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September 28, 2012

MICHAEL’S HATERS ARE IMPERSONATING THIS BLOG ALL OVER THE INTERNET. 

Below is the list of the impersonators. More will be added as soon as I spot them.

To differentiate this blog which is telling the truth about Michael, from haters who trash and slander him,  please remember that the only genuine blogs from Vindicatemj are the one where you are now and its reserve copy on vindicatemjj.wordpress.com

I don’t mean to say that there are no other blogs vindicating Michael (there are many and michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com is an example of them),  but haters seem to be especially preoccupied with the word vindicatemj which was a name I somewhat accidentally acquired three years ago as the author and admin of this blog.

In the first package of fakes Michael’ s haters use the same picture I use for this blog (only they make a mockery out of it) and use the same “Vindicating Michael” title thus leaving the only outward difference between us in the Blogger web site service which hosts them while this blog is hosted by the WordPress.

Unfortunately only an attentive reader will be able to see the deception at first sight, as everything else except this Blogger.com/Wordpress.com difference seems to be the same.

The big idea of the trick is to compromise this blog devoted to cleaning Michael Jackson’s name of all dirt and lure the unsuspecting readers into a fake one which is a lair of hate, lies and more dirt about Jackson and is a terrible source for manipulation of readers’ minds.

There are actully two fake blogs which are also supplemented by fake “personal” information on the hateful human specimen that pretends to be me.

You will learn that this species started spreading its lies in May 2012. This was a time when this blog was going through much inner turmoil and was extremely vulnerable. The hater took this opportunity and created this filth:

The “complete profile” of the author says that this hater started writing on Blogger and created two fake sites in May 2012 or at the time of much trouble in the real Vindicatemj blog. To differentiate the real VMJ from this sh*t please remember that both “vindicatemj” on Blogger.com are FAKE.  The only REAL ones are vindicatemj.wordpress.com  and its reserve copy on vindicatemjj.wordpress.com

But two fake blogs hosted by Blogger are still not enough for Michael’s haters.

They decided to place their foot on the WordPress hosting service and to be able to do so added numbers 01 to vindicatemj,  opening a blog with this misleading address on WordPress.com this time.

The numbers are not seen in the headline and are found solely in the link to the fake blog.  So if it were not for the address, this other blog would again look like the one dedicated to “vindicating” Michael:

ANOTHER FAKE. You won’t be able to see the deception unless you look up the address – it has Numbers 01 added to “vindicatemj”

But even this is not enough for Michael’s haters.

They added a new domain name “me” (I hope I am using the right word) to vindicatemj and created one more blog under the same title but with a vindicate.me address this time.

As far as I know creating a new domain  is a paid service. So how big is the desire of Michael’s haters to confuse readers and draw them away from the truth if they are ready even to pay for it?!

Look at the mockery these animals are writing in the name of vindicating Michael.  HELL is where they belong and this is where I send them with all the passion of my heart:

  • “Not another WordPress blog, we are much more than that. It’s time to celebrate and vindicate the greatest entertainer that ever lived, Michael Jackson. He stole our hearts and gave us the warm fuzzy feeling inside that no other music artist could do with his amazing music. He slept with other people’s children and even used the son of God’s name to justify giving alcohol to them.”

The only visible link from the word vindicatemj, marked pink color,  takes readers to a site of a huge Michael Jackson’s hater which will be mentioned a little later:

 If you ever come across this “vindicate.me” sh*t remember that it is a Fake site made by Liars!

But even this is not all.

There is at least one more blog the style of which betrays a different hand – that of the Topix people (no one else but they call me “hater Helena”). These people started their fake blog only recently, in August 2012 when I resumed writing in mine. To look like the genuine “vindicatemj” they used a combination of words vindicatemj and blog in the address and placed it with the WordPress again.

The concept of their lies is much more sophisticated. First, they flattered me by a stylish picture of a nice young woman (which I am not alas, but thanks for the compliment anyway) and second, they seem to be publishing neutral stories except that they tell a blatant lie in the headline, “Michael was a proud and dedicated Muslim, associating his name with Christianity was bang out of order”.

Even I noticed this big lie only much later, though it was me who scribbled that Fake note over it.

This covert approach allows them to introduce small drops of poison under the cover of objectivity and win the trust of their readers. And when the readers grow trustful enough of the author calling himself “hater Helena” they will probably be interested to know what others recommened by this author write and will look up the two links mentioned in the blogroll.

These links are called “All for the love blog” (hello to Raven Woods who has also been selected for impersonation, my congratulations to you, dear fellow victim ) and “Vindicating Michael” which is supposed to take people to the blog where you are now. The links to these two blogs come on the very top of the page (on the right):

A stylish attempt  at misguiding readers made by the Topix people

But if you think that after clicking on those links you will get to the declared destinations you are greatly mistaken.

Liars and predators are like that – they only tell you that they are taking you on the road to a right place, while in reality they will take you elsewhere, to some dark and sinister places where only God knows what will happen to you.

In this particular case a link to “All for love blog” will take you to an All-for-hate-blog by a certain D:

And a link to “Vindicating Michael” will take you to one of the most vicious blogs about MJ in the whole internet. It has the neutral name of MJfacts but is actually the worst type of malicious interpretation of every dirty rumor or lie told about Jackson:

Telling lies about Jackson is now called “vindicating” him

This second blog is indeed one of the most vicious blogs about Michael you can ever imagine. Its specifics is that its author covers his totally animal hatred for Jackson by a thin veil of feigned objectivity and an attempt to present it as a well-balanced scientific approach.

However scientists don’t engage themselves in false tricks like these ones and fool their readers the way Michael Jackson’s haters do.

Even symbolically the stylish home page of this “hater Helena vindicatemj” blog and the sinister darkness of the real content standing behind it are a great illustration of these people’s devilish ways and the lies they are capable of telling – while you think that you are reading some nice non-biased materials they are actually pouring poison down your throat.

This manipulation with blogs also disclosed to us the alliance and very close contacts which I suspected long ago between the Topix people, the creature calling itself D. and the MJfacts site. All of them are just one and the same people.

The only thing that remains to be seen now is who these people are.

I hope that the methods used by Michael Jackson’s haters will tell you all you need to know about the veracity of their words.

By all this masquerading they themselves present their visiting cards as extreme liars who are unable to tell the truth in principle.

Those who start their “career” with a Big Lie, can continue with only more lies, going themselves and taking others to a place called HELL which is thriving in myriads of them.

The reason why it is inevitable is because a lie cannot generate truth. Lies are able to generate new lies only. This is simply a law of life and cannot be different.

And just one more note.

If they manipulate with my name and my blog so freely, do you think they will not manipulate with your minds in the same way? And with facts about Michael Jackson too?

They sure will.

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Updated September 29. 09. 2012

More sites with fake vindicatemj are found and more haters’ tricks are being revealed.

In addition to blogs they also post articles all over the net. These articles seem to be positive about Michael but take readers to the same two main haters’ blogs and again by means of vindicatemj links in their texts. These people exploit the desire of readers to find out the truth about Michael and press on them more lies instead. Haters evidently feel that the tide is turning and desperately want to reverse it by taking advantage of people’s renewed interest in MJ and presenting them with the old lies, only in a fresh and more attractive “research” package.

Unfortunately this isn’t a merely childish trick as it might seem at first sight. It is aimed at those who are still sitting on the fence and who have finally begun looking for texts speaking of Michael’s innocence. Imagine these people wanting to learn the truth about Michael, but instead finding new shocking “facts” of his “guilt”. This may nip in the bud any desire of these people to ever learn more about Jackson!

Let us remember that the level of these readers’ knowledge about MJ is incomparable to ours. We are able to see at first sight the fact that haters are lying (as we did our research and studied the subject inside out) – but what will ordinary readers think when they see those lies?

Readers do not know that these sites were specifically set up for spreading HATE about Jackson. And the manner of presenting the material in those sites is alluring. It flatters the readers by calling them “reasonable” and “intelligent” people in contrast to all those “rabid MJ fans”.  Add to it the fact that the new readers have no immunity against lies about MJ and you will see that haters are making a really serious attempt at reversing the trend of Michael’s vindication.

By writing all those fake “vindicatemj” articles haters are actually taking advantage of the success of Michael’s vindicators because the more people look for the word “vindicate” the more often they will get to those haters’ sites.

Look at how many times the article posted by a hater on March 4, 2012 uses the word vindicate and you will see that anyone looking for real Michael’s vindication is in the danger of finding himself in these haters’ grip. The search engines will surely put haters in close proximity to Michael’s vindicators for the simple reason that their fake article uses the word “vindication” no less than SIX times in one short paragraph. Two of them  are “vindicate’‘, two “vindicatemj” , one more vindicatemj is used as a link to a hater’s site, and one more vindicatemj is a tag:

Those who look for texts vindicating Michael will surely be taken by search engines to this article as it is simply saturated with “vindication”. But clicking on “vindicatemj” marked blue here, will take them to a  a haters’ site

Yes, if readers click on that vindicatemj link they will find themselves on one of the haters’ sites mentioned above.

Another article with an ambiguous title “Attributes Of Michael Jackson You Simply Never Thought Possible” is named there as a “related article”.

This second article is written by the same fictional author who is called a “professional writer” (which I am absolutely ready to believe).  It is the same kind of a fake “neutral” story about Jackson which takes the reader to the second of those haters’ sites and via “vindicatemj” again. The note about the author also says that “she used to share information about vindicatemj”:

Fake article refers to vindicatemj again, but takes to another of those haters’ blogs

The same fake stuff is found in the third article made by the crazy author who at the end of the article leaves a link to the blog which takes readers to hater’s ramblings again:

Another of those fake articles takes readers to a hater’s blog again

By now I am beginning to notice that the crazy author has an uncanny gift for writing both pro-Jackson and anti-Jackson all at once. What a devilish game this person is playing!  I wonder how many more of these baits are spread all over the internet in order to take readers to a source of crazy lies about Michael Jackson instead of the blog fighting for the truth about him?

So what conclusions can we make from this poisonous broth of fake “vindication”, pretence and lies?

1. First of all, these dirty manipulations, meant to hide the truth and force the public to read lies about Michael Jackson, show us the devilish methods haters used (and still use) for forming a distorted public opinion of him.  Now we can very well imagine at least one of the numerous ways in which they built and multiplied lies around him.

2. The intricate scheme involving real and fake anti-Michael blogs shows that these people possess a certain level of professionalism – both in writing and manipulating people’s minds. They themselves say about their author that “she is a professional writer” and I do not see reasons not to believe this information. And as regards manipulations I have to admit that their skill in making them is totally unrivalled.

3. At least one of these haters is not only a professional writer, but is a very prolific one at that. If you add to all those articles, fake and real anti-Michael blogs the number of Youtube videos made by this person, you’ll understand that this amount of work can be done only as a full-time job. Conversely, if hating Michael is their hobby it can mean that the person has an incredible amount of free time on his (her) hands. Both variants  automatically rule out the official hater’s version that the hater is a hard-working “university student”.

I am no student (for example) and I also have some free time on my hands but doing research and writing in one blog only does not allow me to simply update my second blog, not to mention the possibility to do the amount of work done by that hater. This person definitely has an unnatural amount of spare time and should be someone like a pensioner (not too old though) to be so active.

The lies told about vindicatemj are indescribable

4. The numerous cross-references between all those “sources” show extremely close links between Topix people who constantly slander me, the creature who calls himself D. and the MJfacts hateful blog.

These people are practically inseparable and could produce the impression of just one person doing the job if it were not for the inhuman amount of articles and blogs generated by them. This leaves us with the only one other option that they are a closely-knit lobby working for the promotion of one and the same cause.

5. The language analysis made by our American*** reader (Rodrigo) suggests that one of the haters is British, judging by some typically British expression this person used. The expression is “bang out of order” which Rodrigo’s sensitive ear registered as alien to their variation of the language. This effectively places the author in a totally different environment than the USA.

  • ***Correction: Rodrigo turned out to be British which is exactly why he noticed this difference. Moreover, he is from the North of Britain where this expression is not in use, while in the South it is, and the South of Britain is a place we are most interested in. The reasons for that will be explained below.

I am very grateful to Rodrigo for this small detail as I myself am not aware of such subtleties, however realizing it is very important as it actually refutes the assurances of the most prolific author in the group that this person is  an American girl . However I do not rule out that there are two of them – British and American.

6. And you know what?  I’ve even heard of one person who would qualify as a candidate for that big British writer. Firstly, it is he. He is an extremely prolific author who already wrote more than 600 pages about Michael Jackson in a book he did when he stayed in prison (for possessing child pornography). He is also a man with a lot of free time on his hands as he is someone retired but is still in the age when people can be quite active in doing the job of slandering someone.

7. Surprisingly, but our author D. happened to praise that British author by saying that his pedophilia-oriented book was a “damned good” one. Fortune had it that another pedophilia sympathizer, a member of a boy-lovers (BL)  chat group, shared on their forum the review made by D. and for some reason singled out this name from the rest of those who praised the book. The name of D. sounded like an authority to him. It was also this author who drew our attention to one amazing detail:

  • “Written under the pen-name Carl Toms, Michael Jackson’s Dangerous Liaisons was praised as a “damned good book” recently by Jackson blogger Desiree Hill, who made it clear she knew the author’s real identity and BL background, shrewdly noting, “it takes one to know one”!”

Wait, so the blogger hinted that it ”takes one to know one”?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Did you also think of what I have thought of?

Of course I am not ready to assert anything as fact yet, but I do increasingly find that the people involved in all this anti-Michael and anti-vindicate campaign are united by one common interest and I can’t help looking in the direction of Tom O’Carroll as their inspiration…

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Just one more day and we spot another fake vmj blog – this time on blogspot.ro.

Will there ever be an end to this totally illegal haters’ activity?

Here is another FAKE BLOG with a BIG LIE told about Jackson:

Another variation of a fake blog is found on blogspot.ro  that tells LIES not only about the author of it, but the subject matter as well!

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Updated October 1, 2012

One more day brings us another proof of complete craziness going around poor Michael Jackson.

This time we learn that it isn’t only the Vindicating Michael blog that is being slandered and imitated,  but another blog telling the truth about Michael Jackson – michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com  – that is being ridiculed in its mock double hosted by blogspot.com.

This is how Michael’s haters imagine Sanemjfan. His “personal profile” says that “he” has been blogging since July 2012. So this is the date which marks the beginning of this hellish blog!

This vindication blog is run by Sanemjfan and Lynette. Those who created the mockery site seeth with so much hatred for these authors that they cannot think of anything else but introduce Sanemjfan in the following way (see picture on the right please):

And when I looked at the blog itself, its style and its list of contents I couldn’t help exclaiming – did America go completely crazy?

So these people speak about some “Comic dogs for Wacko Jacko”, “MJ’s life for the Devil”, “MJ’s music being the work of the Devil” and Thomas Mesereau’s “unethical behavior” – and still think themselves sane?

And they even dare speak of Mesereau’s unethical behavior?  Where are the ethics of these people if they allow themselves all this nastiness?

With each new day we discover more and more about Michael Jackson’s innocence, his pure soul and God-abiding heart and this is how his fellow countrymen react to it?

And it is these people who have the audacity to call Michael Jackson’s supporters rabid?

Who is really rabid here?

Who is really rabid – MJ’s fans or his haters?

After all we see these people doing won’t it be really rabid to believe that they are capable of telling at least a fraction of truth about Jackson?

To tell you frankly, if Americans continue to believe all the BS about Jackson told by such personalities my initial reaction was to say all I think about these Americans.

And it was only the knowledge that there are millions of other – honest and upright – people in the US who feel a lot of guilt and shame for what was and is still being done to Michael Jackson that stopped me from saying everything I think about some of their compatriots. And about the way they treat the man who was one of their best. And who was actually the pride of the nation.

But out of respect for this other, sane America I will limit myself  to this comment only:

What we see Michael’s haters doing is simply CRAZY.

This is a DIAGNOSIS, guys.

How much more NORMAL Michael Jackson was in comparison with his haters!

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Updated January 23, 2013

Recently someone tried to involve me in a pseudo-discussion about who haters are and whether they exist at all. The implication of the discussion was that haters of Michael Jackson and his advocates are the invention of my mind.

Well, they do exist and they keep doing their dirty job.

In the past they hounded Michael Jackson into his grave. And now they cannot leave alone those who try to tell the truth about the man.  Haters know perfectly well that they cannot compete with the truth, so they resort to all sort of dirty tricks instead.

One of them is making up fake “vindication” blogs and is impersonating me. In their fake blogs they tell outrageous lies about Michael Jackson in the name of his advocate. These lice have been doing it before, but now they claim that they are the only ones to “vindicate” Michael.

Over here they are correct – this type of fake “vindication” is done only by Michael’s haters.

And I have nothing to do with them.

However from the place so far from yours I can do little to mend the situation. No one can probably help me but my readers only.

Please tell everyone you know on this planet that the only true name of vindicatemj is found only on THIS blog which is on WORDPRESS  and not anywhere else. The other blog which also belongs to me is vindicatemjj.wordpress.com which is a double to this one (and has been neglected by me for some time –  sorry for that – I will try to update it in the near future).

As to those fake vindicators I’ve randomly opened the bible to see what’s what and our Father has sent me psalm 68 to listen to His voice. What else can I ask for after these words?

1 Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered,
And let those who hate Him flee before Him.
As smoke is driven away, so drive them away;
As wax melts before the fire,
So let the wicked perish before God.
But let the righteous be glad; let them exult before God;
Yes, let them rejoice with gladness.
Sing to God, sing praises to His name…

Yes, let the Almighty deal with this wickedness. And since He doesn’t have other hands but ours, please tell everyone you know that the BS below has nothing to do with me.

fake vindicatemj Jan.2013

Michael’s haters are sending you “LOVE” in the name of vindicate MJJ, while the correct word is HATE of course:

fake vmj Jan.2013

Blessed be the God of LOVE into whose hands I give myself…

122 Comments leave one →
  1. February 24, 2013 11:05 am

    “You’re russian right? English isn’t my first language so I should have made some erros.”

    Yes, I am Russian. And please excuse my errors too.

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  2. MJFan permalink
    February 24, 2013 12:14 am

    Hi Helena,
    You’re russian right? It changed because of your country. Mine for example changes to pt.
    English isn’t my first language so I should have made some erros.

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  3. January 24, 2013 5:23 am

    Some people are complaining that MJ fans have killed Sullivan´s book.There are comments pro and against on the NYT.

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  4. January 23, 2013 9:09 pm

    Recently someone tried to involve me in a pseudo-discussion about who haters are and whether they exist at all. The implication of the discussion was that haters of Michael Jackson and his advocates are the invention of my mind.

    Well, they do exist and they keep doing their dirty job.

    In the past they hounded Michael Jackson into his grave. And now they cannot leave alone those who try to tell the truth about the man. Haters know perfectly well that they cannot compete with the truth, so they resort to all sort of dirty tricks instead.

    One of them is making up fake “vindication” blogs and is impersonating me. In their fake blogs they tell outrageous lies about Michael Jackson in the name of his advocate. These lice have been doing it before, but now they claim that they are the only ones to “vindicate” Michael Jackson.

    In this respect they are correct – this type of fake “vindication” is done only by Michael’s haters.

    And I have nothing to do with them.

    However from the place so far from yours I can do little to mend the situation. No one can probably help me but my readers only.

    Please tell everyone you know on this planet that the only true name of vindicatemj is found only on THIS blog which is on vindicatemj.WORDPRESS.com and not anywhere else. The other blog which also belongs to me is vindicatemjj.wordpress.com which is a double to this one (and has been neglected by me for some time – sorry for that – I will try to update it in the near future).

    As to those fake vindicators I’ve randomly opened the bible to see what’s what and our Father has sent me psalm 68 to listen to His voice. What else can I ask for after these words?

    1 Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered,
    And let those who hate Him flee before Him.
    2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away;
    As wax melts before the fire,
    So let the wicked perish before God.
    3 But let the righteous be glad; let them exult before God;
    Yes, let them rejoice with gladness.
    4 Sing to God, sing praises to His name…

    Yes, let the Almighty deal with this wickedness. And since He doesn’t have other hands by ours please tell everyone you know that the BS below has nothing to do with me.

    fake vindicatemj blog

    They are sending you “LOVE” in the name of vindicate MJJ, while the correct word is HATE of course:

    fake vindicators send you hate instead of love

    Blessed be the God of LOVE into whose hands I give myself

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  5. October 30, 2012 6:08 pm

    Guys, you can ‘congratulate’ me – Michael’s hater Desiree has now changed the address of her/his blog and now it ends with blogspot.RU as if this person comes from Russia! This creature seems to be obsessed with compromising me. The implication is evidently that I both write here and there, so I am a hater and a supporter in one package.

    Well, to be consistent in this job D. will now have to rewrite all posts in her/his blog now – only with my typical mistakes in grammar and spelling this time. For the first time in my life I am happy that I do make these mistakes. (Changing them now is too late, dear – too many texts have already been copied for various reasons).

    I found out this trick quite by chance – just pressed on the old address ending with .com but it took me to the new .ru address. Those who understand please explain (I am really curious) – how is it possible to officially have a .com address but when you press on it it looks as if it is registered on a Russian server? The question is important as we need to understand what level of access to the Internet this person has to be able to do these tricks.

    On Topix they routinely change their whereabouts, but this trick looks more serious to me.

    Here is the screenshot: desiree is now RU

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  6. October 18, 2012 10:29 am

    “It was the details of Havenhurst that he fed to that kid. He probably got those details from the employees that sued Michael. His MO as child molester was to pose as a social worker. He IS a bonavide member of NAMBLA no doubt about it.” – Lynande51

    Diane Dimond could be lying of course but she said that the boy was shown the photos of some Neverland employees and he was able to identify them. Of course no cameras were allowed in Neverland but there was absolutely no way to control secret video recording which could be done by anyone who prepared himself for the job well. Rodney Allen could come to Neverland as a social worker and could secretly record everything and everybody there. Dimond said the boy was familiar with those people’s faces – how could he if he NEVER left Canada? He was a homeless boy with no means and actually lived in the street.

    No, this was a very thought-out scam, Rodney Allen prepared himself very well for it and it was only due to the efficiency of Canadian police that it was uncovered. I wouldn’t be surprised if this Rodney was the one who sent MJ a book signed “Rhonda” as if he were a fan girl – at least the time period for both coincides.

    As to Rodney Allen – of course he was a boy abuser! He got a life sentence for that! I’ve read somewhere that he keeps complaining that the Canadian authorities jailed him on too flimsy evidence (like finding child porn in his home as far as I remember), but I doubt that a life sentence could be based only on pictures. DD knows much more of course, but would not tell.

    She said she had been receiving letters from that “small Canadian suburb” for a year by the time of her visit to Canada in 1995 and when they found the real man who was sending them information under the name of John Templeton she realized that it was the Rodney Allen she knew. Now she would be too embarassed to admit that another of her sources was a pedophile.

    The Canadian tape is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1baXLBHFibk#!

    Rodney Allen’s efforts against Jackson in combination with Gutierrez’s thorough activities against Michael speak to a plan of ped-lia lobby to drag Michael through the mud and label him a p-le. The next step after that was to say that “he was such a nice guy” and “see how beneficial this kind of love is for the children who associated with him?” which was a stance taken by Thomas O’Carroll in his book of lies published immediately after Michael’s death. So it was a two-stage operation – first try to prove that he was one of them, and then justify their actions against children using the slandered Michael as their poster boy.

    The only obstacle to the plan was Michael’s own vehement dissociation with these people. He sacrificed his whole life to proving that he was not their kind.

    Thomas O’Carroll realizes now that Michael Jackson is not instrumental for their cause. He is regarded as too “untypical” to be able to represent them, and since now they do not hope to use him as their poster boy any more, the ’empathy for MJ’ policy has been cancelled while the vicious lies policy remained.

    How I know that Thomas O’Carroll says that Michael Jackson can no longer help them? Here is a reader’s comment on his book which is unfortunately still availalbe on the Internet:

    O’Carroll concludes that Michael won’t help us

    I’ve read the book twice, it’s very interesting and illuminating. . . BUT even O’Carroll concludes at the end of the book that he has changed his mind, that he once believed Michael would help our cause, but no longer believes that.

    “Why have I changed my mind? Partly, it is a reluctant and belated admission that his ‘case’ is so individual, so unique, that many people see him as having very little in common with the ‘pervert’ teachers, sports coaches and the rest who are so insistently vilified in the rogues’ galleries of the media, and who, unlike Michael, do end up in jail. . .” – p. 540

    He ends his book with this provocative paragraph:

    “If only the rest of his behaviour had been half as attractive, I would be twice as happy about his long-term impact on the social acceptance of paedophilia. But honesty compels this author to tell it like it is, not as one might wish it to be. In a more generous and understanding age Michael may yet come to be seen as the Oscar Wilde of child-love and I would welcome that. To achieve it, though, the task of crafting his legend will one day need to pass to hands other than mine. . .perhaps Jordie’s?” – p. 541

    It seems that now they want to turn Jordan Chandler into their poster boy. Does he want it I wonder?

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  7. lynande51 permalink
    October 18, 2012 5:40 am

    It was the details of Havenhurst that he fed to that kid. He probably got those details from the employees that sued Michael. His MO as child molester was to pose as a social worker. He IS a bonavide member of NAMBLA no doubt about it.

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  8. October 17, 2012 6:36 pm

    “I’m writing a post about Savile, then Sandusky. I’m going to make sure they ALL see what worthless morons they are. How they’ve dedicated their lives to this, and not once bothered ranting or raving about real ped-les like Savile. I’ll make sure they’ll see it.”

    Great, Rodrigo, we’ll be waiting for it.
    In the meantime I wanted to explain why I think that Michael’s hater from the mjfacts site is British.

    Tomas O’Carroll’s biography on the site of William Percy had several links to Amazon.com where he left his reviews to practically every book which is favorable to MJ. Here are some quotes from his comment on Aphrodite Jones’ book, please pay attention to the two words in bold type:

    – Aphrodite Jones competently tells the story of how Michael’s brilliant top lawyer, Tom “mesmerising” Mesereau, exposed this dishonesty.
    – Jones persists in smearing Evan by referring to his “criminal defence“.

    Defence and mesmerising are British English and are equivalent to defense and mesmerizing in American English.

    And now look at the mjfacts site – some quotes from it:

    – He rightly calls the defence tactic a “fishing expedition”;
    – That the defence fought…
    defence attorney Tom Mesereau…
    – Jones then goes on to do exactly as Jackson’s defence did
    – Of particular note is the fact that the defence fought..

    Words like “criticize”, “realize”, “normalize” are also written in British spelling with “s”:

    – you will realise why Michael Jackson
    – I can’t criticise people like that
    – It needs to be explained, excused, normalised, justified.

    Or the word “behavior” written in British spelling again – with “u”:

    – testified to the Arvizo’s behaviour – food fights, rowdy behaviour and rudeness

    So the latest texts in the mjfacts site were written by a British, though the earlier ones which we thought to belong to Ray or Evan Chandler were written by an American. This makes the mjfacts site an effort of a British person who used some American texts.

    Some phrases also betray the desire of the author to erase all British English elements from his texts. For example, in the sentence below he changed the spelling of one word but didn’t change the spelling of the other word:

    – the motion filed by the defense on January 18, 2005. Upon reading the motion, you will notice that the defence were eager to..

    But if you compare his site with that of Desiree there will be a decided difference. D.’s spelling is American – “behavior”, “rumor”, “defense”:

    behavior with boys
    – his own family’s behavior toward Michael Jackson

    – was filed proactively by the Defense
    – the defense stepped in and filed the motion

    – gay rumors that had dogged him his entire career
    – the rumors Michael Jackson had to face

    So there can’t be any doubt that one person is American and the other is British (or Australian as their spelling is the same).

    * * *
    But I have a question to you, Rodrigo. Is there a difference in the way British people write depending on their age? If there is please contact me by mail.

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  9. October 17, 2012 11:05 pm

    “The fact is that there was a fax from Rodney Allen to someone on the DA’s office back in 1993. He was the one that put that kind up to lying about Michael in Toronto. Dimond and her crew flew there and so did the Santa Barbara officials. Allen would pose as a couselor or a social worker to lure young boys to him. He is currently incarcerated in Ontario as a dangerous offender and yes it is the same one.”

    Lynande51, I’ve found that fax. It seems that same as Victor Gutierrez Rodney Allen was crawling somewhere around MJ in 1993. As far as we know he was able to give details of Neverland to the Canadian boy who told lies about MJ and coached him so well that the boy could draw a picture of Neverland and was even able to identify some of its employees (though he had never been to Neverland and never left Canada).

    It means that Rodney Allen had photographed those employees and shown the photos to the boy. And that he probably photographed Neverland. And he had been to Neverland himself. If he was a social worker he could have accompanied children there. He was two years older than Michael (born in 1956).

    Judging by the fax Rodney Allen, same as Gutierrez, was evidently “consulting” the police in MJ’s 1993 case because it says:

    “Rodney Allen will not be a part of THIS case”. But then it means that he was a part of THAT case in 1993.

    Isn’t it incredible that the prosecution was using the services of REAL pedophiles in order to prosecute a totally innocent person? And these pedophiles were walking free while an innocent man was harassed beyond the pale! Rodney Allen was sentenced to life imprisonment only in 2001, so he walked free for another 8 years!

    Rodney Allen will not be a part of THIS case

    A post about Rodney Allen and the Canadian scam: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/children-dont-lie-video/

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  10. October 17, 2012 4:53 pm

    ” if they cared about children then why don;t they make blogs exposing REAL criminals like Jimmy Saville. Instead they are making fake MJ sites why don’t they use that time to make a blog investigating Jimmy Saville perhaps find some more info on him to help the authorities.” – Truth Prevail

    I agree that the people from those sites are not interested in exposing real pedophiles. For some reason they are only interested in MJ, the innocent man. But as to real criminals and real prevention of crime against children they cannot care less. I wonder why?

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  11. Rodrigo permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:40 am

    I know. They’re an absolute disgrace.

    And I’m writing a post about Savile, then Sandusky. I’m going to make sure they ALL see what worthless morons they are. How they’ve dedicated their lives to this, and not once bothered ranting or raving abour real ped-les like Savile. I’ll make sure they’ll see it.

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  12. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:07 am

    @Rodrigo

    The truth is these people have no life and are trolls and by the looks of things they don’t really care about children either if they cared about children then why don;t they make blogs exposing REAL criminals like Jimmy Saville etc… who’s dirty secret is being exposed here in the UK. Instead they are making fake MJ sites why don’t they use that time to make a blog investigating Jimmy Saville perhaps find some more info on him to help the authorities.

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  13. Rodrigo permalink
    October 17, 2012 12:07 am

    Truth Prevail

    They already have lol
    Somebody using the name “Roderigo”

    It’s meant to be seen as the ANTI Vindicatemj. It’s like something out of the Twilight Zone lol Like we have dopplegangers or something.

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  14. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 16, 2012 11:25 pm

    @Rodrigo

    Wow really? thanks for letting me know I did not think anything i wrote here would be so threatening to them. What are they saying?

    They are definitely keeping an close watch on this blog even as far as reading the comments.

    Watch out they will be impersonating you next if they haven’t already.

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  15. Rodrigo permalink
    October 16, 2012 10:20 pm

    Well there you go. A bunch of citizens, with nothing better else to do than claim they saw Michael with his kid companions, thinking he was guilty, and hoping they were helping police take down a child molester. And in those situation, people will often exaggerate what they saw or heard, if they believe that’s what the police need to hear.

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  16. October 16, 2012 9:06 pm

    “But Michael wouldn’t go off anywhere without his bodyguards unless he was in disguise. He was extremely wary with his personal safety.” – Rodrigo

    I’ve checked the FBI files, the one-page statement about the train is in this file: http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2009/12/22/news/media/jackson1_62d-la-162715.PDF

    If it was really Michael Jackson, and he was really travelling from Chicago to Grand Canyon on March 7, 1992, he was travelling with bodyguards and they had 4 compartments. Why MJ’s compartment bordered with the compartment of these vigilant citizens I don’t know. I don’t know either how to explain the “questionable noises”, especially if MJ knew that they were evesdropping behind the wall (or through the door of the compartment). The only explanation I can find is that they were hanging out, were really making much noise or were pulling their neighbor’s leg with some prank.

    Here is the screenshot of the page:
    statement of Aug.24, 1993 to FBI

    I paid attention to the date of this statement – it is August 24, 1993 or a week after the criminal investigation of Jordan Chandler’s case started:

    – The FBI was approached by the Los Angeles Police Department and the FBI is helping the police with the case.
    – After the news was broken all vigilant citizens of the country started recalling when they saw Jackson with children.
    – One saw him on a train, another on a plane, another one in a car, so on and so forth.
    – Since Michael was always travelling with children ALL of them suddenly recalled that they had seen him with some minor.
    – Messages started pouring in hundreds, probably thousands.
    – However despite the torrent of phone calls, interviews and statements two days after the FBI agent takes this telephone call, on August 26, 1993, the officer of the LAPD Major Crimes Unit still says:

    “Nobody’s brought anything to us,” said Capt. William O. Gartland, head of the Unit.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-26/news/mn-28196_1_michael-jackson/2

    nobody brought anything to us

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  17. October 16, 2012 6:58 pm

    “The fact is that there was a fax from Rodney Allen to someone on the DA’s office back in 1993.”– lynande51

    We’ll need to check up the respective FBI to see once again what it said (does anyone remember in which file it was?). It would be interesting to find out if it was really Rodney Allen who reported that train episode. He was another of close contacts of Diane Dimond, someone she said she knew well. It looks like all her best contacts were pedophiles.

    Rodney Allen’s scam to slander Michael Jackson in 1995 backfired against him. It seems that the Canadian police got interested in him and the boy whom he coached to slander Michael. In 2001 Rodney Allen was convicted for life for crimes against children.

    Here is his photo:

    Here is a post about Rodney Allen, Diane Dimond and the 1995 fake Canadian case:
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/children-dont-lie-video/

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  18. Rodrigo permalink
    October 16, 2012 9:02 am

    Thanks for that, Lynette. With the timeline, it would have coincided, yes.

    The haters fail to mention that fact on their blog.

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  19. lynande51 permalink
    October 16, 2012 8:53 am

    There was many more kids and grown ups on that train too. I believe that it was Mr and Mrs. Barnes with Karlee and Brett as well as the other kids that were with Michael to shoot Jam.I think one of them was his niece Brandi in video.I think the producer or director of that video was in fact where that information came from.

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  20. lynande51 permalink
    October 16, 2012 8:47 am

    The fact is that there was a fax from Rodney Allen to someone on the DA’s office back in 1993. I don’t know if any of you remeber who he is but he was the one that put that kind up to lying about Michael in Toronto. Dimond and her crew flew there and so did the Santa Barbara officials. Allen would pose as a couselor or a social worker to lure young boys to him. He is currently incarcerated in Ontario as a dangerous offender and yes it is the same one.That is where I think the story originated. He was also a friend of Victors or at least an aquaintance. It seems that Allen used to pump employees and former employees of Havenhurst for information about Michael.

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  21. Rodrigo permalink
    October 16, 2012 7:05 am

    Now that’s sick.

    But Michael wouldn’t go off anywhere without his bodyguards unless he was in disguise. He was extremely wary with his personal safety.

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  22. October 16, 2012 5:39 am

    “And they love playing with the couple on the train allegedly hearing noises story.”

    Rodrigo, I always wondered why this “Michael” whom the couple allegedly saw on a train took a compartment adjoining theirs if he was travelling with bodyguards. So the bodyguards were in one end of the train carriage and “Michael Jackson” was in the other end of it? What’s the point of having bodyguards then if your compartment borders with complete strangers?

    Oh, he was travelling alone? Michael Jackson was travelling alone? Without any disguise so that anyone could recognize him?

    Who is crazy here?

    Oh, and the story was so credible that the FBI took action following it? Or did they simply register it in their files as another of those crazy stories circumlating about MJ?

    And by the way, how do we know that it was real Michael Jackson? This article, for example, says that an impersonator of Michael Jackson lured boys into his gang and molested them. He called himself Michael Johnson and the whole thing was happening in the year 1994!

    Michael Jackson Mimic Faces Still More Charges
    AROUND CENTRAL FLORIDA
    September 21, 1994

    A Michael Jackson impersonator charged last month with molesting three Orange County boys to initiate them into a gang was charged Tuesday with molesting four more.

    Michael Johnson, 29, is charged with 18 counts of a lewd act on a child and is being held on $485,000 bail in the Orange County Jail.
    Investigators contend Johnson is the leader of a teen-age gang with about 50 members and used sex to build trust and loyalty.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1994-09-21/news/9409210206_1_michael-johnson-michael-jackson-mimic

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  23. Rodrigo permalink
    October 16, 2012 1:24 am

    And Truth Prevail is getting impersonated now. Welcome to club, Truth 😀

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  24. Rodrigo permalink
    October 16, 2012 1:07 am

    Update from the weirdo’s.

    Now they’re talking about the FBI files on Michael. About the train event and the Canadian couple.

    They’re blatantly ignoring the fact that Michael would refer to many kids as ‘cousins’, as he considered them family members.

    And they love playing with the couple on the train allegedly hearing noises story.

    Need I remind that this couple didn’t like the sight Michael with a kid anyways?
    They were being interviewed by police over criminal conduct on his part. So isn’t there a possibility that they exaggerated their claims, as people do, and especially as they were trying to help police nail Michael over what THEY (the couple and police) think he did? It’s not hard to imagine.

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  25. October 9, 2012 11:08 am

    “Check out Syzy´s comment on “Stroll Down Memory Lane” on Apr.21 at 9:43 am.2012”

    Yes, Suzy’ comment is very much to the point. Let me repeat it here for easier reference:

    Suzy
    April 21, 2012 9:43 am

    I have an idea about who was bankrolling his “mission”, I think we all have.

    In the Tageszeitung article (the interview he gave in 2005) it’s claimed that after that NAMBLA conference in 1986 he quit his job and it seems like then pursuing Michael’s employees and families around him was his full time job.

    I also find it very disturbing that no one who has used him as a source or who employed him in the media ever background checked him and saw what he’s about. Can you believe that? Can you believe that you would employ a guy to make a documentary on MJ without taking a look in the book he has written about MJ? And if they took a look in that book how didn’t they see the red flags? The blatant p-le propaganda? The thanks to NAMBLA? You either have to be stupid to not to see that or perhaps there are others in high positions in the media who perfectly knew what this was all about and they were knowingly supportive of that.

    And what about law enforcement? They say the prosecution took this book as a blueprint in their “investigation” and there are signs of that in some of the questions they asked from witnesses. Have they not once asked themselves: well, what if it’s just not true what this guy writes? He wrote Brett Barnes was molested, then Brett Barnes goes on the stand and says it never happened. He claimed there’s a video of Michael molesting his nephew but then the boy’s mother says it’s not true and no such video is ever presented. He says Wade Robson, Mac Culkin, this and that were molested, but those boys say no, they weren’t.

    Despite of so many obvious lies, somehow the prosecution and the media still believes this guy is telling the truth? Can’t they connect the dots when they see that so many of their witnesses had contact with this guy who helped them to prepare for newspaper interviews and lawsuits against MJ? (Adrian McManus said on the stand that VG helped them with their lawsuit.) Can’t they connect the dots when they see that at least two of Michael’s accusers (Chandler, Francia) of the three were in direct contact and in collaboration with this guy? And the third case (Arvizo) might have been indirectly triggered by him if it’s true he worked with Bashir.

    What kind of investigators are these? Instead of having 100+ house searches at Michael’s and his people’s, perhaps they should have searched VG’s house and his computers just once. They might have found more interesting stuff…

    Here is a direct link to her comment: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/take-a-stroll-down-memory-lane-with-michael-jackson-was-my-lover-photo-album/#comment-24272

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  26. October 9, 2012 10:57 am

    “Now that helena is caring for her mother,who is old and ill,and that gives her no time for the blog at this time, I suggest that you look up Matt Semino.com, on Michael Jackson.”

    Guys, thank you for your patience with me and concern for my mother. None of us are getting younger of course, but hopefully we will still see brighter days.

    I wanted to write a ‘positive’ post about Michael quoting Matt Semino and several other people who knew Michael, are family men and never doubted that they could leave their 4-year olds with him. But since Jordan’s declaration was all over the front pages of those fake posts I decided that it demanded attention more than anything else. There were also things which I myself was curious about and still need to research. But I still hope that there will be a time for a post about Matt and other Michael’s supporters.

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  27. October 9, 2012 1:14 am

    Check out Syzy´s comment on “Stroll Down Memory Lane” on Apr.21 at 9:43 am.2012
    I wish some disbelievers would look it up too.Sometimes though it seems it is not a question
    of disbelief, but a haters group who just feed off each other and their craziness, never mind any thruth

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  28. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 8, 2012 3:25 pm

    @aldebaranredstar

    ” I wonder if being in a studio was healthy for the llama due to the noise level?? But Michael said he bought the llama from a circus so maybe the llama had been around noisy places before??”

    As far as i know recording studios have special glass around the part where they record perhaps the Llama was outside the part where they actually record therefore did not hear the music booming out.

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  29. aldebaranredstar permalink
    October 8, 2012 7:06 am

    So sorry to hear about the illness of Helena’s mother. I hope she will recover soon.

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  30. October 7, 2012 5:31 pm

    Now that helena is caring for her mother,who is old and ill,and that gives her no time for the blog at this time, I suggest that you look up Matt Semino.com, on Michael Jackson. Some of you may be familiar with his writings already. There are many over the past 2-3 years.
    They are all good. For some reason I cannot get up the latest 9.30 2012, but the earlier ones can easily be found.It is strange how material vanishes from the net.

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  31. aldebaranredstar permalink
    October 5, 2012 6:57 am

    “Michael Jackson’s llama wrecked Freddie Mercury’s dreams of recording a hit duet with the King of Pop – because the QUEEN star didn’t like working in a studio with an overgrown pet.
    The tragic Bohemian Rhapsody singer made a friend of Jackson in the early 1980s and the two superstars plotted to work together, but things hit a snag when the Thriller hitmaker insisted on showing up to work with his llama.
    In a new Dvd expose of Mercury’s solo career, the late star’s manager Jim ‘Miami’ Beach says, “They got on well except for the fact that I suddenly got a call from Freddie, saying, ‘Miami, dear, can you get on over here… You’ve got to get me out of here. I’m recording with a llama… I’ve had enough and I want to get out.”

    Freddie later said he regretted not staying with Michael b/c he thought the song they were working on might have been included in Thriller, but maybe it was also the cocaine use that ended the relationship?? I wonder if being in a studio was healthy for the llama due to the noise level?? But Michael said he bought the llama from a circus so maybe the llama had been around noisy places before??

    VMJ, it’s good to remember those lyrics from”Cry’–“You can change the world; I can’t do it by myself.” He wanted and needed our help to realize his goals.

    I am feeling sad right now. The Native Americans were promised that their sacred lands, The Black Hills in North Dakota, would be theirs forever but the treaty was broken when gold was discovered there and now people own it. One family wants to sell their land of 2,000 acres–land on which the Sioux tribes have performed their ceremonies for 3,000 years. They want 9 million dollars, and the Indians want to buy it but they have so little money. I wish some wealthy people would help them. They only have til end of November to come up with the $$$. If they can’t buy it, they are worried that someone else will buy the land and stop the ceremonies. I wish I could wave a magic wand and make changes that Michael wanted and I am sure he would support the Native Americans, as he supported indigenous peoples, as we see in films like ‘Black or White,” (where he dances with Native Americans) and “Earth Song.”

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  32. SaraJane permalink
    October 5, 2012 2:39 am

    ”It would be great if Michael’s supporters went on with what he started but was unable to do during his lifetime. This would be the best tribute to Michael and the best visiting card for his fans.”
    Helena, it has already started!!!
    http://www.michaeljacksonslegacy.org/index.php/about/meet-the-team

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  33. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 5, 2012 12:25 am

    @VindicateMJ

    You would be surprised at the stuff some people have phobias of lol.

    I would not be surprised if Freddie was just joking about it and was not meant to be taken serious.

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  34. Susannerb permalink*
    October 4, 2012 11:30 pm

    I also would appreciate a post about Matt Semino and others who spoke well about Michael. There are a lot of respectable persons who told the truth about Michael which perhaps is not well-known enough. We should put them into the foreground and draw attention to their articles, interviews, speeches, books etc. I for example regard it a great thing that Mary Fischer re-published her article of 1994 now with a new foreword, which is available on Amazon. I will order it to support her.
    You’re right, Helena. We are beyond dealing with haters and detractors in detail. They exposed themselves as liars and don’t need the attention anymore. We should rather start to shed more light on MJ’s supporters in society (which of course does not exclude new posts about Sandusky etc. to show the difference, which is also important). But we too often are distracted by these haters from the positive things that happen in Michael’s favour.

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  35. October 4, 2012 11:22 pm

    “I remember reading that Michael distanced himself from Freddie ever since Freddie started doing cocaine at Michael’s home in Encino don’t know if that story is true. I wonder if that Llama story is true if it is perhaps the Llama’s presence in the studio made Freddie scared lol”

    Truth Prevail, I am sure that the Llama’s presence was only a pretext. It is so charming an animal that I cannot imagine anyone being against its presence. People do not object to cats and dogs, though a dog in a studio may be much more inconvenient as it barks, but an Llama? What harm can this darling do?

    The story about cocaine is a much more possible reason. I’ve read something of the kind too. But what else could Freddy Mercury say? That Michael was against him using the cocaine? And that he was teaching him from the Bible not to?

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  36. Maria permalink
    October 4, 2012 11:06 pm

    @ aldebaranredstar
    This interview is so priceless that I decided to put it. Some parts are inaudible because of the sound of fountains, but what is enough to know the personality of Michael in its purest form. I have a transcript of this interview only in my language.

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  37. October 4, 2012 10:49 pm

    “post on Matt Semino would be wonderful and empowering for us. As you say, it is important to focus on the wise and good people who have come to Michael’s defense, such as Matt.”

    Yes, after the craziness we heard from Michael’s haters the next logical step to take would be to write what sane people say about Michael. I was planning to do it but my mother, who is very old, has not been well lately, so I really don’t know when this will be done.

    I’ve also been thinking whether we should respond to every allegation haters make against Michael. Previously my first reaction was to start analyzing them immediately in order to refute them, and this is why I have two dozen posts started (but never finished as something more urgent always interfered).

    Now I absolutely refuse to follow the haters’ lead and do what they want me to do. Seeing the haters’ methods I realize that there is a much more economical way to handle them.

    This story with fake vindication blogs, “pro-Jackson” ideas they falsely express in numerous articles in order to direct readers to their anti-Jackson sites and lies they tell about themselves (“I am a Russian from St. Petersburg”) – all this is not the personal issue of us only as individual Michael’s supporters.

    No, it isn’t a personal thing at all – instead it is a great universal vindication tool for asserting the truth about Michael and disproving lies about him. The fact that haters speak in other persons’ names, take readers to their sites through fake pro-Jackson links and are fraudulent enough to write stories about their “love” for Michael in order to direct readers to their hate-filled sites – all this proves what kind of people we are dealing with.

    These people are Huge Liars. And though the degree of their lies varies from people to people there is one thing in common – they are simply unable to tell the whole truth. They will write a thousand words which will mimicry for the truth and collects dozens of materials which will seem okay, but independent of what they say you may be sure of one thing – they will present one side of the matter only.

    They will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER show the evidence from the other side which is nullifying the lies they are telling. Listening to them is like forever listening to the prosecution side with the defense never present or not given a chance.

    And the prosecution always accuses because it’s their job to accuse. Sometimes they even fabricate evidence – like Sneddon did it with those missing fingerprints and other things. And now we see that the usual rank-and-file MJ haters also start make fabrications – they lie about Jackson (and bloggers supporting him), they go as far as fabricating these bloggers’ sites, they impersonate them and speak in their names, they tamper with the evidence, they falsify facts.

    In short they think themselves incredibly clever by splashing so many new lies into the Internet through those fake blogs, but turn out extremely stupid as by displaying their fraudulent nature so openly they disrupt their own effort in spreading lies about Jackson.

    This is why I think that going into every crazy detail these people are saying will be unnecessary now.

    Jordan’s declaration and his interview with Dr. Chandler will surely have to be analyzed one day though everything is already absolutely clear about them, but generally speaking I think that now we are past the stage when we needed to go into every detail of “who said what” and how we can refute their words.

    They have proven themselves that they are liars. They provided full evidence why they cannot be trusted. They have shown to everyone that they are able to resort to every crazy trick in order to fool their readers into believing their stories about Jackson.

    And by doing all this they have made our job much easier now.

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  38. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:39 pm

    @aldebaranredstar

    I remember reading that Michael distanced himself from Freddie ever since Freddie started doing cocaine at Michael’s home in Encino don’t know if that story is true.

    Freddie talked about his duets with Michael and he said the reason they never got to finish the songs was because Queen was always moving around the world as was Michael since then they did not stay long enough in a city/Country or be at the same place to finish the songs.

    I wonder if that Llama story is true if it is perhaps the Llama’s presence in the studio made Freddie scared lol

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  39. October 4, 2012 9:25 pm

    “There are people now who are trying to get Michael’s dream of a children’s hospital underway, and that would really be doing something that Michael wanted!! It would also be wonderful if fans could fulfill his dream of having an International Children’s Day, similar to Mother’s Day and Father’s Day.” – Aldeberanredstar

    It would be great if Michael’s supporters went on with what he started but was unable to do during his lifetime. This would be the best tribute to Michael and the best visiting card for his fans. There are so many things to do and so many directions to go in the name of Michael! Doing research to prove his innocence is important, but it is only part of the job. There is so much more and I wish each Michael’s supporter did a little something to make Michael’s dreams a reality. Imagine how much better the world would be if all of us did.

    If Michael was a messenger, we, as people who so much appreciate him, can be his messengers in the world around us and if we adhere to the principles of love and truth Michael lived by, we would eventually be able to make a change Michael asked us. Remember what he said in “Cry” – he said he couldn’t do it by himself, he needed our help:

    You can change the world (I can’t do it by myself)
    You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody’s help)
    You’re the chosen one..

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  40. aldebaranredstar permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:19 pm

    Is there a way to get a transcript of that interview? It is so hard to hear over the noise of the fountain.

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  41. Maria permalink
    October 4, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ Vindicatemj (Helena)
    This interview shows in the most clear way the real character and spirituality of Michael. It is also an argument as pure and innocent man was Michael. Michael discovers his pure and beautiful soul. I wish this interview was one of the main sources of the truth about Michael Jackson. It deserves special attention. This is Michael Jackson.

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  42. aldebaranredstar permalink
    October 4, 2012 5:53 am

    I agree, VMJ, that a post on Matt Semino would be wonderful and empowering for us. As you say, it is important to focus on the wise and good people who have come to Michael’s defense, such as Matt. I had read his essay but had forgotten how powerful it is. It is something to read and re-read. I really love how Matt emphasizes Michael’s work as a humanitarian, and I think this is so important. There are people now who are trying to get Michael’s dream of a children’s hospital underway, and that would really be doing something that Michael wanted!! It would also be wonderful if fans could fulfill his dream of having an International Children’s Day, similar to Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. One song that Michael wrote that as far as I know was never released and that highlights to perfection his humanitarianism is the song “What More Can I Give.” Such a beautiful song and sentiment: “We should give over and over again!”

    About this comment of Matt’s regarding Michael’s “bold eccentricities,” a news item I read has me laughing today. Apparently Freddie Mercury of Queen was friendly with Michael in the 80’s and was recording a duet with him in the studio. But Freddie quit b/c he could not handle the fact that Michael insisted on bringing his beloved llama, called Louis, to the studio. Now that is something so charming and endearing, and I have seen photos of Michael with Louis the Llama (in fact, there is a video of them together where Michael kisses Louis). Is there anyone else in the world who would do that?

    http://www.contactmusic.com/news/llama-killed-freddie-mercury-s-jackson-dreams_3310436

    “His bold eccentricities lied outside of the norm of standard, socially acceptable behavior but were they necessarily illegal or wrong? No. Most of Michael Jackson’s actions were unconventional yet, at the same time, wasn’t the grandeur of his celebrity and global status beyond anything that modern day culture has ever witnessed? His grandeur, his eccentricity, each influenced and exaggerated the other.”

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  43. Rodrigo permalink
    October 4, 2012 2:48 am

    I’ll do that, Helena. Right now there’s a documentary about Saville reported by the detective who investigated him, I’m taping it, and I’ll see what I get from that. There’s an increase of his victims coming forward as well, so far as 10 right now. One of my mother’s friends was at the school where Saville sponsored, and one of her friends is actually in the documentary, allegedly a victim also, so I’ll inquire about that.

    But all of this is worth comparing with Michael’s case. Saville was a HUGE celebrity and philanthropist over here.

    What’s most intriguing is the possibility that the BBC and the police covered up or turned a blind eye to Saville’s abuse towards young girls. The signs were there for years, but they were ignored.

    And the ONE thing I want people to know more than anything as you pointed out with Sandusky. Not one victim is defending him, not one friend, everybody who played a role in his abuse towards children are even coming forward…They know. Whereas with Michael, it was completely the opposite, and I want everybody to know WHY. Because he was innocent.

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  44. October 4, 2012 12:50 am

    “Helena. In light out this business with Jimmy Saville over here in the UK, I’d really like this to perhaps be used in a post one day, along with Jerry Sandusky. They’re both very similar. I’ve been researching a lot on these cases, and I want people to know just by looking at Saville and Sandusky, you will realise how innocent Michael was.”

    Rodrigo, I don’t know anything about Jimmy Saville except what you’ve told us here, but I studied a bit of Sandusky’s case until something more urgent distracted me. But we still need to speak about Sandusky to show the huge difference between a real ped-le and the innocent man who was accused of the crime for nothing.

    When I was reading the media reports about the testimonies of Sandusky’s victims I remember that even Dimond was astonished by the intensity of these boys’s emotions (now grown-up people). Even so many years afterwards they cried like babies. Those tears had everything – pain, humiliation, helplessness at not being able to fight their abuser, despair at realizing that no one would believe them, the feeling that their whole world collapsed, a deep sense of loneliness, thinking themselves “dirty” and “not like everyone else” now, having to keep a dark secret that now forever separated them from the rest of the people.

    They cried because their whole life took a totally different course and they will never be the same. They will never be the same young care-free boys who had not yet seen this ugliest side of life. They cry because they don’t understand why it had to happen to them. Those scenes from their childhood will haunt them forever now, and they are doomed also to forever ask themselves whether they should and could have done something to stop it.

    Compare these tears of grown-up people (shed a decade after the molestation actually took place!) with Jordan Chandler calm and even bossy attitude during his interview with Dr. Chandler only a month or two later after the alleged molestation and you will see all the difference in the world. Not only wasn’t there a single drop of tear, but there were no emotions whatsoever – which should have been there by all means as in all cases of a huge psychological trauma. And emotions are remembered best – you can forget the details of the event itself, but you will surely remember what and how you felt at the time.

    The real victims remembered every detail because the intense emotions which accompanied all that horror imprint the events forever. They try to forget them but they cannot. Compare it with Jordan who could not remember a single date and was coldly breaking his narration into “phases” to be able to remember some dates. He finally recalled that it was sometime in summer by the associative link with a book he was to read during the summer holiday. The book was “To kill a mocking bird” and this he remembered! And when the “molestation” took place he did not!

    This is the way people behave when they describe something fictional. Something which did not affect them and which did not touch their emotions. People behave this way when they lie.

    Rodrigo, I will surely handle this issue when I have an opportunity, but I would also like to ask you to look into this Jimmy Saville’s case and probably even make a post about it.

    As you rightfully said just by simply looking at these criminals people will realize how innocent Michael was.

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  45. October 3, 2012 11:44 pm

    “I read his essay ‘Michael Jackson: The Wounded Messenger’ in the months after Michael’s death and I was amazed at the depth of his understanding and insights.” – Aldebaranredstar

    Many of us were! The article was like a thunderbolt and a great source of consolation at the time MJ’s fans needed it most. What struck me most about Matt Semino’s article was his deep understanding of Michael, his sincerity at expressing his thoughts and boldness at calling Michael what he really was – a messenger.

    We can imagine how difficult it was to venture such an idea at the time when almost everyone still looked at Michael as a “freak”. And the thoughts Matt Semino expressed were so powerful that even three years later no one has said anything close to match his words.

    Here are some excerpts from his article:

    – The intense emotional pull, messages and raw feelings that reverberate through the lyrics and sometimes disturbing video imagery of songs such as “They Don’t Care About Us,” “Heal the World,” “Earth Song,” and “Man in the Mirror” are gut-wrenching. A deeper analysis of Michael Jackson’s work reveals an individual with a burning concern for improving the lives of the disadvantaged and persecuted around the world. The passion and verve with which Jackson digs his hands into the soil and grasps the trees in his video for “Earth Song,” an operatic piece where he addresses environment and animal welfare, is a reflection of a leader of humanity who cares deeply about the issues he is challenging.

    – How are we now missing this message when it is even more crucial for it to be absorbed into the public mind? Not only do Michael Jackson’s cries of awakening continue to be ignored but his reputation continues to be smeared.

    – Sometimes it takes one person, not just a political or spiritual leader, who stands out symbolically from the rest of society, to make that society reflect on the principles that it follows and the values it embraces…. Michael Jackson was much more than an entertainer. His contributions to the entertainment field are no doubt profound. However, it is his broad cultural impact that truly transcends economic, social, political, racial, religious and generational barriers. Jackson rose from being simply a magical performer into becoming a humanitarian of historic import. He was a modern day messenger, a visionary storyteller who raised the level of consciousness for citizens across national boundaries.

    – Like a piece of classic Greek literature that embodies timeless themes of human striving and suffering, Michael Jackson’s canon and celebrity will come to hold a similar place in the modern day cultural pantheon. Why then was it necessary to shoot the messenger?

    – In many respects, Michael Jackson was a lonely soul who found the greatest comfort isolated behind the gates of his Neverland ranch and in the company of animals, children, carnival rides and opulent possessions. In the last years of his life, Jackson became reclusive to the point that he was unable to function even within celebrity society due to the immensity of his fame and the parasitic attention drawn by even the briefest public appearance.

    – Examining these [MJ’s] interviews, it becomes clear that Michael Jackson is one of the most misunderstood figures in modern day popular culture.

    – The child molestation charges against Jackson represented a modern day witch hunt in its most base form. Unfortunately for Jackson, the hunt was not localized to Salem but played out globally through the aid of modern media technology.

    – As we reflect upon Michael Jackson’s life and now death, it is difficult not to feel sad for the man and view him in a tragic light. With all of his power, wealth and fame, he now lies before us like a bird crushed after being pelted repeatedly by outsized stones. Dejected, Jackson continued to turn inward, fearful of what the world he cared so deeply about changing for the better was throwing at him.

    – His bold eccentricities lied outside of the norm of standard, socially acceptable behavior but were they necessarily illegal or wrong? No. Most of Michael Jackson’s actions were unconventional yet, at the same time, wasn’t the grandeur of his celebrity and global status beyond anything that modern day culture has ever witnessed? His grandeur, his eccentricity, each influenced and exaggerated the other.

    – Throughout history, the work and lives of multiple artists have been ridiculed and scorned by the public during their heyday, only to be placed posthumously into the canon of the Greats. It is without doubt that Michael Jackson will, in due course, garner this same level of critical acclaim as an artist and most importantly, as a humanitarian.

    http://elitestv.com/pub/2009/07/celebrity-scales-michael-jackson-the-wounded-messenger-star-studded-legal-commentary-for-the-celebrity-obsessed

    I think we need a post about people like Matt Semino and what they have to say about Michael. It is high time everyone stopped listening to insane creatures like Dimond or haters from those two haters’ blog. Even the methods haters employ show the degree of their craziness. I think many of them need hospitalization to respective mental institutions. “Our” haters for sure do.

    We’ve had enough of their delirious ramblings. It’s time people started listening to sane (and smart) people like Matt Semino.

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  46. aldebaranredstar permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:33 am

    Thanks, VMJ, for quoting at length from Matt Semino’s thoughts expressed in his interviews and articles. I read his essay ‘Michael Jackson: The Wounded Messenger’ in the months after Michael’s death and I was amazed at the depth of his understanding and insights. The article was written soon after Michael died and Matt Semino was one of the few in the media who spoke out forcefully and eloquently for Michael’s greatness and the injustice done to him. I actually was so touched that I emailed him and we had a brief email exchange.I asked him what got him involved in Michael, what triggered his awareness, and he referred to the time when Michael released a video urging that he be given a chance to prove his innocence and talking about the humiliation of the strip search (in 93). Matt said when he saw that he saw Michael’s sincerity, his honesty. If I can relocate the email I will put it here. I agree Matt has great insights and is a very smart man. He does need to be quoted more, and I love his idea about the fans forming nonprofits. This is something I don’t think the fans have done yet or enough, have they? I asked him if he was going to write a book about Michael, but he said probably not. I love what he said about the media–and he is right that they will not change as long as it is profitable for them to be the way they are, or unless they end up in jail, as Murdock ‘journalists’ might!! Matt Semino is really a great guy on Michael’s and his fans’ side!

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  47. Rodrigo permalink
    October 2, 2012 10:33 pm

    I HATE when people say about Michael
    “No smoke without fire”

    Do they not know where and how the fire was started in the first place? A jealous and vengeful man, who wanted his sons influence and ex wife beaten and broken, simply because he didn’t get what he wanted out of Michael’s relationship with the family?

    Helena. In light out this business with Jimmy Saville over here in the UK, I’d really like this to perhaps be used in a post one day, along with Jerry Sandusky. They’re both very similar.

    I’ve been researching a lot on these cases, and I want people to know just by looking at Saville and Sandusky, you will realise how innocent Michael was.

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  48. October 2, 2012 3:03 pm

    @Kaarin22: This is the article of Matt Semino:
    http://elitestv.com/pub/2009/07/celebrity-scales-michael-jackson-the-wounded-messenger-star-studded-legal-commentary-for-the-celebrity-obsessed
    The sentence you mentioned is not at the end, it is somewhere in the middle of the text. It is a great article of a serious journalist.

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  49. October 2, 2012 2:10 pm

    As to Dr. Dyer I have a rough transcript of his great interview where he describes what Michael was really like.

    Please pay attention to Dr. Dyer’s words that anyone can be slandered in the same way and anyone who can make an accusation like the ones made against Michael. So all those papers from Jordan Chandler which are thrust on the front pages of those fake blogs are totally meaningless. If there is no proof for the words of these liars (and there was no proof as even the photos did not match!) these papers remain the trash they were from the very start of it.

    Here is my attempt to transcribe Dr. Dyer’s interview taken from this earlier post:
    https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/those-who-really-knew-him-say-he-was-innocent/

    ….Deepak Chopra was saying on CNN that Michael was probably the most spiritual man he’d ever met. And I can attest to that as well.

    He called me up one day back in 1991 after I’d written a book on Real Magic and asked me if I would like to come out and bring my family which – you know – is a whole planeload. So all eight of my children were with me and my wife and we spent five days out there at Neverland with him, just talking to him. We went up the mountain out there and just the two of us talked and his question to me was, “Is there such a thing as real magic and what is it and how do I know about it”. And he so was so filled with excitement about this.

    What concerns me particularly when I see a lot of the messages coming to me on the Internet about people making accusations about this man… and that troubles me a great deal because this was the kindest, sweetest, most beautiful human being and I trusted my children with him obviously.

    When he was out there in the Santa Barbara county at Neverland the prosecutor there had a real, real desire to do something, you know, to go after him. I think they have the statistics that they have 76 police cars in that county and they sent 74 of them out to his ranch to go through and look for evidence to support the accusations that had been made by a woman who had made a career out of going after celebrities and trying to make money. In the same county there are many of the priests that had been not only accused but had admitted to sexually molesting boys but they didn’t send any cars out for them.

    And then all of the evidence that they acquired was presented to a jury of not of his peers but of the people who were not even that friendly toward him and they voted 12 to nothing to acquit him of every single charge.

    So I know for absolute certain that this is a man who could never have done anything that would be harmful to anyone. He was very much a child himself. He was as kind and decent and spiritual human being as I ever had the pleasure of spending any time with. I dedicated one of my books to him.

    When you look at his enormous talent and the commitment that he had to ending the world hunger, for example, – he personally was responsible for cutting the number of people starving to death on this planet IN HALF back in the 1980s and the 1990s with “We are the World”. And he took no money for it at all.

    When I spent the time out there at the ranch the whole thing was organized around children who were handicapped in one way – the theatre they had out there, the entire amusement part – all of it was set up so that children who were hospitalized and in beds and sick and on crutches and so on, could come there and experience the joy of what it meant to be a child.

    This was a beautiful, beautiful human being – someone who would go down in history as one of the greatest entertainers EVER, but more than the great entertainer this was a great man who lived a very tortured life, particularly in the last several years of his life. I think being accused of those kinds of things when he and his heart were so pure, I think it took a huge toll, a huge toll….

    And I said to my children last night, “Anybody can make an accusation such as that”. They could have made an accusation with my wife when we split up. I’ve just talked to a friend of mine who is in practice as a physician and he had an affair and his wife got angry. She went out and made accusation about him and their children. None of it was ever true and ultimately it ended in his suicide.

    So these kinds of accusations, these kind of things that people say – be very careful about it and knowing my heart, if you trust me, my time with him and those five days with him back in 1991 solidified for me that this was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent but a heart as big as the sky.

    * Dr. Wayne Dyer, 2009

    Here is another version of the same interview, with Spanish subtitles this time:

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  50. October 2, 2012 1:47 pm

    “The words of people who knew and understood Michael are very much needed. This is an argument against the words of hatred.”

    Yes, Maria. And this is also the word of sanity in the world of those who have gone completely mad. The situation with these fake blogs and people standing behind all this hatred towards Michael and his supporters, which they try to present as “truth”, convinced me that we have to do with totally crazy people in the medical meaning of this word.

    Even their ability to write both pro-Jackson and anti-Jackson stories depending on who they pretend to be – his fans or his “critics” – is proof enough of their totally psychotic nature.

    This is a DIAGNOSIS, guys.

    And believing the stories of these madmen is ALSO a diagnosis.

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  51. Maria permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:34 pm

    The words of people who knew and understood Michael are very much needed. This is an argument against the words of hatred.
    Video: Dr. W. Dyer gives witness to the truth.

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  52. October 2, 2012 11:31 am

    “I just happened to come by a great article about Michael (dated 9.30.2012)”

    Kaarin, I haven’t been able to find that article yet, but I found a page evidently maintained by Matt Semino himself and sooner or later he will include his latest article into the list. Now a link to his page has been put into the blogroll in the “Helpful sources to study” section,so when something new comes up we will know. The page provides a collection of his great articles as well as TV and radio interviews.

    Here are some quotes from Matt Semino’s articles.

    On Michael Jackson and Conrad Murray’s trial:

    “Through a close examination of Jackson’s cultural legacy, it is clear that he always strove to serve a humanitarian purpose through his work. He gave millions of dollars to charity throughout his life. Therefore, it is not a stretch to believe that all he wanted to do was accomplish that objective again but now on the largest scale possible. As his voice reveals, the intentions were grand, yet also singular in their focus. Jackson likely believed that the “This Is It” concert series would help him travel to the furthest possible point on the road of his lifelong humanitarian dream. He trusted Dr. Conrad Murray, as his personal physician, to help him arrive at his destination safely. As the evidence presented so far in the trial indicates, Murray failed miserably in that task.

    As the morbid image of a lifeless Jackson laying on a hospital gurney and labeled “Homicide,” spread virally around the world, it became burned into the public’s consciousness and will never be forgotten. Understandably sickening to many, the dreary image also serves as an extremely powerful symbol and stark reminder that in Michael Jackson’s valiant attempt to save the lives of others, this wounded messenger unnecessarily lost his own bright future. Finally, the voices of justice are saying that this should have never happened to such a man.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-semino/conrad-murray_b_991591.html

    Another excerpt is from his absolutely smashing interview with Laureen Trainor of The Jam Cafe MJ Tribute Portrait Online Magazine.

    Here is Matt Semino’s assessment of the 2005 trial and the circumstances around it:

    Lauren: As an attorney, what was your general impression of the prosecution and trial in 2005?

    Matt: I believe the case People vs. Jackson and the 2005 trial involving Michael, represented the culmination of anti-Michael Jackson sentiment that had been building for years within certain segments of American society. Michael Jackson was tainted by the Chandler family’s accusations against him from the early 1990s, and as his music and persona evolved over the decade, the once adoring public and media generally began to turn their back on him. Sorely misunderstood, a variety of actors in law enforcement, the legal system and the media seemed convinced that Michael Jackson’s actions, lifestyle and public image painted the picture of a guilty man. They wanted him to be put away for good and would not stop until that happened. The 2005 trial was a modern day witch hunt.

    Fortunately, the prosecution’s case against Jackson revealed that the accusations lacked any substance or element of truth. Sloppy investigative work, extremely weak and conflicting evidence, disastrous witness testimony as well the accusing family’s history of attempting to extort celebrities, were all factors that contributed to the prosecution’s inability to convince a jury of Michael’s guilt. Yet, despite being found not guilty on all charges, Michael Jackson was still unfairly vilified by segments of the media in their hungry quest for ratings. This type of abysmal treatment by elements of the public and media, in my opinion, only led to further destruction of his image, career and soul.

    About Michael’s life and death:

    Lauren: What are your thoughts or impressions of Michael?

    Matt: Michael Jackson was larger than life. He is arguably among one of the most famous individuals in modern popular culture. The intensity and magnitude of his celebrity, talent, wealth and notoriety, allowed him to touch and connect people across the world through a common creative language. Yet at the same time, the amalgamation of these characteristics built a complex man who, although loved and adored by millions, was an enigma to many. Sadly, the combination of his extreme power with his extreme vulnerability made Michael Jackson an easy target for the unscrupulous. While Michael Jackson’s enormous and positive impact on culture and humanity will be felt by future generations, his life story is ultimately a modern-day Greek tragedy. It was a tragedy though that did not have to happen.

    About the media:

    Lauren: Why do you think the media focuses so fiercely on negative aspects in regard to Michael, and virtually ignore his humanitarian and artistic legacy?

    Matt: Ratings. Easy sound bites. Profit. As long as media can continue to draw viewers and advertisers through a certain type of reporting style or story angle, whether it is about Michael Jackson or any other public figure, it will continue to do so. Many people could not understand Michael Jackson’s appearance, lifestyle, interpersonal relationships, child-rearing choices and other aspects of his personal actions. It became popular to ridicule Jackson, viewing him as an eccentric who stood outside of society’s norms and was to be feared. Whether or not these perceptions were justified, the media found it easier and more profitable to play to and reinforce sensationalized accounts of Jackson, as opposed to digging deeper into his humanitarian or artistic contributions to society.

    After years of this fiercely derogatory reporting, and as Michael Jackson’s legal and financial problems continued to mount, it became ingrained in the public consciousness that any news about Michael Jackson was going to be negative news. In my opinion, no matter what Michael Jackson did, this tidal wave of destructive media attention became too overwhelming and it ultimately broke his spirit.

    Here is great advice from Matt Semino on how to make the press get interested in reporting the truth about Jackson instead of telling lies about him. If people demand ethical journalistic practices and refuse to buy lies, the media will no longer find story manipulation profitable. Exactly!

    Lauren: What are your thoughts about old, familiar media faces that maligned Michael repeatedly in the past and now re-appear to do it again?

    Matt: This does not surprise me at all. Ironically, many of the media figures who maligned Michael Jackson in the past have achieved even greater financial success and professional notoriety through their biased and sensational reporting. If these media personalities continue to garner ratings and are rewarded by networks for doing so, there is no incentive for them to change their approach to “The Michael Jackson Story” no matter what the set of facts they have before them. At the end of the day, it is the responsibility of the viewing public to demand truthful reporting, ethical professional practices and accountability from journalists, media personalities and news organizations. As the media is primarily a profit making business, there will be no commercial advantage to story manipulation and the distortion of facts if the public refuses to buy it.

    And over here Matt Semino speaks exactly about the issue of “Who is crazy here?” which has recently become so topical for us. His assessment of the MJ fan community is very encouraging, and his advice valuable and worth listening to:

    Lauren: Michael’s fans are repeatedly marginalized in the media as ‘crazy’. What has been your experience with those you have had contact with?

    Matt: Michael Jackson fans across the world are passionate people. Rightly so, millions of them are emotionally connected to what he symbolized as an artist, a humanitarian and a man who faced his own personal struggles throughout life. People from all races, religions and nationalities feel that they can relate to Jackson on many different levels and for a diverse range of reasons. Ultimately, he connected humanity.

    Because Michael Jackson truly inspired and gave tremendous hope to so many people around the world, fans are angry that he was taken so soon by circumstances that could have easily been prevented. They are justified in their emotions. Michael’s fans have felt distressed for a number of years that a human being who they viewed was so talented, compassionate, kind and generous could be bullied in such a highly destructive manner by certain elements of society. Michael’s fans see injustice, and because they are highly vocal and visible they have been incorrectly labeled as ‘crazy.’

    Since I began to write about Michael Jackson following his death, I have been contacted directly by legions of his fans from every corner of the earth. From Russia to Egypt, India to England and everywhere in between, the Michael Jackson fans that I have communicated with are some of the most sensitive, caring, thoughtful and eloquent people I have ever spoken with. Each has shared personal stories with me about how Michael Jackson touched their lives and how he gave them hope amidst their own personal challenges. They have also expressed to me highly intelligent thoughts and analysis on why they believe Michael’s rich life was cut short, and have offered their interpretations of the facts in the Dr. Conrad Murray case helping to shape my analysis along the way.

    One of the most impressive aspects of the Michael Jackson fan base has been their ability to peacefully organize through the establishment of a powerful online community and tangible advocacy groups, to further Michael Jackson’s cultural legacy and humanitarian efforts. They should continue these activities also through the establishment of nonprofit entities that will advance the causes Michael Jackson supported.
    Ultimately, Michael’s fans have the collective power to right what they view as wrongs in society whether it concerns Michael Jackson or other issues, by employing their strong voice and unified vision. Michael Jackson fans should never be discouraged by disparaging labels!

    http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/lasting-impressions/article/interview-with-matt-semino-attorney-and-legal-analyst

    I think that Matt Semino’s articles deserve to be quoted much more than they are now. He provides just the right balance to the rabid stories run in the media and in haters’ blogs like the ones we see here, and shows what sane and intelligent American people have to say on Michael Jackson.

    Sorry for my earlier harsh words about some Americans. They concerned rabid haters of MJ and those in the general public who are ready to swallow these people’s crazy lies even without thinking. The America of Matt Semino is the country I really respect, same as that of Thomas Mesereau, Aphrodite Jones, William Wagener and many more people like them.

    It seems that now people should be distinguished not by their nationality but by the choice they make in life – whether it is for the truth or against it. All those mentioned above selected the Truth.

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  53. October 2, 2012 7:26 am

    This means your doing something right.

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  54. October 2, 2012 4:00 am

    On DD`s shifting mind, now liking MJ`s music despite him being a p-fle. Did you DD ever notice that his songs had lyrics? And are you now also familiar with with his words? And have you paid attention to matters of poverty,childneglegt and environment he among other issues has spoken of?

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  55. October 2, 2012 3:28 am

    VMJ,Helena, in a comment you wondered how Tom O´Carrolls is still in contact with scientists. Well I don´t know if he is or just claims to be. Sometimes you must be in direct contact with human insanity to really understand it.
    I just happened to come by a great article about Michael (dated 9.30.2012)The last sentence was: WHY THEN WAS IT NECESSARY TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER? And they are shooting him again and again though he is dead. It was written by Matt Semino.
    He has written several over the past 2-3 years, but this one especially touched me. I tried in vain to get it up again to let others find it, but it turned out to be impossible. The date I gave is necessary to find the one I mean. It is good or maybe even necessary to read it to fully grasp the meaning of that last sentence.

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  56. Tina permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:36 am

    I am feeling so sad for you and all the other good souls with their blogs and wordpress for vindicating and clearing Michaels name. And now this. I am so absolutely upset about those losers and liars and evil psychs. This is unbelievable and it is so perfidious and poisoning. They trying to ruin all the positive efforts and all your truths be spreaded around. Is there nothing you can do about it? There are kind of “internet police” where those hater and fake sites can be reported. There must be something you can do against them. I hope so.
    People around the world changed their mind about MJ – it cannot be that Michael is beeing slandered again… that all is turning around again.

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  57. October 2, 2012 2:26 am

    I’ve updated the post again and added the following to it:

    One more day brings us another proof of complete craziness going around poor Michael Jackson.

    This time we learn that it isn’t only the Vindicating Michael blog that is being slandered and imitated, but another blog telling the truth about Michael Jackson – michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com – that is also being ridiculed in its mock double hosted by blogspot.com.

    This vindication blog is run by Sanemjfan and Lynette. Those who created the mockery site seeth with so much hatred for these authors that they cannot think of anything else but introduce Sanemjfan in the following way:

    fake picture of sanemjfan
    This is how Michael’s haters imagine Sanemjfan. His “personal profile” says that “he” has been blogging since July 2012. So this is the date which marks the beginning of this hellish blog!

    And when I looked at the blog itself, its style and its list of contents I couldn’t help exclaiming – did America go completely crazy?
    vindication blog2 mocked

    So these people speak about some “Comic dogs for Wacko Jacko”, “MJ’s life for the Devil”, “MJ’s music being the work of the Devil” and Thomas Mesereau’s “unethical behavior” and still think themselves sane?

    And they even dare speak of Mesereau’s unethical behavior? Where are the ethics of these people if they allow themselves all this nastiness?

    With each new day we discover more and more about Michael Jackson’s innocence, his pure soul and God-abiding heart and this is how his fellow countrymen react to it?

    And it is these people who have the audacity to call Michael Jackson’s supporters “rabid”?

    Who is really rabid here?

    After all we see these people doing won’t it be really rabid to believe that they are capable of telling at least a fraction of the truth about Jackson?

    To tell you frankly, if Americans continue to believe all the BS about Jackson told by such personalities my initial reaction was to say all I think about these Americans.

    And it was only the knowledge that there are millions of other – honest and upright – people in the US who feel a lot of guilt and shame for what was and is still being done to Michael Jackson that stopped me from saying everything I think about some of their compatriots. And about the way they treat the man who was one of their best. And who was actually the pride of the nation.

    But out of respect for this other, sane America I will limit myself to this comment only:

    What we see Michael’s haters doing is simply CRAZY.

    This is a DIAGNOSIS, guys.

    How much more NORMAL Michael Jackson was in comparison with his haters!

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  58. Rodrigo permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:23 am

    And another thing.

    Everything that’s coming out about Saville rings true. Everybody is revealing their roles in the coverup, people still high up. Victims are coming forward. The police have done everything, and its payed off, victims are getting their stories told.

    They threw EVERYTHING at Michael, shook him upside to see what fell out his pockets. And what happened? Nothing, because they got it wrong. But they’ll never admit to that.

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  59. Rodrigo permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:12 am

    I’ve learned that none of this about Michael. It’s against the fans.

    Look at Jimmy Saville. He was one the UK’s best loved and and most respected celebs. He raised millions for charity. Now it turns out he was abusing young girls all along.

    Do I see Michael’s haters, who hate child abuse apparently, say a bad word about him? Nope. Saville defended Gary Glitter, do I see them go on about that? No. He had pals who covered up his acts, do I see the same reaction they give Michael? No.

    The country adored Jimmy. But we’ve accepted that he was a child abuser, sadly. Most of the UK doesn’t believe that with Michael, most of the world even.

    And that’s what the guys at Topix hate. They hate the fact that people out there don’t beleive, like them, that Michael was guilty. So they pester the hell out everyone. It’s a pure hatred they have towards people. It tells a lot about their state of mind, so why should we listen to anything they say?

    But why didn’t they catch onto Jimmy being a p-le, if their the experts at sniffing out these things? Why don’t they attack the people that are having doubts about it still?

    Confusing bunch aren’t they?

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  60. October 1, 2012 11:24 pm

    “And to add more fun to this they are actually imitating David and I on our blog as well.. Who knew. See this is what happens when I run off and get married and my attention is elsewhere for a couple of months. “

    Lynande, my congratulations to you (on the marriage of course).

    However the rest of it is not funny. It is again that mjfacts site! There is a direct link to it! And it provides the full transcripts of the 2005 trial! By now I know that this is totally illegal as the transcripts are the intellectual property of court reporters and are meant for individual use only. They cannot be shown to the general public.

    Now it becomes clear that it is these people who complained to the court reporters of Santa Barbara and this resulted in first the DearArvizo blog to disappear and then the Floacist source of transcripts to go down too.

    By erasing those sources haters want readers to come to their blogs only. If the transcripts are found nowhere else, this alone will increase their traffic and become their biggest attraction.

    However everyone should be in equal condition and what is not allowed for the DearArvizo site should not be allowed for these gangsters.

    Can someone please complain to the Superior court of the Santa Barbara county that these beasts are breaking the rules set up by the court? (after you download all the transcripts you are interested in of course)

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  61. October 1, 2012 11:07 pm

    “Once on Topix, there was more thumbs up in 2 minutes flat than their were actual people on the thread, how does that happen?”

    On Topix anything is possible. They are complete “miracle makers” – like those who count votes at the elections in my country.

    I once made a post at Topix demanding that they apologize to me and my co-authors for slandering us (they naturally didn’t). Instead they reported me to their CEO and what is even more important, they shadow banned me. This means that I see my post in the list of posts and think that everyone sees it too, while in reality it is nowhere to be seen/em>. For the author it creates the impression that the post has been published, only no one replies to it – while in reality it is simply not there.

    These are the tricks they play there. Democracy Topix style.

    The beauty of the situation is that this could be done only by moderators of the blog – ordinary readers could not do it (by pressing “abuse” button, for example) for the simple reason that my post was not seen, was not even in the list and consequently could not be criticized.

    Since the text did not contain any profanity or anything at all which could be reason enough to ban it, the only conclusion we can make is that the Topix moderators who shadow banned me are Michael’s haters and banned me solely because I come from this blog.

    This situation is described in the post I’ve mentioned.

    And knowing that the moderators at Topix are rabid Michael’s haters someone still wants to have discussions with them? Or take them seriously?

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  62. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 10:39 pm

    Once on Topix, there was more thumbs up in 2 minutes flat than their were actual people on the thread, how does that happen?

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  63. October 1, 2012 10:33 pm

    Lynande51, I didn’t get the point about Cynthia, Desiree, Len, etc. Do you take all their talk on Topix seriously? I do not. After seeing these people changing their location from China to Russia to North Korea three times a day I see that there is absolutely nothing for me to discuss either with them or even about them. Things like that speak for themselves. There is not a word of truth said by the people there. Very rarely there is some truth told by occasional visitors, while the rest of it is a simple game played by the moderators themselves.

    At the time I did my study of Topix (https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/the-topix-forum-freedom-of-speech-and-michael-jackson/) I remember finding information that Topix started with making an official inviation to people to run it by volunteers from the general public. They are not on the staff as the Topix staff is actually very small, but they are moderators all right.

    Theoretically Michael’s supporters could also get into their ranks but if there were any all of them were evidently thrown out leaving there only haters. Haters are more precious as they ignite controversy and keep the forum going. Most probably these administrators write there as ordinary readers and the uglier their information is the better it is for Topix, as it “sustains the discussion”, so to say. People complain, people are resentful, but it only adds to Topix’s polularity and this is what the whole game is all about.

    A researcher named Virginia Hoge even wrote several articles about it. She says that it all starts with Chris Tolles, the Topix CEO. Virginia quotes him:

    – “In any case, we have no legal responsibility to do anything for you and “impersonation” in this way has little standing in the court system… Anonymous opinion which causes intense emotional reaction is part of our DNA as a country. …I can sleep pretty soundly.”
    – “Trying to run an online publication like an old guard newspaper company is a losing proposition”.

    Virginia describes the methods used by Topix:

    “Grey boxing is a method of Topix commenting where one does not have to register. The use of changing proxies, is used all the time to hide the location of the poster. They have been lamented because they cause the most damage on Topix. It is the easiest way also, for a poster to pretend to have multiple identities. Many have asked Topix, to require registration for all posters. They are often called grey box cowards on Topix, for good reason.”

    “I have been on Topix for over two years and stalked the entire time by one of these Topix superior weapons, a troll who uses many profiles and names. This same troll recently posted this, which proves the extent to which I have been monitored on Topix. The troll is mixing up inaccuracies, with a revealing look into the extent this troll – and Topix – is watching me there, and the fact that my private messages on Topix are being read by her.

    Mr Math: “28,700 plus comments on ONE single account over a period of 699 days. That rounds out to 41 comments per day….Add in the gray boxes – proxy socks – counterfeit socks – plain old socks – time spent getting posts removed – creating threads – changing in and out of accounts – having posters banned (who’ve gotten the better of you)- always having the last word on threads – picking out just the perfect youtube – private messages – phone calls etc. thats what we in the office refer to as one who takes Topix WAY to seriously kinda pathetic and cowardly ”

    This comment also was recently posted: “We have you under surveillance. We are watching everything you say and do.” The monitoring of me on and off Topix shows the extent to which they are. The fact that their trolls also batters me while monitoring me, proves that Topix likes to lash out and hard, against those whom they dislike.

    “They allow the comments to stay on as long as they can, even after numerous complaints are filed to remove them by users who are attacked by others.
    AND they pay the trolls who are doing the attacking.
    The also use Topix employees – like Selecia Jones – she organizes bands of trolls and direct them to threads where they proceed to stick their fangs into commentators, to try and get more “hits”.
    AND they plaster advertising into the comment boxes of some of the worse bully-trolls.
    AND the censor critics of the trolling problem, after they have first attempted to persecute them off threads with their trolls, if the trolls do not work, they censor critics by shadow-banning them.
    AND a method of persecution of their critics is to allow the trolls to build Topix attack forums, naming their critic by name, on which the trolls will load the forum down with harsh, foul, profane slurs against their victim.”

    Virginia Hoge’s blog: http://open.salon.com/blog/virginia888/2011/10/23/topix_has_me_wired_lol

    Much more of it is in that post of mine mentioned above. Since the time they slandered you, David and me I’ve ignored Topix and don’t really pay attention to their delirious ramblings. And don’t believe a single person who writes there (except the occasional visitors who sometimes tell the truth). All the rest of them are the scum of the earth – and this D. and many others included.

    I use Topix only for one purpose – they sometimes provide links to valuable sources from where I took almost all the materials for the analysis in this blog. As to talking to these people or paying serious attention to them this would be doing them too much honor.

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  64. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 10:15 pm

    Bastards

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  65. lynande51 permalink
    October 1, 2012 10:08 pm

    And to add more fun to this they are actually imitating David and I on our blog as well. Who knew. See this is what happens when I run off and get married and my attention is elsewhere for a couple of months.
    http://michaeljacksonvindication2.blogspot.com/

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  66. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 9:53 pm

    People will take just 1 look at that and leave as quick as they were tricked into it, so HAHAHAHA

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  67. lynande51 permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:44 pm

    They have changed their banner picture and it is not what a vindicator of Michael would have as their banner.

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  68. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 6:41 pm

    That’s good info, Lynette.

    So Len (Cynthia) is from the UK? Last time I checked her locations on Topix bounced around the US constantly. But I guess that’s because she has an AOL account?
    I knew her and Desiree were in league. She always prattled on about being in the “music business” know, but never disclosed her information. She would often go on about this quote supposedly said by Freddie Mercury.
    “I wish I’d only slept with virgins, like Michael Jackson”

    I checked that and it was supposed have come from some music book, which existed only on one blog site, which is gone now…surprise, surprise.

    I think our attention has been in the wrong place.

    And now knowing she’s in the UK, I’ll bet it was her with the phrases and the blog changing to the co.uk.

    She’s so hellbent along with Desiree, so it’s every possibility.

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  69. lynande51 permalink
    October 1, 2012 6:06 pm

    Here is an interesting conversation between Desiree and someone else on on Topix with the screen name Len is Disgusted. Helena, unfortunately there is a Desiree Hill. She does reach out to people on the internet. Yes it really is a 20 something black girl. I know it for a fact as does Sabine. She does do ruthless and unthinkable things to MJ fans that is also a fact.
    According to this Len is someone named Cynthia. Desiree has never had a problem using people’s real names on Topix. Cynthia is from the UK if you read her comments you can figure that out.
    I don’t think that organized pedophiles are behind what she is doing. I think Desiree is a sick girl and nothing will stop her. The fact that her starter blog is more or less abandoned is because she is now doing this. She is doing this because she wanted to show those pictures. This is just her and some of her minions working the web for their own sick little game. The answer to this is to leave the links and then click on the one that show those photos and report them for having that link to nude photos of children. That is how you fight this thing.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/who/michael-jackson/TDCDBNF2DA3ADHGOE/p3

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  70. October 1, 2012 5:59 pm

    “‘You can appreciate his talent as long as you know who he really was…a pde’ Her words are eerily similar to what I’ve read in these comments.”

    Layne, if it is Dimond who said it, first of all it contradicts her earlier words – previously she stated that she “never called him a p-le ” (remember the TV program where she replaced Joseph Vogel at the last moment and where she said it?). And secondly, these words register a definite shift in the haters’ attitude towards Michael. They see that they cannot cope with people’s admiration for him and now decided to “allow” the public to like Michael, but only on condition that they think him to be a p-le.

    However it either doesn’t dawn on Dimond (and people like her) or the consequences of this shift simply don’t bother them, but this new stance of hers objectively contributes to breaking psychological barriers to pedophilia which she herself was supposedly so much against. If people learn to love someone’s work even despite thinking this person to be a monster it will be the first and crucial step to the psychological acceptance of these beasts.

    This new stance is the same as saying “So what if she drowned her child? I still like her, she is so charming a woman” or “He raped his victim to a bleeding death but he plays the violin so well that I still admire listening to his records” or “This writer likes playing sexual games with small children but the thoughts he shares in his novels are so deep that I love him for this alone”.

    Even if you manage to overcome your revulsion for these beasts, won’t your natural instinct tell you that you may simply be contaminated by these admirable “deep thoughts” if their author is so terribly depraved? Won’t you be simply afraid to fall under the spell of his ideas and of the destruction work he will do in your mind? And are you sure you want even to know what this person thinks?

    Or will you be able to admire a great love song if the other half of your mind constantly suggests the images of the depraved love scenes this person may be involved in? And remind you that the love song could be inspired by love and sex with a…..? Oh my God!!!

    I keep my fingers crossed but if you finally cease to be revolted by these mages it means that your inner barrier to these crimes has dropped and you are now ready to morally accept it. This would be a total end of you as a human being and the beginning of your new life as an animal – driven by animal instincts and desires and not strained by any moral barriers which are actually the only thing that makes human beings different from the animal world.

    No, my dear DD, thinking of someone to be a p-le and still admiring his music are incompatible things. And if you allow such a thing even in theory it means that you are either ready to accept it yourself or you simply don’t believe your own words about another person’s guilt.

    And since I don’t want to think of Diane Dimond as a pedophilia-oriented person, I prefer to choose the other option – I think that she simply pretends she believes what she is saying about MJ and keeps trashing him because this is simply her job.

    The fact that she could not resist buying Michael’s hat at an auction and put it on her head speaks in favor of the second option. I cannot imagine touching any personal belongings of a person you feel real repulsion for and supposedly hate with all the fibers of your heart.

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  71. October 1, 2012 5:58 pm

    That was an interesting thought of getting the analysis of the Gardener interview for Feldman by Katz .Katz ,after all those interviews on the 390 or so preschoolers of the McMartin school had been debunked..well that may have made Katz a bit more thougtful and pofessional. If that piece of writing shown really was part of an interview.There are many gaps and questions around that.
    As to DD ´s staement:”Had it been anybody else”. Well there are many answers to that. Was there not a friend Corey of Michael who had some stories to tell?
    There are questions re the “suicide” pic. and disagreements, may those rest for now. What interests me are the writings around the picture of alleged Michael´s private parts, and also within the talk bubbles on the suicide pic. It would have been the easiest thing at the time to check on Jordans handwriting ,for ex. from schoolwork.
    As many have remarked, it is not totally a bad thing, all those haters, pedofile sites. I hope all cybermaterial on Michael gets saved for future investigators who may have better methods than we have now. All this massive amount of writing is indeed a unique phenomenon and worthy of examining.

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  72. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 5:38 pm

    “Rodrigo, this is how I feel too. It seems that God is taking us further via Michael. I personally never thought that a fight against these people is where all this writing in support of Michael Jackson would take me, but nevertheless it is happening. Now I feel like this is the whole task of my life. And from the strength of this feeling it seems that this is something Michael himself is asking us to do.”

    That’s a pretty amazing way of seeing it, Helena, and you’re right.

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  73. lynande51 permalink
    October 1, 2012 5:04 pm

    They don’t have an original thought in their heads that’s for sure. It all comes from information twisted by Diane DImond and the likes during the trial.The fact is her main MJ source was a proven slanderer and suspected pedophile himself and she proudly stated it in the lawsuit against her.

    They try a lot of different tactics to get people to believe their garbage. They use the line ” what if this was someone else” and then continue to propogate their lies by twisting the facts in the cases. They say what if a kid you “cared” about told you he was molested by the funny guy down the street wearing a clown suit that invited the kids to sleep over? ( Michael did not invited kids to sleep over, the kids invited themselves). What if you confronted that guy and he said ” I’m just a big 45 year old kid myself”?( Michael Jackson Never Said That).

    They twist the facts of the case to suit their agendas. When you know how they skew their question to make Michal sound guilty it is easy to refute them. I think we should just go to all those sites and correct their errors for them. I bet you anything though that they have the comments disabled.

    Neither Jordan or Gavin made any of their accusations until after their parents wanted money. Both of them had civil attorneys ready to sue.
    Bill Dickerman was seen by Janet Arvizo on Feb, 21st, 2003 brought to the Laugh Factory by one of the co -conspirators, Vinnie Amen. Their story was that she wanted to find out about suing Bashir without being in on MJ’s case. She had signed the document where she was going to be a part of that case, it was used as evidence in the trial. Then when the police raided Schaffel’s house and found a copy of it she said she never signed it. It was signed by her on Feb.8th,2003 and witnessed by non other than Mark Geragos.

    Then once they leave Bill Dickerman starts firing off letters and emails by the boatload to Mark Geragos demanding her belongings and threatening to take legal action if they don’t get them back??? When that didn’t work DIckerman refered them to Larry Feldman??? Then still no accusations until after they see Stan Katz? Then according to her lie she did not know what the accusations were until after the police told her? Really! Why would she even go to see any of these other people unless they were going to make those accusations? She had a lawyer to get back her “things” and they were trying to return them to her. Nothing about her or her brats was on the up and up.

    The same Psychologist that “analysed” a Psychiatrist interview for Feldman in 1993? No one sees that that is unethical at best because the analysis should have come from the one that did the interview. That shows that the outcome of that interview was not in favor of the Chanders because otherwise they would have used Gardner’s analysis for gods sake. It was after all why he was sent there.

    Then comes the Chandler accusation. Evan is clearly heard on tape saying that he was going to destroy Michael. That tape was on July 7th, 1993, TWO DAYS before he even had Jordan. According to their own timeline and every other piece of documentation there is on the case he never disclosed anything until he was put to sleep while having his tooth pulled. That was one week after Evan had him and the day he was supposed to go back to June. Nothing was said until after that and the demand for money must have started before that. How do we know this ? Because Dave Schwartz asks Evan no less than three times if this was about sex (moslestation) and Evan skirted the question every time it was asked.

    Evan must have made a demand before that tape and it must have been about accusing Michael of molestation because:
    1. Anthony Pellicano had already been hired. He was not hired prior to the allegations he was hired because of them.
    2. There is a tape of Jordan denying that Michael did anything too, it was done the same night as the phone call was taped.
    3. The phone call was taped in the first place tells us there was a threat otherwise there would not have been a reason to tape him.
    4. He starts meeting with Barry Rothman in early June? Yes, that is their version of the story. Evan says it was because he became ” concerned” when he saw Michael “spooning” Jordan in his bed.
    5. They freely admit that they drugged Michael that night and he started acting weird. The drug they say they gave him, Toradol, would not have produced those results. That happened to be the one weekend that Michael stayed in their house. And Evan admits that he put him to bed. IF he was so concerned about Michael and Jordan being in the same room why did he put him there in the first place? I’ll tell you why… so he could accuse him of something and get money that’s why!
    6. He even says he already has “the meanest son of a bitch I could find” on the tape with Dave so he had already brought Rothman in, they just hadn’t signed the formal retainer agreement.Then he says he has people in certain places ready to “go when I say go”.

    The last lie they like to tell people is that Michael molested all these other boys and their parents were bought off. What they seem to forget is that all of these “other boys” (Jonathan Spence and Jimmy Safechuck were prepared to go too, the haters just don’t know that) went to court to defend Michael and said he never did anything.

    The list of things that Michael supposedly bought for these families would have been multiplied tenfold if they had said he did and sued along with the Chandler’s or the Arvizo’s. What did these kids and their parents get from MJ? Joy Robson got a car loan, Brett and his family got plane fare. Jonathan Spence and Jimmy Safechuck got plane fare so where is the big payout that they are talking about? Seems to me that they would have gotten alot `more if they would have said he did it.

    Like I said they don’t have an original thought in their head. They got them from someone and doing this is just a new way to spew their hatred.

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  74. October 1, 2012 3:33 pm

    Not too long ago, a person we are quite familiar with as one who has accused MJ since 93 and who worked with DS and who continues to spew venom at every opportunity…that person had this to say (paraphrase) ‘You can appreciate his talent as long as you know who he really was…a pde’ Her words are eerily similar to what I’ve read in these comments.
    What was stunning about her last outburst was the use of a beautiful photo of MJ from the 80s. That spoke volumns about the attempt to encompass his entire life in an activity we know to be false.

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  75. October 1, 2012 12:48 pm

    “It is hard to understand why this effort to smear him has been so active both during his life and after his death.”

    Kaarin, exactly. All of us feel that there is something unnatural in this overwhelming desire to deny the innocent truth about Michael and bring him down even after his death. Something is amiss here.

    Even “Abortion papers” song which is as straightforward as it can only be is finally getting a totally unnatural reaction from the media. I am talking of a long article in the Guardian which says a thousand vague words about the song instead of saying directly that they are very much surprised to see Michael to be a God-abiding man. And if he is so sincere in his love for God he simply cannot be a child molester.

    There are many people who pretend to be living by God’s word, but few who really do, however in case they take it as seriously as Michael does they simply cannot break the word they give to the Almighty and this is the best proof of their innocence.

    But instead of a simple admission of this simple fact the media finds it necessary to write a thesis about the song to puff as much smoke around it as it is only possible. This article sounds like a serious attempt to undermine the effect of the song:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/michael-jackson-abortion-papers-controversial?commentpage=last#end-of-comments

    The best reaction to this article is the one from one of its readers:

    Pendragon57:
    “Is Ms St Asaph writing a thesis for her masters in psycho-analysis? This is just a song dearie – not an autobiography by its creator – lighten up for God’s sake!”

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  76. October 1, 2012 11:47 am

    “I swear to God, people like that, people like O’Carroll, I’m going to do everything I can to destroy them. Crimes against Michael is one thing, but innocent children? I swear to God, I’ll see them hang.”

    Rodrigo, this is how I feel too. It seems that God is taking us further via Michael. I personally never thought that a fight against these people is where all this writing in support of Michael Jackson would take me, but nevertheless it is happening. Now I feel like this is the whole task of my life.

    And from the strength of this feeling it seems that this is something Michael himself is asking us to do.

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  77. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:07 am

    That site from before
    Telling us to love Michael’s music, but accept he was a p-le?

    How f******* sick are those people?

    There was a little scumbag on Youtube going around shouting the same thing the other week. I told it straight, haven’t seen it on since.

    I swear to God, people like that, people like O’Carroll, I’m going to do everything I can to destroy them. Crimes against Michael is one thing, but innocent children? I swear to God, I’ll see them hang.

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  78. October 1, 2012 5:14 am

    Ofcourse those who supported Tom O´Carroll´s book are pedofiles.He is a passionate, obsessed pedofile who yearns for recognition for his books, articles and speeches at conferences. I only don´t know what he wants most- fame and recognition or to convert the world population into fellow pedofiles. This also keeps him busy with something he loves to do and propagate. So far his employment record is poor.
    While Michael was alive he was persecuted by various talkshow hosts, sc journalists, you know who. Their motive may have been money, ratings, fame and recognition too.
    What is uncertain is whether the harm all this caused Michael also was fueled by other interested parties, maybe further monetary or other rewards to deplete him, grind him down, impowerish him and finally cause his death – with hundreds of $ in debt., to separate him from his wealth. It is hard to understand why this effort to smear him has been so active both during his life and after his death.

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  79. October 1, 2012 3:13 am

    “When asked why he is active on Michael Jackson videos he said he gets paid to spend his time on YouTube (Which i think he is lying)”

    Oh, Truth Prevail, probably he is not. Stonedgrooved is indeed someone from Topix. My impression is that all of them get paid for spreading hate about MJ or otherwise I don’t even know why they are doing it. Of course the other opportunity – that they are working to promote some ideology (like Tom O’Carroll) – is also possible. But these seem to be the only options.

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  80. October 1, 2012 2:57 am

    “Peace, Sanemjfan.. It may surprise you to know that these hateful writings are really quite beneficial to us. What these fake blogs do is allow us to show how easy it was to lie on an innocent man. In concert with all the work you have already done, this is simply more data to prove your case. How splendid it would be if you could get the identity of these impostors”.

    MJJJusitice, you confused me with Sanemjfan, but it is okay.

    As regards the people who stand behind those blogs: I did a small study of them and now think that these are indeed two different people – one British and the other American. However it does not mean that they are not connected with each other by a common cause (they are).

    Details will be later.

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  81. October 1, 2012 2:39 am

    “it has obviously made an impact or they wouldn’t be using copying you.. Much love”

    MJJJustice, thank you, but I am not angry about myself or even this blog (it is a sort of a compliment to me) but I am enraged about the amount of lies these people tell about Michael and the dirty methods they use. Their ultimate goal is not me or this blog – their ultimate aim is to compromise the studies made here and harm Michael this way.

    This I cannot afford.

    However the paradox is that each of their new strikes allows us to make one more step towards asserting the truth. They themselves provide us with the necessary tools for it.

    In this particular case the lies they tell about me and the blog BETRAY THE LIES THEY TELL ABOUT MICHAEL.

    I repeat what I have already said here – people should understand that it is impossible to be a complete villain in one case and a complete saint in another. You are either this OR that.

    You cannot lure someone to your blog by nasty and fraudulent methods – by using someone else’s identity and promising one thing and giving another – and then expect people to take what you are writing there for the whole truth.

    No, the story you tell them will be either a small fraction of the truth with a huge mountain of information hidden from the public eye or it will be a complete lie from beginning to end.

    This is the lesson this story should teach us and the public. I hope the general public learns of the methods these people use and this will tell them all they need to know about Michael’s detractors and the stories they tell about him.

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  82. Truth Prevail permalink
    October 1, 2012 2:26 am

    Hi there is someone else you should add to the mix there is a certain someone who has at least been trolling Michael Jackson videos since 2009 on YouTube under the name “Stonedgrooved” this sick individual also uses multiple accounts is present 24/7 on Michael Jackson related videos and is still currently trolling Michael Jackson videos on YouTube. He is also from Topix he claims he is from Santa Barbara and gives the impression he is an adult at least in his 40’s however i have caught him lying about himself on multiple videos copy and pastes his own BS on multiple Michael Jackson videos. Many MJ fans have proved him wrong but he still continues his BS. When asked why he is active on Michael Jackson videos he said he gets paid to spend his time on YouTube (Which i think he is lying)

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  83. October 1, 2012 2:10 am

    “Arguing with them and hating back gives them what they want; the attention they want.”

    Elizabeth, this is not the point. We shouldn’t give attention to them as personalities, but we should fight their ideas and expose what they do. These people are doing great damage to Michael and are striving to reverse everything we’ve done for his vindication. This is why they want to compromise Michael’s advocates and are resorting to all these dirty tricks.

    However it is high time for the general public to understand that the dirty methods these haters use are their own worst recommendation. It is simply impossible for someone to twist, lie and falsify (in order to get people to their blogs) and then – all of a sudden – start speaking the truth to those who come there.

    NO. The dirty methods they use towards Michael’s vindicators are the exact replica of what they are doing to the truth about Michael. They twist, lie and falsify it too.

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  84. October 1, 2012 1:52 am

    “it would still be helpful to know more exact details of his present activity.”

    Kaarin, as regards his present activity Tom O’Carroll constantly writes on Amazon and gives his “informative” opinion about each book about Jackson (you can find all the links to his comments in his biography) and secondly, the same biography says that he is still in contact with scientists and publishes his responses to their findings as if he were a big authority.

    This is incongruous to me – how can the views of a ped-le be appreciated by scientists?

    Excerpt from his biography:

    2011 “Love is confoundedly complicated! Review of Tiger, Tiger: A Memoir, by Margaux Fragoso.”

    O’Carroll brought this review in draft form to the attention of leading academics on a specialist online forum in December 2011, together with his views on a journal article by feminist philosopher Claudia Card. The forum, with access by invitation only, comprises nearly 400 scholars, mainly specialist academic researchers and clinicians in sex-related fields. A day of so later one of those academics, Michael Seto, author of the most authoritative recent book on paedophilia (Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children: Theory, Assessment, and Intervention, published in 2007 by the American Psychological Association) posted to express his appreciation of O’Carroll’s “informative and thoughtful posts” over a sustained period. This could be seen as significant given that Seto is a leading world expert in, effectively, combating child sexual abuse. Unsurprisingly, Seto added that he and O’Carroll “may not agree on any number of points, but …” The review is to be submitted for publication in Culture and Sexuality.

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  85. October 1, 2012 1:40 am

    “many of these haters who for years have been bashing Michael as a pedophile and his fans as “pedophile supporters” are now trying to sing the tune that, “Look, we never had anything against the guy or his lifestyle. It’s the denial of his fans that we have an issue with.” So suddenly you have blogs-under the guise of presenting “reasonable,unbiased” information, trying to sell fans and the undecided on the idea that it’s perfectly okay to be an MJ fan, as long as we can accept him for who he was.”

    Raven, exactly. The turning point was Tom O’Carroll’s book. It was meant to portray Michael in a “positive” light, but not the way MJ’s advocates see him – as a completely innocent person – but as a non-abusive ped-le whose relationship with children had a “beneficial” effect on them. No abuse, no nothing – just consensual “love”. Actually the whole idea of these monsters is that ped-lia is “beneficial” for the children.

    O’Carroll’s book was marking a new stage in their activities – now Michael was no longer supposed to be presented as “a monster” but rather a father figure for the boys, who “loved them” (with a sexual tinge to it) but whose behavior was misunderstood by the society and who should have been accepted despite “what he did”.

    The option that he was innocent and there was no sexual component in those relations AT ALL is not even considered by these monsters.

    They themselves are unable to understand it as they see children as sexual objects only, while Michael was praying to their innocence, and it was exactly their purity which enabled him to survive in all the dirt that surrounded him for so long. Children were nothing less but the embodiment of God for him.

    However ped-les are trying to fit Michael into their pattern – hence a conformist, not so blatant approach to all those accusations. They sound like, “So what if he did this and that? It is the society which is to blame as it doesn’t accept these people, not him”.

    The society is indeed to blame but not for its total denial of ped-lia (which is absolutely correct!), but for throwing Michael into the class where he did not belong. However I have seen sites which sing a different tune – that it’s perfectly okay to be a MJ fan, as long as we can accept him for “who he was”. If I remember it right it was a mjfiles site. I think it was a predecessor to Mjfacts site and is probably run by the same kind of people.

    In my opinion these people are a much bigger danger to Michael. They are even worse than those of his detractors who are simply misinformed but adhere to the high moral standards Michael did (Christians for example). At the moment these people simply do not know what a pure soul Michael was and once they do find it out, they will change their opinion of him. We have seen this immediate transformation already when they learned of Michael’s anti-abortion song.

    No, Michael’s real enemies are these very “conformists” who work not only against Michael but against everything he believed in.

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  86. Rodrigo permalink
    October 1, 2012 1:16 am

    Excellent work, Helena. It certainly explains a lot. I should have known no sane person would have endorsed that evil trash.

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  87. October 1, 2012 12:23 am

    “And a secret society of academic child abusers? How do we not know that the one’s who supported his book aren’t pedophiles themselves?”

    Rodrigo, there is a strong suspicion that they are. I even have a special category called “Meet the academic supporters of pedophilia”: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/fight-pedophilia/meet-some-academic-supporters-of-pedophilia/

    “Academic Assault, parts 1 and 2” are about those 5 professors who supported the book. Some of these names also resurfaced in the post about Victor and his suspected connection with Nambla. I called them the same “gang of professors” we learned of before.

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  88. Rodrigo permalink
    September 30, 2012 10:56 pm

    Thanks, Kaarin 🙂

    Raven.

    That’s spot on. D. is a young woman who goes out her way to “expose” Michael for what he really is, according to her and her “brilliant” mind…OK. But why? Why does she do all that, when she’s sympathetic towards to pedophiles? It’s baffling. Personally, after seeing her words, I believe her hatred towards to Michael stems from starting out black, and going white. She disregards the vitiligo. She’s angry at Michael for “turning his back” on his black heritage, and shows anger towards his behaviour, which “disgraces” the black community. She calls him freak, simply because of the surgery and vitiligo.

    Topix, what a weird bunch there. I’ve been called a pedo, been accused of being Charles Thomson, been likened to Mesereau, who being white, has a strange love for black people and so defends them for anything??? All because I wouldn’t cave in. They tried weedling around me by getting me to admit Michael sharing his bed with other people’s kids was wrong. Yeah, it was wrong, but it wasn’t criminal. They think they’ve got you from that, and the **** hits the fan. Just **** them. I don’t condone that sort of thing, even if it was Michael, but It had nothing to do with him being guilty, so that’s why I defend him. If an innocent man is being accused of things that aren’t true, then why shouldn’t we defend him, even if he was a little odd?

    But it’s about the FANS, NOT Michael. They’re the equivalent of school bullies IMO. Sad little people with too much time on their hands.

    But this thing that Helena’s uncovered, it’s much worse than that.

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  89. September 30, 2012 10:12 pm

    Come together D. and Pie and your little army of subalterns !
    No offence intended against Beatles John & Paul.

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  90. September 30, 2012 8:17 pm

    Rodrigo, you have cracked the nut! First a coulpe of minor points: Helena you mentioned.ro. Could that be Romania?I am wondering because not too long ago I saw a documentary on adolescent boys from Prague. Their ages were not stated,looked like 16-19 yo olds.They did not show any sexual activity, it was a program of these boys talking among themselves and to an interviewer not shown. They spoke their own language and there were subtitles.The group was called ” The beautiful boys of Prague.” and were some nice looking ordinary boys. They were not gay, they did sell themselves to men for money as result of poverty. Many wanted to stop, some were pushed out because of “being too old”.
    None were 12-13 yo`s. Earlier on there have been several doc.s on “meat trading” from the East Euoropean countries, of young women..It would not surprise me if an even more secret trade of younger children existed or still does.Now of course there is a worlwide market available for children from the poor counties and esp. far east.
    O´Carroll seems to have had a lifelong difficulty holding a job.I am shocked that the London Institute of Psychiatry had anything or any contact with him.Now he has found his nitch: Writing on pedophilia under the guise of thruth telling about MJ. He should be outed from this activity by any means. Someone please find his IP address. Now I guess what he does cannot be illegal, but it would still be helpful to know more exact details of his present activity.-I was wrong in my previous comment; for him this is a labour of love. He may still get support from other pedophiles and their supporters like DD.
    Hindenhead,Surrey and those parts of U.K. are lovely.
    P.S. Those boys from Prague felt very bad about themselves though their activity was “voluntary”

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  91. Raven permalink
    September 30, 2012 8:04 pm

    My experience has been that this particular group operates on two levels in order to play mindgames with MJ fans, advocates, and even just those searching for truth. Throughout the years, MJ fans who continued to support MJ because they have genuinely believed he was innocent of the charges have been ridiculed and branded as pedophile supporters. How dare we support a pedophile, came the rallying cry. Then, the more facts that were revealed and the more it seemed that his fans and advocates were uncovering the truth, the more redoubled came the efforts to portray all fans and advocates of MJ as being “in denial.” From this perspective, pedophilia was viewed as an evil (as well it should be) and MJ fans as either naive fools blind to the “truth” or as knowing enablers choosing to look the other way only because it’s “our idol MJ.” Now they have subtley shifted that tactic to one that is infinitely more sinister; one that is encouraging fans to accept pedophilia as “okay” and to accept that this is who Michael was. In other words, many of these haters who for years have been bashing Michael as a pedophile and his fans as “pedophile supporters” are now trying to sing the tune that, “Look, we never had anything against the guy or his lifestyle. It’s the denial of his fans that we have an issue with.” So suddenly you have blogs-under the guise of presenting “reasonable,unbiased” information, trying to sell fans and the undecided on the idea that it’s perfectly okay to be an MJ fan, as long as we can accept him for who he was.

    But but wait…weren’t you the same ones telling us for years that WE were the evil ones? Now all of a sudden it’s supposed to be “okay” as long as we are willing to embrace pedophilia as perfectly natural? See how crazy that sounds? But it’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the tactics haters use.

    The poison in this tactic, of course, is that it’s intended to discourage fans and neutral thinkers from continuing their own search for truth. If they can get all fans to give up their own research; if they can convince everyone coming aboard the MJ bandwagon to simply accept MJ as a poster boy for pedophilia “but hey, you can still love his music because the music was cool” then they have won. According to their logic, the fans will either give up in disgust or embrace MJ as a pedophile, and advocates like us will be out of business. That must be a very nice fantasy for them, one that no doubt gives them many wet dreams.

    These people will stop at nothing, and they will try many tactics and many subtle mind games. The most recent they have been playing is to lay a kind of guilt trip on fans-that we somehow put all this pressure on MJ by not allowing him to be what he was or who he was, and that we can never be “true fans” as long as we remain in denial.

    But anyone with intelligence can see that they are doing the exact same thing. They are presenting a sick, skewered and biased version of who THEY believe Michael was, and forcing THEIR version of who/what he was onto him-and along with that, trying to force people to accept their version as the only truth possible. And by twisting and manipulating enough facts, they can certainly make a case that SEEMS plausible to the unsuspecting

    To make an analogy, the same thing was done to the poet Walt Whitman. For over a century, it has been the generally held belief that Whitman was gay. But in more recent years, many revisionists have begun to question this long held belief. Why? Well, one simple answer. Because aside from some rather homoerotic lines in his poetry, there is simply NO evidence that supports that Whitman was a gay man-and on the contrary, we know there were some female lovers, which at the very least makes the argument that he was bisexual. But with the rise of the Beat poets and the countercultural movement of the late 40’s and 1950’s-most of which was spearheaded by gay poets like Allen Ginsberg (who later became a NAMBLA member and supporter, btw) many of these poets embraced Whitman as a poster boy. They needed a hero; a role model; and they needed a poet who fit the bill. So Walt Whitman, who of course was dead and could not speak in his own behalf, became that poster boy.

    The issue, of course, is not a moral question of whether being gay is “right” or “wrong.” Rather, it’s the idea of projecting onto an individual something that he/she may or may not have been. It is a misrepresentation, a distorting of facts, and the disservice this does is that generations grow up accepting a version of “truth” about this individual that, in reality, may never have been a truth at all.

    This is the same thing that these people would like to see happen with Michael Jackson, only in this case the version of “truth” they are trying to sell is much more sinister and poisonous.

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  92. Rodrigo permalink
    September 30, 2012 6:26 pm

    That O’Carroll is a pure monster. There’s no words I can use to describe how evil that man is. I just want to see him burn in hell.
    And a secret society of academic child abusers? How do we not know that the one’s who supported his book aren’t pedophiles themselves?
    We know they all use Michael as their poster boy, so of course they’ll support O’Carroll.
    When I was on Topix last year, they showed me somebody who would post, who used one of Michael’s images, and he was one.

    I know the world can be pretty f***** up at times, but this? a total nightmare.

    And I’m convinced it’s O’Carroll. The style of the writing, the phrases, the fact he’s capable of this and has a motive? It’s all too telling.
    I’ll keep digging to see what else I can find.

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  93. September 30, 2012 3:33 pm

    Another variation of the same fake blog is found on something I have never heard of – a certain blogspot.ro (I didn’t even know that “ro” existed).

    Will there ever be an end to this totally illegal haters’ activity?

    fake blog, big lie

    A FAKE BLOG telling A BIG LIE ABOUT JACKSON!

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  94. September 30, 2012 12:10 pm

    “I’m Britsih too, that’s how I was able to easily spot that phrase. I’m from the North, and “bang out of order” is not something we really say. It’s more common down South, where O’Carroll’s from.”

    Rodrigo, oh, then it explains why even Americans were not able to notice that important detail! I cannot thank you enough! It is incredible that the “accent” of this author even betrays his southern locality in Britain – where O’Carroll is actually from! This is an even more precious find for us!

    And O’Carroll’s biography from ‘scholar’ William A. Percy you gave a link to (http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tom_O'Carroll_Biography) is also very enlightening. Of course it is written by O’Carroll himself (as the preface says). After reading at least part of it I must say that this person’s mania for excessive writing will become his own ruin. He himself provides so many invaluable details that it requires a post of its own.

    In the meantime let me point out only that O’Carroll’s is a journalist who worked as a sub-editor of a newspaper for 7 years. He also possesses a feature described by the Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger as “an obvious flare for publicity”. This is what we also notice about this strange D. person and others from the Topix group for example.

    Another point worthy of attention is that after O’Carroll was “shocked” to find his libelous book about MJ withdrawn from publication in 2010 due to the reaction of MJ’s fans, he later “recovered from it” by setting up his own publishing agency to promote the book. Having a big desire like that to spread his ped-lia views and slander Michael it is hard to imagine the he would limit himself to those devices only and will not use the totally free and much more available Internet resources. Surely he will.

    In this connection it is interesting to note that the MJfacts domain name was registered exactly after the 2010 book fiasco – on January 11, 2011. I found it out quite accidentally from one site registering domains.

    Of course a similar site promoting Ray Chandler’s materials existed before, and it probably had to be reregistered due to another of their fiascos (when they impersonated the journalist Charles Thomson if I remember it right), but the time frame when the site was functioning or not functioning is still very interesting.

    When we first came across it in 2009, it had not been updated for a very long time and it resumed its work only sometime after that.

    Incidentally this fully coincides with the term of O’Carroll’s imprisonment, as we know that he was released from jail on the eve of publishing his book. He was jailed in 2006 for two and a half years, which makes his release possible around the second half of 2008 – first half of 2009, depending on the beginning of jail time.

    [In fact now I’ve found out that his jail time began in December 2006, so adding two years and a half to that date would make …June 2009]

    The article below gives details of why he was imprisoned. Besides the horrendous fact that O’Carroll had to do with the photos and videos of boys (as young as six) raped and tortured, another point is worth paying attention to is that Tom O’Carroll speaks about an “international secret society” of “academic” child abusers.

    In this connection let me draw everyone’s attention to the fact that the present autobiography of O’Carroll comes from the site of William A. Percy, a historian, who praised O’Carroll’s book about MJ when it was initially released and was one of those 5 professors who were very enthusiastic about it.

    Professor William Percy was also the one who lamented that pedophiles wanted everything and immediately while they should work for their cause by gradually reducing the age of consent (instead of demanding authorization of sex with the 6 years olds). A quote from William Percy’s revelations is provided in this post: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/victor-gutierrez-nambla-and-the-same-gang-of-professors-who-recommended-carl-toms-book/

    And here is information about Tom O’Carroll and his crimes:

    Two jailed for child porn library
    BBC MMX, 2006

    A former vicar and a paedophile rights campaigner have been jailed after a huge child porn library was uncovered at the former vicar’s then Surrey home.

    Nearly 50,000 images from magazines, videos and slides, were found in a secret vault in the country house.
    Former minister Michael Studdert, 67, was jailed for four years after admitting making indecent images.

    Thomas O’Carroll, 61, of Warwickshire, admitted distributing child porn images and was given two and a half years.
    “ These courts will do whatever lies in their legal power to ensure that children are safe from sexual abuse or harm ”

    Studdert admitted 20 sample counts of making indecent images of youngsters between January 2001 and the beginning of this year. He also admitted one charge of distributing them and one of possession.

    O’Carroll, of Leam Street, Leamington Spa, who had helped to run the library from his then home in Shildon, Co Durham, admitted two counts of distributing child porn images between January 1995 and 2005.

    The library collection, which took 50 years to put together, was discovered after undercover police infiltrated a group known as the International Paedophile Child Emancipation Group and its subsidiary, Gentlemen with an Interesting Name.

    Both groups championed the legalisation of sex between adults and children.

    According to police O’Carroll saw the groups as a base for an “international secret society” of “academic” child abusers.

    The court heard the vault, built in a house on a 17-acre country estate at Hindhead, contained one of the largest child porn collections of its kind. Children, mainly boys and some as young as six, had been filmed and photographed being raped and tortured.

    At Middlesex Crown Court Judge Roger Chapple told the pair he would do whatever is necessary to make sure children are safe from sexual abuse.
    “The law doesn’t require or allow me to sentence people for who they are or for their views, however repugnant I may find them to be, or simply for their sexual inclination or predilection, however distasteful I find that.

    “These courts will do whatever lies in their legal power to ensure that children are safe from sexual abuse or harm,” he said.

    Speaking outside the court, case officer Det Ch Ins Neil Thompson of the Met’s paedophile unit said he was a little disappointed the pair did not receive indeterminate terms.

    “I do understand the judge’s reasons behind it, although I do believe both men are a danger to children.
    “However, having said that, I think they are more a danger to youngsters abroad rather than here. Both men have travelled abroad extensively over the years, particular to Eastern Europe, and any contact offending would have been done overseas,” he said.

    He described both men as “life-long paedophiles” who made no secret of their sexual orientation and that paedophiles around the world put O’Carroll on a pedestal.

    O’Carroll worked as a teacher in Coventry in the 1970s and founded the now defunct Paedophile Information Exchange.
    Both men have previous convictions for importing pictures of naked children.

    Published: 2006/12/20 13:26:26 GMT
    © BBC MMX http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/coventry_warwickshire/6196811.stm

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  95. September 30, 2012 7:58 am

    It is surprising that anybody would put so much time and energy into hating someone who has done nothing wrong agaist them. Murray had his PR-firm, but this is something else.
    In a capitalist society if you want something done for you, sooner or later someone will offer you the services needed for pay ofcourse. Why for something like this? I have a hunch,but it seems too far out for now.I´ll wait til the next trial comes up.To produce so much text and pretty good English, no typos-seems like a professional writer as you said.
    But to begin by pleading to your intelligence as a first step is a cheap ploy.
    Vindicating Michael allows for expression of feelings when they are heartfelt and genuine.
    And issues,trials and such have been reported correctly and rationally.They are now into repeating them,long as they are`, and.nasty as they are they avoid emotios. V.G. being a big exception.
    I believe that for him it was a long drawn out pleasure to write MJWML and for some others to read it..There are so many real sexual crimes against children. MJ was not one of them, but using that for a cover he was robbed of his very life starting with the Jordan Chandler case.–
    Interesting that Jason, Blanca, Wade Robinson´s and Jordie ´C.`s. time somewhat overlapped. Ms. Robson certainly did not like June Chandler.
    There could be some something paradoxcal in this and it has been hinted at. These people have a thwarted love for Mj they even deny to themselves. Here I mean denial in a psychoanalytic sense. It happens sometimes between family members. Just speculation of course. I recall the first interview Oprah did with Michael. She looked as if she wanted to crawl into his lap.

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  96. September 30, 2012 6:02 am

    Oh good grief. Sorry. It’s good that we have the awareness and yet this shows us that it’s even more important that those who admire MJ stay strong & get along in light of his love. AND it’s important that we continue speak of love. We must persist in standing up to such people by continually speaking of his truth let alone his extraordinary contributions to The Arts &and humanity.
    Granted, these obstacles are tiresome but we cannot afford react in ways that defeat our purpose in up lifting his legacy.
    Arguing with them and hating back gives them what they want; the attention they want. This also allows them to steal our valuable energy which can be more productive by carrying love.
    ” Make love your weapon to overcome any evil.” MJ

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  97. Rodrigo permalink
    September 30, 2012 5:59 am

    Glad I could help, Helena.

    Your suspicions seems to be right, I’ve heard of that man before, it could very well be him. Pedophiles rallying together on this? What’s the world coming to?

    And by the way, Helena, I should clarify. I’m Britsih too, that’s how I was able to easily spot that phrase 🙂

    I’m from the North, and “bang out of order” is not something we really say. It’s more common down South, where O’Carroll’s from.

    I’ve been reading his biography, and I’m convinced he’s written this himself
    http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tom_O'Carroll_Biography

    His writing seems that of what we’ve seen on those blogs, obnoxious.

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  98. September 30, 2012 2:56 am

    Guys, I’ve added the following update today to this post:

    More sites with fake vindicatemj are found and more haters’ tricks are being revealed.

    In addition to blogs they also post articles all over the net. These articles seem to be positive about Michael but take readers to the same two main haters’ blogs and again by means of vindicatemj links in their texts. These people exploit the desire of readers to find out the truth about Michael and press on them more lies instead. Haters evidently feel that the tide is turning and desperately want to reverse it by taking advantage of people’s renewed interest in MJ and presenting them with the old lies, only in a fresh and more attractive “research” package.

    Unfortunately this isn’t a merely childish trick as it might seem at first sight. It is aimed at those who are still sitting on the fence and who have finally begun looking for texts speaking of Michael’s innocence. Imagine these people wanting to learn the truth about Michael, but instead finding new shocking “facts” of his “guilt”. This may nip in the bud any desire of these people to ever learn more about Jackson!

    Let us remember that the level of these readers’ knowledge about MJ is incomparable to ours. We are able to see at first sight the fact that haters are lying (as we did our research and studied the subject inside out) – but what will ordinary readers think when they see those lies?

    Readers do not know that these sites were specifically set up for spreading HATE about Jackson. And the manner of presenting the material in those sites is alluring. It flatters the readers by calling them “reasonable” and “intelligent” people in contrast to all those “rabid MJ fans”. Add to it the fact that the new readers have no immunity against lies about MJ and you will see that haters are making a really serious attempt at reversing the trend of full Michael’s vindication.

    By writing all those fake “vindicatemj” articles haters are actually taking advantage of the success of Michael’s vindication because the more people look for the word “vindicate” the more often they will get to those haters’ sites.

    Look at how many times the article posted by a hater on March 4, 2012 uses the word vindicate and you will see that anyone looking for real Michael’s vindication is in the danger of finding himself in these haters’ grip. The search engines will surely put haters in close proximity to Michael’s vindicators for the simple reason that their fake article uses the word “vindication” no less than SIX times in one short paragraph. Two of them are “vindicate”, another two are “vindicatemj”, one more is used as a link to a hater’s site, and one more vindicatemj is used as a tag:

    fake vindicatemj article

    Yes, if readers click on that vindicatemj link they will find themselves on one of the haters’ sites mentioned above.

    Another article with an ambiguous title “Attributes Of Michael Jackson You Simply Never Thought Possible” is named as a “related article”.

    This second article is written by the same fictional author who is called a “professional writer” (which I am absolutely ready to believe). It is the same kind of a “neutral” story about Jackson which takes the reader to the second of those haters’ sites and via “vindicatemj” again. The note about the author also says that “she used to share information about vindicatemj”:

    fake vindicatemj link

    So what conclusions can we make from all this fake “vindication” mess?

    1. First of all these dirty manipulations, meant to hide the truth and force the public to read lies about Michael Jackson, show us the devilish methods haters used (and still use) for forming a distorted public opinion of him. Now we can very well imagine at least one of the numerous ways in which they built and multiplied lies around him.

    2. The intricate scheme involving real and fake anti-Michael blogs shows that these people possess a certain level of professionalism – both in writing and manipulating people’s minds. They themselves say about their author that “she is a professional writer” and I do not see reasons not to believe this information. And as regards manipulations I have to admit that their skill in making them is totally unrivalled.

    3. At least one of these haters is not only a professional writer, but is a very prolific one at that. If you add to all those articles, real and fake anti-Michael blogs the number of Youtube videos made by that person, you’ll understand that this amount of work can be done only as a full-time job. Conversely, if hating Michael is this person’s hobby it can mean that the hater has an incredible amount of free time on his/her hands. Both variants automatically rule out the official hater’s version that he/she is a hard-working “university student”.

    I am no student (for example) and I also have some free time on my hands but doing research and writing in one blog only does not allow me to simply update my second blog, not to mention full impossibility to do the amount of work done by that hater. This person definitely has an unnatural amount of spare time and should be someone like a pensioner (not too old though) to be so active.

    4. The numerous cross-references between all those “sources” show extremely close links between Topix, the creature who calls himself D. and the co-called MJ facts blog. These people are practically inseparable and could produce the impression of just one person doing the job if it were not for the inhuman amount of articles and blogs generated by them. This leaves us with the only one other option that they are a closely-knit lobby working for the promotion of one and the same cause.

    5. The language analysis made by our American*** reader (Rodrigo) suggests that the haters’ most prolific writer is British, judging by some typically British expression this person used. The expression is “bang out of order” which Rodrigo’s sensitive American ear registered as alien to their variation of the language. This effectively places the author in a totally different environment than the USA.

    (***Correction: Rodrigo turned out to be British which is exactly why he noticed this difference. Moreover, he is from the North of Britain where this expression is not in use, while in the South it is, and the South of Britain is a place we are most interested in. The reasons for that will be explained below).

    I am very grateful to Rodrigo for this small detail as I myself am not aware of such subtleties, however realizing it is very important as it actually refutes the assurances of the most prolific author in the group that she/he is a black American girl.

    6. And you know what? I’ve even heard of one person who would qualify as the main haters’ British author. Firstly, it is “he” and is British. Secondly, he is an extremely prolific author who already wrote more than 600 pages about Michael Jackson in a book he did when he stayed in prison (for possessing child pornography). He is also a man with a lot of free time on his hands as he is someone retired, but is still in the age when people can be quite active in doing the job of slandering someone.

    7. Surprisingly, but our author D. happened to praise that British author by saying that his pedophilia-oriented book was a “damned good” one. Fortune had it that another pedophilia sympathizer, a member of a boy-lovers (BL) chat group, shared on their forum the review made by D. and even singled out this name from the rest of those who praised the book. The name of D. sounded like an authority to him and he also drew attention to one of D’s features:

    “Written under the pen-name Carl Toms, Michael Jackson’s Dangerous Liaisons was praised as a “damned good book” recently by Jackson blogger Desiree Hill, who made it clear she knew the author’s real identity and BL background, shrewdly noting, “it takes one to know one”!”

    Wait, so blogger D. hinted that it ”takes one to know one”?

    What the hell is that supposed to mean?

    Did you also think of what I have thought of?

    Of course I am not ready to assert anything as fact yet, but I do increasingly find that the people involved in all this anti-Michael and anti-vindicate campaign are united by one common interest and I can’t help looking in the direction of Tom O’Carroll as their inspiration…

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  99. September 29, 2012 7:35 pm

    In our minds this only proves that they are running scared that Michael Jackson facts are INDEED finally becoming known through your site and others that have been so dedicated to making sure it is known. It’s actually a compliment in an evil sort of way because imitation shows their true feelings.. They are worried that the majority of skeptics or people who just never really thought about it too much will now be reading the MJ truth and he will garner more and more support through the years. Imagine how these MJhaters must feel with the big resurgence of Michael’s Bad25 and Spike Lee’s documentary getting rave revewws Worldwide- not to mention Duke University and other institutions of higher learning conducting courses that will examine the true Michael Jackson and expose all the years of media scornful manipulatons and spiteful caricature of this noble man. Keep doing what your doing Helena.. it has obviously made an impact or they wouldn’t be using copying you.. Much love – Buds

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  100. September 29, 2012 7:41 am

    Peace, Sanemjfan..
    It may surprise you to know that these hateful writings are really quite beneficial to us. What these fake blogs do is allow us to show how easy it was to lie on an innocent man. In concert with all the work you have already done, this is simply more data to prove your case. How splendid it would be if you could get the identity of these impostors. That was not something that could be easily done when Michael began to suffer these tribulations originally. We can trace these people today, and hold them up to the light! They are the ultimate example of how easy it was to plague Michael and to destroy his character. Lets call them on it. That would be an incredible story (front page). By the way, if these people are in the UK, that is great, because that is where this all began (Wacko Jacko).
    Stay on the wall…, Cate

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  101. September 29, 2012 5:55 am

    One more source: Bashirs documentary, much of which expressed HIS THOUGHTS.

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  102. September 29, 2012 5:51 am

    A little bit on OPNIONS. During the Murray trial Chernoff charged Dr. Shafer that he had expressed an opinion (only).Dr, Shafer counter stating that his opinion was based on decades of research, practice,literature etc.Later Dr. Shafer also brought out facts, ie the scientific paper and the amount of propofol found in bladder at autopsy. There was yet another fact that did not come out during the trial:That MJ had died with with a full bladder indicating that he had not been awake for hrs and the od was given while he was unconscious.

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  103. September 29, 2012 5:49 am

    Helena, I totally agree with the conclusion that you, and now Raven, are targeted because of the fine work that you do. It is a backhanded compliment, twisted as it is. I’ve read enough of your writing to recognize your style and hint of language difference. And my thought is that these people, whoever they are, definitely have an agenda regarding MJ…
    and they are angry because truth is being revealed and doesn’t need trickery or f**kery to be told. You, Raven and whoever else is used in their vile antics have my support and admiration.

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  104. September 29, 2012 5:35 am

    UNRELIABLE SOURCES, this was a sub-headline in general Colin Powells U.N. speech.

    I hope I will not be sued for Plagiarism for quoting from it. The speech had absolutetely nothing to do with Michael Jackson, but was the most excellent I have read about the reliability of sources or the lack thereof. The speech in it´s whole concerns military and political issues. So not to make this comment too long I´ll skip some info not relevant to this issue,ie reliabilty of sources.

    To go on: “You can not make good decisions unless you have good information and can separate facts from opinion and speculation. Facts are verified information…My radar always goes on alert when qualifiers are attached to facts. Qualifiers like: My best judgement..I think.. As best as I can tell… Usually reliable resources say..For the most part….We have been told..and the like….Over time I have developed for my intelligence staffs a set of four rules to ensure that we saw the process from the same perspective and to take off their shoulders some of the burden of accountability:
    1, Tell me what you know.
    2, Tell me what you don´t know.
    3, Then tell me what you think.
    4, Always distinguish which is which.
    What you know means you are reasonably sure your facts are corroborated. At best you know where they came from, and you can confirm them with multiple sources.. At times you will not have this level of assurance…, but tell me why you are sure and your level of assurance…What you don´t know is just as important. There is nothing worse than a leader believing he has accurate information when folks know he doesnt know don´t tell him he that he doesn´t. Tell me what you think..Though verified facts are the nuggets of information, unverified information may sometimes prove to be important (general Powell then explains how he makes a decision based on his own judgement and experience in a military situation).
    Always distinguish which is which. I want as many inputs as time and staff tec allow. I weigh them all-corroborated facts, analysis, opinions, hunches, informed instinct..there is no way unless you have carefully placed each of them – facts, opinions, analysis, hunches, instinct-in their proper boxes.

    BTW gen.. Powells speech was not popular, but he was right when he trusted his expierience and his own judgement. It is interesting re “qualifiers” in re to Jordans alleged affidavit. It certainly was not an affidavit. This fact only screams LIE at you. And as for sources – the largest being Victor Guitirrez! MJWML- this book read by all of Sneddon´s staff.

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  105. September 29, 2012 5:18 am

    Helena, I am sorry you are having to deal with this once again. I guess if you look for a positive note it would be the work done here cannot be factually disputed so all there is left is imitate with their own twist. The mediocre are not imitated nor do they intimidate.

    Who would go through this much effort and why? That is not a rhetorical question. It is odd that even today an attempt to put up a Blog mocking Sneddon will almost immediately began experiencing problems with their Server or the owner facing legal troubles.

    I am not accusing Sneddon. I am illustrating inconsistencies of Google, Yahoo, Bing and the like when it comes to protecting their customers. What is happening to you and with this site is just another example of the problems the MJ Community is facing on many fronts.

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  106. Rodrigo permalink
    September 29, 2012 3:52 am

    There are a lot of suspects.

    I’ve seen enough of D. to know she could easily be behind it. [a woman who’s a pedophile supporter, just in case people don’t know]

    But my suspicions lie with the idea that it’s somebody from the UK. British phrases popping up, co.uk? It HAS to be the same person.

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  107. Raven permalink
    September 29, 2012 2:27 am

    It may be good in a way to expose these people but then again, that is probably giving them more attention than they deserve. If that D. b is so hard up that she’s got to use my name and my blog to get hits on her flailing site, then that says everything. More power to the pathetic loser and her cronies. I wouldn’t stress too much over it. The only people who are reading those websites are the ones who have created them-in hopes that they can do exactly what they’re doing right now, which is to bait MJ advocates into a battle. That is the sole purpose for their creation. If it was simply a matter of presenting “hate” information on MJ, then they would be content to simply have their own sites in their own names. I certainly don’t have to use Desiree’s name to get traffic to my site; that she apparently thinks she has to use mine to get traffic to hers says everything.

    They are simply targeting the sites that they somehow think are the biggest threats to their agenda. All it’s managing to do is to show just how desperate they really are. I could easily put up “fake” links to Desiree Speaks that actually take readers to Allforloveblog. But what would be gained by that, other than some amusement and attracting maybe all of two readers who would actually care enough to click on the link and to give a good you know what about anything her or that bunch has to say.

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  108. September 29, 2012 1:58 am

    “I think it’s the same blog, Helena. Because, unfortunately, it’s almost right underneath this one. When I googled it, it still had blogspot.com. However, it has co.uk in the URL instead of the .com.”

    Rodrigo, you cannot imagine how much the fact that these sites are coming immediately after this one tells us.

    Usually only comparable (in popularity) sites can come up together, however when these fake blogs only appeared they immediately went to the top and are still staying there. This is actually why and how I found them the first time – they were the first thing I saw when I was browsing for something.

    I looked up their statistics via one site and found that they are not even represented there “for lack of the data”, not to mention the huge numbers of visitors which they evidently lack. Simple logic tells you that when they only appeared they could not compete with this site which had three quarters of a million by then and should not be standing side by side with it.

    So the fact that they always stay on top means that they either pay to certain agencies for staying on top (I’ve heard that it is possible to artificially take a site to the top if you pay for its promotion) or that they know how to operate this process or can “pull the ropes”.

    In both cases it shows that these are not just “ordinary” haters.

    And this strange story with .com changing into co.uk also makes you wonder. If anyone knows what all this morphing means and how it may be possible at all please explain.

    And as to who stands behind it all you can check up the links which they give to each other. Their comparison brings us to the triumvirate of MJfacts site, Desiree and Topix. It is one gang with the same goals. This was actually proven in the previous post about haters morphing into VMJ.

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  109. Rodrigo permalink
    September 29, 2012 1:56 am

    I believe that blog at the top is the main culprit, the others similar to it have to be copies.

    Other sites have to be the same person, but the writing and nature is different. However, they all lead you to the hater source. So I guarantee it’s the same hater(s) responsible behind it the whole thing.

    But I’m curious why it’s changed from .com to co.uk?

    And do American’s usually say “bang out of order”? Because it says on one of them
    “Michael was a proud and dedicated Muslim, associating his name with Christianity is bang out of order”

    I thought it was more of our British phrase? and could there be a possible clue there? Maybe I’m just paranoid lol

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  110. Rodrigo permalink
    September 29, 2012 12:50 am

    I think it’s the same blog, Helena. Because, unfortunately, it’s almost right underneath this one. When I googled it, it still had blogspot.com. However, it has co.uk in the URL instead of the .com.

    So the servers may have changed. Wherever that blogs point of origin is perhaps?

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  111. September 28, 2012 11:44 pm

    “What do they write about? Are they posting the opposite of you, like lies about MJ ?” – michaelpuresoul

    To find out what they are writing please go to this post: http://wp.me/pIuKO-2yK which was made when I first heard of the impersonators. Since then I haven’t been following them and it was only Rodrigo who alerted me to them again. I also added a couple of words about them to the current post.

    Of course the goal of their tricks is lies about MJ! And now about me too. However the ways to tell lies may be very different.

    – It may be a blatant lie and direct hate which produce the impression that vindicatmj, for example, is a hater of MJ in one place and a supporter of him in another (hence a “liar”).

    – A lie may come in the form of a neutral text which lulls the attention of readers, and it is only the most attentive and most knowledgeable readers who notice that some things are not right – some facts are twisted, there are inaccuracies here and there, the focus is misplaced thus making the overall picture wrong. Not so blatantly wrong as in the first case, but still wrong.

    – Another variation is a totally non-committal text on a fake blog (allegedly from vindicatemj) which provides some innocent links and when people click on them they find themselves on haters’ sites. Fake blogs are often used to redirect readers to these sites to increase their traffic and simultaneously compromise the person who allegedly “sent” them there.

    There is a huge number of possibilities when someone nasty assumes another person’s identity. And even independent of how they use it the very fact that they are doing it shows that these people will stop at nothing.

    The main question is:

    If they manipulate with my name and my blog, do you think they will not manipulate with your minds? And also with the good name of Michael Jackson and facts about him?

    THEY SURE WILL.

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  112. September 28, 2012 11:14 pm

    “I am so sorry Helena, that you have to put up with this hate and all these lies.”

    Solveig, thank you very much for your words of support. Please tell everyone who will be asking about this situation that I have nothing to do with those haters. And I in the meantime will not stop studying everything that comes up about these people. If they are not leaving me alone I am simply obliged to do a deeper research of them to learn why they keep going after Michael (and me).

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  113. michaelpuresoul permalink
    September 28, 2012 11:07 pm

    What do they write about? Are they posting the opposite of you, like lies about MJ ?

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  114. September 28, 2012 11:02 pm

    “Well, I guess that’s the best proof that your blog is a success and actually works towards the goal of vindicating Michael”.

    Morinen, I very much hope that it does.

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  115. September 28, 2012 11:00 pm

    “That vindicatemjj blog changed from .com to co.uk – How does that happen?” – Rodrigo

    As regards this change I didn’t know about it. Can they be two sites with the identical content but in different places? I’ve seen at least a dozen of them!

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  116. September 28, 2012 10:53 pm

    “And people are PAYING for this? Some moron has actually used a single penny to create the anti VMJ? Where Helena and even I are being impersonated?”

    Yes, Rodrigo, you and Kaarin are being impersonated there too. But by now I have found much more blogs impersonating vindicatemj, and have now added them together with some comment. Please reread the post as the situation looks very much different now. They redoubled their efforts when I resumed writing in this blog – in August this year, and are now employing some new tricks.

    I think that they are not childish idiots. They are professional writers having an agenda. And their agenda has to do with pedophilia, I am afraid. They absolutely hate what I write about the pedophilia lobby going after Michael and therefore come at me from every direction. And those who support me (like you, for example) also come under their fire.

    They also need to make their fake blogs more credible, and that is why use the names of real people from this blog.

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  117. September 28, 2012 10:45 pm

    “It is funny that the blog entries coincide with the college school year. They were writing entries prior to finals and then `voila nothing until the semester starts. I don’t think this is a coincidence.” – Lynande51

    If D. is supposed to be a student the correlation should be the opposite – there is no time to write when preparing for the finals, however there is a lot of spare time during the holidays.

    I doubt very much that the author is a student.
    And I doubt that the author is a woman at all.
    I think that this person is simply using the name of a real girl who probably does not even know about this fact.
    Or she does know it and is simply part of the game all of them play.

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  118. Solveig permalink
    September 28, 2012 9:41 pm

    I am so sorry Helena, that you have to put up with this hate and all these lies. These people must be completely disturbed. You are doing such a great work with your blog and I am sure most people know the difference between the fake sites and your site. When somebody wants facts about MJ they refer to your thorough research and neverending work about MJ. I have seen that very often over the last years and I admire you very much for that. Much love to you!

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  119. September 28, 2012 9:22 pm

    Well, I guess that’s the best proof that your blog is a success and actually works towards the goal of vindicating Michael.

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  120. Rodrigo permalink
    September 28, 2012 6:50 pm

    That vindicatemjj blog changed from .com to co.uk – How does that happen?

    And people are PAYING for this? Some moron has actually used a single penny to create the anti VMJ? Where Helena and even I are being impersonated?

    I hope whoever’s behind this see’s this advice and takes it…

    STOP LYING, STOP WASTING YOUR MONEY AND TIME WITH THIS PATHETIC GAME YOU ARE PLAYING AND FAILING AT, AND JUST GET A F***ING LIFE.

    But of course they haters, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them displays the same quality which I’ve said many times before and have always been consistently right about. They’re all CHILDISH idiots. So will they take my advice? I’m pretty confident it’ll be, no.

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  121. lynande51 permalink
    September 28, 2012 6:15 pm

    The last one was started in May. It was so the person that soooooooooo wanted to post the photos from the books could do it and give us payback for refuting her time and time again.Just the same person different day that’s all. I thought you knew about it. It is funny that the blog entries coincide with the college school year. They were writing entries prior to finals and then `voila nothing until the semester starts. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

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  122. September 28, 2012 2:28 pm

    Vindicatemj (Helena) – L.O.V.E., THANK YOU FOR ALL THINGS FOR OUR MICHAEL AND LOVE YOU ALL MJ’S FANS! WE LOVE MICHAEL JACKSON!!!
    Support of Affidavit Concerning Criminal Conduct of Tom Sneddon – 2005 Michael
    Jackson Trial
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/662/053/218/support-of-affidavit-concerning-criminal-conduct-of-tom-sneddon-2005-michael-jackson-trial/
    TO ALL MICHAEL’S FANS
    WE NEED YOU!!!
    JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON
    Yoshimi

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