michael had gathered all matresses into one room so he and his children could sleep there together and play.
    I have said long ago that being alone at night made his insomnia worse.A bit of separation
    anxiety. He was used to sleep with all the brothers when a child himself.

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  140. May 12, 2013 2:55 pm

    RW having ben questioned by so many, and most likely at length, by lawenforcement,the prosection and the media, it is most likely that all these talks implanted memories.ie got so to speak a backward education about sexabuse.The last day in court was dramatic as the witness Alif Sankey told how she broke into tears when Michael said he heard God speaking to him,Kenny Ortega also heard Michael say it and cried. This was when he sent the -e-mail to Randy Phillips. The result was the riot act. The most damaging thing they could do ,and
    then Michael died within days.When he would have needed care he was psychologically assaulted instead.It gives me shivers.Lets hope we can forget all supressed memories and
    pay attention to what happens in court.

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  141. Lopsided man permalink
    May 12, 2013 2:13 pm

    “Honestly if there were any “repressed memories” they would have came back to him in 2005 I mean all that talk of molestation surely would have brought something back now that’s if something did happen which I believe did NOT!” – Truth Prevail

    Exactly. And even if one believed in the theory of repressed memory, it certainly wouldn’t apply to Wade Robson, who was confronted with the issue by law enforcement, prosecutors, the news media, etc., repeatedly and with detail, over a 20 year period. If anything had happened, his memory would have been triggered much sooner, between the 1993 and 2005 cases.

    BTW, it’s good to see Frank Cascio and Brett Barnes on Twitter, defending Michael against Wade’s accusations.

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  142. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 12, 2013 11:46 am

    I don’t think his beef with Michael Jackson is personally with Michael Jackson, I think he his angry and jealous about not working on Michael Jackson ONE and The Immortal World Tour and wants to get back at the estate for not choosing him and in the process Wade is willing to smear Michael Jackson’s good name to do it and stealing Money from MJ’s estate.

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  143. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 12, 2013 11:38 am

    @NewRodrigo

    I doubt it will get that far, once the judge here’s what Wade has to say he is most likely going to tell him to piss off and stop wasting everybody’s time because Wade is full of contradictions how does he believe he has a case when there is proof that he swore twice under oath that Michael Jackson did nothing to him other than give him a fucking career.

    Honestly if there were any “repressed memories” they would have came back to him in 2005 I mean all that talk of molestation surely would have brought something back now that’s if something did happen which I believe did NOT!

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  144. newrodrigo permalink
    May 12, 2013 10:42 am

    It was inevitable.

    Once the ball started rolling again, this was bound to happen.

    Wade puts in a compensation claim…Other bloodsuckers come crawling.

    But since we know Wade’s claims are ridiculous and full of contradictions. ..I’m actually hoping the 3 of them go up in court. ..then we’ll see their stories get torn to pieces.

    Hopefully investigations into these claims will lead back to AEG, because we know this was their doing with Wade.

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  145. May 12, 2013 10:30 am

    Newrodrigo, the timing tells all. But what a nuisance.Aren´t they all too late?Must be grownups now.Helena is away.Wonder if she is aware.She has a good touch and can usually calm our nerves.

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  146. newrodrigo permalink
    May 12, 2013 8:33 am

    I knew it.

    2 more little liars have come forward to demand compensation for abuse.

    I hope they have their day in court…and then somebody like Tom comes along and blows them away.

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  147. jolie permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:51 pm

    Michael Jackson was a very powerful man. Just watch his tour performances, especially the Dangerous (Bucharest) and History (Munich) tours (YouTube). He had the audiences in the palm of his hand, relaying an important message to Heal The World, among other important messages. While being very powerful, Michael was also very “Dangerous” to the powers that be. Can you appreciate the implications of Michael Jackson being successful in promoting his message of Healing the World? That is the reason for the 1993 molestation allegations and all other lies about Michael that were put forth by the Media. All this in order to render Michael and his messages as INEFFECTIVE.

    Fast forward to present. This important Trial is going on. Look and behold: Michael is STILL very Dangerous, even in death, because his messages still live on in his many works. So the assignment is still the same: Trash Michael, in order to trash his legacy, in order that Michael’s message will be INEFFECTIVE.

    Additional trashing: The Media uses the worst photos of Michael. The Media rarely use beautiful Michael photos. The Media uses misleading headlines, all meant to put Michael in the worst possible light, so as to keep Michael’s image as a sideshow freak, instead of a human being. TMZ is often spearheading the way in this effort.

    What has prevented Michael from being permanently buried in this continual Avalanche of lies? The Truth, put forth primarily by his true (if the shoe fits, wear it!) fans. “Let us not be weary in well-doing, for we will reap, if we don’t faint.” Let’s keep going and not faint.

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  148. May 11, 2013 6:13 pm

    Masterclass series done in 2012, nervous brakdown in march2012 (?). Immaculate recovery
    Katheine and the kids should ask for forensic exam of RW:s mind.The timing of announcement suspect. The same day Alif Sakey told K.O. that Michael was hearing Gods voice . Dramatic evidence in the court that day. They decided on “tough love” for Michael, a sure way to make him feel worse.He was not paranoid for no reason,remmember: because I am paranoid does not mean I am wrong.RW needs to be examined by forensic psychiatrists and well qualified psychologist. I don´t think his claims will hold. They can even sue him, but why to trouble with that just now.
    Michal foresaw his death somehow
    I am glad that debbie R. is bonding with Paris.
    . Debbie took MIchaels abscence from her life hard. I don´t think it was just money,they had a friendship from the treir 20.ies,she looked good in the youthful photos.It is wrong to shove her aside.

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  149. Lopsided man permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:02 pm

    Helena, I thank you again for your analysis, and for not allowing AEG, and their allies in the mass media, to distract us from what really matters – uncovering the truth behind Michael’s killing.

    I believe this site’s focus should remain with covering this important trial. SaneMJfan & the team at Vindicating 2.0 are doing a good job sorting the whole Robson Fiasco.
    🙂

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  150. goodie permalink
    May 11, 2013 3:01 pm

    as much as these claims are shady to me ;his 2005 testimony seems fairly genuine;like “it would have waken me up”yes, it would have because today i pinched my 8 yrs old sister on the arm quite lightly and patted her on the back while she was asleep just to see if she reacts and after almost 3 times she got irritated and started shouting on me like hell considering that our private parts are more sensetive than any other part the “it would’ve awaken me” theory makes sense to me;moreover he said that he would not have trusted anyone else but michael having such books now considering the repressed memory theory i am sure it does not effect our judgement now you know this man for almost 20 yrs ,have had sleepovers with him, seen him with other kids how is it possible that you cant say if he is trust worthy or not? now, if he had given the above testimony under influence or not? as he has claimed that he had repressed memories of the molestation and the blackmails then there is no point of influence’if he claims that he gave this testimony under pressure then there is no point of repressed memory,he would serve for prejury.its just all very self contradictory. Moreover even if my molester frightens me of kidnapping or even murdering my whole family then also i would keep mum or report the police but wont be able to go on singing his praises as if he is an angel.i wont be able to kill my dignity to do so…. and his money is the last thing i would want.

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  151. May 11, 2013 2:07 pm

    “This masterclass series was made in 2012, the official trailer was published on June 14, 2012” – Susanne

    Absolutele no sign of any breakdown. he is his usual confident self. The decision to betray Michael is taken, all earlier doubts are gone. The career is back on the road to “success”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWazdCJxTFI

    Guys, I will have to be away a couple of days and will have no access to the Internet there. But I’m taking all the information I could find for week 2 of the trial with me and hope to be back with a summary.

    Hugs to you all, and may God help us.

    P.S. For some reason links to Youtube have stopped posting. Please attach them to the very end of your text (like I did above) and then you can at least see the link and follow it to Youtube. Will try to fix it when I am back.

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  152. May 11, 2013 1:47 pm

    RW would be a nobody were it not for Michael.Now he is down on his luck, divorce,jobs etc.
    so now he suddenly gets this bright idea, a Judas kisser he is
    The APA=American Psychiatric Association voices caution re supressed memory syndrome and it should not be believed without corroborating evidence. RW:s considerable savings?, did he save so much while suffering so much, or are the savings from somewhere else?
    I have to tell about something really nice I read recently on this blog,in an article:This must have been when they lived in LasVegas. Michael had taken all matresses into one room.There he and the children could all sleep together and play around. I hope all 3 remember this time. Michael was indeed a good and fun father. Still his children are all well behaved,considerate and courteous.I am so sorry he died.But your memories and ours live on.

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  153. goodie permalink
    May 11, 2013 1:04 pm

    and first thing first if i realize that my trusted one did something like that i would need a lot of counseling considering his nervous breakdown was in early 2012 ‘my general guess is it must have taken atleast 8 months to get the repressed memories out then follow up must have taken atleast 7 months which at the the end leaves us now in the present time then when did he discuss all this with his lawyers and police etc? and i dont know in which kind of rehab is it allowed to adress the public mass and be questioned bout the person you are getting rehabilated for for considering the masterclass interview. if someone could just get that cleared for me; then i would be very grateful.

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  154. goodie permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:47 pm

    one more thing is that he claims mike emotionally blackmailed him,now if he had repressed all the memories of the molestation and this blackmail then how did he oblige to his requests unless nothing has happend of course but if he remembered the blackmail then the whole repressed thing doesn’t make any sense (imagine remembering the black mail but not the thing you are subjected to it for)
    And moreover if mike was so influening then he wont have gone through the hell he went through;it is just mind boggeling if there is any psychatrist here that can clear this up then maybe some credibility can be given to him

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  155. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:07 pm

    Also screen cap any relevant tweets that will help prove Wade is a disgusting liar.

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  156. Truth Prevail permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:03 pm

    I would advise all MJ fan’s to download the videos of Wade talking positive about Michael and saving articles because he is more likely going to try to remove these videos from YouTube.

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  157. May 11, 2013 12:01 pm

    WR is crap. He should give up dancing alltogether,it is obliously too sexually stimulatimg for his sensitive mind.Who on earth was his therapist and what are the qualifications of her/him.
    Let him show the receits for payments to the therapist, if such a one exists.And how long does he claim to have seen this therapist?
    It is AEG looking for support from the press.They will not easily give up on dirt re Michael.

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  158. May 11, 2013 10:59 am

    So now the fashion is repressed memories. We are back to Dr.Katz,.Mcmanus preeschoolstuff again. I know the ecomomy in US has been less than good for many. and for some psychotherapists.Really I don´t know what the official requirement are for a psychotherapist. The ones I knew were employed by highly regarded institutes or university-
    affiliated programs and hospitals..But I also recall having heard that you can call yourself a psycotherepist without much, and esp. without rigorous academic background.It would not surprise me if supressed memory-syndrome has been taken by sc fake-therapist to ensure patients and income.And just imagine-the patient wins a lot of money and will continue therapy” with you who discovered that I had this very syndrome”.—I know today we are more or less influenced by advertising and much money is going into researching the most effective methods.–I have memories since age 2 y., nothing to do with sexabuse. At 13,in Sweden, while visiting a female realative at her summerhouse her male friend was after me. I was 13yo,but knew very well how to keep away from this sick man.He suggested buying me clothes, going to bathe at their private beach nude,”as that is so healthy”.I was not taken in by any of this shit(excuse me).Neither did I tell this auntie about it as I saw how infatuated she was with that man.I have not suffered any effects from his attempts,neither supressed the memory. It is just there when this kind of matter is being discussed.At 13 I knew very well how to take care of myself.So I am sure this RW stuff is #####.

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  159. May 11, 2013 10:48 am

    “My understanding of it is that winning it is probably absolutely not the purpose of this horrendous campaign. Its main idea from the start of it was most probably to hit and run leaving a long and dirty trail of innuendoes behind it.

    The goal is to trash Jackson’s name, guarantee to the public an ugly spectacle for all the time while AEG is on trial, distract people’s attention from the truth being told there, set the public and the jury against Jackson and – of course – force everyone into thinking that if he was indeed a “child molester” no matter how terribly AEG treated him it only served him right and the corporation actually did us a big favor by ridding the world of this man. The task will be accomplished.”

    Thanks Helena. Actually, after I read the two paragraphs above I really didn’t need to read any further, though I’m glad for the information and detailed explanation. This new thing Wade Robson is reporting and remembering is NOT about money.

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  160. May 11, 2013 9:30 am

    Thank you for all this information! It is true what you said about people wanting to distract from the trial and as far as I can tell, they have succeeded. Threats about discussing the trial used to be very busy, but now all that people talk about is this allegation.

    I do not believe that memory can be repressed for 20 years, especially when being abused over 7 years and questioned about it so often during the trial and in interviews etc. I also find it curious that Michael/Tmez called him to testify. Why call someone that you indeed molested? Even though you might have threatened him to stay quiet or that person does not remember anymore. WHo would take the chance that this person cracks during cross-examination? And the other thing is money, if you want people to believe you in any way, why make this about money? Money you would take away from his children and charities btw, how would that be justice. Why not help others that were abused? Share your story without getting any money for it… Write a book and give all the proceedings to people that were abused… I don’t know, but I think there are different ways of dealing with this than going after a dead man’s money.

    It is just so sad for people that are victims of child abuse… they look at how he is being attacked and his family is being attacked and might not speak out because they are afraid nobody will believe them either…

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  161. May 11, 2013 8:52 am

    There is more information about this video. It apparently was recorded on March 14, 2012, the same month WR is said to have had his breakdown:
    http://youredoingwrong.blogspot.de/2013/05/weve-had-enough.html

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  162. May 11, 2013 8:26 am

    This masterclass series was made in 2012, the official trailer was published on June 14, 2012. It says: “In 2012, DS2DIO brings the Masters to YOU.”
    The sequence with Wade Robson was published in July 2012. So it must have been recorded after WR’s alleged breakdown. See yourself, if you can see any signs of a “nervous breakdown”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWazdCJxTFI

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  163. May 11, 2013 7:06 am

    “if he was molested by Mike and forgot everything and continued to have sleepovers then hypothetically… how much can one repress ? this is why this whole thing seems extremely fabricated.” – goodie

    Oh, please don’t even go into that. What Wade Robson is saying is SO MUCH CRAP that it is impossible even to seriously discuss it. If some psychologists start defending this theory in full seriousness they will be the first to be laughed at and will lose all credibility among their colleagues the world over.

    Robson’s nonsense has nothing to do with real cases of repressed memories. Unfortunately due to all this noise over this junk case really abused children with really supressed traumas will not get help from the therapists. These cases will be simply get lost among the avalanche of similar fake stories like Robson’s which currently seem to be forming into a trend.

    It is much easier to explain all people’s troubles by some fictional “abuse” in their childhood than look into the choices they themselves make in life.

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  164. May 11, 2013 6:53 am

    “I think that WR made a deliberate CHOICE.” – Sina

    Of course he made a deliberate choice. Sorry that I didn’t make myself clear enough but the circumstances we find ourselves in absolutely do NOT absolve us of the guilt for the decisions we take and the choices we make. All our life is about making choices and it is depending on each choice we make now that we are determining our future fate. Though I myself studied astrology (yes, I did) the greatest thing these people taught me is that the future is OPEN to us and is determined by ourselves at every single moment of our lives.

    “WR made a choice. But he forgot that he did this about the greatest artist ever and it will not lightly be forgotten. I hope he will be boycotted by other dancers who see Michael as their mentor and inspiration and wil not let him be smeared.”

    I hope that now he will reap what he has sown and get the most shame and contempt that is only possible on this planet. No handshaking, no greeting, not associating with this person any more. However the most he should worry about now is his own soul. In the past they called it “selling one’s soul to the d-vil” and therefore no matter how much money he gets I absolutely don’t envy his future fate.

    “I read a tweet of him from may 6 ,that he is excited going on tour again with Britney Spears and that 2013 will be a great year for him. I don’t know if its real because everything can be faked these days, but if it is, it says enough. If he can do AEG this little favor knowing the case will lead nowhere and he will not have to testify, in exchange for a living, who cares about the dead.”

    Indeed? Earlier I’ve read that he was replaced by someone else. So things have changed so quickly? Please keep us informed about further “improvements” in Robson’s career, especially when they come so soon after he rendered his dirty service to the Beast.

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  165. goodie permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:20 am

    helena, there is another thing i noticed that if he was molested by Mike and forgot everything and continued to have sleepovers then hypothetically, a ‘monster’ like mike would have taken advantage of this vulnerbility for his greed and continued harrasing him which i am sure if not triggered the repressed memories would have created new accurate memories i mean how much can one repress ? this is why this whole thing seems extremely fabricated.

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  166. Sina permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:02 am

    “In application to Wade Robson all I can say is that as a result of 20 years of trashing Michael and having to constantly discuss such dreadful things like “touching you here and there”, “seeing him in this or that situation”, etc. now Michael’s image is heavily smeared to him and now he is unable to remember him the way he really was.”

    Helena there could be truth in what you say, but I think that WR made a deliberate CHOICE.

    Sure he depends on work from promoters like AEG and just like they did to Michael they can bully and enslave you, but not to the point that you murder someone’s character who is not here anymore, who you once stood up for. That is lower than what Chandler did.

    I read a tweet of him from may 6 ,that he is excited going on tour again with Britney Spears and that 2013 will be a great year for him.
    I don’t know if its real because everything can be faked these days, but if it is, it says enough. If he can do AEG this little favor knowing the case will lead nowhere and he will not have to testify, in exchange for a living, who cares about the dead.

    Little favor, explosive effect. And of course AEG will deny everything and not call him as a witness because he and they would be terribly exposed.

    There are others who have had the same privilege that Michael gave him. Yes he should feel privileged. They honor his memory till this day and I have never ever heard them speak bad about him.

    Emmanuel Lewis is the most ridiculed of all because Michael carried him like a baby to the grammies which he attended with Brooke Shield. But if you hear him speak, its with love, admiration and respect, never anything that is remotely negative.

    WR made a choice. But he forgot that he did this about the greatest artist ever and it will not lightly be forgotten.

    I hope he will be boycotted by other dancers who see Michael as their mentor and inspiration and wil not let him be smeared.

    They say what does not kill you makes you stronger. That is what I hope for Katherine Jackson. To go on with even more perseverance.

    Quote Michaels advice to Princes Diane :, ‘be determined , be defiant and rise above it.
    Rise above it and be determined!.”

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  167. May 11, 2013 4:14 am

    “I’m so frustrated that I can’t hear and see what’s going on in the courtroom. All I’m getting is bits and pieces from here, and I’m still only on day four. Wade’s crap comes at a very opportunistic time for AEG. It is so obvious what’s going on. Where do I go to find out what’s going on every day since day 4?”

    Linda, I will try to catch up too and will probably make a summary of the past week. Unfortunately I am terribly pressed for time these days and will have to leave for a couple of days too, so I really don’t know. But will still try.

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  168. May 11, 2013 4:01 am

    “The timing is perfect for AEG”

    Oh, the timing is telling it all. If already two years ago, in June 2011 Robson was in a certain “dissatisfied” condition as the same TMZ originall said why did he have to wait full two years after that and break it exactly when the AEG trial started?

    Because this was a secret bomb which was being prepared for a very long time to be dropped just at the right moment.

    Originally TMZ wrote that according to sources in the family the “nervous breakdown” was in 2011, but after their readers pointed at the discrepancy in the dates and the lawyer saying that it was in 2012 (which is why they raise the issue only now) TMZ CORRECTED the original date and is now also saying that it was in 2012 (according to the same family sources).

    “it seems I heard his laywer say something about MJ said they go to jail so dont tell anyone. That is from the Chandler case too.”

    Once they step on this road they will go further and will use all the information from all those cases now. In fact they may well use the results of the research done even in this blog. There were (and are) so many AEG agents here that they can create ANY type of a story looking credible to the gullible public. What we see now is only the tip of an iceberg. These people are really serious in what they are doing. But I hope God will stand in their way. Keep my fingers crossed.

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  169. May 11, 2013 3:38 am

    “Harvey was saying the Chandler kid had an accurate discription of MJ and he settled quickly after that, and he knows because he covered it ..baloney” – nannorris

    Just remind him that two prosecutors looked into those descriptions and that the LA DA even declared Michael as “innocent as everyone else sitting in this room now” in his final word.

    It’s high time to say to Harvey directly, “Stop brainwashing us. You use some old mole-eaten lies and keep manipulating facts and you know what you are doing. And this makes us wonder why you are doing it at all”.

    Nan, I’ve seen your replies to some of the TMZ articles. They are great and are a balance to their lies. Please don’t stop.

    “At any rate, I wonder if Wade had a falling out the estate lawyers before this , as he mentions he was to be involved in the circ project and I dont think he ever was.”

    It could very well be a personal vendetta against the Estate. Robson has long forgotten about Michael and does not care about him or his children. All he cares now is himself only. In harsh circumstances people often turn into collaborators and his current activities may be driven by a complex of various motives.

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  170. May 11, 2013 3:19 am

    “The hosts in that video seemed to be hell bent in proving that Michael was indeed a molester!! They seemed to be trying hard to convince the audience, many of whom were calling through and expressing their thoughts that Wade is a fraudster, that Michael was indeed in the wrong!” – ssuparnagoswami

    TMZ has a huge agenda. They started it and they are hell bent on having their way. Their method is repeating their mantras again and again until they brainwash people into thinking dirt about MJ. In these circumstances the only remedy I myself see against is repeating the truth to them and everyone else everywhere you go because all of it is about publicity and the amount of it.

    If I could I would call TMZ and ridicule them for falling for every lie they hear. Laugh at them for being a place to collect junk. Tell them that by believing this craziness they are shaming the nation in the eyes of the outside world because no normal person will ever believe this crap. Leave replies to the TMZ stories thus providing a counter balance to their dirt.

    It would be great if someone who knows Robson could share their knowledge of the latest events in his life. Probably speak to his wife.

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  171. nannorris permalink
    May 11, 2013 2:50 am

    I saw the TMZ live show also and they are really h@ll bent on getting people to believe this stuff,
    Harvey was saying the Chandler kid had an accurate discription of MJ and he settled quickly after that, and he knows because he covered it ..baloney
    At any rate, I wonder if Wade had a falling out the estate lawyers before this , as he mentions he was to be involved in the circ project and I dont think he ever was.
    The day this suit was filed, also, I believe the estate had MJ new show or something coming out in Vegas, and this Wade crap, kind of trumped all the media attn and they barely mentioned the Vegas thing.

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  172. May 11, 2013 2:40 am

    Implanting false memories is the process which is very close to movies or writers creating powerful images of fictional characters in their works. These images or whole new worlds created by them (Star wars, Twilight movies, Harry Potter series, etc.) are indeed so powerful that they begin living a life of their own.

    Look at Scarlet O’Hara, the main character in “Gone with the wind” – to those who have read the book or seen the movie she is like a real person. These characters begin living among us and we regard their half-real images as part of our material world. (How would Scarlet behave if she were in my place?)

    And when someone lives side by side with you and they keep hammering into your ears that “he is doing this and that” your mind begins imagining all these scenes. When you constantly have to discuss some totally fictional but awful details about this person each time you do it you visualize these scenes, and each time you vizualize your mind smears this person further. This is how all this awful damage is being done to another person’s image.

    Test yourself (sorry for using this harsh example but otherwise you will not understand):

    If you say in your mind “It is impossible to imagine Jesus masturbating himself or being engaged in it with another male” the very moment you think it your mind does imagine and visualize this scene. And when you visualize it the mental picture created in your mind already smears the image which should never be smeared (I am very sorry for saying it).

    Now imagine this being said to you a hundred, a thousand times. At a certain point your mind will be so tired and so crammed with these images that they do stick to the person about whom all this was repeatedly said. On the one hand you know he never did it, but on the other hand the natural barrier of the truth has been demolished and the gate to further false imaginining has been opened.

    This is why it is so important to keep your thoughts clean. It all begins with the thought and the image created in the mind which later materializes into something real.

    The ancient told us to think clean thoughts as this is the best way to prevent the world from being contaminated with lies and evil. Now some studies are beginning to prove that thoughts are indeed material and can form the reality we live in.

    This trashing Michael in our minds first was the process upon which all media trashing of Michael was based upon and which was actually their goal. The gist of it is – even if all of it was untrue, the impression is still there, and they know it. In fact these people are taught to do it as this is a big part of “informational techniques”, promoting the news, etc.

    This phenomenon is widely used in advertising. If you were shown the image long enough in the situation of choice you select the one which is more familiar to you though you cannot even explain why.

    In application to Wade Robson all I can say is that as a result of 20 years of trashing Michael and having to constantly discuss such dreadful things like “touching you here and there”, “seeing him in this or that situation”, etc. now Michael’s image is heavily smeared to him and now he is unable to remember him the way he really was.

    It is not a “repressed memory” syndrome, but is a natural result of always having to think only the worst about this innocent person.

    Keep your thoughts clean and you will heal the world.

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  173. May 11, 2013 2:25 am

    Hi Helena,   Thanks again for all your research and for presenting the parts of the previous accusation trial so well. Your theory about the bathroom door seems to be very accurate- Michael could not have kept the door wide open enough for the maid to have had a peek inside. I just watched the video on TMZ Live- the video on as to what triggered Wade Robson’s ‘restoration’ of memory. The hosts in that video seemed to be hell  bent in proving that Michael was indeed a molester!! They seemed to be trying hard to convince the audience, many of whom were calling through and expressing their thoughts that Wade is a fraudster, that Michael was indeed in the wrong! They even commented  something like that even when there is so much of smoke, people are not wanting to see the fire! This is utterly disgusting. It seems that they seem to be having a personal vendetta against Michael. I am sure you may have alreafy watched it, but still posting the link.  http://www.tmz.com/videos/#!id=0_q3hhxy2d. Can something be done against these people? They have destroyed Michael over the years and continue to spill dirt.  

    Thanks and Regards Suparna From: Vindicating Michael >To: ssuparnagoswami@yahoo.com >Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013 11:24 AM >Subject: [New post] What does the AEG trial have to do with Wade Robson and Blanca Francia? > >Vindicatemj (Helena) posted: “On May 8 a phenomenal thing happened at the AEG trial. Alif Sankey, the co-producer of the This is it show was giving her testimony and one of her statements came as an answer to the shock of Wade Robson’s accusations which were raging all over the tabloi” >

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  174. nannorris permalink
    May 11, 2013 2:07 am

    It is pretty obvious that AEG has something to do with this..Wades lawyer even came out and made a point of saying Wade hasnt spoken to AEG.
    Well perhaps a representative for him did, and I find it suspicious that his lawyer would issue a statement clearing AEG of having anything to do with this.,
    If he is claiming false memories , he could have done it before or after this trial, because there supposedly isnt a time limit on repressed memories.The timing is perfect for AEG, they said dark things would come out and “POOF” out comes Wade..
    Then they say they wont be calling him for this case .They must think people are stupid.
    I agree with you Helena, I think he is bitter , how much money MJ estate and kids are getting , and things look bleak for him.
    Jordie is on easy street because of a few sordid lies .
    He got a load of cr@p and jokes for years over this stuff, he probably feels he is entitled for some compensation.

    Wade is taking a page from Jordie Chandler..
    First off, I dont believe it at all, ..
    His excuse now is repressed memories , and it seems I heard his laywer say something about MJ said they go to jail so dont tell anyone..That is from the Chandler case too.
    So is he saying when he was under oath when he was 11, he was purposely lying , if mj said dont tell, or is he saying he was repressing stuff then too..
    It just doesnt add up.
    Also, if he had a mental block, and he been abused ..Mj didnt have a mental block..He wouldnt have allowed Mesereau to bring in someone he had abused and hope the person doesnt get their memory jarred.
    He supposedly sat on this for 22 years and a couple of weeks of therapy brings this out ..pathetic

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  175. May 11, 2013 2:00 am

    “do some more research on pedophilic psychology since we dont know how a pedophile will look at those pictures” – goodie

    A ped-le will apparently look at those pictures with sexual interest. But these beasts will look even at a fully clothed child with sexual interest too. So the books themselves are not the point. There were only two books with photos of naked or half-naked boys (some on the beach, sitting on the trees, etc.) among the 10,000 strong collection of Michael’s books on various subjects.

    Both books found their way into his collection under strange circumstances – one was a gift from a fan with an inscription of love and kisses from “Ronda” and the second had in inscription from Michael saying he wanted this kind of childhood for his children and carried his signature on the book cover under that inscription (as if he was giving it away to someone else). You don’t leave your signature on the books in your library, do you? So most probably it was given to him for an inscription but not taken away for some reason.

    In my opinion both books were implanted in his house on purpose. They were found locked in a place to which only his maid Adrian McManus had the key.

    “will you be kind enough to do some more research on how repressed memories are triggered(if they are credible anyway)”

    Here is information about the way “repressed memories” are actually implanted into people’s minds. It comes from a legal team which says that this “method” is a latest fad among therapists which is putting the blame for things never done on countless of innocent people:

    Question: Is there research supporting that an entire memory of molestation can be implanted?
    Repressed memories are the latest fad among therapists?

    Their unorthodox methodology is used to revive memories of childhood incest in order to explain away adult problems. Thousands of women who have made allegations of sexual abuse against their parents as a result of recovered memory therapy may have been victims of a dangerous fad. Their memories may have been created through suggestion and invasive therapy techniques. Especially if there is no corroborating evidence of abuse. The results are often devastating to the patient’s family who may not only lose contact with their child, but can be civilly sued and criminally charged for acts that they did not commit.

    Starting in the late 1980′s the mental health profession embraced a new miracle cure called “repressed memory therapy”. These less than well trained therapists claim that the majority of American women have been molested as children and that most of them have repressed the memories of these acts.

    They believe that it is the molestation and it’s repression that is a key to the emotional and physical ills of these patients. They recommend that when the therapist enables a patient to recover these memories of abuse the patient can then overcome her problems. Advocates of these ideas have written books and articles and speak at self help conferences and actively encourage these questionable and unprofessional techniques for the recovery of childhood memories of sexual abuse.

    As a result of this repressed memory therapy thousands of women, women who previously had no memories or suspicions of abuse before, came to believe that they were victims of molestation. The abusers are the patient’s own fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles or other relatives and friends. Almost 20% of these women have also recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse and all of its horrors, baby sacrifices, murder, multi-generational abuse and mutilation.

    Some have even reported memories of abuse in past lives and during alien space abductions. This is true!

    Writers and therapists who advocate repressed memory therapy cloak themselves in scientific rhetoric and misuse legitimate psychological concerns in order to give their beliefs credibility. Repression, disassociation, post traumatic stress disorder, multiple personality disorder and a pseudo-scientific phenomena called body memories, are all part of the grab bag of terms that they use to convince patients that they show symptoms of abuse even if they have no memory of such acts.

    Proponents of repressed memory therapy claim that memory acts like a video camera. It records a persons experience even those in the womb so indelibly that later experience or interpretation cannot change these images. They consider these internal video memories factual and pristine. This is the basis for the movement and any technique used in therapy to gain access to these pictures is seen as justifiable. Advocates ignore the possibility that their techniques not only distort memories, but actually create pseudo-memories as well.

    Typically, repressed memory therapy encompasses several stages. In the first stage the therapist employ a list of symptoms that are used as proof that there are repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. These symptoms number in the hundreds and include headaches, vaginal infections, sleep disturbance, stomach aches, dizziness, eating disorders, fear of eating foods, such as banana or tapioca pudding. Problems in maintaining stable relationships, a pennant for wearing baggy clothes, obesity, depression or low self esteem.

    It is a rare individual who hasn’t displayed or experienced of these symptoms during his or her life. Yet proponents of repressed memory movement acknowledge only one cause, repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse.

    The next phase of therapy is designed to convince the patient that she was abused whether or not she can remember it. She is told that only by believing in the sexual abuse and recovering the memories of abuse can she heal. Most patients who enter therapy are emotionally vulnerable and so the therapist, in a position of authority and trust, can easily accomplish indoctrination.

    Should the client be reluctant to believe in the abuse the therapist explains that she is in denial and can use pop-psychology books like the Courage to Heal, a guide for women survivors of childhood sexual abuse, to support their theories of repressed memories. Authors of this book Ellen Bass and Laura Davis write “if you think you were abused and your life shows the symptoms, then you were and if you don’t remember your abuse, you’re not alone, many don’t have memories, this doesn’t mean they weren’t abused”.

    In another such book, Secret Survivors, uncovering incest and its after effects in women, E. Sue Bloom supports Bass and Davis when she states that “incest is easily the greatest single underlying reason why women seek therapy or other treatment.” She goes on to say “many if not most incest survivors do not know that the abuse has even occurred.”

    It is important to keep in mind that there is no scientifically proven list of typical symptoms of sexual abuse. Symptoms displayed by actual abuse victims are the kinds of symptoms that also result from other emotional or physical trauma, such as a divorce, moving, illness in the family, accidents, loss of family members, new marriages, even changes of employment. But it seems that the repressed memory folks don’t understand this.

    Once the patient is convinced that her problems can be cured by remembering the childhood sexual abuse, the third phase begins. The patient is encouraged to uncover molestation experience by imagination or hypnotic trance. Some repressed memory therapists even use Sodium Penethal as a truth serum in an effort to verify memories recovered during hypnosis.

    Other highly questionable methods incorporated into this therapy are guided imagery, age regression, inter child work, relaxation therapy, channeling, trance writing, re-birthing and even crystal reading. Therapists often place patients in incest survivor support groups where new victims are surrounded by other women who have either recovered their own abuse memories or in the process of recovering them. There the patient is encouraged and sometimes even pressured by group members to remember and verbally describe incidents of sexual abuse.

    The final step in repressed memory healing is designed to enable the patient to believe in any and all recovered memories. Again, if patients are reluctant or doubt the details of their memories, therapists can call on publication likes the Courage to Heal, the Courage to Heal Workbook, or Secret Survivors, where incest survivors are taught how to believe their flashbacks, body memories, recollections of abuse, no matter how bizarre the details may be.

    These patients are told that there is no need for corroboration or proof because what is recalled is historically accurate and unalterable. Their memory they are told acts as a video tape of their lives. These therapists remove themselves from the professional responsibility of examining statements or looking for corroboration by explaining they are neither police nor investigators. They say they are merely facilitators to help women become whole and healthy.

    Once patients believe in these recovered memories they are told that it is then possible to begin the healing process. Patients are encouraged to severe their relationship with the abuser and any family member or friend who does not believe in the allegation. There are other support groups to attend that often incorporate primal scream therapy or physical violence to help work out the anger that patients feel about their recovered memories. These patients are often told that they may sue the alleged abuser in order to gain control of their lives and with the act become survivors.

    How do other members of the mental health community and law enforcement regard this new method.

    First of all many point to the troubling disregard for scientific research that is available to all mental health professionals. Dr. Richard Ofshe, professor at the University of California at Berkeley and a nationally recognized expert in suggestibility and brainwashing techniques writes “even if well intentioned the therapist in this movement are like the physicians who once bled patients in order to cure them, but unlike those physicians who are limited by the primitive state of medical knowledge of their time, the promoters of repressed memory therapy ignore reliable research, misuse their authority and techniques and damage the lives of their clients and their client’s families.”

    The best example of the movements unwillingness to use scientific and verifiable findings is it’s perception of memory, the cornerstone of their philosophy and therapy techniques. While proponents believe that memory records experiences accurately and cannot be corrupted or changed later in life, the overwhelming fact is that memory is indeed malleable and false memories it can easily implanted. That conclusion came from over 100 years of research and experience.

    Perhaps the best proof of how memory can be manipulated is revealed in a study done by Elizabeth Loftus, pre-eminent scholar on the subject. She points to over 20 years of research that clearly shows that ones recall of events can be easily influenced by fictitious descriptive details inserted characters and fictitious plot elaborations.

    To prove this Dr. Loftus’ researchers enlisted the brother of a 14 year old boy named Chris. The other brother wrote a short account of Chris having been lost in a nearby mall when he was 5 and then being found by an older man. It was an event that never happened. Within two days of reading the brief narrative, Chris said that he remembered being afraid that he would never see his family again. Two days after that he remembered the man’s flannel shirt, a conversation with him and eventually remembered that the man was bald and wore glasses. Even after being told that the event never happened Chris clung to his beliefs. He was so positive that he had been lost in the mall that he even remembered his mother coming up and telling him never to do that again.

    Dr. Loftus has replicated this kind of study again and again on adolescents, adults and senior citizens. All easily induced to believe in false memory. This body of research has been borne out repeatedly in other studies and countless hours of scientific research.

    This research into the malleability of human memory is accepted by the leading mental health practitioners and professional organizations throughout the United States. The California therapist, a magazine for the association of marriage, family and child counselors has stated “some therapists contribute to the problem of recovered memories by among other things inappropriately helping patients remember sexual and other abuse, sometimes satanic ritual abuse when it may never have happened. One must exercise caution when utilizing hypnosis and repressed memory and related cases because of the power of suggestion under hypnosis”.

    The board of trustees of the American psychiatric association has warned that “it is not known how to distinguish with complete accuracy memories based upon true events from those derived from other sources. Memories also can be significantly influenced by a trusted person, i.e. therapist or parent involved in a child custody dispute, who suggest abuse as an explanation for symptoms, problems, despite initial lack of memory of such abuse. It has been shown that repeated questioning may lead individuals to report memories of events that never occurred.”

    The board continues by saying that corroborating evidence is necessary for an accurate assessment of sexual abuse and that psychiatrists should maintain a neutral stance towards reported memories of such abuse. In light of reputable research and the admonitions of nationally recognized scholars, researchers and professional organizations it is difficult to understand the reason that some mental health processionals continue to believe in a highly suspect kind of therapy and use techniques that have been described as damaging.

    One answer is suggested by Kenneth Laning at the behavioral science unit at the FBI academy in Quantico. He wrote “therapists are probably in the best position to influence the allegations of adult survivors. The accuracy and reliability of the account of adult survivors who have been hypnotized during therapy is certainly open to question. Satanic and occult crime and ritual abuse of children has become a growth industry, speaking fees, books, video and audio tapes, prevention materials, television and radio appearances, all bring egotistic and financial reward.

    The implication of repressed memory therapy is frightening. Left in it’s wake are thousands of family members who have been and who are currently being sued for alleged molestation of daughters, sisters, nieces, grandchildren. This movement has divided families and in some cases has even led to criminal prosecution.

    For those children who actually are abused, this therapy diverts time, attention and money from legitimate programs and projects. True incidents of abuse are being diluted by a course of insecure adults who claim they too are victims. As a result each year thousands of children die from neglect or abuse or suffer from molestation.

    For mental health practitioners as a whole such therapy brings into question the ethical duty and integrity of the entire profession. Dr. Paul McHugh, chair of the psychiatry department Johns Hopkins university summed up such implications for his field when he wrote, “to treat for repressed memories without any effort at external validation is malpractice, pure and simple, malpractice on the basis of the standard of care that has developed out of our history of psychiatric service and malpractice because of misdirection of therapy will injure the patient and the family.”

    Then why does this type of therapy continue.

    It is because mental health professionals do not appropriately sanction their members. They do not hold these repressed memory therapists accountable for their actions. Margaret Singer who is now deceased is a nationally known research psychologist who urged patients to exercise their own rights when therapists practice suggestive and invasive techniques of recovered memory therapy. Only when irresponsible therapists are sued for the abuse of their patients and the patients family will this dangerous fad end. Margaret Singer has written that “perhaps the most serious danger is that true accusations of child sexual abuse will be trivialized or discredited”.

    As the nationally known social psychologist Carol Tavers puts it, “the reality of victimization of children is diluted by a course of insecure adults clambering that they are victims too.”

    In our office we see countless numbers of innocent families falsely accused because of repressed memory therapy. For this reason we are grateful for our professional relationships with Dr. Loftus, Professor Singer, Dr. Tavers and other scientifically based mental health professionals in our work to help our clients.

    http://innocencelegalteam.com/criminal-accusations/molestation/false-memory-syndrome-2/

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  176. Linda permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:25 am

    I’m so frustrated that I can’t hear and see what’s going on in the courtroom. All I’m getting is bits and pieces from here, and I’m still only on day four. Wade’s crap comes at a very opportunistic time for AEG. It is so obvious what’s going on. Where do I go to find out what’s going on every day since day 4?

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  177. Alison permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:22 am

    Hi Helena,

    Yes I believe you are right in what you say – this is all lies, is about money (or something else strong) and it is highly suspicious that it has come now. Yes, a lawyer would not be making such defamatory statements normally – even those like Feldman didn’t use such words.
    It does lead one to conclude that AEG are behind it, as you say to distract people from the truth in the trial. Who could even guess what all the connections between these people are but without doubt they are there.
    Filing this thing so late, they are banking on it being thrown out so they don’t have to go through with anything and be scrutinised and cross examined, yet still do the damage in the minds of the public.
    But these things about Michael’s health are very disturbing, he sounds very ill indeed.and AEG knew it. Murray also knew it – apart from the propofol side of things and leaving his “malpractice” and negligent homicide aside for a moment, he was a doctor and any doctor seeing this would have known his patient was seriously ill. He MUST have told AEG unless he knew they already knew.

    As you say, the attention needs to be on the trial, not on wade robson.

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  178. goodie permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:03 am

    Hey Helena! I was molested when i was 10 ; i have my share of doubts but i am not a hater rather michael always had a connect with me despite the claims therefore it is very important for me to be objective and fair. Hence i request you to please do some more research on pedophilic psychology since we dont know how a pedophile will look at those pictures.and please will you be kind enough to do some more research on how repressed memories are triggered(if they are credible anyway) considering that he was with constant touch with him from his very childhood to his mid twenties until mike’s death which in my experience is quite unbelievable since everytime i see my molester everything hits me like a bullet.but i strongly believe that arvizos are complete bogus.
    thank you

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