THE MISSING BED in Wade Robson’s crime story
We are comparing Robson’s complaint, containing fictitious allegations against Michael Jackson, with his own and his mother’s and sister’s testimonies at the 2005 trial. Up till now the process helped us to discover that everything Robson said about his so-called abuse – and I really mean everything – is a fake.
Indeed, the story of a start and continuation of “abuse” allegedly during his first visit to the US and MJ’s Neverland has turned out to be a silly and outrageous lie from its very beginning to end. Pure lies like that seldom occur but Robson’s papers are a rare exception to the rule – the story told by him is a 100% lie.
Due to the abundance of lies the restoration of the truth is a long process and has already taken two posts (see here and here please), and up till now we have only reached point 13 of his “Second Amended Complaint” filed on February 19, 2014.
So this is the point we are starting with now. It says:
“The following Monday, Plaintiff, his mother and sister went to stay with Decedent at his apartment in the Westwood section of Los Angeles in Wilshire Blvd, across the street from a Holiday Inn, while Plaintiff’s father and grandparents continued on their road trip for a few more days. Plaintiff slept with Decedent in his bed at the Westwood apartment; Plaintiff’s mother and sister stayed across the street at the Holiday Inn hotel. The sexual abuse occurred on each of those nights as well. Later that week, the entire family returned to Australia.”
This paragraph is of tremendous importance – it will be instrumental for learning a lot of many other details associated with Michael Jackson and will help us understand a much bigger picture as a whole. Therefore this post will cover not only those few days spent by the Robsons in Los Angeles, but will extend towards their May 1990 visit when Wade Robson and his mother returned to Los Angeles to take part in Michael’s commercial for LA Gear and stayed in the US, according to their testimony, for whole 6 weeks.
But first let’s clarify what is meant by “the following Monday” in the above paragraph.
THE TIMELINE ACCORDING TO THE US CALENDAR
The ‘following Monday” was February 12th, 1990 which was the beginning of the family’s last week in the US.
Quoting Robson’s papers their visit to the US ended sometime ‘later that week’ after ‘a few more days’ spent outside Neverland. After the second weekend at Neverland the family split and Wade’s father and grandparents went to San Francisco while Wade and his mother Joy and sister Chantal went back to Los Angeles, this time with Michael Jackson. After those few days the family reunited and ‘later that week’ they left for Australia.
My 1990 calendar marks the few days the family spent with Michael in LA as Monday–Wednesday Feb.12-14th. Thursday, Feb.15th was most probably the day when the family reunited in Los Angeles (they should have got together and packed their luggage, shouldn’t they?) and Friday, Feb.16th is marked as a probable date for their leave for Australia.
In case they left the country a day later, their time in LA together with Michael can be prolonged by one day, but this is the absolute maximum we can allow for it. And this variant seems to be an unlikely one as the complaint said they left “later in the week” and not at the end of it, so for all we know the departure could be even as early as Thursday, February the 15th.
So since the period they stayed in LA can be stretched longer or shorter, I’ve chosen the average of three days they spent together with Michael as not the longest, but not the shortest option either.
Here is the calendar for January-February 1990 in the USA:
Now that you have a calendar in front of you it would be nice to refresh in your memory the correct timeline of all the events on January-Fabruary 1990 the way they really happened and not fantasized by Robson:
- The time of their arrival in the USA could be the eve of January 26th which was Australia day celebrated in Disneyland. On that day Wade danced with the Johnny Talent Time School and imitated Michael Jackson’s “Smooth Criminal”. The performance was on one day only.
- Then the family tried to contact Michael for more than a week as they didn’t have his or his secretary’s contact numbers.
- When the meeting was finally arranged they met him in his recording studio and were invited to spend a weekend at Neverland. This is February 3rd-4th, 1990 according to Robson’s present complaint.
- Then came a week-long break when the family left Neverland. The break was confirmed by Wade’s mother during her 2005 testimony as well as her deposition and testimony before the grand jury in 1993 (most probably Wade said the same during his own deposition in 1993 before the two D.A. of Los Angeles and his own lawyer).
- On the second weekend of February 10-11th, 1990 the family returned to Neverland and spent two more days there.
- The following Monday (Feb.12th) Wade, his mother Joy and his sister Chantal went back to Los Angeles together with Michael while Wade’s father and grandparents travelled to San Francisco.
- Later in the week they reunited and left for Australia.
- All in all the Robsons stayed in the US for approximately three and a half weeks.
- So out of the maximum of 24 days according to this estimation the time they spent with Jackson was seven days (marked green in the calendar) which is exactly a “week” which the seven-year old Wade remembered at the time.
Four days out of these seven days have already been accounted for. We’ve determined that no abuse could start on those days even in theory. Here is quick recap why not:
a) Robson’s “second night” story is false as the ten-year old Chantal slept in one bed with her younger brother that night and her testimony at the trial was the exact opposite of what Robson is saying now.
b) Robson’s story about a “week-long abuse after the family left him behind” is another crazy lie as he was simply not there at the time. The whole of the family left Neverland for a week and Joy Robson extensively testified to it.
c) And both nights of the second weekend Wade and his sister Chantal spent together in Michael’s room again, so any “continuation of abuse” is highly unlikely again, especially since it never started in the first place and everything Robson said up till now was refuted here as a complete LIE.
This way we get to the last three or so days of their first visit to the US and this post will be an attempt to restore the truth behind the more lies Robson is telling us about that period.
THE TOYS-R-US SHOP
Back in 2005 Tom Sneddon asked similar questions and at some point raised with Joy Robson the subject of a Toys-R-Us shop. We are extremely interested in this subject too.
Tom Sneddon says that the shopping visit took place in the night. This was customary for MJ as it was his only chance to avoid the mob. This makes the visit to the toy shop possible only when the Robson family was staying together with Michael during the night, irrespective of where it was.
These nightly occasions can now be counted on the fingers of one hand only. They included 1) two nights on the first weekend at Neverland, 2) two nights on the second weekend at Neverland and 3) some two or three nights spent with MJ in Los Angeles with Joy Robson and her children.
At the 2005 trial Joy Robson remembered that visit to Toys-R-Us. She didn’t accompany her children there and couldn’t recall when exactly the visit took place, but she was sure that it wasn’t during the first weekend, probably not during the second and all she could barely remember was that the children went there with MJ possibly after the opening hours:
3 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: During the first weekend4 trip to Neverland, did you go to Toys-R-Us?
5 A. No.
6 Q. Was that the second weekend?
7 A. I never went to Toys-R-Us.
8 Q. Did your children go to Toys-R-Us?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Which one of those weekends did they go?
11 A. I don’t recall.
12 Q. But you do recall a trip?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And they went with Mr. Jackson?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And it was after hours, the store was
17 closed?
18 A. I don’t remember.
19 Q. And they were allowed to buy anything — or
20 allowed to get anything they wanted and Mr. Jackson
21 paid for it, correct?
22 A. I think so.
Let us try and narrow down the Toy-R-Us episode to when and where it could indeed happen.
Joy Robson says the visit was not during the first weekend and this is correct. The first weekend was a busy one. On Saturday February 3rd, 1990 Michael accepted an award from Japan via a satellite and therefore spent only part of the day with the Robsons. Due to a huge time difference (Japan is 17 hours ahead of the US) if the ceremony in Japan took place on Sunday evening local time, it would fall on midnight in the US the previous day, and if the ceremony took place in Japan on Sunday morning it would fall on late Saturday afternoon in the US.
The latter variant fits better with the Robsons’ testimony. Joy said that they arrived at Neverland first and even had time to look around the house before Michael’s arrival. He came sometime in the afternoon, so on February 3rd they actually had very little time together before the evening came (when the children asked for a late night stay in Michael’s room).
Sunday, February 4th was another busy night. ABC was airing a tribute to Sammy Davis’s 60th year in show business and Michael and the Robson family surely watched the ceremony on TV. It was a highly publicized event – the proceeds of the show, some $250,000, were going to the United Negro College Fund and Michael sang there a song “You were here” as a tribute to Sammy Davis who was suffering from throat cancer. By then the man could not utter a word and actually died several months after the show aired. The show was filmed in November the previous year but was broadcast on February 4th, 1990, and since it was so emotional and significant an event (which later won the Emmy for Outstanding Musical Special) Michael surely watched it live on TV – most probably together with the Robson family.
So the trip to Toys-R-Us shop certainly did not take place during their first weekend at Neverland.
You can watch Michael’s tribute to Sammy Davis Jr. here:
Now could the visit to Toy-R-Us take place during their second weekend in Neverland?
It looks like it did not either.
To determine it a map could be a great help, and the Google map indeed shows us that the Toy-R-Us shops closest to Neverland are in Santa Maria and Santa Barbara (the places where the two grand juries would later sit in the Chandler case), and both of these towns are rather far away from the ranch – one is more than 40 kms to the north of it and the other is more than 60 kms to the south. Both distances are really too big especially considering that it was a night trip as Tom Sneddon claimed.
Santa Maria is more than 40kms to the north of Neverland and Santa Barbara is more than 60kms to the south of it
But if both weekends are out, so when could the trip take place?
And this is when we recollect that after the second weekend at Neverland Michael and the three Robsons went to Los Angeles. The map shows that Los Angeles has a whole network of Toys-R-Us shops and several of them are not far from the Wilshire boulevard in Westwood where Michael was said to have his condo. Actually a visit to that shop was probably the whole reason why Michael went to LA with the family at all.
Toy-T-Us shops are all over the western part of Los Angeles and are not far from the Wilshire boulevard in Westwood where Michael was said to have his condo. A night visit there after the closing hours was a possible option
Not that the visit to a toy shop matters to us that much. Michael liked shopping for toys and visited Toys-R-Us shops at every opportunity that presented itself, and when some children were around him there was probably no stopping him.
However the correct timing for that visit enables to place it on one of those nights which Wade, Chantal and Michael spent in Los Angeles together and determine that that it was not spent in a bedroom, but in a brightly lit toy shop.
Was it a suitable night for the “abuse”? Hardly so. The journey to the shop and back should have taken at least an hour, not to mention the time spent choosing and trying out various toys there, same as the natural desire of the children to play with their toys when they came back.
And the fact that crowns it all is that on the night visit to a toy shop Chantal was with her brother Wade again and all throughout the night too!
So out of the three nights available for “abuse” one night is already out. What about the remaining two?
THE HOLIDAY INN
Point 13 in Robson’s complaint describes their stay in LA in a very strange way. On the one hand it says that Joy, Wade and Chantal went to “stay with MJ in his apartment in Westwood” and on the other hand “his mother and sister stayed at the Inn across the street”. So which way it was? Did the girls stay in MJ’s apartment or did they stay at the Holiday Inn?
How are we supposed to read this?
“The following Monday, Plaintiff, his mother and sister went to stay with Decedent at his apartment in the Westwood section of Los Angeles in Wilshire Blvd, across the street from a Holiday Inn.<> Plaintiff’s mother and sister stayed across the street at the Holiday Inn hotel.”
Back in 2005 Tom Sneddon was also trying to untangle their memories of who stayed where on their first visit to MJ’s condo and how was it different from their second visit to the US when they came in May 1990 to work on a commercial and stayed at the Holiday Inn for 6 weeks.
Sneddon called their visit to LA in February 1990 a “January visit” but apart from that his timing is okay. Read this piece from his examination of Joy Robson and you will probably notice that it contains a tremendously important fact.
She recalls that during their winter visit to LA with MJ she and her daughter Chantal stayed a couple of nights in MJ’s condo sleeping on the floor there.
23 Q. In May, when you came back, it was for the
24 purpose of your son participating in an L.A. Gear
25 commercial?
26 A. Yes.
13 Q. Now, at the time that you came over here for
14 the L.A. Gear commercial, you were staying in The
15 Holiday Inn?
16 A. Yes. In Westwood.
17 Q. And you were here for approximately six
18 weeks?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And Mr. Jackson had a condo right across the
21 street?
22 A. Yes.
28 Q. And on a couple of those occasions, you 9232
1 actually were in the condo with them and you and
2 your daughter, or you, slept on the floor; do you
3 recall that?
4 A. I think that was the first trip that my
5 daughter and I slept on the floor. It wasn’t during
6 that time.
7 Q. The first trip back in January?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Was there a time that you visited Mr.
10 Jackson in his condo in January?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Now, these visits to The Holiday — these
13 visits to Mr. Jackson when you were staying at The
14 Holiday Inn, many of those calls from Mr. Jackson
15 were very late at night; isn’t that correct?
16 A. Yes, he was working.
17 MR. SNEDDON: Move to strike as
18 nonresponsive, Your Honor.
19 THE COURT: I’ll strike the last — after
20 ‘Yes.’
Now we know that though reservations for the three of them were made at the Holiday Inn in February 1990, the actual time the family spent there was minimal, if any at all.
Joy probably slept there just once, when the children went shopping for toys, but on the two remaining nights she and her daughter Chantal were surely together with Wade and Michael as they slept on the floor in Michael’s condo.
This nails down another of Wade Robson’s lies – his mother and sister were not staying at the Holiday Inn as he alleges in his complaint.
At least they were not sleeping there. Instead they slept together with Wade in Michael’s apartment.
And this means that on all three nights of their stay in Los Angeles Wade was never alone with Michael – on the shopping night he was accompanied by his sister Chantal and on the remaining two nights his mother and sister stayed with them in the same condo and slept on the floor there.
WHY SLEEP ON THE FLOOR?
Each time we hear that someone slept on the floor in Michael’s apartment we wonder why it had to be the floor and not the bed. Indeed, why should a grown-up woman like Joy and her ten-year old daughter Chantal sleep on the floor instead of the bed and for two consecutive nights too?
Your subconscious mind suggests that there was probably one bed there and it was occupied by Michael and Wade (?) Well, admit it that this is what crossed your mind – especially since Wade blatantly claims that he slept in Michael’s bed at his Westwood apartment on Wilshire boulevard:
“Plaintiff slept with Decedent in his bed at the Westwood apartment; Plaintiff’s mother and sister stayed across the street at the Holiday Inn hotel.”
The story about “his mother’s and sister’s stay at the Holiday Inn” has just been proven to be a lie, but how true is Wade’s story about sleeping in MJ’s bed and is there a way to verify it?
And here comes the moment to recall the testimony of Michael’s maid Blanca Francia and one detail of it which has suddenly acquired a tremendous significance for us.
At the 2005 trial Blanca Francia testified that there were no beds in Michael’s condo in Wilshire boulevard – they were simply never there and in none of the rooms:
23 Like —
24 kind of an apartment, suite. Called it “The
25 Hideout.”
26 Q. Where was that; do you know?
27 A. I know it’s on Wilshire. 4981
2 Q. Okay. Was there a bed at that residence?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Never?
5 A. Never.
6 Q. The whole time that you were cleaning there?
7 A. Yeah.
Again and again the incredulous prosecutor and counsel for the defense asked her about a bed in the Wilshire condo and again and again she would repeat the same thing – the hideout apartment in the condominium on Wilshire boulevard didn’t have a single bed in it:
22 Q. Okay. Let me ask you about the hideout. At
23 the hideout, you had mentioned that there wasn’t a
24 bed. What did Mr. Jackson sleep in?
25 A. He sleeps in a sleeping bag.
26 Q. All right. The whole time that he was at
27 the hideout?
28 A. Yeah. There was no bed. 5015
1 Q. I’m sorry?
2 A. There was no bed there.
16 Q. Okay. Now, you testified that in the
17 apartment owned by Mr. Jackson that you referred to
18 as “The Hideout,” there was no furniture, right?
19 A. Uh-huh.
20 Q. Was there any bed in there at all?
21 A. No.
25 Q. Okay. Now, what did he — I asked you what
26 he slept on, and you said a sleeping bag. Describe
27 the sleeping bag for us. What kind of a sleeping
28 bag was it? 5016
1 A. A regular sleeping bag that you sleep on.
2 Q. Sleeping bag for one person? For two
3 people? How big?
4 A. A regular one.
5 Q. Just a regular sleeping bag?
6 A. Yeah.
7 Q. Was that sleeping bag always open, or was it
8 rolled up?
9 A. It was open.
10 Q. Always?
11 A. Well, when I made it, I would try to make it
12 like a bed, you know.
13 Q. Were there any blankets on the sleeping bag
14 or under the sleeping bag?
15 A. Yeah, there were blankets.
16 Q. Which? On the sleeping bag or —
17 A. On the sleeping bag, yes.
18 Q. Was the sleeping bag simply on the floor?
19 A. Yeah.
20 Q. Was there carpet on the floor?
21 A. Yes.
Surprise-surprise, but Blanca Francia makes it absolutely clear that Michael Jackson’s condo in Wilshire boulevard did not have any beds at all. The furniture in Michael’s hideout was extremely scarce – a table, a chair, a TV set and sleeping bags on the floor. She actually says there was no furniture there.
Why so? Most probably because Michael used the flat for practicing dance there, and preferred to leave the whole space of it unoccupied with as little furniture as was only possible.
A standard sleeping bag for one person
So where did all of them sleep then?
Michael and all the rest of them slept in sleeping bags on the floor.
The sleeping bags were a standard size – for one person only. So most probably each of them had his own sleeping bag lying open on the carpet and the whole sleeping arrangement was evidently a highly open one too.
A doubler, non-standard sleeping bag for two persons. Michael Jackson’s condo had standard one-person sleeping bags only
Michael’s detractors will naturally say that it doesn’t matter whether there was or wasn’t a bed there – abuse can take place even without any bed, and this we will agree about.
However Wade Robson is making to us a clear statement that he “slept in one bed with Michael” and this is where his “abuse” occurred on each of the nights “again”.
And now we discover that this statement is totally fictional and has no leg to stand on.
To begin with there was simply no bed there, and secondly we are absolutely unable to spot the moment when that alleged abuse started, not to mention it happening “again”!
Is it possible for a real victim of abuse to forget whether there was a bed or there wasn’t?
Absolutely not.
I’ve already written on numerous occasions that the horrible things that happened to you in your childhood imprint in your memory in their full entirety including the time of day, location, circumstances, details and even smells associated with it.
If you really experienced something like that in your past, it comes back to you as a flashback when you find yourself in exactly the same place with all the details that go with it. You are incapable of changing a single detail of that scene, and you see yourself once again as the little you entering that elevator and there he was, someone in a dark coat whom you didn’t even see up his waist…
And even though thirty years have passed since that incident you will still remember that it happened in the elevator and not in a room or stairs of the same building.
The change is simply impossible because your flashback makes you see and re-experience it in exactly the same circumstances and exactly the same way it was, with not a single change made to it.
So when Wade Robson talks now of some abuse taking place on a “bed” and we find that there was actually none there, it means that he is describing something fictional, because if there was no bed, there was no abuse either.
Still doubtful? Then recall an accident you had when you were riding a bicycle down a country hill and ran into a tree at full speed there. Will you be able to change anything in that picture if someone tells you were actually in a big avenue and you ran into some post there? Though the accident itself is absolutely the same you memory will never agree that the crash taking place on a country road happened in a town street instead. Such a replacement is simply ruled out and this is all there is to it.
The same with Robson. If the crime was alleged to be on the bed there and you discover that there was no bed, this is irrefutable evidence that there was no crime.
Now what remains of Robson’s story as a result of this analysis?
We’ve discovered that:
- the abuse didn’t happen on “the second night” at Neverland,
- it didn’t happen on the second weekend either,
- it didn’t happen during the week in between the two weekends because Robson was simply not there,
- it didn’t happen on the night of shopping for toys
- and it didn’t happen in Michael’s condo either as there was simply no bed there described in his complaint.
And we also discovered that Wade Robson is accompanying his false story with a good deal of fraudulent details meant to make his story more “realistic” and “credible”.
Vindicating Michael 
This is a great article to reread now the movie LN has come out. It is amazing how right you were. Wade restored his memory, and indeed says that they went toy shopping when they went to LA on that first vacation, they did all sleep together every night in The Hideout. Wade simply does not mention any beds nor sleeping bags. He says he and MJ slept in a different room, and every night there was abuse with his mother next door. What a guy. His mother and sister must be very heavy sleepers!
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Susannerb, I’m also in awe at the amount of work done by all4michael blog. Thank you very much!
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I would like to say thank you to our friends of the German all4michael blog who translated Helena’s posts about Wade Robson into German to inform German readers about Robson’s lies in his complaint:
A great job which could inspire others to do the same and translate these contents into more languages. Thank you for passing information to more readers who perhaps don’t know enough English to understand everything!
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From beginning it was so obviously that he is a big liar and these allegations are only for money. I seek from God to help to you and any of people who trying to clear this lie. God bless you. I ask from God to be known Michael’s innocence.
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I read it in D.’s horror story about Safechuck which was supposedly based in Safechuck’s claims.
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I’m reading the latest “additional declaration” by Safechuck and can’t find this info there. Where exactly did you see it? Please specify.
As to the Hideout let Safechuck and Robson explain the whole thing to us. I’m not going to do this work for them. It is already enough for me that my modest efforts to uncover the lies Robson was telling made Safechuck come to his rescue. The dates tell it all.
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Was the condo in Centrury City or in Westwood called The hideout?
Safechuck also claims that MJ slept in bed with Brett at The hideout while he slept in a sofa.
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@Eleen are we sure that that is a real interview with JS and not just fragments of MJfacts’s imagination? shouldn’t JS lawyers advise him against doing interviews with non-trusted groups? he is so ignorant
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@ Eleen
Yeah, I saw it. Got bored past the title and stopped reading. Ordered myself a pizza. Yum yum :p
Why they continue to use things that have been debunked to hell, amuses me, greatly.
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Good to see you back! And you did a nice work VMJ!
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Did anyone see the interview with Jimmy Safechuck on the MJFacts website?
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Please remember the correct timeline – the ABC program was broadcast on February 4th which was the first weekend, and Joy Robson was 100% sure that there was not shopping on the first weekend. The earliest the trip could take place was the second weekend, only I don’t see a reason why they should suddenly go shopping from there.
They came to Neverland for the second time in their life and as soon as they came they decided to leave it to shop for some toys? Weren’t there many more thrilling things to do there besides that? Exploring the territory, riding golf-carts, making a round of the zoo, enjoying themselves in the amusement park, watching movies, having dinner together with Michael and talking to him after that? The whole family was there and surely all of them wanted to have a chat with Michael. But in addition to all that they also decided to visit the nearest toy shop 42kms away from it?
And even if they did, so what? It still won’t change all other crazy details in Robson’s story.
As regards the number of nights spent in LA I would like to ask all those to whom English is a native language – what does the phrase “leave for Australia later in the week” mean to you? To me it means “after Wednesday but earlier than Sunday”. Possibly not on Saturday either.
Even apart from the linguistic side there are other reasons for that. Robson’s father surely was still at work in those days and by that moment they had already been travelling for around four weeks in the US. I am more than sure that he was supposed to come back to work on Monday after those 4 weeks away. But to get to Australia from LA you need 14 hours of flight and due to the time zones you also lose 17 hours more during the flight. See here for example:
This traveller left LA and arrived in Australia only in a day, so if the Robson family left on Friday they would come on Sunday and have only just time enough to unpack and get themselves ready for the following working week.
Add to it the time needed for packing their luggage and souvenirs which they surely did on the day prior to their departure (this will leave Thursday out too), and you will realize that the only time they had with Michael was Monday-Wednesday.
And it isn’t speculation – it is a usual calculation of time all of us make if we plan a trip like that across half the globe. Also add to it that even a short flight requires you to arrive at the airport well in advance (over here the requirement is several hours prior to it), so why should it be different for Robson and his family?
Just imagine yourself in their place and you will realize that “later that week” from both linguistic and practical points of view most probably meant Friday as the day of departure, Thursday as a “packing” day and Wednesday as their last day with Michael.
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You are absolutely right and this is why I refrained from discussing Wade for a long time and asked others not to. For this very reason I will not dwell on the subject too much and will reserve some part of my arguments for another time.
As to the posts already written here, they are refuting the false points that Robson has already put on paper and submitted to the judge, so to be able to refute my arguments he will have to change the very basic elements of his story again, and this – hopefully – will be difficult to do.
By the way I think Robson does not really want the case to go to a trial and is counting on promoting it in the media. And even a drop of poison here and there can still have an effect on the public, so in circumstances like that it would be criminal to keep full silence and not try to neutralize at least some of it.
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@NanNorris, your comment re Sneddon not calling LaT and Ms. J hit me like a bolt of lightning. Sure, why wouldn’t he do so if true LaT and Mrs. J knew things/had checks. LaT’s been selling stories her entire adult life and hasn’t slowed down since 2009. Not sure re Ms. J who seems to believe all tales her offspring present to her.
Thank you Helena for your strength of resolve and tenacity in continued efforts to spread the truth re Michael Jackson. I have come across many “younger” new supporters whose eyes have been opened widely by investigators/bloggers such as yourself. In this marathon, your efforts are achieving wonderful results.
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While this 1995 interview is not under oath the sentiments Joy & Wade express totally support the 2005 testimony .. Interview was reprinted Dec 2012 – The whole Robson fam gushed over Michael for years AND always maintain THEY were in control of Wade’s career, not Michael .. … READ http://onwiththeshow.com.au/the-inside-story-on-life-in-michael-jacksons-shadow-1995/ — (IMPORTANT NOTE – the supposed 7 yrs of abuse- would have included 1995 when this interveiw took place … )
excerpt-
“He is a mature 12-year-old who knows what he wants whether it be an album cover design or an acting role. He is a born performer,” said Joy. “When Wade was just a tiny tot in Brisbane he used to stand on the sidewalks and dance for customers – much to their delight – at Chatswood Hills. He was shy off stage but when performing was quite extrovert,” said Joy. “If he had his way he would sleep on stage.”
“Wade began dancing at age 2 by impersonating Michael Jackson on his `Making of thriller’ video. At age 5 he turned professional.
“While Wade is the on-stage talent, Joy is his mentor, protector and confidante. She handles everything from make-up, wardrobe and music to securing a deal with some of the big names of the American entertainment scene.”
excerpt –
“While Michael was their friend, he never interfered with Wade’s career … only to offer advice, but the ultimate decision was Joy and Wades’.
excerpt –
“To this day, the Robson family maintain Michael is innocent. “Michael would hurt himself before he would hurt a child. He didn’t have a childhood himself, so it is important to him to see others having one,” said Joy. It was Wade’s decision to `go public’ on television and proclaim Michael’s innocence. “It was a tough thing to do – especially for an 11-year-old – but we couldn’t stand by and let people believe Michael had been anything but a friend to us,” said Joy, with Wade nodding his approval as he sat in on our interview.”
“He would never hurt anyone,” said Wade, with a maturity that belied his years. Wade said Michael was an inspiration to him and a guiding force spiritually but his career, including the move into recording, was his and Joy’s decision alone”
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But of course – Now -Wade wants us to believe his whole career was orchestrated by Michael’s whim… and he was totally controlled by MJ – “brainwashed” that the “love had to be kept hidden because no one would undersand” and Best line of all —>”BOTH our careers would be ruined.” This laughable line is what really demonstrates the EGO and narcissistic tendency of Wade Robson – and this hubris is what has ruined his whole case. For him to imagine that he had a career to ruin at age 7 yrs is quite hilarious- but very telling –
Additionally -2011 Infinite Dance interview .. Joy describes their finanacial struggles, that they “couldn’t rely on Michael because he lived in a bubble” and Wade stating at age 10yrs that he wanted more than to be an unappreciated/underpaid dancer..Also- Her being in full control and Wade’s maturity is all consstent with her 2005 testimony and the previous 1995 interview.. Consistency is key …
Excerpt from transcript-
Hosts: Tell us why you came here from Australia– what was your reasoning?
JOY- We were offered an amazing opportunity for my son Wade to work here– He’d worked with MJ in the past a couple of times and Michael offered to sponsor us and move here – at 8 Wade had gone as far a he could in Australia, dance was very limited in Australia in those days and so How do you turn that down?
Hosts: You don’t – I mean that’s Michael Jackson
JOY- It just felt right. As I say- Six suitcases and a dream with two of my children, my eldest son decided not to come he was in college. So I left with Chantall who was 12 and Wade who was just about to turn nine. And I thought it was going to be a wonderful adventure and we’d be superstars within a year …and traveling… everybody does. And 8 yrs later, we’re still trying to pay rent.
Hosts- That’s the common misconception – but working with Michael Jackson —
JOY-We didn’t work with him a lot – Wade did three music videos
Hosts- That’s more than I’ve done w MJ(laughs)
JOY- well they don’t pay a lot, they don’t pay the rent
Hosts: Because of all this experience bringing him out your son is talented is director ….a choreographer – I remember taking class from him when he was 15 years old at Traman and I think he hit on my girlfriend at the time. — Wade might have one that one. …….
JOY- He’s been married now for almost six years – So I realized very early on that if we were gonna make it here it was gonna be up to me. Really couldn’t rely on Michael who lived in a bubble and a different reality to ours. Im the one who had to find agents… He started acting , he didn’t dance a lot – he decided at the age of 10 that he didn’t want to work as a dancer he didn’t like the way they were paid, didn’t like the way they were treated. I remember telling his agent that
Hosts; He was way beyond his years, learned that way earlier than we did.
JOY- Theresa Campbell was his agent at the time and I called her and told her and she said “You know what? I’ve got some 30 yr olds who haven’t worked that out yet” He started teaching at 12 because he couldn’t find a class that challenged him and then he was choreographing at 14 – so he moved very quickly into that and by 16 he was working with Britney.
Hosts: You had to really manage the career
JOY: I did, I did everything, I was the makeup artist, I was manager, chauffeur- I wore a lot of hats
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NOTE: So even in 2011- Joy maintained that SHE “did everything” was the driving force .. and Wade was mature and making his own decisions ..even that he knew at age 10yrs dancing was not going to pay him the monies he was looking for. Perhaps the most telling of her comments is very subtle but screams out right about now.
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Hosts: That’s dedication. Noone of can make it out here without loving parents, mom or dad or both
JOY; Absolutely, You need that support system .. I used to have a website where I used to get a lot of emails from children all over the world saying they wished they had a parent who was as supportive as I have been of Wade – A lot of parents say ‘Get a real job’ It’s a tough business.
Hosts: What is your advice to parents with aspiring daughters or sons moving to LA?
JOY-Stay in school, absolutely. Have a plan B –
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ooooooo …………. “HAVE A PLAN B”
Wade’s claim is his Plan B —
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Latoya was sitting right in the courtroom in 2005..If she actually had any information, Im sure Sneddon would have had her on the stand
He didnt call her to the stand
And he didnt call Mrs Jackson to the stand either, to talk about checks , becasue there were no checks.
Latoya was selling stories along with her husband , for money
IMO Sneddon knew this thing was baloney , he just wanted revenge .
MJ didnt know his place in Sneddons town
As far as the mothers of these two extortionists ..Are we really supposed to believe that these people didnt even ask their children anything regarding these accusations, when all this stuff was played out in front of the entire world since 1993?
Of course they did, and we see Joy Robson front and center along with her son denying all this garbage
According to Weitzman, Safechuck did a deposition, saying MJ never touched him, also
As far as the person who thinks these revelations regarding Wade and Safechuck …accusations should be buried , for fear they use this blog to their supposed advantage …..
We know for a fact that ROL follows these blogs because they have skewered info and posted on their website
ROL has acted as a mouthpiece for these two in the past.
This person sounds disingenuous to me.
And probably working for the opposition.
If this case should ever get to court , you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that people can read up on things like Smoking Gun , court documents , testimony , even the AEG trial has info in it that effectively clears Jackson of the Chandler accusation..Nevermind every person who testified on either side of that case, when asked if they believed these accusations , said they were ridiculous …The truth is already out there.
Wade and Safechuck (or whomever) was just not interested in researching that closely..Perhaps they assumed it would be settled , or the point was just the accusations themselves .
The fact that they would have to change info they have put in a lawsuit says it all
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Reading up on MJLies…I don’t know why, but bare with me.
About James Safechuck. As we know, La Toya accused Michael of splashing out on the Safechucks. I can’t remember what the prices were, but if rumours are true, it was pretty heavy. Now, let’s assume this was, as haters and the media like to interpret it, “hush money”. Then, by all means, that tells us that the Safechucks were fully aware of the abuse James was receiving from Michael, but kept it on the down low, because they were, in hindsight, as haters and the media like to put it, “pimping out their child”.
Ok, so why hasn’t James brought this forward? The cheque that was wrote out to his father by Micahel, that La Toya had claimed to have seen?
Unless he has?
It just seems James and Wade don’t like to bring their “pimp” parents into the fold. Jorden was quick to turn against his mother under Evan’s care, whom was also referred to as a “pimp”, and this coming from her own flesh and blood. Yet, James and Wade don’t like to involve their “pimp” parents. How odd.
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Have to agree with Lynande51 regarding keeping these types of blog post PUBLIC- It is only “HIgh stakes and games” for WR/JS – The more MJAdvocates who research and post out the PROOF that makes Wade Robson story undeniably- a fiction motivated by revenge, envy and greed, the better. Not only are these “dark ones” watching these posts, they are undoubtedly worried that the media is also watching them. We only pray that one journalist will have the gonads to really research and INVESTIGATE the lame and illogical presentation of the WR and JS complaints. Truth doesn’t need to be hidden … only liars resort to keeping things in the dark and speaking halftruths.
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Your work is so detailed and precise… Amazing. Thank you so much. There was never a doubt Michael has always been innocent on these trumped up charges of garbage. However the way you prove his innocence is great you don’t leave anything out there’s no room for doubt for a nonbeliever.
Again thank you.
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I don’t think that Wade Robson thought this far ahead to be honest. Safechuck was even worse. I am pretty sure that they thought that just filing it would be enough to get a settlement and never expected anyone to question it.
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” This is a high stakes and dangerous game that is being played”
How did a lawsuit become dangerous game and who is in danger? Besides it is my understanding that his amended complaint has been filed. No more do overs for Wade because the ROG’s are out there too. If he changes his story now it will make him just like Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo. They had to change their stories when the first one didn’t work too.
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You have done a fantastic job Helena… but… I would like to point out something you might not have thought of. The more that you and other bloggers point out the holes in Wade’s story, the more you are helping Wade.
Let me explain.
Once Wade and his lawyers see these holes you have so clearly and effectively pointed out (and it is certain that they are keeping a very close eye on vindication blogs), you are letting them know what “explanations” they need to think of to refute those points.
This is a high stakes, dangerous game that is being played, and you are unwittingly handing information on a plate to those who seek to further damage Micheal’s legacy.
I suggest you and others delete these posts and ones like it, or at the very least make them private with a login required, until after there is no chance that they may help the dark ones (you know who I mean). I also suggest you forward these points to Howard Weitzman at KWIKA LAW rather than making them public. Better Wade and his lawyers are surprised by these questions when they are in court, rather than being able to prepare for them.
Right now you and other bloggers are helping to win the battle, but unfortunately may be contributing to losing the war.
Regards, a concerned Michael fan.
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Your hard work never fails to impress me Helena and you have once again been busy untangling the web of lies.
Although I do agree with your conclusions overall, I do think we have to be careful not to speculate on what really happened during the Robson’s trip, as speculation would not stand up in a court of law.
For instance, a trip to Toys r Us during the second weekend cannot be totally ruled out, simply because we do not know for sure that Michael stayed at home to watch the ABC programme.
(Helena)…”Sunday, February 4th was another busy night. ABC was airing a tribute to Sammy Davis’s 60th year in show business and Michael and the Robson family surely watched the ceremony on TV”.
As much as we would like to think this would have happened, it may not have, and therefore we cannot absolutely rule that evening out for a visit to Toys R Us, even if it was a long drive. Michael may have taped the programme for later viewing and decided to take off for a ride and late night shop with the Robson children.
Likewise, we do not know how many nights the family slept at the Holiday Inn versus time spent at Michaels LA Condo. The mothers recollection in court is sketchy to say the least, as was her recollection of the finer details of the families trip overall.
What your research does show though is a very short timeline of events and it is apparent that the Robson family initiated contact. They ran with the opportunity to spend time around Michael, probably to further Wades prospects and lets face it who wouldn’t have taken that opportunity? Michael took them at face value and showed generous hospitality, as he did with many other families. But, let’s not forget the armour of bodyguards, staff and fans who were also around Michael at that time, all of whom were witness to his movements.
Apart from knowing Michael would never harm a child, it is ludicrous to think that he would have molested Wade the very first opportunity he was alone with him. As we know with those kind of predators there is always a period of grooming and a gaining of trust done beforehand and the timeline certainly doesn’t allow for this.
One thing is for sure, even when taking out speculation, your overwhelming evidence shows this is just another case of lies for money.
Thanks again Helena for all your hard work.
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Wade Robson is a LIAR!
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Great insight “Helena”. Thanks for the blog. AdLLaw/Cadeflaw is keeping up.
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If you want to prove wade is a liar, just let the man talk. He’s not even a good liar nor is he in any way believable. Much like the arvizos, this guy destroys his own credibility with his own tongue. It truly is sad and pathetic!
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This site and luno jo’s YouTube channel woke me up regarding the MJ accusations. I happen to be a casual MJ fan and I’m probably the youngest poster here. I was very young during the 05 trial and remember MJ being the butt of the joke at school. I also remember those late night “et tonight” shows that aired during the trial making MJ out to be a monster. Obviously for an impressionable child, This convinced me MJ was a pedophile. However! After overhearing an argument over the MJ allegations, I decided to do my own research through both pro and anti MJ sources as well as reading the court documents. I must say that I was absolutely stunned at how much of a witchunt/ conspiracy this all really was. Thank you very much Helena for revealing the truth to someone who was once a victim of the tabloid fraudsters trying to turn the public against MJ for personal gain. Hopefully in the age of information, many other misinformed citizens will wake up to what a travesty this all really was!
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I have nothing against the estate but I think I will pass this article along , to them, just so they realize how many people have invested their time in MJ innocence,Although , they dont anticipate an issue with Robson, they should know the fans care enough to put the truth out
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Well done Helena..
Over and over Sneddon asked Blanca about the furniture and Im so glad he did
great job
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Nice work, Helena.
Chantal and Joy could do absolutely nothing to back the little weasel any further in the face of these overwhelming details. If they tried, they’d be done, just as he will be.
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More PROOF .. Wade Robson’s story doesn’t ADD UP – Read and Share
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Thank you very much. Please do. Robson himself should hear it from everywhere he goes.
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Once again.. fantastic detective work .. …Will share …
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